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Tonio_Riddell: kubuntu-meta with kipi-plugins uploade01:00
Riddellwhich reminds me I need to fix k-d-s for accessibility01:01
Tonio_ah, what are the changes you'll provide ?01:05
Riddellspelling fixes01:06
imbrandonhum what provides /usr/local/include/qt4/Qt/qobject.h01:06
Riddellnothing, it's in /usr/local01:07
imbrandonwell the qt4 headers01:08
imbrandonchecking for Qt headers in default path... trying different pathes01:08
imbrandonchecking for /usr/local/include/qt4/Qt/qobject.h... not found01:08
imbrandonqt4-dev ?01:08
nukumore libqt4-dev i guess01:09
Riddellnothing will be in /usr/local01:11
Riddellif it depends on being in /usr/local is broken01:11
imbrandonyea it was looking there becouse i dident have it in /usr/lib/qt401:11
imbrandoni installed libqt4-dev and it foudn them01:12
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imbrandonoh wow this sucks01:21
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Riddellimbrandon: what are you doing with python-kde?01:23
imbrandonwell i /was/ going to make a dist-upgrader in php-qt becouse i already know php very well , but the php-qt segfaults too much SO i'm looking at taclking it in python01:24
imbrandonsince that seems to be the thing now-a-days01:24
imbrandonbut my python isnt all that great , thus trying php-qt first01:25
Riddellerr, the blocker with upgrade tool is the lack of embedded konsole in pykde01:26
imbrandonwhatcha think ?01:26
Riddellbest help would be packaging the latest pykde to see if the embedded konsole works01:26
Riddellit needs a switch passed to it to turn on embedded konsole01:27
imbrandonok will do01:27
imbrandoni thought the new one was already in01:27
imbrandonpykde3 right ( not 4 )01:27
nukumay i suggest ruby? libkonsolepart works fine there with korundum ;-)01:29
imbrandonnuku, well i know -0- ruby tbh, leaste i know c++ well ( too long to develop ) php well ( php-qt sucks ) and python a little 01:30
imbrandonthat and all the python libs are already in the distro ;)01:30
Riddellimbrandon: yes, pykde301:31
Riddellnuku: no, it's written in python01:31
nukuok python kde binding beeing in main is an argument :)01:32
imbrandonahh yea ok, got the new version , packaing it up now, seems we had a svn snapshot before01:32
Riddellit being written in python is the larger argument01:32
nukuno point in starting a discussion there anyway as it seem :)01:33
nukujust stroked through my mind that korundum is really nice :)01:34
imbrandonyea i checked it out when the markey said something but the thought of learning a new lang isnt high on my list atm ;)01:35
imbrandonnuku, ^01:35
nukuyeah so it will be :)01:35
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imbrandonugh python-kde3 ( even the old one ) is ftbs02:20
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Tonio_Riddell: did you remove kde 3.5.5 from your repo ?02:57
Tonio_I have to patch ark since the ark-part desktop file is broken...02:57
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jjessequick question, in the logout menu does hibernate only show in laptop users or does it show for everyone in edgy03:14
freeflyingjjesse: to me, hibernate can't show on my ibook, but has on my desktop computer03:16
imbrandon_Tonio_: no its moved to not-kde-355 since someone leaked it03:21
jjessefreeflying: thanks for answering my question03:21
imbrandon_jjesse: it only shows on computers that support it afaik03:21
jjesseimbrandon_: thanks03:21
Tonio_imbrandonwhat 'leaked' means ?03:22
jjessewhat was leaked?03:22
imbrandon_Tonio_: someone told the public about the url03:26
Tonio_ah okay03:26
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freeflyingkde bug #39167205:01
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Hobbseewhat the...05:56
Hobbseemy kate is crashing like crazy.05:56
crimsunwell if you stopped poking it...05:57
jdongHobbsee: your kate is krashing liKe krazy?05:57
Hobbseeand it's crashed again...05:57
Hobbseelook, i'm just trying to open the files :P05:58
jdongare they gnome files... because there's this new feature in kate.... j/k ;)05:58
Hobbseeno, they're standard c++ :P05:59
Hobbseeie http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/katebacktrace and http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/katebacktrace205:59
jdongdid you do a recent upgrade without logout/login?05:59
jdonghmm, that shouldn't do it...05:59
jdongi can't get my kate to crash on 3.5.506:00
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Hobbseeand 306:01
Hobbseethey're c++ files06:01
Hobbseejdong: http://online.mq.edu.au/pub/COMP125/assignments/ass/IPlist.h is one06:01
Hobbseeand also IPlist.cpp, which has the same thing in it06:01
jdongHobbsee: both opened just fine in kate06:01
Hobbseejdong: try ctrl+a, ctrl+s, ctrl+c06:02
Hobbseei've had it crashing doing the first two06:02
Hobbseejust hitting ctrl+s does it06:02
jdongah, got it!06:02
jdongtook all three, plus a mouse click06:02
Hobbseesometimes ctrl+a, and a click06:02
Hobbseeahhh...is that it06:02
jdongso Hobbsee, you're not crazy06:02
jdongthe click does it06:03
jdongwhen everything is selected and you click06:03
jdongsimilar traceback06:03
Hobbseethere's a backtrace3 there too06:03
jdongperhaps a 3.5.5 regression06:03
Hobbseewhat's weird is that it seems to only be those files.06:03
jdongyeah, I'm trying some other files06:04
jdongand it's not crashing06:04
Hobbseethat's really weird06:05
jdongwell, it's easily reproducable with those files06:05
jdongeither way, it's really late for me... I should really be sleeping06:06
jdongor I'll be really groggy tomorrow06:06
jdongwhich generally prompts me to throw fits at everyone in #u-d and #k-d06:06
jdongexpecially since bug 57872 hasn't been fixed yet HINT HINT HINT06:06
UbugtuMalone bug 57872 in gnome-power "regression: pressing power button no longer brings up logout dialog" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5787206:06
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Hobbseejdong: how's that abug?  :P06:07
lnxkdejdong : KDE 3.5.5 out?06:08
jdonglnxkde: developers only06:08
jdonglnxkde: not really intended for general usage06:08
lnxkdenice updates on it?06:08
jdonglnxkde: bugfixes06:08
jdongmost are unnoticeable06:08
jdongit's nothing to jump all over, honestly06:09
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orkid__keeping dreaming06:19
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Hobbseeboth kate *and* kwrite are unusable due to this bug.10:10
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crimsunHobbsee: you love emacs anyhow.10:32
Hobbseecrimsun: heh.  no, i want to copy and paste text with ease.10:32
Hobbseehey cool, there is a patch for it10:32
HobbseeRiddell: ping?10:33
Tm_THobbsee: yeah, though that crashing is weird, doesn't happen with kate if you select first the file from sidebar10:33
Tm_Tatleast didn't crash here after that routine10:33
HobbseeTm_T: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&m=116022418923427&w=210:33
Tm_Tthanks, I'll read that10:34
Hobbseewhich means i'm going to poke for it to be fixed, before i go mad.10:35
Tm_THobbsee: ok, can you try if what I just explained helps as temporary?10:35
Tm_Tor is that something different10:35
Tm_TI used Kate all yesterday night10:36
Tm_Twith no sigle crash10:36
Tm_Tsidebar = file list10:38
Tm_TI'm not at home so can't help more10:38
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HobbseeTm_T: well, if they've found the crash problem, and fixed it, that means that we can10:40
Tm_Tyes, but I mean as temporary workaround so you don't need to be without Katepart10:41
Tm_Tthis is workaround for you until it's repackaged10:41
Tm_Tto avoid ripping pants etc ;)10:41
HobbseeTm_T: at the moment, i cant even select the file nwo, without it crashing.10:42
Tm_TI wonder what's different in my system10:42
HobbseeTm_T: it only happens with certain files10:42
Tm_TI see10:43
Tm_Toh well, you can't win all the time ;)10:43
Tm_TI'll test it more when I get home10:44
xerosTm_T, Hobbsee: I found that kate crashes on my system only when I have files with first line empty10:49
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xeroswhen I put some characters in first line and even delete them later kate doesn't crash10:50
xerostoday evening I'll try new packages of kdebase and kdelibs for dapper - I've seen they have been repackaged yesterday evening10:51
Hobbseehmm.  kubuntu.org is down anyway10:51
xerosHobbsee: not for me, I'm downloading the dapper packages now10:52
Hobbseeinteresting.  they've been renamed10:53
xerosHobbsee: yes, they bacame too public and they were going private for developers and testers only10:55
Hobbseexeros: right...10:55
xerosI wonder when Riddell is going to build koffice 1.6 - it seems that the kde team is ready to publish them and now they have a week for packagers to make binary packages10:58
Hobbseedunno.  Riddell might not be the one to build them.  *shrug*10:59
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Hobbseehi el 11:02
elhi Hobbsee :)11:02
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Hobbseeright.  i'll stop whinging11:21
HobbseeRiddell's latest packages have fixed it.11:21
Hobbseebut they didnt have the versoin number bumped, so they didnt auto download.  grumble11:21
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xerosHobbsee: thanks, I found dapper updated packages but I missed edgy's packages. I reinstalled the kdelibs packages on edgy and it helped to me, too :)11:43
Hobbseenice :)11:43
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xeroshi Tonio_12:19
Hobbseehey Tonio_ 12:33
Tonio_hi Hobbsee :)12:35
HobbseeTonio_: so where's the kopete to try?12:36
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Tonio_Hobbsee: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org12:38
Tonio_Hobbsee: I'm waiting mdz to approve uvf exception request12:38
HobbseeTonio_: yeah, i saw that12:39
HobbseeTonio_: where's the deb of kopete, or is it not built yet?12:39
Tonio_Hobbsee: ?12:40
Tonio_let me check12:40
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Tonio_hum, looks like I removed it.... I only have the source package....12:41
Tonio_Hobbsee: let me reupload :)12:41
HobbseeTonio_: ahh :)12:41
Tonio_1 minute12:41
Tonio_Hobbsee: are you using knetworkmanager ?12:41
HobbseeTonio_: yep12:42
Tonio_I noticed I had issues since I use 3.5.512:42
Tonio_kdeinit fails to launch it on session restore12:42
Tonio_Hobbsee: never saw that problem ?12:42
Tonio_Hobbsee: in fact I have a blank space in the systray, but the icon never appears, and I have to kill the process and restart to get it working12:42
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HobbseeTonio_: i had problems before i redid the session config12:43
Hobbseeah yes...12:43
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Tonio_Hobbsee: how did you workarround ?12:43
Hobbseei've noticed that happening a couple of times though anyway, yeah12:43
Tonio_you manually save your session ?12:43
Tonio_Hobbsee: yes, it doesn't happen very often12:44
Tonio_for example on logout, it works12:44
HobbseeTonio_: i get an empty one, load what i want, then manually save that, adn load that12:44
Tonio_on shutdown and reboot, I have the issue12:44
Tonio_Hobbsee: the point is I don't know if that's a knm issue or a kdeinit one....12:44
Tonio_all I know is that the problem appeared with 3.5.512:45
HobbseeTonio_: true.  i never logout12:45
Tonio_Hobbsee: you should see kopete now12:45
Tonio_Hobbsee: I'll contact timo, we'll see12:45
Hobbseegetting it12:45
HobbseeTonio_: did you end up getting a changelog?12:48
Tonio_Hobbsee: I did something using the svn-changelog yes12:50
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Tm_Tis there any way to restrict usage of repository?01:12
Tonio_Tm_T: you can use apache or proftpd filtering systems01:14
Tonio_Tm_T: but apt doesn't support authentification01:15
Tonio_Tm_T: you can restrict by IP or domain, limit the download speed etc.......01:15
Tm_TTonio_: I'm talking about problems with kde-355 repository leaking to too public01:16
Tm_Tthat's just the curse of teh internet, everything know everything01:17
Tonio_Tm_T: well the only solution is probably to "deny from all" and allow our IP addresses manually01:17
Tm_TTonio_: tell that to riddell ;)01:17
Tonio_that can be made easy with a web interface writting a .htaccess file01:17
Tonio_Tm_T: hehe, I will :)01:18
RiddellI can't do that on the server01:18
Tonio_Riddell: ah...01:18
Tm_TI assumed so01:18
Tonio_Riddell: no write access ?01:18
Tm_Tthere should be some reasonable solution for that01:19
Riddellputting it at a less official URL should be fine01:19
Tonio_Riddell: how about a .htaccess file in 3.5.5 deb folder only01:19
Tonio_Riddell: that is not hard to...01:19
Riddellthat apache doesn't let me to do much in .htaccess 01:19
Tonio_Riddell: yes, htaccess needs to be activated in your virtualhost's config01:20
Tm_Tyou don't even have to mention that repository to people, they use browser01:20
Tonio_Riddell: is there a proftpd on the server ?01:20
Tonio_Riddell: .ftpaccess also exists :)01:20
Tonio_Riddell: then the best solution is a testing server, externalized01:21
Tonio_Riddell: you could use mine for example, I can handle it, no bandwidth issue01:21
Tm_TTonio_: apt-get can be piped thru ssh or some other autheticationed protocol?01:22
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Tonio_Tm_T: hum.... should be possible, but hard to handle in my opinion01:23
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Tm_TTonio_: auth in website -> automatically adds ip to allow list perhaps?01:24
Tonio_Riddell, Tm_T: I assume an https with key authentication would work also01:25
Hobbseedistrowatch published the repos?01:25
Tm_Tdunno but I have seen "noob users" who has no idea about testing had 3.5.5 and whined, so, somehow they've gone wild01:27
RiddellTonio_: apt doesn't do https01:28
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Hobbseeugh.  great.01:28
Riddellwe had a reporter in here?01:29
Tonio_Riddell: hum, yes I just saw that in the logs01:29
Tonio_the problem is that it isn't hard to find if you search a bit......01:29
HobbseeRiddell: someone was writing something about something.  *tries to get her brain to recall*01:29
Tonio_Riddell: how about removing dirlisting on that folder, to start ;)01:29
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Tonio_hi goldenear01:31
Tonio_goldenear: I packaged jabbin yesterday, fyi01:31
goldenearTonio_: great :)01:31
goldenearis it on a repository ?01:32
Tonio_goldenear: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org01:32
Hobbsee!seen silver_hook01:33
ubotuI last saw silver_hook (n=matija@BSN-61-66-55.dsl.siol.net) 1d 15h 31m 44s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection01:33
goldenearI'm going to try it right now ! :)01:33
HobbseeRiddell: do you have a name of the reporter on distrowatch?01:34
Tonio_Riddell: is there a mysql server on that machine ?01:35
Tonio_Riddell: we can do a quick php script that allow or not downloading according to the guy IP address01:36
RiddellHobbsee: no01:36
Tonio_and store them in a mysql database01:36
RiddellTonio_: it's not that important01:36
Tonio_Riddell: okay :)01:36
Hobbseeapparently this guy was from TUX.01:37
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RiddellHobbsee: when where?01:37
Tonio_imbrandon ping ?01:37
Hobbseeoh fsck....01:37
HobbseeRiddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/kubuntu-devel-2006-10-08.html - search for silver_hook01:38
HobbseeRiddell: i'd imagine for http://www.tuxmagazine.com/01:40
Hobbseeit's been mentioned in front of the guy, by people in the channel, including myself asking jucato to test it.  whether he's connected to distrowatch or something, i dont know.01:41
goldenearTonio_: do you want to try jabbin voip ?01:41
Riddelland fdoving gave him completely the wrong answer on where to get kopete01:42
Hobbseei told him properly later01:42
Hobbseethat's where i saw the guy, and found out he was a reporter01:42
Tonio_goldenear: I can't... my microphone doesn't work02:01
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goldenearTonio_: about that, I have found something strange yesterday: the mixer in kde is not as complete as alsamixer... and that's a problem for me02:02
goldenearindeed, the control to set my internal mic volume is not available in kmixer but it is in alsamixer02:03
goldenear(and the control reported as internal mic is kmixer is not the internal mic)02:03
Tonio_goldenear: report a bug at kde ;)02:05
goldenearI would like to find where this bug comes from first...02:06
goldenearTonio; I've found the bug. I guess it's also why your internal mic doesn't work:02:29
goldenear1) in kmix (and alsa mixer) I see two mic controls: internal mic and mic... internal mic is a wrong indication as both internal mic and the external mic jack use the mic control02:30
goldenearinternal mic is useless and should not be used! (and should not be displayed)02:31
goldenear2) mic volume as only effect on direct monitoring, not for recording (or voip)... the volume for recording is "capture"02:32
nuku3) "capture" in kmix does not change "capture" in alsamixer here :/02:35
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goldenearso to recorde something you have to set the record source (mic), set capture on and set the capture volume (mic volume as no effect on that and mic monitoring02:53
goldenear3) the same here :)02:53
goldenear3) seems to be the bug02:53
goldenearI've happy you can confirme it nuku :)02:54
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goldenearnuku: what sound chip do you have ?02:56
nukuICH6 / SigmaTel02:57
nukunot really clear why this happens ... as the capture mixer control has cvolume which looks correct02:59
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goldenearnuku: my sound chip is an intel hda (my computer is a centrino 2 laptop)03:09
goldenearso the issue may be with intel chips...03:09
goldenearCould someone with an other sound chip confirm the bug ?03:09
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jdonggoldenear: I have an intel hda. what's up?03:10
goldenearjdong: so I guess you have the same problem03:15
jdonggoldenear: what problem? I just came in03:15
goldenearcapture control in kmix as no effect03:15
goldenearbut capture volume control in alsamixer works03:16
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nukugoldenear: i think i have found the bug03:19
goldenearreally ?03:19
nukuthe curprit is that the capture device is tagged as canCapture and canRecord 03:19
nukubut the mixer is only added  if (canCapture && !canRecord) 03:20
goldenearseems logical03:21
nukulets see if it works when i comment this out :)03:21
Tonio_Riddell: I just notices about:konqueror went back to media:/ with your packages03:21
Tonio_Riddell: the very strange thing is that the patch is still there and applies correctly....03:21
Tonio_Riddell: any idea what got wrong ?03:21
nukuyes .. now i have all the mixers twice but one does work indeed.. :)03:21
Tonio_Riddell: I don't understand how that's possible03:22
Tonio_the patch is kubuntu_73_nomediaioslave_mounthelper.diff03:23
goldenearnuku: not very easy to fix..03:23
goldenearcapture control have to be managed differently than others then...03:24
goldenearan other possibility to fix this would be to set capture volume = capture source volume03:25
goldenearI mean if mic is selected for capture, then the mic volume control would set the capture volume control too.03:26
goldenear(and then it become useless to display the cature mixer is kmix)03:26
nukuhmm. well alsamixer does handle this in another way here.. mic volume does not have a slider just an capture flag.. the mic volume is only affected in playback...03:29
jdongwho do I subscribe to UVFe's?03:29
Riddelljdong: ubuntu-archive03:29
Riddellmm, maybe that's wrong actually03:30
jdongRiddell: thanks03:30
Riddellmdz and kamion03:30
jdongthe wiki's down...03:30
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goldenearnuku: the same for me... mic volume in alsamixer (and kmix) has only effect on playback03:31
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goldenearThat's why I suggest it could have effect on capture when mic is selected as capture source03:32
Riddelljdong: universe or main?03:33
jdongRiddell: main03:33
Riddellthat's the dudes03:34
Riddellbut also make sure you tell me the bug number too 03:34
jdongRiddell: bug 6506603:34
UbugtuMalone bug 65066 in ktorrent "UVF Exception Request: ktorrent 2.0.3" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6506603:34
nukugoldenear: well problem might be that other cards may allow setting a capture volume for mic.... so its not really easy to handle.. 03:34
jdonglook ok to you, Riddell?03:34
nukugoldenear: so matching alsamixer might be the cleanest solution i guess....03:35
goldenearnuku: indeed03:36
Riddelljdong: do you have debs to test?03:36
jdongRiddell: building them as we speak03:36
Hawkwindjdong: 2.0.3 for Dapper or Edgy ?03:40
HawkwindAhh, I'd guess Edgy since you requested UVF03:40
jdongHawkwind: first for edgy, then definitely I'll backport it to dapper03:41
jdonggrr, have to update my edgy pbuilder03:43
jdongstupid development release :)03:43
Hobbseehey now.  the newer kernel is good :)03:45
jdongyes,. but the constant need to refresh my pbuilder is not :)03:46
Hobbseemy system boots now, and doesnt regularly overheat quite so badly.  i'm not complaining.03:47
jdongEdgy's gonna be a nice release03:47
jdonggrr, KSS doesn't remember my DPMS timeout03:48
jdongacross logouts03:48
jdongthe bug's in malone03:48
jdonga fix is apparently committed03:48
jdongkde system settings03:48
jdongguidance, actually03:48
jdongthe display tool03:48
jdongI set a timeout of 2 minutes, logout, and it turns into 2 hours03:48
jdongthen it turns into 5 hours03:48
jdongmy computer wastes a bit more power each time I log in!03:49
jdongk, breakfast time03:49
jdongwill come back when shiny new ktorrent builds03:49
jdongand please tell me I'm not going crazy and it's actually a bug in guidance :)03:50
Hobbseeyou're going crazy.03:51
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abattoirjdong: i have that bug too03:58
jdongabattoir: awesome (in the sense that I'm not psycho)03:58
jdongRiddell: I'm uploading a tarball with source and deb packages for ktorrent 2.0.3 to the UVFe04:01
jdongI'm testing them now , and they work great for me04:01
jdongif others want to help me test it out, that'd be great04:02
jdongshould show up on bug 65066 as soon as it finishes uploading04:02
UbugtuMalone bug 65066 in ktorrent "UVF Exception Request: ktorrent 2.0.3" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6506604:02
jdongwhich would be now :)04:02
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claydohsuch time and effort i wasted :)04:03
claydohbut I will test your deb post haste04:04
jdongsorry claydoh :)04:07
jdongclaydoh: I already said earlier that I was building them :D04:07
claydohdon't be shoulda figgered someone would be on this04:07
claydohpluys I didn't check in here 04:08
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jdongthere's not terribly much groundbreaking in the new point release04:09
jdongmost of the important fixes I've already isolated as 2.0.2-0ubuntu204:09
jdongbut there is a private tracker cheating bug that's been fixed in 2.0.304:09
jdongreally annoying if you belong to one of those private trackers04:09
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Riddellxeros: are you doing some sort of weird query thing?04:12
Riddellkoffice needs testing ** deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/not-koffice-16/ edgy main04:16
jdongsomething like koffice-16-developers-only might work better04:17
jdongor even koffice-16.broken.and.will.delete.data :)04:17
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Tonio_Riddell: testing koffice04:32
Tonio_Riddell: any idea if kde uvf er will be accepted ? just to know :)04:34
Hobbseejdong: koffice-16-on-crack :P04:34
RiddellTonio_: we need to wait for mdz to wake up04:34
HobbseeRiddell: try calling him :P04:35
Tonio_Riddell: hehe04:35
Riddellkoffice seems good to me04:36
Tonio_Riddell: yes, except I now have 3 krita entries in kmenu :)04:36
Tonio_one in graphics, and two in office04:36
RiddellI have one in graphics and one in office04:37
nukui have two in graphics and one in office :)04:38
Tonio_nuku: hehe :)04:40
Tonio_Riddell: looks like there is 2 different desktop files, since the desc is different04:40
Tm_Tthere was commit related to it04:41
Tm_TSVN commit 594164 by berger: make krita appears in the "open with" menu and appears only once in the kmenu04:42
Tm_Tthis was in 1.6 branch04:42
Tonio_Riddell: the "shouldn't be there file" is kde-krita_jpeg.desktop04:44
Tonio_this is the one that appears twice in the menus here04:44
Tonio_Riddell: /usr/share/applnk/Office/krita_jpeg.desktop04:45
Tm_Tthose should be installed to .hidden gategory iirc04:46
Tonio_Tm_T: even more simple, patching the desktop file to hide04:47
nukuwasn't it NoDisplay=true?04:48
Tonio_nuku: both work04:49
nukui see04:49
Tonio_nuku: but yeah, the common way is NoDisplay04:49
Tm_TTonio_: heh, that works too :p04:51
Tonio_Tm_T: hehe, yes, that's a kde secret, but shhhhh, nobody should know !!!04:51
Tonio_I just think Hidden is more logic and simple04:52
Tonio_imbrandon are you there ?04:53
nukuyes Hidden sounds more intuitive :)04:54
Tonio_Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/2405:01
Tonio_Riddell: in case you want the patch :)05:01
Tonio_others krita_*.desktop have the NoDisplay tag05:02
Tonio_haha, just read jono bacon story ;)05:03
Tonio_amazing that joining a channel can result a d-line on freenode05:04
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Tm_TTonio_: ?05:22
Tm_TTonio_: where what story?05:22
Tonio_Tm_T: on planet ubuntu05:23
Tm_TI see, read it too ;) ->05:24
Tonio_Tm_T: fancy testing this ? -> #asdfg05:27
seaLnecan any kmail imap users do me a favour and start an email then save it as a draft and tell me if it saves in the imap drafts folder and local drafts aswell?05:28
Tonio_seaLne: one sec05:28
Tonio_seaLne: local05:28
seaLneit saves it in the imap drafts aswell for me, strange05:29
seaLnedo you have a drafts folder defined in your identity?05:29
Tonio_seaLne: nope05:29
seaLnemine is set to be on imap05:30
seaLneidentity-> modify -> advanced -> drafts folder05:30
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Tonio__Sime: ping (for when you're arround)05:33
nukuseaLne: works here as it should be... drafts are only stored in the imap folder05:34
nukuseaLne: KMail Version 1.9.5 btw05:35
seaLneah i'm still 1.9.405:35
seaLneit will be interesting to see if that makes a difference as this has happened previously for me05:36
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nukuseaLne: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/3_5_5/kdepim.txt can't find anything related there ..05:38
seaLnei think if it is fixed its just something weird that causes it05:40
nukuat least its better than loosing the mail at all :)05:41
seaLneyep :)05:42
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sebasIs the kate crash fixed, if so, where are the packages now? :-)06:11
Riddellyes, packages at not-kde-35506:12
Riddellyou have to delete your cache and use --reinstall06:13
Tm_Thmm, ok, was that crash involved to file starting with empty line?06:15
Tm_Tcause I had just crash, everything was ok until I clicked line with text :p06:15
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DaSkreechHi bddebian06:29
bddebianHeya DaSkreech06:30
sebasWhen's UDS Mountainview exactly?06:31
sebasthx4repo@riddell, too06:46
Riddellsebas: which one?06:47
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Tonio_Riddell: talking about that, I contacted canonical's agent, but didn't receive any response yet.... I will have to make my own arrangement, probably06:51
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Luresebas: seen bug 64978? We should probably be more conservative regarding the choosen battery icon...07:18
UbugtuMalone bug 64978 in kde-guidance "powermanager icon sometimes shows fully charged when not" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6497807:18
Luresebas: any ideas on memory leak issue - see bug 6496907:20
UbugtuMalone bug 64969 in kde-guidance "kde-guidance-powermanager applet leaks memory rapidly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6496907:20
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sebasLure: I agree that we should use the full battery icon only when we're really near-full07:27
sebasAnd now with your explanation, I finally understand the point of this BR07:27
Luresebas: ok, I can change this 07:27
sebasSure, go ahead.07:27
sebasI was thinking about the same.07:27
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sebasNote that my notebook sometimes finishes at 98% with loading, and that's desirable behaviour07:28
sebasIf  I unplug it at 100% and then replug it at 98%, it should not start loading again, since that would wear out the battery too much with too little benefit07:28
Luresebas: yes, this is why I would to 5% less then the battery icon level (55 for 60, 95 for 100, 35 for 40...)07:28
sebasSo I gues > 95% is a good choice07:28
sebasAnd then stretch the middle field some more07:28
Luresebas: but we cannot control charging/dischaging - this is done by HW07:29
sebasgoing red at 38% is overdone as well (that's > 1h on my notebook)07:29
sebasNo, we can't indeed.07:29
sebasMy point was that 98% is 'full enough' for the full icon07:29
Luresebas: right07:29
sebasI'll have a look now if I can find anything that could cause the memleak (are we appending to some list endlessly in the poll code? for example)07:31
Luresebas: another point - we never display empty battery at all as we have it at 2%, which is probably below critical level (when most have auto hibernate on)07:33
sebasLure: Ah, right.07:33
sebasDo that <10%, maybe?07:33
Luresebas: I am thinking about 20% for red and 7-10% for empty07:34
Luremaybe even 5 would be better than 2 as it is now07:34
Luresebas: you laptop goes red on 38%? in code it is 20%...?07:35
sebasLure: 18% then ;)07:35
sebasToo early anyway, I've 4hrs07:35
Luresebas: ok, then lets try 5 (empty) and 15 (red)07:36
sebasSounds good07:36
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sebasLure: Change looks good07:46
sebasAnd it feels even better =)07:46
Luresebas: funny is that I did not notice it until I read the report today ;-) - it looks like we are looking into powermanger too much ;-)07:47
sebasLure: I had a feeling of it not being quite what I want, but did not really consider it because it would not be mathematically correct07:48
sebasThis way it makes much more sense07:48
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sebasLure: pychecker is quite nice, btw.07:50
Luresebas: newer used it for powermanager yet, but I know as I am pushing my developers at work to use it ;-)07:51
sebasLure: If did a quick check, but I'm hesitant to fix lots of warnings right before a release07:51
sebasI'll do a later run and fix things, after Edgy is out07:52
sebasMaybe we can even integrate it into the EBN07:52
Luresebas: I would fix the obvious ones and we can get some testers from svn in this channel07:52
sebasLure: I didn't see anything critical, some dead code, some warnings, lots of crap in dcopext :-)07:53
_SimeTonio_: pong07:53
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sebasI'm afk for a bit07:53
Luresebas: true, not much to be concerned too much...07:54
Lureanybody here knows how can I get rights to change Importance of bugs (at least for some packages like kde-guidance, kdeadmin, knetworkmanager...)07:55
sebas_Sime: Sunday's my birthday, drop in for a drink if you've time :)07:55
_SimeseaLne: 30?07:55
_Simesebas: 30?07:55
sebas(That goes for everyone here, actually, though I doubt many live in an acceptable distance to drop by )07:56
sebas_Sime: Hm, 30 yeah :D07:56
sebasI'm not realising this yet07:56
_Simesebas: I thought you were a little bit closer to my age...07:56
sebas_Sime: Which is how much exactly?07:56
_Simesebas: Are you going away for the weekend?07:57
_Simesebas: I'm 9 months old than you.07:57
sebasDon't think so, I planned to go to Stuttgart but I prefer some time at home after all the travelling lately07:57
sebas_Sime: That's *nothing* :D07:57
trappistLure: members of ubuntu-qa can do that07:58
sebasUhm, Saturday is my birthday, the 14th07:58
sebasI'm off for a bit now, laters!07:58
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Luretrappist: thanks - have joined, hope I get accepted (is there any page how to get accepted)?07:59
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Luresebas: what is your feeling about bug 64053? should we workaround for this user? (for example, my noname desktop properly claims "desktop")08:03
UbugtuMalone bug 64053 in kde-guidance "does not recognize ibook as a laptop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6405308:03
trappistLure: you get sfflaw (there's one other guy who can do it, I forget his name) to bless you08:04
gnomefreaktrappist: sfflaw does it dh... can do it but normally he sends people to sfflaw08:05
trappistLure: you'll be expected to have read, understood, accepted, meditated on and embraced https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/CommonTasks08:06
Luretrappist: I have done this in Dapper time...08:06
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sebasLure: How about we do something like if formfactor == "laptop" or powermanage.hasBattery():  ... ?08:13
Luresebas: that is probably better, only problem is when battery is not present (temporarily)08:14
sebasLure: Hm, dunno08:17
sebasCheck for more "laptop-specific items"?08:17
sebasSuch as hasAC ?08:17
Luresebas: I would not trust hasAC (see also bug 64933)08:19
UbugtuMalone bug 64933 in kde-guidance "Tooltip when on battery" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6493308:19
sebasWe cannot trust HAL08:20
Lureto all: any user here with machine that reports anything else as "laptop" or "desktop" when executing "lshal | grep formfactor"08:20
Lureparticularly ppc users...08:20
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imbrandonLure, my ppc says 'unknown'08:21
Lureimbrandon: laptop or desktop or server ;-)?08:21
imbrandonlaptop ( ibook )08:21
Lureimbrandon: so you can confirm bug 6405308:21
UbugtuMalone bug 64053 in kde-guidance "does not recognize ibook as a laptop" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6405308:21
sebasimbrandon: lshal |g ac|g adapter ?08:22
sebasalias g="grep" of course08:23
imbrandonand confirmed Lure08:23
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fdovingRiddell: what is the proper way of getting kopete 0.12.2 for dapper? i can see the source in dapper-backports, but not the binaries.08:33
Lureimbrandon: what is output of "lshal | grep ac_adapter08:34
imbrandonsorry was afk one sec08:39
imbrandonfdoving, its in binary NEW ( but i have it in my repo if you wish to have it )  deb http://imbrandon.com/packages dapper kopete08:39
fdovingimbrandon, i know you have it, i just have a message in my awaylog, by riddel, saying i told some-guy the totaly wrong way of getting kopete 0.12.2.. and i gave him your repo.08:40
fdovingthat was for dapper that is.08:41
imbrandonlure , ac_adapter.present = true , info.capabilities and info.category08:41
imbrandonfdoving, ahh08:41
jdongfdoving: urg, I think I need to request a re-backport of kopete08:42
fdovinghe was a reporter for tuxmagazine.org, so i'm sorry if he published the repo links without contacting you. i told him it would be a good idea to ask you before publishing though.08:42
fdovingjdong: probably :)08:42
jdongfdoving: that backport was done when the infrastructure was half-broken....08:42
imbrandonjdong, no its backported , its just in binary NEW08:42
jdongso I think the binaries ended up in a black hole :)08:42
jdongimbrandon: I asked kamion a while back to take them out of binary new08:43
jdongand he said that he did it08:43
jdongand it's still not there08:43
jdonganyway, that needs to be followed up on08:43
imbrandonwell its still there, i'm looking right at it08:44
jdongimbrandon: ah, ok, I didn't know that existed in LP08:44
nukuoh btw the packages.ubuntu.com page is missing the dapper-backports in the distribution dropdown box :)08:44
jdongnuku: I've poked him about it before, and he didn't respond... maybe you should try :)08:45
imbrandonnuku, cool , and i'm sure you filed a bug against ubuntu-web right ? hehe08:45
jdongimbrandon: can you be my ktorrent uploader? :)08:46
jdongimbrandon: bug 6506608:46
UbugtuMalone bug 65066 in ktorrent "UVF Exception Request: ktorrent 2.0.3" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6506608:46
jdongjust approved08:46
nukuerm actually i did not file a bug.. just happend to see it some time ago but as i am using edgy now i forgot about it ;)08:46
imbrandonnuku, https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website/+filebug08:47
imbrandonjdong, sure i will get to it tonight , DO NOT ASK 2 PEOPLE THIS TIME PLEASE08:47
jdongassign the bug to yourself so we don't run into that again :)08:48
jdongI didn't actually ask the second person last time.... he kind of found it on his own :)08:48
imbrandonheh, ok , i'm off for 3 hours or so, bbian08:49
fdovingsee you.08:51
Riddellfdoving: it should be backports08:51
Riddellif it's not there we need to poke jdong 08:52
fdovingok, he knows about it now.08:52
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jdongRiddell: I've poked kamion about it.. it's in the NEW queue08:52
fdovingi guess the TUX guys are better off with imbrandons packages than compiling from backports sources.08:52
imbrandonfdoving, ah yea i talked to the TUX reporter directly08:53
fdovingimbrandon, good :)08:53
imbrandoni set him up witht the backports way08:53
imbrandonit will be out of the NEW que by the time its published08:53
Riddelljdong: didn't know backports had a n queue08:54
imbrandoni thought you wanted it "right now"08:54
fdovingi thought -he- wanted it "right now".08:54
imbrandonRiddell, yea it gets stuck in BINARY new 08:54
imbrandonin dapper08:54
imbrandonRiddell, see konversation , libvisual, etc etc etc are all still stuck https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+queue08:55
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Riddellimbrandon: humph09:00
Tm_Tanyone know way to disable that "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:" etc from apt-get, it's just extra noise I don't need09:00
Tm_Trather have it behind separate command09:01
nixternalsudo apt-get autoclean09:01
imbrandonRiddell, my thoughts exactly, i just realized it today09:01
nixternalautoremove rather09:01
Tm_Tnoo, I won't do that09:01
imbrandonnixternal, yea but alot of those i still want, mine reports xorg ;)09:01
nixternalmine took kubuntu desktop..so i just reinstalled it09:02
nixternalthat fixed a lot of bugs of mine too09:02
Tm_Tlinux-headers-2.6.17-9 linux-headers-2.6.17-9-generic python-libxml2 python-dbus linux-generic09:02
nixternalalthough i am back to pressiing alt+f7 to fire up kdm again09:02
Tm_Tthat what it offers to me ;)09:02
nixternalhrmm..i love the /cmd in konversation09:03
Tm_Tnixternal: /exec in irssi09:03
jdong /cmd find /?09:03
imbrandonnixternal, you should really install linux-generic09:03
nixternalimbrandon: difference is big?09:04
nixternalthat is default with the -38609:04
imbrandonok really gone bbiab, yea big diff 09:04
nixternalroger that09:04
nixternalwill do now09:04
jdongnixternal: you should use generic09:04
fdovingTm_T: apt-get unmarkauto packagename'09:04
Tm_Tnixternal: difference is many letters in package names ;)09:04
Tm_Tfdoving: ooh thanks09:04
Tm_Tthough that's only workaround09:05
fdovingTm_T: 'apt-mark unmarkauto packagename' that is.09:05
nixternali have been so busy with school crap the past 2 weeks i kind of fell off here a little bit09:05
Tm_TI can't get that list back later, right?09:05
fdovingyou can take a look at /var/lib/apt/extended_states09:06
fdovingi'm not sure.09:06
fdovingyou can always backup the file :)09:06
Tm_Tsounds stupid09:06
Tm_Tall I want is apt-get to show them only by demand09:06
fdovingah.. i don't know if that is possible.09:07
xerosLure:   system.formfactor = 'unknown'  (string)09:07
Tm_Tsounds stupid09:07
Lurexeros: what kind of machine?09:07
fdovingTm_T: unmarkauto will remove the 'auto-installed' tag in /var/lib/apt/extended_states for the package.09:07
Tm_Tbecause, haven't seen any other app screaming all the time some thing like "these you don't need anymore?!"09:07
Tm_Tfdoving: yeah, so nogo09:08
xerosLure: desktop - p4 ht09:09
Lurexeros: "lshal | grep ac_adapter"09:10
xerosLure: nothing09:10
Tm_Tfdoving: but thanks09:11
Lurexeros: good - thanks for testing this09:11
xerosLure: and it's not edgy but dapper, sorry09:11
Lurexeros: does not make a difference really (hal is not that different)09:11
fdovingTm_T: no problem, i'll continue investigating this, it's very annoying when you actually use apt-get alot. (as i do).09:12
xerosLure: I use dapper on desktop at home and edgy on laptop at work09:12
fdovingTm_T: are you aware of 'apt-get remove --auto-remove <pkg>' ? will remove deps.. like aptitude does :)09:14
xerosLure: it seems that my laptop with edgy is recognized properly - I used Kubuntu Device Database and it send info as laptop, power management seems to work properly there, too - it's HP compaq nx9005 with Athlon XP Mobile 2500+ (Barton)09:14
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Lurexeros: it is only problem with ppc laptops (it seems, due to missing dmidecode) and they are reported as unknown (same as your desktop)09:15
Luresebas: you were right - hasBattery() is OK, as it now reports also true even if no battery is present (but there is battery bay for primary battery) - this was changed with my mult-battery refactoring09:18
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Luresebas: so I will do: return properties["system.formfactor"]  == "laptop" or self.hasBattery09:18
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fdovingTm_T: there is no setting to just get rid of the message, but you can have apt-get automatically remove the packages for you, if you set APT::Get::AutomaticRemove "true"; in apt.conf :)09:56
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Tm_Tfdoving: but that's exactly what I don't want10:05
fdovingi understand that. but i guess you'll have to make a patch for apt then :)10:06
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Tm_TI start to hate Kword10:20
Tm_Tthis is ridicolous, 1) write text 2) change font & colour settings 3) write more text 4) repeat 2 and 310:20
Tm_Tand, without changing text colour, I'm looking white text in white background10:20
Tm_TBah, I give up, back to forking Kopete. ->10:25
abattoirTm_T: i'm looking at black text in a black bg ;)10:25
abattoirTm_T: hi, btw :P10:26
Tm_They :)10:26
Tm_Thmm, abattoir, like to test something?10:29
abattoirTm_T: sure, what?10:29
Tm_Tabattoir: open files in kate, close, reopen it and see if those files appear in "Open recent" list10:30
abattoirTm_T: yes, they work as expected here10:32
abattoirTm_T: i have 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu110:33
Tm_Tsame ofcourse10:35
Tm_Tabattoir: check package date from /var/cache/apt/archives/10:35
abattoirTm_T: i dont think i'd have the packages from not-kde... if it was updated there10:36
Tm_Tabattoir: iirc it is updated there10:36
Tm_T2006-10-04 21:28 says mine10:37
abattoirTm_T: i'm sure mine is after that, let me double-check10:37
abattoir05-10 02:2810:37
abattoir(DD-MM HH:MM ofcourse)10:38
abattoirhh:mm rather :P10:38
abattoireveryone has access to not-kde-355? or do you need to have your IP in a list or something?10:42
_SimeSo, will Edgy get KDE 3.5.5?10:46
Tm_Tabattoir: iirc no10:46
Lure_Sime: not sure yet - I think Riddell is waiting for approval from mdz10:50
RiddellLure: I got it, I'll upload tonight11:03
LureRiddell: great 11:03
fdovingapproval for 3.5.5?11:05
fdovingthen maybe i should stop compiling on the ibook :)11:05
fdovingimbrandon: how did your crosscompiling project go? 11:06
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Tonio_Riddell: mdz approved kopete, I'm uploading it11:14
imbrandontonio .......11:21
imbrandonbah never mind11:21
imbrandonso nice of him to check the channel log and/or bug report that he scorned me about last time11:23
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DaSkreech imbrandon: Just checking what happened with podcasts?11:24
imbrandonDaSkreech, me and sladen been super busy with other things11:24
DaSkreechCool As expected :)11:24
imbrandonthey will resume probbably after edgy's release11:25
imbrandonjdong, query11:26
imbrandonfdoving, good actualy, i got it all working ( mostly )11:26
imbrandonfdoving, sometime tonight i'll post some details on my blog11:26
fdovinglooking forward to it :)11:27
imbrandoni just got in and am catching up on mail etc11:27
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