tomveensI have the feeling that the packages where he is working on do not find any progress maybe he needs help? Anyone?12:14
tomveensanyone can tell me more about this?12:14
crimsunare you referring to bug 33340?12:16
UbugtuMalone bug 33340 in rp-pppoe "pppoe-server segfaults" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3334012:16
crimsunthe remaining two bugs mentioned on his wiki page have been marked 'fix released'12:16
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jelmerI've fixed the bzr-svn package - any chance somebody can have another look at #64826?12:23
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geserlophyte: have you tried to build mpg123 0.60-3?12:42
lophytenot yet, I had to run off to dinner..12:42
lophyteI'll try it out now12:42
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lophytegeser: building12:53
lophytewhere do I get the buildlog from? (never done this before...)12:56
geserwhen you build with puilder build --pkgname-logfile you get a file name *.build in /var/cache/pbuilder/result12:57
geseralternatively you can direct all output from pbuilder into a file12:58
geserbut I prefer the first method12:58
geserno need to worry about stdout and stderr12:58
lophytedo I need to make any changes to the package first, or just build it?12:59
geserjust build12:59
gesermotu-uvf needs a proof that the package builds in edgy12:59
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lophytegeser: buildlog posted01:04
geserlophyte: thanks01:05
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rmjbhey room01:47
LaserJockhi rmjb01:49
rmjbI dunno if you all saw in the mailing list, but I created a page on the wiki at wiki.ubuntu.com/Acronyms01:49
LaserJockheh, was that you?01:49
LaserJockI wondered who that was01:49
rmjbit would be great if you all, and the other ubuntu members could add to the page01:49
rmjbyeah it was me01:50
rmjbIt'll help new ubuntu hopefuls like me, esp in situations like the motu-meeting earlier01:50
rmjbit'd also help you guys, since, when some keeps asking what's this and what's that you can just point them to the page01:53
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rmjbwhen updating a package for whatever reason, is a debdiff the preferred format?02:01
imbrandonrmjb, yes for most developers/maintainers02:01
rmjband for you guys too? the MOTUs?02:01
ajmitchwe generally count as developers & maintainers :)02:02
imbrandonrmjb, yup ( that falls into the Maintainers )02:02
imbrandonrmjb, basicly unless someone says they wish it specificly in a diffrent format debdiff is good02:02
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ajmitchwell, looks like the bug count is up again from last night02:05
ajmitchwe got it down by about 40, but seems that it went up again after I went to bed :)02:05
ajmitchnice big drop in the daily bugs02:05
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LaserJockwow, the weekly all graph is remarkably linear02:07
ajmitchit looked almost exponential for awhile02:08
LaserJockI was thinking today of ways to prioritize MOTU bug work02:08
ajmitchsorry, the open bugs looked exponential :)02:08
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minghuageez, you guys are fitting from a dozen points02:09
ajmitchI have my priorities... main first :)02:09
ajmitchminghua: it's not a scientific study, so who cares?02:09
LaserJockminghua: bah, all I need is 3 ;-)02:09
minghuaajmitch: sure, just kidding :-)02:09
zulajmitch, heh...xen isnt in main yet ;)02:10
ajmitchzul: f-spot is02:10
LaserJockbut surely f-spot doesn't have any bugs02:14
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imbrandonLaserJock / ajmitch , either one of you very good with python ftbs errirs ?02:23
ajmitchimbrandon: "no such file or directory" generally means the same in any language02:24
imbrandonwell yea but sip is installed02:25
ajmitchand it's searching in a relative path, for a .in file02:25
ajmitcheg it's looking in it's source tree02:25
imbrandonoh snaz, ok i read that wrong, still strange why its ftb thats stock from the repos ( apt-get source )02:26
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imbrandon_woot ok time for some tv, hero's is on03:01
zultv has ruined my imagination i can think of alot better...umm...yeah03:06
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alexrHi there04:18
alexranybody has an idea as to whom should the bug in gramps be assigned?04:18
ajmitchit's best not to assign bugs to people04:18
alexrJust leave it as is?04:19
UbugtuMalone bug 53113 in gramps "After installing Gramps, double-clicking .grdb file gives "Couldn't display" error" [Undecided,Confirmed] 04:19
ajmitchyes, if the bug is in debian, you may wish to follow up there04:21
ajmitchgenerally we're a small group trying to care for a large set of packages, so we look at what we can :)04:23
alexrajmitch: it's not in debian04:23
alexrajmitch: and it's really strange04:24
ajmitchthe bug isn't in debian?04:24
alexrSeems like introduced by mistalke04:24
alexrSeems like packager's oops04:24
ajmitchit doesn't appear to be introduced by any ubuntu change04:24
alexrHow do you know?04:24
ajmitchmaybe a change in one of the build tools we use04:24
ajmitchbecause I looked at the ubuntu changelog04:24
alexrUbuntu compared to debian?04:25
alexror ubuntu to upstream?04:25
ajmitchubuntu to debian04:25
alexrCan you point me to it?04:25
ajmitchchecking manually now04:26
alexrajmitch: I am told that 2.0.11-2ubuntu installs ~/.local/share/mime/packages/Override.xml and then runs update-mime-database on ~/.local/share/mime04:32
alexrajmitch: And this Override.xml overrides one of the mime types that we properly register04:32
alexrajmitch: I don't run Ubuntu myself.04:33
ajmitchthe package itself should not touch stuff in ~ at all at install - maybe when it is run04:33
alexrIs it possible that shared mime system is doing this?04:33
alexrWe definitely would not be doing this in gramps04:33
ajmitchpossible, but I wouldn't know04:34
ajmitchonly when programs are run would they touch something in ~/.local04:34
ajmitcheven more odd - the package doesn't appear to have built in ubuntu04:35
ajmitchor I've just broken something locally, which is more likely04:36
alexrajmitch: anything I can do to help?04:44
ajmitchalexr: well I can't confirm it after installing on my laptop, but I'd need to test more (eg when I can actually see a GUI)04:45
ajmitchI'd say that it could have been some other app that decided to have fun with mimetypes04:46
alexrThe steps necessary to create the reported situation are:04:46
alexr1. Create .local/share/mime/packages/Override.xml04:46
alexr2. Run " update-mime-database .local/share/mime/"04:47
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alexrHow can some other app do this?04:47
ajmitchcan you explain why a user would end up doing that?04:47
alexrajmitch: the user would not do that04:48
alexrit's just what happens04:48
alexrI assumed that the packager screwed up04:48
alexrbut I can see now that this is not the case04:48
alexrUbuntu: shared-mime-info 0.18-0ubuntu104:49
alexrDebian: shared-mime-info 0.19-104:49
alexrCan this be the cause?04:49
ajmitchpossible but unlikely04:50
alexrI'd say unlikely too04:50
ajmitchI don't think the Override.xml just magically appeared04:50
alexrmore than one person reported this.04:51
alexrAt least 3 that I know if04:51
alexrThey would not be screwing up their systems.04:51
alexrOnly one of them had the knowledge to find out the details on ~/.local04:51
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ajmitchit could be something unrelated like alacarte, for example04:51
alexrI suppose04:52
ajmitchor some other tools that play with mime stuff04:52
alexrI'll be back in a minute from another machine04:52
Amaranthalacarte doesn't touch anything with mime types04:53
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alexrhi again04:56
ajmitchAmaranth_: I didn't think it would04:57
alexrajmitch: from http://standards.freedesktop.org/shared-mime-info-spec/shared-mime-info-spec-latest.html04:57
alexr Where the information from these files is conflicting, information from directories lower in the list takes precedence. Any file named Override.xml takes precedence over all other files in the same packages directory. This can be used by tools which let the user edit the database to ensure that the user's changes take effect.04:57
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Amaranth_alexr: The problem is no package creates files under ~/.local on install and we don't know what app installed it.05:06
alexrAmaranth_: Yeah, I understand05:07
Amaranth_Lag from hell :/05:07
alexrThe thing is, 3 unrelated people reported this on Ubuntu05:07
alexrthey can't all be dreaming :-)05:07
Amaranth_They have something in common05:07
Amaranth_Forensics :)05:07
alexrOK, I guess I'll ask the ones who can reproduce it to delete this stuff and try again.05:08
alexrIn hopes to catch what's generating the Override.xml and running update-mime-database05:09
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alexrAmaranth: OK, I emailed the latest victim of the Override problem to keep his eyes open05:50
Hobbseeright.  i'm not going to get burned.05:50
Hobbseei hope05:50
alexrMaybe something will ring a bell and he will recall the use of some smart tool messing up the mime types05:50
ajmitchhello Hobbsee05:52
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ajmitchHobbsee: cooking again? :)05:52
Hobbseeajmitch: no, i'm at the uni :P05:52
ajmitchI see..05:52
Hobbseecomp labs just got evacuated again - and they seemed more paniced than usual05:53
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joejaxxhey everyone i was wondering if there wasan ubuntu orphan package list i could look at06:27
joejaxxones that people have stopped maintaining06:27
joejaxxor if there is not a list06:27
crimsunwe don't have 'maintainers' per se, so there's no such list.06:27
joejaxxhow can i go about creating one?06:27
crimsuni.e., MOTU is in charge of universe and multiverse06:27
joejaxxcrimsun: well how do i find out which packages have just stopped being maintained?06:28
joejaxxor are not included in these future releases because of that06:28
crimsunreferring to upstream (Debian)? Check Debian's lists.06:28
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joejaxxcrimsun: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ :)06:35
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nixternalwhats up with the translation stuff in the repos??  getting alot of IGN07:12
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Toadstoolgreat! my wifi (which-almost-never-works-cause-of-the-damn-broadcom-chipset) suddenly went up thanks to network-manager going crazy. No wonder my connection barely worked with both wired and wireless network up without routing info..07:28
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FujitsuHey sivang.09:15
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sivanghi Fujitsu , what's cracking?09:18
FujitsuCurrently about to mass-file unmet dep bugs...09:18
FujitsuOf course, it'd be nice to tag them all.09:19
FujitsuBut noooo, LP doesn't provide a tagging feature via email or anything other than HTTP.09:19
sivangah, have you poked the folks at #lp ?09:20
sivangthey might have a solution09:20
sivanghow do you mass bug file btw?09:20
FujitsuEmail, and lots of it.09:20
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sivangFujitsu: no, but how do you find them out? has ajmitch finished his script ?09:22
Fujitsusivang, apt-cache -i unmet does it :P09:22
sivangFujitsu: ah, oops, *sigh* apt-cache is subtle and has lots of option to learn I see..:-/09:24
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FujitsuHeya Hobbsee.09:25
Burgundaviahey Hobbsee, Fujitsu, sivang09:25
FujitsuHi Burgundavia.09:25
Hobbseehey Fujitsu09:26
Hobbseehi Burgundavia!09:26
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Hobbseego sleep?09:27
FujitsuWhy not?09:28
Burgundavialeave for the airport in around 1 1/2 hours09:28
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sivangBurgundavia: how was boston?09:28
Burgundaviavery good09:28
BurgundaviaI was at Mako's until 2am, so it is not so bad09:28
BurgundaviaI have cleaned out the spam trap for -devel and -users, cleaned out my inbox, wrote a new spec09:30
Burgundaviabeen quite productive, despite barely being able to put two thoughts together09:30
FujitsuWhat is said spec regarding?09:31
Burgundaviagdm stuff09:32
FujitsuYay, only 160 sources with uninstallable binaries... Not as bad as I thought.09:32
sivangFujitsu: you have a script for mass bug file?09:33
sivangFujitsu: IMHO you should use one :-)09:33
Fujitsusivang, dholbach had one for last time. I've modified it a bit, and am going to use it.09:34
FujitsuI'm not going to file 160 bugs manually :P09:34
Hobbseejust fix them :P09:34
realistIs there only a http interface to the bug system?09:34
Fujitsurealist, there's a slight hint of an XML-RPC interface, and a crippled email interface, but mostly it's just HTTP.09:35
FujitsuAlthough the email interface is fairly useful in most cases.09:35
sivangI'd say go for the email interface09:36
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realistBurgundavia: I wont ask anymore :-)09:36
Fujitsusivang, I am, yes.09:36
FujitsuBurgundavia, of course :)09:36
Burgundaviarealist: there is no sane reason for LP to be closed source09:36
Burgundaviamaybe it is just because I spent a weekend outside the koolaid at a GNOME event09:37
FujitsuBurgundavia, 'tis my view too. I'm rather (read extremely) irritated by it... But that's a controversial topic, and is likely to get me killed.09:37
BurgundaviaFujitsu: I am not afaid to say it09:37
realistI'll sit on the fence as far as it's licensing is concerned.09:38
realistI can see the benefits from both angles.09:38
Fujitsurealist, what benefits in closedness can you see?09:38
BurgundaviaUbuntu has lots of smart people in teh community who would hack on it09:38
Burgundaviathe lack of an XML-RPC interface, general interface brokenness, concern about all of Ubuntu tied to a closed system, etc.09:39
FujitsuFor one thing, I would have made the email interface fully functional, if the source was available.09:39
FujitsuBurgundavia, precisely. There's this absolutely open project, based on absolutely closed infrastructure.09:39
FujitsuAnd in some cases being held back by said infrastructure.09:39
Burgundaviaif LP goes away, Ubuntu is screwed09:39
Burgundaviathis is something nobody is willing to say09:39
FujitsuAlthough LP does do some things quite well.09:39
sivangGuys, it's going to be released open in stages..09:40
FujitsuBurgundavia, I've said it many a time... Just not around these parts.09:40
sivangread the FAQ :)09:40
Burgundaviasivang: Mark has been saying that since Mataro09:40
BurgundaviaI stopped believing it around last year09:40
Fujitsusivang, I have. But can we believe it? Soon is relative.09:40
FujitsuSoon in geological terms, I can almost believe.09:40
FujitsuIf it was intended to be open at some point, it would almost definitely not have been written monolithically in the first place. That seems to be the major issue.09:41
realistUbuntu can't be all things, to all people...09:41
sivangFujitsu: true, an dyou should bare in mind that soon can be stretched for such a complex and large project.09:41
Fujitsusivang, but there wasn't a reason to have it closed from the start...09:42
Burgundaviarealist: that is totally used arguement09:42
Fujitsurealist, that's really not applicable to this situation.09:42
Burgundaviasivang: we have just passed 2 years of LP now09:42
Burgundaviawith no clear roadmap for open sourcing it09:42
FujitsuIf it were open, it'd have a huge number of extra people willing to work on it.09:43
BurgundaviaI wrote a blog post awhile back about it09:43
sivangI'm not totally conviced it would get better quicker has it been open sourced. Having lots of people willing to contribute doesn't mean quality will come out of it, nor a clear and assertive project leading be maintained.09:43
Burgundaviasivang: you are confusing product leadership with our concerns09:44
Burgundaviawe are not talking about not having canonical working on it, or even driving the main development09:44
sivangand then you would have the LP forks that would probably cripple users promising better results then the original...I think this has to be avoided at call costs, for the moment.09:45
sivangBurgundavia: ah, I see, right09:45
Burgundaviaunlikely you would have forks09:45
Burgundaviaand somebody else running LP is not a fork09:45
Burgundaviathere is a clear need for people to control their own infrastructure09:45
sivangI guess I don't see this as a problem..09:46
sivangPeople have been using sf.nt and it's still not open source09:46
Burgundaviasivang: if LP goes away, Ubuntu loses everything09:46
Burgundaviawe lose our build infrastructure, our bug database, our specs09:47
FujitsuIf I were to start a distribution, I wouldn't want all of my information locked up in systems controlled by a company with a gigantic commercial interest in another distribution.09:47
sivangBurgundavia: do you really think the people behind the scenens would let this happen? I'm sure they have fallbacks for every part of it.09:47
FujitsuSF is different. SF has little/no commercial interest in such things.09:47
Burgundaviaif Canonical goes out of business, what happens to LP is what the creditors say09:47
Burgundaviain other words, LP would likely be "sold"09:48
FujitsuBurgundavia, exactly. All Ubuntu data is out of Ubuntu's control.09:48
sivangFujitsu: Can you be sure of that? how do you know that they do not favor their advertiser's project over "plain" ones?09:48
sivangFujitsu: (just a thought)09:48
sivangBurgundavia: hmm09:49
sivangBurgundavia: have you asked that someone?09:49
Burgundaviaat the very least, we need a pledge like the KDE people have from Trolltedch09:49
sivangyou mean, commitment to continue LP just like Ubuntu Foundation has given ?09:49
Fujitsusivang, who knows. It seems unlikely.09:50
Burgundaviasivang: there is no reason why a distro should be using closed source tools09:50
Burgundaviano, I have not09:50
BurgundaviaI am going to raise it with Mark directly09:50
Burgundaviaplus the fact that Canonical has 30 people working LP is a bit insane09:50
BurgundaviaI mean a commitment like "If Canonical goes bust, LP becomes GPL"09:50
FujitsuWhereas Canonical obviously has (and has to) have a gigantic interest in Ubuntu. It is really in Canonical's interests to minimise other distributions, though they aren't doing that.09:50
Burgundaviacontrast LP to RHs Mugshot09:50
Burgundaviaboth are fairly pie in the sky projects09:50
BurgundaviaMugshot, from the giant evil RH, is open source09:51
BurgundaviaLP, from the friendly Canonical, is not09:51
Burgundaviahey ajmitch09:51
sivangmorning ajmitch09:51
sivangajmitch: Fujitsu is filing mass bugs for umet deps :-)09:52
ajmitchoh no09:52
Fujitsuajmitch, or about to.09:52
FujitsuIt was decided at the meeting last night :P09:52
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sivangBurgundavia: http://mugshot.org/ ?09:52
sivangnot sure what it does.. a bit confusing if that's the link09:53
Burgundaviait doesn't matter what it does09:53
Burgundaviait matters that RH released it as GPL09:53
Hobbseehey ajmitch09:53
Burgundaviaeven though it is a server service, would clearly be hurt by "fragmentation", etc.09:53
FujitsuThat's a seriously bad website >_>09:53
ajmitchhello Hobbsee09:53
Burgundaviaall the arguments Canonical uses to keep LP closed soruce09:53
sivangBurgundavia: Well, I think LP is a "little bit" more high profile then a blogging component ;-)09:54
sivangbut yeah, I catch you point09:54
Burgundaviamugshot is a lot more than blogging09:54
realistI can't see the harm in Canonical protecting its own IP09:55
Burgundaviarealist: lovely. Lets close Ubuntu then09:55
Burgundaviabecause that is Canonicals "IP"09:55
Burgundaviahow about upstart09:56
Burgundavialets close that, because clearly it is better to keep that clsoed source09:56
FujitsuBut of course.09:56
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Burgundaviarealist: our entire community is built around sharing our "IP"09:57
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Burgundaviain fact, it is a core piece of why we are having this discussion09:57
FujitsuHi dholbach.09:57
ajmitchhello dholbach09:57
realistIt doesn't appear that way (from an outsider's perspective)09:57
sivangmorning dholbach09:57
FujitsuBurgundavia, if IP wasn't shared, we wouldn't have FOSS, and this issue wouldn't exist, exactly.09:57
sivangand hey Hobbsee09:57
Burgundaviarealist: explain to me how LP is different from Ubuntu?09:57
Burgundaviawhy should one be closed and other open?09:58
Hobbseehi sivang09:58
dholbachgood morning09:58
dholbachhey Fujitsu, ajmitch, sivang09:58
realistLP is merely infrastructure09:58
sivangyo dholbach !09:58
Fujitsurealist, MERELY!?09:58
ajmitchrealist: and we run into obstacles with it all the time09:58
FujitsuIt is the most utterly critical thing in the entirety of Ubuntu. It cannot exist without it.09:58
realistUbuntu is a marketing buzz-word09:58
Burgundaviano, Ubuntu is a distro09:58
Fujitsuajmitch, precisely.09:59
FujitsuIt regularly blocks work.09:59
realistUse something else then09:59
Burgundaviarealist: I care about Ubuntu09:59
Burgundaviaif I didn't, I would move to Debian09:59
FujitsuBurgundavia, same. I'm not leaving it unless I really have to.09:59
FujitsuSpeaking of Debian...10:00
FujitsuThis is a sore issue with a number of Debian developers.10:00
Burgundaviarealist: I have spent the better part of 2 years thinking about LP and it being closed source10:00
Burgundaviarealist: so please don't come in and tell me what to think now :)10:00
realistI'm not telling you what to think at all, in fact it's nice to see someone passionate about it10:00
Burgundaviaone of my earliest bosses told me to "taken ownership" of things you care about10:01
Burgundaviathis is exactly why we are discussing LP10:01
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realistFujitsu: what sore issue?10:02
Fujitsurealist, that Ubuntu is supported entirely by a piece of insanely proprietary software.10:02
ajmitchrealist: that ubuntu is built on non-free infrastructure10:02
Burgundaviarealist: Debian belives in freedom, to an almost religious level10:02
Burgundaviaand what ajmitch and Fujitsu said10:02
realistThat does not suprise me at all then10:02
ajmitchseriously, if launchpad went down tomorrow, we'd be in a fair bit of trouble10:03
Fujitsuajmitch, a /fair bit/?10:03
Burgundaviabeing dumb and keeping something closed source is something I expect from dumb companies like Userful10:03
ajmitchFujitsu: mirrors still carry the packages10:03
Burgundaviaajmitch: but we couldn't build anything10:04
realistUbuntu obviously has different goals/ideals than Debian10:04
ajmitchBurgundavia: no, that'd require some serious hacking of getting dak going again on some hosts10:04
Fujitsuajmitch, noted, but we still lose every bit of data not included in the packages themselves.10:04
Fujitsurealist, not entirely.10:04
Burgundaviathat has nothing todo with LP10:04
ajmitchdholbach: sorry I missed the meeting10:05
Burgundaviabetter said: How Ubuntu differs from Debian does not affect LP and its licensing10:05
realistFujitsu: they're noticable enough10:05
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Fujitsurealist, they are, but freedom is still pretty important.10:05
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FujitsuTo me, it is very important. I barely tolerate LP, and it can be tedious to use at times.10:06
Burgundaviarealist: I used to think like you do. Then I started thinking and then I got scared10:06
realistBurgundavia: I don't appreciate that comment.10:06
Burgundaviarealist: no, I am being serious10:06
BurgundaviaI use to think like you do. I am not impying you are not thinking10:06
realistYou mean, scared that Canonical has so much control over contributed IP?10:07
Burgundaviatwo issues: how we collaborate with other projects and what if Canonical goes away10:07
ajmitchscared that we're talking about terms like IP when it's a free software project10:07
Burgundaviabasically teh community si currently ignoring the 300 pound gorilla of LP-being-closed sitting amongst us10:08
Burgundaviawe need to address it10:08
ajmitchclaims of "it'll be open.. eventually" don't alleviate concerns10:09
FujitsuIt is very scary indeed. If Canonical vanishes, or turns evil (however unlikely either of those two are), Ubuntu's data is gone, except for packages. Not a nice thought.10:09
Burgundaviaespecially given I have heard the same line for 2 years with no movement10:09
BurgundaviaI need to get ready to go10:10
Fujitsu"Our goal is to release all of Launchpad as free software, though it will take some time (potentially, years) before that happens."10:10
Fujitsu`Potentially, years'10:10
Burgundaviamight be back on before I leave, but I never know10:11
FujitsuIt's been two years now.10:11
FujitsuWho knows how many more it'll be.10:11
Burgundaviahave a good day/night/morning10:11
FujitsuIt could be hundreds, and that statement would still hold true.10:11
realistIt doesn't necessarily need to be 'open', but a contingency plan should definately be open10:11
sivangBurgundavia: laters10:11
FujitsuBye, Burgundavia.10:11
ajmitchbye Burgundavia10:11
Fujitsurealist, it does really need to be open. It's just wrong have to something completely open on something completely closed.10:12
Fujitsu*based on something10:12
FujitsuUbuntu is being held back in many cases.10:12
realistDepends how idealistic you are.10:12
FujitsuLike, the whole thing that started this argument. The lacking of the Malone non-HTTP interfaces.10:13
ajmitchstop painting it as being 'idealists' vs.. realists..10:13
FujitsuAnd the missing ability of Soyuz to do a rebuild of the archive.10:13
Fujitsu(that's not so major, but it's still a bit of an issue, no FTBFS lists for us!)10:13
ajmitchthere are many cool ideas in launchpad that we'd love to have & could help out with10:13
ajmitchbut we can't10:13
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FujitsuI'd be very willing to help with most LP stuff, especially Malone email/XML-RPC stuff.10:14
ajmitchdebian has benefited from people trying out new ideas with the infrastructure, with things being open10:14
FujitsuBut the code isn't open, and in the current state even if I was allowed to see the code to work on it, I'd have to sign an NDA. And I would never be comfortable signing an NDA for something like that.10:15
realistUnfortunately Ubuntu doesn't _appear_ as democratic as Debian.10:15
realistFujitsu: why's that?10:15
sladenrealist: really?10:16
Fujitsurealist, why to what?10:16
realistWhy would you feel uncomfortable signing a NDA?10:16
realistsladen: from my perspective, however (un)informed it may be10:17
FujitsuBecause it is completely and utterly against the spirit of FOSS. It is against any ethics I have. It is WRONG.10:17
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realistSounds like ideology to me, really.10:18
sladenrealist: "it" ?10:18
sladenFujitsu: you're as bad, you used three "it"s :)10:18
ajmitchrealist: so is the ideology of agreeing with not sharing something critical to free software development10:18
Fujitsusladen, it was fairly clear what I was referring to, I believe.10:19
FujitsuA lot of FOSS is ideology.10:19
FujitsuOops, that didn't come out right.10:20
ajmitchso is closed source development - it just follows a different ideology10:20
realistI suppose we should lobby sf.net to adopt GPL too?10:20
dholbachFujitsu: did you find the time to file those unmet deps bugs?10:20
Fujitsuajmitch, that's what I meant, yes.10:20
sladen(Fujitsu: I wouldn't have asked...)10:20
Hobbseecan someone give me a example of a decent text editor to code in please?10:21
FujitsuHobbsee, vim.10:21
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sladenHobbsee: emacs10:21
ajmitchrealist: yes, many people have been unhappy with sf.net & use other services10:21
sivangHobbsee: emacs10:21
Fujitsudholbach, no, that's what sparked this discussion. I asked in LP if there was a way to do tags via email or any non-HTTP method. There isn't.10:21
Hobbseehmmm ok10:21
realistsf.net still have the right to sell their propriatry software10:22
ajmitchFujitsu: then don't tag them10:22
dholbachFujitsu: I added [UNMETDEPS]  to the title last time10:22
ajmitchFujitsu: you may just have to subscribe a team to them, or do the title trick10:22
sivangHas sf.net ever said something about open sourcing their software?10:22
Fujitsuajmitch, I'm not going to, however I it sparked this discussion, and I'm a bit tied up with it at the moment.10:22
Fujitsudholbach, ajmitch: I plan to do the title, yes.10:22
FujitsuAnd should I subscribe MOTU to them, as last time?10:22
realistsivang: I never said it was the perfect analogy, but you get my point.10:22
dholbachthe script does that all for you10:22
Fujitsudholbach, I know, but is it still a good idea to subscribe MOTU?10:23
dholbachyou just need to feed it a list of source packages which are affected10:23
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dholbachFujitsu: why not?10:23
realistI'd personally like to see LP open source... but ultimately it's something beyond my control.10:23
FujitsuI thought it was deprecated.10:23
ajmitchFujitsu: doesn't matter, we can still do it10:23
FujitsuOK, shall do.10:23
ajmitchthat's why the team exists10:23
dholbachFujitsu: no, 'motureviewers' is10:23
Fujitsudholbach, I've heard that motureviewers isn't, and motu is.10:24
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dholbachI still assign to motu and don't know which team made motu obsolete10:25
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FujitsuI think motu was meant to be obsolete with the introduction of ubuntu-dev with the moving to Soyuz... But motu seems to be used for bugs still.10:26
sivangajmitch: like main stuff ? ;-)10:26
ajmitchsivang: I can't do anything there10:27
FujitsuIs the old bug text fine? It was as follows:10:27
FujitsuA run of10:27
Fujitsu  LC_ALL=C apt-cache -i unmet | grep ^Package | cut -d' ' -f2 | sort -u | \10:27
Fujitsu     xargs apt-cache showsrc | grep Package | sed 's/Package\:\ //g' | sort -u10:27
Fujitsuindicates that the source package plopfolio.app has binary packages that are not10:27
Fujitsuinstallable at the moment.10:27
ajmitchI hope you're running that in pbuilder or a clean chroot10:27
FujitsuI'm not, right now, but for the actual thing I was going to use pbuilder login, yes.10:28
realistWonder how much capital investment Canonical has poured into LaunchPad et al? (Just my parting reflection)10:28
realistBack later...10:29
FujitsuThe `et al' is beside the point. They've poured a whole lot of stuff into Ubuntu, and it's still open. LP is the only closed thing.10:29
ajmitchthat makes the latin pedant in me come out10:30
realistYes, I know... "other people"10:30
realistYou get my drift.10:31
realistHome time.10:31
FujitsuBye, realist.10:31
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sladenrealist: I would guess somewhere between $5-$15 for Launchpad10:46
sladenrealist: million10:46
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FujitsuHi \sh.11:37
ajmitchhi \sh11:39
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dholbachFujitsu: filing those bugs11:42
FujitsuWoops, got tied up with some personal stuff... I'll do so now. Oops.11:43
dholbachFujitsu: no, I just did11:44
dholbachFujitsu: no problem - it was easy enough :-)11:44
FujitsuAh, thanks.11:44
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dholbachand now they'll blame me for filing 247867246426 bugs11:44
=== Fujitsu hugs dholbach.
FujitsuWhere 247867246426 == 160.11:45
FujitsuOr thereabouts.11:45
dholbachthat's bad enough :)11:45
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dholbachGET FIXING!11:47
FujitsuIt's only 0.25% of the entire history of Malone!11:49
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Fujitsudholbach, re. bug #35434, I /did/ give code to reproduce it in the original report.12:53
UbugtuMalone bug 35434 in librsvg2 "SVGs with duplicate IDs cause Nautilus/eog to crash" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3543412:53
dholbachFujitsu: can you attach a .svg? that'd make it easier for me to test it, get a backtrace, etc12:54
FujitsuSure, will do so now...12:54
FujitsuUploading... Once LP gets around to responding.12:55
FujitsuThere we go.12:55
dholbachrock and roll12:55
FujitsuIt is still reproduceable, of course.12:55
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FujitsuOoh, cunning dholbach.01:33
dholbachFujitsu: hm?01:34
FujitsuThe librsvg upload.01:34
dholbachyeah ;-)01:34
dholbachnow I'll go to cook lunch and hopefully debug afterwards ;)01:35
FujitsuAvoiding building debug packages himself :P01:35
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ajmitchyay, masses of zope syncs01:35
dholbachFujitsu: took a leaf out of seb128's book ;)01:35
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zuldholbach: ping03:05
dholbachzul: pong03:06
zuldholbach: just to warn you i might need an uvf exception on thursday fro xen 3.0.3 final03:06
dholbachno problem03:07
ajmitchthanks :)03:07
dholbachno need to warn - just send it in :)03:09
ajmitchdholbach: it already has thumbs up from me :)03:09
zulheh we'll probably be the only distro that doesnt have xen-unstable when released03:10
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sivangdholbach: I just uploaded a 0.0.5 hubackup, will it get built or do I need to get an exception for it? (I'd actually like to be able to upload it with an inclusive exception, since any stage I will get before rlease will be better then the current state)03:12
ajmitchsivang: you usually ask for exceptions before uploading03:13
sivangajmitch: I know, sorry, I forgot as I rushed for the upload since this is a very important fix :-03:13
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sivangajmitch: good night04:24
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Toadstoolg'morning everybody04:48
Gloubiboulgahello Toadstool04:53
Toadstoolhi Gloubiboulga04:58
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matiddholbach: error: package directory 'src/data' does not exist06:02
matiddholbach: Any ideas?06:02
dholbachI need some more information06:03
dholbachpastebin the output of    cat debian/*   and    debuild   or something06:03
dholbachmatid: or upload the package somewhere06:04
dholbachmatid: please upload the package somewhere06:05
dholbachmatid: If I can't see what you did, it's hard for me to find out where the error comes from06:05
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bddebianHeya gang06:23
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elmargoldholbach: do you know if the telepathy guys are planing some features for people like me who are on more than one machine at the same time?06:31
dholbachelmargol: that's not very specific :)06:32
elmargolwell i need to get my messages on both hosts.06:33
dholbachyou can ask in #telepathy - with all the discussions they had at the boston gnome summit - they probably have some new plans :)06:33
elmargoldholbach: ok thx06:33
LaserJockhi bddebian06:34
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cvacuboGood evening.06:40
cvacuboMaybe you can help me ? I created deb package and uploaded to MOTU, but I received the message06:41
cvacuboUploadError escaped upload.process: Unable to find distrorelease: unstable06:42
cvacuboWhat is this distrorelease ?06:42
bddebianHeya LaserJock06:44
cvacuboPlease help me... :(06:45
tuxmaniacAnyone getting this "Ign http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/multiverse Translation-en_US" stuff while an update!!??06:45
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cvacuboWhat should I make to upload coorectly package ???06:48
Gloubiboulgacvacubo, the distro release is set in the changelog06:49
Gloubiboulgacvacubo, did you try to the archive or to REVU?06:49
Gloubiboulgato upload*06:49
Gloubiboulgas/archive/package (damn!)06:50
Gloubiboulgagrr, "did you try to upload the package to the repos or to REVU?" sounds better06:50
cvacuboThis is my debian/changelog file06:50
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cvacubokde-icons-lila (0.8.2-0ubuntu1) stable; urgency=low06:50
LaserJockcvacubo: make sure your debian/changelog entry has edgy in it rather then stable06:50
cvacubo* Initial release06:51
cvacubo -- Artem Abramyan <cvacubo@gmail.com>  Sun,  8 Oct 2006 19:42:30 +040006:51
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cvacuboGloubiboulga:  I am uploaded to upload.ubuntu.com06:51
LaserJockwhy are you doing that?06:52
LaserJockchange "stable" to "edgy" in the changelog and upload it to REVU06:53
cvacuboLaserJock: Because I want help Kubuntu Community. In Kubuntu.org site I readed for KDE-Icons Lila is Suggested Package.06:53
LaserJockcvacubo: right, but you don't have upload rights to Universe06:54
cvacuboLaserJock: Can I change stable to dapper and upload or I need only to Edgy ?06:54
LaserJockcvacubo: do edgy for now, it will need to be changed later though06:54
LaserJockwhen we know what Edgy+1 will be06:55
cvacuboLaserJock: But I joined on LaunchPad.net to Contributors of packages for ubuntu universe  (Approved)06:56
LaserJockwhich means you can upload to REVU06:57
LaserJockwhen you do that MOTU reviewers will review your package. If it is approved by 2 MOTUs then it can be uploaded to Universe06:58
cvacuboLaserJock: OK, Now I need change "stable" on "edgy" and rerun dput ?06:59
LaserJockmake sure to use dput revu *_source.changes to make sure it is going to REVU07:00
LaserJockalso, we are under a Universe Freeze for Edgy so your package would need an exception to get into Edgy07:01
LaserJockmore likely it will go into Edgy+107:01
cvacuboLaserJock: OK, but what about Dapper ?07:01
LaserJockit won't go into Dapper07:03
LaserJockDapper has already been released for some months now07:03
cvacuboLaserJock: OK, I understand :) Thanks a lot.07:03
LaserJockno problem, thanks for the work07:04
cvacuboGood bye07:05
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mwolsonif i want an updated package to be included with dapper-backports, do i go through REVU?07:09
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cvacuboSigner has no upload rights at all to this distribution.07:14
cvacuboLaserJock: Sorry, I changed on edgy and uploaded to upload.ubuntu.com. But I received this message:07:14
cvacuboSigner has no upload rights at all to this distribution.07:14
mwolsoncvacubo: have you added yourself to this yet? https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors/+join07:15
LaserJockcvacubo: do not upload to upload.ubuntu.com07:15
LaserJockcvacubo: use dput revu *_source.changes07:15
cvacuboYes. I have this message You are an active member of this team. You can't join this team.07:16
LaserJockmwolson: no, use Launchpad for -backports07:16
cvacuboLaserJock: Yes I use dput kde-icons-lila_0.8.2-0ubuntu1_source.changes07:16
mwolsonLaserJock: ah ok07:16
cvacuboLaserJock: Or I need use dput revu kde-icons-lila_0.8.2-0ubuntu1_source.changes?07:16
LaserJockcvacubo: dput revu not dput07:16
LaserJockcvacubo: yes, that will send it to REVU07:17
LaserJockrather then trying to upload to Universe directly07:17
cvacuboLaserJock: OK, thanks :)07:17
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kenneanyone here who masters python's distutil ?07:18
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chillywillycan anyone help? Just trying to make a repo with reprepro and gpgme complains there is no data...what's it looking for?07:33
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matidDoes anyone know a solution to this naughty problem with seahorse-agent and debuild?07:35
matidIt refuses to sign a package07:35
cvacuboLaserJock: I have a little question. I can upload to REVO only on FTP or I can upload on SCP ? If on SCP what login and password I should use that ?07:35
matidI have to go around it by: debuild -S -uc -us and later sign the packages with debsign07:35
cvacuboLaserJock: Oh sorry, not REVO - REVU.07:35
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LaserJockmatid: don't use seahors? :-)07:36
LaserJockcvacubo: only FTP I think. Did dput not work for you?07:37
matidLaserJock: Any other suggestions? ;)07:37
LaserJockwell there was the suggestion on the -motu list07:37
matidLaserJock: Thanks! I'll look for it07:38
cvacuboLaserJock: My proxy not allow to upload on FTP :(07:38
LaserJockcvacubo: hmm07:39
LaserJockcvacubo: can you upload it to some webspace07:39
cvacuboLaserJock: Yes, this is a problem :( :( :(07:39
LaserJockcvacubo: as long as people can get to it we can review it07:39
chillywillygpgme gave error: No Data07:40
chillywillywhat does that mean exactly?07:40
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cvacuboLaserJock: Yes, I can upload to some webspace and I can upload on SCP without problem.07:40
chillywillycan't find the gpg key?07:41
LaserJockcvacubo: ok07:41
LaserJockcvacubo: it's not as convenient for us but that's ok07:42
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cvacuboLaserJock: What to me to do? I so wished to help Community: (07:43
gnomefreakLaserJock: can you try me again (im hoping restarting irssi will do it)07:43
LaserJockcvacubo: just upload it somewhere where we can get it07:44
LaserJockgnomefreak: ping07:44
gnomefreakyou get pm?07:44
gnomefreakme neither this time07:44
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cvacuboLaserJock: Maybe the REVU admins can give me access on SCP?07:45
LaserJockI doubt it07:45
LaserJockit wouldn't work with the current system either I don't think07:45
LaserJockjust put it up somewhere and give us the URL07:45
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cvacuboLaserJock: OK. Do you have jabber ID ? Because my IRC don't work with my proxy and now I connected with my phone with GPRS. But Jabber works with my proxy. I can upload my files and send for you URL.07:47
LaserJocklaserjock AT jabber.org07:47
cvacuboLaserJock: OK, Thanks a lot.07:48
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cvacuboLaserJock: artem.abramyan at jabber.org it's me.07:50
cvacuboThanks a lot. Good bye07:50
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LaserJockkristog: what's the problem08:09
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BHSPitMonkeyknow if it's possible to go from an autopackage to a deb?08:19
LaserJockI don't08:22
HawkwindWhy would you be installing autopackages in the first place ?08:22
LaserJockhe didn't say anything about installing08:22
BHSPitMonkeythere's a package in the repos that's outdated (by a few versions), and their site distributes an autopackage08:23
LaserJockdo they also distribute a tarball08:23
BHSPitMonkeywas wondering if there was some practice of converting the latter to the former.08:23
BHSPitMonkeytis gpl, I'm pretty sure08:24
LaserJockgrabbing the tarball is easier I think08:24
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kristogLaserJock, i will attend to the TB meeting today08:25
BHSPitMonkeyI'm not experienced with making deb packages, though... is it cumbersome?08:25
kristogi'm want to be a motu08:26
cbx33kristog, good luck08:26
kristogcbx33, thank you :)08:26
kristogLaserJock, i don't know what TB needs to know for ?accept? me.08:26
LaserJockkristog: what is your LP id?08:26
cbx33kristog, got a wiki page?08:27
kristogcbx33, yes08:27
cbx33you've done a fair amount there ;)08:28
kristogehehe :)08:28
kristogwhat i should provide to TB ?08:30
LaserJockpeople who can vouch for your work08:30
kristoguh ok. same as CC08:31
kristogthank you08:31
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BHSPitMonkeyanybody know Tom Cato Amundsen?08:48
LaserJocknot I08:48
nixternalthe author of GNU Solfege?08:52
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jelmer_hi ajmitch09:35
sivangmorning ajmitch09:37
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raphinkhi sivang09:41
sivanghey raphink , what's up?09:41
raphinknot much :)09:41
raphinkdinner time09:41
kristoghello ajmitch09:42
sivangraphink: hacking on home user backup09:42
raphinkok :)09:42
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LaserJockarggg, maxima, the bug that will never die :/10:01
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phanaticgood evening10:08
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whiprushajmitch: hey I heard you guys were looking for AMD64 machines to build stuff on10:16
ajmitchwhiprush: not me personally, but yeah10:17
ajmitchhi, btw10:17
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joejaxxajmitch: hello :)10:32
joejaxxajmitch: for some reason apt-get does not want to work with my repository10:33
joejaxxit is skipping over the "main" directory10:34
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joejaxxFailed to fetch http://archive.fluxbuntu.net/fluxbuntu/binary-i386//fluxbuntu-desktop_0.1_i386.deb  404 Not Found10:34
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jdongis there anyone of MOTU Media here right now?10:55
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=== sivang looksto the topic to see if there's a link to the unmet deps list.
ajmitchsivang: they should be filed as bugs sometime11:01
sivangajmitch: Fujitsu was up to it, yes?11:02
=== sivang recalls he said something about it during the last 24 hours.
ajmitchdholbach ran a script - something must have broken11:02
FujitsuI got caught up in some stuff, and dholbach did it instead.11:02
FujitsuSo they didn't actually get filed?11:03
dholbachI ran it twice11:05
dholbachthe first time my mail setup was broken11:05
dholbachseems it's still broken11:05
dholbachor LP is not happy with it :/11:05
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FujitsuIs it signing with the right key?11:06
superm1dholbach, in the meanwhile, did it log to a file as well as try to mail it to LP?11:08
dholbachFujitsu: yes11:08
dholbachsuperm1: I have the mail server logs and they look ok11:08
dholbachsuperm1: but i'll check it more closely11:08
dholbachas the bugs didn't get filed: if somebody else wants to do it, go ahead11:08
gesermost gnustep packages from the unmet dep list have a sync request filed already11:09
dholbachhttp://daniel.holba.ch/bzr/massfile is the script11:09
sivangdholbach: I'll try, do I need a machine with just net connection or full repo on me? :)11:16
dholbachlocal mail server, gpg key set up11:16
dholbachand update the list and the instructions file before11:16
sivangdholbach: you mean, one that LP knows and loves for upload suffuces ?11:16
dholbachyes, lp needs to like it11:17
sivangdholbach: cool, do you have anything written up about the instructions file ? is it some sort of configuration file for the script?11:17
dholbachno, nothing written up11:18
dholbachit should be self-explanatory though11:18
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sivangdholbach: okay, got it :-)11:19
sivang(I hope ;-))11:20
dholbacheverybody welcome kristog to the MOTU crew11:32
kristogeheheheh :)11:32
kristoghello *11:32
bddebianw00t, welcome kristog11:32
sivangwelcome kristog !11:32
=== kristog happy to be a MOTU
=== bddebian hands his badge over to kristog
LaserJockkristog: you made it? excellent11:35
kristogLaserJock, thank you :)11:35
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LaserJockanybody know if jono is still banned from freenode? :-)11:36
kristogwhoa.. why he was banned?11:37
LaserJockhe was testing something11:37
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LaserJockand he was automatically kicked or something11:37
LaserJockit's on planet11:37
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ajmitchwelcome, kristog11:39
ajmitchkristog: next stop, core dev?11:39
kristogajmitch, not now :) first some motu work :)11:40
kristogthank you ajmitch :)11:40
gnomefreakLaserJock: last i heard he was waiting for a staffer and crap i should have asked11:41
ajmitchkristog: you know that you're going to be pestered for sponsoring debian uploads now? :)11:41
kristogwhy we are on ubuntu-motu ;)11:42
LaserJockkristog: are you a DD?11:43
ajmitchyes, people want fixes in debian :)11:43
ajmitch& new packages11:43
Pierreonly fixes :)11:43
ajmitchLaserJock: yes, now everyone knows it11:43
kristogLaserJock, today it rains here11:43
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=== ajmitch points everyone to the new MOTU who's a DD ;)
kristogajmitch, and you?11:44
LaserJockalthough it doesn't work as well as having a MOTU handy11:44
ajmitchkristog: I'm nothing special :)11:44
LaserJockDDs can't just upload anything11:44
kristogLaserJock, and * i lost my gpg key 3 weeks ago and i have to wait until the 15 16 october for a new sign11:48
kristogafter 16 i will be happy to review  Debian packages :)11:48
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bddebianLater folks, congrats again kristog11:49
LaserJockdarn it!!!11:49
LaserJockI was whipping up a batch of super acid11:50
LaserJockand my substrates dumped right out of there holder11:50
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LaserJockat least I didn't dump the acid I guess11:52
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LaserJockbut I was trying to be careful11:55
LaserJocklesson learned, teflon is slick ;-)11:55
sivangLaserJock: were you trying to create some morr super position and smaller then anything known to man so far? :)11:55
LaserJockI was trying to wash $100 pieces of glass with concentrated hydrochloric and nitric acid11:56
LaserJockI have a custom made teflon holder for them11:56
sivangLaserJock: do you need it hospital quality steralized?11:57
LaserJocksivang: not exactly steralized11:57
LaserJockcompletely clean11:57
LaserJockstriped down to the silicon11:57
sivanghave you been building printed circuits latley? :)11:58
LaserJockwhen you mix hydrochloric and nitric acid you create a super acid called aqua regia11:58
LaserJockit eats glass11:58
LaserJockI use that for cleaning my substrates11:58
sivangah, Isee11:58
LaserJockno, I don't do electronics too well11:58
LaserJockalthough I need to set up a circuit today on a protoboard11:58
sivangthe combinations of substances sounded familar from burn washing printer circuits11:59
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LaserJockI'm taking a photodiode and making a power meter for my laser out of it11:59
sivangI see12:00
sivangcan I visit you sometimte, *in* the lab? :-)12:00
LaserJockI'll sneak you in ;-)12:00
LaserJockgive you a little laser light show12:00
LaserJockshow you what an exploded gas cylinder can do :-)12:01
imbrandonmoins all12:01
LaserJockafternoon imbrandon12:02
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superm1hi imbrandon12:02
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superm1so guys, post edgy - will there be a new debhelper compat level introduced?12:03
LaserJocksuperm1: depends on what version of debhelper we have12:03
superm1how often do we get updates to debhelper then?12:04
minghuakristog: congratulations and welcome :-)12:04
LaserJocksuperm1: when they are needed12:04
imbrandonkristog, congrats12:04
kristogthank you minghua imbrandon12:05
minghuasuperm1: I expect compat level 5 will stay for a long time12:05
superm1okay, so just watch out for when new debhelper is introduced.  so what sorts of things change that would require a new debhelper compat12:05
imbrandonohh that means in a few weeks i can bug you too about my DD needed uploads ;) ( will trade for main uploads , just teasin )12:06
imbrandonkristog, ^12:06
ajmitchimbrandon: hah12:06
imbrandonajmitch, see i cant bribe you LOL12:06
kristogimbrandon, you can do it :)12:06
ajmitchimbrandon: sure you can12:06
ajmitchjust not with uploads12:07
kristogif your sponsor has no time for you :)12:07
imbrandonajmitch, heh12:07
imbrandonwell my sponsor is anibal he pretty good, we just arent on at the same times alot ;)12:07
=== minghua is astonished by such open bribery :-)
ajmitchminghua: it's called negotiation12:08
=== superm1 wonders what would happen if the rest of the community knew what went on to get people's package agendas taken care of.....
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imbrandonajmitch, well sometime semi soon , probably after RC i'll have a apt-mirror upload , it will close all the open bugs in debian BTS and be a new upstream version AND be converted to cdbs12:08
kristogimbrandon, i cannot promise it to you, but feel free to remember me your Debian needs :)12:09
imbrandon( for debian naturaly else i would just do it myself heh )12:09
kristogimbrandon, you are in the NM12:09
imbrandonkristog, well i only maintain one package in debian so i dont have alot of needs ;)12:09
Toadstoolyay! a new DD around! :)12:09
Toadstoolcongrats' kristog12:10
imbrandonkristog, no i'm the maintainer just not a DD ( only ubuntu core )12:10
kristogajmitch, i start hating you :)12:10
LaserJockwahoo, I got it fixed. Back in the super acid12:10
kristogToadstool, :)12:10
Toadstooland hi everybody, by the way12:10
ajmitchkristog: hah, why? :)12:10
imbrandonand honestly i'm too lazy to go though the DD process ;)12:11

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