[12:11] <imbrandon> maybe after etch and edgy+1;)
[12:11] <imbrandon> heh
[12:11] <kristog> ajmitch, :P nothing :)
[12:13] <ajmitch> kristog: don't you just love the attention & the fame that comes from being a DD?
[12:13] <imbrandon> lol
[12:13] <kristog> what is a DD
[12:13] <kristog> desktop developer?
[12:13] <ajmitch> heh
[12:13] <kristog> donald duck?
[12:13] <imbrandon> hahah
[12:13] <imbrandon> daffy duck !?!
[12:14] <imbrandon> dapper drake developer ?
[12:14] <imbrandon> DDD
[12:14] <kristog> imbrandon,  www.donald-duck.nu/donaldachtergrond.jpg
[12:14] <imbrandon> heh
[12:15] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/drake.jpg
[12:15] <jdong> isn't DD that thing that wiped my amd64 build box this morning? :D
[12:15] <kristog> jdong, DD it's a virus?
[12:16] <Toadstool> DD? I thought it meant Deceived by Dunc-tank...
[12:16] <kristog> Toadstool,  ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[12:16] <LaserJock> Toadstool: run faster
[12:17] <ajmitch> Toadstool: go sit in the corner
[12:17] <Toadstool> uh :(
[12:17] <imbrandon> and put on the "D"unce cap
[12:17] <Toadstool> hah
[12:17] <jdong> Toadstool: no! that is MY corner! I sit in it and cry and whine and complain until my x264 starts being not 3 months old :D
[12:18] <Toadstool> now that every DD on this chan wants to kill me, I can go back to work ;)
[12:18] <imbrandon> lol
[12:19] <imbrandon> ajmitch, i tell you i got the cross-{compiler,packaging} 99% working ( well it works but if you need extra libs f it cant find them , i guess a path issue in the env )
[12:20] <imbrandon> s/f//
[12:20] <kristog> good night :)
[12:20] <kristog> Toadstool, ahahah :)
[12:20] <imbrandon> gnight kristog
[12:20] <kristog> see you tomorrow
[12:30] <ajmitch> imbrandon: good to hear
[12:30] <ajmitch> imbrandon: so you may be able to build some basic packages?
[12:30] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea i've built a few basic packages just as a test already
[12:30] <imbrandon> seems to work good
[12:30] <imbrandon> in that sense
[12:31] <imbrandon> ( and tested on a real ppc later just to make sure they "actualy" worked )
[12:39] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Cool.
[12:39] <jdong> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: warning: can't parse dependency libasound2-dev [] 
[12:40] <jdong> anyone enlighten me on what that means?
[12:40] <jdong> edgy dosbox on dapper pbuilder
[12:40] <jdong> in amd64
[12:40] <jdong> works in i386
[12:42] <crimsun> why is the arch list empty?
[12:42] <jdong> crimsun: I don't know... I didn't touch the source at all
[12:44] <jdong> crimsun: btw, are you motu-media?
[12:45] <crimsun> am I a member? yes.
[12:45] <jdong> crimsun: would you be interested in doing the x264 sync + avidemux patch I requested?
[12:45] <jdong> I've been unable to catch slomo/nafallo for over a week now :(
[12:46] <crimsun> bug #?
[12:46] <ajmitch> slomo has been away
[12:46] <sivang> jdong: slomo is on a week off, I'm also awaiting him :)
[12:46] <jdong> crimsun: bug 63842
[12:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63842 in avidemux "UVF Exception Request: x264 to svn20060928 from marillat" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63842
[12:46] <jdong> sivang / ajmitch: ah, that explains it :)
[12:48] <crimsun> you've already gotten the two necessary approvals, so it just needs a sync approval note for x264 (u-a is already subscribed)
[12:49] <jdong> ah, ok
[12:52] <ajmitch> lifeless: seen bug 65201?
[12:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65201 in opensync "upgrade to release 0.19" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65201
[12:52] <ajmitch> not a particularly useful bug, mind you
[12:53] <lifeless> ajmitch: yes
[12:53] <lifeless> ajmitch: and in debian too
[12:53] <lifeless> while you are there please assign to me, as I'm doing it already
[12:53] <ajmitch> ok
[01:42] <crimsun> hmm
[01:52] <minghua> crimsun: is there a build log to look at?
[01:52] <crimsun> it fails on all four arches
[01:53] <crimsun> just pick one: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/vlc/0.8.6-svn20060918.debian-1ubuntu4
[01:53] <crimsun> sk.po most certainly is /not/ empty
[01:54] <crimsun> err, I guess all five arches
[01:57] <minghua> crimsun: apparently somehow Ubuntu's translation strip tool got confused, I'm trying to see how
[02:06] <minghua> crimsun: do you know what does this line in the build log mean: "./.pc/001_1008snap.translations.diff/po/sk.po"
[02:06] <crimsun> I really have no clue
[02:06] <minghua> immediately after the failure message
[02:07] <minghua> crimsun: also I have problem figuring out where this sk.po is from
[02:07] <crimsun> I presumed that pointed to the part at fault, so I looked at the patch that I included. That's how I know that sk.po in that diff is /not/ empty.
[02:07] <crimsun> oh, that file is from debian/patches/001_1008snap.translations.diff
[02:07] <minghua> crimsun: I'll look at that patch
[02:08] <crimsun> if I remove the sk.po hunk from that patch, vlc will FTBFS anyway
[02:09] <crimsun> i.e., it comes from debian/patches/001_1008snap.fixes.diff, which updates po/POTFILES.in)
[02:10] <crimsun> I suppose if I really wanted to kludge it, I could strip that addition from debian/patches/001_1008snap.fixes.diff and then modify debian/patches/001_1008snap.translations.diff, but I'd rather the translations be updated
[02:11] <minghua> this is really an ugly way to add translations, but oh well
[02:12] <minghua> (especially considering the .diff.gz didn't constrict all changes in debian/ dir anyway)
[02:14] <crimsun> well, I could just drop all the translation updates
[02:14] <crimsun> (again, suboptimal)
[02:23] <minghua> I wonder if the ./.pc/ dir is something generated by quilt
[02:28] <minghua> I am afraid that's all I can think of without a local test build
[02:28] <minghua> and I don't want to build vlc here
[02:29] <crimsun> I'll ask pitti/infinity tomorrow (later today)
[02:29] <crimsun> thanks
[02:29] <chillywilly> what do you do if upstreams distributes a .bz2 file?
[02:29] <crimsun> it does actually build successfully on ppc, i386, and amd64
[02:29] <chillywilly> upstream*
[02:30] <minghua> chillywilly: ususally just bunzip the .bz2, and re-gzip to a .gz
[02:30] <chillywilly> ok
[02:30] <minghua> (unless ubuntu already supports .bz2 source packages now)
[02:35] <chillywilly> does ubuntu support .bz2 source packages? :)
[02:58] <keescook> sslwrap uses "addgroup" in its postinst, but "adduser" isn't listed in the "Depends".  is "adduser" considered part of the base system, or should I add it as a Depend?
[03:00] <chillywilly> are there any guidelines for when you should split off a -doc package?
[03:00] <crimsun> keescook: it's part of ubuntu-minimal and exists in a debootstrapped Edgy.
[03:01] <crimsun> keescook: (to verify, you can ``apt-cache show ubuntu-minimal|grep ^Dep|grep adduser'')
[03:01] <keescook> crimsun: ah, I'm running in a buildd variant, so that's why.  I will install ubuntu-minimal on them so they're sane for installs too.
[03:02] <minghua> I think you need to add Depends: adduser
[03:03] <keescook> minghua: I've been trying to find other examples (since currently this is an unmodified universe package)
[03:04] <minghua> keescook: one example I just checked is exim4-config, but in Debian only
[03:05] <minghua> I don't have an ubuntu system at hand
[03:05] <keescook> minghua: yeah, I've found other that cite the need too.
[03:05] <minghua> I remember you can only omit a dependency if it's Essential: yes
[03:05] <minghua> but can't find this in policy right now
[03:06] <LaserJock> it's somewhere in there ;-)
[03:06] <keescook> Should I file a bug in Debian then, too?
[03:10] <keescook> Hobbsee: what's your opinion on this... sslwrap uses 'addgroup' in its postinst, but lacks a Depends: for adduser.  Since ubuntu-minimal contains adduser, this isn't an ubuntu problem, but it should be a bug for debian?
[03:11] <ajmitch> keescook: ubuntu-minimal isn't required to be installed either, iirc
[03:11] <ajmitch> so I'd file a bug
[03:11] <imbrandon> keescook, sounds right
[03:11] <imbrandon> ajmitch, we dont depends on ubuntu minimal to be installed ?
[03:11] <ajmitch> I didn't have -minimal installed for a long time
[03:11] <jdong> imbrandon: nobody forces anyone to have ubuntu-minimal installed
[03:11] <ajmitch> you can remove it safely, -desktop & -standard don't depend on it
[03:11] <imbrandon> heh okies, as ajmitch said then ;)
[03:12] <imbrandon> jdong, right but -no- installation comes without it was my point, i know it can be removed
[03:12] <keescook> and -desktop doesn't contain adduser, so it's a bug for ubuntu too.  :)
[03:13] <minghua> oh, I am sure adduser get dragged in by -desktop somehow
[03:13] <jdong> yes, adduser does get dragged into desktop
[03:13] <ajmitch> crimsun: are you sure it's dragged in with debootstrap?
[03:14] <jdong> but still... I shouldn't be able to remove adduser and keep sslwrap
[03:14] <keescook> apt-cache --recurse depends ubuntu-desktop | grep adduser
[03:14] <minghua> my opinion, FWIW, is it is definitely a bug, and worth reporting to debian
[03:14] <ajmitch> certainly
[03:14] <keescook> minghua: okay, for sure, bug -> debian.  I will fix it for edgy as well.
[03:15] <jdong> yay
[03:15] <ajmitch> crimsun: iirc I had to add -minimal when setting up a xen domain
[03:15] <keescook> ajmitch: I didn't get it with debootstrap (which is why I noticed: my build chroot is very tight)
[03:15] <imbrandon> ajmitch, seems so http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26225/
[03:15] <jdong> everything is more exciting when it's a bug :D
[03:15] <crimsun> I: Resolving dependencies of required packages...
[03:15] <crimsun> I: Resolving dependencies of base packages...
[03:15] <crimsun> I: Checking component main on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu...
[03:15] <crimsun> I: Retrieving adduser
[03:15] <minghua> keescook: as it doesn't make any difference in ubuntu, I probably won't change it in ubuntu, but that's your call
[03:15] <keescook> I should say, deboostrap --variant=buildd doesn't include it.  :)
[03:16] <ajmitch> right, adduser is dragged in there, but is ubuntu-minimal?
[03:16] <jdong> minghua: umm, it affects ubuntu, just in corner cases
[03:16] <jdong> i.e. those who try to remove adduser should not get to keep sslwrap
[03:16] <minghua> jdong: yeah, I see the buildd debootstrap argument now
[03:16] <jdong> so I don't see why that should be excluded from ubuntu
[03:16] <crimsun> ajmitch: I don't believe so, though my point was that it would have to be added since it's only in a debootstrapped edgy
[03:17] <jdong> ah, so it'd be a backports booby trap :D
[03:18] <keescook> I think I'm going to just do the debian bug report, and leave the package as-is, since I'm just doing a build1 on it to get the new openssl lib.  sound sane, or should I fix the adduser dep and make it an ubuntu1 version?
[03:18] <chillywilly> are there any guidelines for when you should split off a -doc package?
[03:18] <crimsun> u-u-s queue cleared, hooray
[03:18] <imbrandon> yay \0/
[03:19] <chillywilly> ajmitch: hi
[03:19] <ajmitch> hello chillywilly
[03:19] <ajmitch> crimsun: thanks for that, I've been slacking on sponsoring
[03:19] <lophyte> !seen superm1
[03:20] <ubotu> I last saw superm1 (n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1) 3h 3m 3s ago, quiting: "Quitting, send all complaints > /dev/null"
[03:20] <lophyte> bah, just missed him.
[03:20] <minghua> chillywilly: I remember hearing something like /usr/share/doc/ consisting 60% of your package size (assuming the package is arch:all), but probably no hard rules
[03:22] <keescook> hah.  sslwrap is dead in debian anyway.  *sob*
[03:23] <ajmitch> yay!
[03:23] <ajmitch> orphaned or removed from sid?
[03:23] <keescook> removed from sid.
[03:23] <lophyte> hey ajmitch.. did you ever hip up that list?
[03:23] <lophyte> whip*
[03:24] <ajmitch> lophyte: yes I did, and yes it doesn't matter anymore
[03:24] <lophyte> it doesn't?
[03:25] <ajmitch> no, they're doign a mass-file of bugs instead
[03:25] <lophyte> I see
[03:26] <lophyte> so I should check bugs on LP to find work?
[03:27] <ajmitch> yes
[03:28] <lophyte> okie dokie.
[03:29] <ajmitch> imbrandon: hm?
[03:30] <imbrandon> well there is a new upstream release ( first one in AGES ) that fixes OSX Tiger booting in MOL without a dirty hack from an obscure website
[03:30] <imbrandon> that would close the only bug in malone for MOL .... BUT
[03:30] <imbrandon> ( theres always a but huh )
[03:31] <imbrandon> its a packageing mess, the new tarball dosent drop right in, new upstream thats a gentoo dev, and no debian maintiner anymore ( he seems to have passed a whole back in a car crash )
[03:31] <ajmitch> oh dear :(
[03:31] <imbrandon> but its a semi popular package so i was trying to update it
[03:31] <imbrandon> heh
[03:32] <imbrandon> s/whole/while
[03:33] <imbrandon> that and it only compiles on a PPC , and only is intened to run on a PPC , thats not a big deal but the existing package says "any" so it reports FTBS on the buildd's
[03:33] <imbrandon> ( thats just minor though )
[03:34] <imbrandon> s/reports FTBS/reports FTBS on any arch but PPC/
[03:34] <minghua> what is the mol 0.9.71.dfsg-2 upload I see in Debian incoming then?  it sure has a new maintainer
[03:34] <minghua> not sure if it's the recent version though
[03:35] <imbrandon> oh wow , its in incomming ? yea 9.71 is the new upstream
[03:35] <imbrandon> version
[03:35] <imbrandon> guess it just needs to be syncd ( after i test ) good catch
[03:35] <imbrandon> someone must have adopted it, as the original maintainer is not ummm alive anymore
[03:36] <imbrandon> good good good
[03:36] <minghua> yes, new maintainer is a team
[03:36] <imbrandon> cool
[03:36] <ajmitch> that makes your job a whole lot easier
[03:37] <imbrandon> IMHO it would do debian proper good to adopt the "ubuntu way" of maintainership , but that would probably take an act of god
[03:39] <crimsun> well, quite a few teams already do that
[03:39] <minghua> I sure hope debian doesn't adopt that
[03:39] <ajmitch> imbrandon: the 'ubuntu way' being having a mess of packages & maybe half of them being overlooked before release?
[03:39] <minghua> the NMU procedure is fine as it is
[03:40] <imbrandon> ajmitch, true
[03:40] <ajmitch> I'm glad that debian has specific maintainers
[03:40] <imbrandon> but more teams would be nice, kinda hybrid ( same for ubuntu also , more specialized teams then MAIN / MOTU )
[03:41] <imbrandon> in that sense
[03:41] <imbrandon> but we kinda already do, hell i'm just rambling
[03:41] <minghua> imbrandon: yes, teams are good, but the "everybody can touch the package even he doesn't know much about it" policy is not
[03:41] <ajmitch> sure, some convergence of beahviour does happen
[03:44] <imbrandon> ok building now, crimsun you said we can sync from incomming correct ? ( assuming the build works out ok and dosent need any ubuntu changes )
[03:45] <ajmitch> note that ubuntu doesn't tend to work on the 'everyone touches it' principle at times - many packages are the domain of 1 or a few people
[03:46] <crimsun> imbrandon: best to wait til enters the pool, really
[03:46] <Plug> Summer soon
[03:46] <Plug> I can't wait to enter the pool :)
[03:47] <ajmitch> 'soon', yet we've just been having snow in Dunedin lately
[03:47] <imbrandon> right , only that they CAN , not that they would , i'm sure if i tried to upload a kernel patch without talking to the right people and knowing EXACTLY what i was doing i would cactch hell and be lucky to keep my membership let alone upload rights heh
[03:47] <crimsun> well, you'd catch the bad end of a fabbione stick probably
[03:48] <imbrandon> but thats one thing to know about anything ( ubuntu or not ) , know when you dont know ( and know where to find the awnsers )
[03:48] <imbrandon> crimsun, haha yea
[03:50] <ajmitch> crimsun: that would be worrying
[03:52] <lifeless> imbrandon: a benc stick probably
[03:52] <imbrandon> probably a whole bunch of sticks ;)
[03:53] <minghua> ajmitch: true.  improperly touched packages are rare.  unfortunately that still happens
[03:54] <imbrandon> nice kde 3.5.5 giving the buildd's a workout
[03:59] <Toadstool> re
[04:07] <imbrandon> wb LaserJock
[04:07] <imbrandon> LaserJock, are you at one of your ppc's ?
[04:07] <imbrandon> or at home
[04:08] <LaserJock> I don't have a ppc
[04:08] <LaserJock> only macs ;-)
[04:09] <LaserJock> and no, I'm at home  now
[04:09] <imbrandon> kk
[04:09] <LaserJock> finally in Ubuntu again after a day of OS X
[04:09] <imbrandon> only macs ? you mean intel ? heh
[04:10] <imbrandon> ppc's are mac's too ;)
[04:10] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:10] <LaserJock> phhh
[04:10] <imbrandon> LaserJock, hehe welcome back to sanity ;)
[04:11] <LaserJock> I sure wish I could use Ubuntu practically at work
[04:11] <LaserJock> I could dual boot, but I don't think my boss would like it if he found out
[04:20] <ajmitch> keescook: did you add adduser to sslwrap Depends?
[04:25] <LaserJock> anybody know of a good jabber client besides gaim?
[04:26] <chillywilly> gabber?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: psi?
[04:27] <LaserJock> ok, another silly user question, is it possible to make it so you can drag the top panel around?
[04:27] <LaserJock> in gnome
[04:28] <LaserJock> s/can/can't/
[04:30] <chillywilly> you can drag it to 1 of the 4 edges of the desktop if you grab it on an empty spot
[04:31] <LaserJock> I want to lock it
[04:33] <Toadstool> < LaserJock> anybody know of a good jabber client besides gaim? <-- gajim? :)
[04:33] <Plug> LaserJock: gajim
[04:33] <Plug> or gossip
[04:34] <chillywilly> you actually typed 'can' though
[04:35] <LaserJock> chillywilly: but then I typed s/can/can't/ ;-)
[04:35] <LaserJock> gajim?
[04:35] <chillywilly> I don't see any options for locking it
[04:36] <LaserJock> I didn't see anything obvious
[04:36] <LaserJock> maybe something in gconf
[04:40] <imbrandon> LaserJock, kopete ;)
[04:43] <LaserJock> imbrandon: well, I certainly use that when I'm in KDE
[04:43] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:43] <LaserJock> but gaim seems to be doing funny things
[04:44] <imbrandon> LaserJock, ever tried bitlbee ? i like it, i use it alot
[04:44] <imbrandon> its an irc to IM gateway thing
[04:44] <LaserJock> that just sounds scarry
[04:45] <imbrandon> heh all your contacts show up in a #bitlbee room and you talk to each one by saying their nick like " LaserJock: blah "
[04:45] <imbrandon> as they sign on they join the room etc ( but works like IM where they only see what you type to them etc )
[04:46] <imbrandon> and not other contacts
[04:47] <Fujitsu> That could end up being /really/ bad.
[04:49] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, heh how is that ?
[04:49] <Fujitsu> If you have to say there name, it'd be trivial to make a mistake.
[04:49] <Fujitsu> *their
[04:49] <imbrandon> nah there is a error bot that lets you know if you dont say a name first
[04:50] <imbrandon> you get used to it real fast
[04:50] <Toadstool> imagine you want to say something to someone but mistakenly tell the thing to the wrong person :)
[04:50] <Fujitsu> Toadstool, exactly. In certain conversations, that could be horrrrrrrifically bad.
[04:51] <Toadstool> yay! :)
[04:51] <imbrandon> heh not any harder than in an IM with the wrong window
[04:58] <imbrandon> hum whats the proper meta package to build-dep on for kernel headers, linux-kernel-headers ?
[04:59] <chillywilly> dave chapelle is one funny dude
[04:59] <imbrandon> err i guess linux-libc-dev
[04:59] <crimsun> imbrandon: no, that was deprecated by linux-libc-dev (for glibc); you'll want to ping benc about which to use (linux-headers-generic or whatnot)
[05:00] <mwolson> note that with the "private" option set in bitlbee (which is what i do), each buddy conversation has its own window, much like a normal chat client
[05:00] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Have a look at something like LRM, or vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.17-10
[05:00] <TheMuso> That may give you an idea.
[05:01] <ajmitch> reminds me that I need to pester the xen guru again
[05:01] <LaserJock> hmm, was synaptic reniced or something
[05:01] <mwolson> the main downsides of using bitlbee for chat are (1) being unable to set user info about yourself and (2) being unable to join jabber chat rooms
[05:02] <chillywilly> if upstream just uses a Makefile and no autotools one has to make sure it installs into $DESTDIR?
[05:02] <TheMuso> mwolson: You are aware you can join/create MSN chats?
[05:02] <mwolson> TheMuso: yes, which is i qualified the above with "jabber"
[05:02] <chillywilly> hmm, this thing looks like it uses $ROOTDIR...
[05:02] <mwolson> s/is/is why/
[05:03] <TheMuso> Right.
[05:24] <LaserJock> Hobbsee!
[05:24] <micahcowan> ...is in the hizzouse!
[05:25] <Hobbsee> LaserJock!
[05:27] <LaserJock> hehe, bug 65236
[05:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65236 in stellarium "Stellarium can be upgraded in Dapper" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65236
[05:30] <ajmitch> Hobbsee!!
[05:30] <Hobbsee> ajmitch!!!!
[05:30] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: heh.
[05:32] <LaserJock> I guess people sometimes don't get the idea of having a "release"
[05:34] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: indeed.  i just rejected it for you
[05:35] <LaserJock> did you do it nicely?
[05:36] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:36] <Hobbsee> well, yeah
[05:36] <Hobbsee> ish
[05:36] <ajmitch> nice for Hobbsee, that is
[05:36] <Hobbsee> i pointed to the relevant section of documentation, and gave a link supporting it
[05:37] <Hobbsee> yeah, well.  i'm incredibly not nice, so..
[05:38] <Hobbsee> and crazy
[05:43] <minghua> Hobbsee is quite nice when without her pointy stick :-)
[05:44] <Hobbsee> minghua: are you sure?  i've aslo been defined as a bitchy psychopath.
[05:47] <Plug> thats nothing
[05:47] <Plug> you want the DSM4
[05:50] <Plug> or to watch the movie "The Corporation"
[05:55] <Hobbsee> minghua: crazy person, usually
[05:55] <Hobbsee> or insane one
[05:56] <minghua> Hobbsee: yeah I got that in the dictionary, but thanks anyway
[05:56] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:56] <minghua> see, Hobbsee IS nice
[05:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:57] <Hobbsee> minghua: well, i didnt axe murder ajmitch when he was over here, so i must be a little nice...
[05:58] <ajmitch> the subsequent therapy helped me a lot
[06:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:05] <Toadstool> :D
[06:06] <Toadstool> hi Hobbsee
[06:06] <Hobbsee> hey Toadstool
[06:08] <LaserJock> surely Hobbsee is somewhere in here
[06:08] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yeah....and?
[06:09] <LaserJock> the mental health diagnostic manual
[06:09] <LaserJock> my wife is a counselor
[06:09] <ajmitch> aha, a likely excuse..
[06:10] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I'm a genuis that's why. I know *everything*
[06:10] <Hobbsee> ah
[06:11] <LaserJock> you should see our library
[06:11] <LaserJock> she's got the social sciences covered pretty well
[06:12] <Fujitsu> Hey LaserJock.
[06:12] <LaserJock> I've got the natural and physical sciences
[06:12] <LaserJock> and between the both of us we've got quite a bit of the humanities
[06:12] <LaserJock> hi Fujitsu
[06:12] <ajmitch> and together you will rule the world, etc..
[06:13] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, wrong tense there.
[06:13] <LaserJock> our computer room has 3 book shelves
[06:13] <LaserJock> well, between the2 of us we've been at uni for 15 years :-)
[06:13] <LaserJock> you tend to collect some books in that amount of time
[06:14] <Fujitsu> I would presume so,
[06:15] <LaserJock> and both of our undergraduate degrees were pretty general
[06:15] <LaserJock> anyway
[06:15] <LaserJock> the DSM IV is *the* mental health diagnostic manual, at least in the US
[06:16] <Toadstool> don't read it, you might find out that you are totally insane :p
[06:16] <LaserJock> nah, you learn just how normal you are
[06:16] <LaserJock> :-)
[06:16] <Toadstool> heh
[06:19] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: you could have also mentioned dapper-backports to that stellarium bug reporter
[06:19] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: good point.
[06:19] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: hehe, i knew that anyway.
[06:20] <Toadstool> :)
[06:20] <jdong> grr that's a big orig.tar.gz
[06:21] <LaserJock> mostly data I think
[06:21] <LaserJock> I think Hobbsee is just bluffing
[06:21] <LaserJock> she's really like a cuddly little kitten
[06:21] <LaserJock> an just wants a pony ;-)
[06:22] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:22] <jdong> configure: error: freetype library not found
[06:22] <jdong> ./configure: line 12356: exit: please: numeric argument required
[06:22] <ajmitch> LaserJock: of course she is :)
[06:22] <jdong> missing build-dep?
[06:23] <nixternal> anyone here a master with "hostap" wifi cards?
[06:25] <LaserJock> grr, my connection has been really weird the last week
[06:25] <LaserJock> it like stutters
[06:25] <jdong> LaserJock: I need libfreetype6-dev in build-deps for it to build in my dapper pbuilder
[06:25] <jdong> for stellarium
[06:25] <nixternal> da, da, da, da you here, here, here, here LaserJock?
[06:27] <LaserJock> well, I'm connecting to my work computer to do irssi
[06:27] <LaserJock> and like every 30s to 1min. it lags for a few seconds
[06:28] <nixternal> ahh
[06:28] <jdong> stellarium builds fine otherwise
[06:28] <jdong> so, any MOTU's willing to add a build-dep to stellarium?
[06:28] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:29] <LaserJock> does it have the same problem in edgy?
[06:29] <jdong> I suspect on edgy one of the other b-d's automagically pulls it in
[06:29] <jdong> as it builds in edgy
[06:29] <jdong> though I can't see how it'd /hurt/ to add in the build-dep anyway
[06:31] <Toadstool> /hurd/ ?! Barry, get out of jdong's body!
[06:32] <LaserJock> jdong: you on dapper now?
[06:32] <jdong> LaserJock: I got it handy in a vmware
[06:33] <LaserJock> jdong: I was wondering what this gives: apt-cache rdepends libfreetype6-dev | wc -l
[06:34] <jdong> LaserJock: 48
[06:34] <LaserJock> k
[06:35] <LaserJock> it's 43 in edgy
[06:36] <LaserJock> I was just curious
[06:38] <jdong> so, how do you want to handle stellarium, LaserJock...
[06:38] <jdong> the backported package works fine in Dapper
[06:38] <jdong> at least to the degree that I know how to freakin use stellarium
[06:38] <LaserJock> heh
[06:38] <jdong> that is one of my most amusing incompetencies :)
[06:38] <jdong> not knowing how to test if a backported package works or not
[06:39] <jdong> boy do we have some strange packages in universe :)
[06:39] <LaserJock> yes
[06:39] <LaserJock> we have do good ones in MOTU Science
[06:40] <LaserJock> I dislike the TeX ones mostly
[06:40] <jdong> oh boy
[06:40] <jdong> I just attach debs to the bug report for that :D
[06:40] <jdong> the OP can test it all he wants
[06:40] <minghua> it may be stellarium's fault, or the fault of some -dev package which stellarium build-depends
[06:44] <jdong> mmmkay, well, I should REALLY be going back to bed now :)
[06:44] <jdong> if anyone makes any groundbreaking discoveries, comment in bug 65236...
[06:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65236 in dapper-backports "Stellarium can be upgraded in Dapper" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65236
[06:44] <LaserJock> jdong: ok
[06:44] <LaserJock> good night
[06:44] <jdong> nighty night
[06:45] <Hobbsee> or not.
[06:45] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: not going to work?
[06:45] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: i am.  but i start at 4, not 3 :P
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> work at 4am?
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> Hobbsee I swear you are just attracted to ungodly early working conditions.
[06:49] <ajmitch> bluefoxicy: why do you assume 4am?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> bluefoxicy: yeah, well.  4pm
[06:49] <bluefoxicy> oh.
[06:49] <bluefoxicy> I don't know, because most businesses here close around 4pm aside from retail
[06:50] <Hobbsee> bluefoxicy: i'm in retail.
[06:50] <Hobbsee> but the same here
[06:50] <Hobbsee> bluefoxicy: yes, i've noticed that too.  most annoying, that
[06:50] <bluefoxicy> Hobbsee:  I feel your pain
[06:51] <bluefoxicy> last time I worked in retail the guys were all cruder than me
[06:51] <LaserJock> that's saying something ;-)
[06:51] <bluefoxicy> yes I know
[06:51] <Hobbsee> hah.  yeah.  being caucasian is *not* good for working in retail.
[06:51] <bluefoxicy> caucasian?
[06:51] <Hobbsee> at least i know how to make them really embarrassed now :)
[06:51] <Hobbsee> bluefoxicy: ie, white
[06:51] <bluefoxicy> what's that have to do with it?  o.o?
[06:52] <Hobbsee> bluefoxicy: at least here?  a lot.  most of the more sleazy people are also *very* racist.
[06:52] <LaserJock> I've never had a "real" job. Not that I didn't want one exactly.
[06:52] <LaserJock> I applied for a fast food job once
[06:52] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: sadly some people in australia are known for that
[06:52] <LaserJock> got turned down ;-)
[06:52] <bluefoxicy> heh
[06:52] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: you dont want to be in fast food anyway :P
[06:52] <bluefoxicy> I have a pirate job
[06:53] <ajmitch> LaserJock: overqualified? :)
[06:53] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: it's better not to know, i'm sure
[06:53] <bluefoxicy> I get paid by someone I'm not employed by to do random work sometimes
[06:53] <bluefoxicy> not sure how that happened
[06:53] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yes, well probably
[06:53] <bluefoxicy> and I can't seem to shake them off, I keep telling them no :/
[06:53] <LaserJock> I tend to have a scientific "mad professor" quality
[06:53] <LaserJock> scatterbrained, slow, and distracted
[06:53] <LaserJock> not very good qualities in fast food
[06:54] <Toadstool> heh
[06:54] <bluefoxicy> LaserJock:  I have the 'burn-out' quality that I'll take a huge problem, attack it, melt my brain, then distance myself from it forever as a defense measure.
[06:54] <bluefoxicy> I seem to be in that last stage with my memory allocator.  The readahead-ng library I'm writing may be small enough that I'll finish it by then (first thing I'll ever finish...)
[06:54] <ajmitch> LaserJock: perfect for the world of academia
[06:54] <LaserJock> ajmitch: exactly
[06:55] <LaserJock> I love academia
[06:55] <bluefoxicy> heh
[06:55] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you plan to stay in academia & teach?
[06:55] <bluefoxicy> I hate kids, so I could never be a teacher
[06:55] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yes
[06:55] <LaserJock> I love libraries
[06:55] <ajmitch> cool, remember us when you collect your Nobel prize ;)
[06:55] <bluefoxicy> libraries psh
[06:55] <bluefoxicy> google
[06:55] <LaserJock> bah, google
[06:56] <LaserJock> google is ok for quick stuff
[06:56] <bluefoxicy> I don't do long reads.
[06:56] <LaserJock> but gimme a book anyday if I want to really learn something
[06:56] <bluefoxicy> I'm a technical reader; I get the information I need at the time.  I don't intend to read a chapter of anything, fiction or function.
[06:56] <LaserJock> ajmitch: hehe, I've already got a list started of people I've got to take to Oslo ;-)
[06:57] <ajmitch> LaserJock: of course if you persist in putting all your time into Ubuntu, you'll never make it to Oslo ;)
[06:57] <LaserJock> yep, but it's a worthwhile sacrafice
[06:57] <bluefoxicy> hey hey
[06:57] <ajmitch> heh
[06:57] <bluefoxicy> he might fruit Ubuntu for Starving People
[06:57] <bluefoxicy> and get the nobel prize for solving world hunger
[06:58] <LaserJock> no thanks
[06:58] <LaserJock> I do need to get back into my PhD
[06:58] <LaserJock> I've hardly done anything on it since Jan.
[06:59] <LaserJock> and then thay just *had* to have the next dev summit in Mountain View :/
[06:59] <bluefoxicy> Karl Gauss had the most awesome Ph.D. thesis in history.
[06:59] <bluefoxicy> When he was 14 he submitted it
[06:59] <ajmitch> LaserJock: a shame
[07:00] <bluefoxicy> Was titled, "The Unified Theory of Algebra"  :D
[07:01] <bluefoxicy> I really wish I was a friggin' genius like that sometimes, so I could actually get some work done; I don't know if I'd be less bored because I'd have something to do, or more bored because my brain would be too powerful to keep occupied.
[07:01] <LaserJock> one of the guys I really respect is Blaise Pascal
[07:02] <bluefoxicy> I don't really "respect" anyone, I just think some people are awesome
[07:02] <minghua> if there is ever somebody getting a Nobel because of Ubuntu, I would bet that be Mark rather than LaserJock :-)
[07:02] <minghua> so I suppose LaserJock had better stick to chemistry
[07:02] <LaserJock> :/
[07:02] <LaserJock> what if I got it for revolutionizing chemistry with Ubuntu :-)
[07:02] <bluefoxicy> I passed chem on probability mods
[07:02] <bluefoxicy> I actually picked random answers on my test because I had nfc how to do the math or what half the stuff even meant
[07:03] <bluefoxicy> and got a C
[07:03] <LaserJock> almost as bad as yesterday when I got on orkut
[07:04] <LaserJock> and found like 4 times as many "I Hate Chemistry" groups as "I Love Chemistry" groups :(
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> haha
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> Come on man, chemerstry r haurd
[07:05] <psusi> ap chemisrery definately did suck though... well, the tests did anyhow
[07:05] <psusi> class was fun... my teacher was insane and liked to blow shit up
[07:05] <bluefoxicy> ooh I had a teacher like that in 7th grade
[07:05] <bluefoxicy> she had one nonfunctional arm
[07:05] <bluefoxicy> the circuitry inside it got damaged or smth, was weird.
[07:06] <LaserJock> yeah, we are doing lots of research on how to get people to actually learn and appreciate chemistry
[07:06] <LaserJock> chemistry has just about the largest set of information that students have to learn
[07:06] <bluefoxicy> LaserJock: hint:  teach it to chemistry majors instead of computer science majors who don't give a crap.
[07:06] <LaserJock> especially Physical Chemistry, which is my area
[07:06] <psusi> a chunk of Lithium metal or thermite got me interested ;)
[07:06] <LaserJock> I believe *everybody* should learn chemistry to some extent
[07:07] <bluefoxicy> yeah yeah yeah
[07:07] <bluefoxicy> you know what
[07:07] <psusi> one day the teacher even spattered nitrogen triiodide all over the floor before we came in
[07:07] <LaserJock> it really is everywhere
[07:07] <bluefoxicy> I think we should teach second graders 6502 ASM
[07:07] <bluefoxicy> and move them up to C in fifth grade
[07:07] <bluefoxicy> everyone should know linux and know how to write code
[07:07] <LaserJock> heh, C might be useful at least
[07:07] <bluefoxicy> actually assembly is very useful; when i code in any language I have a very accute view of what I'm doing to the machine, in graphic detail.
[07:08] <bluefoxicy> of course
[07:08] <LaserJock> as a society, the US really needs more science education
[07:08] <minghua> well, I don't know.  neutrinos are everywhere, too, I think most people are better off not knowing anything about it :-)
[07:08] <bluefoxicy> any language that's not C is completely impossible to solve any useful problem in
[07:08] <LaserJock> we are making decisions based on things we don't even know
[07:08] <bluefoxicy> hah yeah
[07:08] <LaserJock> that's sad and dangerous, IMO
[07:08] <bluefoxicy> everyone is on the global warming bandwagon
[07:08] <bluefoxicy> what was it, 86% of the country said global warming impacted their life "significantly" or something?
[07:09] <bluefoxicy> back in 1970, everyone was frightened over "global cooling" (not kidding)
[07:09] <bluefoxicy> we really ARE randomly making decisions about stuff we don't understand :P
[07:10] <minghua> LaserJock: US education system has more important things to sort out... like decide whether to teach intelligent design or evolution
[07:10] <LaserJock> minghua: there is a lot more important things then that
[07:10] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:10] <bluefoxicy> minghua:  and how to promote racism most effectively without sacrificing the thin veil of covert operation
[07:12] <LaserJock> anyway ...
[07:13] <bluefoxicy> i need sleep
[08:23] <niru> hello all
[08:25] <niru> I want to have a repository that will automatically update and automatically compile the packages to ubuntu
[08:26] <niru> Is there any automation tool
[08:27] <niru> FunnyLookinHat:hello
[08:27] <FunnyLookinHat> greetings niru
[08:27] <niru> I want to have a repository that will automatically update and automatically compile the packages to ubuntu
[08:27] <niru> Is there any automation tool
[08:28] <FunnyLookinHat> I don't think you have a repository defined correctly in your idea.
[08:29] <FunnyLookinHat> Are you saying you want to have your own repository (server) that will mirror several main ubuntu repositories and automatically update to reflect any changes in the main servers?
[08:29] <niru> yes
[08:30] <niru> And if possible automatically compiling the packages to add ubuntu name
[08:31] <ChaosFan> wg 38
[08:31] <FunnyLookinHat> Well yes, there is a way to set that up, but I'm not aware of it.  Basically what you would have is a computer that would act as a server for you, and every day it would run something along the lines of "apt-get update" "sudo update all"
[08:31] <FunnyLookinHat> The packages are already compiled when they are put onto repositories.
[08:33] <niru> No If I want to take debian packages then i need to compile it to my needs right?so tool for that?
[08:35] <niru> FunnylookinHat:may I get information on who will help me here
[08:35] <niru> Any email-id
[08:37] <niru> FunnylookinHat:are you there
[08:40] <FunnyLookinHat> niru, sorry I'm not very free at the moment
[08:40] <FunnyLookinHat> Try looking in here in about 16 hours, the channel will be more active  : )
[08:45] <niru> Will I get any help here on this regard
[08:45] <FunnyLookinHat> Oh definitely
[08:45] <FunnyLookinHat> The other good place to ask would be #ubuntu-devel
[08:46] <niru> ok
[08:49] <minghua> niru: I still don't quite understand what you want to do
[08:49] <FunnyLookinHat> minghua, he wants to setup his own repository mirror
[08:49] <minghua> niru: is your mail goal to mirror all the existent packages on an ubuntu mirror
[08:50] <minghua> niru: or you want to automatically compile other packages that doesn't exist in official ubuntu archive yet
[08:50] <minghua> niru: the former is pretty simple, the latter is rather complicated (AFAIK)
[08:52] <niru> minghua:at present I just want to make my server up with auto updation facility from upstream as well as auto compilation of packages
[08:52] <niru> I have refering to upstream which is debian
[08:53] <niru> So whatever updation is going on in upstream the same should take place in my server automatically
[08:54] <niru> and those updated packages should get compiled to xyz1.2..3.elfy.deb etc
[08:54] <niru> is it possible
[08:54] <niru> if so which tool i need to use
[08:54] <FunnyLookinHat> Oooooh.
[08:54] <FunnyLookinHat> Then don't bother using ubuntu.  : )
[08:55] <FunnyLookinHat> Debian repos do not work well with ubuntu ones because of dependency issues.
[08:55] <FunnyLookinHat> well, that's to put it simply.
[08:55] <FunnyLookinHat> It's quite much more complicated.
[08:55] <FunnyLookinHat> But I have to go to bed...  I can try to figure something out for you tommorow  : )
[08:56] <niru> shall I give my email id
[08:56] <niru> otherwise it may be too late
[08:59] <minghua> niru: so you don't want any compiled packages from debian, but compile everything by yourself instead?
[08:59] <niru> yes
[09:00] <niru> minghua:any help from you?
[09:00] <niru> Any tool
[09:00] <minghua> niru: what you want is called a buildd
[09:01] <minghua> niru: http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/
[09:01] <minghua> niru: and as I've said, it's complicated
[09:02] <minghua> niru: and I also don't see it has anything to do with ubuntu either
[09:02] <niru> minghua:but I can give a trial?
[09:02] <niru> How ubuntu maintaines
[09:04] <minghua> niru: I don't know more.  I didn't even read the page I pointed you too
[09:05] <minghua> s/too/to/
[09:05] <niru> minghua:i am asking about ubuntu
[09:05] <niru> ubuntu repository....
[09:05] <niru> How it gets updated as debian repository gets updated
[09:06] <niru> And also compiles automatically
[09:10] <minghua> niru: the tool ubuntu uses is called soyuz: https://launchpad.net/products/soyuz
[09:11] <niru> is it for both updation and compilation
[09:12] <niru> Any knowledge on gentoo--what they might be using
[09:43] <dholbach> good morning
[11:07] <xerxas> Hi
[11:18] <niru> xerxas:hello
[11:19] <niru> xerxas:do you know how to use soyuz
[11:19] <xerxas> no
[11:19] <xerxas> sorry
[11:19] <xerxas> (Hi niru)
[11:33] <Fujitsu> niru, `use' it?
[11:42] <niru> Fujitsu:I did understand what you asked
[12:17] <Gloubiboulga> hello MOTU world
[12:27] <niru> hello Gloubiboulga
[12:27] <niru> Any idea on mirror server
[12:30] <lastnode> imbrandon, ping
[01:31] <iapx8088> a bit OT
[01:31] <iapx8088> http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/06/10/11/0142216.shtml
[01:31] <iapx8088> did you hear that?
[01:33] <Fujitsu> This will be... interesting?
[01:36] <ajmitch> sigh, very public, and lots of speculation from uninformed people
[01:38] <jsgotangco> eh?
[01:38] <iapx8088> I'm I was never fond of reiserfs
[01:39] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: rampant speculation abounds about hans reiser
[01:40] <jsgotangco> well foss people have colorful lives for sure
[01:40] <jsgotangco> ;)
[01:41] <Q-FUNK> rampant speculation about a lot of stuff being used to justify the unjustifiable, these days :(
[01:46] <kristog> hello
[01:50] <jsgotangco> hi
[02:14] <Fujitsu> geser, good luck :)
[02:15] <geser> thanks
[02:15] <Fujitsu> You should do fine, you've done a lot of MOTU stuff.
[02:18] <Fujitsu> I got an email informing me about a change to CommunityCouncilAgenda.
[02:18] <Hobbsee> ahhh...
[02:29] <pirast> hi, could anybody tell me what ${misc:Depends} in the Depends section in debian/control means?
[02:30] <StevenK> It's a substvar used by dpkg.
[02:30] <StevenK> If debconf is used, debhelper will expand ${misc:Depends} out to debconf | debconf-2.0
[02:31] <niru> can anybody help me in setting up a mirror server
[02:31] <niru> that will have auto updation feature and auto compilation
[02:32] <pirast> StevenK, thanks...
[02:32] <pirast> I am currently wondering why bigloo-devtools depends on libgcj7, it is not mentioned at any place in the debian/control. Have a look at bug 65282 Any ideas?
[02:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65282 in bigloo "not installable in edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65282
[02:35] <StevenK> pirast: libgcj would come in from the shlibs:Depends
[02:35] <pirast> StevenK, thanks again. And what does shlibs:Depends do exactly?
[02:37] <StevenK> Depends on packages that are linked against.
[02:37] <Fujitsu> A rebuild could fix it, couldn't it?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i'm about to check that.
[02:37] <Fujitsu> Thanks Hobbsee :)
[02:38] <pirast> hehe
[02:38] <pirast> StevenK, thanks..
[02:38] <pirast> but then, we are running into bug 65292
[02:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65292 in bigloo "FTBS" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65292
[02:39] <pirast> and finally into bug 65289
[02:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65289 in skribe "not installable, not buildable" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65289
[02:39] <StevenK> Whee, they depend on one another.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> yay for circular dependancies
[02:40] <Fujitsu> YUp.
[02:40] <Fujitsu> Woooohoo. What fun.
[02:40] <Fujitsu> How do we resolve circular build-deps!?
[02:41] <Hobbsee> usually, you remove one.
[02:41] <thom> Fujitsu: get an LP admin to bootstrap for you, or remove one if it's not essential
[02:44] <pirast> so fujitsu, do you try to solve it?
[02:45] <Fujitsu> pirast, I'm about to go to bed, so not right now... And I've got exams in two weeks, so I'm sort of busy at the moment :)
[02:45] <sivang> dholbach: you mentioned yesterday that the instructions file needs to be updated for hte mass file, which updates were you referring to?
[02:46] <pirast> fujitsu, good night then :)
[02:46] <sivang> (interesting thing is that I see no mention there for grepping over universe)
[02:46] <dholbach> sivang: updates?
[02:46] <dholbach> sivang: unmet dependencies
[02:46] <pirast> anyone who is willing and able to solve it?  :-(
[02:47] <phanatic> good afternoon
[02:51] <niru> phanatic:any idea on server setup
[02:51] <phanatic> niru: what server setup?
[02:52] <niru> we have our own mirror server of debian
[02:52] <niru> now i want to have some automated tool for auto updation
[02:53] <niru> as and when the debian repository gets updated with some new or modified packages
[02:53] <niru> And also auto compilation of all the 15000 packages with a suitable name as extension
[02:54] <niru> Is there any automated tool available for this
[02:54] <Fujitsu> Why do you need to recompile them all?
[02:55] <niru> like ubuntu does
[02:55] <niru> We may not modify anything in the code but just to have our own name
[02:55] <Fujitsu> You have made modifications to the packages?
[02:56] <niru> only want to add our site name and packagename.boss1.deb etc in debian changelog folder
[02:57] <niru> for one package we can do manually
[02:57] <niru> but for all packages its difficult
[02:57] <niru> so if any automated tool is available.........
[02:58] <phanatic> niru: it's not automated for ubuntu either...
[02:58] <phanatic> if you mean the -XubuntuX versions
[02:58] <niru> What the server should do is update the server with new packages as well as compile them and store
[02:59] <niru> ye something like XubuntuX
[02:59] <phanatic> that's added by people manually (or the MoM script maybe, i haven't used that)
[02:59] <niru> phanatic:then what for ubuntu is using soyuz
[03:00] <niru> soyuz : its a tool for that purpose right?
[03:00] <phanatic> dunno, i'm not a motu, haven't used soyuz yet :)
[03:00] <phanatic> i mean for uploads
[03:01] <niru> when can i see those peoples related to these queries in this channel.any idea?
[03:01] <sivang> dholbach: I updated the list of packages, yes
[03:01] <sivang> dholbach: but that's about it no?
[03:03] <dholbach> sivang: be sure to check the instructions file to, to see if it needs changing
[03:03] <dholbach> you added source package to it, right?
[03:05] <sivang> dholbach: this is how it looks:
[03:05] <sivang> LC_ALL=C apt-cache -i unmet | grep ^Package | cut -d' ' -f2 | sort -u |  xargs apt-cache showsrc | grep Package | sed 's/Package\:\ //g' | sort -u
[03:05] <sivang> does this only finds bin pkgs?
[03:05] <sivang> *find
[03:05] <dholbach> no it doesnt
[03:06] <dholbach> it's easy to check
[03:06] <sivang> dholbach: I'm not sure I follow what oyu want to add to it, that is, is it not working only on bin OR source pkgs, and you want me to add support for bin Or source pkgs, or both? :)
[03:07] <dholbach> no no
[03:07] <sivang> please explain :-)
[03:07] <dholbach> just file those bugs on source package
[03:07] <dholbach> apt-cache showsrc <something> | grep Package            shows the source package line
[03:07] <sivang> ah sure, it has 'showsrc' there, so it will
[03:08] <dholbach> that's why I said: "it's easy eo theck"
[03:08] <sivang> I alreayd checked that then :-)
[03:08] <dholbach> ok good
[03:08] <sivang> I got confused over what you are asking
[03:18] <sivang> dholbach: hmm, I see the team that is going to be subscribed with the bugs is 'motu':
[03:18] <sivang> dholbach: https://launchpad.net/people/motu
[03:18] <sivang> dholbach: don't we want it to be ubuntu-dev ?
[03:19] <thom> sivang: can i recommened dctrl-tools rather than all than apt-cache showsrc sedery?
[03:19] <sivang> thom: what wrong with using it?
[03:19] <thom> sivang: there are better ways, that's what
[03:19] <dholbach> sivang: no
[03:19] <dholbach> sivang: please motu, please
[03:20] <sivang> dholbach: sure thing, just wanted to double check :)
[03:20] <dholbach> motu has universe-bugs@ as contact adress
[03:20] <sivang> dholbach: ah cool
[03:21] <thom> sivang: "xargs grep-aptavail -s Package -n -F Package -X " is the same as "xargs apt-cache showsrc | grep Package | sed 's/Package\:\ //g' " for a start
[03:22] <sivang> thom: hmm, but it seems that the latter is more human readable, IMHO
[03:22] <thom> but horribly fragile
[03:23] <thom> you're relying on the fact that no-one adds an XS-Debian-Package-Maintainer: field or the similar
[03:23] <sivang> hmmm, I see
[03:24] <sivang> thom: I could improve the former with stricting the search for only 'Package' not part of another string
[03:24] <thom> sivang: just use grep-dctrl
[03:24] <thom> it's what it's there for
[03:25] <sivang> thom: okay, I'll use your line :)
[03:27] <niru> sivang:I want to have autoupdation tool for my server
[03:28] <niru> and also auto compilation tool
[03:28] <niru> Is it available in debian or ubuntu
[03:28] <niru> what for is ubuntu using soyuz
[03:31] <sivang> niru: sorry, I'm not sure I follow you.
[03:31] <sivang> dholbach: what do you use to make it not ask you the passphrase all the time?
[03:31] <chillywilly> why would something depend on netbase?
[03:31] <chillywilly> it uses the perl module or update-inetd?
[03:31] <StevenK> chillywilly: It requires /etc/services?
[03:32] <thom> or update-inetd, yeah
[03:32] <chillywilly> was looking at pop-before-smtp
[03:33] <dholbach> sivang: install a passphrase agent
[03:42] <sivang> dholbach: I went for gnome-gpg, but I'll remore it after this is done, I don't trust it too much ;-)
[03:46] <kristog> hey guys, motu-people have a TODO?
[03:48] <sivang> dholbach: I've started mass filing, still I can't see anyting on LP
[03:48] <dholbach> takes a while
[03:48] <sivang> yeah, firgures
[03:48] <sivang> figures, even
[03:50] <sivang> dholbach: 175 bugs filed and queued :-)
[03:50] <dholbach> super
[03:50] <dholbach> thanks
[03:50] <sivang> dholbach: my pleasure :)
[03:50] <jdong> crimsun: ping regarding x264 UVFe
[03:51] <jdong> (according to p.u.c empty pings are frowned upon now :D)
[03:51] <lophyte> p.u.c?
[03:52] <lophyte> geser: need a hand?
[03:53] <jdong> lophyte: the planet
[03:53] <lophyte> ahh
[03:53] <geser> lophyte: feel free to help
[03:53] <lophyte> geser: alrighty
[03:54] <lophyte> what are you working on atm?
[03:57] <geser> I will start with 65481 and then go down
[04:00] <geser> dholbach: is it ok to close unmetdeps bug which are fixed but the packages are sitting in the build queue?
[04:00] <dholbach> geser: absolutely
[04:00] <Hobbsee> geser: yeah....else they'll get lost anyway
[04:00] <Hobbsee> http://tinyurl.com/n8g6a
[04:01] <sivang> ah, I see people already started with unmetdeps. Then there's no use to send an email to ubuntu-motu with notification that unmet deps have been filed already ?
[04:01] <sivang> Hobbsee: :)
[04:01] <Hobbsee> sivang: :)
[04:02] <sivang> we've got nice synchronization
[04:02] <lophyte> geser: I'll start at bug 65310 and work up
[04:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65310 in plopfolio.app "[UNMETDEPS]  plopfolio.app has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65310
[04:02] <sivang> Hobbsee: btw, there are a couple of unmentdeps that dholbach also filed and never got attention
[04:03] <Hobbsee> sivang: rename them?
[04:03] <sivang> Hobbsee: huh?
[04:03] <sivang> stuff like https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird-locale-es/+bug/41508
[04:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41508 in mozilla-thunderbird-locale-es "[UNMETDEPS]  mozilla-thunderbird-locale-es has unmet dependencies" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[04:03] <geser> lophyte: some gnustep apps still needs fixing, don't close them
[04:04] <Hobbsee> sivang: ahh yes.  that's in that search too.
[04:05] <lophyte> geser: I don't think I can close them anyway
[04:06] <sivang> Hobbsee: you just set it 'newest first' :)
[04:06] <geser> lophyte: you can set those to "Fix Released" which closes them
[04:06] <lophyte> ah
[04:06] <Hobbsee> sivang: exactly.  i was thinking of all the firefox and mozilla locale bugs that got ignored in dapper and will likely get ignored in edgy too.
[04:06] <lophyte> I won't, then
[04:06] <Hobbsee> seeing as most of them havent been updated anyway
[04:07] <sivang> indeed. :-/
[04:11] <lophyte> geser: do I need to change the build-deps on some of these packages?
[04:12] <lophyte> ie. the build-deps for this are libgnustep-gui0.10-dev but there's no such package.. should that be changed to libgnustep-gui-dev ?
[04:12] <geser> yes
[04:13] <geser> lophyte: see http://librarian.launchpad.net/4777181/debdiff for the changes needed for talksoup.app
[04:13] <lophyte> alright
[04:14] <Hobbsee> geser: want me to upload talksoup.app?
[04:15] <geser> please do, less work for crimsun :)
[04:16] <geser> lophyte: on which package are you working atm?
[04:17] <lophyte> plopfolio.app
[04:18] <Hobbsee> geser: done talksoup.app
[04:18] <geser> lophyte: already done, see bug 65081, it just need to be build by the buildds
[04:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65081 in plopfolio.app "[Sync Request]  plopfolio.app (0.1.0-4) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65081
[04:18] <lophyte> ah.
[04:19] <lophyte> then bug 65310 should be closed?
[04:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65310 in plopfolio.app "[UNMETDEPS]  plopfolio.app has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65310
[04:19] <geser> yes
[04:19] <lophyte> alright.
[04:21] <geser> lophyte: see http://tinyurl.com/n385o for those packages which are sync already and only needs building
[04:23] <lophyte> geser: should I close the unmetdeps bugs that are open for those packages?
[04:23] <geser> yes
[04:23] <lophyte> okay
[04:32] <lophyte> geser: bug 65327 isn't listed on your sync requsts... I suppose I should take a look at it?
[04:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65327 in rssreader.app "[UNMETDEPS]  rssreader.app has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65327
[04:33] <geser> rssreader.app is still open
[04:34] <geser> debian has a new upstream version
[04:34] <lophyte> what should I do with it then?
[04:35] <crimsun> jdong: hi, what regarding x264 UVFe?
[04:35] <jdong> crimsun: kamion wants a dev to say that he approves of the sync
[04:35] <jdong> that's why there's no sync approval yet
[04:35] <geser> dholbach: gnustep packages from the unmet dep list which have a new upstream version in debian, should a uvfe be filed or should they simply be rebuild?
[04:35] <crimsun> jdong: right, I mentioned that yesterday. What's the bug #?
[04:36] <jdong> bug 63842
[04:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63842 in avidemux "UVF Exception Request: x264 to svn20060928 from marillat" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63842
[04:36] <dholbach> geser: that depends on your judgement
[04:38] <crimsun> jdong: done.
[04:38] <jdong> crimsun: thanks
[04:41] <geser> lophyte: for rssreader.app file an uvf exception as the new version fixes an grave bug reported in debian
[04:42] <lophyte> okay
[04:47] <lophyte> what info should i attach to the bug report?
[04:47] <lophyte> a changelog diff?
[04:55] <chillywilly> conffiles is for config files that the package should manage?
[05:08] <geser> lophyte: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/UVF
[05:12] <bddebian> Heya gang
[05:26] <sivang> lots of app are uninstallable due to
[05:26] <sivang> epends: gnustep-back0.10 (>= 0.10.2) but it is not installable
[05:26] <sivang>              Depends: libgnustep-base1.11 (>= 1.11.2) but it is not installable
[05:26] <sivang>              Depends: libgnustep-gui0.10 (>= 0.10.2) but it is not installable
[05:26] <sivang> are there going to get synced / fixed ?
[05:27] <azeem> not sure whether Debian finished the transition/whatever it is, either
[05:27] <bddebian> Didn't geser request sysncs of all the gnustep packages?
[05:27] <bddebian> Err re-syncs even
[05:28] <geser> for most of the packages yes
[05:28] <sivang> geser: okay, cool , so will this sync those same packages or bring in new ones that the gnustep apps depende on? (has there been a transition?)
[05:29] <sivang> ah, I see azeem's comment about the transition :-)
[05:29] <geser> see http://tinyurl.com/n385o for the sync request I filed
[05:29] <sivang> so once those are in, we all just need to do a reuild of the depending GNUstep packages yes?
[05:29] <azeem> not sure whether it is accurate
[05:29] <geser> all are done but are sitting in the build queue
[05:30] <sivang> so they need a kick, or release from NEW ?
[05:30] <geser> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/open.app/+builds?build_state=all
[05:31] <geser> I don't know if something can be done to speed it up
[05:33] <geser> according to my notes 20 gnustep apps still need to by looked at
[05:34] <sivang> looked in besides missing deps?
[05:35] <geser> as in "have ubuntu changes" and "rebuild or uvfe"
[05:35] <sivang> right, I see.
[05:36] <geser> in the first run I looked only at those which could be synced directly
[05:38] <sivang> when was that?
[05:38] <geser> yesterday
[05:39] <sivang> I see
[05:41] <geser> yesterday all the necessary new gnustep packages (gnustep-{back,gui,base}) were available from the archives
[05:43] <geser> I'm working with lophyte to fix the remaining gnustep apps
[05:44] <lophyte> I'm building the new rssreader.app and attaching the buildlog to my uvfe bug
[05:46] <sivang> if I accidently assigned a gnustep package to me, feel free to take it
[05:54] <lophyte> geser: cenon.app has a new upstream version but it doesn't seem to have fixed any serious bugs, just a new version... what should I do with it?
[05:54] <lophyte> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/c/cenon.app/cenon.app_3.81-1/changelog
[05:55] <lophyte> latest ubuntu ver is 3.80-2
[05:55] <Bazzi> let it go into edgy+1 I think
[05:55] <Bazzi> the UVF must mean something ;)
[05:56] <lophyte> I'll just rebuild it then
[05:56] <lophyte> its not serious enough for a uvfe
[06:11] <dholbach> so who does an uvf for xdg-utils and updates to 1.0?
[06:11] <dholbach> so we can say "we have portland 1.0 too" :)
[06:12] <geser> lophyte: I would say also do a rebuild
[06:12] <lophyte> geser: working on it.. what should I do with the resulting package?
[06:13] <geser> generate a debdiff and attach it to the bug
[06:13] <geser> debdiff old.dsc new.dsc
[06:13] <lophyte> alrighty.
[06:21] <chillywilly> what goes in conffiles?
[06:22] <chillywilly> abolute path(s) to package managed config files?
[06:22] <chillywilly> absolute too
[06:24] <lophyte> geser: there's an unmet dep bug here but the package doesn't even exist -- meta-gnustep
[06:24] <lophyte> bug 65332
[06:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65332 in meta-gnustep "[UNMETDEPS]  meta-gnustep has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65332
[06:25] <geser> meta-gnustep is the source name. the binary packages are gnustep, gnustep-core, gnustep-core-devel, gnustep-devel, gnustep-games, gnustep-core-doc
[06:25] <lophyte> ahh
[06:26] <lophyte> I assume it needs rebuilding, then
[06:27] <geser> lophyte: I've looked at your cenon.app debdiff
[06:27] <geser> XbuildY is only for no-change rebuilds
[06:27] <lophyte> oh, changing the build-deps counts as a change.. right
[06:28] <geser> yes, the new version should be 3.80-2ubuntu1
[06:28] <lophyte> thanks for pointing that out
[06:29] <geser> and mentioning what you have changed in the changelog makes it easier when going a merge in the future
[06:29] <geser> you don't then need to dig for the changes
[06:34] <lophyte> fixed
[06:34] <lophyte> sorry about that
[06:37] <geser> lophyte: looks good
[06:39] <geser> lophyte: to get your debdiff uploaded subscribe the ubuntu-universe-sponsors team (I've already done it for cenon.app)
[06:39] <lophyte> okay
[06:51] <lophyte> geser: meta-gnustep doesn't need any changes, it just needs a rebuild
[06:52] <kristog> sivang: you are in the ~galago group?
[06:52] <geser> lophyte: then add only a changelog entry
[06:53] <lophyte> alright
[06:54] <geser> lophyte: have you also checked the several binary packages in debian/control?
[06:54] <geser> Depends: gnustep-make, libgnustep-base1.11, libgnustep-gui0.10, gnustep-back0.10, gnustep-ppd
[06:54] <geser> those need to be updated
[06:54] <lophyte> do they? it built fine for me..
[06:55] <lophyte> oh, right
[06:55] <geser> yes
[06:55] <lophyte> those are install deps
[06:55] <lophyte> sorry
[06:55] <geser> the resulting binary packages still have the old depends
[06:56] <lophyte> the new depends have no version numbers, right?
[06:58] <geser> no, libgnustep-base1.11 -> libgnustep-base1.13, libgnustep-gui0.10 -> libgnustep-gui0.11, gnustep-back0.10 -> gnustep-back0.11
[06:58] <geser> only the -dev packages have lost the version
[06:59] <lophyte> the new packages are in the repos?
[06:59] <geser> you can find them by apt-cache search gnustep-back
[07:00] <geser> the rebuild packages depend on them
[07:01] <lophyte> none of the new packages show up on p.u.c for some reason
[07:01] <lophyte> but they show up in apt-cache
[07:03] <lophyte> that'll show me for using p.u.c
[07:05] <geser> I usually use apt-cache search to search for the new names and apt-cache madison to check package versions (when checking version depends)
[07:08] <JohnFlux_> Hi, I want to make a package to install the needed windows drivers for samba + cups integration
[07:08] <JohnFlux_> it will wget the files it can't put in the package
[07:09] <JohnFlux_> do i just make the package then upload?
[07:11] <lophyte> geser: k, done that one.. bug 65332
[07:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65332 in meta-gnustep "[UNMETDEPS]  meta-gnustep has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65332
[07:14] <keescook> so, if I wanted to watch the LP status of a package I uploaded (webfs), where would I see it?  Right now it doesn't show up under and build state in the "View Builds" page.
[07:15] <lfittl> somebody here, maybe from motu-uvf, who could tell me if uvf exception is needed for php-doc sync (https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/phpdoc/+bug/53710)
[07:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53710 in phpdoc "Please re-sync with debian, there's a newer version" [Undecided,Needs info] 
[07:21] <lfittl> dholbach: ^^^, could you take quick look at it? (php-doc sync)
[07:21] <geser> lophyte: I've already done waiho.app (request remove) and edenmath.app (merge)
[07:22] <lophyte> geser: alright
[07:22] <lophyte> I did meta-gnustep and just finished gnustep-examples
[07:22] <lophyte> going on to projectmanager.app
[07:22] <dholbach> lfittl: looks ok - talk to infinity about it
[07:23] <lfittl> dholbach: err, you mean talk to infinity to sync it, or to find out if it needs an exception granted?
[07:25] <dholbach> lfittl: it doesn't need an objection - just talk to infinity to get it done
[07:25] <dholbach> i.e. coordinate with him :9
[07:25] <lfittl> k, thanks :)
[07:31] <lophyte> geser: just finished projectmanager.app as well
[07:34] <kristog> sivang: did you only a rebuild for libgalago-gtk?
[07:35] <geser> lophyte: note: zipper.app is a sync but it waits on renaissance (synced) to appear in the repos
[07:36] <lophyte> alright
[07:37] <lophyte> I'm working on gorm.app now
[07:45] <geser> pantomime1.2 is done
[07:46] <lophyte> gorm.app fails on build
[07:46] <lophyte> GormPrivate.m:308: error: cannot find interface declaration for 'NSControlTemplate'
[07:47] <geser> have you also tried already the new upstream version from Debian?
[07:48] <lophyte> no
[07:48] <lophyte> but that would require a uvfe wouldn't it?
[07:48] <geser> yes
[07:49] <lophyte> I'll try the upstream version then
[07:49] <lophyte> if the upstream version works, should I file a uvfe?
[07:49] <geser> yes
[07:50] <CarlFK> is it bad to build a .deb on an edgy box and install it on a dapper box?
[07:51] <lophyte> geser: how do you apply a diff, again?
[07:51] <geser> CarlFK: in most cases it won't work because of the newer dependencies
[07:51] <geser> lophyte: patch -p1 < diff
[07:52] <lophyte> isn't it patch -p0 something
[07:52] <lophyte> k
[07:53] <geser> it depends on the patch and from which directory you call patch
[07:53] <geser> use --dry-run to test if you got the right value
[07:54] <CarlFK> geser: k - I'll just build it on my dapper box
[07:54] <CarlFK> I did it on my 'test box' to see if it would work, forgot it was edgy
[07:59] <geser> bb in a few minutes
[08:05] <CarlFK> once I build a new foo.deb, can I just "dpkg -i foo.deb" or should I "dpkg --purge foo" first?
[08:07] <CarlFK> apparenly it was time fro gaim to quit :)
[08:23] <lophyte> wb geser
[08:27] <geser> lophyte: I see the new version of gorm.app builds
[08:27] <lophyte> indeed it does
[08:27] <lophyte> I filed a uvfe
[08:27] <lophyte> bug 65531
[08:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65531 in gorm.app "UVF exception: gorm.app 1.0.8-2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65531
[08:30] <CarlFK> sorry for posting and crashing, which means I may have never posted, or missed the answer... if I am upgrading a package, do I need to "dpkg --purge" the old one before I -i the new one?
[08:44] <kristog> sivang: ping
[08:45] <keescook> CarlFK: I don't think so.
[08:45] <CarlFK> keescook: thanks.
[09:00] <pef> hello
[09:58] <ajmitch> morning
[09:58] <JohnFlux_> ajmitch: yes!
[09:58] <JohnFlux_> ajmitch: maybe
[09:58] <phanatic> evening
[10:01] <lophyte> heya ajmitch
[10:07] <superm1> hey guys.  whats the correct way to handle packages that broke with the bash -> dash switch?   is switching the top line from #!/bin/sh to #!/bin/bash acceptable?
[10:08] <lophyte> hey superm1
[10:09] <superm1> hey
[10:09] <lophyte> I doubt I'll have that box by this weekend to set up myth on, btw
[10:09] <superm1> oh thats a shame
[10:09] <lophyte> it probably won't come until next week
[10:10] <superm1> well i started to assemble a wiki page that everything will go in
[10:10] <superm1> if you want to look at it
[10:10] <superm1> http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:10] <superm1> er let me get the link
[10:10] <superm1> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MythtvEdgyInstallGuide
[10:12] <lophyte> nicew
[10:12] <superm1> the headings are fairly broken right now and a lot more content will have to go in
[10:13] <superm1> but its a start, and i'd like to have it polished and acurate by edgy time
[10:13] <lophyte> I'd be happy to help out :)
[10:14] <lophyte> I'm working on building an IR blaster.. just need a few parts
[10:14] <geser> superm1: fix the script to be posix compatible if possible
[10:14] <superm1> geser, okay.
[10:17] <superm1> lophyte, well I'm going to get vmware going and test what information I have in a VM to verify that I am describing everything right, and having a second set of eyes will help out great
[10:17] <superm1> i unfortunately run a good mix of edgy, dapper, and gentoo at home making it hard to make a clean start for myth
[10:17] <lophyte> ahh
[10:17] <lophyte> well as I said.. I'll be going from scratch
[10:18] <superm1> good then
[10:18] <lophyte> I'm gonna download the edgy beta server CD
[10:18] <lophyte> I'm doing a combined frontend/backend, but I'm gonna install the server and then apt-get a small wm
[10:18] <lophyte> one howto I read suggested using ratpoison
[10:18] <superm1> yea what i plan on putting in is what i do with openbox at home
[10:19] <superm1> its easier to configure then ratpoision
[10:19] <superm1> in my opinion
[10:19] <lophyte> openbox?
[10:19] <superm1> just another small WM
[10:19] <lophyte> ah
[10:20] <lophyte> is it possible to stream live TV from the myth box?
[10:20] <superm1> can always add pieces describing several ways to do it
[10:20] <lophyte> it'd be neat to be able to watch TV on my computer via the myth box
[10:20] <superm1> lophyte, lets go in pm so we dont crowd the channel again
[10:20] <lophyte> alright
[10:34] <enyc> MeeeMeep...
[10:35] <enyc> This may be too late todo anything about for edgy...
[10:35] <enyc> but I would like to see the debian freedoom 2.4.5 in ubuntu... rather than being stuck with old 2.2.6 -- iirc does not have the smooth demo recording!
[10:36] <LaserJock> enyc: you can file a Upstream Version Freeze (UVF) exemption with a changelog and bugs-fixed listing
[10:43] <enyc> LaserJock: hrrm this package isnt even in ubuntu yet
[10:43] <LaserJock> ah
[10:44] <LaserJock> then that's a Feature Freeze exception
[10:44] <enyc> i
[10:44] <enyc> im confused ;-)
[10:44] <LaserJock> ok
[10:45] <LaserJock> well right now everything is frozen
[10:45] <LaserJock> for edgy
[10:45] <LaserJock> but there are exceptions made for important things
[11:00] <chillywilly> if the upstream Makefile uses ROOTDIR should I just set that then before I call make or should I patch the Makefile so it uses DESTDIR? It seems this variable ROOTDIR does the same thing
[11:08] <chillywilly> why doesn't anyone answer these simple packaging questions of mine :)?
[11:14] <lifeless> chillywilly: because noone was around at the time ?
[11:15] <lifeless> and if you dont need to patch, dont patch
[11:15] <chillywilly> that's what I was thinking too
[11:16] <chillywilly> path of least resistence
[12:05] <tseng> brandon: :/
[12:05] <tseng> you are wearing about my name
[12:06] <brandon> huh ?
[12:06] <crimsun> (his name is also Brandon)
[12:06] <tseng> he knows
[12:07] <brandon> ahh no i dident heh
[12:07] <brandon> gah why am i not imbrandon ? hrm
[12:07] <tseng> brandon is my username
[12:08] <imbrandon> tseng, heh
[12:08] <imbrandon> i must have gotten cycled
[12:10] <tseng> s/about/out
[12:10] <tseng> oops