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nixternalok mdke, the replace-doctype-with.py is killing me06:44
nixternali can't load it at all..im sure i am doing something wrong as well..as i never use python, nor really never have06:44
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mdkenixternal: what's wrong?08:56
nixternalhow do i use the .py file?08:56
mdkenixternal: what I've done is put it in my path, and make it executable. That way I call it like any other command. But I suppose it's possible to call it simply using the full address to it too08:57
nixternalomg tell me how to put it in my path, and i will buy you a drink whenever we meet some day ;)08:57
mdkewell, I cheated, and copied it to /usr/bin08:57
nixternali never ever use python, only c++, kde ;)08:57
nixternallol08:57
mdkeif ~/bin is in your path, you can use that08:58
nixternalthat easy?08:58
nixternalit is in my path08:58
mdkego for it08:58
mdkethe translations are seriously error-ridden btw08:58
nixternali have seen08:59
mdkeI sent an angry email to the translators about it08:59
mdkeI'm going to talk to Danilo about whether it is possible to use the corrections we make to create updated po files and update them in Rosetta so we don't have to go through the same thing again08:59
nixternalya, i seen that..it was needed09:00
nixternalyou sent a mail out a while back telling them to leave &this_stuff; alone09:00
mdkeyeah, that's right09:01
nixternalthat is why we went and did all of the Ubuntu to &ubuntu;09:01
nixternalor vice-versa09:01
nixternalwe went from &ubuntu; to Ubuntu ;)09:02
mdkeyes. It hasn't been successful :)09:02
nixternalhehe, i seen09:02
mdkeoh well. live and learn09:02
nixternalthe hard ones are where the do </listitem>and soemthing after it09:02
nixternalotherwise, most errors are rather simple ones09:02
mdkeyeah, it may be possible to get error correction into xml2po, that would be good09:03
nixternaloh wow, that would be big time09:04
nixternalbut that would be a huge app...as most of the errors are due to them translating &thankyou; to &gracias;09:05
nixternalor the xrefs09:05
nixternalthat is the one they love to translate and screw you up with too09:05
mdke:)09:06
nixternalalright.. mdke, i got some weird xml2po errors that i will work out, but the python magic is working..i will work on some of the stuff int he kubuntu branch09:33
nixternalg'nite all09:33
mdkenight nixternal 09:36
mdkenixternal: let me know what the errors are, because that sounds like something isn't working09:37
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pepsimanmdke: any errors in the english uk translations?11:34
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dholbachHello!11:37
dholbachHow are the translations of the ubuntu-docs package coming on? Does anybody know?11:37
pepsiman07:58 < mdke> the translations are seriously error-ridden btw11:38
dholbachoh...11:39
dholbachpepsiman: what does that mean?11:39
pepsimanentities, tags were translated/moved11:40
dholbachUARG11:41
pepsimaneg "translating &thankyou; to &gracias;"11:41
dholbach*whine*11:41
dholbachare the heads of translation teams on a mailing list?11:41
pepsiman07:59 < mdke> I sent an angry email to the translators about it11:41
pepsimanI think rosetta should be able to spot when entities are modified11:42
dholbachwoah, I hope this gets fixed :-/11:42
dholbachyeah, I agree11:42
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glatzorHi Burgundavia, do you know why there are so many tabs and spaces in the menuchoice tags of the desktop guide?04:47
glatzorhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/ubuntu-docs/+pots/desktopguide/de/+translate?start=31004:47
glatzorat the bottom of the page04:47
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glatzorping mdke05:49
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Burgworkglatzor: no idea, sorry06:09
glatzormdke: is on vacations?06:11
glatzorBurgwork: mdke is on vacations? :)06:12
Burgworkno, he is back now06:12
nixternali love kernel regression06:19
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mdkeglatzor: I was at work07:43
mdkepepsiman: I haven't got to -uk yet.07:44
mdkepepsiman: unlikely though, english->english is never going to cause many problems. Only typos if anything07:48
glatzormdke: I already wrote to the doc list. There are a lot of tabs and spaces in menuchoice tags.07:48
glatzormdke: we translators can ignore this?07:48
mdkeglatzor: space between tags is no problem, yeah07:49
mdkeplease don't insert funny little carriage return signs07:49
mdkei've seen loads of those07:49
glatzormdke: copy and paste illness :)07:49
glatzormdke: I already wrote a short instruction on how to build the documentation for the German translators07:50
glatzorBut I don't have got any contact to the kubuntu-docs guys.07:50
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pepsimanmdke: I worry people will translate "color" in tags07:52
mdkepepsiman: I can't think of any such tag07:52
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pepsiman<font color=...>07:53
dholbachmdke: how's the fixing going?07:53
mdkedholbach: early days so far07:53
mdkeglatzor: we need to write such instructions for the main wiki, it's a good idea07:53
mdkepepsiman: that doesn't occur in xml, afaik07:53
mdkeat least not in our xml07:53
pepsimanmdke: ok, how about center?07:54
mdkepepsiman: nope, nothing that springs to mind07:54
pepsimanshould be ok then :)07:55
mdkedo you just do find and replace for those words?07:55
pepsimanwe use a script that does the finding, but the replacing is manual07:55
mdkeen_GB is fine for the desktopguide, just looked.07:55
dholbachhave a nice weekend07:57
mdkedholbach: you too!07:59
dholbachthanks08:00
pepsimanmdke: There are lots of ways to make mistakes in translations.  The Rosetta FAQ doesn't mention the "_n: " or "_: " strings used by KDE apps.08:09
nixternal[12:51:32]  * dholbach hugs mdke and hopes he doesn't suffer from permanent brain damage after reading &gracias; and funny little carriage return signs08:25
nixternalLOL08:25
nixternalim gonna grab a bite and start working with some replace-doctype-with.py magic ;)08:25
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claud1mdke: can you point me to a page where i can find steps to build a localized ubuntu guide?08:53
claud1a simple translate.sh doesn't seems to put all dependent files at the right place08:54
mdkeclaud1: we're updating the translate.sh scripts at the moment09:01
claud1great :-)09:02
claud1if you give ubuntu translators some steps to check validity of ubuntu-docs translations, I'm sure there're ready to help09:03
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mdkeclaud1: ok09:08
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mpt_mdke, I fixed Launchpad so copying and pasting doesn't result in little carriage return signs any more09:13
mdkempt: that's good news. Now all I need is a way to upload all the fixes I've done to rosetta...09:16
mpt"Upload File" doesn't work?09:16
mdkempt: there is no way to convert the xml back to corrected po files, afaik. I've mailed danilo to explore it09:17
nixternalmdke: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26657/09:18
nixternali get those errors09:18
mptoh, I see09:18
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mdkenixternal: whoosh. with all languages?09:20
nixternalwell, i killed the process...let me go all the way through and see if i get it for everything09:20
nixternalar, bn, ca...ya it looks like all09:22
nixternalit is a python error09:22
nixternalis there a package/module that goes along or is needed with the replace-doctype-with.py file?09:23
mdkenixternal: not that I know of. What doc is that with? I'll try it and report to the author09:24
nixternalhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26658/   <-  kubuntu desktop guide translate.sh09:25
nixternallet me try another doc and see if i have any problems09:25
mdketry server/packaging09:25
nixternalok09:25
mdkeoh hang on, don't09:26
nixternalok09:26
nixternalhehe09:26
mdkenixternal: you've called it twice in line 0909:26
nixternalgood eye09:26
nixternalfixed09:26
nixternallet me see if that does anythign09:26
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nixternalhmmm09:27
mdkealso we need to do some more tinkering in there09:28
nixternaljust a little bit ;)09:28
nixternalsed: can't read C/desktopguide-C.omf: No such file or directory09:28
nixternalthats the only error so far..so that did fix it ;)09:28
nixternalthat is an easy fix though for the kdg09:28
mdkeyes, kubuntu doesn't have -c.omf files so you don't need that09:28
mdkeok, delete line 21 as a start09:29
nixternalso far there isn't one error 09:29
mdkegreat09:29
mdkechange line 3 to:09:30
mdkemv rosetta-desktopguide po09:30
mdkefor x in po/*; do09:30
nixternalwell...we can keep the if statement in there, but have it spit something out saying "don't worry about this error" or something09:30
mdkeno, scrap lines 14-16 too09:31
nixternalfor x in mv rosetta-desktopguide/*; do09:31
mdkeno, no. Sorry. Let me paste the whole thing09:31
nixternaldone09:31
nixternalhehe09:31
nixternalor remove the entire for x and just do the mv09:31
mdkehttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26660/09:32
mdkethere it is, less confusing that way09:32
nixternali love this new pastebin..so much faster09:32
mdkeyeah, very nice indeed.09:33
mdkei've tweaked everything that needs tweaking in there, I think, so just take it like that09:33
mdkeoh shit, no I haven't, I didn't remove the dodgy line09:34
mdkehttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26662/09:34
mdkenixternal: sorry09:34
nixternallol09:34
nixternalwe are just testing right now and comitting the translate.sh files only correct?  we aren't comitting translations yet09:37
nixternalbecause from what i have seen, translations are rather bare yet for a lot of languages09:38
mdkenixternal: I've committed aboutubuntu and desktopguide for Ubuntu 09:39
mdkeI was confident they worked09:39
mdkeone of the issues is going to be ubuntu/menu-entries, I need to figure out how to make that script work with introducing another variable, the names of the xml files09:40
nixternalalrighty...got my first validity error...so it seems to be working rather well09:40
nixternalintroduction.xml:144: element xref: validity error : Syntax of value for attribute linkend of xref is not valid09:40
nixternalahh, the infamous xref ;)09:40
nixternalwhahaha, it is the same one from dapper translations as well -> unknown ID "svobodn software"09:41
nixternalhehe, easy fix09:41
nixternalmdke: what are the chances of getting HedgeMage (Susan Stewart) and pygi (Mario Danic) svn access so they can commit to the handbook as well?  they know what they are doing without a doubt10:20
nixternalhedgemage has even setup her own repo and rocked on that..so i think she can be trusted, as well as pygi10:20
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mdkenixternal: I'm wary, because you said the handbook was so broken. Still, if they only work on the edubuntu folder, I guess it can't hurt10:59
mdkebut it might be unfair to other new contributors who we haven't given access to yet11:00
nixternalunderstandable11:00
nixternalthey will only be in the handbook directory11:00
nixternalthey were just umfamiliar with the structure wise from creating from scratch..otherwise, there was no problems really with their xml, except they were a little off on structure11:01
nixternalmisuse of <sections>11:01
nixternalboth hedgemage and pygi are members, and im positive they won't be off messing with out other directories and will stick with the edubuntu related stuff11:02
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nixternalim finishing up on kubuntu desktop guide translations...these were far better than the dapper ones with mistakes11:03
nixternalthe big mistakes this time, was xrefs where they would drop the "s"11:03
nixternaland those aren't big11:03
mdkegood11:06
mdkeholy crap, the "Contributing to Ubuntu" document isn't in Rosetta11:07
nixternaldoh11:07
mdkewhat a bummer11:07
nixternali was wondering where that thing went..is that the one that andreas worked on?11:07
mdkeyes. Damn. I must never go on holiday11:08
nixternal+1 ;)11:08
nixternalif you do, make sure someone here has a little bit of insight to your brain ;)11:08
nixternallaserjock and i were trying a little bit of everything, and even got them to push us back a week11:09
mdkein this case, my brain says that there should be one pot file per document. But I didn't spot it when I got back from holiday either, so my bad too11:09
mdkewe need to get Jordan or someone to work on simplifying the packaging in ubuntu-docs, it's a pain to add each language to debian/install all the time11:17
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nixternalya it is..i have to do that for my gwenview package11:18
nixternaloh, you are on a different topic there i think11:18
nixternalfor x in po/*; do11:19
nixternal        y=$(basename ${x} .po)11:19
nixternal        echo ${y}11:19
nixternal        ../../validate.sh ${y}/desktopguide.xml11:19
nixternaldone11:19
nixternalmy "revalidate" script once im all done, just to be safe11:19
nixternalall you do is delete the middle part of the translate scripts11:19
mdkeyes, I do that sometime too11:20
nixternalalright..kubuntu desktop guide is done..i got a grasp now of the new setup, so if you want me to continue on others, just say so11:22
nixternalany chance of the documentation team going back to "biweekly" meetings in the future?11:24
nixternali was gonna add myself to the agenda to become a member as a joke, and then i read the "biweekly" part11:24
mdkebecome a member of what?11:26
nixternaldoc team11:26
nixternallike they do with CC..people add their names11:27
mdkeyou are one, aren't you?11:27
nixternalnot that i know of11:27
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nixternalnope, im still on the "member list" all the way on the bottom11:27
nixternalhmm..i see revell joined up around the same time i did..i wonder if we were in the same meeting where they wanted documentation people11:29
nixternalarg..dog is yelling..brb11:29
nixternali thought my dog had to go out..i have hardwood floors, and she can't walk on them at all...well her lazy boy usually has a rug in front of it, so she can jump up into her chair..it seem the cleaning lady forgot to put it back..so the dog was crying because she couldn't get in her lazy boy11:32
mdkenixternal: you have commit access right?11:33
nixternalya11:33
nixternali just comitted the kubuntu desktop guide translations ;)11:33
mdkeah great. Did you add the relevant languages to the Makefile?11:34
nixternalno, but i will do that now11:34
nixternali always forget that11:34
mdkethanks. I added you to people/ubuntu-doc11:34
nixternalty ;)11:34
nixternalwe don't add all of them correct?11:35
nixternalthere are only certain ones we add11:35
mdkeyes, all of them. Except "po/" which isn't a language11:36
nixternalgot it11:36
mdkeok, I'm calling it a night before I go mad11:48
nixternalheh, a little busy11:48
nixternalhehe11:48
nixternali just seen your commits for about11:49
nixternalg'nite, thanks again for the help and everything!11:49
mdkethanks to you.11:49
mdkeserver and packaging still to go. Then need to work out how the hell to do menu-entries11:49
nixternalno problem, this is fun and keeping me busy..better this than school work ;)11:49
nixternali will do some ore tonight, if possible11:50
nixternali will grab them..so if you wake up and see commits, you know i got to them ;)11:50
mdkealrighty. With anything that goes into Ubuntu, don't forget you need to add stuff to debian/install too (joy)11:51
nixternaloh ya11:51
mdkeok, night11:51
FireRabbitis this still the prefered way to set up a mirror? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Debmirror12:00

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