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| zul | @schedule montreal | 12:59 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Montreal: 09 Oct 10:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 16:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 16:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 08:00: Community Council | 18 Oct 08:00: Edubuntu | 12:59 |
| Hawkwind | @schedule chicago | 01:00 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Chicago: 09 Oct 09:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 15:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 15:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 07:00: Community Council | 18 Oct 07:00: Edubuntu | 01:00 |
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| freeflying|away | @schedule Shanghai | 04:56 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: 09 Oct 22:00: MOTU | 11 Oct 04:00: Technical Board | 12 Oct 04:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 20:00: Community Council | 18 Oct 20:00: Edubuntu | 04:56 |
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| siretart | @time europe | 08:58 |
| siretart | @time berlin | 08:59 |
| Ubugtu | Current time in Europe/Berlin: October 09 2006, 08:59:12 - Next meeting: MOTU in 7 hours 0 minutes | 08:59 |
| ajmitch | hi siretart :) | 08:59 |
| siretart | heyho ajmitch! | 08:59 |
| GNAM | @schedule rome | 08:59 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Rome: 09 Oct 16:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 22:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 22:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 14:00: Community Council | 18 Oct 14:00: Edubuntu | 08:59 |
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| siretart | :) | 09:07 |
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| sivang | @schdule Israel | 10:47 |
| sivang | @schedule Israel | 10:47 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Israel: 09 Oct 16:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 22:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 22:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 14:00: Community Council | 18 Oct 14:00: Edubuntu | 10:47 |
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| lucas | @schedule paris | 11:20 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Paris: 09 Oct 16:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 22:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 22:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 14:00: Community Council | 18 Oct 14:00: Edubuntu | 11:20 |
| lucas | ok, won't make it. | 11:20 |
| Fujitsu | @now | 11:38 |
| Ubugtu | Current time in Etc/UTC: October 09 2006, 09:38:35 - Next meeting: MOTU in 4 hours 21 minutes | 11:38 |
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| freeflying | @schedule Shanghai | 02:46 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: 09 Oct 22:00: MOTU | 11 Oct 04:00: Technical Board | 12 Oct 04:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 20:00: Community Council | 18 Oct 20:00: Edubuntu | 02:46 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: MOTU | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 10 Oct 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 11 Oct 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 12:00 UTC: Community Council | 18 Oct 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | ||
| freeflying | @schedule Shanghai | 03:55 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: Current meeting: MOTU | 11 Oct 04:00: Technical Board | 12 Oct 04:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 20:00: Community Council | 18 Oct 20:00: Edubuntu | 03:55 |
| sivang | so, MOTU meeting is now? | 03:56 |
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| dholbach | anytime soon, yes | 03:56 |
| Toadstool | hey here | 03:57 |
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| freeflying | hi all | 03:58 |
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| Gloubiboulga | hello | 04:00 |
| zul | hi | 04:00 |
| dholbach | OK everybody - welcome to the MOTU meeting | 04:01 |
| Gloubiboulga | I can only stay ten minutes :/ | 04:01 |
| dholbach | We try to keep this meeting short, as we all want to get back to fixing the last bugs in Edgy. :-) | 04:01 |
| dholbach | Our agenda is quite short, it's over here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings | 04:01 |
| dholbach | First point on the agenda is: "Prepare check lists for Universe/Multiverse for release." | 04:01 |
| dholbach | In the previous release cycles we always had lists of things we wanted to get done | 04:02 |
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| dholbach | like the python transition, the unmet dependency lists, ftbfs lists and other transitions | 04:02 |
| dholbach | not to forget: Bug lists! | 04:02 |
| dholbach | What do we have on the plate for Edgy release? | 04:02 |
| Fujitsu | We ideally need to get a FTBFS list, 'cause an unmet deps. list is trivial... | 04:03 |
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| dholbach | Ok | 04:03 |
| dholbach | 1) UnmetDeps list - easy to do, we can massfile bugs on that one | 04:03 |
| Fujitsu | Yup. | 04:03 |
| dholbach | 2) for the FTBFS list we can take the list of failed builds on launchpad | 04:04 |
| dholbach | because I think that Adam (infinity) is too busy to do an archive rebuild at this stage. | 04:04 |
| Fujitsu | dholbach, not really. A lot of things haven't been built in ages. | 04:04 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah, true. | 04:04 |
| dholbach | if anybody else has a feasible idea on that one, I'm all ears. :-) | 04:04 |
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| dholbach | Do we have any open transitions we don't get by looking at the unmet deps list? | 04:05 |
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| sivang | dholbach: what about the python transition, is it all done ? | 04:05 |
| dholbach | sivang: for Universe: I doubt it | 04:06 |
| sivang | I see :-/ | 04:06 |
| dholbach | sivang: doko_ fixed a lot and synced a lot from Debian, but I guess it's not complete (for Universe) | 04:06 |
| sivang | yes, I see | 04:06 |
| dholbach | Ok - anything else specific for the last days before release? | 04:06 |
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| dholbach | (If you can think of anything later on, just mail ubuntu-motu@) | 04:07 |
| siretart | dholbach: we have that gnustep transition open | 04:08 |
| dholbach | siretart: ah! how many packages does that involve? | 04:08 |
| siretart | dholbach: you surely remember a series of UVF exceptions the last dats | 04:08 |
| dholbach | siretart: yeah I do - are there other packages involved? | 04:08 |
| siretart | dholbach: I'm not sure as I'm not familiar with gnustep at all | 04:08 |
| dholbach | I see | 04:08 |
| dholbach | I'll follow up with him. | 04:09 |
| siretart | I remember a message from debian-release@lists.debian.org, that this transition isn't complete even in debian/etch | 04:09 |
| dholbach | I'll write him after the meeting - let's hope we get that done for release | 04:09 |
| siretart | ok | 04:09 |
| sistpoty | what's that transition about... I remember quite a bunch of gnustep uploads at the beginning of edgy... | 04:10 |
| geser | the gnustep transition will need several packages to be rebuilt or synced but I haven't checked in detail yet | 04:10 |
| geser | I'm still trying to get all pieces built | 04:10 |
| minghua | gnustep transition is almost finished in Debian from what I read from debian-release list | 04:10 |
| minghua | some packages are still in NEW | 04:11 |
| geser | gnustep-back needs to be built | 04:11 |
| sivang | yes, also curious to know what the gnustep transition is about | 04:11 |
| sistpoty | maybe s.o. could investigate and post to ubuntu-motu@l.u.c? | 04:11 |
| dholbach | Ok, that sounds as if we're on a good way to get it fixed. | 04:11 |
| siretart | yes, lets not block the meeting with that transitions. let's move on | 04:12 |
| dholbach | For Universe/Multiverse Bugs: 1 75 of 2778 results is, what I currently see. | 04:12 |
| dholbach | What is a good way to address those bugs? | 04:12 |
| dholbach | ( http://tinyurl.com/p7moy ) | 04:12 |
| StevenK | dholbach: Close the lot of them, of course. | 04:12 |
| dholbach | ;-) | 04:12 |
| dholbach | Right. | 04:12 |
| Fujitsu | Write a script that iterates through and rejects them. Problem solved. | 04:13 |
| StevenK | dholbach: Some of those 2778 probably apply to Hoary which can be found and slaughtered. | 04:13 |
| Fujitsu | We have a bug-free universe. | 04:13 |
| dholbach | I'm sure that a lot of old ones can indeed be rejected. | 04:13 |
| Fujitsu | StevenK, probably. | 04:13 |
| dholbach | that's rather a task for the opening of edgy+1 | 04:13 |
| Fujitsu | True... | 04:14 |
| dholbach | in the process of uploading a fix for universe and multiverse in the last days we should always make sure to check the bugs in launchpad for that package | 04:14 |
| dholbach | that way we can easily find bugs that can be closed with the upload and some even point to the debian bug with a patch | 04:14 |
| Fujitsu | I've generally tried to do that for all of my uploads. | 04:14 |
| dholbach | Fujitsu: Good work! | 04:14 |
| dholbach | 1 75 of 157 results Uni/Multiverse bugs with patches | 04:15 |
| dholbach | those are lowhanging fruit, I guess | 04:15 |
| siretart | dholbach: I don't really see what we as motu team can decide or discuss about high bugnumbers, besides encouraging to participate in bug squashing sessions | 04:15 |
| dholbach | I'll write a mail to ubuntu-motu@ about that later on | 04:15 |
| dholbach | siretart: I only try to identify low-hanging fruit | 04:15 |
| dholbach | things we can get fixed easily. | 04:16 |
| siretart | dholbach: what we can do is to try to create reports about how many bugs we have open, how many are confirmed, important and have a patch, and list them in a report | 04:16 |
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| dholbach | siretart: nice idea - that would go well into a MOTU section on UWN | 04:16 |
| sistpoty | from taking a glimpse on some bugs, some basic triaging (getting info etc.) might help... maybe we could do a hug day? | 04:16 |
| siretart | in the hope that this encourages uploaders actually looking at bugs. debian has a weekly report about RC bugs | 04:16 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: sure - sfllaw will be happy to see some people working on universe packages | 04:16 |
| dholbach | Ok, I'll write a mail about Universe bugs. | 04:17 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: great! | 04:17 |
| dholbach | Who wants to massfile bugs on unmet deps? | 04:17 |
| dholbach | I have a script for that - but if somebody else wants to do that, that's cool | 04:18 |
| Fujitsu | I can do it, if others won't :) | 04:18 |
| dholbach | Fujitsu: I think I'll also point to the failed builds on launchpad | 04:18 |
| dholbach | Fujitsu: http://daniel.holba.ch/bzr/massfile | 04:18 |
| Fujitsu | Thanks. | 04:18 |
| sistpoty | would be good to have the packagename in the bug title (i guess that was a script bug last time *g*) ;) | 04:18 |
| dholbach | hehe :-) | 04:18 |
| dholbach | ok, let's move on - if some of you have clever ideas which bugs/fixes to address - follow up on the mailing list | 04:18 |
| siretart | and tag them! :) | 04:19 |
| dholbach | 2) Find agreement on StableReleaseUpdates for Universe/Multiverse | 04:19 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates | 04:19 |
| Fujitsu | Yes, that's particularly important to me, as I've got an update or two that need doing ;) | 04:19 |
| siretart | dholbach: 1st question: do we have a -proposed upload target for universe? | 04:19 |
| dholbach | Usually shortly after releases we get lots of requests for updates to <stable>-updated | 04:19 |
| dholbach | -updates | 04:19 |
| dholbach | siretart: I'm not quite sure, I'll investigate and let you all know. | 04:20 |
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| sistpoty | just curious: did anyone do a SRU for uni/multiverse recently? | 04:20 |
| dholbach | not recently | 04:20 |
| siretart | dholbach: is someone only who we can ask? because I think this could be important for our further discussion of this point | 04:20 |
| siretart | s/only/online/. gnarf | 04:21 |
| siretart | sistpoty: I think LaserJock tried to do one, but mdz told him that we need a process for that first | 04:21 |
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| siretart | sistpoty: thats why we are discussion that here | 04:21 |
| dholbach | I asked in #ubuntu-devel | 04:21 |
| siretart | thanks | 04:22 |
| sistpoty | imo the entry barrier as proposed in SRU-updates is too high for universe... | 04:22 |
| dholbach | that's my feeling too, sistpoty | 04:22 |
| Fujitsu | siretart, I see an SRU for matplotlib by LaserJock. | 04:22 |
| sistpoty | maybe we could get s.th. like motu-uvf in place for SRU policies and just get a final ack after the -proposed upload from ubuntu-archive? | 04:22 |
| siretart | Fujitsu: oh. i see | 04:22 |
| dholbach | <dholbach> What is the current state of -proposed? Does it work? Does it work for universe and multiverse as well? | 04:22 |
| sivang | what's the SRU? | 04:22 |
| dholbach | <Kamion> dholbach: working but restricted by policy (StableReleaseUpdates); yes; yes | 04:22 |
| dholbach | sivang: STABLE RELEASE UPDATES | 04:22 |
| sivang | dholbach: ah, right, sorry ! :-) | 04:22 |
| dholbach | *cough* :) | 04:22 |
| sivang | hehe | 04:23 |
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| siretart | I like sistpoty's idea (in fact, I wanted to propose something similar) | 04:23 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: how do you think the testing process should work? | 04:23 |
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| dholbach | ... testing part of the process ... | 04:23 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: just some ideas so far...: | 04:24 |
| sistpoty | only updates allowed with bug numbers | 04:24 |
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| sistpoty | then we could "abuse" the ppl. filing the bugs to participate in testing | 04:24 |
| siretart | (they are likely interested in actually testing fixed packages) | 04:25 |
| sistpoty | the motu-uvf-alike team would also need to do some basic tests I guess | 04:25 |
| dholbach | yeah that's the interesting part of the question: who do we ask to test? | 04:25 |
| dholbach | bug reporters: good idea | 04:25 |
| siretart | dholbach: the bug submitters and subscribed ppl to that lp bug | 04:26 |
| dholbach | motu-uvf: bad idea - too much mails already ;-) | 04:26 |
| dholbach | siretart: do you think that's enough? | 04:26 |
| siretart | dholbach: let's call that group 'motu-sru' | 04:26 |
| sistpoty | yay | 04:26 |
| sistpoty | of course the uploader needs to test thoroughly *g* | 04:26 |
| siretart | dholbach: I think yes. we cannot afford the same level of testing as in main | 04:27 |
| dholbach | and that would be people who agree to do tests in the stable release now and then? | 04:27 |
| rmjb | uvf? | 04:27 |
| dholbach | rmjb: upstream version freeze | 04:27 |
| dholbach | What about mailing them to UWN and announcing them - for people to test and have a look? | 04:27 |
| siretart | dholbach: I don't understand, announce what exactly? | 04:27 |
| dholbach | that would make sure we have a reasonably big tester community | 04:27 |
| dholbach | "fixed packages of <...> available for testing." | 04:28 |
| siretart | in form of a report section of UWN? sounds great! | 04:28 |
| dholbach | yeah | 04:28 |
| minghua | sounds a good idea, but I'm not sure how well that will work | 04:28 |
| Fujitsu | Although some bugs already have large communities built up around them, so have a large testing ground already :P | 04:28 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: sounds great... maybe we could increase the testing time a little bit (2-4 weaks?)? | 04:28 |
| Toadstool | dholbach: and point the testers to the sru bug report, otherwise we'll get a whole load of dupes :) | 04:28 |
| sivang | Yes, sounds like UWN would encourage people to do testing. | 04:29 |
| siretart | minghua: we have to test. do you have another proposal? | 04:29 |
| dholbach | because we need to get thorough testing done: be honest: all of us run the development release and seldomly test stuff in the last stable | 04:29 |
| minghua | I have some input method related package I want to propose for SRU, but I doubt many testers are interested in testing them | 04:29 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: so that proposed will become a kind of testing *g* | 04:29 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: >= 2 weeks - yes, what I thought | 04:29 |
| sivang | dholbach: well, setting up a dapper chroot is not hard :) | 04:29 |
| siretart | dholbach: how does the -propsed queue work? do uploads get automatically built and published? | 04:29 |
| minghua | siretart: not really, but I think the uploader/proposer should be more responsible | 04:29 |
| dholbach | sivang: thoroughly using it, is | 04:30 |
| dholbach | minghua: we have a cjk-testers team in launchpad - maybe you could subscribe them to that bug? | 04:30 |
| dholbach | siretart: yes, in the <stable>-proposed section | 04:30 |
| sistpoty | just a side though: we should try to limit new upstream versions though, maybe only for utterly broken packages or small diffs, since these would be a target for -backports imo | 04:30 |
| sivang | so, that measn testers will have to have another box runnign dapper.. | 04:30 |
| minghua | dholbach: a lot of bugs I want to fix have cjk-testers subscribed, not much activity from what I see | 04:31 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: agreed | 04:31 |
| siretart | dholbach: cool. I imagined that would be a moderated queue, similar to NEW or something | 04:31 |
| sivang | sistpoty: indeed, make a lot of sense. | 04:31 |
| dholbach | minghua: you could try to prod jono about making the team more active - maybe ask in the loco teams to get people involved there | 04:31 |
| Fujitsu | sistpoty, of course. | 04:31 |
| minghua | dholbach: sure, I'll think more about this | 04:31 |
| dholbach | Wow, looks like we got some good ideas on that one. | 04:31 |
| siretart | :) | 04:32 |
| minghua | I'm just expressing my interest on SRU for universe here :-) | 04:32 |
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| sistpoty | for testing, maybe we could make some silly "acks >= n" guidelines for packages, to see if updating in fact makes sense | 04:32 |
| dholbach | Anyone wants to add something to it? | 04:32 |
| dholbach | minghua: :-) | 04:32 |
| freeflying | minghua: anything relate to zh_CN, ubuntu-cn would like test | 04:32 |
| minghua | I think strict ack >= n is a good idea | 04:32 |
| dholbach | might be a bit tough for obscure packages | 04:33 |
| sivang | sistpoty: I'd say not >= , but they will have to provide X benefits on ground which we will update them. | 04:33 |
| dholbach | but this is something we'll figure out along the way | 04:33 |
| minghua | freeflying: not really, the things I have in my head is scim-chewing and scim-m17n | 04:33 |
| minghua | freeflying: but thanks for the information | 04:33 |
| sivang | so having something like "Does it fulfill A,B,C and E? okay let's update" | 04:33 |
| dholbach | We need to flesh out this process perfectly, so it'll be easy for people to get involved in approving, forwarding, testing, etc | 04:33 |
| minghua | freeflying: on the other hand, most zh_CN related scim stuff are in main anyway | 04:33 |
| sistpoty | I wouldn't make it a strict policy (as dholbach just mentioned)... but rather a guideline which the sru-team could still override | 04:33 |
| freeflying | minghua: but we wtill can test | 04:33 |
| dholbach | yeah | 04:33 |
| rmjb | testing on stable can be done in a virtual appliance? if users are running development? | 04:34 |
| dholbach | Ok - let's put all of this into a wiki page later on and work on it together | 04:34 |
| sivang | rmjb: for sure | 04:34 |
| minghua | back to the ack >= n thing - if we can't get enough acks, it should mean not many users are interested in this package, shouldn't it? | 04:34 |
| siretart | did we agree on a 'motu-sru' team? how many members and what quorum do we want to have? | 04:34 |
| sivang | and when Xen is ready in edgy, it will even come out of the box IIRC. | 04:35 |
| dholbach | I have the feeling that we won't solve the process entirely today. | 04:35 |
| sivang | we need to start with somethign modest, | 04:35 |
| sivang | and refine the process as we go | 04:35 |
| sistpoty | minghua: it would... but some obscure packages that are utterly broken anyway would get of starved from this... so I'd make it just a guideline which can be overridden... | 04:35 |
| sivang | *something | 04:35 |
| Fujitsu | dholbach, of course, there is a lot to be decided. | 04:36 |
| dholbach | Yes | 04:36 |
| sivang | We can start with a very basic set of guidlines, and see what more we require by experience | 04:36 |
| rmjb | the sru will also apply to dapper since that's LTS or does that already have something in place? | 04:36 |
| sistpoty | minghua: also, testing by s.o. who's really knowing what he's doing is worth more then 5 tests of ppl. who don't have much clue ;) | 04:36 |
| minghua | freeflying: you mean ubuntu-cn can still test packages in main, or test packages not about zh_CN? | 04:36 |
| dholbach | I'll start on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/SRU later on and will try to make the wiki page so everybody can add their proposal in easily | 04:36 |
| dholbach | we should discuss the strict guidelines in another meeting | 04:36 |
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| siretart | or perhaps on the mailing list | 04:36 |
| dholbach | good idea too | 04:37 |
| sistpoty | +1 | 04:37 |
| sivang | +1 | 04:37 |
| Fujitsu | +1 | 04:37 |
| dholbach | so it gets some eyeballing before we finally agree in a meeting | 04:37 |
| freeflying | minghua: we'd like test anything we can do :) | 04:37 |
| siretart | next item? | 04:37 |
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| minghua | sistpoty: very true. if some one is willing to be responsible for the upload, then things can be overridden. :-) | 04:37 |
| dholbach | MOTU Build Farm and Donation (HW, CPU time, and $) process (JordanMantha) | 04:38 |
| dholbach | laserjock is not here | 04:38 |
| dholbach | I think we probably should leave this one out for the next meeting - what do you guys think? | 04:38 |
| sistpoty | yep | 04:38 |
| minghua | is TheMuso here? | 04:38 |
| TheMuso | TO be honest, I think its something that should be discussed on the ml. | 04:38 |
| siretart | dholbach: perhaps you can give some details about this proposal? | 04:38 |
| minghua | the proposal mail to -motu is his | 04:38 |
| TheMuso | Its not something thats easily talked about on IRC> | 04:38 |
| bddebian | I think some should just send me a PPC, Sparc, and amd64 and be done with it.. ;-P | 04:38 |
| siretart | bddebian: I have a spare ultra1 ;) | 04:39 |
| dholbach | siretart: I have no idea | 04:39 |
| dholbach | siretart: it's his item :) | 04:39 |
| siretart | ic | 04:39 |
| siretart | hm. the original proposal was from Luke Yelavich | 04:40 |
| siretart | dholbach: can we abuse edgy-proposed for that? | 04:40 |
| TheMuso | A few of us were talking about it in -motu earlier today, and were throwing ideas around, but due ot the complexity of what might have to be done, I feel it it would be easier on the mailing list. | 04:40 |
| dholbach | siretart: for what? | 04:40 |
| TheMuso | IMO | 04:40 |
| Fujitsu | I think this is fairly important, because I've run into a couple of bugs/FTBFSes in various things that only appear in PPC or [insert other obscure architecture here] . It's pretty much impossible to debug this sort of stuff without access to machines of the target architecture. | 04:40 |
| siretart | dholbach: testuploading packages to see if they build on all architectures or for testing of patches? | 04:40 |
| Fujitsu | And not all of us have non-x86 machines. | 04:40 |
| dholbach | hmrmhrmhmrmhrmhrmhrmhrmhr | 04:40 |
| dholbach | I don't like the idea much - the buildds are usually somewhat blocked already | 04:41 |
| TheMuso | I wasn't thinking of using the build servers. | 04:41 |
| siretart | dholbach: buildds can be prioritized. I imagine that very low priority | 04:41 |
| Fujitsu | *cough* openoffice *cough* kde *cough* | 04:41 |
| dholbach | not blocked, but you know that other stuff will be delayed | 04:41 |
| dholbach | I don't like the idea much | 04:41 |
| TheMuso | I am very well aware of their busy schedule. | 04:42 |
| dholbach | you can ask on #ubuntu-devel - as it's not my decision | 04:42 |
| sistpoty | imo it's not so much the problem to test if a package builds on all arches before a package is uploaded, but rather to get access to arch-xy if there is a build-failer on that arch | 04:42 |
| TheMuso | Has everybody here read the original email I sent? | 04:42 |
| sistpoty | failure even | 04:42 |
| minghua | TheMuso: I read :-) | 04:43 |
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| minghua | I think TheMuso's idea is not really a build farm, but something like Debian's developer's machine for all archs | 04:43 |
| minghua | which MOTUs can log in and do test builds or debugging | 04:44 |
| minghua | TheMuso: is that correct? | 04:44 |
| minghua | and in that case we don't need the official buildds | 04:44 |
| minghua | some machines in a MOTU's house works just fine | 04:44 |
| TheMuso | minghua: SOmewhat. I was thinking of something where anybody who has hardware can donate its use for building/testing, but on a purely volintary basis. | 04:45 |
| Fujitsu | Like what a couple of people do now. | 04:45 |
| TheMuso | And have such systems in place so that if a user donates hardware, but has low bandwidth, their systems only build small packages. Same with CPU speed, and times of day. | 04:45 |
| TheMuso | Fujitsu: Exactly. | 04:45 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch raised some interesting points about security. I'd have to dig back through my -motu logs to find them however. | 04:46 |
| _MMA_ | Hello all. LaserJock and I talked at some length about this. I have a AMD AM2 4600+ machine that I would like to compile packages on. Currently I cant package. I wanna learn but my current situations gives me limited time to learn new things. So we discussed I could process files without configuring everything. | 04:46 |
| _MMA_ | I also wanted to donate some $ for hardware. | 04:47 |
| dholbach | Can we start getting ideas together on a wiki page for that? | 04:48 |
| dholbach | It looks like it's not something we can decide easily | 04:48 |
| TheMuso | Thats a good idea. | 04:48 |
| sistpoty | hm... just as a side idea: maybe we could also form amd64/sparc/ppc/whatever teams, that have access to that hw and to whom we could assign arch-specific bugs to. usually it's easy for s.o. who has that arch to fix the bug because he will know what's the problem | 04:48 |
| StevenK | That's a big assumption. | 04:49 |
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| sistpoty | well.. usually as in for the easy fixes... of course there are tough tasks, which the team could reject then | 04:49 |
| StevenK | I own an sparc64 and a parisc, doesn't mean I know anything about how the software functions in comparsion to an i386 | 04:49 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: Same with myself and my ppc. | 04:49 |
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| rmjb | sistpoty: with this proposal the person with the knowledge of the package can fix the bug since they'll have access to the different arches | 04:50 |
| dholbach | we could add a subpage to the wiki about people and their hardware | 04:50 |
| sistpoty | rmjb: sure... it was just an extra idea on top of that | 04:50 |
| dholbach | and decide on a process to form those teams, etc | 04:50 |
| tomveens | wiki idea: need a spokesperson for the page a one point to communicatie with about HW donation | 04:50 |
| dholbach | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Machines ;-) | 04:51 |
| sistpoty | the motu-machines :) | 04:51 |
| TheMuso | heh | 04:51 |
| dholbach | we can add all the security worries, process ideas, lists, mail addresses, everything to it | 04:51 |
| tomveens | who's first? | 04:51 |
| dholbach | I suggest we do that before we start to decide on something :) | 04:52 |
| dholbach | but it was great to see some ideas thrown into the mix ;-) | 04:52 |
| TheMuso | dholbach: Agreed. I just wanted to get it out in the open. | 04:52 |
| dholbach | TheMuso: thanks a lot for that. | 04:52 |
| TheMuso | np | 04:52 |
| dholbach | next time and date? | 04:52 |
| dholbach | I'd like to have it after the release | 04:52 |
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| Fujitsu | A couple of days after? | 04:53 |
| TheMuso | Does anybody mind if I create the wiki page dholbach suggested above | 04:53 |
| dholbach | Fujitsu: sounds good | 04:53 |
| Fujitsu | Go ahead, dholbach. | 04:53 |
| tomveens | okay | 04:53 |
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| TheMuso | SO I can flesh out my original proposal a little more? | 04:53 |
| dholbach | between release and UDS, after? | 04:53 |
| Fujitsu | Oops, *TheMuso, not dholbach. | 04:53 |
| TheMuso | :) | 04:54 |
| dholbach | Ok, we can handle that on the mailing list as well. | 04:54 |
| dholbach | Thanks a lot everybody for coming to the meeting! | 04:54 |
| TheMuso | np | 04:55 |
| sistpoty | thanks for the meeting ;) | 04:55 |
| dholbach | Have a good time until the release - I know you're all going to ROCK! | 04:55 |
| Fujitsu | THanks for running it :) | 04:55 |
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| dholbach | de rien :) | 04:55 |
| Fujitsu | No, no rocking. Sleeping now :P | 04:55 |
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| dholbach | Fujitsu: sleep tight. | 04:55 |
| TheMuso | Fujitsu: SOunds like a plan. | 04:55 |
| TheMuso | That page is going up tomorrow. | 04:55 |
| Fujitsu | Thanks dholbach :) | 04:55 |
| Fujitsu | Good idea, TheMuso. | 04:55 |
| Fujitsu | 'tis late. | 04:55 |
| Fujitsu | Or early. | 04:55 |
| TheMuso | Yeah. And I don't feel very awake. :p | 04:56 |
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| Fujitsu | Neither. | 04:56 |
| Fujitsu | See you all on the morrow. | 04:56 |
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| bddebian | Hey, what'd I miss. Can you all start over? ;-P | 05:06 |
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