[12:13] <Riddell> pesky digg
[12:14] <nixternal> that it is
[12:14] <nixternal> just like distro watch posted the kde 3.5.5 repos
[12:18] <Lure> jdong: I will rather add some addiitonal Xsession.d in front and back to check the state of dpms timeout with dpms -q
[12:19] <jdong> hmm, interesting idea, yes
[12:20] <nuku> hm isn't kde supposed to support dpms settings?
[12:20] <jdong> nuku: that's what I was thinking originally
[12:21] <jdong> I still don't like blaming GNOME for a KDE problem
[12:21] <jdong> lol
[12:21] <nuku> :)
[12:21] <jdong> now, another logout
[12:23] <nixternal> who is buying dinner? im hungry
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[12:24] <jdong> where'd lure go?
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[12:25] <nixternal> fishing?
[12:25] <nixternal> [17:21:58]  <-- Lure has left this server ("Konversation terminated!").
[12:25] <Lure> jdong: it is changed after  all Xsession.d scripts
[12:25] <nixternal> wth
[12:25] <jdong> Lure: I realized the same thing
[12:25] <Lure> nixternal: testing dpms with logout/login ;-)
[12:26] <nixternal> now that is odd...Lure spoke, and it didn't show him reconnect for me
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[12:26] <nixternal> Lure: i seen you disconnect, but never reconnect
[12:27] <jdong> Lure: so, ready to start grepping kdebase? :D
[12:27] <Lure> jdong: ;-)
[12:28] <jdong> seriously, that's my best idea so far
[12:28] <jdong> lol
[12:29] <Lure> jdong: kdesktop/lock/lockprocess.cc:
[12:30] <jdong> ha, you're actually doing it
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[12:34] <Lure> jdong: kenergy KC module is also doing DPMS, not sure it gets executed though (I doubt it)
[12:34] <jdong> hmm
[12:35] <Lure> jdong: there is code doing stuff like this:
[12:35] <Lure> DPMSSetTimeouts(dpy, 60*standby, 60*suspend, 60*off);
[12:35] <jdong> Lure: that is VERY suspicious
[12:36] <Lure> jdong: this might be it!
[12:36] <Lure> it does quesy dpms for default values in case that config is not set in kcmdisplayrc
[12:37] <jdong> that sounds suspicious then
[12:37] <Lure> it's config is in sec, while they do not divide pre_configured values with 60
[12:38] <jdong> Lure: try patching out the DPMSSetTimeouts call?
[12:38] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/RC/Kubuntu && https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/RC/Kubuntu
[12:38] <Lure> jdong: this is buggy for sure, the problem is that I do not know who executes this function on login()
[12:38] <jdong> kenergy should've been neudered anyway
[12:38] <nixternal> start providing me with the goods
[12:39] <nixternal> actually..im going to hold off for a couple of days before adding content
[12:39] <Lure> jdong: for start I will explicitly set kcmdisplayrc values to some strange number in order to see if they have effect
[12:40] <nixternal> otherwise we will get the crazies in here wanting to talk to everyone about their issues we already know about
[12:40] <Lure> jdong: this will prove that init_energy() gets executed (and that we have the right suspect)
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[12:44] <Lure> jdong: did not help :-(
[12:45] <jdong> Lure: if you really want to rule it out, you'd comment out the function call
[12:45] <Lure> jdong: it does not get executed - if it would, it would use my config values and not wrong seconds stuff
[12:46] <jdong> ah, ok
[12:46] <Lure> anyway, I am braindead and have to get early tommorow
[12:46] <Lure> -> bed
[12:46] <Lure> jdong: is bug already opened?
[12:46] <jdong> Lure: no, it isn't...
[12:46] <jdong> Lure: you wanna open it?
[12:47] <Lure> jdong: just do it ;-)
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[12:47] <Lure> nite all!
[12:49] <ryanakca> Riddell: back, kk, I'll start looking :)
[12:52] <ryanakca> Riddell: RC image... something like this? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27472
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[12:53] <Riddell> ryanakca: it needs to have some relevance to kubuntu
[12:53] <ryanakca> ah, kk
[12:53] <Riddell> so it needs the logo in the photo (but just an overlay)
[12:53] <ryanakca> btw, where d'you get the kubuntu mug?
[12:53] <Riddell> doesn't have to be a photo of course
[12:53] <Riddell> kubuntu.de did the mugs
[12:54] <ryanakca> kk... nice :)
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[12:57] <ryanakca> Riddell: Kubuntu logo has to be blue, right? 
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[12:58] <jdong> ok, filed as bug 65791
[12:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65791 in kde-guidance "DPMS timeout restored incorrectly on login" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65791
[12:58] <jdong> Riddell: what's the current freeze status with regards to bugfixes?
[12:58] <nixternal> ryanakca: the guy who made that, doesn't even hang out here anymore
[12:58] <jdong> Riddell: not properly doing DPMS is pretty fatal to laptop users
[12:58] <nixternal> Linuxmonkey was his name
[12:58] <ryanakca> hmm... rings a bell.. I think
[12:59] <ryanakca> nixternal: kk, does that make a difference?
[12:59] <nixternal> ya
[12:59] <nixternal> get a better design ;)
[12:59] <Riddell> jdong: pretty frozen
[12:59] <nixternal> hahah
[12:59] <nixternal> j/k
[12:59] <jdong> :(
[12:59] <nixternal> my lappy won't even boot anything newer than knot 1 or 2
[01:00] <nixternal> but i think that is due to it having puter cancer
[01:01] <nixternal> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2565287072886554182&q=GI+joe
[01:01] <nixternal> stop your downloading now!
[01:03] <ryanakca> nixternal: I have a feeling that this isn't exactly a new .jpg? http://raphink.info/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/konqi_kubudoc_hires.jpg
[01:03] <Riddell> nope
[01:04] <ryanakca> oh, lol, raphink made it :)
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[01:15] <nixternal> ya, he did that a while ago
[01:37] <Riddell> RockMan: I can't get that tar to compile
[01:38] <Riddell> I have checking for baudboy.h... no  
[01:38] <Riddell> and checking for sdp_list_free in -lsdp... no
[01:38] <RockMan> yep, they told me that too...
[01:38] <RockMan> already checking... but probably i'll finish tomorrow, since i'm doing also some other things
[01:39] <RockMan> (and i'd like to do things as better as possible..)
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[01:51] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'm going to resume looking for that RC picture t'morrow... When d'you need it for?
[01:53] <Riddell> ryanakca: not until next thursday
[01:53] <ryanakca> kk
[01:53] <ryanakca> imbrandon: ping
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[01:55] <Hawkwind> ryanakca: CST....same as me :)
[02:00] <imbrandon> ryanakca, pong
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[02:42] <nixternal> interesting...trashcan on desktop is empty, trashcan in kicker is full
[02:42] <Riddell> we don't have a wastebin on the desktop by default
[02:42] <nixternal> hehe...it is on mine ;)
[02:43] <imbrandon> Riddell, i noticed yesterday on upgrade from dapper it appears somereason
[02:43] <nixternal> not on mine anymore
[02:43] <imbrandon> i thought it was just me
[02:43] <nixternal> rm ~/Desktop/trash.Desktop
[02:44] <imbrandon> hrm nixternal ping me please ( in the channell )
[02:44] <nixternal> imbrandon: ping
[02:44] <imbrandon> grr
[02:44] <nixternal> on the phone with my daughter..it is her b-day
[02:44] <imbrandon> ok try again please
[02:45] <nixternal> imbrandon: ping
[02:45] <imbrandon> ok one last time
[02:45] <nixternal> imbrandon: ping
[02:45] <imbrandon> darn it
[02:45] <nixternal> hahahaha
[02:46] <imbrandon> imbrandon??\bping\b??$
[02:46] <imbrandon> that should get triggered
[02:46] <imbrandon> i would think
[02:46] <nixternal> imbrandon: ping?
[02:47] <imbrandon> join #ubuntu-midwest if you have a few minutes to help me get this working
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[03:41] <bddebian> Howdy
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[06:24] <nixternal> who wants to help a python nub 
[06:25] <Hobbsee> Fetched 147MB in 4m20s (563kB/s)
[06:25] <Hobbsee> nice :)
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[06:25] <nixternal> that is mighty nice
[06:26] <Hobbsee> indeed
[06:26] <nixternal> how do i add something to my python search path?  i have to do some whacky translation stuff and i cna't figure out where to put this stupid file
[06:28] <Hobbsee> Fetched 17.7MB in 48s (364kB/s)
[06:28] <Hobbsee> not *too* bad - the first was off the au. mirrors, the second is of the gb. ones
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[06:38] <Hobbsee>  /dev/hda3     ext3    5.5G  4.7G  628M  89% /
[06:38] <Hobbsee> sigh.
[06:51] <n8k99> hello
[06:51] <Hobbsee> heya
[06:51] <Hobbsee> hi Lure 
[06:51] <Lure> hi Hobbsee
[06:52] <n8k99> i was just  doing a little reading - wondering if there is a telepathy equivalent in kde?
[06:52] <n8k99> is that kopete?
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[07:04] <Hobbsee> this is scary.
[07:12] <Hobbsee> what's the status for apport for kde?
[07:13] <Hobbsee> it works nicely in gnome :)
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[07:40] <Jucato> Hobbsee!! :)
[07:41] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[07:42] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee! I totally forgot about memoserv :P
[07:42] <Hobbsee> Jucato: :D  and email
[07:43] <Jucato> lol I didn't know your e-mail addy :)
[07:44] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it's on my LP page.  hobbsee@kubuntu.org or hobbsee@ubuntu.com
[07:44] <Jucato> ah ok well maybe next time :)
[07:44] <Jucato> I'm still not on my PC... :(
[07:45] <Hobbsee> :(
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[07:45] <Hobbsee> urgh
[07:45] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure which is worse
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[07:45] <Hobbsee> XP hasnt crashed as much as gnome for me :P
[07:46] <Jucato> hah. XP really doesn't crash as much if you take good care of it. 
[07:46] <Hobbsee> true
[07:46] <Jucato> and if you're careful with your internet habits, you rarely get infected
[07:47] <Jucato> oh.. Happy Birthday KDE!!
[07:48] <Jucato> er. just in case I won't be able to connect tomorrow
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[08:19] <freeflying>   imbrandon arounds?
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[09:53] <verwilst> adept updater uses interactive mode when configuring packages
[09:53] <verwilst> i had to do show details, and answer a question about flashplayer before it continued
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[01:13] <dholbach> heya
[01:14] <dholbach> hm, nuku and rockman are not here
[01:34] <sebas> dholbach: RockMan is on kde-promo :)
[01:34] <sebas> And hi there!
[01:34] <dholbach> ahhhh sure
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[01:35] <dholbach> you're all partying today!
[01:35] <dholbach> congratulations to all of you
[01:35] <RockMan> hi
[01:35] <dholbach> hey RockMan
[01:35] <dholbach> I played with it some more... no luck :/
[01:35] <dholbach> I even changed the version string to make sure I was not on crack
[01:35] <RockMan> dholbach: the r2 version?
[01:36] <dholbach> I restarted the bluetooth services, removed stale files in /var/lib/bluetooth
[01:36] <dholbach> oh, where's the r2 version?
[01:36] <RockMan> yup
[01:36] <RockMan> check kmobiletools homepage
[01:36] <dholbach> checking
[01:36] <dholbach> kmobiletools to the rescue!
[01:41] <Riddell> kwwii: ping, got any artwork for us?
[01:42] <sebas> KDE's official birthday is tomorrow, dholbach :)
[01:42] <dholbach> sebas: lalalalala :-)
[01:43] <dholbach> HAPPY PARTYING ANYWAY :)
[01:44] <_Sime> are there any really nasty bugs in edgy that I should know about before I upgrade my primary machine? anyone?
[01:44] <sebas> dholbach: Yeah :)
[01:44] <Riddell> _Sime: only that dist-upgrade is a steaming pile of poo for upgrading to edgy with
[01:44] <sebas> It's my birthday tomorrow as well, so partypartyparty
[01:45] <_Sime> Riddell: what do you mean?
[01:45] <sebas> _Sime: It works fine for my workstation, my notebook was a freaking PITA because of ATI drivers
[01:45] <Riddell> _Sime: is holds back or uninstalls a bunch of things it should keep
[01:45] <Riddell> _Sime: actually it would be interesting to hear a report of using the ubuntu upgrade tool with kubuntu if you want to try that
[01:46] <_Sime> Riddell: I'm not familiar with the upgrade tool you speak of.
[01:47] <Riddell> _Sime: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades
[01:48] <dholbach> RockMan: you ROCK
[01:48] <fdoving> any one working on bug 62610 ?
[01:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62610 in adept "impossible to manager repositories" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62610
[01:48] <RockMan> (o_O)
[01:48] <dholbach> RockMan: i'm in a gnome session, so I didn't have kbluetoothd running either
[01:48] <Riddell> fdoving: I just uploaded a fix
[01:49] <dholbach> RockMan: but /var/log/syslog already showed that the new patch was different - it registered a different passkey agent this time
[01:49] <RockMan> good
[01:49] <dholbach> RockMan: thanks a lot for your efforts
[01:49] <_Sime> Riddell: the tool just calls apt-get? yes?
[01:49] <dholbach> RockMan: I'm going to play with it some more
[01:49] <RockMan> well, check if it works, at least
[01:49] <dholbach> RockMan: I'm browsing my phone at the moment
[01:49] <RockMan> ah.. nice :D
[01:50] <Riddell> _Sime: no, it uses the python-apt repository and has some special knowledge about what is important to keep and work around during a distro upgrade
[01:50] <Riddell> s/repository/library/
[01:50] <dholbach> RockMan: so thanks again
[01:50] <RockMan> you're welcome
[01:50] <Riddell> dholbach: it's all working?
[01:51] <dholbach> Riddell: it looks damn good
[01:51] <dholbach> Riddell: we might need something that calls        passkey-agent --default /usr/lib/kdebluetooth/kbluepin
[01:51] <dholbach> Riddell: yesterday we thought about adding another autostart .desktop file to kdebluetooth - does that sound crackful?
[01:52] <Riddell> that sounds fine
[01:52] <dholbach> kdebluetooth is sweet - good work on that
[01:52] <_Sime> Riddell: ok, but will it work or will I burst into tears?
[01:52] <dholbach> Riddell: I'll play with it some more and see if it clashes with the gnome thingie - if not, we should go for it
[01:52] <Riddell> _Sime: it's known to work
[01:54] <_Sime> Riddell: the only other problem is that I'm doing this via ssh.... and I want to nohup it.
[01:54] <Riddell> _Sime: oh, in that case just do apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:54] <Riddell> _Sime: but you'll need to do  apt-get install kubuntu-desktop afterwards to reinstall all the stuff it didn't want to keep
[01:54] <fdoving> Riddell: great thanks :)
[01:55] <_Sime> Riddell: ok. I'll use dist-upgrade and then check kubuntu-desktop.
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[02:01] <_Sime> here I go.
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[02:10] <Riddell> I'm off out for a bit, kwwii if you have that menu artwork please commit that to bzr
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[02:33] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: Hi
[02:38] <Hobbsee> hey Tm_T 
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[02:43] <Hobbsee> oh darn it.
[02:43] <Hobbsee> i cant eat this dinner, stirfry, without a splade or another utensil.
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[02:49] <Tonio__> hi ;)
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_!
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[02:53] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hu ? did I change things recently ?
[02:53] <Tonio_> ;)
[02:53] <Tonio_> I'm making a point on _Sime's patches....
[02:53] <Tonio_> there is a big bunch of problems not yet fixed....
[02:53] <Tonio_> I'd be a bit scarry to release with this in its current state....
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: no.  but i tried xfce and gnome.  scary stuff.
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[02:54] <imbrandon_> its edgy ;)
[02:54] <Hobbsee> yeah, but still
[02:54] <Tonio_> imbrandon yes but well....
[02:54] <Tonio_> bug 65873
[02:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65873 in kdelibs "Konqueror doesn't show the content of CD/Dvds unless "refresh" is pressed in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65873
[02:54] <Tonio_> confirmed, I have the same issue here
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[02:54] <Tonio_> audio cds don't work
[02:55] <Tonio_> qtparted cannot be used to format a usbkey, since there is no way to simply umount it
[02:55] <Tonio_> except eject...
[02:55] <Tonio_> that's weird, really !
[02:55] <imbrandon_> yea but tbh 99% of joe dosent open audio and video in konqueror, they use amarok or kaffeine ;)
[02:55] <Tonio_> imbrandon what if you want to rip it to mp3 ?
[02:55] <Tonio_> that's a konqueror killer feature, and now it simply doesn't work
[02:56] <imbrandon_> kaudiocreator
[02:56] <imbrandon_> thats why its installed
[02:56] <imbrandon_> ;)
[02:56] <Tonio_> imbrandon which uses /media/cdrom0 by default (can be changed of course)
[02:56] <imbrandon_> and its rps to many diffrent formats not just mp3
[02:56] <Tonio_> honnestly, when I doubleclick on the desktop's icon and get a "no cd inserted"
[02:56] <Tonio_> that gives the feeling of a pre-alpha release...
[02:57] <Hobbsee> ouch.  scary
[02:57] <imbrandon_> Tonio_: i'm not saying it dosent need fixing, i'm just saying its not as critical as its made out to be if you really think about it
[02:57] <Hobbsee> that probably warrants fixing now
[02:57] <Tonio_> in my opinion, if most of those issues are not fixed before edgy is out, we should remove the patches...
[02:57] <Tonio_> and discard them for edgy+1 when they get mature enough to be included
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[02:57] <Tonio_> imbrandon concerning the desktop cleaning, that's critical
[02:58] <Tonio_> since when you had 3 ways to do something you only get one now
[02:58] <imbrandon_> Tonio_: its FAR to late for that, as the normal way hasenbt been tested
[02:58] <Tonio_> imbrandon the normal way has been tested widely with 3.4.4
[02:58] <imbrandon_> they just need to be fixed, now or with -updates
[02:58] <Tonio_> 3.5.4 sorry, and 3.5.5 doesn't change anything
[02:58] <imbrandon_> widely where? not in edgy
[02:59] <Tonio_> imbrandon I don't say I don't want those patches in, but I prefer something working to something that doesn't work
[02:59] <imbrandon_> and thats where it matters to mdz thf.
[02:59] <Tonio_> imbrandon 3.5.4 and edgy were tested 2 month without those patches
[02:59] <Tonio_> imbrandon and this material is in kde for YEARS
[02:59] <Tonio_> it has a very few issues (except with non kde apps)
[03:00] <imbrandon_> Tonio_: yes there are rough edges thus edgy, we talked about this when putting them in, thats why dapper is supported for 3 years
[03:00] <Tonio_> the problem is who can fix the issues, except sime or Riddell
[03:01] <imbrandon_> they are not the only two, and rember there is -updates, i think its very critical that these be fixed not removed
[03:01] <imbrandon_> else they will not ever make it
[03:01] <Tonio_> imbrandon well I can understand edgy is there for testing new things, but is that a reason to include very incomplete stuff ?
[03:02] <imbrandon_> Tonio_: thats the thing its not very incomplete, i just said above if you actualy think about it those are not the "default" way of doing things
[03:02] <imbrandon_> this kaudiocreatror and kaffeine
[03:02] <Tonio_> kaudiocreator has the same issue....
[03:02] <Tonio_> points to /media/cdrom0 by default
[03:02] <imbrandon_> they are nice to have and yes need to be fixed but dont warrent removeal
[03:03] <Hobbsee> but will they get fixed, though?  in time?
[03:03] <imbrandon_> ESPECIALY after RC freeze
[03:03] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: yes , why wouldent they
[03:03] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: if the people are around who know how to fix it, yes.  wand waving doesnt work.
[03:04] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: yes and me Riddell and sime are arround daily not counting the others that send patches to sime 
[03:04] <gnomefreak> there even a @lart about Hobbsee  ;)
[03:04] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: indeed.  i think you wanted -ops
[03:04] <imbrandon_> i dont see wand waving, i see updates almost daily
[03:04] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: it's #28
[03:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: oh good
[03:05] <gnomefreak> lol
[03:05] <gnomefreak> yes i did
[03:05] <imbrandon_> all i'm saying is yes there are bugs that need to be fixed Tonio_ but removal sint warented especialy this late in the cycle
[03:06] <imbrandon_> fixes would be much much more preferable
[03:07] <imbrandon_> i mean there are flac regressions and 36+ other bugs in amarok atm but we're not thinking about removing it ;)
[03:08] <imbrandon_> same type of deal, plus if they are in the edgy release more kde developers will help fix them and more of a chance of a stable release for edgy+1
[03:09] <imbrandon_> trust me i feel the same way about k-s-s , i think in its current state of useability it should be removed and use kcontrol but that isnt the good awnser, the better answer is to fix k-s-s
[03:20] <imbrandon_> Tonio_: the bigest outstanding issues with simes patches are mounting issues correct >
[03:20] <imbrandon_> ?
[03:20] <imbrandon_> or just mounting audio/video ?
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[03:36] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:36] <Hobbsee> heya
[03:37] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:38] <imbrandon_> heya bddebian 
[03:38] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
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[03:40] <windshear> hello
[03:40] <windshear> anyone has a floppy drive and is using KDE 3.5.5
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[03:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon the issue is with audio cds only
[03:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon I tried to give a look but that's far to complicated for me....
[03:49] <Tonio_> if that is resolved, and the 'impossible to umount easilly'
[03:49] <Tonio_> that would probably be by far more usable
[03:49] <Tonio_> imbrandon don't get me wrong, I don't criticize the job at all
[03:49] <Tonio_> it resolves lots of issues and is incredibly promissing
[03:49] <imbrandon_> Tonio_: oh i know
[03:50] <Tonio_> just that according to me, that's alpha state, not even beta
[03:50] <imbrandon_> heh
[03:50] <imbrandon_> brb rebooting
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[03:54] <Hobbsee> hey el!
[03:55] <el> hey Hobbsee :)
[03:55] <el> hey all :)
=== Hobbsee saw something yesterday that would make el die of horror.
[03:55] <Hobbsee> unfortunately i cant show you it :(
[03:55] <el> Hobbsee, uhhh... what was it?
=== el doesn't want to die yet!
[03:55] <Hobbsee> el: hehe
[03:56] <Hobbsee> el: road and traffic authority here.  i was applying for an etag.  multiple screens, previous on the left, next on the right, at the bottom.  fine.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> at the last screen:  previous on the top right, bottom right (where next had been for the last 7 screens), and next on the far far left.  
[03:58] <el> eeeek!
[03:59] <Hobbsee> el: indeed!
[03:59] <Hobbsee> el: of course, the best bit then would have been that if you hit previous, it would have wiped the entire form.
[04:00] <Hobbsee> fortunately, it wasnt like that, else i would have gone and yelled at said rta for being idiots.
[04:00] <el> Hobbsee, hehe - that would have been evil ;-)
[04:00] <el> haha
[04:00] <el> :)
[04:00] <el> but did yu tell them, Hobbsee ?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> el: i didnt.  i try to stay away from them as much as possible.
[04:01] <el> heh 
[04:02] <dholbach> hey el!
=== el just tested a sap system for 2 days. that made me cry....
[04:02] <el> dholbach, huhu! 
=== dholbach hugs and comforts el
[04:02] <dholbach> sap ... *whine*
[04:02] <el> *smile*
[04:02] <el> dholbach, jupp. you really wonder what the 50+ usability specialists do there
[04:02] <dholbach> el: are you partying with the kde guys too?
[04:03] <dholbach> hehe :)
[04:03] <el> dholbach, no - had to work in the morning. couldn't go to stuttgart
[04:03] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach!  you've come to the dark side?
[04:03] <Tonio_> dholbach: I'm looking at the kbluepin issue....
[04:04] <dholbach> Hobbsee: not really ;-)
[04:04] <kwwii> I think he got tired of dealing with artwork problems :p
[04:04] <dholbach> Tonio_: RockMan has figured it out
[04:04] <dholbach> Tonio_: his patch is fine
[04:04] <Hobbsee> dholbach: heh
[04:04] <Hobbsee> kwwii: *g*
[04:04] <el> huhu kwwii
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[04:04] <el> juhu!
[04:04] <kwwii> lol, thanks Hobbsee
[04:04] <Tm_T> :)
[04:04] <Tonio_> dholbach: ah ? resolved then ?
[04:05] <el> and huhu Tonio_ :)
[04:05] <Tonio_> hey el :)
[04:05] <Tm_T> Hmm, looks like kxdocker is pretty broken.
[04:05] <dholbach> kwwii: seb128 behaved bad - I punish him with chatting to the kde folks instead
[04:05] <Tonio_> dholbach: that just needs uploading then ?
[04:05] <kwwii> dholbach: does he chat with an accent too? (lol)
[04:06] <dholbach> kwwii: who? accent? ;-)
[04:06] <dholbach> Tonio_: it could do with some testing - I'll add an autostart thingie to kdebluetooth - it'd be nice if somebody could test that in a native kde environment
[04:06] <dholbach> Tonio_: can I ping you, when I have it ready?
[04:06] <Tonio_> dholbach: sure
[04:06] <dholbach> Tonio_: you rock!
[04:06] <Tonio_> dholbach: kdebluetooth already autostarts
[04:06] <Tonio_> dholbach: but the icon is hidden by default ;)
[04:07] <dholbach> Tonio_: it'll get another autostart thingie
[04:07] <Tonio_> dholbach: ah, okay
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[04:08] <Tonio_> bluetooth on kde is nasty anyway.... I hope kde4 will resolve this...
[04:08] <dholbach> it works quite well
[04:08] <dholbach> and I like the obex thingie in konqueror
[04:08] <dholbach> there's a gnomevfs module for nautilus, but it's not official
[04:14] <Tonio_> dholbach: yes but compare it to how it works on OSX or windows.... linux interfaces for bluetooth are far from that
[04:15] <dholbach> edgy+1! ;-)
[04:15] <Tonio_> dholbach: what did RockMan do ?
[04:15] <dholbach> kmobiletools.org/node/228
[04:15] <nuku> well actually file transfer to bt devices is better than under windows imho :)
[04:15] <Tonio_> dholbach: used the kmobilephone patch ?
[04:15] <dholbach> yeah
[04:16] <Tonio_> okay yeah I just found it, looks like the only solution before someone writes a kde passkey-agent
=== Tonio_ really has to learn coding :(
[04:16] <Tonio_> python is on the way though :)
[04:16] <nuku> Tonio_: right.. some suse guys patched it in a kdebluetooth fork
=== Hobbsee too
=== Hobbsee only knows basic c++.  shame.
[04:17] <nuku> Tonio_: yep i think python would be sufficient for the passkey agent..
[04:17] <Tonio_> nuku: interesting, but did they used that kmobiletools or did they do a real passkey-agent ?
[04:17] <nuku> actually there its just some dbus stuff to take care of ..
[04:17] <Tonio_> nuku: yeah but I'm a very young python coder :) gimme a few month
[04:17] <nuku> Tonio_: they build dbus support into kdebluetooth.. haven't tried it yet but thats the way to go
[04:18] <Tonio_> nuku: hum, pretty interesting
[04:18] <nuku> as bluez uses dbus now
[04:18] <Tonio_> nuku: svn available ?
[04:18] <nuku> yep.. its in kde svn.. hold on
[04:18] <Tonio_> nuku: testing
[04:18] <nuku> http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/kdebluetooth-dbus-integration/
[04:18] <Tonio_> dholbach: did we test this too ?
[04:19] <dholbach> no, I didn't want to introduce too much new code
[04:19] <Tonio_> nuku: I'm doing a test package
[04:19] <Tonio_> dholbach: I understand yes, but maybe if that's mature enough.....
[04:19] <dholbach> imho that's edgy+1 stuff. I doubt you get it past the release team
[04:19] <dholbach> but try
[04:20] <Tonio_> dholbach: well, uploads that resolve milestone bugs are encouraged afaik ;)
[04:20] <dholbach> the stuff I'm doing was supposed to do that
[04:20] <nuku> Tonio_: well it's not just a simple patch to kdebluetooth i guess :)
[04:21] <dholbach> but try ;)
[04:21] <Tonio_> nuku: I'll diff :)
[04:22] <nuku> hehe i bet you need diffstat to see the impact :)
[04:22] <Tonio_> nuku: yeah there are big differences indeed :)
[04:23] <nuku> and i think its not yet ment to be released..
[04:23] <nuku> RockMan told that it will go into the next suse release...
[04:24] <nuku> but don't know if that 10.2 or later :)
[04:26] <nuku> i guess having some simple python passkey agent would be the way to go in short terms :)
[04:27] <nuku> still this "hack" for passkey+kbluepin works for the moment
[04:27] <dholbach> Tonio_: can you try  http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/bluez-utils.debdiff  and  http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/kdebluetooth.debdiff ?
[04:28] <Tonio_> dholbach: yes, gimme a moment and I'll feedback
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[04:28] <dholbach> el: so where's the party going to be tonight? :)
[04:29] <dholbach> el: and what about the edgy berlin release party?
[04:29] <el> dholbach, edgy release in berlin sounds great 
[04:29] <el> dholbach, @ your home again?
[04:30] <dholbach> el: I'm not quite sure yet
[04:30] <el> dholbach, balcony won't work this time of the year
[04:30] <dholbach> el: I can imagine having to throw out the CCC people at 7 in the morning again ;)
[04:30] <nuku> a party in berlin would be nice :)
[04:30] <dholbach> nuku: you're in Berlin too?
[04:30] <nuku> yes :)
[04:30] <dholbach> man, I didn't know!
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[04:32] <dholbach> nuku, el: so you two are going to do a KDE Birthday Berlin party? :-)
[04:33] <el> dholbach, no kde birthday in B
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[04:33] <el> laters!
[04:33] <kwwii> ciao el
[04:33] <DaSkreech> Cannon smash?
[04:33] <dholbach> el:  enjoy it
[04:35] <Tonio_> dholbach: building
[04:35] <dholbach> super
[04:36] <dholbach> Tonio_: it'd be super interesting to see if, when you restart the session, it will start the passkey thingie too
[04:36] <Tonio_> nuku: tried the svn stuff, but it is not complete actually.... misses doc informations, translations etc..... hard do package this and get it accept.... that'll be for edgy+1 I presume :)
[04:36] <Tonio_> dholbach: yeah, I'll test this
[04:36] <Tonio_> dholbach: how did you do the autostart stuff ?
[04:36] <dholbach> Tonio_: add an autostart file and installed it :)
[04:37] <Tonio_> dholbach: yeah but which autostart folder did you use ? gnome and kde folders are different :) 
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[04:37] <dholbach> /usr/share/autostart
[04:37] <dholbach> where the other one is
[04:39] <Tonio_> yes, I looked at the changes and it looks good
[04:43] <imbrandon> Riddell, i just got a chance to try the new kde-guidance-powermanager on my laptop ( i'm on it right now ) all looks good ( even though this test is about a day late heheh )
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[04:48] <nuku> Tonio_: yes i was thinking so.. it's still in an early development stage i guess..
[04:48] <Tonio_> nuku: true that
[04:50] <nuku> well at least the proposed patch should work for now.. better than broken bluetooth support :)
[04:52] <hunger> Anyone got an idea how to stop kde-guidance-powermanager from offering hibernation?
[04:53] <Riddell> thanks imbrandon 
[04:53] <nuku> hmm shouldn't the .desktop in kdebluetooth have an "OnlyShowIn=KDE;"?
[04:53] <Tonio_> nuku: doesn't produce any icon afaik
[04:53] <Riddell> nuku: why?
[04:54] <Tonio_> and gnome doesn't autostart /usr/share/autostart things
[04:54] <nuku> oh ok i thought gnome would use ../autostart too..
[04:54] <nuku> ok
[04:54] <Tonio_> kdebluetooth build takes a while...
[04:54] <dholbach> Tonio_: yep
[04:54] <dholbach> ahhh, mine is finishing :-D
[04:55] <Tonio_> I should buy a dualcore :)
[04:55] <dholbach> i don't have one either
[04:55] <imbrandon> Tonio_, hehe yea me too
[04:55] <DaSkreech> Quadcore coming out soon :)
[04:55] <Riddell> sebas: did you get the summit invite?
[04:56] <Tonio_> well my GF's laptop is dying so I'll probaly give her my vaio and buy another one by christmas :)
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[04:56] <imbrandon> good means dualcore will drop in price
[04:57] <DaSkreech> Yup yup :-)
[04:57] <imbrandon> i just got my plane tickets yesterday, i have to leave home at 3AM !?!
[04:57] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:57] <Tonio_> imbrandon: It'll take 17 hours for me :)
[04:57] <Tonio_> paris -> atlanta -> SF
[04:58] <Tonio_> I'll probably stay awake for 2 days to be sure to sleep correctly
[04:58] <imbrandon> wow, mine is 2 hours of actual flight but there is a layover and time diffrence so i wont arrive till 10am
[04:58] <imbrandon> but i leave at 6am
[04:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: how long do you have to change at atlanta?  you might have to re-check in completely depending on their mood
[04:58] <imbrandon> Tonio_, heh
[04:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: 1h30
[04:59] <imbrandon> Kansas City --> Denver --> San Fran
[04:59] <imbrandon> ouch not much time
[04:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: well there is a direct fly, but it costs twice as much so....
[04:59] <Tonio_> imbrandon: well to go back to paris I have only 30 minutes ;)
[05:00] <Tonio_> I'm wondering if that's enough....
[05:01] <imbrandon> wow i have a 2 hour change at denver , i'm not sure if that was enough, but 30 minutes !?!
[05:01] <imbrandon> depends on what gates and if they make you re-checkin
[05:02] <imbrandon> thats one reason i am leaving in the morning so if i get delayed I'll still make it on time
[05:02] <imbrandon> s/on time/by the evening
[05:02] <Tonio_> San Francisco (SFO) 11:40 -> Cincinnati 19:00
[05:02] <Tonio_> then Cincinnati 19:30 -> paris 09:50
[05:02] <Tonio_> that looks like dangerous
[05:03] <imbrandon> heh
[05:03] <Tonio_> I'll have to be very quick :)
[05:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: since you travel a lot, do you think that's possible ?
[05:04] <Riddell> entirely depends on the mood of the airport
[05:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah....
[05:04] <Riddell> but it sounds risky
[05:05] <DaSkreech> and wether or not you have a beard and turban
[05:05] <imbrandon> just hope the terror alert dosent raise that day
[05:05] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hehe indeed :)
[05:06] <Tonio_> dholbach: restarting kde
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[05:08] <Tonio_> tonio    23673  0.0  0.0   1864   628 ?        S    17:07   0:00 /usr/bin/passkey-agent --default /usr/lib/kdebluetooth/kbluepin
[05:08] <Tonio_> autostart works.... let's test the pin stuff
[05:08] <imbrandon> wow konq seems ALOT faster lately
[05:09] <Tonio_> dholbach: all works !
[05:09] <dholbach> Tonio_: YOU ROCK!
[05:09] <dholbach> *HAPPY*
[05:09] <Tonio_> dholbach: you rock ! ;) I only tested
[05:09] <dholbach> Riddell: please check http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/bluez-utils.debdiff and http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/kdebluetooth.debdiff
[05:10] <dholbach> Riddell: once you're sufficiently happy, I'll ask Tollef for approval
[05:11] <Riddell> looks good to me, in so far as I know nothing about bluetooth :)
[05:11] <Tonio_> imbrandon: to load ?
[05:12] <Riddell> dholbach: I'd remove the commented out lines from kbluepin.autostart.desktop
[05:12] <dholbach> Riddell: easy enough to do
[05:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I tested the patches deeply, and I can confirm the issues are resolved, that's the point :)
[05:12] <imbrandon> Tonio_, running / surfing
[05:12] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yeah, but running as a trick since I configured kds to preload one konqueror instance :)
[05:13] <Tonio_> but to surf, yes, the performances are impressive, nothing to do with firefox
[05:13] <imbrandon> ahh
[05:13] <dholbach> Riddell: updated
[05:14] <Tonio_> imbrandon: just the web compatibility, but that'll have to wait for webkit... kde4
[05:14] <Riddell> dholbach: upload it!
[05:14] <dholbach> Riddell: rock on
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[05:15] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[05:16] <Riddell> hi Mez 
[05:17] <Mez> Riddell: do you have any boxes of Kubuntu CDs left?
[05:18] <Mez> I need some - the darn things are going like hotcakes
[05:18] <Riddell> I do but I'd rather not spend my money on the postage, use shipit
[05:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll try to polish and finish the ark code today and get them in svn...
[05:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: good plan
[05:18] <Mez> Riddell: I'll happily paypal you the money for postage...
[05:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: too late for edgy, for edgy is about over for me, there is no much thing I can do now since there are no milestone bugs than concern my work
[05:19] <Mez> Riddell: plus shipit will take wayy too long
[05:19] <Tonio_> so let's anticipate edgy+1 and come to uds with ready to work stuff :)
=== Hobbsee is startign to wonder what the edgy+1 goals are..
=== Tonio_ congrats dholbach for his first pure kubuntu contribution :)
[05:20] <Riddell> now we have to fix gnome bugs in return
[05:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: true !
[05:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: whatever you want them to be
[05:21] <dholbach> Tonio_: i hope we'll be able to remove that hack soon in edgy+1 again ;)
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[05:21] <Tonio_> dholbach: well I bookmarked the suse svn stuff... maybe in 3.5.6 with any chance...
[05:22] <dholbach> I sure hope so
[05:22] <Tonio_> http://www.fnac.com/Shelf/article.asp?PRID=1895811&Mn=3&SID=&TTL=&Origin=FnacAff&Ra=-50&To=0&Nu=2&UID=&Fr=0
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[05:23] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, they havent really been set yet, thats to be decided between now and the end of UDS ;)
[05:23] <Hobbsee> so it seems
[05:23] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: indeed :)
[05:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: heh, right.
[05:24] <Sime> I'll back and still running. whoohoo!
[05:24] <Tonio_> is 386 version of ubuntu installable on an amd64 ?
[05:24] <Tonio_> I never used a 64 bit processor (outside of servers...)
[05:25] <Tonio_> I know winXP 32 bits works, so I assume yes, but I'd like to be sure
[05:26] <imbrandon> Tonio_, yes
[05:26] <Tonio_> Sime: hey :)
[05:26] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i386 works perfect on a amd64
[05:26] <Tonio_> Sime: will you have time today so that we can check my audiocd issue ? ;)
[05:26] <Tonio_> I'll be there this time :)
[05:26] <imbrandon> ( you just cant run 64bit apps )
[05:26] <imbrandon> heya Sime
[05:27] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yeah of course, but looks interesting to install both in fact
[05:27] <Sime> Tonio_: I've actually gotta go do some cleaning... (honest)
[05:27] <Tonio_> Sime: okay no pb, just ping me when you can
[05:28] <Tonio_> Sime: I was confirmed it doesn't work on 3.5.5 edgy, so 
[05:28] <Tonio_> 1/ I didn't port the patch correctly
[05:28] <Tonio_> 2/ there is a little change in 3.5.5 that cause the issue
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[05:32] <bobesponja> hey all
[05:33] <bobesponja> I'm using edgy and when I use konqueror, it displays little square where there should be a '
[05:34] <bobesponja> any idea how to fix this?
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[05:51] <nixternal> imbrandon: ever since switching over to the -generic kernel, i get these apic errors like i got with the k7 kernel and they lock up the machine
[05:51] <nixternal> [17179742.292000]  APIC error on CPU0: 01(01)
[05:53] <Mez> Riddell: pinh
[05:53] <Mez> ping *
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[05:54] <Riddell> Mez: hmm?
[05:54] <Mez> Riddell: when you were making up the o2display for katapult, you made a way to use the images without using qembed ... do you still have that code lying around ?
[05:56] <Riddell> no, although I expect it would be the normal way of using a qpixmap
[05:57] <Mez> hmm - cause we're thinking of dropping qembed for 0.4
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[05:57] <Mez> Riddell: do you have much experience with KConfigXT ?
[05:58] <Riddell> no
[05:58] <Mez> darnit... people seem to want katapult to use it... but rewriting the GUI etc etc is a PITA due to loading dynamic modules
[05:58] <Riddell> but you should think about porting to qt/kde 4 soon
[05:58] <Mez> Riddell: yeah - thats what I was thinking ... dont know what the best way to go about that is
[05:59] <Mez> Riddell: do you think we should port 0.3.x ? or just 0.4?
[05:59] <Riddell> why would you port an old version?
[06:00] <Mez> because we're not too sure if 0.4 is going to be released soon
[06:00] <Mez> and of course, we want a version to work with KDE 4.0
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[06:19] <DaSkreech> Hi Mez
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Hi raphink
[06:21] <Mez> hi DaSkreech
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[06:22] <DaSkreech> Is the new katapult shipping wit the spell module?
[06:23] <Mez> it will be ;)
[06:23] <Mez> if not grab and compile from source ;)
[06:24] <Mez> you can even compile 0.4-bzr from source if you want
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[06:26] <Mez> DaSkreech, you might just want to grab it from source - it's the same as 0.3.x atm, however, it's now multi-threaded
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Why would multithreaded be useful with the number of catalogs tht we have now?
[06:29] <Mez> because the catalogs update in their own thread now
[06:30] <fdoving> does it support executing real commands? 
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[06:30] <fdoving> like a alt+f2 replacement? 
[06:31] <Mez> atm: no - it's a planned feature
[06:31] <Mez> atm it only runs stuff that is in the desktop
[06:31] <Mez> actually thats a feature I can build now
[06:31] <fdoving> nice :)
[06:31] <fdoving> then i can start using it too. :)
[06:32] <Mez> when it allows you to run arbitary commands ?
[06:34] <DaSkreech> can it detect a CLI app and open it in konsole? :-)
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Mez: ! wait it can update catalogs dynamically now?
[06:36] <Mez> DaSkreech, it basically calls anything from your K Menu
[06:36] <Mez> DaSkreech, I believe so
[06:36] <fdoving> Mez: correct, when i can run what i want, not just .desktop files :)
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Right. So if I install something I don't have to restart katapult?
[06:36] <Mez> you SHOULDNT
[06:36] <DaSkreech> fdoving: You know that technically you can write a catalog that would do that? :)
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Like a kio slave catalog
[06:37] <Mez> I know it re-indexes on the close of the configure screen at least 
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[06:37] <DaSkreech> Mez:  :)
[06:37] <fdoving> DaSkreech: it's better if mez do that :)
[06:37] <Mez> fdoving: why not you do it - it's a simple job
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Mez: See? Your job is to have Developer docs done up :)
[06:38] <fdoving> Mez: so it's that simple? 
[06:38] <Mez> fdoving: well - it's pretty much making the program catalog match anything and execute it. ..
[06:38] <gnomefreak> up until you run into errors its real simple
[06:38] <Mez> actually it might not be a good idea...
[06:39] <Mez> Hmm... it might not be as simple as I thought. ..
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[06:39] <DaSkreech> Don't you have a kio slave want ad on the wiki?
[06:39] <Mez> DaSkreech, probably
[06:39] <DaSkreech> http://wiki.thekatapult.org.uk/Google_search
[06:39] <Mez> thinking about it fdoving/ DaSkreech, it wouldnt be that simple - as it would be a prequisite to have the catalog ordering first
[06:40] <DaSkreech> Well couldn't that be a user setting with some preconcieved default?
[06:41] <Mez> DaSkreech, we'd still need to code in the catalog priority stuff first
[06:41] <Mez> because the way the catalogs match at the moment are a little... random
[06:41] <DaSkreech> Oh catalogs don't have priority now?
[06:41] <DaSkreech>  I thought htey did
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[06:43] <raphink> hi DaSkreech
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Are you associated with Icthux ?
[06:44] <raphink> yes, I'm the creator
[06:44] <Mez> anyone want to code catalog priority ?
[06:45] <DaSkreech> raphink: What was the intent?
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Mez: Whats the requirements?
[06:49] <Mez> DaSkreech, that each catalog has a priority, it will search each catalog in rank until it finds one that matches
[06:49] <DaSkreech> Mez how does it do it now?
[06:49] <Mez> for example, checks programcatalog, if no match, then file catalog etc etc
[06:49] <Mez> DaSkreech, all of them return and it then picks a random thing
[06:49] <Mez> hence the bug
[06:50] <Mez> bug 33712
[06:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 33712 in eog "[Dapper]  some icons are blurry" [Unknown,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/33712
[06:50] <Mez> bug 37712 *
[06:50] <DaSkreech> That doesn't seem related at all :)
[06:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37712 in katapult "katapult prefers bookmark instead of binary" [High,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37712
[06:50] <DaSkreech> Ah Right
[06:51] <DaSkreech> That is annoying
[06:51] <raphink> how do you mean DaSkreech?
[06:51] <DaSkreech> raphink: Is it an independent Distro or is it Ubuntu Khrisitan Edition?
[06:51] <raphink> it's included in Ubuntu now DaSkreech
[06:52] <raphink> but it's not officially supported by Canonical
[06:52] <raphink> our packages are in Universe
[06:52] <DaSkreech> raphink: Well Yeah :) but does it have it's own agenda or does it track Ubuntu Chrisitan Edition?
[06:52] <DaSkreech> Mez: So something simple like an up and down arrow beside catalogs?
[06:52] <raphink> Ubuntu Christian Edition has nothing to do with Ubuntu
[06:53] <raphink> it is not even a distro
[06:53] <raphink> it doesn't make packages
[06:53] <raphink> has no release schedule
[06:53] <Mez> DaSkreech, something like that
[06:53] <Mez> but the codes gotta work too
[06:53] <DaSkreech> Mez: Ha ha :) Damnit Almost got away with it
[06:54] <DaSkreech> raphink: Whats the advantages of Icthux over UCE?
[06:54] <Riddell> it's not brown
[06:55] <raphink> DaSkreech: that it's a real distro? with real packages, a real schedule, and maintained by real developers, including quite a lot of Ubuntu and Debian devs
[06:55] <raphink> DaSkreech: also that it's genuine open-source
[06:55] <raphink> we don't include proprietary contents as they do
[06:55] <raphink> or even non-licensed ones
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Sorry I oly followed like two releases what propieatry are they using?
[06:55] <raphink> we respect the DFSG
[06:55] <DaSkreech>  the Filter?
[06:55] <raphink> the firefox theme
[06:55] <raphink> and wallpapers
[06:55] <raphink> at least
[06:56] <raphink> as for the way it works
[06:56] <raphink> Ubuntu CE uses scripts as Automatix
[06:56] <raphink> which is against the way Ubuntu does it
[06:56] <raphink> Ichthux uses metapackages
[06:56] <raphink> as Kubuntu/Xubuntu/Edubuntu
[06:58] <raphink> DaSkreech: do you need more reasons?
[06:58] <raphink> DaSkreech: of course, Ubuntu CE evolves faster, cause making scripts is faster than creating a real distro
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Well the only thing I really cared about was that it wasn't tracking UCE
[06:58] <DaSkreech> but it seems to be in good hands
[06:59] <raphink> don't worry ;)
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Go forward! :)
[06:59] <raphink> I've been working on Ichthux for more than a year
[06:59] <raphink> and we are Ubuntu core-devs, MOTUs and Debian developers
[06:59] <raphink> working on it
[06:59] <raphink> :)
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Oh! Well congrats then you have acheived what many set out to do and failed :0
[06:59] <DaSkreech> ;-)
[06:59] <raphink> :)
[06:59] <raphink> yes :)
[06:59] <raphink> synrg posted about it
[07:00] <raphink> DaSkreech: you can read http://syn.theti.ca/articles/2006/09/13/ichthux-a-joint-debian-ubuntu-project
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Wehre?
[07:00] <DaSkreech> ok :)
[07:00] <raphink> and http://syn.theti.ca/articles/2006/10/06/ichthux-and-ubuntu-ce-why-two-projects
[07:00] <DaSkreech> I get 404
[07:01] <raphink> works fine here
[07:03] <raphink> hope
[07:03] <raphink> I'm gone :)
[07:03] <raphink> DaSkreech: feel free to come on #ichthux if you want more infos sometime :)
[07:03] <raphink> or #ichthux-devel 
[07:04] <Mez> so, DaSkreech, want to ?
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[07:05] <DaSkreech> I'll lookit the code to see how inviting it is
[07:05] <DaSkreech> But I have to run right now
[07:06] <DaSkreech> Where's the repo I'll pull it while I'm out
[07:08] <Mez> http://launchpad.net/products/katapult/+branches/dev
[07:08] <Mez> sorryt
[07:08] <Mez> https://launchpad.net/people/katapult-dev/+branch/katapult/dev
[07:15] <Mez> anyone here have SVN access?
[07:15] <Riddell> yes
[07:15] <Riddell> assuming you mean kde
[07:16] <Mez> Riddell: fancy pushing up the katapult code so I can announce a string freeze (my PC with my SSH key isnt connected to the net yet)
[07:16] <Riddell> if you give me a diff
[07:16] <Mez> Riddell: will do
[07:17] <Mez> Riddell: out of curiostiy - why did you add the FDL licence to SVN? I thought I got rid of the FDL stuff
[07:17] <Riddell> KDE docs are under FDL, the licence needs to be included 
[07:18] <Mez> have debian accepted the FDL now ?
[07:18] <Riddell> yes
[07:18] <Mez> ah, fair enough
[07:22] <Mez> una momenta, just bumping version numbers
[07:26] <Mez> Riddell... why does svn revert not work
[07:26] <Riddell> I've never used it
[07:30] <kwwii> Riddell: one question: do I have to rename the package back to "ubuntu" before I commit and rebuild?
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[07:31] <Mez> Riddell: http://tiber.tauware.de/~mez/katapult.diff
[07:31] <Riddell> kwwii: no
[07:32] <Riddell> kwwii: you also don't need to build it, unless you want to test the package
[07:33] <kwwii> Riddell: forget that, it works now...I screwed up
[07:33] <kwwii> Riddell: two pics added to bzr
[07:33] <kwwii> well, not added, changed
[07:34] <Mez> Riddell: hopefully that'll let me know via #katapult when you commit it
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[07:49] <Riddell> hmm?
[07:50] <Mez> My name is spelt "Meredith"
[07:50] <Riddell> close enough
[07:51] <Mez> not for me ;)
[07:52] <dholbach> Mez: we're doing a release! not posing for a beauty contests!
[07:52] <dholbach> :-P
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[07:53] <Mez> and now I'm immortalised in KDE's logs with a misspelt name
[07:54] <Mez> dholbach, wouldnt you complain if you were called "Daniel Holeback" ?
[07:54] <dholbach> Mez: you don't want to know how often they spell me 'Holback'
[07:54] <Mez> ;)
[07:54] <Mez> and I bet you dont like it ;)
[07:54] <dholbach> or after i got my holba.ch domain, I'm "Daniel Holba"
[07:55] <Mez> lol
[07:55] <dholbach> pffft, I normally have more urgent matters to cope with :)
[07:56] <Mez> ;) atm I dont ;) cause I have no net
[07:56] <dholbach> ...
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[07:56] <dholbach> see you!
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[08:05] <rick_> there's a major problem with cups, I follow a tip, on the bug pad page, to fix the setup a new printer issue.. and now printer setting keeps crashing
[08:07] <rick_> hello
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[08:28] <oslo> hi i'm updating from dapper to edgy right now
[08:29] <oslo> i see there is 25 package remaining *upgradable* and i notice that "xorg" package wasn't install, is it alright for i reeboot ??
[08:32] <oslo> here the 25's http://paste-bin.com/942
[08:33] <Mez> oslo, you done a dist-upgrade ?
[08:34] <oslo> yes
[08:34] <oslo> update upgrade dist-upgrade, in each order
[08:35] <Mez> dselect-upgrade
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[08:36] <oslo> Mez"> sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade" ???
[08:38] <Mez> ;)
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[08:41] <oslo> Mez> its better now only 6 left :p
[08:41] <rick_> cups please
[08:41] <Mez> now try the other 2 again
[08:42] <oslo> already tried, 2 after update upgrade dist-upgrade & then dist-upgrade
[08:43] <Mez> what packages lefT? 
[08:43] <oslo> http://paste-bin.com/944
[08:45] <oslo> Mez.
[08:45] <Mez> not too sure about the python stuff
[08:45] <Mez> but the x thing is just a meta-package
[08:45] <oslo> so u think i can reboot ?
[08:46] <oslo> and i ll be on edgy ? 
[08:46] <oslo> all dis done for that ?
[08:46] <Mez> I cant promise - but more than likely (maybe with a couple of broken python things)
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[08:48] <oslo> k
[08:49] <oslo> when i apt-get update have some key problems http://paste-bin.com/945 may it's because of that
[08:50] <oslo> "GPG error: http://kubuntu.org dapper Release"
[08:50] <oslo> ho dapper
[08:50] <oslo> so im trying rebooting
[08:51] <oslo> i'm cossing my fingers ....
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[08:58] <Sime> Tonio_: did you patch for the icon/detail view icons make it into edgy???
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[09:21] <Mez> i think we killed oslo
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[09:29] <oslo> i sucessed to boot
[09:29] <oslo> it was hard
[09:30] <oslo> i'm on my old kernel but on edgy, so time for lunch it exaushted me
[09:30] <oslo> ':)
[09:35] <kwwii> who wants to test a kmenu?
[09:38] <DaSkreech> Kickoff? :)
[09:40] <kwwii> DaSkreech: no, just a pic for the side bar
[09:41] <DaSkreech> There's a sidebar?
[09:41] <DaSkreech> Oh right I turned that off I think
[09:41] <kwwii> hehe
[09:44] <nuku> is there a kickoff for kubuntu yet?
[09:45] <DaSkreech> Yes. Easily installable .. .not that I know of
[09:46] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/kmenu_snap.png
[09:46] <nuku> well i compiled it but it has various suse specific stuff in it and i was to lazy to patch this all out .. like icons and yast stuff..
[09:49] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Well done. Let me go turn min ebak on
[09:54] <kwwii> DaSkreech: well, you need to get both pics (I just commited them to bzr)
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[10:02] <ryanakca> kwwii: sure
[10:03] <ryanakca> kwwii: how do I test it?
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[10:04] <kwwii> ryanakca: let me put the newest version on my server...the only way to test it is to either build the whole k-d-s package or simply copy two pics over the default ones in /usr/share/apps/kicker/pics/
[10:05] <ryanakca> I'll do the later... the former looks like too much work.. and CPU time :)
[10:05] <kwwii> ;-)
[10:06] <ryanakca> got a link?
[10:06] <ryanakca> or wait... it's in k-d-s?
[10:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: heliocastro is happy to look at ark stuff
[10:10] <kwwii> ryanakca: yepp
[10:10] <DaSkreech> kwwii: !
[10:11] <DaSkreech> I remember what I wanted to bug you about now
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[10:11] <ryanakca> kwwii: kk
[10:11] <Riddell> DaSkreech: ask him to do a logo for akademy 2007
[10:11] <DaSkreech> Do a logo for akademy 2008
[10:11] <DaSkreech> no wit
[10:11] <DaSkreech> 2007 :)
[10:11] <kwwii> I promise I will do it for 2008
[10:12] <kwwii> if you can still find me
[10:13] <DaSkreech> Heehee
[10:13] <DaSkreech> can't the usplash show the startup messages?
[10:13] <DaSkreech>  or can we have one that shows it?
[10:13] <DaSkreech>  If not by default?
[10:13] <DaSkreech>  It's very very distracting
[10:15] <kwwii> hehe
[10:16] <kwwii> I think it still can someehow
[10:16] <kwwii> no idea, really
[10:16] <kwwii> the whole point this time was to get away from them
[10:17] <DaSkreech> Well yes but it's teriibly distracting
[10:17] <DaSkreech> I can understand having it as a default
[10:17] <DaSkreech>  it makes Windows users toes feel toasty
[10:18] <DaSkreech> but having no idea what's happening during a boot makes my blood pressure hospital worthy
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[10:20] <kwwii> hehe
[10:20] <kwwii> there should be some hook to be able to go to text mode, but I guess it is not possible with the usplash
[10:20] <kwwii> the bootsplash can do it...don't blame me :p
[10:20] <DaSkreech> and after watching everyone in the room stare at the screen while the Live CD booted has made me realise it doesn't affect only me
[10:21] <DaSkreech> Well yeah I can hit escape and dot it but ... would be nice to have form AND functionality
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[10:37] <ryanakca> hmm... why can't I come back to VT7 or VT8 (X.Org)? I can go to vt1, but I can't get back, just like I can start a new X session, but I can't get back to the previous one... (btw, I'm using Ctrl-Alt-F(1-8))
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[10:39] <ryanakca> kwwii: what files do I move where?
[10:40] <ryanakca> Riddell: for an RC picture... I had seen something simillar to this a while back... dunno where... but GIMP a license plate saying 'Kubu(logo)ntu'...
[10:42] <ryanakca> Riddell: something simillar to this: http://www.acme.com/licensemaker/licenses/license_20061013134203_7916.jpg
[10:43] <ryanakca> or http://www.acme.com/licensemaker/licenses/license_20061013134256_9062.jpg
[10:45] <kwwii> ryanakca: to be honest, I have already changed it a few hundred times since then...let me tell you when I have a really perfect one
[10:45] <ryanakca> kk, I liked that last one..
[10:45] <ryanakca> kk
[10:45] <kwwii> several people mentioned that it was way too "in your face"
[10:45] <ryanakca> really? heh
[10:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: heliocastro will revu tonight, thanks for the info
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[10:47] <DaSkreech> oh Riddell is !kubuntu an issue?
[10:49] <Riddell> DaSkreech: what's that?
[10:49] <DaSkreech> !kubuntu
[10:49] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment. For more info see http://kubuntu.org for support: #kubuntu ; to install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:49] <Riddell> seems good to me
[10:49] <DaSkreech> Hmm funny
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[10:52] <Riddell> ryanakca: hmm, it's a bit US centric, and I suspect it won't have a free copying licence
[10:52] <ryanakca> Riddell: Ontari -> Canada :)
[10:52] <ryanakca> kk
[10:53] <ryanakca> I'll check for license... if it doesn't, I'll have a crack at making one this weekend :)
[10:53] <ryanakca> s/Ontari/Ontario
[10:54] <ryanakca> hmm... Maybe a 'Linux' in the place of 'Ontario', the kubuntu logo in the place of the crown, and the kubuntu motto/slogan in the place of 'Yours to discover'?
[10:56] <ryanakca> Riddell: it's 'freeware'... would that count as a 'free copying' licence? http://www.acme.com/
[10:57] <ryanakca> Riddell: aha, found their licence: http://www.acme.com/license.html ... I'm reading over it.. from what I can see, it can be redistributed
[10:59] <ryanakca> it's basicly a boiled down BSD licence saying 'Do what you want, we don't care, just don't sue us' :)
[11:08] <DaSkreech> can We have someone kicked from the chan for being an idel git?
[11:10] <ryanakca> hmm... idle git? dunno
[11:10] <DaSkreech> Twice I've come back toe hchan to find an entire page of the person disconnecting and reconnecting on three computers
[11:11] <DaSkreech> It's not distracting till you realise that nearly eveeryone disconnecting and reconnecting is the same perso nand they do it twice a minute
[11:11] <ryanakca> yeah, I don't think that's right...
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[11:27] <kwwii> ok, check out the difference between http://sinecera.de/kmenu_snap.png and http://sinecera.de/kmenu_snap2.png
[11:28] <kwwii> tell me which one is better
[11:29] <Riddell> they both look good to me :)
[11:30] <Hawkwind> I agree, they both look very nice
[11:31] <DaSkreech> I like the bolder one :)
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[11:45] <ryanakca> kwwii: I like http://sinecera.de/kmenu_snap.png :)
[11:50] <ryanakca> Riddell: so, should I use something like the ones generated by acme? or should I make an international style one with 'Kubuntu' at the top; in the middle row, KUBU(KUBUNTU LOGO)NTU; and in the last row, the kubuntu motto, or should I scrap the idea and look for something else?
[11:50] <ryanakca> s/Kubuntu at the top/Linux at the top
[11:51] <Riddell> international style one... sounds good
[11:52] <ryanakca> kk, I'll give it a crack tonight after supper, or t'morrow morning... :)
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[11:55] <DaSkreech> There should be an Ubuntu Gaming team :(
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[11:58] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: I think there is one... look on launchpad...
[12:00] <DaSkreech> There should be a >visible< Ubuntu Gaming team :(
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[12:03] <ryanakca> yeah, https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntugames ...
[12:04] <ryanakca> they should ask to have something in the forums... (dunno if they do, I haven't been on the forums for a while :-(   )
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