[12:58] <TheMuso_> Hey all.
[12:58] <TheMuso_> Gotta love that huge increase in mail from the universe bugs list.
[12:58] <crimsun> fwiw, I did process them as quickly as humanly possible given my work constraints.
[01:05] <keescook> weird, I tested building this on amd64.  and yet that's the only thing that failed in the buildd's.  Can anyone help explain this one to me?
[01:05] <keescook> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/aolserver4-nsimap/3.1-3build1
[01:05] <keescook> compare the i386 build to the amd64 build...
[01:06] <LaserJock> crimsun's a machine
[01:07] <StevenK> LaserJock: I'd agree with that.
[01:08] <minghua> LaserJock, StevenK: I would disagree.  crimsun is better than a machine.
[01:13] <LaserJock> minghua: oh fine, you're right
[01:28] <FunnyLookinHat> LaserJock, have you or anyone made any progress on getting the new source for gnomesword to work with clucene6?
[01:30] <LaserJock> FunnyLookinHat: I think the Debian maintainer is looking at it
[01:31] <FunnyLookinHat> ooh ok, awesome.  I'll talk to him and see how soon we can get that fixed to sync up from deb repos
[01:31] <LaserJock> glasseyes is the DD
[01:33] <FunnyLookinHat> I'll see if I can help him out
[01:43] <Toadstool> I HATE windows and clearcase ! 1 hour lost, 3 crashes, 2 reboots just to checkout a file and modify 3 tiny lines...
[01:49] <zul> Toadstool: sounds like fun
[01:51] <Toadstool> I wish I could finish that in about 30s seconds in a real stable dev environment and spend the remaining time on MOTU stuff :p
[01:52] <TheMuso> c
[01:52] <TheMuso> This keyboard really needs a clean. Damn slash key is starting to stick.
[02:07] <nixternal_> ssh bttux.cod.edu
[02:07] <nixternal_> yes
[02:07] <Plug> Password:
[02:07] <nixternal_> ssh -l johnsonr bttux.cod.edu
[02:07] <nixternal_> star*chart
[02:07] <nixternal_> clear
[02:07] <nixternal_> ls
[02:07] <nixternal_> cat ip
[02:07] <Plug> Hmmm.
[02:07] <azeem> nixternal_: ehm?
[02:07] <ajmitch> impressive
[02:07] <Plug> nixternal_: I'd change that now if I were you. :)
[02:09] <nixternal_> doh
[02:10] <nixternal_> that is odd
[02:10] <ajmitch> maybe you tripped a keylogger's dump function :)
[02:10] <nixternal_> heh
[02:10] <nixternal_> oh well, enjoy hacking the school server
[02:10] <nixternal_> ;)
[02:11] <minghua> nixternal_: hope you don't use that password anywhere else
[02:11] <nixternal_> heh, that is the stupid server password here
[02:11] <Fujitsu> Profiling the boot sequence on this laptop gained a whole 0.6 seconds! How useful... not.
[02:12] <nixternal_> passwd
[02:12] <nixternal_> star*chart
[02:12] <nixternal_> v1ct0r1a
[02:12] <nixternal_> v1ct0r1a
[02:13] <nixternal_> v1ct0r1a
[02:13] <nixternal_> passwd
[02:13] <nixternal_> v1ct0r1a*l4ur3n*j0hns0n
[02:13] <nixternal_> rm ip
[02:13] <nixternal_> ls
[02:13] <Plug> Is your wife's name Victoria Lauren Johnson?
[02:13] <ajmitch> nixternal_: creative, but probably not quite what you wanted
[02:13] <minghua> *cough*
[02:13] <nixternal_> man
[02:13] <nixternal_> there is a huge bug in konsole
[02:14] <Plug> (or in nixternal_ ;)
[02:14] <Fujitsu> ... what did you make it do!?
[02:14] <Fujitsu> Hey LaserJock.
[02:14] <nixternal_> im trying to make a password, and the server kicked back and error
[02:14] <ajmitch> nixternal_: simple, use GNOME
[02:14] <nixternal_> doh
[02:14] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, exactly!
[02:14] <nixternal_> exit
[02:14] <ajmitch> heh
[02:14] <Plug> ./kick nixternal_ as requested! :)
[02:14] <nixternal_> whatever i type in the one konsole it spits out here..that is e.tarded
[02:14] <Fujitsu> Great.
[02:14] <Fujitsu> Use GNOME!
[02:14] <Plug> gnome-terminal
[02:14] <Plug> it's greater now than ever.
[02:15] <Fujitsu> No Hobbsee/i*mbrandon around, otherwise I'd be dead!
[02:15] <Plug> I think this proves beyond doubt that you have been misguided with your undying love for Kubuntu. ;)
[02:16] <minghua> let's just hope ubuntu irc logs don't have too much google juice
[02:16] <nixternal_> hehe, they will have access to a server ;)
[02:16] <ajmitch> minghua: there's a lot of google juice in those logs
[02:17] <LaserJock> hmm
[02:18] <ajmitch> hey LaserJock
[02:19] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[02:22] <LaserJock> I need to figure out why my dns keeps dropping
[02:23] <ajmitch> why resolvconf is broken?
[02:23] <LaserJock> no, this is in OS X
[02:23] <LaserJock> I finally figured that I can unplug my network cable and plug it back in and it fixes it
[02:23] <LaserJock> but why it drops it in the first place is a mystery to me
[02:24] <minghua> LaserJock: dhcp or static ip?
[02:24] <LaserJock> static
[02:26] <minghua> no idea then, I was thinking about dhcp lease
[02:26] <LaserJock> I'm wondering if it's some sort of energy saver thing
[02:27] <ajmitch> probably a 'feature'
[02:28] <Henry_Bean> hi, there are some repository available for e17 amd64 packages?
[02:28] <ajmitch> not in Ubuntu
[02:29] <Henry_Bean> just because nobody has packed it or some other issue?
[02:29] <ajmitch> pretty much
[02:30] <Henry_Bean> somebody knows why the ebuntu project has only packages for i386?
[02:31] <ajmitch> because ebuntu made packages with checkinstall that can't be put in the distribution
[02:31] <LaserJock> because they only have i386s
[02:32] <ajmitch> & so we can't take a source package of theirs & build it for others or distribute it
[02:32] <LaserJock> bah, my boss just tried using my Ubuntu machine
[02:32] <Henry_Bean> oh :( there is no way to generate a dsc file from a checkinstall?
[02:32] <LaserJock> and of course Xfig doesn't work
[02:32] <LaserJock> no
[02:33] <Henry_Bean> crap
[02:33] <ajmitch> no, checkinstall doesn't create proper packages in any form
[02:36] <LaserJock> Henry_Bean: you want to make e17 source packages? :-)
[02:38] <LaserJock> ok, well that's wierd. Xfig locally give font errors and the fon't look real bad
[02:38] <LaserJock> but if I ssh -Y into the box and run it it's fine
[02:40] <Henry_Bean> i never did a package from scratch, just play a little with dsc changing dependencies and a reaaaally tiny understanding of debian/control
[02:40] <Henry_Bean> beside that i have no idea about Makefiles and configuration
[02:41] <Henry_Bean> i came from the Java world :S
[02:48] <minghua> LaserJock: of course, X fonts are from X server (which means where your keyboard, mouse, and monitor is at)
[02:49] <minghua> LaserJock: so when you ssh in, you are using the fonts on your desktop
[02:51] <LaserJock> well, I'm running Xfig on the same machines
[02:51] <LaserJock> *machine
[02:51] <LaserJock> just in one instance locall, the other ssh'd in
[02:58] <Lathiat> yet another avahi init script bug
[03:00] <ajmitch> Lathiat: time to put a big fat warning in the initscript?
[03:00] <ajmitch> though people will miss that
[03:19] <Admiral_Chicago> imbrandon: are you in charge of ubotu?
[03:20] <Lathiat> ajmitch: /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon cluebat
[03:20] <Lathiat> :)
[03:22] <Admiral_Chicago> well i just wanted to suggest to whomever can change the bot to add !oxygen and !plasma
[03:26] <Lathiat> i think you'll find you should be able to go /msg ubotu plasma is <whatever>
[03:26] <Lathiat> at a guess
[03:29] <minghua> !usage
[03:29] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[03:31] <LaserJock> only ubotu editors are allowed to add new factoids
[03:35] <Admiral_Chicago> La
[03:35] <Admiral_Chicago> LaserJock: that's what i thoughtt
[03:35] <Admiral_Chicago> which is why i asked imbrandon if he was around
[03:36] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: try #ubuntu-bots
[03:37] <nixternal_> you can request new factoids however, there is a function to use that will message the bot people with the new factoid
[03:37] <Admiral_Chicago> #ubuntu-bots
[03:37] <Admiral_Chicago> err
[03:37] <LaserJock> well, what are the factoids you want?
[03:37] <Admiral_Chicago> crap i feel like a n00b now
[03:37] <Admiral_Chicago> LaserJock: i want to add the factoids about KDE 4, like plasma, oxygen etc
[03:39] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: hmm, yeah. I'd what for imbrandon
[03:39] <Admiral_Chicago> okay i'll do that
[03:40] <LaserJock> technically I could do it, but I'm a bit rusty with my bot usage, need to get home, and don't know what to put really
[03:41] <minghua> LaserJock: some one needs to edit UbotuUsage wiki page then, it says anybody can change the factoids as long as he/she is registered
[03:42] <LaserJock> hmm
[03:48] <TheMuso> For those who are interested, wiki page for build farm project, as decided at last MOTU meeting is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Machines
[03:49] <LaserJock> TheMuso: cool
[03:49] <TheMuso> Also sent a mail to the MOTU list.
[03:49] <LaserJock> I also got a contact from _MMA_ about a company possibly being interested in a HW donation
[03:49] <TheMuso> Cool.
[03:50] <LaserJock> I'll have to send an email and see if there is any real intrest
[03:50] <TheMuso> Anyway, have a look and add thoughts/suggestions as you wish.
[03:50] <LaserJock> cool
[03:53] <imbrandon_> evening
[03:53] <TheMuso> Hey imbrandon_.
[03:53] <imbrandon_> heya TheMuso
[03:54] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: imbrandon_ is here :-)
[03:54] <imbrandon_> ?
[03:54] <nixternal_> those chicago people are annoying aren't they imbrandon_  ;)
[03:54] <Admiral_Chicago> imbrandon_:  can you add an entry to ubotu for !plasma !oxygen !solid?
[03:55] <Admiral_Chicago> i tell you those chicagoans
[03:55] <imbrandon_> nixternal_: heh
[03:55] <imbrandon_> Admiral_Chicago: sure message me what you want the factoids to say
[03:55] <nixternal_> KDE4 doesn't yet exist - how is that for a factoid?
[03:55] <nixternal_> ;)
[03:55] <Admiral_Chicago> PM or what?
[03:56] <nixternal_> no he isn't the prime minister
[03:56] <Admiral_Chicago> factoids != facts
[03:56] <imbrandon_> nixternal_: sure it does, i'm running it on two diffrent systems , just isnt stable-ish yet ;)
[03:56] <nixternal_> well, they better be facts, otherwise they are opinions
[03:56] <imbrandon_> pm yea
[03:56] <nixternal_> ya, i know..i have a system at home with it that just doesn't want to do anything
[03:57] <LaserJock> "Look ma, KDE4!"
[03:57] <imbrandon_> ;)
[03:58] <imbrandon_> the funny thing is everyone expects something "ohhh ahhh" and kde4 looks exactly like kde3 ;)
[03:58] <LaserJock> geeze, what's the fun in that
[03:58] <imbrandon_> infact there are two kde4 apps that ship with kubuntu now ;)
[03:59] <imbrandon_> and that screenshot of konqueror on my blog is kde4 ;)
[03:59] <imbrandon_> heh
[03:59] <LaserJock> I'm seeing a fair amount of buzz about Ruby in KDE4
[03:59] <imbrandon_> plasma looks a bit diffrent but it dosent even compile yet afaik
[03:59] <Admiral_Chicago> imbrandon link me to your blog?
[03:59] <imbrandon_> yea there is alot of buz about python and ruby kde bindings lately
[04:00] <imbrandon_> Admiral_Chicago: www.imbrandon.com
[04:00] <imbrandon_> ;)
[04:00] <zul_> imbrandon_: ewww...nickleback
[04:01] <imbrandon_> the kde hwdb app and speedcrunch are both kde4 in kubuntu edgy
[04:01] <nixternal_> not even 2 minutes there LaserJock  ;)
[04:01] <LaserJock> crap, I was going to go home
[04:01] <imbrandon_> zul_: heh i like nickleback ;)
[04:01] <LaserJock> and then I realized that my wife has the care :/
[04:01] <nixternal_> hahaha
[04:01] <imbrandon_> s/e//
[04:01] <Admiral_Chicago> been listening to shakira lately....
[04:01] <nixternal_> you are stuck at work
[04:01] <imbrandon_> ?
[04:01] <zul_> imbrandon_: all of their songs sound the same though
[04:01] <LaserJock> imbrandon_: yes, thanks
[04:01] <LaserJock> nixternal_: yep
[04:01] <nixternal_> wth, Admiral_Chicago and imbrandon_ both listen to shakira..that is scarey
[04:02] <LaserJock> hmm
[04:02] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal i don't actually
[04:02] <TheMuso> eww shakira
[04:02] <nixternal_> who hacked the server?  teacher is running around like a chicken
[04:02] <TheMuso> SOunds like processed music to me
[04:02] <Admiral_Chicago> my last.fm id is admiral_pro
[04:02] <ajmitch> nixternal_: hm?
[04:02] <Admiral_Chicago> check it out
[04:02] <nixternal_> haha ajmitch  ;_
[04:02] <nixternal_> ;)
[04:02] <ajmitch> nixternal_: someone actually logged in, or are you just joking about it? :)
[04:03] <nixternal_> somebody beat me to changing the password...LOL
[04:03] <ajmitch> wonderful
[04:03] <nixternal_> actually...whoever did it..thank you!
[04:04] <nixternal_> everyone is logged in on a Ubuntu LiveCD now because I carry about 25 of them with me at all times...and tonight, they got lucky
[04:04] <nixternal_> it is cool...there is no more Fedora Core 2 showing..it is all Ubuntu goodness
[04:04] <nixternal_> the old lady up front is giggling at Edubuntu
[04:04] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal_ i always have at learst one of U/K on each archetecture at all times
[04:05] <LaserJock> nixternal_: tell her to play gcompris
[04:05] <nixternal_> hmm..i can't email with my cell phone..only sms
[04:05] <nixternal_> that is stupid
[04:05] <nixternal_> this lady is learning shell scripting at i would say 70 maybe
[04:05] <imbrandon_> Admiral_Chicago: if you want me to add those factoids please PM soonish or it will have to wait till tomarrow, /me is gonna sleep soon
[04:05] <LaserJock> well, I accidently left all my beautiful CDs in Mountain View :/
[04:06] <nixternal_> hehe
[04:06] <nixternal_> i just got a shipment in for Ubuntu Chicago
[04:06] <Admiral_Chicago> imbrandon_: i'll have to do it tomorrow, i didn't know you OKed a PM and I have homework to do still
[04:06] <LaserJock> nixternal_: how long did it take to get them?
[04:06] <nixternal_> a week
[04:06] <nixternal_> but...there is reasoning to that
[04:06] <imbrandon_> Admiral_Chicago: ok , if you want email them to me ( imbrandon@kubuntu.org )
[04:06] <nixternal_> a reason behind that rather
[04:06] <Admiral_Chicago> 4-8 weeks for most users
[04:06] <Admiral_Chicago> imbrandon_: will do
[04:07] <LaserJock> well, my LUG decided to do a install fest on the 19th
[04:07] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: i got my shipment in about 1.5 weeks
[04:07] <imbrandon_> of 300 cd's
[04:07] <LaserJock> I have no idea why they aren't waiting until after Edgy is out
[04:07] <LaserJock> but oh well
[04:07] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: they do it once a month
[04:07] <nixternal_> there isn't going to be an Edgy ShipIt for one
[04:08] <LaserJock> imbrandon_: install fests?
[04:08] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: btw i'm still on that ML i realized yesterday
[04:08] <nixternal_> only the LoCo Team Leads will get 500 assorted Edgy disks..the rest will be for sale it seems
[04:08] <LaserJock> nixternal_: LUGs can still get Edgy shipit
[04:08] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: yea
[04:08] <Admiral_Chicago> imbrandon_: i'm adding you on last.fm if that's cool with you
[04:08] <imbrandon_> nixternal_: and LUG's
[04:08] <imbrandon_> Admiral_Chicago: sure i dont care ( not even sure what that means tbh )
[04:08] <nixternal_> so LUGs will get them too?  last email said just LoCos
[04:09] <LaserJock> LUGs will have to pay for them, but they can get them
[04:09] <nixternal_> i believe it was the one on the loco list from jane
[04:09] <nixternal_> ahhh..ok, ya
[04:09] <nixternal_> well, they are looking for distributors in the US as well...i have 3 maybe 4 here in Chicago alone that will be distributing hopefully
[04:09] <LaserJock> anyway, I don't think many people will show so ...
[04:10] <LaserJock> I thought I'd at least burn some Edgy RC CDs
[04:10] <nixternal_> hehe
[04:10] <imbrandon_> ;)
[04:10] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: just bring an iso and burner , have them bring the cd's , thats what i used to do
[04:11] <imbrandon_> then no waste on either side
[04:11] <LaserJock> my Lug doesn't seem to have a lot of activity
[04:11] <nixternal_> ya i did that last time because i was out of cds
[04:11] <Admiral_Chicago> imbrandon_: what do you use to play music? amarok?
[04:11] <imbrandon_> amarok
[04:11] <imbrandon_> and itunes a little
[04:11] <imbrandon_> mostly amarok ( even on osx )
[04:11] <Admiral_Chicago> does it auto send your songs to last.fm?
[04:11] <imbrandon_> yea
[04:11] <nixternal_> yes
[04:11] <LaserJock> how many people are in the Chicago LUG(s) ? It's got to be a ton
[04:12] <nixternal_> well, there are 5 or so Chicago LUGs
[04:12] <nixternal_> only 3 or 4 are really active...so i would go a few hundred every 2 weeks maybe
[04:12] <imbrandon_> me/we just started the ubuntu-midwest loco team ;)
[04:12] <LaserJock> imbrandon_: how many people went to RLUG when you were here?
[04:13] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: about 30 on busy meeting , 20 avg
[04:13] <LaserJock> oh wow
[04:13] <LaserJock> the 1 I went to was like 7-10
[04:13] <nixternal_> right now we are working on a deal with FSF to have RMS as a speaker...and this dude just doesn't stay in a hotel...he requests someone to let him stay with them from what i understand
[04:13] <imbrandon_> man
[04:13] <nixternal_> so the chiglug list is a bunch of people going, RMS can stay with me
[04:13] <Admiral_Chicago> RMS?
[04:13] <LaserJock> nixternal_: oh geeze, good luck with that. He's got a hug list of really eccentric requirements
[04:14] <nixternal_> oh lord kick him now
[04:14] <imbrandon_> oh man i would resign from the lug is RMS came to talk
[04:14] <nixternal_> ya LaserJock, we got to see the list
[04:14] <nixternal_> he is a freakin' whack bag who is slowly screwing Linux out of big deals with the government here, because he has the UN and everyone else pissed at him
[04:15] <zul_> heh we wanted rms to come to the ottawa lug but he wouldnt unless if changed the name of the group to include gnu/linux
[04:15] <LaserJock> haha
[04:15] <imbrandon_> lol
[04:15] <zul_> wanker
[04:15] <Admiral_Chicago> well what is the acronym mean?
[04:15] <nixternal_> ya, well the ChiGLUG has it..so he has agreed
[04:15] <LaserJock> Richard M Stallman
[04:15] <nixternal_> Chicago GNU/Linux User's Group...but we have to get a place for him to stay, and meet the other requirements from what I understand
[04:16] <LaserJock> make sure the tempurature is right
[04:16] <Kyral> RMS is like a Hippie Obi-Wan Kenobi
[04:16] <nixternal_> lol
[04:16] <nixternal_> he is a retarded chong
[04:16] <LaserJock> and like no animals or something (except cats) or something like that
[04:16] <Kyral> Linus is like a Finnish Han Solo :P
[04:16] <imbrandon_> why arent you the gnu/kde/gnome/linux/autoconf/dpkg users group ?
[04:16] <zul_> just dont let him sing
[04:17] <LaserJock> I think I'd have to leave a LUG that had GNU/Linux in it's name ;-)
[04:17] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: +5
[04:17] <Kyral> I like BLAG's name
[04:17] <Kyral> BLAG Linux And GNU
[04:18] <imbrandon_> i wonder if there could be a ubuntu diritive without gnu tools ( e.
[04:18] <imbrandon_> g. bsd )
[04:18] <zul_> LaserJock: http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/video-richard-stallman-jamming-with-gilberto-gil
[04:19] <LaserJock> anyway ...
[04:19] <nixternal_> I was at a conference years back when the McCormick in Chicago held them...and I thought it would be cool to get a picture with RMS...he wouldn't take the pic because it was a Sony Digital Camera...we did the "wow this guy is an idiot"...and he started speaking in tongues
[04:21] <nixternal_> ;soon young jedi
[04:21] <nixternal_> soon
[04:21] <minghua> imbrandon: what do you expect to compile such a derivative with? :-)
[04:22] <ajmitch> minghua: intel compiler ;)
[04:22] <zul_> heh rms doesnt even use debian ;)
[04:22] <ajmitch> debian is not pure enough
[04:22] <imbrandon_> intels cpp compiler
[04:22] <ajmitch> the kernel hasn't been stripped clean of binary firmware
[04:22] <imbrandon_> i'd be suprised if RMS used linux
[04:23] <minghua> intel compiler, while I admit a very good one, doesn't compile kernel last time I heard
[04:23] <Kyral> RMS prolly uses the HURD
[04:23] <LaserJock> zul_: thanks, I don't think I'll be able to listen to music again
[04:23] <imbrandon_> lol
[04:23] <zul_> imbrandon_: he says he does
[04:23] <zul_> LaserJock: yeah i had nightmares
[04:24] <LaserJock> does RMS even use a computer anymore?
[04:25] <imbrandon_> hahah
[04:25] <imbrandon_> a z80 he put togather himself
[04:25] <ajmitch> Kyral: RMS would beat you for capitalising the Hurd like that
[04:25] <LaserJock> well, I was more thinking that he just talks ... and talks ...
[04:25] <Kyral> RMS would have to be unstoned to hit me first
[04:26] <LaserJock> anyway, that's probably enough RMS bashing :-)
[04:26] <LaserJock> he gave us some good things too
[04:26] <imbrandon_> hey now alot of good code has been written stoned by many programers ;)
[04:27] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: true but i hate his arogantness
[04:27] <imbrandon_> is tht even a word
[04:27] <LaserJock> yeah, all the KDE apps
[04:27] <LaserJock> sure
[04:27] <imbrandon_> lol
[04:27] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: lol
[04:28] <imbrandon_> hrm , i used to know an upstream that was ALWAYS stoned but i cant rember whom it was now
[04:28] <Admiral_Chicago> shhh
[04:28] <nixternal_> heh
[04:28] <Admiral_Chicago> he might be listing right now
[04:28] <imbrandon_> and it was a great project no one would have thought
[04:28] <nixternal_> UTUTO
[04:29] <imbrandon_> iirc it was some lisp project
[04:29] <imbrandon_> ahh it was ratpoison
[04:29] <imbrandon_> wm
[04:29] <imbrandon_> ( even has notes about it in the README or docs or something iirc )
[04:30] <Admiral_Chicago> he wrote emacs
[04:30] <nixternal_> 21:22 < imbrandon_> i'd be suprised if RMS used linux
[04:30] <Admiral_Chicago> eww
[04:30] <nixternal_> ya, he uses that UTUTO
[04:30] <nixternal_> i seen that in the interview he did at LinuxWorld
[04:32] <LaserJock> doesn't FSF have it's own Linux distribution?
[04:33] <ajmitch> GNU/Linux, thank you very much
[04:33] <nixternal_> who knows..those are some odd people there...there is a FSF "board member" or whatever at this college, and nobody talks to them
[04:33] <nixternal_> he shows up at the CoDLUG meetings, but we ignore him ;)
[04:34] <imbrandon_> thats mean
[04:34] <nixternal_> LOL
[04:35] <Admiral_Chicago> give him a ubuntu cd
[04:35] <nixternal_> he sits in the corner and does meditation and humms like an old windows 3.1 box
[04:35] <minghua> now that's really mean
[04:35] <imbrandon_> serouisly, thats what make geeks do crazy stuff cuz they have no ffriends and give all geeks a bad anbme
[04:35] <imbrandon_> name*
[04:35] <nixternal_> how was that mean?
[04:35] <minghua> well, I wouldn't call anybody like a computer box
[04:36] <nixternal_> OK, I guess I shouldn't tell you about how we make him get on the table and dance, while we throw rocks at him then
[04:36] <imbrandon_> crimsun: ouch
[04:37] <LaserJock> crimsun: bummer
[04:37] <imbrandon_> anyone else see on the news about the plane that hit a building NYC today ?
[04:37] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:37] <nixternal_> lol...ya
[04:37] <TheMuso> We heard about it here too.
[04:37] <imbrandon_> thats nuts
[04:37] <nixternal_> jjesse told me about it..yankees lost a good pitcher
[04:37] <zul_> people were freaking out apparently
[04:37] <nixternal_> ya, i think i would have as well if i was there again for that mess
[04:37] <TheMuso> The breakfast show guy this morning here was talking to an Aussie who worked nearby.
[04:38] <TheMuso> on the radio.
[04:38] <nixternal_> he smacked the middle of the building..people thought he was doing aerobatics
[04:38] <imbrandon_> 10/11/06 flipped is umm 09/11/01 as Seveas pointed out
[04:38] <crimsun> -ECONSPIRACY !
[04:38] <nixternal_> ya, i thought that was crazy..they said that on msnbc earlier and i didn't pay attention until Seveas pointed it out
[04:39] <minghua> well, 10/11/06 flipped is 90/11/01 to me :-)
[04:39] <nixternal_> apparently his ERA was equivalent to the amount of current al-qaeda member in gitmo as well ;)
[04:39] <imbrandon_> lol
[04:39] <nixternal_> well, if you do the good ol' congressional single digit way...it would be the goofy 10/11/6
[04:39] <nixternal_> but i don't think anyone does that anymore
[04:40] <imbrandon_> ok time for some sleep, i've been up far too long today, gnight all
[04:40] <nixternal_> g'nite
[04:47] <chillywilly> sorry read scroll back, but everyone knows that RMS usese Ututo GNU/Linux ;P
[04:47] <zakame> hi all
[04:47] <chillywilly> uses*
[04:47] <zakame> yeah
[04:47] <ajmitch> Lathiat: more avahi bugs :)
[04:47] <Lathiat> yeh this one was my fault ;)
[04:47] <ajmitch> I can't believe that you'd add to the bug count like that :)
[04:48] <zakame> wow so many LP mails today :p
[04:48] <zakame> sivang's been working, that's for sure :P
[04:48] <Lathiat> i love it when people reject their own bugs
[04:48] <crimsun> He and fujitsu have been making me suffer. Thanks guys!
[04:49] <Burgundavia> who is Luke Y
[04:49] <Burgundavia> ?
[04:49] <crimsun> TheMuso, Burgundavia.
[04:49] <Burgundavia> crimsun: just saw his buildfarm page
[04:50] <wickedpuppy>  Hi guys ... I would like to know why ubuntu includes binary drivers in the install cd ?
[04:51] <crimsun> wickedpuppy: meaning why it includes restricted, proprietary-only binaries?
[04:51] <wickedpuppy> yes sir
[04:52] <crimsun> wickedpuppy: the goal is to make things run without a great deal of hassle
[04:52] <Burgundavia> such as my poor Atheros card
[04:52] <wickedpuppy> well i ask because I am running one of the local teams and that question brought up ...
[04:53] <Burgundavia> Ubuntu will only include binary stuff if it is needed to get the machine up and running
[04:53] <Burgundavia> such as a binary networking driver
[04:53] <wickedpuppy> but other distros don't include them ? then how do they install ?
[04:53] <Burgundavia> we don't instlal stuff that is nice to have, such as the ATI or Nvidia drivers
[04:53] <Burgundavia> that depends entirely on the distro
[04:54] <wickedpuppy> hmms ... thanks
[04:54] <wickedpuppy> but don't know how to reply to the question though ...
[04:54] <Burgundavia> what was the specific question?
[04:55] <Burgundavia> wickedpuppy: shall we move to -marketing ?
[04:55] <wickedpuppy> sorry if i am distubing ... sure i will post it in #ubuntu-marketing
[04:55] <wickedpuppy> correct ?
[04:55] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: you up?
[04:56] <crimsun> wickedpuppy: see the trailing half of http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing
[04:56] <crimsun> particularly sections on Documentation.. and The purpose of the 'restricted' component
[04:56] <wickedpuppy> thanks crimsun
[04:58] <Burgundavia> TheMuso: it is more than just access to one type of arch. It is also speed of upload/download and speed of machines
[05:01] <TheMuso> Burgundavia: Well add it. :)
[05:02] <Burgundavia> TheMuso: will do so
[05:02] <TheMuso> That didn't occur to me at the time.
[05:03] <imbrandon_> Burgundavia: lemme know when you let the lock off, i have a few things to add also
[05:03] <ajmitch> hi Burgundavia
[05:04] <Burgundavia> imbrandon_: done in a sec
[05:04] <Burgundavia> heyu ajmitch
[05:04] <ajmitch> how goes it?
[05:05] <imbrandon_> Burgundavia: sure, no hurry just wanted a ping ;)
[05:05] <Burgundavia> imbrandon_: done
[05:06] <imbrandon_> cool thanks
[05:07] <TheMuso> Burgundavia: Nicely put.
[05:07] <TheMuso> What made you think of Australia? :)
[05:07] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: NZ is far more starved for bandwidth ;)
[05:07] <Burgundavia> poor ajmitch and Fujitsu talking about it
[05:08] <Burgundavia> I meant the whole NZ/AU area
[05:08] <ajmitch> or Africa
[05:08] <ajmitch> I know that the telco situation in South Africa makes NZ look wonderful
[05:09] <Burgundavia> yep
[05:09] <ajmitch> crimsun: nice changelog for mythplugins
[05:09] <zakame> aww bandwidth
[05:09] <ajmitch> zakame: still on dialup?
[05:10] <Burgundavia> how is ssh through dialup?
[05:10] <zakame> ajmitch: hell no, dsl-at-work now :P
[05:10] <ajmitch> painful
[05:10] <minghua> crimsun: did you figure out what's wrong with vlc's translation patch eventually?
[05:10] <TheMuso> It is not what I would call usable.
[05:10] <Burgundavia> but less painful than actually trying to download stuff, I would imagine
[05:10] <zakame> ajmitch: I know your pain though
[05:11] <zakame> Burgundavia: yeah, like trying to get the edgydvd :P
[05:11] <TheMuso> ajmitch: At least my mother is now convinced that dial-up sucks.
[05:11] <crimsun> minghua: no, been squashed for resources lately
[05:11] <Burgundavia> TheMuso: what about a slushfund for getting certain developers faster internet?
[05:11] <zul_> or better machines :)
[05:11] <TheMuso> Burgundavia: I dunno.
[05:11] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: sometimes you'd need to throw a lot more money at it
[05:11] <Burgundavia> how much more?
[05:11] <ajmitch> I'm not too badly off now
[05:11] <TheMuso> I think for broadband, downstream is usually ok. The problem lies with upstream, at least thats what I think anyway.,
[05:12] <zakame> ubntubuntank?
[05:12] <zakame> :P
[05:12] <ajmitch> but some places you just can't get decent DSL, for example
[05:12] <zul_> ubuntu-sugar-daddy
[05:12] <Burgundavia> TheMuso: yes, upstream was really crappy until about 2 years ago here
[05:12] <Burgundavia> then it all went a little insane
[05:12] <ajmitch> only in the last year or two have I been able to afford more than 128Kbps
[05:13] <ajmitch> & now I'll have something around 5Mbps/768Kbps at a guess
[05:13] <Burgundavia> anybody else here own a Linksys wrt54gx or just a g?
[05:13] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Lucky you.
[05:13] <ajmitch> TheMuso: yeah, full line speed for me, 30GB cap, from the day edgy releases
[05:13] <TheMuso> Nice.
[05:13] <TheMuso> When we move we will look into ADSL2+ here.
[05:13] <TheMuso> Until then, I can live with what we have.
[05:14] <ajmitch> ADSL2+ has meant to have been rolled out in NZ about a year ago
[05:14] <ajmitch> they're still promising it
[05:14] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: how much do you pay for that?
[05:14] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: about $100NZD/month
[05:14] <Burgundavia> owww
[05:14] <Burgundavia> http://www.shaw.ca/en-ca/ProductsServices/Internet/
[05:14] <Burgundavia> that will make you cry then
[05:14] <Burgundavia> I have the middle one
[05:14] <TheMuso> ajmitch: 5mbps would be quite possible if Telstra got off their buts.
[05:14] <ajmitch> most prices do
[05:14] <ajmitch> TheMuso: I have 3.5/512 at the moment
[05:15] <Burgundavia> ok, my touchpad is mostly fucked
[05:15] <TheMuso> Nice.
[05:15] <TheMuso> 1.5/256 here, which is not too bad.
[05:15] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: I live in a lovely country, miles from anywhere
[05:15] <Burgundavia> I live less than 50 from Redmond?
[05:15] <ajmitch> so many things are more expensive (petrol, airfares, bandwidth) :)
[05:18] <Toadstool> wow, you guys should move to France, my parents have a 25Mbits/1Mbps DSL line for only 30 euros a month (something like $40)...
[05:19] <Toadstool> and they live nearly in the middle of nowhere
[05:21] <Fujitsu> 30 Euros!? That's incredible.
[05:22] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: About $50
[05:22] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, I know.
[05:22] <TheMuso> That is incredible.
[05:22] <LaserJock> I get 1.5Mbps/300+Kbps for $32/ month here
[05:23] <LaserJock> I then the French are getting a better deal ;-)
[05:23] <LaserJock> *think
[05:23] <Toadstool> http://adsl.free.fr/offre/grille.pdf <-  the price/services grid in french
[05:24] <LaserJock> where are the DVD .isos at?
[05:24] <LaserJock> for Dapper
[05:24] <Toadstool> they could have up to 28Mbit/s but they are a little far from the DSLAM
[05:25] <imbrandon_> ok LaserJock and TheMuso my stuff added to the machines page, i'll add more later and clean it up but i'm sleepy, feel free to proof it and intergrate it into the rest of the doc properly, i'm headed to sleepy ;)
[05:25] <TheMuso> Toadstool: 25mbps is still mega sweet.
[05:25] <TheMuso> imbrandon_: Cya.
[05:26] <joejaxx> LaserJock: cdimages.ubuntu.com :D
[05:26] <Toadstool> TheMuso: yeah I know :)
[05:26] <TheMuso> Toadstool: Whats their upstream?
[05:26] <Toadstool> upstream?
[05:27] <TheMuso> upstream bandwidth.
[05:27] <TheMuso> As in, how fast can they upload?
[05:27] <Toadstool> ah! a little less than 1Mbits
[05:28] <TheMuso> Thats nice.
[05:28] <Toadstool> yup
[05:28] <imbrandon_> for 24$ a mo
[05:29] <LaserJock> joejaxx: hmm, should be on releases.ubuntu.com i'd think
[05:29] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: common i have a couch ;)
[05:30] <imbrandon_> you can finish your deg here at umkc ;)
[05:30] <TheMuso> imbrandon_: Good ideas, but not everybody is going to have that, and the system is likely to have machines all over the place.
[05:30] <LaserJock> ajmitch: me too
[05:30] <TheMuso> Yeah that would be nice.
[05:30] <imbrandon_> ajmitch: i plan on bringing it up in mountain view
[05:31] <LaserJock> maybe I'll have a little chat with Mark at Mountain View ;-)
[05:31] <LaserJock> haha
[05:31] <TheMuso> SF?
[05:31] <LaserJock> San Fransisco
[05:31] <TheMuso> Ah./
[05:31] <imbrandon_> TheMuso: i know but thats the problem, the kinda need to be central e.g we will most likely be kinking in for someone to host these boxes ( if someone wants to send the hardware i will hehe ) and make a lp group to admin them like REVU
[05:33] <TheMuso> imbrandon_: I think this is possible without anyone having to host them at one central location/send hardware to be hosted etc.
[05:33] <Toadstool> that's so frustrating... the previous UDS was in Paris when I was in France but it was right in the middle of my exams and now I am in California but I have to work :/
[05:33] <TheMuso> If it is planned and set up right, we can make it happen.
[05:33] <LaserJock> poor Toadstool :/
[05:33] <joejaxx> TheMuso: :\
[05:33] <joejaxx> i mean
[05:33] <TheMuso> Toadstool: Ah that would really suck.
[05:33] <joejaxx> Toadstool: :\
[05:33] <imbrandon_> TheMuso: sure it can be done but security would be a MAJOR probelm then, it would take 10x more planning and administration
[05:34] <TheMuso> Yeah I know. But as far as I see it, what choice do we have?
[05:34] <imbrandon_> and then you have to worry about consistancy
[05:34] <joejaxx> i was wondering
[05:34] <ajmitch> TheMuso: there's a reason why the debian machine admins require direct access to all the porter machines
[05:34] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Right.
[05:35] <joejaxx> how much space whould you all need for compile machines for motu?
[05:35] <ajmitch> space isn't too bad - cpu, ram & bandwidth are the killers
[05:35] <imbrandon_> joejaxx: it would take a dedicated machine that a group on lp would have to have root access to
[05:35] <joejaxx> lp?
[05:35] <ajmitch> imbrandon_: xen ftw ;)
[05:35] <TheMuso> launchpad
[05:35] <imbrandon_> ajmitch: ;)
[05:35] <joejaxx> TheMuso: ah
[05:36] <imbrandon_> ajmitch: xen domains are technicly called machines ;)
[05:36] <imbrandon_> i think lol
[05:36] <joejaxx> hmmm i will have to see
[05:36] <LaserJock> well, can we seperate out build machines from test machines?
[05:36] <LaserJock> build machines are better security wise and can be distributed without much problem
[05:37] <nixternal> woohoo SNOWFLAKES!!!
[05:37] <TheMuso> LaserJock: We could do hat, yes.
[05:37] <TheMuso> *that
[05:37] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: what would be the benifet >
[05:37] <LaserJock> build machines could be anybody (almost)
[05:37] <LaserJock> all they need is pbuilder
[05:38] <LaserJock> they don't have to give us ssh
[05:38] <TheMuso> More than that, we could also put together cross-compile chroots like what imbrandon_ has done with pcc.
[05:38] <TheMuso> ppc
[05:38] <TheMuso> So some grunty AMD64/i386 machines could also server as ppc builders.
[05:38] <LaserJock> the con to having seperate build machines is bandwidth
[05:39] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: well the whole thing about access is to build and test on the same box, otherwise i could upload to the normal buildds and watch it fail then fix it somewhere else
[05:39] <LaserJock> what is the reliability of coross-compiling
[05:39] <TheMuso> LaserJock: as I said earlier, the biggest problem with bandwidth is upstream.
[05:39] <LaserJock> imbrandon_: well, I'd much rather see it fail before it gets to the buildds
[05:39] <TheMuso> Big packages are no problem to download, but to upload...
[05:39] <LaserJock> and not have to bump the version just case it FTBFS
[05:39] <imbrandon_> right , thus building and testing on the same box
[05:40] <minghua> I think cross-compiling is still rather fragile
[05:40] <imbrandon_> think about the workflow otherwise
[05:40] <LaserJock> I'm just saying that we can get more donations for build machines then test machines
[05:40] <chillywilly> what sort of config files go in conffiles? Ones that the user typically does not have to modify?
[05:40] <TheMuso> minghua: Yea I know its not proven, but what imbrandon_ has experimented with is a start.
[05:40] <LaserJock> and perhaps thats an ok thing
[05:40] <imbrandon_> cross-compile is an option later on as i've been expirmenting with but its not the answer /yet/ its not proven
[05:42] <LaserJock> what would be nice is if we can have tiber work as a gateway
[05:42] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: well imho a distibuted envionment wont be as robust as a controled "farm" but my eyes are closing, i'll work up a proper email to -motu why later
[05:42] <LaserJock> so people upload to REVU, the source package gets sent to build machines
[05:42] <minghua> TheMuso: actually I am not sure exactly what imbrandon is doing.  I know if you want to just use gcc-powpc to compile a arch:ppc package on i386, it's rather fragile.  but imbrandon gave me the impression that he is building a native-like cross-compiled chroot
[05:42] <Burgundavia> TheMuso: rather than have a big team, why just start it informally?
[05:43] <Burgundavia> have people offer up machines to those they trust, etc.
[05:43] <TheMuso> Burgundavia: Thats what imbrandon_ has been doing.
[05:43] <Burgundavia> basically what the wiki page would list would be people and their machines
[05:43] <Burgundavia> speeds, arches, etc.
[05:43] <imbrandon_> Burgundavia: i already have started it informaly, thus this is the "next" step ;)
[05:43] <Burgundavia> I think we need to see what kind of need there is out there
[05:44] <Burgundavia> and what kind of supply we can get simply by asking people
[05:44] <imbrandon_> Burgundavia: i have a farm here i give MOTU access to and thats alot of what sparked this convo a few weeks ago
[05:44] <LaserJock> well, I think we know the need, and there are people offering to donate at least CPU time
[05:44] <Burgundavia> if we just start collecting those people onto a wiki page, we can start looking at bigger and better things later
[05:46] <LaserJock> well, from what I've seen. A fair amount of HW donators want to see a proccess in place
[05:46] <TheMuso> That makes sense, but why not get it right the first time, so that if we do move onto a more centralized/automated system later, there won't be downtime in transitioning machines over to the new system.
[05:46] <Burgundavia> the issue is, how much time are we going to try and spend setting it up?
[05:46] <joejaxx> goodnight i
[05:47] <joejaxx> imbrandon_:
[05:47] <LaserJock> hopefully not much :-)
[05:47] <LaserJock> the arch thing is a decently big issue for me
[05:48] <joejaxx> ajmitch: i looked at the debian list you told me about
[05:48] <LaserJock> I have no amd64 or ppc to build or more importantly test on
[05:48] <LaserJock> therefore I mostly ignore amd64 or ppc bugs or try to poke somebody
[05:48] <LaserJock> but it's a bit hard to do that
[05:49] <TheMuso> LaserJock: What is annoying, is getting a package uploaded knowing it built fine in your pbuilder, but it failing on an arch in te build servers.
[05:49] <LaserJock> right
[05:50] <ajmitch> TheMuso: we had great fun doing that with mono at UDU
[05:50] <TheMuso> And not that I've had this happen, but if it were sparc, what do people to then? :)
[05:50] <LaserJock> but right now I'm even more annoyed at getting yelled at for ignoring ppc and amd64 users
[05:50] <ajmitch> I think it took us 5 upload & bugging lamont a couple of times to unbreak the chroots
[05:50] <TheMuso> heh
[05:50] <joejaxx> TheMuso: :P
[05:50] <joejaxx> TheMuso: i have some old ultrasparcs
[05:50] <TheMuso> *do
[05:51] <ajmitch> we were trying to get mono on amd64 going properly :)
[05:51] <minghua> LaserJock just needs to learn being insensitive :-)
[05:51] <ajmitch> he needs to become a DD
[05:52] <LaserJock> yes, yes, I know
[05:52] <LaserJock> I just care too much ;-)
[05:52] <minghua> ajmitch: but port machines in Debian are frozen now? :-)
[05:53] <LaserJock> I just feel bad
[05:53] <minghua> LaserJock: you should just be happy that your boss's girlfriend is not a user of your package :-)
[05:53] <joejaxx> ajmitch: most of the packages on that debian are already being maintained currently in ubuntu
[05:53] <LaserJock> well, my boss used my Ubuntu box today
[05:53] <joejaxx> debian list*
[05:53] <minghua> (and I'm not kidding, I heard that from a fellow Debian maintainer)
[05:54] <LaserJock> that would be interesting though
[05:54] <joejaxx> ajmitch: the orphan package list that is
[05:55] <minghua> to make things worse - he is the Debian maintainer, the Ubuntu package in dapper is a broken version, and he got bug reports for that
[05:55] <minghua> unfortunately saying "no, it's not business" is not an option when talking to your boss's g/f
[05:55] <minghua> s/business/my business/
[05:55] <ajmitch> joejaxx: what do you mean, they're maintained in Ubuntu?
[05:56] <joejaxx> ajmitch: take motor for exmaple
[05:56] <joejaxx> example
[05:56] <joejaxx> ajmitch: it is on the debian orphan list but is in edgy
[05:56] <ajmitch> so?
[05:56] <ajmitch> just because it's orphaned doesn't mean it's removed
[05:56] <LaserJock> it just becomes like Universe ;p
[05:57] <minghua> LOL
[05:57] <joejaxx> is there a list of orphaned ubuntu packages?
[05:58] <TheMuso> joejaxx: In universe, there is no such thing.
[05:58] <joejaxx> oh ok
[05:58] <joejaxx> so packages just get blacklisted like webmin?
[05:58] <TheMuso> What has blacklisting got to do with anything?
[05:58] <minghua> webmin is simply remove, AFAIK
[05:59] <minghua> s/remove/removed/
[05:59] <joejaxx> TheMuso: i am trying to figure out how there are no orphan packages in universe
[06:00] <TheMuso> As far as I understand it, universe maintainers are not specifically tied to one package.
[06:00] <TheMuso> For example, we all do package merges in a dev release cycle, even though we may have never touched that package before, and may never again.
[06:00] <TheMuso> Other MOTUs can come along and do stuff to that package that we have previously touched.
[06:01] <LaserJock> joejaxx: there are no orphaned packages in Universe because by definition MOTU are maintainers of *all* of Universe/Multiverse
[06:01] <joejaxx> when i say orphaned i mean not up to date
[06:01] <LaserJock> oh, those are totally different
[06:01] <joejaxx> like if a packages is still at version blah
[06:01] <joejaxx> in breezy
[06:01] <LaserJock> orphaned means it doesn't have a maintainer
[06:01] <minghua> ( ... I would rather call Universe "all orphaned unless specified otherwise", but that's just me )
[06:01] <joejaxx> and still the same version in edgy
[06:02] <joejaxx> even though there have been more recent versions
[06:02] <TheMuso> How about a package can be outdated.
[06:02] <LaserJock> minghua: bah, "glass half empty"
[06:02] <minghua> LaserJock: yeah, I said it's just me ;-)
[06:03] <joejaxx> TheMuso: i guess so i just thought them being outdated meant no one whether one person or more was maintaining the package
[06:03] <LaserJock> joejaxx: http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/unimultiverse-all.html
[06:03] <joejaxx> thus becoming an orphan package
[06:03] <minghua> joejaxx: even in Debian, a package with maintainer can still be outdated with respect to upstream
[06:03] <LaserJock> no
[06:04] <minghua> joejaxx: and I still don't know by outdated you mean compared with Debian or upstream
[06:04] <joejaxx> minghua: but does that not mean the package is not being maintained?
[06:04] <joejaxx> LaserJock: thank you :D
[06:04] <LaserJock> 2 possibilites, 1) it is "outdated" for a reason. we don't always need the latest version 2) packages are updated as much as we can
[06:05] <minghua> joejaxx: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/ch-pkgs.en.html#s-orphaning
[06:05] <minghua> joejaxx: that's orphaning's definition for you
[06:05] <LaserJock> so sometimes packages don't get updated because we didn't have time to do it
[06:05] <TheMuso> More to the point, we don't always no about them.
[06:05] <LaserJock> yes
[06:05] <TheMuso> Which is what Lucus' list tries to help with.
[06:05] <LaserJock> well, in MOTU Science we do ;-)
[06:05] <joejaxx> minghua: If you can no longer maintain a package, you need to inform the others about that, and see that the package is marked as orphaned.
[06:06] <minghua> joejaxx: and no, outdated with respect to upstream doesn't mean the package is not being maintained, the maintainer may have very good reason
[06:06] <joejaxx> minghua: that is the reason i thought that
[06:06] <joejaxx> minghua: minghua moh ok
[06:06] <minghua> joejaxx: see my last comment
[06:07] <joejaxx> minghua: yeah
[06:08] <minghua> joejaxx: and there is often the case "I can't maintain the package for next six months for (whatever reason)"
[06:08] <minghua> joejaxx: in that case, the package is usually not orphaned
[06:08] <joejaxx> minghua: oh ok i see
[06:09] <joejaxx> LaserJock: outdated in ubuntu :D
[06:11] <joejaxx> LaserJock: this list is great thanks
[06:12] <minghua> eww, we still has gnutls11 and xft1 in edgy?
[06:13] <minghua> (that's just the top of the list)
[06:13] <joejaxx> :P
[06:29] <ajmitch> right, I can hopefully get this package built, tested & uploaded before tfheen freezes the archive
[06:32] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: testing is for chumps
[06:32] <Plug> RACE BEGINS
[06:33] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: yes, but f-spot is on the CD, so it sort of needs testing :)
[06:34] <ajmitch> I was just grabbing fixes from CVS that are fairly isolated
[06:34] <ajmitch> aha, build failure
[06:50] <LaserJock> man, these daily 100+MB of updates are interesting
[06:50] <LaserJock> It'd be nice if you didn't have to upload *all* of KDE each time
[06:51] <LaserJock> s/upload/download/
[06:52] <LaserJock> every day I dist-upgrade 2 edgy machines
[06:52] <LaserJock> that's got to be a lot of bandwidth :-)
[06:53] <minghua> LaserJock: you need an proxy
[06:53] <minghua> a*
[06:53] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: well going from kde 3.5.4 to 3.5.5 kinda takes it /all/ to be uploaded
[06:53] <minghua> damn grammar
[06:54] <LaserJock> imbrandon_: hmm, is that what it is?
[06:54] <imbrandon_> yup
[06:54] <LaserJock> I thought I just did the "download K*" just the other day
[06:55] <LaserJock> minghua: I'd like to convince the CS department here to make an Ubuntu mirror
[06:55] <imbrandon_> probably we've been patching the hell out of it compared to dapper
[06:55] <imbrandon_> lol
[06:55] <TheMuso> imbrandon_: Couldn't sleep?
[06:55] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: sneek 40gb is hdd space somewhere and run a cron, i run one here for dapper,edgy,sarge,and sid ;.)
[06:56] <minghua> LaserJock: yeah, that would be good.  but you can always set up something like apt-proxy yourself
[06:56] <imbrandon_> TheMuso: no, i got wrapped up closing some bugs in debian
[06:56] <imbrandon_> ;(
[06:56] <TheMuso> heh
[06:56] <imbrandon_> apt-mirror is nice too ( shameless plug )
[06:56] <LaserJock> imbrandon_: is it 40GB for just 1 arch
[06:57] <imbrandon_> about 30 to 40 depending on the arch
[06:57] <LaserJock> why is that a shameless plug?
[06:57] <ajmitch> there, a bunch of f-spot fixes uploaded
[06:57] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: i'm part of upstream for it
[06:57] <imbrandon_> infact thats what i was fixing up just now
[06:57] <LaserJock> oh really
[06:57] <LaserJock> cool
[06:58] <imbrandon_> for debian ( as it wont make edgy ) for 0.4.5
[06:58] <Plug> I'm a shameless Plug
[06:58] <LaserJock> yikes
[06:58] <imbrandon_> but 0.4.4 is very useable infact me and many others use it , .5 is mostly speed increases
[06:58] <imbrandon_> ouch
[06:59] <Plug> that'll look good in front of the CC.  "I'd advocate Plug in a heartbeat, but this one time, he took his pants off."
[06:59] <ajmitch> Plug: you must get on well with jdub
[06:59] <imbrandon_> lol
[06:59] <LaserJock> well, if I could do it in OS X it'd be great :/
[06:59] <Plug> I'm unsure of that.  I got very drunk with mrs jdub (and also the DPL) one night at LCA
[06:59] <ajmitch> heh
[07:00] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: it should work in osx if you have wget and perl ( it works on windows ;( )
[07:00] <Plug> apparently I'd convinced AJ he was a leprechaun
[07:00] <Plug> but I dont believe that for a second
[07:00] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: i'll look at porting it , should be simple
[07:00] <Lathiat> haha thats class
[07:00] <ajmitch> approx the right height for it
[07:00] <Lathiat> hopefully find out if my papers were accepted this year soon
[07:00] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: wget is installed by default in osx isnt it ?
[07:00] <Plug> hey Lathiat
[07:00] <ajmitch> Lathiat: avahi again?
[07:01] <Plug> I hadn't planned on going this year, but I might do so for some personal reasons
[07:01] <Lathiat> yeh and ipv6-support in apps
[07:01] <LaserJock> imbrandon_: not sure (I'm thinkin not) but I have it via fink for sure
[07:01] <Plug> wanna go work overseas next year sometime
[07:01] <ajmitch> Plug: fun, I might see you there
[07:02] <LaserJock> imbrandon_: do you have a tarbal of it?
[07:02] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: then it shouldent be hard to port, i'll look at it in the morning
[07:02] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: apt-get source it heh
[07:02] <imbrandon_> its in the repos
[07:02] <LaserJock> hmm, that's true
[07:02] <imbrandon_> it only consists of 2 files other than packageing
[07:02] <LaserJock> I've never though of adding Debian/Ubuntu to my sources.list
[07:03] <ajmitch> Plug: where do you plan to go for work?
[07:03] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: apt-mirror ( perl script ) and mirror.list ( default config )
[07:03] <imbrandon_> are the only "program files"
[07:04] <imbrandon_> and only deps are perl and wget
[07:04] <Plug> ajmitch: I like Canadia.
[07:04] <Plug> (Any Canadans here?  Burgundavia?)
[07:04] <LaserJock> imbrandon_: is there a way to throttle it?
[07:04] <ajmitch> most have gone off to sleep for some reason
[07:05] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: hrm , not really
[07:05] <LaserJock> hmm
[07:05] <imbrandon_> i dont know if there is a way to throttle wget
[07:05] <LaserJock> I think you can
[07:06] <imbrandon_> i can look into it though
[07:06] <imbrandon_> i'm working on 0.4.5 right now anyhow, if there is a way i'll add it
[07:06] <LaserJock> well, I just wondered if the uni would raise an eyebrow if I downloaded  40GB at full speed ;-)
[07:06] <imbrandon_> figured it would be something good to work on while we're in RC freeze
[07:06] <Plug> ajmitch: funny habit really
[07:07] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: true, might be a nice feature
[07:07] <imbrandon_> tbh i had never thought of it before
[07:08] <LaserJock> well, I have a rather nice connection at the uni
[07:08] <imbrandon_> hehe
[07:08] <LaserJock> but single handedly running an Ubuntu mirror might be a little much
[07:08] <ajmitch> imbrandon_: work on universe during RC freeze please :)
[07:08] <imbrandon_> haha its simple, you run it via cron and forget about it ;)
[07:09] <imbrandon_> ajmitch: definately
[07:09] <LaserJock> imbrandon_: well, I wasn't talking about work, but bandwidth
[07:10] <imbrandon_> ahh true, mine is technicly open to the public but if you dont make it known then none will use it ;)
[07:10] <imbrandon_> ( and really only good if your on my lan as far as speed )
[07:10] <imbrandon_> but you /can/ get to it via the net
[07:11] <LaserJock> well, I have good upload too so I'd imagine people would like it ;-)
[07:11] <LaserJock> but actually making it into a department Ubuntu mirror would be cool
[07:11] <minghua> LaserJock: just FYI, apt-proxy is not a mirror
[07:11] <LaserJock> yeah, I know
[07:12] <minghua> good then
[07:12] <minghua> although I think apt-proxy is much harder to port to OS X
[07:12] <imbrandon_> yea thats ones nice thing about apt-mirror you can run it virtualy anywhere
[07:12] <LaserJock> well, a full mirror would be more interesting to me really
[07:13] <imbrandon_> and you can add other arches trivialy without adding them all
[07:13] <imbrandon_> like i mirror i386+source+ppc here myself
[07:14] <imbrandon_> but no amd64 etc etc etc
[07:14] <LaserJock> well, I'd only need i386
[07:14] <LaserJock> and source
[07:14] <imbrandon_> yea
[07:14] <LaserJock> I don't think we have any amd64 or ppc Ubuntu machines in the department
[07:14] <imbrandon_> thats what it defaults to in the config ( with commented examples for other arches )
[07:16] <nixternal> http://mik.unpackable.org/humping_iceweasel.gif
[07:16] <nixternal> gahahahahahaha
[07:17] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IceWeaselIcon
[07:18] <LaserJock> hmm :/ I'm just not getting CVS
[07:18] <imbrandon_> LaserJock: here is the two raw files for it http://federation.imbrandon.com/{apt-mirror,mirror.list} if you wanna grab it and try ti before i fire up osx tomarrow
[07:19] <Lathiat> nixternal: i can't help but feel the iceweasal icon is a little 'too close' to the firefox icon
[07:19] <nixternal> i think so as well, but the humping iceweasel takes the cake
[07:20] <Lathiat> YEH IT DOES
[07:20] <Lathiat> I VOTE FOR THAT ONE
[07:20] <VoX> if people need an amd64 machine for testing packages, i have one available
[07:20] <imbrandon_> i dont see the point of adding icewezle to ubuntu, i mean if we are gonna put ff in multiverse just ship emphany/konqueror why add yet another brower
[07:21] <Lathiat> Faceless' icon should be the throbber for Iceweasel,
[07:21] <Lathiat> HEH
[07:21] <LaserJock> imbrandon_: we don't know what we're going to do yet
[07:21] <seaLne> is the change likely to happen for edgy?
[07:22] <Lathiat> has there even been an official decision yet?
[07:22] <seaLne> no that i've seen on the list
[07:22] <ajmitch> no, and every keeps asking that question every day
[07:22] <LaserJock> mdz is working on it
[07:22] <seaLne> :)
[07:23] <LaserJock> but as he pointed at on -devel, the turnaround in his latest discussion was 10 days
[07:32] <LaserJock> hmm, the other bad thing about these big updates is apt seems to really slow down my machine
[07:32] <LaserJock> it really feels like the reniced apt-get or something
[07:42] <imbrandon_> ugh i hate perl sometimes
[07:42] <LaserJock> wahoo
[07:42] <imbrandon_> ?
[09:38] <dholbach> good morning
[09:42] <BHSPitMonkey> good night
[09:43] <wickedpuppy> good evening here
[09:43] <dholbach> BHSPitMonkey: sleep tight
[09:48] <Q-FUNK> dholbach: planner patch merged in Debian. thanks!
[09:48] <dholbach> Q-FUNK: cool - already saw it
[09:50] <Q-FUNK> guys, am I the only one who misses favicons in FF since yesterday's update?
[09:51] <Fujitsu> Q-FUNK, all favicons missing? I've got LP's...
[09:52] <BHSPitMonkey> uh oh
[09:52] <BHSPitMonkey> I'm getting yesterday's update right now...
[09:52] <BHSPitMonkey> oh well
[09:52] <Lathiat> hrm evolution leaks like a sive
[09:52] <Lathiat> few days its up to 27% of 512M
[09:52] <BHSPitMonkey> damn
[09:52] <Lathiat> reopen it sback to 6.6%
[09:53] <BHSPitMonkey> and it ISN'T made by mozilla??
[09:53] <BHSPitMonkey> zing!
[09:54] <BHSPitMonkey> dang, I've got an hour left on these assorted updates
[09:54] <BHSPitMonkey> better go to sleep
[09:56] <BHSPitMonkey> does anyone here know "Tom Cato Amundsen" or "Scott James Remnant"
[09:56] <crimsun> the latter is 'keybuk'
[09:57] <BHSPitMonkey> right
[09:57] <BHSPitMonkey> launchpad leads me to believe so as well
[09:57] <BHSPitMonkey> is he on here at times?
[09:57] <crimsun> in here, very rarely. Nearly always in -devel, -kernel, -boot, ...
[09:58] <BHSPitMonkey> well, I just meant freenode
[09:58] <BHSPitMonkey> but thanks
[09:58] <BHSPitMonkey> I'll keep an eye out
[10:00] <Fujitsu> BHSPitMonkey, in that case, he's /always/ here. During his working hours, at least.
[10:01] <BHSPitMonkey> this apparently isn't such a time
[10:01] <BHSPitMonkey> but I'll look during daylight tomorrow
[10:04] <TheMuso> There is a -boot channel for Ubuntu?
[10:04] <Plug> It's for Canadians. :)
[10:04] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee!
[10:04] <siretart> dholbach: ajmitch: I have a question about FAI 3.0 for edgy. The thing is that I'm working with Thomas Lange (FAI upstream) together to get it working in edgy
[10:05] <siretart> dholbach: ajmitch: its not ready yet, but the current fai packages won't work with edgy as well
[10:05] <ajmitch> siretart: ok, I generally trust your judgement on getting things in & tested :)
[10:05] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu!
[10:05] <siretart> dholbach: therefore I'd suggest, that I continue working with him until we have a working  set of 'faikernels' and 'fai' packages, that I can use in my vmware test setup, and get that one in edgy
[10:06] <dholbach> siretart: sounds cool
[10:06] <siretart> dholbach: ajmitch: therefore I'm asking you for your opinions if I can continue my work, and get a last minute approval for that, or if we want to live with a broken fai for edgy
[10:06] <dholbach> siretart: I'll cheerlead for you
[10:07] <Plug> night all
[10:07] <ajmitch> siretart: I'm happy with that
[10:08] <BHSPitMonkey> I wonder how I have 1363 karma on launchpad
[10:08] <BHSPitMonkey> does it just appreciate over time?
[10:08] <crimsun> if you do nothing, the opposite.
[10:17] <BHSPitMonkey> all I've done on there is comment on some things
[10:17] <BHSPitMonkey> oh well
[10:18] <minghua> bug comments get you karma points
[11:15] <ajmitch> accurate enough, I hope
[11:16] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Sounds fine to me.
[11:16] <ajmitch> not just new upstream version - all uploads have to be manually processed now
[11:17] <ajmitch> just a warning if you're surprised that things don't come through quickly
[11:17] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: *everything?*
[11:17] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: whatever for?
[11:18] <Hobbsee> what about unmet deps fixes?
[11:18] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: because they can't selectively freeze just main
[11:18] <Hobbsee> bah.  fix it so that they can
[11:18] <Hobbsee> fair enough, i guess
[11:18] <minghua> ajmitch: what about s/Uploads/Any uploads/ in channel topic?
[11:19] <ajmitch> 20:58 < infinity> ajmitch: It doesn't need strict checking, per se, just yay or nay approval so I'm not blindly letting everything through.
[11:19] <ajmitch> minghua: I wasn't sure if I could fit it all in :)
[11:19] <ajmitch> yeah, it cut off
[11:19] <minghua> ...
[11:20] <ajmitch> better :)
[11:21] <minghua> ajmitch: thanks
[11:21] <minghua> though that looks like a hint to make the topic briefer...
[11:22] <Hobbsee> the only problem is that no one reads the topic anyway
[11:22] <Hobbsee> well, very few people
[11:23] <ajmitch> I know
[11:23] <ajmitch> it's just to let some people know, word will spread
[11:27] <geser> how are uploads now supposed to work? simply assign all debdiffs and sync requests to motu-uvf for approval?
[11:29] <Hobbsee> geser: not assign.  subscribe.
[11:29] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: does that mean filing a bug now for each upload, etc?  how long will this last?
[11:30] <StevenK> Until release.
[11:30] <StevenK> The entire archive is frozen.
[11:30] <Hobbsee> gah.
[11:30] <Hobbsee> but...that's like....14 days.
[11:30] <StevenK> Deal. :-P
[11:30] <Hobbsee> hah.
[11:31] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: no, you don't need to spam malone that much
[11:31] <ajmitch> it's more work for us, not for you
[11:31] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: right, so what do we have to do?
[11:31] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: ahh
[11:31] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: so just upload, then wait?
[11:31] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:32] <StevenK> Leet.
[11:32] <StevenK> Now Kamion, Keybuk, tfheen and motu-uvf can be overworked.
[11:32] <ajmitch> I'm not sure of all the details yet about getting the list of packages
[11:32] <ajmitch> StevenK: you forget infinity
[11:32] <StevenK> Oh yes, right.
[11:32] <ajmitch> dholbach will probably find out later once I'm off sleeping :)
[11:32] <StevenK> Oh damn.
[11:33] <Hobbsee> hah.
[11:33] <ajmitch> & correct anything I misled you with
[11:33] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: now that you've just used his nick, he'll find out what we've said
[11:33] <ajmitch> yep
[11:33] <StevenK> This machine didn't notice I put a blank DVD in.
[11:33] <ajmitch> hopefully dinner is cooked
[11:34] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it's caught fire.
[11:34] <dholbach> where and how can I help who?
[11:37] <ajmitch> dholbach: sorry, just explaining the freeze
[11:38] <StevenK> Hum.
[11:38] <StevenK> This machine is in serious need of a reboot.
[11:38] <ajmitch> I think that if we find the freeze unworkable, it can be changed
[11:41] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: sorry I don't have your culinary skills - it didnt catch fire :)
[11:41] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hah.
[11:41] <ajmitch> where recently means this week? :)
[11:41] <Hobbsee> dholbach: you can fix everything in the universe.  kthnksbye!
[11:41] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: try the entire month :P
[11:42] <dholbach> ...
[11:43] <ajmitch> don't stress him
[11:44] <siretart> SIGLUNCH
[11:52] <sivang> hi all
[11:53] <ajmitch> hello sivang
[11:53] <sivang> hey ajmitch
[11:53] <sivang> how's it going?
[11:53] <niru> sivang:hello
[11:54] <niru> do you know how to set up sbuild
[11:54] <azeem> most people use pbuilder
[11:54] <niru> pbuilder?
[11:54] <niru> what it is for
[11:54] <azeem> same as sbuild
[11:55] <niru> will sbuild update the repository
[11:55] <sivang> kristog: pong , btw
[11:55] <azeem> niru: which repository?
[11:55] <azeem> niru: there is a helper script to update the chroot
[11:56] <azeem> not sure whether those helpers works with Ubuntu, though
[11:56] <niru> Actually what is my requirment is:
[11:56] <niru> We have a mirror server of debian
[11:56] <niru> I want a tool that will update the repository as well as compile the packages
[11:57] <azeem> update how?
[11:57] <niru> In short how to build a binary debian repository from a source debian repository after minor modification
[11:58] <azeem> sbuild and pbuilder just build source packages you point them at
[11:58] <ajmitch> you could use the dak suite of tools for that, using sbuild
[11:58] <ajmitch> as an example
[11:58] <azeem> you will need to develop some surrounding glue to your solution
[11:58] <ajmitch> depends on how much pain you want
[11:58] <azeem> well, buildd/wanna-build help automating sbuild
[11:59] <azeem> but they are not trivial to setup
[11:59] <azeem> the backend repository can be dak or something simpler I guess
[11:59] <azeem> or maybe one can do something similar with launchpad? (as a canonical client, maybe)
[11:59] <niru> azeem:did you get my requirment
[12:00] <azeem> niru: sort of
[12:00] <sivang> niru: sorry, I've never played with sbuild before, I only use plain chroots
[12:00] <azeem> it doesn't sound like it is MOTU related, so I am not particularly interested in discussing it while being at work, sorry
[12:01] <sivang> does anybody know when slomo is supposed to be back ?
[12:03] <niru> azeem:launchpad?
[12:03] <azeem> niru: www.launchpad.net
[12:04] <niru> I heard about it but how to work arround that
[12:04] <ajmitch> sivang: sometime soon
[12:04] <sivang> ajmitch: sometime soon?
[12:04] <sivang> ajmitch: ah
[12:04] <sivang> :-)
[12:04] <ajmitch> sivang: he was unsure about when he might get back
[12:04] <sivang> sorry
[12:05] <sivang> ajmitch: yes, is he still vacationing ?
[12:05] <ajmitch> it was meant to be wednesday->wednesday, possibly longre
[12:05] <ajmitch> s/re/er/
[12:05] <ajmitch> afaik he is
[12:05] <sivang> ajmitch: how do you talk to him besides IRC? email?
[12:05] <ajmitch> mostly irc
[12:05] <ajmitch> sometimes email, not often
[12:06] <niru> azeem: I asked in launchpad site about the soyuz tool,
[12:06] <sivang> ajmitch: okay, thank you lots.
[12:06] <niru> azeem: they gave the info like, it is used only to maintain the archive
[12:07] <Tonio_> hi
[12:07] <niru> azeem: then in which way the tool will help in recompiling the pacakges and rename them from debian to ubuntu
[12:07] <Tonio_> any motu to revu wengophone please ?
[12:08] <Tonio_> current version doesn't build, and mdz was okay for an upgrade...
[12:08] <Tonio_> I just would like someone to revu it once, since the packaging is completly different from the previous one...
[12:08] <sivang> ajmitch: edgy frozen for RC as u-devel topic suggests doesn't mean we cannot fix unmetdeps in universe still, right?
[12:08] <azeem> niru: I said "maybe"
[12:08] <Tonio_> hi sivang
[12:09] <Hobbsee> sivang: correct, it will just take a while to process
[12:09] <ajmitch> sivang: no, upload away, they just will be delayed before being accepted
[12:09] <niru> azeem: who is the exact person who is dealing with this work
[12:10] <azeem> I don't know
[12:10] <azeem> niru: are you planning to do a Debian or Ubuntu derived distribution?
[12:10] <azeem> or just recompile some packages for fun?
[12:10] <azeem> is this for a business?
[12:10] <sivang> ajmitch, Hobbsee : cool mates, thanks.
[12:11] <niru> Ubuntu derived distribution
[12:12] <ajmitch> siretart: when you get back, what do you think of the large number of changes for bug 65625 ?
[12:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65625 in noteedit "UVF: [Sync Request]  noteedit (2.8.1-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65625
[12:12] <minghua_> niru: huh?  you said yesterday that you only want to recompile Debian packages?
[12:12] <azeem> niru: Launchpad's mission statement is to facilitate that
[12:13] <dholbach> pirast: what happened to the gaim-thinklight uvf?
[12:13] <dholbach> pirast: why did you reject it?
[12:15] <pirast> bug 65338
[12:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65338 in gaim-thinklight "[UNMETDEPS]  gaim-thinklight has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65338
[12:15] <pirast> ;-)
[12:16] <dholbach> so bug 65562 is a dup of that
[12:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65562 in gaim-thinklight "[Sync]  Please sync gaim-thinklight" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65562
[12:16] <pirast> ah sorry
[12:16] <pirast> im a little bit confused
[12:16] <dholbach> don't worry
[12:16] <pirast> we were able to stay with the 0.4 version.. there was just a plain reupload needed
[12:16] <dholbach> ok cool
[12:16] <niru> azeem:how is ubuntu maintaining its repository
[12:17] <niru> How it updates the packages from the upstream
[12:17] <niru> how then it recompiles them and stores in its repository
[12:17] <niru> Is all this process manual
[12:17] <niru> or automated
[12:18] <pirast> dholbach, yeah and parallelly I built it in my pbuilder.. I then tried to install it and found out that it does not work. My first conclusion was that gaim-thinklight does not support gaim2.. But I then found out that my pbuilder was running dapper and that it works when I rebuild 0.4
[12:19] <dholbach> ahhh ok
[12:19] <dholbach> I see
[12:19] <dholbach> easy mistake to make
[12:19] <dholbach> hey cassidy
[12:19] <cassidy> hi !
[01:02] <niru> cassidy:hi
[01:02] <niru> how to use soyuz?
[01:13] <siretart> ajmitch: done
[01:14] <ajmitch> siretart: what was your opinion of it?
[01:14] <ajmitch> siretart: ok, both you & daniel approved it, so it can be confirmed
[01:16] <siretart> ajmitch: btw, I really think we should target bug #62751 for edgy
[01:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62751 in upstart "Upstart doesn't activate luks volumes in cryptsetup" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62751
[01:16] <ajmitch> hm, yes
[01:16] <siretart> ajmitch: unfortunately, I don't know how to fix it. :(
[01:16] <ajmitch> I should look into that - I have crypto swap that doesn't get enabled
[01:17] <ajmitch> yet that should be completely non-interactive
[01:18] <siretart> even interactive cryptsetup boots should work. it used to work in dapper, and I think its a fairly common setup for laptops
[01:18] <ajmitch> I agree
[01:24] <ajmitch> siretart: probably /sbin/cryptsetup luksOpen in the initscript
[01:24] <ajmitch> trying to get that to avoid using /dev/tty could be a mission
[01:25] <siretart> ajmitch: well, it somehow needs to ask the passphrase from the keyboard, no?
[01:25] <ajmitch> yes
[01:26] <elmargol> Hi if i start gtk pod i get "Segmentation fault (core dumped)", mabe someone of you can help me=?
[01:26] <ajmitch> probably have to check with keybuk how that will work with upstart
[01:26] <thom> ajmitch: my cryptoswap works ok, but the interactive one definitely doesn't
[01:26] <siretart> ajmitch: IIRC, he started to look at it, but didn't finish it
[01:28] <ajmitch> thom: that doesn't surprise me - my laptop does some other weird things anyway
[01:28] <Riddell> dholbach: can I upload xdg-utils 1.0?  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/xdg-utils.diff
[01:28] <ajmitch> I generally don't notice the lack of swap
[01:29] <dholbach> Riddell: um - I already worked on it - did you fix the clash in the email-generic patch?
[01:29] <dholbach> Riddell: because Kamion rejected my upload about it
[01:29] <Riddell> I did yes
[01:29] <Riddell> but if you're working on it, go ahead
[01:30] <dholbach> I think I fixed it in the same (wrong) way
[01:30] <dholbach> let me get the reference
 dholbach: your xdg-utils patch updates are wrong - they produce duplicate code in xdg-email at least
 dholbach: could you upload -0ubuntu2 correcting that?
 Keybuk: I was up hideously late last night and need a bit of rest now. Can you take over the unapproved queue? The xdg-utils upload in there has some wrong bits in the xdg-email patch - I've asked dholbach to fix that
 deliberately leaving it in the queue for comparison purposes
[01:33] <dholbach> Riddell: ^ if you want to do that, I'm happy :)
[01:34] <dholbach> but I can do it as well (once I got some other stuff out of the way)
[01:38] <Riddell> I don't see where it duplicates code
[01:38] <sivang> hmm, I'm was going to rebuild zope-cmfmember for it to dependen on >= zope2.9 , as it seems we don't have lower version. I am trying a rebuild on my edgy, and it seems zope-debhelper still doesn't att zope2.9 on the dependencies field , jus 2.7, 2.8, any ideas what's casuing it or what should I do ?
[01:38] <Riddell> although I've no idea what the "local client" line does at the start of open_kde()
[01:39] <ajmitch> yes
[01:42] <ajmitch> sivang: it states that it will work with zope 2.7 & 2.8
[01:43] <sivang> ajmitch: you mean, the upstream documentation for this?
[01:43] <ajmitch> no, the debian/dzproduct
[01:44] <sivang> right
[01:44] <sivang> so that's where it takes the list of zope's it will depend on for ${zope:Depends} I guesS?
[01:44] <ajmitch> correct
[01:44] <sivang> kool
[01:44] <sivang> I'll fix this right away
[01:45] <ajmitch> fix? you'll test it with 2.9?
[01:45] <sivang> I can, ues
[01:45] <sivang> yes
[01:45] <sivang> ajmitch: that is, add 2.9, rebuild, test with zope2.9 , is that okay?
[01:45] <sivang> (patch the dzproduct file)
[01:45] <ajmitch> I'd expect so, if it shows up any issues that might arise
[01:46] <ajmitch> & make sure you file a bug in debian :)
[01:46] <ajmitch> we like to keep zope especially in sync
[01:46] <ajmitch> since it's a joint team
[01:46] <sivang> ajmitch: I realize that, yes.
[01:46] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[01:47] <sivang> just one thing - how do I epxlain the added version, "there is now zope2.9 in ubuntu and because we'd like to be in sync we'd like you guys to fix it in debian as well?)
[01:47] <sivang> (on the debian bug report, ofcourse)
[01:47] <ajmitch> no
[01:47] <ajmitch> debian has the same packages
[01:47] <ajmitch> zope2.8 is removed from sid as well
[01:48] <sivang> right, thanks
[01:48] <ajmitch> now zope 2.10 is out :)
[01:48] <sivang> oh woo
[01:48] <sivang> I'm curious about the changelog, should check it sometime
[01:49] <ajmitch> probably lots more Five stuff
[01:49] <sivang> so sort'of 'backporting' from 3 to 2, nice
[01:49] <ajmitch> "ZPT implementation based on Zope 3"
[01:49] <ajmitch> http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.10.0/Zope-2_10_0_released
[01:50] <ajmitch> so yeah, lots of backport goodness
[01:50] <ajmitch> StevenK: welcome back!
[01:52] <ajmitch> though apparantly plone won't run on zope 2.10, which is a real pain
[01:53] <sivang> ajmitch: is 2.10 considered more stable, then 3? (trying to realize the rational behind not using greatest and the latest)
[01:53] <ajmitch> well they're somewhat different still
[01:53] <ajmitch> so I don't know if you can say one is more stable than the other
[01:54] <ajmitch> stuff written for 2.x needs some serious work to go on 3.x
[01:54] <ajmitch> don't you do stuff with zope 3?
[01:59] <sivang> ajmitch: well, Zope 3 has much more in the way of component re-use and pluginability, I've read about 2.x.x that it lacked most of the stuff 3 has on that regard. (never used it, just read about it in Phillips' book)
[02:00] <sivang> ajmitch: also, it seemed to not have the extreme de-coupleness as 3 has, where content, view and db obejcts are highly seperated.
[02:02] <ajmitch> yep
[02:02] <ajmitch> but zope 2.x has a *lot* more products developed for it
[02:03] <ajmitch> which is why I still use it (mainly for plone)
[02:03] <ajmitch> phillips' book is "web component development with zope 3" ?
[02:04] <sivang> ajmitch: indeed, very good one, although could use some touch finihses on the language ;-)
[02:05] <ajmitch> yes, I've got a copy of it here
[02:05] <ajmitch> hi ogra
[02:05] <sivang> but I really like this book, it's has much of the python philosophy menifested in zope philosophy and takes a very aggressiv hand-on appraoch
[02:05] <sivang> hey ogra
[02:05] <sivang> yay, dependnecy is fixed now
[02:06] <ajmitch> good
[02:06] <ajmitch> I'd say it should work fine with 2.9
[02:06] <sivang> ajmitch: indeed, I keep seeing you here almost in my timezone :-p
[02:06] <StevenK> Hah
[02:06] <sivang> ajmitch: me too, I haven't done any obtrusive changes
[02:06] <ajmitch> usually it's the old (2.6 or older) that break
[02:06] <StevenK> ajmitch has sometimes been seen conforming to AEST.
[02:06] <ajmitch> StevenK: that's not hard, being only 3 hours out
[02:06] <sivang> ajmitch: cool, I guess I shall upload now ?
[02:07] <ajmitch> sivang: sure, if you're happy that it works
[02:07] <sivang> ajmitch: okay, thanks.
[02:07] <ajmitch> StevenK: when do you switch to AEDT?
[02:07] <StevenK> End of October, I think
[02:08] <StevenK> I have other people tell me when to change the clocks. :-P
[02:08] <ajmitch> heh
[02:08] <ajmitch> I found out on irc a few hours before we changed
[02:08] <StevenK> Hah.
[02:08] <StevenK> Last time we changed I was up when it changed.
[02:08] <ajmitch> I just about was
[02:08] <StevenK> "I'll go to bed when it hits 2am"
[02:08] <StevenK> "1:59:59 -> 1:00:00" ... Drat!
[02:09] <Hobbsee> StevenK: *g*
[02:09] <Hobbsee> StevenK: it makes a good excuse for being home late.
[02:09] <StevenK> Heh
[02:09] <Fujitsu> Last Sunday of October is the changeover.
[02:09] <ajmitch> not that you ever need an excuse for that
[02:09] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no, no, of course not.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: isnt that right?  :P
[02:10] <StevenK> Heh
[02:10] <ajmitch> yes, of course
[02:10] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:11] <StevenK> I'll agree with the first one, the last two are dubious.
[02:11] <ajmitch> I know better than to comment
[02:12] <ajmitch> brave of you
[02:12] <ajmitch> and you even live closer
[02:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:12] <StevenK> Aww, Hobbsee's a cute little kitten.
[02:13] <sivang> hehe
[02:13] <sivang> guys, I remind you this is supposed to be for-all-family channel :-p
[02:13] <ajmitch> isn't she just so cute when she's angry? :)
[02:13] <sivang> ouch!
[02:13] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:14] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: very cute.  *attacks you with her axe*
[02:15] <StevenK> Hum.
[02:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:17] <StevenK> ajmitch: Do I just ask you to approve an upload?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> StevenK: you just upload.
[02:17] <Hobbsee> StevenK: unless it's a UVF
[02:17] <StevenK> Ah.
[02:17] <ajmitch> afaik the procedure hasn't really been sorted, since we're meant to hand on the ok to an archive admin
[02:17] <StevenK> It's an unmetdeps upload.
[02:18] <ajmitch> but just upload, we'll get asked when they go through the unapproved queue
[02:18] <StevenK> Should I mention unmetdeps in the changelog?
[02:19] <StevenK> Screw it.
[02:19] <StevenK> http://pastebin.ca/199239
[02:20] <StevenK> ajmitch: Does that look okay?
[02:20] <ajmitch> fine by me
[02:26] <zul> hey
[02:27] <ajmitch> night all
[02:28] <StevenK> Night ajmitch
[02:29] <Hobbsee> night ajmitch
[02:29] <Fujitsu> Goodnight, ajmitch.
[02:30] <azeem> /W/ 2
[02:30] <azeem> sorry
[02:50] <lophyte> morning all
[02:55] <geser> morning
[02:57] <lophyte> hi geser
[02:57] <lophyte> I just posted a debdiff for rssreader.app
[03:00] <geser> lophyte: adding a sync request to the bug would be better
[03:00] <geser> the archive admins pull it then from debian
[03:02] <kristog> sivang: yes, do you think to do also libgalago-gtk
[03:09] <kristog> sivang: i wanted to know if you think to upload also  galago-python
[03:11] <sivang> kristog: also? I haven
[03:11] <sivang> kristog: touched any of those, but happy to do them if needed.
[03:11] <sivang> kristog: ;)
[03:12] <sivang> are they in universe ?
[03:13] <kristog> sivang: yes!
[03:13] <sivang> kristog: cool, do you need them urgent ? are they unmetdeps or upstream + debian / ubuntu merge?
[03:13] <kristog> sivang: libgalago-gtk https://launchpad.net/bugs/65354
[03:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65354 in libgalago-gtk "[UNMETDEPS]  libgalago-gtk has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Fix released] 
[03:14] <kristog> sivang: i'm a motu too :) i was wondering (as you assigned it to you) if you think to do galago-gtk-python
[03:15] <sivang> kristog: I wanted to do those I assigned to myself, if you want to take any out of me that's okay :)
[03:15] <kristog> sivang: https://launchpad.net/people/galago :))))
[03:16] <sivang> kristog: ah okay, so only folks in the team are allowed to work on it? fine with me :-D
[03:16] <kristog> nono :)
[03:16] <sivang> hehe, kidding
[03:16] <kristog> join the group :)
[03:17] <sivang> okay, let me requst
[03:17] <kristog> cool :)
[03:17] <sivang> done
[03:17] <kristog> dholbach: ^
[03:17] <sivang> dholbach: :-D
[03:25] <Ramunas> Hello
[03:25] <Ramunas> it seems that the xchat-common has a bug
[03:26] <Ramunas> where and how should I submit it?
[03:26] <lophyte> preferably on launchpad :)
[03:27] <geser> lophyte: no need to open a seperate bug for each action
[03:27] <Ramunas> ok, I'll do that
[03:28] <lophyte> oh
[03:28] <lophyte> my basd
[03:28] <lophyte> bad, rather
[03:28] <geser> you could have simply add the needed info to the uvfe bug and change the title
[03:29] <lophyte> yeah, sorry
[03:29] <geser> np, you are still learning
[03:30] <geser> sync request needs an ACK from a MOTU (unless you are a MOTU)
[03:31] <lophyte> should I close the dupe then?
[03:31] <geser> yes
[03:33] <lophyte> so I should subscribe MOTU to that bug for a sync request?
[03:34] <geser> see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000181.html
[03:34] <geser> the second topic shows the current policy for sync requests
[03:35] <geser> add the needed info to bug 65497
[03:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65497 in rssreader.app "[Sync Request]  rssreader.app (0.6.2.dfsg-2) from debian unstable (main)" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65497
[03:36] <lophyte> alright
[03:37] <geser> simply state that the package has no ubuntu changes and add the new changelog entries
[03:45] <geser> lophyte: looks ok now
[03:49] <lophyte> geser: thanks :)
[03:51] <Q-FUNK> isn't the locale for spain es_ES?
[03:51] <StevenK> Q-FUNK: From memory, yes
[03:51] <geser> lophyte: usually you need an ACK from a MOTU but fortunately a granted uvfe is also sufficient (at least was for me)
[03:51] <Q-FUNK> or was it sp_ES?
[03:51] <geser> lophyte: therefore I've subscribed ubuntu-archive to the bug
[04:04] <dholbach> sivang, kristog: didn't I upload that yesterday?
[04:16] <sivang> libgalago-gtk (0.5.0-0ubuntu3) edgy; urgency=low
[04:16] <sivang>   * Rebuild against newest libgalago.
[04:16] <sivang>  -- Daniel Holbach <daniel.holbach@ubuntu.com>  Mon,  9 Oct 2006 11:53:13 +0200
[04:17] <sivang> kristog: ^^
[04:18] <sivang> dholbach: what's the differnece between libgalago-gtk{0,1} ?
[04:18] <sivang> dholbach: I wonder why the script fond it as unmetdeps then :-/
[04:18] <kristog> nothing, the new libgalago-gtk is only a rebuild.
[04:19] <dholbach> libgalago-gtk0 was before the soname change
[04:19] <dholbach> so "not important", does not exist in edgy anymore
[04:19] <dholbach> galago-gtk-python needs a giveback
[04:19] <dholbach> that's the only thing I see
[04:20] <sivang> I was also able to install gtk1 over here
[04:20] <sivang> -gtk1 , that is
[04:24] <sivang> dholbach, kristog : so probabl we can close this bug when -python is gave back
[04:24] <dholbach> we can close the bug anyway
[04:24] <sivang> right
[04:24] <dholbach> it's about libgalago-gtk
[04:25] <dholbach> cool
[04:25] <sivang> they don't depend on it
[04:25] <sivang> :-)
[04:25] <jdong> crimsun: when you find some spare time, x264 is ready. Avidemux needs its patch applied, and mplayer just needs a rebuild (bug 63842)
[04:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63842 in mplayer "UVF Exception Request: x264 to svn20060928 from marillat" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63842
[05:47] <sivang> dholbach: are uploads currently rejected?
[05:47] <dholbach> not rejected
[05:47] <dholbach> queued
[05:47] <sivang> hmm
[05:47] <dholbach> ubuntu-devel-announce@ has the announce
[05:47] <sivang> then I've done something wrong
[05:47] <sivang> Rejected:
[05:47] <sivang> Not permitted to upload to the RELEASE pocket in a release in the 'CURRENT' state.
[05:47] <sivang> what does that mean? :-)
[05:51] <sivang> dholbach: ah, noted.
[05:51] <sivang> dholbach: but it was rejected, FYI
[05:51] <dholbach> you uploaded to dapper
[05:51] <dholbach> ...
[06:23] <selinuxium> hi there all. I was wondering about the gpg signing thing. A group of us UK ubunteros are heading down to the LinuxExpo in London. I would like to do a gpg key swap to help me start packaging. Is there any MOTU member attending?
[06:24] <LaserJock> dholbach: reading tollef's Freeze announcement it sounds like we can't upload *anything* without UVFe team approval, is that right?
[06:24] <dholbach> just ask me for fixes
[06:24] <dholbach> or ajmitch, or siretart
[06:24] <dholbach> we'll cheerlead
[06:24] <dholbach> it's a syouz problem
[06:24] <LaserJock> ahhh
[06:24] <dholbach> not component-wise freezing
[06:25] <LaserJock> will that freeze go away after RC is released?
[06:25] <dholbach> i doubt it
[06:26] <siretart> LaserJock: I asked that before. the answer was 'no'
[06:26] <LaserJock> really??
[06:26] <LaserJock> that really stinks
[06:26] <lophyte> well considering we're like 2 weeks from release...
[06:27] <lophyte> it makes sense
[06:27] <LaserJock> heh
[06:27] <LaserJock> you haven't seen our previous releases
[06:27] <dholbach> and i'll heavily cheerlead for good fixes
[06:28] <dholbach> so don't let it stop you
[06:28] <LaserJock> was this discussed at the MOTU Meeting?
[06:28] <siretart> LaserJock: no, this was decided by the archive admins today, I think
[06:29] <lophyte> its been on the edgy release schedule forever, hasn't it?
[06:29] <LaserJock> it would have been nice to have some warning
[06:29] <LaserJock> lophyte: normally it wouldn't affect Universe like that
[06:29] <lophyte> oh, nm
[06:30] <lophyte> wrong item
[06:30] <lophyte> today is "NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline|
[06:39] <sivang> dholbach: thanks, corrected and reuploaded.
[06:48] <whiprush> dholbach: nice! I see they got flaim and xflaim already updated!
[06:48] <dholbach> yep :-)
[06:48] <dholbach> whiprush: I better not mention tseng's comments about it
[06:50] <dholbach> whiprush: but thanks for reminding me, I need to mail Andrew about it
[06:54] <whiprush> dholbach: I'm good for the beers, but I'm not so sure about the sexual favors. :p
[06:54] <dholbach> hahahahahahahahahahaha
[06:54] <dholbach> :-)
[06:57] <LaserJock> ok, so there is a possibility of getting some HW donation
[06:58] <gnomefreak> did i miss something while away? we are re-verting artwork back to dappers?
[06:58] <kristog> LaserJock: how?
[06:58] <LaserJock> a sales guy at System 76 wants us to send him info on what we'd like for our build farm
[07:00] <LaserJock> is there anything specific I can send him?
[07:01] <LaserJock> I'd say we're looking for 2-3 server machines of each arch
[07:01] <LaserJock> with ssh access and the ability to set up pbuilder
[07:01] <whiprush> that's a pretty impressive donation!
[07:02] <LaserJock> well, I don't think they're going to give it all to us
[07:02] <thom> whiprush: dude!
[07:02] <whiprush> hi thom!
[07:02] <LaserJock> but they want to know what we need
[07:02] <thom> yeah, if they spring for that lot it'd be pretty sweet
[07:02] <thom> whiprush: are you UDSing? it'd be great to buy you some beer :-)
[07:02] <whiprush> thom: I will be there!
[07:02] <whiprush> thom: work-sponsored and everything!
[07:03] <thom> excellent!
[07:03] <LaserJock> wahoo
[07:04] <phanatic> evening
[07:39] <chillywilly> how can I setup a watch file if the project is on sf.net? Just pick one of the mirrors?
[07:41] <chillywilly> ah, I can just use their ftp site I support
[07:41] <chillywilly> suppose*(
[07:41] <chillywilly> can't type on this weird spit keyboard
[07:41] <chillywilly> split too
[07:41] <chillywilly> funny typos
[08:02] <LaserJock> chillywilly: I think debian has a mechanism for that
[08:03] <kristog> LaserJock: for do what?
[08:03] <LaserJock> watch file urls for sf.net
[08:05] <kristog> chillywilly: http://pastebin.ca/199684
[08:05] <kristog> something like this
[08:07] <chantra> !localesconf
[08:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about localesconf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:07] <chantra> !localeconf
[08:07] <ubotu> localeconf: debconf interface to locale configuration. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.4.1 (dapper), package size 31 kB, installed size 196 kB
[08:07] <chantra> !locale
[08:07] <ubotu> To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[08:08] <chantra> arf, localeconf does not let me choose my locales :s
[08:19] <LaserJock> raphink: you awake still? I need a REVU admin for a sec
[08:21] <raphink> sure
[08:21] <raphink> LaserJock: it's 20:20 here
[08:21] <raphink> so yes i'm awake
[08:22] <raphink> what do you need me for?
[08:26] <LaserJock> raphink: can you clear the trapped stuff
[08:26] <LaserJock> kde-icons-lila in particular
[08:26] <raphink> which one?
[08:26] <raphink> done
[08:26] <LaserJock> thanks
[08:27] <raphink> yw
[09:36] <dholbach> good night
[09:40] <AnAnt> ping dholbach
[09:40] <dholbach> AnAnt: pong (but about to leave)
[09:41] <AnAnt> dholbach: well, I want to know where to report my opinion about edgy-gdm-themes
[09:41] <AnAnt> dholbach: I think the 0.4 one is better than 0.5 (which is actually dapper's theme)
[09:41] <dholbach> it says so in the changelog
[09:41] <AnAnt> says what ?
[09:41] <dholbach> and you will find that the discussion is already going on on ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
[09:41] <dholbach> it was not my decision
[09:41] <dholbach> and it's to be discussed on the mailing list
[09:41] <AnAnt> dholbach: ok, thanks
[09:42] <dholbach> thanks
[09:42] <dholbach> see you guys!
[09:42] <crimsun> 'night daniel
[09:42] <ajmitch> night dholbach
[09:42] <ajmitch> morning all :)
[09:43] <crimsun> 'morning ajmitch
[09:43] <ajmitch> yay for shift work ;)
[09:43] <dholbach> have a nice day, daniel!
[09:43] <dholbach> :-)
[09:54] <AnAnt> anyone knows the thread that dholbach was refering to regarding the artwork of gdm ?
[09:55] <mooey> AnAnt, 'reversion to dapper artwork'
[09:56] <AnAnt> k
[09:57] <AnAnt> thanks
[09:58] <slytherin> kristog: ping
[10:07] <chillywilly> could the postinst, preinst, postrm, prerm scripts be any more complicated?
[10:08] <chillywilly> it's kinda wacky stuff
[10:08] <chillywilly> it's like a big fugly state machine of options
[10:45] <superm1> in that large unmet deps list, if I catch something that is working (more then likely to the dep it needed being avail now), should I mark it fix released, fix committed or rejected?  (considering nothing changed in the local package)
[10:45] <crimsun> reject it
[10:45] <superm1> k
[10:46] <ajmitch> superm1: only if you know that every binary package for that source package is working
[10:46] <superm1> I just tried all of the binary packages
[10:46] <superm1> and they all were installable
[10:47] <superm1> and when i reran the unmet deps script locally, it didnt even show up in the list
[10:47] <ajmitch> what package?
[10:47] <superm1> denyhosts
[10:48] <ajmitch> uninstallable, it needs python2.3 stuff
[10:48] <superm1> how do i have python 2.3 stuff installed then?
[10:48] <ajmitch> which has recently been removed from the archive (or will be in a few days)
[10:48] <superm1> oh thats why
[10:48] <superm1> ok then
[10:49] <ajmitch> yeah, it's just been removed, you probably had it on upgrade
[10:49] <superm1> yea
[10:49] <superm1> i can fix up that package to remove all the python2.3 stuff and put a debdiff in the bug then
[10:50] <ajmitch> it may just need a rebuild, I haven't checked
[10:50] <ajmitch> hm, no it won't
[10:50] <superm1> well there is a denyhosts-python2.3 package in it
[10:50] <superm1> that needs to be removed then
[10:50] <ajmitch> yep
[10:50] <superm1> so i'll scrub it
[10:50] <ajmitch> check in debian first
[10:51] <ajmitch> odd, debian still has the package, even though the last upload was a week ago
[10:52] <superm1> Yea debian has a newer version that takes care of this
[10:52] <superm1> and makes the extra denyhosts-python2.3 package a transitional package
[10:53] <superm1> could we just sync then, or do we have to bother with a uvfe?
[10:53] <ajmitch> it's a new upstream, so it needs a UVFe
[10:53] <ajmitch> archive admins won't sync otherwise
[10:54] <superm1> oh ok.
[10:56] <superm1> who should I subscribe on the UVFe bug?
[10:58] <crimsun> siretart: / ajmitch: regarding bug 63842, may I  1) upload a rebuild-only mplayer, and  2) apply the avidemux patch and upload it?
[10:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63842 in mplayer "UVF Exception Request: x264 to svn20060928 from marillat" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63842
[10:59] <ajmitch> crimsun: yes & yes
[11:00] <crimsun> ajmitch: thank you
[11:03] <jdong> crimsun: yay! thanks
[11:03] <jdong> superm1: motu-uvf typically
[11:03] <superm1> okay figured as much, all done then. thx
[11:06] <BHSPitMonkey> it seems banshee-daap is broken
[11:07] <ajmitch> superm1: attached changelog, diffstat, build log, etc?
[11:07] <ajmitch> BHSPitMonkey: then file a bug
[11:08] <superm1> No i haven't, didnt realize I needed to.  I'll do so right now
[11:08] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/UVF
[11:08] <superm1> k thx
[11:11] <BHSPitMonkey> ajmitch, should the Bugs link work on that package's launchpad page?
[11:11] <BHSPitMonkey> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+package/banshee-daap
[11:12] <ajmitch>  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+package/banshee-daap
[11:12] <ajmitch> hm, sorry
[11:12] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bugs
[11:12] <BHSPitMonkey> ah
[11:13] <BHSPitMonkey> so, I wouldn't file a bug against the actual package for that plugin?
[11:13] <BHSPitMonkey> because the rest works, the plugin just doesn't
[11:13] <ajmitch> file bugs against source packages
[11:13] <ajmitch> you can write in that it's banshee-daap that's broken
[11:14] <ajmitch> if the bug isn't already filed
[11:14] <ajmitch> you haven't said how it's broken yet
[11:28] <chillywilly> there's some CVS dirs in the upstream source tarball that lintian gives a warning about...can I just ignore this warning?
[11:28] <chillywilly> these*
[11:35] <crimsun> siretart: / ajmitch: regarding bug 63001 and bug 63055, may I apply the attached debdiff (identical for both bug reports) and upload?
[11:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63001 in flashplugin-nonfree "Recommends libesd-alsa0 incorrectly" [Low,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63001
[11:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63055 in flashplugin-nonfree "flashplugin-nonfree installation fails, if flashplayer-mozilla is installed (should conflict)" [Undecided,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63055
[11:38] <ajmitch> crimsun: yes, you don't need to ask before uploading, but letting us know is good
[11:38] <ajmitch> since we then know what change was made when the archive team asks :)
[11:38] <crimsun> ajmitch: oh, I was under the impression that I needed the UVFe's team's prior to uploading, but ok :)  Thanks.
[11:38] <crimsun> UVFe team's, even
[11:39] <crimsun> bah, UVFe team's approval
[11:39] <ajmitch> approval is needed before they're accepted, but I hope that people just upload instead of waiting for us
[11:39] <chillywilly> when is edgy coming out?
[11:39] <ajmitch> I don't want to slow down the bugfixes :)
[11:39] <ajmitch> oct 26th
[11:39] <chillywilly> ooooh, looks like lintian is unhappy about several things
[11:39] <chillywilly> :P
[11:40] <chillywilly> ajmitch: woah, that's quick....it's been 6 months already?
[11:41] <ajmitch> 4.5
[11:41] <chillywilly> :-o
[11:41] <ajmitch> dapper released on june 1
[11:43] <Plug> that'll be oct 27 our-time
[11:43] <Plug> which is my birthday!
[11:43] <superm1> ajmitch, if a package just needs to be rebuilt, should I prod one of you guys to do it right now, or just notate it in the bug and wait till someone catches it?
[11:43] <ajmitch> superm1: if you note it in a bug, subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[11:43] <superm1> K
[11:44] <superm1> hehe
[11:44] <chillywilly> this edgy release is going to be a bit bleeding edge isn't it?
[11:45] <ajmitch> not at all
[11:46] <chillywilly> looks like I have some work to do on this...need write 2 man pages and finish my TODO list
[11:55] <chillywilly> ajmitch: is canonical providing support for edgy?
[11:55] <ajmitch> yes
[11:55] <chillywilly> how long?
[11:55] <ajmitch> they commit to supporting each distro
[11:55] <ajmitch> 18 months, same as the others
[11:56] <chillywilly> ok, but isn't dapper even longer?
[11:56] <ajmitch> yes
[11:56] <ajmitch> that's why it got the term LTS
[11:57] <chillywilly> right
[11:57] <chillywilly> ok, well just wondering if I should upgrade when the time comes :)
[11:58] <chillywilly> I don't have any support contract or anything like that
[12:01] <chillywilly> Linda: Unable to find a suitable .mo file!
[12:01] <chillywilly> what does that mean?
[12:01] <ajmitch> that linda has issues
[12:01] <chillywilly> :-/
[12:01] <ajmitch> blame the australian
[12:02] <chillywilly> who?
[12:02] <ajmitch> since he lives in this channel :)
[12:03] <chillywilly> I think I figured out who he is by looking at the copyright line in linda ;)
[12:05] <chillywilly> nothing replaces lintian eh? ;)