[01:51] <nixternal> let me run this by you all, and i am open to any and all comments
[01:52] <nixternal> i am the team lead for ubuntu chicago, a local team
[01:52] <nixternal> we have a guy, 16 or 17, in high school who recently got involved in an incident that was deamed hacking by school officials
[01:52] <nixternal> he is a good kid, and comes from a very good family, he just let curiousity get a hold of him
[01:53] <nixternal> i am not one to turn my back on anyone, and he has been suspended for 10 days and possibly worse circumstances could come out of this
[01:53] <nixternal> his parents and attorney recommend that people who have worked along side him send in emails to the principle highlighting his importance and that he isn't this bad person
[01:53] <nixternal> just so you know..this alleged hack didn't cause any damage
[01:54] <nixternal> he was an accessory more than anything as well...they realized there was an admin account on their computer with no password..the used that account, grabbed the same file, and simply cracked it
[01:55] <nixternal> they didn't use the passwords or anything illegally...but like i said earlier, curiosity caused them to get caught and in trouble...how would you go about helping them out besides backing them from a community standpoint
[01:55] <nixternal> only reason i ask here, is because of the educational environement, and the intelligence that is sitting in here..thanks! sorry for the spam as well ;)
[01:56] <LaserJock> heh
[01:56] <nixternal> ya
[01:57] <nixternal> the school has ousted him and labeled him a hacker...however we know a hacker is a good thing and the school is ignorant to the true definitions of the word...i feel bad for this kid, but at the same time, i told him to leave it well enough alone
[01:58] <LaserJock> well, hopefully he learned something from it
[01:59] <HedgeMage> nixternal: Well, the tack I would take is that this transgression is minor one, the result of a young mind not able to exercise itself to more productive ends, and suggest that he be reprimanded *but* pushed toward something more productive (perhaps an OSS project for school credit or something)
[01:59] <nixternal> im sure he did...kids these days just don't listen worth a crap...i told him the circumstances involved with something like that
[01:59] <HedgeMage> nixternal: that's probably the best you can do
[01:59] <nixternal> ya HedgeMage, and the exact way im thinking about taking
[01:59] <HedgeMage> however, if he's from the Chicago schoools, don't bother, they don't give a damn.
[01:59] <nixternal> there are about 20 or so of us that are going to be emailing the dean concerning this
[01:59] <nixternal> hahah
[01:59] <HedgeMage> I mean, trying can't hurt I guess, but they don't give a damn
[01:59] <nixternal> i know they don't
[01:59] <nixternal> i used to work for them as a contractor
[02:00] <HedgeMage> nixternal: My mom's a teacher south of Chicago... she often gets victims of the chicago school system
[02:00] <nixternal> that lasted until they sent me to a neighborhood i sure as heck didn't belong
[02:02] <nixternal> heh
[02:02] <nixternal> your mom doesn't work for York High in Elmhurst by chance ;)
[02:03] <HedgeMage> Nope, Sandridge School in Lynwood
[02:04] <nixternal> ok, that is south south
[03:13] <sbalneav> Evening all
[08:06] <RichEd> ping nixternal : got the mail ... thanks ... will respond today
[08:13] <nixternal> RichEd: cool, thanks!
[08:20] <juliux> morning
[08:27] <nixternal> morning juliux!
[11:58] <cbx33> ajmitch: ping RichEd 
[11:58] <cbx33> whoops
[12:20] <cbx33> I just had a problem upgrading a 64 bit machine dapper to edgy - X refuses to start
[12:20] <cbx33> it mumbled about not being able to find any fonts.....but apparently that shouldn't cause the issue
[12:20] <cbx33> any ideas?
[12:29] <lucasvo> cbx33: are you sure the update finished without problems?
[12:29] <lucasvo> cbx33: I had a problem, that one installscript was broken and used a wrong update-fonts-dir command.
[12:29] <lucasvo> gsfonts-x11
[12:29] <cbx33> no it finished fine
[12:30] <lucasvo> strange
[12:35] <cbx33> if I run startx it works fine
[12:37] <RichEd> hey cbx33 :)
[12:38] <cbx33> hi RichEd 
[12:38] <cbx33> gimme 2 ecs to switch machine
[12:38] <cbx33> then I have a little something fory ou :p
[12:55] <juliux> ogra, ping
[12:55] <ogra> juliux, pong
[12:56] <juliux> ogra, how good is your evo t20 working?
[12:56] <juliux> better then the rangee one?
[12:57] <ogra> didnt try yet, gimme a minute
[12:57] <juliux> ok
[12:57] <juliux> there are a lot of cheap evo t20 on ebay at the moment
[01:00] <cbx33> mostly ok, apart from losing the ability to run wine
[01:00] <cbx33> and losing my dual core proc - but I've sorted that one
[01:00] <cbx33> my dpkg database is screwed
[01:01] <cbx33> it thinks wine is installed but it's not
[01:01] <cbx33> and it has no installation candidate
[01:01] <cbx33> but anyway....I downloaded the deb, but it still didn't run the program that I needed....so I need to compile from source
[01:01] <cbx33> that worked last time
[01:13] <juliux> ogra_, great
[01:13] <ogra_> but it uses vesa and is very slow
[01:14] <juliux> hm
[01:14] <ogra_> local devices work though :)
[01:14] <juliux> the rangee thinclient are also working with vesa, and i want something faster
[01:14] <bimberi> jono: ping
[01:14] <ogra_> they have identical video hardware iirc
[01:15] <jono> bimberi, ping
[01:15] <bimberi> jono: hi. just wondering if this is ok - http://asdfgh.info/ubuntu/toc.html
[01:15] <juliux> ogra_, that is bad
[01:16] <jono> bimberi, cool, where did you get the content?
[01:16] <bimberi> it's not mine, someone was just asking about it in #ubuntu-au, so i sought out an author :)
[01:17] <bimberi> he wants to print it off but was worried about copyright/licence breach
[01:17] <ogra> juliux, i'll try to force the cyrix driver, but i dont expect it to work, lets see
[01:17] <jono> bimberi, who is it?
[01:18] <bimberi> jono: siccness was the one asking.  I have no idea who owns the site though.
[01:19] <juliux> ogra, good luck
[01:23] <bimberi> D-lined ?
[02:31] <jono> hey
[02:31] <jono> bimberi, thanks for the call :)
[02:31] <bimberi> jono: different server. very sneaky :)
[02:32] <bimberi> jono: np, 'twas nice to have an excuse...
[02:33] <jono> heh :)
[02:38] <cbx33> hey jono 
[02:38] <jono> hey
[02:38] <jono> http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=779
[02:39] <cbx33> hehehe oh dear
[02:40] <bimberi> ;p
[02:40] <cbx33> heheh
[02:42] <jono> heh
[02:43] <cbx33> jono: we record the first segment of youth lug radio tomorrow
[02:43] <cbx33> "How would free software affect education"
[02:43] <jono> cbx33, cool :)
[02:47] <cbx33> yeh should be good
[02:47] <cbx33> what do you record in now?
[02:47] <cbx33> jokosher?
[02:58] <willvdl> some teachers in Limpopo where very interested in audacity
[03:02] <cbx33> yeh?
[03:03] <willvdl> a quick demo to some teachers of what is possible
[03:03] <willvdl> they loved it. especially when you speed it up and everyone sounds like a hamster
[03:04] <cbx33> willvdl: you should show them ardour...heheh with the jog/shuffle wheel
[03:04] <cbx33> speed up and slow down in real time
[03:05] <willvdl> oh yeah. We recorded the national anthem, popped it onto a CD and played it back all in a matter of minutes
[03:06] <willvdl> this doesn't sound too fantastic I'm sure but considering where this school was located, it is quite mind-boggling
[03:08] <cbx33> hehe
[03:08] <cbx33> cool
[03:45] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:51] <Amaranth> morning
[03:51] <Amaranth> west coast?
[03:51] <cbx33> anyone ever use pascal on linux?
[03:51] <cbx33> someone wants to show me some code he wrote
[03:51] <Amaranth> *shudder*
[03:52] <cbx33> but I can't get the crt library to work
[03:57] <sbalneav> Pascal?
[03:57] <sbalneav> Yeesh.
[03:57] <sbalneav> What's the code about?
[04:00] <cbx33> nothing major
[04:00] <cbx33> crappy little calculator
[04:01] <cbx33> I finished it
[04:01] <cbx33> it's ok
[04:16] <sbalneav> Morning ogra!!!
[04:16] <ogra> hey
[04:17] <ogra> afternoon :)
[04:17] <sbalneav> Evening too!
[04:17] <ogra> heh, only 4pm :)
[04:17] <ogra> and i'll do a short day today ... my exhaustion pipe is waiting for more wielding ;)
[04:18] <sbalneav> Things dropping down to a more sane level?
[04:18] <ogra> yeah
[04:18] <sbalneav> Hey, that one person on ubuntu-devel, the RDSP thing, he needs to specify acpi=off on the boot, but I can't remember how to specify boot commands on the command line for the live cd.
[04:18] <ogra> now that the solar thingie is done (plumbing finished yesterday) ... i can finally play with all these new tools for the car ;)
[04:19] <sbalneav> You got a pointer to that, so I can reply to him?
[04:19] <ogra> no, but i think you just hit F6
[04:19] <ogra> and append acpi=off there
[04:19] <ogra> then hit enter ;)
[04:20] <ogra> nasty bug ... seems its caused by an asian locale setting 
[04:20] <ogra> but the guy behind the bug is very intresting, he does exciting ldap7kerberos/AD setups
[04:21] <ogra> *ldap/kerberos/AD
[04:21] <sbalneav> Exciting? :)
[04:22] <ogra> yeah, he offers a ltsp/ldap/kerberos/freebsd setup on a preconfigured iso
[04:23] <ogra> the host is freebsd ... the clients have a linux chroot
[04:26] <ogra> sbalneav, do you know if jammcq made his final decision where we'll have BTS now ?
[04:30] <ogra> sbalneav, also, i added a new default lts.conf and lts-parameters.txt to the ltsp-client package, they get installed in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples in the chroot
[04:30] <ogra> i'll try to keep the lts-parameters.txt file up to date
[04:31] <sbalneav> Cool, I'm working on the manuals.
[04:33] <sbalneav> I think he's leaning towards San-Fransisco.  The nice thing is with that, we'll go there thursday night, spend Friday and Saturday hacking, then just pile in a car and drive down to Mountain view (2 hour drive) on Sunday.
[04:33] <sbalneav> So, I think it should be cool.
[04:35] <ogra> sounds great 
[04:35] <ogra> but he should make up his mind soon, i need to book my flights :)
[04:37] <sbalneav> Ping him in #ltsp
[04:37] <sbalneav> I think he's working on it today.
[04:45] <sbalneav> brb, reboot required after package update
[04:50] <sbalneav> Back again
[05:23] <Petaris> Hi all
[05:24] <Petaris> ogra: Has there been any progress with the network authentication bits?
[05:24] <ogra> ajmitch was working on it, i dont think he finished, but ask him in -devel
[05:25] <ogra> i plan to attack the server side in edgy+1 though
[05:25] <Petaris> ok
[05:25] <Petaris> I have issues on and off with the sadms route
[05:26] <Petaris> I will ask over it -devel but he is rarely there when I am
[05:26] <ogra> he is in .nz timezone ...
[05:26] <Petaris> yeah, I know
[05:27] <Petaris> That is why he is rarely there when I am
[05:27] <Petaris> I'm also have odd issues with my users home dir mounts
[05:29] <Petaris> I am using LinNeighborhood for each user, but I am going to try to see if I can use Services for Unix to push an NFS share from the win2k server
[05:29] <Petaris> that might fix the issue
[05:33] <lucasvo> can anyone suggest a good ide for pytho & webdevelopment?
[05:38] <sbalneav> lucasvo: errrm... terminal + vi? :)
[05:38] <lucasvo> sbalneav: yes, I am currently using this setup, but I don't know if there is anything better
[05:38] <ogra> if you like vi, use pida
[05:38] <sbalneav> pida?
[05:39] <ogra> apt-cache show pida
[05:39] <Petaris> lucasvo, I use jEdit for all my webdev stuff
[05:39] <Petaris> http://www.jedit.org/
[05:39] <sbalneav> cool
[05:40] <highvoltage> wow, pida is nice
[05:41] <lucasvo> sbalneav: you see, the question was worth asking :)
[05:41] <Petaris> ogra: to your knowladge has anyone ever tried to authenticat via an nis server running on a win2k server?
[05:42] <Petaris> the NIS server is supplied with Services for Unix
[05:42] <sbalneav> lucasvo: Oh, sure, it's worth asking, I was simply telling you what *I* use :)
[05:43] <sbalneav> I've been a Unix user since 1984
[05:43] <lucasvo> sbalneav: my first days on unix, it was over an ssh shell...
[05:44] <lucasvo> so also cli only
[05:44] <lucasvo> pida looks awesome
[05:46] <ogra> note that pida wasnt really ready when i tried it out ast the beginning of dapper ... but thats some time ago
[05:47] <highvoltage> sbalneav: wow
[05:47] <sbalneav> highvoltage: I told you this story in France, didn't I?
[05:48] <highvoltage> sbalneav: you gave me a lot of history, but I can't remember that part
[05:48] <sbalneav> Heck, when I started using the internet, they'd JUST stopped using FTP for mail transfer, as SMTP had just been developed the year before.
[05:48] <sbalneav> I'm 38 years old, and an internet methusela already.
[05:48] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I don't think you actually gave me much history about yourself, only from when you started working at legalaid
[05:48] <sbalneav> Started using unix in High School. :)
[05:49] <sbalneav> Meh, I'm pretty boring :)
[05:49] <highvoltage> ftp for mail transfer? lol
[05:49] <sbalneav> Heck, I still remember UUCP mail and bangpaths
[05:51] <highvoltage> sbalneav: we still use uucp in tuxlabs :)
[05:51] <sbalneav> For anyone else interested:
[05:51] <sbalneav> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/B/bang-path.html
[05:53] <sbalneav> You know why ! is called a bang, right?
[05:55] <sbalneav> on old IBM card punches, coding a ! actually punched out all the holes for the row.  Producing the loudest noise.
[06:17] <lucasvo> how can I print out an object of a multivaluedict?
[06:22] <sbalneav> lucasvo: What, they key has a list as a value?
[06:22] <lucasvo> also wenn ich eifach print request.POST mach chunnt: <MultiValueDict: {'{"params":[2] ,"method":"delete", "id":"1"}':[''] }
[06:22] <lucasvo> sbalneav: ^- this is the dictionary
[06:23] <lucasvo> now, I'd like to make something like if(method=="delete") 
[06:23] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[06:23] <lucasvo> hi bddebian 
[06:23] <bddebian> Hello lucasvo
[06:24] <tomveens> hello
[06:27] <sbalneav> lucasvo: Well, for dicts, maybe an .iterkeys() and format from that?
[06:34] <LaserJock> sbalneav: interesting programming history there :-)
[06:35] <sbalneav> :)
[06:35] <LaserJock> I think my boss used punch cards early in his academic career
[06:36] <LaserJock> I got into computers when the 5" floppies were going out of style :/
[06:51] <LaserJock> RichEd: you still awake?
[08:07] <cbx33> ping RichEd 
[08:17] <cbx33> ping ogra dude !
[09:18] <cbx33> HedgeMage, 
[09:18] <cbx33> w00t
[09:18] <cbx33> HedgeMage, I just submitted something to the handbook
[09:18] <cbx33> did you manage to find the blurb stuff yet?
[09:19] <cbx33> Amaranth, did I see you're involved with beryl mirrors?
[09:19] <Amaranth> nope
[09:19] <Amaranth> i used to make daily snapshot packages
[09:19] <cbx33> oh np
[09:19] <cbx33> ahhh
[09:19] <HedgeMage> cbx33: just got an email from lisa, and I'm editing now and about to send it off :)
[09:19] <cbx33> nice
[09:19] <cbx33> check out the SCP docs when you get a sec
[09:19] <Amaranth> btw, no school for the rest of the week
[09:19] <Amaranth> yay
[09:20] <Amaranth> going to spend some time mellowing out today, tomorrow is coding time :)
[09:21] <cbx33> willow?
[09:22] <Amaranth> hopefully
[09:24] <cbx33> w00t
[10:33] <lucasvo> ogra: can I ask you something about pida?
[10:33] <lucasvo> ogra: how can I edit the todos?
[10:39] <cbx33> hey grahamldlw 
[10:39] <grahamldlw> heyy
[10:39] <cbx33> it's pete here ;)
[10:39] <cbx33> so you finally made it
[10:39] <grahamldlw> i guessed
[10:39] <grahamldlw> yeh but as soon as i turn this off i gotta do it all over again
[10:39] <cbx33> yup
[10:39] <grahamldlw> it's good practive fro the sudo apt-get install etc
[10:39] <cbx33> but now you know what you gotta go
[10:39] <cbx33> indeed
[10:40] <grahamldlw> yep i certainly do and thinking of that i shud have wrote it down lol
[10:40] <cbx33> well this channel is where all the people who are involved in edubuntu hang out
[10:40] <grahamldlw> educational unbuntu?
[10:40] <cbx33> yup
[10:40] <grahamldlw> can u talk me thru this install thing if i get up the install thing
[10:41] <grahamldlw> technical termology u see
[10:41] <cbx33> eh?
[10:41] <cbx33> install thing?
[10:41] <grahamldlw> to acctually install it permanently
[10:42] <cbx33> ahh....
[10:42] <grahamldlw> i got 7 gb free and regardless of what i delete i cant find anythin more to get rid of
[10:42] <cbx33> well....what we could do is install it tomorrow so you can see how to do it
[10:42] <cbx33> heeh
[10:42] <grahamldlw> i have 30 gigabytes worth of stuff somewhere not doing anything not rele being used?
[10:42] <cbx33> right
[10:42] <grahamldlw> umm i get all of it apart from the partition thing
[10:42] <cbx33> well you gotta find that out first :p
[10:43] <grahamldlw> might be a key time to wipe all and start again, which i wud be inclined to do if i didnt have such important documents on here, and if i didnt have so much work set each day
[10:43] <cbx33> well....back them up
[10:44] <grahamldlw> im gonna stick them on that little hard drive thing i had/mp3 player
[10:44] <grahamldlw> as soon as i get them i can delete all, i just dont wanna like wipe windows tho
[10:44] <grahamldlw> or delete somethin i shudent, like last time wen i needed a new pc
[10:45] <cbx33> ok...
[10:46] <grahamldlw> it's just reading the disks
[10:46] <grahamldlw> it has like 3 different types of file system
[10:46] <cbx33> ok....right
[10:46] <cbx33> we'll have to talk about this tomorrow
[10:46] <grahamldlw> ok
[10:46] <cbx33> I'm not gonna have time to go through it all now
[10:46] <cbx33> infact it'll make a good section on youth lug radio
[10:46] <grahamldlw> lol
[10:46] <grahamldlw> how long u been doin that for?
[10:46] <grahamldlw> i wasnt even informed
[10:47] <cbx33> well
[10:47] <cbx33> it's the first recording session tomorrow
[10:47] <cbx33> hang on
[10:47] <grahamldlw> ok?
[10:48] <cbx33> ian hadaway is coming in
[10:48] <grahamldlw> how do you know that?
[10:48] <cbx33> I'm just talking to him
[10:48] <grahamldlw> ohh
[10:48] <cbx33> he should be joining
[10:48] <grahamldlw> ok
[10:51] <cbx33> grahamldlw, join #youth-lug too
[10:52] <cbx33> hey Sonofaq 
[10:53] <Sonofaq> hiya
[10:53] <cbx33> grahamldlw, is trying to install ubuntu :p
[10:53] <Sonofaq> lol
[10:53] <cbx33> Sonofaq, you #youth-lug
[10:53] <cbx33> join even
[10:53] <cbx33> :p
[10:53] <Sonofaq> is there a channel now
[10:54] <cbx33> well not offocicial yet
[10:54] <cbx33> but join it
[10:54] <cbx33> :p
[10:54] <Sonofaq> cool
[10:54] <LaserJock> cbx33: sounding a little "cave man" there
[10:54] <cbx33> LaserJock, who me?
[10:54] <Sonofaq> hehe
[10:55] <LaserJock> cbx33: "You.. #youth-lug ... join ... now"
[10:55] <cbx33> heheh
[10:55] <cbx33> or I'll club you with a bat 
[10:55] <LaserJock> cbx33: "Me... Pete"
[10:56] <cbx33> :p
[11:06] <grahamldlw> ubuntu is very confusing :(
[11:17] <LaserJock> grahamldlw: it is?
[11:18] <grahamldlw> yep!
[11:18] <grahamldlw> to me anyway!
[11:19] <grahamldlw> i've never used nor seen any type of linux/ubuntu, and only just started programming :D
[11:19] <LaserJock> what part?
[11:19] <grahamldlw> installing!
[11:19] <LaserJock> ahyes installing can be fun
[11:20] <grahamldlw> fun? FUN!!!! it took me an hour to get this irc thing working with help from cbx33
[11:22] <LaserJock> depending on your hardware, installing can be very quick and painless.... or not :/
[11:23] <LaserJock> I'm sorry you are having a struggle with it :(
[11:27] <grahamldlw> for a start i only have 5-6 GB of free space avaliable because i cant find where my windwos portion of the hardrive is eating it
[11:27] <grahamldlw> secondly, which is a new one, my cpu is almost always running at 100% capacity, whereas b4 i cud have any number of thigns open and it wudent go above 10%
[12:03] <keltorsori> hello
[12:03] <keltorsori> anyone out there today?
[12:03] <tomveens> hello
[12:03] <keltorsori> i may have found a bug in the Edgy LTSP implementation, need to figure out who to contact
[12:04] <keltorsori> (edubuntu and xubuntu flavors)
[12:04] <LaserJock> keltorsori: you can report the bug on Launchpad
[12:04] <keltorsori> will do
[12:04] <keltorsori> it's a bug that was reported in the Xubuntu distro last cycle (6.06) and was listed as fixed
[12:04] <LaserJock> ogra is the one that will look at it
[12:05] <keltorsori> basically on all machines I'm trying to install Knot 3 or Beta (or even new dailies), install is failing at Build chroot (gets to 50%, grinds away and fails)
[12:05] <ogra> hmm, beta should work ... 
[12:05] <keltorsori> any ideas where I could find my logs (if there are any) that might tell me or anyone exactly whats failing?
[12:06] <keltorsori> just d/l'd it again, tried on 3 different systems (all very recent)
[12:06] <ogra> file it against ltsp and attach /var/log/installer/syslog (make it world readable first)
[12:06] <ogra> you can also immediately look on console4 if the error shows up
[12:06] <ogra> (alt-F4)
[12:07] <keltorsori> i'll do that now
[12:07] <ogra> thanks
[12:09] <cyberhell86> hello i gotta question....
[12:11] <keltorsori> btw, looks like another person was having the same issue with 6.06.1 ed: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2006-September/000300.html
[12:11] <keltorsori> although 6.06.1 installs fine for me (just no edgy releases)
[12:11] <cyberhell86> i gotta question.. i don't wanna risk my Windows.. so i want to install ubuntu on my ipod do u think it's a good idea? because i'm running it from the cd and it's really slow :S
[12:12] <keltorsori> booting from USB on pc's never a great idea
[12:12] <ogra> keltorsori, try to use another videomode during install (select with F4 at the Cd bootscreen iirc)
[12:13] <keltorsori> i'll try that as well (d/l'ing a new iso right now i tossed the other ones)
[12:13] <cyberhell86> uhmmm.. but i just got a gateway laptop do u think i'm gonna have any problem with the drivers?
[12:13] <keltorsori> shouldn't, but i'd run the chipset through google and see what's supported
[12:13] <keltorsori> wireless is always the sticky problem
[12:13] <ogra> cyberhell86, try it with the liveCD :) its identical to the installed system
[12:13] <keltorsori> even better idea :)
[12:14] <ogra> so if your HW works there, it will work as well with the install
[12:15] <keltorsori> ogra, do you know how the xubuntu guys are integrating LTSP? is it basically the same as edubuntu or are they rolling their own?
[12:15] <cyberhell86> uhmm.. yes it works... i have the same problem of the wireless... but another problem.. is that i use my cellphone to get on internet.. :S so i don't know if i'm gonna be able to do the same thing with ubuntu
[12:16] <keltorsori> cyberhell86: some people have been successful with phone as modem
[12:16] <keltorsori> hold a sec and i'll pull the discussion
[12:16] <ogra> keltorsori, its both identical ... the installer bit is a part of ltsp not of xubuntu or edubuntu
[12:17] <keltorsori> cyberhell86: here's file usage http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75978&highlight=bluetooth
[12:17] <keltorsori> and dialup: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothDialup