[12:11] <TheGateKeeper> dennister: well one of the tar statements in that howto is actually incorrect so may be you didn't creat a tar correctly?
[12:11] <TheGateKeeper> create*
[12:11] <LeeJunFan> dme: that's the only way I've done it - I've never used a gui installer for linux. :)
[12:11] <dme> when it displays the partition info, i don't recall that it calls any of them /boot
[12:11] <dme> oh
[12:11] <dennister> ahhhhhhh...perhaps....if directions are wrong, results r wrong...
[12:12] <dennister> not surprising then...what's incorrect abotu the howto?
[12:12] <LeeJunFan> dme: just create a new partition on the first drive as ext3, you can go into the properties by pressing enter while that one is highlighted and change the mount point to /boot
[12:12] <dennister> <----------is always nervous without good backups
[12:13] <dme> LeeJunFan: recommendations?  (it's calling my disks hdc and hdd): /boot should be on hd? and how big? swap should be on hd? and how big?
[12:13] <TheGateKeeper> dennister: hmmm looks like it has been edited, the first tar statement didn't do what you wanted to do because it was incorrectly formatted
[12:14] <LeeJunFan> dme: /boot should be on one, and swap on the other, of equal size is the easiest way to manage it and you probably want at least 512M for swap.
[12:15] <LeeJunFan> dme: so /boot on hdc, SWAP on hdd 512M for both.
[12:15] <dme> ok
[12:15] <dme> ty
[12:15] <LeeJunFan> dme: the 2 drives are of exactly equal size/type?
[12:15] <dme> yes, they are
[12:15] <dennister> wait...i used the howto that looked like that one, but it wasn't in the forum...it was in the ubuntu.com support pages, documentation
[12:16] <dme> i bought two (used) 2.1 Gb drives, same manu/model
[12:16] <dme> a buck a piece
[12:16] <dme> heh
[12:16] <TheGateKeeper> dennister: I think they carried the mistake over, probable still there
[12:17] <dennister> gatekeeper, i think i should dig out my systemrescuecd, and learn how to use partimage :-)
[12:17] <Nicole> Do you know a msn to ue microphone an web cam
[12:17] <dennister> i'd tried installing partimage on my hdd, but apparently you shouldn't
[12:17] <dme> brb - phone call
[12:18] <Nicole> misogino
[12:18] <LeeJunFan> dme: you'll get more speed out of the raid0 if they are on different IDE channels. ie. hda or hdb for the first drive, and hdc or hdd on the second.
[12:19] <dennister> gatekeeper, let's leave this for now...i will make a good backup b4 i start deleting things
[12:19] <dennister> thank you :-)
[12:19] <TheGateKeeper> dennister: ok, time for me to go to sleep anyway
[12:20] <TheGateKeeper> dennister: yw :-)
[12:20] <dennister> have a great night then
[12:20] <LeeJunFan> anyone know the easiest way to find the oldest file in a dir?
[12:20] <TheGateKeeper> thanx
[12:20] <dennister> general question: what's the best file-sharing program for kubuntu?
[12:20] <fdoving> samba :)
[12:21] <|lostbyte|> dennister, ktorrent
[12:21] <fdoving> or nfs.
[12:21] <dennister> heheheh
[12:21] <|lostbyte|> :P
[12:21] <Sanne> LeeJunFan: switch to detailed list view, sort by "Modified"
[12:21] <dennister> hi lostbyte!
[12:21] <|lostbyte|> dennister, hi.
[12:21] <dennister> ktorrent isn't uploading anything...can't find any directions to configure it properly
[12:22] <dennister> and i know my isp does traffic-shaping, so i need to configure that
[12:22] <LeeJunFan> Sanne: yeah, maybe, if I -R though I bet it will only sort per dir, I want to find the oldest file in my $HOME.
[12:23] <dennister> besides: ktorrent, while downloading, downloads for seconds, stalls, downloads, stalls...it would take forever to download a measly 1-hr television show
[12:24] <fdoving> !azureus
[12:24] <ubotu> azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo
[12:24] <Sanne> LeeJunFan: ah. I'm sure you can do some magic with the "find" command, but I'm not very versed with that. Hmmm, you could use the find files gui in Konqui, search for all files *.*. and sort the result by modified, perhaps?
[12:24] <fdoving> !frostwire
[12:24] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[12:24] <dennister> i used to use azureious successfully in windows...but in kubuntu it crashes constantly, worse in kde than in gnome
[12:24] <dennister> besides...it has a horrible kind of bloat
[12:25] <LeeJunFan> Sanne: yeah, I can easily find files older than +mtime but to find the oldest. of course I could use exec to ls -l each file, owell. I'll figure something out - find was my first guess but I was hoping for simpler.
[12:25] <dennister> hmmmm, frostwire, eh?
[12:26] <dennister> i'll look into it...i'd love to use bitlord again...so easy
[12:27] <dme> LeeJunFan, i'm now creating the 1st partition on the 1st harddisk; 500Mb; its asking me primary or logical?
[12:27] <Sanne> LeeJunFan: well, I just tested my second way, using Tools/Find File in Konqui, search for *.*, and sorted the resulting list  by modified. Works nicely, acutally.
[12:27] <LeeJunFan> dme: primary is fine
[12:28] <dme> ty
[12:29] <dme> LeeJunFan, boot flag on or off (on i would think)
[12:30] <LeeJunFan> dme: on is safe, I don't think it matters with grub with linux.
[12:31] <dme> i'm now on the 500Mb partition on the 2nd hard drive: primary also?
[12:31] <dme> that is, the swap partition
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> Sanne: yeah, I'll have to craft find to do it - ls with -R sorts each dir individually.
[12:32] <dme> (i haven't yet done the RAID partition on the 1st hd... thought i'd get the two 500Mb parts first)
[12:32] <LeeJunFan> Sanne: I'm trying to weed out old unused stuff from $HOME, I haven't started with a clean $HOME since like 1998, thru about 20 different computers and such and I keep the same $HOME dir. hehe
[12:33] <LeeJunFan> I'm sure I have files that are probably lurking around more than 5 years old that I don't need.
[12:34] <vge> is there a program that i ca use to see whats my largest file in the hardrive?
[12:34] <LeeJunFan> dme: yeah, that's good. get those out of the way.
[12:34] <Sanne> LeeJunFan: 1998!! Wow, that's long. Well, if I think about it, I also still have some files from my first Debian accompanying me from system to system... heh.
[12:34] <dme> LeeJunFan: i now have hdc as 500Mb primary /boot, hdd 500Mb primary swap, nothing else set up yet
[12:35] <dme> LeeJunFan: i'm setting up the 1st raid partition (hdc) - primary or logical ?
[12:35] <LeeJunFan> dme: okay, unfortunatly trying to do this from memory I'm not exactly sure what options to use for setting up the other 2 parts, but I think you want to make the partitions and set the partition types to raid on both of them.
[12:35] <LeeJunFan> dme: you can use primary on all of them. since you'll only have 2 partitions on each drive it's not a problem.
[12:36] <dme> ok!
[12:36] <Karol84PL> Hello, i've got a stupid question, but i can't find an answer. I've clicked on "hide menu" in Konqueror. How to restore it back?
[12:37] <Sanne> Karol84PL: ctrl-m
[12:37] <Karol84PL> Sanne: thanks :-)
[12:38] <Sanne> Karol84PL: you're welcome :)
[12:38] <Karol84PL> thanks
[12:40] <dme> LeeJunFan... i might have screwed up: i got my 4 partitions set up, at then could have selected "write partition info and (goto next step)" or "Configure software RAID"; i chose configure software raid
[12:40] <dme> LeeJunFan: it told me that changes had to be written (continued)
[12:40] <scott_> hi all
[12:40] <scott_> has anyone installed Java?
[12:40] <scott_> on Kubuntu?
[12:41] <Hawkwind> scott_: All sorts of us have
[12:41] <Hawkwind> !java
[12:41] <ubotu> To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[12:41] <LeeJunFan> Sanne: haha! I have a lot of files from '97 even! and one from 96!
[12:41] <LeeJunFan> Sanne: find . -printf "%TY %p\n" | sort -n | less
[12:41] <Sanne> LeeJunFan: you should start a file museum ;)
[12:42] <Sanne> LeeJunFan: thanks for the command, will keep it for later.
[12:43] <fenian> Hi
[12:43] <dme> LeeJunFan so, it wrote the changes, and took me to the RAID configure screen; i selected create md device, and put an X in both of the RAID partitions; when i selected "continue", it just took me back to the "create md device, delete md device, finish" menu, so I selected "create md device" AGAIN, and then it gave me a red screen with the error message "no Linux RAID Autodetect" devices available... stuck now
[12:43] <Hawkwind> LeeJunFan: What does the year date in the files mean ?  The year they were originally written/coded ?
[12:44] <LeeJunFan> Hawkwind: actually it's the year they were last modified.
[12:45] <Hawkwind> LeeJunFan: Last modified ?  I've got files with dates of 1986, which is simply amazing
[12:45] <LeeJunFan> I imagine I'd find even dustier files with ctime.
[12:45] <LeeJunFan> how in the h!@# do you have files older than linux?
[12:45] <dme> LeeJunFan: was i supposed to set up 2 md devices, and then use the LVM to turn them into a striped set?
[12:46] <Hawkwind> LeeJunFan: I have xu4 installed, which is a game from 1984 :P
[12:46] <LeeJunFan> dme: I don't think so - I've never used lvm, I just created 2 partitions as raid, then you should see an md0 device which you can then create / partition in, and format.
[12:46] <marion> k
[12:47] <dme> ok
[12:47] <Hawkwind> LeeJunFan: 1986 ./u4/src/ULTIMA4/BRICK.CON
[12:50] <matthew_> can anyone help me w/ setting up WPA2?
[12:52] <LeeJunFan> Hawkwind: change the %A to  for ctime.
[12:53] <LeeJunFan> Hawkwind: oddly all my ctimes are 2006 or newer those must have been changed when I copied them but it kept the modified attrib of the orig.
[12:54] <LeeJunFan> Hawkwind: sorry %T to  for ctime.
[12:54] <LeeJunFan> Hawkwind: sorry %T to \ for ctime.
[12:54] <LeeJunFan> ugh.. substitution
[12:54] <LeeJunFan> Hawkwind: sorry %T to %C for ctime.
[12:54] <fdoving> matthew_: i think this also should work for wpa2. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo
[12:55] <flaccid> synaptic is a gtk app?
[12:55] <fdoving> yes.
[12:55] <flaccid> qt package manager for ubuntu?
[12:55] <fdoving> flaccid: adept
[12:56] <CapnCook> on a fresh install of kubuntu dapper Konqueror locks up the system after using it for a few minutes
[12:56] <Hawkwind> LeeJunFan: Yeah.  With that everything is 2006 as it should be since this install of Dapper is 100% fresh for the most part
[12:56] <CapnCook> does anyone have a solution?
[12:56] <matthew_> fdoving i've tried that i've got wpa_supplicant to work but can't connect to my network
[12:56] <flaccid> fdoving: ah ok cool. adept kinda sux :)
[12:57] <fdoving> flaccid: you can try 'smartpm' if you want something else. can't tell you much about it though.. it's there,  you can test it :)
[12:58] <dme> LeeJunFan: i'm not using a RAID card - just 2 ide hd's. i hope i didn't give the impression i was using a raid card
[12:59] <LeeJunFan> dme: no, software raid is how I did it too.
[01:00] <CapnCook> is anyone else having trouble with the dapper security repo being slow?
[01:02] <LeeJunFan> dme: I have /dev/sdb5 and /dev/sda5 set as linux raid partitions, then they are accessed as md0, after you create the 2 partitions as raid you can then create the / partition inside md0.
[01:02] <LeeJunFan> sda/sdb - mine are scsi.
[01:06] <fdoving> gnite.
[01:06] <brendonjt> hi there one and all  just a quick question  if i may?
[01:06] <fdoving> !ask
[01:06] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:07] <fdoving> and good nite. :)
[01:08] <brendonjt> i am looking at installing edgy, just wondering has the bug with frostwire been fixed there yet?
[01:08] <brendonjt> anyone?
[01:08] <Dr_willis> what bug?
[01:08] <shadowhywind> when does edgy offically release?
[01:08] <Dr_willis> !release
[01:08] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[01:08] <brendonjt> hang on i'll just find it for you
[01:09] <shadowhywind> i know it gets released sometime this month, i was more aiming for a day
[01:09] <Dr_willis> if you want it now.. update to it now. :P
[01:09] <Dr_willis> that way there wont be a huge rush the day its released
[01:10] <fdoving> shadowhywind: ~ 28th
[01:10] <dme> hey, Dr Willis, nice to see you...
[01:10] <dme> LeeJunFan, you still there?  AAAAAAGH do i feel like an idiot
[01:11] <dme> LeeJunFan: the created md/raid device was there the whole time - in other words, i did it right - i just couldn't see it because it was scrolled off the bottom of the selection window
[01:11] <LeeJunFan> dme: heh, happens.
[01:11] <dme> LeeJunFan: so, my question is, now that i have a raid partition, do i go ahead and format it ext3?
[01:13] <Nicole> His pls I need help, I installed mercury msn , but I can't open it , 'cos I get a fatal error
[01:13] <brendonjt> Dr_willis:  this is the error that i get runFrost.sh: 44: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "}")
[01:13] <Nicole> what can I DO
[01:14] <LeeJunFan> dme: I think you need to go into md0 and set it to be /
[01:14] <dme> did htat
[01:14] <dme> did that
[01:14] <LeeJunFan> dme: then format and install as normal from there.
[01:14] <LeeJunFan> so yeah, format it as ext3 and install.
[01:14] <dme> thanks
[01:14] <dme> i guess then that linux automatically installs itself to root?
[01:14] <Dr_willis> brendonjt,  sounds like a typo in the startup script
[01:15] <brendonjt> Dr_willis:  under dapper it works no problems  with out a hitch
[01:16] <flaccid> fdoving: cheers
[01:16] <dme> aaa! this is SO kewl!  i barely know Linux and yet i just set up a raid system... (dme checks the mirror to see if he has a halo)
[01:16] <Nicole> what can I DO
[01:16] <Nicole> His pls I need help, I installed mercury msn , but I can't open it , 'cos I get a fatal error
[01:16] <Dr_willis> !info mercury
[01:16] <ubotu> mercury: A new logic/functional programming language. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11.0.rotd.20040511-5 (dapper), package size 24708 kB, installed size 109984 kB
[01:16] <Dr_willis> hmm
[01:17] <LeeJunFan> dme: yeah
[01:17] <dme> i'll be signing off for now
[01:17] <LeeJunFan> dme: everything is in /, you can make other partitions if you wish, like /usr, /lib/, /var etc... but if you only have / it will make those dirs in root.
[01:18] <dme> LeeJunFan: thanks for all your help... i couldn't have done it w/o u explaining that boot not a raid partition stuff, etc...
[01:19] <Nicole> Dr_willis whatis mercury
[01:19] <Rafflesia-brb> Anybody had any luck with installing FreeCiv?
[01:19] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  i was asking the same thing. :)
[01:20] <Dr_willis> Mercury is a Java-based MSN client (and slowly upcoming Jabber client). http://www.mercury.to/
[01:20] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: apt-get install freeciv? :)
[01:20] <Nicole> sorry I am back
[01:20] <Rafflesia> I'll try that next
[01:21] <Nicole> Dr_willis, that's a messenger
[01:21] <Peti> Hi!
[01:22] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  if you are having problems with a JAVA program. I suggest being SURE you are using the SUN java. NOT the Gij java packages
[01:22] <Peti> Anyone knows how to upgrade from breezy to dapper?
[01:22] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  if 'java -version' does NOT reply with --->  java version "1.5.0_06"
[01:22] <Dr_willis> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_06-b05
[01:22] <menace> why is it that the files that im trying to download on ktorrent keep stalling?
[01:22] <Dr_willis> Then i suggest updating your java, and checking the 'update-alternative java' section of the !java  wiki page
[01:23] <Nicole> Dr_willis, I got this Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_06-b05)
[01:23] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  looks lik eyour java is ok then..
[01:23] <brendonjt> Peti: make sure you have ubuntu-desktop installed,  then change the enteries in your sources.list from breezy to dapper,  then sudo apt-get up date  then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:23] <nutshell42> menace: ktorrent used to be a PoS, try azureus
[01:23] <menace> ok
[01:24] <Nicole> Dr_willis, can I paste you the fatal error
[01:24] <Hawkwind> menace: That's not a ktorrent issue.  That's probably a server or ISP issue
[01:24] <nutshell42> menace: btw. this is not just "you don't use what I use so it's sh*t"; I really tried ktorrent
[01:24] <Hawkwind> menace: There is nothing wrong with ktorrent, that is merely one persons opinion
[01:24] <DaSkreech> nutshell42: 2.0?
[01:24] <nutshell42> but it's buggy and often slow
[01:24] <nutshell42> when azureus is not
[01:24] <DaSkreech> 2.0 is a lot nicer
[01:24] <menace> uhm...theres something wrong with my azureus installation
[01:24] <Hawkwind> I use ktorrent 2.0.2 without issues
[01:24] <menace> ill pastebin it
[01:24] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  wont do much good.. :P
[01:24] <menace> could someone tell me the pastebin link please?
[01:24] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  i know little about java..
[01:24] <nutshell42> DaSkreech: yes; but still, too many issues
[01:24] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: what did you try first?
[01:25] <Nicole> Dr_willis, :(
[01:25] <Hawkwind> menace: Azureus is nothing but a HUGE memory hog.  I'd certainly use something a bit lighter
[01:25] <Nicole> Dr_willis, that's sad
[01:25] <Rafflesia> the package menu
[01:25] <nutshell42> often it *will* work, unlike older versions, but sometimes not
[01:25] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  i am guessing you downloaded the debian package?
[01:25] <menace> !pastebin
[01:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:25] <Nicole> Dr_willis, yes
[01:25] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: Always try apt-get first :)
[01:25] <Hawkwind> nutshell42: Again, that's not a ktorrent issue.  That's an issue on your system or the server
[01:25] <DaSkreech>  You may not always get the latest bling but ti will save a lot of headaches
[01:26] <menace> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26025/
[01:26] <Nicole> this is the error" java.lang.RuntimeException: No permission to write /usr/lib/mercury/Mercury.lax."
[01:26] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  its possible theres some debian/ubuntu differance
[01:26] <nutshell42> Hawkwind: why does azureus work then?
[01:26] <menace> thats what it showed when i tried to install azureus-------->>http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26025/
[01:26] <nutshell42> or most other clients
[01:26] <Hawkwind> nutshell42: Try configuring ktorrent correctly and it will too.  I had the same issue when I first started using ktorrent.  I configured it correctly and now it just....works
[01:26] <nutshell42> I've never really used anything besides azureus, that old command-line thingy and ktorrent
[01:27] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: Might have to do a freeciv-server as well
[01:27] <Hawkwind> Azureus is too much of a memory hog. It takes up tons and tons of memory where any other torrent app doesn't
[01:27] <nutshell42> Hawkwind: and what should I do, oh wise one
[01:27] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  you realize that sudo mercury   works? :P
[01:27] <nutshell42> it needs about 100MB
[01:27] <nutshell42> if that's too much use a smaller client
[01:27] <Hawkwind> nutshell42: As mentioned, play with the settings.  Your settings won't be the same as mine.  It took me a good 3 - 4 days to get them right and now it never fails
[01:27] <Rafflesia> I guess I'm going to have to play around with it
[01:27] <nutshell42> if not azureus features are nice
[01:28] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  run it first as root.. then as a user...
[01:28] <Nicole> Dr_willis, there is a version for salckware and for red hat too
[01:28] <Hawkwind> nutshell42: Azureus much more than 100MB unfortunately.  I have a P4 3.2GHz HT with 2GB RAM and azureus is horrible to use.  But that's my opinion
[01:28] <nutshell42> Hawkwind: I really don't see what those things should change, apart from an upload limit
[01:28] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  its working for me
[01:28] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: Can't find it?
[01:28] <nutshell42> Hawkwind: then you must configure it right =P
[01:28] <Rafflesia> I seem to have a lot of dependency problems
[01:28] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: It's in universe
[01:29] <Hawkwind> nutshell42: Ktorrent has lots of plugins and stuff enabled by default.  Try looking at the app a bit before calling it crap and telling everyone not to use it
[01:29] <DaSkreech> Ah. GTk :)
[01:29] <menace> anyone have any idea on the problem at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26025/?
[01:29] <Rafflesia> Should I install the server first?
[01:29] <Dr_willis> I perfer ktorrent also.
[01:29] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:29] <DaSkreech> I don't think it matters what order you install them in
[01:29] <DaSkreech>  as long as you run the server before the client
[01:30] <Rafflesia> Sure doesn't.  Same dependency problems.
[01:30] <DaSkreech> What problems?
[01:31] <Rafflesia> not up-to-date copy of libc6
[01:31] <DaSkreech> What version is it looking for>
[01:31] <DaSkreech> ?
[01:31] <Nicole> Dr_willis, my dear doctor you are a genius
[01:31] <Nicole> Dr_willis, thanx
[01:31] <nutshell42> Hawkwind: then it shouldn't enable those plugins; I know I went over all the options and tried to use common sense; if I need some special guide because the options labels are crappy then it's not my fault
[01:31] <Rafflesia> 2.3.3-6
[01:32] <DaSkreech> What version do you have?
[01:32] <Dr_willis> Nicole,  :) when ya installed the deb - it soft of said to run as root to update.. so i just ran it as root to let it update...
[01:32] <nutshell42> menace: does it hang after that?
[01:33] <brendonjt> just had a look  seems  frostwire is incompatible with edgy grrr
[01:33] <menace> nutshell42: what do you mean by hang?
[01:33] <nutshell42> Hawkwind: ktorrent nevertheless tended to stall or slow down on d/ls and the other clients didn't
[01:33] <nutshell42> menace: oh sry, you use adept?
[01:33] <Rafflesia> 2.3.6-Oubuntu20
[01:33] <menace> nutshell42: no, i used konsole
[01:34] <nutshell42> then, did the apt-get hang after the msgs you posted?
[01:34] <menace> it went to a new prompt
[01:34] <menace> but i figured the x error bad device wasnt good...
[01:35] <LeeJunFan> nutshell42: I had way better luck with ktorrent after I compiled it myself from the newest version on the ktorrent webpage. As far as the stalling goes. newest ktorrent does a better job of finding peers apparently.
[01:35] <nutshell42> menace: unless you have some real problems suddenly, just ignore them =)
[01:35] <menace> ok
[01:36] <menace> LeeJunFan: where could i get the newest version from?...adept doesnt seem to have it
[01:36] <nutshell42> that undefined symbol is probably a problem with different versions for different packages
[01:36] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: Hmm mine is asking for that version not the 2.3.3
[01:37] <Rafflesia> Which package?
[01:37] <nutshell42> LeeJunFan: I try it once every few months
[01:37] <Rafflesia> 2.3.3 I can cover
[01:37] <scott___> I was able to download sun java..but I am having a hard time installing it?
[01:37] <nutshell42> but my azureus never used more than 150MB memory and I can live with that; so until ktorrent works out of the box, I'll stay with azureus
[01:38] <nutshell42> even though the java interface is *slow* =)
[01:38] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: What are you apt-getting?
[01:38] <Dr_willis> wine utorrent.exe
[01:38] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:38] <trappist> scott___: don't do it that way.  enable the multiverse repository and just sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre
[01:38] <Rafflesia> ?
[01:38] <Cholito> what about ktorrent?
[01:38] <LeeJunFan> nutshell42: ktorrent.org
[01:38] <Rafflesia> I'm a real noob.  Spell it out.
[01:38] <scott___> how do I enable the multiverse repository?
[01:38] <Dr_willis> !repos
[01:38] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:38] <trappist> !multiverse > scott___
[01:38] <Dr_willis> !multiverse
[01:38] <trappist> heh.
[01:40] <Dr_willis> !white and nerdy
[01:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about white and nerdy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:41] <DaSkreech> Joker
[01:41] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: How are you installing it?
[01:42] <Rafflesia> package menu
[01:43] <coreymon77> guys
[01:43] <coreymon77> i have a question
[01:43] <coreymon77> my current linksys wireless network card has a rt2500 chip in it
[01:43] <coreymon77> and it is interface ra0
[01:43] <coreymon77> its dying
[01:44] <coreymon77> im thinking of getting a dlink card since i have heard they are of good quality
[01:44] <coreymon77> what would that be
[01:44] <coreymon77> interface what
[01:44] <coreymon77> and what would i use to connect to it
[01:44] <coreymon77> would i use iwconfig or something else?
[01:45] <KrAmMeR> so i still cannot find libxine-extracodecs
[01:45] <KrAmMeR> and i have the universe repositories
[01:45] <thoreauputic> !libxine-extracodecs
[01:45] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[01:45] <thoreauputic> it's in multiverse
[01:45] <KrAmMeR> yeh thats wut i mean
[01:45] <KrAmMeR> multiverse
[01:45] <KrAmMeR> : /
[01:45] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get update  ;)
[01:46] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get me a beer
[01:46] <KrAmMeR> lol
[01:46] <KrAmMeR> i've done all the updates
[01:46] <KrAmMeR> its just not there
[01:46] <KrAmMeR> theres other libxine stuff
[01:46] <KrAmMeR> but not libxine-extracodecs
[01:46] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR: yes it is - you have a configuration problem
[01:47] <KrAmMeR> doh
[01:47] <KrAmMeR> i dunno wut im doing wrong
[01:47] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR: check your /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:47] <KrAmMeR> k
[01:47] <coreymon77> what would the interface be called and what would i use with it?
[01:48] <KrAmMeR> k
[01:48] <KrAmMeR> thoreauputic: what am i looking for in there
[01:48] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: Do you know how to use adept?
[01:48] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Maybe you should put your sources.list into http://pastebin.ulteo.us for all of us to see
[01:48] <KrAmMeR> k
[01:49] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR: make sure there are no typos :) and see if you have "multiverse" repos - not just backports multiverse etc
[01:49] <KrAmMeR> http://pastebin.ulteo.us/145
[01:49] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR: usually adding the word multiverse at the end of each universe line will do it
[01:49] <KrAmMeR> there it is
[01:50] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: There's your problem
[01:50] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR: you only have backports multiverse in that list
[01:50] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: You only have multiverse enabled for backports
[01:50] <thoreauputic> right
[01:50] <KrAmMeR> oh...
[01:50] <KrAmMeR> so go back into adept?
[01:50] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: You need to add universe and multiverse to the other lines as well
[01:51] <KrAmMeR> oh ok
[01:51] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Just edit it manually:  kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list   Replace kwrite with your favorite GUI editor
[01:51] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR: add multiverse to the universe lines, save and update
[01:52] <KrAmMeR> i think i gotta use the viv program
[01:52] <dme> anybody know of a utility to keep your Favorites/Bookmarks synchronized between different browsers/computers (example: i use IE and Firefox on my win box, and Konquerer on Kubuntu; i want some way to keep all 3 browsers favorites/bookmarks synchronized)
[01:52] <KrAmMeR> wouldn't let me get into the others
[01:52] <thoreauputic> ...
[01:52] <tobias__> my yabber wont work:(
[01:52] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: There?
[01:52] <KrAmMeR> err wuts its called again?
[01:53] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:53] <KrAmMeR> ah yes
[01:53] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR:  kdesu kate "/etc/apt/sources.list"  < you need sudo rights
[01:53] <thoreauputic> or use vi if you are used to vi
[01:53] <Hawkwind> thoreauputic: He tried last night and he can't open any editor with kdesu unfortunately
[01:53] <thoreauputic> Hawkwind: how odd
[01:54] <thoreauputic> nano is easier than vi if you aren't used to vi :)
[01:54] <KrAmMeR> do i just put multiverse after universe
[01:54] <KrAmMeR> so it would look like...
[01:54] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR: yes, at the end of the lines
[01:54] <coreymon77> hawk, do you know anything about wireless network cards
[01:54] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Yes
[01:54] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: Nope
[01:54] <KrAmMeR> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse
[01:54] <KrAmMeR> ?
[01:55] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR: right
[01:55] <KrAmMeR> k
[01:55] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Yes
[01:55] <coreymon77> does anyone here know anything about wireless network cards
[01:55] <dme> different question: i get tired of seeing all of the "... has quit (err msg)" "... has joined #kubuntu" "... is now known as ..." where do i find the help info to change these settings?
[01:55] <Dr_willis> I know that they can be a real PAIN
[01:55] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:55] <Dr_willis> what irc client dme ?
[01:56] <dme> BerSirc for Windows
[01:56] <thoreauputic> :/
[01:56] <dme> no settings of that nature in this client
[01:56] <dme> i was hoping it was an irc server thing
[01:56] <thoreauputic> dme: how are we supposed to know how to configure a windows client?
[01:57] <KrAmMeR> do i just press esc to save?
[01:57] <dme> u know, like /noshowjoinmessages
[01:57] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR: hit esc then type :wq
[01:57] <KrAmMeR> k
[01:57] <Squatch> Quick question.  Trying to get xvkbd & xbindkeys so that I can use all the buttons on my mouse, but when I "apt-get install xvkbd xbindkeys" I get "Couldn't find package xvkbd"...  Any suggestions?
[01:57] <coreymon77> guys
[01:58] <coreymon77> my rt2500 card is interface ra0
[01:58] <coreymon77> and use iwconfig
[01:58] <KrAmMeR> ok all saved now
[01:58] <dme> interesting suggestion, Dr_Willis - as usual, u thought of an approach outside of my mental box... hehe
[01:58] <coreymon77> a dlink card would be what interface and use what tool?
[01:58] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR:  sudo apt-get update
[01:58] <Dr_willis> dme,  theres free and non free version of xcha\t for windows.
[01:59] <thoreauputic> KrAmMeR: then try installing libxine-extracodecs again
[01:59] <KrAmMeR> k
[01:59] <dme> dme's mental box has only adaptors for free software
[02:00] <KrAmMeR> there it is!
[02:00] <KrAmMeR> yes!
[02:00] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:00] <KrAmMeR> thanks guys
[02:00] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: You're welcome
[02:00] <thoreauputic> np
[02:01] <MotorCityMadMan> hello: where can i find KDE protocols ?
[02:01] <dme> motorcitymadman, protocols for what?
[02:01] <dme> more specific, please
[02:02] <theosib> Anyone know how to get X11 man pages?
[02:02] <KrAmMeR> is there any other useful package you think i should get?
[02:02] <scott___> I can see java in adept...how do I install it?
[02:03] <theosib> How about man pages for math functions like sqrt?
[02:04] <DaSkreech> Rafflesia: Heeellloooo
[02:05] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: I'm trying to find your screenshots....but can't locate em'.  Do you think you could post the link?
[02:06] <MotorCityMadMan> dme: protocol handlers, called KIO slaves, that know how to serve up data from new and unusual sources, such as CDs
[02:09] <KrAmMeR> !shockwave
[02:09] <ubotu> shockwave is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Shockwave
[02:10] <Squatch> How do I add a repository so that apt-get can find xvkbd?
[02:11] <MotorCityMadMan> found the protocols in kinfocenter
[02:12] <Hawkwind> otaku-san: I have some at http://SeerOfSouls.com/gallery and some at http://SeerOfSouls.com/screenshots/
[02:13] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: Thanks!
[02:18] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: do you happen to know/remember the icon set you have on the KDE screenshot with the really white girl in your SoS gallery
[02:19] <MotorCityMadMan> dme: exsample, by typing info:gcc in konqueror will bring up info pages for gcc. just faster for resreach
[02:20] <MotorCityMadMan> or type man:gcc
[02:20] <sbcl3> hi, what is the password for 'ubuntu' on a live CD?
[02:21] <LjL> sbcl3: no password, i think
[02:21] <thoreauputic> sbcl3: there isn't one
[02:21] <sbcl3> um...
[02:21] <thoreauputic> sbcl3: just do  sudo <command>
[02:21] <sbcl3> i locked my session
[02:21] <sbcl3> i cant get back into it
[02:21] <LjL> well, just pressing enter doesn't work?
[02:21] <sbcl3> no
[02:22] <LjL> uhm
[02:23] <sbcl3> i'm serious, it doesn't unlock
[02:23] <LjL> i realize that you're serious, i just don't know the answer
[02:23] <LjL> perhaps it's even just a bug -- the session locker might not like empty passwords
[02:24] <flaccid> Does anyone have mplayerplug-in working with Opera ?
[02:24] <sbcl3> okay then...is there a quick way to kill it at the shell?
[02:24] <MotorCityMadMan>  camera:/ in the address line will give you a thumbnail look of pictures on a camera connected to pc
[02:24] <otaku-san> sbcl3: just hit the power button...it won't hurt it.  You can just start your box back up and everything should work
[02:25] <sbcl3> i'd rather kill it
[02:25] <sbcl3> heh...that's a lame bug...no one has had this problem?
[02:26] <otaku-san> sbcl3: I had to hard shut down my box a couple of times with the live cd in...because it is the live cd....and running straight off the disc
[02:27] <otaku-san> sbcl3: it won't hurt...anyways anything you do on the live cd won't be saved in the first place
[02:27] <sbcl3> i have some services running
[02:27] <otaku-san> sbcl3: like what
[02:27] <sbcl3> not true
[02:27] <LjL> sbcl3: i just tried unlocking by killing from the shell, but i ended up with unusable keyboard and mouse
[02:27] <Hawkwind> otaku-san: Give me the URL to the image
[02:28] <sbcl3> otaku-san: i have 6 partitions mounted and bittorent running
[02:28] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: http://seerofsouls.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=14&pos=0
[02:29] <MrMazda> anyone know which deb fsck comes from? I get segfault trying to run it (edgy)
[02:29] <Hawkwind> otaku-san: Ah, that isn't my screenshot.  That was DragonSpirits and I'm not sure on the icon set.  Maybe something similar to Gant
[02:29] <otaku-san> sbcl3: what?  I understand the partitions....but why a bittorrent?  It's okay to kill the bittorrent...anything you download won't work or install.
[02:30] <nuku> flaccid: i had mplayerplug-in running with opera..
[02:30] <flaccid> nuku: not anymore?
[02:30] <nuku> flaccid: i switched to kaffeine-mozilla as i like it more
[02:30] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: Ahhhh...ok I'll try looking for Gant.  I've seen it somewhere else before I got Linux...and was like "hey I want to put that on my KDE"
[02:30] <flaccid> nuku: can that embed?
[02:31] <nuku> flaccid: it just starts kaffeine when a plugin is on a page
[02:31] <nuku> flaccid: no
[02:31] <otaku-san> hehehehe...poor sbcl3
[02:31] <nuku> flaccid: but so you can switch fullscreen and things like that.. but its personal preference..
[02:31] <flaccid> nuku: problem with that is a page with more than 1 video
[02:31] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: thanks for trying to help me
[02:31] <flaccid> nuku: could you just test and see if your mplayerplug-in works atm ?
[02:31] <nuku> flaccid: ok.. i think for mplayerplugin you have to build your own version with gtk disabled
[02:32] <flaccid> nuku: oh. have you got anymore info?
[02:33] <nuku> fla
[02:33] <flaccid> fla?
[02:33] <nuku> flaccid: well do apt-get build-dep mplayerplug-in
[02:33] <nuku> sorrsy :)
[02:33] <nuku> i am not quite sober anymore :P
[02:34] <flaccid> lol
[02:34] <flaccid> w0a what does that command do?
[02:34] <nuku> flaccid: fetch all build dependencies for the package
[02:34] <nuku> so you have everything needed to build it for your own
[02:34] <flaccid> then i d/l the source from their website and compile?
[02:35] <nuku> flaccid: for example. but.. do ./configure --enable-x
[02:35] <flaccid> yeah i know how to compile :)
[02:35] <nuku> well the --enable-x is important
[02:35] <Nicole> hello, I got a Video CApture Kworld card and I am connecting my video camara, but I don't know where to start, what can I do
[02:36] <flaccid> nuku: and disable gtk?
[02:36] <nuku> should. .yes..
[02:36] <nuku> just use --enable-x this should work fine
[02:36] <nuku> http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=131761 .. look here for example
[02:37] <flaccid> nuku:  i get E: Unable to find a source package for mplayerplug-in when doing the build-dep command
[02:38] <nuku> uhm maybe i spelled something wrong ..
[02:38] <nuku> hmm
[02:38] <nuku> you are right
[02:39] <nuku> this is strange :) maybe the pkg is broken.. just try to fetch source and build it and get the -dev packages if there is missing something
[02:40] <MotorCityMadMan> hello: ls /var/cache/apt/archives brings up a ton of .deb files. can these be cleaned up nicely without making kubuntu mad ?
[02:40] <thoreauputic> MotorCityMadMan: yes, just do   sudo apt-get clean
[02:41] <adrianoc> no consigo instalar o kde verso ptbr
[02:41] <MotorCityMadMan> thoreauputic: very nice, ty
[02:41] <nuku> flaccid: but in general apt-get build-dep pkgname should work
[02:42] <MotorCityMadMan> i will remember that code
[02:42] <flaccid> ta
[02:42] <thoreauputic> MotorCityMadMan: no problem :) If you only want to clean out old debs use  sudo apt-get autoclean
[02:42] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: I found the icon set!  It's called Umicons 2.0   Gant is a similar icon set for something else
[02:43] <Hawkwind> otaku-san: Yeah I just found the umicons on my system in fact and was about to tell you :P
[02:43] <Hawkwind> otaku-san: I am however uploading over 40,000 icons to my gallery right now.  I should have them all posted up there later tonight
[02:44] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: Sweet....The coolest thing about Linux is how you can change from one thing to a complete other...never a dull moment!
[02:45] <flaccid> nuku: hmm yeah need these dev deps
[02:46] <ubuntu_> buenas
[02:46] <MotorCityMadMan> thoreauputic: the disk cache is 51% and application is 38%. this is eatting memory up. how do i bring these numbers down ?
[02:46] <Admiral_Chicago> !es > ubuntu_
[02:47] <thoreauputic> MotorCityMadMan: umm - I don't follow you - where is this output coming from?
[02:47] <nuku> flaccid: maybe read the forum thread i posted it should be mentioned what -dev packages are needed to build this..
[02:47] <thoreauputic> MotorCityMadMan: in general linux uses as much memory as it can - it's more efficient
[02:48] <MotorCityMadMan> thoreauputic: kde info center/ memory view
[02:48] <flaccid> nuku: don't think it does hey
[02:48] <Admiral_Chicago> what is the command to do that in konsole?
[02:48] <thoreauputic> MotorCityMadMan: see above - type  free -m  in a terminal and look at the second line - it's more relevant
[02:48] <flaccid> yeah its normal for *nix boxes to use all the memory available
[02:49] <Admiral_Chicago> but it's for processing, not like windows hogging the memory, *nix uses it proactively
[02:50] <MotorCityMadMan> -/+ buffers/cache:  used 382  free   621
[02:51] <flaccid> i have 18mb free. sometimes 1 or 0 :)
[02:52] <MotorCityMadMan> physical memory=1003 MB free=45MB but i did make a 10GB swap. just incase
[02:53] <flaccid> thats pretty fat
[02:53] <MotorCityMadMan> Sysinfo for 'Kubuntu': Linux 2.6.15-27-amd64-generic running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: AMDAthlon643400+ at 1004 MHz (2012 bogomips), , RAM: 959/1003MB, 135 proc's, 7.29h up
[02:53] <nuku> yes there is no point in wasting free memory .. this can always be used as cache :)
[02:54] <MotorCityMadMan> ok, getting the point of not wasting a good thing
[02:55] <flaccid> my dedicated server maxes out 512mb ram. if i put more in it would prolly chew up a few more 100mb if it can
[02:56] <MotorCityMadMan> anyways i will add 1GB more just for fun
[02:56] <pluto> Is Kubuntu faster than Ubuntu?
[02:56] <Dr_willis> relative..
[02:56] <Dr_willis> with a fast enough macine - i doubt ya can tell the differance.
[02:57] <Dr_willis> I cant tell the diff onmy 2.5 ghz amd64 box
[02:57] <pluto> Dr_willis: I'm runnint a celeron 300A, do you think I'll notice a difference if I intstall Kubuntu?
[02:58] <nuku> pluto: maybe you should go for xubuntu :)
[02:58] <MotorCityMadMan> a motherboard with about 25 banks for 50GB of RAM will do it i think
[02:58] <MotorCityMadMan> i am truly mad
[02:59] <MotorCityMadMan> just don't have walking around scense
[02:59] <pluto> nuku: can you tell me the easiest way to make the switch?  Will I maintain my book marks, files, etc?
[02:59] <trappist> I ran kde (on another distro) on a 300mhz box quite happily for a long time, back when kde was much slower than it is now
[02:59] <nuku> pluto: hmm probably just install xubuntu-desktop ...but i've never done it :)
[03:00] <nuku> this should keep everything you have in your home dir and hence every bookmark and stuff
[03:00] <trappist> pluto: it isn't like installing a new operating system.  it just installs all the packages you need for a nice xfce desktop, which is very lightweight.
[03:00] <Dr_willis> pluto,  a 300mhz machine?
[03:01] <pluto> Dr_willis: Yes, that is correct!
[03:01] <nuku> 300mhz should be enough for everyone :)
[03:01] <Dr_willis> You proberly should use the lightest/smallest window manager you can get by with
[03:01] <trappist> yeah, so should 640kb of RAM ;)
[03:01] <Dr_willis> xfce (xubuntu) or fluxbox, or others
[03:01] <pluto> It appears to get bogged down - takes a long time for applications to open.
[03:02] <trappist> but seriously.  kde should be pretty OK.  I ran it for years on a 300mhz box back when kde was nasty-slow.  or did I mention that :)
[03:02] <trappist> pluto: oh, yeah, you will suffer from that.
[03:02] <nuku> well its more about ram than about cpu with kde
[03:02] <pluto> I'm stoked with ram, 400+ MB
[03:03] <nuku> 512mb should be fine.. but anyway xfce/fluxbox is more lightwight and faster
[03:03] <trappist> app startup time is a lot about i/o too.  it can be improved considerably with prelinking, tweaking fontconfig etc.
[03:04] <faked_> I'm having trouble installing libpng so I can run emulators n' stuff, can someone help me through it?
[03:04] <trappist> faked_: you already have libpng installed
[03:05] <faked_> >_> if I did Visualboy advance wouldn't error me when I try to configure it.
[03:05] <trappist> faked_: it may want a different version than you have installed.  if you can see it looking for a particular libpng*.so, try making a symlink to the one you have.
[03:06] <faked_> a symlink?
[03:06] <faked_> I'm kinda foreign to linux and I just learn as I go so could you define that please?
[03:06] <trappist> a symbolic link - a pointer to a file that's just like the file itself
[03:06] <faked_> so like a shortcut file on windows?
[03:06] <trappist> so when it finds your symlink, it will load your real libpngX.so and hopefully be happy
[03:07] <trappist> faked_: no
[03:07] <nuku> well more like a ntfs link..
[03:07] <trappist> faked_: a windows shortcut file is more like a .desktop file - it's just a text file with info about the file it points to
[03:07] <trappist> a symlink is a filesystem feature
[03:08] <nuku> but this sounds like really messing around anyway :)
[03:08] <trappist> that fat32, for example, doesn't have, and that most people don't know about on ntfs
[03:08] <nuku> maybe the emulator you want to run is already in the repositories
[03:08] <trappist> hey, it is!
[03:08] <trappist> sudo apt-get install visualboyadvance
[03:09] <faked_> how the hell do you guys know what emulators I'm trying to install >_>
[03:09] <trappist> it's in the universe repo
[03:09] <pluto> If I install the KDE desktop, can I switch back to GNOME?
[03:09] <trappist> faked_: you told us
[03:09] <faked_> ...so I did >_>;
[03:09] <trappist> separately, there's a frontend - vbaexpress
[03:10] <Grimjaws> Heh, trying Kubuntu on Parallels atm, Emulation owns. :)
[03:10] <faked_> E: Couldn't find package visualboyadvance
[03:10] <trappist> !universe > faked_
[03:10] <trappist> faked_: it's in the universe repository
[03:11] <faked_> 'the hell does that mean >_>
[03:11] <trappist> faked_: check your private message.  the bot explained it.
[03:12] <faked_> so you're saying I can find VBA in synaptic?
[03:12] <LjL> faked_: Ubuntu's software is contained in repositories. there is a "Main" repository that is enabled by default, because its packages are mantained as part of the core Ubuntu distribution. the "Universe" repository is disabled by default because it contains packages that might not work, and are mantained by different guys. then there's also a "Multiverse" repository, containing stuff that is believed to not be 100% free software
[03:12] <LjL> !info visualboyadvance
[03:12] <nuku> maybe the bot should learn to trigger on common keywords (not the !.* ones) and just explain every faq :)
[03:12] <ubotu> visualboyadvance: a full featured Game Boy Advance emulator. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.7.2-4build1 (dapper), package size 793 kB, installed size 2684 kB
[03:12] <trappist> faked_: once you enable the universe repository, yes.
[03:12] <LjL> faked_: yes
[03:12] <thompa> anyone know how to get my mem stick to show
[03:13] <trappist> nuku: I've seen bots that did that.  seems cool at first, but then they get very noisy and are hardly ever right.
[03:13] <faked_> oh. well. that's pretty useful then
[03:13] <thompa> it works in the back not front panel
[03:13] <LjL> nuku: that's been discussed, and decided against, afaik
[03:13] <LjL> faked_: yeah, it is...
[03:13] <LjL> !packages > faked_
[03:13] <nuku> well there need to be more progress in bot AI development ;)
[03:13] <coreymon77> guys
[03:14] <coreymon77> anyone know anything about wireless network cards
[03:14] <trappist> nuku: bots will have to be upgraded from python to ruby for that to happen ;)
[03:14] <trappist> coreymon77: you'll have better luck asking a specific question
[03:14] <coreymon77> well
[03:14] <coreymon77> im just collating data
[03:14] <nuku> trappist: haha the last bot i ran was an eggdrop one ;)
[03:14] <coreymon77> about whats a good wireless network card that will work on dapper out of the box
[03:15] <coreymon77> and will work with a linksys  router
[03:15] <coreymon77> other than a linksys card
[03:15] <trappist> coreymon77: anything with an atheros chipset will make you very happy
[03:15] <coreymon77> cause those are sh*t
[03:15] <coreymon77> the chipset isnt the problem
[03:15] <coreymon77> ralink works perfectly
[03:15] <coreymon77> its the card itself
[03:15] <trappist> it's pretty much all about the chipset
[03:16] <coreymon77> my linksys card has a ralink chipset
[03:16] <coreymon77> and it works perfectly
[03:16] <coreymon77> the problem is
[03:16] <coreymon77> the card itself is shit
[03:16] <trappist> !enter
[03:16] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[03:16] <coreymon77> and the antenna falls off all the time
[03:16] <coreymon77> and i have to get a new one
[03:16] <trappist> coreymon77: then find a card by your favorite manufacturer with an atheros chipset, and you'll be happy
[03:17] <coreymon77> i want to know what manufacturer makes a card that isnt sh*t
[03:17] <coreymon77> and wont break all the itme!
[03:18] <trappist> you might ask in #hardware for opinions on manufacturing quality.  as far as software compatibility, the chipset is what counts (and is on-topic)
[03:18] <coreymon77> let me get, an atheros chipset would be interface ath0 right?
[03:18] <coreymon77> guess*
[03:18] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: Purchase an Orinoco Silver or Gold card from ebay for $20.  That's what I did
[03:18] <trappist> it is on my box, yeah.  I think it depends which drivers you use.
[03:19] <trappist> orinoco will work too, usually.
[03:19] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: I got so tired of fighting with ndiswrapper that I went and purchased a supported card
[03:19] <trappist> and what's the other one, prism
[03:19] <coreymon77> i dont need ndiswrapper hawk, iwconfig works with ralink cards
[03:19] <Hawkwind> I paid $20, that included shipping and everything.  Brand new card in a box, unopened
[03:19] <faked_> I can't find the visualboyadvance package, how do I know where to get it?
[03:19] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: I understand that.  I'm telling you my situation and what card works out of the box
[03:19] <coreymon77> faked, download it off the site
[03:19] <nuku> hehe my orinoco (well more lucent) silver is almost 7 years old now :)
[03:19] <trappist> faked_: you enable the universe repository, then you sudo apt-get install visualboyadvance
[03:20] <Hawkwind> faked_: sudo apt-get install visualboyadvance
[03:20] <Hawkwind> !info visualboyadvance
[03:20] <ubotu> visualboyadvance: a full featured Game Boy Advance emulator. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.7.2-4build1 (dapper), package size 793 kB, installed size 2684 kB
[03:20] <trappist> heh, is extra.  makes it sounds like it wants money.
[03:21] <nuku> go for linspire ;)
[03:21] <faked_> but HOW do I enable the universe repository?
[03:21] <trappist> !universe
[03:21] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:21] <thoreauputic> !repos
[03:21] <trappist> faked_: follow that link
[03:21] <faked_> I'm ON that website
[03:22] <Hawkwind> trappist: How's that script coming along :P
[03:22] <trappist> faked_: you add a line to your /etc/apt/sources.list for the universe repo, then sudo apt-get update
[03:22] <trappist> Hawkwind: I got sidetracked by a failed attempt to upgrade to kde 3.5.5, from which I'm still recovering :)
[03:22] <Hawkwind> Ouch!
[03:22] <Hawkwind> I upgraded to 3.5.5 the other day in my vmware edgy install and haven't noticed any issues
[03:23] <coreymon77> thats why i dont upgrade kde
[03:23] <nuku> i upgraded to 3.5.5 without any problems too :)
[03:23] <nuku> (on edgy)
[03:23] <coreymon77> i wait until its included in a ew stable kubuntu
[03:23] <coreymon77> i dont ess with betas
[03:23] <trappist> Hawkwind: yeah, ran into some dependency problems, had to rebuild kdebase and kdelibs to fix those, ran into some build-dep issues, fixed those... currently rebuilding kdebase.
[03:23] <Squatch> How do you set startup programs in KDE?
[03:23] <Hawkwind> It doesn't really bother me if it breaks to the point of being useless since I don't use KDE :)
[03:23] <coreymon77> they have too many problems for me
[03:23] <intelikey> why would nvidia-glx depend on the postdrop group ?
[03:23] <trappist> coreymon77: if it ain't broke, tweak it!
[03:24] <Hawkwind> trappist: Heh yeah I saw all that stuff in the -devel channel.  Looks like quite a mess indeed
[03:24] <coreymon77> trappist, i go by the moto, if it aint broke, dont fix it!
[03:24] <trappist> coreymon77: yeah I've heard that one.  that's for girls.
[03:24] <Hawkwind> If it ain't broke, play with it til it does break :)
[03:24] <coreymon77> thats why im always fixing stuff in windoze :P
[03:24] <Hawkwind> Tis the best way to learn things IMO
[03:24] <intelikey> trappist a man after my own practices
[03:24] <trappist> yeah that's why I upgraded.  I was getting a little too content with everything working all the time.
[03:25] <trappist> now I'm probably cool for the rest of the day with stuff to fix.
[03:25] <Hawkwind> Hah
[03:25] <intelikey> dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `postdrop' in statoverride file
[03:25] <intelikey> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
[03:25] <intelikey> i know adding the group will probabbly fix that
[03:26] <coreymon77> i dont know how to fix things, so i dont try to break them
[03:26] <intelikey> but why would i be getting that error to begin with ?
[03:26] <Hawkwind> coreymon77: That's how you learn to fix them, break them
[03:26] <trappist> coreymon77: but how will you learn how to fix things, with nothing broken to fix?
[03:27] <trappist> I don't usually know how to fix things, until they break
[03:27] <nuku> hehe after 5 years of gentoo fixing things is almost intuitive ;)
[03:28] <coreymon77> its good for me
[03:28] <coreymon77> my parents wont let me use linux anymore
[03:28] <trappist> nuku: apt must be a dream come true after gentoo
[03:28] <nuku> hehe well i used debian before that for some time ;)
[03:29] <trappist> coreymon77: all kidding aside, I think you should fight that one
[03:29] <coreymon77> if something in linux breaks
[03:29] <intelikey> coreymon77 so don't use linux.   use fbsd
[03:29] <trappist> ... you come here
[03:29] <coreymon77> my parents wont let me use linux anymore
[03:30] <nuku> but binary distributions are not that time consuming .. after many kde updates from source its obvisous what i am talking about ;)
[03:30] <coreymon77> so i dont play around with betas so that im sure nothings gonna break
[03:30] <coreymon77> well the first thing to usually break is my internet
[03:31] <trappist> well there's nothing wrong with a low tolerance for instability
[03:31] <coreymon77> how am i gonna come here if my internet breaks
[03:31] <intelikey> why would your network fail ?
[03:31] <coreymon77> anyways
[03:31] <coreymon77> thats what happens when i goof around with stuff
[03:31] <coreymon77> something breaks
[03:31] <coreymon77> usually my internet
[03:32] <intelikey> goffing in wrong department.
[03:32] <coreymon77> i dont know how to fix it, and then my parents stop letting me use linux
[03:33] <faked_> Okay so I got the whole Universe repositories thing done and downloaded the visualboyadvance package...but now I dunno how to install it
[03:33] <faked_> I did "sudo apt-get install visualboyadvance" but it said I had the newest version >_>
[03:33] <intelikey> fastduke they just kept going back to the bicycle shop until they got it "wright"
[03:33] <nuku> faked_: so you should be able to run it now ;)
[03:33] <faked_> where is it though?
[03:33] <trappist> well I have a wireless connection to a cheap wireless router, connected to a router with a 7-year-old linux distro on it with a flaky nic, going through a dry copper pair for dsl with no phone line, going through a telephone adapter for the VOIP... my internet breaks a lot :)
[03:33] <timthelion> is there a program for linux that teaches languages. I want to learn czech.
[03:34] <fastduke> coreymon77, the key is to give yourself a back way out
[03:34] <fastduke> small changes
[03:34] <coreymon77> w/e
[03:34] <fastduke> something breaks... undo what you just did
[03:34] <coreymon77> upgrading kde to a beta is not small change
[03:35] <fastduke> so run a normal kde plus the beta(if you have enough disk space)
[03:35] <intelikey> coreymon77 one word (acronym that is)  cli
[03:37] <intelikey> but hey i can break the most rock solid stable things there are  :)
[03:37] <intelikey> took lots of practice.
[03:37] <nuku> breaking things can be so easy if you really want to ;)
[03:37] <coreymon77> ive managed to crash kbuntu
[03:38] <coreymon77> ive managed to get my home directory deleted in suse 10
[03:38] <coreymon77> ive broken so many linuxes it is rediculous
[03:38] <intelikey> delete home is nothing.
[03:38] <coreymon77> nothing?
[03:38] <intelikey> yeah nothing.
[03:38] <coreymon77> you want to know how much that fucked my system (pardon my french)
[03:38] <nuku> rm -rf * in the wrong place can be much more fun ;)
[03:39] <intelikey> only as root nuku
[03:39] <nuku> sure
[03:39] <coreymon77> heck
[03:39] <coreymon77>  i even managed to get windoze to crash on me ;)
[03:39] <intelikey> but a good chmod 644 / -R     as root is lots of fun to fix.
[03:39] <coreymon77> lol
[03:39] <BonBonTheJon> !language
[03:39] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:39] <coreymon77> i know
[03:40] <coreymon77> i just needed to use that word for the effect of that sentence
[03:40] <Hawkwind> If you know, then why did you use it.  Please don't from now on
[03:40] <trappist> coreymon77: not really
[03:40] <Hawkwind> Actually you don't
[03:40] <faked_> Okay I have "visualboyadvance express" but I want the full install >_>
[03:40] <coreymon77> i wont
[03:40] <faked_> I installed the full install package but it doesn't seem to be here >_>
[03:40] <coreymon77> ill censor myself from now on
[03:41] <trappist> faked_: there's vbaexpress and visualboyadvance, two separate packages.  one is a front-end for the other.
[03:41] <trappist> faked_: the menu entry is probably for the front end - just run it
[03:41] <faked_> what does that mean?
[03:41] <faked_> I did run the menu entry
[03:41] <intelikey> coreymon77 removing your home dir is nothing.  i do that just to reset to default setting ....    just sudo mkdir /home/`whoami` && exit
[03:41] <Hawkwind> Means one is a GUI for the other
[03:41] <faked_> and it says "VBA Express 1.2"
[03:41] <nuku> faked_: when launching from konsole its VisualBoyAdvance not visualboyadvance
[03:42] <coreymon77> i didnt know that
[03:42] <faked_> but shouldn't it not be express?
[03:42] <coreymon77> and this is suse anyways
[03:42] <intelikey> when you login you have a home dir.  copy the files from /etc/skel and own your home.  you are like new.
[03:42] <coreymon77> w/e
[03:43] <coreymon77> it gave me an excuse for my parents to switch back to kubuntu
[03:43] <nuku> intelikey: well depends on what data you got in your home dir..
[03:43] <nuku> intelikey: and how long your last backup is ago :)
[03:44] <nuku> faked_: just try if the games you want to run are working .. "express" sounds like a name for a frontend/gui ..
[03:45] <trappist> it is, according to apt-cache show vbaexpress
[03:45] <faked_> yeah I got it all workin, thanks for all your help
[03:45] <VooXo> hi all
[03:46] <VooXo> i need a little bit help on booting kubuntu..
[03:46] <VooXo> anyone?
[03:46] <faked_> okay, next, if I run VBA fullscreen, how do I tab out of it without having to close it >_>
[03:46] <trappist> VooXo: you might try a more specific question
[03:46] <BonBonTheJon> VooXo: whats the problem
[03:46] <Dr_willis> faked_,  :)
[03:46] <Dr_willis> faked_,  alt-tab ?
[03:46] <faked_> I did that but it didn't do anything >_>
[03:46] <coreymon77> esc usually works
[03:46] <intelikey> childs play.   three commands to fix it.   could be in one string.      example**  sudo rm -fr ~ ;sudo mkdir /home/`whoami` ;sudo cp /etc/skel/.?? /home/`whoami` ;sudo chown `whoami`:`groups | cut -d' ' -f1` /home/`whoami`   ***end example  full reset to clean install settings.   (assumes default linux)
[03:47] <coreymon77> takes it outa full screen
[03:47] <Dr_willis> faked_,  ive noticed with some games - they dont seem to let me get out - unless im usiong some other window manager then kde.
[03:47] <intelikey> and this child is finsih playing now.
[03:47] <Dr_willis> i tend to just play with xmame :)
[03:47] <coreymon77> or alt+enter
[03:47] <faked_> oh well, I just won't run fullscreen then
[03:47] <coreymon77> i think that works
[03:47] <VooXo> i have recently ordered 5 cd's from shipit.kubuntu.org (v6.06 lts), but i have problems with booting kubuntu in live mode
[03:48] <Dr_willis> ya got the cd's just in time for 6.10 to get released. :)
[03:48] <Dr_willis> lol
[03:48] <BonBonTheJon> VooXo: what do the cds do when they stop working
[03:48] <intelikey> BonBonTheJon around here they usually find the dust bin
[03:48] <coreymon77> when is edgy stable coming out?
[03:48] <VooXo> well, i have an older pc (celeron 366mhz) and serial mouse... well, when it loads kde, mouse (cursor) doesnt work..
[03:49] <trappist> !schedule
[03:49] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[03:49] <BonBonTheJon> intelikey: lol
[03:49] <VooXo> i don't know how to make it load drivers for com1 port, and not for ps/2
[03:49] <VooXo> ?
[03:49] <BonBonTheJon> VooXo: might want to try xubuntu on the old of a machine
[03:49] <trappist> what's com1?  a serial port?
[03:49] <thoreauputic> VooXo: you have a serial mouse?
[03:49] <VooXo> yes
[03:50] <intelikey> VooXo you do a    sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:50] <BonBonTheJon> VooXo: no usb or ps2
[03:50] <VooXo> no, serial
[03:50] <coreymon77> yay, its coming soon
[03:50] <thoreauputic> VooXo: if this is as old as it sounds, xubuntu seems a better idea
[03:50] <intelikey> VooXo i use ttyS0 mouse here just reconfig x
[03:51] <VooXo> should i reconfigure it by doing: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[03:51] <intelikey> thoreauputic na  kubuntu runs fine on a 366mhz box
[03:51] <intelikey> VooXo that's what i said.
[03:51] <VooXo> ok
[03:51] <VooXo> i'll try that...
[03:51] <VooXo> 1 more question, concerning resolution:
[03:52] <VooXo> it displays 1024*768 resolution by default, but i want it to display 800*600 - how do i do that?
[03:52] <intelikey> VooXo that question is in the reconfig too
[03:52] <VooXo> excellent...
[03:53] <VooXo> but, when my mouse stops wotking, i dunno how to acces terminal?
[03:53] <VooXo> what shortcuts should i use?
[03:53] <VooXo> *to access it
[03:53] <intelikey> ctrl+alt+f1
[03:53] <intelikey> console
[03:54] <VooXo> sound good... :)
[03:54] <intelikey> x runs in tty7 by default
[03:54] <intelikey> using alt+f7 to get there from the tty1 console
[03:55] <VooXo> intelikey, hm.. i don't think i get this...
[03:56] <VooXo> " using alt+f7 to get there from the tty1 console"
[03:56] <VooXo> ?
[03:57] <intelikey> VooXo there are by default 6 login consoles tty1 - tty6   you can access any of them with the keys  ctrl+alt+f#     where # is the tty number you want.   tty7 is where X lives.
[03:57] <VooXo> get it..
[03:57] <VooXo> and, what about refresh rate? do i also set that with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[03:58] <intelikey> that way you always have a place to work on the system if needed.
[03:58] <intelikey> and yes.
[03:58] <VooXo> thanks a lot... i'm gonna check does this stuff work...
[03:58] <VooXo> be right back..
[03:58] <intelikey> :)
[03:58] <VooXo> if not, good night everyone
[03:58] <VooXo> ;)
[03:59] <maryen> hi guys
[04:02] <zen> hmmmm
[04:05] <coreymon77> i know this is very off topic
[04:05] <intelikey> when you use here strings where does it write the temp files ?
[04:05] <coreymon77> but sonic, does your name have anything to do with the sonic the hedgehog games?
[04:05] <johey> In ktorrent settings, I have a field that is called (in swedish) "uppladdningsnischer" (I don't know what it's called untranslated, but maybe something like "uploading nisches"). What is that?
[04:06] <Dr_willis> nisches ?
[04:06] <Dr_willis> slots ?
[04:06] <Dr_willis> niches
[04:10] <intelikey> for read Q <<"A" ;do...;done A<<<`something`      where does it write the temp file ?
[04:11] <Ahmuck> ! mp3
[04:11] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:13] <waspius> hi can anyone tell me a good messenger to use which supports webcam because kopete seems to have a bug
[04:13] <Tm_T> waspius: use 0.12 version
[04:14] <dako> Is there a way around the flash plugin install?
[04:14] <waspius> Tm_T: does it work?have u tried it?
[04:14] <Tm_T> waspius: it works.
[04:14] <waspius> Tm_T: do i have to get it from a site?it is not in the repos i think
[04:14] <Tm_T> waspius: should be in some repos
[04:15] <waspius> Tm_T: with apt-get update and upgrade i have not found anything
[04:17] <Tm_T> waspius: kubuntu.org helps
[04:17] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: moin
[04:17] <waspius> Tm_T: ok thanx
[04:18] <Hobbsee> heya
[04:18] <johey> Dr_willis: I don't really know actually... Though, when selecting a torrent that is either uploading or downloading, then clicking on the tab showing who is up/downloading, the last column is "uppladdningsnisch" and some of the fields have a green checkmark.
[04:20] <Dr_willis> well you allocate so many spaces for uploaders to use on your machine.. slower connection = use less spaces
[04:20] <johey> Dr_willis: Ah. Like slots?
[04:21] <Dr_willis> niche = a small area to put somthing in. :)
[04:21] <Dr_willis> Insert Tab A into Slot B. :)
[04:21] <johey> I'd like to have a word with the translator... ;)
[04:21] <Dr_willis> 'the statue was in a small niche in the wall of the church.'
[04:22] <Dr_willis> slot would be a more generic term
[04:22] <johey> Hmm, oki.
[04:22] <Dr_willis> call them  "BinaryReservationDevices"
[04:23] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: where are you putting the icon sets on your site so that later I can find them?
[04:23] <johey> Dr_willis: Can you explain the DHT column in the same tab as well? All fields are marked with a red X.
[04:24] <dennister> g'evening folks
[04:25] <dennister> how do u delete a huge number of nested directories?
[04:26] <trappist> dennister: rm -rf topleveldir
[04:27] <dennister> thanks! and I've got a very stubborn hidden directory...how to make it deletable? it's called 040910 Retail 01.9....
[04:27] <Dr_willis> johey,  go to the DHT setting in the settings area. .and pause the arror over it.. it will popup a tool tim
[04:27] <trappist> dennister: I hate when that happens.  you can't delete the parent dir with rm -rf?
[04:27] <Dr_willis> tip.. normally private trackers advise leaveing DHT Off.
[04:28] <dennister> lord no...it's very stubborn in terms of allowing me to even get into it
[04:28] <johey> Dr_willis: Oh ok.
[04:28] <dennister> someone helped me a couple of days ago, but i didn't think i'd have to do it again
[04:28] <trappist> dennister: what's its full name?  usually that's caused by a very whacky character in the filename
[04:29] <dennister> 040910 Retail 1.18.021.22254
[04:29] <trappist> that doesn't look so bad.  what happens if you rm -rf 040819<tab>
[04:30] <trappist> where <tab> means use the tab key to complete the filename
[04:30] <dennister> ok! it spreads out
[04:30] <trappist> hint: learn to love bash tab completion
[04:31] <dennister> yeah...i'm gonna have to, lol
[04:31] <BonBonTheJon> amen to that
[04:31] <dennister> hey, i loved dos commandline
[04:32] <dennister> BonBonTheJon: ha!
[04:33] <dennister> i did it :-) tab completion
[04:34] <trappist> dennister: man, and I thought it was gonna be some non-utf8 character in the filename that couldn't be entered on the shell
[04:34] <trappist> those are fun.
[04:37] <dennister> well, I still have to get into that hidden directory in order to delete the stuff inside
[04:38] <trappist> dennister: cd 040819<tab>
[04:38] <trappist> err, that's not the hidden directory
[04:38] <trappist> you've lost me
[04:39] <dennister> 040910...now i'm trying to do the tab completion and i'm simply getting beeps
[04:40] <dennister> ph i know
[04:40] <trappist> you usually get that when there's nothing in the current directory starting with what you've typed so far
[04:42] <dennister> yeah...and stuff i thought were empty (having laboriously done it b4 i cam in here) aren't empty
[04:44] <dennister> hi ErikTheRed!
[04:44] <ErikTheRed> hey
[04:44] <dennister> thx for helping me the other night
[04:45] <coreymon77> can you get vmware through apt?
[04:45] <ErikTheRed> sure! everything worked fine then?
[04:45] <trappist> !vmware
[04:45] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository. Instructions to install VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMWare
[04:45] <dennister> 99.99% of the pps in here are so great about helping
[04:46] <coreymon77> i meant the vmware that you can run virtual oses from
[04:46] <dennister> ErikTheRed: i'm still struggling with the ivtvdrivers, but i think i know why now
[04:46] <trappist> coreymon77: that's the one
[04:46] <coreymon77> what about vmware workstation
[04:46] <trappist> coreymon77: vmware player was made free by vmware - you can run oses in it, but you can't make new virtual machines.  for that, you need the full-on vmware, which isn't free and isn't in the repos.
[04:47] <dennister> apparently we shouldn't use the msp3400 file that comes with ivtv, but definitely should use the saa7127
[04:47] <coreymon77> what do you mean?
[04:47] <coreymon77> so i cant run windows from the free one?
[04:48] <trappist> coreymon77: you can if you already have a vmware virtual machine with windows on it.
[04:48] <dennister> i begged a guy that i think works for ivtvdriver.org for some help, and he explained some stuff that made sense to me
[04:48] <dennister> msp3400 apparently comes with most distros...so that's why it behaves differently than the other ones that are part of the ivtvdriver package
[04:49] <trappist> dennister: getting my ivtv card to work in linux is probably the hardest thing I've done to date in linux.  that was back when the 2.5 kernels were new, and the drivers for 2.5 were totally unsupported, but even making the firmware work was a pain.
[04:49] <dennister> i've been struggling now for the 3rd day...now i'm deleting so I can start out with a cleaner box
[04:50] <dennister> and hopefully i won't get so confused...i even successfully used qtparted and partimage for the 1st time
[04:50] <dennister> :-)
[04:51] <coreymon77> ???
[04:51] <AbortD> how do i setup 2 monitors in kubuntu?
[04:51] <coreymon77> how do i make a virtual machine with windows on it?
[04:52] <coreymon77> i have the windoze cd that came with my computer
[04:52] <coreymon77> how do i make a vm of it?
[04:55] <linuxkid2> what groups should I add a new user to?
[04:58] <dennister> goddangit! there are tons of these hidden files in hidden directories within hidden directories...
[05:00] <dennister> get into a hidden directory, and i can't list anything, let alone rm them
[05:01] <ghostshadow189> hi all , i'm testing  "gnome-terminal --window --execute perl test.pl"  , after that it opened a terminal window , but this window disappeared . so how can i make it still appear to see the result of test.pl script ?
[05:01] <linuxkid2> dennister: ls -a
[05:02] <dennister> all i get is 3 dots for about 25 hidden files
[05:02] <AAA> I have an amarok question, anyone already have my answer?
[05:03] <dennister> and that's just in this one directory...there'll be tons more like this, i know
[05:03] <dennister> i did the ls -a like u suggested linuxkid2
[05:03] <linuxkid2> dennister: if it's to much then pipe it to less
[05:04] <BonBonTheJon> dennister: try rm -rfv *
[05:04] <BonBonTheJon> AAA: what is your problem
[05:04] <AAA> can anyone tell me why the default pls player for kubuntu is amarok but it produces no sound nor errors? xmms plays the same stream fine
[05:04] <ghostshadow189> hi all , i'm testing  "gnome-terminal --window --execute perl test.pl"  , after that it opened a terminal window , but this window disappeared . so how can i make it still appear to see the result of test.pl script ?
[05:05] <AAA> BonBonTheJon  that is my problem
[05:05] <pluto> I'm trying to change my desktop from GNOME to KDE.  I did "sudo apt get install...", but when I restarted it loads the GNOME desktop.  How do I load the KDE desktop?
[05:05] <dennister> pipe it to less? have no idea what that means...tried the rm -rfv * and got nowhere
[05:05] <pluto> I'm trying to change my desktop from GNOME to KDE.  I did "sudo apt get install...", but when I restarted it loads the GNOME desktop.  How do I load the KDE desktop?
[05:05] <ghostshadow189> pluto : choose session when u boot
[05:06] <pluto> ghostshadow189: I'm not given an option to choose when booting.  How do I turn on this option?
[05:06] <AAA> this is amarok on a thinkpad A30p.  does amarok work out of the box for you guys?
[05:06] <BonBonTheJon> AAA: in Amarok, go to Settings, then Engine; and tell me what it says
[05:07] <BonBonTheJon> guess ghostshadow189 didnt want help
[05:07] <linuxkid2> AAA: by design it won't play MP3's
[05:07] <linuxkid2> !mp3 > AAA
[05:07] <AAA> linuxkid2  no sound from wmv avi swf mpg mov etc...
[05:07] <BonBonTheJon> linuxkid2: he said xmms played it
[05:07] <AAA> er n00b
[05:08] <AAA> hehe
[05:08] <linuxkid2> That's because amaroK uses xine and you have to install libxine-extracodecs
[05:08] <linuxkid2> for non-free file formats
[05:08] <AAA> I noticed that before my HDD crashed the other day and installed xine and still it didn't work proper.
[05:09] <AAA> I am using the live-cd ATM.  why would the default player be amarock but not ahve the libxine-extracodecs pkg installed?
[05:09] <linuxkid2> Cause Canonical would get sued.
[05:09] <pluto> Please help: How do I get KDE to load on boot and not GNOME?
[05:09] <BonBonTheJon> pluto: when you reach the login screen there should be a menu to select if you want KDE or GNOME
[05:10] <mahmoud> can i get xgl & compiz to work on my kubuntu ?
[05:10] <AAA> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ apt-cache show libxine-extracodecs
[05:10] <AAA> ubuntu@ubuntu:~
[05:10] <AAA> that is from the live-cd (without changing sources.list)
[05:10] <BonBonTheJon> !xgl
[05:10] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[05:10] <linuxkid2> it's in either restricted or multiverse, so you would have to modify the sources
[05:11] <AAA> then the default player should be something that works out of the box! imho
[05:11] <BonBonTheJon> mahmoud: there you go
[05:11] <linuxkid2> They want you to use Ogg
[05:11] <AAA> like FC1 shipping with mp3 support, that was ghey
[05:11] <linuxkid2> cause MP3 isn't free.
[05:11] <AAA> I know that
[05:11] <linuxkid2> they CAN"T. if you want a distro that does that, use a commercial one like SuSE
[05:11] <AAA> but the mp3 libraries are installed!~
[05:11] <mahmoud> ok i will see
[05:12] <linuxkid2> um, they are?
[05:12] <AAA> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ dpkg -l|grep mp3
[05:12] <AAA> ii  kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins            3.5.2-0ubuntu3                          au/avi/m3u/mp3/ogg/wav plugins for kfile
[05:12] <AAA> ii  libgmp3c2
[05:12] <dennister> aha! rm -rf topleveldir <dir name> did it!
[05:12] <AAA>  -r recursive -f force =p
[05:13] <linuxkid2> AAA: I'm sorry, but it's an amaroK and Kaffeine thing. XMMS will do it though. :-)
[05:13] <AAA> and there is no libxine-extracodecs deb
[05:13] <AAA> that is my point!
[05:13] <linuxkid2> I downloaded it only like an hour ago. You may need to enable multiverse.
[05:14] <AAA> seems silly to have that be the default.  just like I think the RH mp3-codecs thing was/is silly
[05:14] <AAA> that is why there is a non-free repo in debian proper
[05:14] <linuxkid2> AAA take it up with your lawyer.
[05:14] <AAA> hehe
[05:15] <AAA> the reason why I want to use it is for the built-in radio.pls and none of them work with the default install
[05:15] <AAA> I was trying to play what it offered me
[05:15] <AAA> and from the standpoint of a new Linux user they'd be like "WTF why doesn't this thing work?"
[05:16] <dennister> ok.../usr/src is now clean and empty :-)
[05:16] <linuxkid2> Maybe, but it is documented in the help site, and has links on the download page. It's obviouse.
[05:17] <linuxkid2> AAA: just buck up and install libxine-extracodecs from one of the disabled repos or use XMMS.
[05:18] <AAA> hehe, no big deal.  I just wanted to pitch in my $.02  My lappy HDD died and I am just using the live-cd until tomorrow.  I very well know...TIMTOWTDI
[05:19] <AAA> root  DON'T IRC AS ROOT
[05:20] <intelikey> root ?
[05:20] <dennister> hey, i had to irc as ubuntu once...i couldn't bootup and was in livecd mode
[05:20] <BonBonTheJon> AAA: there is no one named root
[05:21] <AAA> (22:19) +|+ root [n=root@89.152.104.67]  has quit [Remote closed the connection
[05:21] <AAA> scroll up
[05:21] <intelikey> BonBonTheJon there was.
[05:21] <intelikey> -:- root [n=root@89.152.104.67]  has joined #kubuntu  &&  -:- SignOff root: #kubuntu (Remote closed the connection)
[05:22] <BonBonTheJon> AAA: not any more, lol
[05:22] <AAA> p0wn3d
[05:22] <flaccid> a sysadmin
[05:22] <intelikey> </whistels inocently>
[05:22] <zakame> hi all
[05:23] <AAA> hehe, or the box in a dosnet...
[05:23] <AAA> s/the box/the new box/
[05:24] <intelikey> aaa that's the network i usually connect to   the DoS net  :)
[05:24] <AAA> :)
[05:25] <shriphani> how do i install rox in kubuntu ?
[05:25] <AAA> sudo apt-get install rox ?
[05:25] <shriphani> the rox desktop that is
[05:25] <shriphani> i will get the entire desktop ?
[05:26] <AAA> apt-cache search rox first
[05:26] <AAA> see what is available, you _may_ have to enable multiverse
[05:26] <shriphani> i have enabled it
[05:27] <AAA> yeah, enable univers and sudo apt-get install rox-filer
[05:28] <shriphani> then i can use it by selecting session at splash screen cant i ?
[05:28] <AAA> only played with rox once
[05:29] <AAA> I just know how to install stuff =p
[05:29] <AAA> looks like you have to add multiverse to the sources.list in order to get extracodecs...
[05:30] <ncaller> with Gnome-terminal (maybe I'm thinking of just X-term) you can do Ctrl+Shift+(+/-) to enlarge the terminal window but it also enlarges the font keeping the perception in sync as well.  I would love to achieve the same effect with some kind of hotkey combo in konsole.  Anyone know of a way to do this?
[05:31] <AAA> hrm.  installed libxine-extracodecs and restarted amarok and still no sound
[05:31] <intelikey> there doesn't seem to be any "rox" package  what's the correct name ?
[05:31] <ncaller> rox the file manager?
 the rox desktop that is
[05:32] <intelikey> rox-filer is the name of the file manager
[05:32] <bioticpro> How can I enter interactive boot setup in Ubuntu?  (tried hitting "I" , didn't work)
[05:32] <ncaller> rox-filer
[05:32] <shriphani> ok downloaded rox-filer now to try it
[05:33] <intelikey> bioticpro is there an option for that ?
[05:33] <shriphani> brb
[05:33] <bioticpro> intelikey: in Linux there is, but I have not found that in ubuntu boot yet
[05:33] <bioticpro> maybe there is a way to turn that on at the bootloader screen?
[05:33] <intelikey> bioticpro hehhe i keep forgetting that *buntu isn't linux  sorry.
[05:34] <bioticpro> intelikey: yesh, ubuntu is linux, -tweaked
[05:34] <bioticpro> some good tweaks, some bad
[05:34] <intelikey> bioticpro no.  it's in option in one of the init scripts of some linux distros.
[05:35] <intelikey> and linux is the kernel.
[05:35] <bioticpro> yeah
[05:35] <intelikey> all 77m of it.
[05:36] <bioticpro> intelikey: so do you know of a way to enter interactive setup in ubuntu?  my computer stops partway through bootup, and no way to fix without reinstalling
[05:36] <intelikey> bioticpro but aside from all that. what is the desired end result ?
[05:36] <bioticpro> unless I can skip the part in bootup that is stopping the boot
[05:36] <bioticpro> the desired result is to skip loading certain drivers that are messed up
[05:36] <shriphani> this is me from flux :)
[05:37] <bioticpro> right now I can't even get to a command prompt
[05:37] <shriphani> and flux i have begun liking
[05:38] <intelikey> bioticpro boot with   init=/bin/bash    and remount the root fs rw then tweek the startup process and remount ro reboot
[05:38] <AAA> hrm. amarok still won't play anything, but xine will... this is just too much.  now I am on a mission to make it work.  i won't use it once i make it work, it's the principle of the matter...
[05:38] <intelikey> or use a live cd    prolly easier and safer
[05:38] <AAA> bioticpro  <ctrl> <alt> F1
[05:38] <faked_> Heeey guys, I can't get audio to play on youtube, but video plays just fine. Anyone know what the problem might be?
[05:38] <flaccid> AAA: so whats the error
[05:38] <AAA> bioticpro  that will give you a term
[05:38] <AAA> flaccid  no error, it plays and all just no sound
[05:39] <AAA> flaccid  work with xine or xmms or I am sure mplayer if I install it
[05:39] <flaccid> AAA: run it from konsole and see if you get error output
[05:39] <intelikey> bioticpro do you know what it is that's hanging the box ?
[05:39] <bioticpro> intelikey: yes, finding/loading firmware for a video card
[05:40] <intelikey> bioticpro so it's ati drivers ?
[05:40] <intelikey> or no ?
[05:41] <bioticpro> intelikey: no, hauppage
[05:41] <bioticpro> they became corrupted when I was having powersupply issues
[05:41] <bioticpro> at least that is my theory
[05:42] <faked_> Heeey guys, I can't get audio to play on youtube, but video plays just fine. Anyone know what the problem might be?
[05:42] <intelikey> ah   eather way you should be able to remove the symlink from from /etc/rc3.d/   that starts your dm  and  then boot with     3   appended to the boot line to get a console login and a way to work on it.
[05:43] <AAA> flaccid  hrm.  I ran it from the cli after I killed the gui and it just returned a prompt to me.  Then I looked at the ps
[05:43] <AAA> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ ps aux|grep amarok
[05:43] <AAA> ubuntu    6735  1.5  3.4 129516 35536 ?        Sl   01:28   2:02 /usr/lib/amarok/amarokapp
[05:43] <AAA> ubuntu    6739  0.0  0.7  26384  8132 ?        S    01:29   0:00 kio_file [kdeinit]  file /tmp/ksocket-ubuntu/klauncherKO6UBb.slave-socket /tmp/ksocket-ubuntu/amarokU21mca.slave-socket
[05:43] <flaccid> AAA: if you don't have anything important amarok config wise. remove ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok and  ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc  and try starting it again
[05:43] <AAA> ubuntu    8208  0.0  0.9  51968  9416 ?        S    03:30   0:00 kio_http [kdeinit]  http /tmp/ksocket-ubuntu/klauncherKO6UBb.slave-socket /tmp/ksocket-ubuntu/amarokcvWhfa.slave-socket
[05:43] <AAA> I found those and killed them and ran amarok <url> and it is working
[05:43] <flaccid> ok
[05:43] <flaccid> so you prolly had a pid conflict or something
[05:44] <flaccid> all good AAA?
[05:44] <AAA> dunno ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ ps aux|grep amarok
[05:44] <AAA> ubuntu    6735  1.5  3.4 129516 35536 ?        Sl   01:28   2:02 /usr/lib/amarok/amarokapp
[05:44] <AAA> ubuntu    6739  0.0  0.7  26384  8132 ?        S    01:29   0:00 kio_file [kdeinit]  file /tmp/ksocket-ubuntu/klauncherKO6UBb.slave-socket /tmp/ksocket-ubuntu/amarokU21mca.slave-socket
[05:44] <AAA> ubuntu    8208  0.0  0.9  51968  9416 ?        S    03:30   0:00 kio_http [kdeinit]  http /tmp/ksocket-ubuntu/klauncherKO6UBb.slave-socket /tmp/ksocket-ubuntu/amarokcvWhfa.slave-socket
[05:44] <flaccid> !paste > AAA
[05:44] <bioticpro> intelikey: I don't really need the hauppage, its a TV card, not my primamry video, so I can boot without it
[05:44] <flaccid> don't paste
[05:44] <AAA> oops sorry, I didn't mean to do that
[05:45] <AAA> really
[05:45] <shriphani> now i need lightweight appps for fluxbox
[05:45] <flaccid> AAA: so do you have any problems? or is it all done?
[05:45] <AAA> I am just getting used to this thinkpad, there is a middle button right by my space bar
[05:45] <shriphani> not the k things
[05:45] <faked_> Heeey guys, I can't get audio to play on youtube, but video plays just fine. Anyone know what the problem might be?
[05:45] <n8k99> flaccid: are you guys working out a prob with amarok?
[05:45] <flaccid> n8k99: was
[05:45] <shriphani> faked_: youtube uses flash ?
[05:45] <faked_> yeah i know
[05:46] <AAA> flaccid  well, it still leaves lots of zombies after I kill the gui app.  but that is an amarok deal not a kubuntu deal. except that kubuntu ships with broken software
[05:46] <n8k99> flaccid: does it have to do with the sound system dropping out after a few minutes
[05:46] <Hawkwind> !youtube sound
[05:46] <ubotu> If you aren't getting sound while watching videos on youtube then please read this URL: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1087994
[05:46] <shriphani> i remember having heard of flash issues in ubuntu
[05:46] <bioticpro> intelikey: so how do I exactly edit the line in the bootloader so I am able to skip loading that tvcard firmware?
[05:46] <Hawkwind> faked_: ^^^^^^^^^^^^
[05:46] <flaccid> n8k99: no
[05:46] <shriphani> Hawkwind: gimme a few lightweight apps for irc
[05:46] <flaccid> AAA: what is a zombie. why do you think its broken?
[05:46] <n8k99> flaccid: oh ok so I have a different prob then
[05:46] <faked_> There are, but why wouldn't the sound work if the video works?
[05:47] <flaccid> faked_: could be a lock on the soundcard by another app
[05:47] <faked_> Yeah but audio for other stuff works
[05:47] <intelikey> bioticpro not sure that you can,  but try just appending    single
[05:47] <Hawkwind> shriphani: Huh ?
[05:47] <shriphani> any lightweight app for irc
[05:47] <intelikey> that should get you a root console from which you can work on the system.
[05:47] <flaccid> faked_: some programs require full lock on the card
[05:47] <shriphani> not konservation
[05:48] <shriphani> or is it konversation
[05:48] <Hawkwind> shriphani: GUI - Xchat, CLI - irssi
[05:48] <shriphani> xcht its gtk time then
[05:48] <shriphani> is qt really hated so much ?
[05:48] <intelikey> Hawkwind now do me one.   take over bioticpro's  issue for me.  i need to run.
[05:49] <ErikTheRed> hopefully this is a simple question. How can i change the password for a wallet?
[05:49] <bioticpro> intelikey: thx :)
[05:49] <flaccid> ErikTheRed: kwallet
[05:50] <intelikey> Hawkwind he's got a driver for a tv card that hangs the system.  needs help booting and removing the driver.
[05:50] <intelikey> bioticpro see Hawkwind.    i need to go.   luck with it.
[05:50] <ErikTheRed> well the thing is for my wallet i set the password to the wrong thing and i'm not sure how to change it
[05:50] <ErikTheRed> even through kwallet i can't figure it out
[05:51] <bioticpro> Hawkwind: Hello, so my first thing is what to append to the bootloader line to allow me to get a prompt to fix things
[05:51] <AAA> flaccid  a zombie process (man ps) a process that doesn't have a parent.  It is broken because you can not click on a radio.pls and have it work, you have to kill off all the Z processes before it will work.  plus to use the radio (mp3 streams) that it comes with by default, you not only have to uncomment two lines in your /etc/apt/souces.list but you have to append multiverse to the end of both and then upgrade and install the extra crap.  that is what I me
[05:52] <flaccid> but you don't have any zombie processes
[05:53] <flaccid> and mp3 is not free, thats why you have to install the extra codecs
[05:53] <flaccid> i don't see any issue here at all..
[05:53] <AAA> you are so missing my point
[05:53] <flaccid> what is your point?
[05:53] <AAA> amarok is the default player for shoutcast playlist.  it comes with streams installed by default that it can not by default play
[05:53] <AAA> THAT is my poinht
[05:54] <flaccid> was it an mp3 stream?
[05:54] <AAA> it is what was installed in the default playlist on the live cd
[05:54] <AAA> I understand what you are saying. I know the fraunhauser whoever corp owns the mp3 codec. that is not my point at all
[05:54] <flaccid> oh i guess i don't have that
[05:55] <AAA> the kubuntu install cd is the kubuntu live cd
[05:55] <AAA> am I in the right #channel?
[05:55] <ErikTheRed> hmm for some reason kwalletmanager won't work
[05:55] <flaccid> AAA: paste me the contents of this playlist in question?
[05:55] <AAA> flaccid  you are obviously not a developer of kubuntu
[05:55] <flaccid> AAA: why did you assume i was???
[05:56] <AAA> are there any contributers around that understand what I am trying to convey?
[05:56] <AAA> I sure never did
[05:56] <flaccid> i understand what you are conveying
[05:56] <flaccid> but you don't know why it didn't play
[05:56] <flaccid> you cannot make this conclusion!
[05:56] <AAA> correct.
[05:57] <flaccid> so i'm trying to find out if this default playlist links to an mp3 or not
[05:57] <AAA> if you are using kubuntu and didn't remove amarok, you have the same pls I do
[05:57] <AAA> open it and look
[05:57] <flaccid> location of it?
[05:57] <n8k99> AAA: was this a demux error or did the stream just not play at all
[05:57] <AAA> amarok, the default audio player
[05:57] <flaccid> i don't have a default.pls
[05:57] <AAA> n8k99  no errors, the eq works, just no sound
[05:58] <n8k99> AAA:some of the streams that are included within that playlist of channels are mp3 streams
[05:58] <flaccid> what does the default.pls link to ? a local file or an internet stream?
[05:58] <Squatch> How would I go about sharing some files so that Windows users can see/change them?
[05:58] <n8k99> AAA:what was the specific channel?
[05:58] <Squatch> (Over my network...)
[05:59] <flaccid> AAA: is it ok if you paste the contents of default.pls to me in pm. open it in a text editor and copy the text?
[05:59] <AAA> I tried most of the ones in the default
[05:59] <bimberi> ubotu tell squatch about samba
[06:01] <AAA> jeez, quit amarok and start again, CRASH which launches kmail....
[06:01] <flaccid> AAA: you ignoring me now?
[06:01] <AAA> hol
[06:01] <AAA> d
[06:02] <bioticpro> Hawkwind: are you still here?
[06:06] <kane_> Hi i have a package that i wish to remove but apt-get wishes to remove all of XORG and ubuntu-desktop to do so.   It is not a package that should have this requirement.  Its just the nvidia-beta drivers.
[06:06] <kane_> is there a force remove?
[06:07] <Admiral_Chicago> kane_: -f remove
[06:08] <AAA> be careful. don't think you know more about the pkg mgmt system than dselect
[06:08] <kane_> well, dselct wants to remove all of xorg to get rid of  linux-restricted-modules
[06:08] <AAA> you can sometimes 'pin' and application so it is never upgraded or removed
[06:09] <AAA> kane_  be very careful
[06:09] <kane_> AAA: thanks, im not trying to blow it up
[06:09] <AAA> sounds like you just want to remove the linux-restricted-nvidia-whatever?
[06:10] <kane_> yeah
[06:10] <kane_> pretty much
[06:10] <kane_> but i installed a customer one
[06:10] <AAA> is that the apt-get remove line you give it?
[06:10] <kane_> that apperntly isnt made correctly
[06:10] <kane_> sudo apt-get --purge remove linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` linux-restricted-modules-common nvidia-glx nvidia-settings nvidia-kernel-common
[06:10] <Admiral_Chicago> i think it's just sayning it will remove it, but i don't think that will really happen
[06:10] <AAA> kane_  kane_ ah, just remove the 1st linux-
[06:11] <AAA> that is why it wants to remove xorg
[06:11] <kane_> because -f is Attempt to continue if the integrity check fails
[06:11] <kane_> yeah, ive tried it alot of ways, thats command is from the ubuntu wiki
[06:12] <kane_> that does the same
[06:12] <AAA> try it without the linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[06:12] <Evil> hi could someone tell me if kubuntu will work on my powerbook g4 with out being able to boot osx?
[06:12] <n8k99> Evil: I have kubuntu solo on a TiPowerBook
[06:13] <Evil> could i burn kubuntu on a windows machine and have it boot on my mac?
[06:13] <n8k99> Evil: yes, you just have to be certain that you are burning a PowerPC iso
[06:13] <flaccid> sure Evil
[06:13] <kane_> heh, it would like to kill   linux-386*
[06:14] <Evil> im currently downloading kubuntu 6.06.1 desktop-powerpc.iso is this the right one?
[06:14] <n8k99> yes
[06:14] <flaccid> yeah that looks right
[06:14] <Evil> cool thanks ill give it a shot:)
[06:16] <Evil> whats a good program to use to burn this iso? would nero work?
[06:17] <flaccid> should do
[06:17] <flaccid> its just the arch thats different not the image
[06:19] <bronaugh> ok, does anyone know why a netboot install of kubuntu would install ubuntu?
[06:19] <bronaugh> 6.06/amd64.
[06:20] <dennister> hi again pps
[06:20] <dennister> anyone need some help with multimedia?
[06:21] <dennister> <-------a noob who's gotten lots of help, can help with some things
[06:21] <flaccid> <---- a bigger noob
[06:21] <dennister> heheheh...i doubt it
[06:22] <dennister> i just got frostwire up and running...i'm being searched ;D
[06:22] <flaccid> haha
[06:23] <dennister> but i guess no one wants what I'm willing to share at this point
[06:23] <flaccid> what ya got
[06:24] <dennister> 3 albums i recently ripped: Sarah Brihtman, Leonard Cohen, and Joshua Tree
[06:24] <dennister> <--------likes opera, but doesn't have a lot yet
[06:24] <flaccid> what does that have to do with help?
[06:24] <flaccid> opera has heaps..
[06:25] <dennister> sorry....i haven't seen anyone requesting tech/kubuntu help yet since i came back online
[06:26] <n8k99> dennister:my amarok keeps crashing alsa
[06:26] <dennister> frostwire seems easy, so that's good, but i don't think it supports drag and drop
[06:26] <dennister> ah..ok n8k99; ur using the alsa engine?
[06:27] <dennister> or xine?
[06:27] <flaccid> there is an alsa engine??
[06:27] <n8k99> um, xine sorry
[06:27] <dennister> but it's crashing alsa?
[06:28] <flaccid> alsa is a sound system, not an engine :)
[06:28] <n8k99> sorry- amarok is crashing system sound
[06:28] <dennister> flaccid: ur right...have u ever got it working yet n8k99?
[06:29] <n8k99> yes and as long as i do not open anything else or change desktops it works
[06:29] <flaccid> n8k99: #amarok might be of more help
[06:29] <dennister> n8k99: oh dear: I've found that using the settings in kscd actually supports amarok well
[06:29] <n8k99> hmm... ok
[06:30] <dennister> if u can get kscd going, ur on the way to amarok working well
[06:30] <flaccid> wt
[06:30] <flaccid> amarok works well out of the box..
[06:31] <flaccid> what is kscd and how does it help amarok?
[06:31] <dennister> it's in kscd's settings, go to 'extras' configure settings, and in the cdrom device, choose direct digtal playback
[06:31] <trappist> it's for playing audio cds
[06:31] <flaccid> and that fixes amarok how dennister?
[06:31] <dennister> i know, but i had a devil of a time getting my sound going
[06:32] <flaccid> right
[06:32] <dennister> u have to fiddle with the digital playback to get the sound server working optimally
[06:32] <flaccid> well kscd aint going to help
[06:32] <flaccid> no you don't ...
[06:32] <flaccid> for you maybe
[06:32] <dennister> kscd will help if ur having trouble with amarok...it's supposed to work out of the box, but doesn't always
[06:32] <flaccid> n8k99: is kde sound system enabled?
[06:33] <flaccid> dennister: how does it help?
[06:33] <n8k99> flaccid: yes sound system is enabled -
[06:33] <dennister> by choosing the correct audio backend
[06:33] <n8k99> i enable it and then start amarok
[06:34] <n8k99> amarok plays - then I think its gonna act nicely and let me do some work too
[06:34] <dennister> my system still wants to use my usb mike as the default sound driver :-(
[06:34] <dennister> lol
[06:34] <flaccid> dennister: that does not do anything for amarok
[06:35] <n8k99> dennister:am i supposed to deselect digital playback for kscd?
[06:35] <dennister> it supports the sound system backend
[06:35] <dennister> no
[06:35] <flaccid> errr
[06:35] <flaccid> you don't even know what sound system he is using...
[06:35] <flaccid> gosh this shits me
[06:35] <n8k99> right, then kscd does not have anything to do with my amarok settings
[06:35] <dennister> but you may have to find the right dsp module to use 2 fields down
[06:36] <dennister> ok...ignore me
[06:36] <faked_> is there any software for linux that converts mp3s to .wavs?
[06:36] <dennister> yes...find out about lame
[06:36] <faked_> ?
[06:37] <dennister> lame is a codec that you can use to rip cd's, but it also works to convert files from one format to another
[06:37] <faked_> okay
[06:37] <dennister> download it, as well as the ogg vorbis
[06:37] <faked_> why the ogg vorbis?
[06:38] <dennister> they could be encoders actually...not sure...if u rip cd's with KAudioCreator, you'll need at least one decoder
[06:39] <dennister> both lame and ogg vorbis are 2 of the 3 choices...lame is for mp3's
[06:39] <faked_> I don't need to rip CD's, just convert mp3s >_>
[06:39] <dennister> k...but if you do a search in synaptic or adept, you'll probably find lame associated with file converters
[06:40] <dennister> like what ur after
[06:40] <faked_> ...just converting mp3s to wavs so I can put 'em on a CD >_>
[06:40] <faked_> Pretty simple really. Windows has a program called dBPoweramp, but I'm on linux here >_>
[06:40] <dennister> so u need a converter
[06:40] <faked_> Yeah, that's what I said
[06:41] <faked_> Honestly, I need my ipod fixed, but I need music for TOMORROW, so I'm goin' CD-style
[06:41] <dennister> yes, my son uses winamp, probably much like dbpoweramp
[06:41] <faked_> Yeah winamp can do it but it's a lot more confusing, dbpoweramp's just pick a song and hit convert
[06:41] <faked_> but...I'm on linux here >_>
[06:42] <dennister> i know what u mean, i'm still a noob and my windows is shot
[06:42] <faked_> Well I have a windows...but the music I want is on here and I'm too lazy to switch it over
[06:42] <dennister> my disk1 has a physical crack in it and i'm waiting for media replacement
[06:42] <faked_> I see
[06:43] <dennister> i don't switch over, i just access the windows files on my other partitions from linux
[06:43] <faked_> I'd just use my iPod but for some reason, it won't read the music on it. Like, I can load it as a disk, and all my music is on the ipod controls, but the ipod itsself doesn't read the music or video folder
[06:43] <dennister> i have no intention of duplicating music, videos, films, etc. on 2 OS's
[06:44] <faked_> well I have linux on this comp, windows on another. Running windows on this one never worked out too well >_>
[06:44] <dennister> check out what you've already got for music progs, you might have something that will do the conversions
[06:44] <faked_> I've been lookin' but I haven't found much
[06:45] <faked_> amaroK looks like it might do it I just need to figure out how >_>
[06:45] <dennister> it might...there's a wonderful howto about how to do file conversions during the ripping process
[06:46] <dennister> hold on
[06:46] <Evil> could someone help me install kubuntu on my powerbook in pm please? :)
[06:46] <faked_> Evil::I'm kinda new at linux but I MIGHT know a little bit about it...
[06:47] <n8k99> evil: have you run the livecd in your powerbook yet?
[06:47] <Evil> yes all i get is the wheel of death :(
[06:47] <dennister> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/sound/kaudiocreator
[06:47] <n8k99> huh? the spinning beach ball?
[06:47] <dennister> that tells you right away that kAdudioCreator will convert files from mp3 and to it
[06:48] <dennister> it works together with amarok
[06:48] <dennister> oops!
[06:48] <dennister> no, it works together with konqueror
[06:48] <faked_> ooh
[06:48] <Evil> well kinda osx wont boot so all i get is the gray apple and a small wheel underneath was hopeing kubuntu could get past that so i could install it
[06:48] <dennister> and the encoders to do music file conversions
[06:49] <n8k99> Evil: ok reboot and hold down the command-option-P-R keys
[06:49] <dennister> it's actually much easier than it seemed to me when I first tried it
[06:49] <Evil> ok
[06:49] <zeck> oi sou brasileiro, alguem fala portugues?
[06:49] <n8k99> Evil:it will reboot while you are doing that, then hold down the 'c'
[06:49] <n8k99> it should boot from teh CD then
[06:50] <faked_> ooh snap I could make 'em FLAC files >_>
[06:50] <Evil> trying it now
[06:50] <faked_> but those wouldn't work on a CD would they?
[06:50] <dennister> n8k99: I'm sorry about earlier
[06:50] <dennister> not that i know of faked
[06:50] <n8k99> dennister:no problem
[06:50] <Evil> i did that it made the chime sound and rebooted held down the c key and im back to the wheel of death
[06:51] <Evil> i hear the cd spinning but shows nothing on the screen
[06:51] <n8k99> Evil:so it's the white screen and the cpu is trying to boot OSX
[06:51] <dennister> n8k99:  i just struggled so much with my sound system, and that's how i finally got it working, using kscd to get the sound server working properly...i know they're separate things, and separate from amarok
[06:51] <Evil> yup
[06:52] <dennister> but amarok was giving me trouble at first 2...oh well
[06:52] <faked_> dennister this looks like it'll only work with files on a CD
[06:52] <dennister> there are better tech support ppl in here than I
[06:52] <faked_> What I"m trying to do is make files that are on my computer .wav files so that I CAN put them on a CD
[06:52] <dennister> faked; keep reading the howto in the link i told u about
[06:53] <n8k99> Evil:is your osx working at all? do you have an osx cd? i had to reinstall osx, then install kubuntuafter that
[06:53] <dennister> yes, but it's the same process faked, just backward
[06:53] <dennister> if u have the encoders installed, u can access them for toehr progs, too
[06:53] <dennister> <------should quit while she's ahead
[06:54] <Evil> n8k99 check pm
[06:54] <dennister> serpentine is a cd creator i have here, but i haven't used it yet
[06:55] <dennister> it looks very simple, but is more of a burner i think...not a converter
[06:56] <Brydenn33> is there a way to "clear" something from configing so i can use Adept Manager again?
[06:56] <Brydenn33> i tried installing some libraries and they had dependency problems
[06:56] <Brydenn33> so i just wanna get rid of 'em
[06:56] <n8k99> evil:i have also cycled the process several times, CMD-OPT-P-R then C then C
[06:56] <dennister> brydden33: yes,
[06:57] <Evil> press c after the chime and hold? or press it 2 times?
[06:57] <Brydenn33> dennister: ok, what do i need to do :)
[06:57] <dennister> u have to go into the installers' cache and clear it from that
[06:57] <Evil> i dont have my osx cd's thats why im trying to install kubuntu cause i cant repair osx with out the cd's
[06:57] <Brydenn33> dennister: how do i do that?
[06:57] <dennister> i had to go into dpkg's cache a couple of times, clearing progs from there let me use blocked installers
[06:58] <dennister> are there any apps blocking further downloads from adept?
[06:58] <Brydenn33> no
[06:59] <dennister> k, what was happening b4 adept stopped working?
[06:59] <n8k99> evil:i hold it down for about thirty to four seconds, if it takes  you back to WOD, then retry again
[06:59] <Evil> ok
[06:59] <Brydenn33> dennister: like i said, i was trying to install some libraries i downloaded from the web
[06:59] <Brydenn33> they had dependency problems and never fully configured because of that
[07:00] <Brydenn33> no Adept Manager wont run
[07:00] <n8k99> evil:after three or four attempts do teh P-R trick again
[07:00] <Brydenn33> tells me to run apt-setup or apt-get update
[07:00] <Brydenn33> and that doesnt work
[07:00] <dennister> i scrolled up...now adept isn't working...that's why i originally thought other badly-installed apps were blocking adept
[07:00] <Brydenn33> oh ok
[07:00] <n8k99> evil: before retrying- it's sort of like popping the clutch to start the car on a hill
[07:00] <Brydenn33> yah sorry
[07:01] <Evil> n8k99 can this be done from singleuser mode?
[07:01] <Brydenn33> dennister: so what should i do now?
[07:01] <dennister> try going sudo remove --purge <your binaries filename's>
[07:01] <Brydenn33> uhm i already deleted the .debs i was trying to install
[07:02] <n8k99> evil: you are still trying to get the cpu to boot from cd right?
[07:02] <Evil> yes
[07:02] <Evil> nothing so far
[07:02] <dennister> ok, use kong to go into the cache's of your varioous intallers to see if those binaries are still there
[07:02] <dennister> they could be blocking adept
[07:03] <bLaZeD> what package do i need to keep my system clock synced up...i rebooted to windows now my time says its 10:02 but its actualy 1 am i think....
[07:03] <Evil> i used magic iso to burn the cd made it bootable is that allright? or should i re-burn with different software?
[07:03] <dennister> bLaZeD: i use ntp and ntp simple
[07:03] <n8k99> evil: you can reburn - make sure it is the most dependable settings
[07:03] <dennister> that will keep your clock synced with the internet
[07:03] <Brydenn33> dennister: sudo remove doenst even work!
[07:04] <bLaZeD> dennister, to synce it what do u hit?
[07:04] <Brydenn33> brydenn@c-67-169-218-218:~$ sudo remove --purge libfontconfig1
[07:04] <Brydenn33> sudo: remove: command not found
[07:04] <bLaZeD> or rather what command do u run
[07:04] <dennister> sorry...it's apt-get remove --purge <app>
[07:04] <n8k99> also try burning a copy of breezy badger, as it has a different install prog that woks dif
[07:04] <Evil> im not to good with burning iso's is there any user friendly software i can use that will make this bootable cd?
[07:04] <numenus> use aptitude instead of apt - it handles the dependencies much better
[07:04] <n8k99> i dont know much about M$ stuff
[07:05] <dennister> bLaZeD:  ntp and ntp simple are daemons u download with synaptic
[07:05] <Evil> should i burn it as apple hfs+ ?
[07:05] <dennister> Brydenn33: numerous is right
[07:05] <bLaZeD> dennister, ahh k got ya....i had ntp installing ntp-simple now
[07:05] <n8k99> evil: no as an iso
[07:06] <shriphani> Evil: k3b ?
[07:06] <Evil> the one is burnt is iso 9660 and joilet
[07:06] <dennister> i just haven't used aptitude yet
[07:06] <Evil> k3b? whats that
[07:06] <Brydenn33> what is aptitude?
[07:06] <shriphani> an app
[07:06] <Brydenn33> is it a gui installer like Adept Manager?
[07:06] <dennister> but i'd read about it being better for dependencies...
[07:06] <n8k99> shriphat: he hasn't been able to install kubuntu onto his pb yet
[07:06] <shriphani> Brydenn33: its like apt-get
[07:06] <shriphani> oh n8k99
[07:06] <dennister> <----------needs to start using aptituude; note to self
[07:06] <numenus> no, its a command line package manager - like apt, just better
[07:09] <numenus> has anyone upgraded to edgy? I'm thinking of installing it...
[07:09] <dennister> <-----needs a good graphical filesharing program
[07:09] <bLaZeD> dennister, ive installed both of those....the ntp-server seems to be running...but it hasent changed my time its still the wrong time
[07:10] <dennister> bLaZeD: have u tried right-clicking the clock applet?
[07:10] <n8k99> numenus: i am running edgy
[07:10] <Evil> should this iso be burnt as iso level 2 windows/unix ? or level 1 dos ?
[07:11] <n8k99> level 2
[07:11] <Evil> or iso 9960
[07:11] <bLaZeD> dennister, im in fluxbox not kde...so right clicking the time doesnt do/show the same stuff i dont think
[07:11] <n8k99> oh iso 9960
[07:11] <bLaZeD> dennister, maby i will try to go into kde and give it a shot in a few
[07:11] <dennister> oh i c, i really like kde...and this is (K)ubuntu
[07:12] <dennister> at first i thought i like gnome better, but not now
[07:12] <numenus> dennister: I was using gnome up until last night, and thought I liked it better too
[07:13] <numenus> dennister: there are things about gnome I like, but kde just gives many more optsion for tweaking
[07:13] <numenus> n8k99_: so, how is edgy? run into many problems during the upgrade?
[07:14] <n8k99_> numenus: it's very nice - am having trouble with amarok right now
[07:14] <dennister> numenus: exactly
[07:14] <n8k99_> numenus: also when I poweron, have to restart the x server before I can sign into kdm
[07:14] <ke> Unfortunately it's a never ending discussion :( I can't decide either
[07:14] <n8k99_> numenus: i actually did a clean install
[07:14] <ke> But then again, competition is a good thing :)
[07:15] <numenus> n8k99_: hmm - perhaps I'd better wait... I've just got XGL/Beryl running nicely on dapper
[07:15] <dennister> after windows (and esp if you had trouble installing ur first distro), u think you like a clean-looking desktop...and long for simplicity
[07:16] <n8k99_> numenus: compositing as is built into kde works really nicely
[07:16] <dennister> but then you need to actually start configuring and working with it...most instructions are for kde apps
[07:16] <n8k99_> numenus: http://eckenrodehouse.net/images/worldview.png
[07:16] <n8k99_> numenus: some tweaks to my desktop in edgy
[07:17] <dennister> numerous, do u know a good bitlord-like app?
[07:17] <coreymon77> gnight everyone
[07:17] <numenus> dennister: no, sorry I do not
[07:18] <coreymon77> dennister, btw, azureus or ktorrent work just fine
[07:18] <dennister> i've got frostwire working here, and it was pretty easy, but...doesn't seem to support the drag-n-drop of stuff i've found via google
[07:18] <coreymon77> goodnight everyone!
[07:18] <dennister> night coreymon77
[07:18] <n8k99> gn!
[07:18] <numenus> gnite
[07:18] <dennister> azureus was giving me trouble
[07:18] <coreymon77> cya all tomorrow
[07:18] <dennister> i had it working well in windows
[07:19] <numenus> n8k99_: well, my connection is creeping - your screenshot is still loading ;D
[07:19] <dennister> ktorrent starts and stalls...doesn't actually download for more than a few seconds
[07:21] <n8k99> numenus:sorry about that- it's a large screenshot - I should just make that a webpage instead
[07:21] <numenus> n8k99: heh, well it looks nice anyway
[07:21] <zam> how to install mplayer and the wine32 codecss and some other importing things pleases ?
[07:22] <bronaugh> you don't really need the win32 codecs so much now.
[07:23] <zam> bronaugh:  i do and i need mplayer also ?
[07:23] <bronaugh> well, it's part of the multiverse or universe afaik... did you choose to use those when you installed?
[07:23] <bronaugh> if you did, mplayer should be in there.
[07:24] <bronaugh> dunno about the win32 codecs -- but as I said, not so necessary now. fortunately there's libraries like ffmpeg that play nearly anything.
[07:24] <zam> bronaugh: i remember i link inubuntu about sutch problime bu i cant remmember where ?
[07:25] <numenus> dennister: are you a recent convert from windows?
[07:26] <n8k99> numenus:great thanks
[07:26] <bronaugh> zam: not sure how you add it after install on ubuntu... new to ubuntu.
[07:27] <bronaugh> in Debian I'd just abuse it into /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:27] <xoma> Hello
[07:27] <zam> bronaugh: it is the same i juse need the surcess for things like that
[07:28] <xoma> Where can i find information about setuping samba+ldap?
[07:28] <o1ng0b01ng0> anyone know how to permanantly change resolv.conf?
[07:28] <bronaugh> zam: don't know offhand; not on a ubuntu machine right now.
[07:28] <dennister> gnight all
[07:28] <unix_infidel> is there any word on when python-2.5 will be available for ubuntu.
[07:28] <o1ng0b01ng0> I have to keep restting the dam thing to my nameservers
[07:29] <CVirus> o1ng0b01ng0: edit this file /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[07:29] <o1ng0b01ng0> k
[07:31] <o1ng0b01ng0> I'll have to read up on that file before I go messing with it
[07:32] <numenus> zam: go here for install steps  --- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer
[07:32] <derekS> can someone help me figure out how to get remote X to work?
[07:33] <numenus> zam: and click the restrictedformats link and it shows how to install w32codecs
[07:43] <Brydenn33> ok i'm still having a problem
[07:44] <Brydenn33> my libfontconfig1 is BROKEN (installed)
[07:44] <Brydenn33> and so is my libfontconfig1-dev
[07:44] <Brydenn33> how do i fix it?
[07:48] <komputer> yyyyyyyyyyyyyru
[07:48] <numenus> Brydenn33: maybe try removing and reinstalling -- "sudo aptitude remove" <package name(s)> -- then do --- "sudo aptitude install" <package name(s)> --
[07:49] <Brydenn33> ok numenus
[07:51] <Brydenn33> numenus: SWEET! it worked :)
[07:52] <numenus> Brydenn33: great :D
[07:53] <Brydenn33> so what's so great about aptitude now? it does better with dependencies how?
[07:54] <bimberi> !aptitude
[07:54] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[07:55] <Brydenn33> hmm well why dont they make a GUI for that?
[07:55] <Brydenn33> seems like it would be pretty beneficial to the user
[07:55] <numenus> well, I suppose it would be - but there a lot of useful tools that are command line only
[07:55] <numenus> go figure :D
[07:55] <Brydenn33> ya i know. but i dont like having to type all the damn time haha
[07:56] <Brydenn33> i'd rather click a few options and have it do everything it needs to
[07:56] <Brydenn33> instead of spelling it out in commands
[07:56] <numenus> well, start writing the code for an aptitude gui :D
[07:56] <Brydenn33> haha ;) right
[07:56] <Brydenn33> if i could i would
[07:56] <aridity|Kub> hmm, which directory should I install irssi to?
[08:03] <numenus> alright... goodnight everyone
[08:06] <zam> i dont know what the hell hapning to me guyes so pleases help the video is shown but i get no sownt sound at all ?
[08:18] <charlie5> hi
[08:18] <charlie5> what adept packages would i need to get konqeror to load 'flash' pages ?
[08:22] <pete> i ran into a problem with adept on the new beta:
[08:23] <pete> i was letting my machine update, but i came up with an error halfway thru the install, i tried to restart the program but apparently there is a process running in the background
[08:24] <pete> that is using adept or apt get or something
[08:24] <pete> rebooting didn't help either, any ideas?
[08:25] <Empiric> hi all
[08:25] <Empiric> i have implement kiosk too, in my kubuntu user
[08:25] <Empiric> its doing wired things
[08:26] <Empiric> i delete all things from my K menu except internet and office and kmail
[08:26] <Empiric> but am seeing utilities and system seetings though
[08:26] <Empiric> any idea
[08:26] <Empiric> ?
[08:27] <pete> hmm
[08:27] <pete> did you right-click on the icon and select menu editor?/
[08:29] <pete> that work for you empiric?
[08:29] <Empiric> yes but not completely
[08:30] <Empiric> i delerte all things from l menu
[08:30] <pavel> cau je tu nejakej cech nebo ceska???
[08:30] <sF|Xemanth^> :q
[08:30] <sF|Xemanth^> ups
[08:30] <zam> how to enabled the Universe and Multiverse repositories., where to find this   repositories.,?
[08:31] <zam> i know how to add them just where is a liste of them ?
[08:32] <sF|Xemanth^> zam: /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:32] <zam> sF|Xemanth^:  i dont think i have them in my sources.list file ?
[08:33] <DHGE> http://www.google.com/search?q=sources.list+fur+kubuntu
[08:36] <pete> i consistently get an error when trying to install the apt-index-watcher package.... :(
[08:36] <Empiric> pete
[08:36] <Empiric> any idea
[08:38] <pete> empiric sory man i dont quite know my way around this stuf myself yet... menu editor would have been my course of action
[08:39] <Admiral_Chicago> pete: what is the error? post the last line of output
[08:41] <Brydenn33> hey does anyone here have DC++ installed on Kubuntu or a similar program?
[08:41] <Admiral_Chicago> Brydenn33: what is DCC
[08:41] <Admiral_Chicago> IDE?
[08:41] <Brydenn33> DC++ is a peer 2 peer program
[08:42] <Admiral_Chicago> could try frostwire
[08:42] <unix_infidel> man is advanced subnetting just craptacular when messing with firewalls.
[08:42] <unix_infidel> especially transparent subnets :(
[08:43] <Brydenn33> Admiral_Chicago: frostwire is NOTHING like DC++
[08:43] <Brydenn33> but thanks
[08:46] <Admiral_Chicago> does anyone have an HTTP tunnel package for ubuntu?
[08:46] <Admiral_Chicago> i want to set a package to tunnel using HTTP but I don't know how to do it
[08:47] <partack> oooh >.> kubuntu support channel =D  awesome
[08:47] <Admiral_Chicago> yea its a good thing
[08:47] <partack> i'm new to linux ^-^ so this is convenient =P
[08:47] <Admiral_Chicago> partack: how new?
[08:48] <partack> well i've messed around with suse liike, once.. a while ago.. and i didn't like it so i had it for 1 day and then i deleted it because i couldn't get internet working
[08:48] <partack> and now i'm ready to give linux a good thorough learning.
[08:48] <Admiral_Chicago> partack: have you checked out easyubuntu
[08:49] <Admiral_Chicago> !easyubuntu > partack
[08:49] <Empiric> helo
[08:49] <Empiric> hai
[08:49] <Admiral_Chicago> hi
[08:49] <Empiric> i found it pete
[08:49] <Empiric> theirs a bug in kisttool in kubuntu
[08:49] <Empiric> it wont have changes in k menu it wont save
[08:49] <Empiric> any other tools instead of kisktool
[08:50] <Empiric> plz guide me
[08:50] <partack> not yet, ive been meaning to.. but the problem is i can't get my wireless card to work =( and ive had so many thigns go wrong so far that shouldn't have gone wrong..  i'm wired to my wireless router ATM to try and fix the problem =(
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> partack: try this
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> !wireless > partack
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> Empiric: did you search the ubuntu forums?
[08:51] <Admiral_Chicago> they dave a ton of support
[08:51] <Admiral_Chicago> they might have fixed the bug and documented it
[08:51] <partack> Cheers muchly AC (your nickname ;P) i'll give this a read through ^-^
[08:51] <pete> empiric sorry man i dont know what kistool is
[08:53] <Empiric> no
[08:53] <Empiric> can u help me Admiral
[08:53] <Empiric> kiosk is buggy
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> Empiric: hold on
[08:54] <Empiric> plz
[08:54] <Empiric> am waiting
[08:55] <Admiral_Chicago> whats the package called?
[08:55] <Admiral_Chicago> ah kistool
[08:57] <Admiral_Chicago> Empiric: i have no idea
[08:57] <Admiral_Chicago> i've never used kistool and this is the first time i've ever heard of it
[08:57] <Empiric> kiosk admin tool
[08:57] <Empiric> u have it with apt-get install kiosktool
[08:58] <partack> um.. can anyone please tell me what this means?  i typed in make  and it told me Makefile:34: Makefile_cst: No such file or directory
[08:58] <partack> there's a makefile int he directory
[08:58] <Admiral_Chicago> partack: what package?
[08:59] <Admiral_Chicago> Empiric: well I looked on ubuntu forums, kubuntu forums, and launch pad and I didn't find anything on the bug
[09:00] <partack> i'm trying to install Rutil  (Cos wireless assistant is sorta half-assed and not working, or something)
[09:00] <partack> 1 sec
[09:00] <partack> see, i'm following a how-to from the ubuntu  website
[09:00] <partack> i'll pull it up, 2 seconds
[09:01] <partack> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT2500
[09:01] <partack> err
[09:01] <partack> thats the wrong one
[09:01] <partack> sorry
[09:03] <partack> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/RalinkRT2500Old/DriverAndRaconfigOld#head-93b21a695de4d96bae3735496a6845b31d95e04e
[09:03] <partack> there we go
[09:04] <Admiral_Chicago> partack: did you install build-essentials?
[09:04] <partack> i did indeed. i wasn't able to while i was offline so i kept getting 'couldnt find package 'build-essential'  but i have them now
[09:05] <partack> (i've only jsut figured out packages are mostly URL's)
[09:05] <Empiric> any one works on kiosktool
[09:06] <Admiral_Chicago> partack: packages are downloaded from a website
[09:06] <Admiral_Chicago> that way you don't have the 1800 packages on your computer
[09:06] <partack> *nod* i know that now
[09:07] <partack> but i'm clueless now =(  i get this whenever i try to make (using that how-to) and googlign it pulled nothing up..
[09:07] <partack> Makefile:34: Makefile_cst: No such file or directory
[09:07] <partack> make: *** No rule to make target `Makefile_cst'.  Stop.
[09:09] <partack> all i need to do is get my wireless card working =( then i can be happy and play around with various linuxy things ^-^
[09:09] <fdoving> what wireless card?
[09:10] <partack> it's (apparently formt he previosu help i've had)  a Realink based card and it uses the module RT61
[09:10] <fdoving> not rt25xx ?
[09:10] <partack> nope. rt61
[09:11] <fdoving> partack: take a look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=132980
[09:12] <partack> OOH!" >.>  *checks it out*  thank you so very much ^-^
[09:12] <fdoving> partack: are you using dapper?
[09:12] <partack> yes i am =)
[09:12] <fdoving> partack: then browse down to "(b) rt61 in Dapper"
[09:13] <fdoving> after "Some additional notes:"
[09:13] <damian> how many linux users does it take to install windows and end all their frustration?
[09:13] <fdoving> damian: i would never join them :)
[09:13] <partack> THAT's it! that's the Hardware thingy i got! unknown device 0302! =D  this cn help me muchly ^-^
[09:14] <partack> i'll check it out. i'll let you knwo how i get on ^-^
[09:14] <tbag> can't get dual display to work
[09:14] <tbag> can anyone help?
[09:14] <fdoving> partack: scroll down to the part i told you.. it'll save you alot of work.
[09:15] <partack> ooh right i thought i was lookign at what you meant ^-^;; sorry, i got all excited cos it made sense to me.
[09:15] <partack> (b) rt61 in Dapper
[09:15] <fdoving> correct.
[09:15] <qor> Hey guys... any ideas on what could be causing this?
[09:15] <qor> frank@worf:~$ sudo apt-get check
[09:15] <qor> Reading package lists... Done
[09:15] <qor> Segmentation faulty tree... 50%
[09:16] <fdoving> qor: sounds bad.
[09:16] <qor> I know :p
[09:16] <qor> how does one fix the package that fixes packages?
[09:16] <fdoving> try 'sudo apt-get update' and then 'sudo apt-get check'
[09:17] <fdoving> qor: you can also try 'sudo apt-get -f install'
[09:17] <qor> bingo~
[09:17] <qor> apt-get -f wouldn't work
[09:17] <qor> an update/check fixed it
[09:18] <fdoving> :)
[09:18] <qor> wonderful, thanks a bunch!
[09:18] <fdoving> you're welcome :9
[09:21] <partack> umm...  why does linux hate me? =(
[09:21] <partack> mkdir: cannot create directory `/etc/Wireless/RT61ST': No such file or directory
[09:21] <Momal> Anyone know a good video screen capture program So I can record mouse movements etc.
[09:22] <flaccid> partack: parent dir probably doesn't exist
[09:22] <fdoving> partack: 'sudo mkdir -p /etc/Wireless/RT61ST'
[09:22] <partack> YAY ^-^ thank you fdoving =) that did it
[09:23] <partack> *Continues how-to*
[09:23] <partack> wait,
[09:23] <partack> what did th e-p do?
[09:23] <partack> just curious
[09:23] <partack>  i need otlearn these things ^-^
[09:24] <fdoving> mkdir -p makes every directory needed to make /etc/wireless/RT61ST, like if /etc/Wireless doesn't exist, it makes that too.
[09:24] <partack> ic
[09:24] <partack> thank you =)
[09:24] <fdoving> you can do like 'mkdir -p /tmp/dir1/dir2/dir3' and it'll do the same as 'mkdir /tmp/dir1;mkdir /tmp/dir1/dir2/;mkdir /tmp/dir1/dir2/dir3'
[09:25] <maryen> mkdir doesn't make you money or pay the bills tho
[09:25] <maryen> lazy
[09:25] <partack> lol..
[09:28] <Squatch> Gah!  I'm using a dual monitor setup and for some reason, on my second monitor, I have a taskbar on only one of the four desktops >_<.  Any suggestions to get it back in the other two?
[09:28] <partack> can't you make one? right clicking the desktop?
[09:29] <flaccid> w0a i didn't even know about -p
[09:29] <flaccid> thats cool
[09:29] <Squatch> Not on mine, I can create lots of other stuff, but no taskbar...
[09:29] <partack> actually, scratch that. . guess not
[09:30] <Squatch> KDE is acting really funky too.  My right monitor is my secondary monitor, and options to affect how the taskbar looks/acts don't always work...
[09:31] <Torched> you guys know why linux is free?
[09:31] <Torched> because no one would pay for product like that
[09:31] <flaccid> no linux is actually free because of the GNU GPL
[09:31] <Torched> no, that's how it's free flaccid
[09:31] <Torched> that's not why it's free
[09:31] <flaccid> same thing in this case
[09:32] <Torched> nope
[09:32] <partack> lol torched.  is this linux joke night?  that one about the mkdir and now that?
[09:32] <flaccid> so are you speaking for the whole world, Torched?
[09:32] <flaccid> nobody being the operative word there
[09:32] <Torched> i asked the whole world flaccid, they agree with me
[09:32] <flaccid> you didn't ask me
[09:32] <flaccid> and its also impossible to do what you said
[09:32] <Torched> you were the last person to voice your opinion
[09:32] <Torched> now my survey is complete
[09:33] <Torched> the overwhelming majority of people agreed with me
[09:33] <partack> flaccid: does the internet count as the world?
[09:33] <flaccid> meh ur full of shit Torched
[09:34] <pete> anybody know if they upgraded legacy drivers for the new beta?
[09:34] <partack> okay, so , linux hates me..  in the how-to it says to type  cp *.bin /etc/Wireless/RT61STA/
[09:34] <pete> how can i check the date of the drivers?
[09:34] <partack> but it tells me cp: cannot create regular file `/etc/Wireless/RT61STA/rt2561.bin': Permission denied
[09:34] <flaccid> partack: the user are you do it under doesn't have write access. try using sudo with the command
[09:37] <partack> ohwait it was all a typo's fault. sorry about that. *nod* thank yout hough =)
[09:38] <flaccid> cool
[09:38] <pete> network interface ra0 shows up when i do iwconfig, but when i do ifup ra0 it tells me that is an unknown interface..... anybody have any ideas at all???
[09:45] <raul12>  how to install i386 software on x64 machine(AMD)
[09:45] <partack> pete: you're in the same boat as me, m8   go here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=132980
[09:45] <raul12>  ok
[09:45] <partack> look at (b)
[09:46] <partack> (if you're using dapper)
[09:46] <raul12>  plz help
[09:48] <flaccid> raul12: i don't know if you can, maybe you can. would require emulation. try ##linux
[09:49] <fdoving> raul12: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit
[09:49] <Arlington> how to install a .rpm package?
[09:49] <flaccid> Arlington: by command line or a GUI?
[09:49] <Arlington> what ever :-)
[09:50] <raul12>  /msg raul12 set unfiltered on
[09:50] <fdoving> Arlington: you shouldn't install rpms in ubuntu.
[09:50] <fdoving> !rpm
[09:50] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[09:51] <Arlington> well it's the only linux versionof this program...
[09:51] <windshear> no source?
[09:51] <fdoving> !alien
[09:51] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[09:51] <flaccid> sorry i had to go afk
[09:51] <Arlington> windshear. i don't know.
[09:51] <flaccid> i'd prolly get the files out of the rpm and install them manually
[09:51] <fdoving> Arlington: get alien then. might not work but it's could be worth a try.
[09:52] <Arlington> the alien is the program that makes a .deb package of the rpm file right?
[09:52] <fdoving> yes.
[09:53] <Arlington> um.
[09:54] <Arlington> how do i install a .deb package? is it sudo ./filename?
[09:55] <fdoving> sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[09:55] <Arlington> thnx
[09:56] <fdoving> or rightclick -> kubuntu menu -> install package (or something like that)
[09:59] <flaccid> fdoving: hmm i don't have that feature
[10:03] <Arlington> the program i'am trying to install is slimdevices slimserver. when install is done it tells me to go to: http://jonas-desktop:9000/ but the browser can't find it any thoughts?
[10:03] <flaccid> Arlington: did you run the program?
[10:04] <Arlington> yes i installed it and the installer told me the thing above...
[10:04] <flaccid> run
[10:04] <flaccid> not install
[10:05] <Arlington> don't know how to run it (neewbie) yes i know because i can't find it in the staartmenu...
[10:05] <fdoving> it's probably running in the background, and you can access it with the webbrowser at that address.
[10:05] <fdoving> Arlington: try http://127.0.0.1:9000
[10:05] <Arlington> yes that is the thing in windush
[10:06] <flaccid> it may not be running at all
[10:06] <fdoving> true.
[10:06] <flaccid> rpm doesn't init after install does it? and he converted from rpm to deb first anyway?
[10:06] <Arlington> yes i converted.
[10:06] <fdoving> you can check that with 'fuser -v 9000/tcp'
[10:07] <fdoving> if it's running on that port, that is.
[10:07] <Arlington> the terminal just scips a line ...
[10:08] <flaccid> i don't think fuser works for normal/admin user by default coz of perms
[10:08] <flaccid> sudo fuser -v 9000/tcp
[10:08] <Arlington> i ran it as sudo
[10:08] <flaccid> ok its not going then
[10:08] <flaccid> you probably need to run the binary from the package
[10:09] <fdoving> or the alien process failed somehow.
[10:10] <Arlington> no the alienprocess ran succesfully.
[10:10] <partack_> YES!!! YESS!! YES!! IT WORKS ! ^-^
[10:10] <partack_> it finally works ;_;
[10:10] <partack_> thanks for all your help guys ^-^  got my wireless card going =)
[10:10] <flaccid> you could run "file filename" against every file from the package to find the binary
[10:11] <flaccid> cool
[10:11] <fdoving> partack_: glad you got it working :)
[10:12] <partack_> ^-^ cheers so much =)  .  heh. i guess i'll idle in here , eh?  i'll probably need more help some time or other =P and searching google for 3 days didn't help =P
[10:12] <fdoving> Arlington: or you could run 'dpkg -L pacakgename' (without version or .deb) to list the files in the package.
[10:12] <fdoving> Arlington: whatever is in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin is the binary.
[10:12] <partack_> thanks again ^-^  seeyah
[10:12] <fdoving> usually..
[10:13] <flaccid> or /usr/local/bin or hopefully any dir with /bin
[10:14] <fdoving> packages should not put stuff in /usr/local/bin and /bin is for essential stuff, but yes. :)
[10:14] <flaccid> this is from an rpm..
[10:14] <flaccid> :p
[10:14] <flaccid> who knows where the location could be
[10:15] <Arlington> nothing there
[10:15] <flaccid> nothing at all in the package?
[10:16] <Arlington> nothing in the bin directory.
[10:16] <fabian_> hey guys! I've got a problem with kubuntu 6.06 dapper... when I plug-in an usb-device, nothing happens... in the past, an icon appeared on the desktop an allowed me to mount/eject the device but now there's nothing... I didn't anything, I think...
[10:16] <flaccid> Arlington: run file on each command to find the binary
[10:17] <Arlington> i've found out that they distribute a .deb install thorugh a repository that they manage. thanks for the help.
[10:17] <flaccid> np
[10:17] <flaccid> fyi apt-rpm can be used for rpms too :)
[10:17] <Arlington> there should be a but in front of the thanks for the help
[10:17] <flaccid> coolio
[10:18] <ironfroggy> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/40255643/
[10:18] <ironfroggy> can anyone tell me if that URL works for them? i cant get the flash game to work but it doesnt complain about flash versions.
[10:19] <Schalken> does anyone have the valid md5sum for the kubuntu 6.06 iso?
[10:19] <flaccid> ironfroggy: don't think it works for me
[10:19] <Schalken> (6.06, not 6.06.1)
[10:19] <flaccid> ironfroggy: google flash satay @ ALA and thats the best way to embed flash
[10:19] <flaccid> i might
[10:20] <zorglu_> fb3af44c21f1f68cc25fda7edb8c1bd3  ubuntu-6.06.1-desktop-i386.iso
[10:20] <zorglu_> oh ok
[10:20] <Schalken> but kubuntu not ubuntu
[10:20] <Schalken> :P
[10:20] <ironfroggy> flaccid: what? sorry, dont get what you mean.
[10:21] <zorglu_> Schalken: 6.06 is not more distributed by canonical, so i dunno :)
[10:21] <fdoving> Schalken: kubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso ?
[10:21] <Schalken> fdoving: thats the one
[10:21] <flaccid> i got: 415692829ebc4d5a54e5ce6a4f15f1a6  kubuntu-6.06-dvd-i386.iso
[10:21] <zorglu_> i guess he want the cd :)
[10:21] <Schalken> flaccid: lol do you have the cd?
[10:22] <flaccid> fdoving: there is an article called flash satay that shows how to embed flash across browsers
[10:22] <flaccid> Schalken: i have the cd image still
[10:22] <fdoving> Schalken: i don't have the official md5sum, but i can make one for you, of my iso.
[10:22] <fdoving> Schalken: ad390f978451c0cc99ec866702de6ad2  kubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso
[10:23] <Schalken> fdoving: yes, good, thats what i got, thanks
[10:23] <Schalken> even though some sites host 6.06 they dont have the md5s :P
[10:23] <fdoving> i recommend 6.06.1 though.
[10:23] <fdoving> the livecd installer is better.
[10:24] <Schalken> fdoving: yes however i tried that and it didnt work so i am trying 6.06
[10:24] <Schalken> see here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=273497
[10:24] <fdoving> ok, if it didn't work you might be better off with the alternate cd. if you haven't tried it yet.
[10:25] <Schalken> fdoving: the puzzling thing is it used to work, even on this very CD-RW
[10:25] <Schalken> so i will try another
[10:25] <fdoving> does the cd-drive work with other disks?
[10:25] <Schalken> fdoving: yes. the ubuntu 6.06 cds i had shipped still work.
[10:26] <fdoving> hum.
[10:26] <fdoving> ok.-
[10:26] <Schalken> fdoving: i am just going to try this other CD-RW at the slowest burn and see if it works ;)
[10:26] <fdoving> do that :)
[10:28] <Arlington> my adept won't start :-(
[10:28] <fdoving> try to start it from konsole, do you get error messages?
[10:29] <Schalken> hey whats the default way to bring down yakuake?
[10:29] <fdoving> that's kmenu -> system -> konsole -> 'sudo adept_manager'
[10:29] <Arlington> it works in console. but whne i try to start through starmenu i get to input my password and then nothing.
[10:29] <fdoving> Arlington: what about 'kdesu adept_manager' from konsole?
[10:30] <Schalken> is adept's command 'adept_manager'? why not just 'adept'? i never seen a command with a '_'
[10:30] <Arlington> command adept_manager wasn't found
[10:31] <fdoving> ah, sorry, that's in edgy.
[10:31] <fdoving> 'adept'
[10:31] <Arlington> well that dosn't work either.
[10:31] <fdoving> Schalken: close yakuake with the X in in the lower right corner (of yakuake)
[10:31] <Arlington> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[10:31] <Arlington>   Major opcode:  148
[10:31] <fdoving> then it's kdesus fault.
[10:31] <Arlington>   Minor opcode:  3
[10:31] <Arlington>   Resource id:  0x0
[10:31] <Arlington> Failed to open device
[10:32] <Arlington> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[10:32] <fdoving> that's normal, has nothing to do with this.
[10:32] <Arlington>   Major opcode:  148
[10:32] <Arlington>   Minor opcode:  3
[10:32] <fdoving> please stop pasting.
[10:32] <Schalken> fdoving: okay how about to bring it back up again?
[10:32] <Arlington>   Resource id:  0x0
[10:32] <Arlington> Failed to open device
[10:32] <fdoving> Schalken: alt+f2 'yakuake' <enter>
[10:33] <Arlington> i'am sorry for that
[10:33] <fdoving> Arlington: sorry i had to remove you, please don't paste into the channel like that.
[10:33] <fdoving> no problem :)
[10:34] <fdoving> that error has nothing to do with adept. it's basically just X saying it can't contact some devices configured in xorg.conf, wacom tablet etc. just ignore it.
[10:34] <Schalken> fdoving: i was under the impression that yakuake is always running and shows itself when a certain shortcut key is pressed. isn't it?
[10:34] <Arlington> the problem is that when trying to install the slimserver through adept. adept hanged and i had to kill it and now it dosn't start.
[10:35] <Arlington> could it be related?
[10:35] <fdoving> Schalken: you can toggle view/hide with F12 (i think, is the default)..
[10:35] <fdoving> Schalken: if you close it with the X, it dies.
[10:35] <Schalken> fdoving: ahhhhhhhh thats what i wanted thanks
[10:35] <Schalken> :D
[10:35] <fdoving> !adept crash fix
[10:35] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[10:35] <fdoving> Arlington: try that ^^
[10:36] <fdoving> I have to go now, food -> work.'
[10:36] <fdoving> bye.
[10:46] <Arlington> any one here?
[10:46] <zorglu_> !baddevices
[10:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about baddevices - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:47] <zorglu_> !baddevice
[10:47] <ubotu> baddevice is If you are getting errors similar to this: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168  Then please read this page: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=579.0
[10:47] <zorglu_> Arlington: this will help you removing the X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168 you see
[10:55] <Arlington> i have this tar.gz file i wan't to install. how would i go about?
[10:58] <Arlington> i have this tar.gz file i wan't to install. how would i go about?
[11:01] <pacman> is the current java not good enough for the rest of the internet?
[11:03] <pacman> nobody home??
[11:04] <flaccid> pacman: the current java is fine
[11:05] <pacman> most of the stuff I try and access tells me its no good
[11:06] <flaccid> the error message is 'its no good' ?
[11:06] <pacman> no, says I don't have the latest version...but I do
[11:07] <flaccid> Arlington: its an archive. extract with a program like ark
[11:07] <flaccid> pacman: what version u using?
[11:07] <pacman> flash 7 for linux
[11:08] <flaccid> i thought you said java?
[11:08] <pacman> doh
[11:08] <flaccid> if you mean flash
[11:08] <pacman> shoot, I don't remember....
[11:08] <pacman> no, I meant java
[11:08] <flaccid> you can blame macromedia
[11:08] <pacman> and flash sucks too
[11:08] <flaccid> well java is fine
[11:09] <flaccid> what version you got and provide me a sample url that says you aint got the latest?
[11:10] <pacman> http://games.yahoo.com/games/login2?page=do&ss=1
[11:10] <pacman> all of the yahoo games
[11:11] <pacman> dunno which version I have...how do I find out
[11:11] <flaccid> try dpkg -l | grep -i sun-java
[11:12] <flaccid> or just java -version
[11:12] <flaccid> you prolly have the sun-java-jre ?
[11:12] <pacman> yeah, that's right
[11:13] <pacman> jre5 or something like that
[11:14] <pacman> sun-java5-bin, sun-java5-jre
[11:14] <flaccid> 1.5.06?
[11:14] <pacman> 1.5.0-06-1
[11:14] <flaccid> that is the latest
[11:14] <flaccid> let me try it out
[11:14] <pacman> k
[11:15] <flaccid> i'm not a member of yahoo unfortunately
[11:15] <pacman> ah
[11:15] <flaccid> but yeah 1.5 is latest
[11:15] <pacman> I'm just trying to find some cool games for my computer
[11:16] <pacman> everything I've tried is lame at best
[11:16] <flaccid> 1.4.8/1.4.2 is what people still develop on coz 1.5 is a lot different in arch
[11:16] <flaccid> sudo apt-get install nexuiz ppracer torcs knights
[11:16] <flaccid> there are a few
[11:16] <flaccid> that i like
[11:16] <flaccid> knights its online chess
[11:17] <flaccid> nexuiz is shoot em up. v nice
[11:17] <flaccid> ppracer is planet penguin racer. clone of tuxracer
[11:17] <flaccid> torcs is a car game
[11:18] <pacman> I've played ppracer
[11:18] <pacman> think I might have played torcs too
[11:18] <pacman> wish I could get simcity 3000 back, man I could kill hours with that
[11:19] <Tm_T> flaccid: ppracer is former tuxracer, not clone
[11:19] <flaccid> ah ok
[11:19] <flaccid> why the change in name then?
[11:20] <Tm_T> no idea
[11:20] <flaccid> ok
[11:21] <zorglu_> http://tremulous.net is nice too :)
[11:22] <pacman> man, it's late here
[11:24] <morghanphoenix> !ati
[11:24] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:24] <flaccid> zorglu_: tremulous looks mad
[11:25] <flaccid> how big is it
[11:25] <zorglu_> flaccid: what do you mean ?
[11:25] <zorglu_> big ? several people play it :)
[11:25] <flaccid> sorry mad = sick = very good
[11:25] <zorglu_> ah ok :)
[11:25] <zorglu_> it is very fun to play
[11:25] <zorglu_> i like it a lot. a 'modern' game in opensource and running on linux, window, macosx
[11:26] <zorglu_> very good to destress
[11:27] <flaccid> better than nexuiz?
[11:27] <zorglu_> i never played nexuiz
[11:27] <zorglu_> but try it, it is simple to install
[11:28] <flaccid> i have it installed
[11:28] <flaccid> i play it
[11:28] <flaccid> its good
[11:28] <zorglu_> cool :)
[11:33] <zorglu_> flaccid: tips,  get a good fps, it helps a lot to play well. you can tune the details to reach it :)
[11:33] <flaccid> yeah thats a gaming fundamental
[11:33] <flaccid> i'm on a notebook but its not too bad
[11:34] <janushead> hi
[11:34] <zorglu_> well i player for 2 months before finding out this fundamental :)
[11:35] <flaccid> hehe
[11:35] <janushead> question about printer installation with kaddprinterwizzard: after chosing the printer, it says drivers not found or insufficient access rights. is this a know issue?
[11:35] <janushead> using vanilla 6.06-64
[11:36] <zorglu_> tried "kdesu kaddprinterwizzard" ?
[11:44] <Arlington> anyone using slimserver?
[11:46] <janushead> zorglu_, i switched to sysadmin mode before.
[11:46] <janushead> zorglu_, after the problem i had to download the ppd-file myself and point to it. then everything was fine
[11:58] <twosouls82> hello there :)
[12:20] <cox377> Helllo all
[12:21] <cox377> this is not directly a kubuntu question, but i'm looking for a linux alternative to windows media center / xbox media center.!! does such a thing exist?
[12:23] <t0taln00b> of cos it's kubuntu
[12:23] <twosouls82> cox377: if you have a 'ivtv enabled' (ivtv is a driver) you can use mythtv :) much nicer than mc to be honest
[12:24] <twosouls82> s/ivtv enabled/ivtv enabled video card
[12:24] <twosouls82> http://www.mythtv.org/
[12:25] <twosouls82> and to get it all to work with dapper; http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html
[12:26] <cox377> cheers guys
[12:27] <twosouls82> :s video? tv card :)
[12:38] <MistaED> hey could someone tell me where kde stores its bootup stuff? i wanted to reduce kde's ram usage
[12:40] <Raul12> is SELinux is included in kubuntu ??
[12:40] <n3storm> anybody here is aware about the Kubuntu bug with Scribus?
[12:40] <cox377> twosouls82: just been looking @ mythtv and it looks great, so i just gotta get a ivtv enabled tv card?
[12:41] <Raul12> ???
[12:41] <Raul12> ......
[12:42] <Raul12> is SELinux is included in kubuntu
[12:43] <Raul12> can any 1 tell
[12:46] <n3storm> Raul12: apt-cache search selinux
[12:46] <bpm> may anyboda help me to get a ad-hoc connection between 6.06 and my pda
[12:46] <Raul12> k
[12:47] <bpm> i dont know how to start
[12:47] <bpm> iwconfig dont like me
[12:51] <t0taln00b> why doesnt it like u?
[12:53] <bpm> i tried: sudo iwconfig eth1 essid test mode Ad-Hoc key off
[12:54] <bpm> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26056/
[12:56] <t0taln00b> but what's ur problem?
[12:56] <bpm> i cant get a connection
[12:56] <bpm> i dont know where the problem is
[12:56] <bpm> i dont know where i have to search the problem
[12:58] <t0taln00b> hmm.. as far as i can see from ur pasted fragment on the aforementioned link u have a connection. it's odd
[12:59] <t0taln00b> it's odd that u cant connect :?
[01:04] <bpm> yeaaah i got it
[01:05] <bpm> my internal wlanchip was was not pluged well in its slot
[01:05] <bpm> so the card worked - dont worked - worked.....
[01:26] <niels_> Hi Folks!
[01:26] <niels_> Has anyone mad funny experiences doing an upgrade from Dapper to Etchy? I did an upograde just today and since the box wont start anymore
[01:27] <LeeJunFan_away> niels_: that's not really funny.
[01:27] <niels_> which means that it boots the kernel and once it gets through the module loading rpocess it freezes
[01:27] <niels_> LeeJunFan_away: No, its not - it was mor leikely menat sarcastic
[01:27] <LeeJunFan_away> niels_: are you sure you're booting edgy's new kernel?
[01:28] <twosouls82> cox377: sorry, I was showering :P but yep for mythtv you will need a tvcard supported by the ivtv driver, such as the Hauppauge PVR-150/250/350 and the MCE's too, if I am right
[01:28] <zombux-skola> kubuntu sucks
[01:28] <niels_> LeeJunFan_away: Yes, I am absolutely sure
[01:28] <LeeJunFan_away> niels_: does it freeze or does it say kernel panic can't mount rootfs?
[01:28] <niels_> LeeJunFan_away: it just freezes - I could sent you a snapshot
[01:28] <zombux-skola> how the hell do I control this
[01:29] <LeeJunFan_away> niels_: on my wifes computer after upgrading I had to specify the kernel option of noapic or hers would freeze as well. I didn't need that with dappers kernel.
[01:29] <LeeJunFan> niels_: sent to me how?
[01:29] <niels_> LeeJunFan: where do i have to do that? Basically I guess I will start the Box in recovery moide and then...?
[01:30] <niels_> LeeJunFan: by mail I would sent it
[01:30] <LeeJunFan> niels_: when you get the grub boot menu listing hit e, then highlight the kernel line and e again and add noapic to the end of options. To make it permanent you have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:31] <zombux-skola> hell-o
[01:31] <Nordir> zdar :D
[01:31] <zombux-skola> cus
[01:31] <zombux-skola> woknum zdar
[01:31] <LeeJunFan> niels_: oh, sry - you said sent and my brain must not have processed "could" when I read it :)
[01:31] <thool> zombux-skola: no lol :)
[01:31] <Nordir> thool: lol
[01:32] <zombux-skola> so, what's up with this?
[01:32] <zombux-skola> how do I install vncviewer?
[01:33] <LeeJunFan> zombux-skola: what's up with what? if you want any kind of intelligent response you'll need to provide more info explaining your issue with kubuntu.
[01:33] <zombux-skola> I downloaded it to my personal folder but I can not see it there
[01:33] <zombux-skola> seems pretty weird to me
[01:33] <niels_> LeeJunFan: its still freezing...*grrrr*
[01:33] <zombux-skola> even if I enable viewing hidden folders
[01:33] <LeeJunFan> zombux-skola: there's a program called krfb for kde you can install by using adept.
[01:33] <zombux-skola> hmm ok I will try it
[01:34] <LeeJunFan> zombux-skola: open adept and search for vnc you'll find a few different choices, also you probably want to enable universe and multiverse repositories.
[01:34] <LeeJunFan> !repos
[01:34] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:34] <zombux-skola> well I have VNC server at my remote PC but I need to connect to it
[01:34] <niels_> LeeJunFan: what will happen if I would reinstall Dapper? Will it format my hdd?
[01:35] <LeeJunFan> niels_: might want to try asking in #kubuntu-testers or #ubuntu+q
[01:35] <LeeJunFan> #ubuntu+1 that is
[01:35] <gnomefreak> niels_: thats up to you
[01:35] <LeeJunFan> niels_: yeah, well - you'd have the option to format, depending on how your hd is partitioned, it might not be so bad.
[01:36] <gnomefreak> niels_: the installer as any other installer did for ubuntu asks wher eyou wan tto install it
[01:37] <niels_> gnomefreak: basically I haven't made partitions for home or so
[01:39] <gnomefreak> niels_: save anything you _need_ to disk or something before doing anything
[01:39] <niels_> gnomefreak: how, if I am not getting anywhwhere, the system freezes right after the startup of Kubuntu?
[01:40] <gnomefreak> niels_: than i guess you dont
[01:40] <gnomefreak> niels_: maybe livecd
[01:40] <cox377> twosouls82: N1:)
[01:40] <gnomefreak> livecd should work or boot in safe mode
[01:40] <Ash-Fox> How does one start java webstart under Ubuntu? I tried 'javaws', but I get a 'Splash: sysCreateListenerSocket failed: No such file or directory'
[01:41] <KrAmMeR> whats a good history cleaning program?
[01:41] <gnomefreak> Ash-Fox: its in the menu atleast in gnome it is
[01:41] <niels_> gnomefreak: damn...I knew it sort of, but I thought, I was hoping that there could be another way to solve that prob
[01:42] <KrAmMeR> hmm
[01:42] <KrAmMeR> i will search
[01:42] <gnomefreak> niels_: there are lots of ways to solve it you can mount it from windows partition with help from outside apps
[01:43] <Ash-Fox> gnomefreak, hm, not starting from there either
[01:43] <gnomefreak> Ash-Fox: than i dont know i never use it (me and java dont like eachother
[01:44] <niels_> gnomefreak: If I would burn me an image of hda1 - would it have all files, you think? even the hidden ones of Thunderbird in which TB stores all the mail which I received?
[01:44] <Ash-Fox> What a pain
[01:44] <gnomefreak> niels_: should
[01:44] <gnomefreak> brb
[01:45] <niels_> gnomefreak: I'll give it a go
[01:46] <niels_> gno
[01:46] <niels_> gnomefreak: I'll let you folks know if worked out
[01:47] <Ash-Fox> Theres something really weird about the way java is packed on buntu distros, I'm considering getting it from sun because of weird JDK problems
[01:47] <Ash-Fox> (And now javaws)
[01:50] <cox377> twosouls82: , if you still about, what i was really after was a whole operating system, is there a way to have it as a OS kinda like smoothwall is as a router
[01:54] <hyper> hello abattoir :)
[01:58] <SeicherlBoB> i can't start a bash script from my desktop (just linking to the "programm"). is there a good way to execute shell-scripts from KDE-desktop?
[02:01] <tmdx120> Hello all. Why doesnt file sharing work in Dapper?
[02:04] <pielgrzym> !pastebin
[02:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:06] <hyper> got a small package problem... any suggestiosn?  http://www.phpfi.com/161775
[02:19] <yeti> hi
[02:19] <yeti> got a problem with kdesu, every app that involves kdesu takes ages to start, adept for example doesn't start at all
[02:20] <yeti> i just get a kdesu process hangig around in ps -aux doing nothing
[02:21] <shadowhywind> morning all, does anyone know how to fix a problem where files i put on a fat32 in linux wont show in windows?
[02:22] <Dr_willis> this on a hard drive in a linux box?
[02:23] <shadowhywind> yes. i have a fat32 partition to share files between windows and linux. I throw a few files and a folders onto it into linux, reboot back to windows and i can't see the files nor the folders
[02:24] <Dr_willis> were you seeing pre-existing files on the fat32 drive from linux - ?
[02:24] <Dr_willis> It almost sounds like you dident have it mounted. and you just copied things to the /media/wheveritwassupposedtobemounted dir.
[02:25] <partack__> Noob question for someone who will take pity on this poor Linux Iliterate..  is there some fancy command to quickly install 'QT' ? or do i have to download it untar it and all that stuff?  yknow.. something along the lines of sudo apt-get install QT or something?
[02:25] <tmdx120> hi, can one use heterogenous memory cards in a dual slot laptop?
[02:25] <Dr_willis> partack__,   by 'qt' what are you wanting?  KDE uses the QT libs..
[02:26] <yeti> partack__: what the...? QT is installed whenever you install kubuntu
[02:26] <tmdx120> for example 512 in one slot and 1024 in another?
[02:26] <Dr_willis> so they are allready there.. if you want the Developer stuff.. fire up the package manager and search for 'qt' look for stuff with -dev in the names
[02:26] <shadowhywind> no i believe it is mounted, becuase i can see the changes i make from windows *i believe*
[02:26] <partack__> oh really?  are they compiled with thread support?
[02:26] <Dr_willis> shadowhywind,  i would double check..ive  never heard of you rproblem befor.
[02:26] <shadowhywind> i am going to go check.. hehe
[02:27] <Dr_willis> ive used that mount 'feature' to hide things befor. :P
[02:27] <yeti> partack__, nfi, but why would you so desperately need thread support for qt?
[02:27] <shadowhywind> the reason why i say it is mounted is becuase couple of files that i pasted into a different directory is there
[02:27] <Dr_willis> copy things to /mnr/cantfindme  , then mount somthing over /mnt/cantfindme :)
[02:27] <partack__> lol.. Qtella.
[02:27] <Dr_willis> shadowhywind,  Hmm.. I would guess that you some how miss-copied the files then.
[02:28] <yeti> partack__, well, just try it, if it doesn't work, it's probably not ;)
[02:28] <partack__> well i did but i got
[02:28] <partack__> Qt's moc not found! If you have installed Qt in an
[02:28] <partack__> unusual place, please use the "--with-qt-moc=" option
[02:29] <chab> how does linux react to a change in hardware, specifically, dvd/cd-drives?
[02:29] <yeti> chab: should not be any problem at all
[02:29] <yeti> partack__, oh, sorry, can't help you then, check google and ubuntuforums for qt moc
[02:29] <Dr_willis> unless ya put it on a different ide cable/slot/thang.
[02:29] <Dr_willis> then the letter may change.
[02:30] <Dr_willis> hdb may become hdd i mean. :)
[02:30] <partack__> *nod* okay =) i thought i'd ask first jsut in-case this was generic.
[02:30] <chab> Dr_willis: the plan is, throwing out hdd, hdc->hdd, new hdc :)
[02:30] <partack__> thank you ^-^
[02:32] <chab> yeti: think k3b will notice the difference on its own?
[02:32] <Dr_willis> chab,  k3b has a 'setup' program. soit should be fine
[02:32] <tmdx120> Hi Doc.
[02:32] <chab> ok. good. thanks.
[02:33] <Dr_willis> so you will move 1 cdrom, and then put in a NEWER cdrom in its place? so ya still have 2 drives?
[02:33] <chab> Dr_willis: yes
[02:33] <yeti> by the way, why is konqueror so slow compared to firefox? do i miss some important option?
[02:33] <Dr_willis> should be fine
[02:33] <Dr_willis> go ask in #kde :P and get yelled at.. Lol..
[02:33] <Dr_willis> Ive never noticed it being slower.
[02:34] <chab> Dr_willis: I'll remove my cd-burner(hdd), put my dvd-burner in its new place (hdc->hdd), and put a new dvd-burner in as hdc
[02:34] <yeti> Dr_willis: it's really much slower... i'm waiting like 30 seconds for (11 of 15 images loaded) on ubuntuforums - and it starts rendering text only when it has preloaded all the images, which is really really annoying
[02:35] <yeti> Dr_willis: i'd love to give konqueror a try cause i heard it was really well integrated with lots of media plugins in kubuntu, but the way it is, it's just unusable
[02:35] <Dr_willis> ubuntuforims can be a real real real pain at times.
[02:35] <Dr_willis> I just use firefox for my browser most of the time. :P i got too many extensiions for it i like
[02:36] <yeti> Dr_willis, what plugins for firefox do you use to play videos and video streams?
[02:37] <Dr_willis> yeti,  very few. :P
[02:37] <Evil003> hi im trying to install kubuntu on a powerbook g4 i got the cd to boot but it stopped at ubuntu@ubuntu:`$  what do i type from here to make the os boot?
[02:37] <Dr_willis> I do have one that can download videos from some sites.. so i can watch them offline.
[02:37] <yeti> Dr_willis: oh. lol. okay ;)
[02:38] <Dr_willis> yeti,  i like the adblocking, and greasemonkey addons
[02:39] <yeti> by the way, does anyone know an option how to 'mount' tar-files or at least how to get some files from a .tar (uncompressed) without having to unpack the whole archive?
[02:39] <m4x1mum> !avi
[02:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:42] <yeti> m4x1mum: thanks, but all the solutions concerning firefox require totem, which requires all of the gnome libs :) might give it a try anyways though, i know mplayerplug-in, but don't like it too much
[02:47] <Evil003> could someone please tell me what i should type when it says unbuntu@ubuntu:~$ so i can boot the system?
[02:48] <yeti> Evil003: where and when does it say so?
[02:50] <Evil003> right now on my screen it says ( to run a command as administrator (user "root"), use sudo <command> see "man sudo_root" for details then it says ubuntu!ubuntu:~$
[02:50] <Evil003> i mean ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ ^^^
[02:51] <Dr_willis> Evil003,  if you can type.. then some how - it is booted.
[02:51] <Dr_willis> just seems the installer dident start. which is odd.
[02:51] <Evil003> it doesnt have a gui?
[02:51] <Dr_willis> yes it does.
[02:51] <Dr_willis> what OS was on that machine befor?
[02:51] <Evil003> osx
[02:51] <Evil003> its an apple powerbook g4
[02:52] <yeti> is there a metapackage i can install to get all of the fancy toolchain stuff like gcc, ld, as etc?
[02:52] <Dr_willis> so you have some Unallocated space to install ubuntu to?
[02:52] <Dr_willis> yeti,  build-essential
[02:52] <yeti> Dr_willis: thanks
[02:52] <Evil003> i should cant i just run it off the cd? instead of installing
[02:52] <Evil003> it^^
[02:53] <yeti> no you can't, you'd need a liveCD, not an installCD
[02:53] <Dr_willis> Evil003,  Not sure about how the livdcd works on Macs.. or even if it works at all.
[02:53] <Evil003> im using the desktop cd
[02:53] <Dr_willis> I wonder if theres a #ubuntuPPC channel  or check the Ubuntu FOrums/wikis
[02:54] <tmdx120> Why can I to a share files on Dapper?
[02:54] <Evil003> am i using the wrong cd? or witch one is the install cd i need to download
[02:56] <Dr_willis> tmdx120,  samba for ubuntu->winows shareing, or ssh/scp/winscp is easier to setup
[02:56] <gpeek> tmdx120: whay do you mean?
[02:56] <Dr_willis> Evil003,  no idea.. my onmy mac is in the closet.  I suggest asking in #ubuntu, or #ubuntuppc
[02:56] <Evil003> ok thanks
[02:57] <tmdx120> Im not sharing window. My SOHO is stricty linux
[02:57] <Dr_willis> tmdx120,  then use scp
[02:57] <Dr_willis> or nfs if you want perment shared directories.
[02:57] <Dr_willis> or ya could use samba if you want. :)
[02:57] <tmdx120> Dr_willis: scp?
[02:58] <Dr_willis> scp - ssh's copy command.
[02:58] <tmdx120> LOL! Ok, now I have to go RTFM. LOL
[02:58] <Dr_willis> or use the  fish:\ kioslave feature of KDE's file manager to access the remote machines via ssh
[02:59] <m4x1mum> can kaffein play dvd?
[02:59] <wrabbit^> yes
[02:59] <Dr_willis> You can use the fish kioslave like this: fish://hostname or fish://username@hostname.
[02:59] <shadowhywind> ok so i just unmounted my fat32 and remounted it (in linux) and now i have like 70 .rec files
[03:00] <Dr_willis> shadowhywind,  you are using windows xp on that box?
[03:00] <shadowhywind> yah, duel booting
[03:00] <Dr_willis> You realize theres a tool for XP that lets it read/write to ext2/3 filesystems? :P
[03:01] <Dr_willis> fs-driver.org
[03:01] <shadowhywind> no i didn't hehe
[03:01] <Dr_willis> the use of a fat32 'data-swap' has been tossed out the window for me. :)
[03:01] <tmdx120> Dr_willis: silly newbie question, how do I determine my hostname?
[03:01] <Dr_willis> i stillgot NO idea how you were scresing that up.
[03:01] <Dr_willis> tmdx120,  hostname command. :)
[03:02] <Dr_willis> willis@Audigy:~$ hostname
[03:02] <Dr_willis> Audigy
[03:02] <Dr_willis> or its in my BASH prompt. :)
[03:02] <tmdx120> Dr_willis: Thanks!
[03:02] <shadowhywind> so minus my fat32 issue, does anyone know about random fsckxxxx.rec files?
[03:03] <tmdx120> Dr_willis: so I can type that on my other comuter to acces the one I want?
[03:03] <Dr_willis> sounds like the drive was not  cleanly unmounted/written to -  or fsck checked it and found it lacking. :P
[03:03] <Dr_willis> tmdx120,  type what where?
[03:04] <tmdx120> Ok, I want my laptop to access my desktop files.
[03:04] <Dr_willis> fish://username@hostname          - is for the KDE file manager - its a Konqueroer feature
[03:04] <shadowhywind> it seams to do this everytime i boot linux, any ideas on how to stop them from creating
[03:04] <Dr_willis> shadowhywind,  you may want to check the fstab entry for your fat32 drive.
[03:05] <shadowhywind> vfat    defaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[03:05] <shadowhywind> it looks right
[03:06] <Dr_willis> uft8 ? Hmm
[03:06] <Dr_willis> Defacto NTFS (and works for Vfat as well) guide for your Fstab/mounting of NTFS partitions -->  http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en#how_do_i_mount_an_ntfs_volume
[03:06] <Dr_willis> may want to look at their examples there.. i dont have any vfat partitiosn to check with
[03:06] <Dr_willis> i dont think you want 0 1
[03:06] <Dr_willis> but i forget what those #'s do :)
[03:06] <shadowhywind> funny thing is this is the default setup from install
[03:07] <Dr_willis> o got 0 1 also..hmm
[03:07] <Dr_willis> /dev/hda1       /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[03:07] <Dr_willis> for my ntfs drive
[03:07] <shadowhywind> my mtab says 0 0
[03:09] <mindspin> I'd like to lay around a bit with kino, but the program doesn't load ani media files, (avi, mpg) do I have to change the format in advance?
[03:09] <shadowhywind> brb
[03:09] <mindspin> play even
[03:11] <m4x1mum> whats a better player than kaffeine?
[03:11] <yeti> m4x1mum: kaffeine is pretty good imho. for DVDs, i also like vlc (videolan.org)
[03:13] <m4x1mum> do you know how to make it able to play avi, mkv and those stuff? i dont really understand the  website given by that ubotu bot
[03:13] <mindspin> !codecs
[03:13] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:13] <mindspin> there you'll find information
[03:13] <mindspin> you have to install the specific codecs
[03:15] <shadowhywind> ok so i added a file, unmounted and remounted, shutdown linux booted in windows and still nodda, any ideas?
[03:16] <m4x1mum> anyone know a software that can limit the bandwidth of application?
[03:16] <shadowhywind> trickle
[03:17] <m4x1mum> aaaah thanks
[03:19] <shadowhywind> anychance could it be file permissions screwing up on me?
[03:19] <Dr_willis> shadowhywind,  i doubt it..
[03:19] <mindspin> shadowhywind: can you explain what you are doing, I did not read your first questions
[03:20] <shadowhywind> i have a duelboot system. I have a fat32 partition that i create a folder or files in linux, wheni boot into windows and go to the partition, i can not see the files nor the folder
[03:20] <mindspin> in windows
[03:21] <shadowhywind> nod
[03:21] <shadowhywind> but in a werid twist, some files that i put into a different directory is there
[03:21] <mindspin> you have "show all folders" enabled?
[03:22] <shadowhywind> yes
[03:23] <mindspin> have you tried copying the files into "existing" i.e. "windows"directories?
[03:23] <m4x1mum> show hidden file
[03:23] <shadowhywind> that does work
[03:24] <shadowhywind> but creating a folder in linux, or just creating files in the partition doesn't show in windows, Only shows in windows "made" directories
[03:24] <mindspin> could be a permission thing , did you chmod the directories and its contetn to 777 ?
[03:25] <shadowhywind> no not yet, i was going to try that but you started talking *snickers*
[03:25] <mindspin> is it a partition used by both os or say a "special" partitiuon where you want to have your linux files ?
[03:25] <shadowhywind> its used by both
[03:26] <mindspin> so the partition itself is recognized by windows
[03:26] <shadowhywind> i have windows programs, firefox profiles, and stuff like that
[03:26] <shadowhywind> yup
[03:26] <flaccid> isn't it a fat32 partition
[03:26] <flaccid> you can't chmod 777 on fat
[03:26] <shadowhywind> it is a fat32
[03:26] <mindspin> what can you do permission-related ?
[03:27] <flaccid> there is none on fat
[03:27] <mindspin> so permission is not the point ?
[03:27] <flaccid> shadowhywind: you need windows help.
[03:27] <mindspin> yeh ;-)
[03:27] <flaccid> you can set umask etc. when mounting the part. with linux
[03:28] <reisi> how do i know which methods are actually implemented by the SimpleXMLElement?
[03:28] <mindspin> as workaround, create a folder Linux (in win) and move all your stugff there
[03:28] <shadowhywind> ok, thanks
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[03:29] <reisi> fuck, wrong window
[03:29] <flaccid> hehe thought so
[03:29] <flaccid> what language?
[03:31] <flaccid> java prolly
[03:32] <m4x1mum> is there a software that monitor network activity?
[03:32] <m4x1mum> a gui ones?
[03:32] <flaccid> in what way
[03:32] <flaccid> bandwidth meter
[03:32] <flaccid> or snmp?
[03:32] <m4x1mum> bandwidth meter
[03:32] <flaccid> i recommend knetstats
[03:33] <flaccid> kde-apps.org
[03:33] <flaccid> have to compile but
[03:33] <m4x1mum> what!!
[03:34] <flaccid> there is others
[03:34] <flaccid> i can't think of the one that comes with ubuntu
[03:34] <flaccid> sorry
[03:34] <mindspin> etherreal?
[03:36] <flaccid> yeah m4x1mum if you want something more than an icon and a graph get ethereal like mindspin said
[03:37] <m4x1mum> ok
[03:39] <vlt> Hello, I have a strange problem with kubuntu dapper 6.06: One user just told me his keyboard was broken. He already tried to solve it by rebooting but he still couldn't write any chars in his office app. I asked him how he managed to login with broken kbd ... which led us to the interesting fact that not the kbd itself was broken but KDE didn't accept any keys. Only [space]  and [backspace]  are working, and if I press CTRL+ALT+F1 the help function
[03:39] <vlt>  is activated. While logged in as another user the keyboard works w/o problems. I couldn't find any changes In system settings -> keyboard layout: 105intl,de. When I log in as this one user via vnc all keys work. The output of `xev` shows that the pressed keys are properly recognized by X server but not interpreted by KDE. What's wrong here?
[03:40] <flaccid> create a new user
[03:40] <flaccid> login as that user
[03:40] <flaccid> see if you have the same problem
[03:41] <flaccid> if that works, then there is a file to delete in kde profile. if it doesn't work then its a more major issue.
[03:41] <vlt> flaccid: I tested the behavior with another (already existing) user. It works fins.
[03:41] <vlt> s/fins/fine
[03:41] <shadowhywind1> your all going to hurt me.. i "fixed" my problem
[03:41] <flaccid> try a new one
[03:41] <flaccid> you can't hurt on irc
[03:42] <shadowhywind1> and you were right it was a windows problem
[03:42] <shuan> i used to use ubuntu now i have intalled kubuntu anyone know how i can access the add applications? i need to use the dictionary aswell
[03:42] <flaccid> coool
[03:42] <shadowhywind1> my problem was i was bringing windows back from hibernation, as soon as i restarted windows everything was there
[03:43] <msm_> hi all!
[03:43] <flaccid> ok
[03:43] <msm_> there is someone who can help me, Please?
[03:44] <flaccid> sure msm
[03:44] <flaccid> shuan: you want to add applications?
[03:44] <shuan> yes
[03:44] <flaccid> !adept
[03:44] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[03:44] <flaccid> try that
[03:44] <msm_> I'm finding a way to launch every application in Kubuntu using kdesu without promt it anytime
[03:44] <msm_> ther is a way?
[03:45] <flaccid> msm: not on ubuntu
[03:45] <msm_> then i have to launch every app fro run command prompt or modify evry command adding kdesu???
[03:46] <flaccid> why don't you run them normally?
[03:46] <msm_> sorry for my english ;)
[03:46] <flaccid> why do you require root access to every application?
[03:46] <yeti> what identd do you guys use? i used to use fakeidentd, but i see it's not in the ubuntu repositories
[03:47] <shuan> anyone know how i can acccess the dictionary
[03:47] <msm_> in example I use eclipse to develop some mine applications. When I compile my Tomcat project I have no permission to access tomcat folders
[03:48] <msm_> the same happens when I use konqueror.. and more
[03:48] <shuan> anyone used ubuntu before kubuntu
[03:48] <flaccid> msm_: you need to add your user to the group those files/dirs use
[03:49] <flaccid> shuan: which dictionary?
[03:49] <shuan> well
[03:49] <shuan> ubuntu has a dictionary
[03:49] <shuan> kubuntu has a few less things than ubuntu
[03:49] <shuan> im goin back
[03:49] <shuan> kubuntu looks nice an all
[03:49] <shuan> but its not for me
[03:50] <flaccid> if you find the name you can probably install it
[03:50] <flaccid> im sorry i havnt used the dictionary
[03:50] <shuan> its jus called dictionary
[03:50] <shuan> i tried to install it through package manager
[03:50] <flaccid> yeah its from a dif source
[03:50] <flaccid> let me have a look
[03:51] <msm_> flaccid: now i'm viewing a group "sudo". Associating my userID to this group can help me?
[03:51] <flaccid> msm_: what is the own and group of the files and folders you need access to?
[03:52] <hyper> how can I setup remote desktopping so that I can connect at work (with a window box) to my kubuntu machine?
[03:52] <msm_> flaccid: owner is root
[03:52] <flaccid> shuan: there is kdict
[03:52] <hyper> msm: why do you want to joing teh sudo group?
[03:52] <flaccid> msm_: group?
[03:52] <shuan> that will do
[03:52] <n8k99> hyper: i believe that you need to run krfb
[03:53] <m4x1mum> aaah i found a nice lightweight software, knetdock hehehe
[03:53] <flaccid> yep thats the one
[03:53] <flaccid> but i prefer knetstats myself
[03:53] <dennister> g'mornng
[03:53] <flaccid> evening
[03:53] <msm_> flaccid: I don't know. I've believed that this group allow me to work with permission on root files/directories..
[03:54] <dennister> flaccid: sorry about last night
[03:54] <flaccid> msm_: is this on a local partition or mounted network share?
[03:54] <msm_> flaccid: local partition
[03:54] <hyper> n8k99: thx :) looking at it
[03:54] <flaccid> and the owner of the files you need is sudo?
[03:54] <n8k99> hyper: you may need to send yourself an email invitation
[03:55] <hyper> n8k99: Remote Desktopping is way nice for doing certain things than just SSH :)
[03:55] <msm_> flaccid: the owner is root. I've install as root using sudo
[03:55] <flaccid> msm_: ok
[03:55] <sredna> Hm, no kde 3.5.5 packages yet?
[03:55] <hyper> msm_: it's better to give yourself temporary sudo rigths and joining the sudo group
[03:55] <flaccid> msm_: change the group of the files to your user
[03:55] <vlt> flaccid: I added a new user and logged in to KDE. The keyboard works without problems.
[03:55] <yeti> can i remove MDADM from all runlevels if i do not have lvm/softraid?
[03:56] <n8k99> hyper: yeah i know, i control my Mac Mini through Krdc even as it is only ten feet away!!
[03:56] <m4x1mum> !avi
[03:56] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:56] <msm_> flaccid: I think that I have sudo rights cause I can use sudo command!
[03:56] <dennister> !java
[03:56] <ubotu> To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[03:56] <flaccid> vlt: ok. have you had any other loss of config for any applications or any other problems?
[03:56] <dennister> !adept
[03:56] <flaccid> msm_: thats right. because you are in the admin group. so change the group of the files to either your user or admin
[03:56] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[03:57] <msm_> flaccid: Sorry, I'm new by linux and kubuntu
[03:57] <vlt> flaccid: No. Didn't notice any.
[03:57] <flaccid> ok let me find that filename
[03:57] <m4x1mum> i just need to install these on kubuntu right?  libxine-extracodecs, w32codecs, libarts1-mpeglib, libarts1-xine, libakode2-mpeg
[03:57] <m4x1mum> no need to worry about the media player?
[03:57] <hyper> n8k99: you're too lazy ^^
[03:58] <dennister> adept is locked up again by incomplete java installs
[03:58] <dennister> :-(
[03:58] <n8k99> hyper: you could say that! :)
[03:58] <msm_> flaccid: Can I give permission on usr folder? Every subfolder inherit from usr?
[03:58] <dennister> <------forgot how to remove them from cache
[03:58] <m4x1mum> my adept also lock up frequently dont know why :(
[03:59] <dennister> i know why: bad installs; u have to clear em from cache
[03:59] <flaccid> msm_: do not do that to /usr
[03:59] <dennister> but i forgot how
[04:00] <flaccid> vlt: hmm not sure which file it is
[04:00] <msm_> flaccid: I try to add "sudo" to Group field in tab "Permission" in folder property. You suggest me to do that only on needed folders?
[04:01] <flaccid> msm_: no change the group of the files to admin
[04:01] <flaccid> then you do not have to sudo
[04:01] <khirr> ello
[04:01] <khirr> how coul i change my desktop theme?
[04:01] <m4x1mum> libxine-extracodecs, w32codecs, libarts1-mpeglib, libarts1-xine, libakode2-mpeg <-- this will enable kaffeine to play avi?
[04:02] <flaccid> khirr: goto kmenu > system settings > appearance
[04:02] <khirr> where can i see?
[04:02] <n8k99> khirr: system settings>appearance
[04:02] <msm_> flaccid: well! Thank you. You think that may be dangerous to grant permission (change group) on folder usr/lib?
[04:02] <hyper> n8k99: Is just one port being used? I remember VNC on Windoze required two ports being forwarded
[04:02] <msm_> flaccid: It may cause an instable system?
[04:02] <khirr> i'm doing that
[04:03] <flaccid> msm_: yes do not do that. leave that in tact. you can change group on /usr/lib/subfolder/* but not /usr/lib/*
[04:03] <n8k99> hyper: when you are coming into your linux box, I believe it is just one port
[04:03] <flaccid> n8k99: vnc is usually 1 port being 5900 by default
[04:03] <dennister> k; found the place to remove em from cache
[04:03] <hyper> n8k99: thx :)
[04:03] <dennister> bb soon
[04:04] <flaccid> oops i meant hyper..
[04:04] <hyper> ^^
[04:04] <n8k99> hyper: your protocol will be VNC into the linux box like flaccid said
[04:04] <khirr> i've seen screenshots where there are some information in the desktop about your pc (for example ram, disk space) and looked like nice
[04:04] <khirr> how could i do that with my desktop?
[04:04] <m4x1mum> libxine-extracodecs, libarts1-mpeglib, libarts1-xine, libakode2-mpeg <-- is this for kaffeine?
[04:04] <flaccid> !vnc
[04:04] <ubotu> vnc is a way of doing remote desktop.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !freenx.
[04:04] <flaccid> ^
[04:05] <n8k99> khirr: i think that is called konqi
[04:05] <khirr> ?
[04:05] <khirr> what's that?
[04:05] <msm_> flaccid: All right! Thanks for your help. I try to do this. At next time. Sorry another time for my english. I'm italian, where are you from?
[04:05] <flaccid> australia mate
[04:05] <n8k99> khirr: a program that puts all the sysinfo on your desktop - but i could be wrong
[04:06] <khirr> why?
[04:06] <n8k99> khirr: " i've seen screenshots where there are some information in the desktop about your pc (for example ram, disk space) and looked like nice"
[04:07] <n8k99> khirr: or do you mean "why could you be wrong?"
[04:07] <khirr> yep
[04:07] <hyper> n8k99/flaccid: is it 5900 tcp or udp?
[04:09] <khirr> ?
[04:09] <dragonfire1> test
[04:09] <flaccid> tcp
[04:09] <n8k99> hyper: i amnot certain
[04:10] <hyper_> back again
[04:10] <n8k99> khirr: i could be wrong- because, well, a whole slew of reasons, but in this case because I only remember such a package from the customization forum
[04:11] <flaccid> my x11vnc. issued command fuser -v 5900/tcp. result: 5900/tcp:            flaccid   20304 F.... x11vnc
[04:11] <flaccid> if you are doing remote vnc with no encryption. consider over ssh or vpn.
[04:12] <khirr> i'd like can have my desktop as screenshots, them looked like nice
[04:12] <khirr> ;=
[04:12] <flaccid> i'm sleeping
[04:12] <flaccid> cia0
[04:13] <flaccid> n8k99: actually its both udp and tcp for most vnc servers i believe
[04:13] <flaccid> 5900/udp:            flaccid   20304 F.... x11vnc
[04:13] <khirr> how could i download software for my kubuntu distribution, i dunno, i use to download sft for mi OS, but never can install
[04:13] <khirr> are no the correct to  my OS
[04:13] <khirr> how can i know that this "version" of software is for me?
[04:14] <mindspin> adept is your friend
[04:14] <n8k99> khirr: you can use a program called adept to download and install new packages from teh kubuntu repositories
[04:14] <n8k99> flaccid: thanx mate!
[04:14] <khirr> where can get that program?
[04:14] <mindspin> its already installed
[04:14] <hyper_> khirr: adept should already be installed :)
[04:14] <khirr> i'll chek
[04:14] <n8k99> khirr:look in your kmenu under system, should be first on the list
[04:15] <khirr> is Spanish version my kubuntu
[04:15] <mindspin> menu->system->adept
[04:15] <hyper_> !spanish
[04:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about spanish - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:15] <mindspin> !es
[04:15] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[04:15] <hyper_> ^^
[04:15] <hyper_> close to it :)
[04:16] <n8k99> hyper:brilliant!! ;-)
[04:16] <khirr> but, if i wanna install emule, opera or other soft, what can i do?
[04:16] <m4x1mum> alright videos work!!
[04:17] <mindspin> n8k99: when you open it, there's a search field, type in name or keyword for the program and adept shows the software
[04:17] <mindspin> hehe
[04:17] <m4x1mum> you can install opera by downloading from opera website, make sure you download the one for ubuntu
[04:17] <mindspin> khirr:  already
[04:17] <khirr> what?
[04:18] <khirr> i cant found opera with that program
[04:18] <mindspin> no worrys, I m a bit lost ;-)
[04:18] <m4x1mum> just get it from opera's website, they have the distribution for ubuntu/kubuntu
[04:18] <mindspin> isn't opera in the "commercial repository" I'm not sure
[04:19] <khirr> but, i cant install
[04:19] <n8k99> khirr: you may need to edit your sources.list in order to allow the non-free packages
[04:19] <khirr> for example for opera
[04:19] <khirr> what should i add in my line?
[04:19] <khirr> what line shoul i agree?
[04:20] <m4x1mum> right click the .deb > kubuntu package menu > install package
[04:20] <n8k99> khirr: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto?highlight=%28repositories%29
[04:21] <khirr> thanks
[04:21] <sdculver> Anybody know where mark shuttleworth is chatting?
[04:21] <mindspin> add this to your /apt/sources.list  "http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main" (when you on dapper ;-)
[04:22] <m4x1mum> what software i nedd to display subtitle files? .sub or .idx files?
[04:22] <n8k99> sdculver: sabdfl is not online alot- world domination and all that
[04:23] <mindspin> !seen sabdfl
[04:23] <ubotu> sabdfl is on IRC right now!
[04:23] <sdculver> where?
[04:24] <khirr> deb http://mirror3.ubuntulinux.nl/ dapper-seveas freenx
[04:24] <khirr> ?
[04:24] <khirr> what direction should i put?
[04:24] <khirr> for example to opera
[04:25] <zorglu_> [16:23]  <mindspin> add this to your /apt/sources.list  "http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main" (when you on dapper ;-)
[04:25] <mindspin> after you had added the pasted line above to your file
[04:25] <mindspin> update in adept and opera is shown when you type opera in the search field
[04:26] <mindspin> then you klick on install and you should be fine
[04:26] <zblach> hey all. ndiswrapper and eft beta. how's that working out?
[04:26] <khirr> a litle confuse (:(
[04:26] <mindspin> khirr: you have adept open ?
[04:26] <khirr> yes
[04:27] <mindspin> ok I'll guide you
[04:27] <khirr> thank you so much
[04:28] <mindspin> if you klick on adept (the first entry in the menu at top) you see something like "edit sources" klick on it
[04:28] <khirr> edit sources?
[04:29] <mindspin> right
[04:29] <mindspin> or manage packet sources
[04:29] <mindspin> I#m on a german system ;-)
[04:29] <khirr> my is in spanish :D
[04:30] <mindspin> so what is the second entry called?
[04:30] <khirr> i'm in one menu that say New Repository
[04:30] <mindspin> ok
[04:30] <khirr> what should i do here?
[04:30] <mindspin> klick on it , you'll see a list of lines, similiar to the one I posted
[04:30] <mindspin> http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main
[04:30] <zorglu_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu <- for a step by step guide on how to add new repository
[04:31] <mindspin> hehe we could do it privately, but its not much traffic in here..
[04:31] <khirr> ok
[04:32] <khirr> i cant ...
[04:32] <mindspin> khirr: paste the line into the field beneath th list
[04:32] <khirr> say a mess
[04:32] <zorglu_> my intention was not to push you away, more to let you know
[04:32] <scott_> I have been trying to install java through the multiuniverse...and still having troubles...can anyone help me out here?
[04:32] <khirr> say
[04:32] <khirr> comment
[04:33] <khirr> ?
[04:34] <Vulc4n> hey
[04:34] <scott_> can anyone give me a few moments on java installation?
[04:34] <khirr> mindspin?
[04:34] <Vulc4n> I'm having an issue wih KDE not starting on my installation
[04:34] <Vulc4n> I get a mouse cursor and hen nothing else
[04:35] <m4x1mum> is there any gui bandwidth limitter?
[04:35] <Vulc4n> hmmm?
[04:35] <scott_> how good are you at java installation vulc?
[04:36] <Vulc4n> I probably can'thelp you
[04:36] <Vulc4n> I don't have much experience in linux
[04:36] <scott_> anyone else good with java installation?
[04:36] <zorglu_> m4x1mum: not that i know of, why do you want that ?
[04:36] <zorglu_> scott_: describe your problem
[04:37] <m4x1mum> well because my internet connection is shared by 3 pc, thats why
[04:37] <scott_> I can get into adept manager...but can not get it to take a multi universe setting
[04:37] <m4x1mum> i want something similar to netlimiter in windows if you know what it is
[04:37] <scott_> at least...that is what I think I am supposed to do?
[04:38] <m4x1mum> scott_ you need to edit the repository manager, add universe and multiverse then click apply
[04:38] <zorglu_> m4x1mum: it is possible to have bw limiter, but not easy to setup. it is called queue discipline on linux
[04:38] <zorglu_> !info tc
[04:38] <ubotu> Package tc does not exist in any distro I know
[04:39] <scott_> I understand...but when I do that the main restricted under components keeps coming back
[04:39] <m4x1mum> scott_ did you add a new line or append to the current line?
[04:39] <zorglu_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu <- scott_ have you tried tih
[04:39] <zorglu_> this
[04:39] <scott_> I tried to append the current line
[04:40] <m4x1mum> hmm it should work though, cause i did that as well
[04:40] <m4x1mum> you need to click the apply button before doing any fetch updates
[04:40] <Vulc4n> so anyone have any ideas for me to try to get KDE to load?
[04:41] <zorglu_> m4x1mum: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.qdisc.html <- is a link on how to do it. it is far from easy tho
[04:41] <zorglu_> m
[04:42] <zorglu_> apparently nobody is able to write a 'good' tool on top of iptable and tc
[04:42] <zorglu_> not that i know of at least
[04:43] <m4x1mum> lol ooh well, thats means im stuck with the console software that limits bandwidth as a whole, instead of individual software :(
[04:45] <cpk2> firestarter supposedly is pretty good for managing iptables
[04:47] <kumsy> which is the fastest torrent client in kubuntu
[04:49] <visik7> !apport
[04:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apport - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:49] <scott_> ok...I got the universe multiverse activated...now how to I enable java?
[04:49] <rambo3> ask ubotu
[04:49] <rambo3> send priv
[04:50] <visik7> scott_: aptitude install sun-java5-bin sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[04:50] <ccc> kumsy: ktorrent is the best kde bittorrent client IMO. but use the latest kubuntu deb from ktorrent.org
[04:50] <m4x1mum> im interested in torrent client too!, azureus is too bloated and ktorrent is not that configurable
[04:50] <m4x1mum> the best i've seen is utorrent but only for windows
[04:50] <ccc> kumsy: instead of the one in repos, that is
[04:50] <scott_> type that in a terminal?
[04:50] <prague> hi all. i recently updated kubuntu 5.10 and lost the kde menu for my network settings. System Settings -> Network -  how can I restore this?
[04:51] <zorglu_> !java > scott_
[04:51] <Vulc4n> I'm still stuck at that blank creen with just a mouse cursor
[04:51] <ccc> m4x1mum: what settings do you miss in ktorrent?
[04:51] <Vulc4n> is there a way to switch to a console?
[04:51] <zorglu_> ccc: how do you make it download automatically in a given directory instread of asking to the destination directory for each torrent ?
[04:51] <scott_> explain that for me zorglu?
[04:52] <zorglu_> !java
[04:52] <ubotu> To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[04:52] <rambo3> what was it ctrl+alt+f7
[04:52] <ccc> Vulc4n: yes, ctrl+alt+f1... and ctrl+alt+f7 to get back
[04:52] <zorglu_> scott_: this link explein how to install java
[04:53] <ccc> zorglu_: it's in the settings, "Automatically save downloads to:"
[04:54] <zorglu_> ccc: i already got this one configured, but it still ask me...
[04:54] <ccc> zorglu_: at least in version 2.0.2
[04:54] <shuan> hello
[04:54] <zorglu_> ccc: i run the 1.2 version... this may explain the bug
[04:55] <ccc> zorglu_: indeed :)
[04:55] <ccc> that's very old
[04:55] <shuan> anyone know why kubuntu will not recognize my cellphone memory card
[04:55] <zorglu_> !info ktorrent
[04:55] <ubotu> ktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2-0ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 738 kB, installed size 2964 kB
[04:55] <zorglu_> cc
[04:55] <ccc> zorglu_: get the kubuntu deb from ktorrent.org
[04:55] <zorglu_> ccc: still the last available on dapper :)
[04:56] <zorglu_> yep i willhtanks
[04:56] <m4x1mum> aaah no wonder, my ktorrent is outdated thats why its missing out functionality compared with other clients
[04:57] <nuku> the latest ktorrent is in dapper-backports...
[04:57] <ccc> oh, it's in backports now
[04:57] <Vulc4n> ccc: what id ctrl + alt + F1 does nothing?
[04:58] <m4x1mum> say, if my cpu is amd64, i should download the amd64?
[04:58] <zblach> anyone get ndiswrapper to work?
[04:58] <m4x1mum> or does that amd64 simply refer to 64bit OS?
[04:58] <MetaMorfoziS> why my kubuntu dapper restarts instead shutdown if i go to the kmenu, and select logout and SHUTDOWN , not restart...?!
[05:00] <cpk2> MetaMorfoziS: does poweroff shut down the computer?
[05:00] <MetaMorfoziS> not alltimes
[05:01] <MetaMorfoziS> sometimes it's stops before shutdown, and black or memorybug feel screen that it shows
[05:01] <ccc> Vulc4n: then i dunno. that should work, it has always worked for me. all i can think of is some keyboards need the "F-lock" enabled to activate the F-keys.
[05:01] <Arlington> anyone using slimserver from slimdevices under kubuntu.
[05:03] <MetaMorfoziS> any idea?
[05:05] <rambo3> MetaMorfoziS, check dmesg . and such see whats in:  cat /etc/rc0.d/S90halt
[05:06] <MetaMorfoziS> i dunno what i need to do with thats
[05:09] <rambo3> you can check to see if there is some device that messing it . see va/log/syslog too , /etc/rc0.d/ are links to what is done on shutdown . programs and such
[05:12] <MetaMorfoziS> [17179635.180000]  ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:01:00.0[A]  -> Link [LNKA]  -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10
[05:12] <MetaMorfoziS> this is problem?
[05:13] <MetaMorfoziS> i paste my dmesg
[05:13] <alain_> hello
[05:13] <alain_> i have a problem with the sound system in kde
[05:14] <alain_> if I use autodetect, i get a cpu overload warning
[05:14] <rambo3> MetaMorfoziS, use pastebin
[05:14] <alain_> if i manually select open sound system everything is fine
[05:14] <MetaMorfoziS> yesyes..
[05:14] <alain_> its in 6.10
[05:14] <alain_> in 6.06 it worked fine
[05:16] <MetaMorfoziS> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26080/
[05:17] <MetaMorfoziS> thisis my dmesg
[05:17] <alain_> anyone an idea?
[05:17] <alain_> why?
[05:17] <rambo3> MetaMorfoziS, is it a laptop or dekstop , and how old is it
[05:17] <n8k99> alain: i have teh same problem in 6.10
[05:18] <n8k99> alain: or at least similar
[05:18] <MetaMorfoziS> it is a laptop, about 2years old, noname machine.
[05:18] <MetaMorfoziS> Sysinfo for 'macisajt': Linux 2.6.15-27-k7 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: mobile AMD Athlon XP-M 2000+ at 1658 MHz (1328 bogomips), HD: 23/36GB, RAM: 184/186MB, 88 proc's, 10.51h up
[05:18] <MetaMorfoziS> ^^
[05:19] <jon_> there a ubuntu dapper repository for gnome 2.16
[05:19] <jon_> ?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> !info gnome-panel
[05:19] <ubotu> gnome-panel: launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2. In component main, is optional. Version 2.14.3-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 379 kB, installed size 928 kB
[05:19] <Hobbsee> jon_: no
[05:20] <jon_> Hobbsee: not even non-official?
[05:20] <damjan> !info xgl
[05:20] <ubotu> Package xgl does not exist in any distro I know
[05:20] <damjan> !info compiz
[05:20] <ubotu> compiz: OpenGL composition manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.2-4ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 125 kB, installed size 424 kB
[05:21] <Hobbsee> jon_: i dont know of any.  if you're going to backport all of the stuff in edgy, you may as well upgrade to it
[05:21] <jon_> is edgy released now?
[05:22] <MetaMorfoziS> BETA
[05:22] <n8k99> jon: edgy is beta1
[05:22] <n8k99> it is nice, still some more work in some areas
[05:22] <jon_> is it safe to upgrade?
[05:22] <jon_> from dapper?
[05:22] <rambo3> MetaMorfoziS, i think its your acpi search forums for:  asus-acpi off
[05:22] <n8k99> it's probably better to clean install
[05:23] <hyper_> jon_ I installed edgy directly... have no problems so far
[05:23] <jon_> i'll leave it for now. might do it later.
[05:23] <MetaMorfoziS> asus?
[05:23] <MetaMorfoziS> why asus?
[05:23] <dennister> I am finding this java business in kubuntu sooooooo frustrating!
[05:23] <hyper_> isn't the edgy stable release planned by the end of the month?
[05:23] <MetaMorfoziS> i have mitac motherboard
[05:24] <n8k99> dennister:java or javascript?
[05:24] <dennister> java...have made some progress, but not enough
[05:24] <RichEd> Final edgy release date: Thu 26th Occt
[05:24] <TheGateKeeper> dennister: so you got kubuntu installed then :-)
[05:25] <dennister> oh i've had kubuntu installed for some time now
[05:25] <RichEd> Quick Poll: how many of the people lurking & active here are involved in the Education sector using Kubuntu ?
[05:25] <dennister> i'm trying to troubleshoot azureus, which i know well from windows, but that means improving the java support
[05:25] <TheGateKeeper> dennister: oh I remember you where trying to tidy up yesterday
[05:26] <dennister> yes TheGateKeeper, and it's quite clean now, ty
[05:26] <TheGateKeeper> dennister: good stuff :-)
[05:26] <rambo3> MetaMorfoziS, try this : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24388
[05:27] <dennister> but 'm thinking of getting rid of the whole tuner busienss and just downloading
[05:27] <dennister> so i need a drag'ndrop filesharing
[05:28] <n8k99> dennister: dnd filesharing on your network, cant you do that in konqueror?
[05:28] <MetaMorfoziS> rambo3: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26083/
[05:28] <MetaMorfoziS> i have this acpis
[05:28] <MetaMorfoziS> i read forward
[05:28] <dennister> i've been following the java howto on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java#head-6524a0c56845e40dccd32676dad42830325e5707
[05:29] <MetaMorfoziS> rambo3: and i turn off acpi, it's not causes problems? for example fans never started again if it overheats etc?
[05:29] <dennister> and while i now have a box for java plugins in firefox (b4 i had only the puzzle piece) that's as far as i can get
[05:29] <rambo3> MetaMorfoziS, acpi turnes off fans, if you have no acpi then they will spin forever
[05:30] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm don't want that...
[05:30] <dennister> i can't even find the 'configure firefox" option in Firefox's tools
[05:30] <dennister> it used to be there...
[05:31] <TheGateKeeper> dennister: Edit --> preferences
[05:31] <LeeJunFan_away> rovclock can underclock your radeon card too to keep your gpu fan from needing to spin all the time.
[05:31] <LeeJunFan_away> I cut my gpu clockrate in 1/2 and still xgl/beryl works as fast as ever.
[05:32] <dennister> TheGateKeeper: i've got java and javascript enabled there
[05:33] <TheGateKeeper> dennister: installed the plugin?
[05:33] <dennister> yes
[05:36] <dennister> oh, the tools "configure" for plugins that I was remembering came from konq
[05:37] <dennister> but certainly in firefox i've even made the links....that enabled the java box at least (as opposed to the puzzle pieces)
[05:38] <dennister> and i have a GCJ web plugin now, too
[05:38] <dennister> but it's showing exception errors :-(
[05:39] <dennister> like at the top of that applet: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: while resolving class: jreVerify
[05:40] <mindspin> !tell me about easysource
[05:41] <mindspin> !easysource
[05:41] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:42] <dennister> TheGateKeeper: any ideas?
[05:43] <ubuntu__> huhu, it works
[05:43] <TheGateKeeper> dennister: what is the url you are going to?
[05:44] <dennister> TheGateKeeper: it's a speedtest site from AzureusWiki: http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest?loc=4&premium=
[05:45] <intelikey> hmmm my script that oppens tty's for me works every place except tty1  for some reason init closes that console on me.   i could move the script that opens it to the last thing init does but that almost defeats the purpose...   any thoughts ?
[05:46] <Kr4t05> Man, this is the one thing I don't like about doing a fresh install.
[05:46] <TheGateKeeper> dennister: don't know why you are having a problem, however there are loads of bandwidth speed test web sites, just google
[05:47] <Kr4t05> I need to make a script that will get/install easyubuntu, run it, and update all of my other packages.
[05:48] <dennister> i know there are lots of sites, but they all have the faulty java applet, so its the java on my pc that's not right
[05:50] <cpk2> dennister: i dont see anything on that page either =(
[05:51] <dennister> hm...should i be masquerading as another browser? or simply reboot my machine?
[05:51] <dennister> i know konq has to have kde reloaded b4 changes take affect
[05:51] <kappellaio> hi
[05:52] <kappellaio> there are somebody from italy?
[05:52] <intelikey> !it
[05:52] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:52] <dennister> a lot of these speed test sites also give other apps to download, but i'm nervous about these other apps cause they're generally for windows
[05:53] <cpk2> i dont know why i cant load that page either, I am using sun java
[05:54] <dennister> i can load the page, but not the applet...it's got to be something to do with these GCG web plugin error messages
[05:54] <cpk2> err well i meant the applet =x
[05:54] <cpk2> I dont get any errors on konq
[05:55] <cpk2> at least firefox tells me I am missing the java plugin
[05:55] <alain_> anyone knows where i report a bug about artsd
[05:55] <Sharketor> hi
[05:55] <dennister> ok :) i'm glad i got the previous page working well though...it had icons where it now has text
[05:55] <n8k99> Sharketor:hi
[05:55] <intelikey> malone
[05:55] <dennister> firefox isn't telling me i'm missing anythng
[05:55] <Sharketor> I would know how I can enable cd rom il adept
[05:55] <intelikey> alain_ malone
[05:56] <Sharketor> *in adept
[05:56] <dennister> TheGateKeeper: have u given up? moved on to other matters?
[05:57] <Sharketor> Who can help me????
[05:57] <dennister> Sharketor: hold on a sec
[05:57] <n8k99> Sharketor: what seems to be the trouble?
[05:57] <dennister> k...better techies than this noob have time ;D
[05:58] <Sharketor> I have to install the linux headers, which are on cd rom
[05:58] <dennister> I'm going to reboot to restart kde and hopefully get the plugin in konq
[05:58] <dennister> bbsoon
[05:59] <n8k99> Sharketor: do you have the cd?
[05:59] <Sharketor> yes
[05:59] <Sharketor> well
[06:00] <intelikey> Sharketor apt-cache search linux-headers    && sudo apt-get install linux-headers-<your version>
[06:00] <n8k99> alain: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/arts/+bugs
[06:01] <Sharketor> well, I have no internet connection
[06:01] <Sharketor> Now I'm on xp
[06:02] <intelikey> you installed from the cd correct ?
[06:02] <Sharketor> linux headers need me to install modem drivers on kubuntu
[06:02] <Sharketor> yes, i installed from live cd
[06:02] <intelikey> Sharketor so then; apt-cache search linux-headers    && sudo apt-get install linux-headers-<your version>
[06:03] <Sharketor> ok, thanks
[06:03] <LjL> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` shoudl also do the trick, without looking up the version manually
[06:04] <Sharketor> another question: where is in kubuntu the file with the list of operative system???
[06:04] <LjL> you mean /boot/grub/menu.lst i think
[06:04] <Sharketor> ljl: this doesn't work, already tried
[06:04] <LjL> take care when editing that file, though, you might render the system unusable
[06:04] <LjL> i see
[06:04] <LjL> well, what does "uname -r" say anyway?
[06:04] <Sharketor> ok
[06:04] <trappist> well, nice thing about grub is you can still boot even if you screw up the config
[06:04] <intelikey> Sharketor if for some strange reason that doesn't work.   use   sudo apt-cdrom add
[06:05] <LjL> trappist: yeah, you have to know how though
[06:05] <intelikey> and yes the file you ask about is /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:05] <trappist> LjL: yeah, and good luck getting on irc from the grub prompt
[06:05] <Sharketor> ok, I try
[06:05] <Sharketor> thank all
[06:05] <LjL> trappist: that would be a useful feature, though
[06:05] <Sharketor> bye
[06:06] <intelikey> :)
[06:08] <intelikey> well time to make hey while the sun is shining...
[06:08] <cpk2> how about irc from bios? =)
[06:08] <LjL> cpk2: well, the BIOS is something i'd scrap completely, so no
[06:08] <Admiral_Chicago> hold on
[06:08] <Admiral_Chicago> nevermindh
[06:08] <intelikey> LjL irc from grub   hehhe   didn't think that one through did you...  :)
[06:08] <raul12>  PLZ HELP READ THESE  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26088/
[06:09] <yeti> is there any command that lists all files that belong to an installed package
[06:09] <apokryphos> raul12: no caps please
[06:09] <LjL> intelikey: well, i do really believe it wouldn't be hard if you just focused on just irc with a specific device (say, a hardware dial-up modem). of course, though, it makes no sense
[06:09] <raul12>  ok sry
[06:09] <LjL> yeti: dpkg -L packagename
[06:10] <TheGateKeeper> raul12: may be of assisstance idk ---> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[06:10] <milan> hi when executing google earth it says it can't find libXcursor.so.1
[06:10] <milan> but i do have that libary
[06:10] <yeti> LjL, thanks
[06:10] <milan> im on 64-bit
[06:10] <LjL> intelikey: heh yeah, you have a point about exploitable bootloaders not being necessarily a good thing ;)
[06:11] <apokryphos> raul12: it won't work
[06:11] <LjL> !info libxcursor1
[06:11] <apokryphos> raul12: debian-based systems aren't biarch-compatible unfortunately
[06:11] <ubotu> libxcursor1: X cursor management library. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.5.2-0ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 21 kB, installed size 72 kB
[06:11] <intelikey> i gota go.   see yous guys laters   :)
[06:12] <trappist> milan: I have to run google earth from a 32bit chroot
[06:12] <milan> ok.. do you know how trappist?
[06:12] <apokryphos> milan: same issue as raul12
[06:12] <apokryphos> !chroot
[06:12] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[06:12] <raul12>  then
[06:12] <milan> ok thanks
[06:13] <trappist> milan: it might be possible not to - where is your libXcursor.so.1 and what does it point to?
[06:13] <raul12> ok
[06:13] <apokryphos> raul12: you do know you don't HAVE to have a 32-bit version of opera, right?
[06:13] <milan> is this possible: /usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1
[06:13] <trappist> milan: if it's not in /usr/lib32, try installing ia32-libs-gtk
[06:13] <raul12> yup
[06:13] <milan> cause there is that file
[06:13] <milan> ok ill try
[06:14] <raul12> i have opera 32 virsion
[06:14] <trappist> milan: a 32bit app like this will need 32bit libs, which (if they exist) will be in /usr/lib32
[06:14] <apokryphos> or, rather, that you can run their 32-bit version
[06:14] <milan> ah ok
[06:14] <apokryphos> it's self-contained, I believe; get the static qt one
[06:14] <raul12> but i installed all lib32 files
[06:14] <milan> so i can run every 32-bit program on 64-bit kubuntu
[06:14] <milan> or just a few?
[06:15] <milan> with the right libaries of course
[06:15] <milan> ok thanks it works :D
[06:15] <apokryphos> are you guys talking about edgy?
[06:15] <trappist> milan: if you're lucky, all the ones that require libs available in the repos, but biarch stuff is tricky and may not always work.  so, I keep a 32bit chroot around to avoid the drama.
[06:15] <trappist> milan: cool
[06:15] <raul12>  i also have 32 bit wine to install
[06:15] <apokryphos> do they have seperate 32-bit packs for amd64s?
[06:16] <raul12>  no drapper
[06:16] <trappist> apokryphos: apt-cache search ia32
[06:16] <apokryphos> hm, interesting
[06:17] <raul12>  any ideas
[06:17] <TheGateKeeper> apokryphos: if you install 64 bit & want to run flash or multimedia with codecs you have to install the 32bit stuff
[06:17] <trappist> raul12: 32bit chroot, is how I do it
[06:17] <apokryphos> TheGateKeeper: I didn't realise that was available for dapper, at all
[06:17] <raul12>  and how do i do that ??
[06:17] <apokryphos> are these 32bit libs meant to be complete?
[06:17] <milan> OpenHL really s*cks here :P
[06:17] <milan> *openGL
[06:18] <trappist> raul12: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[06:18] <TheGateKeeper> apokryphos: yep dapper has 64bit along with a lot of other distros
[06:18] <hyper_> hiho trappist
[06:18] <raul12>  ok on it
[06:18] <trappist> hyper_
[06:18] <apokryphos> TheGateKeeper: I don't mean 64bit, I mean 32bit libs for 64bit
[06:18] <apokryphos> looks like there's only a very small selection of such packages
[06:19] <hyper> trappist: already found a fix for the wallpaper thingy?
[06:19] <apokryphos> (which is as I thought)
[06:19] <milan> trappist: does this also work with Skype for linux?
[06:19] <trappist> milan: presumably
[06:19] <TheGateKeeper> apokryphos: 64bit can run 32bit, just like 32bit can run 16bit
[06:19] <trappist> hyper: no, I started messing with other stuff
[06:19] <apokryphos> TheGateKeeper: but it's all not very useful if your distro doesn't provide those backward-compatible packages
[06:19] <LjL> TheGateKeeper: can 64bit run 16bit?
[06:20] <LjL> apokryphos: well, it's still quite useful in that you can intall a 32bit distro on a 64bit system
[06:20] <hyper> trappist: don't worry :)it's not that bad...  I still have plenty of diskspace so I just copied them all into one folder... 18k wallpapers
[06:20] <apokryphos> and it's not all 64-bit, it's mainly amd64 which is backward compatible, right?
[06:20] <TheGateKeeper> LjL: it should be able to
[06:20] <apokryphos> LjL: I know, but for a distro to resort to that (considering amd64 has been around for so long) is really quite bad
[06:20] <trappist> hyper: you could save the disk space by making symlinks instead of copies
[06:21] <LjL> apokryphos: well, have you ever used windows 95? if so, when did you ditch the last win16 program you had running on it?
[06:22] <hyper> trappist: hmm, you don't happen to have a scripts that makes recursive symlinks? I don't how many folders there were... probably 200-300
[06:22] <apokryphos> I probably haven't ever used win 95 for more than a couple of days, so nope
[06:22] <trappist> hyper: find -type f /path/to/wallpaper/dir -exec ln -s {} /new/wallpaperdir/ \;
[06:22] <LjL> apokryphos: well, then just believe my word that such transitions can take some good time
[06:22] <hyper> trappis: I'll write that down :) thx
[06:22] <hyper> trappist: only 3.5 GB
[06:23] <apokryphos> LjL: in comparison to some other Linux distros, it is quite a poor show
[06:23] <apokryphos> SUSE has been biarch-compatible since like 9.1 or something
[06:23] <milan> well, now im following a tutorial to install skype for linux on 64-bit and it says to install libqt3-mt if you are missing some libaries but that one is already istalled.
[06:24] <milan> and i do miss some libaries :P
[06:24] <apokryphos> milan: get the static qt version of skype from their site
[06:24] <alexicon> heya
[06:24] <alexicon> my dhcp is setting the resolve wrong
[06:25] <alexicon> how can i get the networking init script to stop changing the resolve.conf
[06:25] <beligum> apokryphos: is that right?
[06:25] <apokryphos> and yet it's a nice big advertisement on their main download page
[06:25] <trappist> alexicon: use static ip and routing, and not dhcp
[06:25] <apokryphos> beligum: Windows version: 2.5; Linux: 1.3, and has been......for ages
[06:25] <alexicon> ok thanks
[06:25] <apokryphos> Linux version has seen none of the great new things that ebay brought in
[06:25] <milan> 1.3 :|
[06:25] <hyper> trappist: taht will not work
[06:26] <beligum> didn't know that
[06:26] <apokryphos> beligum: and really, it's ridiculous, since Skype is coded in Qt
[06:27] <apokryphos> LjL: thing is, the windows Skype version has really really good webcam support
[06:27] <beligum> didn't know that either :)
[06:27] <apokryphos> something that's just still not perfected on Linux at all. Kind of sucks.
[06:28] <LjL> apokryphos: well, if i had to use a webcam, i'd rather use SIP compliant software anyway -- or some other decent, open protocol for that matter, just not skyoe
[06:28] <milan> i cant extract the binary :|
[06:28] <apokryphos> milan: what's the error?
[06:28] <milan> uuh
[06:28] <milan> dutch error :P
[06:29] <beligum> I'm looking for some people who want to make cool software videos using ScreenKast
[06:29] <milan> cant translate it
[06:29] <LjL> just paste it
[06:29] <apokryphos> LjL: I'd prefer it, but I'd much rather see my girlfriend on a cam and not use OSS than the contrary
[06:29] <trappist> hyper: why
[06:29] <beligum> apokryphos: lol
[06:29] <milan> ow w8
[06:29] <milan> :P
[06:29] <LjL> apokryphos: and i suppose you can't convince your girlfriend to use SIP software?
[06:29] <milan> lol
[06:29] <milan> i dint have an extension :P
[06:29] <hyper> trappsit:
[06:29] <hyper> hyper@hyper-linux:/media/hdb3/samba$ find -type f /media/hdb3/samba/wallpapers -exec ln -s {} /new/wallpaperdir/ \;
[06:29] <hyper> find: paths must precede expression
[06:29] <hyper> Usage: find [-H]  [-L]  [-P]  [path...]  [expression] 
[06:30] <apokryphos> LjL: SIP?
[06:30] <milan> gtg thanks and bye all
[06:30] <trappist> hyper: oh, sorry: find /media/hdb3/samba/wallpapers -type f -exec ln -s {} /new/wallpaperdir/ \;
[06:30] <TheGateKeeper> LjL: can you get SIP software to work on your pc?
[06:30] <hyper> trappist that seems to work
[06:31] <LjL> apokryphos: yeah, the protocol that's used in Ekiga, WengoPhone, KCall, Twinkle, KPhone, linphone, and by just about every voip provider in the world -- except skype
[06:31] <hyper> at least the computer is doing something
[06:31] <LjL> TheGateKeeper: well, the KDE SIP software that there's around is not quite optimal. but i think we have kphone (bleah), twinkle and wengophone in the repos
[06:31] <apokryphos> LjL: I haven't tried it; maybe I'll try out kcall now.
[06:31] <apokryphos> or maybe just ekiga
[06:32] <LjL> apokryphos: kcall's not packaged
[06:32] <n8k99> kopete has camera support
[06:32] <LjL> apokryphos: try wengophone, for something user-friendly that also has a windows version (so you have the same software as your girlfriend)
[06:32] <apokryphos> n8k99: yeah, but it isn't great
[06:32] <LjL> wengophone runs on QT
[06:32] <apokryphos> LjL: I have her on Linux, actually ;-), I just need to get round to doing her wireless one ofthese days
[06:32] <n8k99> apokryphos:thanx
[06:32] <TheGateKeeper> LjL: I have tried both Ekiga & twinkle & can't get either of them to work properly
[06:32] <LjL> and i don't even know what protocol it uses anyway
[06:33] <apokryphos> LjL: on suse -- kcall's in repository here
[06:33] <LjL> ah i see
[06:33] <LjL> TheGateKeeper: well, i admit that all the SIP parameters can be sort of confusing at times.
[06:33] <apokryphos> n8k99: well, at least with my webcam. They weren't very helpful at all either, really, in #kopete
[06:34] <alexicon> whats the default group kubuntu chosses for user home dir files
[06:34] <LjL> apokryphos: anyway if you have it packaged, yeah, imho kcall is the best of the bunch
[06:34] <alexicon> users?
[06:34] <apokryphos> cool
[06:34] <LjL> alexicon: the group with the same name as the username
[06:34] <apokryphos> alexicon: I think it's just username:username on anything
[06:34] <apokryphos> s/anything/everything/
[06:35] <alexicon> ooh yeah..
[06:35] <alexicon> hrmm
[06:35] <hyper> trappist: thx
[06:35] <trappist> hyper: np
[06:35] <LjL> alexicon: when you create a user, a group is always (well if you use adduser) automaticlly added with the same name
[06:35] <alexicon> if i want to install kubuntu and share a home dir with gentoo which uses username:users
[06:35] <TheGateKeeper> LjL: I Ekiga to register my account but when I call sip:500@ekiga.net I get nothing, I think I have teamspeak working, & skype works really well on windows
[06:36] <n8k99> apokryphos: i believe that therre is a new version of kopete that will roll out with kde 3.5.5
[06:36] <alexicon> i had a conflict with kubuntu and suse before, dotfile properties get overwritten and kde doesnt like it much
[06:36] <TheGateKeeper> the SIP clients just seem to be a bad nightmare!!
[06:36] <apokryphos> n8k99: the newest version won't, it'll just be a bugfix release
[06:36] <n8k99> right
[06:36] <n8k99> oh well
[06:37] <apokryphos> they do have a feature-release version
[06:37] <LjL> TheGateKeeper: well, i don't have an ekiga account (and i don't have ekiga for that matter). though, i agree, SIP can be a bad beast to configure correctly... it should be made easier. still, at least, it's an open protocol that you can support easily
[06:37] <apokryphos> 0.12 IIRC
[06:38] <n8k99> it seems as if the biggest developmemts will be in the releae of kde4
[06:38] <apokryphos> n8k99: indeed
[06:38] <TheGateKeeper> LjL: fat lot of use if you can't get it to work, & I have had gentoo people trying to help, & if they can't figure it you are stuffed
[06:38] <LjL> TheGateKeeper: that's not very surprising on the other hand imho, anyway... with skype, you get something that works out of the box, but *only* with a skype account -- and you need the original skype software since the protocol is closed. SIP clients, on the other hand, can be harder to configure... but that's partly because they can work with just about any provider
[06:39] <Vulc4n> hey
[06:39] <apokryphos> kcall looks very simplistic so far
[06:39] <n8k99> Vulc4n:hello
[06:40] <LjL> apokryphos: yeah, oh wait a moment though... i forgot that you wanted webcam for a minute. i don't know which KDE SIP clients have video support, i only know that wengophone does
[06:40] <apokryphos> yeah, realised it doesn't have iw
[06:40] <LjL> (and ekiga, but that's not KDE)
[06:40] <apokryphos> *doens' thave it now
[06:40] <apokryphos> I'll try wengophone
[06:40] <dughy> it's possible to have same information to config wifi?
[06:41] <n8k99> Vulc4n: what is the problem?
[06:41] <Vulc4n> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=9709.0
[06:41] <LjL> apokryphos: wengophone will try to get you to register a wengo account (well, same does ekiga for that matter, IIRC), but don't be fooled -- it *is* an actual SIP client that can be configured for any SIP provider
[06:41] <Vulc4n> might just be easier for you to read that
[06:41] <n8k99> Vulc4n: one sec
[06:41] <LjL> (and to find SIP providers, http://www.voipuser.co.uk)
[06:42] <LjL> oh, it's voipuser.org actually
[06:42] <hyper> Vulc4n: at least you got further with the install than my buddy :)
[06:42] <Vulc4n> hyper, heh, still just as useless though :P
[06:43] <Vulc4n> I can get to a bash prompt by choosing the second option in the bootloader
[06:43] <Vulc4n> someone mentionedl ooking at a log file or something
[06:43] <hyper> Vulc4n: He tried all dapper and edgy versions and got always stuck at extracting vmlinux at boot... however breezy installed fine.. but when he wanted to upgrade to dapper, after reboot the same...
[06:43] <n8k99> that's a very interesting prob you have there Vulc4n
[06:44] <Vulc4n> I think it must have to be graphics driver problem
[06:44] <Vulc4n> the other interestign thing is that the live cd for ubuntu worked in 'safe grpahics mode'
[06:44] <Vulc4n> but the kubuntu live cd did not work in safe graphics mode
[06:45] <Vulc4n> I had to use the alternate install cd
[06:45] <dughy> please help me......
[06:45] <hyper> vulcan: howabou installing ubuntu and adding kde afterwards?
[06:45] <n8k99> and you can't get a getty up?
[06:45] <LjL> !wifi
[06:45] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:45] <dughy> grazie
[06:45] <B-Minus> hey all
[06:45] <LjL> prego
[06:46] <dughy> italiano?
[06:46] <Vulc4n> hyper, I suppose I could try that, even when I did get ubuntu installed it did not seem to have a propper graphics driver
[06:46] <hyper> !it
[06:46] <LjL> yep
[06:46] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[06:46] <n8k99> !it
[06:46] <Vulc4n> as in I couldn't se the resolution/refresh rate
[06:46] <hyper> vulc4n: are there any proper graphics driver that you can isntall afterwards?
[06:46] <dughy> nono it's no problem
[06:46] <Vulc4n> I have no idea
[06:46] <Vulc4n> and I'm not sureh ow
[06:46] <hyper> is this nvidia or ati?
[06:46] <LjL> he was just asking whether *i* was italian
[06:47] <Vulc4n> this is my first venture outside windows in years
[06:47] <Vulc4n> nvidia 7800 gt
[06:47] <hyper> there is a howto about nvidia driver install
[06:47] <hyper> lemme find it on the forum
[06:47] <n8k99> !nvidia
[06:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:47] <apokryphos> LjL: any idea what ports SIP wants to be forwarded?
[06:48] <LjL> apokryphos: no, i don't know, but that's because SIP always worked for me without forwarding any port (and i *can't* forward ports anyway)... i think you need to specify a STUN server though, for that sort of thing to work
[06:49] <apokryphos> it says Symmetric NAT is supported, but not ideal
[06:49] <LjL> apokryphos: oh, well, i don't know if it's not ideal. anyway, one standard port is 6081 i think, not even sure though
[06:49] <hyper> vulc4n:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=255929
[06:50] <LjL> apokryphos: that's really just the port *you* connect to, anyway
[06:50] <Vulc4n> okay... thanks for that.  I'm goign to give it a try and see what happens
[06:51] <Vulc4n> someone mentioned al og file I coudl loo kat that might reveal what is happening
[06:51] <hyper> good luck :)
[06:51] <Vulc4n> know what it is / how to access it?
[06:51] <hyper> vulcan: probably syslog
[06:51] <[Deathmaster] > hi all, anyone of you using netscape ??
[06:51] <LjL> apokryphos: if it were for me, i'd just go with the NAT and see if it works well nuff
[06:51] <LjL> hopefully, not
[06:52] <hyper> vulcan: n8k99 also posted this:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:53] <LjL> if only wengophone actually was a KDE app, i'd probably use it :\
[06:53] <[Deathmaster] > ok another question i installed java 5 with ap-get and i aslo installed the plugin for mozilla but i have problems with web chats applets
[06:53] <raul12>  is wine aviable in 64bit  version
[06:53] <n8k99> vulc4n: / is you root filesystem -
[06:54] <Vulc4n> yes
[06:54] <hyper> vulcan: actually there's another guide... I'm looking for it now
[06:54] <Vulc4n> k
[06:54] <LjL> well actually i think i wouldn't use wengophone anyway, since it doesn't support multiple concurrently connected accounts
[06:54] <n8k99> vulc4n: i was going to say you can get to it from the command line with this command "cd /"
[06:55] <n8k99> vulc4n: when you log ino the getty, ctrl+alt+f1 or in the gui you use terminal
[06:56] <raul12>   is wine aviable in 64bit  version
[06:57] <Vulc4n> getty?
[07:03] <GwenDragon> Hi
[07:05] <felixjet> hi
[07:06] <raul12>   is wine aviable in 64bit  version ????????????/
[07:06] <fdoving> ?????
[07:06] <fdoving> !!!
[07:06] <fdoving> :)
[07:06] <raul12> ^_^!!!!
[07:06] <nebi> nadie habla espaol?
[07:06] <fdoving> raul12: check http://packages.ubuntu.com
[07:06] <fdoving> !es > nebi
[07:06] <hyper> vulcan, I can't find it anymore but I copied and pasted it into my "linux wiki" :)
[07:07] <Lintsi> !info kaffeine
[07:07] <ubotu> kaffeine: versatile media player for KDE 3. In component main, is optional. Version 0.7.1-1.3ubuntu10 (dapper), package size 1528 kB, installed size 3748 kB
[07:08] <hyper> vulc4n: I used that here: http://www.phpfi.com/161927
[07:08] <felixjet> i have a problem >.<
[07:08] <felixjet> the sound dont works!
[07:08] <felixjet> it does yesterday but today it dont works and i dunno why
[07:09] <felixjet> any idea?
[07:11] <vulcanium> hyper: thanks
[07:13] <hyper> vulcan: good luck :)
[07:13] <Arlington> anyone using slimserver
[07:14] <dennister> hi again
[07:14] <hyper> trappist?
[07:15] <vulcanium> thanks hyper... I'm on the latptop here so I can get some more guidane while Im trying it o nthe desktop
[07:15] <dennister> anyone know azueus here? what to do about new .jar files?
[07:16] <hyper> vulcan: are you now in the command shell?
[07:16] <n8k99> felixjet: are you using edgy?
[07:17] <GwenDragon> I need some help with serois prob with SMP kernel
[07:17] <vulcanium> hyper: yep, I followed that guide you posted first.. it was the shortest
[07:17] <TheGateKeeper> LjL: this looks a little more promising: http://www.brunolinux.com/10-General_Info/VoIP_with_Kphone.html
[07:17] <hyper> well, the one I posted on phpfi is the one I followed :)
[07:18] <hyper> <-- has a legacy driver card
[07:18] <vulcanium> well, its booting now, lets see if it did it
[07:18] <VanessaE> got a question regarding edgy.... has anyone had a problem with Ctrl-Alt-Plus/Minus not working?
[07:18] <hyper> ^^
[07:18] <dennister> k...i'm going away for a bit to remember how to do tar files..cya soon i'm sure
[07:18] <vulcanium> seems it may have worked
[07:18] <vulcanium> yep
[07:18] <VanessaE> (trying to fix swanfl's machine still)
[07:18] <hyper> dennister: what is that suppost to do?
[07:18] <vulcanium> w00t!
[07:18] <vulcanium> thank yo usooo much hyper
[07:18] <dennister> what is what supposed to do?
[07:18] <LjL> TheGateKeeper: ah, kphone supports video. thought not. (still, kphone is in a sad state right now... though i see development has been resumed by a new team)
[07:19] <hyper> dennister:  ctrl + alt + Plus/Minus
[07:19] <hyper> vulcan: is it working?
[07:19] <Dr_willis> Hmm..  Ktorrent is showing me -2.24% done on this stalled torrent. :()  NO Peers no seeds,  LOL.
[07:19] <dennister> hold on: serious probs now
[07:19] <dennister> gonna have to close down konversation
[07:20] <VanessaE> (works fine on my dapper box, his edgy setup is as correct as it can be...I'm figuring X is at fault but I can't find a single meaningful reference on google)
[07:20] <hyper> anyone knows how I can check whether someone is connected to my desktop through desktop sharing (I accept uninvited but have set a password)?
[07:20] <vulcanium> hyper: yes, perfectly
[07:20] <hyper> vulcanium: then I suggest you do what I did: I installed a wiki and everything something helps me I post it there... so that if I hve the problems later again, I just go there and get the solution again
[07:21] <TheGateKeeper> LjL: well I was more along the lines of actually being able to get something working, it's inabilty to support video for me at least isn't really an issue
[07:21] <TheGateKeeper> thinking* more along the line
[07:22] <LjL> TheGateKeeper: yeah, i was just thinking loudly. but still, that article talks about strange things... like H323 (which is a *different* and alternative protocol to SIP) and firewalls...
[07:22] <tdn> I am using KDE but I do run some programs which uses GTK or something... These programs have a default font-size that is much larger than the one I like to have in KDE. (Screenshot of an example here: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/tmp/gtk_large_fonts.png) How do I set the font-size for these programs so that they look more like my KDE programs? Actually in the screenshot I am using Eclipse and the fonts are so big that I can not use it. I can not fit it all on my scr
[07:23] <n8k99> tdn: System Settings> Appearance > GTK fonts
[07:23] <VanessaE> tdn: there's a setting in KDE control Center for that: Appearance and Themes -> GTK...
[07:23] <VanessaE> um, thanks n8k :)
[07:23] <trappist> hyper: ?
[07:23] <VanessaE> or you can turn that ^^^^ feature off and use Gnome control center to configure the GTK fonts
[07:24] <tdn> n8k99, ok.
[07:24] <hyper> trappist:  how I can check whether someone is connected to my desktop through desktop sharing (I accept uninvited but have set a password)?
[07:24] <tdn> VanessaE, why would I want to turn that feature off?
[07:24] <VanessaE> tdn: under certain circumstances, it doesn't work properly.
[07:25] <VanessaE> I don't remember what now, but I've seen it fail at least once.
[07:25] <n8k99> tdn: you can also download additional gtk-themes through adept
[07:25] <tdn> VanessaE, ok. Right now I really just need to get my Eclipse usable.
[07:25] <TheGateKeeper> Ekiga has got h323 settings, but goodness knows what you are supposed to do, kphone looks like you could SIP working
[07:25] <tdn> n8k99, ok. Do you recommend any?
[07:25] <zorglu_> tdn: i have one working, the only change i made was using sun java
[07:26] <n8k99> tdn: i am using Sphere Crystal - it closely matchs my kwin style
[07:26] <tdn> zorglu_, this is really not the problem here... Although I would like to know how to install Sun Java JDK/JRE the "right way".
[07:26] <tdn> n8k99, ok. Thanks.
[07:26] <zorglu_> !java
[07:26] <ubotu> To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[07:26] <felixjet> n8k99 im using 6.06 dapper
[07:27] <felixjet> sorry i was afk
[07:27] <zorglu_> tdn: it is the steps i followed
[07:27] <n8k99> felixjet:ok
[07:27] <trappist> hyper: dunno, I don't even know what protocol kde uses for desktop sharing
[07:27] <n8k99> felixjet:https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/arts/+bugshttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/arts/+bugs
[07:27] <tdn> zorglu_, ok.
[07:27] <hyper> trappist: I use krdf or krfd or whatever it's called... it's included in kcontrol :)
[07:27] <n8k99> felixjet: check those out and see if any of them match your condition
[07:29] <n8k99> tdn: this is my desktop now, with both kde and gtk apps open http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=3695&cat=3
[07:29] <felixjet> n8k99 nope :( is not there
[07:30] <felixjet> that bugs are from a distro update, i did a clean install from CD
[07:30] <n8k99> felixjet: have you restarted your sound system?
[07:30] <felixjet> can you tell me how plz?
[07:30] <zorglu_> n8k99: xgl needs a 3d background for the cube :) the 2d one appears 'weird'
[07:30] <felixjet> i just restarted the whole machine XD
[07:30] <n8k99> System Settings > Sound>
[07:31] <n8k99> zorglu_: no mine is the big one with out the cube
[07:31] <felixjet> done
[07:31] <felixjet> i deactivated / activated it
[07:31] <felixjet> still no stound
[07:31] <vulcanium> okay... now just to get my onboard audio working
[07:31] <felixjet> sound*
[07:31] <vulcanium> any guides for that?
[07:31] <n8k99> !arts
[07:31] <ubotu> arts: sound system from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.2-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 5 kB, installed size 36 kB
[07:32] <tdn> n8k99, ok. This is mine: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/tmp/kde-setup/
[07:32] <felixjet> btw, in system->sound->hardware->force dev location* can i force my system to play sounds with the secondary sound card?
[07:33] <n8k99> tdn: very nice
[07:34] <n8k99> felixjet: there is a howto in the forums for troubleshooting your sound
[07:34] <vulcanium> awesome tdn.
[07:34] <vulcanium> felixjet: send me the link if you find it first
[07:34] <felixjet> which forums?
[07:35] <felixjet> k vulcanium XD
[07:35] <n8k99> felixjet:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449
[07:35] <fdoving> there is also
[07:35] <fdoving> !sound
[07:35] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:35] <tdn> n8k99, thanks :)
[07:35] <tdn> vulcanium, thanks :)
[07:37] <Chet> I'm trying to install WoW using wine and crossover, but the install craps out at cd change, and advice
[07:37] <Chet> any advice*
[07:42] <vulcanium> hmmm
[07:43] <vulcanium> seems my onboard sound isn't being picked up at all
[07:46] <felixjet> no sound :(
[07:46] <felixjet> i reinstalled alsa drivers
[07:47] <felixjet> but when i type aplay -l i get a list of the devices, but the sound dont works, and its at 100% volume, master,pcm, etc
[07:47] <n8k99> felixjet:i'm in the same place with edgy
[07:48] <felixjet> how can i delete devices?
[07:49] <felixjet> i would like to uninstall the motherboard sound card and ethernet
[07:49] <felixjet> since im using another cards (SB and realetk)
[07:50] <n8k99> under sound in the system settings can you chose the hardware that you are using
[07:50] <felixjet> in the force location dev ?
[07:51] <n8k99> felixjet: yeah it seems like that would be the place where you can make that selection
[07:52] <felixjet> and what about ethernet?
[07:53] <n8k99> felixjet: that would be under networking in the system settings
[07:53] <zorglu_> !info kernel-headers-2.6.15-26-386
[07:53] <ubotu> Package kernel-headers-2.6.15-26-386 does not exist in any distro I know
[07:53] <felixjet> the motherboard eth appears in all the modules, for example, with superkaramba i use a module to display eth traffic but it shows eth0 and im using eth1 to connect
[07:53] <n8k99> felixjet: hmmm....
[07:53] <felixjet> yes, in that menu appear the 2 eth devices but i cant uninstall from there
[07:53] <felixjet> just configure/enable/disable
[07:53] <n8k99> felixjet: but you can disable one
[07:54] <felixjet> but i need my realtek on eth0
[07:54] <felixjet> yep
[07:54] <felixjet> but disable eth0 (motherboard) will not move the device to eth1
[07:54] <felixjet> i need the realtek on eth0
[07:54] <felixjet> do you understand me?
[07:54] <felixjet> my english sucks heh
[07:55] <n8k99> felixjet: no i understand you just fine , am thinking
[07:55] <dennister> how is everyone this fine Happy Plugin Day?!
[07:55] <dennister> 'tis Thanksgiving in Toronto, btw :)
[07:55] <ryanr> I am looking at the output from a fdisk -l on 2 computers the one that is working properly has a * in the column for boot the one that is not booting properly does not have an * How significant is that?
[07:56] <n8k99> felixjet: what is the realtek?
[07:58] <felixjet> the realtek is the ethernet card i use
[07:58] <felixjet> located on eth1
[07:58] <felixjet> and the motherboard ethernet card is on eth0. and i dont use it, its disabled
[07:58] <felixjet> but i need the realtek card on eth0
[07:58] <dennister> isn't realtek the sound on the mobo?
[07:59] <dennister> felixjet: it sounds like u have the same mobo as i do
[07:59] <felixjet> because some traffic analyzers only read eth0 and i cant setup them
[07:59] <n8k99> felixjet: right. there should be no real need to reassign the realtek to eth0 for it to operate , in fact i'm pretty certain that you can not do that as the motherboard ethernet comes first in the hardware stack
[07:59] <dennister> i've disabled my eth1 2
[07:59] <B-Minus_> does anyone know a good traffic analyzer ??
[08:00] <willian> oi
[08:00] <zorglu_> B-Minus_: etherreal ?
[08:00] <willian> alguem do Brazil?
[08:00] <zorglu_> !pt
[08:00] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[08:00] <felixjet> then what can i do :(
[08:00] <willian> join #ubuntu-br
[08:01] <willian> join ubuntu-br
[08:01] <willian> #ubuntu-br
[08:01] <zorglu_> willian: "/join #ubuntu-br"
[08:01] <felixjet> the superkaramba modules that analyzer traffic cant be setup, and they show info about eth0
[08:01] <felixjet> and im using eth1
[08:02] <n8k99> felixjet: that i am not sure of at the moment - i dont use superkaramba so i haven't a clue
[08:02] <dennister> bipolar? what a nic
[08:02] <bipolar> heh
[08:02] <dennister> r u seriously bipolar?
[08:02] <bipolar> yeah
[08:03] <dennister> welcome bipolar! i am 2
[08:03] <bipolar> :)
[08:03] <dennister> 1 in a hundred
[08:03] <ryanr> I am looking at the output from a fdisk -l on 2 computers the one that is working properly has a * in the column for boot the one that is not booting properly does not have an * How significant is that?
[08:04] <dennister> ryanr:  very serious
[08:04] <dennister> the * symbol tells you that it is bootable
[08:05] <dennister> no * = no booting
[08:05] <n8k99> felixjet can you change the default network traffic to "eth1"
[08:05] <ryanr> dennister. heres the fun part it is a dual boot XP and ubuntu it boots to ubuntu but not XP
[08:06] <dennister> yeah, real fun
[08:06] <ryanr> any thoughts about that?
[08:06] <dennister> does it have a grub entry for xp?
[08:06] <ryanr> dennister it does
[08:07] <dennister> hmmm...mine just did it, without fooling windows or anything...but then again, xp is on 2nd separate drive
[08:07] <dennister> have u checked how some of the howtos for dualbooting?
[08:08] <ryanr> dennister would it matter that is it is on a sata drive
[08:08] <thygrrr> Can I somehow tell KDE not to resume each and every application upon startup that was running before shutdown?
[08:08] <mariam> can anybody help me?
[08:08] <dennister> ryanr: no it shouldn't matter what kind of drive
[08:08] <ryanr> dennister I have but nothing seems to relate
[08:08] <mariam> age1172
[08:09] <dennister> <-----too much of a noob to help, methinks
[08:09] <ryanr> dennister thanks
[08:09] <purpleposeidon> ....has anyone been having problems with ff randomly freezing up?
[08:09] <estel> hi, where what is the name of the package of a pcl6 driver for cups?
[08:10] <age1172> i have  a toshiba laptop with ati radeon mobility x1600 card ?
[08:10] <scenestar> join #emacs
[08:11] <n8k99> felixjet: which widget is the network traffic?
[08:11] <age1172> and i can't install the driver properly
[08:11] <age1172> i tried to install the driver from ati site
[08:12] <felixjet> n8k99 SkSystemMonitor
[08:12] <felixjet> on SuperKaramba
[08:12] <age1172> but it gave me error message at the end of the setup
[08:12] <n8k99> felixjet: yes on superkarmaba what's the widget's name?
[08:13] <felixjet> SkSystemMonitor
[08:13] <wildchild> does apt have package for nvidia driveres?
[08:13] <wildchild> drivers*
[08:13] <age1172> and tried fglrx
[08:15] <age1172> my problem is that my opengl version is 1.2
[08:15] <age1172> and the graphics are slow
[08:16] <dennister> wildchild: yes, it does for nvidia
[08:16] <age1172> any help?
[08:16] <wildchild> dennister: maybe u know the name of the package
[08:16] <rampage>  i have installed dchroot for 32bit packge installation but still unable to use opera 32bit installatioon
[08:16] <rampage>  plz help
[08:18] <rampage>  how to install 32bit opera .deb file ????
[08:19] <dennister> sorry wildchild: i don't know it off the top of my head
[08:19] <rampage>  ok i have done it
[08:19] <dennister> but just do a search for nvidia...
[08:19] <rampage>  i have installed it
[08:19] <rampage>  walla YADooo
[08:19] <rampage>  Yahooo
[08:20] <dennister> read it carefully to see if it's right for ur card
[08:20] <rampage> :D
[08:20] <yonkeltron> will there be shipit cds of edgy eft?
[08:20] <dennister> there's also a howto for nvida cards available on the main community support wiki
[08:20] <dennister> !nvida
[08:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nvida - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:20] <dennister> !nvidia
[08:20] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:21] <dennister> see that...it will help
[08:21] <wildchild>  dennister: there is nvidia-glx package  binary driver..
[08:21] <TheGateKeeper> yonkeltron: would imagine so once it's released
[08:21] <yonkeltron> TheGateKeeper: excellent
[08:21] <dennister> wildchild: it depends on ur card; i have a 7800 series card, so i used the nvidia-glx
[08:22] <dennister> plus a linux-headers, but that was a dependency, so it came automatically
[08:22] <wildchild> so I need to see nvida list first...
[08:22] <wildchild> I have fx 5500
[08:22] <dennister> perhaps...what is ur card exactly wildchild?
[08:22] <wildchild> ge force fx 5500
[08:22] <wildchild> 256MB of ram
[08:23] <dennister> k, that one might already be part of ubuntu
[08:23] <winst0n> hi
[08:24] <dennister> find out by going to system settings-> display (as root) and scrolling to see if ur card is there
[08:24] <dennister> u may not have to download and install anything
[08:24] <vulcanium> hmmmm
[08:24] <vulcanium> ssomething happened :/
[08:24] <dennister> <-------has a newer card
[08:25] <dennister> !hardware
[08:25] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[08:25] <winst0n> is there any possible way to  crunch an partiton which is twofish encrypted when i know 98% of the password??
[08:25] <vulcanium> for some reason I'm getting an error which says "usplash: no usable theme found for 640x480"
[08:25] <vulcanium> "screen init failed"
[08:25] <dennister> wildchild: ? u still there?
[08:25] <B-Minus_> whats a command in shell to see all upload/download ?
[08:26] <TheGateKeeper> wildchild: lspci will give you hardware info
[08:27] <TheGateKeeper> B-Minus_: you talking about wget ??
[08:27] <wildchild> denniste: yes
[08:27] <fdoving> B-Minus_: iptraf, nload, bwm
[08:27] <B-Minus_> TheGateKeeper: no
[08:27] <B-Minus_> fdoving: tnx
[08:28] <fdoving> B-Minus_: those are to view 'now', vnstat is for statistics over time. like 'how many mb last week/month/year' etc.
[08:28] <dennister> wildchild: TheGateKeeper gave u a command: lspci, for more info on ur card
[08:28] <dennister> just type that command into shell
[08:28] <B-Minus_> fdoving: ok tnx that was what i needed
[08:30] <wildchild> I'll pate bin
[08:31] <dennister> i keep forgetting how to use pastebin...but TheGateKeeper is better at giving tech support than i
[08:31] <dennister> <------tries, but isn't that great yet
[08:31] <wildchild> How can I stop installing package
[08:31] <age1172> i have  a toshiba laptop with ati radeon mobility x1600 card
[08:31] <TheGateKeeper> dennister: practise make perfect :-)
[08:31] <wildchild> I noticed that the wrong package is installing
[08:31] <wildchild> well now is downloading it..
[08:32] <TheGateKeeper> wildchild: Ctrl + c
[08:32] <age1172> and i can't install the driver properly
[08:32] <age1172>  i tried to install the driver from ati site
[08:32] <dennister> yes, Ctrl-C stops a lot
[08:32] <wildchild> http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/195570
[08:32] <wildchild> my NVIDIA
[08:32] <age1172> but it gave me error message at the end of the setup
[08:32] <age1172> and tried fglrx
[08:32] <TheGateKeeper> wildchild: but if it's started installing let it install then uninstall
[08:32] <age1172> my problem is that my opengl version is 1.2
[08:33] <age1172> and the graphics are slow
[08:33] <wildchild> TheGateKeeper: It was downloadin the package..
[08:33] <wildchild> and I stopped it
[08:34] <TheGateKeeper> wildchild: GeForce FX 5500  <--- that is your video card
[08:35] <TheGateKeeper> wildchild: just be carefull using Ctrl + c don't bork your install
[08:35] <wildchild> TheGateKeeper: so I have to install nvidia-glx  list of cards http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8762/README/appendix-a.html
[08:36] <wildchild> I am intending to install xgl
[08:36] <wildchild> is there any guide for installin this on KUBUNTU
[08:36] <wildchild> or any how to
[08:36] <Hawkwind> !xgl
[08:36] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[08:37] <TheGateKeeper> wildchild: yep ^^^
[08:38] <TheGateKeeper> wildchild: GeForce FX 5500 	0x0326   <--- entry in the list
[08:39] <vulcanium> is there any particular reason that uname-r would return 'generic'
[08:39] <vulcanium> with the version number obviously
[08:42] <TheGateKeeper> vulcanium: I just get a version number, have a look at /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:45] <vulcanium> okay... everything was fine until that last reboot
[08:45] <vulcanium> x server is no longer starting
[08:46] <mini_gamer1896> a quick question, how do i manually edit the repo's?
[08:46] <MotorCityMadMan> hello: what prog. is recommended for web development environment for KDE for a beginner ?
[08:46] <mini_gamer1896> done it before, but can't remember
[08:46] <TheGateKeeper> vulcanium: have a look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:46] <n8k99> mini_gamer1896: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:46] <mini_gamer1896> k, thanks
[08:47] <TheGateKeeper> vulcanium: if that seems ok then when you do startx it should give you some indication of what it doesn't like
[08:47] <Anders0> has anyone installed Edgy Eft Beta with an ATI card?
[08:48] <Anders0> I just get a black screen.. tried VGA, 1024 in 16 bit and 32 bit.. 1280 didnt help either
[08:48] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:49] <TheGateKeeper> Anders0: try #ubuntu+1
[08:49] <Anders0> ok
[08:49] <TheGateKeeper> might have more luck there
[08:50] <Anders0> thanks
[08:52] <vulcanium> Anders0 do you have a cursor?
[08:52] <Anders0> nope, nothing
[08:52] <Anders0> ctrl+alt+F2 dosnt help either, still a black screen
[08:52] <vulcanium> well, I don't really know what I'm doing myself
[08:52] <vulcanium> but I fixed a similar problem today with some help here
[08:52] <vulcanium> try choosing the second option in grub
[08:53] <vulcanium> and then follow this guide... http://www.phpfi.com/161927
[08:53] <vulcanium> it worked for me
[08:53] <Anders0> the one with "safe craphics" or whatever? dosnt work :)
[08:53] <Anders0> ill have no problem installing the drivers.. if i could just get a commandline
[08:54] <TheGateKeeper> vulcanium: Anders0 looks like the edge drivers are shit
[08:55] <TheGateKeeper> Anders0: use a livecd and chroot in
[08:55] <Anders0> I am using the livecd
[08:55] <Anders0> Im pretty sure i had the same problem with Dapper, had to use the Alternative cd
[08:55] <TheGateKeeper> Anders0: mount your / filesystem then & chroot
[08:56] <Anders0> Edgy isnt installed yet, its the Desktop cd that dosnt work
[08:57] <vulcanium> ohh this is on the live cd?
[08:57] <Anders0> yeah
[08:57] <vulcanium> I had the same issue
[08:57] <TheGateKeeper> ohhh
[08:57] <vulcanium> get the alternate install cd
[08:57] <vulcanium> then you will have to follow the guide I linked you to mostl ikely
[08:57] <TheGateKeeper> yep that has a text installer
[08:57] <vulcanium> my sound still isn't working
[08:57] <TheGateKeeper> now you tell us :-)
[08:57] <vulcanium> kmixer picks it up
[08:58] <TheGateKeeper> !sound
[08:58] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[08:58] <vulcanium> but, I can't get anything out of the spdif out or the analog out
[08:58] <Anders0> okay, i ended up doing the same thing last time.. never got KDevelop working, and screwed the system pretty much trying to install Xgl/Compiz :P
[09:00] <vulcanium> why are some applications dependant on the shell you use?
[09:01] <nikola> hello guys i need help blanking a cdrw
[09:01] <nikola>  i am getting the following error: Error trying to open /dev/sg0 exclusively (Permission denied
[09:02] <DaSkreech> What are you doing?
[09:02] <DaSkreech>  blanking it on the command line?
[09:02] <nikola> nope using k3b and gnomebaker same message
[09:05] <Arlington> how to change permissions for a file?
[09:06] <LjL> man chmod
[09:06] <nabil> hi everyone
[09:06] <insanekane> hi all
[09:06] <LjL> or rather, google chmod, since the man page is not incredibly helpful
[09:06] <insanekane> Arlington: in GUI, right click and select Properties
[09:06] <nabil> count me in..have installed kubuntu first time
[09:06] <insanekane> Arlington: in CLI, use chmod ... e.g., chmod +x filebnaame to make it executable for you
[09:07] <DaSkreech> tried starting it with kdesu ?
[09:07] <nabil> anyone know how do i get 1280 X 800 resolution on my laptop
[09:07] <insanekane> nabil: the display resolution doesnt have that as an option ?
[09:07] <LjL> nabil: if you don't see it in System Settings, then a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" may be due
[09:07] <LjL> !fixres
[09:07] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:08] <Arlington> it said operation not alloved (translated from swedish.
[09:08] <fdoving> then use sudo.
[09:09] <Arlington> no change :-(
[09:10] <DaSkreech> Arlington: Who owns the file?
[09:10] <wildchild> during downloading some package I press ctrl + t. Will this effect or harm my previous downloading
[09:11] <Arlington> i have this program called slimserver taht created a "subuser" called slimserver.
[09:11] <Arlington> and when the program runs it needs acces to that file but can't acces it. i don't know how to get it to work
[09:11] <Arlington> writeacces.
[09:12] <DaSkreech> Arlington: Who owns the file?
[09:13] <Arlington> that user called slimserver
[09:13] <zorglu_> ls -l yourfilename
[09:13] <Arlington> but that is no user that is possible to logon with. i'am kind of lost because i don't know the difference with my account user (jonas) and that user called slimserver
[09:15] <zorglu_> the only case i see where root is unable to write a file is when write access is denied, can you paste here a ls -l thefilenameyouaretalkingabout
[09:15] <DaSkreech> Arlington: when you ls -l the file there should be something like -r-x-rwx---
[09:15] <DaSkreech> can you paste that here?
[09:17] <Arlington> -rwxr-xr-x 1 slimserver nogroup 5412 2006-10-09 11:07 slimserver.pref
[09:17] <wildchild> how do I set katapult
[09:17] <LjL> "set" to what?
[09:18] <DaSkreech> Arlington: ok good and what error are you getting?
[09:18] <Arlington> in my log file for the program it says 2006-10-09 21:12:48.5279 ERROR: Cannot write to preferences file /etc/slimserver.conf, any changes made will not be preserved for the next startup of the server
[09:18] <zorglu_> Arlington: "kdesu kate slimserver.pref" should be able to edit and modify this file
[09:18] <Arlington> sorry wron entry.
[09:19] <zorglu_> ok forget my sentence :)
[09:19] <zorglu_> ls -ln slimserver.pref <- to get the groupe id
[09:19] <DaSkreech> May I just note that simserver.conf != slimserver.pref ?
[09:19] <LjL> wildchild, what do you mean "how do i set katapult"?
[09:19] <zorglu_> maouaouaoua :)
[09:20] <zorglu_> indeed :) ok off im way to lame to help :)
[09:20] <Arlington> aaah the problem is that slimserver.pref i  root- root how can  i delete a file through console?
[09:22] <Arlington> DaSkreech:  how can i delete a file through console?
[09:22] <DaSkreech> Arlington: why are you deleting it?
[09:22] <DaSkreech> just change the owner
[09:23] <Arlington> how can i change the owner then?
[09:23] <DaSkreech> sudo chown <newowner> filename
[09:24] <Arlington> DaSkreech: Access denied
[09:24] <yeti> i'd like to set hotkeys for changing workspaces (Alt+F2 for second ws e.g.) but can't find the menu option where i can do so, can somebody help?
[09:28] <DaSkreech> Arlington: who are you logged in as now?
[09:28] <DaSkreech> type whoami
[09:29] <Arlington> returns jonas
[09:31] <tictric_> yeti: I don't know where that's coded into but I wouldn't change that one. That one works across all *nixes and is somewhat of a standard.
[09:31] <yeti> tictric_, so what is standard? i though alt+f(number) was, but it doesn't work here
[09:31] <tictric_> Even if you haven't got X it works on the console (but that's where it was introduced first of course)
[09:32] <yeti> i'm NOT talking about non-X ttys/vcs here, i'm talking about X, and alt-f2/f3 etc does NOT work
[09:32] <zorglu_> yeti: kmenu -> system setting -> regional + accessibility -> keyboard shortcut
[09:32] <tictric_> yeti: ah, sorry. CTRL-F! bla bla
[09:32] <tictric_> yeti: ah, sorry. CTRL-F1 bla bla
[09:32] <yeti> zorglu_, tictric_, thanks
[09:33] <zorglu_> yeti: not that they are already bound to other actions. personnally i use 'window key' -> f1 f2 etc.. to switch desktop
[09:33] <zorglu_> not=note
[09:33] <yeti> okay
[09:33] <heidi> In file does kde store its info for restore session? I tried starting beryl-manager from cmdline and it crashes and now running startx x crsahes because kde want to recover my beryl-manger process how do I stop it from that?
[09:34] <heidi> In which file ...
[09:34] <zorglu_> heidi: tried to look at /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[09:35] <zorglu_> ?
[09:35] <Arlington> DaSkreech
[09:35] <Arlington> DaSkreech: ?
[09:35] <intelikey> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[09:35] <intelikey> why am i getting this error ?
[09:35] <DaSkreech> Arlington: sorry
[09:35] <heidi> zorglu_: I just want to stop kde from restooriing last sessionan all will be fine
[09:36] <DaSkreech> That is your main user?
[09:36] <zorglu_> heidi: another possibility i see is using the kdm menu, you can choose the session. i dunno where kde store this particular info... maybe in ~/.kde somewhere
[09:37] <heidi> I cant start x
[09:37] <heidi> I am in comd line
[09:37] <Arlington> DaSkreech: means you don't know or?
[09:37] <heidi> X crashes because it want to restore old session in which i called veryl-manger
[09:37] <zorglu_> heidi: not even kdm ? the "graphical login" stuff ?
[09:37] <heidi> I start X using startx
[09:38] <heidi> But this doent help now because it want to restore old session
[09:38] <DaSkreech> Arlington: Who was your first user?
[09:38] <DaSkreech> heidi: XGL?
[09:38] <heidi> I mean I had normal X running using startx the i ran beryl-manager from konsole
[09:38] <dennister> I am getting so sick of this...fix one prob, fix creates anotehr problem, fix to that causes another...
[09:39] <dennister> re-starting kde pps. bbs
[09:39] <heidi> And now it X crashes when kde starts loafding previous session
[09:39] <Arlington> how do u mean. my only user is this one called jonas
[09:39] <heidi> So all I need to know is how to stop restorring old kde session
[09:40] <DaSkreech> Arlington: Ok good That's what I wanted to know :)
[09:40] <Arlington> DaSkreech: soo...
[09:40] <DaSkreech> and sudo chown slimserver /path/to/file gives access denied?
[09:41] <Arlington> DaSkreech: yes
[09:42] <DaSkreech> Is the slimserver running?
[09:42] <Arlington> yes
[09:42] <DaSkreech> Stop it
[09:42] <Arlington> how do i do that :-S
[09:43] <DaSkreech> I don't know you started it :)
[09:43] <Arlington> bah.
[09:43] <Arlington> it's a .sh file...
[09:43] <DaSkreech> Where is it?
[09:44] <Arlington> "/usr/local/slimserver"
[09:44] <Arlington> .pl file it is...
[09:44] <DaSkreech> Ah perl :)
[09:45] <Arlington> yes.
[09:45] <tony_> hello everyone.. can i intall LILO bootloader
[09:46] <DaSkreech> sudo apt-get install lilo
[09:46] <tony_> would that override my grub withouth problme with windows partition ?
[09:47] <Dragonball26> hallo an alle kann mir jemand sagen wie ich unter kubuntu eine partition einrichten kann um windows zu installieren?
[09:47] <wildchild> !lilo
[09:47] <ubotu> lilo is an alternative [Li] nux Boot[Lo] ader. Note: it is recommended that you use GRUB on Ubuntu instead.
[09:47] <tony_> i guess i stay with grub :(
[09:47] <DaSkreech> Arlington: It runs with no parameters?
[09:48] <n8k99> Dragonball: !de
[09:48] <Arlington> DaSkreech:  i have this start script.,..
[09:48] <n8k99> yikes didnt work
[09:48] <notech> why is it recommended to use grub? just personal preference of whoever put the definition in the bot?
[09:48] <DaSkreech> Arlington: Is there a stop script?
[09:49] <DaSkreech> n8k99: Like this
[09:49] <DaSkreech>  !de > Dragonball26
[09:49] <Arlington> probably. some where.
[09:49] <DaSkreech> See if you can find one. After the server is stopped you will likely be given access to the file
[09:50] <Arlington> okay :-)
[09:50] <zorglu_> notech: i would say that grub is the defacto standard. so it is likely better to use grub to get support
[09:50] <notech> zorglu_: standard?
[09:50] <zorglu_> ?
[09:50] <LjL> 
[09:50] <notech> you mean kubuntu chose grub so that's considered standard?
[09:51] <zorglu_> LjL: :)
[09:51] <LjL> notech: i think most distributions are using grub these days
[09:51] <zorglu_> notech: no i mean because grub is a lot more used than lilo
[09:51] <notech> i only run one other distro and it uses lilo, dunno about others
[09:52] <Arlington> i know have access but using "sudo chown <newowner> filename" dosn't make any difference.
[09:52] <t0taln00b> slackware based distros still use lilo
[09:52] <zorglu_> notech: i know suse and fedora uses grub
[09:52] <zorglu_> notech: which distro do you use which is based on lilo
[09:52] <notech> sounds like slackware and mandriva use lilo
[09:52] <t0taln00b> mandriva uses grub
[09:53] <notech> default in mandriva is lilo
[09:53] <t0taln00b> yeah u can pick :)
[09:53] <notech> grub is an option though
[09:53] <t0taln00b> but
[09:53] <t0taln00b> zenwalk uses lilo
[09:54] <age1172> how to enable direct rendering?
[09:54] <notech> thanks, was just curious why grub was recommended on kubuntu
[09:54] <zorglu_> age1172: install a video driver supporting it
[09:54] <age1172> i've installed a game
[09:54] <t0taln00b> and as i mentioned earlier slack based distros use lilo
[09:54] <vulcanium> damn this audio problem is pissing me off
[09:54] <xxx> ahoj je tu nejakej cech ?
[09:54] <LjL> notech: i think it's mostly just because it's the default, and hence tested by more people, and more people know how it works. not to mention that it's got more features, even though it *may* also be more confusing
[09:54] <age1172> and it says enable direct rendering
[09:55] <LjL> cz
[09:55] <LjL> !cz
[09:55] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[09:55] <age1172> my graphics are very slow
[09:55] <zorglu_> glxinfo | grep rendering <- to know if you have it or not age1172
[09:55] <vulcanium> I cannot seem to get any sort of auio output at all
[09:56] <age1172> it says no
[09:56] <age1172> my card is ati radeon mobility x1600
[09:56] <zorglu_> !ati
[09:56] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:56] <zorglu_> age1172: install those drivers and it should be ok
[09:57] <age1172> thanks i will try
[09:57] <dennister> i can't believe i've actually got this working
[09:58] <dennister> oops...forgot to configure it properly...brb
[10:00] <dennister> hmmm; it seems to have kept old settings :-)
[10:01] <vulcanium> w0000t
[10:01] <vulcanium> sound now too
[10:01] <vulcanium> but its still funky
[10:01] <dennister> it's such a pain to set azureus's settings
[10:01] <vulcanium> no spdif out
[10:01] <vulcanium> and the only analog output is coming out of the wrong port
[10:02] <pplu> kubuntu para espaoles?
[10:02] <LjL> !es
[10:02] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:02] <dennister> if anyone wants a dragndrop filesharing prog, azureus does work, but it;s a pain
[10:02] <dennister> hi LeeJunFan
[10:03] <pplu> gracias
[10:03] <LeeJunFan> dennister: hello
[10:03] <dennister> pps will be in good hands now
[10:04] <dennister> <-----is doing ok for a change
[10:04] <Lozmir> nabedn! mein kubuntu erkennt noch meine digikam die ber usb als mass storage erkannt wird mountet diese aber nicht mehr automatisch wie gestern noch. was kann ich tun?
[10:04] <LjL> !de
[10:04] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:04] <hyper> !lspci
[10:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lspci - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:05] <Lozmir> sry wrong channel
[10:05] <dennister> it's just that no one seems to want the mp3's i have available :(
[10:05] <dennister> <--kicks herself
[10:06] <dennister> i forget to make them torrent files! lol
[10:06] <n8k99> !jingle
[10:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jingle - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:06] <dennister> hi n8k99
[10:06] <n8k99> hi dennister
[10:07] <n8k99> how's it going dennister
[10:08] <dennister> i finally got my azureus upgraded :)
[10:08] <dennister> the one on the packer lists is way too old
[10:08] <age1172> zorglu_: how can i identify video card's bus identifier correctly
[10:08] <age1172> my card is pci express 16 x
[10:09] <zorglu_> age1172: lspci will give you the content of the pci bus, find your video card in it
[10:09] <zorglu_> 0000:01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M <- 01:05 for me
[10:09] <vulcanium> ugghhh
[10:10] <vulcanium> with nvmixer
[10:12] <age1172> zorglu_:it says 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 71c
[10:12] <dennister> but dang it if that popup applet won't go away again!
[10:12] <dennister> at one point it was finally going away nicely
[10:12] <bLaZeD> has anyone had problems with a few repos....i had to take out the opera plf and umm..there was one more.....i hope its not just me.....
[10:12] <zorglu_> age1172: so it is 1.0 :)
[10:14] <dennister> bLaZeD: some of the repos r out of date
[10:14] <Arlington> how to change the group preferences of a file? like chown
[10:14] <zorglu_> if you want the bleeding edge, you can use edgy
[10:15] <zorglu_> Arlington: use 'chgrp'
[10:15] <bLaZeD> dennister, whats the best thing to do?...just comment out the ones that arnt working atm and use the ones that are?
[10:15] <age1172> but why it is unknown
[10:15] <dennister> I'm going to try and wean myself off the packagers...download newest apps in tar format
[10:15] <age1172> willthis affect anything
[10:15] <zorglu_> age1172: dunno
[10:15] <zorglu_> age1172: what is important is the driver, not the lspci display
[10:16] <Arlington> thnx
[10:16] <dennister> i don't know...the packagers usually take care of dependencies...but apparently aptitude does that better
[10:16] <zorglu_> dennister: if you do that, dont forget to mention it while getting help, as it may affects greatly the system
[10:16] <dennister> anyone? does aptitude also use the same repositories as the packagers?
[10:17] <zorglu_> what is the 'packagers'
[10:17] <dennister> zorglu_: ok, i will
[10:17] <Hawkwind> dennister: Probably not a good idea.  If you want to compile everything then you probably shouldn't run a .deb or .rpm based distro
[10:17] <zorglu_> all the programmes downloading package automatically use the list in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:17] <dennister> the packagers are adept, apt, synamptic...
[10:17] <age1172> then what i should write as a card bus identifier?
[10:17] <Hawkwind> dennister: That will certainly cause great issues, especially when trying to update your system and many other things
[10:18] <Hawkwind> dennister: Why not just learn to use apt-get from the CLI.  It's not that hard and it works better than most of the GUI package managers
[10:18] <age1172> AGP:01:00.0
[10:18] <dennister> so what's the alternative? download an app, after much headache find out its old, then remove and download newer one?
[10:18] <age1172> or something else
[10:18] <dennister> like i just did with azureus?
[10:19] <Hawkwind> dennister: Stick with pre-built packages for the distro as much as possible.  Azureus is a p2p app which most will give you great issues trying to install or get working correctly
[10:19] <age1172> zorglu_: then what i should write as a card bus identifier?
[10:20] <Hawkwind> dennister: If you're just doing torrents, then why not use something like ktorrent or bittorrent
[10:20] <zorglu_> dennister: if you want to have the 'newest apps' you can use edgy. or a more bleeding edge distribution
[10:20] <age1172> AGP:01:00.0 or something else
[10:20] <dennister> Hawkwind: i will learn it, or better yet, aptitude, but that doesn't solve the probs of the repositories having out-of-date apps
[10:20] <zorglu_> age1172: i dunno... i dont use those drivers
[10:20] <Hawkwind> dennister: What's out of date that you need so badly ?
[10:20] <zorglu_> dennister: it is not 'out of date' it is 'stable'
[10:20] <Ertain> Does anyone know a search program that can find duplicates of files in a directory?  Even if the files have different names?
[10:21] <dennister> Hawkwind: i needed a drag n/drop fileshare
[10:21] <Hawkwind> dennister: If you want the latest and greatest, which isn't always the best, then run the development version of Ubuntu, which is currently Edgy
[10:21] <zorglu_> dennister: 'brand new' may seems cool but it mean 'unstable' too :)
[10:21] <Hawkwind> dennister: What's wrong with ktorrent ?
[10:21] <dennister> aureus was something i'm familiar with...
[10:21] <VanessaE> etrain: try diff
[10:21] <Hawkwind> dennister: So learn other things and don't limit yourself
[10:21] <dennister> ktorrent doesn't do drag n drop from stuff you've found on google
[10:22] <dennister> and even frostwire that i downloaded couldn't find the downloads i wanted
[10:22] <VanessaE> not exactly what you want but it's a start if you suspect certain files to be dupes.
[10:22] <VanessaE> opera has a decent torrent client in it..
[10:22] <bLaZeD> dennister, i use azureus and it works very good
[10:23] <bLaZeD> dennister, u will need to install the java5-sun-bin package..then configure ubuntu to use that version of java
[10:23] <dennister> bLaZeD: yes it does, i used for for a long time in windows, and even their 'newest & greatest" is stable
[10:23] <Hawkwind> dennister: Azureus is just a pain to compile, and a very memory intensive program.  What's so important about drag n drop ?
[10:23] <bLaZeD> then just dl the latest version of azureus and unpack it.....
[10:23] <dennister> otherwise i do tend to stick with the stable stuff...
[10:24] <dennister> drag n drop is important because you can find stuff u need in google that you can't find through the searching in non drag n drop file share apps like ktorrent and frostwire
[10:24] <Hawkwind> dennister: It's fine to compile azureus, but I wouldn't get in the habit of compiling anything and everything.  Unless you really know how to maintain a Linux system
[10:24] <bLaZeD> Hawkwind, i feel him on that he wants to use azureus...ive come quite fond it as well....and well...i got 2 gigs ram so i dont care how much mem it uses :P
[10:24] <Hawkwind> dennister: What can you find on google that you can't find in other places ?
[10:25] <dennister> Hawkwind: i HATE compiling stuff...if i could avoid it i would
[10:25] <dennister> here's my problem: this is a home theatre pc
[10:25] <Hawkwind> bLaZeD: I'm not saying not to use it.  She mentioned that she was going to stop using apt, aptitude, synaptic and adept.  That leaves compiling
[10:25] <bLaZeD> compile azureus....i dled it and thats it...ii dont think u compile it
[10:25] <dennister> i worked like a dog for 3 days to try and get the ivtv drivers going, and nada
[10:26] <bLaZeD> lol well thats not a good idea....if u want that use slack or freebsd or even gentoo :/
[10:26] <dennister> so i'm thinking: why not just download the tv shows i'm missing, and possibly do without cable tv
[10:27] <dennister> ??? hence my filesharing app adventures
[10:27] <Hawkwind> dennister: You can do that with ktorrent.  I download movies/tv shows all day long.  I surely don't use google for it since google doesn't have near the illegal stuff that torrent sites have
[10:27] <Hawkwind> dennister: FYI....I download 20+ movies every single day, 7 days a week.  Get people to invite you to private torrent sites that have anything and everything you would ever need
[10:27] <bLaZeD> yea googling for torrents....thats gotta be a pain in the arse
[10:28] <zorglu_> couch couch no need to talk abotu illegal activity here
[10:28] <dennister> great Hawkwind can u show me how? I tried ktorrent first
[10:28] <bLaZeD> are tv show illegal to dl?
[10:28] <vulcanium> is there a sound card which works partiularly well in linux?
[10:28] <zorglu_> bLa
[10:28] <dennister> zorglu_: i'm paying for cable and not able to use it
[10:28] <bLaZeD> u can tivo them and its legal right?
[10:28] <vulcanium> I'm not making much progress with this onboard audio
[10:28] <Hawkwind> dennister: You simply click on a file and tell it to download in ktorrent. It's that simple
[10:29] <Hawkwind> bLaZeD: If it's shared, then it's illegal
[10:29] <dennister> yes, its legal for ur own personal use
[10:29] <zorglu_> all that depends on how the content is licenced
[10:29] <zorglu_> and the law of where you live
[10:29] <zorglu_> but hardly on kubuntu support :)
[10:30] <bLaZeD> Hawkwind, i mean i miss a show..so i go dl it and watch it....keep it for a week(dont upload a single part of it) then delete it...would that break the law......and if it does that sucks ;D
[10:30] <gksudo> Hello, does anyone know a good KDE alternative to Ekiga (formerly "GnomeMeeting")?
[10:30] <dennister> Hawkwind: thank u! :) I'll try that next time
[10:30] <dennister> who wants to google constantly anyway?
[10:30] <DaSkreech> Wengophone?
[10:30] <Hawkwind> bLaZeD: That's illegal.  It's being shared
[10:31] <bLaZeD> Hawkwind, k gota ya
[10:31] <JohnFlux> !wma
[10:31] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:31] <zorglu_> Hawkwind: only if the licensed prevent this form of sharing...
[10:32] <Hawkwind> zorglu_: Wrong.  It's illegal period.  You can *not* tivo a tv show, upload it to somewhere and have others download it.  It's against the law, period
[10:32] <fdoving> depends where you live.
[10:32] <fdoving> has nothing to do with kubuntu support anyway.
[10:33] <DaSkreech> can someone try out this stream?
[10:33] <DaSkreech> http://audio-ogg.ibiblio.org:8000/wcpe.ogg
[10:33] <Hawkwind> True, I'm taking for granted we are talking about the USA since bLaZeD and I both live in the USA
[10:33] <zorglu_> Hawkwind: well not if the license allows it...
[10:33] <Dinofly> DaSkreech: works for me
[10:33] <zorglu_> but ok on this offtopic, here
[10:33] <DaSkreech> Dag nab it
[10:34] <fdoving> while we're at the offtopic stuff, google buys youtube :)
[10:34] <zorglu_> DaSkreech: i got it, 'classical station'
[10:34] <DaSkreech> Why can't I get it to work :-(
[10:34] <zorglu_> hey i guess youtube was not that bad :)
[10:34] <zorglu_> now only google video remains :) no competitor :)
[10:34] <Arlington> DaSkreech: the problem remains. the bloody server can't write to the file although i changed the file owner
[10:34] <ubuntu_> i changed my destop resolution and cannot restart ..how do i recover my first setting and avoid reinstallation of kubuntu
[10:35] <ubuntu_> can someone help
[10:35] <zorglu_> DaSkreech: dunno
[10:35] <VanessaE> question....  Is it a known issue that in edgy, Ctrl+Alt+Plus/Minus doesn't work?  (Guessing X itself is at fault?)
[10:35] <DaSkreech> MIght be a proxy problem
[10:35] <LjL> VanessaE: i don't know if it's known, but i do know i have it. anyway...
[10:35] <LjL> !edgy
[10:35] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[10:35] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Eh?
[10:35] <dennister> bback soon
[10:35] <gksudo> Heh. I thought that Yahoo would be more likely to but YouTube.
[10:35] <DaSkreech> What's the problem?
[10:35] <ubuntu_> i changed my destop resolution and cannot restart ..how do i recover my first setting and avoid reinstallation of kubuntu
[10:36] <Hawkwind> zorglu_: In the US it's 100% legal at all times to share TV, music, movies.  There are no such things as licenses that make it legal here unfortunately
[10:36] <VanessaE> LjL: ok then, so I know I'm not insane :)
[10:36] <fdoving> VanessaE: you can enable it. alt+f2 'kdesu kate' search for DontZap and set it to 'false' if you want it back.
[10:36] <Arlington> ubuntu_:  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:36] <fdoving> VanessaE: make that 'kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[10:37] <VanessaE> Oh, I already double-checked his xorg.conf, that setting is already present ('false')
[10:37] <Arlington> ubuntu_: sudo that command
[10:37] <VanessaE> in the ServerFlags section
[10:37] <LjL> fdoving: uhm, that doesn't appear in my xorg.conf, but still i can't ctrl+alt++/-
[10:37] <VanessaE> in dapper, I don't need that setting (btw, it's DontZoom) to get those keys working.
[10:38] <wildchild> during installation of nvida package something went wrong and the last line was: try to use apt-get update or --fix-missing. How do I use command --fix-missing ?
[10:38] <VanessaE> wild: usually " apt-get -f install " is enough.
[10:38] <LjL> well, i don't have dontzoom either :)
[10:38] <wildchild> tnx
[10:38] <gksudo> teeheehee, found a native deb package for Skype. :)
[10:38] <Dinofly> wildchild: sudo apt-get install --fix-missing
[10:38] <fdoving> LjL: wait.. zap is ctrl+alt+backspace, zoom is ctrl+alt+plusminus.
[10:39] <VanessaE> (well with sudo, duh :) )
[10:39] <fdoving> LjL: check for DontZoom then?
[10:39] <LjL> fdoving: well, i've got neither option in my xorg.conf
[10:39] <wezlo> hey all, I just bought/paritioned an external hd - it mounts fine but my normal user account can't write to it
[10:39] <wezlo> any way to fix this permenantly?
[10:39] <LjL> fdoving: perhaps they're just set to "true" by default if they aren't present in xorg.conf?
[10:39] <VanessaE> wezlo: tried changing the permissions on the mount point itself?
[10:39] <catunda> I couldn't be able to mount my usb pen drive automaticaly when I plug it in, does anyone have some tips about this problem?
[10:40] <ubuntu_> i changed my destop resolution and cannot restart ..how do i recover my first setting and avoid reinstallation of kubuntu
[10:40] <wezlo> VanessaE, it's auto-mounting to /media so it's not there all the time I think...
[10:40] <fdoving> LjL: shouldn't be. man xorg.conf says it defaults to off.
[10:40] <bLaZeD> catunda, plug it in and type dmesg and see what it says
[10:40] <fdoving> LjL: could be ubuntu specific patches though..
[10:40] <bLaZeD> wezlo, u can adda entry to your /etc/fstab
[10:41] <wezlo> the fat23 parition allows me to write to it, but my xfs partition not so much so...
[10:41] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: What do you mean you cannot restart?
[10:41] <LjL> fdoving: yeah, could be. i wouldn't mind, if it weren't that Konquest is almost unplayable at high resolutions, since it doesn't scale at all... :)
[10:41] <ubuntu_> i cannot get in gui mode
[10:41] <catunda> bLaZeD: The last line is [17182132.584000]  usb-storage: device scan complete
[10:41] <ubuntu_> pls help
[10:41] <wezlo> bLaZeD - yah, I'm actually trying to avoid that....
[10:41] <LjL> together with the fact that gtetrinet appears to be broken, that leaves me stranded :P
[10:41] <wildchild> how do I check wich kernel I use
[10:41] <catunda> VanessaE: the permisson of /media?
[10:41] <ubuntu_> i have rebooted with live cd
[10:41] <VanessaE> ubuntu_: are you able to at least get a text console?  Try holding down Ctrl-C while X is trying to start (you'll see it flash the screen several times)
[10:41] <wezlo> wildchild, go to the command line and type uname -a
[10:42] <ubuntu_> yes i see that
[10:42] <fdoving> LjL: docs should be updated by the same patches, if it's patched.. would make things easier for people. if man xorg.conf says it defaults to off, it should default to off.
[10:42] <VanessaE> catunda, well not /media but rather, the mountpoint under that where his drive gets placed I'm guessing, but he didn't mention it was being automounted....
[10:42] <bLaZeD> wezlo, i not sure u can avoid that if u want it permatly
[10:42] <wezlo> yah
[10:42] <LjL> fdoving: in an ideal world, yeah
[10:42] <fdoving> LjL: in an ubuntu world :)
[10:42] <bLaZeD> catunda, paste all of the dmesg to pastebin
[10:43] <fdoving> -n
[10:43] <wezlo> was wondering if anyone knew the rule that allows fat32 to be writeable automatically could by...
[10:43] <wezlo> be applied to xfs
[10:43] <fdoving> leaving it out is beeing mean to others. != humanity to others, like ubuntu should be.
[10:43] <mini_gamer1896> question, adept is now not wanting to load completely due to some residual segment that was not wanting to shut down, have checked the process list, and didn't see anything under apt*
[10:43] <fdoving> !adept crash fix
[10:43] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[10:43] <mini_gamer1896> it started just after i tried to update the system
[10:44] <fdoving> mini_gamer1896: ^^
[10:44] <mini_gamer1896> thanks
[10:44] <LjL> fdoving: well, they didn't necessarily leave it out *on purpose*. anyway, i'll add the option and set it to true, and see what happens next time i restart x... (which isn't now, however)
[10:44] <VanessaE> LjL: don't bother - it doesn't work, I tried :)
[10:44] <LjL> ok :)
[10:45] <fdoving> VanessaE: did you try DontZoom too?
[10:45] <VanessaE> tI did find one reference to Ctrl+Alt+Plus being broken, but that depended on some X compile-time option
[10:45] <fdoving> VanessaE: i was wrong first, when i told you it was DontZap.
[10:45] <VanessaE> fdoving, yep.
[10:45] <VanessaE> I used Dontzoom
[10:45] <VanessaE> er, DontZoom
[10:47] <LjL> VanessaE: workaround (maybe, depends what you need) - apt-get install resapplet
[10:47] <VanessaE> LjL: good idea.  xvidtune works too
[10:48] <mini_gamer1896> fdoving, thanks, it allowed my to get past the point where i kept getting frozen at
[10:48] <LjL> VanessaE: still not really the same thing as the ctrl+alt, since you don't get a virtual desktop of the higher resolution
[10:48] <VanessaE> right
[10:51] <catunda> I could mount manually with this command sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /mnt, but automatically it doesn't happen.
[10:51] <dennister> heading out for a nap to rest this aching back pps...later
[10:51] <VanessaE> ah here it is
[10:52] <VanessaE> this affected Xorg 6.7 also - if you use the -fstack-protector flag at compile time, it breaks Ctrl+Alt+Plus/Minus
[10:52] <VanessaE> wonder if that's what's going on in edgy?
[10:53] <yeti> argh... the gamin problem isn't solved yet? still randomly consumes 15%+ CPU... had this problem when i tried ubuntu 2 months ago, and nothing has happened??! any useful advice on that one?
[10:54] <wezlo> hacked a way through!
[10:54] <LjL> VanessaE: well... i'm not recompiling X to find out :)
[10:54] <VanessaE> haha
[10:54] <wezlo> changed the group and group permissions to video and that let's me work with the drive
[10:54] <catunda> Does anyone knows what kernel module have the responsability to manager automaticaly mount of USB pen drive?
[10:54] <LjL> VanessaE: though... yes, i suppose it is
[10:54] <VanessaE> I haven't messed with compiling X since I switched from Gentoo
[10:54] <wezlo> I unmounted, unplugged, and remounted and the system remembered!
[10:54] <wezlo> nifty!
[10:54] <LjL> VanessaE: since i read an implemented edgy spec that proposed compiling with -fstack-protector
[10:55] <VanessaE> ah hah
[10:55] <fdoving> yeti: yes, open /etc/gamin/gaminrc, and add 'none /var/log/*' \n 'fsset ext2 notify' \n 'fsset ext3 notify'
[10:55] <fdoving> yeti: where \n is new line.
[10:55] <wezlo> catunda, mount the drive - open up /media and then right-click - permissions - mounting - "automatically mount drive"
[10:55] <fdoving> yeti: that will work if you use ext2 and ext3, add more lines if you have more filesystems.
[10:56] <VanessaE> wonder how one would go about having that change reverted?
[10:56] <fdoving> compile your own X, i guess.
[10:56] <fdoving> alteast for edgy.
[10:57] <VanessaE> ew.
[10:57] <VanessaE> :)
[10:57] <VanessaE> I'll wait for an official fix, it's my husband's box anyway (mine is happy with dapper)
[10:58] <LjL> VanessaE: well, i'm not sure if it makes much sense to file bugs for edgy right now... most of the packages i've seen have no edgy bugs filed. including xorg
[10:59] <VanessaE> truew
[10:59] <VanessaE> since it's still pre-release, it wouldn't make a lot of sense.
[11:00] <arepie> hello, im using edgy, and im getting this error..
[11:00] <arepie> arepie@Arepie:~$ apt-get update
[11:00] <arepie> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[11:00] <arepie> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[11:00] <VanessaE> sudo apt-get update
[11:00] <VanessaE> (you have to elevate to root for apt-get to work)
[11:01] <arepie> when i try open adept, it ways some other program running..
[11:01] <VanessaE> ?
[11:01] <VanessaE> have you checked the output of  ps ax  to see if anything similar is running? (adept, synaptic, aptitude, dpkg, apt-*)
[11:02] <arepie> yup// only adept-notifier
[11:02] <yeti> fdoving, thanks, i'll definitely try that :) does that work for ntfs and vfat as fs-types too?
[11:02] <fdoving> !adept crash fix > arepie
[11:02] <VanessaE> odd
[11:02] <fdoving> yeti: yes.
[11:02] <arepie> thanks fdoving
[11:03] <LjL> VanessaE: pointer to the page about -fstack-protector and X?
[11:03] <VanessaE> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg-bugzilla-noise/2004-July/001227.html
[11:04] <kay__> how do i use .bin files? its for java
[11:04] <kay__> how do i use .bin files? its for java runtime enviroment
[11:04] <VanessaE> generally you just run the program like any other and it will usually find java.
[11:05] <LjL> VanessaE: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/64926
[11:05] <VanessaE> ah!
[11:05] <kay__> thx
[11:05] <yeti> fdoving, thank you so much for that gamin tip :) i wonder why i couldn't find that on ubuntuforums
[11:05] <VanessaE> thanks for filing that, LjL :)
[11:06] <fdoving> yeti: you're welcome :)
[11:06] <LjL> VanessaE: no problem -- i want that to work, too. perhaps you could file a comment saying you confirm the behavior
[11:06] <VanessaE> about to right now
[11:06] <kay__> VanessaE: hm if i try to make a doubble clikc on it kate open it
[11:06] <LjL> i'm not sure i should have filed it as "source", though
[11:06] <LjL> i'm not too familiar with launchpad :\
[11:07] <kay__> sah i get it with sh thx!!!
[11:07] <VanessaE> eh, they'll work it out :)
[11:07] <vulcanium> how do I install the module-assistant package?
[11:07] <kay__> lol
[11:07] <kay__> apt-get install module...
[11:07] <LjL> vulcanium: "sudo apt-get install module-assistant". if that doesn't work, then you need to enable universe
[11:07] <kay__> apt-get install module-assistant
[11:08] <VanessaE> kay: try running the program from a terminal instead
[11:08] <VanessaE> type the full path to the program, or just ./programname.bin if you're already in the directory where the program is.
[11:09] <VanessaE> if it doesn't run, try chmod 755 programname.bin first.
[11:09] <vulcanium> looks like I need to enable the universe
[11:09] <kay__> VanessaE: thx for all but i didi it with sh ... and it work BUT
[11:09] <kay__> VanessaE: java wont work in the mozilla firefox
[11:10] <kay__> java
[11:11] <VanessaE> eh, I have to let someone else handle that one then - me and firefox don't get along :)
[11:11] <kay__> k
[11:11] <kay__> i look on the website thx for all
[11:11] <vulcanium> how is the universe rep enabled?
[11:12] <LjL> !universe
[11:12] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:12] <kay__> what is the since of life?
[11:12] <LjL> and what is the hence of death?
[11:14] <VanessaE> LjL: here's the comment I plan to add:
[11:14] <VanessaE> ...waits for pastebin to respond...
[11:14] <LjL> what, paste.ubuntu-nl.org? good luck :P
[11:14] <VanessaE> naw, using pastebin.com actually :)
[11:14] <vulcanium> excellent.. thanks again guys
[11:15] <vulcanium> if I get this audio working probperly I'll call it a day
[11:15] <vulcanium> I;'ve been working at this since like 9am
[11:15] <DaSkreech> Hi VanessaE
[11:15] <VanessaE> aw screw it.  here:    "This also affects the one edgy box I have.  Control-Alt-Plus/Minus are ignored in any window manager I use, whether I am running X as root or as a normal user.  It is, however, still possible to cycle through your configured video modes using xvidtune or similar.   Attached is the xorg.conf from the affected machine, which worked fine under dapper."
[11:15] <LjL> !sound
[11:15] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[11:15] <VanessaE> sorry for that, stupid pastebin :)
[11:16] <VanessaE> hi DaSkreech
[11:16] <vulcanium> LjL: I'm following that guide right now :)
[11:16] <LjL> VanessaE: sounds fine
[11:16] <DaSkreech> Haven't seen you here before
[11:16] <VanessaE> ok, good.  Just wanted to avoid sounding rude or so (I tend to do that)
[11:16] <VanessaE> DaSkreech, I've been here off and on, but not much :)
[11:16] <DaSkreech> Welcome :)
[11:17] <VanessaE> thanks :)
[11:17] <LjL> vulcanium: tried if "cat </dev/urandom >/dev/dsp" works? (with speakers set to a low volume..)
[11:17] <flavioribeiro> whats the command to show my hda free space?
[11:18] <arepie> hello, im using ATI radeon, and now my video driver is 'ati', i've read some forums, and they use 'fglrx', i've tried to change it earlier, when i press 'test' button, my screen appear to be gray and with a X mouse cursor..
[11:18] <LjL> flavioribeiro: df
[11:19] <arepie> how changed ati to fglrx?? if i'm not mistaken, there's a new driver for fglrx rite?
[11:19] <LjL> arepie, have you read
[11:19] <LjL> !ati
[11:19] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:19] <arepie> yes
[11:19] <arepie> i've failed when i use dapper
[11:20] <arepie> and now im on edgy
[11:22] <arepie> is there a way to check if the driver support 3D ?
[11:23] <purpleposeidon> Is there a way to restart X without killing everyone who's attached?
[11:24] <VanessaE> brb
[11:25] <phasegen> anyone good with wireless networking?
[11:26] <LjL> !anyone
[11:26] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[11:26] <vulcanium> hmmm
[11:27] <draik> Does anyone know what's up with LjL? Sorry, lol
[11:27] <LjL> ...
[11:27] <DaSkreech> Uptime: 10 days, 16 hours and 4 minutes
[11:27] <DaSkreech> :-)
[11:27] <yeti> Does anyone have a cup of coffee for me ;) ?
[11:28] <draik> DaSkreech, my laptop can top that!
[11:28] <LjL>  23:28:05 up 28 days,  8:36,  1 user,  load average: 0.04, 0.08, 0.08
[11:28] <fdoving> just come over, and i'll make one :)
[11:28] <theosib> Can anyone help me to get the mic working?
[11:30] <phasegen> My laptop locks up whenever I try to activate a configuration using KWiFiManager.  I have three different networks, with different configs,  I need to connect to at various times
[11:30] <purpleposeidon> 14:28:34 up 9.4 centuries,  8:36,  1 user,  load average: 0.04, 0.08, 0.08
[11:30] <wildchild> !kubuntu
[11:30] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment. For more info see http://kubuntu.org for support: #kubuntu ; to install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:31] <phasegen> At this point I'm questioning the wisdom of switching to kubuntu on my laptop.
[11:31] <yeti> purpleposeidon, load average 0.04 since 9 centuries? you could have invented quantum physics and the car in 1100 but all you did was let it idle somewhere in the corner ;) ?
[11:32] <felixjet> hi
[11:32] <felixjet> Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library
[11:32] <felixjet> whats this? how can i fix it?
[11:33] <purpleposeidon> Yeah, but it got bored after determining the meaning of life and the universe.
[11:33] <DaSkreech> Oh I'm having an issue with filezilla and openssh
[11:33] <yeti> purpleposeidon, oh. that was you then. couldn't you at least let it be prime? 42 sucks
[11:34] <Sanne> felixjet: I'm getting this too. I wouldn't worry too much about it, since it's only a warning.
[11:34] <felixjet> but the installer dont continue >.<
[11:35] <purpleposeidon> Patheticlaly enough, I haven't even read that book. :b
[11:35] <felixjet> Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library
[11:35] <felixjet> Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from (NULL) pointer to `GtkEntry'
[11:35] <felixjet> Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkentry.c: line 534 (gtk_entry_get_text): assertion `entry != NULL' failed.
[11:35] <felixjet> :S
[11:35] <DaSkreech> After like a day filezilla can't see the linux machine
[11:35] <n8k99> felixjet:what are you installing
[11:35] <felixjet> Savage
[11:35] <felixjet> an update of the game
[11:36] <n8k99> oh - ok
[11:36] <n8k99> seems like there are some dependencies that are missing
[11:36] <felixjet> thats what i trought
[11:36] <n8k99> felixjet: are you using adept or apt-get?
[11:37] <felixjet> apt-get
[11:37] <felixjet> but not for this
[11:37] <felixjet> i have the .run file
[11:38] <n8k99> felixjet: i see, you downloaded the source files and are compiling it/
[11:38] <n8k99> ?
[11:40] <oslo> hi
[11:40] <oslo> how could i switch all programs language from english to french on my kubuntu please ??
[11:41] <mini_gamer1896> !fr
[11:41] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:42] <oslo> how could i switch all programs language from one to another on my kubuntu please ??   ^^
[11:42] <yeti> oslo, install language-pack-fr (not exactly sure about the name) and then switch the locales, for further information, you should probably refer to #kubuntu-fr as mini_gamer1896 suggests
[11:48] <oslo> yeti> how switch the local
[11:48] <oslo> ?
[11:48] <arepie> !ati
[11:48] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:48] <wildchild> !berry
[11:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about berry - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:49] <yeti> oslo, menu -> system settings -> languages and accessibility, i guess
[11:49] <CVirus> !bcm
[11:49] <wildchild> omg my lag is 40s
[11:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bcm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:49] <wildchild> can't see shit
[11:49] <CVirus> !broadcom
[11:49] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:50] <CVirus> anybody succeeded in getting the Wireless Broadcom 4311 to work ?
[11:52] <intelikey> let me ask this again.  now that i'm not busy.   why am i getting this error ?  (EE) No devices detected.
[11:52] <intelikey> Fatal server error:
[11:52] <intelikey> no screens found
[11:53] <intelikey> just installed nvidia-glx  and enabled it plus edited xorg.conf to read  s/nv/nvidia/    but now no X   ???
[11:53] <VanessaE> can you post your xorg.conf someplace where we can see it?
[11:53] <dme> aaaaaaaagh!  i accidentally (don't ask how) pressed CTRL-ALT-F1 and now i'm at the login prompt.  How do i get back to the GUI?  (and, is there any way to quit/close the login prompt?)
[11:54] <VanessaE> (a pastebin somewhere)
[11:54] <VanessaE> dme: Alt-F7
[11:54] <dme> ty
[11:54] <nik> CTRL+ALT+F7
[11:54] <VanessaE> you could disable that login prompt but it's not a good idea
[11:54] <dme> anyway to close that login prompt ?
[11:54] <intelikey> vanessae yes but i could just post the line you want to see in here.
[11:54] <intelikey>         Driver          "nvidia"
[11:55] <dme> don't want to - just pressed it when i thought i was still on my Windows box
[11:55] <VanessaE> need to see the whole thing, intel
[11:55] <LjL> dme: well then just press ctrl+alt+f7 to be back to the GUI
[11:55] <intelikey> !paste
[11:55] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:55] <Sanne> dme: you don't need to close it. It's just one of your virtual terminals that are available on your system. Just switch back to the gui.
[11:56] <dme> Sanne: true, but if it's possible i would like to know how; thanks
[11:56] <VanessaE> dme: you could take out all the 'getty' lines from /etc/inittab
[11:56] <VanessaE> but you never know when you'll need a text console login...so best to keep at least one.
[11:56] <LjL> dme: ... and what are you going to do the day that X fails to start for some reason?
[11:57] <nik> Hey,I am running xgl+beryl on kubuntu, (ATI X1300) , but on shutdown my machine locks up..any ideas??
[11:57] <crusty> ok! let see if this work
[11:57] <dme> so, its like they are always there, just waiting for input; there is no real "closing" of them - just disabling them
[11:57] <arepie> i've try to follow te instruction on how to install ATI driver, but i have no direct randering.. please anyone help me with this.. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26105/
[11:57] <LjL> dme: yeah, that's what we've been telling you
[11:57] <intelikey> VanessaE http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26106/plain/
[11:57] <dme> ty
[11:57] <Sanne> dme: actually those terminals are very useful. You can switch to one of them when for example the gui hangs, but you still have keyboard input. You can then log in and kill any locked up program.
[11:58] <crusty> ok! enibody can read this?just to try...
[11:58] <LjL> yes we can
[11:58] <VanessaE> hm, this looks ok intel... how about the output from /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:58] <crusty> ok thanks
[11:58] <insanekane> hmm, googl bought youtube
[11:58] <VanessaE> what!?
[11:58] <crusty> just new to linux
[11:59] <nik> Hey,I am running xgl+beryl on kubuntu, (ATI X1300) , but on shutdown my machine locks up..any ideas??
[11:59] <LjL> !xgl
[11:59] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:59] <VanessaE> well I'll be damned. (re: youtube)
[12:00] <insanekane> VanessaE: ;)
[12:00] <nik> ubotu: will do that..thanks
[12:00] <intelikey> VanessaE the only pertanant thing in xorg.0.log is ... (EE) No devices detected.
[12:00] <intelikey> Fatal server error:
[12:00] <intelikey> no screens found
[12:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about will do that..thanks - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:00] <LjL> nick, ubotu is a bot
[12:00] <crusty> how do i change the color of my text?
[12:00] <VanessaE> intel: ok, when you installed the nvidia driver, how did you go about it?
[12:00] <intelikey> same thing i get in the console
[12:00] <intelikey> apt-get
[12:00] <VanessaE> (personally, I use the official package from nvidia)
[12:00] <LjL> crusty: of what text?
[12:01] <VanessaE> ok, do you have the most recent linux-restricted-modules package installed also?
[12:01] <Sanne> intelikey: did you install the nvidia driver from the repository, or di you download from the nvidia site?
[12:01] <Sanne> nvm
[12:01] <crusty> of what i'm sending to you all
[12:01] <crusty> i would like to turn it in an other color
[12:01] <VanessaE> crusty: it depends on the IRC program you're using.
[12:01] <intelikey> VanessaE it downgraded my kernel from *15-26  to *15-23
[12:01] <nik> that one is about nvidia!!
[12:02] <LjL> crusty: there's an option in konversation, let me find it
[12:02] <intelikey> and yes i rebooted to the 23 kernel to try this
[12:02] <arepie> could anyone look at this problem --> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26107/
[12:02] <LjL> crusty: Settings / Configure Konversation / Notifications / Highlights / Always highlight own lines
[12:02] <VanessaE> hrm
[12:02] <VanessaE> lsmod shows 'nvidia' to be loaded?
[12:03] <nik> arepie: hey i am having a similar problem
[12:03] <crusty> thanks i'll have a look...
[12:03] <intelikey> VanessaE ah ha  no the module is not loaded.
[12:03] <VanessaE> ah
[12:03] <VanessaE> try modprobe'ing it
[12:04] <VanessaE> if that works, stick 'nvidia' in your /etc/modules
[12:04] <intelikey> tty24 [root@~]  modprobe nvidia
[12:04] <intelikey> FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.15-23-386/volatile/nvidia.ko': No such file or directory
[12:04] <VanessaE> depmod -a
[12:04] <VanessaE> see if that makes a diff
[12:04] <crusty> ok! if this work, it should be all red now
[12:05] <crusty> yessss!
[12:05] <intelikey> made a diff but still errors out.    FATAL: Module nvidia not found.
[12:05] <intelikey> FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia
[12:05] <VanessaE> still looks grey to me, crusty :)
[12:05] <crusty> many tHANKS LIL
[12:05] <VanessaE> odd
[12:05] <crusty> HOOOOOO! NOT TO ME
[12:06] <VanessaE> intel: if you browse around in /lib/modules...  do you find it anywhere at all?
[12:06] <crusty> ok i got to go now
[12:06] <VanessaE> (well, in your kernel's module path)
[12:06] <crusty> nice to chat with you...many thanks
[12:07] <intelikey> VanessaE /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-386/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia/nvidiafb.ko
[12:07] <VanessaE> nope, that ain't it
[12:07] <Sanne> intelikey: try: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[12:07] <LjL> crusty: you're welcome! bye
[12:07] <VanessaE> try sanne's suggestion (was to be my next one also, sorta)
[12:08] <Sanne> VanessaE: sorry for jumping in...
[12:08] <intelikey> VanessaE /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-386/kernel/drivers/char/agp/nvidia-agp.ko
[12:08] <VanessaE> not a problem, the extra help is appreciated (helps me learn, too)
[12:08] <Sanne> :)
[12:08] <LjL> VanessaE: did yours involve backticks? :)
[12:08] <VanessaE> LjL: which?
[12:09] <VanessaE> oh
[12:09] <intelikey> well i'll ignore the sudo apt-get install linux-restricted* sujestion  cause i watched it install that when i did the apt-get nvidia
[12:09] <VanessaE> haha
[12:09] <LjL> VanessaE: the suggestion that would have been your next one
[12:09] <CVirus> anybody succeeded in getting the Wireless Broadcom 4311 to work ?
[12:09] <claudio_> hi all
[12:09] <claudio_> amarok doesn't work
[12:09] <Sanne> intelikey: if you have it installed, it would do no harm, but we could be sure it really is installed.
[12:09] <claudio_> it starts
[12:09] <VanessaE> no, point of fact I was gonna suggest something like "apt-cache search linux-restricted-modules" and have him pick the right one :)
[12:10] <claudio_> but song doesn't go
[12:10] <intelikey> Sanne yeah  'YOU' could be sure.  i already was.      linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-386 is already the newest version.
[12:10] <LjL> VanessaE: ah, ok. it's just that everyone (me included...) always uses the backticks version, except that backticks are deprecated and $() is actually supposed to be the right syntax to use ;)
[12:10] <axel> !fluxbox
[12:10] <ubotu> fluxbox is a lightweight and responsive window manager for GNU/Linux. For how to set it up and more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox
[12:11] <VanessaE> heh
[12:11] <zam> claudio_: im having the sam problim for the third day
[12:11] <zam> claudio_: but i know what i have to do
[12:11] <Sanne> intelikey: Well, *I* also want to be sure when helping, so thanks :)