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nixternalthanks for listening12:26
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keltorsorianyone know anything about running LTSP with only one NIC and a separate DHCP server? went through the wiki on it, but whoever wrote it missed something i'm guessing06:01
thompacool if it works , i need to do same maybe06:03
thompaim having big problems with sata drive on everything06:04
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nixternalhttp://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/handbook/C/07:24
nixternalisn't it about meeting time?08:00
stgraberyes, it's :)08:00
RichEdindeed it is nixternal : just dropped the snotgobblers at school :)08:00
nixternalmy eyes are half crossed08:00
nixternalhahaha08:00
nixternalsnotgobblers08:01
RichEdwe'll keep it brief then :)08:01
nixternalyesterday was my snotgobblers 10th bday ;)08:01
nixternalwell, it ended an hour ago ;)08:01
RichEdHedgeMage: you awake stil ?08:01
RichEd*still08:01
HedgeMageRichEd: Yep, I'm here :)08:01
nixternalno RichEd, my eyes are half crossed from docbook hax0ring ;)08:01
RichEdwillvdl is supposed to be joining us ...08:02
HedgeMageWhere are we meeting?  Here or #ubuntu-education?08:02
RichEdis quiet here so should we just get going here ?08:02
RichEdwe can then see if will arrives ...08:02
nixternalhere is fine to me08:02
RichEddid you get the agenda email ? I'm just getting my copy08:02
nixternalsomeone just posted recently as well tot he edubuntu-devel list wanting to help out with documentation as well..seems he has experience to boot08:03
nixternali got the email08:03
RichEdgreat :)08:03
nixternalwell, hacking around tonight in the ubuntu doc repo, i got a very young version to build -> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/handbook/C/08:04
nixternalthe NOT COMPLETEs are .xml files that are empty08:04
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willvdlHi RichEd08:04
RichEdstrange ... I can't find my copy of the mail ... give me a sec08:04
nixternalthere is willvdl!08:04
nixternalhttp://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/docbook_structure.txt08:04
RichEdwillvdl: :)08:04
HedgeMagehi willvdl 08:04
nixternalthat is the recommended structure, and about how it should look in docbook as well...just stuff for us to go by08:05
RichEdah got the mail ...08:05
RichEdCan we work trhough the points quickly, and then add any others at the end ?08:05
nixternalsure08:05
HedgeMagecool08:05
willvdlHi Hedgemage, nixternal08:05
RichEd* Edubuntu Handbook General08:05
RichEd  = currently being looked after by Susan08:05
RichEd  => but she would like to hand over and move to dev work08:05
RichEd  => we would like to find a replacement and get them up to speed08:05
nixternalhiya willvdl08:05
RichEdI see from your blog page that you are also calling for volunteer help nixternal ...08:06
nixternal => but she would like to hand over and move to dev work08:06
nixternalhacker at heart i see ;)08:06
RichEdand HedgeMage you said you may have a possibility08:06
nixternalalways calling for volunteers RichEd08:06
RichEdand nixternal you said there was someone who made an offer08:06
RichEdSo: 1. what is needed from a resource point of view08:06
nixternalactually a couple that want to "help", don't know about "lead"08:07
RichEdwhat sort of time commitment is needed hege?08:07
HedgeMageRichEd: Possibility seems to have flaked out on us... I haven't been able to get ahold of him since I talked to you :(08:07
RichEdokay ... let's define the job spec and then we have something to send out to ask people about ... we can use the lists as well08:07
HedgeMageRichEd: It's pretty high right now (about 15 hours a week, not that I've been able to put in quite that much) but would go down to about 4 hours/week if we had more contributors.08:07
nixternalHedgeMage: im trying to lure them in ;)08:08
HedgeMageRichEd: this edition we got some contributions from RobinShepard, much from nixternal, and some from one other person... but other than that I've been trying to update everything myself.08:08
nixternali think the next couple of weeks will be hectic...i want to get the structure in place, and merge in the content as we go along08:08
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RichEdOkay ... we should try to spread the load and recruit a few people rather than 1.08:09
RichEdAnd skill set ? does the person need to understand it all technically, or will:08:09
nixternali think once we have a solid foundation, it will roll on all four wheels08:09
RichEd#1 working on the book make it clear08:09
RichEd#2 are there tech people who advise enough to assist ?08:09
nixternaltechnically would rock, but right now, if they know they can provide a paragraph, then bless their hearts, because we can use it08:09
HedgeMageRichEd: 90% of handbook can be handled by a moderately experienced user.08:10
nixternal#2 i would think so08:10
willvdlwell, there would be contributers and an editor08:10
HedgeMageRichEd: most of it is just sitting down, doing a common task, and taking step-by-step notes.08:10
nixternalactually, there will be a couple of editors...and i would say they would have the svn commit access as well08:10
RichEdgood willvdl structure is nice, and the title of editor may lure some sucker into committing :)08:10
nixternalwhich mdke needs to setup with rt08:10
HedgeMagelol RichEd 08:11
willvdlWe seem to referring specifically to the HAndbook right?08:11
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nixternalright now willvdl, yes08:11
HedgeMagewillvdl: yes08:11
HedgeMagecool thanks RichEd 08:11
RichEdwillvdl: yes, and more or less as it stands ... no major shakeups in the discussion ... a revised view between MV and Edgy+1 but under the new guidance08:11
willvdlokie. I'm thinking of documentation as a whole: ESA, handbook, technical snippits, wiki08:12
HedgeMagewillvdl: I'll stay on as Editor until someone new is found and brought up to speed, hopefully that will help things go smoothly.08:12
nixternalim going to start hammering out the stand-alone section as well, as soon as RC is released...i think we will be fine to start the section with RC, and then edit once final is released as well08:12
RichEdwillvdl: this is a subset discussion, but your cross cohesion will be important to you08:12
HedgeMagenixternal: Yes, that's exactly what we did last time around, and it worked well.08:12
RichEdHedgeMage: what about making you sort of executive editor for now, and dropping your responsibilities to an advisory level as we get new blood ?08:13
nixternalgood...i should have most of that done rather quick then, if Robin doesn't have an issue (sorry, dunno the online nick there)08:13
HedgeMageRichEd: That would be great.08:13
RichEdthen the new person at least knows they have yuo available for advise (but in a 2nd line capacity) ?08:13
nixternaland of course HedgeMage, i can help out where i can around here as well...i have a good amount of hourse available since im doing the student thing again at 32 ;)08:14
HedgeMageRichEd: that works... and I think it will help with continuity, which is something Handbook has desperately lacked thus far.08:14
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HedgeMagenixternal: you rock :D08:14
RichEdOkay, we've got an idea of time & roles & structure then ... moving on:08:14
RichEd2. what is needed from a process point of view08:14
nixternalyes, i know im a rock ;)08:14
RichEdis there a process laid out anywhere ?08:15
nixternalubuntu doc svn accounts for hedgemage at least08:15
willvdli.e. who commits, where, moderation etc?08:15
RichEdwe've got the svn commit rights ... what else is needed / defined ?08:15
nixternalshe knows what she is doing with that, so poking mdke to launch an rt request is all that needs to be done there08:15
RichEddeadlines per version ... when does the doc come out relative to the release ?08:15
nixternalRichEd: we are merging the docs over to ubuntu doc if i am not mistaken?08:16
RichEdnot sure nixternal : expand on that ?08:16
willvdlnixternal, as in doc.ubuntu 08:16
nixternalwell the ubuntu doc repo has the proven structure and all the necessary tie-ins for translation and rosetta08:16
HedgeMageRichEd: The original idea was to release handbook the day before ubuntu release (let everyone pounce on it while waiting) but that's not ever actually happened due to volunteer turnover, etc.  08:16
nixternalhttps://docteam.ubuntu.com i believe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository08:17
willvdloooh, hadn't even thought of translation08:17
RichEdthanks nixternal & HedgeMage 08:17
RichEdnow how do we work with new versions ... LTS vs Edgy ... does a new version come out for each release, and does the old version doc remain available ?08:18
nixternalplus all of the makefiles, and what not are readily available when it comes time for packaging, plus the lulu scripts, all of the preface files, and all licensing is on that server as well08:18
nixternalall we have to worry about with the handbook on the doc team server, is the handbook08:18
nixternaleverything else is in place..that is how i got a test build done so quickly08:18
willvdlor indeed anything else we put in there08:18
nixternalRichEd: i would think so on the release versions...mostly just updates really08:19
nixternallike what we already do for the Desktop Guides, Server Guides, Packaging Guides, and what not08:19
willvdlwell, docs should always reflect current snapshot08:19
HedgeMageRichEd: Yes we try to release a new version with each ubuntu release... most is just updates, though we are trying to slowly introduce some new material to spark some ideas of "oh, I could do this in my classroom" or "oh, I could do this with my kids" etc08:20
nixternaland thats the nice thing with the doc team repos as well, they get branched automagically every time...another thing we wouldn't have to worry about08:20
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willvdlwho merges the branches?08:21
nixternalmdke08:21
nixternalthe documentation god08:21
nixternalwhom i have been spending a lot of time with learning the ins and outs of the system as well08:22
nixternalthe translation stuff is huge, and would be a nightmare w/o the support or the structure08:22
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willvdlagreed there08:22
HedgeMagewb RichEd 08:22
RichEd-1damn adsl reset &%!$#08:22
nixternalhehe08:22
RichEd-1this was the last I got:08:23
RichEd-1willvdl> or indeed anything else we put in there08:23
nixternalwow RichEd, you missed quite a few lines08:23
nixternali will pastebin them08:23
nixternal!pastebin08:23
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)08:23
RichEd-1can someone repaste to me please or my logs will be incompete08:23
nixternalhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26561/08:23
nixternalRichEd ^^08:23
RichEd-1thanks ... loading it now08:24
willvdlbasically just that releases are coupled with new versions08:25
RichEd-1olkay ... back & up to speed08:25
RichEd-1*okay08:25
RichEdright moving on then ... next agenda point:08:27
RichEd3. what is the current status08:27
RichEd= what needs to be done before handover08:27
RichEd= what needs to be done for any deadlines08:27
RichEd= when could or should the handover take place08:27
nixternalLTSP is coming up for sure, the rest is rather empty yet, with a couple of pages with a paragraph or 2 on them08:27
RichEdCan I assume that nixternal and hedge have this under control, and will and I can look at the handover that takes place after the release ?08:27
nixternalstructure isn't there just yet, as you can see from the test build i provided08:27
RichEdOr do you guys need help now from us and tothers ?08:28
RichEd*others08:28
RichEdwhere do I see the test build ?08:28
nixternalwe need help with content, no doubt08:28
nixternalhttp://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/handbook/C/08:28
RichEdloading ...08:28
nixternaland this is what it should resemble docbook wise -> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/docbook_structure.txt08:28
willvdlPErhaps we could include in the edubuntu manifesto: though shalt write documentaiton :P08:29
nixternalthe structure i will get rocking for sure08:29
nixternalhaha willvdl +108:29
HedgeMageRichEd: It's going to be tight on content and proofing... having another person would help.08:29
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HedgeMageRichEd: We've just had too much turnover this release.08:29
nixternalthere has been a lot of turnover all over as well08:30
RichEdWell maybe of we made a call at the meeting next week and on the mail lists, asking for volunteers for specific sections, it may be easier to recruit ?08:30
RichEd*if08:30
nixternalthe only place i haven't seen the turnover, and another plus (and im not their paid pimp), the doc team. they have been the same people for over a year now08:30
RichEdubuntu doc or edubuntu doc team ?08:31
nixternalubuntu doc08:31
HedgeMageRichEd: Sounds good.  I'll come up with a list of things we need to get done still.08:31
nixternalbut remember, ubuntu doc == Ubuntu Documentation Project, which is the main documentation team for all the ubuntu projects08:31
willvdlI can certainly at this stage help with proofing certain sections08:31
HedgeMagewillvdl: that would be awesome.08:31
nixternaldefinitely08:32
willvdlbut need to ramp up on processes, and am a bit technically out of practice08:32
RichEdlooking at the structure, are the <NOT COMPLETE> gaps all new sections that sid not exist in previous versions, or were they incomplete back then  as well ?08:32
nixternalwillvdl: are you comfortable with grabbing a section and writing from scratch?08:32
RichEd*did08:32
willvdlnixternal, depends on the section, not to be evasive08:33
nixternallike for instance, under Part I -- Choosing the Right Install Type <- grabbing something like that and taking off with it08:33
nixternalno i understand, any help is BIG help08:33
HedgeMageRichEd: A combination of both of those, and some that were in the last edition, but are grossly outdated now.08:33
willvdlyeah, higher level stuff, nop08:33
nixternalwillvdl: the higher level stuff will come with time08:33
nixternalthere are still some i don't even mess with, like ltsp ;)08:33
HedgeMagehehe08:33
nixternalthe stand alone i can rock that out with my eyes shut, since i have done the kubuntu desktop guide from scratch almost08:33
HedgeMageWe had great help with all the LTSP stuff... it should all be ready for proofing now08:34
RichEdltsp stadard docs are being done by sbanlneav ... we just need to integerate them.08:34
willvdlwhat about pulling in artwork team for pics, graphics, etc?08:34
nixternalsblanev or however he goes by has rocked big time on that08:34
RichEdIt may be a help to him and us to give him some sample sections to compare against so that he gets the style and level right fore asy fit08:34
nixternalwillvdl: also, https://help.ubuntu.com and http://doc.ubuntu.com are some good places to pick up the style as well, and don't be affraid to grab a line or 2 from one of the existing ubuntu docs either..that only makes your life easier when creating the substance08:35
HedgeMagewillvdl: Lisa already has our covers done... the only other graphics we'll need are the occassional screenshot, those we can do.08:35
nixternalwe can always go back later and edit it08:35
HedgeMageRichEd: I think sbanlneav is the person who just redid all handbook's ltsp stuff :)08:35
nixternalstartx --dpi 7208:35
nixternalfor screenshots08:35
willvdlHedgeMage, thinking along the lines of supporting graphics like "this is what a thin-client network looks like"08:36
RichEdHedgeMage: is <NOT COMPLETE> not started or started but not complete ?08:36
HedgeMageRichEd: if you're talking about the list on the wiki, I'm apparently the only person who's seen fit to update it at all, so consider it unreliable08:37
nixternalstartx -- -dpi 7208:37
nixternalsorry ;)08:37
HedgeMageRichEd: I've kind of given up on it08:37
HedgeMageRichEd: or were you talking about something else?08:37
nixternalthen i use imagemagick to take my snapshots using the import utility08:37
nixternalRichEd: that is not started08:37
RichEdI mean in the build page HedgeMage NIX08:37
RichEdis is possible to build a table:08:37
RichEd[ section | owner |  status ] 08:37
nixternalRichEd: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuHandbook/EdgyTasks08:38
nixternali believe that is what you are referring to08:38
RichEdthen it is easy to see the gaps, and othwer potential volunteers can see what people are curretnly involved and what degree of commitment08:38
HedgeMagenixternal: that's the one I just said is horribly out of date.08:38
HedgeMageRichEd: cool08:38
nixternalheh08:38
willvdlRichEd, what about doing that through launchpad?08:38
nixternalmaybe work on creating a new one then08:38
RichEdI mean one that fits and matches the http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/handbook/C/ page ?08:39
RichEdso a potential helper can browse the handbook build, and see the gap status in the same visit /08:40
HedgeMageahh I hadn't seen that yet :)08:40
nixternali think the wiki would be good for managing it... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects is something we try to use with the doc team....just for an idea08:40
nixternalRichEd: also, the doc team svn repo has the status feature as well, where you can track page status via the server08:40
RichEdokay ... we must just make sure that we can call for people to look at the latest build and easily get an idea of where they could help08:41
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RichEdso the two links must be in the same "teaser" whatever08:41
RichEdI have also just had an idea for a section in the handbook:08:41
RichEd  26. Contribute to Ubuntu08:41
RichEd    Contributing to Edubuntu08:41
nixternalRichEd & HedgeMage -> example of status reporting -> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/status/dg-report.html08:42
RichEd+ Conrtibuting to the handbook <- new section08:42
RichEdso that all the handbook readers get an idea that they can help with the next one !08:42
nixternalthat is computated via the tags used in <chapter id="name" status="finished"> under the status08:42
nixternalcontributing to ubuntu has a new doc being created by the Andreas Lloyd and LaserJock08:43
willvdlnixternal, presumably that status report could be even more detailed with a few extra arguments?08:43
nixternalwe can use that, as it covers everything you could ever imagine08:43
HedgeMageRichEd: cool :D08:43
willvdlI'm only used to cvs, not svn08:43
nixternalwillvdl: we script a wiki page to make it more informative yes08:43
RichEdadding the author would be nice so that people can see who is doing waht ...08:44
nixternalsvn co, svn up, svn diff, and svn stat is all you need to know, until you get blessed with svn status, then you can learn commit08:44
nixternaland patch -p0 <blah08:44
HedgeMagenixternal: What are you doing tomorrow afternoon?08:44
RichEd= an idea of workload and also skill level ... as in if XCFg can do a section then so can I ?08:44
nixternalhelping you HedgeMage ;)08:44
HedgeMagehehe08:44
nixternali figured you were going somewhere with that08:44
HedgeMagenixternal: If we can plug away hard-core when TT naps for a couple of hours, we should be able to get a lot done.08:45
nixternallol08:45
RichEdI'll try to be around as well ...08:45
HedgeMageHey, I'm a mom, that's how I schedule my day :P08:45
nixternalmaybe tomorrow lets get a wiki page going where eveyrthing can be documented and followed08:45
nixternali will continue working ont he structure as well on the svn08:46
willvdlnixternal, your repo on ubuntu-rocks, how does that map to doc.ubuntu?08:46
HedgeMagenixternal: that's what I was thinking exactly08:46
nixternalit doesn't...i copied and pasted ;)08:46
RichEdIf you guys can continue with the current version, Will and I can join in tangentially to add resources08:46
willvdlah :)08:46
nixternalwillvdl: i have svn access, so i can build on the server or locally which is nice..as it allows me to use some custom scripts08:46
RichEdTime marches on ... let's chat quickly about:08:47
RichEd* Edubuntu Handbook Future08:47
willvdlah, just your snapshot then08:47
RichEd  = suggestion being made about printing / lulu.com08:47
RichEd  = http://www.lulu.com/08:47
nixternalRichEd: definitely LuLu08:47
RichEdwhat do we do if the handbook is not complete ?08:47
willvdllulu is just one option though08:47
nixternali have purchased everyone of our docs from lulu08:47
nixternaland so has a lot of other people08:48
HedgeMageRichEd: Even if it comes out a couple of weeks late, getting it out in print is important IMHO... I've had LOTS of requests for print handbooks08:48
willvdllulu being not that big in Africa or the east08:48
RichEdpre lulu question: Has it been released in an incompelte form before, or have we always managed to get it done.08:48
RichEdwillvdl: let's stick to getting it a process working for one outlet, and then we can expand :)08:48
HedgeMageRichEd: Last release was the first one it was actually completed.08:48
HedgeMageRichEd: We didn't release any kind of print because pygi and I felt it wasn't mature enough.08:49
RichEdokay ... 'cos we can't lulu an incomplete book :)08:49
HedgeMageRichEd: I know :)08:49
RichEdAnd do you think this version will be mature enough ?08:49
nixternali sure hope so08:49
nixternalwhat is our timeline btw?08:50
RichEdyou tell me ? nixternal & madge ?08:50
nixternaledgy release or edgy+1 release?08:50
HedgeMageRichEd: I'm a perfectionist, I'll never think it's good enough ;)  That said, I think it will.  It'll look like a young project, but it will be printable or I'll fall asleep at the keyboard trying.08:50
nixternallol08:50
nixternalor somewhere in between08:50
willvdlwhat about updates post release? do we sub-version and release for printing?08:51
RichEdnixternal: Edgy release for electronic and maybe lulu after a bedding down period ?08:51
HedgeMageRichEd: When I suggested on the mailing list that we put off printing until edgy+1 there were several responses on list and I got about 15 or 20 privately begging me not to postpone.08:51
nixternaloh wow...we have 15 days to do 2 months worth of work08:51
nixternalthat was over exagerating08:51
nixternalsorry ;)08:51
RichEdWe *cannot* postpone until Edgy+1 ... and the goal posts will have moved by then as well.08:51
nixternalneedless to say, it will be tight08:51
HedgeMageRichEd: I agree.08:51
HedgeMageIt'll be tight, and all the help we can get will improve the quality, but I think we can still pull it off :)08:52
nixternalOK, so first thing tomorrow, when TT is sleeping :)  hammer out our 15 day or less goal list, and create status and POCs for each chapter, leave open if noone is working it and so on08:52
RichEdBy edgy+1 the education and ubuntu and edubuntu lines will be blurring: We will be talking to a lot of people using Ubuntu native with Education applications ... and we need to work out how to cope with them as well.08:52
RichEdBut that is over the horizon, so our focus is now on Edubuntu handbook.08:53
nixternalstructure, i will hammer out and i will grab a latest build, and work in screenshots for the stand-alone section08:53
willvdlespecially since LTSP now has a less integrated focus08:53
nixternalwow, i have 2 huge doc projects due in 2 weeks ;)08:53
nixternalEdubuntu and Ichthux...this will be fun, and I thought the Edgy cycle was tight for Kubuntu and Ubuntu docs08:53
HedgeMagehehe nixternal 08:54
RichEdichtux ... are you working with laserjock on that ?08:54
HedgeMageRichEd: just as I was about to say, we have a lot to do, I can't think much about edgy+1 now08:54
RichEdWe seem to have covered most of the stuff needed to get a POA in place ... can I sumarize now so that we finish under the hour ?08:55
willvdlgoforit08:55
=== HedgeMage nods
HedgeMagecool, then I can sleep ;)08:55
RichEd#1 HedgeMage and nixternal continue working as before for now ...08:55
RichEd#2 RichEd summarises this meeting08:55
nixternalyar RichEd, sorry for the delay, tech support people hounding me in every channel around08:56
RichEd#3 Will becomes Project Manager for the handover process08:56
RichEd#4 HedgeMage sends me a list for the outstanding work required now, current target08:56
RichEd#5 Richard does eom recruitment via the lists08:57
RichEd*some08:57
nixternalhehe08:57
willvdl*press-gang08:57
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RichEdexchange some email this weekend / monday & meet again next week, say tue to touch sides ?08:57
HedgeMagesounds good08:57
RichEdThen we have a structure to work against ?08:58
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HedgeMagehi pips108:58
RichEdpips1 :)08:58
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nixternalworks for me08:59
RichEdokay ... I'll get the minutes out by the end of my day today.08:59
RichEdThanks all.08:59
HedgeMageRichEd: Thanks a lot :)08:59
willvdlThanks.08:59
willvdlYou folks deserve medals and if the plans turn out right, they won't need to be posthumously awarded :)09:00
nixternalhehe09:00
HedgeMagelol willvdl 09:02
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pips1on a G5...09:10
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Burgundaviahttp://cultivation.sourceforge.net/09:32
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pygiBurgundavia: o joy, what a game :)09:33
BurgundaviaI know09:33
Burgundaviacare to package it?09:34
Burgundavialook at the notes09:34
Burgundaviait might be thin-client safe09:35
pygiBurgundavia: could I do it over the weekend pls? :)09:35
Burgundaviasure09:35
pygithanks :)09:36
pips1looks fun09:36
Burgundaviavery much a game for an Educational distro09:36
Burgundaviayou coudl probably do that same sort of thing with plain cairo and svg09:36
pygiquite busy now, extensive testing of libburn on FreeBSD + "preparing" for my "Windows exam" in uni next week :P09:36
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pygithat is very fun :)09:40
kihaiHi there. Does anyone know if WSMON is running with the ltsp version edubuntu has implemented?09:41
pips1kihai: ogra will know09:42
pips1I don't think he is up yet09:42
pygikihai: can't you use SCP to monitor who is logined to server?09:44
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kihaipygi: what is scp?09:54
pygikihai: Student Control Panel --> System --> Administration --> Student Control Panel09:55
kihaipygi: You're sure that's implemented in Edubuntu 6.06?09:58
pygikihai: oh, Edu 6.06 :) There it has a lot less features, tho do this: sudo apt-get install student-control-panel09:59
kihaipygi: Yeah I know! :) I'm waiting eagerly for 6.10 because of the implemented local device access. But I'm running Edubuntu on a productive system with around 500 users, so can't afford experimenting... :)10:00
pygikihai: :)10:01
kihaipygi: I'm still hesitating installing student-control-panel as it says in the description it's for ubuntu ltsp. You're sure it runs under edubuntu without ruining some configs?10:02
pygikihai: ergh, Edubuntu is running muecow implementaion of LTSP10:03
pygikihai: ofcourse it works :)10:03
kihaipygi: ...because for example you can't install ltsp-manager on Eduntu, although it's in the repos. It'll ruin your edubuntu ltsp config10:04
pygiand there is no such thing as "ubuntu ltsp"10:04
kihaipygi: I thought ubuntu ltsp refers to ltsp 4.1/4.210:04
pygikihai: just "muecow"...just install it, it'll work :P10:05
kihaipygi: OK, I'll give it a try...10:05
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kihaipygi: Man, you saved my day!!! No, let's say you saved my month!!! I've been looking for this soooo long to no avail.... You're my hero!!! :) :) :)10:06
pygikihai: :P10:07
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pygikihai: glad it works for you :)10:12
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kihaipygi: Have you already tested Edubuntu 6.10's ltsp implementation and especially the local device access?10:15
pygikihai: ofcourse :)10:16
pygikihai: works very nice10:18
adrian__pygi: I looked in yesterday and I would like to help if I can with the documentation. I have very little linux experience and am not a coder so I would be happy to read from a noob perspective. I did chat briefly to nixternal and hedgemage is the person I need to get in touch with for indepth issues. I wonder which svn client do you recommend installin (I am used to tortoise svn on windows)10:22
pygiadrian__: you can poke both me & hedgemage if you are interested | talking about Edubuntu Handbook10:23
adrian__Kewl :)10:23
adrian__Apologies for demoting you :oops:10:23
pygilol, don't worry :)10:24
pygiadrian__: try installing RapidSVN10:24
pygishould be fine :)10:24
adrian__Kewl, thanks10:24
adrian__I'll get up to speed soon I hope :)10:24
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=== pygi likes how things evolved since he first started working on this book, but it's still very very very far from optimal :(
pygiBurgundavia: how do I put mouse in dependencies, hehe :)10:26
adrian__I can see why, having worked on an opensource portal system, by the time you finish a chapter, a new version is out! hehe10:26
pygiadrian__: not that, but the involvment of people is not really well...10:27
pygiThe Dapper Handbook (Edubuntu Cookbook) was out the same day as Dapper10:27
pygiadrian__: will brb, shower10:29
pygiyou ping if you want me to answer anything or you wanna know something10:29
pygisame to kihai if you'r still alive :P10:30
adrian__Kewl, I will try to do my noobish best. I have a couple of pc's that I hope to use the book to install the variants and follow the book as verbatim. That will sort out the issues I hope :)10:30
kihaipygi: Thanks! I'm just writing down my list of packages I'll need reinstalled in 6.10. Can't wait till it's out. Although I'll then have to migrate some 450 user accounts. *praying that it'll work*10:35
pygikihai: what about "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" :P10:44
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keltorsorianyone here had "menu item 'ltsp-client-builder' failed when installing before?11:06
pips1pygi: I tried a dist-upgrade from dapper to edgy with beta and ran into trouble. But it might be fixed by now...11:10
pips1keltorsori: I haven't11:11
keltorsoriI was having it with the most recent edubuntu dailies (and beta for that matter), but last week it fixed. Basically the installer would get to the build chroot bit and choke at the above mentioned point. Anyway my point is, whatever the issue is/was, it is still affecting the LTSP install on xubuntu11:12
pips1keltorsori: tell ogra (once he is here)11:13
keltorsoridid, even filed the bug. just being a pest :)11:13
pips1hehe11:13
keltorsoriwell, and hoping my three machines aren't the only ones on the planet with this problem11:14
pips1right :)11:14
kihaiI'm don't feel to try to dist-upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10. The system here has to be running from Mo-Fr 8am-5pm daily, so can't afford it crashing during upgrade. Will install 6.10 separately on a second hardrive and if it runs w/o probs, migrate the data from the other disk. Seems safer to me, cause if anything goes wrong, I can just plug in the first disk, reboot, and nothing has changed...11:27
kihaiBtw: I tried to install the current Beta Install CD, but the cd has defects. Anyone experienced that, too? The live-cd works OK, though.11:28
pips1what architecture? amd64? i386? ..?11:32
pips1kihai: and at what speed did you burn the cd? I always use 8x and sometimes even as low as 4x, that helps preventing bad cds11:33
pips1kihai: you can test the most recent Daily build (13-Oct). This worked for me (amd64 server with i886 clients). http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily/current/11:34
kihaipips1: I burned with max speed. But the live cd already got installed, so no probs...11:35
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ograkeltorsori, which bug number is that ?12:13
keltorsori6523412:14
ograoh, xubuntu is missing a package apparently12:15
keltorsoriahh12:18
keltorsorithat's useful to know :)12:18
ograi commented on the bug and assigned it to the right people 12:18
ograso it should be solved soon12:18
keltorsoriawesome, thanks12:19
keltorsorifunny thing is, up until very recently I was having the same issue with edgy edubuntu as well12:19
ograin edubuntu that was fixed long ago though12:19
keltorsorii'm doing an ed install right not, just finishing the clean up12:20
keltorsorigotta say i love the work you guys have done on LTSP12:20
ogracommitter: Oliver Grawert <ogra@ubuntu.com>12:20
ograbranch nick: edubuntu.edgy12:20
ogratimestamp: Sat 2006-08-19 10:55:54 +020012:20
ogramessage:12:20
ogra  seeded ltspfs and ltspfsd for ltsp local device support12:20
ogra------------------------------------------------------------12:20
ograthere it is :)12:20
ograsorry, not so long ago ...12:20
ogragreat that you like it :) there is more to come12:21
keltorsorii was a committed k12ltsp user (have been for a long time), but with local device support in edgy i'm moving12:22
ograyay12:22
keltorsorianyway, thanks12:22
ograwe'll have a lot of k12 developers at the mountainview summit next month12:23
ograi hope we can do more together ...12:23
cbx33hey ogra 12:25
ograhey12:26
cbx33did we find that problem12:26
ograpitti is on it12:26
cbx33excellent12:26
ograafter that we'll cdheck again12:26
cbx33sorry about yesterday12:26
ograi'm pretty sure there are two probs12:26
cbx33oh?12:26
ograbut i need one solved to check the second one12:26
cbx33ahhh i see12:27
cbx33well I can check on monday for you12:27
ograoki12:27
ograbut install tests are more important ... 12:27
cbx33ok12:28
ograi will try to reproduce it here over the weekend12:28
cbx33I'll try and get a 386 resize install done today12:28
cbx33I have done a clear12:28
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cbx33hey willvdl 12:31
willvdlhey. get that mail?12:31
cbx33um...just checking12:33
willvdlsorry, sent a 1MB pdf12:34
cbx33it's ok12:34
willvdlwas too lazy to link it somewhere :)12:34
cbx33right....I'll take a closer look when I get back from having my blood test12:35
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lucasvowtf?01:45
lucasvolucasvo@hera:~/Desktop$ mv trunk/ /home/lucasvo/Desktop/harmony/01:45
lucasvomv: cannot move `trunk/' to a subdirectory of itself, `/home/lucasvo/Desktop/harmony/trunk'01:45
lucasvolucasvo@hera:~/Desktop$ 01:45
pips1bizarre01:46
lucasvoindeed01:47
lucasvocrappy fs01:47
pips1lucasvo: you like swearing ey?01:48
pips1:-P01:48
lucasvopips1: well, depends. normally I don't swear but if my rcs manages to mesh up my filesystem and I am unter time-pressure...01:48
pips1rcs?01:49
pips1ah01:50
pips1google define:rcs is your friend :-)01:50
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ograhttps://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowtoWriteLTSP5Plugins is that written in an understandable way ?02:46
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jsgotangcohi!03:35
bddebianHeya03:36
bddebianHi jsgotangco03:36
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jsgotangcogoodnight!04:26
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sbalneavMorning all!04:44
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pips1hi sbalneav04:55
sbalneavHello pips104:57
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cbx33Hi RichEd 05:40
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lguerrapips1, highvoltage, ubuntu-cl please05:53
pips1ah!05:53
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lucasvowhich package do I need if I have signal.h, string.h, stidio.h missing?06:20
juliuxlucasvo, apt-file is your friend;)06:22
lucasvojuliux: I don't even know the command :)06:23
juliuxlucasvo, sudo aptitude install apt-file06:23
gnomefreakthan you have to update the data base of apt-file06:36
juliuxapt-file update ;)07:02
pips1do we have any spanish speakers in the house that could help us with a little real-time translation in #ubuntu-education? 07:15
lucasvopips1: #edubuntu-ed07:20
lucasvopips1: #edubuntu-es07:20
pips1lucasvo: thanks, we just got a translator :)07:20
lucasvopips1: do you happen to have an usb 56k modem supported by linux?07:21
pips1lucasvo: no07:29
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intelikeywith what gui apps does edubuntu come ?08:31
highvoltagegnome08:36
highvoltagein the future there might be an xfce option too08:36
intelikeyok.08:37
intelikeytanks08:37
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highvoltagedbdbdbbbdddbdebian08:56
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highvoltagehey bddebian 08:56
bddebianHeya highvoltage08:56
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HedgeMagehey, nixternal, you awake?09:26
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nixternalya...working on some translation scripts here...i will be free in a few ;)09:39
HedgeMagecool :)09:41
nixternaltranslations go so slooooooooooooooooow09:47
nixternalis there a current "Chapter" list that you want to go by?  i take it maybe the one you listed in the svn?09:49
HedgeMagehehe09:49
nixternali want to start working on a task list / status page09:50
HedgeMageThe onle in SVN is good except we need to find a place to fit in the Student Control Panel material09:50
nixternalis there any current documentation on the "SCP" that i can look at? I am not familiar with it currently09:50
nixternalheh...maybe if i look at it on the puter i might understand it09:51
nixternalsystem > admin there it is 09:51
HedgeMagehehe09:51
nixternalis this a LTSP thing?09:52
nixternalthere is no help associated with it that i can see from the application09:52
HedgeMagenixternal: someone committed a section on it to the handbook stuff for us09:52
HedgeMageI know squat about it09:52
HedgeMageIt came out while I was dealing with the chaos over here09:53
nixternalwell, looking at it, i would have no idea what it is...to me it looks broke09:53
sbalneavHey HedgeMage09:53
HedgeMagenixternal: oh, fun09:53
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nixternalhehe09:53
nixternal...09:53
nixternalSystem: ...09:53
HedgeMagenixternal: for now let's figure out where we'll stick it, then I'll attack it after I've had time to read through it and hopefully play with it09:53
HedgeMagehi sbalneav :)09:53
nixternalwe can do that HedgeMage09:54
sbalneavSCP's the Student Control Panel, cbx33 wrote that bit, I beleive.09:54
sbalneavYes, it's primary use is in thin client environments.09:54
HedgeMagesbalneav: I think so... my memory fails... those few weeks were a blur.09:54
sbalneavI'm still working on the ltsp bits of the doco, although I noticed some blogging about it.  Is the repo changing that I should be svn'ing to ?09:55
nixternalsbalneav: the plan is to utilize the already proven infrastructure with the ubuntu documentation project09:56
nixternali uploaded everything to that server and everyting validates and builds even in its current state09:56
nixternalhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository for more information09:56
sbalneavok09:56
nixternalright now, you will need to create patches and send them to me, until they can get svn access setup for you guys09:57
sbalneavHm, that's a PITA09:57
nixternalya, but by switching we saved big time future headaches09:58
HedgeMagesbalneav: Yeah, I know it's a pain, but we have needed to get into the main doc repo so we can get translation moving, etc., and they want a history of commits before we can have access... it's rather a nightmare.09:59
nixternalim around all of the time anyways ;)10:00
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HedgeMageYeah, but if you had a life, handbook would be screwed :P10:00
sbalneavok, I'll try to finish up my LTSP stuff this weekend.10:00
HedgeMagethanks, sbalneav 10:01
nixternalgood deal sbalneav...im going to restructure thats it...im not messing with any of thte content ;)10:01
nixternalespecially with ltsp..i would only mess it up ;010:01
nixternalway to go shift button10:01
nixternaloh, i just caught the "if you had a life" joke ;)10:02
nixternalwell, now i could get a life, as the doc svn repo for the handbook is ready to rock and roll10:02
HedgeMagenixternal: Except no one from handbook can commit to it :P10:03
nixternalsoon young grasshoppa10:03
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nixternalwell, the nice thing about submitting patches..is if they aren't perfect..the person who does submit for you, makes sure they get fixed so they do work ;)10:04
HedgeMage:)10:04
HedgeMageYeah, but it kind of defeats the purpose of having SVN if you have to wait for others to commit for you all the time.  It's awfully hard to collaborate that way10:04
nixternalEdubuntuHandbook/TaskAndStatus  <-- how is that for a master page to follow with open tasks, tasks in progress, tasks ready for review, and completed tasks?10:05
nixternallink wise10:05
HedgeMagebrb10:05
nixternalHedgeMage: poke mdke silly, you shoul dhave no problem getting access ;)10:05
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nixternaltruthfully, i don't think anyone who has committed in the past should10:05
nixternalsvn is revision control...easy to always turn back (even for my screwups ;)10:06
HedgeMagenixternal: I think it's likely to make things worse if I do... every time SVN access for handbook people has come up, we've had at least 3 docteam reps give us different info on what they want us to do... the only consensus was "we don't think you're worthy of SVN access until you've been having patches committed for ages"  That's why the temp repo got set up.10:12
nixternalHedgeMage: i know what you mean..i did it for 6 months...maybe laserjock and myself can do some persuasion10:13
nixternalwho needs or has to have svn commit access?10:13
HedgeMagenixternal: Good luck, we've been trying since three months before dapper release.10:13
HedgeMagenixternal: At least me and one other person (preferably sbalneav or pygi)10:14
nixternalwell, i will tell them i won't do translations until they add you..then they are screwed...mdke doesn't want to do the python stuff alone ;)10:14
HedgeMageLOL :)10:14
nixternalthe kubuntu desktop guide has been rolling now for over an hour..and i still have to go through and fix all of the validation errors10:14
nixternalit is a good 4 to 6 hour task for each translated document10:15
HedgeMageouch.10:15
nixternal2 to 4 for the abouts and release notes10:15
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nixternalis everyone ubuntu/kubuntu/edubuntu/xubuntu members?10:15
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HedgeMagenixternal: I know pygi and I are, sbalneav what about you?10:16
pygiHedgeMage: what I did wrong this time? :)10:16
nixternaleverything ;)10:16
sbalneavHedgeMage: I'm not, as yet, an Ubuntu or Edubuntu member.10:16
nixternalpygi: getting you guys svn access10:16
HedgeMagepygi: associating with suspicious crowds...  nixternal asked if you're an edubuntu member :P10:17
sbalneavEven though I've got software that I've written in main :)10:17
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HedgeMagesbalneav: so apply silly 10:17
nixternalwell, i kind of knew pygi was hooked up, as i always see him in the tb meetings10:17
pygiHedgeMage: oh, that :) I refuse to confess I'm part of suspicious crowds10:17
sbalneavI've got my edubuntu membership being discussed this coming wednesday :)10:17
nixternalawesome sbalneav!10:17
HedgeMageyay sbalneav :)10:17
HedgeMagesbalneav: If I can stay up for the odd timing, I'll come cheer you on :D10:17
pyginixternal: where was I hooked up?10:18
nixternali doubt you will have a problem, unless of course they are tougher than the CC10:18
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sbalneavI'm expecting to be turned down for "political unreliability". :)10:18
HedgeMagerofl sbalneav 10:18
pygisbalneav: lol 10:18
nixternalas a dev and what pygi10:18
nixternalwhat not rather ;)10:18
pyginixternal: I'm not part of MOTU team10:18
nixternalme either..i think that means "MORE" work ;)10:19
pygiif that's what you mean10:19
nixternali package and hand them off10:19
pyginah, I doubt I can work more then I currently do10:19
HedgeMagelol10:19
nixternalhehe10:19
nixternali hear you there10:19
pygiI'm already working beyond my limits, so ...10:19
pygiit's other thing that I don't do nothing useful :)10:20
nixternalso HedgeMage, how does TaskAndStatus work...the page will display the tasks as well as the current status of it10:21
nixternalsimilar to the edgy tasks page10:21
nixternalor we can just continue using that and clean it up10:22
HedgeMagenixternal: I'll take a look in one sec, tt needs me10:22
nixternalhehe k10:23
nixternalim going to create a new page, if we choose it we can use it, or we can c&p over to the existing10:24
nixternalthat way im productive right now10:24
nixternalactually..translations need my assistance..brb10:24
HedgeMagenixternal: ummm... wheres TaskAndStatus?10:28
nixternalhaven't created it yet ;)10:29
HedgeMageahh okay that's why I was totally confused :)10:29
HedgeMageAs long as it's readable and obvious I'm cool with whichever way we do it :)10:29
nixternalhehe...i will hack up a cool page that will be easy to follow, and will even have special color codes and task statuses, plus maybe even a spot where people can "sign-off" that they have reviewed the doc10:29
nixternalarlighty...gotta finish up these translations kind of quickly, then i will get something out to start and work with10:30
HedgeMage:) cool10:34
HedgeMageI'll be more active once TT naps... for now I'm still doing the parenting thing :)10:34
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cbx33hey HedgeMage 10:55
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HedgeMagehi cbx33 11:04
cbx33howz it going11:04
HedgeMagecbx33: Okay, wishing TT would nap so I could get work done :)11:04
cbx33heheh11:04
cbx33argh gotta dash11:04
cbx33sorry 11:04
cbx33bbl11:04
cbx33lisa got the blurb11:05
HedgeMagecool :)11:05
cbx33in fact i think she sent you a mockup11:05
HedgeMageI think she emailed me back already... I planned to catch up on email when TT naps11:05
HedgeMageheh, yep11:05
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nixternalHedgeMage: i believe mdke has opened up rt tickets for you and pygi for svn access...if not, it will get done, he was positive on you two (scared of the previous structure, but I talked him away from that due to your made svn skills and you are needed for edubuntu documentation on that box anyways)11:26
HedgeMagenixternal: Thanks, very cool11:27
HedgeMageAnd yeah, i know the previous structure was a mess... having like 4 project leads in 2.5 release cycles will do that!  That's why I'm sticking around until a new editor is on board and up to speed :)11:28
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nixternalhehe11:32
nixternalmy dog was just crying like she had to go out11:32
nixternalso i go and see what the issue is...well i have hardwood floors, and it seems the cleaning lady forgot to put the rug back in front of the dogs lazy boy chair..so she couldn't jump up into her chair...my dog cannot walk, and refuses to walk on the floors ever since i had the carpet removed11:33
HedgeMagelol11:37
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cbx33hey pygi 11:46
pygihey ho cbx33 :)11:48
cbx33howz ity going11:55
adrian__Aha! I see all the cookbok team are in, :) Hedge I have offered to help with the cookbook if I can, though it comes from a total noob perspective. pygi, I thought I installed rapidsvn through synaptic, but I cannot seem to find it in a list or a file manager right click. Any suggestions?11:55
pygicbx33: good, what about you?11:56
cbx33yeh good11:56
cbx33got CS:Source working in my good kernel11:56
cbx33and beryl is working too11:56
cbx33:D11:56
pygiadrian__: run "rapidsvn" in terminal11:56
cbx33so I'm really pleased11:56
adrian__thnx will try11:56
HedgeMageadrian__: that's great to hear :)11:57
HedgeMageadrian__: We really can use all the help we can get right now.11:57
pygio joy, this cultivation game build system sucks very much11:59
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HedgeMageBBIAB, I think TT is finally ready for that nap :)12:00
adrian__Kewl, yes the terminal seems to wrk it :) Thx Hedge, I will try my best, as you can tel, the book may need a level of basic info on how to do thing :D12:00
cbx33pygi, ???12:00
pygicbx33: Burgundavia asked me to package something, and the build system is the unusable12:01
cbx33oh12:01
cbx33:(12:01
cbx33i can't belive how cool beryl is now12:01
cbx33I shall be blogging later ;)12:01
pygilol12:01
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cbx33*gah*12:05
pygiwhat?! :)12:06
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EmxBAhi12:08
EmxBApygi: would ubuntu-hr team be able to send some ubuntu 6.10 cds to bosnia when they get released?12:08
pygiEmxBA: bleh, I don't think there will be shipit for Edgy12:09
EmxBAi know there won't be12:10
EmxBAbut ubuntu-hr as a loco team automatically gets cds12:10
pygino it doesn't :)12:10
EmxBAand there is no ubuntu-bs loco team12:10
EmxBAaccording to some sites, it does ;)12:10
pygilol, some!12:11
HedgeMageYay! He's napping... finally!12:11
EmxBAi should laught at you. see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue14#head-1e3555bea7bd06018bbadcf89ed23281e09d78f1 12:12
EmxBAciting: "Approved LoCo teams can request 6.10, however, and will be sent out a large bundle of CDs to distribute, as well as distributors that can further spread the Ubuntu message."12:12
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pygiEmxBA: lol, dude, just you laugh, I don't care at all12:14
EmxBAyou'll get 6.10 anyway 12:15
HedgeMagenixternal: still about?12:15
Burgworkpygi: no, there will be shipit for edgy12:15
Burgworkit explicitly says that they will continue shipping dapper12:15
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pygiyes, I know that :)12:16
=== pygi knew dapper will still be shipped, but not edgy :P

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