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lophyte!seen superm112:27
ubotusuperm1 is on IRC right now!12:27
lophytehe is?12:27
lophyteo_o12:27
superm1hehe12:27
superm1Hi12:27
lophytehehe12:28
lophytehiya12:28
lophyteI *may* get that box by the weekend..12:28
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gesernight12:32
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chillywillywtf is an "Eft" anyway?02:04
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lophytewikipedia?02:06
chillywillyEnt would've been much cooler ;)02:06
Hawkwinda newt in its terrestrial stage of development02:12
HawkwindGoogle.com and type  define:eft  :P02:12
chillywillyelectronic fund trasnfer ;)02:15
chillywillyfunds*02:15
chillywillyj/k02:15
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ajmitchtoo warm in the office today02:53
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theCorehello, all03:06
theCoredoes somebody could sync a package for me?03:06
theCoreI got a UVF exception approval, but I can't do the sync because I'm not a MOTU (yet :)03:07
pirastwhich bug report is it?03:08
pirastsubscribing ubuntu-archive should be sufficent03:09
pirasttheCore03:09
theCorebug 6453503:10
UbugtuMalone bug 64535 in libming "UVF Exception: libming (0.3beta1) -> ming (0.3.0)" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6453503:10
theCorepirast, ^03:11
pirasttheCore, it should be sufficent to subscribe ubuntu-archive, which I already did for you.. that worked for 5 uvf exceptions for me..03:11
theCorehow I do that?03:11
theCoreit's a mailing list?03:11
ajmitchtheCore: please write it up according to the sync request requirements03:11
pirastin the bug report you click on "Subscribe"03:11
theCoreoh03:12
pirasterr03:12
theCoreI get it now03:12
pirastin the bug report you click on "Subscribe Someone Else"03:12
ajmitchwhich means you have to include the debian changelog entries03:12
pirastenter ubuntu-archive in the file and press add03:12
ajmitchotherwise the archive admins will just tell you no03:12
ajmitchplease do it before you subscribe..03:12
theCoreajmitch, they're all there in the bug03:12
ajmitchno they're not03:13
ajmitchyou have the upstream changelog diff03:13
theCorewhat, I need post them explicitly?03:13
ajmitchyou need the debian/changelog entries03:13
theCoreok, I will upload them03:13
ajmitchjust paste it in, please03:14
pirastajmitch, but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/UVF does not mention it.. and it worked for me 5 times..03:14
theCoreajmitch, no diff03:15
theCoreajmitch, just the changelog?03:15
ajmitchjust the new changelog entries03:16
ajmitcheg https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pybluez/+bug/6551903:16
UbugtuMalone bug 65519 in pybluez "pybluez: 0.7-3build1 -> 0.9.1-1 - please sync from Debian" [Medium,Confirmed] 03:16
ajmitchhas the debian changelog entries03:16
theCoreajmitch, ok thanks03:16
ajmitchpirast: it really is best to just paste stuff now rather than be turned down later03:16
pirastajmitch, yeah you are right..03:16
ajmitchespecially since we're in archive freeze mode03:17
ajmitchso everything needs approved03:17
imbrandon_heya ajmitch03:17
ajmitchhey imbrandon_03:17
pirastcould anyone maybe have a look at bug 65289?03:19
UbugtuMalone bug 65289 in skribe "not installable, not buildable" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6528903:19
pirastit seems to me that we have only two solutions ; delete it from edgy or somehow fix skribe to compile with a newer bigloo version03:20
pirastwhen you have an other idea, please write it down there..03:20
pirastthanks03:20
pirast03:21.. going to bed now..03:21
pirastnight03:21
ajmitchnight03:21
theCorepirast, thanks for the help03:21
pirasttheCore, np..03:21
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ajmitchoh well03:22
theCoreI upload it the changelog03:26
theCoreI hope it will be okay03:26
ajmitchthey prefer that just the changes for the sync be pasted, but oh well03:26
ajmitchwe'll see03:26
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bddebianHeya gang03:41
ajmitchgood afternoon03:41
bddebianHeya ajmitch03:41
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chillywillyhey bddebian03:48
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bddebianHi chillywilly03:51
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ajmitch3rd party package breakage..03:58
ajmitchsigh03:58
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=== Toadstool definitively removed his name from the MV attendees list :(
Toadstoolhi everybody04:52
ajmitchToadstool: you can't go? :(04:53
Toadstoolnope, too much work04:53
ajmitchsad04:53
Toadstoolyup :(04:53
ToadstoolI swear I will go to the next one ;)04:54
Toadstoolhmm, we're in RC freeze for Universe too?04:57
ajmitchyes04:58
ajmitchso we need to know & approve uploads04:58
Toadstoolok, good to know, I was not sure, I read tfheen in a rush between 2 meetings :p04:59
Toadstool+'s mail04:59
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Toadstoolwow I love apport-retrace05:19
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BHSPitMonkeyhmm05:22
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HobbseeBHSPitMonkey: not here.  and usually in #ubuntu-devel anyway05:25
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Toadstoolhey Hobbsee05:25
BHSPitMonkeyHobbsee, he hasn't been in there, either :(05:25
Hobbseehey Toadstool05:25
ToadstoolHobbsee: dark side?05:25
HobbseeBHSPitMonkey: he's likely asleep or something then05:25
HobbseeToadstool: yeah.  like, apt ubuntu-desktop type badside05:26
BHSPitMonkeyHobbsee, for a day?05:26
ToadstoolHobbsee: haha05:26
ajmitchBHSPitMonkey: why do you need keybuk?05:26
BHSPitMonkeyI just wanted to ask him something05:26
HobbseeToadstool: i dont know if it's worth it though05:26
BHSPitMonkeyit's not as frantic as I made it out to sound05:26
ajmitchyes, like asking for him twice earlier, only a few minutes apart :)05:27
BHSPitMonkeydo what?05:28
BHSPitMonkeyoh05:28
ToadstoolHobbsee: believe me, it's worth trying :p05:28
BHSPitMonkeywell more people joined, and nobody had responded05:28
HobbseeToadstool: yeah, but for edgy, or edgy+1?05:28
ajmitchHobbsee: DO IT!!05:29
Toadstool:)05:29
Hobbseeajmitch: but...gnome is gnomelike...05:29
ToadstoolHobbsee: NOW!!05:29
Hobbseeheh05:29
ajmitchHobbsee: full of gnomy goodness!05:29
Hobbseeheh05:29
ajmitchtastes better!05:29
ajmitchworks smarter!05:30
=== Hobbsee notes that it did have some nice stuff
Hobbseelast time i tried it anyway05:30
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Toadstool:D05:31
ajmitchnice, new UWN - thanks Burgundavia :)05:36
Burgundaviaajmitch: your welcome05:36
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Burgundaviaread it and find out05:36
ajmitchoh you mentioned f-spot as well05:36
Burgundaviathe names who worked on each issue are clearly laid out05:36
ajmitchso 3 of the packages I worked on got mentioned - nice05:37
ajmitch(phpgroupware was mentioned in backports)05:37
ajmitchmake that 4, I helped with ironpython05:38
ajmitchan unusual week :)05:38
Toadstoollet's call this issue ajmitch weekly newsletter ;)05:40
ajmitchToadstool: my efforts are but a drop in the bucket compared to everyone else :)05:41
Toadstoolright.. :)05:41
Toadstoolmy efforts miss the bucket then :p05:42
ajmitchhaha05:42
ajmitchnot at all05:42
Toadstoolanyway, I am falling asleep on my keyboard, time to go to bed05:43
Toadstoolcya05:43
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ajmitchbye Toadstool05:43
ajmitchhi nictuku05:43
nictukuhello ajmitch05:44
chillywillyhi05:46
chillywillybah, this is taking a bit of time ;P05:54
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yoshiznit124would it be helpful to motu if i included my own debian/ directory in my project, or would they still have write their own packaging stuff?07:27
Hobbseeyoshiznit124: it wouldnt.  it's highly annoying07:27
yoshiznit124hmm07:27
yoshiznit124how so? and how could i make it easier for inclusion into main?07:28
yoshiznit124for the motu people, that is07:28
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yoshiznit124hobbsee, how so? and how could i make it easier for inclusion into main?07:30
Hobbsee!packagingguide07:31
ubotuThe packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources07:31
minghuayoshiznit124: you are free to put a debian/ dir in your project, but please don't put it in your released tarball07:32
yoshiznit124minghua, ok cool. the thing is i'd like to provide deb packages, but i don't have time to full-time motu07:34
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minghuayoshiznit124: sounds good, that way impatient users can use your unofficial packaging, and the Debian/Ubuntu maintainers will use your released tarball and your debian/ dir won't get in the way07:38
minghuayoshiznit124: I'd also like to ask you to make the version of your packages (debian/changelog) clearly showing that they are not from Debian/Ubuntu, thanks07:39
yoshiznit124minghua, ok07:40
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Kagoumorning08:20
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Lathiatajmitch: about?08:55
Lathiatwhen is slomo usually around?08:58
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dholbachgood morning09:10
FujitsuHey dholbach09:11
dholbachhey Fujitsu09:12
elmargolto bad that edgy is frozen :( shipping edgy with broken ipod 6thgen support just sucks :(09:17
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tepsipakkielmargol: depends how intrusive changes would be needed09:20
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tepsipakkielmargol: you mean gtkpod-0.99.8 would be needed?09:23
tepsipakkiand libgpod 0.4.009:23
tepsipakkiit just sucks that gtkpod upstream doesn't release more often ;)09:24
tepsipakkiwhat kind of a jump is it from 0.99.4 to 0.99.8 ?-)09:25
tepsipakkielmargol: you can file an UVF-exception and see how it goes09:28
elmargoltepsipakki: I think the problem is libgpod is used by a lot of applications, rhythmbox, amarok, banshee, gpodder, gtkpod...09:33
elmargolseb mentioned that the 0.4.0 version breaks API09:33
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ajmitchLathiat: slomo is away on holiday11:11
Lathiatajmitch: ah right11:12
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ajmitchhi \sh11:24
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\shmoins11:28
\shomni backup is running nicely on ubuntu dapper server ... creating a package now ,)11:29
ajmitchyay11:29
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phanaticgood afternoon01:45
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ctrlsofthi phanatic01:49
phanatichi ctrlsoft01:50
sladenyo people01:50
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ajmitchhi02:06
ajmitchsigh02:19
ajmitchI said I was going to get an early night..02:20
ajmitchbut it's past 1AM again02:20
\shhehe02:21
ajmitchnight :)02:22
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kristoghello02:24
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Tonio_hello02:49
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bddebianHeya gang03:36
lophytehowdy03:39
bddebianHello lophyte03:40
lophytehow's it going?03:41
bddebianBusy (unfortunately not with Ubuntu stuff :-( ).  You?03:41
lophytetrying to get unbuffered stream output from a child process in python03:42
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bddebianJoy :)03:43
lophyteyeah :P03:43
lophyteits a real pain.. I'm beginning to get the feeling you can't do it03:43
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superm1So, how does one sign local binary packages built by pbuilder?  It seems like you would just pass a -sa and a -k0xXXXXXX, but I'm not sure.04:58
Hobbseesuperm1: why do you want to sign a binary package?04:59
superm1i'm looking to put up a local repository05:00
superm1and wanted to sign the packages when building them for it05:00
Hobbseeah05:02
superm1I was assuming that would allieviate the authentication errors once I imported my GPG key to the keyring and used signed packages05:02
superm1makes testing things in a local network a little smoother05:02
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imbrandonno you need to sign the release file05:15
imbrandonnothing to do with the packages05:15
superm1Oh, there is no need to sign packages05:15
imbrandone.g i can put precompiled packages from you in my repo but as long as you have my key you dont get the warning05:15
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superm1oh i see.  that makes more sense anyhow05:15
imbrandoncorrect, its all in how you make the repo05:16
imbrandonpersonaly i use falcon and it takes care of all this, but i'm sure you can read the man for what ever you use to make the repo05:16
superm1well i was going to assemble this using falcon, but was having trouble finding its source05:16
superm1at least on the LP page05:16
imbrandonif you think about it the packages in the ubuntu repo are signed by many hundreds of people05:17
imbrandonbut the repo is signed by ftpmaster@ubuntu.com05:17
imbrandonits on any seveas mirror ( e.g seveas.imbrandon.com )05:17
superm1well i was thinking that possibly it signed during the build process by ftpmaster@ubuntu.com as well05:17
imbrandonin the extras component05:18
superm1oh okay great05:18
superm1thx05:18
lophyteheya superm105:18
superm1hey lophyte05:18
lophytehow's it going?05:18
superm1alright05:18
imbrandonfyi the dapper deb works fine on edgy but feel free to rebuild from source05:18
superm1is it going to make it into universe eventually?05:19
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Mezimbrandon, what's falcomn ?05:20
superm1https://launchpad.net/products/falcon05:20
imbrandonMez, a repo maintaner05:21
imbrandonbuilds and maintains and mirrors a personal repo05:21
superm1its supposed to greatly simplify the process so you dont have to manually do dpkg-scanpackages and dpkg-scansources and sign and such05:21
imbrandonlike the one on imbrandon.com ( or any of seveas's repos ) and a few others05:21
Mezimbrandon, lol - I built a signing script for repos... I believe Riddell used it for a while05:23
imbrandon;)05:24
imbrandonMez, well this was made by seveas, its actualy builds the dists and alot of other maint things05:25
imbrandonnot just signing the repo ;)05:25
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Mez;)05:29
\shhmm...export SUDO_FORCE_REMOVE=yes ; apt-get install sudo-ldap libnss-ldap libpam-ldap ldap-utils ; some magic in ldap.conf, copy one ssl pem file, adjusted /etc/pam.d all in all 5 mins and ubuntu server was inserted in our ldap user auth environment05:29
MezYEAH THIS DID TOO - IT WORKED FROM A POOL AND THEN BUIOLTS STUFF05:29
Mezdarn caps05:29
\shand no compile orgy for sudo with ldap support as on suse05:30
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superm1imbrandon, so about falcon though, what exactly is the hold up for it getting into universe?05:53
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Adri2000what's correct in english: "replace x by y" or "replace x to y" ? I think the first one is better05:55
lophytereplace x with y05:56
Adri2000ahh, ok05:56
lophyteor x was replaced by y05:56
Adri2000ok05:57
imbrandonsuperm1, seveas the upstream author dosent want it in /yet/, it will be for edgy+105:57
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superm1i see05:58
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Adri2000I need someone on amd64 to try to build a package, please :)06:04
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Adri2000someone on amd64: apt-get source djplay, and apply the debdiff http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/djplay_0.3.0-0ubuntu2.debdiff, if it builds and works, it's good :)06:15
superm1Adri2000, I can queue her up06:15
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Adri2000superm1: sorry, I don't understand what you mean :s06:25
superm1Adri2000, I started a build for it on my amd64 box at home06:25
superm1Adri2000, I'm at work though, so 'll be able to tell you if it builds, but if its not text based i cant check how well it runs06:26
Adri2000ok, yes it's gui based, but if it builds it's already a good point, thank you :)06:27
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superm1Not a problem06:28
superm1:006:28
superm1is it a big build?06:28
Adri2000https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/djplay/+builds?build_state=all :p06:29
superm1k good.06:29
superm1No it did error out06:30
Adri2000ah :(06:30
superm1let me make a pastebin of where it errored06:30
finalbeta(I might be in the wrong channel, if so, send me packing in the right way). I'm writing a spec, but I'm an end user. looking for someone who is willing to have a look at it and say if it's even sane or on the right way. ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PartitionConfigure )06:30
superm1http://pastebin.arslinux.com/391406:30
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Adri2000ahhhhhhhhh, shame on me, I forgot to patch one line06:32
superm1hehe06:32
Adri2000superm1: should be ok now, the debdiff is at the same adress06:36
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tucozdoes neutrinomass hang around here some time?06:45
tucoz\sh_away, hi,i see that you created the nedit package for edgy. The problem is that nedit does not work in edgy as described in this bug report https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/nedit/+bug/5780806:50
UbugtuMalone bug 57808 in nedit "nedit does not start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 06:50
tucozthe reason that i come here, is that there has been little movement wrt that bug lately.06:53
Adri2000superm1 gone :( anyone else on 64 bits ?06:57
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superm1Adri2000, looks to have built fine this time06:59
Adri2000great :) thanks again07:00
superm1not a problem, glad to help :)07:01
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Adri2000dholbach: ping :)07:08
dholbachAdri2000: pong!07:08
Adri2000dholbach: http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/djplay_0.3.0-0ubuntu2.debdiff is that ok for upload?07:09
dholbachAdri2000: tested on amd64?07:09
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Adri2000superm1 just said it builds, and someone on the upstream mailing list who gave me the original patch says it builds and it works. And Gloubiboulga and me tested on x86, it still builds and works :)07:11
dholbachok07:11
dholbachgo ahead07:11
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Adri2000ok, cool :))07:12
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dholbachhave a nice weekend07:57
Q-FUNKdholbach: :)08:00
Q-FUNKdholbach: sync request on planner done.08:00
dholbachi saw it08:00
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ajmitchmorning09:08
lophyteheya09:08
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Q-FUNK*yawn*09:09
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lophyte!seen superm109:24
ubotuI last saw superm1 (n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1) 48m 57s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection09:24
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finalbetaDon't know if this is the right channel, so sry if no. I'm writing a spec about a feature that would let ubuntu handle adding of physical drives/ mounting of partitions for end desktop users. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PartitionConfigure if you have some time, please have a read, tell me if it's possible, change edit scratch etc. thnx10:55
ajmitchok,  how is it different from the disks admin tool that is/was in the admin menu?10:56
ajmitchlooks like it could be useful though, especially with things like the UUID-based mounting we have that confuses people10:57
finalbetathe forums already have several questions about those uuid's, they didn't make it any less confusing.10:57
finalbetaThis would just notice that the layout has changed, and offer some standard choises in a GUIish way. This would keep the users away from fstab.10:58
finalbetaWell, away... Would make linux less scaring for new users :p10:59
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finalbetaI think at first it could stay simple and just detect new local file systems that could be mounted, and auto mount them if the user wants.11:02
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