[01:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: kubuntu-meta with kipi-plugins uploade
[01:00] <Tonio_> +d
[01:01] <Riddell> ok
[01:01] <Riddell> which reminds me I need to fix k-d-s for accessibility
[01:05] <Tonio_> ah, what are the changes you'll provide ?
[01:06] <Riddell> spelling fixes
[01:06] <imbrandon> hum what provides /usr/local/include/qt4/Qt/qobject.h
[01:07] <Riddell> nothing, it's in /usr/local
[01:08] <imbrandon> well the qt4 headers
[01:08] <imbrandon> checking for Qt headers in default path... trying different pathes
[01:08] <imbrandon> checking for /usr/local/include/qt4/Qt/qobject.h... not found
[01:08] <imbrandon> ...
[01:08] <imbrandon> qt4-dev ?
[01:09] <nuku> more libqt4-dev i guess
[01:11] <Riddell> nothing will be in /usr/local
[01:11] <Riddell> really
[01:11] <Riddell> if it depends on being in /usr/local is broken
[01:11] <imbrandon> yea it was looking there becouse i dident have it in /usr/lib/qt4
[01:12] <imbrandon> i installed libqt4-dev and it foudn them
[01:12] <imbrandon> found*
[01:21] <imbrandon> oh wow this sucks
[01:23] <Riddell> imbrandon: what are you doing with python-kde?
[01:24] <imbrandon> well i /was/ going to make a dist-upgrader in php-qt becouse i already know php very well , but the php-qt segfaults too much SO i'm looking at taclking it in python
[01:24] <imbrandon> since that seems to be the thing now-a-days
[01:25] <imbrandon> but my python isnt all that great , thus trying php-qt first
[01:26] <Riddell> err, the blocker with upgrade tool is the lack of embedded konsole in pykde
[01:26] <imbrandon> whatcha think ?
[01:26] <Riddell> best help would be packaging the latest pykde to see if the embedded konsole works
[01:27] <Riddell> it needs a switch passed to it to turn on embedded konsole
[01:27] <imbrandon> ok will do
[01:27] <imbrandon> i thought the new one was already in
[01:27] <imbrandon> kk
[01:27] <Riddell> no
[01:27] <imbrandon> pykde3 right ( not 4 )
[01:29] <nuku> may i suggest ruby? libkonsolepart works fine there with korundum ;-)
[01:30] <imbrandon> nuku, well i know -0- ruby tbh, leaste i know c++ well ( too long to develop ) php well ( php-qt sucks ) and python a little 
[01:30] <imbrandon> that and all the python libs are already in the distro ;)
[01:31] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes, pykde3
[01:31] <Riddell> nuku: no, it's written in python
[01:32] <nuku> ok python kde binding beeing in main is an argument :)
[01:32] <imbrandon> ahh yea ok, got the new version , packaing it up now, seems we had a svn snapshot before
[01:32] <Riddell> it being written in python is the larger argument
[01:33] <nuku> no point in starting a discussion there anyway as it seem :)
[01:34] <nuku> just stroked through my mind that korundum is really nice :)
[01:35] <imbrandon> yea i checked it out when the markey said something but the thought of learning a new lang isnt high on my list atm ;)
[01:35] <imbrandon> nuku, ^
[01:35] <nuku> yeah so it will be :)
[02:20] <imbrandon> ugh python-kde3 ( even the old one ) is ftbs
[02:57] <Tonio_> re
[02:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you remove kde 3.5.5 from your repo ?
[02:57] <Tonio_> I have to patch ark since the ark-part desktop file is broken...
[03:14] <jjesse> hux
[03:14] <jjesse> quick question, in the logout menu does hibernate only show in laptop users or does it show for everyone in edgy
[03:16] <freeflying> jjesse: to me, hibernate can't show on my ibook, but has on my desktop computer
[03:21] <imbrandon_> Tonio_: no its moved to not-kde-355 since someone leaked it
[03:21] <jjesse> freeflying: thanks for answering my question
[03:21] <imbrandon_> jjesse: it only shows on computers that support it afaik
[03:21] <jjesse> imbrandon_: thanks
[03:22] <Tonio_> imbrandonwhat 'leaked' means ?
[03:22] <jjesse> what was leaked?
[03:26] <imbrandon_> Tonio_: someone told the public about the url
[03:26] <Tonio_> ah okay
[04:03] <jjesse> join #ichthuzx
[04:03] <jjesse> doh
[05:01] <freeflying> kde bug #391672
[05:56] <Hobbsee> what the...
[05:56] <Hobbsee> my kate is crashing like crazy.
[05:57] <crimsun> well if you stopped poking it...
[05:57] <jdong> Hobbsee: your kate is krashing liKe krazy?
[05:57] <Hobbsee> and it's crashed again...
[05:58] <Hobbsee> look, i'm just trying to open the files :P
[05:58] <jdong> are they gnome files... because there's this new feature in kate.... j/k ;)
[05:59] <Hobbsee> no, they're standard c++ :P
[05:59] <Hobbsee> http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/
[05:59] <Hobbsee> ie http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/katebacktrace and http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/katebacktrace2
[05:59] <jdong> did you do a recent upgrade without logout/login?
[05:59] <Hobbsee> k-d-s?
[05:59] <jdong> hmm, that shouldn't do it...
[06:00] <jdong> i can't get my kate to crash on 3.5.5
[06:00] <jdong> hmm
[06:01] <Hobbsee> and 3
[06:01] <Hobbsee> they're c++ files
[06:01] <Hobbsee> jdong: http://online.mq.edu.au/pub/COMP125/assignments/ass/IPlist.h is one
[06:01] <Hobbsee> and also IPlist.cpp, which has the same thing in it
[06:01] <jdong> Hobbsee: both opened just fine in kate
[06:02] <Hobbsee> jdong: try ctrl+a, ctrl+s, ctrl+c
[06:02] <Hobbsee> i've had it crashing doing the first two
[06:02] <Hobbsee> just hitting ctrl+s does it
[06:02] <jdong> ah, got it!
[06:02] <jdong> took all three, plus a mouse click
[06:02] <Hobbsee> sometimes ctrl+a, and a click
[06:02] <Hobbsee> ahhh...is that it
[06:02] <jdong> so Hobbsee, you're not crazy
[06:03] <jdong> the click does it
[06:03] <jdong> when everything is selected and you click
[06:03] <jdong> similar traceback
[06:03] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:03] <Hobbsee> there's a backtrace3 there too
[06:03] <jdong> hmm
[06:03] <jdong> perhaps a 3.5.5 regression
[06:03] <Hobbsee> what's weird is that it seems to only be those files.
[06:04] <jdong> yeah, I'm trying some other files
[06:04] <jdong> and it's not crashing
[06:05] <Hobbsee> that's really weird
[06:05] <jdong> well, it's easily reproducable with those files
[06:05] <jdong> :-/
[06:06] <jdong> either way, it's really late for me... I should really be sleeping
[06:06] <jdong> or I'll be really groggy tomorrow
[06:06] <jdong> which generally prompts me to throw fits at everyone in #u-d and #k-d
[06:06] <jdong> expecially since bug 57872 hasn't been fixed yet HINT HINT HINT
[06:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57872 in gnome-power "regression: pressing power button no longer brings up logout dialog" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57872
[06:07] <Hobbsee> jdong: how's that abug?  :P
[06:08] <lnxkde> jdong : KDE 3.5.5 out?
[06:08] <jdong> lnxkde: developers only
[06:08] <jdong> lnxkde: not really intended for general usage
[06:08] <lnxkde> nice updates on it?
[06:08] <jdong> lnxkde: bugfixes
[06:08] <jdong> most are unnoticeable
[06:08] <lnxkde> :)
[06:09] <jdong> it's nothing to jump all over, honestly
[06:19] <orkid__> keeping dreaming
[10:10] <Hobbsee> GAHHHHHHH!
[10:10] <Hobbsee> both kate *and* kwrite are unusable due to this bug.
[10:32] <crimsun> Hobbsee: you love emacs anyhow.
[10:32] <Hobbsee> crimsun: heh.  no, i want to copy and paste text with ease.
[10:32] <Hobbsee> hey cool, there is a patch for it
[10:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping?
[10:33] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: yeah, though that crashing is weird, doesn't happen with kate if you select first the file from sidebar
[10:33] <Tm_T> atleast didn't crash here after that routine
[10:33] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&m=116022418923427&w=2
[10:34] <Tm_T> thanks, I'll read that
[10:34] <Tm_T> hmm
[10:34] <Tm_T> interesting
[10:35] <Hobbsee> which means i'm going to poke for it to be fixed, before i go mad.
[10:35] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: ok, can you try if what I just explained helps as temporary?
[10:35] <Tm_T> or is that something different
[10:36] <Tm_T> I used Kate all yesterday night
[10:36] <Tm_T> with no sigle crash
[10:38] <Tm_T> sidebar = file list
[10:38] <Tm_T> I'm not at home so can't help more
[10:40] <Tm_T> thanks
[10:40] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: well, if they've found the crash problem, and fixed it, that means that we can
[10:41] <Tm_T> yes, but I mean as temporary workaround so you don't need to be without Katepart
[10:41] <Tm_T> this is workaround for you until it's repackaged
[10:41] <Tm_T> to avoid ripping pants etc ;)
[10:42] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: at the moment, i cant even select the file nwo, without it crashing.
[10:42] <Tm_T> wow
[10:42] <Tm_T> I wonder what's different in my system
[10:42] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: it only happens with certain files
[10:43] <Tm_T> I see
[10:43] <Tm_T> oh well, you can't win all the time ;)
[10:44] <Tm_T> I'll test it more when I get home
[10:49] <xeros> Tm_T, Hobbsee: I found that kate crashes on my system only when I have files with first line empty
[10:50] <xeros> when I put some characters in first line and even delete them later kate doesn't crash
[10:51] <xeros> today evening I'll try new packages of kdebase and kdelibs for dapper - I've seen they have been repackaged yesterday evening
[10:51] <Hobbsee> hmm.  kubuntu.org is down anyway
[10:52] <xeros> Hobbsee: not for me, I'm downloading the dapper packages now
[10:53] <Hobbsee> interesting.  they've been renamed
[10:55] <xeros> Hobbsee: yes, they bacame too public and they were going private for developers and testers only
[10:55] <Hobbsee> xeros: right...
[10:58] <xeros> I wonder when Riddell is going to build koffice 1.6 - it seems that the kde team is ready to publish them and now they have a week for packagers to make binary packages
[10:59] <Hobbsee> dunno.  Riddell might not be the one to build them.  *shrug*
[11:02] <Hobbsee> hi el 
[11:02] <el> hi Hobbsee :)
[11:21] <Hobbsee> right.  i'll stop whinging
[11:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell's latest packages have fixed it.
[11:21] <Hobbsee> but they didnt have the versoin number bumped, so they didnt auto download.  grumble
[11:43] <xeros> Hobbsee: thanks, I found dapper updated packages but I missed edgy's packages. I reinstalled the kdelibs packages on edgy and it helped to me, too :)
[11:43] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[12:17] <Tonio_> hi
[12:19] <xeros> hi Tonio_
[12:33] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_ 
[12:35] <Tonio_> hi Hobbsee :)
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: so where's the kopete to try?
[12:38] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org
[12:38] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm waiting mdz to approve uvf exception request
[12:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah, i saw that
[12:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: where's the deb of kopete, or is it not built yet?
[12:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ?
[12:40] <Tonio_> let me check
[12:41] <Tonio_> hum, looks like I removed it.... I only have the source package....
[12:41] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: let me reupload :)
[12:41] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ahh :)
[12:41] <Tonio_> 1 minute
[12:41] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: are you using knetworkmanager ?
[12:42] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yep
[12:42] <Tonio_> I noticed I had issues since I use 3.5.5
[12:42] <Tonio_> kdeinit fails to launch it on session restore
[12:42] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: never saw that problem ?
[12:42] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: in fact I have a blank space in the systray, but the icon never appears, and I have to kill the process and restart to get it working
[12:43] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i had problems before i redid the session config
[12:43] <Hobbsee> ah yes...
[12:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: how did you workarround ?
[12:43] <Hobbsee> i've noticed that happening a couple of times though anyway, yeah
[12:43] <Tonio_> you manually save your session ?
[12:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes, it doesn't happen very often
[12:44] <Tonio_> for example on logout, it works
[12:44] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i get an empty one, load what i want, then manually save that, adn load that
[12:44] <Tonio_> on shutdown and reboot, I have the issue
[12:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the point is I don't know if that's a knm issue or a kdeinit one....
[12:45] <Tonio_> all I know is that the problem appeared with 3.5.5
[12:45] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: true.  i never logout
[12:45] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:45] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: you should see kopete now
[12:45] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll contact timo, we'll see
[12:45] <Hobbsee> getting it
[12:48] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: did you end up getting a changelog?
[12:50] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I did something using the svn-changelog yes
[01:12] <Tm_T> is there any way to restrict usage of repository?
[01:14] <Tonio_> Tm_T: you can use apache or proftpd filtering systems
[01:15] <Tonio_> Tm_T: but apt doesn't support authentification
[01:15] <Tonio_> Tm_T: you can restrict by IP or domain, limit the download speed etc.......
[01:16] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I'm talking about problems with kde-355 repository leaking to too public
[01:17] <Tm_T> that's just the curse of teh internet, everything know everything
[01:17] <Tonio_> Tm_T: well the only solution is probably to "deny from all" and allow our IP addresses manually
[01:17] <Tm_T> heh
[01:17] <Tm_T> Tonio_: tell that to riddell ;)
[01:17] <Tonio_> that can be made easy with a web interface writting a .htaccess file
[01:18] <Tonio_> Tm_T: hehe, I will :)
[01:18] <Riddell> I can't do that on the server
[01:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah...
[01:18] <Tm_T> I assumed so
[01:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: no write access ?
[01:19] <Tm_T> there should be some reasonable solution for that
[01:19] <Riddell> putting it at a less official URL should be fine
[01:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: how about a .htaccess file in 3.5.5 deb folder only
[01:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: that is not hard to...
[01:19] <Riddell> that apache doesn't let me to do much in .htaccess 
[01:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, htaccess needs to be activated in your virtualhost's config
[01:20] <Tm_T> you don't even have to mention that repository to people, they use browser
[01:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there a proftpd on the server ?
[01:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: .ftpaccess also exists :)
[01:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: then the best solution is a testing server, externalized
[01:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: you could use mine for example, I can handle it, no bandwidth issue
[01:22] <Tm_T> Tonio_: apt-get can be piped thru ssh or some other autheticationed protocol?
[01:23] <Tonio_> Tm_T: hum.... should be possible, but hard to handle in my opinion
[01:23] <Tm_T> ah
[01:24] <Tm_T> Tonio_: auth in website -> automatically adds ip to allow list perhaps?
[01:25] <Tonio_> Riddell, Tm_T: I assume an https with key authentication would work also
[01:25] <Hobbsee> .....
[01:25] <Hobbsee> distrowatch published the repos?
[01:27] <Tm_T> dunno but I have seen "noob users" who has no idea about testing had 3.5.5 and whined, so, somehow they've gone wild
[01:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: apt doesn't do https
[01:28] <Hobbsee> ugh.  great.
[01:29] <Riddell> we had a reporter in here?
[01:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, yes I just saw that in the logs
[01:29] <Tonio_> http://kubuntu.org/packages
[01:29] <Tonio_> the problem is that it isn't hard to find if you search a bit......
[01:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: someone was writing something about something.  *tries to get her brain to recall*
[01:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: how about removing dirlisting on that folder, to start ;)
[01:31] <Tonio_> hi goldenear
[01:31] <Tonio_> goldenear: I packaged jabbin yesterday, fyi
[01:31] <goldenear> Tonio_: great :)
[01:32] <goldenear> is it on a repository ?
[01:32] <Tonio_> goldenear: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org
[01:33] <Hobbsee> !seen silver_hook
[01:33] <ubotu> I last saw silver_hook (n=matija@BSN-61-66-55.dsl.siol.net) 1d 15h 31m 44s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection
[01:33] <goldenear> I'm going to try it right now ! :)
[01:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do you have a name of the reporter on distrowatch?
[01:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there a mysql server on that machine ?
[01:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: we can do a quick php script that allow or not downloading according to the guy IP address
[01:36] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no
[01:36] <Tonio_> and store them in a mysql database
[01:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's not that important
[01:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay :)
[01:37] <Hobbsee> apparently this guy was from TUX.
[01:37] <Riddell> Hobbsee: when where?
[01:37] <Tonio_> imbrandon ping ?
[01:37] <Hobbsee> oh fsck....
[01:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/kubuntu-devel-2006-10-08.html - search for silver_hook
[01:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'd imagine for http://www.tuxmagazine.com/
[01:41] <Hobbsee> it's been mentioned in front of the guy, by people in the channel, including myself asking jucato to test it.  whether he's connected to distrowatch or something, i dont know.
[01:41] <goldenear> Tonio_: do you want to try jabbin voip ?
[01:42] <Riddell> and fdoving gave him completely the wrong answer on where to get kopete
[01:42] <Hobbsee> i told him properly later
[01:42] <Hobbsee> that's where i saw the guy, and found out he was a reporter
[02:01] <Tonio_> goldenear: I can't... my microphone doesn't work
[02:01] <goldenear> :(
[02:02] <goldenear> Tonio_: about that, I have found something strange yesterday: the mixer in kde is not as complete as alsamixer... and that's a problem for me
[02:03] <goldenear> indeed, the control to set my internal mic volume is not available in kmixer but it is in alsamixer
[02:03] <goldenear> (and the control reported as internal mic is kmixer is not the internal mic)
[02:05] <Tonio_> goldenear: report a bug at kde ;)
[02:06] <goldenear> I would like to find where this bug comes from first...
[02:29] <goldenear> Tonio; I've found the bug. I guess it's also why your internal mic doesn't work:
[02:30] <goldenear> 1) in kmix (and alsa mixer) I see two mic controls: internal mic and mic... internal mic is a wrong indication as both internal mic and the external mic jack use the mic control
[02:31] <goldenear> internal mic is useless and should not be used! (and should not be displayed)
[02:32] <goldenear> 2) mic volume as only effect on direct monitoring, not for recording (or voip)... the volume for recording is "capture"
[02:35] <nuku> 3) "capture" in kmix does not change "capture" in alsamixer here :/
[02:53] <goldenear> so to recorde something you have to set the record source (mic), set capture on and set the capture volume (mic volume as no effect on that and mic monitoring
[02:53] <goldenear> 3) the same here :)
[02:53] <goldenear> 3) seems to be the bug
[02:54] <goldenear> I've happy you can confirme it nuku :)
[02:56] <goldenear> nuku: what sound chip do you have ?
[02:57] <nuku> ICH6 / SigmaTel
[02:59] <nuku> not really clear why this happens ... as the capture mixer control has cvolume which looks correct
[03:09] <goldenear> nuku: my sound chip is an intel hda (my computer is a centrino 2 laptop)
[03:09] <goldenear> so the issue may be with intel chips...
[03:09] <goldenear> Could someone with an other sound chip confirm the bug ?
[03:10] <jdong> goldenear: I have an intel hda. what's up?
[03:15] <goldenear> jdong: so I guess you have the same problem
[03:15] <jdong> goldenear: what problem? I just came in
[03:15] <goldenear> capture control in kmix as no effect
[03:16] <goldenear> but capture volume control in alsamixer works
[03:19] <nuku> goldenear: i think i have found the bug
[03:19] <goldenear> really ?
[03:19] <nuku> the curprit is that the capture device is tagged as canCapture and canRecord 
[03:20] <nuku> but the mixer is only added  if (canCapture && !canRecord) 
[03:21] <goldenear> seems logical
[03:21] <nuku> lets see if it works when i comment this out :)
[03:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just notices about:konqueror went back to media:/ with your packages
[03:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: the very strange thing is that the patch is still there and applies correctly....
[03:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: any idea what got wrong ?
[03:21] <nuku> yes .. now i have all the mixers twice but one does work indeed.. :)
[03:22] <goldenear> :)
[03:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't understand how that's possible
[03:23] <Tonio_> the patch is kubuntu_73_nomediaioslave_mounthelper.diff
[03:23] <goldenear> nuku: not very easy to fix..
[03:24] <goldenear> capture control have to be managed differently than others then...
[03:25] <goldenear> an other possibility to fix this would be to set capture volume = capture source volume
[03:26] <goldenear> I mean if mic is selected for capture, then the mic volume control would set the capture volume control too.
[03:26] <goldenear> (and then it become useless to display the cature mixer is kmix)
[03:29] <nuku> hmm. well alsamixer does handle this in another way here.. mic volume does not have a slider just an capture flag.. the mic volume is only affected in playback...
[03:29] <jdong> who do I subscribe to UVFe's?
[03:29] <Riddell> jdong: ubuntu-archive
[03:30] <Riddell> mm, maybe that's wrong actually
[03:30] <jdong> Riddell: thanks
[03:30] <Riddell> mdz and kamion
[03:30] <jdong> the wiki's down...
[03:30] <jdong> ok
[03:31] <goldenear> nuku: the same for me... mic volume in alsamixer (and kmix) has only effect on playback
[03:32] <goldenear> That's why I suggest it could have effect on capture when mic is selected as capture source
[03:33] <Riddell> jdong: universe or main?
[03:33] <jdong> Riddell: main
[03:33] <jdong> ktorrent
[03:34] <Riddell> ubuntu-release
[03:34] <Riddell> that's the dudes
[03:34] <jdong> k
[03:34] <Riddell> but also make sure you tell me the bug number too 
[03:34] <jdong> Riddell: bug 65066
[03:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65066 in ktorrent "UVF Exception Request: ktorrent 2.0.3" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65066
[03:34] <nuku> goldenear: well problem might be that other cards may allow setting a capture volume for mic.... so its not really easy to handle.. 
[03:34] <jdong> look ok to you, Riddell?
[03:35] <nuku> goldenear: so matching alsamixer might be the cleanest solution i guess....
[03:36] <goldenear> nuku: indeed
[03:36] <Riddell> jdong: do you have debs to test?
[03:36] <jdong> Riddell: building them as we speak
[03:40] <Hawkwind> jdong: 2.0.3 for Dapper or Edgy ?
[03:40] <Hawkwind> Ahh, I'd guess Edgy since you requested UVF
[03:41] <jdong> Hawkwind: first for edgy, then definitely I'll backport it to dapper
[03:43] <jdong> grr, have to update my edgy pbuilder
[03:43] <jdong> stupid development release :)
[03:45] <Hobbsee> hey now.  the newer kernel is good :)
[03:46] <jdong> yes,. but the constant need to refresh my pbuilder is not :)
[03:47] <Hobbsee> my system boots now, and doesnt regularly overheat quite so badly.  i'm not complaining.
[03:47] <jdong> hehe
[03:47] <jdong> Edgy's gonna be a nice release
[03:48] <jdong> grr, KSS doesn't remember my DPMS timeout
[03:48] <jdong> across logouts
[03:48] <jdong> the bug's in malone
[03:48] <jdong> a fix is apparently committed
[03:48] <Hobbsee> kss?
[03:48] <jdong> kde system settings
[03:48] <jdong> guidance, actually
[03:48] <jdong> the display tool
[03:48] <jdong> I set a timeout of 2 minutes, logout, and it turns into 2 hours
[03:48] <jdong> then it turns into 5 hours
[03:48] <jdong> :)
[03:49] <jdong> my computer wastes a bit more power each time I log in!
[03:49] <jdong> yay
[03:49] <jdong> k, breakfast time
[03:49] <jdong> will come back when shiny new ktorrent builds
[03:50] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:50] <jdong> and please tell me I'm not going crazy and it's actually a bug in guidance :)
[03:51] <Hobbsee> you're going crazy.
[03:58] <abattoir> jdong: i have that bug too
[03:58] <jdong> abattoir: awesome (in the sense that I'm not psycho)
[03:58] <abattoir> :P
[04:01] <jdong> Riddell: I'm uploading a tarball with source and deb packages for ktorrent 2.0.3 to the UVFe
[04:01] <jdong> I'm testing them now , and they work great for me
[04:02] <jdong> if others want to help me test it out, that'd be great
[04:02] <jdong> should show up on bug 65066 as soon as it finishes uploading
[04:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65066 in ktorrent "UVF Exception Request: ktorrent 2.0.3" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65066
[04:02] <jdong> which would be now :)
[04:03] <claydoh> hmpf
[04:03] <claydoh> such time and effort i wasted :)
[04:04] <claydoh> but I will test your deb post haste
[04:07] <jdong> sorry claydoh :)
[04:07] <jdong> claydoh: I already said earlier that I was building them :D
[04:07] <claydoh> don't be shoulda figgered someone would be on this
[04:08] <claydoh> pluys I didn't check in here 
[04:08] <jdong> perfect
[04:09] <jdong> there's not terribly much groundbreaking in the new point release
[04:09] <jdong> most of the important fixes I've already isolated as 2.0.2-0ubuntu2
[04:09] <jdong> but there is a private tracker cheating bug that's been fixed in 2.0.3
[04:09] <jdong> really annoying if you belong to one of those private trackers
[04:12] <Riddell> xeros: are you doing some sort of weird query thing?
[04:16] <Riddell> koffice needs testing ** deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/not-koffice-16/ edgy main
[04:16] <jdong> lol
[04:17] <jdong> not-koffice-16
[04:17] <jdong> something like koffice-16-developers-only might work better
[04:17] <jdong> or even koffice-16.broken.and.will.delete.data :)
[04:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: testing koffice
[04:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: any idea if kde uvf er will be accepted ? just to know :)
[04:34] <Hobbsee> jdong: koffice-16-on-crack :P
[04:34] <jdong> hehe
[04:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: we need to wait for mdz to wake up
[04:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: try calling him :P
[04:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe
[04:36] <Riddell> koffice seems good to me
[04:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, except I now have 3 krita entries in kmenu :)
[04:36] <Tonio_> one in graphics, and two in office
[04:37] <Riddell> I have one in graphics and one in office
[04:38] <nuku> i have two in graphics and one in office :)
[04:40] <Tonio_> nuku: hehe :)
[04:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like there is 2 different desktop files, since the desc is different
[04:41] <Tm_T> Krita?
[04:41] <Tm_T> there was commit related to it
[04:42] <Tm_T> SVN commit 594164 by berger: make krita appears in the "open with" menu and appears only once in the kmenu
[04:42] <Tm_T> this was in 1.6 branch
[04:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: the "shouldn't be there file" is kde-krita_jpeg.desktop
[04:44] <Tonio_> this is the one that appears twice in the menus here
[04:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: /usr/share/applnk/Office/krita_jpeg.desktop
[04:46] <Tm_T> those should be installed to .hidden gategory iirc
[04:47] <Tonio_> Tm_T: even more simple, patching the desktop file to hide
[04:47] <Tonio_> Hidden=true
[04:48] <nuku> wasn't it NoDisplay=true?
[04:49] <Tonio_> nuku: both work
[04:49] <nuku> i see
[04:49] <Tonio_> nuku: but yeah, the common way is NoDisplay
[04:51] <Tm_T> Tonio_: heh, that works too :p
[04:51] <Tonio_> Tm_T: hehe, yes, that's a kde secret, but shhhhh, nobody should know !!!
[04:52] <Tonio_> I just think Hidden is more logic and simple
[04:53] <Tonio_> imbrandon are you there ?
[04:54] <nuku> yes Hidden sounds more intuitive :)
[05:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/24
[05:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: in case you want the patch :)
[05:02] <Tonio_> others krita_*.desktop have the NoDisplay tag
[05:03] <Tonio_> haha, just read jono bacon story ;)
[05:04] <Tonio_> amazing that joining a channel can result a d-line on freenode
[05:22] <Tm_T> Tonio_: ?
[05:22] <Tm_T> Tonio_: where what story?
[05:23] <Tonio_> Tm_T: on planet ubuntu
[05:24] <Tm_T> I see, read it too ;) ->
[05:27] <Tonio_> Tm_T: fancy testing this ? -> #asdfg
[05:27] <Tonio_> hehe
[05:28] <seaLne> can any kmail imap users do me a favour and start an email then save it as a draft and tell me if it saves in the imap drafts folder and local drafts aswell?
[05:28] <Tonio_> seaLne: one sec
[05:28] <Tonio_> seaLne: local
[05:29] <seaLne> it saves it in the imap drafts aswell for me, strange
[05:29] <seaLne> do you have a drafts folder defined in your identity?
[05:29] <Tonio_> seaLne: nope
[05:30] <seaLne> mine is set to be on imap
[05:30] <seaLne> identity-> modify -> advanced -> drafts folder
[05:33] <Tonio_> _Sime: ping (for when you're arround)
[05:34] <nuku> seaLne: works here as it should be... drafts are only stored in the imap folder
[05:34] <seaLne> weird
[05:35] <nuku> seaLne: KMail Version 1.9.5 btw
[05:35] <seaLne> ah i'm still 1.9.4
[05:36] <seaLne> it will be interesting to see if that makes a difference as this has happened previously for me
[05:38] <nuku> seaLne: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/3_5_5/kdepim.txt can't find anything related there ..
[05:40] <seaLne> i think if it is fixed its just something weird that causes it
[05:41] <nuku> at least its better than loosing the mail at all :)
[05:42] <seaLne> yep :)
[06:11] <sebas> Is the kate crash fixed, if so, where are the packages now? :-)
[06:12] <Riddell> yes, packages at not-kde-355
[06:13] <Riddell> you have to delete your cache and use --reinstall
[06:13] <Tm_T> roger
[06:14] <DaSkreech> yes?
[06:15] <Tm_T> hmm, ok, was that crash involved to file starting with empty line?
[06:15] <Tm_T> cause I had just crash, everything was ok until I clicked line with text :p
[06:23] <bddebian> Heya
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Hi bddebian
[06:30] <bddebian> Heya DaSkreech
[06:31] <sebas> When's UDS Mountainview exactly?
[06:32] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView
[06:33] <sebas> thx!
[06:46] <sebas> thx4repo@riddell, too
[06:47] <Riddell> sebas: which one?
[06:47] <sebas> not-kde-355
[06:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about that, I contacted canonical's agent, but didn't receive any response yet.... I will have to make my own arrangement, probably
[07:18] <Lure> sebas: seen bug 64978? We should probably be more conservative regarding the choosen battery icon...
[07:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64978 in kde-guidance "powermanager icon sometimes shows fully charged when not" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64978
[07:20] <Lure> sebas: any ideas on memory leak issue - see bug 64969
[07:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64969 in kde-guidance "kde-guidance-powermanager applet leaks memory rapidly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64969
[07:27] <sebas> Lure: I agree that we should use the full battery icon only when we're really near-full
[07:27] <sebas> And now with your explanation, I finally understand the point of this BR
[07:27] <Lure> sebas: ok, I can change this 
[07:27] <sebas> Sure, go ahead.
[07:27] <sebas> I was thinking about the same.
[07:28] <sebas> Note that my notebook sometimes finishes at 98% with loading, and that's desirable behaviour
[07:28] <sebas> If  I unplug it at 100% and then replug it at 98%, it should not start loading again, since that would wear out the battery too much with too little benefit
[07:28] <Lure> sebas: yes, this is why I would to 5% less then the battery icon level (55 for 60, 95 for 100, 35 for 40...)
[07:28] <sebas> So I gues > 95% is a good choice
[07:28] <sebas> And then stretch the middle field some more
[07:29] <Lure> sebas: but we cannot control charging/dischaging - this is done by HW
[07:29] <sebas> going red at 38% is overdone as well (that's > 1h on my notebook)
[07:29] <sebas> No, we can't indeed.
[07:29] <sebas> My point was that 98% is 'full enough' for the full icon
[07:29] <Lure> sebas: right
[07:31] <sebas> I'll have a look now if I can find anything that could cause the memleak (are we appending to some list endlessly in the poll code? for example)
[07:33] <Lure> sebas: another point - we never display empty battery at all as we have it at 2%, which is probably below critical level (when most have auto hibernate on)
[07:33] <sebas> Lure: Ah, right.
[07:33] <sebas> Do that <10%, maybe?
[07:34] <Lure> sebas: I am thinking about 20% for red and 7-10% for empty
[07:34] <Lure> maybe even 5 would be better than 2 as it is now
[07:35] <Lure> sebas: you laptop goes red on 38%? in code it is 20%...?
[07:35] <sebas> Lure: 18% then ;)
[07:35] <sebas> Too early anyway, I've 4hrs
[07:36] <Lure> sebas: ok, then lets try 5 (empty) and 15 (red)
[07:36] <sebas> Sounds good
[07:46] <sebas> Lure: Change looks good
[07:46] <sebas> And it feels even better =)
[07:47] <Lure> sebas: funny is that I did not notice it until I read the report today ;-) - it looks like we are looking into powermanger too much ;-)
[07:48] <sebas> Lure: I had a feeling of it not being quite what I want, but did not really consider it because it would not be mathematically correct
[07:48] <sebas> This way it makes much more sense
[07:50] <sebas> Lure: pychecker is quite nice, btw.
[07:51] <Lure> sebas: newer used it for powermanager yet, but I know as I am pushing my developers at work to use it ;-)
[07:51] <sebas> Lure: If did a quick check, but I'm hesitant to fix lots of warnings right before a release
[07:52] <sebas> I'll do a later run and fix things, after Edgy is out
[07:52] <sebas> Maybe we can even integrate it into the EBN
[07:52] <Lure> sebas: I would fix the obvious ones and we can get some testers from svn in this channel
[07:53] <sebas> Lure: I didn't see anything critical, some dead code, some warnings, lots of crap in dcopext :-)
[07:53] <_Sime> Tonio_: pong
[07:53] <sebas> I'm afk for a bit
[07:54] <Lure> sebas: true, not much to be concerned too much...
[07:55] <Lure> anybody here knows how can I get rights to change Importance of bugs (at least for some packages like kde-guidance, kdeadmin, knetworkmanager...)
[07:55] <sebas> _Sime: Sunday's my birthday, drop in for a drink if you've time :)
[07:55] <_Sime> seaLne: 30?
[07:55] <_Sime> sebas: 30?
[07:56] <sebas> (That goes for everyone here, actually, though I doubt many live in an acceptable distance to drop by )
[07:56] <sebas> _Sime: Hm, 30 yeah :D
[07:56] <sebas> I'm not realising this yet
[07:56] <_Sime> sebas: I thought you were a little bit closer to my age...
[07:56] <sebas> _Sime: Which is how much exactly?
[07:57] <_Sime> sebas: Are you going away for the weekend?
[07:57] <_Sime> sebas: I'm 9 months old than you.
[07:57] <sebas> Don't think so, I planned to go to Stuttgart but I prefer some time at home after all the travelling lately
[07:57] <sebas> _Sime: That's *nothing* :D
[07:58] <trappist> Lure: members of ubuntu-qa can do that
[07:58] <sebas> Uhm, Saturday is my birthday, the 14th
[07:58] <sebas> I'm off for a bit now, laters!
[07:59] <Lure> trappist: thanks - have joined, hope I get accepted (is there any page how to get accepted)?
[08:03] <Lure> sebas: what is your feeling about bug 64053? should we workaround for this user? (for example, my noname desktop properly claims "desktop")
[08:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64053 in kde-guidance "does not recognize ibook as a laptop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64053
[08:04] <trappist> Lure: you get sfflaw (there's one other guy who can do it, I forget his name) to bless you
[08:05] <gnomefreak> trappist: sfflaw does it dh... can do it but normally he sends people to sfflaw
[08:06] <trappist> Lure: you'll be expected to have read, understood, accepted, meditated on and embraced https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/CommonTasks
[08:06] <Lure> trappist: I have done this in Dapper time...
[08:13] <sebas> Lure: How about we do something like if formfactor == "laptop" or powermanage.hasBattery():  ... ?
[08:14] <Lure> sebas: that is probably better, only problem is when battery is not present (temporarily)
[08:17] <sebas> Lure: Hm, dunno
[08:17] <sebas> Check for more "laptop-specific items"?
[08:17] <sebas> Such as hasAC ?
[08:19] <Lure> sebas: I would not trust hasAC (see also bug 64933)
[08:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64933 in kde-guidance "Tooltip when on battery" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64933
[08:19] <sebas> :/
[08:20] <sebas> We cannot trust HAL
[08:20] <Lure> to all: any user here with machine that reports anything else as "laptop" or "desktop" when executing "lshal | grep formfactor"
[08:20] <Lure> particularly ppc users...
[08:21] <imbrandon> Lure, my ppc says 'unknown'
[08:21] <Lure> imbrandon: laptop or desktop or server ;-)?
[08:21] <imbrandon> laptop ( ibook )
[08:21] <Lure> imbrandon: so you can confirm bug 64053
[08:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64053 in kde-guidance "does not recognize ibook as a laptop" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64053
[08:22] <sebas> imbrandon: lshal |g ac|g adapter ?
[08:23] <sebas> alias g="grep" of course
[08:23] <imbrandon> true
[08:23] <sebas> Good.
[08:23] <imbrandon> and confirmed Lure
[08:33] <fdoving> Riddell: what is the proper way of getting kopete 0.12.2 for dapper? i can see the source in dapper-backports, but not the binaries.
[08:34] <Lure> imbrandon: what is output of "lshal | grep ac_adapter
[08:39] <imbrandon> sorry was afk one sec
[08:39] <imbrandon> fdoving, its in binary NEW ( but i have it in my repo if you wish to have it )  deb http://imbrandon.com/packages dapper kopete
[08:40] <fdoving> imbrandon, i know you have it, i just have a message in my awaylog, by riddel, saying i told some-guy the totaly wrong way of getting kopete 0.12.2.. and i gave him your repo.
[08:41] <fdoving> that was for dapper that is.
[08:41] <imbrandon> lure , ac_adapter.present = true , info.capabilities and info.category
[08:41] <imbrandon> fdoving, ahh
[08:42] <jdong> fdoving: urg, I think I need to request a re-backport of kopete
[08:42] <fdoving> he was a reporter for tuxmagazine.org, so i'm sorry if he published the repo links without contacting you. i told him it would be a good idea to ask you before publishing though.
[08:42] <fdoving> jdong: probably :)
[08:42] <jdong> fdoving: that backport was done when the infrastructure was half-broken....
[08:42] <imbrandon> jdong, no its backported , its just in binary NEW
[08:42] <jdong> so I think the binaries ended up in a black hole :)
[08:43] <jdong> imbrandon: I asked kamion a while back to take them out of binary new
[08:43] <jdong> and he said that he did it
[08:43] <jdong> and it's still not there
[08:43] <jdong> anyway, that needs to be followed up on
[08:44] <imbrandon> well its still there, i'm looking right at it
[08:44] <imbrandon> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+queue
[08:44] <jdong> imbrandon: ah, ok, I didn't know that existed in LP
[08:44] <nuku> oh btw the packages.ubuntu.com page is missing the dapper-backports in the distribution dropdown box :)
[08:45] <jdong> nuku: I've poked him about it before, and he didn't respond... maybe you should try :)
[08:45] <imbrandon> nuku, cool , and i'm sure you filed a bug against ubuntu-web right ? hehe
[08:46] <jdong> imbrandon: can you be my ktorrent uploader? :)
[08:46] <jdong> imbrandon: bug 65066
[08:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65066 in ktorrent "UVF Exception Request: ktorrent 2.0.3" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65066
[08:46] <jdong> just approved
[08:46] <nuku> erm actually i did not file a bug.. just happend to see it some time ago but as i am using edgy now i forgot about it ;)
[08:47] <imbrandon> nuku, https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website/+filebug
[08:47] <imbrandon> jdong, sure i will get to it tonight , DO NOT ASK 2 PEOPLE THIS TIME PLEASE
[08:47] <jdong> LOL
[08:48] <jdong> assign the bug to yourself so we don't run into that again :)
[08:48] <jdong> I didn't actually ask the second person last time.... he kind of found it on his own :)
[08:49] <imbrandon> heh, ok , i'm off for 3 hours or so, bbian
[08:49] <imbrandon> bbiab*
[08:51] <fdoving> see you.
[08:51] <Riddell> fdoving: it should be backports
[08:52] <Riddell> if it's not there we need to poke jdong 
[08:52] <fdoving> ok, he knows about it now.
[08:52] <jdong> Riddell: I've poked kamion about it.. it's in the NEW queue
[08:52] <fdoving> i guess the TUX guys are better off with imbrandons packages than compiling from backports sources.
[08:53] <imbrandon> fdoving, ah yea i talked to the TUX reporter directly
[08:53] <fdoving> imbrandon, good :)
[08:53] <imbrandon> i set him up witht the backports way
[08:53] <imbrandon> it will be out of the NEW que by the time its published
[08:54] <Riddell> jdong: didn't know backports had a n queue
[08:54] <imbrandon> i thought you wanted it "right now"
[08:54] <fdoving> i thought -he- wanted it "right now".
[08:54] <imbrandon> Riddell, yea it gets stuck in BINARY new 
[08:54] <imbrandon> in dapper
[08:55] <imbrandon> Riddell, see konversation , libvisual, etc etc etc are all still stuck https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+queue
[09:00] <Riddell> imbrandon: humph
[09:00] <Tm_T> anyone know way to disable that "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:" etc from apt-get, it's just extra noise I don't need
[09:01] <Tm_T> rather have it behind separate command
[09:01] <nixternal> sudo apt-get autoclean
[09:01] <nixternal> ;)
[09:01] <imbrandon> Riddell, my thoughts exactly, i just realized it today
[09:01] <nixternal> autoremove rather
[09:01] <Tm_T> noo, I won't do that
[09:01] <imbrandon> nixternal, yea but alot of those i still want, mine reports xorg ;)
[09:02] <Tm_T> exactly
[09:02] <nixternal> doh
[09:02] <nixternal> mine took kubuntu desktop..so i just reinstalled it
[09:02] <nixternal> that fixed a lot of bugs of mine too
[09:02] <nixternal> hehe
[09:02] <Tm_T> linux-headers-2.6.17-9 linux-headers-2.6.17-9-generic python-libxml2 python-dbus linux-generic
[09:02] <nixternal> although i am back to pressiing alt+f7 to fire up kdm again
[09:02] <Tm_T> that what it offers to me ;)
[09:02] <nixternal> 2.6.17-10-386
[09:03] <nixternal> hrmm..i love the /cmd in konversation
[09:03] <Tm_T> :p
[09:03] <Tm_T> nixternal: /exec in irssi
[09:03] <nixternal> yup
[09:03] <jdong>  /cmd find /?
[09:03] <imbrandon> nixternal, you should really install linux-generic
[09:03] <nixternal> hahaha
[09:03] <jdong> :)
[09:04] <nixternal> imbrandon: difference is big?
[09:04] <nixternal> that is default with the -386
[09:04] <imbrandon> ok really gone bbiab, yea big diff 
[09:04] <nixternal> roger that
[09:04] <nixternal> will do now
[09:04] <jdong> nixternal: you should use generic
[09:04] <fdoving> Tm_T: apt-get unmarkauto packagename'
[09:04] <Tm_T> nixternal: difference is many letters in package names ;)
[09:04] <nixternal> hahaha
[09:04] <Tm_T> fdoving: ooh thanks
[09:05] <Tm_T> though that's only workaround
[09:05] <fdoving> Tm_T: 'apt-mark unmarkauto packagename' that is.
[09:05] <nixternal> i have been so busy with school crap the past 2 weeks i kind of fell off here a little bit
[09:05] <Tm_T> I can't get that list back later, right?
[09:06] <fdoving> you can take a look at /var/lib/apt/extended_states
[09:06] <fdoving> i'm not sure.
[09:06] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:06] <Tm_T> roger
[09:06] <fdoving> you can always backup the file :)
[09:06] <Tm_T> =)
[09:06] <Tm_T> sounds stupid
[09:06] <Tm_T> all I want is apt-get to show them only by demand
[09:07] <fdoving> ah.. i don't know if that is possible.
[09:07] <xeros> Lure:   system.formfactor = 'unknown'  (string)
[09:07] <Tm_T> sounds stupid
[09:07] <Lure> xeros: what kind of machine?
[09:07] <fdoving> Tm_T: unmarkauto will remove the 'auto-installed' tag in /var/lib/apt/extended_states for the package.
[09:07] <Tm_T> because, haven't seen any other app screaming all the time some thing like "these you don't need anymore?!"
[09:08] <Tm_T> fdoving: yeah, so nogo
[09:09] <xeros> Lure: desktop - p4 ht
[09:10] <Lure> xeros: "lshal | grep ac_adapter"
[09:10] <xeros> Lure: nothing
[09:11] <Tm_T> fdoving: but thanks
[09:11] <Lure> xeros: good - thanks for testing this
[09:11] <xeros> Lure: and it's not edgy but dapper, sorry
[09:11] <Lure> xeros: does not make a difference really (hal is not that different)
[09:12] <fdoving> Tm_T: no problem, i'll continue investigating this, it's very annoying when you actually use apt-get alot. (as i do).
[09:12] <xeros> Lure: I use dapper on desktop at home and edgy on laptop at work
[09:12] <nixternal> 2.6.17-10-generic
[09:12] <nixternal> whee
[09:14] <fdoving> Tm_T: are you aware of 'apt-get remove --auto-remove <pkg>' ? will remove deps.. like aptitude does :)
[09:14] <xeros> Lure: it seems that my laptop with edgy is recognized properly - I used Kubuntu Device Database and it send info as laptop, power management seems to work properly there, too - it's HP compaq nx9005 with Athlon XP Mobile 2500+ (Barton)
[09:15] <Lure> xeros: it is only problem with ppc laptops (it seems, due to missing dmidecode) and they are reported as unknown (same as your desktop)
[09:18] <Lure> sebas: you were right - hasBattery() is OK, as it now reports also true even if no battery is present (but there is battery bay for primary battery) - this was changed with my mult-battery refactoring
[09:18] <Lure> sebas: so I will do: return properties["system.formfactor"]  == "laptop" or self.hasBattery
[09:56] <fdoving> Tm_T: there is no setting to just get rid of the message, but you can have apt-get automatically remove the packages for you, if you set APT::Get::AutomaticRemove "true"; in apt.conf :)
[10:05] <Tm_T> fdoving: but that's exactly what I don't want
[10:06] <fdoving> i understand that. but i guess you'll have to make a patch for apt then :)
[10:19] <Tm_T> mooh
[10:20] <Tm_T> I start to hate Kword
[10:20] <Tm_T> this is ridicolous, 1) write text 2) change font & colour settings 3) write more text 4) repeat 2 and 3
[10:20] <Tm_T> and, without changing text colour, I'm looking white text in white background
[10:20] <Tm_T> "fun"
[10:25] <Tm_T> Bah, I give up, back to forking Kopete. ->
[10:25] <abattoir> Tm_T: i'm looking at black text in a black bg ;)
[10:26] <abattoir> Tm_T: hi, btw :P
[10:26] <Tm_T> hey :)
[10:29] <Tm_T> hmm, abattoir, like to test something?
[10:29] <abattoir> Tm_T: sure, what?
[10:30] <Tm_T> abattoir: open files in kate, close, reopen it and see if those files appear in "Open recent" list
[10:32] <abattoir> Tm_T: yes, they work as expected here
[10:32] <Tm_T> hmh
[10:33] <abattoir> Tm_T: i have 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1
[10:35] <Tm_T> same ofcourse
[10:35] <Tm_T> abattoir: check package date from /var/cache/apt/archives/
[10:36] <abattoir> Tm_T: i dont think i'd have the packages from not-kde... if it was updated there
[10:36] <Tm_T> abattoir: iirc it is updated there
[10:37] <Tm_T> 2006-10-04 21:28 says mine
[10:37] <abattoir> Tm_T: i'm sure mine is after that, let me double-check
[10:37] <abattoir> 05-10 02:28
[10:38] <Tm_T> weird
[10:38] <abattoir> (DD-MM HH:MM ofcourse)
[10:38] <abattoir> hh:mm rather :P
[10:42] <abattoir> everyone has access to not-kde-355? or do you need to have your IP in a list or something?
[10:46] <_Sime> So, will Edgy get KDE 3.5.5?
[10:46] <Tm_T> abattoir: iirc no
[10:50] <Lure> _Sime: not sure yet - I think Riddell is waiting for approval from mdz
[11:03] <Riddell> Lure: I got it, I'll upload tonight
[11:03] <Lure> Riddell: great 
[11:05] <fdoving> approval for 3.5.5?
[11:05] <fdoving> then maybe i should stop compiling on the ibook :)
[11:06] <fdoving> imbrandon: how did your crosscompiling project go? 
[11:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: mdz approved kopete, I'm uploading it
[11:21] <imbrandon> gah
[11:21] <imbrandon> tonio .......
[11:21] <imbrandon> bah never mind
[11:23] <imbrandon> so nice of him to check the channel log and/or bug report that he scorned me about last time
[11:24] <DaSkreech>  imbrandon: Just checking what happened with podcasts?
[11:24] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, me and sladen been super busy with other things
[11:24] <DaSkreech> Cool As expected :)
[11:25] <imbrandon> they will resume probbably after edgy's release
[11:26] <imbrandon> jdong, query
[11:26] <imbrandon> fdoving, good actualy, i got it all working ( mostly )
[11:26] <imbrandon> fdoving, sometime tonight i'll post some details on my blog
[11:27] <fdoving> nice.
[11:27] <fdoving> looking forward to it :)
[11:27] <imbrandon> i just got in and am catching up on mail etc
[11:34] <fdoving> gnite.