| Riddell | pesky digg | 12:13 |
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| nixternal | that it is | 12:14 |
| nixternal | just like distro watch posted the kde 3.5.5 repos | 12:14 |
| Lure | jdong: I will rather add some addiitonal Xsession.d in front and back to check the state of dpms timeout with dpms -q | 12:18 |
| jdong | hmm, interesting idea, yes | 12:19 |
| nuku | hm isn't kde supposed to support dpms settings? | 12:20 |
| jdong | nuku: that's what I was thinking originally | 12:20 |
| jdong | I still don't like blaming GNOME for a KDE problem | 12:21 |
| jdong | lol | 12:21 |
| nuku | :) | 12:21 |
| jdong | now, another logout | 12:21 |
| nixternal | who is buying dinner? im hungry | 12:23 |
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| jdong | where'd lure go? | 12:24 |
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| nixternal | fishing? | 12:25 |
| nixternal | [17:21:58] <-- Lure has left this server ("Konversation terminated!"). | 12:25 |
| Lure | jdong: it is changed after all Xsession.d scripts | 12:25 |
| nixternal | wth | 12:25 |
| jdong | Lure: I realized the same thing | 12:25 |
| Lure | nixternal: testing dpms with logout/login ;-) | 12:25 |
| nixternal | now that is odd...Lure spoke, and it didn't show him reconnect for me | 12:26 |
| jdong | [18:26] --> Lure has joined this channel (n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure). | 12:26 |
| nixternal | Lure: i seen you disconnect, but never reconnect | 12:26 |
| jdong | Lure: so, ready to start grepping kdebase? :D | 12:27 |
| Lure | jdong: ;-) | 12:27 |
| jdong | seriously, that's my best idea so far | 12:28 |
| jdong | lol | 12:28 |
| Lure | jdong: kdesktop/lock/lockprocess.cc: | 12:29 |
| jdong | ha, you're actually doing it | 12:30 |
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| Lure | jdong: kenergy KC module is also doing DPMS, not sure it gets executed though (I doubt it) | 12:34 |
| jdong | hmm | 12:34 |
| Lure | jdong: there is code doing stuff like this: | 12:35 |
| Lure | DPMSSetTimeouts(dpy, 60*standby, 60*suspend, 60*off); | 12:35 |
| jdong | Lure: that is VERY suspicious | 12:35 |
| Lure | jdong: this might be it! | 12:36 |
| Lure | it does quesy dpms for default values in case that config is not set in kcmdisplayrc | 12:36 |
| jdong | that sounds suspicious then | 12:37 |
| Lure | it's config is in sec, while they do not divide pre_configured values with 60 | 12:37 |
| jdong | Lure: try patching out the DPMSSetTimeouts call? | 12:38 |
| nixternal | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/RC/Kubuntu && https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/RC/Kubuntu | 12:38 |
| Lure | jdong: this is buggy for sure, the problem is that I do not know who executes this function on login() | 12:38 |
| jdong | kenergy should've been neudered anyway | 12:38 |
| nixternal | start providing me with the goods | 12:38 |
| nixternal | actually..im going to hold off for a couple of days before adding content | 12:39 |
| Lure | jdong: for start I will explicitly set kcmdisplayrc values to some strange number in order to see if they have effect | 12:39 |
| nixternal | otherwise we will get the crazies in here wanting to talk to everyone about their issues we already know about | 12:40 |
| Lure | jdong: this will prove that init_energy() gets executed (and that we have the right suspect) | 12:40 |
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| Lure | jdong: did not help :-( | 12:44 |
| jdong | Lure: if you really want to rule it out, you'd comment out the function call | 12:45 |
| Lure | jdong: it does not get executed - if it would, it would use my config values and not wrong seconds stuff | 12:45 |
| jdong | ah, ok | 12:46 |
| Lure | anyway, I am braindead and have to get early tommorow | 12:46 |
| Lure | -> bed | 12:46 |
| Lure | jdong: is bug already opened? | 12:46 |
| jdong | Lure: no, it isn't... | 12:46 |
| jdong | Lure: you wanna open it? | 12:46 |
| Lure | jdong: just do it ;-) | 12:47 |
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| Lure | nite all! | 12:47 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: back, kk, I'll start looking :) | 12:49 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: RC image... something like this? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27472 | 12:52 |
| === ryanakca has a pile of purple flowers on his digital camera... | ||
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| Riddell | ryanakca: it needs to have some relevance to kubuntu | 12:53 |
| ryanakca | ah, kk | 12:53 |
| Riddell | so it needs the logo in the photo (but just an overlay) | 12:53 |
| ryanakca | btw, where d'you get the kubuntu mug? | 12:53 |
| Riddell | doesn't have to be a photo of course | 12:53 |
| Riddell | kubuntu.de did the mugs | 12:53 |
| ryanakca | kk... nice :) | 12:54 |
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| === ryanakca scraps the idea... forget that... | ||
| ryanakca | Riddell: Kubuntu logo has to be blue, right? | 12:57 |
| === ryanakca wonders if he can take this http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40338 and give it a purple-blue twist | ||
| jdong | ok, filed as bug 65791 | 12:58 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65791 in kde-guidance "DPMS timeout restored incorrectly on login" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65791 | 12:58 |
| jdong | Riddell: what's the current freeze status with regards to bugfixes? | 12:58 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: the guy who made that, doesn't even hang out here anymore | 12:58 |
| jdong | Riddell: not properly doing DPMS is pretty fatal to laptop users | 12:58 |
| nixternal | Linuxmonkey was his name | 12:58 |
| ryanakca | hmm... rings a bell.. I think | 12:58 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: kk, does that make a difference? | 12:59 |
| nixternal | ya | 12:59 |
| nixternal | get a better design ;) | 12:59 |
| Riddell | jdong: pretty frozen | 12:59 |
| nixternal | hahah | 12:59 |
| nixternal | j/k | 12:59 |
| jdong | :( | 12:59 |
| nixternal | my lappy won't even boot anything newer than knot 1 or 2 | 12:59 |
| nixternal | but i think that is due to it having puter cancer | 01:00 |
| nixternal | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2565287072886554182&q=GI+joe | 01:01 |
| nixternal | stop your downloading now! | 01:01 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: I have a feeling that this isn't exactly a new .jpg? http://raphink.info/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/konqi_kubudoc_hires.jpg | 01:03 |
| Riddell | nope | 01:03 |
| ryanakca | oh, lol, raphink made it :) | 01:04 |
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| nixternal | ya, he did that a while ago | 01:15 |
| Riddell | RockMan: I can't get that tar to compile | 01:37 |
| Riddell | I have checking for baudboy.h... no | 01:38 |
| Riddell | and checking for sdp_list_free in -lsdp... no | 01:38 |
| RockMan | yep, they told me that too... | 01:38 |
| RockMan | already checking... but probably i'll finish tomorrow, since i'm doing also some other things | 01:38 |
| RockMan | (and i'd like to do things as better as possible..) | 01:39 |
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| ryanakca | Riddell: I'm going to resume looking for that RC picture t'morrow... When d'you need it for? | 01:51 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: not until next thursday | 01:53 |
| ryanakca | kk | 01:53 |
| ryanakca | imbrandon: ping | 01:53 |
| === ryanakca wonders what timezone imbrandon's in... | ||
| Hawkwind | ryanakca: CST....same as me :) | 01:55 |
| imbrandon | ryanakca, pong | 02:00 |
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| nixternal | interesting...trashcan on desktop is empty, trashcan in kicker is full | 02:42 |
| Riddell | we don't have a wastebin on the desktop by default | 02:42 |
| nixternal | hehe...it is on mine ;) | 02:42 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, i noticed yesterday on upgrade from dapper it appears somereason | 02:43 |
| nixternal | not on mine anymore | 02:43 |
| imbrandon | i thought it was just me | 02:43 |
| nixternal | rm ~/Desktop/trash.Desktop | 02:43 |
| imbrandon | hrm nixternal ping me please ( in the channell ) | 02:44 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: ping | 02:44 |
| imbrandon | grr | 02:44 |
| nixternal | on the phone with my daughter..it is her b-day | 02:44 |
| imbrandon | ok try again please | 02:44 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: ping | 02:45 |
| imbrandon | ok one last time | 02:45 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: ping | 02:45 |
| imbrandon | darn it | 02:45 |
| nixternal | hahahaha | 02:45 |
| imbrandon | imbrandon??\bping\b??$ | 02:46 |
| imbrandon | that should get triggered | 02:46 |
| imbrandon | i would think | 02:46 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: ping? | 02:46 |
| imbrandon | join #ubuntu-midwest if you have a few minutes to help me get this working | 02:47 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 03:41 |
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| nixternal | who wants to help a python nub | 06:24 |
| Hobbsee | Fetched 147MB in 4m20s (563kB/s) | 06:25 |
| Hobbsee | nice :) | 06:25 |
| === Hobbsee feels slightly traitorous | ||
| nixternal | that is mighty nice | 06:25 |
| Hobbsee | indeed | 06:26 |
| nixternal | how do i add something to my python search path? i have to do some whacky translation stuff and i cna't figure out where to put this stupid file | 06:26 |
| Hobbsee | Fetched 17.7MB in 48s (364kB/s) | 06:28 |
| Hobbsee | not *too* bad - the first was off the au. mirrors, the second is of the gb. ones | 06:28 |
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| Hobbsee | /dev/hda3 ext3 5.5G 4.7G 628M 89% / | 06:38 |
| Hobbsee | sigh. | 06:38 |
| n8k99 | hello | 06:51 |
| Hobbsee | heya | 06:51 |
| Hobbsee | hi Lure | 06:51 |
| Lure | hi Hobbsee | 06:51 |
| n8k99 | i was just doing a little reading - wondering if there is a telepathy equivalent in kde? | 06:52 |
| n8k99 | is that kopete? | 06:52 |
| === Hobbsee reboots to gnome or xfce | ||
| === n8k99 didn't mean to chase all me little friends away | ||
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| Hobbsee | this is scary. | 07:04 |
| Hobbsee | what's the status for apport for kde? | 07:12 |
| Hobbsee | it works nicely in gnome :) | 07:13 |
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| Jucato | Hobbsee!! :) | 07:40 |
| Hobbsee | hey Jucato! | 07:41 |
| Jucato | hi Hobbsee! I totally forgot about memoserv :P | 07:42 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: :D and email | 07:42 |
| Jucato | lol I didn't know your e-mail addy :) | 07:43 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: it's on my LP page. hobbsee@kubuntu.org or hobbsee@ubuntu.com | 07:44 |
| Jucato | ah ok well maybe next time :) | 07:44 |
| Jucato | I'm still not on my PC... :( | 07:44 |
| Hobbsee | :( | 07:45 |
| === Hobbsee is on gnome and xfce, does that count? | ||
| === Jucato is on XP... does that count :P | ||
| Hobbsee | urgh | 07:45 |
| Hobbsee | i'm not sure which is worse | 07:45 |
| === Jucato isn't even in his house... that definitely counts | ||
| Hobbsee | XP hasnt crashed as much as gnome for me :P | 07:45 |
| Jucato | hah. XP really doesn't crash as much if you take good care of it. | 07:46 |
| Hobbsee | true | 07:46 |
| Jucato | and if you're careful with your internet habits, you rarely get infected | 07:46 |
| Jucato | oh.. Happy Birthday KDE!! | 07:47 |
| Jucato | er. just in case I won't be able to connect tomorrow | 07:48 |
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| freeflying | imbrandon arounds? | 08:19 |
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| verwilst | adept updater uses interactive mode when configuring packages | 09:53 |
| verwilst | i had to do show details, and answer a question about flashplayer before it continued | 09:53 |
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| dholbach | heya | 01:13 |
| dholbach | hm, nuku and rockman are not here | 01:14 |
| sebas | dholbach: RockMan is on kde-promo :) | 01:34 |
| sebas | And hi there! | 01:34 |
| dholbach | ahhhh sure | 01:34 |
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| dholbach | you're all partying today! | 01:35 |
| dholbach | congratulations to all of you | 01:35 |
| RockMan | hi | 01:35 |
| dholbach | hey RockMan | 01:35 |
| dholbach | I played with it some more... no luck :/ | 01:35 |
| dholbach | I even changed the version string to make sure I was not on crack | 01:35 |
| RockMan | dholbach: the r2 version? | 01:35 |
| dholbach | I restarted the bluetooth services, removed stale files in /var/lib/bluetooth | 01:36 |
| dholbach | oh, where's the r2 version? | 01:36 |
| RockMan | yup | 01:36 |
| RockMan | check kmobiletools homepage | 01:36 |
| dholbach | checking | 01:36 |
| dholbach | kmobiletools to the rescue! | 01:36 |
| Riddell | kwwii: ping, got any artwork for us? | 01:41 |
| sebas | KDE's official birthday is tomorrow, dholbach :) | 01:42 |
| dholbach | sebas: lalalalala :-) | 01:42 |
| dholbach | HAPPY PARTYING ANYWAY :) | 01:43 |
| _Sime | are there any really nasty bugs in edgy that I should know about before I upgrade my primary machine? anyone? | 01:44 |
| sebas | dholbach: Yeah :) | 01:44 |
| Riddell | _Sime: only that dist-upgrade is a steaming pile of poo for upgrading to edgy with | 01:44 |
| sebas | It's my birthday tomorrow as well, so partypartyparty | 01:44 |
| _Sime | Riddell: what do you mean? | 01:45 |
| sebas | _Sime: It works fine for my workstation, my notebook was a freaking PITA because of ATI drivers | 01:45 |
| Riddell | _Sime: is holds back or uninstalls a bunch of things it should keep | 01:45 |
| Riddell | _Sime: actually it would be interesting to hear a report of using the ubuntu upgrade tool with kubuntu if you want to try that | 01:45 |
| _Sime | Riddell: I'm not familiar with the upgrade tool you speak of. | 01:46 |
| Riddell | _Sime: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades | 01:47 |
| dholbach | RockMan: you ROCK | 01:48 |
| fdoving | any one working on bug 62610 ? | 01:48 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 62610 in adept "impossible to manager repositories" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/62610 | 01:48 |
| RockMan | (o_O) | 01:48 |
| dholbach | RockMan: i'm in a gnome session, so I didn't have kbluetoothd running either | 01:48 |
| Riddell | fdoving: I just uploaded a fix | 01:48 |
| dholbach | RockMan: but /var/log/syslog already showed that the new patch was different - it registered a different passkey agent this time | 01:49 |
| RockMan | good | 01:49 |
| dholbach | RockMan: thanks a lot for your efforts | 01:49 |
| _Sime | Riddell: the tool just calls apt-get? yes? | 01:49 |
| dholbach | RockMan: I'm going to play with it some more | 01:49 |
| RockMan | well, check if it works, at least | 01:49 |
| dholbach | RockMan: I'm browsing my phone at the moment | 01:49 |
| RockMan | ah.. nice :D | 01:49 |
| Riddell | _Sime: no, it uses the python-apt repository and has some special knowledge about what is important to keep and work around during a distro upgrade | 01:50 |
| Riddell | s/repository/library/ | 01:50 |
| dholbach | RockMan: so thanks again | 01:50 |
| RockMan | you're welcome | 01:50 |
| Riddell | dholbach: it's all working? | 01:50 |
| dholbach | Riddell: it looks damn good | 01:51 |
| dholbach | Riddell: we might need something that calls passkey-agent --default /usr/lib/kdebluetooth/kbluepin | 01:51 |
| dholbach | Riddell: yesterday we thought about adding another autostart .desktop file to kdebluetooth - does that sound crackful? | 01:51 |
| Riddell | that sounds fine | 01:52 |
| dholbach | kdebluetooth is sweet - good work on that | 01:52 |
| _Sime | Riddell: ok, but will it work or will I burst into tears? | 01:52 |
| dholbach | Riddell: I'll play with it some more and see if it clashes with the gnome thingie - if not, we should go for it | 01:52 |
| Riddell | _Sime: it's known to work | 01:52 |
| _Sime | Riddell: the only other problem is that I'm doing this via ssh.... and I want to nohup it. | 01:54 |
| Riddell | _Sime: oh, in that case just do apt-get dist-upgrade | 01:54 |
| Riddell | _Sime: but you'll need to do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop afterwards to reinstall all the stuff it didn't want to keep | 01:54 |
| fdoving | Riddell: great thanks :) | 01:54 |
| _Sime | Riddell: ok. I'll use dist-upgrade and then check kubuntu-desktop. | 01:55 |
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| _Sime | here I go. | 02:01 |
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| Riddell | I'm off out for a bit, kwwii if you have that menu artwork please commit that to bzr | 02:10 |
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| Tm_T | Hobbsee: Hi | 02:33 |
| Hobbsee | hey Tm_T | 02:38 |
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| Hobbsee | oh darn it. | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | i cant eat this dinner, stirfry, without a splade or another utensil. | 02:43 |
| === Hobbsee goes back to get one. grr. | ||
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| Tonio__ | hi ;) | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | hey Tonio_! | 02:50 |
| === Hobbsee hugs Tonio_ for sane kubuntu defaults :) | ||
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: hu ? did I change things recently ? | 02:53 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 02:53 |
| Tonio_ | I'm making a point on _Sime's patches.... | 02:53 |
| Tonio_ | there is a big bunch of problems not yet fixed.... | 02:53 |
| Tonio_ | I'd be a bit scarry to release with this in its current state.... | 02:53 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: no. but i tried xfce and gnome. scary stuff. | 02:53 |
| === Hobbsee had a crash within the first 10 min too. | ||
| imbrandon_ | its edgy ;) | 02:54 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, but still | 02:54 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon yes but well.... | 02:54 |
| Tonio_ | bug 65873 | 02:54 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65873 in kdelibs "Konqueror doesn't show the content of CD/Dvds unless "refresh" is pressed in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65873 | 02:54 |
| Tonio_ | confirmed, I have the same issue here | 02:54 |
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| Tonio_ | audio cds don't work | 02:54 |
| Tonio_ | qtparted cannot be used to format a usbkey, since there is no way to simply umount it | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | except eject... | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | that's weird, really ! | 02:55 |
| imbrandon_ | yea but tbh 99% of joe dosent open audio and video in konqueror, they use amarok or kaffeine ;) | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon what if you want to rip it to mp3 ? | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | that's a konqueror killer feature, and now it simply doesn't work | 02:55 |
| imbrandon_ | kaudiocreator | 02:56 |
| imbrandon_ | thats why its installed | 02:56 |
| imbrandon_ | ;) | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon which uses /media/cdrom0 by default (can be changed of course) | 02:56 |
| imbrandon_ | and its rps to many diffrent formats not just mp3 | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | honnestly, when I doubleclick on the desktop's icon and get a "no cd inserted" | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | that gives the feeling of a pre-alpha release... | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | ouch. scary | 02:57 |
| imbrandon_ | Tonio_: i'm not saying it dosent need fixing, i'm just saying its not as critical as its made out to be if you really think about it | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | that probably warrants fixing now | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | in my opinion, if most of those issues are not fixed before edgy is out, we should remove the patches... | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | and discard them for edgy+1 when they get mature enough to be included | 02:57 |
| === Hobbsee wonders what the idea of edgy+1 is | ||
| Tonio_ | imbrandon concerning the desktop cleaning, that's critical | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | since when you had 3 ways to do something you only get one now | 02:58 |
| imbrandon_ | Tonio_: its FAR to late for that, as the normal way hasenbt been tested | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon the normal way has been tested widely with 3.4.4 | 02:58 |
| imbrandon_ | they just need to be fixed, now or with -updates | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | 3.5.4 sorry, and 3.5.5 doesn't change anything | 02:58 |
| imbrandon_ | widely where? not in edgy | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon I don't say I don't want those patches in, but I prefer something working to something that doesn't work | 02:59 |
| imbrandon_ | and thats where it matters to mdz thf. | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon 3.5.4 and edgy were tested 2 month without those patches | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon and this material is in kde for YEARS | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | it has a very few issues (except with non kde apps) | 02:59 |
| imbrandon_ | Tonio_: yes there are rough edges thus edgy, we talked about this when putting them in, thats why dapper is supported for 3 years | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is who can fix the issues, except sime or Riddell | 03:00 |
| imbrandon_ | they are not the only two, and rember there is -updates, i think its very critical that these be fixed not removed | 03:01 |
| imbrandon_ | else they will not ever make it | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon well I can understand edgy is there for testing new things, but is that a reason to include very incomplete stuff ? | 03:01 |
| imbrandon_ | Tonio_: thats the thing its not very incomplete, i just said above if you actualy think about it those are not the "default" way of doing things | 03:02 |
| imbrandon_ | this kaudiocreatror and kaffeine | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | kaudiocreator has the same issue.... | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | points to /media/cdrom0 by default | 03:02 |
| imbrandon_ | they are nice to have and yes need to be fixed but dont warrent removeal | 03:02 |
| Hobbsee | but will they get fixed, though? in time? | 03:03 |
| imbrandon_ | ESPECIALY after RC freeze | 03:03 |
| imbrandon_ | Hobbsee: yes , why wouldent they | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: if the people are around who know how to fix it, yes. wand waving doesnt work. | 03:03 |
| imbrandon_ | Hobbsee: yes and me Riddell and sime are arround daily not counting the others that send patches to sime | 03:04 |
| gnomefreak | there even a @lart about Hobbsee ;) | 03:04 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: indeed. i think you wanted -ops | 03:04 |
| imbrandon_ | i dont see wand waving, i see updates almost daily | 03:04 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: it's #28 | 03:04 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: oh good | 03:04 |
| gnomefreak | lol | 03:05 |
| gnomefreak | yes i did | 03:05 |
| imbrandon_ | all i'm saying is yes there are bugs that need to be fixed Tonio_ but removal sint warented especialy this late in the cycle | 03:05 |
| imbrandon_ | fixes would be much much more preferable | 03:06 |
| imbrandon_ | i mean there are flac regressions and 36+ other bugs in amarok atm but we're not thinking about removing it ;) | 03:07 |
| imbrandon_ | same type of deal, plus if they are in the edgy release more kde developers will help fix them and more of a chance of a stable release for edgy+1 | 03:08 |
| imbrandon_ | trust me i feel the same way about k-s-s , i think in its current state of useability it should be removed and use kcontrol but that isnt the good awnser, the better answer is to fix k-s-s | 03:09 |
| imbrandon_ | Tonio_: the bigest outstanding issues with simes patches are mounting issues correct > | 03:20 |
| imbrandon_ | ? | 03:20 |
| imbrandon_ | or just mounting audio/video ? | 03:20 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 03:36 |
| Hobbsee | heya | 03:36 |
| bddebian | Hi Hobbsee | 03:37 |
| imbrandon_ | heya bddebian | 03:38 |
| bddebian | Hi imbrandon | 03:38 |
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| windshear | hello | 03:40 |
| windshear | anyone has a floppy drive and is using KDE 3.5.5 | 03:40 |
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| Tonio_ | imbrandon the issue is with audio cds only | 03:48 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon I tried to give a look but that's far to complicated for me.... | 03:48 |
| Tonio_ | if that is resolved, and the 'impossible to umount easilly' | 03:49 |
| Tonio_ | that would probably be by far more usable | 03:49 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon don't get me wrong, I don't criticize the job at all | 03:49 |
| Tonio_ | it resolves lots of issues and is incredibly promissing | 03:49 |
| imbrandon_ | Tonio_: oh i know | 03:49 |
| Tonio_ | just that according to me, that's alpha state, not even beta | 03:50 |
| imbrandon_ | heh | 03:50 |
| imbrandon_ | brb rebooting | 03:50 |
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| Hobbsee | hey el! | 03:54 |
| el | hey Hobbsee :) | 03:55 |
| el | hey all :) | 03:55 |
| === Hobbsee saw something yesterday that would make el die of horror. | ||
| Hobbsee | unfortunately i cant show you it :( | 03:55 |
| el | Hobbsee, uhhh... what was it? | 03:55 |
| === el doesn't want to die yet! | ||
| Hobbsee | el: hehe | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | el: road and traffic authority here. i was applying for an etag. multiple screens, previous on the left, next on the right, at the bottom. fine. | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | at the last screen: previous on the top right, bottom right (where next had been for the last 7 screens), and next on the far far left. | 03:56 |
| el | eeeek! | 03:58 |
| Hobbsee | el: indeed! | 03:59 |
| Hobbsee | el: of course, the best bit then would have been that if you hit previous, it would have wiped the entire form. | 03:59 |
| Hobbsee | fortunately, it wasnt like that, else i would have gone and yelled at said rta for being idiots. | 04:00 |
| el | Hobbsee, hehe - that would have been evil ;-) | 04:00 |
| el | haha | 04:00 |
| el | :) | 04:00 |
| el | but did yu tell them, Hobbsee ? | 04:00 |
| Hobbsee | el: i didnt. i try to stay away from them as much as possible. | 04:01 |
| el | heh | 04:01 |
| dholbach | hey el! | 04:02 |
| === el just tested a sap system for 2 days. that made me cry.... | ||
| el | dholbach, huhu! | 04:02 |
| === dholbach hugs and comforts el | ||
| dholbach | sap ... *whine* | 04:02 |
| el | *smile* | 04:02 |
| el | dholbach, jupp. you really wonder what the 50+ usability specialists do there | 04:02 |
| dholbach | el: are you partying with the kde guys too? | 04:02 |
| dholbach | hehe :) | 04:03 |
| el | dholbach, no - had to work in the morning. couldn't go to stuttgart | 04:03 |
| Hobbsee | hey dholbach! you've come to the dark side? | 04:03 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: I'm looking at the kbluepin issue.... | 04:03 |
| dholbach | Hobbsee: not really ;-) | 04:04 |
| kwwii | I think he got tired of dealing with artwork problems :p | 04:04 |
| dholbach | Tonio_: RockMan has figured it out | 04:04 |
| dholbach | Tonio_: his patch is fine | 04:04 |
| Hobbsee | dholbach: heh | 04:04 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: *g* | 04:04 |
| el | huhu kwwii | 04:04 |
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| el | juhu! | 04:04 |
| kwwii | lol, thanks Hobbsee | 04:04 |
| Tm_T | :) | 04:04 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: ah ? resolved then ? | 04:04 |
| el | and huhu Tonio_ :) | 04:05 |
| Tonio_ | hey el :) | 04:05 |
| Tm_T | Hmm, looks like kxdocker is pretty broken. | 04:05 |
| dholbach | kwwii: seb128 behaved bad - I punish him with chatting to the kde folks instead | 04:05 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: that just needs uploading then ? | 04:05 |
| kwwii | dholbach: does he chat with an accent too? (lol) | 04:05 |
| dholbach | kwwii: who? accent? ;-) | 04:06 |
| dholbach | Tonio_: it could do with some testing - I'll add an autostart thingie to kdebluetooth - it'd be nice if somebody could test that in a native kde environment | 04:06 |
| dholbach | Tonio_: can I ping you, when I have it ready? | 04:06 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: sure | 04:06 |
| dholbach | Tonio_: you rock! | 04:06 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: kdebluetooth already autostarts | 04:06 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: but the icon is hidden by default ;) | 04:06 |
| dholbach | Tonio_: it'll get another autostart thingie | 04:07 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: ah, okay | 04:07 |
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| Tonio_ | bluetooth on kde is nasty anyway.... I hope kde4 will resolve this... | 04:08 |
| dholbach | it works quite well | 04:08 |
| dholbach | and I like the obex thingie in konqueror | 04:08 |
| dholbach | there's a gnomevfs module for nautilus, but it's not official | 04:08 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: yes but compare it to how it works on OSX or windows.... linux interfaces for bluetooth are far from that | 04:14 |
| dholbach | edgy+1! ;-) | 04:15 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: what did RockMan do ? | 04:15 |
| dholbach | kmobiletools.org/node/228 | 04:15 |
| nuku | well actually file transfer to bt devices is better than under windows imho :) | 04:15 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: used the kmobilephone patch ? | 04:15 |
| dholbach | yeah | 04:15 |
| Tonio_ | okay yeah I just found it, looks like the only solution before someone writes a kde passkey-agent | 04:16 |
| === Tonio_ really has to learn coding :( | ||
| Tonio_ | python is on the way though :) | 04:16 |
| nuku | Tonio_: right.. some suse guys patched it in a kdebluetooth fork | 04:16 |
| === Hobbsee too | ||
| === Hobbsee only knows basic c++. shame. | ||
| nuku | Tonio_: yep i think python would be sufficient for the passkey agent.. | 04:17 |
| Tonio_ | nuku: interesting, but did they used that kmobiletools or did they do a real passkey-agent ? | 04:17 |
| nuku | actually there its just some dbus stuff to take care of .. | 04:17 |
| Tonio_ | nuku: yeah but I'm a very young python coder :) gimme a few month | 04:17 |
| nuku | Tonio_: they build dbus support into kdebluetooth.. haven't tried it yet but thats the way to go | 04:17 |
| Tonio_ | nuku: hum, pretty interesting | 04:18 |
| nuku | as bluez uses dbus now | 04:18 |
| Tonio_ | nuku: svn available ? | 04:18 |
| nuku | yep.. its in kde svn.. hold on | 04:18 |
| Tonio_ | nuku: testing | 04:18 |
| nuku | http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/kdebluetooth-dbus-integration/ | 04:18 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: did we test this too ? | 04:18 |
| dholbach | no, I didn't want to introduce too much new code | 04:19 |
| Tonio_ | nuku: I'm doing a test package | 04:19 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: I understand yes, but maybe if that's mature enough..... | 04:19 |
| dholbach | imho that's edgy+1 stuff. I doubt you get it past the release team | 04:19 |
| dholbach | but try | 04:19 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: well, uploads that resolve milestone bugs are encouraged afaik ;) | 04:20 |
| dholbach | the stuff I'm doing was supposed to do that | 04:20 |
| nuku | Tonio_: well it's not just a simple patch to kdebluetooth i guess :) | 04:20 |
| dholbach | but try ;) | 04:21 |
| Tonio_ | nuku: I'll diff :) | 04:21 |
| nuku | hehe i bet you need diffstat to see the impact :) | 04:22 |
| Tonio_ | nuku: yeah there are big differences indeed :) | 04:22 |
| nuku | and i think its not yet ment to be released.. | 04:23 |
| nuku | RockMan told that it will go into the next suse release... | 04:23 |
| nuku | but don't know if that 10.2 or later :) | 04:24 |
| nuku | i guess having some simple python passkey agent would be the way to go in short terms :) | 04:26 |
| nuku | still this "hack" for passkey+kbluepin works for the moment | 04:27 |
| dholbach | Tonio_: can you try http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/bluez-utils.debdiff and http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/kdebluetooth.debdiff ? | 04:27 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: yes, gimme a moment and I'll feedback | 04:28 |
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| dholbach | el: so where's the party going to be tonight? :) | 04:28 |
| dholbach | el: and what about the edgy berlin release party? | 04:29 |
| el | dholbach, edgy release in berlin sounds great | 04:29 |
| el | dholbach, @ your home again? | 04:29 |
| dholbach | el: I'm not quite sure yet | 04:30 |
| el | dholbach, balcony won't work this time of the year | 04:30 |
| dholbach | el: I can imagine having to throw out the CCC people at 7 in the morning again ;) | 04:30 |
| nuku | a party in berlin would be nice :) | 04:30 |
| dholbach | nuku: you're in Berlin too? | 04:30 |
| nuku | yes :) | 04:30 |
| dholbach | man, I didn't know! | 04:30 |
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| dholbach | nuku, el: so you two are going to do a KDE Birthday Berlin party? :-) | 04:32 |
| el | dholbach, no kde birthday in B | 04:33 |
| === el is going to play ping pong now | ||
| el | laters! | 04:33 |
| kwwii | ciao el | 04:33 |
| DaSkreech | Cannon smash? | 04:33 |
| dholbach | el: enjoy it | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: building | 04:35 |
| dholbach | super | 04:35 |
| dholbach | Tonio_: it'd be super interesting to see if, when you restart the session, it will start the passkey thingie too | 04:36 |
| Tonio_ | nuku: tried the svn stuff, but it is not complete actually.... misses doc informations, translations etc..... hard do package this and get it accept.... that'll be for edgy+1 I presume :) | 04:36 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: yeah, I'll test this | 04:36 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: how did you do the autostart stuff ? | 04:36 |
| dholbach | Tonio_: add an autostart file and installed it :) | 04:36 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: yeah but which autostart folder did you use ? gnome and kde folders are different :) | 04:37 |
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| dholbach | /usr/share/autostart | 04:37 |
| dholbach | where the other one is | 04:37 |
| Tonio_ | yes, I looked at the changes and it looks good | 04:39 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, i just got a chance to try the new kde-guidance-powermanager on my laptop ( i'm on it right now ) all looks good ( even though this test is about a day late heheh ) | 04:43 |
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| nuku | Tonio_: yes i was thinking so.. it's still in an early development stage i guess.. | 04:48 |
| Tonio_ | nuku: true that | 04:48 |
| nuku | well at least the proposed patch should work for now.. better than broken bluetooth support :) | 04:50 |
| hunger | Anyone got an idea how to stop kde-guidance-powermanager from offering hibernation? | 04:52 |
| Riddell | thanks imbrandon | 04:53 |
| nuku | hmm shouldn't the .desktop in kdebluetooth have an "OnlyShowIn=KDE;"? | 04:53 |
| Tonio_ | nuku: doesn't produce any icon afaik | 04:53 |
| Riddell | nuku: why? | 04:53 |
| Tonio_ | and gnome doesn't autostart /usr/share/autostart things | 04:54 |
| nuku | oh ok i thought gnome would use ../autostart too.. | 04:54 |
| nuku | ok | 04:54 |
| Tonio_ | kdebluetooth build takes a while... | 04:54 |
| dholbach | Tonio_: yep | 04:54 |
| dholbach | ahhh, mine is finishing :-D | 04:54 |
| Tonio_ | I should buy a dualcore :) | 04:55 |
| dholbach | i don't have one either | 04:55 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, hehe yea me too | 04:55 |
| DaSkreech | Quadcore coming out soon :) | 04:55 |
| Riddell | sebas: did you get the summit invite? | 04:55 |
| Tonio_ | well my GF's laptop is dying so I'll probaly give her my vaio and buy another one by christmas :) | 04:56 |
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| imbrandon | good means dualcore will drop in price | 04:56 |
| DaSkreech | Yup yup :-) | 04:57 |
| imbrandon | i just got my plane tickets yesterday, i have to leave home at 3AM !?! | 04:57 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: It'll take 17 hours for me :) | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | paris -> atlanta -> SF | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | I'll probably stay awake for 2 days to be sure to sleep correctly | 04:58 |
| imbrandon | wow, mine is 2 hours of actual flight but there is a layover and time diffrence so i wont arrive till 10am | 04:58 |
| imbrandon | but i leave at 6am | 04:58 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: how long do you have to change at atlanta? you might have to re-check in completely depending on their mood | 04:58 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, heh | 04:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: 1h30 | 04:58 |
| imbrandon | Kansas City --> Denver --> San Fran | 04:59 |
| imbrandon | ouch not much time | 04:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well there is a direct fly, but it costs twice as much so.... | 04:59 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: well to go back to paris I have only 30 minutes ;) | 04:59 |
| Tonio_ | I'm wondering if that's enough.... | 05:00 |
| imbrandon | wow i have a 2 hour change at denver , i'm not sure if that was enough, but 30 minutes !?! | 05:01 |
| imbrandon | depends on what gates and if they make you re-checkin | 05:01 |
| imbrandon | thats one reason i am leaving in the morning so if i get delayed I'll still make it on time | 05:02 |
| imbrandon | s/on time/by the evening | 05:02 |
| Tonio_ | San Francisco (SFO) 11:40 -> Cincinnati 19:00 | 05:02 |
| Tonio_ | then Cincinnati 19:30 -> paris 09:50 | 05:02 |
| Tonio_ | that looks like dangerous | 05:02 |
| imbrandon | heh | 05:03 |
| Tonio_ | I'll have to be very quick :) | 05:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: since you travel a lot, do you think that's possible ? | 05:04 |
| Riddell | entirely depends on the mood of the airport | 05:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yeah.... | 05:04 |
| Riddell | but it sounds risky | 05:04 |
| DaSkreech | and wether or not you have a beard and turban | 05:05 |
| imbrandon | just hope the terror alert dosent raise that day | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: hehe indeed :) | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: restarting kde | 05:06 |
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| Tonio_ | tonio 23673 0.0 0.0 1864 628 ? S 17:07 0:00 /usr/bin/passkey-agent --default /usr/lib/kdebluetooth/kbluepin | 05:08 |
| Tonio_ | autostart works.... let's test the pin stuff | 05:08 |
| imbrandon | wow konq seems ALOT faster lately | 05:08 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: all works ! | 05:09 |
| dholbach | Tonio_: YOU ROCK! | 05:09 |
| dholbach | *HAPPY* | 05:09 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: you rock ! ;) I only tested | 05:09 |
| dholbach | Riddell: please check http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/bluez-utils.debdiff and http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/kdebluetooth.debdiff | 05:09 |
| dholbach | Riddell: once you're sufficiently happy, I'll ask Tollef for approval | 05:10 |
| Riddell | looks good to me, in so far as I know nothing about bluetooth :) | 05:11 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: to load ? | 05:11 |
| Riddell | dholbach: I'd remove the commented out lines from kbluepin.autostart.desktop | 05:12 |
| dholbach | Riddell: easy enough to do | 05:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well I tested the patches deeply, and I can confirm the issues are resolved, that's the point :) | 05:12 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, running / surfing | 05:12 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: yeah, but running as a trick since I configured kds to preload one konqueror instance :) | 05:12 |
| Tonio_ | but to surf, yes, the performances are impressive, nothing to do with firefox | 05:13 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 05:13 |
| dholbach | Riddell: updated | 05:13 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: just the web compatibility, but that'll have to wait for webkit... kde4 | 05:14 |
| Riddell | dholbach: upload it! | 05:14 |
| dholbach | Riddell: rock on | 05:14 |
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| Mez | Riddell: ping | 05:15 |
| Riddell | hi Mez | 05:16 |
| Mez | Riddell: do you have any boxes of Kubuntu CDs left? | 05:17 |
| Mez | I need some - the darn things are going like hotcakes | 05:18 |
| Riddell | I do but I'd rather not spend my money on the postage, use shipit | 05:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll try to polish and finish the ark code today and get them in svn... | 05:18 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: good plan | 05:18 |
| Mez | Riddell: I'll happily paypal you the money for postage... | 05:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: too late for edgy, for edgy is about over for me, there is no much thing I can do now since there are no milestone bugs than concern my work | 05:19 |
| Mez | Riddell: plus shipit will take wayy too long | 05:19 |
| Tonio_ | so let's anticipate edgy+1 and come to uds with ready to work stuff :) | 05:19 |
| === Hobbsee is startign to wonder what the edgy+1 goals are.. | ||
| === Tonio_ congrats dholbach for his first pure kubuntu contribution :) | ||
| Riddell | now we have to fix gnome bugs in return | 05:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: true ! | 05:20 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: whatever you want them to be | 05:21 |
| dholbach | Tonio_: i hope we'll be able to remove that hack soon in edgy+1 again ;) | 05:21 |
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| Tonio_ | dholbach: well I bookmarked the suse svn stuff... maybe in 3.5.6 with any chance... | 05:21 |
| dholbach | I sure hope so | 05:22 |
| Tonio_ | http://www.fnac.com/Shelf/article.asp?PRID=1895811&Mn=3&SID=&TTL=&Origin=FnacAff&Ra=-50&To=0&Nu=2&UID=&Fr=0 | 05:22 |
| === Tonio_ is completly amazed how cheep laptops can be nowadays | ||
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, they havent really been set yet, thats to be decided between now and the end of UDS ;) | 05:23 |
| Hobbsee | so it seems | 05:23 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: indeed :) | 05:23 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: heh, right. | 05:23 |
| Sime | I'll back and still running. whoohoo! | 05:24 |
| Tonio_ | is 386 version of ubuntu installable on an amd64 ? | 05:24 |
| Tonio_ | I never used a 64 bit processor (outside of servers...) | 05:24 |
| Tonio_ | I know winXP 32 bits works, so I assume yes, but I'd like to be sure | 05:25 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, yes | 05:26 |
| Tonio_ | Sime: hey :) | 05:26 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, i386 works perfect on a amd64 | 05:26 |
| Tonio_ | Sime: will you have time today so that we can check my audiocd issue ? ;) | 05:26 |
| Tonio_ | I'll be there this time :) | 05:26 |
| imbrandon | ( you just cant run 64bit apps ) | 05:26 |
| imbrandon | heya Sime | 05:26 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: yeah of course, but looks interesting to install both in fact | 05:27 |
| Sime | Tonio_: I've actually gotta go do some cleaning... (honest) | 05:27 |
| Tonio_ | Sime: okay no pb, just ping me when you can | 05:27 |
| Tonio_ | Sime: I was confirmed it doesn't work on 3.5.5 edgy, so | 05:28 |
| Tonio_ | 1/ I didn't port the patch correctly | 05:28 |
| Tonio_ | 2/ there is a little change in 3.5.5 that cause the issue | 05:28 |
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| bobesponja | hey all | 05:32 |
| bobesponja | I'm using edgy and when I use konqueror, it displays little square where there should be a ' | 05:33 |
| bobesponja | any idea how to fix this? | 05:34 |
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| nixternal | imbrandon: ever since switching over to the -generic kernel, i get these apic errors like i got with the k7 kernel and they lock up the machine | 05:51 |
| nixternal | [17179742.292000] APIC error on CPU0: 01(01) | 05:51 |
| Mez | Riddell: pinh | 05:53 |
| Mez | ping * | 05:53 |
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| Riddell | Mez: hmm? | 05:54 |
| Mez | Riddell: when you were making up the o2display for katapult, you made a way to use the images without using qembed ... do you still have that code lying around ? | 05:54 |
| Riddell | no, although I expect it would be the normal way of using a qpixmap | 05:56 |
| Mez | hmm - cause we're thinking of dropping qembed for 0.4 | 05:57 |
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| Mez | Riddell: do you have much experience with KConfigXT ? | 05:57 |
| Riddell | no | 05:58 |
| Mez | darnit... people seem to want katapult to use it... but rewriting the GUI etc etc is a PITA due to loading dynamic modules | 05:58 |
| Riddell | but you should think about porting to qt/kde 4 soon | 05:58 |
| Mez | Riddell: yeah - thats what I was thinking ... dont know what the best way to go about that is | 05:58 |
| Mez | Riddell: do you think we should port 0.3.x ? or just 0.4? | 05:59 |
| Riddell | why would you port an old version? | 05:59 |
| Mez | because we're not too sure if 0.4 is going to be released soon | 06:00 |
| Mez | and of course, we want a version to work with KDE 4.0 | 06:00 |
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| DaSkreech | Hi Mez | 06:19 |
| DaSkreech | Hi raphink | 06:20 |
| Mez | hi DaSkreech | 06:21 |
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| DaSkreech | Is the new katapult shipping wit the spell module? | 06:22 |
| Mez | it will be ;) | 06:23 |
| Mez | if not grab and compile from source ;) | 06:23 |
| Mez | you can even compile 0.4-bzr from source if you want | 06:24 |
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| Mez | DaSkreech, you might just want to grab it from source - it's the same as 0.3.x atm, however, it's now multi-threaded | 06:26 |
| DaSkreech | Why would multithreaded be useful with the number of catalogs tht we have now? | 06:26 |
| Mez | because the catalogs update in their own thread now | 06:29 |
| fdoving | does it support executing real commands? | 06:30 |
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| fdoving | like a alt+f2 replacement? | 06:30 |
| Mez | atm: no - it's a planned feature | 06:31 |
| Mez | atm it only runs stuff that is in the desktop | 06:31 |
| Mez | actually thats a feature I can build now | 06:31 |
| fdoving | nice :) | 06:31 |
| fdoving | then i can start using it too. :) | 06:31 |
| Mez | when it allows you to run arbitary commands ? | 06:32 |
| DaSkreech | can it detect a CLI app and open it in konsole? :-) | 06:34 |
| DaSkreech | Mez: ! wait it can update catalogs dynamically now? | 06:35 |
| Mez | DaSkreech, it basically calls anything from your K Menu | 06:36 |
| Mez | DaSkreech, I believe so | 06:36 |
| fdoving | Mez: correct, when i can run what i want, not just .desktop files :) | 06:36 |
| DaSkreech | Right. So if I install something I don't have to restart katapult? | 06:36 |
| Mez | you SHOULDNT | 06:36 |
| DaSkreech | fdoving: You know that technically you can write a catalog that would do that? :) | 06:36 |
| DaSkreech | Like a kio slave catalog | 06:36 |
| Mez | I know it re-indexes on the close of the configure screen at least | 06:37 |
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| DaSkreech | Mez: :) | 06:37 |
| fdoving | DaSkreech: it's better if mez do that :) | 06:37 |
| Mez | fdoving: why not you do it - it's a simple job | 06:37 |
| DaSkreech | Mez: See? Your job is to have Developer docs done up :) | 06:37 |
| fdoving | Mez: so it's that simple? | 06:38 |
| Mez | fdoving: well - it's pretty much making the program catalog match anything and execute it. .. | 06:38 |
| gnomefreak | up until you run into errors its real simple | 06:38 |
| Mez | actually it might not be a good idea... | 06:38 |
| Mez | Hmm... it might not be as simple as I thought. .. | 06:39 |
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| DaSkreech | Don't you have a kio slave want ad on the wiki? | 06:39 |
| Mez | DaSkreech, probably | 06:39 |
| DaSkreech | http://wiki.thekatapult.org.uk/Google_search | 06:39 |
| Mez | thinking about it fdoving/ DaSkreech, it wouldnt be that simple - as it would be a prequisite to have the catalog ordering first | 06:39 |
| DaSkreech | Well couldn't that be a user setting with some preconcieved default? | 06:40 |
| Mez | DaSkreech, we'd still need to code in the catalog priority stuff first | 06:41 |
| Mez | because the way the catalogs match at the moment are a little... random | 06:41 |
| DaSkreech | Oh catalogs don't have priority now? | 06:41 |
| DaSkreech | I thought htey did | 06:41 |
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| raphink | hi DaSkreech | 06:43 |
| DaSkreech | Are you associated with Icthux ? | 06:44 |
| raphink | yes, I'm the creator | 06:44 |
| Mez | anyone want to code catalog priority ? | 06:44 |
| DaSkreech | raphink: What was the intent? | 06:45 |
| DaSkreech | Mez: Whats the requirements? | 06:47 |
| Mez | DaSkreech, that each catalog has a priority, it will search each catalog in rank until it finds one that matches | 06:49 |
| DaSkreech | Mez how does it do it now? | 06:49 |
| Mez | for example, checks programcatalog, if no match, then file catalog etc etc | 06:49 |
| Mez | DaSkreech, all of them return and it then picks a random thing | 06:49 |
| Mez | hence the bug | 06:49 |
| Mez | bug 33712 | 06:50 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 33712 in eog "[Dapper] some icons are blurry" [Unknown,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/33712 | 06:50 |
| Mez | bug 37712 * | 06:50 |
| DaSkreech | That doesn't seem related at all :) | 06:50 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 37712 in katapult "katapult prefers bookmark instead of binary" [High,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/37712 | 06:50 |
| DaSkreech | Ah Right | 06:50 |
| DaSkreech | That is annoying | 06:51 |
| raphink | how do you mean DaSkreech? | 06:51 |
| DaSkreech | raphink: Is it an independent Distro or is it Ubuntu Khrisitan Edition? | 06:51 |
| raphink | it's included in Ubuntu now DaSkreech | 06:51 |
| raphink | but it's not officially supported by Canonical | 06:52 |
| raphink | our packages are in Universe | 06:52 |
| DaSkreech | raphink: Well Yeah :) but does it have it's own agenda or does it track Ubuntu Chrisitan Edition? | 06:52 |
| DaSkreech | Mez: So something simple like an up and down arrow beside catalogs? | 06:52 |
| raphink | Ubuntu Christian Edition has nothing to do with Ubuntu | 06:52 |
| raphink | it is not even a distro | 06:53 |
| raphink | it doesn't make packages | 06:53 |
| raphink | has no release schedule | 06:53 |
| Mez | DaSkreech, something like that | 06:53 |
| Mez | but the codes gotta work too | 06:53 |
| DaSkreech | Mez: Ha ha :) Damnit Almost got away with it | 06:53 |
| DaSkreech | raphink: Whats the advantages of Icthux over UCE? | 06:54 |
| Riddell | it's not brown | 06:54 |
| raphink | DaSkreech: that it's a real distro? with real packages, a real schedule, and maintained by real developers, including quite a lot of Ubuntu and Debian devs | 06:55 |
| raphink | DaSkreech: also that it's genuine open-source | 06:55 |
| raphink | we don't include proprietary contents as they do | 06:55 |
| raphink | or even non-licensed ones | 06:55 |
| DaSkreech | Sorry I oly followed like two releases what propieatry are they using? | 06:55 |
| raphink | we respect the DFSG | 06:55 |
| DaSkreech | the Filter? | 06:55 |
| raphink | the firefox theme | 06:55 |
| raphink | and wallpapers | 06:55 |
| raphink | at least | 06:55 |
| raphink | as for the way it works | 06:56 |
| raphink | Ubuntu CE uses scripts as Automatix | 06:56 |
| raphink | which is against the way Ubuntu does it | 06:56 |
| raphink | Ichthux uses metapackages | 06:56 |
| raphink | as Kubuntu/Xubuntu/Edubuntu | 06:56 |
| raphink | DaSkreech: do you need more reasons? | 06:58 |
| raphink | DaSkreech: of course, Ubuntu CE evolves faster, cause making scripts is faster than creating a real distro | 06:58 |
| DaSkreech | Well the only thing I really cared about was that it wasn't tracking UCE | 06:58 |
| DaSkreech | but it seems to be in good hands | 06:58 |
| raphink | don't worry ;) | 06:59 |
| DaSkreech | Go forward! :) | 06:59 |
| raphink | I've been working on Ichthux for more than a year | 06:59 |
| raphink | and we are Ubuntu core-devs, MOTUs and Debian developers | 06:59 |
| raphink | working on it | 06:59 |
| raphink | :) | 06:59 |
| DaSkreech | Oh! Well congrats then you have acheived what many set out to do and failed :0 | 06:59 |
| DaSkreech | ;-) | 06:59 |
| raphink | :) | 06:59 |
| raphink | yes :) | 06:59 |
| raphink | synrg posted about it | 06:59 |
| raphink | DaSkreech: you can read http://syn.theti.ca/articles/2006/09/13/ichthux-a-joint-debian-ubuntu-project | 07:00 |
| DaSkreech | Wehre? | 07:00 |
| DaSkreech | ok :) | 07:00 |
| raphink | and http://syn.theti.ca/articles/2006/10/06/ichthux-and-ubuntu-ce-why-two-projects | 07:00 |
| DaSkreech | I get 404 | 07:00 |
| raphink | works fine here | 07:01 |
| raphink | hope | 07:03 |
| raphink | I'm gone :) | 07:03 |
| raphink | DaSkreech: feel free to come on #ichthux if you want more infos sometime :) | 07:03 |
| raphink | or #ichthux-devel | 07:03 |
| Mez | so, DaSkreech, want to ? | 07:04 |
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| DaSkreech | I'll lookit the code to see how inviting it is | 07:05 |
| DaSkreech | But I have to run right now | 07:05 |
| DaSkreech | Where's the repo I'll pull it while I'm out | 07:06 |
| Mez | http://launchpad.net/products/katapult/+branches/dev | 07:08 |
| Mez | sorryt | 07:08 |
| Mez | https://launchpad.net/people/katapult-dev/+branch/katapult/dev | 07:08 |
| Mez | anyone here have SVN access? | 07:15 |
| Riddell | yes | 07:15 |
| Riddell | assuming you mean kde | 07:15 |
| Mez | Riddell: fancy pushing up the katapult code so I can announce a string freeze (my PC with my SSH key isnt connected to the net yet) | 07:16 |
| Riddell | if you give me a diff | 07:16 |
| Mez | Riddell: will do | 07:16 |
| Mez | Riddell: out of curiostiy - why did you add the FDL licence to SVN? I thought I got rid of the FDL stuff | 07:17 |
| Riddell | KDE docs are under FDL, the licence needs to be included | 07:17 |
| Mez | have debian accepted the FDL now ? | 07:18 |
| Riddell | yes | 07:18 |
| Mez | ah, fair enough | 07:18 |
| Mez | una momenta, just bumping version numbers | 07:22 |
| Mez | Riddell... why does svn revert not work | 07:26 |
| Riddell | I've never used it | 07:26 |
| kwwii | Riddell: one question: do I have to rename the package back to "ubuntu" before I commit and rebuild? | 07:30 |
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| Mez | Riddell: http://tiber.tauware.de/~mez/katapult.diff | 07:31 |
| Riddell | kwwii: no | 07:31 |
| Riddell | kwwii: you also don't need to build it, unless you want to test the package | 07:32 |
| kwwii | Riddell: forget that, it works now...I screwed up | 07:33 |
| kwwii | Riddell: two pics added to bzr | 07:33 |
| kwwii | well, not added, changed | 07:33 |
| Mez | Riddell: hopefully that'll let me know via #katapult when you commit it | 07:34 |
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| Riddell | hmm? | 07:49 |
| Mez | My name is spelt "Meredith" | 07:50 |
| Riddell | close enough | 07:50 |
| Mez | not for me ;) | 07:51 |
| dholbach | Mez: we're doing a release! not posing for a beauty contests! | 07:52 |
| dholbach | :-P | 07:52 |
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| Mez | and now I'm immortalised in KDE's logs with a misspelt name | 07:53 |
| Mez | dholbach, wouldnt you complain if you were called "Daniel Holeback" ? | 07:54 |
| dholbach | Mez: you don't want to know how often they spell me 'Holback' | 07:54 |
| Mez | ;) | 07:54 |
| Mez | and I bet you dont like it ;) | 07:54 |
| dholbach | or after i got my holba.ch domain, I'm "Daniel Holba" | 07:54 |
| Mez | lol | 07:55 |
| dholbach | pffft, I normally have more urgent matters to cope with :) | 07:55 |
| Mez | ;) atm I dont ;) cause I have no net | 07:56 |
| dholbach | ... | 07:56 |
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| dholbach | see you! | 07:56 |
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| rick_ | there's a major problem with cups, I follow a tip, on the bug pad page, to fix the setup a new printer issue.. and now printer setting keeps crashing | 08:05 |
| rick_ | hello | 08:07 |
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| oslo | hi i'm updating from dapper to edgy right now | 08:28 |
| oslo | i see there is 25 package remaining *upgradable* and i notice that "xorg" package wasn't install, is it alright for i reeboot ?? | 08:29 |
| oslo | here the 25's http://paste-bin.com/942 | 08:32 |
| Mez | oslo, you done a dist-upgrade ? | 08:33 |
| oslo | yes | 08:34 |
| oslo | update upgrade dist-upgrade, in each order | 08:34 |
| Mez | dselect-upgrade | 08:35 |
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| oslo | Mez"> sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade" ??? | 08:36 |
| Mez | ;) | 08:38 |
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| oslo | Mez> its better now only 6 left :p | 08:41 |
| rick_ | cups please | 08:41 |
| Mez | now try the other 2 again | 08:41 |
| oslo | already tried, 2 after update upgrade dist-upgrade & then dist-upgrade | 08:42 |
| Mez | what packages lefT? | 08:43 |
| oslo | http://paste-bin.com/944 | 08:43 |
| oslo | Mez. | 08:45 |
| Mez | not too sure about the python stuff | 08:45 |
| Mez | but the x thing is just a meta-package | 08:45 |
| oslo | so u think i can reboot ? | 08:45 |
| oslo | and i ll be on edgy ? | 08:46 |
| oslo | all dis done for that ? | 08:46 |
| Mez | I cant promise - but more than likely (maybe with a couple of broken python things) | 08:46 |
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| oslo | k | 08:48 |
| oslo | when i apt-get update have some key problems http://paste-bin.com/945 may it's because of that | 08:49 |
| oslo | "GPG error: http://kubuntu.org dapper Release" | 08:50 |
| oslo | ho dapper | 08:50 |
| oslo | so im trying rebooting | 08:50 |
| oslo | i'm cossing my fingers .... | 08:51 |
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| Sime | Tonio_: did you patch for the icon/detail view icons make it into edgy??? | 08:58 |
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| Mez | i think we killed oslo | 09:21 |
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| oslo | i sucessed to boot | 09:29 |
| oslo | it was hard | 09:29 |
| oslo | i'm on my old kernel but on edgy, so time for lunch it exaushted me | 09:30 |
| oslo | ':) | 09:30 |
| kwwii | who wants to test a kmenu? | 09:35 |
| DaSkreech | Kickoff? :) | 09:38 |
| kwwii | DaSkreech: no, just a pic for the side bar | 09:40 |
| DaSkreech | There's a sidebar? | 09:41 |
| DaSkreech | Oh right I turned that off I think | 09:41 |
| kwwii | hehe | 09:41 |
| nuku | is there a kickoff for kubuntu yet? | 09:44 |
| DaSkreech | Yes. Easily installable .. .not that I know of | 09:45 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/kmenu_snap.png | 09:46 |
| nuku | well i compiled it but it has various suse specific stuff in it and i was to lazy to patch this all out .. like icons and yast stuff.. | 09:46 |
| DaSkreech | kwwii: Well done. Let me go turn min ebak on | 09:49 |
| kwwii | DaSkreech: well, you need to get both pics (I just commited them to bzr) | 09:54 |
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| ryanakca | kwwii: sure | 10:02 |
| ryanakca | kwwii: how do I test it? | 10:03 |
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| kwwii | ryanakca: let me put the newest version on my server...the only way to test it is to either build the whole k-d-s package or simply copy two pics over the default ones in /usr/share/apps/kicker/pics/ | 10:04 |
| ryanakca | I'll do the later... the former looks like too much work.. and CPU time :) | 10:05 |
| kwwii | ;-) | 10:05 |
| ryanakca | got a link? | 10:06 |
| ryanakca | or wait... it's in k-d-s? | 10:06 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: heliocastro is happy to look at ark stuff | 10:09 |
| kwwii | ryanakca: yepp | 10:10 |
| DaSkreech | kwwii: ! | 10:10 |
| DaSkreech | I remember what I wanted to bug you about now | 10:11 |
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| ryanakca | kwwii: kk | 10:11 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: ask him to do a logo for akademy 2007 | 10:11 |
| DaSkreech | Do a logo for akademy 2008 | 10:11 |
| DaSkreech | no wit | 10:11 |
| DaSkreech | 2007 :) | 10:11 |
| kwwii | I promise I will do it for 2008 | 10:11 |
| kwwii | if you can still find me | 10:12 |
| DaSkreech | Heehee | 10:13 |
| DaSkreech | can't the usplash show the startup messages? | 10:13 |
| DaSkreech | or can we have one that shows it? | 10:13 |
| DaSkreech | If not by default? | 10:13 |
| DaSkreech | It's very very distracting | 10:13 |
| kwwii | hehe | 10:15 |
| kwwii | I think it still can someehow | 10:16 |
| kwwii | no idea, really | 10:16 |
| kwwii | the whole point this time was to get away from them | 10:16 |
| DaSkreech | Well yes but it's teriibly distracting | 10:17 |
| DaSkreech | I can understand having it as a default | 10:17 |
| DaSkreech | it makes Windows users toes feel toasty | 10:17 |
| DaSkreech | but having no idea what's happening during a boot makes my blood pressure hospital worthy | 10:18 |
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| kwwii | hehe | 10:20 |
| kwwii | there should be some hook to be able to go to text mode, but I guess it is not possible with the usplash | 10:20 |
| kwwii | the bootsplash can do it...don't blame me :p | 10:20 |
| DaSkreech | and after watching everyone in the room stare at the screen while the Live CD booted has made me realise it doesn't affect only me | 10:20 |
| DaSkreech | Well yeah I can hit escape and dot it but ... would be nice to have form AND functionality | 10:21 |
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| ryanakca | hmm... why can't I come back to VT7 or VT8 (X.Org)? I can go to vt1, but I can't get back, just like I can start a new X session, but I can't get back to the previous one... (btw, I'm using Ctrl-Alt-F(1-8)) | 10:37 |
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| ryanakca | kwwii: what files do I move where? | 10:39 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: for an RC picture... I had seen something simillar to this a while back... dunno where... but GIMP a license plate saying 'Kubu(logo)ntu'... | 10:40 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: something simillar to this: http://www.acme.com/licensemaker/licenses/license_20061013134203_7916.jpg | 10:42 |
| ryanakca | or http://www.acme.com/licensemaker/licenses/license_20061013134256_9062.jpg | 10:43 |
| kwwii | ryanakca: to be honest, I have already changed it a few hundred times since then...let me tell you when I have a really perfect one | 10:45 |
| ryanakca | kk, I liked that last one.. | 10:45 |
| ryanakca | kk | 10:45 |
| kwwii | several people mentioned that it was way too "in your face" | 10:45 |
| ryanakca | really? heh | 10:45 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: heliocastro will revu tonight, thanks for the info | 10:46 |
| === ryanakca couldn't even make something close to that :) | ||
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| DaSkreech | oh Riddell is !kubuntu an issue? | 10:47 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: what's that? | 10:49 |
| DaSkreech | !kubuntu | 10:49 |
| ubotu | Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment. For more info see http://kubuntu.org for support: #kubuntu ; to install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop | 10:49 |
| Riddell | seems good to me | 10:49 |
| DaSkreech | Hmm funny | 10:49 |
| === DaSkreech shrugs ok guess it's good then :) | ||
| === ryanakca points riddell to the license plate links... good idea? or find something else? | ||
| === ryanakca hasn't managed to find anything 'premade' that's original & unused | ||
| Riddell | ryanakca: hmm, it's a bit US centric, and I suspect it won't have a free copying licence | 10:52 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: Ontari -> Canada :) | 10:52 |
| ryanakca | kk | 10:52 |
| ryanakca | I'll check for license... if it doesn't, I'll have a crack at making one this weekend :) | 10:53 |
| ryanakca | s/Ontari/Ontario | 10:53 |
| ryanakca | hmm... Maybe a 'Linux' in the place of 'Ontario', the kubuntu logo in the place of the crown, and the kubuntu motto/slogan in the place of 'Yours to discover'? | 10:54 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: it's 'freeware'... would that count as a 'free copying' licence? http://www.acme.com/ | 10:56 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: aha, found their licence: http://www.acme.com/license.html ... I'm reading over it.. from what I can see, it can be redistributed | 10:57 |
| ryanakca | it's basicly a boiled down BSD licence saying 'Do what you want, we don't care, just don't sue us' :) | 10:59 |
| DaSkreech | can We have someone kicked from the chan for being an idel git? | 11:08 |
| ryanakca | hmm... idle git? dunno | 11:10 |
| DaSkreech | Twice I've come back toe hchan to find an entire page of the person disconnecting and reconnecting on three computers | 11:10 |
| DaSkreech | It's not distracting till you realise that nearly eveeryone disconnecting and reconnecting is the same perso nand they do it twice a minute | 11:11 |
| ryanakca | yeah, I don't think that's right... | 11:11 |
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| kwwii | ok, check out the difference between http://sinecera.de/kmenu_snap.png and http://sinecera.de/kmenu_snap2.png | 11:27 |
| kwwii | tell me which one is better | 11:28 |
| Riddell | they both look good to me :) | 11:29 |
| Hawkwind | I agree, they both look very nice | 11:30 |
| DaSkreech | I like the bolder one :) | 11:31 |
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| ryanakca | kwwii: I like http://sinecera.de/kmenu_snap.png :) | 11:45 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: so, should I use something like the ones generated by acme? or should I make an international style one with 'Kubuntu' at the top; in the middle row, KUBU(KUBUNTU LOGO)NTU; and in the last row, the kubuntu motto, or should I scrap the idea and look for something else? | 11:50 |
| ryanakca | s/Kubuntu at the top/Linux at the top | 11:50 |
| Riddell | international style one... sounds good | 11:51 |
| ryanakca | kk, I'll give it a crack tonight after supper, or t'morrow morning... :) | 11:52 |
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| DaSkreech | There should be an Ubuntu Gaming team :( | 11:55 |
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| ryanakca | DaSkreech: I think there is one... look on launchpad... | 11:58 |
| DaSkreech | There should be a >visible< Ubuntu Gaming team :( | 12:00 |
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| ryanakca | yeah, https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntugames ... | 12:03 |
| ryanakca | they should ask to have something in the forums... (dunno if they do, I haven't been on the forums for a while :-( ) | 12:04 |
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