[12:17] <EmxBA> Burgwork: let me confirm it...will *only* loco teams get cds for free or everyone?
[12:17] <nixternal> ya im here..sorry
[12:17] <Burgwork> for edgy, just loco teams
[12:17] <Burgwork> dapper cds will continue to be free
[12:17] <nixternal> got a phone call right as you said my name...and then i forgot till i seen the yellow highlight
[12:17] <EmxBA> i know that
[12:18] <EmxBA> so pygi should send me one cd 'cause my connection is bandwidth-limited. :P
[12:18] <nixternal> only locos get them for free for edgy *500 count*
[12:18] <EmxBA> yay that's a lot
[12:18] <nixternal> hehe
[12:18] <nixternal> well, edgy wasn't meant to be the next LTS..edgy is nothign more than the foundation for future releases
[12:19] <HedgeMage> nixternal: don't be sorry :)  You're allowed to have a life :P
[12:19] <nixternal> oh now i can have a life ;)
[12:19] <HedgeMage> nixternal: Only because you promised me SVN access :P
[12:19] <nixternal> hehe
[12:19] <pygi> nixternal: not really, that's just a figure of speech :P
[12:20] <nixternal> im working on the "Edubuntu Handbook Management Control Center" ;)
[12:20] <nixternal> oooh it will be awesome when it is done..and easy to use, I hope ;)
[12:21] <HedgeMage> nixternal: What useful work can I be doing now that won't screw up what you're working on?
[12:21] <nixternal> anything
[12:21] <nixternal> im working local here, so your are fine to do whatever
[12:22] <nixternal> what im working on is just a management system for chapters and what not...hopefully only take me an hour or so to complete
[12:22] <nixternal> then once that is finished, im sure you will have to hack away at it a little for a clearer perspective
[12:22] <HedgeMage> nixternal: sounds good :)
[12:23] <adrian__> Sounds all cool. Can you recommend a reader to read the xml in a readable format. I have looked at the hand book in Kate and OOo but I am only seeing the code version, Yes I can read that but there should be a way to ready it as a normal user?
[12:23] <nixternal> adrian, that is the way it is
[12:23] <nixternal> ummm...actually
[12:23] <nixternal> if you are using ubuntu, you can use Yelp to view what it will look like
[12:24] <adrian__> Kewl, will take a peek ;) thx
[12:24] <nixternal> all you do is in a command line 'yelp Edubuntu-Handbook.xml
[12:24] <nixternal> and it will open it up for you to move about in...the structure isn't there, but you can see what needs what
[12:33] <Burgwork> anybody who has done nfs-mounted home directories here?
[12:35] <nixternal> i used to do it
[12:36] <nixternal> until my nfs system went down and rendered my system(s) useless
[12:36] <nixternal> imbrandon does them and swears by them..but look at him now on his super tough ibook ;)
[12:37] <Burgwork> nixternal: how do I deal with permissions?
[12:37] <Burgwork> who needs to own the /home/foo directories on the server?
[12:37] <nixternal> foo
[12:37] <Burgwork> so I need user accounts on the server for each person?
[12:38] <nixternal> that is how i did it, dunno if there is an easier way of going about it
[12:38] <Burgwork> right
[12:38] <nixternal> i followed a howto on the wiki
[12:38] <pygi> bla*
[12:38] <Burgwork> pygi: sorry, I don't understand what you doing
[12:39] <pygi> ah, ok, nevermind
[12:41] <Burgwork> oh, ugh
[12:41] <Burgwork> UIDs much match
[12:41] <HedgeMage> nixternal: I just finished sifting through the handbook stuff in ubuntu-doc... it looks really good, and is a LOT easier to understand than the auto-generated mess we started out with (and the bigger mess that grew out of it)
[12:41] <nixternal> hehe
[12:42] <nixternal> it will shrink as we go along as well
[12:42] <nixternal> it will clean itself up
[12:42] <HedgeMage> Cool :)
[12:47] <adrian__> OK, still floundering but need sleep. I will follow up again in the morning, its near midnight here. Thx again all :)
[12:49] <Burgwork> nixternal: did you use nis and ldap on that?
[12:49] <Burgwork> s/and/or
[12:49] <nixternal> i seriously cannot remember
[12:50] <nixternal> actually...if you used ldap, i think that might make the task of usernames much easier to control
[12:50] <Burgwork> yes, because then I have the clients auth
[01:29] <Burgwork> ok, setting up ldap sucks
[01:33] <mhz> moin all
[01:37] <PupUser-c7f90a> greetings...newbie here looking for wireless help...shows connected, but no IP & of course no inet
[02:27] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuHandbook/Management
[02:27] <nixternal> HedgeMage: ^^
[02:27] <nixternal> that is the idea...lil more work and she will be good...im gonna go get a pizza
[02:27] <nixternal> bbiab
[02:28] <Amaranth> "new Parental Controls [...]  for content filtering, apps, and curfews"
[02:28] <Amaranth> that's for OS X Leopard
[02:28] <Amaranth> crap
[02:28] <nixternal> jsjs
[02:28] <nixternal> doh
[02:28] <nixternal> ahaha
[02:53] <Burgwork> Amaranth: can willowng do timebased control?
[02:53] <Amaranth> no
[02:54] <Amaranth> it's a good idea though
[02:54] <Amaranth> Although you would want to block all access to the computer, I would think.
[02:54] <Amaranth> Not just web access
[02:54] <Burgwork> yep
[02:54] <Burgwork> I am saddened that teh SoC project on SafetyBoat went nowhere
[02:55] <Burgwork> federico at Novell is working on time and access control, amongst other adminy type things
[03:02] <EmxBA> anyone alive?
[03:02] <EmxBA> it's 03:02 :/
[03:04] <keltorsori> alive
[05:02] <lguerra> RichEd: ping
[05:14] <samuel> if I do sudo apt-get install edubuntu for the kid's will that just install another desktop session? or will i lost my standard ubuntu?
[05:16] <HedgeMage> samuel: it will make the edubuntu look the default, but you can change to whatever look you want.  Other than that, it just adds a few educational packages.
[05:16] <HedgeMage> samuel: the original ubuntu stuff is all still there.
[05:17] <samuel> thanks
[05:17] <HedgeMage> np :)
[05:17] <samuel> I have three kid's and figured they would get use out of it
[06:04] <HedgeMage> :)
[06:05] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuHandbook/Management
[06:05] <nixternal> ;)
[06:07] <HedgeMage> nixternal: cool :)
[06:08] <nixternal> something like that will work?
 nixternal~ did you talk to HedgMage recently?
[06:10] <nixternal> do you know that guy?
[06:10] <nixternal> kid i should say
[06:11] <nixternal> he knows how to get under a fingernail and just dig
[06:15] <HedgeMage> Yes, I know him.
[06:15] <HedgeMage> long story.
[06:16] <HedgeMage> nixternal: you're welcome to tell him I'm usually in here or #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:16] <nixternal> i rather not
[06:16] <nixternal> he is in #ubuntu-chicago
[06:16] <HedgeMage> heh
[06:16] <HedgeMage> ahh
[06:16] <nixternal> i can't take anymore of that
[06:16] <nixternal> hehe
[06:16] <nixternal> he lives right up the road actually
[06:16] <nixternal> the way i like it
[06:16] <HedgeMage> He's not so bad... you just have to let him know what is and isn't acceptable behavior.
[06:17] <nixternal> ya, so he knows how to push up to the line...i let him know from day one...i have him on a leash, he knows not to mess with me
[06:17] <nixternal> i made the boundaries rather tight..he has gotten much better though i must say
[06:18] <HedgeMage> He just needs clear boundaries.
[06:21] <nixternal> heh, forget clear, i painted them for him the first night i dealt with him..i brought in my irssi bofh script and left him on op ;)
[06:21] <nixternal> he has more ghosts on this server because of all the bans he has been through..but i think the chicago team is starting to mold him into a future hacker actually
[06:25] <HedgeMage> lol
[06:37] <HedgeMage> nixternal: bbiab TT calls
[06:37] <nixternal> hehe k
[06:47] <HedgeMage> back :)
[06:48] <nixternal> thanks for the warning
[06:48] <HedgeMage> :P
[07:22] <Javier_Electrico> hello
[07:27] <nixternal> woohoo, translations are done!
[07:27] <nixternal> not for us yet though ;)
[07:29] <HedgeMage> hehe :)
[07:36] <nixternal> does edubuntu have an oem-config as well?
[07:36] <nixternal> i didn't pay attention on my install earlier
[07:37] <Burgundavia> nixternal: yes
[07:40] <nixternal> ok, that is something else that will need to get added to the handbook as well...that also should have been added to edgy docs but wasn't
[07:40] <nixternal> that is pretty much a feature not many people even know about
[07:47] <nixternal> im wondering about how we should structure the handbook xml
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[07:47] <nixternal> or just
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[07:48] <Burgundavia> the least amount of xml you produce, the better
[07:48] <nixternal> well, least amount you mean the last amount of files
[07:48] <nixternal> either way will be about the same amount of xml
[07:48] <nixternal> i think it is best to do
[07:49] <nixternal> Part I: Introduction as 1 xml file.  It coverst "About this Book", "The Ubuntu Philosophy", "Edubuntu", "Choosing The Correct Install Type", "Basic Concepts: Networks & Networking"
[07:49] <Burgundavia> also consider what is easiest for people when they move sections around
[07:49] <Burgundavia> personally I hate docbook and would rather nto use it
[07:50] <nixternal> easiest would be 26 to 30 xml files
[07:50] <nixternal> docbook rules
[07:50] <nixternal> 1 xml file for each chapter...easier to get a bunch of people in there and working
[07:51] <Burgundavia> if you think docbook rules, you are mad
[07:51] <Burgundavia> it is powerful but very arcane and hard to see
[07:51] <nixternal> ya, i think if we have 1 xml file for each chapter right now..that will be easiest for people to edit, and then at the end bring them all together into chapters
[07:52] <nixternal> i want to rename each file, beginning with the part# they will fall in...for instance 'p1-about.xml' , p1-philosophy.xml , p1-edubuntu.xml and so on
[07:52] <nixternal> they will be easier to seperate and pick out that way for people not up on svn and what not
[08:14] <nixternal> HedgeMage: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26713/  <- that is my layout idea
[08:15] <nixternal> actually, i think the 'partone-partfour'.xml files are not needed...i should i have just done part1 to part4 headings there
[08:17] <HedgeMage> nixternal: looks pretty good... is there no way to seperate the LTSP and Standalone parts into pre-install, install, and post-install chunks ?
[08:17] <nixternal> sure
[08:17] <nixternal> p2-pre-filename.xml
[08:17] <nixternal> p2-post-filename.xml
[08:17] <nixternal> something like that
[08:18] <HedgeMage> that would work fine, then I'm sure we can do something with the book itself so it looks nice in print.
[08:18] <nixternal> when they are called though in the handbook.xml file though, it will be chunked like that
[08:18] <HedgeMage> that's what's important, then
[08:18] <nixternal> ya
[08:18] <nixternal> seperation in the p1-filename.xml is good...and when called into the handbook.xml it will have the proper layout
[08:18] <HedgeMage> our docpeople are smart, I just want the seperation for our readers (not that they aren't smart, but the material will be new/foriegn to many of them)
[08:19] <HedgeMage> nixternal: cool
[08:19] <nixternal> it will layout similar to the ubuntu or kubuntu desktop guides actually
[08:23] <nixternal> hehe
[08:55] <toel> hai all friend
[08:55] <toel> im' ronny from indonesia
[05:08] <dudanogueira> hello there! will the cookbook be translated to others languages?
[05:09] <pygi> dudanogueira: yes, if people volunteer to do so :)
[05:10] <dudanogueira> pygi, i would like to help on brazilillian translations, if possible.
[05:10] <dudanogueira> it will be translated from rosetta?
[05:11] <pygi> dudanogueira: the edubuntu cookbook won't be translatable from Rosetta
[05:11] <dudanogueira> i just saw the post on planet.ubuntu.com
[05:11] <pygi> we are currently working on "Edubuntu Handbook" for edgy and I believe that will be translatable from Rosetta
[05:11] <dudanogueira> suuuuuuuuuuure, its the hand book, sorry :)
[05:12] <dudanogueira> great! ill search for it and bring some more voluteers for translating this document. pygi thank you!
[05:13] <pygi> dudanogueira: you are welcome
[05:13] <pygi> feel free to ask if you need help with anything
[05:13] <dudanogueira> had to go now. but ill come back latter
[05:13] <dudanogueira> ok, thank ya!
[05:47] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:55] <pygi> hey ho bddebian :)
[05:56] <bddebian> Hello pygi
[05:56] <pygi> how is you?
[05:59] <bddebian> OK I guess, thanks.  You?
[06:03] <pygi> extremly tired
[06:03] <pygi> haven't slept for more then 3 hours every night this week
[06:40] <Javier_Electrico> hello
[07:04] <pygi> hey cbx33, Yagisan 
[07:04] <cbx33> hey pygi 
[07:04] <Yagisan> G'day pygi 
[07:05] <cbx33> hi Yagisan 
[07:06] <cbx33> long time no see
[07:06] <Yagisan> cbx33, exams monday thats why
[07:06] <cbx33> ahhh
[07:07] <pygi> Yagisan: oh, my exams Friday .... I think :)
[07:08] <pygi> will fail them, but whateva :P
[07:08] <Yagisan> Firday is my last exam
[07:08] <Yagisan> O_O
[07:08] <Yagisan> oh dear - can't type english - not enough caffeine
[07:12] <pygi> Yagisan: :)
[07:14] <Yagisan> pygi, my kettle broke on friday
[07:14] <Yagisan> I only got a new one today
[07:14] <Yagisan> er yseterday lat evening actually
[07:14] <Yagisan> and it's sunday now
[07:14] <pygi> oh :P
[07:14] <Yagisan> so thats 2 days with no coffee
[07:15] <Yagisan> and 2 very very energetic children
[07:15] <pygi> :P :P :P
[07:15] <Yagisan> my brain feels like mush
[07:15] <pygi> well, as I said above, I haven't slept for more then 3 hours every night this week
[07:15] <pygi> and that will continue in the future as well
[07:17] <Yagisan> oh oh , and this was good too
[07:18] <Yagisan> today ws the 3rd day of above 35 degree tempretures in the city
[07:18] <pygi> o joy
[07:18] <Yagisan> being in the boondocks
[07:18] <pygi> here it's cold :-/
[07:18] <Yagisan> I'm about 4 degrees hotter
[07:18] <Yagisan> so it's ~40 outside, and somewhat hotter inside
[07:19] <Yagisan> and suddenly all 3 pcs started going beep-beep-beep beep-beep-beep beep-beep-beep
[07:19] <Yagisan> O_O
[07:19] <pygi> !!!
[07:19] <pygi> I have 5 heatsinks for that purpose :)
[07:19] <Yagisan> pygi - it's is a veritable windfarm in here
[07:20] <Yagisan> and they still all tripped the overheat alarm
[07:20] <Yagisan> and dropped off the net
[07:20] <pygi> oh!!!
[07:27] <Yagisan> argh - I tried to tab complete grep
[07:27] <pygi> :P
[07:27] <Yagisan> it had to beep 3 times before I realised :(
[07:28] <cbx33> sorry
[07:28] <cbx33> got some new leads so I can hook in the effects unit
[07:28] <cbx33> :)
[07:28] <cbx33> brb - kernel testing
[07:35] <cbx33> ping Amaranth 
[07:39] <pygi> hey nixternal 
[07:48] <nixternal> is the whole firefox logo thing that big of a deal?
[07:48] <nixternal> im sick of seeing the mailing lists flooded with it
[07:49] <nixternal> hiya pygi, btw ;)
[08:13] <pygi> nixternal: :)
[11:24] <keltorsori> any edubuntu wizards here?
[11:26] <pygi> keltorsori: how may I help you?
[11:27] <keltorsori> i've got two NICs, my clients are connected to eth1 on the 192.168.0.xxx subnet. eth0 is my net connection with an IP of 192.168.1.10, how in the world can i get my clients online. there was a wiki article on this but i can't for the life of me find it
[11:30] <pygi> or read this perhaps: http://edubuntu.com/GettingStarted
[11:35] <keltorsori> really only covers the first nic