[12:25] <pygi> nixternal: :P
[12:26] <nixternal> finally
[12:26] <nixternal> it loads, and my page trail isn't even mine
[12:26] <nixternal> thanks for listening
[12:26] <nixternal> ;(
[12:26] <nixternal> ;) rather
[12:36] <Javier_Electrico> hello
[03:41] <bddebian> Howdy
[06:01] <keltorsori> anyone know anything about running LTSP with only one NIC and a separate DHCP server? went through the wiki on it, but whoever wrote it missed something i'm guessing
[06:03] <thompa> cool if it works , i need to do same maybe
[06:04] <thompa> im having big problems with sata drive on everything
[07:24] <nixternal> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/handbook/C/
[08:00] <nixternal> isn't it about meeting time?
[08:00] <stgraber> yes, it's :)
[08:00] <RichEd> indeed it is nixternal : just dropped the snotgobblers at school :)
[08:00] <nixternal> my eyes are half crossed
[08:00] <nixternal> hahaha
[08:01] <nixternal> snotgobblers
[08:01] <RichEd> we'll keep it brief then :)
[08:01] <nixternal> yesterday was my snotgobblers 10th bday ;)
[08:01] <nixternal> well, it ended an hour ago ;)
[08:01] <RichEd> HedgeMage: you awake stil ?
[08:01] <RichEd> *still
[08:01] <HedgeMage> RichEd: Yep, I'm here :)
[08:01] <nixternal> no RichEd, my eyes are half crossed from docbook hax0ring ;)
[08:02] <RichEd> willvdl is supposed to be joining us ...
[08:02] <HedgeMage> Where are we meeting?  Here or #ubuntu-education?
[08:02] <RichEd> is quiet here so should we just get going here ?
[08:02] <RichEd> we can then see if will arrives ...
[08:02] <nixternal> here is fine to me
[08:02] <RichEd> did you get the agenda email ? I'm just getting my copy
[08:03] <nixternal> someone just posted recently as well tot he edubuntu-devel list wanting to help out with documentation as well..seems he has experience to boot
[08:03] <nixternal> i got the email
[08:03] <RichEd> great :)
[08:04] <nixternal> well, hacking around tonight in the ubuntu doc repo, i got a very young version to build -> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/handbook/C/
[08:04] <nixternal> the NOT COMPLETEs are .xml files that are empty
[08:04] <willvdl> Hi RichEd
[08:04] <RichEd> strange ... I can't find my copy of the mail ... give me a sec
[08:04] <nixternal> there is willvdl!
[08:04] <nixternal> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/docbook_structure.txt
[08:04] <RichEd> willvdl: :)
[08:04] <HedgeMage> hi willvdl 
[08:05] <nixternal> that is the recommended structure, and about how it should look in docbook as well...just stuff for us to go by
[08:05] <RichEd> ah got the mail ...
[08:05] <RichEd> Can we work trhough the points quickly, and then add any others at the end ?
[08:05] <nixternal> sure
[08:05] <HedgeMage> cool
[08:05] <willvdl> Hi Hedgemage, nixternal
[08:05] <RichEd> * Edubuntu Handbook General
[08:05] <RichEd>   = currently being looked after by Susan
[08:05] <RichEd>   => but she would like to hand over and move to dev work
[08:05] <RichEd>   => we would like to find a replacement and get them up to speed
[08:05] <nixternal> hiya willvdl
[08:06] <RichEd> I see from your blog page that you are also calling for volunteer help nixternal ...
[08:06] <nixternal>  => but she would like to hand over and move to dev work
[08:06] <nixternal> hacker at heart i see ;)
[08:06] <RichEd> and HedgeMage you said you may have a possibility
[08:06] <nixternal> always calling for volunteers RichEd
[08:06] <RichEd> and nixternal you said there was someone who made an offer
[08:06] <RichEd> So: 1. what is needed from a resource point of view
[08:07] <nixternal> actually a couple that want to "help", don't know about "lead"
[08:07] <RichEd> what sort of time commitment is needed hege?
[08:07] <HedgeMage> RichEd: Possibility seems to have flaked out on us... I haven't been able to get ahold of him since I talked to you :(
[08:07] <RichEd> okay ... let's define the job spec and then we have something to send out to ask people about ... we can use the lists as well
[08:07] <HedgeMage> RichEd: It's pretty high right now (about 15 hours a week, not that I've been able to put in quite that much) but would go down to about 4 hours/week if we had more contributors.
[08:08] <nixternal> HedgeMage: im trying to lure them in ;)
[08:08] <HedgeMage> RichEd: this edition we got some contributions from RobinShepard, much from nixternal, and some from one other person... but other than that I've been trying to update everything myself.
[08:08] <nixternal> i think the next couple of weeks will be hectic...i want to get the structure in place, and merge in the content as we go along
[08:09] <RichEd> Okay ... we should try to spread the load and recruit a few people rather than 1.
[08:09] <RichEd> And skill set ? does the person need to understand it all technically, or will:
[08:09] <nixternal> i think once we have a solid foundation, it will roll on all four wheels
[08:09] <RichEd> #1 working on the book make it clear
[08:09] <RichEd> #2 are there tech people who advise enough to assist ?
[08:09] <nixternal> technically would rock, but right now, if they know they can provide a paragraph, then bless their hearts, because we can use it
[08:10] <HedgeMage> RichEd: 90% of handbook can be handled by a moderately experienced user.
[08:10] <nixternal> #2 i would think so
[08:10] <willvdl> well, there would be contributers and an editor
[08:10] <HedgeMage> RichEd: most of it is just sitting down, doing a common task, and taking step-by-step notes.
[08:10] <nixternal> actually, there will be a couple of editors...and i would say they would have the svn commit access as well
[08:10] <RichEd> good willvdl structure is nice, and the title of editor may lure some sucker into committing :)
[08:10] <nixternal> which mdke needs to setup with rt
[08:11] <HedgeMage> lol RichEd 
[08:11] <willvdl> We seem to referring specifically to the HAndbook right?
[08:11] <nixternal> right now willvdl, yes
[08:11] <HedgeMage> willvdl: yes
[08:11] <HedgeMage> cool thanks RichEd 
[08:11] <RichEd> willvdl: yes, and more or less as it stands ... no major shakeups in the discussion ... a revised view between MV and Edgy+1 but under the new guidance
[08:12] <willvdl> okie. I'm thinking of documentation as a whole: ESA, handbook, technical snippits, wiki
[08:12] <HedgeMage> willvdl: I'll stay on as Editor until someone new is found and brought up to speed, hopefully that will help things go smoothly.
[08:12] <nixternal> im going to start hammering out the stand-alone section as well, as soon as RC is released...i think we will be fine to start the section with RC, and then edit once final is released as well
[08:12] <RichEd> willvdl: this is a subset discussion, but your cross cohesion will be important to you
[08:12] <HedgeMage> nixternal: Yes, that's exactly what we did last time around, and it worked well.
[08:13] <RichEd> HedgeMage: what about making you sort of executive editor for now, and dropping your responsibilities to an advisory level as we get new blood ?
[08:13] <nixternal> good...i should have most of that done rather quick then, if Robin doesn't have an issue (sorry, dunno the online nick there)
[08:13] <HedgeMage> RichEd: That would be great.
[08:13] <RichEd> then the new person at least knows they have yuo available for advise (but in a 2nd line capacity) ?
[08:14] <nixternal> and of course HedgeMage, i can help out where i can around here as well...i have a good amount of hourse available since im doing the student thing again at 32 ;)
[08:14] <HedgeMage> RichEd: that works... and I think it will help with continuity, which is something Handbook has desperately lacked thus far.
[08:14] <HedgeMage> nixternal: you rock :D
[08:14] <RichEd> Okay, we've got an idea of time & roles & structure then ... moving on:
[08:14] <RichEd> 2. what is needed from a process point of view
[08:14] <nixternal> yes, i know im a rock ;)
[08:15] <RichEd> is there a process laid out anywhere ?
[08:15] <nixternal> ubuntu doc svn accounts for hedgemage at least
[08:15] <willvdl> i.e. who commits, where, moderation etc?
[08:15] <RichEd> we've got the svn commit rights ... what else is needed / defined ?
[08:15] <nixternal> she knows what she is doing with that, so poking mdke to launch an rt request is all that needs to be done there
[08:15] <RichEd> deadlines per version ... when does the doc come out relative to the release ?
[08:16] <nixternal> RichEd: we are merging the docs over to ubuntu doc if i am not mistaken?
[08:16] <RichEd> not sure nixternal : expand on that ?
[08:16] <willvdl> nixternal, as in doc.ubuntu 
[08:16] <nixternal> well the ubuntu doc repo has the proven structure and all the necessary tie-ins for translation and rosetta
[08:16] <HedgeMage> RichEd: The original idea was to release handbook the day before ubuntu release (let everyone pounce on it while waiting) but that's not ever actually happened due to volunteer turnover, etc.  
[08:17] <nixternal> https://docteam.ubuntu.com i believe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository
[08:17] <willvdl> oooh, hadn't even thought of translation
[08:17] <RichEd> thanks nixternal & HedgeMage 
[08:18] <RichEd> now how do we work with new versions ... LTS vs Edgy ... does a new version come out for each release, and does the old version doc remain available ?
[08:18] <nixternal> plus all of the makefiles, and what not are readily available when it comes time for packaging, plus the lulu scripts, all of the preface files, and all licensing is on that server as well
[08:18] <nixternal> all we have to worry about with the handbook on the doc team server, is the handbook
[08:18] <nixternal> everything else is in place..that is how i got a test build done so quickly
[08:18] <willvdl> or indeed anything else we put in there
[08:19] <nixternal> RichEd: i would think so on the release versions...mostly just updates really
[08:19] <nixternal> like what we already do for the Desktop Guides, Server Guides, Packaging Guides, and what not
[08:19] <willvdl> well, docs should always reflect current snapshot
[08:20] <HedgeMage> RichEd: Yes we try to release a new version with each ubuntu release... most is just updates, though we are trying to slowly introduce some new material to spark some ideas of "oh, I could do this in my classroom" or "oh, I could do this with my kids" etc
[08:20] <nixternal> and thats the nice thing with the doc team repos as well, they get branched automagically every time...another thing we wouldn't have to worry about
[08:21] <willvdl> who merges the branches?
[08:21] <nixternal> mdke
[08:21] <nixternal> the documentation god
[08:22] <nixternal> whom i have been spending a lot of time with learning the ins and outs of the system as well
[08:22] <nixternal> the translation stuff is huge, and would be a nightmare w/o the support or the structure
[08:22] <willvdl> agreed there
[08:22] <HedgeMage> wb RichEd 
[08:22] <RichEd-1> damn adsl reset &%!$#
[08:22] <nixternal> hehe
[08:23] <RichEd-1> this was the last I got:
[08:23] <RichEd-1> willvdl> or indeed anything else we put in there
[08:23] <nixternal> wow RichEd, you missed quite a few lines
[08:23] <nixternal> i will pastebin them
[08:23] <nixternal> !pastebin
[08:23] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:23] <RichEd-1> can someone repaste to me please or my logs will be incompete
[08:23] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26561/
[08:23] <nixternal> RichEd ^^
[08:24] <RichEd-1> thanks ... loading it now
[08:25] <willvdl> basically just that releases are coupled with new versions
[08:25] <RichEd-1> olkay ... back & up to speed
[08:25] <RichEd-1> *okay
[08:27] <RichEd> right moving on then ... next agenda point:
[08:27] <RichEd> 3. what is the current status
[08:27] <RichEd> = what needs to be done before handover
[08:27] <RichEd> = what needs to be done for any deadlines
[08:27] <RichEd> = when could or should the handover take place
[08:27] <nixternal> LTSP is coming up for sure, the rest is rather empty yet, with a couple of pages with a paragraph or 2 on them
[08:27] <RichEd> Can I assume that nixternal and hedge have this under control, and will and I can look at the handover that takes place after the release ?
[08:27] <nixternal> structure isn't there just yet, as you can see from the test build i provided
[08:28] <RichEd> Or do you guys need help now from us and tothers ?
[08:28] <RichEd> *others
[08:28] <RichEd> where do I see the test build ?
[08:28] <nixternal> we need help with content, no doubt
[08:28] <nixternal> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/handbook/C/
[08:28] <RichEd> loading ...
[08:28] <nixternal> and this is what it should resemble docbook wise -> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/docbook_structure.txt
[08:29] <willvdl> PErhaps we could include in the edubuntu manifesto: though shalt write documentaiton :P
[08:29] <nixternal> the structure i will get rocking for sure
[08:29] <nixternal> haha willvdl +1
[08:29] <HedgeMage> RichEd: It's going to be tight on content and proofing... having another person would help.
[08:29] <HedgeMage> RichEd: We've just had too much turnover this release.
[08:30] <nixternal> there has been a lot of turnover all over as well
[08:30] <RichEd> Well maybe of we made a call at the meeting next week and on the mail lists, asking for volunteers for specific sections, it may be easier to recruit ?
[08:30] <RichEd> *if
[08:30] <nixternal> the only place i haven't seen the turnover, and another plus (and im not their paid pimp), the doc team. they have been the same people for over a year now
[08:31] <RichEd> ubuntu doc or edubuntu doc team ?
[08:31] <nixternal> ubuntu doc
[08:31] <HedgeMage> RichEd: Sounds good.  I'll come up with a list of things we need to get done still.
[08:31] <nixternal> but remember, ubuntu doc == Ubuntu Documentation Project, which is the main documentation team for all the ubuntu projects
[08:31] <willvdl> I can certainly at this stage help with proofing certain sections
[08:31] <HedgeMage> willvdl: that would be awesome.
[08:32] <nixternal> definitely
[08:32] <willvdl> but need to ramp up on processes, and am a bit technically out of practice
[08:32] <RichEd> looking at the structure, are the <NOT COMPLETE> gaps all new sections that sid not exist in previous versions, or were they incomplete back then  as well ?
[08:32] <nixternal> willvdl: are you comfortable with grabbing a section and writing from scratch?
[08:32] <RichEd> *did
[08:33] <willvdl> nixternal, depends on the section, not to be evasive
[08:33] <nixternal> like for instance, under Part I -- Choosing the Right Install Type <- grabbing something like that and taking off with it
[08:33] <nixternal> no i understand, any help is BIG help
[08:33] <HedgeMage> RichEd: A combination of both of those, and some that were in the last edition, but are grossly outdated now.
[08:33] <willvdl> yeah, higher level stuff, nop
[08:33] <nixternal> willvdl: the higher level stuff will come with time
[08:33] <nixternal> there are still some i don't even mess with, like ltsp ;)
[08:33] <HedgeMage> hehe
[08:33] <nixternal> the stand alone i can rock that out with my eyes shut, since i have done the kubuntu desktop guide from scratch almost
[08:34] <HedgeMage> We had great help with all the LTSP stuff... it should all be ready for proofing now
[08:34] <RichEd> ltsp stadard docs are being done by sbanlneav ... we just need to integerate them.
[08:34] <willvdl> what about pulling in artwork team for pics, graphics, etc?
[08:34] <nixternal> sblanev or however he goes by has rocked big time on that
[08:34] <RichEd> It may be a help to him and us to give him some sample sections to compare against so that he gets the style and level right fore asy fit
[08:35] <nixternal> willvdl: also, https://help.ubuntu.com and http://doc.ubuntu.com are some good places to pick up the style as well, and don't be affraid to grab a line or 2 from one of the existing ubuntu docs either..that only makes your life easier when creating the substance
[08:35] <HedgeMage> willvdl: Lisa already has our covers done... the only other graphics we'll need are the occassional screenshot, those we can do.
[08:35] <nixternal> we can always go back later and edit it
[08:35] <HedgeMage> RichEd: I think sbanlneav is the person who just redid all handbook's ltsp stuff :)
[08:35] <nixternal> startx --dpi 72
[08:35] <nixternal> for screenshots
[08:36] <willvdl> HedgeMage, thinking along the lines of supporting graphics like "this is what a thin-client network looks like"
[08:36] <RichEd> HedgeMage: is <NOT COMPLETE> not started or started but not complete ?
[08:37] <HedgeMage> RichEd: if you're talking about the list on the wiki, I'm apparently the only person who's seen fit to update it at all, so consider it unreliable
[08:37] <nixternal> startx -- -dpi 72
[08:37] <nixternal> sorry ;)
[08:37] <HedgeMage> RichEd: I've kind of given up on it
[08:37] <HedgeMage> RichEd: or were you talking about something else?
[08:37] <nixternal> then i use imagemagick to take my snapshots using the import utility
[08:37] <nixternal> RichEd: that is not started
[08:37] <RichEd> I mean in the build page HedgeMage NIX
[08:37] <RichEd> is is possible to build a table:
[08:37] <RichEd> [ section | owner |  status ] 
[08:38] <nixternal> RichEd: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuHandbook/EdgyTasks
[08:38] <nixternal> i believe that is what you are referring to
[08:38] <RichEd> then it is easy to see the gaps, and othwer potential volunteers can see what people are curretnly involved and what degree of commitment
[08:38] <HedgeMage> nixternal: that's the one I just said is horribly out of date.
[08:38] <HedgeMage> RichEd: cool
[08:38] <nixternal> heh
[08:38] <willvdl> RichEd, what about doing that through launchpad?
[08:38] <nixternal> maybe work on creating a new one then
[08:39] <RichEd> I mean one that fits and matches the http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/handbook/C/ page ?
[08:40] <RichEd> so a potential helper can browse the handbook build, and see the gap status in the same visit /
[08:40] <HedgeMage> ahh I hadn't seen that yet :)
[08:40] <nixternal> i think the wiki would be good for managing it... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects is something we try to use with the doc team....just for an idea
[08:40] <nixternal> RichEd: also, the doc team svn repo has the status feature as well, where you can track page status via the server
[08:41] <RichEd> okay ... we must just make sure that we can call for people to look at the latest build and easily get an idea of where they could help
[08:41] <RichEd> so the two links must be in the same "teaser" whatever
[08:41] <RichEd> I have also just had an idea for a section in the handbook:
[08:41] <RichEd>   26. Contribute to Ubuntu
[08:41] <RichEd>     Contributing to Edubuntu
[08:42] <nixternal> RichEd & HedgeMage -> example of status reporting -> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/status/dg-report.html
[08:42] <RichEd> + Conrtibuting to the handbook <- new section
[08:42] <RichEd> so that all the handbook readers get an idea that they can help with the next one !
[08:42] <nixternal> that is computated via the tags used in <chapter id="name" status="finished"> under the status
[08:43] <nixternal> contributing to ubuntu has a new doc being created by the Andreas Lloyd and LaserJock
[08:43] <willvdl> nixternal, presumably that status report could be even more detailed with a few extra arguments?
[08:43] <nixternal> we can use that, as it covers everything you could ever imagine
[08:43] <HedgeMage> RichEd: cool :D
[08:43] <willvdl> I'm only used to cvs, not svn
[08:43] <nixternal> willvdl: we script a wiki page to make it more informative yes
[08:44] <RichEd> adding the author would be nice so that people can see who is doing waht ...
[08:44] <nixternal> svn co, svn up, svn diff, and svn stat is all you need to know, until you get blessed with svn status, then you can learn commit
[08:44] <nixternal> and patch -p0 <blah
[08:44] <HedgeMage> nixternal: What are you doing tomorrow afternoon?
[08:44] <RichEd> = an idea of workload and also skill level ... as in if XCFg can do a section then so can I ?
[08:44] <nixternal> helping you HedgeMage ;)
[08:44] <HedgeMage> hehe
[08:44] <nixternal> i figured you were going somewhere with that
[08:45] <HedgeMage> nixternal: If we can plug away hard-core when TT naps for a couple of hours, we should be able to get a lot done.
[08:45] <nixternal> lol
[08:45] <RichEd> I'll try to be around as well ...
[08:45] <HedgeMage> Hey, I'm a mom, that's how I schedule my day :P
[08:45] <nixternal> maybe tomorrow lets get a wiki page going where eveyrthing can be documented and followed
[08:46] <nixternal> i will continue working ont he structure as well on the svn
[08:46] <willvdl> nixternal, your repo on ubuntu-rocks, how does that map to doc.ubuntu?
[08:46] <HedgeMage> nixternal: that's what I was thinking exactly
[08:46] <nixternal> it doesn't...i copied and pasted ;)
[08:46] <RichEd> If you guys can continue with the current version, Will and I can join in tangentially to add resources
[08:46] <willvdl> ah :)
[08:46] <nixternal> willvdl: i have svn access, so i can build on the server or locally which is nice..as it allows me to use some custom scripts
[08:47] <RichEd> Time marches on ... let's chat quickly about:
[08:47] <RichEd> * Edubuntu Handbook Future
[08:47] <willvdl> ah, just your snapshot then
[08:47] <RichEd>   = suggestion being made about printing / lulu.com
[08:47] <RichEd>   = http://www.lulu.com/
[08:47] <nixternal> RichEd: definitely LuLu
[08:47] <RichEd> what do we do if the handbook is not complete ?
[08:47] <willvdl> lulu is just one option though
[08:47] <nixternal> i have purchased everyone of our docs from lulu
[08:48] <nixternal> and so has a lot of other people
[08:48] <HedgeMage> RichEd: Even if it comes out a couple of weeks late, getting it out in print is important IMHO... I've had LOTS of requests for print handbooks
[08:48] <willvdl> lulu being not that big in Africa or the east
[08:48] <RichEd> pre lulu question: Has it been released in an incompelte form before, or have we always managed to get it done.
[08:48] <RichEd> willvdl: let's stick to getting it a process working for one outlet, and then we can expand :)
[08:48] <HedgeMage> RichEd: Last release was the first one it was actually completed.
[08:49] <HedgeMage> RichEd: We didn't release any kind of print because pygi and I felt it wasn't mature enough.
[08:49] <RichEd> okay ... 'cos we can't lulu an incomplete book :)
[08:49] <HedgeMage> RichEd: I know :)
[08:49] <RichEd> And do you think this version will be mature enough ?
[08:49] <nixternal> i sure hope so
[08:50] <nixternal> what is our timeline btw?
[08:50] <RichEd> you tell me ? nixternal & madge ?
[08:50] <nixternal> edgy release or edgy+1 release?
[08:50] <HedgeMage> RichEd: I'm a perfectionist, I'll never think it's good enough ;)  That said, I think it will.  It'll look like a young project, but it will be printable or I'll fall asleep at the keyboard trying.
[08:50] <nixternal> lol
[08:50] <nixternal> or somewhere in between
[08:51] <willvdl> what about updates post release? do we sub-version and release for printing?
[08:51] <RichEd> nixternal: Edgy release for electronic and maybe lulu after a bedding down period ?
[08:51] <HedgeMage> RichEd: When I suggested on the mailing list that we put off printing until edgy+1 there were several responses on list and I got about 15 or 20 privately begging me not to postpone.
[08:51] <nixternal> oh wow...we have 15 days to do 2 months worth of work
[08:51] <nixternal> that was over exagerating
[08:51] <nixternal> sorry ;)
[08:51] <RichEd> We *cannot* postpone until Edgy+1 ... and the goal posts will have moved by then as well.
[08:51] <nixternal> needless to say, it will be tight
[08:51] <HedgeMage> RichEd: I agree.
[08:52] <HedgeMage> It'll be tight, and all the help we can get will improve the quality, but I think we can still pull it off :)
[08:52] <nixternal> OK, so first thing tomorrow, when TT is sleeping :)  hammer out our 15 day or less goal list, and create status and POCs for each chapter, leave open if noone is working it and so on
[08:52] <RichEd> By edgy+1 the education and ubuntu and edubuntu lines will be blurring: We will be talking to a lot of people using Ubuntu native with Education applications ... and we need to work out how to cope with them as well.
[08:53] <RichEd> But that is over the horizon, so our focus is now on Edubuntu handbook.
[08:53] <nixternal> structure, i will hammer out and i will grab a latest build, and work in screenshots for the stand-alone section
[08:53] <willvdl> especially since LTSP now has a less integrated focus
[08:53] <nixternal> wow, i have 2 huge doc projects due in 2 weeks ;)
[08:53] <nixternal> Edubuntu and Ichthux...this will be fun, and I thought the Edgy cycle was tight for Kubuntu and Ubuntu docs
[08:54] <HedgeMage> hehe nixternal 
[08:54] <RichEd> ichtux ... are you working with laserjock on that ?
[08:54] <HedgeMage> RichEd: just as I was about to say, we have a lot to do, I can't think much about edgy+1 now
[08:55] <RichEd> We seem to have covered most of the stuff needed to get a POA in place ... can I sumarize now so that we finish under the hour ?
[08:55] <willvdl> goforit
[08:55] <HedgeMage> cool, then I can sleep ;)
[08:55] <RichEd> #1 HedgeMage and nixternal continue working as before for now ...
[08:55] <RichEd> #2 RichEd summarises this meeting
[08:56] <nixternal> yar RichEd, sorry for the delay, tech support people hounding me in every channel around
[08:56] <RichEd> #3 Will becomes Project Manager for the handover process
[08:56] <RichEd> #4 HedgeMage sends me a list for the outstanding work required now, current target
[08:57] <RichEd> #5 Richard does eom recruitment via the lists
[08:57] <RichEd> *some
[08:57] <nixternal> hehe
[08:57] <willvdl> *press-gang
[08:57] <RichEd> exchange some email this weekend / monday & meet again next week, say tue to touch sides ?
[08:57] <HedgeMage> sounds good
[08:58] <RichEd> Then we have a structure to work against ?
[08:58] <HedgeMage> hi pips1
[08:58] <RichEd> pips1 :)
[08:58] <pips1> hi
[08:59] <nixternal> works for me
[08:59] <RichEd> okay ... I'll get the minutes out by the end of my day today.
[08:59] <RichEd> Thanks all.
[08:59] <HedgeMage> RichEd: Thanks a lot :)
[08:59] <willvdl> Thanks.
[09:00] <willvdl> You folks deserve medals and if the plans turn out right, they won't need to be posthumously awarded :)
[09:00] <nixternal> hehe
[09:02] <HedgeMage> lol willvdl 
[09:10] <pips1> on a G5...
[09:32] <Burgundavia> http://cultivation.sourceforge.net/
[09:33] <pygi> Burgundavia: o joy, what a game :)
[09:33] <Burgundavia> I know
[09:34] <Burgundavia> care to package it?
[09:34] <Burgundavia> look at the notes
[09:35] <Burgundavia> it might be thin-client safe
[09:35] <pygi> Burgundavia: could I do it over the weekend pls? :)
[09:35] <Burgundavia> sure
[09:36] <pygi> thanks :)
[09:36] <pips1> looks fun
[09:36] <Burgundavia> very much a game for an Educational distro
[09:36] <Burgundavia> you coudl probably do that same sort of thing with plain cairo and svg
[09:36] <pygi> quite busy now, extensive testing of libburn on FreeBSD + "preparing" for my "Windows exam" in uni next week :P
[09:40] <pygi> that is very fun :)
[09:41] <kihai> Hi there. Does anyone know if WSMON is running with the ltsp version edubuntu has implemented?
[09:42] <pips1> kihai: ogra will know
[09:42] <pips1> I don't think he is up yet
[09:44] <pygi> kihai: can't you use SCP to monitor who is logined to server?
[09:54] <kihai> pygi: what is scp?
[09:55] <pygi> kihai: Student Control Panel --> System --> Administration --> Student Control Panel
[09:58] <kihai> pygi: You're sure that's implemented in Edubuntu 6.06?
[09:59] <pygi> kihai: oh, Edu 6.06 :) There it has a lot less features, tho do this: sudo apt-get install student-control-panel
[10:00] <kihai> pygi: Yeah I know! :) I'm waiting eagerly for 6.10 because of the implemented local device access. But I'm running Edubuntu on a productive system with around 500 users, so can't afford experimenting... :)
[10:01] <pygi> kihai: :)
[10:02] <kihai> pygi: I'm still hesitating installing student-control-panel as it says in the description it's for ubuntu ltsp. You're sure it runs under edubuntu without ruining some configs?
[10:03] <pygi> kihai: ergh, Edubuntu is running muecow implementaion of LTSP
[10:03] <pygi> kihai: ofcourse it works :)
[10:04] <kihai> pygi: ...because for example you can't install ltsp-manager on Eduntu, although it's in the repos. It'll ruin your edubuntu ltsp config
[10:04] <pygi> and there is no such thing as "ubuntu ltsp"
[10:04] <kihai> pygi: I thought ubuntu ltsp refers to ltsp 4.1/4.2
[10:05] <pygi> kihai: just "muecow"...just install it, it'll work :P
[10:05] <kihai> pygi: OK, I'll give it a try...
[10:06] <kihai> pygi: Man, you saved my day!!! No, let's say you saved my month!!! I've been looking for this soooo long to no avail.... You're my hero!!! :) :) :)
[10:07] <pygi> kihai: :P
[10:12] <pygi> kihai: glad it works for you :)
[10:15] <kihai> pygi: Have you already tested Edubuntu 6.10's ltsp implementation and especially the local device access?
[10:16] <pygi> kihai: ofcourse :)
[10:18] <pygi> kihai: works very nice
[10:22] <adrian__> pygi: I looked in yesterday and I would like to help if I can with the documentation. I have very little linux experience and am not a coder so I would be happy to read from a noob perspective. I did chat briefly to nixternal and hedgemage is the person I need to get in touch with for indepth issues. I wonder which svn client do you recommend installin (I am used to tortoise svn on windows)
[10:23] <pygi> adrian__: you can poke both me & hedgemage if you are interested | talking about Edubuntu Handbook
[10:23] <adrian__> Kewl :)
[10:23] <adrian__> Apologies for demoting you :oops:
[10:24] <pygi> lol, don't worry :)
[10:24] <pygi> adrian__: try installing RapidSVN
[10:24] <pygi> should be fine :)
[10:24] <adrian__> Kewl, thanks
[10:24] <adrian__> I'll get up to speed soon I hope :)
[10:26] <pygi> Burgundavia: how do I put mouse in dependencies, hehe :)
[10:26] <adrian__> I can see why, having worked on an opensource portal system, by the time you finish a chapter, a new version is out! hehe
[10:27] <pygi> adrian__: not that, but the involvment of people is not really well...
[10:27] <pygi> The Dapper Handbook (Edubuntu Cookbook) was out the same day as Dapper
[10:29] <pygi> adrian__: will brb, shower
[10:29] <pygi> you ping if you want me to answer anything or you wanna know something
[10:30] <pygi> same to kihai if you'r still alive :P
[10:30] <adrian__> Kewl, I will try to do my noobish best. I have a couple of pc's that I hope to use the book to install the variants and follow the book as verbatim. That will sort out the issues I hope :)
[10:35] <kihai> pygi: Thanks! I'm just writing down my list of packages I'll need reinstalled in 6.10. Can't wait till it's out. Although I'll then have to migrate some 450 user accounts. *praying that it'll work*
[10:44] <pygi> kihai: what about "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" :P
[11:06] <keltorsori> anyone here had "menu item 'ltsp-client-builder' failed when installing before?
[11:10] <pips1> pygi: I tried a dist-upgrade from dapper to edgy with beta and ran into trouble. But it might be fixed by now...
[11:11] <pips1> keltorsori: I haven't
[11:12] <keltorsori> I was having it with the most recent edubuntu dailies (and beta for that matter), but last week it fixed. Basically the installer would get to the build chroot bit and choke at the above mentioned point. Anyway my point is, whatever the issue is/was, it is still affecting the LTSP install on xubuntu
[11:13] <pips1> keltorsori: tell ogra (once he is here)
[11:13] <keltorsori> did, even filed the bug. just being a pest :)
[11:13] <pips1> hehe
[11:14] <keltorsori> well, and hoping my three machines aren't the only ones on the planet with this problem
[11:14] <pips1> right :)
[11:27] <kihai> I'm don't feel to try to dist-upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10. The system here has to be running from Mo-Fr 8am-5pm daily, so can't afford it crashing during upgrade. Will install 6.10 separately on a second hardrive and if it runs w/o probs, migrate the data from the other disk. Seems safer to me, cause if anything goes wrong, I can just plug in the first disk, reboot, and nothing has changed...
[11:28] <kihai> Btw: I tried to install the current Beta Install CD, but the cd has defects. Anyone experienced that, too? The live-cd works OK, though.
[11:32] <pips1> what architecture? amd64? i386? ..?
[11:33] <pips1> kihai: and at what speed did you burn the cd? I always use 8x and sometimes even as low as 4x, that helps preventing bad cds
[11:34] <pips1> kihai: you can test the most recent Daily build (13-Oct). This worked for me (amd64 server with i886 clients). http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily/current/
[11:35] <kihai> pips1: I burned with max speed. But the live cd already got installed, so no probs...
[12:13] <ogra> keltorsori, which bug number is that ?
[12:14] <keltorsori> 65234
[12:15] <ogra> oh, xubuntu is missing a package apparently
[12:18] <keltorsori> ahh
[12:18] <keltorsori> that's useful to know :)
[12:18] <ogra> i commented on the bug and assigned it to the right people 
[12:18] <ogra> so it should be solved soon
[12:19] <keltorsori> awesome, thanks
[12:19] <keltorsori> funny thing is, up until very recently I was having the same issue with edgy edubuntu as well
[12:19] <ogra> in edubuntu that was fixed long ago though
[12:20] <keltorsori> i'm doing an ed install right not, just finishing the clean up
[12:20] <keltorsori> gotta say i love the work you guys have done on LTSP
[12:20] <ogra> committer: Oliver Grawert <ogra@ubuntu.com>
[12:20] <ogra> branch nick: edubuntu.edgy
[12:20] <ogra> timestamp: Sat 2006-08-19 10:55:54 +0200
[12:20] <ogra> message:
[12:20] <ogra>   seeded ltspfs and ltspfsd for ltsp local device support
[12:20] <ogra> ------------------------------------------------------------
[12:20] <ogra> there it is :)
[12:20] <ogra> sorry, not so long ago ...
[12:21] <ogra> great that you like it :) there is more to come
[12:22] <keltorsori> i was a committed k12ltsp user (have been for a long time), but with local device support in edgy i'm moving
[12:22] <ogra> yay
[12:22] <keltorsori> anyway, thanks
[12:23] <ogra> we'll have a lot of k12 developers at the mountainview summit next month
[12:23] <ogra> i hope we can do more together ...
[12:25] <cbx33> hey ogra 
[12:26] <ogra> hey
[12:26] <cbx33> did we find that problem
[12:26] <ogra> pitti is on it
[12:26] <cbx33> excellent
[12:26] <ogra> after that we'll cdheck again
[12:26] <cbx33> sorry about yesterday
[12:26] <ogra> i'm pretty sure there are two probs
[12:26] <cbx33> oh?
[12:26] <ogra> but i need one solved to check the second one
[12:27] <cbx33> ahhh i see
[12:27] <cbx33> well I can check on monday for you
[12:27] <ogra> oki
[12:27] <ogra> but install tests are more important ... 
[12:28] <cbx33> ok
[12:28] <ogra> i will try to reproduce it here over the weekend
[12:28] <cbx33> I'll try and get a 386 resize install done today
[12:28] <cbx33> I have done a clear
[12:31] <cbx33> hey willvdl 
[12:31] <willvdl> hey. get that mail?
[12:33] <cbx33> um...just checking
[12:34] <willvdl> sorry, sent a 1MB pdf
[12:34] <cbx33> it's ok
[12:34] <willvdl> was too lazy to link it somewhere :)
[12:35] <cbx33> right....I'll take a closer look when I get back from having my blood test
[01:45] <lucasvo> wtf?
[01:45] <lucasvo> lucasvo@hera:~/Desktop$ mv trunk/ /home/lucasvo/Desktop/harmony/
[01:45] <lucasvo> mv: cannot move `trunk/' to a subdirectory of itself, `/home/lucasvo/Desktop/harmony/trunk'
[01:45] <lucasvo> lucasvo@hera:~/Desktop$ 
[01:46] <pips1> bizarre
[01:47] <lucasvo> indeed
[01:47] <lucasvo> crappy fs
[01:48] <pips1> lucasvo: you like swearing ey?
[01:48] <pips1> :-P
[01:48] <lucasvo> pips1: well, depends. normally I don't swear but if my rcs manages to mesh up my filesystem and I am unter time-pressure...
[01:49] <pips1> rcs?
[01:50] <pips1> ah
[01:50] <pips1> google define:rcs is your friend :-)
[02:46] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowtoWriteLTSP5Plugins is that written in an understandable way ?
[03:35] <jsgotangco> hi!
[03:36] <bddebian> Heya
[03:36] <bddebian> Hi jsgotangco
[04:26] <jsgotangco> goodnight!
[04:44] <sbalneav> Morning all!
[04:55] <pips1> hi sbalneav
[04:57] <sbalneav> Hello pips1
[05:40] <cbx33> Hi RichEd 
[05:53] <lguerra> pips1, highvoltage, ubuntu-cl please
[05:53] <pips1> ah!
[06:20] <lucasvo> which package do I need if I have signal.h, string.h, stidio.h missing?
[06:22] <juliux> lucasvo, apt-file is your friend;)
[06:23] <lucasvo> juliux: I don't even know the command :)
[06:23] <juliux> lucasvo, sudo aptitude install apt-file
[06:36] <gnomefreak> than you have to update the data base of apt-file
[07:02] <juliux> apt-file update ;)
[07:15] <pips1> do we have any spanish speakers in the house that could help us with a little real-time translation in #ubuntu-education? 
[07:20] <lucasvo> pips1: #edubuntu-ed
[07:20] <lucasvo> pips1: #edubuntu-es
[07:20] <pips1> lucasvo: thanks, we just got a translator :)
[07:21] <lucasvo> pips1: do you happen to have an usb 56k modem supported by linux?
[07:29] <pips1> lucasvo: no
[08:31] <intelikey> with what gui apps does edubuntu come ?
[08:36] <highvoltage> gnome
[08:36] <highvoltage> in the future there might be an xfce option too
[08:37] <intelikey> ok.
[08:37] <intelikey> tanks
[08:56] <highvoltage> dbdbdbbbdddbdebian
[08:56] <highvoltage> hey bddebian 
[08:56] <bddebian> Heya highvoltage
[09:26] <HedgeMage> hey, nixternal, you awake?
[09:39] <nixternal> ya...working on some translation scripts here...i will be free in a few ;)
[09:41] <HedgeMage> cool :)
[09:47] <nixternal> translations go so slooooooooooooooooow
[09:49] <nixternal> is there a current "Chapter" list that you want to go by?  i take it maybe the one you listed in the svn?
[09:49] <HedgeMage> hehe
[09:50] <nixternal> i want to start working on a task list / status page
[09:50] <HedgeMage> The onle in SVN is good except we need to find a place to fit in the Student Control Panel material
[09:50] <nixternal> is there any current documentation on the "SCP" that i can look at? I am not familiar with it currently
[09:51] <nixternal> heh...maybe if i look at it on the puter i might understand it
[09:51] <nixternal> system > admin there it is 
[09:51] <HedgeMage> hehe
[09:52] <nixternal> is this a LTSP thing?
[09:52] <nixternal> there is no help associated with it that i can see from the application
[09:52] <HedgeMage> nixternal: someone committed a section on it to the handbook stuff for us
[09:52] <HedgeMage> I know squat about it
[09:53] <HedgeMage> It came out while I was dealing with the chaos over here
[09:53] <nixternal> well, looking at it, i would have no idea what it is...to me it looks broke
[09:53] <sbalneav> Hey HedgeMage
[09:53] <HedgeMage> nixternal: oh, fun
[09:53] <nixternal> hehe
[09:53] <nixternal> ...
[09:53] <nixternal> System: ...
[09:53] <HedgeMage> nixternal: for now let's figure out where we'll stick it, then I'll attack it after I've had time to read through it and hopefully play with it
[09:53] <HedgeMage> hi sbalneav :)
[09:54] <nixternal> we can do that HedgeMage
[09:54] <sbalneav> SCP's the Student Control Panel, cbx33 wrote that bit, I beleive.
[09:54] <sbalneav> Yes, it's primary use is in thin client environments.
[09:54] <HedgeMage> sbalneav: I think so... my memory fails... those few weeks were a blur.
[09:55] <sbalneav> I'm still working on the ltsp bits of the doco, although I noticed some blogging about it.  Is the repo changing that I should be svn'ing to ?
[09:56] <nixternal> sbalneav: the plan is to utilize the already proven infrastructure with the ubuntu documentation project
[09:56] <nixternal> i uploaded everything to that server and everyting validates and builds even in its current state
[09:56] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository for more information
[09:56] <sbalneav> ok
[09:57] <nixternal> right now, you will need to create patches and send them to me, until they can get svn access setup for you guys
[09:57] <sbalneav> Hm, that's a PITA
[09:58] <nixternal> ya, but by switching we saved big time future headaches
[09:59] <HedgeMage> sbalneav: Yeah, I know it's a pain, but we have needed to get into the main doc repo so we can get translation moving, etc., and they want a history of commits before we can have access... it's rather a nightmare.
[10:00] <nixternal> im around all of the time anyways ;)
[10:00] <HedgeMage> Yeah, but if you had a life, handbook would be screwed :P
[10:00] <sbalneav> ok, I'll try to finish up my LTSP stuff this weekend.
[10:01] <HedgeMage> thanks, sbalneav 
[10:01] <nixternal> good deal sbalneav...im going to restructure thats it...im not messing with any of thte content ;)
[10:01] <nixternal> especially with ltsp..i would only mess it up ;0
[10:01] <nixternal> way to go shift button
[10:02] <nixternal> oh, i just caught the "if you had a life" joke ;)
[10:02] <nixternal> well, now i could get a life, as the doc svn repo for the handbook is ready to rock and roll
[10:03] <HedgeMage> nixternal: Except no one from handbook can commit to it :P
[10:03] <nixternal> soon young grasshoppa
[10:04] <nixternal> well, the nice thing about submitting patches..is if they aren't perfect..the person who does submit for you, makes sure they get fixed so they do work ;)
[10:04] <HedgeMage> :)
[10:04] <HedgeMage> Yeah, but it kind of defeats the purpose of having SVN if you have to wait for others to commit for you all the time.  It's awfully hard to collaborate that way
[10:05] <nixternal> EdubuntuHandbook/TaskAndStatus  <-- how is that for a master page to follow with open tasks, tasks in progress, tasks ready for review, and completed tasks?
[10:05] <nixternal> link wise
[10:05] <HedgeMage> brb
[10:05] <nixternal> HedgeMage: poke mdke silly, you shoul dhave no problem getting access ;)
[10:05] <nixternal> truthfully, i don't think anyone who has committed in the past should
[10:06] <nixternal> svn is revision control...easy to always turn back (even for my screwups ;)
[10:12] <HedgeMage> nixternal: I think it's likely to make things worse if I do... every time SVN access for handbook people has come up, we've had at least 3 docteam reps give us different info on what they want us to do... the only consensus was "we don't think you're worthy of SVN access until you've been having patches committed for ages"  That's why the temp repo got set up.
[10:13] <nixternal> HedgeMage: i know what you mean..i did it for 6 months...maybe laserjock and myself can do some persuasion
[10:13] <nixternal> who needs or has to have svn commit access?
[10:13] <HedgeMage> nixternal: Good luck, we've been trying since three months before dapper release.
[10:14] <HedgeMage> nixternal: At least me and one other person (preferably sbalneav or pygi)
[10:14] <nixternal> well, i will tell them i won't do translations until they add you..then they are screwed...mdke doesn't want to do the python stuff alone ;)
[10:14] <HedgeMage> LOL :)
[10:14] <nixternal> the kubuntu desktop guide has been rolling now for over an hour..and i still have to go through and fix all of the validation errors
[10:15] <nixternal> it is a good 4 to 6 hour task for each translated document
[10:15] <HedgeMage> ouch.
[10:15] <nixternal> 2 to 4 for the abouts and release notes
[10:15] <nixternal> is everyone ubuntu/kubuntu/edubuntu/xubuntu members?
[10:16] <HedgeMage> nixternal: I know pygi and I are, sbalneav what about you?
[10:16] <pygi> HedgeMage: what I did wrong this time? :)
[10:16] <nixternal> everything ;)
[10:16] <sbalneav> HedgeMage: I'm not, as yet, an Ubuntu or Edubuntu member.
[10:16] <nixternal> pygi: getting you guys svn access
[10:17] <HedgeMage> pygi: associating with suspicious crowds...  nixternal asked if you're an edubuntu member :P
[10:17] <sbalneav> Even though I've got software that I've written in main :)
[10:17] <HedgeMage> sbalneav: so apply silly 
[10:17] <nixternal> well, i kind of knew pygi was hooked up, as i always see him in the tb meetings
[10:17] <pygi> HedgeMage: oh, that :) I refuse to confess I'm part of suspicious crowds
[10:17] <sbalneav> I've got my edubuntu membership being discussed this coming wednesday :)
[10:17] <nixternal> awesome sbalneav!
[10:17] <HedgeMage> yay sbalneav :)
[10:17] <HedgeMage> sbalneav: If I can stay up for the odd timing, I'll come cheer you on :D
[10:18] <pygi> nixternal: where was I hooked up?
[10:18] <nixternal> i doubt you will have a problem, unless of course they are tougher than the CC
[10:18] <sbalneav> I'm expecting to be turned down for "political unreliability". :)
[10:18] <HedgeMage> rofl sbalneav 
[10:18] <pygi> sbalneav: lol 
[10:18] <nixternal> as a dev and what pygi
[10:18] <nixternal> what not rather ;)
[10:18] <pygi> nixternal: I'm not part of MOTU team
[10:19] <nixternal> me either..i think that means "MORE" work ;)
[10:19] <pygi> if that's what you mean
[10:19] <nixternal> i package and hand them off
[10:19] <pygi> nah, I doubt I can work more then I currently do
[10:19] <HedgeMage> lol
[10:19] <nixternal> hehe
[10:19] <nixternal> i hear you there
[10:19] <pygi> I'm already working beyond my limits, so ...
[10:20] <pygi> it's other thing that I don't do nothing useful :)
[10:21] <nixternal> so HedgeMage, how does TaskAndStatus work...the page will display the tasks as well as the current status of it
[10:21] <nixternal> similar to the edgy tasks page
[10:22] <nixternal> or we can just continue using that and clean it up
[10:22] <HedgeMage> nixternal: I'll take a look in one sec, tt needs me
[10:23] <nixternal> hehe k
[10:24] <nixternal> im going to create a new page, if we choose it we can use it, or we can c&p over to the existing
[10:24] <nixternal> that way im productive right now
[10:24] <nixternal> actually..translations need my assistance..brb
[10:28] <HedgeMage> nixternal: ummm... wheres TaskAndStatus?
[10:29] <nixternal> haven't created it yet ;)
[10:29] <HedgeMage> ahh okay that's why I was totally confused :)
[10:29] <HedgeMage> As long as it's readable and obvious I'm cool with whichever way we do it :)
[10:29] <nixternal> hehe...i will hack up a cool page that will be easy to follow, and will even have special color codes and task statuses, plus maybe even a spot where people can "sign-off" that they have reviewed the doc
[10:30] <nixternal> arlighty...gotta finish up these translations kind of quickly, then i will get something out to start and work with
[10:34] <HedgeMage> :) cool
[10:34] <HedgeMage> I'll be more active once TT naps... for now I'm still doing the parenting thing :)
[10:55] <cbx33> hey HedgeMage 
[11:04] <HedgeMage> hi cbx33 
[11:04] <cbx33> howz it going
[11:04] <HedgeMage> cbx33: Okay, wishing TT would nap so I could get work done :)
[11:04] <cbx33> heheh
[11:04] <cbx33> argh gotta dash
[11:04] <cbx33> sorry 
[11:04] <cbx33> bbl
[11:05] <cbx33> lisa got the blurb
[11:05] <HedgeMage> cool :)
[11:05] <cbx33> in fact i think she sent you a mockup
[11:05] <HedgeMage> I think she emailed me back already... I planned to catch up on email when TT naps
[11:05] <HedgeMage> heh, yep
[11:26] <nixternal> HedgeMage: i believe mdke has opened up rt tickets for you and pygi for svn access...if not, it will get done, he was positive on you two (scared of the previous structure, but I talked him away from that due to your made svn skills and you are needed for edubuntu documentation on that box anyways)
[11:27] <HedgeMage> nixternal: Thanks, very cool
[11:28] <HedgeMage> And yeah, i know the previous structure was a mess... having like 4 project leads in 2.5 release cycles will do that!  That's why I'm sticking around until a new editor is on board and up to speed :)
[11:32] <nixternal> hehe
[11:32] <nixternal> my dog was just crying like she had to go out
[11:33] <nixternal> so i go and see what the issue is...well i have hardwood floors, and it seems the cleaning lady forgot to put the rug back in front of the dogs lazy boy chair..so she couldn't jump up into her chair...my dog cannot walk, and refuses to walk on the floors ever since i had the carpet removed
[11:37] <HedgeMage> lol
[11:46] <cbx33> hey pygi 
[11:48] <pygi> hey ho cbx33 :)
[11:55] <cbx33> howz ity going
[11:55] <adrian__> Aha! I see all the cookbok team are in, :) Hedge I have offered to help with the cookbook if I can, though it comes from a total noob perspective. pygi, I thought I installed rapidsvn through synaptic, but I cannot seem to find it in a list or a file manager right click. Any suggestions?
[11:56] <pygi> cbx33: good, what about you?
[11:56] <cbx33> yeh good
[11:56] <cbx33> got CS:Source working in my good kernel
[11:56] <cbx33> and beryl is working too
[11:56] <cbx33> :D
[11:56] <pygi> adrian__: run "rapidsvn" in terminal
[11:56] <cbx33> so I'm really pleased
[11:56] <adrian__> thnx will try
[11:57] <HedgeMage> adrian__: that's great to hear :)
[11:57] <HedgeMage> adrian__: We really can use all the help we can get right now.
[11:59] <pygi> o joy, this cultivation game build system sucks very much
[12:00] <HedgeMage> BBIAB, I think TT is finally ready for that nap :)
[12:00] <adrian__> Kewl, yes the terminal seems to wrk it :) Thx Hedge, I will try my best, as you can tel, the book may need a level of basic info on how to do thing :D
[12:00] <cbx33> pygi, ???
[12:01] <pygi> cbx33: Burgundavia asked me to package something, and the build system is the unusable
[12:01] <cbx33> oh
[12:01] <cbx33> :(
[12:01] <cbx33> i can't belive how cool beryl is now
[12:01] <cbx33> I shall be blogging later ;)
[12:01] <pygi> lol
[12:05] <cbx33> *gah*
[12:06] <pygi> what?! :)
[12:08] <EmxBA> hi
[12:08] <EmxBA> pygi: would ubuntu-hr team be able to send some ubuntu 6.10 cds to bosnia when they get released?
[12:09] <pygi> EmxBA: bleh, I don't think there will be shipit for Edgy
[12:10] <EmxBA> i know there won't be
[12:10] <EmxBA> but ubuntu-hr as a loco team automatically gets cds
[12:10] <pygi> no it doesn't :)
[12:10] <EmxBA> and there is no ubuntu-bs loco team
[12:10] <EmxBA> according to some sites, it does ;)
[12:11] <pygi> lol, some!
[12:11] <HedgeMage> Yay! He's napping... finally!
[12:12] <EmxBA> i should laught at you. see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue14#head-1e3555bea7bd06018bbadcf89ed23281e09d78f1 
[12:12] <EmxBA> citing: "Approved LoCo teams can request 6.10, however, and will be sent out a large bundle of CDs to distribute, as well as distributors that can further spread the Ubuntu message."
[12:14] <pygi> EmxBA: lol, dude, just you laugh, I don't care at all
[12:15] <EmxBA> you'll get 6.10 anyway 
[12:15] <HedgeMage> nixternal: still about?
[12:15] <Burgwork> pygi: no, there will be shipit for edgy
[12:15] <Burgwork> it explicitly says that they will continue shipping dapper
[12:16] <pygi> yes, I know that :)