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Laser_awayhmm, I need a "CVS for svn users" tutorial :/12:50
ajmitchaka "going back to the stone age"12:52
Laser_awaywell, lots of projects still use it :/12:53
Laser_awayI've never had to use it before12:53
Laser_awayI went and ran autogen.sh and ./configure && make && make install12:54
Laser_awaybut CVS has no revert12:54
Laser_awaythat I can find12:54
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Laser_awaydo most people checkout the CVS and then copy it to a tmp dir to work in?12:56
zulheh alot of companies still use cvs12:57
ajmitchLaser_away: cvs up -C file12:57
Laser_awaywell, I'm particularly working with a few Gnome apps12:58
Laser_awayso I've got 3 CVS checkouts12:58
ajmitchmotu meeting tonight12:58
ajmitchwell, 3AM for me12:58
Laser_awaypoor ajmitch12:58
Laser_awayif you can't make it we'll understand for sure12:59
ajmitchI might try12:59
ajmitchback later12:59
Laser_awayif you can't though maybe you could email your thoughts on the agenda items12:59
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zulwhere is the agenda anyways?01:02
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mister_robotoanyone know how to make a request for new software to be placed in the repositories?01:27
Adri2000universe is frozen for edgy01:28
mister_robotoAdri2000: yes, but i'm asking for the next version01:29
mister_robotoAdri2000: or some time in the future01:29
Adri2000new ubuntu version?01:29
mister_robotothe software i'd like to see it "truecrypt".   the current source that you can download from their site doesn't compile on edgy and the .deb is for dapper01:30
mister_robotowould be nice to see it maintained properly01:30
Adri2000if you know about packaging you can create a package for edgy+1 (in a few weeks) and send put it on REVU, if you don't, you can request it here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates01:31
Adri2000s/send put/put/01:31
mister_robotoAdri2000: thanks!01:32
Toadstoolmister_roboto: iirc there are licensing issue with truecrypt01:32
Toadstooldunno if it has been fixed01:33
mister_robotoToadstool: hmmm... no idea01:33
mister_robotoToadstool: been using it on windows and it's pretty slick01:33
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LaserJockajmitch: you up?04:44
ajmitchLaserJock: it's approximately 4pm04:45
ajmitchyes, I am awake04:45
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LaserJockwhat do you think of making a script to send pbuilder jobs to people's machines and getting .debs and build logs back04:46
ajmitchsounds moderately crackful, but not very hard04:47
LaserJockI had 2-3 people who wanted to donate CPU time on their computers04:47
ajmitchI could do it with mini-dinstall & some hooks in a short time04:47
LaserJockto the MOTU04:47
=== ajmitch is generally far shorter on bandwidth than on cpu time
=== LaserJock is short on arch and cpu time
ajmitch& I just have 2 systems at home to build on04:48
ajmitchwhich shows how short I am on bandwidth :)04:49
LaserJockwell, I was wondering04:49
LaserJockmaybe we could use tiber04:49
ajmitchtiber == slow04:49
LaserJockwhere MOTUs and Hopefuls would put packages they need built04:49
ajmitchit could be used for coordinating & sending stuff out04:50
LaserJockyes, that's what I'm talking about04:50
ajmitchremember that it's not 100% secure building stuff for others, even inside pbuilder04:50
LaserJockI was trying to think of a what to do it04:51
TheMusoWhat you guys are discussing is along a similar line to what I was thinking.04:51
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LaserJockperhaps using gpg and having some sort of screening mechanism04:51
LaserJockTheMuso: yes, I am :-)04:51
LaserJockthe guy that's doing mubuntu04:52
LaserJocksaid he would donate some time on his AMD64 4600+04:52
=== ajmitch would be happy doing this in some xen instances, rather than in builder
ajmitchsigh, I've only got a slow old 4200+ :)04:52
TheMusoHeh. I don't even have a 640bit CPU.04:53
TheMuso64-bit even04:53
LaserJockI've got a stink 1.3 GHz P4 so :p04:53
TheMusoWell I do in my alpha, but thats not an Ubuntu supported arch.04:53
LaserJocksomebody even mentioned they might be willing to buy a machine for MOTU to use04:54
LaserJockI put a MOTU Build Farm (TheMuso's stuff) and Donations on the agenda for the MOTU Meeting04:54
LaserJockit might be interesting to consider04:55
LaserJockI see 2 issues04:55
LaserJock1) trust04:55
LaserJock2) it's pretty straightforward to build, but what about testing the resulting .debs04:56
TheMusoLaserJock: Yeah.04:56
LaserJockfor testing we could look into piuparts04:57
TheMusoIf we only had to worry about building them, and some people felt brave enough, they could do what imbrandon is trying to do, and set up cross-compile pbuilders etc.04:57
TheMusoSo fast AMD64/i386 machines could host cross-compilers.04:57
TheMusoBut it still doesn't solve the trust issue.04:57
ajmitchdecent isolation like xen can help04:58
LaserJockwell, if we seperate uploader from builder (having a source repo on tiber that builders pull from)05:00
LaserJockthen it eliminates trust issues on the builder's end I think05:00
TheMusoOne thing that has to be considered is bandwidth. Some of us are on the other side of the planet.05:01
LaserJockbut on our end05:01
LaserJockas far as uploading?05:01
TheMusoJust general passing files around to machines etc.05:01
LaserJockI do that all the time anyway05:02
LaserJockin the basic case I'm not sure there would need to be a lot of transfer05:02
TheMusoPassing files between machines over the net back and forth etc?05:02
TheMusoYeah I know.05:02
LaserJockapt-get source, upload to REVU, transfer to my home computer, transfer ...05:03
TheMusoPerhaps a system where the owner of a donated system can set up just how much bandwidth they have, so they for example need to worry about big source packages.05:03
TheMusoAnd same with CPU speed.05:03
LaserJockI was thinking the builder could set up certain criteria like that05:03
TheMusoSlower machines can be set to only build small packages05:04
LaserJockperhaps even time of day05:04
LaserJockbut I think even having machines to look at FTBFS on amd64 and ppc would be nice05:06
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LaserJockjust returning the build log05:06
ajmitchLaserJock: technically, it's not hard to setup05:11
LaserJockHobbsee: are you really here?05:11
ajmitchshe's probably at uni05:12
Hobbseehey LaserJock.  indeed.05:12
Hobbseeand i am at uni, yes05:13
LaserJockworking hard?05:13
ajmitchLaserJock: eg sbuild should get xen support at some point - so the combination of sbuild+lvm+xen is fairly safe05:13
Hobbseeyeah...got a couple more assignmetns today :(  why?05:13
ajmitchor you could just do pbuilder05:13
LaserJockHobbsee: what classes are you taking?05:13
HobbseeLaserJock: computing (c++), physics, electronics, maths05:14
ajmitchof course Hobbsee is working hard...05:14
zul_slacking more like05:15
LaserJockah C++, you should teach me05:15
LaserJockI want to learn C++05:15
LaserJockI was hoping to go through life without having to05:15
LaserJockbut alas, the world hasn't converted to Python completely ;-)05:16
LaserJockaren't most Gnome apps written in C?05:17
TheMusoLaserJock: afaik yes05:17
LaserJockhmm, I wonder why the ones I'm looking at are C++05:17
LaserJockI'll have to ask the dev05:17
=== Hobbsee might learn python next
TheMusoLaserJock: What package?05:17
TheMusoWhat are its deps?05:18
TheMusoDoes it depend on gtkmm anywhere?05:18
TheMusooh ok.05:18
LaserJockmaybe he just likes C++ better05:19
TheMusoI am surprised that he doesn't use the gtkmm wrappers.05:19
TheMusoOr he might use gnomemm wrappers.05:19
LaserJockI think he said he didn't05:20
LaserJockat least for gtkmm05:20
LaserJocknot sure about gnomemm05:20
LaserJockdo you know how I could tell from the code?05:21
LaserJockmaybe I can write python bindings for the library05:22
LaserJockhaha, who am I kidding? ;-)05:22
ajmitchgo for it!05:25
LaserJockoh sweet, Gnome bindings for Fortran :-)05:26
LaserJockI'm only a raging Ubuntu-holic MOTU, I have no programming supa powers :'(05:27
LaserJocklike, I thought I knew some python, but Amaranth clearly showed me I have no idea how to use Python ;-)05:28
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ajmitchI'm just your everyday hacker05:29
AmaranthLaserJock: I'm not proud of some of the things I've made Python do. :P05:29
ajmitchAmaranth: you can get help for that05:30
LaserJockAmaranth: my wife is a couselor, she might be able to help05:30
AmaranthLike, say, replacing the class an object is an instance of without recreating the object.05:30
ajmitchAmaranth: when you're abusing things like that, you know something is wrong05:31
ajmitchit's not something to be proud of by any means :P05:31
Amaranthajmitch: It didn't work out anyway, pygtk doesn't create new-style classes05:31
AmaranthI believe I was trying to replace an automatically created child of a widget with a subclassed version that had extra methods i needed :P05:33
ajmitchnew-style classes do have their uses05:33
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LaserJockcrimsun: got any recommendations for C++ books/resources online06:25
crimsunbah, just reattached06:32
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ajmitchhello crimsun06:35
crimsunhi ajmitch06:36
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ajmitchhello Burgundavia06:44
Burgundaviahey ajmitch06:44
ajmitchhow's boston?06:45
Burgundavianot bad06:46
Burgundaviais today a holiday in europe?06:46
ajmitchno idea06:46
BurgundaviaI think I talked a rh guy into shipping g-a-i on Fedora06:47
ajmitchhow was whiprush's session?06:47
Burgundaviapretty quiet06:47
Burgundaviait was just me and whiprush06:47
ajmitchthat's sad06:47
ajmitchI thought there'd be some more interest than that06:48
Burgundaviasadly federico couldn't make it06:49
ajmitchhopefully you'll get a bit more interest at UDS06:49
Burgundaviaif I am there06:50
Burgundaviawork is about to start a huge new project06:50
ajmitchI thought you'd already arranged to get there06:50
Burgundaviawhich means I may not be able to go06:51
ajmitchhow annoying06:51
BurgundaviaI should have just booked the tickets and then used them as a fait accompli06:51
ajmitcha shame I didn't have money for airfares last week06:51
ajmitchsince they've gone up a bit now06:51
Burgundaviahave they gone up?06:52
ajmitchabout $200 NZD06:52
Burgundaviahmm, that sucks06:52
ajmitchit may have been manageable beforehand, now it's a bit tighter06:53
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ajmitch16K open bugs, and RC freeze in a matter of days06:57
ajmitchwe're doing well06:57
chillywillyanyone know if pengi really means penguin in japanese?06:57
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imbrandon_moins all08:33
imbrandon_TheMuso: still arround ?08:34
TheMusoimbrandon_: For a bit yeah.08:34
imbrandon_cool, i got the cross compilers working and cross packageing08:34
imbrandon_MUCH simpler than the howto i put up before08:34
imbrandon_i only have one small issue to work out08:35
imbrandon_but it will be easy i think08:35
imbrandon_( the extra libs from non-base packages that are arch specific )08:35
imbrandon_like xlibs08:35
imbrandon_but simple packages ( that dont require extra libs ) work perfect08:36
imbrandon_the rest should just be a matter of paths08:36
imbrandon_i think this is gonna work out good for the MOTU farm ( and those that want to do it on their own too )08:37
imbrandon_i also ran accross a project called dpbuilder ( distribute pbuilder ) so jobs get scheduled accross machines08:39
imbrandon_but a sigle job still runs on one machine08:39
imbrandon_so say i setup 4 500mhz ppc machines , you would only have to log into one08:39
imbrandon_and run dpbuilder on the package08:40
imbrandon_the package would build localy but say the second motu that logs in08:40
imbrandon_and runs dpbuiler his package gets scheduled on another machine08:40
imbrandon_but you both only have to have one login08:40
imbrandon_all in all its looking promising08:41
TheMusoimbrandon_: Will you be at the MOTU meeting08:43
TheMusoTHe motu build farm is on the agenda for that.08:43
imbrandon_oh nice08:43
TheMusoSo you can talk about that then.08:44
TheMusoTHe biggest concern for some of us is security.08:44
TheMusoBy some of us, I mean others who have talked about it in here.08:44
ajmitchhi TheMuso, imbrandon_08:44
TheMusoHey ajmitch.08:45
imbrandon_heya ajmitch08:45
imbrandon_TheMuso: yea i thought about that too, i was looking into setting up chroot jails for each user08:45
imbrandon_shouldent be hard at all08:45
TheMusoAnyway, I'll be back in about 35-40 minutes.08:45
ajmitchimbrandon_: depends on how much you trust people who will be logging in08:46
imbrandon_but if they are jailed then08:49
ajmitchthen they probably still have full network access & chroots can be broken08:49
imbrandon_they shouldent be able to get out ( as long as they cant run setuid  progs )08:49
imbrandon_hum true, it will have to have a good design and be thought out well08:50
imbrandon_but i think it will be doable ( just not overnight )08:50
imbrandon_you ?08:50
ajmitchsure, it's not hard08:50
imbrandon_i mean like right now i only let people i trust but still keep security pretty high but still08:51
imbrandon_i wouldent let the public in as is08:51
imbrandon_s/public/just any MOTU08:51
=== ajmitch has only let a couple of people on with pbuilder/chroot here
imbrandon_yea i only have , hmr 4 accounts me, hobbsee , fujitsu , and seveas08:52
Hobbseehey yeah, meeting is on tonight.  that's right08:53
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imbrandon_heya Hobbsee08:54
Hobbseehi dholbach08:54
ajmitchHobbsee! dholbach!08:54
dholbachgood morning08:54
dholbachhey Hobbsee, hey imbrandon08:55
dholbachheya ajmitch08:55
FujitsuHobbsee, thanks for the reminder!08:55
FujitsuI must remember not to go to bed.08:55
imbrandon_how many hours is it ?08:55
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ajmitch7 hours08:57
=== ajmitch might go to bed soon & get up for the meeting
ajmitchonce I get through some more bugs08:57
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imbrandon_heya elkbuntu09:11
elkbuntuhi :)09:11
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ajmitchhello elkbuntu09:11
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imbrandon_nixternal: ping09:29
imbrandon_nixternal: just wanted to poke you about your blog, you do know sun and canonical worked closely togather bringing ubuntu to the niagra chips .... i would have posted this as a comment but the math check is a little fubard ( it told me 7 x 9 isnt 63 )09:31
ajmitchimbrandon_: he didn't deny that :)09:32
ajmitch"I highly doubt that Sun will be the last..."09:32
ajmitchsort of implies that he knew that :)09:33
imbrandon_hrm i guess, heh09:33
imbrandon_ahh ok , i see, i was reading that diffrently09:34
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superm1imbrandon_, just wanted to poke about those two LP bugs I had up for mythtv and mythplugins.  did you get a chance to look at either?09:48
imbrandon_ahh crap no i got busy with gcc stuff and forgot, whats the bug numbers i'll do it now09:48
superm1let me look em' up really quick '09:48
superm1bug 63486 and bug 7428509:50
UbugtuMalone bug 63486 in mythplugins "mythphone causes mythfrontend seg fault on amd64" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6348609:50
superm1bug 6428509:50
UbugtuMalone bug 64285 in mythtv "Update to newer debian multimedia revision" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6428509:50
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ajmitchhi spacey10:05
spaceyhi ajmitch10:05
=== spacey fixed his xen stuff
ajmitchwhat was the problem?10:06
spaceywierd =)10:06
spaceyat some point it seemed it was the software raid10:06
spaceyand at another point it seemed some conflict with one of the machines10:06
ajmitchthat's worrying10:06
spaceywe had xen from binary install thingy before and it worked on that same machine10:07
spaceybut now we have RAID1 working on another machine with the latest edgy kernel10:07
imbrandonsuperm1, done and done10:07
superm1yea i realized that it would be a mess if edgy didnt have 0.20-fixes patches, considering all the other big distros are already applying them10:08
spaceybut that one machine which worked flawlessly with the xen kernel from xen and with the latest ubuntu kernel had lots of problems with the edgy xen kernel 2.6.17-110:08
superm1and many people (including me) have other distros running in our myth networks ;)10:08
spaceyajmitch: i wanted to file a bug on it, but i don't have much to hold on, except that it went to 100% IOwait after a while.10:09
spaceythat was with and without RAID btw10:09
ajmitchalways with the 2.6.17 edgy kernel?10:10
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superm1imbrandon, Okay well i'm off to bed, cya  later10:12
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spaceyajmitch: yeah the 2.6.17-1-xen010:13
spaceynot with the normal ubuntu kernel10:13
spaceyoh yeah and the -server versions10:14
ajmitchyou could file a bug, but I don't know how easy it'll be to track down10:14
spaceyajmitch: yeah thats the problem10:15
spaceyi could try again with the 2.6.17-5 kernel on the problem machine10:15
spaceybut anyway it seemed like two problems at the same time10:15
ajmitchthere aren't many changes in -510:17
ajmitchusually just build changes10:17
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spaceyhm magic10:22
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imbrandonyou got the list of rebuilds?10:23
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ajmitchI'm doing xfonts stuff for fabbione at the moment10:23
imbrandonahh cool10:24
ajmitchas they break dapper->edgy upgrades10:24
imbrandonthats a feature right ?10:24
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imbrandonyou know i'm beging to really hate my word press theme, its too narrow10:26
zakamehi all10:26
imbrandonheya zakame10:27
zakamehello imbrandon what's up?10:27
ajmitchhey zakame10:27
zakameyo ajmitch ! :D10:27
imbrandonnot alot, getting ready to take a break from the computer for an hour or so then maybe redo my blog theme , if i dont find any bugs to squish between now and then10:27
zakamehmm what's with the blog? did something happen?10:28
imbrandonnothing really, i just noticed when i was writing a howto for the cross compiler stuff that my theme is tooo narrow ( its made for 800x600 )10:28
imbrandonand i realy hate it that narrow10:28
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zakameah, right10:31
ajmitchhi \sh10:32
zakamehello \sh10:33
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spaceyajmitch: ah RAID is still a problem ;-(10:54
ajmitchI didn't expect it would have changed10:55
\shajmitch: tested wine 0.9.22 with diablo2? ;)11:00
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doluuin which package contains lib inet12:36
azeemdoluu: packages.ubuntu.com has a search feature for that12:36
imbrandonwow , north korea set a nuke off this morning12:39
Fujitsuimbrandon, yeah, I know.12:41
Fujitsu'tis great.12:41
FujitsuVery encouraging.12:41
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imbrandonheya Fujitsu12:41
FujitsuHi imbrandon.,12:41
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doluuit seems that there is no networking related headers and libraries12:45
doluuwhich package I should install12:45
doluunet/errno.h for example12:45
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ajmitchdoluu: build-essential, which drags in things like libc6-dev12:46
imbrandonajmitch, you dident get much sleep ( or have you even gone yet ) heh12:46
ajmitchimbrandon: haven't gone yet12:47
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doluustill can't find something useful12:49
ajmitchdoluu: you may find that errno.h should be <sys/errno.h>12:51
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doluui'm trying to build stk - scheme interpreter01:03
doluuits configure looks for net/errno.h and to link to inet01:03
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gesercan someone help me with bug 64363?01:25
UbugtuMalone bug 64363 in uswsusp "Package new debian release" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6436301:25
geserthe problem is that uswsusp is pacakaged differently in Ubuntu and Debian01:25
ajmitchit'd be quite a long shot to get a UVF exception01:28
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AnAntanyone knows the difference between -386 & -generic kernels ?01:59
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lastnodeAnAnt, dapper had -386 and -686, but the performance difference between these two was found to be negligible, so edgy+ has -generic for both these, iirc02:00
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lastnodeAnAnt, in any case, that is a question for #ubuntu02:00
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StevenKlastnode: I thought it was -386 and -generic02:07
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lastnodeStevenK, ok, i stand corrected then.02:09
lastnodeso -generic encompasses -686 -k7 etc?02:09
StevenKYes, I think so.02:09
StevenK-generic is also now replaces -amd64-generic02:09
StevenKlastnode: Yeah, 4 kernels, -386, -generic, -server and -server-bigiron02:11
lastnodethere we go02:11
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sistpotyhi folks03:05
AnAntlionelp: softbeep_0.3-15 is in Debian now03:06
siretarthuhu sistpoty03:06
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sistpotyhi siretart03:06
siretartsistpoty: how are you? how are things going?03:07
sistpotysiretart: I'm fine, thx... have my last exam on wednesday :)03:07
sistpotysiretart: how about you?03:07
lionelpAnAnt: I requested the sync on friday I think03:07
AnAntlionelp: thanks03:07
siretartsistpoty: exam? I thought you were writing your thesis?03:09
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Toadstoolgood morning everybody03:54
FujitsuHi Toadstool.03:55
Toadstoolhey Fujitsu03:55
FujitsuJust in time.03:55
Toadstoolyeah :)03:56
dholbachmotu meeting in 103:59
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jelmerdholbach: Should be fixed as well now.04:35
bddebianHeya gang04:36
Toadstoolhi bddebian04:36
dholbachjelmer: I'll have alook after the meeting04:36
bddebianHeya Toadstool04:36
sistpotyhey bddebian: motu-meeting in #meeting04:37
jelmerdholbach: Thanks04:45
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sistpotyok... gotta learn a little bit more... cya05:07
dholbachwill somebody add the minutes or the irc log to  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings ?05:07
dholbachhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings/Minutes rather05:08
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bddebianHobbsee: Me too :-(05:11
bddebianFrickin' work.  I need to just quit my job :-)05:11
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siretarthmm. missed the 2nd half of the meeting, sorry. boss was in the room05:21
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LaserJockis the meeting over?05:25
StevenKLaserJock: 25 minutes ago05:25
LaserJockdarn it05:26
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dholbachI only started on it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/SRU05:27
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LaserJockdid you guys discuss my item?05:27
siretartLaserJock: the buildfarm idea? that was delayed for the next meeting05:30
dholbachthere were some ideas about it and we thought it best to have a wiki page to outline the process for this05:31
bddebianI thought the best way was for everyone to send me hardware! ;-P05:31
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LaserJockdid somebody volunteer to do minutes?05:34
geserwhat happens with packages removed from debian? it's worth to fix a bug in such a package?05:35
LaserJockok, I gotta get ready for work, I'll be back in ~45 min.05:36
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LaserJockdholbach: 2weeks in proposed? I think the Main SRU only requires 1 week06:19
dholbachLaserJock: it's a proposal06:20
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xerxasmaybe a bit off topic, but can anyone tell me how do I set up an apt source ?06:50
LaserJocka repo?06:50
xerxasnot modifying /etc/apt/sources.list :)06:51
xerxasI already know how to do that06:51
LaserJockkinda depends on how big of a repo you need06:52
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LaserJockreprepro, mini-dinstall, and apt-ftparchive would be apps to look into06:52
xerxasfor now I just wan to play, have my own repo, that I'll maybe share06:53
xerxasbut I have no package yet :)06:53
xerxasthnks LaserJock06:57
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Toadstoolgrah! so many bugs, so little time..08:01
Toadstoolhey LaserJock08:02
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Pierreare some of the maintainers of php, gd or pecl packages around here?08:38
azeemPierre: Ubuntu doesn't have maintainers for specific packages in general08:39
Pierreyou just port them from debian? for all of them?08:39
azeemwell, sync/merge usually08:39
azeemunless issues arise08:39
Pierreah ok, out of luck them :P08:39
superm1your best bet is to look at the changelog and see if there is one person commonly merging, and ping them08:40
Pierrewell, I don't use them for ubuntu or debian, as I do compile myself (as I maintain many php exts anyway), but I got some users requests about zip08:41
claymI was reading the guide to contibuting as an uploader and it mentions "you can use dput with the above config file changes" but it doesn't list what those changes are.  Anyone care to shed some light on that?08:41
Pierreand I'm taking the hand on gd, I was wondering what is the best way to help you to integrate/test new versions08:41
crimsunclaym: the foo_source.changes08:41
claymOh I thought it meant changes to my dput configuration08:42
azeemPierre: the next release is out this month, so we are in bug-fixing mode08:42
claymcrimsun: Thank you for your assistance.08:42
azeemPierre: best to come back in November for integration stuff I guess08:43
Pierreazeem, yes, but it is a general/long term question :)08:43
azeemPierre: well, my advise would be to do the integration in Debian and then merge08:43
azeemor find someboy who is interested long-term, if you do not want to become a contributor yourself08:43
LaserJockclaym: there used to be a config file change08:43
azeem(maybe there is somebody already908:44
LaserJockclaym: but it isn't needed anymore08:44
LaserJockclaym: we should fix that. was that on the wiki page?08:44
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Pierreazeem, ok, I will leave the decision to debian then, to decide when/how to add zip or to use new/decent versions. I sadly do not have the time to maintain packages for my exts or php itself :P08:51
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cbx33isnt aiglx default in edgy?09:08
cbx33i saw a blog post09:08
cbx33totally confused now09:08
LaserJockyes, aiglx is turned on09:08
cbx33LaserJock, when you upgraded09:09
cbx33did you get aiglx?09:09
cbx33or did it keep x?09:09
LaserJockit's built into Xorg09:09
cbx33oh i see09:09
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LaserJockDo it!!09:09
cbx33maybe when I'm not using my pc :p09:11
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sivangLaserJock: so aiglx being default means we can tun all sorts of fedora eye candy on it? or just run COmpiz directly on aiglx?09:12
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LaserJocknot exactly sure09:13
LaserJockI don't use it09:13
LaserJockbut you still need to have a compizish program09:13
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Bazzisivang: you can use eg beryl09:22
Bazzi(or the stock compiz of course)09:22
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sivangBazzi: I installed Beryl from soem repository but it didn't like me :)09:32
sivangBazzi: Well, I did try it on Xgl09:32
Bazziberyl's a bitch at the moment09:33
Bazzibut it's getting better09:33
sivangBazzi: stock compiz should be working OOTB ?09:33
BazziI only tried beryl09:33
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LaserJockhi ajmitch10:09
ajmitchshame I missed the meeting10:11
jelmer'morning(?) ajmitch10:15
zulhey ajmitch10:15
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superm1so  I was curious.  Lets say that you have a bug that was in the release for breezy for some package in universe.  some day later in dapper or edgy days, someone posts a fix, but it won't necessairly be backported back to breezy. does the bug get closed for breezy?10:25
imbrandonsuperm1, it stays open untill its fixed in the latest developemnt release iirc10:33
superm1Ok, so if we have stray bugs sitting around that were fixed by newer releases, would it be worthwhile to mark them rejected?10:34
imbrandonas fixed not rejected10:34
superm1OK then.  i didn't want to just go on a triaging rampage doing something I shouldn't when I came across stuff like that :)10:35
lophytehey all10:37
lophyteajmitch: did you ever finish that list?10:37
ubotuChannel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs10:37
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kristognight *10:46
cbx33why is the wine pacakge not avaialble?10:47
crimsunConf wine (0.9.22-0ubuntu1 Ubuntu:6.10/edgy)10:47
crimsunlooks available to me.10:47
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superm1imbrandon, there is a slight problem with the upload yesterday from the two myth packages.  the plugins and main package built at the same time.  it appears that the plugins was built against the old main package that was up there.  Could you have the plugins rebuild against the version of mythtv that is now in the repository?10:59
imbrandonsuperm1, sure11:00
superm1k thx11:00
FunnyLookinHatimbrandon, are you building off the recent release of mythtv .20 or .19?11:02
FunnyLookinHat(just curious)11:02
FunnyLookinHatok awesome11:02
FunnyLookinHatthanks for all your work  : )11:02
superm1FunnyLookinHat, its actually 0.20 with some of 0.20-fixes pulled back onto it11:04
superm1it matches up with what the other distros have out for packages right now11:04
FunnyLookinHatRight , i noticed that he released a fix shortly after .2011:04
superm1well its actually more beyond that.  that was a fix for mythweb11:05
superm1these fixes cover mythweb,dvd,dvb stuff among lots of other things11:05
superm1stuff not big enough to warrant a new version11:06
FunnyLookinHatoh neat11:06
lophyteI'm gonna be playing with myth for the first time soon11:09
lophytewhat howtos/tutorials do you recommend, superm1?11:09
FunnyLookinHatlophyte, #mythtv-users has a few good FAQs and tutorials in the topic11:10
superm1lophyte, actually I wanted to help write a edgy specific one after edgy was released11:10
superm1how soon you going to start playing around?11:10
superm1i can help you thru the process and record as we go11:10
lophytethe end of this week, probably11:10
FunnyLookinHatI'm going to buy a capture card as soon as edgy is officially released to throw into my media box.   : )11:10
lophytea friend of mine is shipping me a box that I'm gonna use for a myth box11:10
superm1Like maybe this saturday?11:10
lophyteyeah, hopefully.. depends on when I receive it11:11
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lophyteit might be here by friday, or it might be monday11:11
superm1well i'll try to be on IRC or at least google talk throughout the weekend.  i'd be glad to walk you thru the process and record as we go11:11
lophytei'll be using a hauppauge pvr25011:11
superm1okay great.  then we can try out the new ivtv packages in edgy then too11:12
superm1make sure they work :)11:12
lophytethe one thing I'm not so clear on though is integrating it with my satellite receiver11:12
superm1imbrandon, once edgy is released, who should I talk to on backports to make sure that I can keep up with the other distro maintainers fixes branch, and get these into backports after uploading them to the next development version?11:12
lophytemy friend mentioned using an IR blaster but I'm not exactly sure how that works11:12
gesercan someone build mpg123 0.60-3 (from Debian unstable) on i386 and attach the build log to bug 64924?11:13
UbugtuMalone bug 64924 in mpg123 "[UVF Exception]  Sync mpg123 (0.60-3) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6492411:13
superm1lophyte, can I PM you so we dont corwd the channel?11:13
lophytegeser: I'll try it out11:13
superm1lophyte, marked you as away11:13
imbrandonsuperm1, https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-backporters ( i'm on that team too )11:14
superm1ah wonderful11:14
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cbx33sorry guys did someone tell me why I can't install wine in edgy?11:17
cbx33it's in the repo11:17
crimsunyou never mentioned which arch you're using.11:18
crimsunso what's apt-cache policy for it?11:18
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cbx33  Installed: (none)11:18
cbx33  Candidate: (none)11:18
cbx33  Package pin: (not found)11:18
cbx33  Version table:11:18
cbx33     0.9.22-0ubuntu1 100011:18
cbx33        500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Packages11:18
cbx33     0.9.21~winehq0~ubuntu~6.06-1 100011:18
cbx33        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status11:18
cbx33i need version 0.9.2211:18
FunnyLookinHatcbx33, there is a specific repo for bleeding-edge wine builds11:19
cbx330.9.22 is what I need11:19
FunnyLookinHatcbx33, hold on I'll get it for ya11:19
crimsunso now what does apt tell you regarding 0.9.22-0ubuntu1 ?11:19
cbx33and seems to be inthe repo11:19
crimsunapt-get, rather, not apt11:19
cbx33no installation candidate11:20
cbx33E: Package wine has no installation candidate11:20
crimsunright, Candidate: (none)11:20
cbx33ah....it has a source package?11:20
cbx33but no binary11:20
cbx33am i right?11:20
crimsunyour Packages list is fubar11:20
crimsunCandidate: 0.9.22-0ubuntu111:20
cbx33how do i fix?11:21
FunnyLookinHatcbx33, I'm gonna PM you something quick11:21
crimsunwhen did you last update?11:21
cbx33i just upgraded to edgy11:21
geserdoes a minor change in a native package (1.8.23 -> 1.8.24) count as new upstream version which needs an UVF?11:21
cbx33and did an apt-get update11:21
imbrandongeser, yes11:21
crimsungeser: yes, but if it's minor you can just extract the debdiff11:21
crimsun[if you don't want to go the UVFe route] 11:22
imbrandonFunnyLookinHat, the version he needs is in the official repo11:22
FunnyLookinHatimbrandon, so his package lists is just f00bared?11:22
cbx33yup taht;s the version I want11:22
imbrandonFunnyLookinHat, yes11:22
cbx33anyway to fix my repo cache?11:22
cbx33like rebuild them or something?11:23
FunnyLookinHatcbx33, try a sudo apt-get update ?11:23
cbx33i just did that11:23
cbx33it's left over from when I had the wine repo in there I think11:26
cbx33what should I do?11:26
FunnyLookinHatrebuild/clean out your sources.list probably would be a good start11:26
cbx33it's clean11:26
gesercrimsun: the important part is a one-line change (fixes an RC bug in Debian)11:26
FunnyLookinHatbut past that I'm afraid I don't know how to help you.  additionally, you should ask in #ubuntu+1 as that is the support channel11:26
crimsungeser: I've already processed it11:29
crimsun(sorry, thought you were referring to openssl097)11:30
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geserno, I was referring to the change in dbconfig-common 1.8.23 -> 1.8.2411:30
crimsungeser: seems fine; it's up to you whether you want to choose the UVFe route11:31
gesernevertheless thanks for openssl09711:31
cbx33wine is in /var/lib/dpkg/status11:31
cbx33it shouldn't be11:32
cbx33as it's uninstalled right?11:32
crimsunif it's critical enough I don't bother requesting UVFe; I just backport11:32
crimsuncbx33: grep -nH '^Package: wine' /var/lib/dpkg/available11:34
cbx33/var/lib/dpkg/available:15010:Package: wine11:35
crimsunmake sure that points to 0.9.511:36
crimsun(and yes, it should exist in status regardless)11:36
gesercrimsun: see bug 6493511:37
UbugtuMalone bug 64935 in dbconfig-common "[Edgy]  Update to dbconfig-common 1.8.24" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6493511:37
superm1imbrandon, I saw that it just rebuilt, but it looks like it still pulled the old version. Get:126 http://ftpmaster.internal edgy/multiverse libmyth-0.20-dev 0.20-0.0ubuntu4 [253kB] 11:37
superm1When does ftpmaster.internal update itself?11:37
superm1er wait was that just now that it rebuilt... 2006-10-09 04:36:39 CDT ... is that AM/PM or 24hr11:38
crimsunthat's 24hr.11:39
crimsuni.e., 4:36 AM CDT.11:39
superm1yea it would be finishing 20 minutes from now at 4:54, and last i checked my flux capacitor was broken :)11:39
joejaxxi am back :)11:40
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cbx33crimsun, I'm a little lost11:42
cbx33change what to point to 0.9.511:42
crimsuncbx33: no, don't change anything.11:42
cbx33look in the file?11:43
ajmitchgeser: if you want a UVF exception for dbconfig-common, please assign it to motu-uvf11:54
geserajmitch: done11:59
tomveensdoes anyone know https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RodrigoBelem ?12:03
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