[12:11] maybe after etch and edgy+1;) [12:11] heh [12:11] ajmitch, :P nothing :) [12:13] kristog: don't you just love the attention & the fame that comes from being a DD? [12:13] lol [12:13] what is a DD [12:13] desktop developer? [12:13] heh [12:13] donald duck? [12:13] hahah [12:13] daffy duck !?! === ctd_ [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:14] dapper drake developer ? [12:14] DDD [12:14] imbrandon, www.donald-duck.nu/donaldachtergrond.jpg [12:14] heh [12:15] http://www.imbrandon.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/drake.jpg [12:15] isn't DD that thing that wiped my amd64 build box this morning? :D [12:15] jdong, DD it's a virus? [12:16] DD? I thought it meant Deceived by Dunc-tank... === Toadstool ducks :) [12:16] Toadstool, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [12:16] Toadstool: run faster [12:17] Toadstool: go sit in the corner [12:17] uh :( [12:17] and put on the "D"unce cap [12:17] hah [12:17] Toadstool: no! that is MY corner! I sit in it and cry and whine and complain until my x264 starts being not 3 months old :D === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-071-187.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:18] now that every DD on this chan wants to kill me, I can go back to work ;) [12:18] lol [12:19] ajmitch, i tell you i got the cross-{compiler,packaging} 99% working ( well it works but if you need extra libs f it cant find them , i guess a path issue in the env ) [12:20] s/f// [12:20] good night :) [12:20] Toadstool, ahahah :) [12:20] gnight kristog [12:20] see you tomorrow === ctd__ [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:30] imbrandon: good to hear [12:30] imbrandon: so you may be able to build some basic packages? [12:30] ajmitch, yea i've built a few basic packages just as a test already === ShadowPaw [n=shadowpa@207-118-203-87.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:30] seems to work good [12:30] in that sense [12:31] ( and tested on a real ppc later just to make sure they "actualy" worked ) === ShadowPaw [n=shadowpa@207-118-203-87.dyn.centurytel.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:39] imbrandon: Cool. [12:39] dpkg-checkbuilddeps: warning: can't parse dependency libasound2-dev [] [12:40] anyone enlighten me on what that means? [12:40] edgy dosbox on dapper pbuilder [12:40] in amd64 [12:40] works in i386 [12:42] why is the arch list empty? [12:42] crimsun: I don't know... I didn't touch the source at all [12:44] crimsun: btw, are you motu-media? [12:45] am I a member? yes. [12:45] crimsun: would you be interested in doing the x264 sync + avidemux patch I requested? [12:45] I've been unable to catch slomo/nafallo for over a week now :( [12:46] bug #? [12:46] slomo has been away [12:46] jdong: slomo is on a week off, I'm also awaiting him :) [12:46] crimsun: bug 63842 [12:46] Malone bug 63842 in avidemux "UVF Exception Request: x264 to svn20060928 from marillat" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63842 [12:46] sivang / ajmitch: ah, that explains it :) === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:48] you've already gotten the two necessary approvals, so it just needs a sync approval note for x264 (u-a is already subscribed) [12:49] ah, ok === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:52] lifeless: seen bug 65201? [12:52] Malone bug 65201 in opensync "upgrade to release 0.19" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65201 [12:52] not a particularly useful bug, mind you [12:53] ajmitch: yes [12:53] ajmitch: and in debian too [12:53] while you are there please assign to me, as I'm doing it already === ajmitch notices that noone is set as bug contact for the package [12:53] ok === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lionelp [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sepheebear [n=sepheebe@ool-45778673.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sepheebear [n=sepheebe@ool-45778673.dyn.optonline.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === suppressingfire [n=burner@cpe-24-24-95-18.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === suppressingfire [n=burner@cpe-24-24-95-18.stny.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === jinty [n=jinty@205.Red-83-56-149.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === awbassett [n=andrew@206.135.97.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:42] hmm === crimsun scratches his head at the translations causing vlc to FTBFS === lionelp [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:52] crimsun: is there a build log to look at? [01:52] it fails on all four arches [01:53] just pick one: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/vlc/0.8.6-svn20060918.debian-1ubuntu4 [01:53] sk.po most certainly is /not/ empty === redguy [n=mati@adu128.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:54] err, I guess all five arches === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:57] crimsun: apparently somehow Ubuntu's translation strip tool got confused, I'm trying to see how === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:06] crimsun: do you know what does this line in the build log mean: "./.pc/001_1008snap.translations.diff/po/sk.po" [02:06] I really have no clue [02:06] immediately after the failure message [02:07] crimsun: also I have problem figuring out where this sk.po is from [02:07] I presumed that pointed to the part at fault, so I looked at the patch that I included. That's how I know that sk.po in that diff is /not/ empty. [02:07] oh, that file is from debian/patches/001_1008snap.translations.diff [02:07] crimsun: I'll look at that patch [02:08] if I remove the sk.po hunk from that patch, vlc will FTBFS anyway [02:09] i.e., it comes from debian/patches/001_1008snap.fixes.diff, which updates po/POTFILES.in) [02:10] I suppose if I really wanted to kludge it, I could strip that addition from debian/patches/001_1008snap.fixes.diff and then modify debian/patches/001_1008snap.translations.diff, but I'd rather the translations be updated [02:11] this is really an ugly way to add translations, but oh well [02:12] (especially considering the .diff.gz didn't constrict all changes in debian/ dir anyway) [02:14] well, I could just drop all the translation updates [02:14] (again, suboptimal) === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:23] I wonder if the ./.pc/ dir is something generated by quilt === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] I am afraid that's all I can think of without a local test build [02:28] and I don't want to build vlc here [02:29] I'll ask pitti/infinity tomorrow (later today) [02:29] thanks [02:29] what do you do if upstreams distributes a .bz2 file? [02:29] it does actually build successfully on ppc, i386, and amd64 [02:29] upstream* [02:30] chillywilly: ususally just bunzip the .bz2, and re-gzip to a .gz [02:30] ok [02:30] (unless ubuntu already supports .bz2 source packages now) === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:35] does ubuntu support .bz2 source packages? :) === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:58] sslwrap uses "addgroup" in its postinst, but "adduser" isn't listed in the "Depends". is "adduser" considered part of the base system, or should I add it as a Depend? === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] are there any guidelines for when you should split off a -doc package? [03:00] keescook: it's part of ubuntu-minimal and exists in a debootstrapped Edgy. [03:01] keescook: (to verify, you can ``apt-cache show ubuntu-minimal|grep ^Dep|grep adduser'') [03:01] crimsun: ah, I'm running in a buildd variant, so that's why. I will install ubuntu-minimal on them so they're sane for installs too. [03:02] I think you need to add Depends: adduser [03:03] minghua: I've been trying to find other examples (since currently this is an unmodified universe package) [03:04] keescook: one example I just checked is exim4-config, but in Debian only [03:05] I don't have an ubuntu system at hand [03:05] minghua: yeah, I've found other that cite the need too. [03:05] I remember you can only omit a dependency if it's Essential: yes [03:05] but can't find this in policy right now [03:06] it's somewhere in there ;-) [03:06] Should I file a bug in Debian then, too? === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:10] Hobbsee: what's your opinion on this... sslwrap uses 'addgroup' in its postinst, but lacks a Depends: for adduser. Since ubuntu-minimal contains adduser, this isn't an ubuntu problem, but it should be a bug for debian? [03:11] keescook: ubuntu-minimal isn't required to be installed either, iirc [03:11] so I'd file a bug [03:11] keescook, sounds right === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:11] ajmitch, we dont depends on ubuntu minimal to be installed ? [03:11] I didn't have -minimal installed for a long time [03:11] imbrandon: nobody forces anyone to have ubuntu-minimal installed [03:11] you can remove it safely, -desktop & -standard don't depend on it [03:11] heh okies, as ajmitch said then ;) === ctd [i=ctd@shell.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:12] jdong, right but -no- installation comes without it was my point, i know it can be removed [03:12] and -desktop doesn't contain adduser, so it's a bug for ubuntu too. :) [03:13] oh, I am sure adduser get dragged in by -desktop somehow [03:13] yes, adduser does get dragged into desktop === micahcowan [n=micahcow@69.36.252.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] crimsun: are you sure it's dragged in with debootstrap? [03:14] but still... I shouldn't be able to remove adduser and keep sslwrap [03:14] apt-cache --recurse depends ubuntu-desktop | grep adduser [03:14] my opinion, FWIW, is it is definitely a bug, and worth reporting to debian [03:14] certainly [03:14] minghua: okay, for sure, bug -> debian. I will fix it for edgy as well. [03:15] yay [03:15] crimsun: iirc I had to add -minimal when setting up a xen domain [03:15] ajmitch: I didn't get it with debootstrap (which is why I noticed: my build chroot is very tight) [03:15] ajmitch, seems so http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26225/ [03:15] everything is more exciting when it's a bug :D [03:15] I: Resolving dependencies of required packages... [03:15] I: Resolving dependencies of base packages... [03:15] I: Checking component main on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu... [03:15] I: Retrieving adduser [03:15] keescook: as it doesn't make any difference in ubuntu, I probably won't change it in ubuntu, but that's your call [03:15] I should say, deboostrap --variant=buildd doesn't include it. :) [03:16] right, adduser is dragged in there, but is ubuntu-minimal? [03:16] minghua: umm, it affects ubuntu, just in corner cases [03:16] i.e. those who try to remove adduser should not get to keep sslwrap [03:16] jdong: yeah, I see the buildd debootstrap argument now [03:16] so I don't see why that should be excluded from ubuntu [03:16] ajmitch: I don't believe so, though my point was that it would have to be added since it's only in a debootstrapped edgy [03:17] ah, so it'd be a backports booby trap :D [03:18] I think I'm going to just do the debian bug report, and leave the package as-is, since I'm just doing a build1 on it to get the new openssl lib. sound sane, or should I fix the adduser dep and make it an ubuntu1 version? [03:18] are there any guidelines for when you should split off a -doc package? [03:18] u-u-s queue cleared, hooray [03:18] yay \0/ [03:19] ajmitch: hi [03:19] hello chillywilly [03:19] crimsun: thanks for that, I've been slacking on sponsoring [03:19] !seen superm1 [03:20] I last saw superm1 (n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1) 3h 3m 3s ago, quiting: "Quitting, send all complaints > /dev/null" [03:20] bah, just missed him. [03:20] chillywilly: I remember hearing something like /usr/share/doc/ consisting 60% of your package size (assuming the package is arch:all), but probably no hard rules === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:22] hah. sslwrap is dead in debian anyway. *sob* [03:23] yay! [03:23] orphaned or removed from sid? [03:23] removed from sid. [03:23] hey ajmitch.. did you ever hip up that list? [03:23] whip* [03:24] lophyte: yes I did, and yes it doesn't matter anymore [03:24] it doesn't? [03:25] no, they're doign a mass-file of bugs instead [03:25] I see [03:26] so I should check bugs on LP to find work? [03:27] yes [03:28] okie dokie. === imbrandon cries at MOL [03:29] imbrandon: hm? [03:30] well there is a new upstream release ( first one in AGES ) that fixes OSX Tiger booting in MOL without a dirty hack from an obscure website [03:30] that would close the only bug in malone for MOL .... BUT [03:30] ( theres always a but huh ) [03:31] its a packageing mess, the new tarball dosent drop right in, new upstream thats a gentoo dev, and no debian maintiner anymore ( he seems to have passed a whole back in a car crash ) [03:31] oh dear :( [03:31] but its a semi popular package so i was trying to update it [03:31] heh [03:32] s/whole/while [03:33] that and it only compiles on a PPC , and only is intened to run on a PPC , thats not a big deal but the existing package says "any" so it reports FTBS on the buildd's [03:33] ( thats just minor though ) [03:34] s/reports FTBS/reports FTBS on any arch but PPC/ [03:34] what is the mol 0.9.71.dfsg-2 upload I see in Debian incoming then? it sure has a new maintainer [03:34] not sure if it's the recent version though [03:35] oh wow , its in incomming ? yea 9.71 is the new upstream [03:35] version [03:35] guess it just needs to be syncd ( after i test ) good catch [03:35] someone must have adopted it, as the original maintainer is not ummm alive anymore [03:36] good good good [03:36] yes, new maintainer is a team [03:36] cool [03:36] that makes your job a whole lot easier [03:37] IMHO it would do debian proper good to adopt the "ubuntu way" of maintainership , but that would probably take an act of god [03:39] well, quite a few teams already do that [03:39] I sure hope debian doesn't adopt that [03:39] imbrandon: the 'ubuntu way' being having a mess of packages & maybe half of them being overlooked before release? [03:39] the NMU procedure is fine as it is [03:40] ajmitch, true [03:40] I'm glad that debian has specific maintainers [03:40] but more teams would be nice, kinda hybrid ( same for ubuntu also , more specialized teams then MAIN / MOTU ) [03:41] in that sense [03:41] but we kinda already do, hell i'm just rambling [03:41] imbrandon: yes, teams are good, but the "everybody can touch the package even he doesn't know much about it" policy is not [03:41] sure, some convergence of beahviour does happen === imbrandon test builds the new mol === minghua has made such mistakes himself [03:44] ok building now, crimsun you said we can sync from incomming correct ? ( assuming the build works out ok and dosent need any ubuntu changes ) [03:45] note that ubuntu doesn't tend to work on the 'everyone touches it' principle at times - many packages are the domain of 1 or a few people [03:46] imbrandon: best to wait til enters the pool, really [03:46] Summer soon [03:46] I can't wait to enter the pool :) [03:47] 'soon', yet we've just been having snow in Dunedin lately [03:47] right , only that they CAN , not that they would , i'm sure if i tried to upload a kernel patch without talking to the right people and knowing EXACTLY what i was doing i would cactch hell and be lucky to keep my membership let alone upload rights heh [03:47] well, you'd catch the bad end of a fabbione stick probably [03:48] but thats one thing to know about anything ( ubuntu or not ) , know when you dont know ( and know where to find the awnsers ) === mwolson [n=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:48] crimsun, haha yea [03:50] crimsun: that would be worrying [03:52] imbrandon: a benc stick probably [03:52] probably a whole bunch of sticks ;) [03:53] ajmitch: true. improperly touched packages are rare. unfortunately that still happens [03:54] nice kde 3.5.5 giving the buildd's a workout [03:59] re [04:07] wb LaserJock [04:07] LaserJock, are you at one of your ppc's ? [04:07] or at home [04:08] I don't have a ppc [04:08] only macs ;-) [04:09] and no, I'm at home now [04:09] kk [04:09] finally in Ubuntu again after a day of OS X [04:09] only macs ? you mean intel ? heh [04:10] ppc's are mac's too ;) [04:10] yeah [04:10] phhh [04:10] LaserJock, hehe welcome back to sanity ;) [04:11] I sure wish I could use Ubuntu practically at work [04:11] I could dual boot, but I don't think my boss would like it if he found out [04:20] keescook: did you add adduser to sslwrap Depends? === ajmitch presumes not, with a build1 suffix [04:25] anybody know of a good jabber client besides gaim? === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:26] gabber? [04:27] LaserJock: psi? [04:27] ok, another silly user question, is it possible to make it so you can drag the top panel around? [04:27] in gnome [04:28] s/can/can't/ [04:30] you can drag it to 1 of the 4 edges of the desktop if you grab it on an empty spot [04:31] I want to lock it [04:33] < LaserJock> anybody know of a good jabber client besides gaim? <-- gajim? :) [04:33] LaserJock: gajim [04:33] or gossip [04:34] you actually typed 'can' though [04:35] chillywilly: but then I typed s/can/can't/ ;-) [04:35] gajim? [04:35] I don't see any options for locking it [04:36] I didn't see anything obvious [04:36] maybe something in gconf === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:40] LaserJock, kopete ;) === BHSPitMonkey [n=stephen@adsl-66-141-169-210.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:43] imbrandon: well, I certainly use that when I'm in KDE [04:43] ;) === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:43] but gaim seems to be doing funny things [04:44] LaserJock, ever tried bitlbee ? i like it, i use it alot [04:44] its an irc to IM gateway thing === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:44] that just sounds scarry [04:45] heh all your contacts show up in a #bitlbee room and you talk to each one by saying their nick like " LaserJock: blah " [04:45] as they sign on they join the room etc ( but works like IM where they only see what you type to them etc ) [04:46] and not other contacts [04:47] That could end up being /really/ bad. [04:49] Fujitsu, heh how is that ? [04:49] If you have to say there name, it'd be trivial to make a mistake. [04:49] *their [04:49] nah there is a error bot that lets you know if you dont say a name first [04:50] you get used to it real fast [04:50] imagine you want to say something to someone but mistakenly tell the thing to the wrong person :) [04:50] Toadstool, exactly. In certain conversations, that could be horrrrrrrifically bad. [04:51] yay! :) [04:51] heh not any harder than in an IM with the wrong window === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ppp-70-246-19-246.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:58] hum whats the proper meta package to build-dep on for kernel headers, linux-kernel-headers ? [04:59] dave chapelle is one funny dude [04:59] err i guess linux-libc-dev [04:59] imbrandon: no, that was deprecated by linux-libc-dev (for glibc); you'll want to ping benc about which to use (linux-headers-generic or whatnot) [05:00] note that with the "private" option set in bitlbee (which is what i do), each buddy conversation has its own window, much like a normal chat client [05:00] imbrandon: Have a look at something like LRM, or vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.17-10 [05:00] That may give you an idea. [05:01] reminds me that I need to pester the xen guru again [05:01] hmm, was synaptic reniced or something [05:01] the main downsides of using bitlbee for chat are (1) being unable to set user info about yourself and (2) being unable to join jabber chat rooms [05:02] if upstream just uses a Makefile and no autotools one has to make sure it installs into $DESTDIR? [05:02] mwolson: You are aware you can join/create MSN chats? [05:02] TheMuso: yes, which is i qualified the above with "jabber" [05:02] hmm, this thing looks like it uses $ROOTDIR... [05:02] s/is/is why/ [05:03] Right. === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@ubuntu/member/toadstool] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:24] Hobbsee! [05:24] ...is in the hizzouse! [05:25] LaserJock! [05:27] hehe, bug 65236 [05:27] Malone bug 65236 in stellarium "Stellarium can be upgraded in Dapper" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65236 [05:30] Hobbsee!! [05:30] ajmitch!!!! [05:30] LaserJock: heh. [05:32] I guess people sometimes don't get the idea of having a "release" [05:34] LaserJock: indeed. i just rejected it for you [05:35] did you do it nicely? [05:36] yeah [05:36] well, yeah [05:36] ish [05:36] nice for Hobbsee, that is [05:36] i pointed to the relevant section of documentation, and gave a link supporting it [05:37] yeah, well. i'm incredibly not nice, so.. [05:38] and crazy [05:43] Hobbsee is quite nice when without her pointy stick :-) [05:44] minghua: are you sure? i've aslo been defined as a bitchy psychopath. === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua looks up psychopath in dictionary... [05:47] thats nothing [05:47] you want the DSM4 [05:50] or to watch the movie "The Corporation" [05:55] minghua: crazy person, usually [05:55] or insane one [05:56] Hobbsee: yeah I got that in the dictionary, but thanks anyway [05:56] :) [05:56] see, Hobbsee IS nice [05:57] hehe [05:57] minghua: well, i didnt axe murder ajmitch when he was over here, so i must be a little nice... [05:58] the subsequent therapy helped me a lot [06:03] hehe [06:05] :D [06:06] hi Hobbsee [06:06] hey Toadstool === LaserJock whips out the DSM IV [06:08] surely Hobbsee is somewhere in here [06:08] LaserJock: yeah....and? === Hobbsee wonders what the DSM IV is [06:09] the mental health diagnostic manual [06:09] my wife is a counselor === ajmitch wonders why LaserJock is so familar with that book.. [06:09] aha, a likely excuse.. [06:10] ajmitch: I'm a genuis that's why. I know *everything* [06:10] ah [06:11] you should see our library [06:11] she's got the social sciences covered pretty well [06:12] Hey LaserJock. [06:12] I've got the natural and physical sciences [06:12] and between the both of us we've got quite a bit of the humanities [06:12] hi Fujitsu [06:12] and together you will rule the world, etc.. [06:13] ajmitch, wrong tense there. [06:13] our computer room has 3 book shelves [06:13] well, between the2 of us we've been at uni for 15 years :-) [06:13] you tend to collect some books in that amount of time [06:14] I would presume so, [06:15] and both of our undergraduate degrees were pretty general [06:15] anyway [06:15] the DSM IV is *the* mental health diagnostic manual, at least in the US [06:16] don't read it, you might find out that you are totally insane :p [06:16] nah, you learn just how normal you are [06:16] :-) [06:16] heh [06:19] Hobbsee: you could have also mentioned dapper-backports to that stellarium bug reporter === MighMoS [n=adam@user-52-214.resnet.uncg.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:19] LaserJock: good point. [06:19] Toadstool: hehe, i knew that anyway. [06:20] :) === MighMoS [n=adam@user-52-214.resnet.uncg.edu] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === jdong sends stellarium through his pbuilder before heading back to bed [06:20] grr that's a big orig.tar.gz [06:21] mostly data I think [06:21] I think Hobbsee is just bluffing [06:21] she's really like a cuddly little kitten [06:21] an just wants a pony ;-) [06:22] hehe [06:22] configure: error: freetype library not found [06:22] ./configure: line 12356: exit: please: numeric argument required [06:22] LaserJock: of course she is :) [06:22] missing build-dep? [06:23] anyone here a master with "hostap" wifi cards? [06:25] grr, my connection has been really weird the last week [06:25] it like stutters [06:25] LaserJock: I need libfreetype6-dev in build-deps for it to build in my dapper pbuilder [06:25] for stellarium [06:25] da, da, da, da you here, here, here, here LaserJock? [06:27] well, I'm connecting to my work computer to do irssi [06:27] and like every 30s to 1min. it lags for a few seconds [06:28] ahh [06:28] stellarium builds fine otherwise [06:28] so, any MOTU's willing to add a build-dep to stellarium? [06:28] hmm [06:29] does it have the same problem in edgy? [06:29] I suspect on edgy one of the other b-d's automagically pulls it in [06:29] as it builds in edgy [06:29] though I can't see how it'd /hurt/ to add in the build-dep anyway [06:31] /hurd/ ?! Barry, get out of jdong's body! === Toadstool hides [06:32] jdong: you on dapper now? [06:32] LaserJock: I got it handy in a vmware [06:33] jdong: I was wondering what this gives: apt-cache rdepends libfreetype6-dev | wc -l [06:34] LaserJock: 48 [06:34] k [06:35] it's 43 in edgy [06:36] I was just curious [06:38] so, how do you want to handle stellarium, LaserJock... [06:38] the backported package works fine in Dapper [06:38] at least to the degree that I know how to freakin use stellarium [06:38] heh [06:38] that is one of my most amusing incompetencies :) [06:38] not knowing how to test if a backported package works or not [06:39] boy do we have some strange packages in universe :) [06:39]