[08:58] <Madpilot> so, does this whole "Iceweasel" stupidity mean that someone has to go thru our docs for Edgy with "s/Firefox/Iceweasel"?
[09:01] <mdke_> what is the outcome of that?
[09:01] <mdke_> they're changing the name?
[09:01] <Madpilot> Debian is, because MozCorp is being shirty about their trademarsk
[09:01] <Madpilot> trademarks, even
[09:02] <mdke_> and is Ubuntu going to too?
[09:02] <Madpilot> apparently
[09:02] <mdke_> blimey
[09:02] <Madpilot> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 <-- original Deb bug report
[09:02] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 354622 in firefox "Using Firefox as the app name without official branding is still" [Serious,Open]  
[09:03] <Madpilot> http://lwn.net/Articles/200301/ <-- scroll down to "The Return of Iceweasel"
[09:03] <mdke_> what did mdz say about it?
[09:03] <poningru> uh...
[09:04] <poningru> frack
[09:04] <poningru> hold on
[09:04] <poningru> we are not changing the name btw
[09:04] <poningru> looking for the log
[09:04] <poningru> hold on
[09:05] <poningru> ouch
[09:05] <mdke_> is mdz leaving btw? I saw a job advert which disturbed me
[09:05] <poningru> arr?
[09:06] <poningru> Oct 05 03:14:11 <iwj> mdz: So just to be clear, I should arrange for it to be called `firefox' unless I hear from you otherwise ?
[09:06] <mdke_> http://www.ubuntu.com/employment#head-0d9f9070bb7c0217fde8142f9d5aed03f3e75554
[09:07] <poningru> wtf
[09:08] <Burgundavia> hmm
[09:08] <Burgundavia> interesting
[09:09] <Burgundavia> I don't think that is a replacement for mdz
[09:09] <Burgundavia> remember, mdz is CTO
[09:09] <poningru> hmm true
[09:09] <poningru> perhaps he will move toward more managerial, than hands on?
[09:10] <mdke_> yes, that sounds exactly right
[09:11] <poningru> can someone from the doc team ask mdz regarding the firefox issue?
[09:11] <Burgundavia> that might even be someone to work under mdz
[09:11] <mdke_> poningru: yes, we can do that
[09:12] <poningru> nn all /me goes off to sleep
[09:12] <Burgundavia> I need to sleep as well
[09:13] <Burgundavia> mdke_: I seriously doubt if Ubuntu will change the name
[09:13] <Burgundavia> however, we might have to ship the official logo
[09:13] <mdke_> Burgundavia: I agree that it would be odd
[09:13] <mdke_> I'm not going to worry about it
[09:14] <Burgundavia> well, the doc team pretty much dropped the ball with this release
[09:14] <Burgundavia> right after being praised by Mark so heavily
[09:15] <mdke_> we'll just have to make sure the next one is really good
[09:15] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:15] <Burgundavia> I love Mako last night: "Dapper wasn't dapper and Edgy isn't edgy"
[09:20] <mdke_> haha
[09:20] <mdke_> so, if I suggest changing the translation mechanism for the next release, please kill me
[09:40] <mdke_> last firefox changelog - "Change application name to `Firefox', as requested by mdz."
[09:41] <mdke> nixternal: around?
[09:41] <nixternal> ya
[09:41] <mdke> nixternal: got a moment to talk through some translation stuff?
[09:42] <nixternal> sure
[09:42] <mdke> ok. Things are a bit complicated
[09:42] <mdke> we made a small change to the toolchain, which has really mucked stuff up
[09:43] <nixternal> i kind of seen you laughing at yourself last night about it
[09:43] <mdke> fortunately, Danilo has written us a script which fixes the problem, but it needs to be included in the translate.sh script
[09:43] <mdke> brb, phone
[09:43] <nixternal> k
[09:45] <mdke> ok. So I've tested the script so far on about-ubuntu, and I think we should give it a bit more testing on more complicated docs
[09:46] <nixternal> i can grab some of the kubuntu or xubuntu translations, and try it out on a desktop guide
[09:46] <mdke> I've put it in teamstuff/replace-whatever-its-name-is.py
[09:46] <mdke> if you fancy trying it, that would be cool. Let's take it easy, no immediate rush, and we will get it right
[09:47] <nixternal> without a doubt
[09:47] <mdke> you can see its use in ubuntu/aboutubuntu/translate.sh, the key is that you need a line like that for each xml file 
[09:47] <mdke> I'll test it on the ubuntu desktopguide and you have a go with kubuntu desk, and we'll compare notes and see if stuff works
[09:47] <nixternal> ok..i just grabbed the recent svn updates you did...i will look that over
[09:48] <nixternal> ahh 'teamstuff/replace-doctype-with.py
[09:48] <nixternal> i see it
[09:55] <mdke> nixternal: I will try and do some more testing tomorrow, I need to do some other stuff too so I'll get back to you :) thanks a lot for helping
[09:55] <nixternal> no problem, have fun!
[09:55] <nixternal> ;)
[10:35] <nixternal> mdke: no hurry or nothing, but with the Edubuntu Handbook, would it be ok to add the handbook into the structure?  right now the current handbook doesn't build as it is rather unstructured, but I am working on that..
[10:35] <mdke> nixternal: which structure? into the repo?
[10:35] <nixternal> what i could do as it is worked on in their repo, move it into ours, and work on getting it to validate and build correctly..event ually
[10:35] <nixternal> oh you are here ;)
[10:35] <nixternal> well, their current structure isn't there..they are just building docbook files
[10:36] <nixternal> i am trying to set their svn up to mimic ours, so if it gets moved over, there will be minimal work on our part
[10:36] <nixternal> i recently provided a little structure on their svn server...getting their stuff to validate is giong to be a task right now since it is rather juvenile
[10:38] <LaserJock> nixternal: fine, I'm here :p
[10:38] <nixternal> hehe
[10:38] <mdke> do they want it to be in ours?
[10:38] <nixternal> eventually, yes
[10:39] <nixternal> I think it belongs in a more stable repo myself, as you never know what may happen with HedgeMages domain or what not
[10:39] <LaserJock> well
[10:40] <LaserJock> the Edubuntu doc people need to get with it and get there stuff in the doc team repo
[10:40] <LaserJock> this is making me tired and cranky
[10:41] <LaserJock> there's no reason the edubuntu/ dir should not be used
[10:41] <nixternal> sorry for dragging you in this LaserJock
[10:41] <LaserJock> hehe
[10:41] <LaserJock> np
[10:41] <LaserJock> it needs to be done
[10:41] <nixternal> but you are more Edubuntu then I am
[10:42] <nixternal> I just want to help them get everything situatied and rocking
[10:42] <LaserJock> unfortunately jerome and I have had lots going on
[10:42] <LaserJock> yes, please do
[10:42] <LaserJock> get it to were it can go into our repo
[10:42] <nixternal> that is why i have stepped up since i have a little more time available as well
[10:42] <nixternal> ok, i will continue doing what I am doing then
[10:42] <LaserJock> and then commit it
[10:42] <LaserJock> just put it in
[10:42] <nixternal> and when it is ready for our repo, then i will go forward as long as the ok is there from mdke
[10:42] <LaserJock> you can harm anything by putting docs into edubuntu/
[10:43] <LaserJock> *can't
[10:43] <nixternal> im sure i can harm something ;)
[10:45] <mdke> if they are keen to work with us, sounds good
[10:46] <mdke> we should be able to help with validation and building after it is in there
[10:46] <LaserJock> yeah, I'd rather them put stuff in the repo, even if it isn't complete
[10:46] <LaserJock> then more people can have a look
[10:47] <nixternal> so move into the ubuntu doc repo now and validate later then?
[10:48] <LaserJock> I would like that
[10:48] <nixternal> with that, then we will need to setup svn accounts for 1 or 2 of them
[10:48] <LaserJock> I've not even seen the docs
[10:48] <nixternal> LTSP is the only thing with some meat to it that I can see right now
[10:48] <LaserJock> well, we can start by manually updating or sending patches
[10:48] <nixternal> they are all still .xml.old as they haven't been converted from Cookbook to Handbook
[10:48] <LaserJock> I'd just like to see *something*
[10:48] <nixternal> I will run that across pygi and hedge then
[10:48] <nixternal> or you can if you can persuade them ;)
[10:51] <mdke> nixternal: we'll need to see some of their work before adding commit accounts
[10:51] <nixternal> hehe
[10:51] <nixternal> i can link you to their svn if you want to look
[10:52] <jjesse> hiya nixternal
[10:52] <nixternal> the .xml is all them so far...
[10:52] <nixternal> hiya jjesse, didn't even see you pop in
[10:52] <mdke> ok, but you say the xml is a bit dodgy?
[10:52] <jjesse> just did 
[10:52] <nixternal> right now it is
[10:52] <mdke> why aren't they writing it in a wiki?
[10:52] <nixternal> they started the cookbook on the wiki...and then they changed from the cookbook to the handbook..that is my understanding
[10:53] <nixternal> i have only recently jumped in over there since jerome and jordan are so busy
[10:53] <jjesse> is that edubuntu
[10:53] <nixternal> ya
[10:53] <LaserJock> they went from wiki to docbook before the wiki->docbook converter was working
[10:53] <nixternal> there you go ;)
[10:54] <mdke> oh well
[10:54] <nixternal> right now they have a bunch of .xml.old files which are xml, but from the cookbook that haven't been converted or worked on yet, and need to be done
[10:56] <nixternal> mdke: i have hacked their svn a little bit to start picking up structure, but you can see what i mean by content - handbook/C/ of course - http://svn.binaryredneck.net/handbook
[10:57] <nixternal> i think it will be easier if i just add the handbook to the edubuntu/ folder, and then hack the xml code to fit our structure
[10:58] <mdke> make sure they are all happy with that
[10:59] <LaserJock> do they seriously only have 23 revisions?
[11:00] <nixternal> hehe
[11:00] <nixternal> i don't think they have been working on it much
[11:00] <LaserJock> they must be working in larger chunks too
[11:00] <LaserJock> well, I wasn't trying to be mean or snotty
[11:00] <nixternal> i grabbed the repo 2 weeks ago, and did svn up last night, and didn't get one new revision
[11:00] <nixternal> well, if they read their rules, it says not to ;)
[11:00] <nixternal> hehe
[11:01] <LaserJock> I was just thinking if they aren't committing that often then sending a patch to me or you will be pretty easy
[11:01] <nixternal> very true
[11:01] <LaserJock> I was thinking if they were doing a commit or 2 each day it might be tough
[11:01] <nixternal> im glad you picked up on that
[11:01] <nixternal> that will only sell the fact they don't need commit access just yet
[11:01] <nixternal> plus, doing it that way, is the way i learned stuff around here as well
[11:02] <LaserJock> well, HedgeMage at least seems to know what she's doing
[11:02] <LaserJock> I doubt it'll be hard for them to become members
[11:02] <nixternal> well, she said she is just not learning docbook
[11:02] <nixternal> not/now
[11:03] <nixternal> but she has the svn and working what not down it seems
[11:03] <LaserJock> but they certainly aren't going to become members if they are working on that seperate repo
[11:03] <nixternal> she created the branch at least
[11:03] <nixternal> hehe, speaking of members ;)
[11:03] <nixternal> man..i have this spray thing in this room and it stinks..it doesn't smell good
[11:04] <nixternal> it sprays like every 45 minutes...it is starting to remind me of a skunk
[11:06] <jjesse> time to get anew one 
[11:06] <jjesse> wow a yankee (baseball) pitcher's plane crashed today into the 38th floor of an apartment building
[11:07] <nixternal> hehe
[11:07] <nixternal> wth?
[11:07] <jjesse> he's dead
[11:07] <nixternal> omg
[11:07] <nixternal> cory lidle
[11:07] <nixternal> g'nite mdke
[11:07] <nixternal> thanks for the pointers with the handbook!
[11:07] <jjesse> night mdke
[11:08] <nixternal> ok, so he wasn't in it as it seems
[11:08] <jjesse> hmm that's not what i just heard from a reporter in new york
[11:08] <LaserJock> weird
[11:09] <nixternal> ok..i am on fox news web page..they are slow there
[11:09] <nixternal> Yankees pitcher dies as plane hits NYC building
[11:09] <nixternal> that is msnbc.com
[11:09] <nixternal> that sucks..he is a damn good picture
[11:09] <nixternal> haha
[11:09] <nixternal> pitcher
[11:09] <nixternal> roflmfao
[11:09] <nixternal> F = fat ;)
[11:10] <nixternal> haha
[11:36] <jjesse> i've created a test bzr branch at http://doc.ubuntu.com/~jjesse/ubuntu-doc
[11:55] <nixternal> hehe
[11:55] <nixternal> you and bzr ;)
[11:55] <jjesse> i'm trying to learn
[11:55] <jjesse> i think i like ti better then svn 
[11:56] <nixternal> really?
[11:56] <nixternal> as of right now, i don't ;(
[11:56] <jjesse> just learning :)
[11:56] <nixternal> bzr commit, push, pull. branch
[11:56] <nixternal> i have a heck of a time getting it uploaded
[11:56] <jjesse> ok dinner time i'll be on later
[11:56] <nixternal> svn commit -m "woohoo" and it work
[11:56] <jjesse> bzr commit :)
[11:56] <nixternal> ya same here..gotta goto school
[11:56] <nixternal> but commit doesn't send it to the server
[11:56] <nixternal> bzr push sftp://url