[12:14] <tomveens> I have the feeling that the packages where he is working on do not find any progress maybe he needs help? Anyone?
[12:14] <tomveens> anyone can tell me more about this?
[12:16] <crimsun> hmm
[12:16] <crimsun> are you referring to bug 33340?
[12:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 33340 in rp-pppoe "pppoe-server segfaults" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/33340
[12:16] <crimsun> the remaining two bugs mentioned on his wiki page have been marked 'fix released'
[12:20] <lophyte> back
[12:23] <jelmer> I've fixed the bzr-svn package - any chance somebody can have another look at #64826?
[12:42] <geser> lophyte: have you tried to build mpg123 0.60-3?
[12:42] <lophyte> not yet, I had to run off to dinner..
[12:42] <lophyte> I'll try it out now
[12:53] <lophyte> geser: building
[12:56] <lophyte> where do I get the buildlog from? (never done this before...)
[12:57] <geser> when you build with puilder build --pkgname-logfile you get a file name *.build in /var/cache/pbuilder/result
[12:58] <lophyte> ah
[12:58] <geser> alternatively you can direct all output from pbuilder into a file
[12:58] <geser> but I prefer the first method
[12:58] <geser> no need to worry about stdout and stderr
[12:59] <lophyte> do I need to make any changes to the package first, or just build it?
[12:59] <geser> just build
[12:59] <lophyte> alright
[12:59] <geser> motu-uvf needs a proof that the package builds in edgy
[01:02] <Toadstool> re
[01:04] <lophyte> geser: buildlog posted
[01:05] <geser> lophyte: thanks
[01:05] <lophyte> np
[01:47] <rmjb> hey room
[01:49] <LaserJock> hi rmjb
[01:49] <rmjb> I dunno if you all saw in the mailing list, but I created a page on the wiki at wiki.ubuntu.com/Acronyms
[01:49] <LaserJock> heh, was that you?
[01:49] <LaserJock> I wondered who that was
[01:49] <rmjb> it would be great if you all, and the other ubuntu members could add to the page
[01:50] <rmjb> yeah it was me
[01:50] <rmjb> It'll help new ubuntu hopefuls like me, esp in situations like the motu-meeting earlier
[01:53] <rmjb> it'd also help you guys, since, when some keeps asking what's this and what's that you can just point them to the page
[01:55] <LaserJock> :-)
[01:57] <LaserJock> probably
[02:01] <rmjb> when updating a package for whatever reason, is a debdiff the preferred format?
[02:01] <imbrandon> rmjb, yes for most developers/maintainers
[02:01] <rmjb> and for you guys too? the MOTUs?
[02:01] <ajmitch> yes
[02:02] <ajmitch> we generally count as developers & maintainers :)
[02:02] <imbrandon> rmjb, yup ( that falls into the Maintainers )
[02:02] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:02] <rmjb> :)
[02:02] <imbrandon> rmjb, basicly unless someone says they wish it specificly in a diffrent format debdiff is good
[02:05] <ajmitch> well, looks like the bug count is up again from last night
[02:05] <ajmitch> we got it down by about 40, but seems that it went up again after I went to bed :)
[02:05] <ajmitch> http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/
[02:05] <ajmitch> nice big drop in the daily bugs
[02:07] <LaserJock> wow, the weekly all graph is remarkably linear
[02:08] <ajmitch> yeah
[02:08] <ajmitch> it looked almost exponential for awhile
[02:08] <LaserJock> I was thinking today of ways to prioritize MOTU bug work
[02:08] <ajmitch> sorry, the open bugs looked exponential :)
[02:09] <minghua> geez, you guys are fitting from a dozen points
[02:09] <ajmitch> I have my priorities... main first :)
[02:09] <ajmitch> minghua: it's not a scientific study, so who cares?
[02:09] <LaserJock> minghua: bah, all I need is 3 ;-)
[02:09] <minghua> ajmitch: sure, just kidding :-)
[02:10] <zul> ajmitch, heh...xen isnt in main yet ;)
[02:10] <ajmitch> zul: f-spot is
[02:14] <LaserJock> but surely f-spot doesn't have any bugs
[02:16] <ajmitch> :P
[02:23] <imbrandon> LaserJock / ajmitch , either one of you very good with python ftbs errirs ?
[02:23] <imbrandon> errors*
[02:23] <imbrandon> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26120/
[02:24] <ajmitch> imbrandon: "no such file or directory" generally means the same in any language
[02:25] <imbrandon> well yea but sip is installed
[02:25] <ajmitch> and it's searching in a relative path, for a .in file
[02:25] <ajmitch> eg it's looking in it's source tree
[02:25] <ajmitch> s/it's/its/
[02:26] <imbrandon> oh snaz, ok i read that wrong, still strange why its ftb thats stock from the repos ( apt-get source )
[02:26] <imbrandon> hrm
[03:01] <imbrandon_> woot ok time for some tv, hero's is on
[03:01] <imbrandon_> bbiab
[03:06] <zul> tv has ruined my imagination i can think of alot better...umm...yeah
[03:31] <zul> heh
[03:31] <zul> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCgbNhnfSBQ
[04:18] <alexr> Hi there
[04:18] <alexr> anybody has an idea as to whom should the bug in gramps be assigned?
[04:18] <ajmitch> it's best not to assign bugs to people
[04:19] <alexr> Just leave it as is?
[04:19] <alexr> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gramps/+bug/53113
[04:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53113 in gramps "After installing Gramps, double-clicking .grdb file gives "Couldn't display" error" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[04:21] <ajmitch> yes, if the bug is in debian, you may wish to follow up there
[04:23] <ajmitch> generally we're a small group trying to care for a large set of packages, so we look at what we can :)
[04:23] <alexr> ajmitch: it's not in debian
[04:24] <alexr> ajmitch: and it's really strange
[04:24] <ajmitch> the bug isn't in debian?
[04:24] <alexr> Seems like introduced by mistalke
[04:24] <alexr> Nope
[04:24] <alexr> Seems like packager's oops
[04:24] <ajmitch> it doesn't appear to be introduced by any ubuntu change
[04:24] <alexr> How do you know?
[04:24] <ajmitch> maybe a change in one of the build tools we use
[04:24] <alexr> Maybe
[04:24] <ajmitch> because I looked at the ubuntu changelog
[04:25] <alexr> Ubuntu compared to debian?
[04:25] <alexr> or ubuntu to upstream?
[04:25] <ajmitch> ubuntu to debian
[04:25] <alexr> Can you point me to it?
[04:25] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/gramps/+changelog
[04:26] <ajmitch> checking manually now
[04:32] <alexr> ajmitch: I am told that 2.0.11-2ubuntu installs ~/.local/share/mime/packages/Override.xml and then runs update-mime-database on ~/.local/share/mime
[04:32] <alexr> ajmitch: And this Override.xml overrides one of the mime types that we properly register
[04:33] <alexr> ajmitch: I don't run Ubuntu myself.
[04:33] <ajmitch> the package itself should not touch stuff in ~ at all at install - maybe when it is run
[04:33] <alexr> Is it possible that shared mime system is doing this?
[04:33] <alexr> We definitely would not be doing this in gramps
[04:34] <ajmitch> possible, but I wouldn't know
[04:34] <ajmitch> only when programs are run would they touch something in ~/.local
[04:35] <ajmitch> even more odd - the package doesn't appear to have built in ubuntu
[04:36] <ajmitch> or I've just broken something locally, which is more likely
[04:44] <alexr> ajmitch: anything I can do to help?
[04:45] <ajmitch> alexr: well I can't confirm it after installing on my laptop, but I'd need to test more (eg when I can actually see a GUI)
[04:46] <ajmitch> I'd say that it could have been some other app that decided to have fun with mimetypes
[04:46] <alexr> The steps necessary to create the reported situation are:
[04:46] <alexr> 1. Create .local/share/mime/packages/Override.xml
[04:47] <alexr> 2. Run " update-mime-database .local/share/mime/"
[04:47] <alexr> How can some other app do this?
[04:47] <ajmitch> can you explain why a user would end up doing that?
[04:48] <alexr> ajmitch: the user would not do that
[04:48] <alexr> it's just what happens
[04:48] <alexr> I assumed that the packager screwed up
[04:48] <alexr> but I can see now that this is not the case
[04:49] <alexr> Ubuntu: shared-mime-info 0.18-0ubuntu1
[04:49] <alexr> Debian: shared-mime-info 0.19-1
[04:49] <alexr> Can this be the cause?
[04:50] <ajmitch> possible but unlikely
[04:50] <alexr> I'd say unlikely too
[04:50] <ajmitch> I don't think the Override.xml just magically appeared
[04:51] <alexr> more than one person reported this.
[04:51] <alexr> At least 3 that I know if
[04:51] <alexr> of
[04:51] <alexr> They would not be screwing up their systems.
[04:51] <alexr> Only one of them had the knowledge to find out the details on ~/.local
[04:51] <ajmitch> it could be something unrelated like alacarte, for example
[04:52] <alexr> I suppose
[04:52] <ajmitch> or some other tools that play with mime stuff
[04:52] <alexr> I'll be back in a minute from another machine
[04:53] <Amaranth> alacarte doesn't touch anything with mime types
[04:56] <alexr> hi again
[04:56] <Amaranth_> hi
[04:57] <ajmitch> Amaranth_: I didn't think it would
[04:57] <alexr> ajmitch: from http://standards.freedesktop.org/shared-mime-info-spec/shared-mime-info-spec-latest.html
[04:57] <alexr>  Where the information from these files is conflicting, information from directories lower in the list takes precedence. Any file named Override.xml takes precedence over all other files in the same packages directory. This can be used by tools which let the user edit the database to ensure that the user's changes take effect.
[05:06] <Amaranth_> alexr: The problem is no package creates files under ~/.local on install and we don't know what app installed it.
[05:07] <alexr> Amaranth_: Yeah, I understand
[05:07] <Amaranth_> Lag from hell :/
[05:07] <alexr> The thing is, 3 unrelated people reported this on Ubuntu
[05:07] <alexr> they can't all be dreaming :-)
[05:07] <Amaranth_> They have something in common
[05:07] <Amaranth_> Forensics :)
[05:08] <alexr> OK, I guess I'll ask the ones who can reproduce it to delete this stuff and try again.
[05:09] <alexr> In hopes to catch what's generating the Override.xml and running update-mime-database
[05:13] <Amaranth_> brb
[05:50] <alexr> Amaranth: OK, I emailed the latest victim of the Override problem to keep his eyes open
[05:50] <Hobbsee> right.  i'm not going to get burned.
[05:50] <Hobbsee> i hope
[05:50] <alexr> Maybe something will ring a bell and he will recall the use of some smart tool messing up the mime types
[05:52] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[05:52] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: cooking again? :)
[05:52] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no, i'm at the uni :P
[05:52] <ajmitch> I see..
[05:53] <Hobbsee> comp labs just got evacuated again - and they seemed more paniced than usual
[06:27] <joejaxx> hey everyone i was wondering if there wasan ubuntu orphan package list i could look at
[06:27] <joejaxx> ones that people have stopped maintaining
[06:27] <joejaxx> or if there is not a list
[06:27] <crimsun> we don't have 'maintainers' per se, so there's no such list.
[06:27] <joejaxx> how can i go about creating one?
[06:27] <joejaxx> oh
[06:27] <crimsun> i.e., MOTU is in charge of universe and multiverse
[06:28] <joejaxx> crimsun: well how do i find out which packages have just stopped being maintained?
[06:28] <joejaxx> or are not included in these future releases because of that
[06:28] <crimsun> referring to upstream (Debian)? Check Debian's lists.
[06:35] <joejaxx> crimsun: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ :)
[07:12] <nixternal> whats up with the translation stuff in the repos??  getting alot of IGN
[07:28] <Toadstool> great! my wifi (which-almost-never-works-cause-of-the-damn-broadcom-chipset) suddenly went up thanks to network-manager going crazy. No wonder my connection barely worked with both wired and wireless network up without routing info..
[09:14] <sivang> morning!
[09:15] <Fujitsu> Hey sivang.
[09:18] <sivang> hi Fujitsu , what's cracking?
[09:18] <Fujitsu> Currently about to mass-file unmet dep bugs...
[09:19] <Fujitsu> Of course, it'd be nice to tag them all.
[09:19] <Fujitsu> But noooo, LP doesn't provide a tagging feature via email or anything other than HTTP.
[09:20] <sivang> ah, have you poked the folks at #lp ?
[09:20] <Fujitsu> Yup.
[09:20] <sivang> they might have a solution
[09:20] <Fujitsu> Nope.
[09:20] <sivang> how do you mass bug file btw?
[09:20] <Fujitsu> Email, and lots of it.
[09:22] <sivang> Fujitsu: no, but how do you find them out? has ajmitch finished his script ?
[09:22] <Fujitsu> sivang, apt-cache -i unmet does it :P
[09:24] <sivang> Fujitsu: ah, oops, *sigh* apt-cache is subtle and has lots of option to learn I see..:-/
[09:24] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[09:25] <Fujitsu> Heya Hobbsee.
[09:25] <Burgundavia> hey Hobbsee, Fujitsu, sivang
[09:25] <Fujitsu> Hi Burgundavia.
[09:26] <Hobbsee> hey Fujitsu
[09:26] <Hobbsee> hi Burgundavia!
[09:27] <Hobbsee> go sleep?
[09:28] <Burgundavia> can't
[09:28] <Fujitsu> Why not?
[09:28] <Burgundavia> leave for the airport in around 1 1/2 hours
[09:28] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[09:28] <Fujitsu> Ouch.
[09:28] <sivang> Burgundavia: how was boston?
[09:28] <Hobbsee> ouch
[09:28] <Burgundavia> very good
[09:28] <Burgundavia> I was at Mako's until 2am, so it is not so bad
[09:30] <Burgundavia> I have cleaned out the spam trap for -devel and -users, cleaned out my inbox, wrote a new spec
[09:30] <Burgundavia> been quite productive, despite barely being able to put two thoughts together
[09:31] <Fujitsu> What is said spec regarding?
[09:32] <Burgundavia> gdm stuff
[09:32] <Fujitsu> Yay, only 160 sources with uninstallable binaries... Not as bad as I thought.
[09:33] <sivang> Fujitsu: you have a script for mass bug file?
[09:33] <sivang> Fujitsu: IMHO you should use one :-)
[09:34] <Fujitsu> sivang, dholbach had one for last time. I've modified it a bit, and am going to use it.
[09:34] <Fujitsu> I'm not going to file 160 bugs manually :P
[09:34] <Hobbsee> just fix them :P
[09:34] <realist> Is there only a http interface to the bug system?
[09:35] <Fujitsu> realist, there's a slight hint of an XML-RPC interface, and a crippled email interface, but mostly it's just HTTP.
[09:35] <Fujitsu> Although the email interface is fairly useful in most cases.
[09:36] <sivang> I'd say go for the email interface
[09:36] <realist> Burgundavia: I wont ask anymore :-)
[09:36] <Fujitsu> sivang, I am, yes.
[09:36] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, of course :)
[09:36] <Burgundavia> realist: there is no sane reason for LP to be closed source
[09:37] <Burgundavia> maybe it is just because I spent a weekend outside the koolaid at a GNOME event
[09:37] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, 'tis my view too. I'm rather (read extremely) irritated by it... But that's a controversial topic, and is likely to get me killed.
[09:37] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: I am not afaid to say it
[09:38] <realist> I'll sit on the fence as far as it's licensing is concerned.
[09:38] <realist> I can see the benefits from both angles.
[09:38] <Fujitsu> realist, what benefits in closedness can you see?
[09:38] <Burgundavia> Ubuntu has lots of smart people in teh community who would hack on it
[09:39] <Burgundavia> the lack of an XML-RPC interface, general interface brokenness, concern about all of Ubuntu tied to a closed system, etc.
[09:39] <Fujitsu> For one thing, I would have made the email interface fully functional, if the source was available.
[09:39] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, precisely. There's this absolutely open project, based on absolutely closed infrastructure.
[09:39] <Fujitsu> And in some cases being held back by said infrastructure.
[09:39] <Burgundavia> if LP goes away, Ubuntu is screwed
[09:39] <Burgundavia> this is something nobody is willing to say
[09:39] <Fujitsu> Although LP does do some things quite well.
[09:40] <sivang> Guys, it's going to be released open in stages..
[09:40] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, I've said it many a time... Just not around these parts.
[09:40] <sivang> read the FAQ :)
[09:40] <Burgundavia> sivang: Mark has been saying that since Mataro
[09:40] <Burgundavia> I stopped believing it around last year
[09:40] <Fujitsu> sivang, I have. But can we believe it? Soon is relative.
[09:40] <Fujitsu> Soon in geological terms, I can almost believe.
[09:41] <Fujitsu> If it was intended to be open at some point, it would almost definitely not have been written monolithically in the first place. That seems to be the major issue.
[09:41] <realist> Ubuntu can't be all things, to all people...
[09:41] <sivang> Fujitsu: true, an dyou should bare in mind that soon can be stretched for such a complex and large project.
[09:41] <sivang> realist++
[09:42] <Fujitsu> sivang, but there wasn't a reason to have it closed from the start...
[09:42] <Burgundavia> realist: that is totally used arguement
[09:42] <Fujitsu> realist, that's really not applicable to this situation.
[09:42] <Burgundavia> sivang: we have just passed 2 years of LP now
[09:42] <Burgundavia> with no clear roadmap for open sourcing it
[09:43] <Fujitsu> If it were open, it'd have a huge number of extra people willing to work on it.
[09:43] <Burgundavia> I wrote a blog post awhile back about it
[09:43] <sivang> I'm not totally conviced it would get better quicker has it been open sourced. Having lots of people willing to contribute doesn't mean quality will come out of it, nor a clear and assertive project leading be maintained.
[09:44] <Burgundavia> sivang: you are confusing product leadership with our concerns
[09:44] <Burgundavia> we are not talking about not having canonical working on it, or even driving the main development
[09:45] <sivang> and then you would have the LP forks that would probably cripple users promising better results then the original...I think this has to be avoided at call costs, for the moment.
[09:45] <sivang> Burgundavia: ah, I see, right
[09:45] <Burgundavia> unlikely you would have forks
[09:45] <Burgundavia> and somebody else running LP is not a fork
[09:45] <Burgundavia> there is a clear need for people to control their own infrastructure
[09:46] <sivang> I guess I don't see this as a problem..
[09:46] <sivang> People have been using sf.nt and it's still not open source
[09:46] <Burgundavia> sivang: if LP goes away, Ubuntu loses everything
[09:47] <Burgundavia> we lose our build infrastructure, our bug database, our specs
[09:47] <Burgundavia> everything
[09:47] <Fujitsu> If I were to start a distribution, I wouldn't want all of my information locked up in systems controlled by a company with a gigantic commercial interest in another distribution.
[09:47] <Burgundavia> indeed
[09:47] <sivang> Burgundavia: do you really think the people behind the scenens would let this happen? I'm sure they have fallbacks for every part of it.
[09:47] <Fujitsu> SF is different. SF has little/no commercial interest in such things.
[09:47] <Burgundavia> if Canonical goes out of business, what happens to LP is what the creditors say
[09:48] <Burgundavia> in other words, LP would likely be "sold"
[09:48] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, exactly. All Ubuntu data is out of Ubuntu's control.
[09:48] <sivang> Fujitsu: Can you be sure of that? how do you know that they do not favor their advertiser's project over "plain" ones?
[09:48] <sivang> Fujitsu: (just a thought)
[09:49] <sivang> Burgundavia: hmm
[09:49] <sivang> Burgundavia: have you asked that someone?
[09:49] <Burgundavia> at the very least, we need a pledge like the KDE people have from Trolltedch
[09:49] <sivang> you mean, commitment to continue LP just like Ubuntu Foundation has given ?
[09:50] <Fujitsu> sivang, who knows. It seems unlikely.
[09:50] <Burgundavia> sivang: there is no reason why a distro should be using closed source tools
[09:50] <Burgundavia> no, I have not
[09:50] <Burgundavia> I am going to raise it with Mark directly
[09:50] <Burgundavia> plus the fact that Canonical has 30 people working LP is a bit insane
[09:50] <Burgundavia> I mean a commitment like "If Canonical goes bust, LP becomes GPL"
[09:50] <Fujitsu> Whereas Canonical obviously has (and has to) have a gigantic interest in Ubuntu. It is really in Canonical's interests to minimise other distributions, though they aren't doing that.
[09:50] <Burgundavia> contrast LP to RHs Mugshot
[09:50] <Burgundavia> both are fairly pie in the sky projects
[09:51] <Burgundavia> Mugshot, from the giant evil RH, is open source
[09:51] <ajmitch> hi
[09:51] <Burgundavia> LP, from the friendly Canonical, is not
[09:51] <Burgundavia> hey ajmitch
[09:51] <sivang> morning ajmitch
[09:52] <sivang> ajmitch: Fujitsu is filing mass bugs for umet deps :-)
[09:52] <ajmitch> oh no
[09:52] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, or about to.
[09:52] <Fujitsu> It was decided at the meeting last night :P
[09:52] <Fujitsu> ?
[09:52] <sivang> Burgundavia: http://mugshot.org/ ?
[09:53] <sivang> not sure what it does.. a bit confusing if that's the link
[09:53] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:53] <Burgundavia> it doesn't matter what it does
[09:53] <Burgundavia> it matters that RH released it as GPL
[09:53] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[09:53] <Burgundavia> even though it is a server service, would clearly be hurt by "fragmentation", etc.
[09:53] <Fujitsu> That's a seriously bad website >_>
[09:53] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[09:53] <Burgundavia> all the arguments Canonical uses to keep LP closed soruce
[09:54] <sivang> Burgundavia: Well, I think LP is a "little bit" more high profile then a blogging component ;-)
[09:54] <sivang> but yeah, I catch you point
[09:54] <Burgundavia> mugshot is a lot more than blogging
[09:55] <realist> I can't see the harm in Canonical protecting its own IP
[09:55] <Burgundavia> realist: lovely. Lets close Ubuntu then
[09:55] <Burgundavia> because that is Canonicals "IP"
[09:56] <Burgundavia> how about upstart
[09:56] <Burgundavia> lets close that, because clearly it is better to keep that clsoed source
[09:56] <Fujitsu> But of course.
[09:57] <Burgundavia> realist: our entire community is built around sharing our "IP"
[09:57] <Burgundavia> in fact, it is a core piece of why we are having this discussion
[09:57] <Fujitsu> Hi dholbach.
[09:57] <ajmitch> hello dholbach
[09:57] <realist> It doesn't appear that way (from an outsider's perspective)
[09:57] <sivang> morning dholbach
[09:57] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, if IP wasn't shared, we wouldn't have FOSS, and this issue wouldn't exist, exactly.
[09:57] <sivang> and hey Hobbsee
[09:57] <Burgundavia> realist: explain to me how LP is different from Ubuntu?
[09:58] <Burgundavia> why should one be closed and other open?
[09:58] <Hobbsee> hi sivang
[09:58] <dholbach> good morning
[09:58] <dholbach> hey Fujitsu, ajmitch, sivang
[09:58] <realist> LP is merely infrastructure
[09:58] <sivang> yo dholbach !
[09:58] <Fujitsu> realist, MERELY!?
[09:58] <ajmitch> realist: and we run into obstacles with it all the time
[09:58] <Fujitsu> It is the most utterly critical thing in the entirety of Ubuntu. It cannot exist without it.
[09:58] <realist> Ubuntu is a marketing buzz-word
[09:58] <Burgundavia> no, Ubuntu is a distro
[09:59] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, precisely.
[09:59] <Fujitsu> It regularly blocks work.
[09:59] <realist> Use something else then
[09:59] <Burgundavia> realist: I care about Ubuntu
[09:59] <Burgundavia> if I didn't, I would move to Debian
[09:59] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, same. I'm not leaving it unless I really have to.
[10:00] <Fujitsu> Speaking of Debian...
[10:00] <Fujitsu> This is a sore issue with a number of Debian developers.
[10:00] <Burgundavia> realist: I have spent the better part of 2 years thinking about LP and it being closed source
[10:00] <Burgundavia> realist: so please don't come in and tell me what to think now :)
[10:00] <realist> I'm not telling you what to think at all, in fact it's nice to see someone passionate about it
[10:01] <Burgundavia> one of my earliest bosses told me to "taken ownership" of things you care about
[10:01] <Burgundavia> this is exactly why we are discussing LP
[10:02] <realist> Fujitsu: what sore issue?
[10:02] <Fujitsu> realist, that Ubuntu is supported entirely by a piece of insanely proprietary software.
[10:02] <ajmitch> realist: that ubuntu is built on non-free infrastructure
[10:02] <Burgundavia> realist: Debian belives in freedom, to an almost religious level
[10:02] <Burgundavia> and what ajmitch and Fujitsu said
[10:02] <realist> That does not suprise me at all then
[10:03] <ajmitch> seriously, if launchpad went down tomorrow, we'd be in a fair bit of trouble
[10:03] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, a /fair bit/?
[10:03] <Burgundavia> being dumb and keeping something closed source is something I expect from dumb companies like Userful
[10:03] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: mirrors still carry the packages
[10:04] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: but we couldn't build anything
[10:04] <realist> Ubuntu obviously has different goals/ideals than Debian
[10:04] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: no, that'd require some serious hacking of getting dak going again on some hosts
[10:04] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, noted, but we still lose every bit of data not included in the packages themselves.
[10:04] <Fujitsu> realist, not entirely.
[10:04] <Burgundavia> that has nothing todo with LP
[10:05] <ajmitch> dholbach: sorry I missed the meeting
[10:05] <Burgundavia> better said: How Ubuntu differs from Debian does not affect LP and its licensing
[10:05] <realist> Fujitsu: they're noticable enough
[10:05] <Fujitsu> realist, they are, but freedom is still pretty important.
[10:06] <Fujitsu> To me, it is very important. I barely tolerate LP, and it can be tedious to use at times.
[10:06] <Burgundavia> realist: I used to think like you do. Then I started thinking and then I got scared
[10:06] <realist> Burgundavia: I don't appreciate that comment.
[10:06] <Burgundavia> realist: no, I am being serious
[10:06] <Burgundavia> I use to think like you do. I am not impying you are not thinking
[10:07] <realist> You mean, scared that Canonical has so much control over contributed IP?
[10:07] <Burgundavia> two issues: how we collaborate with other projects and what if Canonical goes away
[10:07] <ajmitch> scared that we're talking about terms like IP when it's a free software project
[10:08] <Burgundavia> indeed
[10:08] <Burgundavia> basically teh community si currently ignoring the 300 pound gorilla of LP-being-closed sitting amongst us
[10:08] <Burgundavia> we need to address it
[10:09] <ajmitch> claims of "it'll be open.. eventually" don't alleviate concerns
[10:09] <Fujitsu> It is very scary indeed. If Canonical vanishes, or turns evil (however unlikely either of those two are), Ubuntu's data is gone, except for packages. Not a nice thought.
[10:09] <Burgundavia> especially given I have heard the same line for 2 years with no movement
[10:10] <Burgundavia> I need to get ready to go
[10:10] <Fujitsu> "Our goal is to release all of Launchpad as free software, though it will take some time (potentially, years) before that happens."
[10:10] <Fujitsu> `Potentially, years'
[10:11] <Burgundavia> might be back on before I leave, but I never know
[10:11] <Fujitsu> It's been two years now.
[10:11] <Fujitsu> Who knows how many more it'll be.
[10:11] <Burgundavia> have a good day/night/morning
[10:11] <Fujitsu> It could be hundreds, and that statement would still hold true.
[10:11] <realist> It doesn't necessarily need to be 'open', but a contingency plan should definately be open
[10:11] <sivang> Burgundavia: laters
[10:11] <Fujitsu> Bye, Burgundavia.
[10:11] <ajmitch> bye Burgundavia
[10:12] <Fujitsu> realist, it does really need to be open. It's just wrong have to something completely open on something completely closed.
[10:12] <Fujitsu> *based on something
[10:12] <Fujitsu> Ubuntu is being held back in many cases.
[10:12] <realist> Depends how idealistic you are.
[10:13] <Fujitsu> Like, the whole thing that started this argument. The lacking of the Malone non-HTTP interfaces.
[10:13] <ajmitch> stop painting it as being 'idealists' vs.. realists..
[10:13] <Fujitsu> And the missing ability of Soyuz to do a rebuild of the archive.
[10:13] <Fujitsu> (that's not so major, but it's still a bit of an issue, no FTBFS lists for us!)
[10:13] <ajmitch> there are many cool ideas in launchpad that we'd love to have & could help out with
[10:13] <ajmitch> but we can't
[10:14] <Fujitsu> I'd be very willing to help with most LP stuff, especially Malone email/XML-RPC stuff.
[10:14] <ajmitch> debian has benefited from people trying out new ideas with the infrastructure, with things being open
[10:15] <Fujitsu> But the code isn't open, and in the current state even if I was allowed to see the code to work on it, I'd have to sign an NDA. And I would never be comfortable signing an NDA for something like that.
[10:15] <realist> Unfortunately Ubuntu doesn't _appear_ as democratic as Debian.
[10:15] <realist> Fujitsu: why's that?
[10:16] <sladen> realist: really?
[10:16] <Fujitsu> realist, why to what?
[10:16] <realist> Why would you feel uncomfortable signing a NDA?
[10:17] <realist> sladen: from my perspective, however (un)informed it may be
[10:17] <Fujitsu> Because it is completely and utterly against the spirit of FOSS. It is against any ethics I have. It is WRONG.
[10:18] <realist> Sounds like ideology to me, really.
[10:18] <sladen> realist: "it" ?
[10:18] <sladen> Fujitsu: you're as bad, you used three "it"s :)
[10:18] <ajmitch> realist: so is the ideology of agreeing with not sharing something critical to free software development
[10:19] <Fujitsu> sladen, it was fairly clear what I was referring to, I believe.
[10:19] <Fujitsu> A lot of FOSS is ideology.
[10:20] <Fujitsu> Oops, that didn't come out right.
[10:20] <ajmitch> so is closed source development - it just follows a different ideology
[10:20] <realist> I suppose we should lobby sf.net to adopt GPL too?
[10:20] <dholbach> Fujitsu: did you find the time to file those unmet deps bugs?
[10:20] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, that's what I meant, yes.
[10:20] <sladen> (Fujitsu: I wouldn't have asked...)
[10:21] <Hobbsee> can someone give me a example of a decent text editor to code in please?
[10:21] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, vim.
[10:21] <sladen> Hobbsee: emacs
[10:21] <ajmitch> realist: yes, many people have been unhappy with sf.net & use other services
[10:21] <sivang> Hobbsee: emacs
[10:21] <Fujitsu> dholbach, no, that's what sparked this discussion. I asked in LP if there was a way to do tags via email or any non-HTTP method. There isn't.
[10:21] <Hobbsee> hmmm ok
[10:22] <realist> sf.net still have the right to sell their propriatry software
[10:22] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: then don't tag them
[10:22] <dholbach> Fujitsu: I added [UNMETDEPS]  to the title last time
[10:22] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: you may just have to subscribe a team to them, or do the title trick
[10:22] <sivang> Has sf.net ever said something about open sourcing their software?
[10:22] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, I'm not going to, however I it sparked this discussion, and I'm a bit tied up with it at the moment.
[10:22] <Fujitsu> dholbach, ajmitch: I plan to do the title, yes.
[10:22] <Fujitsu> And should I subscribe MOTU to them, as last time?
[10:22] <realist> sivang: I never said it was the perfect analogy, but you get my point.
[10:22] <dholbach> the script does that all for you
[10:23] <Fujitsu> dholbach, I know, but is it still a good idea to subscribe MOTU?
[10:23] <dholbach> you just need to feed it a list of source packages which are affected
[10:23] <dholbach> Fujitsu: why not?
[10:23] <realist> I'd personally like to see LP open source... but ultimately it's something beyond my control.
[10:23] <Fujitsu> I thought it was deprecated.
[10:23] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: doesn't matter, we can still do it
[10:23] <Fujitsu> OK, shall do.
[10:23] <ajmitch> that's why the team exists
[10:23] <dholbach> Fujitsu: no, 'motureviewers' is
[10:24] <Fujitsu> dholbach, I've heard that motureviewers isn't, and motu is.
[10:25] <dholbach> I still assign to motu and don't know which team made motu obsolete
[10:26] <Fujitsu> I think motu was meant to be obsolete with the introduction of ubuntu-dev with the moving to Soyuz... But motu seems to be used for bugs still.
[10:26] <sivang> ajmitch: like main stuff ? ;-)
[10:27] <ajmitch> sivang: I can't do anything there
[10:27] <Fujitsu> Is the old bug text fine? It was as follows:
[10:27] <Fujitsu> A run of
[10:27] <Fujitsu>   LC_ALL=C apt-cache -i unmet | grep ^Package | cut -d' ' -f2 | sort -u | \
[10:27] <Fujitsu>      xargs apt-cache showsrc | grep Package | sed 's/Package\:\ //g' | sort -u
[10:27] <Fujitsu> indicates that the source package plopfolio.app has binary packages that are not
[10:27] <Fujitsu> installable at the moment.
[10:27] <ajmitch> I hope you're running that in pbuilder or a clean chroot
[10:28] <Fujitsu> I'm not, right now, but for the actual thing I was going to use pbuilder login, yes.
[10:28] <realist> Wonder how much capital investment Canonical has poured into LaunchPad et al? (Just my parting reflection)
[10:29] <realist> Back later...
[10:29] <Fujitsu> The `et al' is beside the point. They've poured a whole lot of stuff into Ubuntu, and it's still open. LP is the only closed thing.
[10:30] <ajmitch> that makes the latin pedant in me come out
[10:30] <realist> Yes, I know... "other people"
[10:31] <realist> You get my drift.
[10:31] <realist> Home time.
[10:31] <Fujitsu> Bye, realist.
[10:46] <sladen> realist: I would guess somewhere between $5-$15 for Launchpad
[10:46] <sladen> realist: million
[11:35] <\sh> moins
[11:37] <Fujitsu> Hi \sh.
[11:37] <StevenK> \sh!
[11:39] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[11:42] <dholbach> Fujitsu: filing those bugs
[11:43] <Fujitsu> Woops, got tied up with some personal stuff... I'll do so now. Oops.
[11:44] <dholbach> Fujitsu: no, I just did
[11:44] <dholbach> Fujitsu: no problem - it was easy enough :-)
[11:44] <Fujitsu> Ah, thanks.
[11:44] <dholbach> and now they'll blame me for filing 247867246426 bugs
[11:45] <Fujitsu> Where 247867246426 == 160.
[11:45] <Fujitsu> Or thereabouts.
[11:45] <dholbach> that's bad enough :)
[11:46] <ajmitch> :)
[11:47] <dholbach> GET FIXING!
[11:47] <dholbach> ;-)
[11:49] <Fujitsu> It's only 0.25% of the entire history of Malone!
[12:53] <Fujitsu> dholbach, re. bug #35434, I /did/ give code to reproduce it in the original report.
[12:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35434 in librsvg2 "SVGs with duplicate IDs cause Nautilus/eog to crash" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35434
[12:54] <dholbach> Fujitsu: can you attach a .svg? that'd make it easier for me to test it, get a backtrace, etc
[12:54] <Fujitsu> Sure, will do so now...
[12:54] <dholbach> thanks
[12:55] <Fujitsu> Uploading... Once LP gets around to responding.
[12:55] <Fujitsu> There we go.
[12:55] <dholbach> rock and roll
[12:55] <Fujitsu> It is still reproduceable, of course.
[12:56] <dholbach> ok
[01:33] <Fujitsu> Ooh, cunning dholbach.
[01:34] <dholbach> Fujitsu: hm?
[01:34] <Fujitsu> The librsvg upload.
[01:34] <dholbach> yeah ;-)
[01:34] <ajmitch> cunning?
[01:35] <dholbach> now I'll go to cook lunch and hopefully debug afterwards ;)
[01:35] <Fujitsu> Avoiding building debug packages himself :P
[01:35] <ajmitch> yay, masses of zope syncs
[01:35] <dholbach> Fujitsu: took a leaf out of seb128's book ;)
[03:05] <zul> dholbach: ping
[03:06] <dholbach> zul: pong
[03:06] <zul> dholbach: just to warn you i might need an uvf exception on thursday fro xen 3.0.3 final
[03:07] <dholbach> no problem
[03:07] <ajmitch> thanks :)
[03:09] <dholbach> no need to warn - just send it in :)
[03:09] <ajmitch> dholbach: it already has thumbs up from me :)
[03:10] <zul> heh we'll probably be the only distro that doesnt have xen-unstable when released
[03:12] <sivang> dholbach: I just uploaded a 0.0.5 hubackup, will it get built or do I need to get an exception for it? (I'd actually like to be able to upload it with an inclusive exception, since any stage I will get before rlease will be better then the current state)
[03:13] <ajmitch> sivang: you usually ask for exceptions before uploading
[03:13] <sivang> ajmitch: I know, sorry, I forgot as I rushed for the upload since this is a very important fix :-
[03:13] <sivang> :-/
[04:24] <sivang> ajmitch: good night
[04:48] <Toadstool> g'morning everybody
[04:53] <Gloubiboulga> hello Toadstool
[04:58] <Toadstool> hi Gloubiboulga
[06:02] <matid> dholbach: error: package directory 'src/data' does not exist
[06:02] <matid> dholbach: Any ideas?
[06:03] <dholbach> I need some more information
[06:03] <dholbach> pastebin the output of    cat debian/*   and    debuild   or something
[06:04] <dholbach> matid: or upload the package somewhere
[06:05] <dholbach> matid: please upload the package somewhere
[06:05] <dholbach> matid: If I can't see what you did, it's hard for me to find out where the error comes from
[06:23] <bddebian> Heya gang
[06:31] <elmargol> dholbach: do you know if the telepathy guys are planing some features for people like me who are on more than one machine at the same time?
[06:32] <dholbach> elmargol: that's not very specific :)
[06:33] <elmargol> well i need to get my messages on both hosts.
[06:33] <dholbach> you can ask in #telepathy - with all the discussions they had at the boston gnome summit - they probably have some new plans :)
[06:33] <elmargol> dholbach: ok thx
[06:34] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[06:40] <cvacubo> Good evening.
[06:41] <LaserJock> hello
[06:41] <cvacubo> Maybe you can help me ? I created deb package and uploaded to MOTU, but I received the message
[06:42] <cvacubo> Rejected:
[06:42] <cvacubo> UploadError escaped upload.process: Unable to find distrorelease: unstable
[06:42] <cvacubo> What is this distrorelease ?
[06:44] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[06:45] <cvacubo> Please help me... :(
[06:45] <tuxmaniac> Anyone getting this "Ign http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/multiverse Translation-en_US" stuff while an update!!??
[06:48] <cvacubo> What should I make to upload coorectly package ???
[06:49] <Gloubiboulga> cvacubo, the distro release is set in the changelog
[06:49] <Gloubiboulga> cvacubo, did you try to the archive or to REVU?
[06:49] <Gloubiboulga> to upload*
[06:50] <Gloubiboulga> s/archive/package (damn!)
[06:50] <Gloubiboulga> grr, "did you try to upload the package to the repos or to REVU?" sounds better
[06:50] <cvacubo> This is my debian/changelog file
[06:50] <cvacubo> kde-icons-lila (0.8.2-0ubuntu1) stable; urgency=low
[06:50] <LaserJock> cvacubo: make sure your debian/changelog entry has edgy in it rather then stable
[06:51] <cvacubo> * Initial release
[06:51] <cvacubo>  -- Artem Abramyan <cvacubo@gmail.com>  Sun,  8 Oct 2006 19:42:30 +0400
[06:51] <cvacubo> Gloubiboulga:  I am uploaded to upload.ubuntu.com
[06:52] <LaserJock> yikes
[06:52] <LaserJock> why are you doing that?
[06:53] <LaserJock> anyway
[06:53] <LaserJock> change "stable" to "edgy" in the changelog and upload it to REVU
[06:53] <cvacubo> LaserJock: Because I want help Kubuntu Community. In Kubuntu.org site I readed for KDE-Icons Lila is Suggested Package.
[06:54] <LaserJock> cvacubo: right, but you don't have upload rights to Universe
[06:54] <cvacubo> LaserJock: Can I change stable to dapper and upload or I need only to Edgy ?
[06:54] <LaserJock> cvacubo: do edgy for now, it will need to be changed later though
[06:55] <LaserJock> when we know what Edgy+1 will be
[06:56] <cvacubo> LaserJock: But I joined on LaunchPad.net to Contributors of packages for ubuntu universe  (Approved)
[06:57] <LaserJock> right
[06:57] <LaserJock> which means you can upload to REVU
[06:58] <LaserJock> when you do that MOTU reviewers will review your package. If it is approved by 2 MOTUs then it can be uploaded to Universe
[06:59] <cvacubo> LaserJock: OK, Now I need change "stable" on "edgy" and rerun dput ?
[07:00] <LaserJock> yes
[07:00] <LaserJock> make sure to use dput revu *_source.changes to make sure it is going to REVU
[07:01] <LaserJock> also, we are under a Universe Freeze for Edgy so your package would need an exception to get into Edgy
[07:01] <LaserJock> more likely it will go into Edgy+1
[07:01] <cvacubo> LaserJock: OK, but what about Dapper ?
[07:03] <LaserJock> it won't go into Dapper
[07:03] <LaserJock> Dapper has already been released for some months now
[07:03] <cvacubo> LaserJock: OK, I understand :) Thanks a lot.
[07:04] <LaserJock> no problem, thanks for the work
[07:05] <cvacubo> Good bye
[07:09] <mwolson> if i want an updated package to be included with dapper-backports, do i go through REVU?
[07:14] <cvacubo> Rejected:
[07:14] <cvacubo> Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution.
[07:14] <cvacubo> LaserJock: Sorry, I changed on edgy and uploaded to upload.ubuntu.com. But I received this message:
[07:14] <cvacubo> Rejected:
[07:14] <cvacubo> Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution.
[07:15] <mwolson> cvacubo: have you added yourself to this yet? https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors/+join
[07:15] <LaserJock> cvacubo: do not upload to upload.ubuntu.com
[07:15] <LaserJock> cvacubo: use dput revu *_source.changes
[07:16] <cvacubo> Yes. I have this message You are an active member of this team. You can't join this team.
[07:16] <LaserJock> mwolson: no, use Launchpad for -backports
[07:16] <cvacubo> LaserJock: Yes I use dput kde-icons-lila_0.8.2-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[07:16] <LaserJock> no
[07:16] <mwolson> LaserJock: ah ok
[07:16] <cvacubo> LaserJock: Or I need use dput revu kde-icons-lila_0.8.2-0ubuntu1_source.changes?
[07:16] <LaserJock> cvacubo: dput revu not dput
[07:17] <LaserJock> cvacubo: yes, that will send it to REVU
[07:17] <LaserJock> rather then trying to upload to Universe directly
[07:17] <cvacubo> LaserJock: OK, thanks :)
[07:17] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:18] <kenne> hi
[07:18] <kenne> anyone here who masters python's distutil ?
[07:33] <chillywilly> can anyone help? Just trying to make a repo with reprepro and gpgme complains there is no data...what's it looking for?
[07:35] <matid> Does anyone know a solution to this naughty problem with seahorse-agent and debuild?
[07:35] <matid> It refuses to sign a package
[07:35] <cvacubo> LaserJock: I have a little question. I can upload to REVO only on FTP or I can upload on SCP ? If on SCP what login and password I should use that ?
[07:35] <matid> I have to go around it by: debuild -S -uc -us and later sign the packages with debsign
[07:35] <cvacubo> LaserJock: Oh sorry, not REVO - REVU.
[07:36] <LaserJock> matid: don't use seahors? :-)
[07:36] <matid> Hm...
[07:37] <LaserJock> cvacubo: only FTP I think. Did dput not work for you?
[07:37] <matid> LaserJock: Any other suggestions? ;)
[07:37] <LaserJock> nope
[07:37] <LaserJock> oh
[07:37] <LaserJock> well there was the suggestion on the -motu list
[07:38] <matid> LaserJock: Thanks! I'll look for it
[07:38] <cvacubo> LaserJock: My proxy not allow to upload on FTP :(
[07:39] <LaserJock> cvacubo: hmm
[07:39] <LaserJock> cvacubo: can you upload it to some webspace
[07:39] <cvacubo> LaserJock: Yes, this is a problem :( :( :(
[07:39] <LaserJock> cvacubo: as long as people can get to it we can review it
[07:40] <chillywilly> gpgme gave error: No Data
[07:40] <chillywilly> what does that mean exactly?
[07:40] <cvacubo> LaserJock: Yes, I can upload to some webspace and I can upload on SCP without problem.
[07:41] <chillywilly> can't find the gpg key?
[07:41] <LaserJock> cvacubo: ok
[07:42] <LaserJock> cvacubo: it's not as convenient for us but that's ok
[07:43] <cvacubo> LaserJock: What to me to do? I so wished to help Community: (
[07:43] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: can you try me again (im hoping restarting irssi will do it)
[07:44] <LaserJock> cvacubo: just upload it somewhere where we can get it
[07:44] <LaserJock> gnomefreak: ping
[07:44] <gnomefreak> you get pm?
[07:44] <LaserJock> nope
[07:44] <gnomefreak> me neither this time
[07:45] <cvacubo> LaserJock: Maybe the REVU admins can give me access on SCP?
[07:45] <LaserJock> I doubt it
[07:45] <LaserJock> it wouldn't work with the current system either I don't think
[07:45] <LaserJock> just put it up somewhere and give us the URL
[07:47] <cvacubo> LaserJock: OK. Do you have jabber ID ? Because my IRC don't work with my proxy and now I connected with my phone with GPRS. But Jabber works with my proxy. I can upload my files and send for you URL.
[07:47] <LaserJock> laserjock AT jabber.org
[07:48] <cvacubo> LaserJock: OK, Thanks a lot.
[07:50] <cvacubo> LaserJock: artem.abramyan at jabber.org it's me.
[07:50] <cvacubo> Thanks a lot. Good bye
[08:09] <LaserJock> kristog: what's the problem
[08:16] <BHSPitMonkey> hi's.
[08:16] <LaserJock> hi
[08:19] <BHSPitMonkey> know if it's possible to go from an autopackage to a deb?
[08:22] <LaserJock> I don't
[08:22] <Hawkwind> Why would you be installing autopackages in the first place ?
[08:22] <LaserJock> he didn't say anything about installing
[08:22] <LaserJock> :-)
[08:23] <BHSPitMonkey> there's a package in the repos that's outdated (by a few versions), and their site distributes an autopackage
[08:23] <LaserJock> do they also distribute a tarball
[08:23] <BHSPitMonkey> was wondering if there was some practice of converting the latter to the former.
[08:23] <BHSPitMonkey> yes
[08:24] <BHSPitMonkey> tis gpl, I'm pretty sure
[08:24] <LaserJock> grabbing the tarball is easier I think
[08:25] <BHSPitMonkey> mmk.
[08:25] <kristog> LaserJock, i will attend to the TB meeting today
[08:25] <BHSPitMonkey> I'm not experienced with making deb packages, though... is it cumbersome?
[08:26] <kristog> i'm want to be a motu
[08:26] <cbx33> kristog, good luck
[08:26] <kristog> cbx33, thank you :)
[08:26] <kristog> LaserJock, i don't know what TB needs to know for ?accept? me.
[08:26] <LaserJock> kristog: what is your LP id?
[08:26] <kristog> giskard
[08:27] <kristog> https://launchpad.net/people/giskard
[08:27] <cbx33> kristog, got a wiki page?
[08:27] <kristog> cbx33, yes
[08:27] <kristog> wiki.ubuntu.org/RiccardoSetti
[08:27] <cbx33> nice
[08:28] <cbx33> you've done a fair amount there ;)
[08:28] <kristog> ehehe :)
[08:30] <kristog> what i should provide to TB ?
[08:30] <LaserJock> people who can vouch for your work
[08:30] <LaserJock> sponsors
[08:31] <kristog> uh ok. same as CC
[08:31] <kristog> thank you
[08:35] <sivang> re
[08:48] <BHSPitMonkey> anybody know Tom Cato Amundsen?
[08:48] <LaserJock> not I
[08:52] <nixternal> the author of GNU Solfege?
[09:34] <ajmitch> morning
[09:35] <jelmer_> hi ajmitch
[09:37] <sivang> morning ajmitch
[09:41] <raphink> hi sivang
[09:41] <sivang> hey raphink , what's up?
[09:41] <raphink> not much :)
[09:41] <raphink> dinner time
[09:41] <raphink> you?
[09:42] <kristog> hello ajmitch
[09:42] <sivang> raphink: hacking on home user backup
[09:42] <raphink> ok :)
[10:01] <LaserJock> arggg, maxima, the bug that will never die :/
[10:08] <phanatic> good evening
[10:16] <whiprush> ajmitch: hey I heard you guys were looking for AMD64 machines to build stuff on
[10:17] <ajmitch> whiprush: not me personally, but yeah
[10:17] <ajmitch> hi, btw
[10:32] <joejaxx> ajmitch: hello :)
[10:32] <ajmitch> hi
[10:33] <joejaxx> ajmitch: for some reason apt-get does not want to work with my repository
[10:33] <joejaxx> domain/fluxbuntu/dists/main/binary-i386/package.deb
[10:34] <joejaxx> it is skipping over the "main" directory
[10:34] <joejaxx> Failed to fetch http://archive.fluxbuntu.net/fluxbuntu/binary-i386//fluxbuntu-desktop_0.1_i386.deb  404 Not Found
[10:55] <jdong> is there anyone of MOTU Media here right now?
[11:01] <ajmitch> sivang: they should be filed as bugs sometime
[11:02] <sivang> ajmitch: Fujitsu was up to it, yes?
[11:02] <ajmitch> dholbach ran a script - something must have broken
[11:02] <Fujitsu> I got caught up in some stuff, and dholbach did it instead.
[11:03] <Fujitsu> So they didn't actually get filed?
[11:05] <dholbach> I ran it twice
[11:05] <dholbach> the first time my mail setup was broken
[11:05] <dholbach> seems it's still broken
[11:05] <dholbach> or LP is not happy with it :/
[11:06] <Fujitsu> Is it signing with the right key?
[11:08] <superm1> dholbach, in the meanwhile, did it log to a file as well as try to mail it to LP?
[11:08] <dholbach> Fujitsu: yes
[11:08] <dholbach> superm1: I have the mail server logs and they look ok
[11:08] <dholbach> superm1: but i'll check it more closely
[11:08] <superm1> ook
[11:08] <dholbach> as the bugs didn't get filed: if somebody else wants to do it, go ahead
[11:09] <geser> most gnustep packages from the unmet dep list have a sync request filed already
[11:09] <dholbach> http://daniel.holba.ch/bzr/massfile is the script
[11:16] <sivang> dholbach: I'll try, do I need a machine with just net connection or full repo on me? :)
[11:16] <dholbach> local mail server, gpg key set up
[11:16] <dholbach> and update the list and the instructions file before
[11:16] <sivang> dholbach: you mean, one that LP knows and loves for upload suffuces ?
[11:16] <sivang> suffices
[11:17] <dholbach> yes, lp needs to like it
[11:17] <sivang> dholbach: cool, do you have anything written up about the instructions file ? is it some sort of configuration file for the script?
[11:18] <dholbach> no, nothing written up
[11:18] <dholbach> it should be self-explanatory though
[11:19] <sivang> dholbach: okay, got it :-)
[11:20] <sivang> (I hope ;-))
[11:32] <dholbach> everybody welcome kristog to the MOTU crew
[11:32] <kristog> eheheheh :)
[11:32] <kristog> hello *
[11:32] <bddebian> w00t, welcome kristog
[11:32] <kristog> :)
[11:32] <sivang> welcome kristog !
[11:35] <LaserJock> kristog: you made it? excellent
[11:35] <kristog> LaserJock, thank you :)
[11:36] <LaserJock> anybody know if jono is still banned from freenode? :-)
[11:37] <kristog> whoa.. why he was banned?
[11:37] <LaserJock> he was testing something
[11:37] <LaserJock> and he was automatically kicked or something
[11:37] <LaserJock> it's on planet
[11:39] <ajmitch> welcome, kristog
[11:39] <ajmitch> kristog: next stop, core dev?
[11:40] <kristog> ajmitch, not now :) first some motu work :)
[11:40] <kristog> thank you ajmitch :)
[11:41] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: last i heard he was waiting for a staffer and crap i should have asked
[11:41] <ajmitch> kristog: you know that you're going to be pestered for sponsoring debian uploads now? :)
[11:42] <kristog> debian?
[11:42] <kristog> why we are on ubuntu-motu ;)
[11:42] <kristog> ahah
[11:43] <LaserJock> kristog: are you a DD?
[11:43] <ajmitch> yes, people want fixes in debian :)
[11:43] <ajmitch> & new packages
[11:43] <Pierre> only fixes :)
[11:43] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes, now everyone knows it
[11:43] <kristog> LaserJock, today it rains here
[11:43] <LaserJock> mwuahahaha
[11:44] <kristog> ajmitch, and you?
[11:44] <LaserJock> although it doesn't work as well as having a MOTU handy
[11:44] <ajmitch> kristog: I'm nothing special :)
[11:44] <LaserJock> DDs can't just upload anything
[11:48] <kristog> LaserJock, and * i lost my gpg key 3 weeks ago and i have to wait until the 15 16 october for a new sign
[11:48] <kristog> after 16 i will be happy to review  Debian packages :)
[11:49] <bddebian> Later folks, congrats again kristog
[11:49] <LaserJock> darn it!!!
[11:50] <LaserJock> I was whipping up a batch of super acid
[11:50] <LaserJock> and my substrates dumped right out of there holder
[11:50] <LaserJock> s/there/their/
[11:52] <LaserJock> at least I didn't dump the acid I guess
[11:53] <ajmitch> :)
[11:55] <LaserJock> but I was trying to be careful
[11:55] <LaserJock> lesson learned, teflon is slick ;-)
[11:55] <sivang> LaserJock: were you trying to create some morr super position and smaller then anything known to man so far? :)
[11:56] <LaserJock> I was trying to wash $100 pieces of glass with concentrated hydrochloric and nitric acid
[11:56] <LaserJock> I have a custom made teflon holder for them
[11:57] <sivang> LaserJock: do you need it hospital quality steralized?
[11:57] <LaserJock> sivang: not exactly steralized
[11:57] <LaserJock> completely clean
[11:57] <LaserJock> striped down to the silicon
[11:58] <sivang> have you been building printed circuits latley? :)
[11:58] <LaserJock> when you mix hydrochloric and nitric acid you create a super acid called aqua regia
[11:58] <LaserJock> it eats glass
[11:58] <LaserJock> I use that for cleaning my substrates
[11:58] <sivang> ah, Isee
[11:58] <LaserJock> no, I don't do electronics too well
[11:58] <LaserJock> although I need to set up a circuit today on a protoboard
[11:59] <sivang> the combinations of substances sounded familar from burn washing printer circuits
[11:59] <LaserJock> I'm taking a photodiode and making a power meter for my laser out of it
[12:00] <sivang> I see
[12:00] <sivang> can I visit you sometimte, *in* the lab? :-)
[12:00] <LaserJock> sure
[12:00] <LaserJock> I'll sneak you in ;-)
[12:00] <LaserJock> give you a little laser light show
[12:01] <LaserJock> show you what an exploded gas cylinder can do :-)
[12:01] <imbrandon> moins all
[12:02] <LaserJock> afternoon imbrandon
[12:02] <superm1> hi imbrandon
[12:03] <superm1> so guys, post edgy - will there be a new debhelper compat level introduced?
[12:03] <LaserJock> superm1: depends on what version of debhelper we have
[12:04] <superm1> how often do we get updates to debhelper then?
[12:04] <minghua> kristog: congratulations and welcome :-)
[12:04] <LaserJock> superm1: when they are needed
[12:04] <imbrandon> kristog, congrats
[12:05] <kristog> thank you minghua imbrandon
[12:05] <minghua> superm1: I expect compat level 5 will stay for a long time
[12:05] <superm1> okay, so just watch out for when new debhelper is introduced.  so what sorts of things change that would require a new debhelper compat
[12:05] <jfrost> hi
[12:06] <imbrandon> ohh that means in a few weeks i can bug you too about my DD needed uploads ;) ( will trade for main uploads , just teasin )
[12:06] <imbrandon> kristog, ^
[12:06] <ajmitch> imbrandon: hah
[12:06] <imbrandon> ajmitch, see i cant bribe you LOL
[12:06] <kristog> imbrandon, you can do it :)
[12:06] <ajmitch> imbrandon: sure you can
[12:07] <ajmitch> just not with uploads
[12:07] <kristog> if your sponsor has no time for you :)
[12:07] <imbrandon> ajmitch, heh
[12:07] <imbrandon> well my sponsor is anibal he pretty good, we just arent on at the same times alot ;)
[12:08] <ajmitch> minghua: it's called negotiation
[12:08] <imbrandon> ajmitch, well sometime semi soon , probably after RC i'll have a apt-mirror upload , it will close all the open bugs in debian BTS and be a new upstream version AND be converted to cdbs
[12:09] <kristog> imbrandon, i cannot promise it to you, but feel free to remember me your Debian needs :)
[12:09] <imbrandon> ( for debian naturaly else i would just do it myself heh )
[12:09] <kristog> imbrandon, you are in the NM
[12:09] <imbrandon> kristog, well i only maintain one package in debian so i dont have alot of needs ;)
[12:09] <Toadstool> yay! a new DD around! :)
[12:10] <Toadstool> congrats' kristog
[12:10] <imbrandon> kristog, no i'm the maintainer just not a DD ( only ubuntu core )
[12:10] <kristog> ajmitch, i start hating you :)
[12:10] <LaserJock> wahoo, I got it fixed. Back in the super acid
[12:10] <Toadstool> heh
[12:10] <kristog> Toadstool, :)
[12:10] <Toadstool> and hi everybody, by the way
[12:10] <ajmitch> kristog: hah, why? :)
[12:11] <imbrandon> and honestly i'm too lazy to go though the DD process ;)