| jdong | well well, if it ain't a new version of kopete | 12:14 |
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| Hawkwind | For dapper ? | 12:17 |
| Tm_T | jdong: already old ;) | 12:19 |
| Tm_T | and I'd like to see one small change in package, richtext should be disabled by default, not enabled imo | 12:19 |
| jdong | heh, 0.12.3 is old? | 12:19 |
| Tm_T | jdong: for me yes | 12:20 |
| Tm_T | (svn here) | 12:20 |
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| Tm_T | =) | 12:20 |
| jdong | I give up on Backports... now back to porting Portage to Ubuntu :D | 12:20 |
| Tm_T | haha | 12:20 |
| nuku | apt-get install stage1 :) | 12:22 |
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| Hawkwind | jdong: Do you have a repo of your own where you keep everything you backport ? | 12:40 |
| jdong | Hawkwind: it's called dapper-backports :) | 12:40 |
| Hawkwind | Ah ok. I thought that was yours but I wasn't sure :) | 12:41 |
| jdong | :) | 12:41 |
| Hawkwind | I didn't know if yours was like mine where it's just 3rd party and not something the distro lists/supports or whatever | 12:41 |
| jdong | Hawkwind: well, it's recognized as "official" backports but of course there's no real support for it | 12:42 |
| jdong | the whole concept of backporting new software is pretty unsupported in nature :) | 12:42 |
| Hawkwind | Heh. I know that oh to well from my days with Mandriva | 12:42 |
| jdong | of course, unsupported != not useful to a vast audience of users | 12:43 |
| jdong | most average ubuntu users seem to have backports on | 12:43 |
| crimsun | and we do use sharp pointy objects when he breaks things. | 12:44 |
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| jdong | hehe | 12:47 |
| jdong | would you guys be happier if I put on a scarlet letter? :) | 12:47 |
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| crimsun | no, that was an honest mistake | 12:49 |
| crimsun | what I can't stand are people who knowing enable dapper-backports only to whine when stuff breaks | 12:50 |
| crimsun | knowingly, even | 12:50 |
| jdong | likewise | 12:50 |
| jdong | I remember an irate user just terrorizing me because a unison backport broke compatibility | 12:51 |
| jdong | while it was clearly discussed in the request ticket that the benefits greatly outweighed the consequences | 12:51 |
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| Hawkwind | crimsun: I totally agree. I've had users do that with my Mandriva repo in the past. They know what backporting can do to their system, yet they whine when it breaks. Very annoying | 12:57 |
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| jdong | Hawkwind: yeah, it worries me to make backporting too easy :) | 12:59 |
| jdong | one part of me feels that I'm gonna get nipped in the behind for prevu :) | 12:59 |
| imbrandon | jdong, you show it by giving people prevu ( big mistake imho but thats my 0.2c ) | 01:00 |
| jdong | imbrandon: it's a safer mechanism than what people are doing in the forums to get their latest crack :-/ | 01:00 |
| jdong | I thought it was the lesser of two evils | 01:00 |
| jdong | and plus, honestly in my days of backporting nothing terrible has come out of development sources | 01:01 |
| imbrandon | the lesser would be to educate them to do it the correct way ( and everyone would benifet ) | 01:01 |
| jdong | they either don't compile, or don't work correctly while installed | 01:01 |
| jdong | well, yeah, sure, but that only goes as far as the user's willing to learn | 01:01 |
| jdong | there's competition for "simplest ways" of doing things, sadly | 01:01 |
| jdong | and "sudo alien ktorrent_for_fc5.rpm" apparently wins over pbuilder + pdebuild | 01:02 |
| imbrandon | still dosent make it right | 01:02 |
| jdong | I don't think it's wrong to write a frontend to pbuilder for the average user to try | 01:02 |
| imbrandon | ok then tell them WHY and the correct way | 01:02 |
| jdong | I've put up enough "this is not supported" disclaimers | 01:02 |
| imbrandon | true pbuilder is better than alien but that just give people one more way to fubar their system | 01:04 |
| jdong | imbrandon: some people choose to live a bit more on the bleeding edge I guess :D | 01:05 |
| imbrandon | and only marginaly batter if you dont understand the whats and wheres and whys | 01:05 |
| imbrandon | great , then those people need to run the development version and help with the solution , not become part of the problem | 01:06 |
| imbrandon | your not gonna convince me ;) | 01:06 |
| jdong | I know I'm not gonna convince you | 01:06 |
| jdong | and I'm gonna stop trying :) | 01:07 |
| imbrandon | and if you say they cant run the developemnt version then they dont need to be rolling their own debs | 01:07 |
| Riddell | time to make those buildds sweat | 01:07 |
| imbrandon | dont get me wrong though, i think it could be a great tool, to help developers , not marketed at the "public" | 01:08 |
| jdong | did kde 3.5.5 get approved or something? | 01:08 |
| Hawkwind | Those that don't do backports will never be convinced by those of us who do. It's an on going battle in every distro | 01:08 |
| imbrandon | jdong, yup yup | 01:08 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, is 3.5.5 going up ? | 01:08 |
| jdong | Hawkwind: a bit of walk a mile in someone else's shoes, no? :) | 01:09 |
| imbrandon | Hawkwind, i do backport, infact i provide some myself ;) i just dont think "joe" should do the, | 01:09 |
| imbrandon | them* | 01:09 |
| Riddell | jdong, imbrandon: yes | 01:09 |
| jdong | imbrandon: well, that is your opinion then :) | 01:10 |
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| Hawkwind | imbrandon: I feel 'joe' can do them for their own personal system, but if they don't really know what they are doing then not put those things they backported up for the public | 01:10 |
| jdong | I personally don't feel we have the right to restrict what 'joe' does with his ubuntu box | 01:11 |
| imbrandon | Hawkwind, and thats where the problem lies, once they do two or 3 they tend to post the debs ;) | 01:11 |
| jdong | if he wants to break it, go right on ahead... | 01:11 |
| imbrandon | jdong, very true, but making it easy for him to break i do think is wrong | 01:11 |
| jdong | that's one way of viewing prevu, but I see it as a safer alternative to other ways joe would want to break his system... | 01:12 |
| jdong | argh, kopete uses newer cdbs now | 01:13 |
| jdong | do Pocket PC's sync well with the kdepim stack? | 01:15 |
| jdong | (I know, completely changed the subject) | 01:15 |
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| jdong | and he's unfortunately eyeing a smart phone because it's cheap | 01:15 |
| imbrandon | jdong, good call on the php5 as that would make all the modules and alot of other things cause to be rebuilt | 01:20 |
| jdong | imbrandon: I'm usually good about knowing what not to touch :) | 01:21 |
| jdong | unfortunately that mostly comes from hands-on experience :) | 01:21 |
| jdong | (unfortunately for my hard drives that have to bear with reimaging, that is) | 01:21 |
| jdong | imbrandon: I'm not wild about cupsys (bug 65177) either | 01:22 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65177 in dapper-backports "cupsys" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65177 | 01:22 |
| jdong | though I do believe it's a good idea to get the referenced bug fixed in dapper-updates | 01:22 |
| imbrandon | ye that needs soem major testing, better for -updates if required | 01:23 |
| jdong | not to mention backports can't really maintain cupsys all that effectively | 01:24 |
| jdong | pitti's gotta watch over cupsys for security... | 01:24 |
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| jdong | imbrandon: do you have any clue about bug 56733? | 01:26 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 56733 in dapper-backports "tomcat5 requires GCJ even though sun-java5-jre is installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/56733 | 01:26 |
| jdong | I am not that familiar with the way java stuff is packaged around here... | 01:27 |
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| imbrandon | nope, i wouldent touch it, but i dont screw with java | 01:30 |
| jdong | yeah | 01:30 |
| jdong | I don't think the original bug is that severe anyway | 01:30 |
| jdong | I don't see the big deal if it pulls in a couple gcj packages | 01:30 |
| jdong | I might poke doko or some other java whiz about it tomorrow | 01:31 |
| jdong | btw, thx for the ktorrent upload :) | 01:31 |
| imbrandon | np | 01:32 |
| imbrandon | close the bug if you will | 01:32 |
| imbrandon | please | 01:32 |
| jdong | imbrandon: will do | 01:33 |
| imbrandon | woot 3.5.5 is comming accorss -changes, i bet the buildd's are sweating Riddell | 01:44 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 01:44 |
| Tm_T | ? | 01:51 |
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| Hobbsee | jdong: around? | 03:30 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: sure | 03:31 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: let me guess.... kopete? | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | no, actually | 03:31 |
| jdong | lol | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | although i should poke you over that | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 03:31 |
| jdong | well, you might wanna tweak your cdbs-ing a bit before talking to me then :) | 03:32 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: why so? what have i done now? | 03:34 |
| nuku | kde 3.5.5 just hits the ftp officially ;) | 03:35 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: your build-dep on cdbs is too tight for dapper :) | 03:37 |
| jdong | fix it :) | 03:37 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: for which kopete? backport 0.12.3 by now :P | 03:37 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: yeah, for kopete, it just ftbfs'ed on me :) | 03:38 |
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| Hobbsee | !info cdbs edgy | 03:39 |
| Hobbsee | !info cdbs dapper | 03:39 |
| ubotu | cdbs: common build system for Debian packages. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.46ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 121 kB, installed size 428 kB | 03:39 |
| ubotu | cdbs: common build system for Debian packages. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.34ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 77 kB, installed size 392 kB | 03:39 |
| Hobbsee | ahh right | 03:39 |
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| Tm_T | AHH! | 03:51 |
| Tm_T | We have new Kopete already, BUT! | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: but? | 03:53 |
| Tm_T | I'm still waiting the website, I was giving to you, opening | 03:56 |
| === Tm_T hates nights he spend doing crap | ||
| Hobbsee | ah | 03:56 |
| Tm_T | 1h to wake up, soo... \o/ | 03:57 |
| jdong | ahem, imbrandon.... | 03:57 |
| jdong | imbrandon: maybe if you looked at the package I prepared for ktorrent it wouldn't FTBFS :D | 03:57 |
| jdong | patch -p0 < debian/patches/kubuntu_02_r586445_choke.patch | 03:58 |
| jdong | patching file libktorrent/torrent/advancedchokealgorithm.cpp | 03:58 |
| jdong | Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] -> Aborting with an error | 03:58 |
| imbrandon | yea i'm fixing now | 03:58 |
| imbrandon | shush | 03:58 |
| jdong | :D | 03:58 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 03:58 |
| Tm_T | http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&m=116052927432371&w=2 | 03:59 |
| Tm_T | This one, I would like to see it in. | 04:00 |
| Tm_T | you know how important that is when you get tooltip with 800x600 image | 04:01 |
| Tm_T | "whoa someone covered my desktop with dogs face" | 04:01 |
| === Tm_T testing it | ||
| imbrandon | jdong, ok fixed and uploaded | 04:02 |
| jdong | thankie imbrandon | 04:03 |
| imbrandon | and i never look at precompiled packages as they cant be uploaded ;) | 04:04 |
| jdong | imbrandon: I had dsc, orig.tar.gz, diff.gz in there too | 04:04 |
| imbrandon | ahh oh well done now ;) | 04:04 |
| jdong | I just tarballed my pbuilder/results folder out of convenience :) | 04:05 |
| imbrandon | next time just upload it somewhere and give a url to the dsc file , thats convenience ;) | 04:05 |
| imbrandon | dget rocks ;) | 04:05 |
| Tm_T | ugh that resizing is good :) | 04:05 |
| jdong | imbrandon: that requires me to have upload space :D | 04:08 |
| jdong | which was ironically discussed at tech board | 04:08 |
| imbrandon | upload space? as in webspace? i can give you space ( i host lots of people free ) | 04:11 |
| imbrandon | why was webspace discussed at the TB ? | 04:11 |
| imbrandon | heh | 04:12 |
| jdong | imbrandon: someone proposed for launchpad to offer a ~username space to all ubuntu members | 04:12 |
| Tm_T | =) | 04:13 |
| imbrandon | oh , i missed that, anyhow do you need some web space? i can give you a gig or 2 of storage | 04:13 |
| Tm_T | Kopete contact list is fun when it has 96x96 contact pics =) | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: that'd be nice | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 04:13 |
| imbrandon | jdong, give me 10 minutes to set it up, i assume you know how to ssh and all that correct ? | 04:14 |
| jdong | imbrandon: that would rock | 04:14 |
| jdong | imbrandon: and yes I know how to ssh :P | 04:14 |
| jdong | :) | 04:14 |
| imbrandon | heya Hobbsee ;) | 04:14 |
| Hobbsee | hi imbrandon | 04:14 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, is one of my "customers" for webspace and buildd ;) | 04:14 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:14 |
| jdong | :) | 04:14 |
| imbrandon | anyhow brb , i'll set it up now and give you the login info in just a sec | 04:14 |
| imbrandon | 2 gigs of space enough? i hope i dont have to explain no pr0n/mp3s/warez etc etc etc | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: aww darn :P | 04:15 |
| imbrandon | lol | 04:16 |
| jdong | imbrandon: 2gigs is plenty | 04:22 |
| jdong | and of course that's a given :) | 04:22 |
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| Hobbsee | :P | 04:27 |
| imbrandon | hahah | 04:28 |
| imbrandon | ok jdong ready? | 04:32 |
| jdong | sure, imbrandon | 04:33 |
| imbrandon | ok your url is http://www.buntudot.org/people/~jdong/ | 04:33 |
| imbrandon | login " ssh jdong@buntudot.org " | 04:33 |
| imbrandon | password 123456 , login and change it asap | 04:33 |
| jdong | thanks | 04:33 |
| imbrandon | anything you put in ~/public will show on that url | 04:34 |
| jdong | awesome | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | anything else is private onyl for you | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | 2gb limit but i can up it if you need it | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | just ping me | 04:34 |
| jdong | I don't think I'll ever hit that limit :) | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | all i ask is you dont run processes when you are not loged in ( e.g. irssi + screen ) and no stuff that will get me in trubble like mp3's warez pr0n etc etc etc | 04:35 |
| imbrandon | other than that , its all you | 04:35 |
| jdong | ok | 04:35 |
| imbrandon | should have php etc etc , if you nedd some mysql or something lemme know | 04:35 |
| imbrandon | i'm flexable | 04:35 |
| imbrandon | s/nedd/need | 04:36 |
| jdong | again, I don't think I'll need that either :D | 04:36 |
| jdong | I'm not too demanding :D | 04:36 |
| imbrandon | right right just letting you know, also if you ever buy a domain etc etc etc i do hosting CHEAP or free | 04:36 |
| Hawkwind | imbrandon: Is that on DH or somewhere else ? | 04:36 |
| imbrandon | Hawkwind, DH | 04:36 |
| jdong | imbrandon: will keep that in mind | 04:37 |
| Hawkwind | DH allows you to run screen/irssi ? | 04:37 |
| imbrandon | Hawkwind, yea you can run anything but you are limited to 60 cpu minutes a day | 04:37 |
| imbrandon | thus i use it for some other scripts | 04:37 |
| imbrandon | ( you have to compile irssi if you want it though , they onlt have ircII installed ) | 04:38 |
| imbrandon | only* | 04:38 |
| Hawkwind | Wow, I honestly didn't know that | 04:38 |
| jdong | imbrandon: did you also remove ktshell_bash.patch from ktorrent? | 04:38 |
| jdong | imbrandon: I beleve that was adopted upstream too | 04:38 |
| imbrandon | jdong, no, i guess we'll see in a bit | 04:39 |
| imbrandon | i'll keep an eye on it | 04:39 |
| imbrandon | jdong, and you might wanna change the foe index.html i put in there "Welcome jdong, remove this file is you wish" | 04:42 |
| imbrandon | ( or just rm it ) | 04:42 |
| imbrandon | while i'm in the control pannel does anyone else need webspace ? | 04:43 |
| Hawkwind | I need about 400GB if you got that much :P | 04:45 |
| imbrandon | lol | 04:46 |
| Hawkwind | Hard to believe I'm using almost 60GB of my 200GB already | 04:47 |
| imbrandon | 1167.022 MB (0.6%) 202780 MB | 04:47 |
| imbrandon | useage / total , for me | 04:48 |
| imbrandon | so i'm using about 11GB | 04:48 |
| Hawkwind | Not bad | 04:48 |
| Hawkwind | Mine is mostly rpm files. Dating back 3 versions of the OS ago | 04:48 |
| Tm_T | http://www.tm-travolta.net/temp/Kopete-Big-01.png | 04:49 |
| imbrandon | eww nasty theme | 04:51 |
| Hawkwind | gnomefreak: You around by chance ? | 04:55 |
| Hawkwind | Hah, damn auto messages! | 04:55 |
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| Tm_T | imbrandon: well, uhh, what's nasty? | 05:36 |
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| Hawkwind | Wow! Mr Reiser killed his wife and has just been arrested. Last I had read she was missing and they had no clue to where she was | 05:50 |
| Tm_T | Hawkwind: so now you already judge him without trial? | 05:51 |
| Tm_T | ;) | 05:51 |
| Hawkwind | I'll still use his FS though :P | 05:51 |
| Tm_T | "quilty until proved otherwise" =) | 05:51 |
| jdong | imbrandon: *cough* *cough* drop ktshell patch *cough* cough | 06:10 |
| jdong | maybe save yourself the misery and use my *tested* sources? :D | 06:11 |
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| nixternal | crimsun: if you are around, have some spare change, i mean time...and know a little bit about hostap to help a guy on the east coast out, give me a ping | 06:34 |
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| Hawkwind | gnomefreak: FYI........I've now got the SoS Edgy repos in place. Feel free to test the E17 stuff and let me know if you have any issues | 07:25 |
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| Jucato | abattoir, Hawkwind do either of you use Yahoo Messenger? | 08:32 |
| nixternal | Jucato: you need to test? | 08:48 |
| nixternal | im up for a few more minutes | 08:48 |
| Jucato | nixternal, ah no thanks... I'm not on my pc today.. :( | 08:48 |
| nixternal | ahh, ok ;) | 08:49 |
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| beligum | Hi all, is there a way to intercept a keystroke and block the event from passing to other apps in userspace? | 10:17 |
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| Riddell | _Sime: know anything about this? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-October/021652.html | 11:30 |
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| freeflying | Riddell: we now use Dejavu Sans defaultly? | 12:00 |
| Hobbsee | freeflying: i believe so | 12:01 |
| Riddell | freeflying: yes | 12:01 |
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| freeflying | Riddell: then we'd reconfigure if we use zh_CN, or we can not make Chinese displayed correctly | 12:02 |
| Riddell | why doesn't chinese like it? | 12:05 |
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| Riddell | freeflying: it's not changed since dapper | 12:06 |
| freeflying | Riddell: we just have alias of chinese fonts in sans and serif | 12:10 |
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| _Sime | Riddell: Displayconfig probably added that extra flag to xorg.conf. | 12:29 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: were you going to release 3.5.5 officially? seeing as it's in edgy repos, and all | 12:38 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: we (KDE) will release it today | 12:39 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ah right. i was surprised to see it in edgy repos before release, that's all. | 12:40 |
| Riddell | needed to get in before rc freeze | 12:41 |
| Hobbsee | good point | 12:42 |
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| Tonio_ | hi | 12:55 |
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| Riddell | freeflying: so what needs done? | 12:57 |
| freeflying | Riddell: can we switch back to sans or sans serif | 12:58 |
| Riddell | _Sime: that would have been added when he ran displayconfig in systemsettings right? not by displayconfig-hwprobe.py | 12:58 |
| Riddell | freeflying: do you know where it would have changed? | 12:59 |
| freeflying | Riddell: k-d-s | 01:00 |
| Riddell | freeflying: have you installed kde 3.5.5? | 01:01 |
| freeflying | Riddell: tried it recently | 01:01 |
| Riddell | freeflying: so it might be an issue with kde 3.5.5? I seem to remember there being some font patch that had to be changed | 01:02 |
| freeflying | Riddell: no, I've done fresh installed using recently edgy's install cd | 01:02 |
| _Sime | Riddell: displayconfig.py | 01:07 |
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| mez | hmm - would it be possible to do like we did with k3b-mp3 and like - make an amarok package that enables mtp and njb ? | 01:16 |
| Riddell | are the libraries in main? | 01:24 |
| Mez | Riddelll: no - thats why I'm asking about it... mtp and njb arent supported in kubuntu - but it's nice for media players to work with amarok | 01:26 |
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| Mez | it'll only build against main right though? | 01:27 |
| Riddell | well amarok is in main | 01:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I have a patch for kdeutils (ark_part is currently broken), want it or should I wait for 3.5.5 to be in main to upload that ? | 01:31 |
| Riddell | if you want to separate those amarok plugins into separate source packages then sure | 01:32 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it's in main, you can upload now | 01:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: great, thanks ;) I missed that | 01:32 |
| Mez | Riddell... seperate sources packages is uber annoying to do | 01:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm gonna try another setting for compressed files... lots of people appreciate the tar and zip ioslaves... | 01:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the ark-part give the same functionnality but with all formats, so it can be interesting using the kpart instead of the app directly | 01:34 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: sorry for yesterday :) will be there toonight, so ping me ;) | 01:45 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: did you include my kate patch in kdelibs ? | 01:51 |
| Mez | Tonio_: did you update that katapult version ? | 01:52 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: nope, need me to do it ? | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: freeze is today, maybe it is a bit late except if it fixes big issues | 01:53 |
| Mez | thought you were adding in that patch ? | 01:53 |
| Mez | it fixes a major issue | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: if it is a patch, no pb, if it is a upstream release, that's an issue :) | 01:54 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: can you paste me your patch ? | 01:54 |
| Mez | Tonio_: you already did it accroding to | 01:54 |
| Mez | http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/k/katapult/katapult_0.3.1.3-0ubuntu4/changelog | 01:54 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: ah this one ;) yes but I missed the bug id ;) | 01:56 |
| Mez | ;) | 01:56 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: sorry I though you were speaking about a new patch | 01:56 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: he did in his not-kde repos. thanks very much for that. | 01:57 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: okay, that's just because I don't see the patch... look like commited in the tarball directly, as 3.5.5 wasn't officially released ;) | 01:57 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: i'm not sure. all i know is that it got fixed, adn therefore my assignment stopped crashing constantly | 01:58 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: the kate patch should be in the kdelibs source orig | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes okay, I was searching in debian/patches :) | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm reuploading kdebase too, since kubuntu_73 is incomplete.... _Sime forgot to add the about:konq patch in it... | 01:59 |
| Tonio_ | I'm upgrading the patch and will remind he also has to include this in it | 02:00 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: upgrading to what? | 02:01 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: need to fix launch.html file, changing media:/ to /media | 02:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: _Sime forgot to add that to the nomediaioslave patch as we did recently, so his upgraded patch miss this | 02:02 |
| Mez | hmm... can I set up a local directory for apt ? | 02:02 |
| Mez | do it's like deb /home/mez/myarchive/ | 02:02 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: did you generate the PAckages.gz and SOurces.gz files ? | 02:03 |
| Mez | Tonio_: , I'm actually thinking of just grabbing a copy of the amarok branches and kde 3.5.1 branches form kubuntu.org | 02:03 |
| Mez | rather than just having the .debs | 02:04 |
| Tonio_ | I must say I never tried to do this.... but I know kpackage can be configured to use a local folder as repo, you can give a try | 02:04 |
| Mez | (at the moment I just have a huge folder full of debbs I want to install | 02:04 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: well the best way is to set a local repo | 02:04 |
| Mez | plus stuff I probably have on my system already | 02:04 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: for example install lighttpd, and a cron to generate the packages.gz and sources.gz files | 02:05 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: that's the way I do for my personnal repo | 02:05 |
| Mez | Tonio_: , set up a webserver I know... but I'm being lazy - and this is so I can install stuff for my pc that isnt currently internet connecte | 02:05 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: well set a local webserver :) | 02:05 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: that'll work even without any internet connection available :) | 02:05 |
| Mez | Tonio_: , but that then means downloading the .deb's anyways | 02:05 |
| Mez | I just have packages I want to install - I'll just make a folder full of .debs and do a huge dpkg -i *.deb | 02:06 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: I dont' follow you.... that means downloading the source package and debs yes, and install them locally | 02:06 |
| Tonio_ | ah! that's just temporary ? | 02:06 |
| Mez | ... ? | 02:06 |
| Riddell | apt supports file:/// | 02:07 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: do you need to do that only once or will you have to make usage of this often ? | 02:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, but the .gz files are needed anyway | 02:07 |
| Mez | Tonio_: once - bascially fresh install, I want some stuff like libmad, etc etc | 02:07 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: then you can dpkg -i *.deb | 02:07 |
| Mez | I'm still waiting for BT to come install the phone line so I can get internet - once thats done | 02:08 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: just be sure you have all deps in the folder dans that's okay | 02:08 |
| Mez | Tonio_: I'm using pbuilder to install it - and then grabbing a copy of it's apt-cache :D | 02:08 |
| Mez | It's a sneaky way of getting all the dependencies | 02:08 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: indeed :) | 02:09 |
| Mez | I just hope that this 1GB USB disk is big enough | 02:09 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: but then you'll get buildeps, not all deps, sometimes binary deps are added to the package directly, you'll probably miss them | 02:09 |
| Mez | Tonio_: no | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: ? | 02:10 |
| Mez | sudo pbuilder login --aptcache /home/mez/aptcache | 02:10 |
| Mez | then when I login - I apt-get install everything I want | 02:10 |
| Mez | and then logout | 02:10 |
| Mez | and it copies the apt-cache contents to /home/mez/aptcache | 02:11 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: ah, that way ;) | 02:11 |
| Mez | so everything it's downloaded | 02:11 |
| Tonio_ | okay yes, that way, you'll get all you want | 02:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: your koffice packages are great :) I didn't have any issue since yesterday, with kword, kpresenter and krita | 02:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I didn't try spread | 02:12 |
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| Mez | hmm - I just hope dpkg is sensible about all this | 02:16 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: tried the language packs? | 02:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well it is in french here, and I didn't saw any major translation problems, except it is a bit incomplete | 02:17 |
| jeroenvrp | is it ok that not all of kde has been updated to 3.5.5 | 02:17 |
| jeroenvrp | ? | 02:17 |
| Tonio_ | but french translation package looks okay | 02:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: arf, you already uploaded kdebase 0ubuntu2 ;) hehe, okay let's make 0ubuntu3 then.... | 02:19 |
| Tonio_ | jeroenvrp: what misses ? | 02:19 |
| jeroenvrp | konqueror | 02:19 |
| Tonio_ | jeroenvrp: ? explain a bit please :) | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: kdebase 3.5.4 is still in the edgy repos | 02:21 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: that may explain yes, but dist-upgrade should also upgrade konq... | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/65301 sigh | 02:21 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65301 in kdebase "kdebase-data contains non-free firefox icon/logo" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | true | 02:21 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: hu ? | 02:22 |
| jeroenvrp | Tonio_: I just checked now; konqueror, kate, kdm, kicker, kpdf, etc etc are still 3.5.4 | 02:22 |
| Tonio_ | jeroenvrp: are the packages on your mirror ? | 02:22 |
| Tonio_ | I don't know in fact, should be upgraded....... | 02:22 |
| jeroenvrp | my mirror is archive.ubuntu.com, that is the main-mirror, right? | 02:23 |
| jeroenvrp | i will check | 02:23 |
| Tonio_ | jeroenvrp: what if you apt-get update && apt-cache show konqueror ? | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | Builds of kdebase - 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu2: | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | No builds recorded. | 02:24 |
| Tonio_ | | grep Version | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | -1 ftbfs | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | that's why | 02:24 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: ah it ftbfs ? | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | Builds of kdebase - 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1: | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | * edgy sparc Failed to build | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | * edgy powerpc Failed to build | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | * edgy ia64 Failed to build | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | * edgy i386 Failed to build | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | * edgy amd64 Failed to build | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 02:24 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: let me check the builddeps.... Riddell changed them to kdelibs355 | 02:25 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: yeah, so we're waiting on -2 to work | 02:25 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: great, let me have a look | 02:25 |
| jeroenvrp | Version: 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu29 | 02:25 |
| Hobbsee | /build/buildd/kdebase-3.5.5/./kdialog/progressdialog.cpp: In member function 'virtual void ProgressDialog::ignoreCancel()': | 02:25 |
| Hobbsee | /build/buildd/kdebase-3.5.5/./kdialog/progressdialog.cpp:90: error: 'ignoreCancel' is not a member of 'KProgressDialog' | 02:25 |
| Hobbsee | make[3] : *** [kdialog.all_cpp.o] Error 1 | 02:25 |
| Hobbsee | hey Mez | 02:25 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: ^ | 02:25 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: that means the build has been done with kdelibs 3.5.4 | 02:27 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: okay I'm testing in a pbuilder chroot | 02:27 |
| Tonio_ | kdelibs4-dev (>= 4:3.5.5) | 02:28 |
| Tonio_ | builddeps by Riddell are correct | 02:28 |
| Mez | hmm - what do I need to get amarok to use the gstreamer engine ? | 02:28 |
| Hobbsee | it's built against 3.5.4, yeah | 02:28 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I'm testing and if that's okay I'll upload 0ubuntu3 version | 02:29 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: maybe the build system did upgrade kdelibs or something | 02:29 |
| jeroenvrp | this is the last version of konqueror I see: konqueror_3.5.4-0ubuntu29_i386.deb see http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebase/ | 02:29 |
| Tonio_ | jeroenvrp: yeah, I can see the problem now, I'll resolve this today | 02:30 |
| Tonio_ | but that's a matter of "deps non built now", not a packaging issue | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: according to the -0ubuntu1 release, it requires kdelibs4-dev (>= 4:3.5.4). assuming that got fixed... | 02:30 |
| jeroenvrp | Tonio_: ok great; always good to hear that your problems are real :-) | 02:30 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: yes that's fixed by Riddell 0ubuntu2 package | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | ahh :) | 02:31 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: but I have to look if it also ftbfs or simply waits to build :) | 02:31 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: true | 02:31 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: look like it waits for building, so best is to try locally | 02:32 |
| Tonio_ | launched here and if it is okay I'll upload again with my patch in it | 02:32 |
| Hobbsee | cool | 02:32 |
| jeroenvrp | anyhow - allthough konqueror is still 3.5.4 googlemaps are working again | 02:35 |
| Tonio_ | jeroenvrp: yes, as long as you don't change the useragent on gmail :) | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | that causes googlemaps to fails (don't ask me why but that's it) | 02:36 |
| jeroenvrp | huh | 02:36 |
| jeroenvrp | was that the case | 02:36 |
| jeroenvrp | strange | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | jeroenvrp: yes, I don't know how it works, but I noticed that | 02:37 |
| jeroenvrp | and you hardcoded a gmail user agent? | 02:37 |
| jeroenvrp | I mean no user agent | 02:38 |
| Tonio_ | jeroenvrp: no I simply never changed it, since when I did, that caused googlemaps to fail | 02:39 |
| Tonio_ | okay let's patch kaffeine mimetypes... need to be done for a while | 02:40 |
| Tonio_ | then kds to upgrade too | 02:40 |
| jeroenvrp | I also didnt change anything | 02:40 |
| Tonio_ | jeroenvrp: ah.... | 02:40 |
| jeroenvrp | no user agent on gmail | 02:40 |
| Tonio_ | jeroenvrp: and if you do, does googlemaps work ? | 02:40 |
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| jeroenvrp | lets try, I change it to firefox | 02:41 |
| jeroenvrp | Tonio_: no it still works | 02:42 |
| jeroenvrp | let me try again | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | jeroenvrp: well, strange but good news ;) | 02:43 |
| jeroenvrp | Tonio_: i tried it again manually, and it still works | 02:46 |
| jeroenvrp | :-) | 02:46 |
| jeroenvrp | jippie | 02:46 |
| Tonio_ | jeroenvrp: good ;) | 02:46 |
| jeroenvrp | or maybe google just fixed it | 02:46 |
| Tonio_ | okay mimetypes done.... now kds... | 02:47 |
| Mez | hmm... Riddell: is KDE 3.5.5 out yet ? | 02:55 |
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| Mez | I just saw the kde-355 repo on kubuntu.org | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: yeah we've uploaded the packages to main, let's just wait for the builds :) | 03:01 |
| Mez | Tonio_ is it worth me getting the kde 3.5.5 packages for dapper? | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: I don't think repos are done, but I assume you should be able to build them in a chroot | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | just build kdelibs first and that's okay :) | 03:02 |
| gnomefreak | did the repo move again? | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: the packages have been accepted in main, so no need of external repos now | 03:03 |
| gnomefreak | 3.5.5 is in main edgy? | 03:04 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: source packages yes, but we need to wait a bit for the binaries (probably toonight) | 03:04 |
| gnomefreak | k | 03:04 |
| Mez | why is this keeping back packages? | 03:06 |
| Mez | The following packages have been kept back: akregator .... | 03:06 |
| Mez | wont let me upgrade to them at all ? | 03:06 |
| Mez | (kde-3.4) | 03:06 |
| Mez | s/3\.4/3\.5\.4/ | 03:07 |
| Riddell | Mez: no | 03:07 |
| Mez | Riddell: what was that a reply to ? | 03:08 |
| Mez | Riddell: and I cant seem to use the kde3.5.4 repos either ? | 03:08 |
| Mez | kmail: Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.3-1) but 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu18 is to be installed | 03:09 |
| Mez | root@tiber:/# apt-cache madison kdelibs4c2a | 03:09 |
| Mez | kdelibs4c2a | 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu2~dapper1 | http://kubuntu.org dapper/main Packages | 03:09 |
| Mez | weird | 03:10 |
| Mez | root@tiber:/# apt-cache madison kdelibs4c2a | 03:10 |
| Mez | grr | 03:10 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: did you ask for koffice 1.6 in main too or is that too late for this ? | 03:23 |
| gnomefreak | it looks like it hit main | 03:23 |
| gnomefreak | Hawkwind: did you build the packages in an edgy pbuilder. sudo apt-get update states that its looking for edgy found dapper | 03:24 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: let me check launchpad :) | 03:26 |
| gnomefreak | Setting up kaddressbook-plugins (3.5.5-0ubuntu1) | 03:26 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: it is still 1.5.2 | 03:27 |
| gnomefreak | i have no 3.5.5 repos in list anymore and its still updating mine. but i have kde 3.5.5 installed already | 03:28 |
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| gnomefreak | and it is still saying kdebase in main is 3.5.4 | 03:29 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: because 3.5.5 didn't build at the moment, that's in the queue | 03:30 |
| gnomefreak | oh ok | 03:30 |
| Tonio_ | [builder] floe ia64[owner] Build Daemon Maintainers BUILDING ia64 build of kdebase 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu2 in ubuntu edgy RELEASE (AUTO) | 03:30 |
| Tonio_ | that's currently building in fact | 03:30 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 03:31 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: I've not got a changelog from them yet | 03:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah.... | 03:36 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm gonna try a wengophone UVF exception since the current version ftbfs on edgy and is 10 times more buggy than 2.0 | 03:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but no changelog so I'll try to negociate ;) | 03:36 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: debdiff is 72MB since it has been rewriten from scratch..... I can't post this :) | 03:40 |
| Tonio_ | mdz: ping ? | 03:40 |
| Tonio_ | mdz: I wanted your opinion on this : wengophone currently ftbfs, and even with corrected packaging, is really crappy, unstable and non working | 03:41 |
| Tonio_ | mdz: new version has been rewritten from scratch, but debdiff is really too big to be uploaded for an UVF Exception Request... | 03:42 |
| Tonio_ | mdz: what would you suggest ? | 03:42 |
| Tonio_ | the point is it would be nice to get a building package for the repos... | 03:43 |
| Hawkwind | gnomefreak: Strange. They were built directly on an Edgy install just like I the dapper ones were always built | 03:53 |
| gnomefreak | W: Conflicting distribution: http://SeerOfSouls.com edgy Release (expected edgy but got dapper) | 03:53 |
| gnomefreak | thats what im getting | 03:53 |
| Hawkwind | Ahhhhhhh, the Release file is wrong I bet | 03:55 |
| Hawkwind | Bahhh, that's what it is. The Release file in the Edgy directory has all the Dapper info still. I'll figure out how to fix it here in a bit | 03:56 |
| gnomefreak | ok take your time | 03:56 |
| Hawkwind | I wonder, can that file just be edited with an editor and the Dapper stuff changed, or will that cause issues | 03:57 |
| Hawkwind | gnomefreak: Any idea if you can do that or not ? | 03:59 |
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| gnomefreak | that i dont know i dont see why not as everyother file can be changed | 03:59 |
| gnomefreak | you might have to re-build it though | 03:59 |
| jdong | Hawkwind: aren't release files done with a text editor anyway? | 04:01 |
| jdong | at least that is how I've done mine | 04:01 |
| Hawkwind | jdong: I have a script that does mine | 04:02 |
| Hawkwind | gnomefreak: Try updating and all again. I've just manually edited the Release file | 04:02 |
| jdong | pfft, script.... | 04:03 |
| gnomefreak | brb gonna smoke while they are updateing its looking good as it is taking a while | 04:03 |
| Hawkwind | jdong: Heh. If you can automate it, do so. Saves having to do stuff manually all the time :) | 04:04 |
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| jdong | Hawkwind: yeah, that's pretty much what prevu was :D | 04:05 |
| Hawkwind | Hah yeah, for sure | 04:05 |
| gnomefreak | it fixed it now your key dont work again | 04:09 |
| gnomefreak | ls gives me hawkwind.asc | 04:10 |
| Hawkwind | Had you already imported my key ? | 04:12 |
| gnomefreak | yes | 04:12 |
| gnomefreak | should i re-inport it? | 04:12 |
| gnomefreak | import* | 04:13 |
| Hawkwind | Try to reimport it and see if that helps | 04:13 |
| gnomefreak | running update again | 04:15 |
| gnomefreak | no still bad sig error | 04:15 |
| Hawkwind | Ughhhhhhhh | 04:15 |
| gnomefreak | W: GPG error: http://SeerOfSouls.com edgy Release: The following signatures were invalid: with your key info here | 04:15 |
| Hawkwind | And nothing will install without the signature, correct ? | 04:15 |
| gnomefreak | they should | 04:16 |
| gnomefreak | just gonna give me untrusted do you still want to | 04:16 |
| Hawkwind | Ok, see if the rest works ok. I'll figure out this key and Release file thing | 04:16 |
| gnomefreak | ok no rush | 04:16 |
| jdong | ah yesh, that 's why we use scripts to generate release files | 04:16 |
| jdong | GPG signing :D | 04:16 |
| Hawkwind | gnomefreak: Actually, wait | 04:17 |
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| gnomefreak | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! | 04:17 |
| gnomefreak | is what happens | 04:17 |
| gnomefreak | waiting | 04:17 |
| gnomefreak | while im waiitng id like to find out what version of firefox im using :( | 04:17 |
| Hawkwind | gnomefreak: Ok, update again | 04:18 |
| Hawkwind | I resigned the Release file *after* manually editing it. I bet that does the trick | 04:18 |
| gnomefreak | its fixed ;) | 04:19 |
| gnomefreak | ty | 04:19 |
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| Hawkwind | Groovy. Sorry for all the problems | 04:20 |
| gnomefreak | its all good | 04:20 |
| gnomefreak | anyone running FF in edgy (edgys version | 04:20 |
| Hawkwind | It's all new to me, so learning it is taking me a bit :) | 04:20 |
| Hawkwind | I am in vmware | 04:20 |
| Tonio_ | hum, so many people seem to use linux inside vmware... :) | 04:22 |
| gnomefreak | i cant figure out what version im running it should be the one i built but its not acting like it | 04:22 |
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| Hawkwind | gnomefreak: dpkg -l firefox doesn't tell you ? | 04:22 |
| gnomefreak | ii firefox 1.99+2.0rc2+dfs that looks like ubuntu version | 04:23 |
| jdong | Tonio_: vmware rocks | 04:23 |
| jdong | gnomefreak: you have edgy 2.0rc2 installed | 04:23 |
| gnomefreak | thats gonna piss me off because that means iwj set it to overwrite any symlinks it finds | 04:23 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: yes I used it everyday at work gsx server on IBM blade center) | 04:24 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: the point is it sounds better using windows inside linux vmware :) | 04:24 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: the more stable env virtualizing the less stable :) | 04:24 |
| jdong | Tonio_: I use linux inside linux vmware.... | 04:24 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: can be done too indeed :) | 04:25 |
| === jdong wishes for imbrandon to wake up | ||
| jdong | and re-re-fix his ktorrent upload | 04:25 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: what to be done ? | 04:26 |
| jdong | drop the remaining patch | 04:26 |
| jdong | the ktshell one | 04:26 |
| jdong | included upstream | 04:26 |
| jdong | but Tonio_, don't do it :D | 04:27 |
| jdong | or imbrandon will come and hunt me down for double-upload again :D | 04:27 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: hum, well yeah you're right :) | 04:27 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: the point is imbrandon is inactive here for 2 1/2 days :) | 04:27 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: the patch has been included upstream but do we have the last version ? | 04:28 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: does it ftbfs actually ? | 04:28 |
| jdong | Tonio_: it ftbfs'es yes | 04:28 |
| jdong | and we are in the process of uploading the latest version | 04:28 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: bah......; I'll do it and ping imbrandon | 04:28 |
| jdong | 2.0.3 | 04:28 |
| Tonio_ | let's get that fixed ! | 04:28 |
| jdong | whee! | 04:28 |
| jdong | ok, hopefully imbrandon gets the message :D | 04:28 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: he will :) | 04:29 |
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| Tonio_ | imbrandon, imbrandon_: I'M DOING THE KTORRENT STUFF !!!!!!!! | 04:30 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 04:31 |
| jdong | hehe, didn't that not work last time :D | 04:31 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: I'll /msg the same message :) | 04:31 |
| jdong | yeah, spam him on every communications channel! | 04:31 |
| Tonio_ | and then an email :) | 04:31 |
| Tonio_ | okay let's test the build and upload | 04:33 |
| jdong | Tonio_: <sarcasm> what's this "testing the build before uploading" concept? </sarcasm> | 04:34 |
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| Tonio_ | jdong: hehe, avoid ftbfs maybe ? ^_^ | 04:34 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: when you have uploaded ftbfs kdebase once in front of all the ubuntu masters, building before any upload become like a reflex, believe ma ;) | 04:35 |
| Tonio_ | s/ma/me | 04:35 |
| jdong | :) | 04:35 |
| imbrandon_ | Tonio_: what the fuck ? | 04:39 |
| imbrandon_ | Tonio_: read your query | 04:39 |
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| danimo | moin | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: hehe, you were not there so I fixed ktorrent package :) | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: jdong wanted to avoid the dupicate stuff, so I pingued you everywhere :) | 04:43 |
| imbrandon | [09:27] <Tonio_> jdong: the point is imbrandon is inactive here for 2 1/2 days :) ?? i dont know where the hell you got this info but it is totaly wrong, i was in here less that 6 hours ago doing stuff, as far as the ktorrent stuff listen here bud, dont fucking yell at me , infact listen up | 04:43 |
| imbrandon | yea i tried to tell you this yesterday so listen here | 04:43 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: I pingued you several times without any response: :) | 04:43 |
| Tonio_ | sorry for the confusion... | 04:43 |
| imbrandon | i said listen ... i' | 04:44 |
| imbrandon | m typing | 04:44 |
| === Tonio_ listens | ||
| imbrandon | jdong pinged my several hours BEFORE you poped in and said yesterday "i'll upload ktorrent" infact i had already uploaded it by that time and the bug was assigned to me | 04:45 |
| imbrandon | on LP | 04:45 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: fyi, I didn't upload yet, I was just building to test the package.... | 04:45 |
| imbrandon | so next time you feel like YELLING AT SOMEONE FUCKING CHECK | 04:45 |
| Tonio_ | ... no need to be that agressive imbrandon... | 04:45 |
| jsgotangco | eh? | 04:46 |
| imbrandon | dude you YELLED AT ME IN EVERY CHANNEL AND QUERY WINDOW | 04:46 |
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| Tonio_ | imbrandon: consider that was a joke.... read the log ! | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | hah. no kidding. | 04:46 |
| jsgotangco | chill dude its only software | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: i think he's just really really tire | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | d | 04:46 |
| jdong | wow.... | 04:47 |
| jsgotangco | well he's passionate for sure | 04:47 |
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| Tonio_ | my god...... he got mad or what ? | 04:47 |
| crimsun | he's probably a tad touchy that I stole his pony. | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: yeah. he gets mad when he's tired. | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: *g* | 04:47 |
| jsgotangco | doesn't make any sense to get mad on irc | 04:48 |
| === Hobbsee has seen this before. | ||
| Hobbsee | he'll probably come back apologetic in the morning. | 04:48 |
| Hawkwind | gnomefreak: Did everything install ok for the E17 stuff ? | 04:48 |
| gnomefreak | yep all went well | 04:48 |
| Hawkwind | gnomefreak: Awesome. I'm glad to hear that :) | 04:49 |
| gnomefreak | i will play with it right after i figure this issue i have out | 04:50 |
| Hawkwind | gnomefreak: Many thanks for testing it and reporting the issues and helping me get things right. It greatly helps | 04:50 |
| gnomefreak | ty for building it | 04:50 |
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| Hawkwind | Heh, need to go cool off.........somewhere in the arctic might not even help with as heated as he was | 04:51 |
| Hawkwind | gnomefreak: I just made a change to the script and uploaded things again. On the next build it will run the same and hopefully we won't run into this Release/key issue again :) | 04:53 |
| gnomefreak | cool :) | 04:53 |
| seaLne | raphink: interestink I tried to create a directory of your name (no spaces) and i ended up with lPinsonRapha something didn't like your funny e :) | 04:59 |
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| raphink | seaLne: I don't think stressed letters are a good idea in a shell ;) | 05:00 |
| raphink | heh, works fine here though seaLne | 05:00 |
| raphink | :) | 05:00 |
| seaLne | i'm not convinced that everything likes UTF8 i have all sort of problems with the interview translations | 05:01 |
| raphink | $ mkdir tst | 05:01 |
| raphink | $ ls | 05:01 |
| raphink | tst | 05:01 |
| raphink | :) | 05:01 |
| Hawkwind | Shouldn't we have something on kubuntu.org about KDE 3.5.5 and koffice 1.6 being out now ? | 05:04 |
| sebas | Koffice is due next week, 3.5.5 is out just now | 05:04 |
| Hawkwind | Eh, I thought the build of koffice 1.6 we had was final | 05:05 |
| seaLne | saturday i think is koffice release? | 05:06 |
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| sebas | Releasing on a Saturday generally is stupid | 05:06 |
| Hawkwind | I was just wondering since KDE 3.5.5 got uploaded last night | 05:06 |
| sebas | I'd choose a Tuesday | 05:07 |
| seaLne | Hawkwind: these were pre release builds to check things worked | 05:07 |
| Hawkwind | seaLne: I'm talking about the ones uploaded last night, the final version for Edgy | 05:07 |
| Hawkwind | seaLne: Not the pre-release stuff | 05:07 |
| gnomefreak | Hawkwind: 1.6 last i heard wasnt approved for edgy yet | 05:09 |
| Hawkwind | gnomefreak: Ahhh, thought I had seen where it was. I new 3.5.5 was approved | 05:09 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 05:12 |
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| === imbrandon hugs Tonio_ and go's back to work | ||
| imbrandon | jdong, i see you poked someone about the NEW dapper packages ? | 05:24 |
| === Tonio_ hugs imbrandon back | ||
| Tonio_ | I'll remember caps are agressive in english ;) (that's different in french) | 05:26 |
| === Tonio_ breaks the caps key on his keyboard ! | ||
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: fyi, the patch isn't the only issue on ktorrent... | 05:27 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: error while opening "/usr/include/kde.pot" for reading: No such file or directory | 05:27 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: the kdepotpatch doesn't seem valid too | 05:27 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: want me to do it too ? | 05:27 |
| imbrandon | sure | 05:29 |
| imbrandon | afaik the the pot patch was commented out , but yea go ahead, i dident have an issue with you doing it | 05:30 |
| imbrandon | it was everything else ;) | 05:30 |
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| Tonio_ | imbrandon: is there a reason for the package not to use a better pat system, like simple_patchsys ? | 05:31 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, becouse thats what was there, i dident change that | 05:31 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: okay | 05:32 |
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| Tonio_ | imbrandon: what is the launchpad bug to close for the ftbfs problem ? I can't seem to find it | 05:42 |
| imbrandon | there isnt one for the ftbs, we just was talking in irc about it | 05:42 |
| goldenear | Tonio_: I've found a new (open) solution for videoconferencing... That may be the solution you are looking for to make videoconf with your family :) | 05:42 |
| imbrandon | the only bug on LP was the | 05:42 |
| imbrandon | one for uvf | 05:42 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: okay :) | 05:42 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: hehe, I'm listening | 05:42 |
| goldenear | It also may be the right tool for ubuntu's meetings | 05:43 |
| goldenear | http://www.vlvc.net/en-about.html | 05:43 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: okay Just built corrently, and uploaded | 05:43 |
| imbrandon | coo; | 05:43 |
| imbrandon | cool | 05:43 |
| Tonio_ | videolan project ? interesting | 05:43 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: isn't that wxwidget based like vlc ? | 05:43 |
| goldenear | and it's cross plateform :) | 05:43 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: yes, but gtk based :) | 05:44 |
| goldenear | sure it is. | 05:44 |
| goldenear | but at least it's FOSS | 05:44 |
| Tonio_ | so that's a very nice solution, but probably not for kubuntu | 05:44 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: yeah, but we don't have enough space on the cd to support both kde and gtk libs.... | 05:44 |
| goldenear | why not, there is kvlc | 05:44 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: replaced a long time ago by the wxwidget version | 05:45 |
| Tonio_ | kvlc only exists as a dummy package | 05:45 |
| goldenear | and can't wxwidget use QT ? | 05:45 |
| Tonio_ | nope, QT is too complicate to be supported at the moment...... | 05:45 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: maybe one day | 05:45 |
| goldenear | it's just a wrapper after all | 05:45 |
| Tonio_ | yes, but not compatible with qt/kde | 05:46 |
| goldenear | not yet | 05:46 |
| Tonio_ | yes 'yet' | 05:46 |
| goldenear | anyway, vlvc may be a nice solution even if using gtk | 05:47 |
| Tonio_ | but I agree that looks like the ideal tool for conferencing | 05:47 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: yes, but not as the kubuntu default one | 05:47 |
| goldenear | I'm thinking about making oskar compatible with this | 05:47 |
| Tonio_ | but with qt4, as it'll be free on windows, there is a chance that wxwidget gets compatible or even videolan project can be ported...... | 05:47 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: hum, could be a nice idea, but that'll look strange for a videoplayer :) | 05:48 |
| goldenear | vlc is a video player | 05:48 |
| goldenear | vlvc is just an extension to vlc | 05:48 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: yes, and that also looks strange for a videoplayer :) | 05:48 |
| goldenear | to trick is very simple: vlc can play video both from a stream and from a capture device... it can also stream the current playing item... | 05:49 |
| Tonio_ | I know ;) | 05:49 |
| goldenear | it's just one step from videoconferencing :) | 05:49 |
| Tonio_ | videolan means "video on lan" | 05:49 |
| goldenear | and that's exactly that step that vlvc has done :D | 05:49 |
| Tonio_ | it is designed for streaming in the first place | 05:49 |
| Tonio_ | that could be a pretty cool solution for conferencing, I agree, but that'll not replace an IM for Joe, in my opinion | 05:50 |
| goldenear | of course not | 05:50 |
| goldenear | it just a complementary tool | 05:50 |
| Tonio_ | because that requires knowledge in network (IP etc....) to be used | 05:50 |
| Tonio_ | true | 05:51 |
| Tonio_ | but a great replacement for teamspeak, yes, definitly | 05:51 |
| goldenear | but for ubuntu conferencing, that could be better than the actual proprietary system used :) | 05:51 |
| goldenear | yes:) | 05:51 |
| Tonio_ | is that tcp or udp based ? | 05:52 |
| Tonio_ | well if only kopete could support latest libjingle, that would be good.... | 05:53 |
| Tonio_ | video on jabber will come one day, no doubt on this | 05:53 |
| fdoving | wee, kde 3.5.5 in edgy :)= | 05:53 |
| fdoving | and released :) | 05:54 |
| goldenear | Tonio_: I believe vlvc is udp/rtp based (wich make it easily iteroperable with sip or jabber/jingle) | 05:57 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: yes, that sounds better :) This is why I asked :) | 05:58 |
| Tonio_ | because cross plateform is a good thing, but new non-interoperable tech isn't :) | 05:58 |
| goldenear | vlvc for videoconferencing, sip for voip and jabber for IM ... with gateways between each of the them... ahh FOOS is nice :) | 05:59 |
| goldenear | FOSS* | 06:00 |
| LeeJunFan | jeez Riddell what the heck are you using to compile? I've got a 6mbit connection and I can hardly keep up with the kde changes! :) | 06:00 |
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| gnomefreak | Tonio_: have we requested koffice 1.6? | 06:01 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: Riddell currently waits for a changelog.... that's a must have for a uvf exception request | 06:02 |
| gnomefreak | ah ok | 06:02 |
| fdoving | LeeJunFan: the ubuntu build daemons i guess :) | 06:02 |
| LeeJunFan | fdoving: yeah, like a 8 way CPU system.. | 06:03 |
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| aeig | we should add a file like /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20archive in gnome update-notifier to adept-notifier | 06:14 |
| Riddell | what does that do? | 06:15 |
| aeig | apt settings for: | 06:15 |
| aeig | maxage | 06:16 |
| aeig | minage | 06:16 |
| aeig | maxsize | 06:16 |
| aeig | so old deb files will be deleted | 06:16 |
| aeig | in daily cronjob /etc/cron.daily/apt | 06:17 |
| Riddell | aeig: file a bug, we'll do it in dgy+1 | 06:19 |
| Riddell | edgy+1 | 06:19 |
| aeig | ok | 06:19 |
| Hawkwind | Does anyone know if the decision for a name for Edgy+1 has been made, and if not, is there a date it will be made by or on ? | 06:21 |
| Riddell | it's been made | 06:21 |
| Riddell | not sure what the delay in announcing it is | 06:21 |
| Hawkwind | Who knows it ? | 06:22 |
| abattoir | Riddell knows it ;) | 06:22 |
| Hawkwind | I just came up with a good one for F, but if the decision has been made it'll be forever to get back around to the F's again | 06:23 |
| Hawkwind | Hah | 06:23 |
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| Tonio__ | _Sime: just pinging you concerning your patches :) | 06:36 |
| Tonio__ | _Sime: everything looks pretty stable now, but audio cds still give an empty folder (as you told me it should work better...) | 06:36 |
| Tonio__ | _Sime: isn't that possible to link /media/cdrom0 to audiocd:/ somehow ? | 06:37 |
| Tonio__ | _Sime: just saw the URL of /media/cdrom0 icon is audiocd:/, but that doesn't seem to work at the moment :) | 06:39 |
| jdong | imbrandon: yeah, kamion processed them a few hours ago | 06:53 |
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| jdong | Tonio__: the ktorrent kdepot patch was commented out ever since like 2.0.1... | 06:54 |
| jdong | Tonio__: you sent imbrandon an e-mail too?! | 06:55 |
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| Tonio__ | jdong: yes but without the patch if ftbfs in my chroot | 06:56 |
| Tonio__ | jdong: and afaik there is no reason to avoid the patching :) | 06:56 |
| jdong | Tonio__: really? can you explain why my source package builds then? | 06:56 |
| Tonio__ | jdong: I asked imbrandon, and he doesn't mind | 06:56 |
| Tonio__ | jdong: .... don't know in fact... it failed here searching for /usr/share/kde.pot, and worked with the patch | 06:57 |
| Tonio__ | that's all I know | 06:57 |
| jdong | ok, fine by me :D | 06:57 |
| Tonio__ | I tried twice for the same result... | 06:57 |
| jdong | very very weird | 06:57 |
| Tonio__ | I agree, but well, it is never bad to have the rosetta patch anyway :) | 06:58 |
| jdong | hehe | 06:58 |
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| mdz | Tonio__: wengophone is in universe; ->MOTU | 07:11 |
| mdz | Tonio__: if the current version doesn't build at all, I don't expect there would be any objections to updating it | 07:11 |
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| Tonio__ | mdz: thanks for the info | 07:19 |
| Tonio__ | mdz: I just wanted to avoid UVF Exception request since debdiff is >70MB ;) | 07:23 |
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| imbrandon | woot, i just converted my step-dad from windows xp to kubuntu ;) | 07:33 |
| imbrandon | Tonio__, ^ | 07:33 |
| fdoving | imbrandon: did you make the notes on the cross-compiling-stuff yet? | 07:34 |
| imbrandon | fdoving, ahh no, here is the short story though, you installed those debs right ? | 07:34 |
| fdoving | imbrandon: yes, i did. | 07:34 |
| fdoving | i have to go eat, but you can keep talking, and i'll read it when i get back. | 07:35 |
| fdoving | :) | 07:35 |
| imbrandon | if you did install dpkg-cross and modify /etc/dpkg-cross/cross-compile | 07:35 |
| Tonio__ | imbrandon: hehe, cool ;) get his feedback ! | 07:35 |
| imbrandon | and then you can just "debuild -apowerpc" etc etc etc | 07:35 |
| imbrandon | as normal | 07:35 |
| imbrandon | Tonio__, yup yup | 07:36 |
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| mhb | hello devs | 07:40 |
| sebas | hello mhb | 07:41 |
| mhb | will KDE 3.5.5 get into edgy? | 07:42 |
| seaLne | it is | 07:42 |
| mhb | great | 07:42 |
| mhb | thanks for the information :o) | 07:43 |
| seaLne | using it just now on a machine | 07:43 |
| seaLne | not an amazing difference to see :) | 07:43 |
| mhb | seaLne: so it's officially there, right? | 07:43 |
| seaLne | yep | 07:43 |
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| mhb | seaLne: cool | 07:45 |
| mhb | seaLne: thanks for the info | 07:45 |
| seaLne | np | 07:45 |
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| lnxkde | Riddell: thankx for the KDE 3.5.5 ;) | 08:00 |
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| theine | Hi, is kopete somehow missing from the kde-355 repo? | 08:10 |
| _Sime | Tonio__: pong | 08:14 |
| fdoving | theine: looks like it is. | 08:18 |
| fdoving | theine: ping riddell about it. | 08:18 |
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| sebas | ii kopete 3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu1 instant messenger for KDE | 08:19 |
| sebas | I have it installed | 08:19 |
| fdoving | in dapper? | 08:20 |
| sebas | In Edgy | 08:21 |
| fdoving | it's not in http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/pool-dapper/kdenetwork/ | 08:21 |
| fdoving | i have it too, in edgy. | 08:21 |
| Tonio__ | _Sime: hi | 08:21 |
| Tonio__ | _Sime: so as a already wrote, new patches don't change anything with audio cds... | 08:22 |
| _Sime | Tonio__: what is this I here about audio cds not working for you? | 08:22 |
| Tonio__ | still empty folder | 08:22 |
| _Sime | Tonio__: what are you doing *exactly*? | 08:22 |
| Tonio__ | _Sime: yeah, if I open /media/cdrom0 in konq, I get an empty folder | 08:22 |
| _Sime | Tonio__: it works for me. :-) | 08:22 |
| Tonio__ | just inserting a cd and browsing the cd with konq... | 08:22 |
| _Sime | Tonio__: that I understand. | 08:22 |
| Tonio__ | the point is that my device is scd0 | 08:23 |
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| Tonio__ | can that be the cause ? | 08:23 |
| _Sime | wait a sec. | 08:23 |
| Tonio__ | _Sime: okay | 08:23 |
| _Sime | if you insert a CD, you get that popup, can you then open the cd in konq (via the popup)? | 08:24 |
| _Sime | does that work? | 08:24 |
| Tonio__ | nope, same issue | 08:24 |
| _Sime | mmm | 08:24 |
| Tonio__ | it still uses /media/cdrom0 | 08:24 |
| _Sime | konq then opens up in /media/cdrom0??? | 08:24 |
| Tonio__ | _Sime: I have to go, I'm not there toonight, but I'll be there tomorrow, can we try to make a point tomorrow concerning this issue ? | 08:24 |
| Tonio__ | yes | 08:24 |
| Tonio__ | let me check | 08:25 |
| _Sime | wierd, | 08:25 |
| Tonio__ | I'm redoing the test | 08:25 |
| Hawkwind | Can anyone tell me why I get this on Edgy: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/159 | 08:25 |
| _Sime | ok I'll see you tomorrow | 08:25 |
| Tonio__ | _Sime: just inserting a cd, I choosed "open in a new windows" and it opens with /media/cdrom0 | 08:25 |
| Tonio__ | okay let's see this tomorrow | 08:26 |
| Tonio__ | bye ! | 08:26 |
| _Sime | Tonio__: that is weird, I'll think about it. | 08:26 |
| _Sime | cya | 08:26 |
| _Sime | Riddell, sebas: Can you guys give me a yell before you package a new version of guidance. I want to put a real release up on my site, instead of svn20061010 etc. | 08:26 |
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| Lure | Riddell: ditto - here I am chasing some power-manager issues | 08:34 |
| Lure | _Sime: I suspect it will have to be soon though, as time is running out... | 08:35 |
| _Sime | Lure: I can release very quickly when I need to. :) | 08:36 |
| Lure | _Sime: I am not sure if we need to go with full UVF process though | 08:36 |
| _Sime | Lure: :-/ the main difference would be the version number. | 08:37 |
| fdoving | Hawkwind: it's because of a new apt feature which has some issues a while back. you can use 'apt-mark unmarkauto packagename' to remove packages from the autoremove list. if you want to remove the whole list, you can delete /var/lib/apt/extended_states | 08:40 |
| Hawkwind | fdoving: Will the system get messed up if I move that list ? I mean, I see things like kopete on there. Once it removes it, does that mean kopete isn't installed on the system any longer ? | 08:41 |
| sebas | _Sime: I'm not packaging, so that's easy | 08:41 |
| sebas | And actually I'm swamped with all other kinds of random crap, someone teach to me say "NO!!!!!!!". | 08:41 |
| fdoving | Hawkwind: your system will not get messed up if you remove the list. if you run autoremove the packages listed will be removed from your system, like 'apt-get remove <pkglist>' | 08:42 |
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| Hawkwind | fdoving: Ah ok. So it's probably best to just ignore that output and proceed on with other things | 08:43 |
| fdoving | Hawkwind: or use 'apt-mark unmarkauto pkg' for the packages you want to keep and let it remove the ones you don't need. | 08:44 |
| fdoving | then it'll be fixed | 08:44 |
| Hawkwind | fdoving: Ok. I'll go through the list one by one and see what I need/want. Thanks for the info | 08:45 |
| Hawkwind | fdoving: I assume since you mentioned an issue a while back, that a bug report has been filed somewhere ? | 08:45 |
| fdoving | Hawkwind: yes, it | 08:45 |
| fdoving | s fixed too. | 08:45 |
| Hawkwind | Ah ok. So I won't ever see this issue again then hopefully | 08:46 |
| fdoving | hopefully :) | 08:46 |
| fdoving | only when you have something that is useless. | 08:47 |
| Hawkwind | fdoving: Gotcha. Many thanks! | 08:47 |
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| Hawkwind | fdoving: There isn't a switch for apt-mark unmarkauto such as -a or anything ? | 09:00 |
| pef | hello | 09:00 |
| fdoving | Hawkwind: no, you'd get that by just deleting /var/lib/apt/extended_states | 09:01 |
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| Hawkwind | Gotcha. Seems to be back to normal for now :) | 09:03 |
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| jdong_ | I feel like randomly defragging my ext3 partition.... | 09:06 |
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| kwwii | so....anyone know why I get this error when checking out a bzr repo? | 09:14 |
| kwwii | bzr: ERROR: Connection error: Unable to connect to SSH host bazaar.launchpad.net:None: | 09:14 |
| jdong_ | kwwii: what's your checkout command? | 09:15 |
| Hawkwind | Bahhh, a plane just crashed into a residential high rise building in New York :( | 09:15 |
| kwwii | bzr checkout sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu | 09:16 |
| jdong_ | looks good to me.... | 09:17 |
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| jdong_ | Hawkwind: isn't that a month behind schedule? | 09:23 |
| Hawkwind | jdong_: That really isn't funny :( | 09:23 |
| jdong_ | Hawkwind: wait, are you serious? | 09:24 |
| Hawkwind | jdong_: Yes, it's all over the news | 09:24 |
| Hawkwind | It's not terrorist related thankfully | 09:24 |
| jdong_ | I thought you were kidding, as I have google news on my desktop and it's not saying anything.... | 09:24 |
| jdong_ | but yeah, now that I glance at other news sites, it is real | 09:24 |
| Hawkwind | CNN.com | 09:24 |
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| Lure | Riddell: kdegraphics is still not built in edgy (wait on depend): https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/253991 | 10:14 |
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| jdong | whee, ktorrent-2.0.3-0ubuntu3 works | 11:12 |
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| Hawkwind | Nice! | 11:13 |
| Hawkwind | Let's have it! | 11:13 |
| Hawkwind | Hah | 11:13 |
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| fdoving | gnite. | 11:18 |
| jdong | alright! perfect timing! let's crash, why don't we, firefox | 11:19 |
| jdong | stupid good for nothing piece of crap | 11:19 |
| jdong | here, I'll write a firefox for you | 11:19 |
| jdong | ps aux | awk '{print $2}' | xargs kill -SEGV | 11:20 |
| jdong | there you go | 11:20 |
| jdong | it does the same friggin thing | 11:20 |
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| Lure | Riddell: there are fixes for bug 64053 and bug 64978 in svn (I am still investigating some other powermanager reports) | 11:22 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 64053 in kde-guidance "does not recognize ibook as a laptop" [Medium,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/64053 | 11:22 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 64978 in kde-guidance "powermanager icon sometimes shows fully charged when not" [Undecided,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/64978 | 11:23 |
| Lure | Riddell: and _Sime would prefer new kde-guidance release instead of just svnYYYYMMDD release | 11:23 |
| Lure | kwwii: any update on icons for powermanager planned still? | 11:24 |
| kwwii | Lure: do you know when the next deadline is? | 11:26 |
| kwwii | I cannot even update k-d-s because of bzr problems | 11:26 |
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| Lure | kwwii: since RC is on Oct 19, I would suspect sometime this week - there is meeting tommorow when this will probably be discussed | 11:27 |
| kwwii | Lure: yeah, I will be there | 11:27 |
| kwwii | I have two things to update, but, as I said I am having bzr problems | 11:27 |
| kwwii | (and my wife is gone, so I am watching my son) | 11:28 |
| kwwii | which limits my time to try | 11:28 |
| kwwii | and at 23:27 my time I am trying to relax after a hard day :pp | 11:28 |
| Lure | kwwii: relax - I will do also the same soon ;-) | 11:28 |
| kwwii | :-) | 11:29 |
| kwwii | dude, a 9 year kid has a lot of needs | 11:29 |
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