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lifelessjamesh: does kiko/launchpad/rosetta-view-refactoring have the right pending-merge metadata ?01:26
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mptGoooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!03:00
UbugtuNew bug: #65800 in launchpad "Staging server should obviously be a demo" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6580003:25
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Paddy_EIREhow do I change the status of a bug to "Answered" on launchpad and Assign credit where it is due?03:26
Paddy_EIREhere is the bug https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+ticket/1719 someone posted that I should do this and I wish to03:27
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vezultI would like to register a sourceforge cvs branch in launchpad. I don't really know too much about CVS, so when attempting to register the branch, and one of the required fields is the CVS "branch." As far as I know, there is only one, default branch.04:17
jameshvezult: use MAIN04:23
vezultjamesh: thanks.04:23
ajmitchjamesh: regarding that, what do we do about failed imports?04:25
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jameshajmitch: currently you need to ask ddaa about it.04:36
ajmitchalright04:37
jameshajmitch: if a CVS import previously was importing correctly but has stopped, it usually indicates that the upstream performed CVS surgery and the import needs some manual attention to get it going again04:37
ajmitchquite possibly - I went back to cutting patches out of CVS manually :)04:38
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jameshI know the rhythmbox guys were doing stupid things like moving ,v files around04:38
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jameshwhich is generally worse than copying them04:39
jameshsince you have no chance of recovering the history04:39
jamesh(copying just results in extra files existing in past revisions04:39
ajmitchI'll check with upstream to see if they've done anything silly04:39
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stubcanonical.com addresses are relaying fine...06:15
stublifeless: Did you change PQM stuff in the last few hours?06:19
lifelessyes06:20
lifelesswhats up?06:20
stublifeless: The last patch.xxx.log contains just the line 'global name 'branch' is not defined'06:20
stubAnd I received no notifications of success or failure from pqm, nor has the commits mailing list06:20
lifelesslet me check06:22
lifelessI've probably got a backtrace06:22
lifelessstub: merge went through at 11am06:25
stublifeless: are you sure? bzr log on the launchpad/devel branch shows no landing06:26
lifelessstub: yes, I'm sure.06:26
lifelessstub: the dists branch is out of date, I forgot to upate it06:27
stubdists branch?06:27
lifelessstub: you need to use /code/ now for everything; if you do a commit to the dists branch replacing the sodium home/warthogs paths with /code/ it will fix it06:27
lifelessstub: yes, /code/rocketfuel/dists/...06:28
lifelessstub: where the VCS configs are stored06:28
stubI have06:28
stubHmm06:28
lifelesslet me see06:28
lifelessnope, /home/pqm/archives/rocketfuel/dists/devel/configs/canonical.com/launchad/development is still using the old paths.06:30
lifelessI'll fix it06:30
lifelessstub: try now, it should be happier06:30
stubAhh... I understand now. I'd forgotten all about dists and config manager stuff ;)06:30
jameshlifeless: btw, would it be possible to remove bzrtools and gnarly from rocketfuel-built?  Removed branches don't seem to disapear from it06:36
lifelessjamesh: sure06:37
lifelessstub can do that as can I06:37
lifelessI'll do it now06:37
lifelessdone06:37
jameshthank you06:37
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carlosmorning08:58
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mdke_morning carlos 08:58
carlosSteveA: Hi, will you have time for a fast meeting with me?08:59
carlosabout the Guadalinex meeting09:00
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SteveAcarlos: hi09:44
SteveAyes09:44
SteveAalthough I'll be briefly away in 10 mins09:44
carlosSteveA: hi09:44
carlosSteveA: just ping me when you have time09:44
carlosI will be around the whole morning09:44
SteveAcarlos: ok09:45
carlosSteveA: thanks09:45
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SteveAgood morning _thumper_ 09:52
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SteveAcarlos: ok09:54
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SteveAmpt: morning!10:10
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UbugtuNew bug: #65868 in launchpad "Sprint attendance times should be considered local wallclock time" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6586810:50
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matthewrevellSteveA: Hi10:56
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SteveAhi matthewrevell 11:03
matthewrevellSteveA: Would you prefer to leave it until another time, as you're in the middle of a sprint?11:04
SteveAmatthewrevell: let's have a quick talk now.  Can you call me?  I'll msg you a number11:05
UbugtuNew bug: #65878 in launchpad-bazaar "Cannot View Branch Online" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6587811:46
SteveAjamesh: ping.  please write an email to Jean-Francois pointing him in a good direction for exporting bugs from roundup.11:47
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_thumper_SteveA, ping12:37
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teleniekoHi, is it possible to make the  CIA (cia.navi.cx) work with my bzr branches on launchpad ?01:42
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lucasvois there a launchpad usability team?02:50
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UbugtuNew bug: #65922 in launchpad "Linking a to a bug from a spec works but not the other way around." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6592203:05
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bradblucasvo: we have a usability genius in mpt, fwiw03:20
bradbmpt is the tom cruise of user experience03:20
bradblucasvo: so feel free to talk to him to learn more about what's going on there03:21
lucasvo!seen mpt03:25
cprovcarlos: ping03:29
carloscprov: pong03:29
cprovcarlos: hi, do you have any tests for copy_active_translations inside i-f-p ?03:30
carlosI think so03:31
carlosare you removing it?03:31
cprovcarlos: I just can't find it03:32
carloslet me check...03:32
cprovcarlos: yes, I've commented it out for now, we are going for edgy+103:32
cprovcarlos: do you see any problem ? can you run something similar later, after edgy+1 is established ?03:33
carlosyeah, I ran out of time to remove it myself03:34
carloscprov: doc/distrorelease.txt03:35
cprovcarlos: np, it's fine, I hope we can save some of the original 13 hours downtime required ;)03:35
cprovcarlos: let me see03:35
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kiko-fudhey there03:36
cprovcarlos: what would be the best, 1. purge the function and statements or 2. comment out the statements in the test ?03:37
cprovcarlos: honestly, the entire section should be in doc/initialise-from-parent.txt and the code would be moved from distrorelease.py as well, don't you think ?03:40
carloscprov: well... comment them and file a bug assigned to me to move those test to the copy-missing-translations-from-parent tests03:40
cprovcarlos: ok03:41
carloscprov: thanks03:42
carloskiko-fud: hi03:42
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cprovcarlos: well, it's more complicated then it sounded, in doc/distrorelease.txt, section "DistroRelease Translations migration", you always suppose humpy translations are in place too03:53
cprovcarlos: I'd need to let copy_active_translation completly uncovered to pass the tests in PQM03:53
cprovcarlos: something like this https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/fileFH9PFz.html03:57
cprovcarlos: which is unacceptable, IMO03:57
cprovcarlos: other approach would be making initialiseFromParent(..., copy_translations=False) and make it true only inside doc/distrorelease.txt03:58
cprovcarlos: what do you think about this ?03:59
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carloscprov: well, you can do the initial copy04:07
carloslike we do the incremental one04:07
cprovcarlos: yes, calling humpy.copyMissingTransalationFromParent(), good idea04:08
carlosand tests should work without changes04:08
lucasvompt_: ping04:08
cprovcarlos: just moving pieces around, translation related code is moved to the respective section. check if you like the file now, https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/filexp9sjd.html (the diff is a little unreadable)04:14
UbugtuNew bug: #65932 in malone "malone changes the source package name, even if there is one in the archive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6593204:15
carloscprov: The main one is to clone what we have in its parent distribution, like we did04:16
carlosbefore in this test when we created 'humpy' distribution.04:16
carloscprov: that's wrong, isn't it? you are not doing it anymore 'before'04:17
cprovcarlos: well, i-f-p runs w/o translation, it remains in the previous section, later on, in Migrating translation section, I do the initial copyMissingTranslationFrom(), the previous checks and then the original code, test works as expected, not sure it is clearer as before.04:19
carloscprov: I know04:21
carloswhat I mean is that the comment should be updated...04:21
cprovcarlos: point me to it, I can't see.04:21
carlosinstead of: The main one is to clone what we have in its parent distribution, like we did04:22
carlosbefore in this test when we created 'humpy' distribution.04:22
carlosI would just say: The main one is to clone what we have in its parent distribution.04:22
cprovcarlos: I seee04:22
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cprovcarlos: yup, just deleted the last part of the paragraph. anything other than that ?04:23
carlosI think it's fine04:24
carloscprov: thanks for handling it04:24
cprovcarlos: very nice, thank you for reviewing it ;) (ehe rs=carlos)04:24
carlos:-P04:25
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carlossee you!04:25
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jordikiko: hey, back.04:44
jordiyesterdaty was hispanic day, vacation in Spain04:44
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UbugtuNew bug: #65945 in launchpad-support-tracker "Add a "Support contact of" report to the Person context " [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6594505:50
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mdzcprov-lunch,malcc: are old .debs (no longer in the pool) kept on drescher anywhere? or only in the librarian?06:32
cprovmdz: only in librarian, you can download them via the UI06:37
mdzcprov: when I want to do something like dpkg -c on it, that is very inconvenient06:39
cprovmdz: I see, maybe we could make deathrow to move files somewhere instead of delete06:42
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mdzcprov: yes, this is what katie does06:44
mdzand then they too expire after a time06:44
UbugtuNew bug: #65957 in launchpad-support-tracker "Allow subscribing to a request while giving an answer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6595706:45
cprovmdz: uhm, additional publication state may be required, anyway, it's a good idea, can you, please, file a bug ?06:46
mdzcprov: another idea would be to have a command-line tool on drescher which would fetch the files from the librarian06:47
cprovmdz: that's is possible too, if you're ok with informing name/version by hand. Is this always a very specific investigation ?06:50
cprovmdz: maybe "queue fetch" can help you immediatelly ...06:50
mdzcprov: a common use case is to fetch the past few versions of a .deb06:55
mdzor a particular old version of a source package or .deb06:55
cprovmdz: right, check if "queue fetch -Q done name/version" work for your current use cases (maybe you need some queue info before, the use the IDs for specific source or binary fetch)06:58
mdzmaybe, but that isn't much better than browsing the web interface for each version06:59
mdzI just wondered if the files were already kept around so that we could do this kind of work quickly06:59
mdzit's less important than other issues07:00
cprovmdz: it wouldn't be easy to find an optimal time to keep files around and the reasonable disk-usage in drescher07:02
mdzcprov: we already did this with katie07:02
cprovmdz: deathrow removes around 1 G from the archive per day, but it would be fine to implement if distro-team can drive it.07:03
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kiko_good morning vietnam07:05
kiko_SteveA, ping?07:05
kiko_matsubara, ping?07:06
kiko_the.. anyone.. anyone.. great depression07:07
matsubarakiko_: pong07:07
matsubarakiko_: did you get my message?07:08
kiko_matsubara, I didn't, no07:08
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kiko-afkmatsubara, try again07:09
Mezddaa: ping07:09
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SteveAkiko-afk: yo07:16
kiko-afkhey SteveA 07:17
kiko-afkSteveA, are you listening to new age?07:17
SteveAkiko-afk: a bit early for that I think07:18
SteveAclan told me 6.30, but that mark would ping07:18
SteveAI could dial in and see if we can talk before mark arrives07:18
kiko-afkSteveA, are you busy or do you want to?07:19
SteveAsure, let's DOIT07:19
kiko-afkoh good07:19
kiko-afkI am so bored 07:19
SteveAsilence07:21
SteveAkiko-afk: i'm in07:21
kiko-afkoops07:23
kiko-afkhmm07:23
kiko-afkmy phone is dying on me07:24
SteveAffs07:31
SteveAstop walking around! ;-)07:31
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UbugtuNew bug: #65977 in malone "Private replies to bug mail 'broken' by Reply-To misuse" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6597708:01
mdke_interesting bug08:03
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mdzkiko: are build failure notifications to the uploader enabled now08:41
mdz?08:41
cprovmdz: I'm about to commit it in RF, it will be during the weekend08:52
mdzcprov: kiko told me it was only a configuration change and didn't require a code update08:52
cprovmdz: yes, but even config updates needs commit.08:53
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LaserJockI've got an interesting Malone problem, the motuscience team's +subscribedbugs page doesn't seem to be getting updated09:07
LaserJockit doesn't seem to show bugs from roughly 50000 on09:07
matsubaraLaserJock: I can see bug 58094 there in the first listing.09:10
UbugtuMalone bug 58094 in arpack "Source out of date with upstream" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5809409:10
matsubaraLaserJock: is there any specific bug that you are sure that should be in the listing that is not listed? If yes, which one?09:11
LaserJockhmm, yeah, so it must be a bit further on09:11
LaserJockbug 6596409:11
UbugtuMalone bug 65964 in pymol "Pymol does not start because of wrong python interpreter name in start script" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6596409:11
matsubarahmm LaserJock, that's a known bug09:12
matsubara"also notified" don't show up on +subscribedbugs listing09:12
LaserJockdarn09:13
LaserJockwhy is it in "also notified"09:13
bradbLaserJock: bug 61429 might interest you09:14
UbugtuMalone bug 61429 in malone "Would like to see *all* assigned/subscribed bugs" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6142909:14
mpt_bradb, I'm neither gay nor insane (as far as I know), so I'm doubtful about the Tom Cruise reference :-)09:14
mpt_lucasvo, pong09:14
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bradbLaserJock: the idea, currently, is that Malone distinguishes "direct" subscriptions from "indirect" ones, so you can signal specific interest in a bug09:14
bradbmpt: you are the star of misson: impossible :P09:15
lucasvompt: they told me that you are the usability god of launchpad?09:15
mptah-har09:15
matsubarait's also notified because motu science is probably a bug contact for that package.09:15
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lucasvompt: I got some suggestions...09:15
LaserJockbradb: but I'm looking at a teams +subscribedbugs, so they are all indirect, no?09:15
bradbLaserJock: they needn't be09:15
lucasvompt: and writing a hundred bug reports is kinda odd09:15
mptlucasvo, alas that isn't true, but maybe I can help you anyway09:15
LaserJockI would assume that setting motuscience as a bug contact for that package would but it on +subscribedbugs09:16
lucasvompt: I just wanted to know if there are any guidelines regarding consistency of the portlets09:16
LaserJockbut I need to explicitly subscribe motuscience to a bug to get it to show up there?09:17
mptlucasvo, no.09:17
mptlucasvo, people have just been piling stuff in there with <b> and <br> tags.09:17
mptHowever, they should improve soon, as I'm reviewing them all and tidying them up.09:18
bradbLaserJock: for now, the bug contact bugs are found at https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/+packagebugs09:19
mptbradb, what happened to the release management stuff you were working on?09:19
LaserJockbradb: heh, fun09:19
bradbLaserJock: when the bug i mentioned earlier is fixed, this problem will go away09:19
LaserJockreally?09:20
bradbmpt: conjoined bug tasks09:20
mptoh09:20
bradbmpt: i'm working on it more with francis right now09:20
LaserJockbut I don't care about seeing bugs for teams I belong to in my bug pages09:20
bradbmpt: it actually already landed, then unlanded.09:20
lucasvompt: and what about the position of th eboxes?09:21
LaserJockI just want to be able to go to the team's bug pages, a fix for that bug will also fix this issue?09:21
mptlucasvo, currently they follow the Mullet Rule09:21
mptThe columns on the sides are allowed to be very long, like a mullet, as long as they're roughly symmetrical09:22
bradbLaserJock: the teams bug page is the link i gave above09:23
bradbi.e. +packagebugs09:23
mptbradb, because my girlfriend looked at the stuff that you'd done before, and she asked me, "what if a bug gets nominated for a distribution release, and that release gets released without the bug being fixed, but the bug still exists when the next release is opened?"09:23
mptAnd I didn't know the answer09:23
bradbmpt: nothing09:23
bradbmpt: it's just a nomination for a release09:23
mptSorry, for "nominated" in that read "accepted"09:24
bradbbut i fear more deep analysis before it's been exposed to the real world, tbh09:24
lucasvompt: people like to have everything have it's own place. 09:24
LaserJockbradb: any timeline for fixing that? I'll write a script to process +packagebugs as a short term solution if it's going to take a while09:24
lucasvompt: for example the info box about of the project changes it's place various times. 09:24
bradbLaserJock: for them to be all on one page you mean?09:25
mptbradb, for example, mdz says "yes, we'll fix this for Edgy+1", but there turns out not to be time, and then Edgy+2 opens and the bug still exists, but it's forgotten about because it was targeted to Edgy+109:25
mptand it's not visibly open for Ubuntu-in-general any more09:25
lucasvompt: this gives users a hard time trying to remember where to click on, because the location changes.09:25
LaserJockbradb: yeah, ,+packagebugs is no good to us by itself. We have ~450 packages on there09:25
mptlucasvo, yes, it's a mess. It will improve soon, though.09:26
LaserJockbradb: I need to see the status of all the packagebugs in one place09:26
lucasvompt: so I should just write bug reports? or is there any pleace where these things are already written down?09:26
mptlucasvo, normally I would say "yes, please report bugs"09:26
matsubaraLaserJock: you might also be interested in bug 6102409:26
UbugtuMalone bug 61024 in malone "+packagebugs could have better filtering." [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6102409:26
lucasvompt: but?09:27
mptlucasvo, but in this case, I can tell you that it's unnecessary to report a bug about the position of boxes on the page, because that will soon be fixed anyway.09:27
mdzmpt: this is a discussion which needs to be had with input from the development team about how we actually work09:28
LaserJockmatsubara: ah yes, Fujitsu seems to have beat me too it09:28
mptUndoubtedly.09:28
lucasvompt: and other things?09:28
mptlucasvo, other things, sure, please report them09:28
bradbLaserJock: not sure, but i feel your pain. it's probably between kiko and BjornT to sort out priorities for when all a team's bugs can be listed on one page.09:29
mptbradb, we're going to miss your user-centredness :-)09:29
bradbmpt: the bug doesn't get forgotten about. there's still the open generic task.09:29
mpt(and your sense of humor)09:29
bradbheh09:29
bradbi will miss your user-centeredness!09:29
mptbradb, so that's how ConjoinedBugTasks will work? iirc it's not how the previous system worked09:30
bradbbtw, you should resurrect your old blog, you link-rotter09:30
bradb:P09:30
mptyeah09:30
LaserJockok, well I know you guys are really busy and all. I'll probably just create a quick script to process +packagebugs, at least until Edgy is released09:30
mptI need to write a nice letter to the guy who runs phrasewise.com asking for redirects09:30
LaserJockI actually missed out on a few important bugs because I was looking at +subscribedbugs09:30
bradbmpt: the generic bugtask (on a distribution or product) is kept in sync with the IDistribution.currentrelease or IProduct.development_focus bugtask.09:31
bradbso, when the cur release or dev focus changes, the link is broken09:31
bradbthe data flows from the generic task to the specific one09:31
bradbfor milestone, assignee, sourcepackagename, importance, and status09:31
mptNifty.09:32
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ctrlsoftAnybody here aware of a way to migrate bugs from trac to lp ?10:56
matsubaractrlsoft: jamesh is the one who wrote the migration stuff for ubuntu's bugzilla to lp and for python's sourceforge to lp. He might be able to give you some advice there, but I don't think he's current online.11:03
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ctrlsoftmatsubara: ah, thanks11:14
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