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| Tonio_ | Riddell: kubuntu-meta with kipi-plugins uploade | 01:00 |
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| Tonio_ | +d | 01:00 |
| Riddell | ok | 01:01 |
| Riddell | which reminds me I need to fix k-d-s for accessibility | 01:01 |
| Tonio_ | ah, what are the changes you'll provide ? | 01:05 |
| Riddell | spelling fixes | 01:06 |
| imbrandon | hum what provides /usr/local/include/qt4/Qt/qobject.h | 01:06 |
| Riddell | nothing, it's in /usr/local | 01:07 |
| imbrandon | well the qt4 headers | 01:08 |
| imbrandon | checking for Qt headers in default path... trying different pathes | 01:08 |
| imbrandon | checking for /usr/local/include/qt4/Qt/qobject.h... not found | 01:08 |
| imbrandon | ... | 01:08 |
| imbrandon | qt4-dev ? | 01:08 |
| nuku | more libqt4-dev i guess | 01:09 |
| Riddell | nothing will be in /usr/local | 01:11 |
| Riddell | really | 01:11 |
| Riddell | if it depends on being in /usr/local is broken | 01:11 |
| imbrandon | yea it was looking there becouse i dident have it in /usr/lib/qt4 | 01:11 |
| imbrandon | i installed libqt4-dev and it foudn them | 01:12 |
| imbrandon | found* | 01:12 |
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| imbrandon | oh wow this sucks | 01:21 |
| === imbrandon go's back to python-kde | ||
| Riddell | imbrandon: what are you doing with python-kde? | 01:23 |
| imbrandon | well i /was/ going to make a dist-upgrader in php-qt becouse i already know php very well , but the php-qt segfaults too much SO i'm looking at taclking it in python | 01:24 |
| imbrandon | since that seems to be the thing now-a-days | 01:24 |
| imbrandon | but my python isnt all that great , thus trying php-qt first | 01:25 |
| Riddell | err, the blocker with upgrade tool is the lack of embedded konsole in pykde | 01:26 |
| imbrandon | whatcha think ? | 01:26 |
| Riddell | best help would be packaging the latest pykde to see if the embedded konsole works | 01:26 |
| Riddell | it needs a switch passed to it to turn on embedded konsole | 01:27 |
| imbrandon | ok will do | 01:27 |
| imbrandon | i thought the new one was already in | 01:27 |
| imbrandon | kk | 01:27 |
| Riddell | no | 01:27 |
| imbrandon | pykde3 right ( not 4 ) | 01:27 |
| nuku | may i suggest ruby? libkonsolepart works fine there with korundum ;-) | 01:29 |
| imbrandon | nuku, well i know -0- ruby tbh, leaste i know c++ well ( too long to develop ) php well ( php-qt sucks ) and python a little | 01:30 |
| imbrandon | that and all the python libs are already in the distro ;) | 01:30 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: yes, pykde3 | 01:31 |
| Riddell | nuku: no, it's written in python | 01:31 |
| nuku | ok python kde binding beeing in main is an argument :) | 01:32 |
| imbrandon | ahh yea ok, got the new version , packaing it up now, seems we had a svn snapshot before | 01:32 |
| Riddell | it being written in python is the larger argument | 01:32 |
| nuku | no point in starting a discussion there anyway as it seem :) | 01:33 |
| nuku | just stroked through my mind that korundum is really nice :) | 01:34 |
| imbrandon | yea i checked it out when the markey said something but the thought of learning a new lang isnt high on my list atm ;) | 01:35 |
| imbrandon | nuku, ^ | 01:35 |
| nuku | yeah so it will be :) | 01:35 |
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| imbrandon | ugh python-kde3 ( even the old one ) is ftbs | 02:20 |
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| Tonio_ | re | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: did you remove kde 3.5.5 from your repo ? | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | I have to patch ark since the ark-part desktop file is broken... | 02:57 |
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| jjesse | hux | 03:14 |
| jjesse | quick question, in the logout menu does hibernate only show in laptop users or does it show for everyone in edgy | 03:14 |
| freeflying | jjesse: to me, hibernate can't show on my ibook, but has on my desktop computer | 03:16 |
| imbrandon_ | Tonio_: no its moved to not-kde-355 since someone leaked it | 03:21 |
| jjesse | freeflying: thanks for answering my question | 03:21 |
| imbrandon_ | jjesse: it only shows on computers that support it afaik | 03:21 |
| jjesse | imbrandon_: thanks | 03:21 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandonwhat 'leaked' means ? | 03:22 |
| jjesse | what was leaked? | 03:22 |
| imbrandon_ | Tonio_: someone told the public about the url | 03:26 |
| Tonio_ | ah okay | 03:26 |
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| jjesse | join #ichthuzx | 04:03 |
| jjesse | doh | 04:03 |
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| freeflying | kde bug #391672 | 05:01 |
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| Hobbsee | what the... | 05:56 |
| Hobbsee | my kate is crashing like crazy. | 05:56 |
| crimsun | well if you stopped poking it... | 05:57 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: your kate is krashing liKe krazy? | 05:57 |
| Hobbsee | and it's crashed again... | 05:57 |
| Hobbsee | look, i'm just trying to open the files :P | 05:58 |
| jdong | are they gnome files... because there's this new feature in kate.... j/k ;) | 05:58 |
| Hobbsee | no, they're standard c++ :P | 05:59 |
| Hobbsee | http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/ | 05:59 |
| Hobbsee | ie http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/katebacktrace and http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/katebacktrace2 | 05:59 |
| jdong | did you do a recent upgrade without logout/login? | 05:59 |
| Hobbsee | k-d-s? | 05:59 |
| jdong | hmm, that shouldn't do it... | 05:59 |
| jdong | i can't get my kate to crash on 3.5.5 | 06:00 |
| jdong | hmm | 06:00 |
| === jdong looks for some C files | ||
| Hobbsee | and 3 | 06:01 |
| Hobbsee | they're c++ files | 06:01 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: http://online.mq.edu.au/pub/COMP125/assignments/ass/IPlist.h is one | 06:01 |
| Hobbsee | and also IPlist.cpp, which has the same thing in it | 06:01 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: both opened just fine in kate | 06:01 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: try ctrl+a, ctrl+s, ctrl+c | 06:02 |
| Hobbsee | i've had it crashing doing the first two | 06:02 |
| Hobbsee | just hitting ctrl+s does it | 06:02 |
| jdong | ah, got it! | 06:02 |
| jdong | took all three, plus a mouse click | 06:02 |
| Hobbsee | sometimes ctrl+a, and a click | 06:02 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh...is that it | 06:02 |
| jdong | so Hobbsee, you're not crazy | 06:02 |
| jdong | the click does it | 06:03 |
| jdong | when everything is selected and you click | 06:03 |
| jdong | similar traceback | 06:03 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 06:03 |
| Hobbsee | there's a backtrace3 there too | 06:03 |
| jdong | hmm | 06:03 |
| jdong | perhaps a 3.5.5 regression | 06:03 |
| Hobbsee | what's weird is that it seems to only be those files. | 06:03 |
| jdong | yeah, I'm trying some other files | 06:04 |
| jdong | and it's not crashing | 06:04 |
| Hobbsee | that's really weird | 06:05 |
| jdong | well, it's easily reproducable with those files | 06:05 |
| jdong | :-/ | 06:05 |
| jdong | either way, it's really late for me... I should really be sleeping | 06:06 |
| jdong | or I'll be really groggy tomorrow | 06:06 |
| jdong | which generally prompts me to throw fits at everyone in #u-d and #k-d | 06:06 |
| jdong | expecially since bug 57872 hasn't been fixed yet HINT HINT HINT | 06:06 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 57872 in gnome-power "regression: pressing power button no longer brings up logout dialog" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/57872 | 06:06 |
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| Hobbsee | jdong: how's that abug? :P | 06:07 |
| lnxkde | jdong : KDE 3.5.5 out? | 06:08 |
| jdong | lnxkde: developers only | 06:08 |
| jdong | lnxkde: not really intended for general usage | 06:08 |
| lnxkde | nice updates on it? | 06:08 |
| jdong | lnxkde: bugfixes | 06:08 |
| jdong | most are unnoticeable | 06:08 |
| lnxkde | :) | 06:08 |
| jdong | it's nothing to jump all over, honestly | 06:09 |
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| orkid__ | keeping dreaming | 06:19 |
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| Hobbsee | GAHHHHHHH! | 10:10 |
| Hobbsee | both kate *and* kwrite are unusable due to this bug. | 10:10 |
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| crimsun | Hobbsee: you love emacs anyhow. | 10:32 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: heh. no, i want to copy and paste text with ease. | 10:32 |
| Hobbsee | hey cool, there is a patch for it | 10:32 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ping? | 10:33 |
| Tm_T | Hobbsee: yeah, though that crashing is weird, doesn't happen with kate if you select first the file from sidebar | 10:33 |
| Tm_T | atleast didn't crash here after that routine | 10:33 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&m=116022418923427&w=2 | 10:33 |
| Tm_T | thanks, I'll read that | 10:34 |
| Tm_T | hmm | 10:34 |
| Tm_T | interesting | 10:34 |
| Hobbsee | which means i'm going to poke for it to be fixed, before i go mad. | 10:35 |
| Tm_T | Hobbsee: ok, can you try if what I just explained helps as temporary? | 10:35 |
| Tm_T | or is that something different | 10:35 |
| Tm_T | I used Kate all yesterday night | 10:36 |
| Tm_T | with no sigle crash | 10:36 |
| Tm_T | sidebar = file list | 10:38 |
| Tm_T | I'm not at home so can't help more | 10:38 |
| === Hobbsee checks | ||
| Tm_T | thanks | 10:40 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: well, if they've found the crash problem, and fixed it, that means that we can | 10:40 |
| Tm_T | yes, but I mean as temporary workaround so you don't need to be without Katepart | 10:41 |
| Tm_T | this is workaround for you until it's repackaged | 10:41 |
| Tm_T | to avoid ripping pants etc ;) | 10:41 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: at the moment, i cant even select the file nwo, without it crashing. | 10:42 |
| Tm_T | wow | 10:42 |
| Tm_T | I wonder what's different in my system | 10:42 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: it only happens with certain files | 10:42 |
| Tm_T | I see | 10:43 |
| Tm_T | oh well, you can't win all the time ;) | 10:43 |
| Tm_T | I'll test it more when I get home | 10:44 |
| xeros | Tm_T, Hobbsee: I found that kate crashes on my system only when I have files with first line empty | 10:49 |
| === Hobbsee tries to find out if she can just rebuild one package, isntead of all of the source | ||
| xeros | when I put some characters in first line and even delete them later kate doesn't crash | 10:50 |
| xeros | today evening I'll try new packages of kdebase and kdelibs for dapper - I've seen they have been repackaged yesterday evening | 10:51 |
| Hobbsee | hmm. kubuntu.org is down anyway | 10:51 |
| xeros | Hobbsee: not for me, I'm downloading the dapper packages now | 10:52 |
| Hobbsee | interesting. they've been renamed | 10:53 |
| xeros | Hobbsee: yes, they bacame too public and they were going private for developers and testers only | 10:55 |
| Hobbsee | xeros: right... | 10:55 |
| xeros | I wonder when Riddell is going to build koffice 1.6 - it seems that the kde team is ready to publish them and now they have a week for packagers to make binary packages | 10:58 |
| Hobbsee | dunno. Riddell might not be the one to build them. *shrug* | 10:59 |
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| Hobbsee | hi el | 11:02 |
| el | hi Hobbsee :) | 11:02 |
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| Hobbsee | right. i'll stop whinging | 11:21 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell's latest packages have fixed it. | 11:21 |
| Hobbsee | but they didnt have the versoin number bumped, so they didnt auto download. grumble | 11:21 |
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| xeros | Hobbsee: thanks, I found dapper updated packages but I missed edgy's packages. I reinstalled the kdelibs packages on edgy and it helped to me, too :) | 11:43 |
| Hobbsee | nice :) | 11:43 |
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| Tonio_ | hi | 12:17 |
| xeros | hi Tonio_ | 12:19 |
| Hobbsee | hey Tonio_ | 12:33 |
| Tonio_ | hi Hobbsee :) | 12:35 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: so where's the kopete to try? | 12:36 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org | 12:38 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I'm waiting mdz to approve uvf exception request | 12:38 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: yeah, i saw that | 12:39 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: where's the deb of kopete, or is it not built yet? | 12:39 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: ? | 12:40 |
| Tonio_ | let me check | 12:40 |
| === Hobbsee is fishing thru the repo, but cant see it | ||
| Tonio_ | hum, looks like I removed it.... I only have the source package.... | 12:41 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: let me reupload :) | 12:41 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: ahh :) | 12:41 |
| Tonio_ | 1 minute | 12:41 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: are you using knetworkmanager ? | 12:41 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: yep | 12:42 |
| Tonio_ | I noticed I had issues since I use 3.5.5 | 12:42 |
| Tonio_ | kdeinit fails to launch it on session restore | 12:42 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: never saw that problem ? | 12:42 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: in fact I have a blank space in the systray, but the icon never appears, and I have to kill the process and restart to get it working | 12:42 |
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| Hobbsee | Tonio_: i had problems before i redid the session config | 12:43 |
| Hobbsee | ah yes... | 12:43 |
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| === Hobbsee just made a new saved session to combat that. | ||
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: how did you workarround ? | 12:43 |
| Hobbsee | i've noticed that happening a couple of times though anyway, yeah | 12:43 |
| Tonio_ | you manually save your session ? | 12:43 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: yes, it doesn't happen very often | 12:44 |
| Tonio_ | for example on logout, it works | 12:44 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: i get an empty one, load what i want, then manually save that, adn load that | 12:44 |
| Tonio_ | on shutdown and reboot, I have the issue | 12:44 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: the point is I don't know if that's a knm issue or a kdeinit one.... | 12:44 |
| Tonio_ | all I know is that the problem appeared with 3.5.5 | 12:45 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: true. i never logout | 12:45 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 12:45 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: you should see kopete now | 12:45 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I'll contact timo, we'll see | 12:45 |
| Hobbsee | getting it | 12:45 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: did you end up getting a changelog? | 12:48 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I did something using the svn-changelog yes | 12:50 |
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| Tm_T | is there any way to restrict usage of repository? | 01:12 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: you can use apache or proftpd filtering systems | 01:14 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: but apt doesn't support authentification | 01:15 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: you can restrict by IP or domain, limit the download speed etc....... | 01:15 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: I'm talking about problems with kde-355 repository leaking to too public | 01:16 |
| Tm_T | that's just the curse of teh internet, everything know everything | 01:17 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: well the only solution is probably to "deny from all" and allow our IP addresses manually | 01:17 |
| Tm_T | heh | 01:17 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: tell that to riddell ;) | 01:17 |
| Tonio_ | that can be made easy with a web interface writting a .htaccess file | 01:17 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: hehe, I will :) | 01:18 |
| Riddell | I can't do that on the server | 01:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah... | 01:18 |
| Tm_T | I assumed so | 01:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no write access ? | 01:18 |
| Tm_T | there should be some reasonable solution for that | 01:19 |
| Riddell | putting it at a less official URL should be fine | 01:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: how about a .htaccess file in 3.5.5 deb folder only | 01:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that is not hard to... | 01:19 |
| Riddell | that apache doesn't let me to do much in .htaccess | 01:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, htaccess needs to be activated in your virtualhost's config | 01:20 |
| Tm_T | you don't even have to mention that repository to people, they use browser | 01:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is there a proftpd on the server ? | 01:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: .ftpaccess also exists :) | 01:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: then the best solution is a testing server, externalized | 01:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: you could use mine for example, I can handle it, no bandwidth issue | 01:21 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: apt-get can be piped thru ssh or some other autheticationed protocol? | 01:22 |
| === Tm_T is going wild with ideas | ||
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: hum.... should be possible, but hard to handle in my opinion | 01:23 |
| Tm_T | ah | 01:23 |
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| Tm_T | Tonio_: auth in website -> automatically adds ip to allow list perhaps? | 01:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell, Tm_T: I assume an https with key authentication would work also | 01:25 |
| Hobbsee | ..... | 01:25 |
| Hobbsee | distrowatch published the repos? | 01:25 |
| Tm_T | dunno but I have seen "noob users" who has no idea about testing had 3.5.5 and whined, so, somehow they've gone wild | 01:27 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: apt doesn't do https | 01:28 |
| === Hobbsee tries to remember who the reporter we had in here was. | ||
| Hobbsee | ugh. great. | 01:28 |
| Riddell | we had a reporter in here? | 01:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum, yes I just saw that in the logs | 01:29 |
| Tonio_ | http://kubuntu.org/packages | 01:29 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is that it isn't hard to find if you search a bit...... | 01:29 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: someone was writing something about something. *tries to get her brain to recall* | 01:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: how about removing dirlisting on that folder, to start ;) | 01:29 |
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| Tonio_ | hi goldenear | 01:31 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: I packaged jabbin yesterday, fyi | 01:31 |
| goldenear | Tonio_: great :) | 01:31 |
| goldenear | is it on a repository ? | 01:32 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org | 01:32 |
| Hobbsee | !seen silver_hook | 01:33 |
| ubotu | I last saw silver_hook (n=matija@BSN-61-66-55.dsl.siol.net) 1d 15h 31m 44s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection | 01:33 |
| goldenear | I'm going to try it right now ! :) | 01:33 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: do you have a name of the reporter on distrowatch? | 01:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is there a mysql server on that machine ? | 01:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: we can do a quick php script that allow or not downloading according to the guy IP address | 01:36 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: no | 01:36 |
| Tonio_ | and store them in a mysql database | 01:36 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it's not that important | 01:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay :) | 01:36 |
| Hobbsee | apparently this guy was from TUX. | 01:37 |
| === Hobbsee pokes fdoving | ||
| Riddell | Hobbsee: when where? | 01:37 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon ping ? | 01:37 |
| Hobbsee | oh fsck.... | 01:37 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/kubuntu-devel-2006-10-08.html - search for silver_hook | 01:38 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i'd imagine for http://www.tuxmagazine.com/ | 01:40 |
| Hobbsee | it's been mentioned in front of the guy, by people in the channel, including myself asking jucato to test it. whether he's connected to distrowatch or something, i dont know. | 01:41 |
| goldenear | Tonio_: do you want to try jabbin voip ? | 01:41 |
| Riddell | and fdoving gave him completely the wrong answer on where to get kopete | 01:42 |
| Hobbsee | i told him properly later | 01:42 |
| Hobbsee | that's where i saw the guy, and found out he was a reporter | 01:42 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: I can't... my microphone doesn't work | 02:01 |
| goldenear | :( | 02:01 |
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| goldenear | Tonio_: about that, I have found something strange yesterday: the mixer in kde is not as complete as alsamixer... and that's a problem for me | 02:02 |
| goldenear | indeed, the control to set my internal mic volume is not available in kmixer but it is in alsamixer | 02:03 |
| goldenear | (and the control reported as internal mic is kmixer is not the internal mic) | 02:03 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: report a bug at kde ;) | 02:05 |
| goldenear | I would like to find where this bug comes from first... | 02:06 |
| goldenear | Tonio; I've found the bug. I guess it's also why your internal mic doesn't work: | 02:29 |
| goldenear | 1) in kmix (and alsa mixer) I see two mic controls: internal mic and mic... internal mic is a wrong indication as both internal mic and the external mic jack use the mic control | 02:30 |
| goldenear | internal mic is useless and should not be used! (and should not be displayed) | 02:31 |
| goldenear | 2) mic volume as only effect on direct monitoring, not for recording (or voip)... the volume for recording is "capture" | 02:32 |
| nuku | 3) "capture" in kmix does not change "capture" in alsamixer here :/ | 02:35 |
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| goldenear | so to recorde something you have to set the record source (mic), set capture on and set the capture volume (mic volume as no effect on that and mic monitoring | 02:53 |
| goldenear | 3) the same here :) | 02:53 |
| goldenear | 3) seems to be the bug | 02:53 |
| goldenear | I've happy you can confirme it nuku :) | 02:54 |
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| goldenear | nuku: what sound chip do you have ? | 02:56 |
| nuku | ICH6 / SigmaTel | 02:57 |
| nuku | not really clear why this happens ... as the capture mixer control has cvolume which looks correct | 02:59 |
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| goldenear | nuku: my sound chip is an intel hda (my computer is a centrino 2 laptop) | 03:09 |
| goldenear | so the issue may be with intel chips... | 03:09 |
| goldenear | Could someone with an other sound chip confirm the bug ? | 03:09 |
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| jdong | goldenear: I have an intel hda. what's up? | 03:10 |
| goldenear | jdong: so I guess you have the same problem | 03:15 |
| jdong | goldenear: what problem? I just came in | 03:15 |
| goldenear | capture control in kmix as no effect | 03:15 |
| goldenear | but capture volume control in alsamixer works | 03:16 |
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| nuku | goldenear: i think i have found the bug | 03:19 |
| goldenear | really ? | 03:19 |
| nuku | the curprit is that the capture device is tagged as canCapture and canRecord | 03:19 |
| nuku | but the mixer is only added if (canCapture && !canRecord) | 03:20 |
| goldenear | seems logical | 03:21 |
| nuku | lets see if it works when i comment this out :) | 03:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I just notices about:konqueror went back to media:/ with your packages | 03:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the very strange thing is that the patch is still there and applies correctly.... | 03:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: any idea what got wrong ? | 03:21 |
| nuku | yes .. now i have all the mixers twice but one does work indeed.. :) | 03:21 |
| goldenear | :) | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I don't understand how that's possible | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | the patch is kubuntu_73_nomediaioslave_mounthelper.diff | 03:23 |
| goldenear | nuku: not very easy to fix.. | 03:23 |
| goldenear | capture control have to be managed differently than others then... | 03:24 |
| goldenear | an other possibility to fix this would be to set capture volume = capture source volume | 03:25 |
| goldenear | I mean if mic is selected for capture, then the mic volume control would set the capture volume control too. | 03:26 |
| goldenear | (and then it become useless to display the cature mixer is kmix) | 03:26 |
| nuku | hmm. well alsamixer does handle this in another way here.. mic volume does not have a slider just an capture flag.. the mic volume is only affected in playback... | 03:29 |
| jdong | who do I subscribe to UVFe's? | 03:29 |
| Riddell | jdong: ubuntu-archive | 03:29 |
| Riddell | mm, maybe that's wrong actually | 03:30 |
| jdong | Riddell: thanks | 03:30 |
| Riddell | mdz and kamion | 03:30 |
| jdong | the wiki's down... | 03:30 |
| jdong | ok | 03:30 |
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| goldenear | nuku: the same for me... mic volume in alsamixer (and kmix) has only effect on playback | 03:31 |
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| goldenear | That's why I suggest it could have effect on capture when mic is selected as capture source | 03:32 |
| Riddell | jdong: universe or main? | 03:33 |
| jdong | Riddell: main | 03:33 |
| jdong | ktorrent | 03:33 |
| Riddell | ubuntu-release | 03:34 |
| Riddell | that's the dudes | 03:34 |
| jdong | k | 03:34 |
| Riddell | but also make sure you tell me the bug number too | 03:34 |
| jdong | Riddell: bug 65066 | 03:34 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65066 in ktorrent "UVF Exception Request: ktorrent 2.0.3" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65066 | 03:34 |
| nuku | goldenear: well problem might be that other cards may allow setting a capture volume for mic.... so its not really easy to handle.. | 03:34 |
| jdong | look ok to you, Riddell? | 03:34 |
| nuku | goldenear: so matching alsamixer might be the cleanest solution i guess.... | 03:35 |
| goldenear | nuku: indeed | 03:36 |
| Riddell | jdong: do you have debs to test? | 03:36 |
| jdong | Riddell: building them as we speak | 03:36 |
| Hawkwind | jdong: 2.0.3 for Dapper or Edgy ? | 03:40 |
| Hawkwind | Ahh, I'd guess Edgy since you requested UVF | 03:40 |
| jdong | Hawkwind: first for edgy, then definitely I'll backport it to dapper | 03:41 |
| jdong | grr, have to update my edgy pbuilder | 03:43 |
| jdong | stupid development release :) | 03:43 |
| Hobbsee | hey now. the newer kernel is good :) | 03:45 |
| jdong | yes,. but the constant need to refresh my pbuilder is not :) | 03:46 |
| Hobbsee | my system boots now, and doesnt regularly overheat quite so badly. i'm not complaining. | 03:47 |
| jdong | hehe | 03:47 |
| jdong | Edgy's gonna be a nice release | 03:47 |
| jdong | grr, KSS doesn't remember my DPMS timeout | 03:48 |
| jdong | across logouts | 03:48 |
| jdong | the bug's in malone | 03:48 |
| jdong | a fix is apparently committed | 03:48 |
| Hobbsee | kss? | 03:48 |
| jdong | kde system settings | 03:48 |
| jdong | guidance, actually | 03:48 |
| jdong | the display tool | 03:48 |
| jdong | I set a timeout of 2 minutes, logout, and it turns into 2 hours | 03:48 |
| jdong | then it turns into 5 hours | 03:48 |
| jdong | :) | 03:48 |
| jdong | my computer wastes a bit more power each time I log in! | 03:49 |
| jdong | yay | 03:49 |
| jdong | k, breakfast time | 03:49 |
| jdong | will come back when shiny new ktorrent builds | 03:49 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 03:50 |
| jdong | and please tell me I'm not going crazy and it's actually a bug in guidance :) | 03:50 |
| Hobbsee | you're going crazy. | 03:51 |
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| abattoir | jdong: i have that bug too | 03:58 |
| jdong | abattoir: awesome (in the sense that I'm not psycho) | 03:58 |
| abattoir | :P | 03:58 |
| jdong | Riddell: I'm uploading a tarball with source and deb packages for ktorrent 2.0.3 to the UVFe | 04:01 |
| jdong | I'm testing them now , and they work great for me | 04:01 |
| jdong | if others want to help me test it out, that'd be great | 04:02 |
| jdong | should show up on bug 65066 as soon as it finishes uploading | 04:02 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65066 in ktorrent "UVF Exception Request: ktorrent 2.0.3" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65066 | 04:02 |
| jdong | which would be now :) | 04:02 |
| claydoh | hmpf | 04:03 |
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| claydoh | such time and effort i wasted :) | 04:03 |
| claydoh | but I will test your deb post haste | 04:04 |
| jdong | sorry claydoh :) | 04:07 |
| jdong | claydoh: I already said earlier that I was building them :D | 04:07 |
| claydoh | don't be shoulda figgered someone would be on this | 04:07 |
| claydoh | pluys I didn't check in here | 04:08 |
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| jdong | perfect | 04:08 |
| jdong | there's not terribly much groundbreaking in the new point release | 04:09 |
| jdong | most of the important fixes I've already isolated as 2.0.2-0ubuntu2 | 04:09 |
| jdong | but there is a private tracker cheating bug that's been fixed in 2.0.3 | 04:09 |
| jdong | really annoying if you belong to one of those private trackers | 04:09 |
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| Riddell | xeros: are you doing some sort of weird query thing? | 04:12 |
| Riddell | koffice needs testing ** deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/not-koffice-16/ edgy main | 04:16 |
| jdong | lol | 04:16 |
| jdong | not-koffice-16 | 04:17 |
| jdong | something like koffice-16-developers-only might work better | 04:17 |
| jdong | or even koffice-16.broken.and.will.delete.data :) | 04:17 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: testing koffice | 04:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: any idea if kde uvf er will be accepted ? just to know :) | 04:34 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: koffice-16-on-crack :P | 04:34 |
| jdong | hehe | 04:34 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: we need to wait for mdz to wake up | 04:34 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: try calling him :P | 04:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hehe | 04:35 |
| Riddell | koffice seems good to me | 04:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, except I now have 3 krita entries in kmenu :) | 04:36 |
| Tonio_ | one in graphics, and two in office | 04:36 |
| Riddell | I have one in graphics and one in office | 04:37 |
| nuku | i have two in graphics and one in office :) | 04:38 |
| Tonio_ | nuku: hehe :) | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: looks like there is 2 different desktop files, since the desc is different | 04:40 |
| Tm_T | Krita? | 04:41 |
| Tm_T | there was commit related to it | 04:41 |
| Tm_T | SVN commit 594164 by berger: make krita appears in the "open with" menu and appears only once in the kmenu | 04:42 |
| Tm_T | this was in 1.6 branch | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the "shouldn't be there file" is kde-krita_jpeg.desktop | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | this is the one that appears twice in the menus here | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: /usr/share/applnk/Office/krita_jpeg.desktop | 04:45 |
| Tm_T | those should be installed to .hidden gategory iirc | 04:46 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: even more simple, patching the desktop file to hide | 04:47 |
| Tonio_ | Hidden=true | 04:47 |
| nuku | wasn't it NoDisplay=true? | 04:48 |
| Tonio_ | nuku: both work | 04:49 |
| nuku | i see | 04:49 |
| Tonio_ | nuku: but yeah, the common way is NoDisplay | 04:49 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: heh, that works too :p | 04:51 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: hehe, yes, that's a kde secret, but shhhhh, nobody should know !!! | 04:51 |
| Tonio_ | I just think Hidden is more logic and simple | 04:52 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon are you there ? | 04:53 |
| nuku | yes Hidden sounds more intuitive :) | 04:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/24 | 05:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: in case you want the patch :) | 05:01 |
| Tonio_ | others krita_*.desktop have the NoDisplay tag | 05:02 |
| Tonio_ | haha, just read jono bacon story ;) | 05:03 |
| Tonio_ | amazing that joining a channel can result a d-line on freenode | 05:04 |
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| Tm_T | Tonio_: ? | 05:22 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: where what story? | 05:22 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: on planet ubuntu | 05:23 |
| Tm_T | I see, read it too ;) -> | 05:24 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: fancy testing this ? -> #asdfg | 05:27 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 05:27 |
| seaLne | can any kmail imap users do me a favour and start an email then save it as a draft and tell me if it saves in the imap drafts folder and local drafts aswell? | 05:28 |
| Tonio_ | seaLne: one sec | 05:28 |
| Tonio_ | seaLne: local | 05:28 |
| seaLne | it saves it in the imap drafts aswell for me, strange | 05:29 |
| seaLne | do you have a drafts folder defined in your identity? | 05:29 |
| Tonio_ | seaLne: nope | 05:29 |
| seaLne | mine is set to be on imap | 05:30 |
| seaLne | identity-> modify -> advanced -> drafts folder | 05:30 |
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| Tonio_ | _Sime: ping (for when you're arround) | 05:33 |
| nuku | seaLne: works here as it should be... drafts are only stored in the imap folder | 05:34 |
| seaLne | weird | 05:34 |
| nuku | seaLne: KMail Version 1.9.5 btw | 05:35 |
| seaLne | ah i'm still 1.9.4 | 05:35 |
| seaLne | it will be interesting to see if that makes a difference as this has happened previously for me | 05:36 |
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| nuku | seaLne: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/3_5_5/kdepim.txt can't find anything related there .. | 05:38 |
| seaLne | i think if it is fixed its just something weird that causes it | 05:40 |
| nuku | at least its better than loosing the mail at all :) | 05:41 |
| seaLne | yep :) | 05:42 |
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| sebas | Is the kate crash fixed, if so, where are the packages now? :-) | 06:11 |
| Riddell | yes, packages at not-kde-355 | 06:12 |
| Riddell | you have to delete your cache and use --reinstall | 06:13 |
| Tm_T | roger | 06:13 |
| DaSkreech | yes? | 06:14 |
| Tm_T | hmm, ok, was that crash involved to file starting with empty line? | 06:15 |
| Tm_T | cause I had just crash, everything was ok until I clicked line with text :p | 06:15 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 06:23 |
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| DaSkreech | Hi bddebian | 06:29 |
| bddebian | Heya DaSkreech | 06:30 |
| sebas | When's UDS Mountainview exactly? | 06:31 |
| Riddell | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView | 06:32 |
| sebas | thx! | 06:33 |
| sebas | thx4repo@riddell, too | 06:46 |
| Riddell | sebas: which one? | 06:47 |
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| sebas | not-kde-355 | 06:47 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: talking about that, I contacted canonical's agent, but didn't receive any response yet.... I will have to make my own arrangement, probably | 06:51 |
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| Lure | sebas: seen bug 64978? We should probably be more conservative regarding the choosen battery icon... | 07:18 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 64978 in kde-guidance "powermanager icon sometimes shows fully charged when not" [Undecided,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/64978 | 07:18 |
| Lure | sebas: any ideas on memory leak issue - see bug 64969 | 07:20 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 64969 in kde-guidance "kde-guidance-powermanager applet leaks memory rapidly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/64969 | 07:20 |
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| sebas | Lure: I agree that we should use the full battery icon only when we're really near-full | 07:27 |
| sebas | And now with your explanation, I finally understand the point of this BR | 07:27 |
| Lure | sebas: ok, I can change this | 07:27 |
| sebas | Sure, go ahead. | 07:27 |
| sebas | I was thinking about the same. | 07:27 |
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| sebas | Note that my notebook sometimes finishes at 98% with loading, and that's desirable behaviour | 07:28 |
| sebas | If I unplug it at 100% and then replug it at 98%, it should not start loading again, since that would wear out the battery too much with too little benefit | 07:28 |
| Lure | sebas: yes, this is why I would to 5% less then the battery icon level (55 for 60, 95 for 100, 35 for 40...) | 07:28 |
| sebas | So I gues > 95% is a good choice | 07:28 |
| sebas | And then stretch the middle field some more | 07:28 |
| Lure | sebas: but we cannot control charging/dischaging - this is done by HW | 07:29 |
| sebas | going red at 38% is overdone as well (that's > 1h on my notebook) | 07:29 |
| sebas | No, we can't indeed. | 07:29 |
| sebas | My point was that 98% is 'full enough' for the full icon | 07:29 |
| Lure | sebas: right | 07:29 |
| sebas | I'll have a look now if I can find anything that could cause the memleak (are we appending to some list endlessly in the poll code? for example) | 07:31 |
| Lure | sebas: another point - we never display empty battery at all as we have it at 2%, which is probably below critical level (when most have auto hibernate on) | 07:33 |
| sebas | Lure: Ah, right. | 07:33 |
| sebas | Do that <10%, maybe? | 07:33 |
| Lure | sebas: I am thinking about 20% for red and 7-10% for empty | 07:34 |
| Lure | maybe even 5 would be better than 2 as it is now | 07:34 |
| Lure | sebas: you laptop goes red on 38%? in code it is 20%...? | 07:35 |
| sebas | Lure: 18% then ;) | 07:35 |
| sebas | Too early anyway, I've 4hrs | 07:35 |
| Lure | sebas: ok, then lets try 5 (empty) and 15 (red) | 07:36 |
| sebas | Sounds good | 07:36 |
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| sebas | Lure: Change looks good | 07:46 |
| sebas | And it feels even better =) | 07:46 |
| Lure | sebas: funny is that I did not notice it until I read the report today ;-) - it looks like we are looking into powermanger too much ;-) | 07:47 |
| sebas | Lure: I had a feeling of it not being quite what I want, but did not really consider it because it would not be mathematically correct | 07:48 |
| sebas | This way it makes much more sense | 07:48 |
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| sebas | Lure: pychecker is quite nice, btw. | 07:50 |
| Lure | sebas: newer used it for powermanager yet, but I know as I am pushing my developers at work to use it ;-) | 07:51 |
| sebas | Lure: If did a quick check, but I'm hesitant to fix lots of warnings right before a release | 07:51 |
| sebas | I'll do a later run and fix things, after Edgy is out | 07:52 |
| sebas | Maybe we can even integrate it into the EBN | 07:52 |
| Lure | sebas: I would fix the obvious ones and we can get some testers from svn in this channel | 07:52 |
| sebas | Lure: I didn't see anything critical, some dead code, some warnings, lots of crap in dcopext :-) | 07:53 |
| _Sime | Tonio_: pong | 07:53 |
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| sebas | I'm afk for a bit | 07:53 |
| Lure | sebas: true, not much to be concerned too much... | 07:54 |
| Lure | anybody here knows how can I get rights to change Importance of bugs (at least for some packages like kde-guidance, kdeadmin, knetworkmanager...) | 07:55 |
| sebas | _Sime: Sunday's my birthday, drop in for a drink if you've time :) | 07:55 |
| _Sime | seaLne: 30? | 07:55 |
| _Sime | sebas: 30? | 07:55 |
| sebas | (That goes for everyone here, actually, though I doubt many live in an acceptable distance to drop by ) | 07:56 |
| sebas | _Sime: Hm, 30 yeah :D | 07:56 |
| sebas | I'm not realising this yet | 07:56 |
| _Sime | sebas: I thought you were a little bit closer to my age... | 07:56 |
| sebas | _Sime: Which is how much exactly? | 07:56 |
| _Sime | sebas: Are you going away for the weekend? | 07:57 |
| _Sime | sebas: I'm 9 months old than you. | 07:57 |
| sebas | Don't think so, I planned to go to Stuttgart but I prefer some time at home after all the travelling lately | 07:57 |
| sebas | _Sime: That's *nothing* :D | 07:57 |
| trappist | Lure: members of ubuntu-qa can do that | 07:58 |
| sebas | Uhm, Saturday is my birthday, the 14th | 07:58 |
| sebas | I'm off for a bit now, laters! | 07:58 |
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| Lure | trappist: thanks - have joined, hope I get accepted (is there any page how to get accepted)? | 07:59 |
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| Lure | sebas: what is your feeling about bug 64053? should we workaround for this user? (for example, my noname desktop properly claims "desktop") | 08:03 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 64053 in kde-guidance "does not recognize ibook as a laptop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/64053 | 08:03 |
| trappist | Lure: you get sfflaw (there's one other guy who can do it, I forget his name) to bless you | 08:04 |
| gnomefreak | trappist: sfflaw does it dh... can do it but normally he sends people to sfflaw | 08:05 |
| trappist | Lure: you'll be expected to have read, understood, accepted, meditated on and embraced https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/CommonTasks | 08:06 |
| Lure | trappist: I have done this in Dapper time... | 08:06 |
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| sebas | Lure: How about we do something like if formfactor == "laptop" or powermanage.hasBattery(): ... ? | 08:13 |
| Lure | sebas: that is probably better, only problem is when battery is not present (temporarily) | 08:14 |
| sebas | Lure: Hm, dunno | 08:17 |
| sebas | Check for more "laptop-specific items"? | 08:17 |
| sebas | Such as hasAC ? | 08:17 |
| Lure | sebas: I would not trust hasAC (see also bug 64933) | 08:19 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 64933 in kde-guidance "Tooltip when on battery" [Undecided,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/64933 | 08:19 |
| sebas | :/ | 08:19 |
| sebas | We cannot trust HAL | 08:20 |
| Lure | to all: any user here with machine that reports anything else as "laptop" or "desktop" when executing "lshal | grep formfactor" | 08:20 |
| Lure | particularly ppc users... | 08:20 |
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| imbrandon | Lure, my ppc says 'unknown' | 08:21 |
| Lure | imbrandon: laptop or desktop or server ;-)? | 08:21 |
| imbrandon | laptop ( ibook ) | 08:21 |
| Lure | imbrandon: so you can confirm bug 64053 | 08:21 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 64053 in kde-guidance "does not recognize ibook as a laptop" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/64053 | 08:21 |
| sebas | imbrandon: lshal |g ac|g adapter ? | 08:22 |
| sebas | alias g="grep" of course | 08:23 |
| imbrandon | true | 08:23 |
| sebas | Good. | 08:23 |
| imbrandon | and confirmed Lure | 08:23 |
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| fdoving | Riddell: what is the proper way of getting kopete 0.12.2 for dapper? i can see the source in dapper-backports, but not the binaries. | 08:33 |
| Lure | imbrandon: what is output of "lshal | grep ac_adapter | 08:34 |
| imbrandon | sorry was afk one sec | 08:39 |
| imbrandon | fdoving, its in binary NEW ( but i have it in my repo if you wish to have it ) deb http://imbrandon.com/packages dapper kopete | 08:39 |
| fdoving | imbrandon, i know you have it, i just have a message in my awaylog, by riddel, saying i told some-guy the totaly wrong way of getting kopete 0.12.2.. and i gave him your repo. | 08:40 |
| fdoving | that was for dapper that is. | 08:41 |
| imbrandon | lure , ac_adapter.present = true , info.capabilities and info.category | 08:41 |
| imbrandon | fdoving, ahh | 08:41 |
| jdong | fdoving: urg, I think I need to request a re-backport of kopete | 08:42 |
| fdoving | he was a reporter for tuxmagazine.org, so i'm sorry if he published the repo links without contacting you. i told him it would be a good idea to ask you before publishing though. | 08:42 |
| fdoving | jdong: probably :) | 08:42 |
| jdong | fdoving: that backport was done when the infrastructure was half-broken.... | 08:42 |
| imbrandon | jdong, no its backported , its just in binary NEW | 08:42 |
| jdong | so I think the binaries ended up in a black hole :) | 08:42 |
| jdong | imbrandon: I asked kamion a while back to take them out of binary new | 08:43 |
| jdong | and he said that he did it | 08:43 |
| jdong | and it's still not there | 08:43 |
| jdong | anyway, that needs to be followed up on | 08:43 |
| imbrandon | well its still there, i'm looking right at it | 08:44 |
| imbrandon | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+queue | 08:44 |
| jdong | imbrandon: ah, ok, I didn't know that existed in LP | 08:44 |
| nuku | oh btw the packages.ubuntu.com page is missing the dapper-backports in the distribution dropdown box :) | 08:44 |
| jdong | nuku: I've poked him about it before, and he didn't respond... maybe you should try :) | 08:45 |
| imbrandon | nuku, cool , and i'm sure you filed a bug against ubuntu-web right ? hehe | 08:45 |
| jdong | imbrandon: can you be my ktorrent uploader? :) | 08:46 |
| jdong | imbrandon: bug 65066 | 08:46 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65066 in ktorrent "UVF Exception Request: ktorrent 2.0.3" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65066 | 08:46 |
| jdong | just approved | 08:46 |
| nuku | erm actually i did not file a bug.. just happend to see it some time ago but as i am using edgy now i forgot about it ;) | 08:46 |
| imbrandon | nuku, https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website/+filebug | 08:47 |
| imbrandon | jdong, sure i will get to it tonight , DO NOT ASK 2 PEOPLE THIS TIME PLEASE | 08:47 |
| jdong | LOL | 08:47 |
| jdong | assign the bug to yourself so we don't run into that again :) | 08:48 |
| jdong | I didn't actually ask the second person last time.... he kind of found it on his own :) | 08:48 |
| imbrandon | heh, ok , i'm off for 3 hours or so, bbian | 08:49 |
| imbrandon | bbiab* | 08:49 |
| fdoving | see you. | 08:51 |
| Riddell | fdoving: it should be backports | 08:51 |
| Riddell | if it's not there we need to poke jdong | 08:52 |
| fdoving | ok, he knows about it now. | 08:52 |
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| jdong | Riddell: I've poked kamion about it.. it's in the NEW queue | 08:52 |
| fdoving | i guess the TUX guys are better off with imbrandons packages than compiling from backports sources. | 08:52 |
| imbrandon | fdoving, ah yea i talked to the TUX reporter directly | 08:53 |
| fdoving | imbrandon, good :) | 08:53 |
| imbrandon | i set him up witht the backports way | 08:53 |
| imbrandon | it will be out of the NEW que by the time its published | 08:53 |
| Riddell | jdong: didn't know backports had a n queue | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | i thought you wanted it "right now" | 08:54 |
| fdoving | i thought -he- wanted it "right now". | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, yea it gets stuck in BINARY new | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | in dapper | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, see konversation , libvisual, etc etc etc are all still stuck https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+queue | 08:55 |
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| Riddell | imbrandon: humph | 09:00 |
| Tm_T | anyone know way to disable that "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:" etc from apt-get, it's just extra noise I don't need | 09:00 |
| Tm_T | rather have it behind separate command | 09:01 |
| nixternal | sudo apt-get autoclean | 09:01 |
| nixternal | ;) | 09:01 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, my thoughts exactly, i just realized it today | 09:01 |
| nixternal | autoremove rather | 09:01 |
| Tm_T | noo, I won't do that | 09:01 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, yea but alot of those i still want, mine reports xorg ;) | 09:01 |
| Tm_T | exactly | 09:02 |
| nixternal | doh | 09:02 |
| nixternal | mine took kubuntu desktop..so i just reinstalled it | 09:02 |
| nixternal | that fixed a lot of bugs of mine too | 09:02 |
| nixternal | hehe | 09:02 |
| Tm_T | linux-headers-2.6.17-9 linux-headers-2.6.17-9-generic python-libxml2 python-dbus linux-generic | 09:02 |
| nixternal | although i am back to pressiing alt+f7 to fire up kdm again | 09:02 |
| Tm_T | that what it offers to me ;) | 09:02 |
| nixternal | 2.6.17-10-386 | 09:02 |
| nixternal | hrmm..i love the /cmd in konversation | 09:03 |
| Tm_T | :p | 09:03 |
| Tm_T | nixternal: /exec in irssi | 09:03 |
| nixternal | yup | 09:03 |
| jdong | /cmd find /? | 09:03 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, you should really install linux-generic | 09:03 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 09:03 |
| jdong | :) | 09:03 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: difference is big? | 09:04 |
| nixternal | that is default with the -386 | 09:04 |
| imbrandon | ok really gone bbiab, yea big diff | 09:04 |
| nixternal | roger that | 09:04 |
| nixternal | will do now | 09:04 |
| jdong | nixternal: you should use generic | 09:04 |
| fdoving | Tm_T: apt-get unmarkauto packagename' | 09:04 |
| Tm_T | nixternal: difference is many letters in package names ;) | 09:04 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 09:04 |
| Tm_T | fdoving: ooh thanks | 09:04 |
| Tm_T | though that's only workaround | 09:05 |
| fdoving | Tm_T: 'apt-mark unmarkauto packagename' that is. | 09:05 |
| nixternal | i have been so busy with school crap the past 2 weeks i kind of fell off here a little bit | 09:05 |
| Tm_T | I can't get that list back later, right? | 09:05 |
| fdoving | you can take a look at /var/lib/apt/extended_states | 09:06 |
| fdoving | i'm not sure. | 09:06 |
| Tm_T | hmm | 09:06 |
| Tm_T | roger | 09:06 |
| fdoving | you can always backup the file :) | 09:06 |
| Tm_T | =) | 09:06 |
| Tm_T | sounds stupid | 09:06 |
| Tm_T | all I want is apt-get to show them only by demand | 09:06 |
| fdoving | ah.. i don't know if that is possible. | 09:07 |
| xeros | Lure: system.formfactor = 'unknown' (string) | 09:07 |
| Tm_T | sounds stupid | 09:07 |
| Lure | xeros: what kind of machine? | 09:07 |
| fdoving | Tm_T: unmarkauto will remove the 'auto-installed' tag in /var/lib/apt/extended_states for the package. | 09:07 |
| Tm_T | because, haven't seen any other app screaming all the time some thing like "these you don't need anymore?!" | 09:07 |
| Tm_T | fdoving: yeah, so nogo | 09:08 |
| xeros | Lure: desktop - p4 ht | 09:09 |
| Lure | xeros: "lshal | grep ac_adapter" | 09:10 |
| xeros | Lure: nothing | 09:10 |
| Tm_T | fdoving: but thanks | 09:11 |
| Lure | xeros: good - thanks for testing this | 09:11 |
| xeros | Lure: and it's not edgy but dapper, sorry | 09:11 |
| Lure | xeros: does not make a difference really (hal is not that different) | 09:11 |
| fdoving | Tm_T: no problem, i'll continue investigating this, it's very annoying when you actually use apt-get alot. (as i do). | 09:12 |
| xeros | Lure: I use dapper on desktop at home and edgy on laptop at work | 09:12 |
| nixternal | 2.6.17-10-generic | 09:12 |
| nixternal | whee | 09:12 |
| fdoving | Tm_T: are you aware of 'apt-get remove --auto-remove <pkg>' ? will remove deps.. like aptitude does :) | 09:14 |
| xeros | Lure: it seems that my laptop with edgy is recognized properly - I used Kubuntu Device Database and it send info as laptop, power management seems to work properly there, too - it's HP compaq nx9005 with Athlon XP Mobile 2500+ (Barton) | 09:14 |
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| Lure | xeros: it is only problem with ppc laptops (it seems, due to missing dmidecode) and they are reported as unknown (same as your desktop) | 09:15 |
| Lure | sebas: you were right - hasBattery() is OK, as it now reports also true even if no battery is present (but there is battery bay for primary battery) - this was changed with my mult-battery refactoring | 09:18 |
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| Lure | sebas: so I will do: return properties["system.formfactor"] == "laptop" or self.hasBattery | 09:18 |
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| fdoving | Tm_T: there is no setting to just get rid of the message, but you can have apt-get automatically remove the packages for you, if you set APT::Get::AutomaticRemove "true"; in apt.conf :) | 09:56 |
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| Tm_T | fdoving: but that's exactly what I don't want | 10:05 |
| fdoving | i understand that. but i guess you'll have to make a patch for apt then :) | 10:06 |
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| Tm_T | mooh | 10:19 |
| Tm_T | I start to hate Kword | 10:20 |
| Tm_T | this is ridicolous, 1) write text 2) change font & colour settings 3) write more text 4) repeat 2 and 3 | 10:20 |
| Tm_T | and, without changing text colour, I'm looking white text in white background | 10:20 |
| Tm_T | "fun" | 10:20 |
| Tm_T | Bah, I give up, back to forking Kopete. -> | 10:25 |
| abattoir | Tm_T: i'm looking at black text in a black bg ;) | 10:25 |
| abattoir | Tm_T: hi, btw :P | 10:26 |
| Tm_T | hey :) | 10:26 |
| Tm_T | hmm, abattoir, like to test something? | 10:29 |
| abattoir | Tm_T: sure, what? | 10:29 |
| Tm_T | abattoir: open files in kate, close, reopen it and see if those files appear in "Open recent" list | 10:30 |
| abattoir | Tm_T: yes, they work as expected here | 10:32 |
| Tm_T | hmh | 10:32 |
| abattoir | Tm_T: i have 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 | 10:33 |
| Tm_T | same ofcourse | 10:35 |
| Tm_T | abattoir: check package date from /var/cache/apt/archives/ | 10:35 |
| abattoir | Tm_T: i dont think i'd have the packages from not-kde... if it was updated there | 10:36 |
| Tm_T | abattoir: iirc it is updated there | 10:36 |
| Tm_T | 2006-10-04 21:28 says mine | 10:37 |
| abattoir | Tm_T: i'm sure mine is after that, let me double-check | 10:37 |
| abattoir | 05-10 02:28 | 10:37 |
| Tm_T | weird | 10:38 |
| abattoir | (DD-MM HH:MM ofcourse) | 10:38 |
| abattoir | hh:mm rather :P | 10:38 |
| abattoir | everyone has access to not-kde-355? or do you need to have your IP in a list or something? | 10:42 |
| _Sime | So, will Edgy get KDE 3.5.5? | 10:46 |
| Tm_T | abattoir: iirc no | 10:46 |
| Lure | _Sime: not sure yet - I think Riddell is waiting for approval from mdz | 10:50 |
| Riddell | Lure: I got it, I'll upload tonight | 11:03 |
| Lure | Riddell: great | 11:03 |
| fdoving | approval for 3.5.5? | 11:05 |
| fdoving | then maybe i should stop compiling on the ibook :) | 11:05 |
| fdoving | imbrandon: how did your crosscompiling project go? | 11:06 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: mdz approved kopete, I'm uploading it | 11:14 |
| imbrandon | gah | 11:21 |
| imbrandon | tonio ....... | 11:21 |
| imbrandon | bah never mind | 11:21 |
| imbrandon | so nice of him to check the channel log and/or bug report that he scorned me about last time | 11:23 |
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| DaSkreech | imbrandon: Just checking what happened with podcasts? | 11:24 |
| imbrandon | DaSkreech, me and sladen been super busy with other things | 11:24 |
| DaSkreech | Cool As expected :) | 11:24 |
| imbrandon | they will resume probbably after edgy's release | 11:25 |
| imbrandon | jdong, query | 11:26 |
| imbrandon | fdoving, good actualy, i got it all working ( mostly ) | 11:26 |
| imbrandon | fdoving, sometime tonight i'll post some details on my blog | 11:26 |
| fdoving | nice. | 11:27 |
| fdoving | looking forward to it :) | 11:27 |
| imbrandon | i just got in and am catching up on mail etc | 11:27 |
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| fdoving | gnite. | 11:34 |
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