[12:50] <Laser_away> hmm, I need a "CVS for svn users" tutorial :/
[12:52] <ajmitch> aka "going back to the stone age"
[12:53] <Laser_away> well, lots of projects still use it :/
[12:53] <Laser_away> I've never had to use it before
[12:54] <Laser_away> I went and ran autogen.sh and ./configure && make && make install
[12:54] <Laser_away> but CVS has no revert
[12:54] <Laser_away> that I can find
[12:56] <Laser_away> do most people checkout the CVS and then copy it to a tmp dir to work in?
[12:57] <zul> heh alot of companies still use cvs
[12:57] <ajmitch> Laser_away: cvs up -C file
[12:58] <Laser_away> well, I'm particularly working with a few Gnome apps
[12:58] <ajmitch> sigh
[12:58] <Laser_away> so I've got 3 CVS checkouts
[12:58] <ajmitch> motu meeting tonight
[12:58] <ajmitch> well, 3AM for me
[12:58] <Laser_away> poor ajmitch
[12:59] <Laser_away> if you can't make it we'll understand for sure
[12:59] <ajmitch> heh
[12:59] <ajmitch> I might try
[12:59] <ajmitch> back later
[12:59] <Laser_away> if you can't though maybe you could email your thoughts on the agenda items
[12:59] <Laser_away> :-)
[01:02] <zul> where is the agenda anyways?
[01:03] <Laser_away> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings
[01:27] <mister_roboto> anyone know how to make a request for new software to be placed in the repositories?
[01:28] <Adri2000> universe is frozen for edgy
[01:29] <mister_roboto> Adri2000: yes, but i'm asking for the next version
[01:29] <Adri2000> ah
[01:29] <mister_roboto> Adri2000: or some time in the future
[01:29] <Adri2000> new ubuntu version?
[01:30] <mister_roboto> the software i'd like to see it "truecrypt".   the current source that you can download from their site doesn't compile on edgy and the .deb is for dapper
[01:30] <mister_roboto> would be nice to see it maintained properly
[01:31] <Adri2000> if you know about packaging you can create a package for edgy+1 (in a few weeks) and send put it on REVU, if you don't, you can request it here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[01:31] <Adri2000> s/send put/put/
[01:32] <mister_roboto> Adri2000: thanks!
[01:32] <Toadstool> mister_roboto: iirc there are licensing issue with truecrypt
[01:32] <Toadstool> *issues
[01:33] <Toadstool> dunno if it has been fixed
[01:33] <mister_roboto> Toadstool: hmmm... no idea
[01:33] <mister_roboto> Toadstool: been using it on windows and it's pretty slick
[02:00] <ajmitch> back
[02:04] <zul> yay!
[04:44] <LaserJock> ajmitch: you up?
[04:45] <ajmitch> LaserJock: it's approximately 4pm
[04:45] <ajmitch> yes, I am awake
[04:46] <LaserJock> what do you think of making a script to send pbuilder jobs to people's machines and getting .debs and build logs back
[04:47] <ajmitch> sounds moderately crackful, but not very hard
[04:47] <LaserJock> I had 2-3 people who wanted to donate CPU time on their computers
[04:47] <ajmitch> I could do it with mini-dinstall & some hooks in a short time
[04:47] <LaserJock> to the MOTU
[04:48] <ajmitch> & I just have 2 systems at home to build on
[04:49] <ajmitch> which shows how short I am on bandwidth :)
[04:49] <LaserJock> hehe
[04:49] <LaserJock> well, I was wondering
[04:49] <LaserJock> maybe we could use tiber
[04:49] <ajmitch> tiber == slow
[04:49] <LaserJock> where MOTUs and Hopefuls would put packages they need built
[04:50] <ajmitch> it could be used for coordinating & sending stuff out
[04:50] <LaserJock> yes, that's what I'm talking about
[04:50] <ajmitch> remember that it's not 100% secure building stuff for others, even inside pbuilder
[04:50] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:51] <LaserJock> I was trying to think of a what to do it
[04:51] <TheMuso> What you guys are discussing is along a similar line to what I was thinking.
[04:51] <LaserJock> perhaps using gpg and having some sort of screening mechanism
[04:51] <LaserJock> TheMuso: yes, I am :-)
[04:52] <LaserJock> the guy that's doing mubuntu
[04:52] <LaserJock> said he would donate some time on his AMD64 4600+
[04:52] <ajmitch> sigh, I've only got a slow old 4200+ :)
[04:53] <TheMuso> Heh. I don't even have a 640bit CPU.
[04:53] <TheMuso> 64-bit even
[04:53] <ajmitch> :)
[04:53] <LaserJock> I've got a stink 1.3 GHz P4 so :p
[04:53] <TheMuso> Well I do in my alpha, but thats not an Ubuntu supported arch.
[04:54] <LaserJock> somebody even mentioned they might be willing to buy a machine for MOTU to use
[04:54] <LaserJock> I put a MOTU Build Farm (TheMuso's stuff) and Donations on the agenda for the MOTU Meeting
[04:55] <TheMuso> Cool.
[04:55] <LaserJock> it might be interesting to consider
[04:55] <LaserJock> I see 2 issues
[04:55] <LaserJock> 1) trust
[04:56] <LaserJock> 2) it's pretty straightforward to build, but what about testing the resulting .debs
[04:56] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Yeah.
[04:57] <LaserJock> for testing we could look into piuparts
[04:57] <TheMuso> If we only had to worry about building them, and some people felt brave enough, they could do what imbrandon is trying to do, and set up cross-compile pbuilders etc.
[04:57] <TheMuso> So fast AMD64/i386 machines could host cross-compilers.
[04:57] <TheMuso> But it still doesn't solve the trust issue.
[04:58] <ajmitch> decent isolation like xen can help
[04:59] <TheMuso> Right.
[05:00] <LaserJock> well, if we seperate uploader from builder (having a source repo on tiber that builders pull from)
[05:00] <LaserJock> then it eliminates trust issues on the builder's end I think
[05:01] <TheMuso> One thing that has to be considered is bandwidth. Some of us are on the other side of the planet.
[05:01] <LaserJock> but on our end
[05:01] <LaserJock> as far as uploading?
[05:01] <TheMuso> Just general passing files around to machines etc.
[05:02] <LaserJock> well
[05:02] <LaserJock> I do that all the time anyway
[05:02] <LaserJock> in the basic case I'm not sure there would need to be a lot of transfer
[05:02] <TheMuso> Passing files between machines over the net back and forth etc?
[05:02] <TheMuso> Yeah I know.
[05:03] <LaserJock> apt-get source, upload to REVU, transfer to my home computer, transfer ...
[05:03] <TheMuso> Perhaps a system where the owner of a donated system can set up just how much bandwidth they have, so they for example need to worry about big source packages.
[05:03] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:03] <TheMuso> And same with CPU speed.
[05:03] <LaserJock> I was thinking the builder could set up certain criteria like that
[05:04] <TheMuso> Slower machines can be set to only build small packages
[05:04] <LaserJock> perhaps even time of day
[05:04] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[05:06] <LaserJock> but I think even having machines to look at FTBFS on amd64 and ppc would be nice
[05:06] <LaserJock> just returning the build log
[05:11] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[05:11] <ajmitch> LaserJock: technically, it's not hard to setup
[05:11] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: are you really here?
[05:12] <ajmitch> she's probably at uni
[05:12] <Hobbsee> hey LaserJock.  indeed.
[05:13] <Hobbsee> and i am at uni, yes
[05:13] <LaserJock> working hard?
[05:13] <ajmitch> LaserJock: eg sbuild should get xen support at some point - so the combination of sbuild+lvm+xen is fairly safe
[05:13] <Hobbsee> yeah...got a couple more assignmetns today :(  why?
[05:13] <ajmitch> or you could just do pbuilder
[05:13] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: what classes are you taking?
[05:14] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: computing (c++), physics, electronics, maths
[05:14] <ajmitch> of course Hobbsee is working hard...
[05:15] <zul_> slacking more like
[05:15] <LaserJock> ah C++, you should teach me
[05:15] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:15] <LaserJock> I want to learn C++
[05:15] <LaserJock> I was hoping to go through life without having to
[05:16] <LaserJock> but alas, the world hasn't converted to Python completely ;-)
[05:17] <LaserJock> aren't most Gnome apps written in C?
[05:17] <TheMuso> LaserJock: afaik yes
[05:17] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder why the ones I'm looking at are C++
[05:17] <LaserJock> I'll have to ask the dev
[05:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:17] <TheMuso> LaserJock: What package?
[05:17] <LaserJock> gnome-chemistry-utils
[05:18] <LaserJock> chemisty-mime-data
[05:18] <TheMuso> What are its deps?
[05:18] <LaserJock> goffice
[05:18] <TheMuso> Does it depend on gtkmm anywhere?
[05:18] <LaserJock> nope
[05:18] <TheMuso> oh ok.
[05:19] <LaserJock> maybe he just likes C++ better
[05:19] <TheMuso> I am surprised that he doesn't use the gtkmm wrappers.
[05:19] <TheMuso> Or he might use gnomemm wrappers.
[05:20] <LaserJock> I think he said he didn't
[05:20] <LaserJock> at least for gtkmm
[05:20] <LaserJock> not sure about gnomemm
[05:20] <TheMuso> Right.
[05:21] <LaserJock> do you know how I could tell from the code?
[05:21] <TheMuso> nope
[05:22] <LaserJock> maybe I can write python bindings for the library
[05:22] <LaserJock> haha, who am I kidding? ;-)
[05:25] <ajmitch> go for it!
[05:26] <LaserJock> oh sweet, Gnome bindings for Fortran :-)
[05:27] <LaserJock> I'm only a raging Ubuntu-holic MOTU, I have no programming supa powers :'(
[05:28] <LaserJock> like, I thought I knew some python, but Amaranth clearly showed me I have no idea how to use Python ;-)
[05:28] <Amaranth> heh
[05:29] <ajmitch> I'm just your everyday hacker
[05:29] <Amaranth> LaserJock: I'm not proud of some of the things I've made Python do. :P
[05:30] <LaserJock> haha
[05:30] <ajmitch> Amaranth: you can get help for that
[05:30] <LaserJock> Amaranth: my wife is a couselor, she might be able to help
[05:30] <Amaranth> Like, say, replacing the class an object is an instance of without recreating the object.
[05:31] <ajmitch> Amaranth: when you're abusing things like that, you know something is wrong
[05:31] <ajmitch> it's not something to be proud of by any means :P
[05:31] <Amaranth> ajmitch: It didn't work out anyway, pygtk doesn't create new-style classes
[05:33] <ajmitch> unfortunate
[05:33] <Amaranth> I believe I was trying to replace an automatically created child of a widget with a subclassed version that had extra methods i needed :P
[05:33] <ajmitch> new-style classes do have their uses
[06:25] <LaserJock> crimsun: got any recommendations for C++ books/resources online
[06:32] <crimsun> bah, just reattached
[06:35] <ajmitch> hello crimsun
[06:36] <crimsun> hi ajmitch
[06:44] <ajmitch> hello Burgundavia
[06:44] <Burgundavia> hey ajmitch
[06:45] <ajmitch> how's boston?
[06:46] <Burgundavia> not bad
[06:46] <Burgundavia> is today a holiday in europe?
[06:46] <ajmitch> no idea
[06:47] <Burgundavia> I think I talked a rh guy into shipping g-a-i on Fedora
[06:47] <ajmitch> great
[06:47] <ajmitch> how was whiprush's session?
[06:47] <Burgundavia> pretty quiet
[06:47] <Burgundavia> it was just me and whiprush
[06:47] <ajmitch> that's sad
[06:48] <ajmitch> I thought there'd be some more interest than that
[06:49] <Burgundavia> yep
[06:49] <Burgundavia> sadly federico couldn't make it
[06:49] <ajmitch> hopefully you'll get a bit more interest at UDS
[06:50] <Burgundavia> if I am there
[06:50] <ajmitch> if?
[06:50] <Burgundavia> work is about to start a huge new project
[06:50] <ajmitch> right
[06:50] <ajmitch> I thought you'd already arranged to get there
[06:51] <Burgundavia> which means I may not be able to go
[06:51] <ajmitch> how annoying
[06:51] <Burgundavia> I should have just booked the tickets and then used them as a fait accompli
[06:51] <ajmitch> a shame I didn't have money for airfares last week
[06:51] <ajmitch> since they've gone up a bit now
[06:52] <Burgundavia> have they gone up?
[06:52] <ajmitch> about $200 NZD
[06:52] <Burgundavia> hmm, that sucks
[06:52] <ajmitch> quite
[06:53] <ajmitch> it may have been manageable beforehand, now it's a bit tighter
[06:57] <ajmitch> 16K open bugs, and RC freeze in a matter of days
[06:57] <ajmitch> we're doing well
[06:57] <chillywilly> anyone know if pengi really means penguin in japanese?
[08:33] <imbrandon_> moins all
[08:34] <imbrandon_> TheMuso: still arround ?
[08:34] <TheMuso> imbrandon_: For a bit yeah.
[08:34] <imbrandon_> cool, i got the cross compilers working and cross packageing
[08:34] <TheMuso> Nice.
[08:34] <imbrandon_> MUCH simpler than the howto i put up before
[08:35] <imbrandon_> i only have one small issue to work out
[08:35] <imbrandon_> but it will be easy i think
[08:35] <imbrandon_> ( the extra libs from non-base packages that are arch specific )
[08:35] <imbrandon_> like xlibs
[08:36] <TheMuso> Right.
[08:36] <imbrandon_> but simple packages ( that dont require extra libs ) work perfect
[08:36] <imbrandon_> the rest should just be a matter of paths
[08:37] <imbrandon_> i think this is gonna work out good for the MOTU farm ( and those that want to do it on their own too )
[08:39] <imbrandon_> i also ran accross a project called dpbuilder ( distribute pbuilder ) so jobs get scheduled accross machines
[08:39] <imbrandon_> but a sigle job still runs on one machine
[08:39] <imbrandon_> so say i setup 4 500mhz ppc machines , you would only have to log into one
[08:40] <imbrandon_> and run dpbuilder on the package
[08:40] <imbrandon_> the package would build localy but say the second motu that logs in
[08:40] <imbrandon_> and runs dpbuiler his package gets scheduled on another machine
[08:40] <imbrandon_> but you both only have to have one login
[08:41] <imbrandon_> all in all its looking promising
[08:43] <TheMuso> imbrandon_: Will you be at the MOTU meeting
[08:43] <imbrandon_> yup
[08:43] <TheMuso> THe motu build farm is on the agenda for that.
[08:43] <imbrandon_> oh nice
[08:44] <TheMuso> So you can talk about that then.
[08:44] <TheMuso> THe biggest concern for some of us is security.
[08:44] <TheMuso> By some of us, I mean others who have talked about it in here.
[08:44] <ajmitch> hi TheMuso, imbrandon_
[08:45] <TheMuso> Hey ajmitch.
[08:45] <imbrandon_> heya ajmitch
[08:45] <imbrandon_> TheMuso: yea i thought about that too, i was looking into setting up chroot jails for each user
[08:45] <imbrandon_> shouldent be hard at all
[08:45] <TheMuso> Anyway, I'll be back in about 35-40 minutes.
[08:45] <imbrandon_> cool
[08:46] <ajmitch> imbrandon_: depends on how much you trust people who will be logging in
[08:48] <imbrandon_> true
[08:49] <imbrandon_> but if they are jailed then
[08:49] <ajmitch> then they probably still have full network access & chroots can be broken
[08:49] <imbrandon_> they shouldent be able to get out ( as long as they cant run setuid  progs )
[08:50] <imbrandon_> hum true, it will have to have a good design and be thought out well
[08:50] <imbrandon_> but i think it will be doable ( just not overnight )
[08:50] <imbrandon_> you ?
[08:50] <ajmitch> sure, it's not hard
[08:51] <imbrandon_> i mean like right now i only let people i trust but still keep security pretty high but still
[08:51] <imbrandon_> i wouldent let the public in as is
[08:51] <imbrandon_> s/public/just any MOTU
[08:51] <imbrandon_> heh
[08:52] <imbrandon_> yea i only have , hmr 4 accounts me, hobbsee , fujitsu , and seveas
[08:53] <Hobbsee> hey yeah, meeting is on tonight.  that's right
[08:54] <imbrandon_> heya Hobbsee
[08:54] <Hobbsee> heya
[08:54] <Hobbsee> hi dholbach
[08:54] <ajmitch> Hobbsee! dholbach!
[08:54] <dholbach> good morning
[08:55] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee, hey imbrandon
[08:55] <Hobbsee> ajmitch!
[08:55] <dholbach> heya ajmitch
[08:55] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, thanks for the reminder!
[08:55] <Fujitsu> I must remember not to go to bed.
[08:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:55] <imbrandon_> heh
[08:55] <imbrandon_> how many hours is it ?
[08:57] <ajmitch> 7 hours
[08:57] <ajmitch> once I get through some more bugs
[08:58] <imbrandon_> heh
[09:11] <imbrandon_> heya elkbuntu
[09:11] <elkbuntu> hi :)
[09:11] <ajmitch> hello elkbuntu
[09:29] <imbrandon_> nixternal: ping
[09:31] <imbrandon_> nixternal: just wanted to poke you about your blog, you do know sun and canonical worked closely togather bringing ubuntu to the niagra chips .... i would have posted this as a comment but the math check is a little fubard ( it told me 7 x 9 isnt 63 )
[09:32] <ajmitch> imbrandon_: he didn't deny that :)
[09:32] <ajmitch> "I highly doubt that Sun will be the last..."
[09:33] <ajmitch> sort of implies that he knew that :)
[09:33] <imbrandon_> hrm i guess, heh
[09:34] <imbrandon_> ahh ok , i see, i was reading that diffrently
[09:48] <superm1> imbrandon_, just wanted to poke about those two LP bugs I had up for mythtv and mythplugins.  did you get a chance to look at either?
[09:48] <imbrandon_> ahh crap no i got busy with gcc stuff and forgot, whats the bug numbers i'll do it now
[09:48] <imbrandon_> sorry
[09:48] <superm1> let me look em' up really quick '
[09:50] <superm1> bug 63486 and bug 74285
[09:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63486 in mythplugins "mythphone causes mythfrontend seg fault on amd64" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63486
[09:50] <superm1> *64285
[09:50] <superm1> bug 64285
[09:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64285 in mythtv "Update to newer debian multimedia revision" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64285
[09:51] <imbrandon_> kk
[10:05] <ajmitch> hi spacey
[10:05] <spacey> hi ajmitch
[10:05] <ajmitch> great
[10:06] <ajmitch> what was the problem?
[10:06] <spacey> wierd =)
[10:06] <spacey> at some point it seemed it was the software raid
[10:06] <spacey> and at another point it seemed some conflict with one of the machines
[10:06] <ajmitch> that's worrying
[10:07] <spacey> we had xen from binary install thingy before and it worked on that same machine
[10:07] <spacey> but now we have RAID1 working on another machine with the latest edgy kernel
[10:07] <imbrandon> superm1, done and done
[10:07] <imbrandon> thanks
[10:07] <superm1> cool
[10:07] <superm1> great
[10:08] <superm1> yea i realized that it would be a mess if edgy didnt have 0.20-fixes patches, considering all the other big distros are already applying them
[10:08] <spacey> but that one machine which worked flawlessly with the xen kernel from xen and with the latest ubuntu kernel had lots of problems with the edgy xen kernel 2.6.17-1
[10:08] <superm1> and many people (including me) have other distros running in our myth networks ;)
[10:09] <spacey> ajmitch: i wanted to file a bug on it, but i don't have much to hold on, except that it went to 100% IOwait after a while.
[10:09] <spacey> that was with and without RAID btw
[10:10] <ajmitch> always with the 2.6.17 edgy kernel?
[10:12] <superm1> imbrandon, Okay well i'm off to bed, cya  later
[10:12] <imbrandon> cya
[10:13] <spacey> ajmitch: yeah the 2.6.17-1-xen0
[10:13] <spacey> not with the normal ubuntu kernel
[10:14] <spacey> oh yeah and the -server versions
[10:14] <ajmitch> odd
[10:14] <ajmitch> you could file a bug, but I don't know how easy it'll be to track down
[10:15] <spacey> ajmitch: yeah thats the problem
[10:15] <spacey> i could try again with the 2.6.17-5 kernel on the problem machine
[10:15] <spacey> but anyway it seemed like two problems at the same time
[10:17] <ajmitch> there aren't many changes in -5
[10:17] <ajmitch> usually just build changes
[10:22] <spacey> hm magic
[10:22] <ajmitch> heh
[10:23] <imbrandon> heh
[10:23] <imbrandon> you got the list of rebuilds?
[10:23] <ajmitch> I'm doing xfonts stuff for fabbione at the moment
[10:24] <imbrandon> ahh cool
[10:24] <ajmitch> as they break dapper->edgy upgrades
[10:24] <imbrandon> nice
[10:24] <imbrandon> lol
[10:24] <imbrandon> thats a feature right ?
[10:24] <imbrandon> heh
[10:24] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:24] <ajmitch> undocumented
[10:24] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:26] <imbrandon> you know i'm beging to really hate my word press theme, its too narrow
[10:26] <zakame> hi all
[10:27] <imbrandon> heya zakame
[10:27] <zakame> hello imbrandon what's up?
[10:27] <ajmitch> hey zakame
[10:27] <zakame> yo ajmitch ! :D
[10:27] <imbrandon> not alot, getting ready to take a break from the computer for an hour or so then maybe redo my blog theme , if i dont find any bugs to squish between now and then
[10:27] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:28] <zakame> hmm what's with the blog? did something happen?
[10:28] <imbrandon> nothing really, i just noticed when i was writing a howto for the cross compiler stuff that my theme is tooo narrow ( its made for 800x600 )
[10:28] <imbrandon> and i realy hate it that narrow
[10:31] <zakame> ah, right
[10:32] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[10:33] <zakame> hello \sh
[10:33] <\sh> moins
[10:46] <sivang> morning!
[10:54] <spacey> ajmitch: ah RAID is still a problem ;-(
[10:55] <ajmitch> I didn't expect it would have changed
[11:00] <\sh> ajmitch: tested wine 0.9.22 with diablo2? ;)
[11:00] <ajmitch> nope
[12:36] <doluu> in which package contains lib inet
[12:36] <azeem> doluu: packages.ubuntu.com has a search feature for that
[12:39] <imbrandon> wow , north korea set a nuke off this morning
[12:39] <imbrandon> wonderfull
[12:41] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, yeah, I know.
[12:41] <Fujitsu> 'tis great.
[12:41] <Fujitsu> Very encouraging.
[12:41] <imbrandon> heya Fujitsu
[12:41] <Fujitsu> Hi imbrandon.,
[12:45] <doluu> it seems that there is no networking related headers and libraries
[12:45] <doluu> which package I should install
[12:45] <doluu> net/errno.h for example
[12:46] <ajmitch> doluu: build-essential, which drags in things like libc6-dev
[12:46] <imbrandon> ajmitch, you dident get much sleep ( or have you even gone yet ) heh
[12:47] <ajmitch> imbrandon: haven't gone yet
[12:47] <imbrandon> ahh
[12:49] <doluu> still can't find something useful
[12:51] <ajmitch> doluu: you may find that errno.h should be <sys/errno.h>
[01:03] <doluu> i'm trying to build stk - scheme interpreter
[01:03] <doluu> its configure looks for net/errno.h and to link to inet
[01:25] <geser> can someone help me with bug 64363?
[01:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64363 in uswsusp "Package new debian release" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64363
[01:25] <geser> the problem is that uswsusp is pacakaged differently in Ubuntu and Debian
[01:28] <ajmitch> it'd be quite a long shot to get a UVF exception
[01:59] <AnAnt> anyone knows the difference between -386 & -generic kernels ?
[02:00] <lastnode> AnAnt, dapper had -386 and -686, but the performance difference between these two was found to be negligible, so edgy+ has -generic for both these, iirc
[02:00] <lastnode> AnAnt, in any case, that is a question for #ubuntu
[02:07] <StevenK> lastnode: I thought it was -386 and -generic
[02:09] <lastnode> StevenK, ok, i stand corrected then.
[02:09] <lastnode> so -generic encompasses -686 -k7 etc?
[02:09] <StevenK> Yes, I think so.
[02:09] <StevenK> -generic is also now replaces -amd64-generic
[02:10] <lastnode> right
[02:11] <StevenK> lastnode: Yeah, 4 kernels, -386, -generic, -server and -server-bigiron
[02:11] <lastnode> there we go
[03:05] <sistpoty> hi folks
[03:06] <AnAnt> lionelp: softbeep_0.3-15 is in Debian now
[03:06] <siretart> huhu sistpoty
[03:06] <sistpoty> hi siretart
[03:07] <siretart> sistpoty: how are you? how are things going?
[03:07] <sistpoty> siretart: I'm fine, thx... have my last exam on wednesday :)
[03:07] <sistpoty> siretart: how about you?
[03:07] <lionelp> AnAnt: I requested the sync on friday I think
[03:07] <AnAnt> lionelp: thanks
[03:09] <siretart> sistpoty: exam? I thought you were writing your thesis?
[03:10] <StevenK> ,
[03:54] <Toadstool> good morning everybody
[03:55] <Fujitsu> Hi Toadstool.
[03:55] <Toadstool> hey Fujitsu
[03:55] <Fujitsu> Just in time.
[03:56] <Toadstool> yeah :)
[03:59] <dholbach> motu meeting in 1
[04:35] <jelmer> dholbach: Should be fixed as well now.
[04:36] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:36] <Toadstool> hi bddebian
[04:36] <dholbach> jelmer: I'll have alook after the meeting
[04:36] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[04:37] <sistpoty> hey bddebian: motu-meeting in #meeting
[04:37] <bddebian> Doh
[04:45] <jelmer> dholbach: Thanks
[05:07] <sistpoty> ok... gotta learn a little bit more... cya
[05:07] <dholbach> will somebody add the minutes or the irc log to  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings ?
[05:08] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings/Minutes rather
[05:11] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Me too :-(
[05:11] <bddebian> Frickin' work.  I need to just quit my job :-)
[05:21] <siretart> hmm. missed the 2nd half of the meeting, sorry. boss was in the room
[05:25] <LaserJock> arggg
[05:25] <LaserJock> is the meeting over?
[05:25] <StevenK> LaserJock: 25 minutes ago
[05:26] <LaserJock> darn it
[05:27] <dholbach> I only started on it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/SRU
[05:27] <LaserJock> did you guys discuss my item?
[05:30] <siretart> LaserJock: the buildfarm idea? that was delayed for the next meeting
[05:31] <dholbach> there were some ideas about it and we thought it best to have a wiki page to outline the process for this
[05:31] <bddebian> I thought the best way was for everyone to send me hardware! ;-P
[05:32] <LaserJock> hah
[05:34] <LaserJock> did somebody volunteer to do minutes?
[05:35] <geser> what happens with packages removed from debian? it's worth to fix a bug in such a package?
[05:36] <LaserJock> ok, I gotta get ready for work, I'll be back in ~45 min.
[06:19] <LaserJock> dholbach: 2weeks in proposed? I think the Main SRU only requires 1 week
[06:20] <dholbach> LaserJock: it's a proposal
[06:20] <LaserJock> sure
[06:50] <xerxas> maybe a bit off topic, but can anyone tell me how do I set up an apt source ?
[06:50] <LaserJock> a repo?
[06:50] <xerxas> yep
[06:51] <xerxas> not modifying /etc/apt/sources.list :)
[06:51] <xerxas> I already know how to do that
[06:52] <LaserJock> kinda depends on how big of a repo you need
[06:52] <LaserJock> reprepro, mini-dinstall, and apt-ftparchive would be apps to look into
[06:53] <xerxas> for now I just wan to play, have my own repo, that I'll maybe share
[06:53] <xerxas> but I have no package yet :)
[06:57] <xerxas> thnks LaserJock
[08:01] <Toadstool> grah! so many bugs, so little time..
[08:01] <LaserJock> heh
[08:02] <Toadstool> hey LaserJock
[08:38] <Pierre> are some of the maintainers of php, gd or pecl packages around here?
[08:39] <azeem> Pierre: Ubuntu doesn't have maintainers for specific packages in general
[08:39] <Pierre> you just port them from debian? for all of them?
[08:39] <Pierre> "just"
[08:39] <azeem> well, sync/merge usually
[08:39] <azeem> unless issues arise
[08:39] <Pierre> ah ok, out of luck them :P
[08:40] <superm1> your best bet is to look at the changelog and see if there is one person commonly merging, and ping them
[08:40] <azeem> right
[08:41] <Pierre> well, I don't use them for ubuntu or debian, as I do compile myself (as I maintain many php exts anyway), but I got some users requests about zip
[08:41] <claym> I was reading the guide to contibuting as an uploader and it mentions "you can use dput with the above config file changes" but it doesn't list what those changes are.  Anyone care to shed some light on that?
[08:41] <Pierre> and I'm taking the hand on gd, I was wondering what is the best way to help you to integrate/test new versions
[08:41] <crimsun> claym: the foo_source.changes
[08:42] <claym> Oh I thought it meant changes to my dput configuration
[08:42] <claym> :)
[08:42] <azeem> Pierre: the next release is out this month, so we are in bug-fixing mode
[08:42] <claym> crimsun: Thank you for your assistance.
[08:43] <azeem> Pierre: best to come back in November for integration stuff I guess
[08:43] <Pierre> azeem, yes, but it is a general/long term question :)
[08:43] <azeem> Pierre: well, my advise would be to do the integration in Debian and then merge
[08:43] <azeem> or find someboy who is interested long-term, if you do not want to become a contributor yourself
[08:43] <LaserJock> claym: there used to be a config file change
[08:44] <azeem> (maybe there is somebody already9
[08:44] <LaserJock> claym: but it isn't needed anymore
[08:44] <LaserJock> claym: we should fix that. was that on the wiki page?
[08:51] <Pierre> azeem, ok, I will leave the decision to debian then, to decide when/how to add zip or to use new/decent versions. I sadly do not have the time to maintain packages for my exts or php itself :P
[09:08] <cbx33> isnt aiglx default in edgy?
[09:08] <cbx33> i saw a blog post
[09:08] <cbx33> totally confused now
[09:08] <LaserJock> yes, aiglx is turned on
[09:09] <cbx33> LaserJock, when you upgraded
[09:09] <cbx33> did you get aiglx?
[09:09] <cbx33> or did it keep x?
[09:09] <LaserJock> it's built into Xorg
[09:09] <cbx33> oh i see
[09:09] <LaserJock> Do it!!
[09:11] <cbx33> hehe
[09:11] <cbx33> maybe when I'm not using my pc :p
[09:12] <sivang> LaserJock: so aiglx being default means we can tun all sorts of fedora eye candy on it? or just run COmpiz directly on aiglx?
[09:13] <LaserJock> not exactly sure
[09:13] <LaserJock> I don't use it
[09:13] <LaserJock> but you still need to have a compizish program
[09:22] <Bazzi> sivang: you can use eg beryl
[09:22] <Bazzi> (or the stock compiz of course)
[09:32] <sivang> Bazzi: I installed Beryl from soem repository but it didn't like me :)
[09:32] <sivang> Bazzi: Well, I did try it on Xgl
[09:33] <Bazzi> beryl's a bitch at the moment
[09:33] <Bazzi> but it's getting better
[09:33] <sivang> Bazzi: stock compiz should be working OOTB ?
[09:33] <Bazzi> I only tried beryl
[10:08] <ajmitch> hi
[10:09] <Plug> mornin'
[10:09] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[10:11] <ajmitch> shame I missed the meeting
[10:15] <jelmer> 'morning(?) ajmitch
[10:15] <zul> hey ajmitch
[10:25] <superm1> so  I was curious.  Lets say that you have a bug that was in the release for breezy for some package in universe.  some day later in dapper or edgy days, someone posts a fix, but it won't necessairly be backported back to breezy. does the bug get closed for breezy?
[10:33] <imbrandon> superm1, it stays open untill its fixed in the latest developemnt release iirc
[10:34] <superm1> Ok, so if we have stray bugs sitting around that were fixed by newer releases, would it be worthwhile to mark them rejected?
[10:34] <imbrandon> as fixed not rejected
[10:35] <superm1> OK then.  i didn't want to just go on a triaging rampage doing something I shouldn't when I came across stuff like that :)
[10:37] <lophyte> hey all
[10:37] <imbrandon> ello
[10:37] <lophyte> ajmitch: did you ever finish that list?
[10:37] <imbrandon> !logs
[10:37] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[10:46] <kristog> night *
[10:47] <cbx33> why is the wine pacakge not avaialble?
[10:47] <crimsun> Conf wine (0.9.22-0ubuntu1 Ubuntu:6.10/edgy)
[10:47] <crimsun> looks available to me.
[10:59] <superm1> imbrandon, there is a slight problem with the upload yesterday from the two myth packages.  the plugins and main package built at the same time.  it appears that the plugins was built against the old main package that was up there.  Could you have the plugins rebuild against the version of mythtv that is now in the repository?
[11:00] <imbrandon> superm1, sure
[11:00] <superm1> k thx
[11:02] <FunnyLookinHat> imbrandon, are you building off the recent release of mythtv .20 or .19?
[11:02] <FunnyLookinHat> (just curious)
[11:02] <imbrandon> .20
[11:02] <FunnyLookinHat> ok awesome
[11:02] <FunnyLookinHat> thanks for all your work  : )
[11:04] <superm1> FunnyLookinHat, its actually 0.20 with some of 0.20-fixes pulled back onto it
[11:04] <superm1> it matches up with what the other distros have out for packages right now
[11:04] <FunnyLookinHat> Right , i noticed that he released a fix shortly after .20
[11:05] <superm1> well its actually more beyond that.  that was a fix for mythweb
[11:05] <superm1> these fixes cover mythweb,dvd,dvb stuff among lots of other things
[11:06] <superm1> stuff not big enough to warrant a new version
[11:06] <FunnyLookinHat> oh neat
[11:09] <lophyte> I'm gonna be playing with myth for the first time soon
[11:09] <lophyte> what howtos/tutorials do you recommend, superm1?
[11:10] <FunnyLookinHat> lophyte, #mythtv-users has a few good FAQs and tutorials in the topic
[11:10] <superm1> lophyte, actually I wanted to help write a edgy specific one after edgy was released
[11:10] <superm1> how soon you going to start playing around?
[11:10] <superm1> i can help you thru the process and record as we go
[11:10] <lophyte> the end of this week, probably
[11:10] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm going to buy a capture card as soon as edgy is officially released to throw into my media box.   : )
[11:10] <lophyte> a friend of mine is shipping me a box that I'm gonna use for a myth box
[11:10] <superm1> Like maybe this saturday?
[11:11] <lophyte> yeah, hopefully.. depends on when I receive it
[11:11] <lophyte> it might be here by friday, or it might be monday
[11:11] <superm1> well i'll try to be on IRC or at least google talk throughout the weekend.  i'd be glad to walk you thru the process and record as we go
[11:11] <lophyte> cool
[11:11] <lophyte> i'll be using a hauppauge pvr250
[11:12] <superm1> okay great.  then we can try out the new ivtv packages in edgy then too
[11:12] <superm1> make sure they work :)
[11:12] <lophyte> awesome
[11:12] <lophyte> the one thing I'm not so clear on though is integrating it with my satellite receiver
[11:12] <superm1> imbrandon, once edgy is released, who should I talk to on backports to make sure that I can keep up with the other distro maintainers fixes branch, and get these into backports after uploading them to the next development version?
[11:12] <lophyte> my friend mentioned using an IR blaster but I'm not exactly sure how that works
[11:13] <geser> can someone build mpg123 0.60-3 (from Debian unstable) on i386 and attach the build log to bug 64924?
[11:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64924 in mpg123 "[UVF Exception]  Sync mpg123 (0.60-3) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64924
[11:13] <superm1> lophyte, can I PM you so we dont corwd the channel?
[11:13] <lophyte> sure
[11:13] <lophyte> geser: I'll try it out
[11:13] <superm1> lophyte, marked you as away
[11:14] <imbrandon> superm1, https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-backporters ( i'm on that team too )
[11:14] <superm1> ah wonderful
[11:17] <cbx33> sorry guys did someone tell me why I can't install wine in edgy?
[11:17] <cbx33> it's in the repo
[11:18] <crimsun> you never mentioned which arch you're using.
[11:18] <cbx33> i386
[11:18] <crimsun> so what's apt-cache policy for it?
[11:18] <cbx33> wine:
[11:18] <cbx33>   Installed: (none)
[11:18] <cbx33>   Candidate: (none)
[11:18] <cbx33>   Package pin: (not found)
[11:18] <cbx33>   Version table:
[11:18] <cbx33>      0.9.22-0ubuntu1 1000
[11:18] <cbx33>         500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Packages
[11:18] <cbx33>      0.9.21~winehq0~ubuntu~6.06-1 1000
[11:18] <cbx33>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[11:18] <cbx33> i need version 0.9.22
[11:19] <FunnyLookinHat> cbx33, there is a specific repo for bleeding-edge wine builds
[11:19] <cbx33> 0.9.22 is what I need
[11:19] <FunnyLookinHat> cbx33, hold on I'll get it for ya
[11:19] <crimsun> so now what does apt tell you regarding 0.9.22-0ubuntu1 ?
[11:19] <cbx33> and seems to be inthe repo
[11:19] <crimsun> apt-get, rather, not apt
[11:20] <cbx33> no installation candidate
[11:20] <cbx33> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[11:20] <crimsun> right, Candidate: (none)
[11:20] <cbx33> ah....it has a source package?
[11:20] <cbx33> but no binary
[11:20] <cbx33> am i right?
[11:20] <crimsun> no
[11:20] <crimsun> your Packages list is fubar
[11:20] <crimsun> Candidate: 0.9.22-0ubuntu1
[11:21] <cbx33> how do i fix?
[11:21] <FunnyLookinHat> cbx33, I'm gonna PM you something quick
[11:21] <crimsun> when did you last update?
[11:21] <cbx33> i just upgraded to edgy
[11:21] <geser> does a minor change in a native package (1.8.23 -> 1.8.24) count as new upstream version which needs an UVF?
[11:21] <cbx33> and did an apt-get update
[11:21] <imbrandon> geser, yes
[11:21] <crimsun> geser: yes, but if it's minor you can just extract the debdiff
[11:22] <crimsun> [if you don't want to go the UVFe route] 
[11:22] <imbrandon> FunnyLookinHat, the version he needs is in the official repo
[11:22] <FunnyLookinHat> imbrandon, so his package lists is just f00bared?
[11:22] <cbx33> yup taht;s the version I want
[11:22] <imbrandon> FunnyLookinHat, yes
[11:22] <cbx33> anyway to fix my repo cache?
[11:23] <cbx33> like rebuild them or something?
[11:23] <FunnyLookinHat> cbx33, try a sudo apt-get update ?
[11:23] <cbx33> i just did that
[11:24] <FunnyLookinHat> err.
[11:26] <cbx33> it's left over from when I had the wine repo in there I think
[11:26] <cbx33> what should I do?
[11:26] <FunnyLookinHat> rebuild/clean out your sources.list probably would be a good start
[11:26] <cbx33> it's clean
[11:26] <geser> crimsun: the important part is a one-line change (fixes an RC bug in Debian)
[11:26] <FunnyLookinHat> but past that I'm afraid I don't know how to help you.  additionally, you should ask in #ubuntu+1 as that is the support channel
[11:29] <crimsun> geser: I've already processed it
[11:30] <crimsun> (sorry, thought you were referring to openssl097)
[11:30] <geser> no, I was referring to the change in dbconfig-common 1.8.23 -> 1.8.24
[11:31] <crimsun> geser: seems fine; it's up to you whether you want to choose the UVFe route
[11:31] <geser> nevertheless thanks for openssl097
[11:31] <cbx33> wine is in /var/lib/dpkg/status
[11:32] <cbx33> it shouldn't be
[11:32] <cbx33> as it's uninstalled right?
[11:32] <crimsun> if it's critical enough I don't bother requesting UVFe; I just backport
[11:34] <crimsun> cbx33: grep -nH '^Package: wine' /var/lib/dpkg/available
[11:35] <cbx33> /var/lib/dpkg/available:15010:Package: wine
[11:36] <crimsun> make sure that points to 0.9.5
[11:36] <crimsun> (and yes, it should exist in status regardless)
[11:37] <geser> crimsun: see bug 64935
[11:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64935 in dbconfig-common "[Edgy]  Update to dbconfig-common 1.8.24" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64935
[11:37] <superm1> imbrandon, I saw that it just rebuilt, but it looks like it still pulled the old version. Get:126 http://ftpmaster.internal edgy/multiverse libmyth-0.20-dev 0.20-0.0ubuntu4 [253kB] 
[11:37] <superm1> When does ftpmaster.internal update itself?
[11:38] <superm1> er wait was that just now that it rebuilt... 2006-10-09 04:36:39 CDT ... is that AM/PM or 24hr
[11:39] <crimsun> that's 24hr.
[11:39] <crimsun> i.e., 4:36 AM CDT.
[11:39] <superm1> yea it would be finishing 20 minutes from now at 4:54, and last i checked my flux capacitor was broken :)
[11:39] <superm1> k
[11:40] <joejaxx> i am back :)
[11:42] <cbx33> crimsun, I'm a little lost
[11:42] <cbx33> change what to point to 0.9.5
[11:42] <crimsun> cbx33: no, don't change anything.
[11:43] <cbx33> oh
[11:43] <cbx33> look in the file?
[11:54] <ajmitch> geser: if you want a UVF exception for dbconfig-common, please assign it to motu-uvf
[11:59] <geser> ajmitch: done
[12:03] <tomveens> does anyone know https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RodrigoBelem ?