[12:09] <Seveas> mjg59, you rock!
[12:09] <Seveas> (but of course you already knew that)
[12:11] <_ion> mjg59: Have you had time to review my usplash patch? (There's no hurry, i'm just interested.)
[12:11] <mjg59> _ion: It's committed
[12:12] <_ion> Ok, thanks.
[01:03] <TheMuso> c
[03:10] <sid> Is there an ubuntu-legal mailing list like there is a debian-legal mailing list/
[03:10] <mjg59> No
[03:12] <sid> mjg59: Is there a website specific to ubuntu about legal stuff? Like copyright law[dmca(the european version too)]  / software idea patents / trademark law(firefox)?
[03:13] <sid> Does Ubuntu use SPI like debian does? Or do you guys have your own laywer?
[03:16] <mjg59> sid: No idea, I'm afraid. I'd assume that Canonical have someone on the legal side of things.
[03:18] <tseng> we follow the DFSG, mostly
[03:18] <tseng> a few exceptions
[03:19] <tseng> firefox might end up being one of them
[03:22] <sid> Is there a marillat _like_ mirror for Ubuntu?(I know marillat doesn't do Ubuntu); Like a european only version of Ubuntu.(a version where software idea patents don't apply).
[03:22] <sid> ie, not a mangled mplayer with stuff ripped out because of american patent law
[03:23] <tseng> there are a few things in plf
[03:23] <tseng> not that interesting to us, YMMV etc
[03:24] <sid> hmm, I can't seem to connect; the google cache will have to do.
[03:25] <sid> thanks a lot for the information tseng and mjg59; I appreciate it.
[03:25] <sid> "The PLF Ubuntu project is shutting down, due to lack of time of its maintainers. New volonteers are welcome."
[03:26] <sid> Guess that's why I couldn't connect.
[05:52] <fabbione> morning guys
[05:53] <Hobbsee> hey fabbione 
[05:53] <fabbione> yo
[05:54] <ajmitch> hey fabbione 
[05:54] <fabbione> hey aj
[05:54] <zul_> hey fabbione 
[05:55] <fabbione> ajmitch: i should be able to start the buildd tomorrow. my wife will go away a couple of days and i can move out of the office to work (noise mainly) and she won't complain about an airplane or two turned on in the house
[05:55] <fabbione> hi zul
[05:55] <ajmitch> fabbione: great, I've got procmail setup for it
[05:56] <fabbione> ok
[06:37] <zul_> night
[06:38] <fabbione> night zul
[07:27] <fabbione> ajmitch: who can i contact in the MOTU team to do some batch job?
[07:28] <fabbione> ajmitch: there are a bunch of xfonts that need a rebuild
[07:28] <ajmitch> I can do that if you want
[07:28] <fabbione> ajmitch: ok.. see bug #52803
[07:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52803 in gsfonts-x11 "insufficient dependency on xfonts-utils" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52803
[07:28] <fabbione> read it all to the bottom
[07:29] <fabbione> i already uploaded a new debhelper that sets the proper version Depends: on xfonts-utils
[07:29] <fabbione> it will take about 2/3 hours to propagate in the archive
[07:29] <ajmitch> ok
[07:29] <fabbione> what i would like you to do is to prepare all the fonts in universe for upload
[07:30] <fabbione> IF the package does not have an ubuntuX extension, make it buildX
[07:30] <fabbione> so that it can be resynced automatically for edgy+1
[07:30] <ajmitch> yes, I've got tools to do all that if I hand it a list of packages
[07:30] <fabbione> without MOTU having to redo the merge manually
[07:31] <fabbione> ok.. also.. make sure that the package actually needs the rebuild and that it uses dh_installxfonts in debian/rules + misc:Depends in debian/control
[07:31] <fabbione> i am taking care of main 
[07:31] <ajmitch> ok, I'll start downloading them
[07:32] <fabbione> ok
[07:32] <fabbione> there is no need to add a versioned B-D on debhelper.. just wait that it hits the archive before uploading
[07:32] <fabbione> less delta > *
[07:33] <fabbione> ajmitch: you want a changelog similar to:
[07:33] <fabbione> culmus (0.101-6build1) edgy; urgency=low
[07:33] <fabbione> 
[07:33] <fabbione>   * Rebuild with new debhelper to set versioned Depends: on xfonts-utils.
[07:33] <fabbione>     This change can/should be dropped automatically in edgy+1 syncs.
[07:33] <fabbione>   (Closes Ubuntu #52803)
[07:33] <ajmitch> there don't seem to be too many xfonts-* source packages in universe
[07:33] <ajmitch> thanks
[07:33] <fabbione> ajmitch: no, there aren't many
[07:34] <fabbione> but they still need that version Depends:
[07:34] <fabbione> otherwise it can breaks upgrade from dapper to edgy
[07:39] <fabbione> ajmitch: there are some packages that add a Depends: xfonts-utils manually without calling dh_installxfonts. You want to add the versioned Depends manually
[07:40] <ajmitch> 30 packages to check over, won't take long :)
[07:40] <fabbione> xfonts-100dpi (1:1.0.0-2ubuntu1) edgy; urgency=low
[07:40] <fabbione>   * Set versioned Depends on xfonts-utils.
[07:40] <fabbione>   (Closes Ubuntu #52803)
[07:40] <fabbione> yeah
[07:41] <fabbione> this is the changelog i am using for the manual ones
[07:41] <fabbione> note that it's a manual delta -> ubuntu1
[07:41] <ajmitch> ok, noted
[07:41] <fabbione> perfect
[07:41] <fabbione> are you also checking multiverse?
[07:41] <fabbione> i noticed 1/2 fonts there too
[07:41] <ajmitch> I'll check that too
[07:41] <fabbione> ok perfect
[07:42] <ajmitch> I've got a list of all the source packages that build an xfonts-* binary
[07:42] <ajmitch> I'll check it against those that depend on xfonts-utils
[07:44] <fabbione> ajmitch: it's easier if you check apt-cache rdepends xfonts-utils
[07:44] <fabbione> not all of them are called xfonts-
[07:44] <fabbione> you will pull in a bit more junk, but you will catch them all
[08:24] <pitti> Good morning!
[08:25] <fabbione> hey pitti
[08:25] <highvoltage> morning pitti and fabbione 
[08:31] <tfheen> morning, pitti
[08:31] <Hobbsee> hey pitti 
[08:31] <Hobbsee> hi tfheen 
[08:33] <pitti> hey Hobbsee 
[08:33] <pitti> moin tfheen 
[08:33] <pitti> hi highvoltage 
[08:35] <tfheen> 'morning, Hobbsee 
[08:35] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:54] <dholbach> good morning
[08:54] <ajmitch> morning daniel
[08:54] <fabbione> hey dh
[08:55] <dholbach> hey fmdn
[09:37] <pitti> hi giftnudel 
[09:37] <giftnudel> hi pitti
[09:48] <fabbione> ajmitch: new debhelper is published.. we are good to go with the uploads
[09:48] <ajmitch> great, I'll get onto it now
[09:52] <fabbione> there.. main is done
[09:59] <tfheen> mvo: could I have a GnomeAppInstallDesktopDatabaseUpdate today, please?
[10:02] <mvo> tfheen: sure. the last is from 5. oct
[10:03] <tfheen> mvo: sure, but I'd like to have one from now, since we're getting close to the freeze.
[10:04] <ajmitch> tfheen: freeze is thursday?
[10:07] <tfheen> ajmitch: correct.
[10:08] <ajmitch> thanks for fixing the casper issues with mono
[10:08] <tfheen> np
[10:16] <Keybuk> seb128: ping?
[10:17] <seb128> Keybuk: pong
[10:17] <Keybuk> seb128: evolution is still doing the "folder-display|..." thing
[10:17] <seb128> Keybuk: yeah, we have a language-pack update once by century or something like that :p
[10:18] <Keybuk> ahh, it's waiting on those?
[10:18] <seb128> it's a translation issue and fixed to launchpad for weeks so probably
[10:18] <pitti> we had the last one for beta, I plan another one for RC
[10:18] <pitti> seb128: ^ if that's fine with you?
[10:18] <seb128> yep
[10:18] <ogra> dholbach, ping
[10:19] <seb128> though I would prefer weekly translations updates next cycle
[10:19] <dholbach> ogra: pong
[10:19] <pitti> Keybuk: speaking of broken langpacks, can you please nudge the dapper ones into proposed?
[10:19] <pitti> seb128: I have no problem with weekly
[10:19] <ogra> dholbach, human-cursors-theme doesnt contain the thzeme file, is that intentional ?
[10:19] <Keybuk> pitti: if I can get around to it today, I will
[10:19] <dholbach> Keybuk: if you find the time can you get the libgalago3 binary out of new, please?
[10:19] <seb128> 2-3 updates in 6 months is no fun
[10:19] <dholbach> ogra: it's in human-theme, yes
[10:19] <Keybuk> dholbach: again, only if I can get around to it today
[10:19] <pitti> Keybuk: *hug*, thanks
[10:19] <ogra> dholbach, why ? 
[10:19] <Keybuk> see #canonical
[10:20] <pitti> seb128: yeah, but the initial delay was due to Rosetta export; I hope we won't have that again for edgy+1
[10:20] <seb128> pitti: right
[10:20] <ogra> dholbach, that forces me to install human-theme in the thin client chroot .. couldnt it move to the cursors package ?
[10:20] <ogra> since i only need the cursors for ldm
[10:20] <dholbach> Keybuk: Ok - thanks.
[10:22] <dholbach> ogra: i need to think about it - when I did it, it was for a reason
[10:26] <Keybuk> doko_: ping
[10:26] <Keybuk> or maybe seb128 
[10:27] <Keybuk> python-gnome2 conflicts and provides python2.4-gnome2
[10:27] <Keybuk> but doesn't replaces it
[10:27] <ogra> dholbach, ok
[10:28] <tfheen> fabbione: it seems like something blew up in the sparc world over the weekend; http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/edgy_probs.html ; can you investigate?
[10:28] <seb128> Keybuk: I'll fix that
[10:28] <fabbione> tfheen: looking
[10:29] <fabbione> COW!
[10:29] <fabbione> seb128: this is your fault
[10:29] <fabbione> seb128: something in desktopland didn't build
[10:30] <Keybuk> seb128: same with things like cairo, pyorbit, etc.
[10:30] <seb128> fabbione: libgnomeui apparently
[10:30] <seb128> Keybuk: python* then?
[10:31] <seb128> Keybuk: that's a dh_ something bug? should maintainers do that by hand or that should be done automatically with the new policy?
[10:31] <fabbione> seb128: did you batch upload without proper versioned B-D ?
[10:31] <seb128> fabbione: no
[10:31] <fabbione> hmmmm
[10:31] <seb128>   libbonoboui2-dev: Depends: libbonoboui2-0 (= 2.16.0-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[10:31] <seb128>   libgnome2-dev: Depends: libgnome2-0 (= 2.16.0-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[10:31] <seb128>   libgnomevfs2-dev: Depends: libgnomevfs2-0 (= 2.16.1-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[10:32] <fabbione> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:32] <fabbione>   libbonoboui2-dev: Depends: libbonoboui2-0 (= 2.16.0-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[10:32] <fabbione>   libgnome2-dev: Depends: libgnome2-0 (= 2.16.0-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[10:32] <fabbione>   libgnomevfs2-dev: Depends: libgnomevfs2-0 (= 2.16.1-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[10:32] <fabbione> E: Broken packages
[10:32] <seb128> hum
[10:32] <Keybuk> seb128: I've no idea
[10:32] <fabbione> that one :)
[10:32] <seb128> fabbione: that looks like a "arch all/any out of sync"
[10:32] <seb128> maybe a retry would be enough
[10:32] <fabbione> tfheen: can you give back libgnomeui on sparc please?
[10:33] <fabbione> seb128: yeah checking here locally too
[10:33] <seb128> fabbione: the 3 "not going to be installed" packages have built correctly
[10:34] <seb128> fabbione: retry should be fine
[10:34] <fabbione> seb128: yup
[10:34] <tfheen> fabbione: done
[10:34] <fabbione> tfheen: thanks
[10:35] <geser> could someone please giveback gnustep-gui?
[10:36] <tfheen> geser: done
[10:38] <geser> tfheen: thanks
[10:38] <seb128> Keybuk: python-cairo and python-pyorbit seem to have a proper Replaces in fact
[10:39] <tfheen> pitti: do you happen to know if anybody's working on a MIR for kexec-tools?
[10:39] <pitti> tfheen: not to my knowledge
[10:40] <tfheen> I'll have to get BenC to do that, then.
[10:46] <sivang> morning!
[10:50] <Keybuk> seb128: ok, I guess they depend on the python-gnome2 ?
[10:50] <seb128> Keybuk: no, they are lower in the stack
[10:50] <Keybuk> odd
[10:51] <seb128> why?
[10:51] <seb128> did you get some upgrade issues with them?
[10:53] <tfheen> Kamion: could you please enable your cronjobs on drescher?
[10:54] <tfheen> Kamion: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/edgy_probs.html is severly out of date.
[10:54] <Keybuk> seb128: yeah
[10:54] <Keybuk> I foolishly didn't write it down though
[10:54] <Keybuk> (upgrading my desktop today)
[10:58] <Kamion> morning
[10:58] <Kamion> tfheen: they aren't disabled ...
[10:58] <sivang> morning Kamion 
[10:58] <Kamion> I think it's stuck somewhere, checking local mail
[10:59] <Keybuk> Kamion: did you get much chance on Friday to do archive-bitch stuff?
[10:59] <Kamion> Keybuk: a little, but not a lot
[10:59] <Keybuk> Kamion: if you get a chance, could you do some today?
[11:00] <Kamion> ok
[11:00] <Kamion> tfheen: I've kicked it; not sure if it'll stay kicked though
[11:01] <tfheen> Kamion: hmkay and thanks a lot
[11:01] <Kamion> oh
[11:01] <Kamion> dapper upgrade
[11:01] <Kamion> ImportError: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5.so.3.9: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:02] <tfheen> that'd explain things
[11:03] <Kamion> ok, fixed properly now
[11:06] <sivang> mvo: thanks for the test in hubackup, it will serve as a nice starting point for testing the other modules :-)
[11:07] <mvo> sivang: cheers!
[11:10] <tfheen> Keybuk: is there an lrm upload stuck in NEW?
[11:10] <dholbach> Kamion: Hi - Keybuk wasn't sure if he would get around to it today, but it'd be very cool to get libgalago3 binary package out of new, so I could start rebuilding the redepends.
[11:13] <fabbione> Kamion: sorry to bother, but when you have time, could you please look at bug #63693? i just need a quick look from you
[11:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63693 in initramfs-tools "dapper -> edgy dist-upgrade prompts for questions" [High,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63693
[11:16] <mvo> does anyone know what package installs /etc/default/locale? 
[11:16] <fabbione> mvo: probably belocs-locale-bin
[11:17] <mvo> fabbione: I don't have it on my upgraded systems, only on new installs. and apparently it overwrite the settings in /etc/environment
[11:17] <fabbione> belocs-locales-bin.postinst:EE="/etc/default/locale"
[11:17] <mvo> fabbione: thanks
[11:20] <fabbione> mvo: we also need to look at that bug... i just need to finish one thing here
[11:20] <mvo> fabbione: at the apt bug for the upgrades?
[11:21] <fabbione> yeah
[11:28] <Kamion> mvo: it's created by localechooser
[11:28] <Kamion> yes, it's intended to be used in preference to /etc/environment if possible, AFAIK; it was a Debian change
[11:29] <Kamion> dholbach: done
[11:30] <dholbach> Kamion: you ROCK! :-)
[11:30] <mvo> Kamion: ok, thanks. I need to change language-selector to take this into account then
[11:30] <Kamion> fabbione: checking
[11:31] <fabbione> Kamion: thx
[11:33] <tfheen> Kamion: so, busybox's md5sum complains about mismatches if there's a blank line in the input.
[11:33] <tfheen> Kamion: should we fix that by fixing it to work correctly or fix cdrom-checker to DTRT or both?
[11:33] <Kamion> fabbione: oh, how was the install done? d-i or ubiquity?
[11:34] <Kamion> tfheen: why is there a blank line in its input?
[11:34] <fabbione> Kamion: d-i (netinstall bitch ;))
[11:34] <tfheen> Kamion: because cdrom-checker does fgets(line, sizeof(line), fd), and then gives that to a system call.
[11:34] <tfheen> (without stripping off the \n)
[11:35] <tfheen> actually, it gives it to an echo | md5sum -c call
[11:35] <tfheen> see main.c:131 and five or so more lines
[11:36] <Kamion> oh, I see
[11:36] <tfheen> stripping the newline is trivial, but busybox shouldn't complain when it's given one valid and one empty line, IMO
[11:36] <Kamion> probably do both fixes
[11:37] <Kamion> fabbione: replied
[11:37] <fabbione> Kamion: thanks
[11:38] <Kamion> fabbione: ... and updated with another possibility
[11:38] <fabbione> Kamion: reading
[11:39] <Keybuk> tfheen, dholbach: -> Kamion
[11:39] <fabbione> Kamion: the strange thing is that it happens on fresh-install.. i mean i can see RESUME=/dev/hda5 on dapper fresh install
[11:39] <dholbach> Keybuk: hm?
[11:39] <Keybuk> ask Kamion for archive stuff today
[11:40] <dholbach> Keybuk: I already did - thanks.
[11:40] <fabbione> Kamion: the only code that can change that is not nowhere in initramfs.. so i can only assume something in d-i was mangling it
[11:40] <dholbach> Keybuk: Have a nice day.
[11:40] <Keybuk> :-)
[11:40] <Kamion> fabbione: ok, it wasn't clear to me that you'd checked the conffile before attempting to upgrade
[11:40] <fabbione> Kamion: ok.. yes i did check
[11:40] <fabbione> see the diff on top
[11:40] <tfheen> Keybuk: 'k
[11:40] <Kamion> fabbione: yes, but that diff is generated after the new preinst runs
[11:40] <tfheen> Kamion: is there an lrm stuck in NEW?
[11:41] <tfheen> or, was there?
[11:41] <Kamion> tfheen: not AFAIK
[11:41] <fabbione> Kamion: right.. but i did check it.. yes
[11:41] <Kamion> I'll see if I can test it out here and isolate it
[11:42] <fabbione> if you want i can reinstall here and triple-verify
[11:42] <fabbione> ok
[11:43] <tfheen> Kamion: ah, lrm ftbfs-ed on ppc.
[11:43] <fabbione> i also noticed the rename in the config dir.. but that *seems* to work ok
[11:43] <fabbione> i need to go offline a few minutes... brb
[11:44] <Kamion> fabbione: I'm unconvinced by that preinst, given that it has:
[11:44] <Kamion> case "$1" in
[11:44] <Kamion>         configure)
[11:45] <Kamion> fabbione: and preinst never gets $1 = configure
[11:51] <Kamion> tfheen: I think that localechooser upload of mine may also fix that zh_CN/zh_TW issue that's on the ubuntu-6.10 list, but I'll need to test it
[11:52] <tfheen> Kamion: good, thanks.
[11:53] <Kamion> which leaves the manual partitioning summary bug and system-config-kickstart brokenness
[11:53] <tfheen> malone doesn't do graphs yet?  So there's no way for me to say "please give me a graph showing how many bugs match those criteria over the last ten days"?
[11:53] <lifeless> no
[11:53] <tfheen> is it planned?
[11:54] <lifeless> we do that with cricket at the moment, and AFAIK theres no solid plan for that finess in data mining
[11:54] <tfheen> or even just being able to get at those data would be immensely useful.
[11:54] <tfheen> "show me how the situation looked ten days ago", "show me how it looked nine days ago", etc.
[11:56] <lifeless> yah
[11:56] <lifeless> spec it up :)
[11:56] <lifeless> (sorry thats the best long term answer)
[11:56] <tfheen> I guess so, yes.
[11:56] <lifeless> short term, let stub know what you need, if the criteria are fairly static.
[11:57] <tfheen> what I'm really wanting to know is "are we on track for having no targetted bugs on Thursday"
[11:57] <tfheen> (and if not, how are we doing?)
[11:57] <holycow> kamion great nick
[11:58] <holycow> means truck in eastern eu languages, right?
[11:58] <fabbione> Kamion: fehh....
[12:03] <fabbione> seb128: the libgnomeui thingy did clear a bunch but not all of the sparc mess....
[12:03] <fabbione> seb128: any idea what else might be missing?
[12:03] <tfheen> fabbione: libvte-dev seems to be uninstallable?
[12:03] <fabbione> it's probably something that needs a kick after libgnomeui build
[12:04] <fabbione> tfheen: getting there...
[12:09] <pitti> hi tkamppeter 
[12:09] <tkamppeter> hi pitti
[12:11] <ProN00b> who made the share folder functionality of ubuntu ?
[12:12] <ProN00b> i suggest sharing over ftp as a feature
[12:12] <seb128> fabbione: things probably need to be kicked in the right order, libs first
[12:13] <mantiena-baltix> Hi all
[12:14] <fabbione> seb128: kicked as in they are FTBFS and needs to be give-back or kicked as in re-uploaded to re-build?
[12:14] <seb128> fabbione: buildd retry
[12:15] <seb128> fabbione: it looks like the issue was gnome-python
[12:15] <tkamppeter> pitti, thanks for updating CUPS, but probably we need another patch: bug 64725
[12:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64725 in cupsys "USB driver cannot find printers if usblp0 is disconnected" [Undecided,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64725
[12:16] <pitti> tkamppeter: yes, smurf already mailed me about it
[12:16] <seb128> fabbione: 0ubuntu5 I've uploaded this morning has built on sparc now, it's probably just a matter to retry build of gedit, gnome-applets, gnome-panel, etc when it's available now
[12:16] <pitti> tkamppeter: I'll review and test it today
[12:16] <fabbione> seb128: i see...
[12:16] <fabbione> tfheen: can we do a massive give-back?
[12:17] <tfheen> fabbione: I've done a bunch of those already, I'll get more during the rest of the day.
[12:17] <fabbione> tfheen: ok thanks
[12:17] <tfheen> I have to clicky-clicky through the interface. :-/
[12:17] <fabbione> tfheen: i know you love that...
[12:18] <fabbione> i am hungry.. a lot
[12:27] <fabbione> tfheen: libvte-dev looks installable now
[12:27] <fabbione> i need food
[12:29] <Treenaks> hm, libapache2-mod-fcgid leaks memory in apache2's heap.. about 100MB/week for me.. (switching to -mod-fastcgi removes the growing behavior)
[12:30] <tfheen> Treenaks: valgrind is your friend
[12:31] <Treenaks> tfheen: not on my Via C3 server
[12:35] <Keybuk> mjg59: is usplash supposed to just not start on nvidia?
[12:36] <dholbach> tkamppeter: Hello - my sister asked me of how good the chances are to get a Lexmark Z43 working in Ubuntu - do you know anything about that?
[12:37] <tfheen> Keybuk: it segfaults ATM, iirc
[12:38] <tfheen> Keybuk: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/56587
[12:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56587 in usplash "[edgy]  usplash segfaults" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[12:40] <Keybuk> ahh
[12:40] <Kamion> ProN00b: AFAIK, it's an upstream GNOME feature
[12:41] <ProN00b> i see
[12:43] <pitti> tfheen: thanks for fixing the cdrom-checker
[12:43] <tfheen> oh, no problem
[12:45] <ogra> infinity, any news about the arch specific package selection breakage ? my ppc-live is still 40Mb to big
[12:49] <ogra> grmbl, why the heck does update-manager remove xchat on every upgrade for me ...
[12:51] <doluu> which package contains net/errno.h file?
[12:57] <fabbione> Keybuk, mjg59: it doesn't segfault here... 
[12:57] <Keybuk> I have an odd grub feature to
[12:57] <Keybuk> it prints "kernel direct mapping tables ..." on the bottom line of the screen
[12:57] <geser> does somebody know when uptodate Contents files will be available again on archive.ubuntu.com?
[12:58] <fabbione> geser: they are generated daily
[12:58] <tfheen> fabbione: do you have an amd64 with nvidia?
[12:58] <geser> fabbione: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/ shows 07-Jun-2006 as date
[12:59] <fabbione> tfheen: yes it's amd64 + nvidia, but i am running x86... i can test with livecd tho
[12:59] <mantiena-baltix> Kamion, hi, could you tell me is /boot/initrd-* file, which is inside filesystem.cloop is needed in LiveCD ?
[12:59] <fabbione> geser: feh.. that's about right
[12:59] <tfheen> mantiena-baltix: it's not.
[01:00] <tfheen> mantiena-baltix: but why are you using cloop?
[01:00] <mantiena-baltix> tfheen, sorry, inside filesystem.squashfs
[01:01] <mantiena-baltix> so, if initrd file is not needed why it's inside filesystem.squashfs from official Ubuntu CD's ? ;)
[01:01] <tfheen> mantiena-baltix: anyway, it's not used by the live session.  It's used by grub after installation, though.
[01:01] <mantiena-baltix> tfheen, AFAIK initrd file is generated during installation, when you are installing with ubiquity
[01:02] <tfheen> mantiena-baltix: it could be, at least.  I don't think it is, though
[01:03] <mantiena-baltix> tfheen, I think, that I should report a bug about not needed /boot/initrd* file inside filesystem.squashfs 
[01:06] <tfheen> mantiena-baltix: 
[01:06] <tfheen> argh
[01:06] <mantiena-baltix> Kamion, you are ubiquity developer, what you think ?
[01:06] <tfheen> mantiena-baltix: *shrug*; if so, it should go on ubuntu-cdimage.  I don't see a big point in it, while it would save a bit of space on the CDs, which is good.
[01:09] <mantiena-baltix> yea, this saves about 7 Mb disk space, which is very good for example for language-support-lt ;)
[01:13] <heno> when is final artwork freeze?
[01:13] <heno> I need to know for screenshots used in the winfoss section
[01:14] <tfheen> heno: what are your thoughts on updating onboard?
[01:15] <heno> tfheen: I agree it needs an update (just replied to your mail)
[01:15] <tfheen> ok, thanks.
[01:15] <tfheen> heno: r38 is fine with you?  I can do the update for you.
[01:16] <heno> tfheen: if the reporter was tortoise, then that's the developer
[01:16] <tfheen> heno: tortoise_, but ok
[01:16] <heno> tfheen: why not r40?
[01:16] <tfheen> heno: because he said r38?
[01:17] <heno> tfheen: hm, ok. Looks like he made two updates yesterday after being here then
[01:18] <ogra> heno, btw, onbioard works fine on ltsp clients ... what was the magnifier we ship ? i didnt test that one yet
[01:18] <heno> r38 should be fine then
[01:18] <heno> ogra: gnome-mag, powered by gnome-orca
[01:18] <ogra> oki
[01:18] <ogra> i'll check that one too (iirc it didnt work in wiesbaden)
[01:18] <heno> right
[01:19] <heno> ogra: it might get worse with hw-accelerated magnifiers in future
[01:19] <ogra> hrm, orca doesnt use gstreamer ?
[01:19] <heno> how does ltsp deal with compiz stuff?
[01:19] <ogra> not at all
[01:20] <heno> ogra: what should it use gstreamer for?
[01:20] <ogra> you dont have access to /dev/dri on the client from the users session
[01:20] <Treenaks> ogra: wasn't aiglx made to be "usable" over the net?
[01:20] <ogra> heno, i just had sound output when starting orca manually from console ...
[01:20] <Treenaks> (i.e. more usable than not at all)
[01:21] <heno> ogra: cool! 
[01:21] <ogra> Treenaks, i havent looked into that yet, might be ... but afaik you still need access to dev/dri
[01:21] <ogra> heno, not really ... it comes out of the server instead of using the gstreamer-esd redirect we use in ltsp
[01:21] <Treenaks> ogra: no, you need access to an X server with the GLX extension -- slight difference :)
[01:21] <mjr> Treenaks, yep
[01:22] <mjr> "Accelerated Indirect GLX", hence no absolute need for "Direct Rendering Interface" access
[01:22] <Treenaks> mjr: although I keep confusing XGL and GLX :)
[01:22] <heno> ogra: perhaps you can file a bug on orca upstream, I'm sure they'd want to fix that
[01:23] <tfheen> gnr, the onboard package should be a proper branch
[01:24] <TheMuso> heno, ogra Thats not an orca issue.
[01:24] <TheMuso> Its to do with festival/gnome-speech.
[01:25] <heno> tfheen: in the 'project' or in the ubuntu archive?
[01:25] <ogra> right, that might be ... *something* isnt using gstreamer here :)
[01:25] <heno> TheMuso: does speech dispatcher look any better in that regard
[01:25] <tfheen> heno: the package you get when you do apt-get source onboard should, IMNHSO include the .bzr directory.
[01:26] <TheMuso> heno: In terms of offering several formats for audio output, yes.
[01:26] <TheMuso> As it is, festival supports alsa/oss/esd afaik.
[01:26] <TheMuso> It may also support nas. I am not sure however.
[01:27] <ogra> tfheen, well, thats fine during development if you can waste the bandwith though ... but should be cleaned before releasing the final package ;)
[01:27] <tfheen> ogra: why?
[01:27] <heno> tfheen: ok, I'll ask Chris to fix that when he turns up
[01:27] <tfheen> heno: please also make Chris not nuke old changelog entries.
[01:27] <ogra> tfheen, you dont need to bzr export all the time 
[01:27] <tfheen> ogra: ... why should you ever strip the .bzr directory?
[01:28] <heno> tfheen: ok, I'll send him a log of this discussion :)
[01:28] <ogra> tfheen, because i dont want it in my source package ...
[01:28] <tfheen> heno: thanks.
[01:28] <tfheen> ogra: you didn't answer the question.  _why_ don't you want it in there?  It makes updating the package easier and is otherwise harmless.
[01:29] <ogra> tfheen, the tar.gz of ltsp is 2M big with the .bzr tree and 180k without it
[01:30] <tfheen> ogra: yes, and?  Bandwidth is cheap.  The additional cost of updating a source package without a .bzr directory is much higher than the cost of downloading 1.8MB extra.
[01:30] <ogra> during development i keep the .bzr dir ... just because its one step less i have to do before uploading it ... short before release i only upload with bzr export before ...
[01:30] <_ion> lintian complains about version control directories in the source package.
[01:30] <tfheen> _ion: lintian is wrong in this particular case.
[01:31] <tfheen> ogra: if you're so concerned about source package size, use a lightweigth checkout.
[01:31] <ogra> tfheen, well, i dont want ltsp to be that big ... if a user wants to use bzr he/she should checkout the proper branch anyway
[01:31] <mjg59> Keybuk: On amd64?
[01:32] <ogra> tfheen, do you keep CVS dirs if you have a choice not to ?
[01:32] <tfheen> ogra: you _do_ know that CVS and bzr are completely different beasts, don't you?
[01:33] <ogra> right, i know ... but we're talking about version control info in both cases
[01:34] <ogra> for a final released package it appears cleaner to me not to have that in the package, especially since its a lot of bloat
[01:34] <tfheen> if you think they are comparable, I suggest you look at the centralised vs decentralised RCS discussions that have been all over the net for the last couple of years.
[01:35] <_ion> Whether it's {,de}centralized is irrelevant IMHO. I'd just bzr export ../foo-0.42 and build the source package from there.
[01:36] <agutierr> Hello All. I have a question about preseeds. I am using a preseed to autoinstall the system, but always installer download packages from security.ubuntu.com. Someone knows how I can set this selection to download from my local mirror? Thanks.
[01:36] <tfheen> _ion: a CVS checkout is useless on its own.  A bzr checkout isn't.
[01:38] <_ion> tfheen: Yes, and still i don't consider a debian source package to be the proper place for .bzr. If a user wants to get a bzr tree, she can easily branch it from upstream or launchpad or whatever.
[01:39] <_ion> Especially when it causes the size of the source package to increase tenfold.
[01:40] <tfheen> bandwidth is cheap. *shrug*.
[01:40] <Seveas> tfheen, not everywhere
[01:40] <fabbione> tfheen: you are a bit spoiled bw wise :P
[01:40] <ogra> well, uploading 200k or 2M *makes* a difference with my 512k uplink here
[01:41] <ogra> (its 30sec vs 10min)
[01:41] <mjg59> ogra: I think you mean 30sex vs 5min...
[01:41] <mjg59> Uh, sec
[01:41] <_ion> For instance, the price of my GPRS service is about 1.5/1MiB IIRC. :-)
[01:41] <ogra> mjg59, lol, yes
[01:41] <tfheen> Seveas: I think saying that you have to have reasonable bandwidth to develop is reasonable.  Just like you have to have a faster machine to compile programs at a reasonable speed.
[01:41] <ogra> i never stopwathed it, but its significant :)
[01:42] <ogra> *stopwatched
[01:42] <Seveas> tfheen, imagine all source packages converted to bzr and including a checkout
[01:42] <Seveas> archive would explode
[01:42] <tfheen> Seveas: it'd be lovely.
[01:43] <Seveas> znarl would be mad at you 
[01:43] <tfheen> he'd be happy to get more toys, I'll tell you. :-P
[01:43] <ogra> heh
[01:44] <Seveas> hmm, /me sees elm.o, znar.l and spad.s chasing tfheen with pitchforks because now noone wants to mirror ubuntu anymore ;) 
[01:44] <pitti> Seveas: eventually we want to drop the source packages anyway and *only* commit to a bzr branch on LP
[01:44] <fabbione> tfheen: i am not so sure our src cd publisher will like to jump from N cd's to N dvd's
[01:44] <pitti> Seveas: that'll be much more bw-efficient :)
[01:44] <ogra> hello, this cabinet to your right is our new SAN for .bzr dirs :P
[01:44] <Seveas> pitti 
[01:44] <pitti> and, for that matter, I oppose .bzr in source packages, too
[01:44] <fabbione> ogra: there is already a SAN at the datacenter :) 
[01:44] <fabbione> matter of fact is that we might get the second one for bzr branches :)
[01:44] <ogra> fabbione, yes, i meant the second one to hold all the bzr inofs ;)
[01:44] <Seveas> fabbione, supermirror?
[01:45] <fabbione> Seveas: the second one? yeah.. that was the rumor
[01:45] <Seveas> neat
[01:45] <fabbione> but i am only speculating.. i am not in London or plan DC operations
[01:46] <tcr> May I suggest to ship libcap-dev with the installation cd. Rationale: It may be needed to install vendor software to configure internet access, and if it isn't provided on the cd, may make the life of people quite a bit awkward.
[01:46] <ogra> Keybuk, init: Re-executing /sbin/init 
[01:46] <ogra> is that something i should be worried about ?
[01:47] <ogra> just appeared on my console
[01:47] <fabbione> tcr: please file a bug and explain the rationale.. including an example of vendor software that requires that.
[01:48] <tcr> fabbione: I think it kind of sucks that I've gotta register for that.
[01:51] <Treenaks> fabbione: any news from the X people on my bug? :)
[01:52] <fabbione> Treenaks: nope.. i didn't speak with them today
[01:53] <Treenaks> fabbione: hm, ok :) I'm waiting for airlied to parse my bios ;)
[01:55] <tcr> I downloaded the .deb file from http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/libdevel/libpcap0.8-dev, but when I try to install it on edgy it reports "Dependency is not satisfiable libpcap0.8", otoh libpcap-0.8 i.e. 0.9.4-1 was installed by default.
[01:57] <mantiena> tfheen, still here ? I wanna talk with you about mounting hard disk partition in LiveCD - look at bugs #16356 and #34873 and #48118
[01:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 16356 in Baltix "LiveCD does not mount hard disk partitions (yet)" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/16356
[01:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34873 in Baltix "Harddisks listed at Places and Desktop, but not mounted to /media" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34873
[01:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48118 in Baltix "pmount should not refuse to mount nonremovable drives without fstab entry" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/48118
[01:58] <pitti> mantiena: pmount should be discussed with me
[01:58] <tfheen> mantiena: yes, I'm here
[01:59] <tcr> I've got to correct myself, the version that ships with edgy is libpcap 0.9.4-2. but I can't find that on packages.ubuntu.com.
[01:59] <tcr> I could image that the -2 is part of an ubuntu internal versioning scheme, is that right? 
[02:00] <Seveas> tcr, yes
[02:00] <mantiena> pitti, tfheen: problem is mainly for LiveCD, but not only, because new hard disk are connected on installed systems also
[02:01] <tcr> Seveas: Is it automatically increased when going from on release to the next? 
[02:01] <mantiena> pitti, tfheen
[02:01] <Seveas> no
[02:01] <tcr> Seveas: How can I find out the changes between -1 and -2?
[02:01] <mantiena> but Live CD is almost not usefull if user can't see his data in hard disk partitions
[02:01] <pitti> mantiena: that should be solved with an fstab manager, like pysdm
[02:02] <Seveas> download both sourcepackages and run debdiff 
[02:02] <Kamion> tfheen: ubiquity does call update-initramfs, so removing /boot/initrd* is probably ok
[02:02] <tfheen> Kamion: 'k.
[02:02] <pitti> mantiena: also, gnome-system-tools' disks-admin was ok for that
[02:02] <mantiena> pitti, it's too hard for average users to understand this
[02:02] <pitti> mantiena: we specifically do not want to give access to the fixed hard disk
[02:03] <Kamion> agutierr: preseed apt-setup/security_host
[02:03] <pitti> mantiena: otherwise a normal user could pmount a system partition and put backdoors into it
[02:04] <mantiena> Kamion, so, I should a bug about not needed /boot/initrd in filesystem.squashfs
[02:04] <Kamion> mantiena: that's what we just said, yes; /products/ubuntu-cdimage
[02:04] <pitti> mantiena: we do not care for removable devices, since truly removable ones cannot be trusted as system partition anyway; but we do care for fixed hard disks, which might be physically protected
[02:04] <mantiena> pitti, I'm not talking about normal users, who aren't in admin group
[02:04] <agutierr> thanks Kamion 
[02:04] <mantiena> Kamion, ok
[02:05] <mantiena> pitti, I think pmount should allow to mount non-removable partitions for users, which are in admin group (has sudo rights)
[02:05] <pitti> mantiena: well, as I said in the bug trail, providing a GUI wrapper around mount would be nice
[02:06] <pitti> mantiena: but not hacking this into pmount; it's the wrong place
[02:06] <mantiena> pitti, gnome-vfs already does this, right ?
[02:06] <pitti> mantiena: 'this' == ?
[02:06] <mantiena> pitti, this == wrapper around mount
[02:06] <pitti> mantiena: pmount should not make assumptions about groups
[02:07] <pitti> and checking whether an user can execute something with sudo is *very* hard (and impossible for a normal user)
[02:07] <pitti> and third, it's simply not pmount's purpose
[02:07] <mantiena> pitti, but now pmount works only for users, who are in plugdev group, so it makes assumptions about groups already, right ?
[02:07] <pitti> mantiena: no, pmount does not check any groups
[02:07] <mantiena> pitti, ok
[02:07] <pitti> mantiena: that's simply the case because it gets installed root:plugdev 4754
[02:08] <pitti> mantiena: but, as I said, a gnome integration would still be nice, of course
[02:09] <mantiena> pitti, so, auto-mounting hard disk partitions in Live CD should be solved no in pmount, but in casper or somethin, right ? Last comment about mounting hard disk partition in LiveCD if from tfheen - bug #16356 
[02:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 16356 in Baltix "LiveCD does not mount hard disk partitions (yet)" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/16356
[02:10] <tfheen> mantiena: yeah, it's been argued that it should be done in casper, but I just haven't had enough time to do it.
[02:13] <mantiena> tfheen, I can finish this, just give me you code :)
[02:13] <mantiena> tfheen, I must have LiveCD which automounts hard disk partitions in 2 days :)
[02:14] <tfheen> mantiena: I presume you know where the casper bzr tree is; just branch off that.
[02:16] <mantiena> tfheen, http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/archives/ ?
[02:25] <mvo> Kamion: localechooser is not using LANGUAGE anymore?
[02:26] <mvo> Kamion: and LANG is now written to both /etc/environment and /etc/default/locale?
[02:26] <Kamion> mvo: what do you mean, using?
[02:27] <Kamion> localechooser still writes out LANGUAGE
[02:27] <mvo> Kamion: to what file/location?
[02:27] <Kamion> # We set LANGUAGE only if the languagelist is a list of
[02:27] <Kamion> # languages with alternatives. Otherwise, setting it is useless
[02:27] <Kamion> if echo "$LANGLIST" | grep -q ":"; then
[02:27] <Kamion>         echo "LANGUAGE=\"$LANGLIST\"" >> $DESTFILE
[02:27] <Kamion>         echo "LANGUAGE=\"$LANGLIST\"" >> $DESTFILE2
[02:27] <Kamion> fi
[02:27] <Kamion> mvo: to both /etc/environment and /etc/default/locale, but see that comment
[02:27] <mvo> aha, right
[02:27] <mvo> htanks
[02:27] <mvo> thanks
[02:27] <Kamion> LANG> as you say
[02:28] <mvo> Kamion: so I need to change it in both files in language-selector?
[02:28] <Kamion> yeah
[02:28] <mvo> ok, fixing that now
[02:28] <Kamion> it'll stop being written to /etc/environment once etch is out, I think
[02:29] <Keybuk> ogra: no, that shouldn't be a problem
[02:29] <Keybuk> that usually happens when upstart gets upgraded
[02:30] <mantiena> tfheen, sorry, can  you tell me where is casper bzr tree and partition automount branch now ?
[02:30] <ogra> Keybuk, right, i forgot that update-manager was running on another thin client ... so i saw that meassage on the servers console while working there
[02:31] <Kamion> mantiena: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/casper/trunk/
[02:32] <kristog> hello
[02:32] <Keybuk> ogra: kill 1 does it
[02:32] <tfheen> mantiena: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/casper/trunk
[02:32] <ogra> ah
[02:32] <dholbach> hey kristog
[02:33] <seb128> hi kristog!
[02:33] <kristog> hello dholbach seb128 :)
[02:34] <mantiena> thanks
[02:35] <ogra> pitti, pmount /dev/sda1 on console gives me a million NTFS-fs error messages (the disk is ext3)
[02:36] <mantiena> ;
[02:42] <Keybuk> seb128: getting icon theme errors?
[02:42] <Keybuk> media-player-48.png not found
[02:42] <seb128> Keybuk: no
[02:42] <seb128> Keybuk: ah, do you have a totem launcher on your panel or something like that?
[02:42] <Keybuk> yezh
[02:44] <seb128> the icon name and launcher changed
[02:44] <seb128> but the panel config is static, so it's not updated on upgrade
[02:44] <seb128> and still used the deprecated name
[02:44] <seb128> s/used/using
[02:44] <Keybuk> oh right
[02:45] <seb128> not a lot we can do
[02:45] <seb128> we could create a compatibility symlink for that icon if we think many user have a launcher for it
[02:45] <seb128> but that's about it for edgy
[02:46] <Hobbsee> mjg59: you're known to be good with wifi cards that are supposed to be auto-recognised.  did you want to check out https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/60231 please?
[02:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60231 in linux-source-2.6.17 "wg511 pccard not loaded (regression: dapper -> edgy)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[02:48] <mjg59> Hobbsee: It's not appearing in lspci, so the driver will never bind
[02:48] <mantiena> tfheen, btw, maybe you can recommend some graphical bzr management tool ?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> mjg59: argh, i thought it was, sorry.
[02:49] <Treenaks> bzrk? or real "I want to commit this file" GUIs?
[02:49] <mjg59> Hobbsee: dmesg shows that the card plugging is being detected, but shows no sign of the device itself appearing
[02:49] <Hobbsee> mjg59: good point, i missed that.
[02:49] <tfheen> mantiena: I just use the command line
[02:50] <mantiena> ;)
[02:50] <mantiena> I try to use bzr-gtk ;)
[02:50] <ogra> whee, evo stopped misbehaving in message deletion !
[02:51] <dholbach> ogra: it does?
[02:51] <ogra> yes
[02:51] <seb128> it has been fixed with 2.8.1
[02:51] <ogra> i just upgraded my system
[02:51] <seb128> I've done the update and closed the bug
[02:51] <seb128> and dholbach gets the hugs, that's not fair :p
[02:51] <ogra> seb128, you rock :)
[02:52] <ogra> :P
[02:52] <seb128> ;)
[02:52] <dholbach> :-)
[02:52] <dholbach> wow NICE
[02:55] <mjg59> Hobbsee: 
[02:55] <mjg59> Hobbsee: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6801
[02:55] <Ubugtu> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 6801 in PCI "lspci missing my CardBus Ether card" [Normal,New]  
[02:59] <mjg59> Hobbsee: I've linked to a patch for 60231
[02:59] <Hobbsee> mjg59: cool.  the guy was in -bugs, looking for help to fix it
[03:00] <mjg59> Hobbsee: pci=bios may well work around it
[03:00] <mjg59> Or pci=conf1
[03:13] <heno> tortoise_: tfheen is doing a fresh upload of onboard
[03:14] <heno> tortoise_: he also wanted the full bzr tree included in the source package, but the jury seems to still be out on that :)
[03:15] <heno> tortoise_: also, please preserve the full changelog (with old entries)
[03:16] <tortoise_> heno: ah, ok
[03:32] <Hobbsee> mjg59: [23:32]  <drew_> Hobbsee: pci=conf1 works!!
[03:33] <mjg59> Hobbsee: Ok, cool
[03:33] <mjg59> Hobbsee: In that case, the patch should work
[03:34] <pitti> BenC: crashdump-helper patch> btw, it's relatively easy to pry out the signal number from the core dump, so in edgy+1 we can just use the upstream 'pipe' core dump pattern feature and completely drop our kernel patch
[03:34] <BenC> pitti: excellent
[03:35] <pitti> BenC: (assuming that the pattern supports pid macros)
[03:36] <BenC> pitti: it should, which means you can make the pattern something like "| /usr/sbin/apport %pid %sig"
[03:36] <BenC> or whatever the replacement is
[03:36] <tortoise_> heno: uh oh, I was wrong that version still had the menu item :(
[03:36] <pitti> BenC: ah, right
[03:36] <tortoise_> I swear I took it out ages ago
[03:36] <pitti> BenC: %p and %s, indeed
[03:37] <pitti> BenC: do you happen to know if that helper is still called as root?
[03:37] <pitti> BenC: (currently we depend on it, and it would require some hackery to have it called as normal user)
[03:37] <BenC> pitti: it supports pid, uid, gid, signal, time, hostname, executable name
[03:38] <pitti> sweet
[03:39] <pitti> nice that apport will work on off-the-shelf upstream kernels then
[03:39] <BenC> pitti: it appears it is
[03:40] <BenC> pitti: sort of...we still need to either force core size for apport being enabled, or set it globally
[03:40] <pitti> BenC: oh, the normal ulimit still applies to the piping, hmm
[03:41] <BenC> I can make it so that if corename[0]  == '|' that we ignore core size
[03:41] <pitti> would be a possible solution, yeah
[03:42] <pitti> BenC: is there a method to set the global limit from userland?
[03:42] <pitti> BenC: i. e. it would be nice to set that limit in the same place that sets core_pattern (i. e. apport init script)
[03:43] <pitti> BenC: well, let's think about it in MV
[03:43] <BenC> yeah
[03:59] <dholbach> for everybody interested in the motu meeting, we'll start off in a minute in #ubuntu-meeting
[03:59] <StevenK> Oh drat, I completly forgot about the meeting.
[04:01] <sivang> what is the channel for loco teams?
[04:10] <Tonio_> pitti: may I ping you concerning this ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportKipi-Plugins
[04:11] <Tonio_> pitti: we decided to include this during the latest kubuntu devel meeting
[04:11] <pitti> Tonio_: I can process it now, but three days before RC freeze I'd be a bit hesitant with promotions and package changes
[04:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: your opinion concerning this ? can we delay to edgy+1 ?
[04:13] <Riddell> we're not frozen yet
[04:15] <pitti> Tonio_, Riddell: kipi-plugins-doc should be Arch:all
[04:15] <Tonio_> pitti: yeah I know kamion told me about that mistake (my fault)
[04:15] <Tonio_> pitti: wait second I'm reuploading a corrected version...
[04:15] <pitti> ah, nice
[04:16] <Tonio_> pitti: that was on my today's todo :)
[04:18] <Tonio_> pitti: uploaded
[04:18] <pitti> Tonio_: does kipi-plugins wrap imagemagick, ppmtools etc.? or is it yet another reimplementation? (these imaging libraries are so horribly prone to security issues)
[04:19] <Tonio_> pitti: it can potentially wrap imagemagik but that's optionnal
[04:20] <Tonio_> pitti: it's a self implementation in fact, and has its own features
[04:20] <pitti> Tonio_: it build-deps on libmagick, though
[04:20] <Tonio_> pitti: true yes
[04:20] <Tonio_> let me check this exactly
[04:20] <pitti> if it's only glue between kde and libmagick, this would rock, of course
[04:21] <pitti> if it's a reimplementation of algorithms, this would be a waste and also yet another source of vulnerabilities
[04:21] <Tonio_> pitti: well the binary it only recommends imagemagick
[04:21] <dholbach> What is the current state of -proposed? Does it work? Does it work for universe and multiverse as well?
[04:22] <Kamion> dholbach: working but restricted by policy (StableReleaseUpdates); yes; yes
[04:22] <dholbach> Kamion: gracias
[04:22] <Kamion> whether SRU applies to universe and multiverse is up to you guys; mdz said he'd like there to be at least some similar-looking process
[04:22] <pitti> Tonio_: weird, why does it b-dep on libmagick then?
[04:23] <jdong> BenC: when are you going to fix my unusual_dev? :)
[04:23] <BenC> jdong: Doh, I had that patch ready and forgot to apply it...I'll get it in tonight and upload
[04:23] <Tonio_> pitti: binary depends on libmagick++9c2a, you're right
[04:24] <jdong> BenC: thank you :)
[04:24] <pitti> Tonio_: ah, indeed, I was looking at the wrong version
[04:25] <Tonio_> pitti: so the "glue between kde and libmagick" is probably the good option :)
[04:25] <pitti> Tonio_: well, it's not something I'm entirely happy about at that point in the release, but I do not have a concrete point against it
[04:25] <pitti> so be it
[04:25] <pitti> Tonio_: yeah, definitively
[04:25] <Tonio_> pitti: great, thanks ;)
[04:25] <Tonio_> pitti: yes, sorry for deciding this so late in the dev cycle...
[04:31] <elmo> how do you get the a CRT to turn on, when you attach it to a laptop with an i945GM in it?
[04:31] <elmo> i810switch doesn't seem to recognise the card
[04:31] <elmo> (and the hotkey doesn't DTRT either)
[04:32] <mjg59> elmo: Try i855crt
[04:33] <mjg59> You may need to add the PCI ID
[04:33] <Fujitsu> mjg59, yeah, I've had better (ie. working) results with i855crt and my i915.
[04:33] <elmo> mjg59: gracias
[04:35] <elmo> bah, yeah, need PCI ID hacking - I assume that's a source thing
[04:36] <mjg59> Yeah
[04:36] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[04:36] <dotwaffle> Edgy's ACX100 driver is b0rked, is this the right channel to try and sort out getting it fixed? (I mena b0rked as in the distro, not just on my system - anyone with acx100 wireless can not use their wireless card.)
[04:37] <mjg59> dotwaffle: In what way? 
[04:37] <dotwaffle> mjg59: with the acx100 plugged in, there are a few kernel messages, mostly due to missing firmware.
[04:37] <mjg59> dotwaffle: Is there an open  bug?
[04:37] <dotwaffle> you need to include the latest version of the driver, and the firmware, for it to work.
[04:38] <dotwaffle> mjg59: open? no.
[04:38] <mjg59> dotwaffle: Please open a bug, then
[04:38] <dotwaffle> although I'm writing one now
[04:38] <dotwaffle> =)
[04:38] <dotwaffle> thought i'd ask to see if it's too late for edgy first...
[04:40] <Kamion> mjg59: don't we have the /bind interface now?
[04:40] <mjg59> Kamion: ?
[04:40] <Kamion> echo VVVV:DDDD > /sys/bus/foo/drivers/bar/bind
[04:40] <mjg59> Kamion: i855crt is a userspace app
[04:40] <Kamion> to make a driver bind to a PCI ID
[04:40] <Kamion> replying to this:
[04:40] <Kamion> 15:35 < elmo> bah, yeah, need PCI ID hacking - I assume that's a source thing
[04:40] <Kamion> 15:36 < mjg59> Yeah
[04:41] <Kamion> I mean, assuming my memory is correct, it's quicker than rebuilding the kernel
[04:41] <mjg59> Kamion: Yes - i855crt is a userspace app that writes to the hardware directly
[04:41] <Kamion> oh, I see
[04:41] <mjg59> Kamion: So it has a whitelist of IDs
[04:41] <Kamion> sorry, I thought it was talking to a kernel module
[04:41] <mjg59> Ah, ok
[04:45] <elmo> god damn I hate gcc's insane "LALA UTF-8 quote characters, ENJOY"
[04:45] <thom> yup
[04:46] <_ion> What's the problem?
[04:46] <Kamion> isn't that what the @quot locale thing is for?
[04:46] <thom> _ion: "array subscript has type char "
[04:46] <Kamion> gettext automatically generates an en@quot.po without those
[04:47] <thom> Kamion: oh really?
[04:47] <_ion> Are your terminal's settings or locale settings wrong?
[04:47] <Kamion> gcc may not ship that locale though
[04:47] <thom> hrm, i may just hack buildbot to DTRT
[04:48] <Kamion> $ LANG=en_GB@quot.UTF-8 gcc -Wall -O2 t.c -o t
[04:48] <Kamion> t.c: In function 'main':
[04:48] <Kamion> t.c:5: warning: array subscript has type 'char'
[04:49] <Kamion> elmo,thom: ^---
[04:49] <thom> shiny, thanks
[04:53] <elmo>                 (p = strstr(*buff_ptr, I810_IGSTR)) != NULL ||
[04:53] <elmo>                 (p = strstr(*buff_ptr, I810_CFCSTR)) != NULL;
[04:53] <elmo>                 (p = strstr(*buff_ptr, I830STR)) != NULL ||
[04:53] <elmo> quick, spot the typo!
[04:53] <elmo> anyhoo.
[04:54] <giftnudel> I found it, I found it!!! ;)
[04:54] <elmo> mjg59: this works, but, rawpipe mode doesn't give the full size screen, and chosing a mode (e.g. 1024x768@70) resulted in an extremely corrupt display - any other ideas?
[04:55] <thom> elmo: does this mean you have a real laptop now? ;-)
[04:55] <elmo> thom: no, it means I'm designated tech support
[04:56] <tfheen> if this happens to be a thinkpad, I've had better success poking /proc/acpi/ibm/video
[04:57] <elmo> tfheen: it is - poke it how?
[04:57] <tfheen> elmo: cat the file, it should be fairly self-explanatory.
[04:57] <thom> elmo: oh yum
[04:57] <tfheen> typically, you do echo crt_enable > /proc/acpi/ibm/video to turn the crt on
[04:58] <elmo> yeah, not so much
[04:58] <elmo> # echo crt_enable > /proc/acpi/ibm/video ; grep ^crt /proc/acpi/ibm/video 
[04:58] <elmo> crt:            disabled
[04:59] <tfheen> it might have gotten confused after i855crt frobbed it or the module might not like the machine.
[05:00] <sivang> 
[05:00] <sivang> ah, ops
[05:03] <iwj> tfheen: Can I have a UVF exception for new upstream Firefox rc2 please ?
[05:04] <ogra> iwj, i dont think tollef does UVF exceptions 
[05:04] <jdong_> ooh, FF2RC2... shiny... must ... have....
[05:06] <iwj> ogra: The wiki agrees with you.
[05:06] <tfheen> iwj: please talk to Kamion or mdz.
[05:06] <iwj> tfheen: Emailing them now, thanks.
[05:06] <tfheen> I guess I should be added to the list of people who can do UVFs, but I'm not there now, so better to follow the established process.
[05:07] <iwj> Right.
[05:11] <elmo> grr
[05:12] <elmo> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/i855-crt/+bug/17659
[05:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 17659 in i855-crt "[i855-crt]  no i915" [Wishlist,Rejected]  
[05:15] <dotwaffle> Oh deary me... "Jesus WEPed but Chuck Norris WPAd!" That barely even makes sense!
[05:15] <jdong_> dotwaffle: ??
[05:16] <dotwaffle> crappy gamers thinking they're funny by making Chuck Norris jokes.
[05:17] <dotwaffle> Chuck Norris doesn't need security. His data packets assault anything that gets in the way of their destionation.
[05:18] <azeem> dotwaffle: this is off-topic here
[05:18] <dotwaffle> we had a topic?
[05:18] <dotwaffle> I just realised, this isn't #lugradio
[05:18] <dotwaffle> sorry, my fault.
[05:19] <jdong_> no.. this isn't nearly as entertaining as lugradio.....
[05:19] <dotwaffle> I'll /part in case it happens again ;)
[05:19] <Hobbsee> how odd :P
[05:19] <jdong_> pffft... chuck norris would still use openssh....
[05:20] <jdong_> Hobbsee: you mean it'd be on-topic in #kubuntu-devel? :D
[05:20] <Hobbsee> jdong_: no, it'd still be offtopic there. 
[05:21] <jdong_> oh yeah, that reminds me
[05:23] <StevenK> jdong_: is that: /j ; *BANG* ; /part ?
[05:23] <jdong_> StevenK: something like that :)
[05:23] <Hobbsee> StevenK: more or less.  
[05:23] <doko_> infinity, Kamion: looking for the openoffice.org 2.0.4~rc3-0ubuntu3 binaries, not in the archive, not in the queue, build finished 5h ago
[05:24] <giftnudel> doko_ how can you possibly loose them, they are quite big ;)
[05:24] <jdong_> lol
[05:26] <jdong_> who does linux-restricted-modules?
[05:27] <jdong_> i'd like to talk to him about a UVFe for fglrx
[05:27] <jdong_> 8.29 restores XVideo acceleration for AVIVO and Xorg 7.1
[05:30] <shenki> \sh_away: are you really away?
[05:38] <infinity> doko_: Looking.
[05:41] <infinity> doko_: 
[05:41] <infinity> 09:34:12 INFO    Rejected:
[05:41] <infinity> 09:34:12 INFO    openoffice.org-common_2.0.4~rc3-0ubuntu3_all.deb: deb contents timestamp check fail
[05:41] <infinity> ed [exceptions.SystemError: E:Cannot find chunk data.tar.gz] 
[05:42] <infinity> Let me, uhm, try that again.
[05:45] <infinity> Fails the same way on the second go..
[05:46] <StevenK> infinity: Could it be a data.tar.bz2?
[05:46] <infinity> StevenK: It is indeed, but we have dozens of those in the archive.
[05:46] <StevenK> Ah
[05:48] <doko_> infinity, StevenK: it's bzip2 compressed
[05:48] <infinity> doko_: I know, I tore it apart with ar just now.
[05:48] <infinity> Team Soyuz is on the job.
[05:49] <doko_> ok
[05:49] <infinity> doko_: I'll reprocess the upload when the bug is found..
[05:50] <infinity> mvo: Around?
[05:51] <mvo> infinity: yes
[05:51] <infinity> mvo: The above error string comes from python-apt.
[05:51] <infinity> mvo: Looks like our upgrading python-apt on drescher made bz2 deb handling explode.
[05:52] <mvo> infinity: *ick* what does the code look like that deals with bz2?
[05:52] <infinity> I have no idea what's calling that.
[05:52] <mvo> infinity: it shouldn't have changed, but dreshers python-apt was very old, wasn't it?
[05:52] <infinity> Care to join ##soyuz1.0 and trace it with malcc?
[05:52] <infinity> drescher was runniing hoary's python-apt until just now (edgy's backported now)
[05:53] <infinity> Well, "just now" being "a few days ago".
[05:55] <mjg59> ogra: Have you done anything about the g-p-m issue?
[05:57] <elmo> ok, so, like who tested edgy beta on powerpc?
[05:57] <elmo> and with what?
[05:58] <Kamion> I sort of cowboy-tested it
[05:58] <Kamion> what's failing?
[05:58] <elmo> Kamion: X ;-P
[05:58] <Kamion> haha
[05:58] <Kamion> wasn't that badly broken for me
[05:58] <elmo> Kamion: on both an Xserve and the shinybook in the office
[05:59] <elmo> anyone object to me milestoning the relevant bug?
[06:02] <infinity> doko_: All better now.
[06:03] <infinity> doko_: Thanks for the heads-up.
[06:03] <doko_> infinity: do you still plan with subversion1.4 for edgy?
[06:03] <dholbach> mjg59: hello - the changelog of bluez-utils 3.1-1ubuntu3 mentions 'Fix discoverability of host' - do you remember what you changed? would it make sense to add piscan somewhere? bug 59222 has quite a few people who are confused by not being able to discover the computer
[06:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59222 in bluez-utils "Computer isn't discoverable" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59222
[06:04] <infinity> doko_: "plan" may be a strong word, but if you bug me about it in /msg after I go to bed (in a few minutes), I'll poke mdz about it in the morning and see if he thinks it's too scary.
[06:06] <BenC> can someone approve linux-source-2.6.15 in dapper-proposed please?
[06:06] <mjg59> dholbach: I backported some bits from 3.2 to 3.1. If that doesn't work, the sensible thing to do is to bump the version to the latest upstream.
[06:07] <dholbach> mjg59: the changes are pretty large - I'm not sure Matt will like the changes before Edgy release :-/
[06:08] <dholbach> debian has 3.7 now, I'll try with them
[06:10] <mjg59> dholbach: The version we have is an utter crock of shit, really
[06:10] <dholbach> :-)
[06:10] <dholbach> mjg59: seems I still have to run    hciconfig hci0 piscan
[06:12] <Keybuk> mjg59: I have the usplash 100% spin bug, apparently
[06:14] <mjg59> Keybuk: On what hardware?
[06:28] <fabbione> elmo: yeah.. ati driver was broken on PPC for beta.. i fixed it afterwards
[06:28] <fabbione> elmo: specifically the UseFBDev option
[06:28] <fabbione> elmo: it should be all good now
[06:28] <ColiFato> hi all
[06:29] <ColiFato> sorry people.. but i dont know if i can ask a question here about load balancing in ubuntu
[06:31] <ColiFato> i can do load balancing of 2 internet connections.. one of 300 kbps and another of 128 kbps (download off course) and then download at 400 kbps for giv a number
[06:31] <dholbach> mjg59: with bluez-gnome's bt-applet (just in debian), I was able to pair (with bluez suite 3.7), sending files from the phone to the box still does not work either - I'll have a look later on
[06:31] <fabbione> elmo: added comment on the bug.
[06:31] <_ion> colifato: See topic.
[06:31] <dholbach> ColiFato: that's more a question for #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1
[06:31] <elmo> fabbione: thanks, I'm downloading a daily live now
[06:31] <ColiFato> ok thanxs
[06:32] <fabbione> elmo: lovely. i am going offline to spend sometime with my son. I guess there is no chance to get ssh access to the xserver in case it still doesn't work?
[06:32] <fabbione> elmo: upstream has been very active with us to fix stuff
[06:35] <pitti> mvo: I'm currently looking at the list of open edgy bugs; is there still info required for bug 59079? (It seems not?)
[06:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59079 in gksu "Edgy uses gksu instead of gksudo (gconf schema not registed)" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59079
[06:35] <mvo> pitti: no, no user info. clue why this happens is required ,)
[06:36] <pitti> ah
[06:36] <pitti> mvo: the schema default is true?
[06:36] <mvo> pitti: yes, the problem is that some people seem to not get a schema at all
[06:37] <mvo> pitti: we could hack around this in gksu, but finding/fixing the real issue would be better
[06:37] <pitti> mvo: hm, my current gksu package does not have any schema either
[06:37] <mvo> pitti: libgksu1.9 has it now
[06:37] <elmo> fabbione: hmm?  davis is an example of the xserve in question
[06:38] <pitti> mvo: ah, /usr/share/gconf/schemas/gksu.schemas from libgksu2-0
[06:38] <mvo> pitti: yep. the postinsts look correct etc. I was not able myself to reproduce it. and no upgrade logs from someone who had the problem
[06:39] <pitti> mvo: does ~/.gconf allow you to delete a key?
[06:39] <mvo> pitti: maybe something evil in the upgrade ordering - just speculating - it might be that for a certain amount of time gconf is not fully working 
[06:39] <fabbione> elmo: i mean get ssh access when running the livecd and to be able to debug the ati driver if the bug is there
[06:39] <mvo> pitti: I don't know, maybe seb'gconf-master'128 might know. seb128?
[06:40] <pitti> mvo: but that bug report was apparently about *after* the dist-upgrade
[06:40] <mvo> pitti: yes, people upgrade and the schema is no longer registered
[06:40] <pitti> mvo: it would be very weird to entirely remove keys locally
[06:40] <fabbione> elmo: i will sort of need root power to restart X and change config or gather debugging info... stuff *just* like that..
[06:40] <pitti> mvo: oh, there is another db of available schemas? it doesn't just loko in /usr/share/gconf?
[06:41] <mvo> pitti: they must be registered to be usable AFAIK, its not enough to have them in this path
[06:41] <elmo> fabbione: yeah, that's not very viable ATM, sorry - I'll see what daily's like on this powerbook first, and then get someone to try the Xserve tomorrow
[06:41] <pitti> mvo: ah, well, that points to a likely point of failure
[06:42] <fabbione> elmo: ok thanks.
[06:42] <mvo> pitti: yes, definitely. now we only need to figure out why register sometimes fails
[06:42] <pitti> thom: does that happen to you a lot? (to me it does...)
[06:43] <thom> pitti: all the time - mostly i try to run sudo as the wrong user
[06:43] <jdong> oh sweet!
[06:43] <pitti> thom: heh, for me it's 'sudo apt-get install <make_a_typo>' and the like
[06:44] <Kamion> there is actually a small amount of information to be gained from that
[06:44] <LaserJock> jono: got a sec?
[06:44] <Kamion> namely that you were asked for a password (i.e. that command isn't NOPASSWD)
[06:45] <Kamion> but it's probably not too big a deal
[06:45] <pitti> Kamion: hm, but AFAICS the issue is mainly about disclosing information that would help you for brute-force speedups, but you have a point
[06:46] <pitti> Kamion: however, both 'empty string+enter' and 'Control-C' are logged in auth.log, so I wasn't concerned
[06:47] <jono> LaserJock, yep
[06:48] <sivang> tfheen: had a chance to take a look at the changlog entry I've sent you for moin?
[06:51] <seb128> mvo: pong
[06:51] <seb128> pitti: no, gconf doesn't allow to delete a key
[06:51] <seb128> pitti: if there is no user config the schemas is used
[06:52] <pitti> seb128: ok, thanks; then it seems the file becomes unregistered in the dist-upgrade process
[06:52] <pitti> seb128: update-desktop-database is responsible for registering?
[06:53] <seb128> pitti: we already have bug #50150 about weird errors like that
[06:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50150 in metacity-themes "Configuration editor reports that no schema can be found since latest dapper updates" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/50150
[06:53] <mvo> pitti: it unregisters the old schemas automatically in the prerm rule
[06:53] <seb128> pitti: no, update-desktop-database is for .desktop
[06:53] <mvo> pitti: via gconf-schemas --unregister
[06:53] <pygi> sivang: ping!!!!
[06:53] <mvo> pitti: dh_gconf adds this automatically to the maintainer scripts
[06:53] <seb128> pitti: dh_gconf makes the snippets and gconf-schemas (which is a wrapper around gconftool-2) does the registration
[06:54] <pitti> ah, thanks
[06:54] <pitti> I don't want to step on your toes, it's just interesting me
[06:54] <seb128> I'm not sure if there is some sort of weird bug happening to few people
[06:54] <seb128> or if the few case can be hard drive issue or something
[06:54] <mvo> my current theory is that something happens when a new gconf is unpacked but not configured yet 
[06:54] <pygi> hey pitti, seb128 
[06:54] <seb128> like not sure if that's a gconf bug or just the system not being robust to transitional issues on upgrade
[06:55] <pitti> hi pygi 
[06:55] <seb128> hi pygi
[06:55] <seb128> not easy to get datas on that
[06:55] <seb128> we would need to log all the gconf registration for everybody to have some luck and get a log of somebody having the issue
[06:55] <mvo> seb128, pitti: similar to the problem that we had with pango for the breezy->dapper upgrade
[06:55] <seb128> because usually reinstalling the package works fine for those people
[06:56] <seb128> mvo: no, the pango issue we had a clear understanding of the issue
[06:56] <mvo> seb128: or a useful terminal log of a upgrade and *might* contain a error message or something
[06:56] <seb128> right
[06:56] <mvo> seb128: not at first (at least I hadn't :)
[06:56] <seb128> right
[06:56] <seb128> but postinst does the registration
[06:57] <seb128> it's not supposed to be able to fail without breaking the postinst
[06:57] <seb128> and there is nothing supposed to run after the postinst touching the schemas neither
[06:58] <mvo> seb128: does the schema registration require a runing gconfd-2 ?
[06:58] <mvo> to work?
[06:58] <seb128> I'm not sure
[06:58] <seb128> gconfd-2 is spawned when required
[06:58] <seb128> and doesn't need a running xorg
[06:58] <seb128> let me try to run the binary away :p
[06:59] <seb128> s/run/move
[06:59] <sivang> pygi: you made it ! :)
[06:59] <pygi> sivang: ergh, yes!!!
[06:59] <pygi> pm if you can read it, gotta run soon :)
[06:59] <sivang> pygi: where you are in anyways? on the moon?
[06:59] <pygi> sivang: kind of :)
[07:00] <seb128> mvo, pitti: I would not consider that "some people have schemas not registred" an edgy blocker, we already had such bugs before dapper
[07:00] <seb128> there is really few of them
[07:00] <seb128> would be nice to fix but not a blocker
[07:01] <pitti> seb128: I agree, as long as we do the h4ck1sh workaround for gksu
[07:01] <pitti> since breaking gksudo can lock out people completly from their boxes
[07:01] <mvo> seb128: when it happens for gksu it makes the system no longer usable for "normal" users, if we don't find anything I would rather want to add a hacky workaround than to leave it open
[07:01] <seb128> mvo: what is the workaround about?
[07:02] <pitti> seb128: default to true if the value is empty
[07:02] <seb128> ah, I'm fine with that
[07:02] <seb128> it doesn't hurt
[07:02] <mvo> seb128: the only "trouble" is that there is no "gconf_get_bool_with_default()"
[07:02] <pitti> yeah, it's just like hardcoding the schema :)
[07:02] <mvo> so it will be 1) test_key 2) use default if not found 
[07:02] <pitti> mvo: hm, but gconftool has to figure out the null value somehow?
[07:02] <mvo> but not a real issue
[07:03] <pitti> ah, ok
[07:03] <mvo> pitti: there is a test-for-key
[07:03] <mvo> but when gconf_get_bool() returns false
[07:03] <mvo> you don't know why
[07:05] <seb128> mvo: what do you mean?
[07:06] <pitti> seb128: 'false' can mean 'key found, value false' or 'key not present'
[07:07] <seb128> pitti: there is gconf_client_get_without_default() and gconf_client_get_default_from_schema()
[07:07] <elmo> rah so much hate
[07:08] <janimo> seb128: thanks for the python-extras upload :)
[07:08] <seb128> janimo: np
[07:09] <elmo> tfheen/mjg59: ACPI doesn't work even after a reboot, crt_enable just doesn't. i855crt 'works' in as much as a visible copy of the screen is displayed on the monitor, but the colours are all SNAFU and the mouse isn't visible
[07:09] <elmo> either of you (or anyone) got any other ideas how I can get this damn Thinkpad to talk to a monitor?
[07:09] <mjg59> elmo: What model?
[07:10] <elmo> X60
[07:10] <elmo> ah, google suggests fucking with xorg.conf
[07:10] <mjg59> What bit depth is it configurd to?
[07:10] <elmo> 24-bit
[07:10] <mjg59> You can fuck with xorg.conf, but you'll be stuck with the CRT output powered at all times
[07:10] <mjg59> Try 16, though it's a bit of a long shot
[07:10] <elmo> mjg59: what's the implications of that - just battery life?
[07:11] <elmo> (CRT output powered at all times)
[07:11] <seb128> mvo: no, no need of a running gconfd-2
[07:12] <mjg59> elmo: Yeah
[07:13] <elmo> mjg59: any idea how much?
[07:13] <Keybuk> mjg59: amd64 nvidia 
[07:14] <mjg59> elmo: Not really
[07:14] <mjg59> Keybuk: x86emu exploding
[07:14] <Keybuk> mjg59: you run usplash under x86emu?
[07:14] <hunger> elmo: Why don't you do a special xorg config for giving presentations? You can then start an extra xserver with that when you need it.
[07:14] <mvo> seb128: thanks for verifiying, that destroies my nice theory
[07:14] <mjg59> Keybuk: How else are you going to do vesa on amd64?
[07:15] <seb128> mvo: np
[07:15] <Keybuk> no idea, can't it do it?
[07:15] <Keybuk> is there any debugging I can usefully do?
[07:15] <mjg59> Keybuk: You need to make real-mode bios calls. amd64 kernel doesn't have vm86 mode.
[07:15] <elmo> ok, he has 7 hours battery life
[07:15] <elmo> I don't think he cares
[07:15] <mjg59> Tollef's been looking at it today
[07:15] <Keybuk> mjg59: I see
[07:16] <Keybuk> what broke it?  x86emu update?  usplash using svgalib?
[07:16] <mjg59> It's never worked
[07:16] <sladen> hunger: just an extra ServerLayout is needed
[07:16] <mjg59> Other than via the framebuffer interface
[07:17] <Keybuk> oh, I usee
[07:17] <Keybuk> so the bogl stuff worked
[07:17] <mjg59> Yeah
[07:17] <Keybuk> but the svgalib stuff doesn't?
[07:17] <mjg59> Indeed
[07:17] <Keybuk> I guess the emergency "oh well" is to just use bogl on that hardware?
[07:17] <mjg59> Now in theory, this should work fine
[07:17] <mjg59> Since the vesa driver runs happily on amd64
[07:17] <mjg59> But there's clearly a problem of some sort, and it's awkward to track down
[07:18] <elmo> mjg59: ok, worked perfectly after adding relevant 3 lines to xorg.conf, thanks
[07:21] <mvo> seb128, pitti: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/tmp/15_extra_paranoia_for_gconf.diff.patch <- does that look ok?
[07:22] <pitti> mvo: looks as if exactly fixes the corner case condition
[07:25] <mvo> pitti: thanks!
[07:30] <seb128> mvo: looks fine to me too
[07:32] <elmo> is there any other way to fix the CMOS clock on a powerpc?  hwclock isn't working anymore (no rtc)
[07:35] <pitti> seb128: d'oh - gnome-sound-properties neither uses gconf nor .asoundrc nor .gstreamer-0.10/registry.xml; Where the heck does it save its settings?
[07:37] <pitti> seb128: oh, it does use gconf, gconfd just didn't write back the changes; nevermind, sorry
[07:39] <janimo> mjg59:do you think the usplash can do soemthing to break resume from suspend for a radeon? If I boot w/o usplash it works fine
[07:40] <edoardo> hi everyone!
[07:40] <edoardo> you guys
[07:40] <edoardo> i've downloaded ubuntu-6.06.1-desktop-i386.iso... on my hd it's a 1.4g file, i burned it to a dvd... but the dvd won't boot! so i've loop mounted the iso... and it's seven hundred megs! how come? help!
[07:41] <dholbach> edoardo: please try rather #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1
[07:41] <sladen> janimo: very likely, svgalib is doing tinkering
[07:41] <_ion> Perhaps you somehow concatenated two images to a single file.
[07:41] <dholbach> hi _ion
[07:41] <_ion> Hi dholbach
[07:41] <edoardo> over ther discussions tend not to be technical
[07:41] <edoardo> *there
[07:42] <edoardo> come on you guys! i wrote a package that's part of universe! : ) help me out!
[07:42] <dholbach> edoardo: this is a channel about development of ubuntu
[07:42] <dholbach> hehe
[07:42] <pitti> edoardo: sounds like a bad download, really
[07:43] <edoardo> pitti uh, awright. i'll try and download it again then
[07:43] <edoardo> thankyou pitti!
[07:43] <dholbach> bye edoardo :)
[07:43] <edoardo> byebye everyone! use audio-convert! : )
[07:44] <edoardo> audio-convert kicks ass! byebye everyone! and thankyou! : )
[07:52] <janimo> ogra: ping
[08:07] <elmo> huh, what - how did avahi-daemon become an installed by default?
[08:08] <sivang> IIRC it was planned for it to be there by default :)
[08:12] <mvo> elmo: its installed, but not enabled, right?
[08:12] <elmo> not sure, I just saw it being pulled in as part of a dist-upgrade
[08:12] <elmo> I suspect/hope libnss-mdns isn't enabled at least
[09:21] <sabdfl> is the python2.5 dep of python-gnome2 a known issue?
[09:21] <LaserJock> hehe
[09:22] <mvo> sabdfl: AFAIK yes, I'm looking for the bugnumber now
[09:26] <seb128> sabdfl: I thought I fixed it, looking if the update built
[09:27] <seb128> hum, in fact I fixed it for pygtk, fixing it for gnome-python now
[09:34] <sabdfl> thanks seb128 :-)
[09:34] <seb128> np
[09:51] <Tonio_> Kamion, Keybuk: pitti approved kipi-plugins main inclusion report and I seeded it today, since it was decided to add it to kubuntu-desktop. Any chance to get the package to main today or tomorrow ?
[10:04] <jdong> could a core-dev look at  bug 57872 for me
[10:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57872 in gnome-power "regression: pressing power button no longer brings up logout dialog" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57872
[10:04] <jdong> I attached a proposed fix, people who tried it say that it works well
[10:09] <Kamion> Tonio_: ok, I'll have a look
[10:11] <Tonio_> Kamion: thanks
[10:11] <Kamion> Tonio_: done
[10:12] <Tonio_> Kamion: perfect, thanks a lot
[10:26] <mdke_> Kamion: got a mo?
[10:31] <Kamion> mdke_: yeah
[10:32] <mdke_> Kamion: I'm trying to figure out how to use buildweb.sh in installation-guide to build more than one arch, but can't. Do you know off-hand?
[10:34] <Kamion> mdke_: looks like this should do it:
[10:34] <Kamion> architectures='amd64 hppa i386 ia64 powerpc sparc' ./buildweb.sh
[10:34] <Kamion> mdke_: or we could just change buildweb.sh to build only the Ubuntu architectures by default
[10:35] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, ping
[10:35] <mdke_> Kamion: which archs should I build?
[10:36] <mdke_> those you've listed?
[10:38] <mdke_> Kamion: that command still just seems to build one arch for me, I wonder if I've broken the script somehow. I've made very few changes tho
[10:38] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts/+bug/55966/comments/13 unic thing that remains to solve for Georgian (in Edgy).
[10:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55966 in ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts "ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts.conf problem." [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[10:43] <Kamion> mdke_: try it with 'sh -x ./buildweb.sh' to see if it's bailing out somewhere in the middle
[10:44] <Kamion> mdke_: yes, the architectures I listed are the Ubuntu ones. actually you could drop hppa if you're building for edgy
[10:45] <mdke_> Kamion: I'll pastebin the output
[10:46] <kristog> night*
[10:48] <mdke_> Kamion: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26099/
[10:50] <Kamion> seb128: why doesn't python-gnome2-extras depend on the new python-gtkhtml2? not doing so seems like it'll break upgrades
[10:51] <Kamion> or at least cause the gtkhtml module to go missing on upgrades
[10:52] <Kamion> mdke_: apt-get build-dep installation-guide
[10:53] <Kamion> mdke_: in this case it wants you to install gs-common
[10:53] <Kamion> but you'd probably better grab the lot
[10:54] <mdke_> Kamion: for the arches? I'm not bothered about the pdf, tbh
[10:54] <seb128> Kamion: because I overlooked the patch sent by janimo :/
[10:55] <Kamion> mdke_: then set formats='html txt' in the environment
[10:55] <seb128> Kamion: fixing now
[10:55] <Kamion> it's html pdf txt by default
[10:55] <Kamion> seb128: thanks
[10:55] <Kamion> I NEWed it a moment ago, so the new version should sail on through
[10:55] <seb128> thank you for pointing it
[10:55] <Kamion> np
[10:56] <mdke_> Kamion: yes, I saw that error, but didn't think it was relevant to just one arch being built
[10:56] <Kamion> mvo: re bug 61684, you say that the alternate installer needs to be modified. However, the alternate installer uses aptitude install ~tubuntu-desktop (etc.), not apt-get install ubuntu-desktop. Does your statement still stand?
[10:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61684 in portmap "Removing any u-desktop depdencency marks all other packages for auto-removal (on alternate install)" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61684
[10:56] <Kamion> mdke_: buildweb.sh is set -e, so it bails out on any error
[10:57] <Kamion> like most sensible shell scripts
[10:57] <mdke_> Kamion: oh, I see. Sorry, I'm not familiar with shell scripts
[10:58] <Kamion> set -e means that commands that exit non-zero cause the whole script to terminate, unless they're "caught" (by 'if', '&&', '||', or constructs like that)
[10:58] <mdke_> ok!
[10:58] <Kamion> it basically turns on a simple form of exception handling :-)
[10:58] <mdke_> so I do formats='html txt' architectures='amd64 hppa i386 ia64 powerpc sparc' ./buildweb.sh
[10:58] <Kamion> sounds right
[10:58] <mdke_> ahh, yeah :)
[10:59] <Kamion> set destination=/wherever if you want it to be somewhere other than /tmp/manual
[11:00] <imbrandon> Kamion, can you do a giveback rebuild ?
[11:00] <Kamion> imbrandon: no - I'm not in the launchpad-buildd-admins team
[11:00] <mvo> Kamion: I think it does, because when I tested it for the beta all dependencies of ubuntu-desktop were marked auto-installed. 
[11:00] <imbrandon> Kamion, ahh ok
[11:00] <Kamion> mvo: ok, I can change the installer then, but can we fix aptitude too?
[11:03] <mvo> Kamion: I can look at aptitude first thing in the morning. If we fix that, we don't need to fix the installer (I guess)
[11:04] <Kamion> mvo: either works - tasksel isn't too hard to change
[11:06] <AlinuxOS> Kamion, when is the debian-installer translation dead-line date ?
[11:07] <Kamion> AlinuxOS: it's marked on EdgyReleaseSchedule (non-language-pack translations)
[11:07] <mvo> Kamion: right, I think I remember the problem now. aptitude ~t goes over the tasks and finds that ubuntu-desktop is part of the task and selects it for install. this means that all (not-yet-marked-for-install) dependencies of ubuntu-desktop get marked for (auto)install
[11:07] <Kamion> mvo: oh, ugh
[11:07] <Kamion> AlinuxOS: guess I'd better send a quick note to ubuntu-translators@
[11:09] <AlinuxOS> Kamion, great
[11:10] <AlinuxOS> I've another 200 string to do for debian-installer ! So great to know the deadline date.
[11:11] <Kamion> AlinuxOS: note that many of them (particularly the later ones) are unlikely to actually be incorporated, because there are 50+ component packages and I don't upload all of them at this point for translation updates
[11:11] <Kamion> AlinuxOS: those that are in ubiquity itself, I'll certainly import
[11:11] <AlinuxOS> Kamion, I hope that suspended https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts/+bug/55966/comments/13 will soved too.
[11:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55966 in ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts "ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts.conf problem." [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[11:11] <Kamion> but for the rest, your best bet is to get the translations into Debian
[11:11] <Kamion> AlinuxOS: 55966 is nothing to do with me
[11:11] <AlinuxOS> Kamion, After debian-installer what chould I do ? Is there something non language pack pacakge
[11:12] <AlinuxOS> something linked with debian-installer ?
[11:12] <Kamion> gfxboot-theme-ubuntu too
[11:12] <Kamion> also ubiquity/+translations for ubiquity's desktop file
[11:12] <Kamion> and note that debian-installer has two templates, the other of which is the boot menu help files
[11:13] <Kamion> AlinuxOS: ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts 0.3 failed to build from source; see http://librarian.launchpad.net/4710114/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts_0.3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:13] <Kamion> cp: cannot stat `./debian/ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts.conf': No such file or directory
[11:13] <AlinuxOS> Kamion, gfxboot-theme-ubuntu is done... Ubiquity ?
[11:14] <Kamion> you can check for yourself :) I just incorporated all the pending translations into ubiquity 1.1.30
[11:14] <AlinuxOS> Kamion, ok. I'll do it.
[11:15] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, Hello, maybe here ? ;)
[11:15] <mvo> Kamion: I think changing the installer would be a good option for now, I will look at aptitutde tomorrow, but I don't know yet how hard/easy it will be 
[11:15] <Kamion> mvo: ok
[11:15] <AlinuxOS> Kamion, thank you for infos!
[11:15] <Kamion> you're welcome
[11:16] <Kamion> good good, my big pile of changes to make usplash detect resolution correctly on initial d-i installs worked
[11:16] <Kamion> ... apparently I can't post to ubuntu-translators@
[11:17] <mdke_> I can moderate it
[11:17] <mdke_> oh no I can't, we made it subscriber only...
[11:17] <Kamion> oh, sigh
[11:17] <Kamion> if I bounced the message to you, could you forward it for me?
[11:18] <mdke_> sure
[11:18] <AlinuxOS> Kamion, I think put ubiquity at second place after debian-installer is a good idea.
[11:18] <Kamion> thanks a lot
[11:18] <mdke_> sorry, it was the superspam list, and hardly any genuine mails were in the queue
[11:18] <AlinuxOS> putting ubiquity :)
[11:18] <Kamion> AlinuxOS: not my call, I don't run Rosetta
[11:18] <Kamion> nor am I a translator, so I don't know what else is important
[11:19] <Kamion> I'm reluctant to shout "put all my stuff FIRST kthxbye" :-)
[11:20] <AlinuxOS> :)
[11:20] <mdke_> Kamion: posted
[11:20] <Kamion> mdke_: thanks!
[11:20] <AlinuxOS> I think that debian-installer,menu stuff and ubiquity should be at the beginning.
[11:21] <Kamion> ubiquity isn't all that critical - the icon on the desktop should be fairly obvious even if you can't read the text
[11:21] <Kamion> and that's all that that template controls
[11:21] <AlinuxOS> :)
[11:21] <Kamion> well, that and the item in the Applications menu
[11:21] <AlinuxOS> so only menu and debian-isntaller :)
[11:24] <AlinuxOS> Kamion, is it normal that ubiquity has only 2 strings ? :)
[11:27] <Adri2000> could any archive admin sync xmoto please, bug 64404 (uvf exception accepted), mdz Keybuk Kamion ?
[11:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64404 in xmoto "Please sync xmoto 0.2.2-1 (universe) from Debian Sid" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64404
[11:27] <Kamion> AlinuxOS: Yes. As I just told you, that template only handles the text on the desktop. Everything else is incorporated into the debian-installer template.
[11:27] <Kamion> Adri2000: I'll have a look in a moment
[11:27] <Adri2000> thanks
[11:28] <AlinuxOS> Kamion, great. So I concentrate myself on debian-installer
[11:29] <ajmitch> morning
[11:29] <AlinuxOS> Kamion, ...and that +50 string are Ubuntu distribution related right ? 
[11:31] <Kamion> AlinuxOS: I don't understand your question
[11:31] <Kamion> "+50"?
[11:32] <AlinuxOS> I've noticed that today incrised number of strings to translate...
[11:32] <AlinuxOS> circa 50 I think.
[11:34] <Kamion> AlinuxOS: I don't know exactly, sorry
[11:34] <Kamion> AlinuxOS: that's because danilos imported a new version of the master translation file from me, and I think it hadn't been updated in a while
[11:34] <Kamion> for all I know it could date from pre-UVF
[11:35] <AlinuxOS> Kamion, that's ok... I'll translate them all! :D
[11:36] <AlinuxOS> Kamion, that's really great that finally users can install Ubuntu with Georgian interface since CD-ROM boot...that's really amasing! :)
[11:36] <AlinuxOS> I'm proud that Ubuntu is the first distribution that does it!(finally)
[11:37] <Kamion> good to hear
[11:39] <joejaxx> hey Kamion may i pm you?
[11:41] <Kamion> joejaxx: please just ask the question, rather than asking to ask
[11:41] <Kamion> joejaxx: if you'd asked last night, I'd have answered when I woke up in the morning