[12:17] Burgwork: let me confirm it...will *only* loco teams get cds for free or everyone? [12:17] ya im here..sorry [12:17] for edgy, just loco teams [12:17] dapper cds will continue to be free [12:17] got a phone call right as you said my name...and then i forgot till i seen the yellow highlight [12:17] i know that [12:18] so pygi should send me one cd 'cause my connection is bandwidth-limited. :P [12:18] only locos get them for free for edgy *500 count* [12:18] yay that's a lot [12:18] hehe [12:18] well, edgy wasn't meant to be the next LTS..edgy is nothign more than the foundation for future releases [12:19] nixternal: don't be sorry :) You're allowed to have a life :P [12:19] oh now i can have a life ;) [12:19] nixternal: Only because you promised me SVN access :P [12:19] hehe [12:19] nixternal: not really, that's just a figure of speech :P === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-4-111.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:20] im working on the "Edubuntu Handbook Management Control Center" ;) [12:20] oooh it will be awesome when it is done..and easy to use, I hope ;) === HedgeMage grins at nixternal [12:21] nixternal: What useful work can I be doing now that won't screw up what you're working on? [12:21] anything [12:21] im working local here, so your are fine to do whatever [12:22] what im working on is just a management system for chapters and what not...hopefully only take me an hour or so to complete [12:22] then once that is finished, im sure you will have to hack away at it a little for a clearer perspective [12:22] nixternal: sounds good :) [12:23] Sounds all cool. Can you recommend a reader to read the xml in a readable format. I have looked at the hand book in Kate and OOo but I am only seeing the code version, Yes I can read that but there should be a way to ready it as a normal user? [12:23] adrian, that is the way it is [12:23] ummm...actually [12:23] if you are using ubuntu, you can use Yelp to view what it will look like [12:24] Kewl, will take a peek ;) thx [12:24] all you do is in a command line 'yelp Edubuntu-Handbook.xml [12:24] and it will open it up for you to move about in...the structure isn't there, but you can see what needs what === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEE038.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:33] anybody who has done nfs-mounted home directories here? [12:35] i used to do it [12:36] until my nfs system went down and rendered my system(s) useless [12:36] imbrandon does them and swears by them..but look at him now on his super tough ibook ;) [12:37] nixternal: how do I deal with permissions? [12:37] who needs to own the /home/foo directories on the server? [12:37] foo [12:37] so I need user accounts on the server for each person? [12:38] that is how i did it, dunno if there is an easier way of going about it [12:38] right [12:38] i followed a howto on the wiki === pygi recommends at least /home/others/usermame-bla if not /home2/username-nla [12:38] bla* [12:38] pygi: sorry, I don't understand what you doing [12:39] ah, ok, nevermind [12:41] oh, ugh [12:41] UIDs much match [12:41] nixternal: I just finished sifting through the handbook stuff in ubuntu-doc... it looks really good, and is a LOT easier to understand than the auto-generated mess we started out with (and the bigger mess that grew out of it) [12:41] hehe [12:42] it will shrink as we go along as well [12:42] it will clean itself up [12:42] Cool :) === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [12:47] OK, still floundering but need sleep. I will follow up again in the morning, its near midnight here. Thx again all :) [12:49] nixternal: did you use nis and ldap on that? [12:49] s/and/or [12:49] i seriously cannot remember [12:50] actually...if you used ldap, i think that might make the task of usernames much easier to control [12:50] yes, because then I have the clients auth [01:29] ok, setting up ldap sucks === mhz [n=mhz@143-24-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [01:33] moin all === mhz is now known as mhz_work === PupUser-c7f90a [n=PupUser-@ip70-162-109-15.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:37] greetings...newbie here looking for wireless help...shows connected, but no IP & of course no inet === jono [n=jono@88-107-14-218.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu === PupUser-c7f90a [n=PupUser-@ip70-162-109-15.ph.ph.cox.net] has left #edubuntu [] [02:27] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuHandbook/Management [02:27] HedgeMage: ^^ [02:27] that is the idea...lil more work and she will be good...im gonna go get a pizza [02:27] bbiab [02:28] "new Parental Controls [...] for content filtering, apps, and curfews" [02:28] that's for OS X Leopard [02:28] crap [02:28] jsjs [02:28] doh [02:28] ahaha [02:53] Amaranth: can willowng do timebased control? [02:53] no [02:54] it's a good idea though [02:54] Although you would want to block all access to the computer, I would think. [02:54] Not just web access [02:54] yep [02:54] I am saddened that teh SoC project on SafetyBoat went nowhere [02:55] federico at Novell is working on time and access control, amongst other adminy type things === EmxBA [n=root@SE400.PPPoE-4089.sa.bih.net.ba] has joined #edubuntu [03:02] anyone alive? [03:02] it's 03:02 :/ [03:04] alive === neurogeek_ [n=neurogee@201.208.187.154] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@205.Red-83-56-149.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === neurogeek_ [n=neurogee@201.208.187.154] has joined #edubuntu === cafuego [n=cafuego@59.167.191.160] has joined #edubuntu === freet15 [n=freet15@221.221.153.15] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === lguerra [n=lguerra@200.119.34.75] has joined #edubuntu [05:02] RichEd: ping === samuel [n=samuel@219-89-14-36.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #edubuntu [05:14] if I do sudo apt-get install edubuntu for the kid's will that just install another desktop session? or will i lost my standard ubuntu? [05:16] samuel: it will make the edubuntu look the default, but you can change to whatever look you want. Other than that, it just adds a few educational packages. [05:16] samuel: the original ubuntu stuff is all still there. [05:17] thanks [05:17] np :) [05:17] I have three kid's and figured they would get use out of it === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AED8F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:04] :) [06:05] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuHandbook/Management [06:05] ;) [06:07] nixternal: cool :) [06:08] something like that will work? [06:10] nixternal~ did you talk to HedgMage recently? [06:10] do you know that guy? [06:10] kid i should say [06:11] he knows how to get under a fingernail and just dig [06:15] Yes, I know him. [06:15] long story. [06:16] nixternal: you're welcome to tell him I'm usually in here or #ubuntu-offtopic [06:16] i rather not [06:16] he is in #ubuntu-chicago [06:16] heh [06:16] ahh [06:16] i can't take anymore of that [06:16] hehe [06:16] he lives right up the road actually [06:16] the way i like it [06:16] He's not so bad... you just have to let him know what is and isn't acceptable behavior. [06:17] ya, so he knows how to push up to the line...i let him know from day one...i have him on a leash, he knows not to mess with me [06:17] i made the boundaries rather tight..he has gotten much better though i must say === HedgeMage nods [06:18] He just needs clear boundaries. [06:21] heh, forget clear, i painted them for him the first night i dealt with him..i brought in my irssi bofh script and left him on op ;) [06:21] he has more ghosts on this server because of all the bans he has been through..but i think the chicago team is starting to mold him into a future hacker actually [06:25] lol [06:37] nixternal: bbiab TT calls [06:37] hehe k [06:47] back :) [06:48] thanks for the warning [06:48] :P === Javier_Electrico [n=javier@pc-199-100-239-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:22] hello === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@220.226.37.175] has joined #edubuntu [07:27] woohoo, translations are done! [07:27] not for us yet though ;) [07:29] hehe :) === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [07:36] does edubuntu have an oem-config as well? [07:36] i didn't pay attention on my install earlier [07:37] nixternal: yes === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.107.98] has joined #edubuntu [07:40] ok, that is something else that will need to get added to the handbook as well...that also should have been added to edgy docs but wasn't [07:40] that is pretty much a feature not many people even know about [07:47] im wondering about how we should structure the handbook xml [07:47] [07:47] or just [07:47] [07:48] the least amount of xml you produce, the better [07:48] well, least amount you mean the last amount of files [07:48] either way will be about the same amount of xml [07:48] i think it is best to do [07:49] Part I: Introduction as 1 xml file. It coverst "About this Book", "The Ubuntu Philosophy", "Edubuntu", "Choosing The Correct Install Type", "Basic Concepts: Networks & Networking" [07:49] also consider what is easiest for people when they move sections around [07:49] personally I hate docbook and would rather nto use it [07:50] easiest would be 26 to 30 xml files [07:50] docbook rules [07:50] 1 xml file for each chapter...easier to get a bunch of people in there and working [07:51] if you think docbook rules, you are mad [07:51] it is powerful but very arcane and hard to see [07:51] ya, i think if we have 1 xml file for each chapter right now..that will be easiest for people to edit, and then at the end bring them all together into chapters [07:52] i want to rename each file, beginning with the part# they will fall in...for instance 'p1-about.xml' , p1-philosophy.xml , p1-edubuntu.xml and so on [07:52] they will be easier to seperate and pick out that way for people not up on svn and what not [08:14] HedgeMage: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26713/ <- that is my layout idea [08:15] actually, i think the 'partone-partfour'.xml files are not needed...i should i have just done part1 to part4 headings there === HedgeMage takes a peek [08:17] nixternal: looks pretty good... is there no way to seperate the LTSP and Standalone parts into pre-install, install, and post-install chunks ? [08:17] sure [08:17] p2-pre-filename.xml [08:17] p2-post-filename.xml [08:17] something like that === HedgeMage nods [08:18] that would work fine, then I'm sure we can do something with the book itself so it looks nice in print. [08:18] when they are called though in the handbook.xml file though, it will be chunked like that === HedgeMage nods [08:18] that's what's important, then [08:18] ya [08:18] seperation in the p1-filename.xml is good...and when called into the handbook.xml it will have the proper layout [08:18] our docpeople are smart, I just want the seperation for our readers (not that they aren't smart, but the material will be new/foriegn to many of them) [08:19] nixternal: cool [08:19] it will layout similar to the ubuntu or kubuntu desktop guides actually === HedgeMage hasn't seen them, so she has no clue if that's a good or bad thing :P [08:23] hehe === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-165-199-190.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === toel [n=toel@202.43.174.113] has joined #edubuntu [08:55] hai all friend === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@220.226.24.229] has joined #edubuntu [08:55] im' ronny from indonesia === jbrefort [n=jean@lns-bzn-29-82-248-206-211.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=mario@83-131-29-96.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@lns-bzn-29-82-248-206-211.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === Elpis [i=steffan@unaffiliated/cadet/bot/elpis] has joined #edubuntu === jono [n=jono@88-107-14-218.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@205.Red-83-56-149.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@easyubuntu/docteam/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@easyubuntu/docteam/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu === dudanogueira [n=duda@unaffiliated/bitdoidao/x-000001] has joined #edubuntu [05:08] hello there! will the cookbook be translated to others languages? [05:09] dudanogueira: yes, if people volunteer to do so :) [05:10] pygi, i would like to help on brazilillian translations, if possible. [05:10] it will be translated from rosetta? [05:11] dudanogueira: the edubuntu cookbook won't be translatable from Rosetta [05:11] i just saw the post on planet.ubuntu.com [05:11] we are currently working on "Edubuntu Handbook" for edgy and I believe that will be translatable from Rosetta [05:11] suuuuuuuuuuure, its the hand book, sorry :) [05:12] great! ill search for it and bring some more voluteers for translating this document. pygi thank you! [05:13] dudanogueira: you are welcome [05:13] feel free to ask if you need help with anything [05:13] had to go now. but ill come back latter [05:13] ok, thank ya! === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [05:47] Howdy [05:55] hey ho bddebian :) [05:56] Hello pygi [05:56] how is you? [05:59] OK I guess, thanks. You? [06:03] extremly tired [06:03] haven't slept for more then 3 hours every night this week === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.107.98] has joined #edubuntu === Javier_Electrico [n=javier@pc-199-100-239-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:40] hello === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === Javier_Electrico [n=javier@pc-199-100-239-201.cm.vtr.net] has left #edubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] [07:04] hey cbx33, Yagisan [07:04] hey pygi [07:04] G'day pygi === Yagisan waves to cbx33 === e1mer [n=elmer@58.71.13.205] has joined #edubuntu [07:05] hi Yagisan [07:06] long time no see === e1mer [n=elmer@58.71.13.205] has left #edubuntu [] [07:06] cbx33, exams monday thats why [07:06] ahhh [07:07] Yagisan: oh, my exams Friday .... I think :) [07:08] will fail them, but whateva :P [07:08] Firday is my last exam [07:08] O_O [07:08] oh dear - can't type english - not enough caffeine [07:12] Yagisan: :) [07:14] pygi, my kettle broke on friday [07:14] I only got a new one today [07:14] er yseterday lat evening actually [07:14] and it's sunday now [07:14] oh :P [07:14] so thats 2 days with no coffee [07:15] and 2 very very energetic children [07:15] :P :P :P [07:15] my brain feels like mush [07:15] well, as I said above, I haven't slept for more then 3 hours every night this week [07:15] and that will continue in the future as well [07:17] oh oh , and this was good too [07:18] today ws the 3rd day of above 35 degree tempretures in the city [07:18] o joy [07:18] being in the boondocks [07:18] here it's cold :-/ [07:18] I'm about 4 degrees hotter [07:18] so it's ~40 outside, and somewhat hotter inside [07:19] and suddenly all 3 pcs started going beep-beep-beep beep-beep-beep beep-beep-beep [07:19] O_O [07:19] !!! [07:19] I have 5 heatsinks for that purpose :) [07:19] pygi - it's is a veritable windfarm in here [07:20] and they still all tripped the overheat alarm [07:20] and dropped off the net [07:20] oh!!! === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === lguerra [i=c9ecdf54@gateway/web/cgi-irc/gluc.unicauca.edu.co/x-51f9ee67221fa3b3] has joined #edubuntu [07:27] argh - I tried to tab complete grep [07:27] :P [07:27] it had to beep 3 times before I realised :( [07:28] sorry === cbx33 was playing with his delta 1010 [07:28] got some new leads so I can hook in the effects unit [07:28] :) [07:28] brb - kernel testing === cbx33 [n=pete@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:35] ping Amaranth === nixternal stretches, yawns, wipes his eyes, trips over the dog, and stumbles into the room [07:39] hey nixternal === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@201.215.79.34] has joined #edubuntu [07:48] is the whole firefox logo thing that big of a deal? [07:48] im sick of seeing the mailing lists flooded with it [07:49] hiya pygi, btw ;) === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [08:13] nixternal: :) === felipe__ [n=Felipe@65.170.68.191] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === JoergD [n=joerg@ACB48DD1.ipt.aol.com] has joined #edubuntu === adrian_ [n=adrian@81-6-241-172.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu === adrian_ [n=adrian@81-6-241-172.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has left #edubuntu ["Konversation] === adrian_ [n=adrian@81-6-241-172.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [11:24] any edubuntu wizards here? [11:26] keltorsori: how may I help you? [11:27] i've got two NICs, my clients are connected to eth1 on the 192.168.0.xxx subnet. eth0 is my net connection with an IP of 192.168.1.10, how in the world can i get my clients online. there was a wiki article on this but i can't for the life of me find it === pygi thinks that's iptable's task [11:30] or read this perhaps: http://edubuntu.com/GettingStarted [11:35] really only covers the first nic === JoergD [n=joerg@ACB48DD1.ipt.aol.com] has left #edubuntu [] === pygi did such implementation at one occasion, he's sure in that