[12:20] <pips1> lucasvo: are you still here?
[12:20] <lucasvo> pips1: yes
[12:20] <lucasvo> pips1: I don't know
[12:21] <grahamldlw> oh yeh i wanted that too!
[12:21] <grahamldlw> since ubuntu has now accidentally become my new windows!#
[12:22] <pips1> grahamldlw: you mean you want the flash-plugin for firefox?
[12:22] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: overwritten your windows?
[12:22] <lucasvo> that's always a good reason to learn linux
[12:24] <pips1> lucasvo: it looks like highvoltage has built the 'Shipit: Order CDs' link into the Drupal theme, so I can't simply change it as an autor...
[12:25] <cyberhell86> eyyy pls help me.. :S i don't know what happened.. :S but i was using ubuntu... and now i came back to windows... but my dvd writer doesnt burn dvds anymore :S just cds and dvdrw :S do u have any idea what could have happened? :S I updated the firmware :S but i still have the same problem :(
[12:25] <pygi> cyberhell86, sudo apt-get install brasero
[12:25] <pygi> you can burn dvd's with it
[12:25] <pygi> uh, on windows?!
[12:25] <grahamldlw> yeh i reformatted my hard drive by accident cuz i tried to change it from ntsf to fat32 when it had stuff (i very very badly needed) on and it just wiped it, but at least ubuntu went on it lol
[12:26] <cyberhell86> yes.. :S it doesn't even work on windows anymore :S 
[12:26] <pips1> bizarre
[12:26] <cyberhell86> maybe the ubuntu change something on the firmware or something :S
[12:26] <pips1> nah
[12:26] <LaserJock> I seriously doubt ubuntu did anything
[12:27] <cyberhell86> uhmm :S
[12:27] <cyberhell86> what should i do? :(
[12:27] <grahamldlw> see this is why it's a bad thing that im only a college student, i dont understand all this stuff and the termnology they use
[12:27] <grahamldlw> it took about 8 ppl from the ubuntu channel to tell me how to install somethin and it still didnt work :D
[12:28] <pips1> grahamldlw: "they"?
[12:28] <grahamldlw> yeh pretty much everyone on the ubuntu channel
[12:28] <pips1> ah
[12:28] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: I am also a college student... 
[12:28] <LaserJock> as am I ;-)
[12:28] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: you'll learn very quickly 
[12:28] <grahamldlw> this is my second day of using it
[12:28] <grahamldlw> and soon to be last the moment i get a windows CD
[12:29] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: hey hey....
[12:29] <pips1> hehe
[12:29] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: don't give up that fast
[12:29] <grahamldlw> ask cbx33 lol im very impatient
[12:29] <grahamldlw> he shud know, cuz im constantly asking him questions and answers
[12:29] <grahamldlw> i dont get the whole structure of it
[12:30] <grahamldlw> and teh fact i reformatted my hardd drive when it had irreplacable information on it annoyed me a tad
[12:30] <grahamldlw> and the command line interface is annoying, and u need permission to do just about anythin on here
[12:31] <pips1> what have you been using the command line interface for, so far?
[12:31] <grahamldlw> finding and installing applications
[12:31] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: you can use synaptic for that
[12:32] <pips1> you don't want to use the graphical interfaces for that?
[12:32] <grahamldlw> i dont even know what that is
[12:32] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: system -> administration > synaptic
[12:32] <pips1> grahamldlw: are you using an english language installation?
[12:32] <pips1> ah, lucasvo beat me to it :)
[12:32] <grahamldlw> access denied
[12:32] <grahamldlw> yes
[12:33] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: why access denied?
[12:33] <grahamldlw> i dont know i dont use it!!
[12:33] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: what user are you using?
[12:33] <pips1> installing software on your system requires your password
[12:33] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: and did you enter your password?
[12:33] <grahamldlw> it didnt even get as far as a password screen
[12:33] <pips1> are you using edubuntu or ubuntu?
[12:33] <grahamldlw> synapic package manager right? 
[12:33] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: what user are you using? the one created initially on the setup
[12:33] <grahamldlw> ubuntu
[12:34] <grahamldlw> yeh
[12:34] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: yes
[12:35] <grahamldlw> ...
[12:36] <pips1> hmm, you say you don't get as far as a password screen.  rather strange.
[12:36] <grahamldlw> i just closed the access denied box and re opened it and it opened it but didnt even ask for a password?
[12:37] <grahamldlw> does it do it wen i acctually try and use a file?
[12:38] <grahamldlw> ok dosent matter i giv up, it's obviously no benefit to me, im goin back to good old fashioned simple windows
[12:38] <pips1> grahamldlw: if you enter your "sudo" password, the password get's remembered by the system for a few minutes. during that time, you don't need to re-enter it for other administrative tasks
[12:39] <grahamldlw> more hassle then it's worth far too complicated, which is surprising considering all i end up doin is writing pseudo code all day and looking at made up operating systems
[12:40] <grahamldlw> b4 i cud see the benefits of using linux over windows, now i see why i've used windows all my life
[12:40] <grahamldlw> cheers for ur help anyway
[12:41] <pips1> you are welcome
[12:41] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: you are angry because you lost your data not about the OS. try to remember that. It always takes it's time to get used to a new environnment
[12:41] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: but do as you like
[12:41] <grahamldlw> nah i dont mind the fact i list my dada
[12:41] <grahamldlw> data*
[12:41] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: I needed several tries to really do the switch
[12:41] <pips1> same here
[12:42] <grahamldlw> thats ok, i can get over that, it's just i dont like the whole interface of ubuntu
[12:42] <grahamldlw> and much prefer the simplicity of windows
[12:42] <lucasvo> well... ubuntu is simple as long as you don't use the command line. (which you don't have to)
[12:42] <grahamldlw> i dont get the whole structure of the file layouts either
[12:42] <grahamldlw> which dosent help
[12:43] <pips1> to be honest, the graphical interface of windows, mac and linux aren't *that* different, in my humble opinion
[12:43] <grahamldlw> or which files u can do what with
[12:43] <grahamldlw> if u look at the desktop at a glance they look similar as soon as u start using them there absolutly different
[12:43] <pips1> the file system structure can be rather incomprehensible at the beginning, I agree
[12:43] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: can you tell me an example?
[12:43] <grahamldlw> of what?
[12:44] <lucasvo> the problems you had with your desktop
[12:44] <grahamldlw> what do u mean problems?
[12:44] <pips1> I want to know too
[12:44] <grahamldlw> i said the desktop is different, it's the structure beyond that which courses the problems
[12:44] <LaserJock> Windows file structure is rather insane as well
[12:45] <lucasvo> indeed
[12:45] <pips1> grahamldlw: we would appreciate a quick listing of stuff you had trouble with
[12:45] <grahamldlw> i understand windows perfectly compared to this
[12:45] <grahamldlw> file types
[12:45] <lucasvo> everything is hidden in C;/Windows
[12:45] <LaserJock> grahamldlw: well, you gotta give it a little time, you didn't learn Windows file structure overnight :-)
[12:45] <pips1> what is the trouble with the file types?
[12:46] <grahamldlw> whereas windows has .exe and the setup files which are easiable identifiable to exactly what u need to do what with, and more often then none requires about 3 clicks to install, linux has .deb .run .tar.gc .tar.bz2 etc etc
[12:46] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: in linux there is one installer for all apps
[12:46] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: apt
[12:47] <pips1> grahamldlw: you should need to bother with all that, once you get to use a graphical installer like synaptic!
[12:47] <grahamldlw> but it dosent even work, i've had about 8 ppl copy and pasting exactly what i need to write and it dosent work
[12:47] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: you can use synaptic to install almost every piece of software that is available for ubuntu using it
[12:47] <grahamldlw> i get the whole sudo apt-get install etc etc
[12:47] <LaserJock> and you don't have to go grubing around the internet for apps
[12:47] <LaserJock> Ubuntu is much easier to install software on
[12:47] <grahamldlw> then what?
[12:47] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: just start up synaptic and search for the software you want 
[12:47] <lucasvo> choose it to install, and apply the changes~
[12:48] <grahamldlw> nah too many words for me
[12:48] <pips1> you don't have to use the command line (sudo apt-get ...), 'synaptic' is a graphical interface to that...
[12:48] <grahamldlw> dont have the technical vocabulary for it
[12:48] <grahamldlw> even on the synap thing it's too complicated
[12:48] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: to install a package just use the program SYnaptic
[12:48] <LaserJock> much easier then Windows to install software
[12:48] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: why?
[12:49] <grahamldlw> as i said
[12:49] <pips1> ah, so you *did* use synaptic then?
[12:49] <grahamldlw> technical termonology
[12:49] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: what didn't you unerstand?
[12:49] <grahamldlw> im finally startin to see how microsoft (emphasize) "earn" there money
[12:49] <grahamldlw> everything on the left side of the screen for a start
[12:50] <pips1> ?
[12:50] <LaserJock> dude, you just hit the "search" button and type in what you want
[12:50] <grahamldlw> nah i dont get it
[12:50] <pips1> LaserJock: :-)
[12:50] <grahamldlw> im a devote windows user thata do me
[12:51] <LaserJock> hehe, well good luck with it.
[12:51] <grahamldlw> now as soon as i get that disk i gotta try and get ubuntu OFF!
[12:51] <pips1> well, if you insist on huniting for .exe files to double click on... no one is going to stop you :)
[12:51] <pips1> *hunting
[12:51] <grahamldlw> i cant click on anythin
[12:51] <grahamldlw> nothin works
[12:52] <grahamldlw> infact the only thing i have on my desktops out of about 20 things now is a picture of me surprise surprise
[12:52] <grahamldlw> that works i forgot to add in
[12:52] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: what do you want to do?
[12:52] <pips1> LOL
[12:52] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: I guess firefox works?
[12:53] <grahamldlw> yeh
[12:53] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: and irc?
[12:53] <grahamldlw> i dont acctually want to do anything on here, not anymore anywayz
[12:53] <lucasvo> ok.
[12:53] <grahamldlw> i've given up with it all now
[12:53] <lucasvo> good luck with windows
[12:53] <pygi> heh, what an attitude :)
[12:53] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: sleep over it and try it again
[12:54] <grahamldlw> i wish, i did have a full screen of icons, and no! b4 u asked they wernt all pictures of me, only half of em were!
[12:54] <grahamldlw> well until it got formatted
[12:55] <grahamldlw> im not gonna speak an i'll word of microsoft after this, hmmm, i was almost converted into a ubuntu user and now im just totally put off after seeing this, this is why they dont even attempt with training for it, it's just too complicated
[12:55] <pips1> ok, last question to you, grahamldlw: why did you decided to try ubuntu in the first place?
[12:55] <grahamldlw> not for teachers students etc
[12:55] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: first think before talking please...
[12:56] <grahamldlw> y do i need to think?
[12:56] <grahamldlw> when the answer is a factual?
[12:56] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: a kid entirely new to pc without knowing windows will have the same problems to learn either ubuntu or windows
[12:56] <grahamldlw> and it's because someone gave me a CD who's opinion on computing matters i respect
[12:57] <grahamldlw> hu told me i shud try it especially for programming
[12:57] <lucasvo> after half a day you'll know how to use ubuntu
[12:57] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: maybe you can ask him to help you
[12:57] <grahamldlw> i used it for 2 days now?
[12:57] <lucasvo> it's easier to do it locally
[12:58] <pips1> has that person not given you a preview of it on his machine? or did he not offer to give you help when trying it?
[12:58] <grahamldlw> nah i dont want help with it i want rid of it now it's just problem after problem
[12:58] <pygi> bleh
[12:58] <grahamldlw> no he did show me it and it looked gd, but then again he's probably been using it for yr after yr,amd also he is very smart anyway
[12:59] <grahamldlw> im glad windows is used at my college anyway, purely because to me, regardless of wether or not i've been brought up on it i can understand why it wud be easier to use
[12:59] <pygi> grahamldlw, if I summon you a start button, you'll be happy then? :)
[12:59] <lucasvo> wow, ubuntu mirror has ipv6
[12:59] <lucasvo> cool
[12:59] <pips1> grahamldlw: are you using any applications for programming on windows?
[01:00] <grahamldlw> yeh a couple
[01:00] <pips1> which ones?
[01:00] <grahamldlw> cant remember
[01:00] <pips1> right
[01:00] <LaserJock> grahamldlw: well, I'm sorry you are having a bad experiece here. I'm sure with some patience and a little help from cbx33 you could have a better time
[01:00] <grahamldlw> i formatted my hard drive by accident
[01:01] <LaserJock> grahamldlw: many many people find Ubuntu (and Linux in general) a much easier and better computing experience
[01:01] <grahamldlw> nah im just gonna get help on programming matters from cbx33
[01:01] <grahamldlw> ubuntu isnt going to be an issue for much longer
[01:01] <pygi> grahamldlw, you do understand he _DOES NOT_ use windows, right? :)
[01:02] <pygi> bleh
[01:02] <grahamldlw> yes i know that
[01:02] <grahamldlw> i see him often enuf i shud lol
[01:02] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: you know cbx
[01:02] <grahamldlw> yes
[01:02] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: ask him
[01:02] <grahamldlw> he physically gave me the ubuntu disk
[01:02] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: he'll help you for sure
[01:02] <LaserJock> grahamldlw: he also told you to back up your data :-)
[01:02] <grahamldlw> yeh he's gd with that it's just too complicated for me
[01:03] <grahamldlw> yeh i know but i didnt, i tried to do it thru linux but surprise surprise it didnt work
[01:04] <pips1> grahamldlw: I don't quite understand why you didn't try to do the backup in your trusted windows environment, though...
[01:04] <grahamldlw> if you saw how difficult it is to do anything on my pc u'd know why
[01:04] <pips1> huh?
[01:04] <grahamldlw> dosent matter
[01:04] <pips1> is you windows installation buggered or something?
[01:05] <lucasvo> anyone know how I can destroy a tunnel?
[01:05] <pips1> sorry, *was*
[01:05] <lucasvo> ipv6 over 4
[01:05] <pips1> lucasvo: no clue
[01:05] <grahamldlw> anyway im going i have college in a few hours, and YAY i get to use windows all day long!
[01:05] <lucasvo> tunnelbro Link encap:IPv6-in-IPv4  
[01:05] <lucasvo> grahamldlw: have a good day
[01:06] <LaserJock> finally
[01:08] <lucasvo> crappy ipv6 routing
[01:10] <bimberi> well ... that was an interesting time to join
[01:13] <lucasvo> anyone know squid?
[01:13] <lucasvo> I need to set it up so it accepts connection from anywhere
[01:14] <pygi> hey bimberi 
[01:14] <bimberi> hi pygi
[01:15] <pips1> bimberi: :)
[01:15] <pygi> how is you?
[01:16] <pips1> cu guys
[01:17] <bimberi> very well thanks pygi, very dry (drought) here though :( . And you?
[01:17] <bimberi> hi and bye pips1 :)
[01:17] <pygi> bimberi, quite good and tired :) Busy with moving :)
[01:19] <bimberi> :)
[01:19] <pygi> it's 1:20 AM now, so I'm not doing any "moving work" right now tho :)
[01:21] <pygi> but I'll go in "sleep mode" soon :)
[01:22] <pygi> night
[01:24] <bimberi> nn pygi
[02:20] <HedgeMage> One more thing to cross off of my to-do list -- yay!
[03:40] <toy42> I've download 6.06.1 edubuntu DVD.  I've installed it in a VMWare container.  It doesn't have LTSP etc as far as I can tell.  Should I have stuck with 6.06 DVD or a 6.06.1 CD that actually had links to them?
[03:42] <toy42> maybe should I try edgy?  
[03:44] <toy42> I'm also going to try K12...  just trying to get a demo up and running for my son's small school.
[03:45] <LaserJock> I'm not really sure
[03:45] <LaserJock> you could try the Edgy Beta CD
[03:49] <toy42> thanks...  I'll do that.  I've been using Linux for 11 years, but I need something simple to "sell" ...  as the school won't want to worry about if their next "tech helper" will have skillz.  ;)  
[03:50] <LaserJock> yep
[03:50] <toy42> LaserJock: are you using edgy beta?
[03:51] <LaserJock> yep
[03:51] <LaserJock> well, it's a little newer then beta exactly as I update it every day
[03:52] <toy42> cool...  and are you doing LTSP?
[03:53] <LaserJock> no
[03:53] <LaserJock> I don't have an LTSP setup
[03:53] <LaserJock> just workstations
[03:54] <LaserJock> but the LTSP in Edgy has more features then the Dapper version
[03:54] <toy42> thx for the info
[04:37] <sbalneav> Evening all
[04:37] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav 
[04:37] <sbalneav> Heya!
[04:37] <sbalneav> Gettin' geeked for MV?
[04:57] <LaserJock> sbalneav: well, I'm kinda too busy to think about it much :?
[04:58] <sbalneav> :)
[04:58] <LaserJock> how about you?
[04:59] <sbalneav> Totally geeked.  We did a ton of good things with LTSP, and there's more bling to come.
[04:59] <sbalneav> altius, citius, fortius, and all that.
[05:00] <sbalneav> Always fun to reconnect with all my linux buddies.
[05:00] <sbalneav> Plus:
[05:00] <LaserJock> hehe
[05:00] <sbalneav> BEER :)
[05:00] <LaserJock> well, I'll be happy to see you guys
[05:00] <LaserJock> although I wish highvoltage and jerome were coming
[05:01] <sbalneav> True.  However, we'll have fun regardless.
[05:02] <LaserJock> yes
[05:02] <LaserJock> I was kinda hoping for more community people
[05:02] <LaserJock> but it'll be cool to have the "big guns"
[05:06] <rodarvus> there will be lots of community people
[05:07] <rodarvus> it just seems that edubuntu people were not interested in showing up :P (ok, just kidding here)
[05:08] <crimsun> yeah, I was about to say that it seems like UDS/MV will be a huge gathering
[05:09] <LaserJock> bimberi: I believe so
[05:10] <LaserJock> well, I'm apparently the only Edubuntu community person going
[05:11] <rodarvus> sbalneav is Edubuntu too! :)
[05:11] <LaserJock> well, 1 1/2 then
[05:11] <LaserJock> since he's 1/2 LTSP ;-)
[05:12] <LaserJock> is there a plan in the works for a teacher conference or something?
[05:12] <rodarvus> afaik, yes
[05:12] <rodarvus> but RichEd is the one that can fill in the details
[05:12] <rodarvus> Im not sure of when, where, or nothing like this
[05:13] <rodarvus> so please don't quote me on slashdot, osnews or planet ubuntu :P
[05:14] <bimberi> LaserJock: cool
[05:14] <LaserJock> rodarvus: haha
[05:15] <sbalneav> :)
[05:15] <LaserJock> I heard mutterings about it and RichEd is getting this "Education space" thing going so I imagine it's in the works for some time
[05:15] <LaserJock> haha
[05:16] <LaserJock> yes, sbalneav was very good about using the microphone
[05:16] <LaserJock> the rest of user were like "Get this crap out of my way"
[05:16] <bimberi> ooh, precious aren't we :)
[05:17] <LaserJock> well, it's hard to be both live and brodcast at the same time
[05:17] <LaserJock> like I'd be moving around the room
[05:17] <LaserJock> and you are talking with people face-to-face
[05:18] <LaserJock> and then you're like "darn, I forgot the mic"
[05:18] <LaserJock> then it's like doing IRC
[05:18] <bimberi> oh yes, that's totally fair
[05:18] <bimberi> it needs to work locally before it can possibly be of any benefit to those outside
[05:19] <LaserJock> yeah, Paris was the first experiment
[05:19] <bimberi> 'it' being the BOF session or whatever
[05:19] <LaserJock> it'll be better this time
[05:19] <LaserJock> especially if they can get it to work for everbody
[05:19] <LaserJock> in Paris the ppc's weren't able to use it
[05:20] <bimberi> ah
[05:20] <LaserJock> so that started a trend of some people using it, some people not
[07:40] <LaserJock> hmm
[07:40] <LaserJock> why are you guys up?
[07:41] <cbx33> hheeh
[07:41] <cbx33> this is my normal rising time ;)
[07:41] <HedgeMage> hi cbx33 
[07:41] <cbx33> infact I'm a litte late
[07:41] <cbx33> hey HedgeMage 
[07:41] <HedgeMage> Emailed lisa that text a little while ago :)
[07:41] <cbx33> fantastic
[07:42] <cbx33> what are you still doing here LaserJock :p
[07:42] <LaserJock> getting ready to go to bed
[07:42] <LaserJock> trying to figure out why my network is going haywire
[07:43] <cbx33> what at home now too?
[08:32] <RichEd> hello all ...
[08:32] <RichEd> LaserJock: There will be an Ubuntu Education Summit in Q2 next year. Agreed by sabdfl yesterday.
[08:52] <toosa_> Helo RichEd !
[08:52] <RichEd> hello toosa_ 
[08:53] <toosa_> What time in SA now ?
[08:53] <RichEd> 08:53am Thursday :)
[08:54] <toosa_> oh .. good morning .. hope a beauty sunshine there :) It is 13:57 Thu here
[08:55] <pips1> good morning RichEd and all
[08:55] <RichEd> Sunshine ... clear skies ... looking like a good day so far :)
[08:55] <RichEd> Hello pips1 ... welcome back
[08:55] <pips1> great news about the Educatoin Summit!
[08:55] <RichEd> Sorry I missed you last night ... how was the leave ?
[08:55] <pips1> we had a great time
[09:29] <cbx33> Hey RichEd 
[09:29] <RichEd> hello cbx33
[09:29] <pips1> morning cbx33
[09:31] <nixternal> nixternal@MasTequila:~/Work/Ubuntu/Documentation/repos/trunk/edubuntu/handbook/C$ ../../../validate.sh Edubuntu-Handbook.xml
[09:31] <nixternal> nixternal@MasTequila:~/Work/Ubuntu/Documentation/repos/trunk/edubuntu/handbook/C$ 
[09:31] <nixternal> that is a good thing
[09:31] <nixternal> only took 3 or so hours ;)
[09:31] <nixternal> I have copied over from the "binary redneck" svn to the Ubuntu Documentation svn repo
[09:32] <HedgeMage> nixternal: what time zone are you, dear?
[09:32] <nixternal> CST - Chicago
[09:32] <HedgeMage> nixternal: you rock, btw
[09:32] <HedgeMage> wow, my home area :)
[09:32] <nixternal> ya, your mom is on the south south side ;)
[09:32] <HedgeMage> :)
[09:33] <nixternal> mdke will work on getting whoever needs svn rights and what not on the Ubuntu Doc server
[09:33] <nixternal> i am glad i copied over there and did it...i cut the job at hand by half i would say
[09:34] <RichEd> cbx33: I've got an email from lisa ... thanks ... I must write her the art approach email in the next while. Just catching up with pips1 and filling him in on some things,.
[09:34] <nixternal> so, if anyone wants to check out the handbook repo from Ubuntu docs... you can read over https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DocumentationTeam/Repository
[09:34] <nixternal> doh
[09:34] <nixternal> don't read that
[09:34] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository
[09:34] <nixternal> there we go..much better
[09:35] <HedgeMage> :)
[09:35] <nixternal> man...if i would have done all of that on binary redneck...oooh your host would have been mad
[09:35] <nixternal> im sure the server in london was screaming at me tonight
[09:35] <HedgeMage> nixternal: Probably not, they love me :)
[09:36] <nixternal> now, i will hack the makefile, and build some html love to look over as well...maybe even do some docbook > pdf lovin' as well
[09:36] <nixternal> something tells me that when this is finished, it will be "lulu'fied"
[09:37] <HedgeMage> nixternal: I have a sudden urge to mail you brownies or something :P
[09:38] <RichEd> nixternal: just chatting to HedgeMage about lulu and were talking about setting up a meeting for handbook handover and short term future
[09:38] <nixternal> i have a sudden urge to grab a bottle of water, a bag of habanero dorritos and grab my big comfy bed ;)
[09:38] <nixternal> im open any time of the day
[09:39] <nixternal> i know from what i hacked tonight, i see some restructuring in the future, as well as getting people to contribute some meat and potatoes
[09:39] <RichEd> nixternal: In 22.5 hours time ?
[09:39] <RichEd> Friday 06:00 UTC that is
[09:39] <nixternal> that is 1am here
[09:39] <nixternal> im up at that time
[09:39] <nixternal> as you can tell
[09:40] <RichEd> Yep ... you are both online now so I thought it could work.
[09:40] <HedgeMage> :)
[09:40] <RichEd> It will be willvdl, riched, nixternal, HedgeMage : I'll send an agenda which you can comment or add to
[09:40] <HedgeMage> Awesome, thanks :)
[09:41] <nixternal> roger that...what about sbl<i forget the rest> and his ltsp work as well..he has been documenting i can see
[09:41] <cbx33> nixternal: 3 hours ????
[09:41] <nixternal> 3 hours what?
[09:41] <cbx33> are we using the doc repo now?
[09:42] <cbx33> to validate the handbook
[09:42] <nixternal> it validates, so that is good, but yes, the doc repo is fired up
[09:42] <nixternal> ready for you to grab it
[09:42] <cbx33> ok I'll ask mdke for an account
[09:42] <cbx33> that is if you guys think I shoud have one
[09:42] <nixternal> you guys are already members, so ya, mdke  you got it ;)
[09:42] <nixternal> mdke should be alive shortly im guessing
[09:43] <cbx33> ok I'll ask him when I next see him
[09:43] <cbx33> hehe
[09:43] <cbx33> RichEd: excellent.....
[09:46] <Burgundavia> anybody awake to proofread the UWN?
[09:46] <cbx33> sure
[09:46] <cbx33> link me
[09:46] <HedgeMage> Burgundavia: sure, fire away
[09:46] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue17
[09:47] <Burgundavia> let me do one last edit
[09:47] <cbx33> ok let me know when ;)
[09:47] <HedgeMage> tell me when to refresh :)
[09:49] <Burgundavia> go ahead
[09:49] <cbx33> w00t
[09:50] <Burgundavia> you have 8 hours
[09:50] <cbx33> Burgundavia: want me to pm comments?
[09:50] <Burgundavia> no, edit it inline
[09:50] <Burgundavia> it is 1am here and I intend to sleep
[09:50] <cbx33> yoiu want me to actually edit it?
[09:50] <cbx33> ok
[09:50] <cbx33> nn Burgundavia 
[09:51] <cbx33> I'll check and edit....I'll let HedgeMage take a first crack at it....unlessyou want me to go first HedgeMage  :p
[09:51] <nixternal> alrighty...i shall return in 8 to 10 hours, depending on how i sleep ;)
[09:51] <cbx33> heheh
[09:51] <cbx33> GO GO GO nixternal 
[09:51] <HedgeMage> cbx33: go ahead and go first, I just got a phone call
[09:51] <nixternal> g'nite everyone and remember Ubuntu Doc Repos now ;)
[09:51] <HedgeMage> ttyl nixternal 
[09:51] <nixternal> hehe
[09:51] <cbx33> nixternal: thatnks
[09:51] <nixternal> np
[09:51] <cbx33> I'll remember now
[09:57] <HedgeMage> I'm off to grab some sleep... cbx33 do you have Burgundavia covered without me?  I just realized that I have to get up in four hours.
[09:58] <HedgeMage> cbx33: pokepoke?
[09:58] <RichEd> morning highvoltage 
[10:00] <Burgundavia> HedgeMage: I do
[10:00] <HedgeMage> Burgundavia: see you later, then... goodnight :)
[10:02] <cbx33> sorry HedgeMage was proofing
[10:02] <cbx33> I'm editing as we speak
[10:05] <cbx33> Burgundavia: proofed ;)
[10:15] <Burgundavia> cbx33: chers
[10:15] <pygi> hey highvoltage,  Burgundavia 
[10:15] <Burgundavia> hey highvoltage, pygi
[10:16] <pygi> night Burgundavia :)
[10:18] <cbx33> nn Burgundavia 
[10:18] <cbx33> if you want me to do a further prrof later just shout
[10:18] <pygi> cbx33, pm pls :)
[10:25] <cbx33> JONO !!!!
[10:27] <jono> hey
[10:27] <cbx33> howz it going
[10:29] <jono> good thanks :)
[10:29] <jono> you?
[10:29] <cbx33> yeh going well....recorded a good segemtn for youth lug radio :p
[10:31] <cbx33> do you guys allways get it in one take ;)
[11:04] <pips1> ogra: ping
[11:06] <pips1> ogra: sorry to ask this again (will make a note now): I'm testing the RC CDs.. During install, for my two NICs, I get asked which one I want as the "primary network interface". Is that going to be the outbound internet interface? or is that the LTSP interface?
[11:08] <ogra> the first question is for the internet facing NIC
[11:09] <ogra> if you have more than two you will be prompted for the thin client NIC ... else it will just grab the second one
[11:09] <cbx33> ogra....shall I update the wikito say which version we are testing?
[11:09] <ogra> cbx33, yes, that would be fine
[11:09] <cbx33> ok
[11:09] <cbx33> by the way yesterday I tested the 09 version installing and had no problems
[11:10] <cbx33> am just burnin 12
[11:10] <cbx33> sorry not 09
[11:10] <cbx33> 11.1
[11:10] <ogra> thats great to hear :)
[11:10] <ogra> but doesnt help with the edubuntu bits :P
[11:10] <cbx33> will install on my laptop at work so I can actually test LTSP environment
[11:10] <cbx33> that was the edubuntu iso
[11:11] <ogra> 11.1 ?
[11:11] <ogra> i'm not aware i built a .1
[11:11] <cbx33> ok 11
[11:12] <ogra> ok :)
[11:12] <cbx33> I'm all confused....11.1 09 11 12 3904867349856
[11:12] <cbx33> we should name every one...
[11:12] <cbx33> I just tested the melissa release
[11:12] <cbx33> or the lucy release
[11:12] <ogra> well
[11:50] <cbx33> ogra: ... I'm still expecting something after the well :p
[12:04] <pips1> re naming each daily build: LOL
[12:05] <cbx33> we should name the release after memebrs of the community
[12:05] <cbx33> the pips1 release
[12:05] <cbx33> how do people theme gnome and change the look of the deskbars etc?
[12:05] <cbx33> like the applications/places/system bar
[12:26] <pips1> hurray, edubuntu RC amd64 server installed fine, need to test with clients yet
[12:26] <cbx33> hehe
[12:26] <cbx33> same with 386
[12:26] <cbx33> just about to test with clients
[12:27] <lucasvo> I hate disassembling notebooks
[12:27] <lucasvo> crap
[12:28] <lucasvo> windows boots, shows a bluescreen for  1/2 second and linux doens't even boot at all
[12:28] <lucasvo> :(
[12:28] <pips1> eek
[12:29] <lucasvo> anoybody got a an old Aiprort card?
[12:29] <cbx33> pips1: I can test running the amd64 live
[12:29] <cbx33> can you do ppc?
[12:29] <lucasvo> they are worth  about 60$
[12:29] <lucasvo> it's a joke
[12:29] <lucasvo> apple stopped producing them
[12:30] <pips1> I'll do ppc live
[12:30] <cbx33> ok
[12:31] <cbx33> we need multi-arch emulation
[12:31] <pips1> I'm currently running ltsp-build-client --arch i386, since my clients are i386, so that will take some time
[12:31] <cbx33> yes
[12:31] <cbx33> I'm just testing the i386 clients
[12:31] <pips1> huh?
[12:31] <pips1> what is that about mult-arch? 
[12:31] <pips1> ohhhh
[12:31] <cbx33> VERY speedy
[12:32] <cbx33> so we can create ppc virtual machines
[12:32] <pips1> are you saying that multi-arch is now supported out-of-box, without any need to run 'sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp/amd64 && sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386' ??
[12:32] <pips1> it's a shame ogra is here just now
[12:33] <pips1> *isn't
[12:33] <cbx33> no
[12:33] <cbx33> no I'm not
[12:33] <cbx33> w00t /me just realised sound works :)
[12:33] <cbx33> over LTSP
[12:33] <cbx33> by default
[12:33] <cbx33> THAT IS SOO COOL
[12:34] <cbx33> hehe
[12:34] <cbx33> hmm....but didn't work for the second user
[12:35] <pips1> hmm
[12:35] <cbx33> argh.... :( - not reboot button for ldm
[12:35] <cbx33> just testing a reboot 
[12:45] <cbx33> bug....can someone else test....first user to login on a client machine gets sound....
[12:45] <cbx33> if another user logins in after
[12:45] <cbx33> they get no sound
[12:45] <cbx33> if first user logsin again they get sound
[01:00] <cbx33> pips1: can you confirm that when you get a sec?
[01:43] <jsgotangco> cbx33: are you meaning you would like to see a the whole boot process graphical? the you'll have to load the graphics driver from the beginning, and the kernel loaded in memory isn't really big ;)
[01:46] <ogra> redhats anaconda does that afaik
[01:46] <ogra> it rins in kdrive
[01:46] <ogra> *runs
[01:46] <jsgotangco> it does? hmm..i never thought of that
[01:47] <jsgotangco> seems to be a waste of userspace no?
[01:47] <ogra> well, i doubt resuming from suspend/hibernate would work nicely with kdrive
[01:47] <jsgotangco> i bet
[01:47] <ogra> so using it in usplash wouldnt work 
[01:50] <lucasvo> I'd appreciate a styled grub 
[01:50] <ogra> write one :)
[01:53] <jsgotangco> ok will have to start testing the recent disc
[01:53] <jsgotangco> brb
[01:59] <pips1> hey highvoltage
[02:03] <pips1> wow, what's that "Edgy Eft Edition" screen calibration screen?!
[02:04] <pips1> on a thin client
[02:07] <pips1> hmm. the sound came from the server, rather than the client
[02:09] <ogra> pips1, did you log in on the server before logging in on the client with that user ?
[02:10] <pips1> I logged in on the server with the initial user (sysadmin) and I logged in on the client with a test1 user
[02:10] <ogra> hmm
[02:10] <ogra> the gstreamer autosink should select the right output plugin 
[02:10] <pips1> what is the easiest way to share a folder for users on the thin clients?
[02:10] <ogra> you can set it to esd in gstreamer-properties 
[02:11] <willvdl> hey all.
[02:11] <ogra> on the thin clients ??
[02:11] <willvdl> my 3G gave up the ghost half way through the meeting... :|
[02:11] <pips1> basically, I got some test files (sound, images, ...) that I want all test user accounts to be able to access
[02:11] <ogra> you need some kind of network auth and need to set up a nfs/samba/something server in the chroot
[02:12] <ogra> ah, well, just put them in a public place on the server 
[02:12] <ogra> you dont need any access to any thin clients for that
[02:12] <pips1> how do I make a folder public?
[02:12] <ogra> just use /tmp ... as long as you dont reboot the data should be there
[02:13] <ogra> apart from that /home dirs are readable 
[02:13] <cbx33> ogra: ok
[02:13] <pips1> oh, the home dirs are all readable by all users by default?
[02:13] <ogra> sure
[02:13] <pips1> not here
[02:13] <cbx33> he's not here but yes jsgotancgo that was what I meant
[02:13] <cbx33> ok ogra found a bug on edubuntu
[02:14] <cbx33> to do with sound
[02:14] <ogra> pips1, 
[02:14] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~$ ls /home/testuser/
[02:14] <ogra> Desktop
[02:14] <pips1> ah, I copied the whole folder from a usb stick, so the permissions probably got copied along with it (?)
[02:14] <ogra> hmm, that could be
[02:14] <ogra> set them readable for eveyone in nautilus or so ...
[02:14] <cbx33> if I log in on a client machine as a user I get sound.....then logout I get sound ....then login as another user....I won;t get sound....logout no sound....login as the first user again...I get sound
[02:14] <cbx33> does that mke sense?
[02:15] <ogra> fuse is *very* secure ... :)
[02:15] <ogra> cbx33, with tonights iso install ?
[02:15] <cbx33> yes
[02:15] <ogra> that was fixed ages ago ...
[02:15] <ogra> crap
[02:15] <pips1> looking at the folder's properties, I see that it is in the group 'sysadmin' and others 'none'...
[02:15] <cbx33> also there was a bug in pessulus
[02:15] <cbx33> but I have that fixed now
[02:15] <cbx33> it is being uploaded as we speak
[02:16] <pips1> ok, I will set others to ...access files
[02:16] <cbx33> for some reason a module of mine was nt being copied....but it's fixed by seb128
[02:16] <ogra> yep, saw taht
[02:16] <cbx33> sorry about the sound issue dude
[02:16] <pips1> oh, that doesn't work recursively...
[02:16] <cbx33> also...the progres bar on the client machine ...only goes 20% of the way...and then goes to X....it's not a biggie just an asthetic thing
[02:16] <cbx33> apart from that things seem good
[02:16] <cbx33> SCP works great
[02:17] <cbx33> as far as I can tell
[02:17] <cbx33> I starte programs kill logins etc
[02:17] <ogra> can you upload the output of:
[02:17] <ogra> grep esd /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm
[02:17] <ogra> to a pastebin or something
[02:17] <pips1> how bizarre, clicking on 'apply permissions to enclosed files' only works on the subfolders, but not on any contained files?! 
[02:17] <ogra> cbx33, you are surely not using tonights iso 
[02:18] <ogra> the progressbar thing was also fixed a week ago or so
[02:18] <cbx33> hmm...
[02:18] <cbx33> i downloaded curent...
[02:18] <cbx33> lemme just check the volume label
[02:19] <ogra> sounds rather like a failed rsync or something ... i'm definately sure about the progressbar thing 
[02:19] <cbx33> no i download my isos directly
[02:19] <cbx33> Release file Date Wed 11 23:16:12 UTC
[02:20] <cbx33> I never rsync at work, cos I can't
[02:20] <cbx33> I'm sorry I have to go help teach access....*shudder*
[02:21] <cbx33> I'll be back so you can instruct me
[02:21] <pips1> ogra, there doesn't seem to be an easy way with nautilus to set permissions for files in a folder recursively to a certain setting, could that be so?
[02:21] <ogra> no idea, i never tried it :)
[02:21] <pips1> right
[02:21] <pips1> what channel would be best to quickly ask about this? 
[02:22] <pips1> a gnome specific one?
[02:22] <cbx33> bbl ogra 
[02:23] <pips1> ack, the sound is only playing on the server :(
[02:23] <pips1> ???
[02:23] <cbx33> ok I'm back for a few minutes
[02:23] <cbx33> pips1: really?
[02:23] <pips1> yep
[02:24] <cbx33> ogra: you still want that pastebin?
[02:24] <ogra> pips1, even with the workaround i gave you ?
[02:24] <ogra> cbx33, yes
[02:24] <pips1> workaround?
[02:24] <cbx33> getting it no
[02:24] <pips1> ah
[02:26] <cbx33> http://pastebin.ca/199251
[02:26] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[02:27] <cbx33> ogra: is that ok?
[02:27] <ogra> cbx33, hmm, that code is correct
[02:27] <ogra> i wonder why it works here
[02:27] <cbx33> well i can assure you only the first user to log onto a client gets sound
[02:27] <cbx33> and only that user
[02:27] <ogra> even on my new install from 30min ago it worked fine
[02:27] <cbx33> they can log on multiple times after that
[02:28] <cbx33> and get sound
[02:28] <ogra> and you did never log in with any of these users directly on the server ? 
[02:28] <cbx33> i did login with one of them
[02:28] <ogra> there is a bug in the gstreame autosink it seems that sets the defasult sink to alsa forcefully if you log in on the server
[02:28] <cbx33> hmm...
[02:28] <cbx33> ok here it is...thw lowdown
[02:28] <ogra> set them both to esd and try again
[02:29] <ogra> i think i'll force it to esd if pitti doesnt react on my poking
[02:29] <cbx33> I log on as pete onto server......Ilogon as john on a client...I get sound...log in as pete on client I don;t get sound.....login as jonh...I get sound....reboot client  machine...and repeat but login as pete first...and he getse sound
[02:29] <ogra> if that solves it, please file abug 
[02:29] <cbx33> ok
[02:29] <cbx33> I'll try that
[02:29] <ogra> did you make the change i asked for ?
[02:30] <ogra> dont log in on the server
[02:30] <pips1> ogra: I checked System > Sound Preferences > tab Sound and see that the checkbox for 'Enable software sound mixing (ESD)' is enabled. Is that what you were talking about?
[02:30] <willvdl> cbx33, why not jsut change your name to Mike?
[02:30] <cbx33> ARGH !
[02:30] <cbx33> too many people...
[02:30] <cbx33> 1) ogra why not login to the server?
[02:30] <ogra> pips1, please use gstreamer-properties
[02:30] <pips1> oki
[02:30] <cbx33> 2) ogra change what to esd? - int that file?
[02:31] <ogra> cbx33, because of what i explained three times in the last 20mins
[02:31] <cbx33> 3) because my name is pete not mike
[02:31] <cbx33> ok ogra sorry dude...I've been in and out of the room
[02:31] <cbx33> I have to go and help teach access in a few minutes
[02:31] <cbx33> sorry
[02:31] <ogra> cbx33, 2) run gstreamer-properties and change the default output sink to esd
[02:31] <cbx33> I'm going as fast as I can
[02:31] <cbx33> rihgt...ok
[02:32] <pips1> oh oh, the keyboard on the thin client defaults to US...
[02:32] <pips1> I need de_CH
[02:33] <ogra> sure, it always did
[02:33] <ogra> you need to set that in lts.conf as usual
[02:33] <pips1> right, no wonderful automagic there yet :)
[02:33] <ogra> or in the gnome keaboard props
[02:33] <ogra> not yet
[02:33] <ogra> i'll let it default to the servers keymap in the next release
[02:34] <ogra> even though thats not ideal either
[02:34] <pips1> so I can set a default for all clients in lts.conf and configure them individually using the gnome keyboard property?
[02:34] <ogra> you can also set a default for every single client in lts.conf
[02:34] <pips1> ok
[02:34] <ogra> we just dont set any global defaults
[02:35] <ogra> see /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/
[02:35] <ogra> it has an example file for that
[02:35] <cbx33> was gstereamer properties suppsoed to be run as root?
[02:35] <ogra> no
[02:35] <cbx33> ok....did I need to reboot my server?
[02:35] <ogra> just run it from alt-f2
[02:35] <cbx33> I'll do it anyway to make sure
[02:35] <ogra> nop
[02:36] <cbx33> well it didn't affect it
[02:36] <ogra> it should work immediately
[02:36] <cbx33> lemme try something
[02:36] <ogra> log out and in again
[02:36] <cbx33> ok
[02:36] <cbx33> for just that user or all users?
[02:36] <ogra> please dont try extra stuff
[02:36] <ogra> with the user you just changed the setting for
[02:36] <cbx33> nope didn't work
[02:37] <cbx33> could not establish connection to sound server
[02:37] <cbx33> maybe there is still an esd running for something else?
[02:37] <ogra> so to get what you are doing there ... nobody is logged in to the server now, and you try to log in with a user on the client
[02:38] <cbx33> yes
[02:38] <ogra> right ?
[02:38] <ogra> ok
[02:38] <cbx33> I rebooted the client...
[02:38] <ogra> ok
[02:38] <cbx33> the first person who logs in gest sound from the onwards
[02:38] <cbx33> but squsequent other users dont
[02:38] <cbx33> lemme try something
[02:39] <cbx33> 2 ticks
[02:39] <cbx33> I must go and help teach after this
[02:40] <cbx33> then I will be back ogra I'm really sorry I have to run out....I'll bb as soon as I can
[02:40] <cbx33> yeh first user is sound enabled...any others no go
[02:41] <cbx33> those settings didn't help
[02:41] <pips1> ogra I got the lts.conf example, so now I set the value in '/usr/share/edubuntu-artwork/lts.conf' ? or where?
[02:41] <cbx33> bbl
[02:41] <ogra> cbx33, please put a  time.sleep(1) between the killall and the esd call in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm
[02:41] <cbx33> ok
[02:41] <ogra> and reboot the client
[02:41] <ogra> if that doesnt help, raise the time
[02:41] <ogra> if it still doesnt work with 5, ping me
[02:42] <ogra> pips1, /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf is the place
[02:42] <cbx33> I'll have to try that when I get back
[02:42] <ogra> sure
[02:42] <cbx33> brb 40 mins
[02:44] <pips1> erm, ls /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ doesn't have a lts.conf ?!
[02:45] <ogra> after a new install from the iso ?
[02:45] <ogra> that cant be 
[02:45] <pips1> new install amd64 and since I have only i386 clients, I ran 'sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp/amd64 && sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386'
[02:45] <ogra> aha
[02:45] <pips1> was that a mistake?
[02:46] <pips1> ??
[02:46] <ogra> you need to run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical edubuntu-artwork in this case
[02:46] <pips1> right
[02:46] <ogra> that sets the defaults for usplash, lts.conf etc 
[02:46] <pips1> didn't know that :)
[02:46] <ogra> no, its not documented yet .,.. my fault
[02:50] <pips1> hmm. sound still on server, perhaps I need to re-log in with that client
[02:50] <pips1> ?
[02:51] <pips1> ah, I forgot... I need to try setting esd in lts.conf :)
[02:51] <pips1> pardonnez moi
[02:52] <ogra> no need for that if you ran the reconfigure
[02:52] <ogra> but you need to reboot the client to read the lts.conf
[02:54] <pips1> I rebooted, sound still only on server, now I'm looking at the lts.conf file
[02:55] <pips1> So you say I should add 'SOUND-DAEMON=esd' ?
[02:55] <pips1> *SOUND_DAEMON
[02:55] <pips1> ogra: ?
[02:56] <ogra> no
[02:56] <pips1> what do you want me to try?
[02:56] <ogra> dont touch the lts.conf
[02:56] <pips1> right
[02:56] <ogra> just if the sound works ?
[02:57] <pips1> nope
[02:57] <pips1> sound is still playing on the server
[02:58] <pips1> any debugging steps I can take?
[02:59] <ogra> you rebooted the client after the reconfigure ? 
[02:59] <pips1> yep
[02:59] <ogra> and your outputsink is set to esd =
[02:59] <ogra> ?
[02:59] <pips1> hold it... I only logged the client out and logged in again, I didn't reboot the server
[03:00] <ogra> you shouldnt reboot the server
[03:00] <ogra> but the client
[03:00] <pips1> right
[03:00] <pips1> where to I see that outputsink ?
[03:00] <ogra> phew
[03:00] <ogra> hit alt-f2 
[03:00] <ogra> type gstreamer-properties into the input field
[03:01] <ogra> hit enter
[03:01] <ogra> make sure esd is selected for the audio output
[03:01] <ogra> then close it again
[03:01] <ogra> log out and in again
[03:01] <pips1> got it. it was set to Autodetect, I will now set it to esd
[03:01] <ogra> ok
[03:02] <pips1> do I need to log out the client, or should it work immediately? (sound still on server)
[03:03] <ogra> you need to log out i think
[03:03] <pips1> oh, silly me, I ran gstreamer-properties on the client instead of on the server... bear with me
[03:04] <ogra> doesnt matter
[03:04] <ogra> its counts for the user, not for the hardware
[03:04] <pips1> oh it doesn't?
[03:05] <pips1> ack, still only sound on server
[03:05] <pips1> (I re-logged in)
[03:05] <pips1> :(
[03:08] <ogra> hmm, thats weird, but the lts.conf is in place, right ?
[03:09] <pips1> yes
[03:09] <ogra> and has a line SOUND=True i suppose
[03:10] <pips1> lts.conf has only five properties defined, but I guess they are as you set them
[03:10] <ogra> right 
[03:10] <ogra> and you rebooted the client with it in place
[03:10] <pips1> yes
[03:10] <ogra> and the user has the esdsink selected 
[03:11] <pips1> how do I know that?
[03:11] <ogra> and you didnt change *any* other sound related properties
 hit alt-f2 
 type gstreamer-properties into the input field
 hit enter
 make sure esd is selected for the audio output
 then close it again
 log out and in again
[03:13] <pips1> esd *is* selected for audio output. If i click the test button, the sound plays on the server's speakers. I will now try to reboot the client once more and try sound once more. but sound doesn't seem to work on the client as it should. :-/
[03:13] <pips1> no go :(
[03:14] <ogra> you are not logged in on the server as i asked in the beginning, right ?`
[03:14] <pips1> and, yes, I didn't change any sound settings anywhere else
[03:15] <pips1> I *am* logged in on the server with the initial user, but I never logged in with any other (test) user
[03:15] <ogra> ok, but you didnt use that user for testing anywhere
[03:15] <pips1> do I need to logout the initial user on the server?
[03:15] <ogra> (the initial one, while you were logged in on the server)
[03:15] <ogra> if you test with it
[03:16] <ogra> if you are logged in with the same user on the server, how should the sound be redirected if the system always sees you locally
[03:16] <pips1> oh, well, yes I think I *did* open a sound file with the initial user on the server, if that's what you are asking
[03:16] <ogra> no, i'm asking that you dont lkog in twice
[03:17] <pips1> no, I never logged in twice
[03:17] <ogra> dont touch the server now ... and do everything ysou do only from the client
[03:17] <ogra> (and be sure to be logged out on the server)
[03:18] <pips1> however, since we are really trying to get this clear: I *did boot* the thin client before I had created the additional users (test1 and test2). 
[03:18] <ogra> i think you rebooted it after the reconfigure of edubuntu-artwork ?
[03:18] <ogra> else sound cant work
[03:18] <ogra> as i said, the client only reads the lts.conf at boot
[03:18] <pips1> yes, I rebooted the client, but I never rebooted the server
[03:19] <pips1> ok, so I will log out of the server with the initial user (sysadmin) now.
[03:19] <pips1> just to be sure that I don't accidently mix up what I am doing
[03:19] <pips1> right
[03:20] <pips1> I just ran history on the server, to double check what I did on the server
[03:22] <pips1> hmm, I see 1 cd /opt/ltsp/i386/etc 2 ls 3 sudo dkpg-reconfigure -pcritical edubuntu-artwork 4 ls ...
[03:24] <pips1> ok, I can confirm 100% that I did all the steps as you told me to try them.
[03:30] <cbx33> ok ogra I'm here
[03:30] <cbx33> where are we?
[03:30] <cbx33> still need me toadd those lines?
[03:31] <pips1> cbx33: sound is always only on the server for me :(
[03:32] <ogra> pips1, youre doing something wrong ... sadly i dont know what and have no time to discuss that  further ... i need to get the last package fixes done and the usplash progress is giving me a hard time
[03:32] <cbx33> sorry ogra - did you confirm it's broken
[03:32] <pips1> ogra: i see
[03:32] <ogra> cbx33, waiting for your test
[03:33] <pips1> ogra: Is there anything else in particular i can test?
[03:34] <cbx33> ogra: no i meant the progress bar
[03:35] <pips1> should the usb stick automount on the client?
[03:35] <ogra> cbx33, i wouldnt put my last minues before the freeze into it if it werent
[03:36] <cbx33> sorry ogra 
[03:36] <cbx33> I'm reboot client to test
[03:36] <pips1> cbx33: I can tell ogra is pressed for time, but maybe you answer me?
[03:37] <cbx33> pips1: I'm not sure about what is wrong
[03:37] <cbx33> I have to test this...then I have to go help teach something else
[03:37] <pips1> cbx33: if I plug in a usb stick on the client, should it show up on the client's desktop automatically? 
[03:37] <ogra> yes
[03:37] <cbx33> yes
[03:38] <pips1> hmm, it doesn't
[03:38] <ogra> if you followed the setps that are decribed in the testing doc
[03:38] <pips1> oh? I am meant to follow the steps you outlined earlier for the flight3 ... ?!
[03:39] <pips1> ic
[03:39] <ogra> the ones i pasted to the meeting yesterday
[03:39] <cbx33> nope ogra sleep 5 didn't work
[03:39] <cbx33> or time.sleep(5) didn't work
[03:41] <pips1> heck this is chaotic :) and yesterday's meeting was a particularily fun chaos :)
[03:42] <ogra> cbx33, and the other ones ?
[03:42] <cbx33> hang on
[03:42] <cbx33> just testing
[03:44] <pips1> ogra I'm sorry i now see I completely missed out on the testing guide (add user to fuse group etc). sorry, I'm now on the ball
[03:44] <ogra> pips1, but i suspect your prob lies elsewhere ... it seems to me that your lts.conf isnt read at all
[03:45] <cbx33> also sometimes I get the hdd pop up
[03:45] <cbx33> some times I dont
[03:45] <cbx33> on the desktop
[03:46] <cbx33> trying sleep1 now
[03:46] <cbx33> nope still no sound
[03:46] <cbx33> could it be it's not killing it?
[03:46] <ogra> weird
[03:46] <ogra> i cant reproduce it 
[03:46] <pips1> general question, should I upgrade the system, or should I keep a "pure direct cd install" test environment?
[03:46] <ogra> works fine on two different clients here
[03:47] <ogra> doesnt matter 
[03:47] <cbx33> ok
[03:47] <cbx33> there are 3 esd processes running
[03:47] <cbx33> when I am logged in
[03:47] <cbx33> is that ok?
[03:48] <sbalneav> Morning all!
[03:49] <cbx33> ok ogra some strangeness
[03:49] <ogra> ?
[03:50] <cbx33> on the user who sound works....has no personal esd process running
[03:50] <ogra> there should be *no* esd running *at all*
[03:50] <cbx33> there are two root owned esd ones running
[03:50] <cbx33> can I try rebooting the server
[03:50] <ogra> where do these come from ? 
[03:50] <cbx33> I don;t know
[03:50] <ogra> there is nothing that could start an esd process as root
[03:51] <ogra> (you are talking about the server, right ?)
[03:51] <cbx33> root : : : /bin/sh -c /usr/bin/esd -terminate -nobeeps -as 1 -spawnfd 20
[03:51] <Amaranth> unless they've been reparented you can see who started them
[03:51] <ogra> ok, you somehow managed to start esd as root on the server, indeed that wont work
[03:51] <Amaranth> i don't know how with ps though
[03:52] <cbx33> and root : : : /usr/bin/esd -terminate -no beeps -as 1 -spwaenfd 20
[03:52] <cbx33> ogra: I did nothing
[03:52] <cbx33> I'm gonnareboot the server to see if that fixes
[03:52] <ogra> it will
[03:52] <sbalneav> Morning ogra, did the install last night, things seemed to work well.
[03:52] <ogra> sbalneav, seems to me as well :)
[03:53] <Amaranth> cbx33: ps axjf
[03:53] <cbx33> rebooting 
[03:53] <cbx33> give me a tick
[03:53] <Amaranth> wait, no
[03:53] <ogra> i did an amd64 install with i386 chroot tofday, worked also fine
[03:53] <Amaranth> run that, see if it shows who started esd
[03:53] <ogra> apart from that darn progressbar issue and the new splash screen it should be final
[03:53] <pips1> ogra: adding the test1 user to the 'fuse' group didn't enable the localdevices on thin client for me :-/ so there most be something strangely wrong with my setup. Did you test a amd64-server i386-client setup yourself?
[03:53] <cbx33> nice
[03:54] <ogra> pips1, yes
[03:54] <pips1> right
[03:54] <ogra> exactly what you have there
[03:54] <sbalneav> pips1: Did you log out and log in again?
[03:54] <pips1> on the positive side, SCP works 
[03:54] <cbx33> indeed
[03:54] <cbx33> pessulus will work too sooon
[03:54] <cbx33> seb128 uploaded the fix 
[03:54] <pips1> sbalneav: do you mean on the client?
[03:54] <ogra> sbalneav, i think his lts.conf isnt read for some obscure reason
[03:55] <pips1> ogra: should i try to reboot the server and re-test? 
[03:55] <ogra> that shouldnt chqange anything, but try it
[03:55] <pips1> ok, I will 
[03:56] <sbalneav> pips1: yes, on the client.  Adding yourself to a group only gets picked up at login time.  Longstanding "feature" of Unix :)
[03:57] <pips1> sbalneav: yes, I did re-login on the client but the usb stick still isn't automounted... ogra suspects that my lts.conf isn't read and that affects both the localdev and client-sound, I take it
[03:57] <cbx33> ok ogra now there are no esd processes running at all
[03:58] <ogra> great
[03:58] <ogra> thats how it should be
[03:58] <cbx33> but I still have the same problem
[03:58] <ogra> cbx33, all users you try with use the esdsink now ?
[03:58] <cbx33> ok
[03:58] <cbx33> ok here ths deal
[03:58] <ogra> ?
[03:58] <cbx33> when I login as me...ie the first account created
[03:58] <cbx33> it started an esd process
[03:59] <ogra> if you log in on the server ---
[03:59] <cbx33> and it seems to randomly start home nautilus windows...
[03:59] <cbx33> nope on a client
[03:59] <cbx33> I am logged in on a tty....
[03:59] <ogra> please
[03:59] <cbx33> so i could check processes
[04:00] <ogra> how do you know it started an esd process ?
[04:00] <cbx33> cos I'm logged in on the servero na tty is that still bad?
[04:01] <cbx33> and I just tried another user....this is still an issue
[04:01] <ogra> it started an esd when you logged in from a client to the server *on* the server ?
[04:01] <ogra> thats impossible 
[04:01] <cbx33> it started an esd when I logged in fro ma client to the server on the server
[04:01] <ogra> there is nothing that could do this
[04:02] <cbx33> dude I just logged in as jom....on the client machine
[04:02] <ogra> you did play with your sound settings i suppose
[04:02] <cbx33> no
[04:02] <cbx33> part from the gstreamer....and this user hasn't had that setting altered yet
[04:02] <cbx33> like you told me to
[04:03] <ogra> i told <you '(several times) to please add *all* users to the esdsink+
[04:03] <cbx33> ok....
[04:03] <cbx33> I jave now logged in as all users 
[04:03] <cbx33> and change the gstreamer-properties
[04:03] <cbx33> acutally you told me to do it for the current user and to log in and out again
[04:03] <ogra> and dont use the server at all please
[04:03] <cbx33> ok
[04:03] <cbx33> I'll reboot
[04:04] <pips1> hurrayy, rebooting the server fixed the sound and localdevices issues :D
[04:04] <pips1> everything working fine :)
[04:04] <ogra> cool
[04:04] <cbx33> tried multiple users?
[04:05] <pips1> (haven't tested cbx33's problem though)
[04:05] <cbx33> ok
[04:05] <ogra> i still dont understand what was the prob though
[04:05] <jsgotangco> hey all
[04:05] <pips1> hey jsgotangco
[04:05] <jsgotangco> yo! what's up?
[04:05] <pips1> you arrive in the midst of the usual freeze testing fixing frenzy :)
[04:05] <cbx33> heheh
[04:06] <jsgotangco> pips1: that's a good thing, i just installed the latest build
[04:06] <pips1> what arch? amd64 right?
[04:06] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:06] <cbx33> jsgotangco: do you hve an ltsp setup to test ?
[04:07] <pips1> and *two* clients to test with?
[04:07] <jsgotangco> i only have 1 amd64 box and 1 i386 laptop
[04:07] <jsgotangco> we could try vmware since it can pxe
[04:07] <cbx33> ARGH
[04:08] <cbx33> ogra....can i login on a tty to update sshkeys?
[04:08] <cbx33> if not I'll log int and set static and reboot again
[04:08] <ogra> sure
[04:08] <jsgotangco> yes you can
[04:08] <pips1> cbx33 has a wierd issue with sound playing on server for the second client user
[04:09] <ogra> well, he has a problem with esd starting on the server where it shouldnt rather
[04:10] <pips1> I also just discovered a wierd sound issue: system sound and sound files in /home play on the client speakers fine, but if I play a sound file from a mounted usb stick on the client, that sound plays on the *server's* speakers 
[04:10] <cbx33> ok ogra
[04:10] <cbx33> it is starting esd on the server
[04:10] <cbx33> on the second login
[04:10] <cbx33> it starts an esd server
[04:11] <pips1> ogra: did you ever test playing a sound directly from a client-mounted usb stick?
[04:11] <ogra> so just find out what "it" is
[04:11] <ogra> pips1, i'm listening to my music collection through RB on a client from a usbdisk
[04:12] <pips1> right :)
[04:12] <pips1> strange that it doesn't work for me
[04:12] <cbx33> ogra: if you want to just call my machines stupid and be done with it that's fine....I have about 15-45 minutes left here
[04:12] <cbx33> then I have to go home
[04:12] <ogra> pips1, what happens ?
[04:13] <ogra> cbx33, kill the esd on the server 
[04:13] <cbx33> ok
[04:13] <ogra> you must have set something that starts esd
[04:14] <cbx33> dude this is a fresh install....I have done nothing apart from what I told you
[04:14] <pips1> ok, I might have been confused, sound now plays on the thin client regardless
[04:14] <cbx33> but that's fine
[04:14] <cbx33> I can't try testing again till monday
[04:15] <jsgotangco> ah! the passion! the drama!
[04:15] <pips1> hehe
[04:15] <pips1> ROFL
[04:15] <cbx33> I'm not getting stressy
[04:15] <pips1> I just love the humour :D
[04:16] <cbx33> jsgotangco: and pips1 are being mean
[04:16] <jsgotangco> cbx33: don't worry, we've all experienced that before ;_
[04:16] <jsgotangco> ;)
[04:16] <cbx33> Sir Sir.....they're picking on me
[04:17] <jsgotangco> you've never seen ogra really pissed ;)
[04:17] <pips1> you have?
[04:18] <cbx33> I don;t want to either.....which is why I'm desperately tryin to help fix it....what I was saying was...if my machiens seem to be a funny case.....we can ignore them
[04:18] <jsgotangco> pips1: sure
[04:18] <jsgotangco> pips1: ive seen him in his underpants as well
[04:18] <pips1> he sometimes get's a little confused what he told who in what channel :) but I have never seen him loose his temper
[04:18] <jsgotangco> so did 50+ people in paris
[04:19] <pips1> hehe
[04:20] <pips1> ogra, sbalneav and all you ltsp wizzes, I just wanted to say congrats to the localdev and sound, really cool
[04:21] <ogra> thanks :)
[04:21] <sbalneav> NP
[04:21] <sbalneav> We aim to please :)
[04:21] <cbx33> I was so impressed when my client booted with sound
[04:21] <cbx33> then i logged in as a different user and it didn';t work :(
[04:21] <cbx33> but i think my machines are stupid
[04:22] <sbalneav> esd is old and cranky.  We will be replacing it with something new, shiny and blingy.
[04:22] <pips1> ok cbx33, I'll give it a go here too, what do I need to do to reproduce your problem?
[04:22] <ogra> but still there is no reason why your server should start an esd 
[04:22] <cbx33> ok
[04:22] <cbx33> login
[04:22] <cbx33> with one user
[04:22] <cbx33> on the licnet....
[04:22] <pips1> ok done
[04:23] <ogra> pips1, add another user
[04:23] <cbx33> then log out...and login as a nother user
[04:23] <cbx33> see what happens
[04:23] <ogra> log in with it and see if sound works
[04:23] <pips1> oh, I don't need to actually have two clients logged in at the same time to reproduce the issue?
[04:23] <cbx33> nope
[04:23] <cbx33> i don't even have 2 clients
[04:23] <cbx33> not at the mo
[04:23] <pips1> ic
[04:23] <cbx33> I could have on monday
[04:23] <jsgotangco> try vmware
[04:24] <cbx33> no sound on vmware
[04:24] <jsgotangco> i could do cross arch setup later but i dont think thats what you guys need
[04:24] <ogra> well, and how would you decide if the sound comes out of the client or the server ?
[04:24] <ogra> (in vmware)
[04:24] <pips1> heh, no sound for the second client here too
[04:25] <ogra> i did a cross arch setup and pips1 did one as well
[04:25] <cbx33> I'm not stupid
[04:25] <cbx33> w00t
[04:25] <jsgotangco> cbx33: who said you are?
[04:25] <ogra> pips1, set the gstreakmer sink
[04:25] <cbx33> pips1: now load terminal
[04:25] <ogra> no
[04:25] <cbx33> and do a ps aux | grep esd
[04:25] <ogra> please only< set the gstreamer sink and dont touch anything else
[04:25] <pips1> ack, the system sound didn't play at all, then, if I play a sound file in /home, it plays on the server speakers ?!
[04:26] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:26] <pips1> so I seem to be able to confirm cbx33's findings
[04:26] <ogra> *SIGH*
[04:27] <pips1> darn, those that mean I *shouldn't* have tried to play that sound file in /home? ogra?
[04:27] <pips1> ack he's cut off
[04:27] <cbx33> now we've done it
[04:27] <pips1> hehe
[04:28] <pips1> ok, now i set the gestreamer sind to esd
[04:28] <cbx33> can you just check that erminal for me
[04:28] <pips1> so I now need to re-login with that second user, right?
[04:30] <pips1> erm, cbx33, there seems to be a disagreement from ogra as to what the exact steps are to debug this :)
[04:30] <pips1> wb
[04:30] <pips1> I'll repost what I said
[04:30] <pips1> darn, those that mean I *shouldn't* have tried to play that sound file in /home? ogra?
[04:31] <pips1> ok, now i set the gestreamer sink to esd
[04:31] <pips1> so I now need to re-login with that second user, right?
[04:31] <ogra> i wanted a clean environment where the gstreamer autodetection was touched beforew
[04:31] <ogra> and you should set the properties to esdsink
[04:31] <pips1> wasn't you mean
[04:31] <ogra> then log in again
[04:32] <ogra> there is a known bug with gstreamer i try to hunt down
[04:32] <pips1> ic
[04:32] <pips1> ok I re-login now and report..
[04:32] <cbx33> I wish I understood this whole gstreamer esd thing...I could help instead of hinder then
[04:33] <pips1> same here
[04:33] <ogra> esd is your "sounddevice" gstreamer sits above it in the stack ...
[04:33] <pips1> ok, I set the sink to esd, re-logged in as user test2 and again, I didn't get the system sound. what next?
[04:34] <ogra> does any esd run on your system ?
[04:34] <pips1> what ps grep do I need to do?
[04:34] <pips1> what am I grepping for?
[04:34] <ogra> esd
[04:35] <pips1> and I do the ps on the client, right?
[04:35] <pips1> ack, US keyboard layout... bear with me
[04:36] <ogra> just set it in gnome
[04:38] <pips1> I always keep getting confused about the the options for 'ps' on liunx vs. unix... what do I use? 'ps -aux' or 'ps ex' or ?
[04:38] <ogra> ax
[04:38] <ogra> should be fine to see it
[04:38] <pips1> thanks
[04:39] <pips1> I see two processes /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
[04:40] <ogra> try with aux
[04:40] <ogra> which user owns them
[04:40] <ogra> ?
[04:40] <pips1> test2 user
[04:41] <ogra> thats the user you are logged in with atm ?
[04:41] <pips1> yes
[04:41] <ogra> type: env
[04:41] <ogra> in the terminal
[04:41] <ogra> and look if ESPEAKER is set
[04:41] <ogra> like that_
[04:41] <ogra> ESPEAKER=192.168.0.248:16001
[04:42] <pips1> ESPEAKER=192.168.0.250:16001
[04:42] <pips1> :)
[04:42] <ogra> right
[04:42] <ogra> ok, lets set a rootpw on the client
[04:42] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt7ltsp/i386 passwd
[04:42] <ogra> err
[04:42] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
[04:42] <ogra> (will ask for the sudo PW first)
[04:43] <pips1> sudo pw for test2, right?
[04:43] <cbx33> ogra: are we getting closer?
[04:43] <ogra> if thats a sudo user, yes
[04:43] <cbx33> sorry had to duck out
[04:43] <pips1> huh? 
[04:44] <ogra> well, did you make test2 an admin while creting that user ?
[04:44] <ogra> else he wont be able to sudo
[04:44] <pips1> I tried the initial user password first and I got "Sorry, try again", then I tried the test2 password and i got the command line.
[04:45] <ogra> is this user an admin or not ?
[04:45] <pips1> no
[04:45] <ogra> so use an admin :)
[04:45] <pips1> I tried the initial user password, but i must have mistyped it
[04:45] <ogra> just change the user in the terminal with su 
[04:45] <ogra> to bewcome the admin user
[04:45] <ogra> then set the root pw
[04:46] <cbx33> ogra: don't you have to "unlock" the root account first
[04:46] <cbx33> or does changing password unlock it?
[04:47] <pips1> sorry
[04:47] <ogra> locking means disabling the pw
[04:47] <pips1> is there a way I can start over again with this password change thing?
[04:47] <pips1> ogra 
[04:48] <pips1> give me the steps and I will do them 1:+
[04:48] <pips1> *1:1
[04:48] <ogra> pips1, you didnt change anythin if you are not the admin
[04:48] <ogra> use su
[04:48] <ogra> to become the admin in your gnome-terminal
[04:48] <ogra> no
[04:48] <ogra> su <adminusernam>
[04:48] <pips1> so what?
[04:48] <pips1> ah
[04:49] <ogra> then give the pw for that user and you become him
[04:49] <pips1> ok done
[04:49] <ogra> then: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
[04:49] <ogra> give the sudo pw (of that user) and tape "root" two times or another trivial pw
[04:49] <ogra> *type
[04:49] <cbx33> i have to go...I'll be back later
[04:49] <cbx33> sorry
[04:50] <pips1> cu cbx33
[04:50] <ogra> it should quit with "password accepted" or something
[04:50] <pips1> by "give the sudo pw (of that user)" you mean I need to enter the initial user password in?
[04:50] <ogra> no
[04:50] <pips1> which one then?
[04:51] <ogra> the one of <adminusernam>
[04:51] <ogra> the *sudo* user
[04:51] <pips1> isn't the initial user = adminusername, in my case (I named the initial user "sysadmin" btw)
[04:52] <ogra> then you should be sysadmin atm and use hois pw
[04:53] <pips1> ok, I entered that password, and strangly, got "sudo: /opt/ltsp/i386/: command not found"
[04:53] <ogra> err
[04:53] <pips1> whoami
[04:53] <pips1> sysadmin
[04:53] <ogra> chroot ?
[04:53] <pips1> I should type "chroot"?
 sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
 (will ask for the sudo PW first)
 sudo pw for test2, right?
[04:54] <pips1> ahhh, ok, getting there
[04:55] <pips1> ok, the password is now changed 
[04:55] <pips1> what next?
[04:56] <ogra> ctrl-alt-f1 and log in as root
[04:57] <pips1> erm, to make sure, what do you mean by root? 'root' or 'sysadmin' ?
[04:57] <ogra> root
[04:57] <pips1> ok
[04:57] <ogra> with the password you just set
[04:57] <pips1> ok done
[04:57] <ogra> ps ax|grep esd
[04:58] <cbx333> ok how goes it people
[04:58] <pips1> oh, US keyboard, where is the pipe symbol?
[04:58] <jsgotangco> ahhh 
[04:58] <cbx333> # pips1
[04:58] <cbx333> shift #
[04:59] <pips1> this is a comedy show!
[04:59] <jsgotangco> you say you're in a car how are you connected? 3G?
[04:59] <cbx33> GPRS
[05:00] <jsgotangco> ekkk
[05:00] <jsgotangco> dude
[05:00] <cbx33> this is my last free month :(
[05:00] <jsgotangco> CHILL
[05:00] <pips1> ogra: that ps returns nothing, so it looks as esd process isn't running
[05:00] <cbx33> I have to know about this esd issue.....
[05:00] <jsgotangco> you'll never know about it when you crash your car while surfing the net
[05:00] <cbx33> yeh....like I'm driving
[05:01] <cbx33> I'm in the back ;)
[05:01] <jsgotangco> crazy
[05:01] <cbx33> I'm just a passenger
[05:01] <pips1> hehe cbx33 you got jsgotangco there :)
[05:01] <jsgotangco> well im so used to driving a car, i'm not usually a passenger ;)
[05:01] <ogra> pips1, no esd running at all on the client ?
[05:01] <ogra> hmm
[05:01] <cbx33> heheh
[05:02] <cbx33> I can drive...just not legally
[05:02] <ogra> can you lofg out in X and relogin as the user who had sound ?
[05:02] <ogra> and check if there is an esd process then ?
[05:03] <pips1> ogra:  correction: I redid the ps... there *are* two eds processes running, owned by root
[05:03] <cbx33> on machine...there was no esd if they had sound...and an esd if they didn't
[05:03] <cbx33> pips1: yeh i had that once too
[05:03] <ogra> pips1, on the client ?
[05:04] <ogra> that cant be 
[05:04] <ogra> technically ... 
[05:04] <pips1> erm, I'm on terminal f1 and as root, did 'ps aux | grep "esd" and I gives me two esd processes running as root
[05:04] <pips1> on the client
[05:05] <ogra> can you copy the exact oputput of the px/grep ?
[05:05] <ogra> i have a meeting now
[05:05] <cbx33> ogra: I'm sorry I can't test again today
[05:05] <pips1> well, yes, i need to copy it manually by typing it hold on
[05:06] <cbx33> I can test monday but not sure that's any good to you
[05:08] <pips1> root     3487    0.0 0.6    4952   3540 ?    SL 14:02   0:00 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps -public -tcp
[05:08] <pips1> root     3533    0.0 0.0    3032    500 ?    Ss 14:02   0:00 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps -public -tcp
[05:09] <ogra> hmm
[05:09] <ogra> ls -al /tmp please
[05:16] <pips1> ogra, here we go: (not sure if i typed everything 100% correct)
[05:16] <pips1> total 12
[05:16] <pips1> drwxrwxrwt  3 root root   140 Oct 12 14:33 .
[05:16] <pips1> drwxr-xr-x 20 root root  4096 Oct 12 11:01 
[05:16] <pips1> drwxrwxrwt  2 root root    80 Oct 12 14:32 .X11-unix
[05:16] <pips1> -r--r--r--  1 root root    11 Oct 12 14:32 .X6-lock
[05:16] <pips1> srw-------  1 root root     0 Oct 12 14:32 .ltspfs-socket
[05:16] <pips1> srw-rw----  1 root audio    0 Oct 12 14:02 alsa-dmix-3487-1160661740-878282
[05:16] <pips1> -rw-------  1 root root    60 Oct 12 14:33 tmp0Gvy0E
[05:18] <ogra> that wont help you in the client console
[05:19] <pips1> ah, I didn't realised that
[05:19] <pips1> can't i use a normal gnome terminal though?
[05:20] <ogra> on the client ?
[05:20] <ogra> no
[05:20] <pips1> oh
[05:21] <ogra> as you might have noticed there is no X running on your tty1 on the client
[05:21] <ogra> how should a gnome terminal work there ?
[05:21] <pips1> but can i use tty7
[05:21] <pips1> ?
[05:21] <pips1> *can't 
[05:21] <ogra> tty7 is your session on the server
[05:21] <pips1> what is tty1 ?
[05:22] <pips1> isn't that also a session on the server?
[05:22] <ogra> obviously not
[05:22] <pips1> not a gome session, but a terminal session nevertheless?
[05:22] <ogra> its your client os
[05:23] <pips1> but the "client os" is running on the server... in the chroot, no?
[05:23] <ogra> no
[05:24] <pips1> ah, 
[05:24] <ogra> its running on the client
[05:24] <pips1> there is a kernel running in the memory of my thin client?
[05:25] <ogra> how else shoudl your client work ...
[05:26] <pips1> right
[05:26] <pips1> is the thin client running an x server or not?
[05:27] <pips1> ah no, it isn't. x is running on the server, right
[05:27] <ogra> no
[05:31] <ogra> no, sorry i'm rather busy following the meeting
[05:31] <pips1> yeah, I figured
[06:05] <RichEd> pips1: ping to msg window ... need some quick background please
[06:15] <LaserJock> RichEd: cool, thanks for the info on the Education Summit
[06:16] <RichEd> great ... mark is very keen to make it a success ... so it is not a cap in hand request from education ... will be soliciting input on agenda and people to invite soon.
[06:16] <LaserJock> are you looking for people from all over?
[06:17] <tideline> Sorry to come in late, where is the conference you all are talking about?
[06:17] <LaserJock> or targeting a particular country or sector of the educational world?
[06:18] <LaserJock> probably not set yet, it's down the road yet
[06:18] <jsgotangco> edu summit?
[06:18] <tideline> jsgotangco, yes
[06:19] <RichEd> Yep ... this is one of those threads that perk up interest & rumourz so let me explain !
[06:19] <jsgotangco> is edubuntucon 2 in the works?
[06:20] <RichEd> ogra has wanted an education summit for some time. I have also supported that. Mark has agreed that we will host an Ubuntu and Education summit in Q2 2007.
[06:20] <jsgotangco> that's nice hopefully i can still walk by then, after doing this thing at work
[06:21] <RichEd> Specs for Edgy+1 will be thrashed out at Mountain View in November, with input from the education community.
[06:22] <RichEd> Ubuntu and Education summit in Q2 2007 will have a strong *education flavour*. That does not mean it will be non-techncial, but the technical aspects will not dominate the education discussions. 
[06:22] <jsgotangco> that's nice to know
[06:22] <RichEd> Technical Development will be discussed at the next UDS ... which will probably be just after the Ubuntu and Education summit in Q2 2007.
[06:23] <RichEd> This is early news, and things are not set in stone. Please note that lots of input is required from ogra before we cast anything in stone !
[06:24] <ogra> really ?
[06:24] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:24] <ogra> for the edu conf ?
[06:24] <tideline> is there a tentative location?
[06:24] <RichEd> nope ... 
[06:24] <jsgotangco> well like i said, im not from the edu sector, i have no clue at all
[06:25] <LaserJock> hehe
[06:25] <sbalneav> ogra: Hey, quick question!
[06:26] <RichEd> Just an agreement from sabdfl that we need it and he supports it, and a rough time Q2 2007. So no futher rumours or bunfights please :) We'll probably bounce ideas around in edubuntu meeting to take to MV. After MV the picgture will become cleaerer.
[06:26] <LaserJock> I was hoping to give ogra moral support for that, but I don't know how many conferences I can get away with work-wise
[06:26] <sbalneav> I just got a blingy new server here: IBM x3850
[06:26] <RichEd> *picture
[06:26] <sbalneav> 2 dual core hyperthreaded xenons.
[06:26] <sbalneav> 8 gigs of ram
[06:26] <sbalneav> It only sees 3 :)
[06:26] <jsgotangco> RichEd: heck just do it over here, i could even provide you television coverage ;)
[06:27] <sbalneav> mem=xxxxxxxx on the grub boot line?
[06:27] <ogra> sbalneav, hmm, you probably need the bigiron kernel
[06:27] <sbalneav> Ohhh
[06:27] <ogra> but that has no preempt set ... 
[06:27] <sbalneav> bigiron kernel?
[06:27] <sbalneav> Do tell
[06:27] <ogra> which is bad if you want it as ltsp server
[06:27] <RichEd> jsgotangco: it will need to dovetail into UDS so the location will be the same or close. No significant travel for people doing the two in a row.
[06:27] <jsgotangco> RichEd: just for consideration, though, we are very well connected in the region ;)
[06:27] <sbalneav> Nah, it'll be a database server.
[06:28] <ogra> apt-cache search bigiron
[06:28] <sbalneav> Danka
[06:28] <jsgotangco> but then, its like we're the minority here anyways ;)
[06:28] <ogra> s/a/e/ :)
[06:28] <RichEd> jsgotangco: we may need to motivate for the philippines for UDS then ... can you offer typhoon & tsunami guarantees ;)
[06:29] <jsgotangco> tsunami doesn't happen here unfortunately
[06:29] <cbx33> did we get it sorted?
[06:29] <jsgotangco> and our typhoons dont happen in Q2, too bad though
[06:30] <jsgotangco> just good weather and sunshine, which really sucks
[06:32] <cbx33> I can't believe I got so many comments on this post http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=148
[06:32] <cbx33> hehe
[06:32] <cbx33> I read an article on digg....how to get more comments on your posts
[06:32] <cbx33> heheh
[06:32] <jsgotangco> "How we could make our desktop better"
[06:33] <jsgotangco> cbx33: self promotion in digg is shameful
[06:33] <sbalneav> Denke? or danke?
[06:33] <cbx33> I just read digg
[06:33] <cbx33> I nenver post to it
[06:33] <cbx33> just thought it was intersteing...this guy said....invite people to comment....so I did and got 14 comments 
[06:34] <jsgotangco> cbx33: well people are passionate about nice things on stuff most of them have no idea how it works in the backend, unfortunately, if it shounded harsh
[06:34] <cbx33> i agree with you...hence my point about not knowing enough about it
[06:34] <cbx33> it was more of a what I would like to see.....in the future
[06:34] <cbx33> could be years away
[06:34] <jsgotangco> replacing sysinitv took almost 2 decades
[06:35] <jsgotangco> ;)
[06:35] <cbx33> indeed
[06:35] <jsgotangco> so yeah probably in the future
[06:35] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:35] <jsgotangco> by that time, my brain is already wetwired with the latest kernel
[06:35] <cbx33> heheh
[06:36] <ogra> sbalneav, danke
[06:36] <sbalneav> Got it.
[06:36] <ogra> :)
[06:36] <cbx33> ogra, did that get sorted ?
[06:36] <cbx33> the sound?
[06:50] <nixternal> well well well
[06:50] <nixternal> hiya jsgotangco!
[06:51] <jsgotangco> nixternal: hello from the asian netherlands
[06:51] <nixternal> hehe
[06:51] <nixternal> WE GOT SNOW!
[06:51] <nixternal> you miss that don't ya
[06:52] <jsgotangco> nope
[06:52] <jsgotangco> I HATE SNOW
[06:52] <nixternal> bah..snow is my favorite
[06:52] <jsgotangco> hmm isnt it too early
[06:52] <nixternal> umm..just a little
[06:52] <nixternal> i will upload pics here in a minute
[06:53] <nixternal> waiting for my updates, and then a reboot
[06:54] <jsgotangco> i never expected to download something like 300MB of updates from beta, i was only without proper access for a week and 3 days
[07:00] <nixternal> hehe
[07:00] <nixternal> this week has been an update week for sure
[07:01] <LaserJock> nixternal: I love the planet post
[07:03] <nixternal> hehe
[07:03] <nixternal> i got one guy who is a coder that is insterested in OSS...so i gave him some links, and hope he stops by
[07:03] <LaserJock> we need more of that
[07:04] <nixternal> he does C/C++, so right off the bat I grab a future KDE guy ;)
[07:04] <LaserJock> bah
[07:04] <nixternal> haha
[07:04] <nixternal> come back mr. savage
[07:04] <nixternal> cbx33 looks like my buddy from toronto that just got married
[07:05] <nixternal> fox news seems to have upgraded their flash crap, as I can't watch videos anymore
[07:05] <LaserJock> darn
[07:05] <LaserJock> I never could stand the Fox News website
[07:05] <LaserJock> I just want the news, darn it
[07:05] <nixternal> it has gotten much better since they redesigned it this week
[07:06] <nixternal> or last week
[07:06] <nixternal> grrr
[07:06] <LaserJock> I might go to the LUG meeting tonight
[07:06] <nixternal> i need an ubuntu t-shirt
[07:06] <nixternal> i was teh one idiot who bought one from cafepress
[07:06] <nixternal> now i have just a plain white t-shirt
[07:07] <nixternal> i don't even think it lasted a month
[07:08] <LaserJock> hmm, we mdz and jane silber hand delivered mine :p
[07:08] <nixternal> blah blah blah
[07:09] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:10] <pygi> hello all
[07:10] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: hey you
[07:10] <LaserJock> jsgotangco!
[07:10] <LaserJock> you're alive!! ;-)
[07:10] <jsgotangco> of course
[07:10] <jsgotangco> with a vengeance
[07:11] <jsgotangco> and a new phone
[07:11] <nixternal> haha
[07:11] <jsgotangco> muhahaha
[07:11] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: remember the one you saw in paris
[07:11] <LaserJock> ohhh noooo
[07:11] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:12] <jsgotangco> i replaced it with one that can do wlan as well
[07:12] <pygi> LaserJock, no what? :P
[07:12] <jsgotangco> and even installed python on it
[07:12] <nixternal> do you think it is wrong of me to add a 60" plasma to my amazon wishlist?
[07:13] <LaserJock> yes
[07:13] <nixternal> darn
[07:13] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: what? python? wow
[07:13] <nixternal> how about the entire Ann Coulter collection?
[07:13] <LaserJock> heh
[07:13] <LaserJock> Savage ;-)
[07:13] <nixternal> oh ya, without a doubt
[07:13] <nixternal> but coulter is hawt
[07:13] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I've only had 1 cell phone in my life
[07:14] <LaserJock> it's the el cheapo one they gave me for free when I signed up
[07:14] <nixternal> i have had many. and everyone was of the "free" variety
[07:14] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: well today's cellphones arent even called cellphones now
[07:14] <nixternal> im waiting for the linux phones to hit the US..then i will go big
[07:14] <jsgotangco> nokia calls them multimedia computers nowadays
[07:15] <LaserJock> heh
[07:15] <jsgotangco> nixternal: i've had 2 of them before
[07:15] <jsgotangco> they're just phones to me
[07:15] <LaserJock> if I could pay to do the funs stuff on them then they'd be more appealing
[07:15] <nixternal> oh ya....well...ummm...well my dog could beat up your dog
[07:15] <nixternal> ;)
[07:16] <jsgotangco> sure
[07:16] <jsgotangco> but can you whip up python code using your phone?
[07:16] <jsgotangco> then run it with the interpreter?
[07:16] <jsgotangco> hehe
[07:16] <nixternal> haha
[07:16] <nixternal> i can't whip up python code on my computer
[07:16] <LaserJock> sure you can
[07:16] <jsgotangco> then do an ssh at the same time while listening to a stream
[07:17] <LaserJock> ohhhhh
[07:17] <nixternal> that isn't a cell phone..that is a puter
[07:17] <jsgotangco> nixternal: nope
[07:17] <jsgotangco> its my phone
[07:17] <LaserJock> jerome is my technology idol :-)
[07:17] <jsgotangco> i even have planet on the rss reader
[07:18] <LaserJock> yeah, I asked cbx33 the other day if he read my planet post
[07:18] <LaserJock> he's like "Oh yeah, loaded it on my pocket pc (or something like that) and read it in the car"
[07:19] <jsgotangco> what? you're blogging now?
[07:19] <LaserJock> mwuahahaha
[07:19] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: welcome to www.laserjock.us
[07:19] <LaserJock> I may not have a cool cell phone
[07:20] <LaserJock> but darn it, I've got something
[07:21] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: well cellphones as we know it are on the path to extinction
[07:21] <jsgotangco> since the new ones are now integreated with wlan
[07:23] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:24] <LaserJock> I just want to get a decent computer
[07:24] <LaserJock> I think I'm going to start saving up for one.... when I actually start making any money
[07:24] <nixternal> LaserJock: did you see that i copied over the handbook to the ubuntu doc repo and it validates now?
[07:24] <LaserJock> ah cool
[07:25] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: then imagine now that you can ssh to your home pc using your phone at work, then do your packaging remotely...
[07:25] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:25] <nixternal> ya, a pain, but i got it...the pages need some massive restructuring....we are having at meeting tonight at 06:00 UTC if you are around
[07:25] <LaserJock> its crazy, if I actually used my computer I'd be fine
[07:25] <LaserJock> but since all I do is development work of various kinds
[07:26] <LaserJock> I'm getting frustrated at my machines
[07:26] <LaserJock> my cobbled together desktop is starting to fall apart
[07:26] <jsgotangco> mine sucks as well
[07:26] <LaserJock> and even then it's only an Athlon 1800+
[07:27] <LaserJock> that's my speedy machine :-)
[07:27] <nixternal> lol, i understand you on that one LaserJock
[07:27] <nixternal> Sysinfo for 'MasTequila': Linux 2.6.17-10-generic running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: AMDAthlonXP2000+ at 1667 MHz (3338 bogomips), , RAM: 678/1265MB, 114 proc's, 31.50min up
[07:27] <nixternal> mine isn't any better
[07:27] <nixternal> this is my fast one as well
[07:27] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:27] <nixternal> my other machine is a t-bird 1.4 ghz with 512mb of ram...the rest are under the 1ghz mark
[07:27] <LaserJock> I tried piecing together 2 machines
[07:28] <nixternal> my next big purchase will probably be a laptop though
[07:28] <nixternal> i need a laptop bad...mine is on its last legs...but being a student makes that one tough
[07:29] <LaserJock> I think my goal will be a nice quiet AMD64 desktop machine that I can have on without my wife saying "Is that a plane?"
[07:29] <jsgotangco> haha
[07:29] <nixternal> hehe
[07:30] <nixternal> well, my two workhorses are watercooled, and there is only 4 fans total between them...so i hear the humm of the flourescent lights
[07:32] <LaserJock> yikes
[07:32] <pips1> ogra: you still around? or are you entirely brain dead from that devel monster irc session?
[07:32] <jsgotangco> yeah
[07:33] <jsgotangco> that's like 3+ hours already
[07:33] <pips1> !seen ogra
[07:33] <ubotu> ogra is on IRC right now!
[07:34] <pips1> pfft
[07:34] <Laser_away> I gotta get to work, bbl
[07:34] <pips1> bye
[07:36] <adrian_> I see that edubuntu wants doc writers. http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/blog/2006.10.12/we-want-you/ Whilst I am no coder I would be happy to help, if I can work out how to :)
[07:36] <adrian_> It may be worth adding a link in this irc header on how to dl the source docs
[07:39] <adrian_> and the tumblewweed rolls through town
[07:39] <adrian_> :)
[07:40] <jsgotangco> nixternal: attend to your blog customer!
[07:40] <nixternal> woohoo
[07:40] <nixternal> hehe
[07:40] <nixternal> people actually read that ;)
[07:40] <pygi> hehe :)
[07:41] <nixternal> that nixternal is a character i tell you ;)
[07:41] <nixternal> adrian_: you rock for showing up!
[07:41] <adrian_> Oh yup, I have it in an rss bookmark ;)
[07:41] <adrian_> NP
[07:41] <nixternal> whoa, there went my head ;)
[07:41] <adrian_> Someone has to run with the flag :)
[07:41] <nixternal> what are the chances you will be around at say 06:00 UTC?
[07:41] <jsgotangco> i could have done a similar post with a different artwork though, as american artwork doesn't appeal me much
[07:41] <nixternal> hehe
[07:42] <adrian_> I am not certain, I am in the UK and I only have a short while befor kids go to bed but I will try :)
[07:42] <nixternal> we are going to have a small handbook/doc meeting then, that is 01:00 for me ;( but I will be there...anyways..there is a lot to do,a nd I wish HedgeMage was around, as she has been rocking the whole thing of late
[07:43] <nixternal> no worry, if you can't, i will at least produce a log for you to view if interested
[07:43] <nixternal> are you familar at all with svn? docbook? xml?
[07:43] <adrian_> Or if you want to write a quick howto, that should be sufficient and the log will help thanks.
[07:43] <adrian_> I will send you a private mail address
[07:44] <nixternal> thats cool
[07:50] <jsgotangco> im gonna sleep
[07:50] <jsgotangco> ciao
[07:50] <cbx33> ping Amaranth 
[07:50] <cbx33> nn jsgotangco 
[07:58] <pips1> cbx33: note bug 65690 
[07:59] <pips1> should select the esdsink for LTSP_CLIENTs
[07:59] <pips1> that's the one that you discovered :)
[08:00] <cbx33> :D
[08:00] <cbx33> wel :(
[08:00] <pygi> cbx33, !!!
[08:00] <pips1> hehe
[08:00] <cbx33> at least I wasn't going strange...I really thought I was fro a while
[08:00] <pygi> cbx33, pm pls
[08:01] <pips1> I also thought I was going nuts when sound and localdev didn't work at first
[08:02] <cbx33> yeh
[08:02] <cbx33> well the funny thing was it worked first time
[08:02] <cbx33> hey LaserJock 
[08:04] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[08:04] <Burgwork> cbx33: you should see what desrt is doing with gdm-replacing-splash-screen
[08:05] <cbx33> yeh?
[08:05] <Burgwork> cbx33: basically taking gdm and turning it into the splash screen
[08:05] <cbx33> ahhh
[08:05] <Burgwork> the other issue is for us, eliminating the gap between upslash and gdm
[08:05] <cbx33> nice
[08:05] <LaserJock> yeah, that wierd start-stop thing always bugs me
[08:06] <cbx33> yeh....and like the fade out when gksu comes up is great...until it gets to the very last bit and you get a screen flash
[10:00] <keltorsori> hello
[10:01] <stgraber> hi
[10:07] <keltorsori> is ogra around today?
[10:07] <juliux> !seen ogra 
[10:07] <ubotu> ogra is on IRC right now!
[10:08] <keltorsori> i see ogra's on, but on and actually at the computer are two different stories :)
[10:32] <cbx33> keltorsori, he's pretty busy today
[10:33] <keltorsori> no problem. just want to check to see if he'd had any ideas about the bug i submitted
[10:41] <cbx33> hey pygi 
[10:41] <cbx33> which bug?
[10:41] <cbx33> link me?
[10:41] <pygi> cbx33: what bug are you talking about? :P
[10:41] <pygi> cbx33: and hi :P
[10:41] <cbx33> sorry pygi not you :p
[10:43] <pygi> oki :)
[10:44] <Stephan102> hi there
[10:44] <Stephan102> need some help pls people!!
[10:44] <cbx33> shoot Stephan102 
[10:44] <cbx33> what's the problem
[10:45] <Stephan102> have an situation witch i know can be solved with a few bucks
[10:45] <Stephan102> but want to help the people out
[10:45] <Stephan102> p2 266, 64mb ram 2.1gb hdd
[10:45] <cbx33> uhhuh
[10:46] <pygi> me thinks that's under min reqs :-/
[10:46] <Stephan102> want to install edubuntu so that preschoolers can work on the pc
[10:46] <cbx33> for server or client or both :p
[10:46] <cbx33> that's under the specs Stephan102 
[10:46] <Stephan102> stand alone pc's
[10:46] <Stephan102> installed xubuntu works like a dream
[10:47] <Stephan102> also installed edubuntu server/minimal install
[10:47] <cbx33> right
[10:47] <cbx33> how fast is xubuntu on it?
[10:47] <Stephan102> well, very good i think
[10:48] <cbx33> nice
[10:48] <Stephan102> have ubuntu 6.06 on laptop cent1.7 1024mb ram basically the same
[10:48] <cbx33> I think you'll find that it's under specs for edubuntu
[10:48] <cbx33> bascially the same?
[10:48] <cbx33> as a p2 266?
[10:48] <Stephan102> mmm, maybe not but not too bad
[10:49] <Stephan102> can i install the gnome/kde gui from command line in server installation
[10:49] <cbx33> hmm...
[10:49] <cbx33> pygi, is it edubuntu-desktop
[10:49] <stgraber> yes, aptitude install edubuntu-desktop
[10:49] <Stephan102> installed that
[10:49] <Stephan102> how do i start the service
[10:50] <stgraber> /etc/init.d/gdm start
[10:50] <stgraber> try that and gdm should start
[10:50] <pygi> cbx33: yup, it is
[10:50] <cbx33> yup
[10:51] <Stephan102> gdm not in init.d directory
[10:53] <Stephan102> did a xubuntu server install, then apt-get install edubuntu desktop
[10:54] <Stephan102> sorry edubuntu-desktop
[10:54] <Stephan102> installed no probs
[10:54] <stgraber> strange, because gdm is in the depends of edubuntu-desktop, so it should be installed
[10:54] <stgraber> can you do : dpkg -l | grep gdm
[10:55] <Stephan102> did sudo apt-get install gdm and is now installing
[10:55] <Stephan102> wasn't installed it seems
[10:55] <Stephan102> sorryyy..
[10:58] <Stephan102> is this all i need to run edubuntu? edubuntu-desktop and gdm?
[11:01] <stgraber> the problem is that gdm should come with edubuntu-desktop, then I'm not sure you have all of the edubuntu-desktop packages installed
[11:09] <Stephan102> gdm installing
[11:09] <Stephan102> will give feedback now
[11:18] <Stephan102> think it is because of the xubuntu server install
[11:18] <Stephan102> how can i do a server install with edubuntu cd
[11:18] <Stephan102> ?
[11:27] <Stephan102> any of you guys know of a open source application can use for calendar sharing over lan?
[11:28] <Stephan102> any client program will do, sunbird, outlook etc
[11:48] <cbx33> nn all
[12:02] <Burgwork> pygi: there is nothing wrong with Hula that won't be fixed in the next 2 decades
[12:02] <pygi> Burgwork: I share the view :)
[12:07] <Stephan102> if youre using outlook OLfoldersPE seems to work nice, but 5 users for $48