[12:18] <keltorsori> cyberhell86: also, do you know the exact chipset or model of your integrated wireless (or your Gateway laptop model name/number)?
[12:19] <cyberhell86> yes... give me a sec.. and i'll give it to you
[12:23] <cyberhell86> how can i see the model of my wireless :$ sorry for the question.. :(
[12:24] <keltorsori> just gimme the model name/number of your laptop and we can find out
[12:24] <cyberhell86> ok.. it's 7330gz
[12:25] <keltorsori> looks like its a broadcom card
[12:25] <cyberhell86> yes.. :S
[12:25] <keltorsori> tried ndiswrapper yet?
[12:27] <keltorsori> cyberhell86: try this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174&highlight=broadcom
[12:27] <cyberhell86> not yet.. cuz i read the manual.. but i don't know how to use it..
[12:28] <keltorsori> cyberhell86: gotta go get some margaritas. good luck. see you later
[12:29] <cyberhell86> heheh thanks
[01:58] <cbx33> hey ho
[01:58] <cbx33> how do I go about getting a channel registered
[04:12] <keltorsori> ogra, you around?
[04:38] <keltorsori> anyone else here had problems with ltsp-client-builder
[04:38] <keltorsori> ?
[05:20] <keltorsori> ogra
[05:20] <keltorsori> filed a bug for ltsp-client-builder
[07:39] <cbx33> booooooooo
[07:41] <cbx33> awwww
[07:46] <nixternal> haha
[07:46] <nixternal> HedgeMage: im a little slow, breakdown the current svn layout for the handbook?  I want to look over some of the stuff and maybe come up with some additions
[07:55] <HedgeMage> nixternal: Each chapter is its own docbook file.  filenames ending in .old are copied from the old cookbook and need to be updated and renamed to the same thing but without the .old at the end
[07:55] <nixternal> rock on!
[07:55] <HedgeMage> :)
[07:55] <HedgeMage> did I remember to set you up with an SVN account yet?  The last couple of weeks are a blur...
[07:56] <nixternal> now that i know that, i can rock and roll a little bit...working 3 documentation, no make the 4 documentation projects
[07:56] <nixternal> heh, i don't know if you did or not..didn't receive anything actually
[07:57] <HedgeMage> let me go check then
[07:58] <nixternal> no rush..im about to head to bed anyways, thanks though
[08:13] <HedgeMage> nixternal: see /msg
[08:14] <RichEd> hi HedgeMage nixternal 
[08:15] <nixternal> hiya RichEd!
[08:16] <RichEd> nixternal: did you see my message yesterday about the alleged hacker and my offer of possibly helping with a "supervised / mentored project" ?
[08:16] <nixternal> no i didn't
[08:17] <nixternal> i think Ubuntu Chicago helped him out a little bit, as it seems he will just get stuck with a suspension, and could possibly work it off his school background
[08:17] <RichEd> well give it some thought ... if you think it will help his situation ... either personally or with the authorities
[08:17] <HedgeMage> hi RichEd 
[08:19] <nixternal> RichEd: i will definitely pass on your info, as you were actually a person I was looking forward for a response...but HedgeMage also had a good idea and we presented it as well...his acts weren't all that bad, of course he did something stupid being curious..but now the school knows the difference between hacking and cracking
[08:20] <HedgeMage> RichEd: I basically made the point that because Chicago public schools purposely slow down bright kids and allow them to learn less, he has no outlet and should be redirected to something productive like a FLOSS project
[08:30] <HedgeMage> RichEd: read /msg when you have a chance ;)
[08:36] <HedgeMage> wb RichEd-1 
[08:36] <RichEd-1> :)
[08:38] <HedgeMage> RichEd: get my /msg before you lost your connection?
[08:38] <RichEd> nope just the 1st docbook message a few hours back
[08:39] <HedgeMage> ahh okay, you missed one then
[08:47] <nixternal> HedgeMage: svn worked...the reason the xml doesn't validate is due to the current structure...i will work up something to show you..i believe there is a meeting today..13:00 my time...so i will work on something to show tomorrow hopefully
[08:47] <RichEd> got it now :)
[08:47] <nixternal> g'nite everyone!
[08:47] <HedgeMage> nixternal: you totally rock
[08:47] <RichEd> bye nix
[08:47] <nixternal> no, Sammy Hagar totally rocks! ;)
[08:48] <HedgeMage> RichEd: get my resend in /msg ?
[09:51] <RichEd> hey bimberi :)
[10:15] <cbx33> ping RichEd 
[10:15] <RichEd> hi cbx33 
[12:54] <jsgotangco> howdy
[12:56] <RichEd> pardner
[12:57] <bimberi> hey RichEd (3 hours later) and jsgotangco
[12:57] <cbx33> heh
[12:57] <jsgotangco> hey RichEd, cbx33
[12:58] <RichEd> bimberi ... thought you were asleep :) is it already tomorrow where you are ?
[12:58] <cbx33> i have no...."letter after o key" :(
[12:59] <cbx33> hrases like hello eole look so stuid
[12:59] <jsgotangco> wha?
[12:59] <bimberi> RichEd: nope ... it was just the start of "happy hour" here dinner, bathing kids, putting to bed ... i'm sure you know what it's like
[01:00] <RichEd> oh cra cbx33 that must be retty athetic and ainful
[01:00] <cbx33> :(
[01:00] <RichEd> bimberi :) sure do
[01:00] <cbx33> sto taking to iss
[01:00] <cbx33> s/to/the heh
[01:01] <bimberi> :)
[01:02] <cbx33> I have 0 s"lao"are keyboards left
[01:05] <cbx33> hehe
[01:05] <cbx33> thanky
[01:10] <cbx33> pppp
[01:10] <cbx33> it's back w00t
[02:26] <jsgotangco> muahahahah it works
[02:26] <jsgotangco> RichEd: my ultimate edubuntu killer app for PH now works bwahahhaa
[02:26] <RichEd> well done :)
[02:27] <RichEd> does it make edubuntu a killer or is it a killer of edubuntu ?
[02:27] <jsgotangco> wahahaha
[02:27] <RichEd> send details :)
[02:27] <jsgotangco> well it does make our project useful
[02:28] <jsgotangco> yeah i'll just package it this week
[02:28] <jsgotangco> at least i have something working
[02:28] <jsgotangco> will send the doc this week promise
[02:30] <jsgotangco> if this proves to be successful at work, there goes my time for edubuntu/ubuntu :(
[02:30] <jonathan1> hey jsgotangco and RichEd 
[02:31] <jonathan1> jsgotangco: I love it when stuff works :)
[02:31] <jsgotangco> jonathan1: hey dude how's it going?
[02:31] <jsgotangco> jonathan1: well its basically a code mash up
[02:31] <RichEd> hello highjonathan :)
[02:31] <jonathan1> jsgotangco: going well thanks. everytime I just get the hang of workload it gets more though :)
[02:32] <jsgotangco> same here
[02:32] <jonathan1> jsgotangco: but it's going better by the week
[02:32] <RichEd> back in a bit
[02:32] <jsgotangco> im going to try and run python now in my phone
[02:32] <jsgotangco> muhahhaa
[02:32] <jonathan1> in situations like this you grow a lot, I'm very happy to be in the position I'm in. I look at shock at people who say that they are bored. I never have that luxury :)
[02:33] <jonathan1> wow
[02:33] <jsgotangco> jonathan1: its very possible ;)
[02:37] <jsgotangco> wahaha python 2.2.2
[02:39] <jsgotangco> AWESOME
[04:27] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:27] <RichEd> hi sbalneav 
[04:28] <juliux> hi RichEd 
[04:28] <sbalneav> Morning RichEd
[04:28] <RichEd> juliux :)
[04:28] <juliux> RichEd, we made pictures last weekend of the ubuntu/edubuntu booth in dresden;)
[04:29] <juliux> hi cbx33 
[04:29] <cbx33> hey
[04:30] <RichEd> Great juliux : I have a bare bones drupal site set up to play in - kindly by cbx33 : can you mail me the pics and short summary that I can use as a test news story ?
[04:30] <juliux> RichEd, sure
[04:30] <cbx33> :D
[04:31] <cbx33> RichEd: think that YouthLug radio (where we tend to talk only about ubuntu) would be something for the news page - seeing as it's done by kids?
[04:32] <RichEd> cbx33: of course - we need news for adults & kids from adults & kids
[04:42] <jsgotangco> talk only about ubuntu?
[04:42] <jsgotangco> *gasp*
[05:12] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:13] <juliux> hi bddebian 
[05:14] <cyberhell86> hey! do you know how i can make a dial-up connection with ubuntu.... but i mean I want to use my cellphone.... :S
[05:15] <bddebian> Hello juliux
[05:18] <jsgotangco> cyberhell86: that's pretty tricky
[05:19] <cyberhell86> but i have to try cuz that's the only way i can use internet :S i don't have adsl at home :S
[05:22] <cyberhell86> ok.. then can u tell me where i can get a software.. to play dvds, divx and mp3 on ubuntu?
[05:23] <ricanelite> Does anyone here know about Wine? or .jnlp files>
[05:34] <RichEd> cyberhell86: http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[05:35] <RichEd> cyberhell86: you can check about cell connections with willvdl when you see him around ... he uses 3G from his notebok.
[05:36] <RichEd> ricanelite: ask in #ubuntu ... that topic is not educaton specific and more people may be around to help
[05:36] <cyberhell86> ok! thanks
[06:17] <sbalneav> Hmmm, I've posted 2 or 3 emails to the edubuntu-devel list, and they never seem to get through.  Wonder what I'm doing wrong.
[06:24] <sbalneav> ogra: Hey, I've got a Pentium 4 here with hyperthreading.  In the past, I've always installed a smp kernel, which makes /proc/cpuinfo show two processors.  Now, linux-image-generic seems to be the only installable option.  How does one get an smp kernel?  Write to something in /sys?
[07:31] <Amaranth> sbalneav: generic is SMP but hyperthreading is disabled by default because it's a security problem
[07:31] <Amaranth> sbalneav: put ht=on in your grub kernel line and it'll work (i think that's what you put)
[07:58] <aladds> is it possible to set up an edubuntu login server which all clients log onto without netbooting?
[08:02] <sbalneav> Amaranth: Thx, but ht is a security problem?!
[08:02] <sbalneav> aladds: Umm, how do you mean?
[08:02] <Amaranth> sbalneav: Really only on servers (or other systems where multiple users are logged in at once)
[08:03] <Amaranth> as far as i know anyway
[08:03] <sbalneav> huh!
[08:03] <aladds> well, have each computer run locally, but also allow users to log into their profiles on the server from any computer
[08:03] <aladds> if that makes sense
[08:05] <sbalneav> aladds: Are you just looking to share files?  Or do you want the processes to actually RUN on the other server?
[08:05] <aladds> nah, run processes locally, to reduce server load, but people log into their account on the server from the client
[08:06] <aladds> does that make sense?
[08:07] <sbalneav> Probably the best bet would be to set up network authentication via LDAP, and simply share the /home dir out via nfs.
[08:07] <lucasvo> aladds: that's not the purpose of ltsp. but ldap/nfs or samba are tools allowing this
[08:07] <aladds> aaaaaaaaaah
[08:07] <aladds> ok
[08:07] <sbalneav> That way, anyone can log in on any box, and get their home dir.
[08:07] <aladds> ldap
[08:07] <aladds> yeah
[08:07] <aladds> i didnt know that
[08:07] <lucasvo> it's great
[08:07] <aladds> i know windows clients can do it via samba, but i dont want to use windows clients
[08:08] <lucasvo> aladds: there are some very good openldap tutorials out there
[08:08] <aladds> :)
[08:08] <aladds> thanks
[08:22] <nixternal> hrmm..
[08:30] <nixternal> HedgeMage: ok, directory structure on the svn could be an issue. are you ok with setting it up like this
[08:30] <nixternal> root directory
[08:30] <nixternal> build/ libs/ images/ handbook/
[08:30] <nixternal> build is an empty directory that would only be filled when HTML and PDF is built via a Makefile
[08:30] <nixternal> images is for images ;)
[08:31] <nixternal> libs/ would hold the entity files, xsl templates, and css files
[08:31] <HedgeMage> nixternal: Yes, go for it.  What we had is made from what was auto-generated from the wiki when we were working there.
[08:31] <nixternal> handbook/ would be all of hte handbook XML files
[08:31] <HedgeMage> nixternal: I bow to your expertise in the matter :)
[08:31] <nixternal> ok..i will hack the structure, setup a Makefile, and then work on a validation script
[08:31] <HedgeMage> you totally rock
[08:31] <nixternal> woohoo!
[08:31] <nixternal> ;)
[08:31] <HedgeMage> You have no idea how much you have lowered my stress level this week.
[08:32] <HedgeMage> Seriously, this has been looming over me for weeks, and I just didn't have time to site down and learn docbook well enough to fix this awful tangle.
[08:33] <nixternal> hehe, no problem...the validation will come with time, but at least their will be a workable structure
[08:50] <HedgeMage> :)
[08:50] <HedgeMage> hi highvoltage 
[08:50] <highvoltage> Hi HedgeMage
[08:51] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: do you live somewhere in the desert now?
[08:52] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: Nope, I'm in Washington State... how come?
[08:53] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: I don't know, for some reason I had the idea that you moved to some desert, but I couldn't figure out where I got that idea from, so I thought I'd check :)
[08:53] <HedgeMage> hehe
[08:53] <HedgeMage> No desert here :)
[08:55] <highvoltage> :)
[08:55] <cyberhell86> does somebody has a diulp conexion? 
[08:55] <cyberhell86> *dial up
[08:56] <HedgeMage> cyberhell86: not I, but I've worked with linux and dialup before, so if you need help, let me know :)
[08:58] <cyberhell86> thanks.. this is my problem... I dont have adsl..so i need to use my cellphone to get online.. 
[08:59] <aladds> eek
[08:59] <HedgeMage> How does the cellphone interface with the computer?
[08:59] <cyberhell86> so.. i'm trying to creat a dial up.. but i don't know how to do it.. cuz it doesn't even recognize the cellphone modem :S
[09:00] <cyberhell86> i'm sure it recognize it... because.. the cellphone starts charging.. so that mean that there link is ok.. because.. when i plug it on a pc without the drivers... it doesn't even charge
[09:01] <HedgeMage> cyberhell86: does it connect by USB?  Serial port? ethernet? give me a clue here...
[09:01] <cyberhell86> usb
[09:01] <highvoltage> cyberhell86: which phone
[09:02] <cyberhell86> motorola v360 it's a gprs one
[09:02] <highvoltage> cyberhell86: you should be able to do a 'sudo wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf'
[09:02] <highvoltage> then edit /etc/wvdial.conf with the phone numbers, etc.
[09:02] <highvoltage> I've used a V360 many times to connect to the Internet in linux
[09:02] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: :)
[09:03] <HedgeMage> cool :)
[09:03] <cyberhell86> really!!! :D pls pls explain me.. i'm gonna try the 'sudo  wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf' now.. to se if it works
[09:03] <highvoltage> cyberhell86: when you edit wvdial.conf, the phone number should usually be *99#, and the password and username must be equal to ''
[09:03] <highvoltage> cyberhell86: ok
[09:03] <cyberhell86> but uhmm.. can i edit it if i'm running the ubuntu with the livecd? :S
[09:03] <highvoltage> cyberhell86: what's really cool is, the V360 supports EDGE, so if your network supports EDGE, it's about 4 times the speed than usual GPRS :)
[09:04] <highvoltage> cyberhell86: yes, you can edit it
[09:04] <highvoltage> cyberhell86: but your changes will be lost when you reboot
[09:04] <cyberhell86> really.... my network supports edge..  :D i hope it gets faster...
[09:05] <cyberhell86> ok.. i just wanna be sure.. to be able to make the dial up connection... then i will completely move from windows to ubuntu
[09:05] <cyberhell86> my other question is the audio problem :S
[09:07] <HedgeMage> cyberhell86: what problem are you having?
[09:07] <HedgeMage> no audio at all?
[09:07] <HedgeMage> (And if soo, what sound card/chipset is involved?)
[09:09] <cyberhell86> uhmm.. good question... i got a gateway laptop :S 7330 gz :S
[09:09] <cyberhell86> let me see fot eh audio chip.. give me a sec
[09:12] <cyberhell86> i'm tryin to make the 'sudo wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf' but i get  command not found :S
[09:13] <cyberhell86> :(
[09:16] <highvoltage> cyberhell86: I think wvdial might not be on the live cd :/
[09:17] <cyberhell86> shit! :S
[09:18] <cyberhell86> ok.. then i'll try to fix it later... then can u tell me how to fix the sound problem.. cuz i don't have any audio at all :s
[09:21] <cyberhell86> do u think i can instal ubuntun on a 3gb partition/
[09:21] <cyberhell86> ?
[09:25] <highvoltage> cyberhell86: yep, 3GB is enough
[09:25] <HedgeMage> cyberhell86: that is plenty of space
[09:25] <highvoltage> you won't have much space for data, but it's certainly enough space to play around in.
[09:25] <cyberhell86> ok.. i'm gonna try.....
[09:25] <HedgeMage> cyberhell86: as long as you don't have tons of photos or other data
[09:25] <HedgeMage> yay :)
[09:26] <cyberhell86> i'll us an external hd for data :D does linux reads fat32?
[09:26] <HedgeMage> cyberhell86: it can.
[09:27] <cyberhell86> uff :D ok.... after installing it.. I just need to make the sudo 'wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf'? right?
[09:29] <LaserJock> hmm, are we still on for an edubuntu meeting today?
[09:30] <nixternal> hiya LaserJock
[09:30] <LaserJock> hi nixternal 
[09:31] <nixternal> i just started setting up the Handbook svn...just committed a huge chunk, with the same dir structure we are used to with docs currently
[09:32] <LaserJock> nixternal: you're doing it in the Doc Team repo?
[09:32] <nixternal> ? fonts <- i cannot get this bugger to add
[09:32] <nixternal> no LaserJock, they have their own repo
[09:33] <nixternal> i don't know the entire situation with the ubuntu svn repo and the edubuntu handbook repo..they were kept seperate either for a reason, or it never got added to our repos
[09:33] <HedgeMage> We were supposed to start committing stuff from our repo to theirs so eventually more docteam members would have docteam repo commit access...
[09:34] <HedgeMage> ...but I put off doing that since our docbook was so totally borked it is emarrassing.
[09:34] <highvoltage> cyberhell86: once you've finished with the wvdialconf, you'll be able to dial up using the 'wvdial' command
[09:34] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yes, edubuntu meeting is on agaik
[09:35] <highvoltage> RichEd won't be able to make it, he has sent apologies.
[09:35] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:35] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if I'll be there for all of it
[09:35] <LaserJock> my boss and I are making a little video of the lab today
[09:35] <LaserJock> as we are having a Chemistry Open House
[09:35] <highvoltage> I think it's basically going to be ogra giving a tech update. I don't think it's going to be a long or even complicated meeting.
[09:36] <pygi> hello everyone
[09:36] <cyberhell86> how do i use it? :$ sorry i'm just a beginner :(
[09:36] <highvoltage> hello mr pygi 
[09:36] <HedgeMage> hi pygi :)
[09:36] <LaserJock> we should start a list of "Specs we want to see" soon
[09:36] <pygi> ergh, /me doesn't like the sound of spec anymore :(
[09:36] <HedgeMage> cyberhell86: does it connect by USB?
[09:36] <highvoltage> cyberhell86: no problem. once you've edited wvdial.conf all you need to type is wvdial to dial up. when you're done with the connection, you press ctrl+c and it will hang up again
[09:37] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: don't worry about borked docbook, nobody will mind too much ;-)
[09:37] <HedgeMage> oh sorry thought you meant the hd
[09:37] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: nixternal is unborking it for us :)
[09:37] <cyberhell86> yes it's an usb one... :D ok thanks
[09:37] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: most of the new Motorola phones have a standard USB port, that you use to charge the phone, use as a mass storage device, Internet, and for headsets / external speakers :)
[09:37] <highvoltage> it's quite cool.
[09:41] <nixternal> sorry
[09:42] <nixternal> i was responding to my angry blog readers ;)
[09:42] <nixternal> haha
[09:42] <HedgeMage> highvhehe
[09:42] <HedgeMage> grrr
[09:42] <HedgeMage> sorry, TT is "helping" me type :)
[09:43] <nixternal> jeesh...everything is going on right now
[09:43] <nixternal> hahaha..GO TT!!!!
[09:44] <nixternal> LaserJock: what is your view on the current Handbook and svn thing?  If we move it to Ubuntu docs, you and I are the only ones with current access to the svn server
[09:45] <nixternal> however, if we keep it where it is currently, then we need to follow the ubuntu doc repo structure, just in case it moves
[09:45] <nixternal> im making myself all kinds of work ;)
[09:48] <HedgeMage> hehe
[09:48] <HedgeMage> nixternal: the hope is to eventually get it into the main doc repo
[09:48] <HedgeMage> nixternal: the current repo is a stopgap measure
[09:48] <nixternal> ok..then i need to do some structure tweaking..not much though
[09:49] <LaserJock> nixternal: I think we need to get it into the doc team repo
[09:49] <sbalneav> There a meeting going on in #ubuntu-meeting?
[09:49] <nixternal> 10 minutes i believe sbalneav
[09:49] <LaserJock> at least so HedgeMage and pygi can become doc team members :-)
[09:49] <sbalneav> Coolio
[09:49] <nixternal> im not even a doc team member
[09:49] <nixternal> nobody wants me
[09:50] <pygi> sbalneav, ping? :)
[09:50] <LaserJock> nixternal: whatever, talk with mdke about that
[09:50] <nixternal> lol
[09:50] <sbalneav> pygi: pong
[09:50] <sbalneav> Saw your mail.
[09:50] <pygi> sbalneav, you got my mail?
[09:50] <pygi> oki :'(
[09:50] <sbalneav> Any change in the situation?
[09:51] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: I'm already a doc team member, I just don't have SVN access.
[09:52] <pygi> sbalneav, no, not really :(
[09:52] <pygi> HedgeMage, you are just edubuntu doc member, same as me :)
[09:53] <willvdl> evening all
[09:53] <HedgeMage> pygi: really? then I've lost my mind.
[09:53] <pygi> hey willvdl 
[09:53] <HedgeMage> (not surprising, really)
[09:54] <pygi> sbalneav, I'm very very very very sad :(
[09:55] <nixternal> edubuntu teams have the cool icons in launchpad i have noticed
[09:55] <LaserJock> darn, no lunch for me
[09:55] <sbalneav> pygi: No worries, we can chit chat during the thing via irc. :)
[09:55] <HedgeMage> pygi, LaserJock: Ahh, I found it... I'm a member of Ubuntu WikiTeam, which is a member of Docteam... not really the same thing
[09:55] <HedgeMage> lol nixternal 
[09:56] <highvoltage> evenin' willvdl 
[09:56] <willvdl> hey!
[09:56] <nixternal> argh, i have to much computer stuff here...2 keyboards and 2 mice, i tend to get lost
[09:56] <willvdl> if you were an octopus god, you could probably pull it off
[09:57] <grahamldlw> hey everyone
[09:57] <grahamldlw> i fixed my problem about not being able to install linux! i accidentally deleted windows and now it works :D
[09:57] <pygi> sbalneav, perhaps, but I feel very bad
[09:57] <pygi> especially 'cause ogra will eat me :(
[09:58] <rodarvus> there was no advance saying on #edubuntu this time, but we have an Edubuntu meeting in two minutes :)
[09:58] <highvoltage> hey grahamldlw 
[09:59] <rodarvus> ogra, RichEd: are you online?] 
[09:59] <grahamldlw> hi!
[09:59] <cbx33> hey
[09:59] <ogra> rodarvus, sure
[09:59] <willvdl> woot
[09:59] <rodarvus> hooray!
[09:59] <grahamldlw> oh pete i fixed my ubuntu problem :D
[09:59] <cbx33> nice ;)
[09:59] <cbx33> meeting tonight ?
[09:59] <grahamldlw> i accidentally deleted windows and now it works :D
[09:59] <sbalneav> Hey ogra!
[09:59] <cbx33> grahamldlw: hahah !
[09:59] <rodarvus> dang, phone call. I'll be right back
[09:59] <cbx33> for the better...you'd better have made that backup
[10:00] <grahamldlw> formatted completly and i forget to back up :(
[10:00] <pygi> cbx33, please  auth yourself, thanks :)
[10:00] <highvoltage> hey cbx33 
[10:00] <grahamldlw> 7 yrs of work gone :(
[10:00] <cbx33> pygi: done
[10:00] <cbx33> hi highvoltage 
[10:00] <grahamldlw> it had an UNDO button!!! it lied!
[10:00] <highvoltage> grahamldlw: one word: backups :)
[10:00] <cbx33> grahamldlw: well....Idid TELL you to make a backup
[10:00] <grahamldlw> i know and i was thinking about it, but it was too much effort to get from ubuntu to windows and back
[10:01] <grahamldlw> least i dont have to make that journey now :D
[10:01] <ogra> sooo
[10:01] <grahamldlw> ever..
[10:01] <cbx33> well.....I guess it made that choice for you
[10:01] <ogra> lets start i'd say 
[10:01] <highvoltage> hey ogra 
[10:01] <cbx33> ogra: sounds good
[10:01] <highvoltage> yay!
[10:01] <nixternal> who is buying lunch?
[10:01] <nixternal> i forgot to eat
[10:01] <grahamldlw> i need windows tho, im hoping my restore section thats there will let me do it, but i cant get to it
[10:01] <cbx33> grahamldlw: if you're interested.....join #ubuntu-meeting....
[10:01] <HedgeMage> nixternal: /msg?
[10:01] <cbx33> we're having our weekly meeting
[10:01] <LaserJock> RichEd: is not going to make it, dinner with in-laws
[10:01] <ogra> ah, k
[10:01] <cbx33> argh...I needed to speak to him too
[10:01] <nixternal> can you /msg me a cheeseburger HedgeMage ;)
[10:01] <cbx33> hey LaserJock 
[10:02] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[10:02] <pygi> hello ogra :'(
[10:02] <HedgeMage> nixternal: Food Transfer Protocol?
[10:02] <LaserJock> hehe
[10:02] <nixternal> ooh i like that
[10:02] <cbx33> FFTP
[10:02] <cbx33> Fast Food Transfer Protocol
[10:02] <nixternal> i need to blog that before Mako gets a hold of it ;)
[10:02] <cbx33> 5Cb/s
[10:02] <cbx33> 5 Cheese Burgers per second
[10:02] <ogra> well, not much from the tech side today, i fixed up syslogging, so the thin clients log to the servers logfiles, and extra for highvoltage ....
[10:02] <HedgeMage> rofl
[10:02] <ogra> i added the IP to ldm's bottom bar ;)
[10:03] <cbx33> ogra: here....? - or in #ubuntumeeting :p
[10:03] <pips1> hey ogra, you are talking in the wrong channel :)
[10:03] <ogra> yay
[10:03] <highvoltage> ogra: ooh :)
[10:03] <grahamldlw> cbx33: i still have my recovery portion of the partition on it, if i can system restore or get to that recovery part, can that undo a formatting?
[10:03] <ogra> fun, sorry
[10:03] <highvoltage> hehe
[10:03] <rodarvus> back
[10:03] <cbx33> grahamldlw: yes, but you won;t get your data back !
[10:04] <gnomefreak> ogra: did you ever get around to uploading the screensaver fix on webcollage and the other one (cant think of other one that was reported)
[10:04] <grahamldlw> damn! i had irreplacable information and pictures on there!, oook just as well i got my back up system sorted on this one now tho, i still need to get windows back on here somehow tho
[10:05] <cbx33> grahamldlw: well.....it is easier to install windows first then ubuntu
[10:06] <grahamldlw> i gathered that but i changed the whole of the partitions system file type from ntfs to fat32
[10:06] <cbx33> you can't convert back
[10:06] <grahamldlw> cuz it wudent let me resize ntsf
[10:07] <cbx33> oh
[10:07] <cbx33> hmmm....
[10:07] <cbx33> I thought it did convert ntfs ok?
[10:07] <grahamldlw> thats why it came up with that error again and again
[10:07] <cbx33> i mean resize
[10:07] <grahamldlw> no it dosent let u resize
[10:07] <grahamldlw> only shrink or grow
[10:07] <grahamldlw> but it says it wont let u resize or move
[10:08] <cbx33> ah....well you can resize and ntfs partition
[10:08] <grahamldlw> theres a lil box u can get up which tells u which one can
[10:08] <cbx33> using a utility called ntfsresize
[10:08] <grahamldlw> bit late....
[10:08] <grahamldlw> u wernt on so i did it anyway
[10:08] <cbx33> but that doesn't come by default cos it is a _little_ risky
[10:08] <grahamldlw> i told u i needed supervision
[10:08] <grahamldlw> this is the second time i broke my pc
[10:09] <cbx33> heheh
[10:09] <grahamldlw> at least i got 33.5gb of space for ubuntu atm lol
[10:09] <cbx33> nice
[10:09] <grahamldlw> im gonna have to get windows back on it soon, any programs and stuff u think i shud get or anythin u think i shud do?
[10:09] <grahamldlw> considering this is a fresh ubuntu! barely even able to withstand on it's own yet
[10:10] <grahamldlw> dunno where the with came from but still...
[10:13] <cbx33> grahamldlw: well.....as I said....you can install windows as the second OS
[10:13] <cbx33> have you left any space for it?
[10:15] <grahamldlw> yeh i only took about 10 gb for ubuntu the rest is unassosiacted or however it's spelt
[10:15] <cbx33> nice
[10:15] <grahamldlw> but still, what kinda programs and where wud i get them from for ubuntu, and it's also not letting me write stuff in on the terminal asks for a password
[10:15] <cbx33> ?free? :p
[10:15] <grahamldlw> but i cant type it in
[10:17] <cbx33> you shouldbe able to type on a terminal
[10:17] <cbx33> without having to put apassword in
[10:18] <grahamldlw> where do i put the password in?
[10:18] <grahamldlw> no
[10:18] <grahamldlw> i did that
[10:18] <grahamldlw> and it asked for a password
[10:18] <grahamldlw> grahamldlw@grahamldlw-desktop:~$ sudo apt-cache search flash
[10:18] <grahamldlw> Password:
[10:19] <cbx33> ahh
[10:19] <cbx33> when it says password type your password in
[10:19] <cbx33> it is because you have put sudo in front
[10:19] <grahamldlw> which means?
[10:19] <cbx33> for apt-cache you do not need to use sudo
[10:19] <grahamldlw> i thought i had to?
[10:19] <grahamldlw> ohhh
[10:19] <cbx33> that can be run as normal user
[10:19] <cbx33> do man sudo and read actually what it does
[10:20] <grahamldlw> isnt it for superuser or somethin tho?
[10:20] <cbx33> yes
[10:20] <grahamldlw> what am i? im the only user!
[10:20] <cbx33> so if you need to run a command as superuser....like install apps using apt-get...you need sudo infront
[10:20] <cbx33> no there is always a superuser on the system
[10:20] <cbx33> you never login as it directly 
[10:20] <cbx33> (well you can but i's not the way ubuntu works)
[10:21] <cbx33> so you use sudo to ask permission to run the following command as root (superuser)
[10:21] <grahamldlw> oh and doing it without sudo dosent do anything, it just starts a new blank line
[10:21] <cbx33> well if you try to run a command that needs superuser access withoutit......it will complain
[10:22] <cbx33> do...apt-get install nmap
[10:22] <cbx33> and see it will complain
[10:22] <cbx33> then do sudo apt-get install nmap
[10:22] <cbx33> and it will work
[10:22] <grahamldlw> it asks if im root
[10:22] <cbx33> indeed...
[10:22] <grahamldlw> but if u do that cache thing without sudo infront it dosent acctually do anything
[10:22] <cbx33> so you were trying to run it as a normal user
[10:22] <cbx33> it should do...
[10:22] <grahamldlw> it just skips a line and dosent write anything
[10:22] <cbx33> if it comes up with nothing
[10:22] <cbx33> it means it found nothing
[10:23] <cbx33> you want the flash plugins for firefox?
[10:23] <grahamldlw> it is apt-cache search etc?
[10:23] <grahamldlw> yeh, and the linux messenger for msn
[10:23] <cbx33> well...you already have that ...GAIM is the msn messenger
[10:23] <cbx33> it's in your menu already
[10:24] <grahamldlw> no not gaim, a different one
[10:24] <cbx33> to get flash...just goto a site which has flash...like www.adobe.com...I think...and it will ask you to click to install...that works fine ;)
[10:24] <cbx33> grahamldlw: AMSN?
[10:24] <grahamldlw> http://amsn.sourceforge.net/
[10:24] <grahamldlw> yeh
[10:25] <cbx33> sudo apt-get install amsn
[10:25] <cbx33> if it fails I'll help you out...I'll know what's wrong
[10:25] <grahamldlw> grahamldlw@grahamldlw-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install amsn
[10:25] <grahamldlw> Password:
[10:25] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: your user password
[10:25] <grahamldlw> dosent let me type anything it
[10:26] <grahamldlw> in*
[10:26] <grahamldlw> Password:
[10:26] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: it does
[10:26] <grahamldlw> Sorry, try again.
[10:26] <lucasvo> but you don't see it
[10:26] <grahamldlw> i can type but nothing comes up on the screen
[10:26] <lucasvo> just type it and press enter
[10:26] <lucasvo> yes
[10:26] <grahamldlw> i can type fine before that line comes up
[10:26] <lucasvo> that's ok
[10:26] <lucasvo> it is normal that you don't see anything
[10:26] <grahamldlw> it did it
[10:26] <lucasvo> (security risk)
[10:27] <cbx33> yeh...it doesn't echo your password to the screen
[10:27] <grahamldlw> but didnt acctually find what it was looking for anyway
[10:27] <grahamldlw> ok
[10:27] <cbx33> we should put something prominant about that somewhere
[10:27] <grahamldlw> do i have to type it in everytime?
[10:27] <cbx33> the numebr of times that question gets asked
[10:27] <cbx33> not every time
[10:27] <cbx33> it stores it for a while
[10:27] <grahamldlw> 15minutes?
[10:28] <cbx33> not sure
[10:28] <cbx33> but it forgets it agaoin.....security feature
[10:29] <grahamldlw> it cant find msn on that cache thing at all
[10:29] <cbx33> ie if you left your machine...and someone else typed sudo....ARGH...they have admin access
[10:29] <cbx33> grahamldlw: ok
[10:29] <cbx33> I can tell you why
[10:29] <cbx33> you don;t have the universe repos setup
[10:29] <cbx33> basically....
[10:29] <grahamldlw> which is?
[10:29] <cbx33> the software you download is stored int these repos
[10:29] <grahamldlw> so how do i set them?
[10:30] <cbx33> ok...goto
[10:30] <grahamldlw> noooo
[10:30] <cbx33> Settings
[10:30] <grahamldlw> ok
[10:30] <cbx33> no...
[10:30] <grahamldlw> this is alot harder then i anticipated
[10:30] <cbx33> what's the third menu atthe top
[10:30] <grahamldlw> system?
[10:31] <grahamldlw> then it has preferences, admin etc in system
[10:31] <cbx33> ok...in one of those...is software sources
[10:32] <grahamldlw> software properties?
[10:33] <LaserJock> yep
[10:33] <grahamldlw> then what do i change?
[10:34] <grahamldlw> theres alot of community maintained ones unclicked
[10:34] <cbx33> click then universe one
[10:34] <cbx33> then ok and try again
[10:34] <grahamldlw> for which one theres about 3 different universe ones
[10:35] <cbx33> there is multiverse
[10:35] <cbx33> and universe
[10:35] <cbx33> tick em all :p
[10:35] <cbx33> hehe
[10:36] <grahamldlw> it's just quickly upgrading current information about them
[10:36] <cbx33> yes it will do
[10:36] <grahamldlw> finished
[10:37] <grahamldlw> now i clicked all them will that list of programs on the add/remove be bigger?
[10:38] <grahamldlw> and it's currently installing amsn btw
[10:38] <nixternal> LaserJock: im talking with mdke about the handbook and doc repos and you are no where around ;)
[10:38] <cbx33> nice
[10:38] <cbx33> good job grahamldlw 
[10:39] <grahamldlw> yay! is that list gonna be bigger for programs on add/remove now?
[10:39] <cbx33> yes
[10:44] <grahamldlw> bk!
[10:44] <grahamldlw> miss anything? oh i thought i sensed talk about me
[10:44] <cbx33> hehe
[10:45] <grahamldlw> haha this msn plays a guitar chord wen someons logs in and i have like 500 contacts so it sounds like a wierd attempt at a song lol
[10:45] <grahamldlw> i dont get how the file structure of this works tho
[10:45] <grahamldlw> where to save things and stuff
[10:46] <cbx33> grahamldlw: ok - I can tell you about that...
[10:46] <cbx33> but not right now eh :p - in meeting and very tired
[10:47] <grahamldlw> yeh another time, altho i think im gonna have an awful lot of time to learn how to use this considering i dont have any alternative atm
[10:47] <cbx33> grahamldlw: as I said today.....that' sthe best way
[10:47] <grahamldlw> forced into using ubuntu, there was me thinkin i was gonna be eased in, but no complete force!
[10:48] <cbx33> indeed
[10:48] <cbx33> best wayt :p
[10:48] <grahamldlw> and i have a penguin as my display picture
[10:48] <grahamldlw> lol...
[10:48] <cbx33> hehehe
[10:50] <cbx33> I'm off for awhile
[10:50] <cbx33> see ya later grahamldlw 
[11:08] <sbalneav> Watch as I seamlessly transition from #ubuntu-meeting to #edubuntu in a stunning display of tabbed-chatting prowess.
[11:08] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:15] <nixternal> alrighty, after some conversation with LaserJock and mdke, we can move the handbook over to the Ubuntu Documentation repo
[11:15] <nixternal> one downfall to this is...
[11:15] <nixternal> are you ready?
[11:15] <nixternal> current users will have to submit patches until you can get svn access to it
[11:16] <nixternal> so..with that said, feelings?  ideas?  comments?  questions which I may or may not be able to answer?  complaints? ;)
[11:16] <pips1> highvoltage: ping
[11:16] <ogra> pips1, i think he went to bed
[11:16] <pips1> oh
[11:16] <pips1> so EC is considering edubuntu member applications next week?
[11:17] <pips1> I wonder if I should apply...
[11:17] <ogra> sure you should :)
[11:17] <pips1> but who will vote for me?!
[11:17] <nixternal> i would ;)
[11:17] <nixternal> but i can't
[11:17] <pips1> heh
[11:17] <ogra> make a wikipage that talks about you and lists your contributiuons and apply for the edubuntu-members team
[11:18] <ogra> pips1, i think there are some people :
[11:18] <ogra> )
[11:18] <nixternal> im an ubuntu and kubuntu member seeking edubuntu love ;)
[11:18] <ogra> nixternal, and ? 
[11:18] <pips1> well, my wiki page is a big of a disorganised shambles
[11:18] <pips1> *bit
[11:18] <ogra> nixternal, why should we deny membership ?
[11:18] <ogra> pips1, get it in order then, you have one week ;)
[11:18] <nixternal> i was pokin' some fun
[11:19] <ogra> and dont forget to put yourself on the agenda
[11:19] <pips1> ogra: hehe
[11:20] <nixternal> ogra: i think once i do some work around here, i will join your gang ;)
[11:21] <ogra> nixternal, cool 
[11:22] <pips1> heh, ogra, you are editing the agenda page... 
[11:22] <pips1> I got a conflict warning
[11:22] <ogra> just saving
[11:22] <ogra> feel free to edit :)
[11:22] <pips1> r u done now
[11:22] <pips1> ok
[11:25] <sbalneav> Okay boys'n'girls!
[11:25] <sbalneav> I'm heading home for the day!
[11:25] <sbalneav> I'll be on later tonight, see you all then.
[11:25] <pips1> ogra: at what time do you recon will the next daily build be done? within the hour? or later?
[11:26] <ogra> its always around 0:00 UTC
[11:26] <cbx33> ogra, do you want that gdm splash tonight?
[11:26] <ogra> depending on the load it can take longer (up to 1:00 am)
[11:26] <ogra> cbx33, the gnome splash ? tomorrow morning would be nice
[11:27] <cbx33> lisa will do it now then ;)
[11:27] <ogra> freeze should take place at 15:00 UTC
[11:27] <ogra> and i need to solve the progressbasr stuff before
[11:27] <cbx33> right ok
[11:27] <cbx33> are there anyt other changes
[11:27] <cbx33> and what image do yo uwant me to grab to install?
[11:27] <ogra> not from my side yet
[11:27] <ogra> the lastest install CD indeed
[11:27] <cbx33> how likely/difficult are changes after freeze tomorrow?
[11:27] <cbx33> ogra, ok np
[11:28] <ogra> testing live is also fine, but my highest prio is i386 install
[11:28] <cbx33> ok
[11:28] <cbx33> I'm getting it now
[11:28] <ogra> if that one's ok i usually move on via amd64 to ppc ...
[11:28] <cbx33> there is only an 11 build for edubuntu
[11:28] <cbx33> is that ok?
[11:28] <cbx33> not 11.1
[11:28] <ogra> yep
[11:30] <pips1> cbx33: as far as I understood, the build that will be available from around 0:00 - 1:00 UTC will be best for our testing efforts...
[11:30] <cbx33> ah....hmmm ok
[11:30] <pips1> I mean *after* around 0:00 - 1:00 UTC
[11:31] <LaserJock> grrr, by computer hates me
[11:31] <LaserJock> *my
[11:32] <cbx33> aww....we love you LaserJock 
[11:32] <pips1> ogra, question: using rysnc and then burning an iso from that and test is ok, no? or should I actually download the "ready-made" iso image that is available from the web page?
[11:32] <LaserJock> for some reason my internet connection drops
[11:32] <cbx33> are the nvidia drivers broken in i386?
[11:32] <ogra> pips1, rsync is fine and saves bandwith
[11:32] <LaserJock> but when I reboot it's all good
[11:32] <pips1> ok
[11:35] <pips1> cu
[11:35] <cbx33> nn ogra 
[11:35] <cbx33> great work my man :p
[11:36] <pips1> cbx33: highvoltage said he will change that png with transparency, right?
[11:37] <pips1> did we come to a conclusion about it?
[11:38] <cbx33> ok sure
[11:41] <grahamldlw> hey u there?
[11:41] <grahamldlw> i got aload of .tar.gz files and a .run file and dunno what to do wiv em
[11:42] <cbx33> hey grahamldlw 
[11:42] <cbx33> where did you get them and what are you trying to do (tbh if this is non-edubuntu specific you should join #ubuntu)
[11:43] <grahamldlw> there joined it, but theres 900 somethin users lol
[11:43] <cbx33> yeh
[11:43] <cbx33> I'll be there
[11:44] <grahamldlw> y does ur name appear in yellow every now and then?
[11:45] <cbx33> cos I'm saying your name
[11:45] <cbx33> it's highlighting it for you
[11:45] <pips1> :)
[11:46] <pips1> I just started rsyncing... I wonder what I rsyncs to, when the iso image changes half way through the process?!
[11:47] <cbx33> pips1, heheh
[11:47] <cbx33> my VM is all ready for tomorrows install ;)
[11:47] <cbx33> this sux
[11:47] <cbx33> as I have to goto work...so I'll have limited time to test the latest iso
[11:47] <cbx33> I'm gonna test current
[11:47] <pips1> right
[11:48] <cbx33> hope that's gonna be ok
[11:48] <pips1> gladly, I can devote some time to testing tomorrow...
[11:49] <pips1> last testing round we also had jsgotanco to help.. he is surely missed :)
[11:49] <cbx33> and me
[11:49] <cbx33> I tested a lot too :0
[11:49] <pips1> I remember :)
[11:50] <pips1> you have been a busy bee ever since!
[11:50] <cbx33> indeed I have ;)
[11:50] <pips1> I'm amazed by all the effort you (and others) can put in...
[11:51] <cbx33> well.....that's what happens when you have no real social life...and you're wife is a freelance webdesigner who generally works evenings
[11:51] <pips1> I haven't been able to do nealy as much... but I try to be there at least at the right time :)
[11:51] <pips1> *nearly
[11:54] <cbx33> pips1, you do amazing
[11:54] <cbx33> I'm looking forward to how this webstuff is all gonna take off
[11:54] <cbx33> lisa is pretty excited too
[11:55] <pips1> unfortunately, my wife has a 8-5 job (well, 8-8, sometimes), so she goes to sleep early.. and get's up much earlier than me :-/
[11:56] <pips1> I'm looking forward to build a great community site too :)
[11:58] <cbx33> yeh its gonna be excellent
[11:58] <grahamldlw> see even other ppl are gettin frustrated with this problem of mine lol
[11:59] <cbx33> yup
[12:00] <pips1> ?
[12:01] <cbx33> heheh
[12:01] <cbx33> pips1, he's in #ubuntu
[12:01] <lucasvo> hi pips1 
[12:01] <pips1> hey lucasvo
[12:01] <pips1> cbx33: ah, ic
[12:01] <lucasvo> btw, currently someone working on the webpage?
[12:02] <cbx33> I didn't see the end of the meeting
[12:02] <pips1> nope
[12:02] <lucasvo> change the link: Shipit: Order CDs -> Shipit: Order FREE Cds
[12:02] <pips1> lucasvo: ah
[12:02] <pips1> right, hmm. good suggestion
[12:03] <pips1> lucasvo: you have an account in drupal!
[12:04] <lucasvo> lucasvo: yes...
[12:04] <lucasvo> but I don't remember my pw
[12:04] <pips1> hehe
[12:04] <pips1> It happens to the best of us ;-)
[12:04] <lucasvo> I need a place to store pws outside of my brain
[12:05] <pips1> I really need to get myself a password safe, i.e. a palm or smth
[12:05] <pips1> yeah
[12:05] <cbx33> heh
[12:05] <cbx33> or a newton :p
[12:05] <lucasvo> my blackberry has this sort of thing but... I don't regulary backup my BB. So if I loose it, I'd be screwed
[12:06] <cbx33> blimey this VM is fast
[12:06] <pips1> does the memory of the blackberry get wiped when the battery dies?
[12:06] <cbx33> I'm half way through LTSP install already
[12:07] <pips1> wow
[12:07] <pips1> lucasvo: ?
[12:07] <lucasvo> pips1: what?
[12:07] <lucasvo> pips1: no
[12:07] <lucasvo> pips1: but i already lost one
[12:08] <pips1> what?!
[12:08] <lucasvo> and if someone enters the pw 10times wrong, it deletes itself
[12:08] <pips1> you told me you lost a mobile already
[12:08] <lucasvo> yes, the blackberry
[12:08] <pips1> I take it you are someone who looses pocket devices all the time, then, eh ;-)
[12:08] <lucasvo> and I bought a new one
[12:09] <lucasvo> pips1: no...
[12:09] <pips1> hehe
[12:09] <lucasvo> pips1: I lost one blackberry in my life
[12:09] <lucasvo> it's hte only pocketdevice I lost
[12:09] <lucasvo> but the problem is, I can't sync my bb with linux so I don't do backups
[12:09] <pips1> right
[12:10] <lucasvo> pips1: btw, any news on envol?
[12:10] <lucasvo> (the french app)
[12:10] <pips1> yeah, for me, the syncing-to-linux is also high on the wishlist for a pda device...
[12:11] <pips1> I met the producer at the education conference
[12:11] <lucasvo> pips1: get yourself one which runs linux
[12:11] <lucasvo> :)
[12:11] <pips1> producer "auftraggeber"
[12:11] <lucasvo> pips1: and what did he say?
[12:12] <pips1> he only said that at the time, doing a cross platform applicatoin meant doing win and mac...
[12:12] <lucasvo> :)
[12:12] <lucasvo> well, I think it shouldn't be that hard to port it to linux
[12:12] <lucasvo> maybe a team of developers could get access to it under NDA
[12:12] <lucasvo> and port it 
[12:12] <pips1> he says that most newer edu cd-rom apps are done in flash, rather than director
[12:13] <pips1> which is slightly better
[12:13] <lucasvo> yes
[12:14] <pips1> still, I can use most recent flash movies (later than flash7), which sucks
[12:14] <pips1> *can't
[12:14] <lucasvo> pips1: why?
[12:14] <lucasvo> with the proprietary flash plugin?
[12:15] <pips1> File name: libflashplayer.so
[12:15] <pips1> Shockwave Flash 7.0 r63
[12:15] <pips1> hmm
[12:15] <pips1> I installed that via synaptic, I think
[12:16] <pips1> is that the proprietary one, or the open source lib?
[12:16] <grahamldlw> wheres cbx33 gone? he still about?
[12:16] <cbx33> yeh I'm here
[12:16] <cbx33> a little busy
[12:18] <cbx33> going now
[12:18] <cbx33> tired ;)
[12:18] <pips1> cbx33: you mentioned earlier that you can install the latest flash player via adobe's web-installer... that didn't use to work for me..?!
[12:18] <pips1> darn, I just missed him