[12:12] <draik> wizard, link?
[12:12] <wizard> draik: it says to put this command in but the nvidia installer reports "invalid option for -r"
[12:12] <wizard> http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Breezy
[12:12] <wizard> ahh
[12:12] <wizard> draik: its worknig now, i removed the line the guide said to use
[12:13] <draik> Youre using breezy?
[12:14] <wizard> draik: no no
[12:14] <wizard> i was using the guide to kinda give a feel at it
[12:14] <draik> oic
[12:14] <draik> kew
[12:14] <draik> Sorry for the run-around wizard
[12:14] <wizard> i don't see why its so hard to make nvidia drivers wrok on kubuntu
[12:15] <DaSkreech> OK Gotta go
[12:15] <flaccid> whoever packaged mythtv for ubuntu sux!!
[12:16] <DaSkreech> MidMark: Ah Forget it just get audacity
[12:16] <DaSkreech> flaccid: Write to them
[12:16] <flaccid> i don't who did it
[12:17] <LjL> whoever packaged mythtv worked for you for free, so you should bear a little respect even if you don't like how they packaged it >:
[12:17] <DaSkreech> Matt Zimmerman
[12:18] <flaccid> LjL: i never employed them
[12:18] <DaSkreech> flaccid: Well you can apply to fire them
[12:18] <flaccid> why would i want to do that?
[12:18] <flaccid> i just want them to fix the installation script errors
[12:19] <DaSkreech> MidMark: oh good lord that was hard to find
[12:19] <wizard> UHHHG
[12:19] <DaSkreech> http://arstechnica.com/guides/tweaks/linux-audio.ars/1
[12:19] <LjL> flaccid: then what you want is probably to file a bug...
[12:19] <LjL> !bug
[12:19] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/
[12:19] <wizard> if kubuntu can't handle something as easy as nvidia driverrs im gonna go back to suse
[12:19] <francois> i'm messing with nvidia drivers too
[12:19] <francois> its hard
[12:19] <francois> i have no idea to get er done
[12:19] <DaSkreech> wizard: Again It's a pretty easy install We just need to figure out what happened in your case :)
[12:19] <flaccid> i have one person telling to file a bug and one person telling me to contact the author
[12:20] <DaSkreech> flaccid: I didn't know what your issue was :)
[12:20] <LjL> wizard: i didn't have much of a problem with my nvidia drivers.
[12:20] <LjL> !nvidia
[12:20] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:20] <DaSkreech> flaccid: In any case they amount to the same thing :)
[12:20] <wizard> now its not even loading with nv
[12:20] <felixjet> can i kill "artsd" process or its system needed?
[12:21] <wizard> shouldn't there be mroe than just 2 lines under device in my xorg.conf file?
[12:21] <flaccid> its a matter of procedure
[12:21] <flaccid> its already up there
[12:21] <flaccid> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/41339
[12:21] <wizard> !nvidia
[12:21] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:22] <felixjet> !artsd
[12:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about artsd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:22] <felixjet> can i kill "artsd" process or its system needed?
[12:22] <LjL> felixjet: it's the KDE sound daemon
[12:22] <felixjet> damn
[12:22] <felixjet> it consume lot of ram and swap
[12:23] <felixjet> Vm = Swap
[12:23] <felixjet> Rss = Ram
[12:23] <felixjet> right?
[12:23] <wizard> greaaat
[12:23] <wizard> xorg.confg wont load even with nv drivers now
[12:23] <draik> Anyone here close to San Antonio, Texas, US?
[12:23] <felixjet> Vm = Swap - Rss = Ram . << is this right?
[12:24] <LjL> felixjet: no, not right.
[12:24] <wizard> draik: i can't even laod into nv drivers now
[12:24] <felixjet> LjL: then explain me please
[12:24] <LjL> felixjet: the stuff that's shown when you do "ps" or "top" or similar is falsified, in that it includes the memory usage of shared libraries and such stuff.
[12:25] <draik> wizard, did you load the new drivers from nvidia?
[12:25] <wizard> draik: yup
[12:25] <felixjet> :S
[12:25] <felixjet> artsd Vm = 1.251.140
[12:25] <draik> switch to "nvidia" now] 
[12:25] <felixjet> this is too much !
[12:25] <LjL> felixjet: look here for instance http://virtualthreads.blogspot.com/2006/02/understanding-memory-usage-on-linux.html (just first hit on google)
[12:26] <ad> I ve just downloaded gaim. How can I know where it has been installed ?
[12:26] <LjL> felixjet: it does sound a bit like too much. which program gave you that figure?
[12:26] <wizard> draik: got the nvidia drivers back installed again
[12:26] <LjL> ad: dpkg -L gaim
[12:26] <wizard> draik: and it looks like it can switch runlevels now
[12:27] <wizard> draik: if it can restart
[12:27] <wizard> driwe're all good
[12:27] <ad> Lintsi:
[12:27] <wizard> draik: and its doing it!
[12:27] <felixjet> LjL: what? i didnt understand you
[12:27] <draik> wizard, is it all good now?
[12:27] <wizard> draik: ALRIGHT I FIXED IT!!  *does a dance*
[12:27] <LjL> felixjet: what program/command did you use to obtain that number?
[12:27] <ad> LjL: thx
[12:27] <wizard> draik: eeegash... gonna punch kubuntu in the head there for second all like BAM "what now?!?!"
[12:28] <wizard> draik: lol..
[12:28] <wizard> draik: i am good now though as long as i can switch inits and reboot cos i DO change to different OS's regularly.
[12:28] <wizard> draik: got 6 HDD's all sporting a different linux
[12:28] <felixjet> LjL: the one like the windows taskbar
[12:28] <felixjet> ProcessTable
[12:29] <LjL> ... which is not a taskbar, but anyway
[12:29] <draik> wizard, nice! I wish to one day be that linux saavy
[12:29] <wizard> how can i change the resolution on the kubuntu login screen?
[12:29] <LjL> and that's the vmSize figure?
[12:29] <wizard> i can't seme to find it
[12:29] <felixjet> on artsd? 118504
[12:30] <felixjet> KSysGuard is the program i use
[12:31] <wizard> anyone got a guide for that? how to change the default resolution of the kubuntu login?
[12:33] <felixjet> LjL: it isnt too much resources?
[12:34] <memikep> i use gnomes desktop manager. i find its easier to customize
[12:34] <wizard> whenever i open a konq window in my homefolder it gives me an error "could not fined tree :///home internal error"
[12:35] <wizard> it gives me the error WHENEVER i open a konq window which is jut annoying.
[12:35] <LjL> felixjet: it's 5 times more than what i have. dunno if it would be "too much" -- anyway, i was asking about the 1.251.140 figure
[12:36] <wizard> "could not fine parent item file:///home in the tree. Internal error."
[12:36] <felixjet> i go restart pc
[12:36] <felixjet> and check the resources
[12:36] <felixjet> since i didnt restart in days
[12:37] <ad> LjL: it lists the packages for Gaim but how to know what is the file to launch ?
[12:39] <LjL> ad: just type "gaim"
[12:39] <LjL> ad: anyway, the executable files will usually be the ones in the /usr/bin directory
[12:39] <ad> ok thanks ... And how to add it in the k menu ?
[12:40] <CVirus> !mp3
[12:40] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:41] <LjL> ad: right click on the menu, "Menu editor", and add /usr/bin/gaim as an entry. but it should already be there anyway -- if it isn't, try restarting KDE and seeing if it appears.
[12:44] <ad> LjL:  ok thanks I add it in the menu ... thanks :)
[12:45] <Max_-> When Flash installer asks for path where mozilla/opera is installed.. if I use firefox.. what do I say? tried /usr/lib/firefox.. but well installation didn't work.. so I guess I was wrong... thx
[12:46] <felixjet> LjL:  lol i reboot pc and now artd consume 22k and 16k
[12:46] <felixjet> instead of 1.2m and 122k
[12:46] <felixjet> XD
[12:48] <LjL> felixjet: aRts should be deprecated as soon as possible
[12:48] <LjL> it's buggy
[12:50] <ad> Where most icons of programs are located ? It seems there are all in the k menu editor ...
[12:52] <Hawkwind> ad: /usr/share/icons ?
[12:53] <ad> Hawkwind: thanks but no ...
[12:53] <ad> LjL: do you know that ?
[12:54] <hazard2> *testing*
[12:55] <livingdaylight> anyone use kopete as irc client?
[12:55] <hazard2> I am at the moment.
[12:56] <livingdaylight> hazard2: kewl...
[12:56] <Hawkwind> ad: Icons are in /usr/share/icons
[12:56] <hazard2> and if I randomly disconnect, then that means this machine has crashed....again...
[12:56] <livingdaylight> hazard2: i've set up irc account with kopete but i can't seem to access it. how do i open the irc function of kopete?
[12:57] <hazard2> I haven't any idea in the faintest.
[12:57] <LjL> ad: /usr/share/pixmaps i think
[12:57] <LjL> mostly
[12:57] <livingdaylight> hazard2: did you say you use kopete?
[12:57] <hazard2> Wait-no, I lied.
[12:57] <hazard2> This is Konversation sorry.
[12:57] <hazard2> I remember using Kopte once though.
[12:58] <ad> I just wonder where kmenu editor look for them
[12:58] <livingdaylight> Anyone here use Kopete -not konversation -Kopete as irc client?
[12:58] <LjL> hopefully not :P
[12:58] <hazard2> I said I was sorry...
[12:58] <livingdaylight> i've setup an irc account with Kopete but can't open it
[12:58] <hazard2> Stupid question: How do I change my password?
[12:59] <LjL> ad: well, i don't really know what's the place it looks at by default.
[12:59] <LjL> hazard2: man passwd
[12:59] <hazard2> You know, today just isn't my day.
[12:59] <hazard2> (for intelligent thinking that is)
[01:00] <ad> Hawkwind: ok thanks
[01:01] <RogueJediX> Hey. Can anyone here play x264 encoded video files properly?
[01:01] <hazard2> I can.
[01:02] <hazard2> (provided they aren't of a completly ubsurd resolution)
[01:02] <RogueJediX> Cool. What player do you use? I've tried KMPlayer and Kaffeine and both seem to have a heart attack when I attempt to play those files
[01:03] <hazard2> the mplayer binary compiled from source /w x264's header files (also compiled from source)
[01:03] <hazard2> at least that works best
[01:03] <hazard2> for me anyway, on my other systems I just use VLC
[01:03] <RogueJediX> Hm. I guess that's worth a shot
[01:04] <hazard2> (which introduces some extra CPU overhead)
[01:04] <felixjet> !ascii
[01:04] <ubotu> ascii: interactive ASCII name and synonym chart. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.8-2 (dapper), package size 15 kB, installed size 72 kB
[01:04] <felixjet> how can i type ascii ?
[01:04] <hazard2> you just did.
[01:04] <RogueJediX> hazard2: 1.2 GHz with 256 MB RAM is enough, right?
[01:04] <hazard2> should be
[01:04] <felixjet> installaing ascii?
[01:04] <hazard2> I got a 600mhz duron to play them acceptably
[01:05] <RogueJediX> hazard2: Thanks. I'll try doing what you did.
[01:05] <hazard2> but you might have issues if you're trying to do anything else (b/c of swapping to/from memory)
[01:05] <RogueJediX> So, I should only have mplayer running?
[01:06] <hazard2> since you've only got 256 ram (the afore mentioned duron had a very basic system running, 512 ram, and _HEAVY_ optimization on a hardware and software level)
[01:06] <hazard2> You could try doing other stuff, but I don't know how well it'd work (but it wouldn't kill you to try)
[01:06] <RogueJediX> Ah, I see. Dammit, I need a better rig
[01:06] <hazard2> Hah!
[01:06] <RogueJediX> Other stuff?
[01:06] <hazard2> if I had that system I'd be sooo happy.
[01:07] <hazard2> Like I dunno, being on line browsing or whatever
[01:07] <RogueJediX> Oh, right, right. Sorry, didn't read that in context
[01:07] <hazard2> if you're using it JUST to play the movie then you should be fine (as long as you're not encoding video or something in the background)
[01:07] <hazard2> especially if you build your own binary
[01:07] <hazard2> Which amusingly enough is what I'm doing at the moment...
[01:08] <RogueJediX> I know next to squat about encoding anyway, so...
[01:08] <hazard2> Its not that hard.
[01:08] <felixjet> what win version emulate wine ? 2000 ?
[01:08] <hazard2> with mplayer, playing and encoding are JUST about the same thing, until you get into nit-picky codec/encoder options.
[01:09] <RogueJediX> I once attempted to reencode x264 into xvid. Midway I realised I didn't know what the hell I was doing
[01:09] <hazard2> heh, I usually hit that stage during whatever I'm doing...
[01:10] <RogueJediX> Er, attempted to reencode a x264 VIDEO FILE into xvid
[01:10] <hazard2> Its really bad when I'm working on something, then somewhere in the middle of it, I realize I forgot what the original goal was.
[01:10] <hazard2> I know what you meant.
[01:10] <RogueJediX> Just being my pedantic self
[01:11] <hazard2> Hmm...
[01:11] <hazard2> well I've just hit a new record of uptime on this machine
[01:11] <hazard2> (its been running for 30 minutes) without crashing...
[01:11] <max_> im very new at IRC chat, im trying to get help in the ##linux room, how to i register a nickname so i can talk?
[01:12] <RogueJediX> max_: /msg nickserv register <username> <e-mail>
[01:12] <hazard2> So maybe it can't handle 512 mb ram? Or maybe, this other module (in a pile of other identical modules now) is bad....
[01:12] <max_> thank you
[01:12] <coreymon77> wait
[01:12] <coreymon77> also
[01:12] <coreymon77> you dont need an email
[01:12] <coreymon77> just a password
[01:12] <RogueJediX> Whoops, thanks coreymon77
[01:12] <max_> so its /msg nickserv register <username> >pass>?
[01:12] <coreymon77> yup
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[01:12] <max_> thank you
[01:13] <coreymon77> but why use the linux channel
[01:13] <coreymon77> isnt the kubuntu channel good enough
[01:13] <hazard2> Bah! How do you remove an entry for something in the control panel?
[01:13] <RogueJediX> hazard2: Your machine crashes a lot?
[01:13] <hazard2> I removed all the bluetooth stuff, but the icon is still there.
[01:13] <hazard2> This one yes...
[01:13] <max_> yes, but when i ask for help people yell at me
[01:13] <max_> and say go to the ## linux one
[01:13] <max_> ##linux*
[01:13] <hazard2> What's the problem?
[01:13] <coreymon77> ???
[01:13] <RogueJediX> I hate that kind of attitude
[01:14] <coreymon77> are you using kubuntu?
[01:14] <hazard2> me too.
[01:14] <max_> yes
[01:14] <coreymon77> so why are people here not helping him?
[01:14] <max_> iono
[01:14] <RogueJediX> Beats me
[01:14] <hazard2> I haven't read him ask a question
[01:14] <coreymon77> go on max
[01:15] <max_> im trying to unpack a .7z archive, i have p7zip to do it....i do 7z e <filename.7z> in a teminal and i keep getting errors, i know it isnt a corrputed archive because ive tried on multiple archives
[01:15] <john__> anyone get Photoshop CS2 working on kubuntu
[01:15] <RogueJediX> max_: Try 7z x etc etc
[01:15] <T3hWiz0rd> blah.
[01:15] <T3hWiz0rd> any preformance options for suse?
[01:15] <T3hWiz0rd> i mean kubuntu lol
[01:15] <T3hWiz0rd> mixing distros up
[01:16] <rojikaru> Distros as in distro watch?
[01:16] <RogueJediX> hazard2: How come the rig you're using crashes so much?
[01:16] <hazard2> I remember the 7zip decompressor was a pain.
[01:16] <hazard2> Because its a pile of random parts with dubious origins.
[01:16] <coreymon77> no there arent any perfomance options for suse, suse has no performance anyways! :P
[01:16] <hazard2> And all i've got is ULTRACHEAPO(tm) ram.
[01:17] <coreymon77> thats a real company name?
[01:17] <hazard2> (and the fact that its got a SiS chipset probably has something to do with it)
[01:17] <hazard2> no, it was a joke.
[01:17] <coreymon77> ULTRACHEAPO
[01:17] <hazard2> :P
[01:17] <coreymon77> oh
[01:17] <coreymon77> okay
[01:17] <RogueJediX> Dibs on the company name
[01:17] <hazard2> heh
[01:17] <coreymon77> lol
[01:17] <hazard2> I've used that term for years.
[01:18] <coreymon77> well atleast you dont have rd ram
[01:18] <max_> Rogue: i tried that line and i get the same error as extracting somthing "
[01:18] <max_> Error:
[01:18] <max_> there is no such archive
[01:18] <hazard2> For stuff from wal-mart, and anything else not actually worth buying (that somehow I end up with anyway)
[01:18] <RogueJediX> Well mine's even more dubious. Last couple of times I shut I down (not a common occurence) it went into a bootup loop
[01:18] <hazard2> No, I've got a machine with RDRAM.
[01:18] <coreymon77> that is one of the stupidest ram types out there
[01:18] <hazard2> One of the older ones that still needs parity.
[01:18] <livingdaylight> Anyone here use Kopete -not konversation -Kopete as irc client?
[01:18] <coreymon77> same
[01:18] <RogueJediX> Had to reset the bios both times
[01:18] <coreymon77> not me
[01:18] <coreymon77> the pairing thing is just a pain in the ass
[01:18] <hazard2> Indeed.
[01:18] <T3hWiz0rd> anyone in here have a quickcam fusion working with kubuntu?
[01:19] <T3hWiz0rd> or know how to install uvc?
[01:19] <T3hWiz0rd> !uvc
[01:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uvc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:19] <livingdaylight> i've setup an irc account with Kopete but can't open it
[01:19] <hazard2> Rouge: I've got a machine that sometimes on startup says it has a 133mhz CPU (rather than the 300mhz chip it DOES have)
[01:19] <RogueJediX> Heh, computers is strange people
[01:20] <hazard2> Of course, that machine (with its 14 drives+cdrom, and non-ATX power supply powering an ATX system) has some excuses.)
[01:20] <hazard2> It also still runs winders (because getting linux to correctly use all those drive controllers would be a nightmare for me)
[01:21] <max_> is there another program besides p7zip to unpack 7z's?
[01:21] <hazard2> there's a windows one that I *KNOW* works.
[01:21] <RogueJediX> max_: You could try 7zip and wine
[01:21] <hazard2> yea, that would be it.
[01:21] <hazard2> Ok...
[01:21] <hazard2> I just changed the system hostname, now sudo dosen't work, is there anything I can do without restarting?
[01:21] <livingdaylight> unfortunately there is no documentation for kopete
[01:22] <livingdaylight> Anyone use it or know how to setup the irc functionof kopete?
[01:22] <RogueJediX> I THINK you can do something with visudo
[01:22] <hazard2> meaning....?
[01:22] <max_> 7zip is the windows version of p7zip isnt it
[01:22] <max_> and what is wine
[01:22] <hazard2> I remember the time I deleted the sudo command...
[01:23] <RogueJediX> Meaning it opens up the sudo config thingy and you can try messing around with that
[01:23] <hazard2> max_: wine is the windows emulator-dodad for linux that lets you run windows programs
[01:23] <hazard2> or something like that
[01:23] <RogueJediX> max_: Well, somewhat. 7zip has an interface, p7zip is command line. As for wine, it tries to run windows apps on linux for you
[01:24] <max_> how do i get wine
[01:24] <hazard2> I'd have to sudo to get to edit the sudoers file
[01:24] <max_> (is a linux noob)
[01:24] <RogueJediX> max_: sudo apt-get install wine
[01:24] <RogueJediX> Oh, right. That aspect slipped my mind
[01:24] <hazard2> This REALLY reminds me of the time I deleted the sudo command now...
[01:25] <hazard2> I'm gunna restart (hopefully things'll get better not worse)
[01:25] <RogueJediX> Well, at least you didn't try Kororaa (Gentoo derivative) without reading some docs
[01:25] <hazard2> Usually I use straight debian, without a GUI
[01:26] <hazard2> the whole GUI thing is new.
[01:26] <hazard2> (and I don't really like it, it makes it all slow and complicated)
[01:26] <ad> How to make a link to a folder with gui ?
[01:26] <RogueJediX> as: ln -s etc etc
[01:27] <hazard2> yup yup
[01:27] <RogueJediX> Oh, WITH GUI? Right clicking should do something, I suppose
[01:27] <hazard2> I'd just use terminal.
[01:27] <hazard2> Its faster for me.
[01:27] <RogueJediX> Ditto. Is faster
[01:27] <RogueJediX> I wuv my Yakuake
[01:27] <hazard2> ?!@
[01:27] <RogueJediX> It's a drop-down console for KDE
[01:28] <hazard2> oh...
[01:28] <ad> I got url, apps and device only but not folder
[01:28] <T3hWiz0rd> has anyone in here got a uvc-based cam to work?
[01:28] <hazard2> I'll be back
[01:29] <RogueJediX> ...Schwarzenegger said.
[01:29] <max_> rouge: what do i do now that Wine is installed?
[01:29] <RogueJediX> max_: Get the 7zip installer for winblows
[01:30] <max_> lol
[01:30] <RogueJediX> Also, it's rogue, not rouge :P
[01:30] <ricanelite> when is new version of Edgy Eft coming out?
[01:31] <max_> sorry
[01:31] <RogueJediX> No prob
[01:31] <ricanelite> Ive read somewhere on a site that Firefox is coming out with a new version?? Is that true?
[01:32] <hazard_> I have no idea.
[01:32] <RogueJediX> ricanelite: Not a new version, but a fork. It's called (yech) IceWeasel
[01:32] <max_> ricanelite: edgys final relase is 26th of this month
[01:32] <hazard_> Lets see if this is the crashy-memory module....
[01:32] <hazard_> (or if the chipset just can't count)
[01:33] <RogueJediX> ricanelite: It's Firefox with 2 security updates and no proprietary icons
[01:33] <ricanelite> now, edgys when that is release we will just get a update! and thats it?
[01:33] <ricanelite> ahh so it is not a hole new browser then right
[01:33] <RogueJediX> Hardly
[01:33] <ricanelite> like the update of Ubuntu Linux 6 LTS?
[01:33] <ricanelite> got you
[01:34] <max_> anyone run Firefox 2.0?
[01:34] <georgeb> Hi. I repartitioned my hdd, and I have some problems; I belive they are happening because I created another partition for /var and /var/run /var/lock should be created before /var is mounted; do you have any ideea ?
[01:34] <RogueJediX> Nah. I'm one of those nuts that uses Konqueror for browsing
[01:34] <ricanelite> Is there anyone here that knows of a Application that is like Wine but could run Mac OS X Application, Like wine does with Windows Applications?
[01:35] <max_> RoguejediX: now that i have the win installer how do i run it?
[01:35] <Hawkwind> max_: Are you installing it on Dapper ?
[01:35] <RogueJediX> max_: wine <filename.exe> and hope for the best
[01:35] <max_> thank you
[01:35] <hazard2> ricanelite: that's a bit more complicated, if its not a universal binary, then you'd need to emulate the PPC processor *AND* the OSX environment.
[01:36] <max_> Hawkwind: yes, i run the current version of Kubuntu
[01:36] <hazard2> if it IS a universal binary, then you could feasibly just get the source code, and hope it compiles on not-OSX
[01:36] <RogueJediX> Hey, hazard. What options should I use with x264 configure?
[01:36] <Hawkwind> max_: Nevermind, you're using firefox 2.0 with wine
[01:36] <hazard2> I just leave it alone
[01:36] <hazard2> and let it install to /usr/local/[whatever] 
[01:36] <Hawkwind> max_: I thought you were installing firefox 2.0 natively in Dapper, which isn't a real good idea
[01:37] <RogueJediX> Okie, thanks
[01:37] <max_> i dont run 2.0
[01:37] <max_> i use 1.5
[01:37] <hazard2> mplayer (except on my macs, because they have weird file strucutres to begin with) I leave alone also
[01:37] <RogueJediX> Hawkwind: He's trying to get 7zip to work in Dapper
[01:37] <hazard2> But-that's...just...complicated.
[01:37] <hazard2> and makes compiling things on linux brainless
[01:37] <Schuenemann> hi, has anybody downloaded and burned the kubuntu 6.06-dekstop ISO?
[01:37] <ricanelite> hazard you have a Mac?
[01:37] <max_> i couldt find the 2.0 installer after i made the switch from win98 to kubuntu
[01:38] <hazard2> several
[01:38] <hazard2> older ones
[01:38] <ricanelite> really, you have Ubuntu Linux on them?
[01:38] <hazard2> Nope.
[01:38] <hazard2> they run OSX
[01:38] <hazard2> But windows is annoying so I try to not use it.
[01:39] <Hawkwind> RogueJediX: sudo apt-get install p7zip  ??
[01:39] <ricanelite> oh okay, I have a Mac mini with a G4 and I'm running Ubuntu Linux on it which i made Ubuntu my main OS
[01:39] <max_> RoguejediX: i tried it and i got this
[01:39] <max_> Application tries to create a window, but no driver could be loaded.
[01:39] <max_> Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly
[01:39] <RogueJediX> Hawkwind: He has it already, but it's giving him lip
[01:39] <ricanelite> this is offically my third day using Ubuntu Linux
[01:40] <Schuenemann> ricanelite, did you get kubuntu?
[01:40] <v3ctor> p7zip works fine in dapper
[01:40] <ricanelite> Yes
[01:40] <hazard2> Wow, good for you!
[01:40] <max_> i cant get p7zip to work
[01:40] <hazard2> I woudln't try that, as I know I'd bork SOMETHING up, and end up with no computer for a week.
[01:40] <ricanelite> Yeah, thank you. I'm confuse though with the hole new operating system and terminal work on it
[01:40] <Hawkwind> max_: Describe in details your errors....paste them to http://pastebin.ulteo.us if more than 2 lines long
[01:40] <hazard2> max_: can you boot windows and have it decomperess it for you?
[01:40] <Schuenemann> I have just downloaded kubuntu and the md5sum was ok, but after burning the ISO, the media did not pass the test
[01:41] <hazard2> Bad CD?
[01:41] <ricanelite> Yeah I was about to say that
[01:41] <Schuenemann> I guess so
[01:41] <max_> i dont have a machine with win anymore
[01:41] <Hawkwind> max_: What is it you are wanting to unzip ??
[01:41] <max_> a .7z archive
[01:41] <Schuenemann> I was checking if the ISO was ok
[01:41] <ricanelite> with me Ubuntu sent me the cds. I had to wait a couple of weeks but it has been worth it so far.
[01:41] <Hawkwind> max_: Please paste any errors to http://pastebin.ulteo.us
[01:41] <Schuenemann> ricanelite, you were about to say what/
[01:41] <ricanelite> that you might have a Bad CD
[01:42] <hazard2> The "bad cd"
[01:42] <Schuenemann> ahh...
[01:42] <Schuenemann> Ok, I'll try burning again
[01:42] <RogueJediX> Whee, x264 compiled. On to mplayer
[01:42] <max_> hawkwind: ok i did
[01:42] <Schuenemann> by the way, I have ubuntu 5.10 from shipit... can I get kubuntu 6.06 from it?
[01:43] <Schuenemann> through apt-get
[01:43] <ricanelite> you have a mac Schuenemann/
[01:43] <ad> Why my chown does not apply on a file ?
[01:43] <Hawkwind> max_: You have to give us the resulting URL please
[01:43] <Schuenemann> no, intel x86
[01:43] <max_> oooooh
[01:43] <max_> hang on
[01:43] <ricanelite> ahh okay
[01:43] <Hawkwind> ad: What command did you do ?
[01:43] <hazard2> make sure that mplayer finds the header (I've had issues with that before)
[01:43] <ricanelite> this is going to be your first time using Linux??/
[01:43] <max_> http://pastebin.ulteo.us/161
[01:43] <ad> sudo chown ad  "/home/ad/Desktop/Mes documents"
[01:43] <Schuenemann> no... I have tested red hat, mandrake, suse, kurumin and ubuntu before :)
[01:43] <jmoreno> Hi
[01:44] <hazard2> jedi: x264 needs nasm (if you don't already have it)
[01:44] <hazard2> hi 'reno
[01:44] <Hawkwind> ad: That's incorrect
[01:44] <ad> ?
[01:44] <ricanelite> does anyone know is flash out for Ubuntu PPC??
[01:44] <Hawkwind> max_: What command did you run exactly that gave you those errors ?
[01:44] <v3ctor> max_: why are you using wine to run p7zip?
[01:44] <ad> Hawkwind:  what is incorrect ?
[01:44] <Hawkwind> ad: You need a user:group  sudo chown ad:ad "/blah/blah"
[01:45] <hazard2> v3ctor: he wouldn't get it to dcompress using the unix command line util
[01:45] <max_> i ran root@max-desktop:/home/max/Desktop# wine 7z442.exe
[01:45] <Hawkwind> max_: Forget about wine
[01:45] <RogueJediX> I think I have it, yeah. I think I installed it when compiling some game I oogled over at happypenguin
[01:45] <max_> ok
[01:45] <v3ctor> hazard2: i know...he has been working on this for days
[01:45] <Hawkwind> max_: You need to install p7zip natively in Kubuntu
[01:45] <max_> how do i do that
[01:45] <hazard2> Ahhh....I see...
[01:45] <Hawkwind> max_: sudo apt-get install p7zip
[01:45] <v3ctor> it is most likely a corrupt 7z file
[01:45] <jmoreno> there is a smp kernel for x86 in edgy? I have a Turion64 x2... i can't get the two cpus running..
[01:45] <hazard2> At least he's trying hard.
[01:45] <max_> its not corrupt
[01:45] <Hawkwind> !info p7zip
[01:45] <ubotu> p7zip: 7-Zip is a file archiver with high compression ratio. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.30.dfsg-1 (dapper), package size 1413 kB, installed size 3784 kB
[01:45] <max_> ive tried many archives
[01:45] <hazard2> Persistance was the word I was looking for.
[01:46] <Hawkwind> max_: You need to make sure you have universe enabled in your sources.list
[01:46] <v3ctor> unix_infidel: ark
[01:46] <Hawkwind> unix_infidel: It has one already
[01:46] <max_> how do it check to see if its enabled
[01:46] <Hawkwind> Use the tools the distro gives you
[01:46] <RogueJediX> Well, there's Ark and FileRoller, but Ark definitely needs more options
[01:46] <Hawkwind> max_: Just type:  sudo apt-get install p7zip
[01:46] <v3ctor> ark will create and open .7z archives
[01:46] <max_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[01:47] <v3ctor> Hawkwind: he already has it
[01:47] <max_> you said thast v3ctor, i dont know what ark your using, but mine wont
[01:47] <Hawkwind> max_: dpkg -l p7zip
[01:47] <v3ctor> we installed it the other day
[01:47] <RogueJediX> Yeah, but I can't select the compression ratio. The default is 5 and I usually use 7
[01:47] <Hawkwind> v3ctor: Ah ok.  Then help him finish the project please :)
[01:47] <v3ctor> lol
[01:47] <Schuenemann> thanks, I'll try another CD... bye
[01:47] <T3hWiz0rd> anyone?
[01:47] <T3hWiz0rd> #quickcam
[01:48] <T3hWiz0rd> on that?
[01:48] <v3ctor> 7za e <watever it is called>.7z
[01:48] <max_> Hawkwind: what was the dpkg -l p7zip suspose to do
[01:48] <T3hWiz0rd> wtf how'd i hit a number sign?
[01:48] <hazard2> with a hammer?
[01:48] <v3ctor> max_: it will show the status of the pkg
[01:48] <deamon> salve ragazzi
[01:48] <deamon> conoscete
[01:48] <deamon> sorry
[01:48] <T3hWiz0rd> I've got a fusion that i know has rocky support with linux, needs the cvs uvc drivers. Got them installed, can see cam feedback on kopete but its only black and white, very dark, and very off scale.
[01:48] <ad> Hawkwind: why must I change the group in i just want to change the owner ?
[01:48] <hazard2> sigh...mplayer compiles and aborts with some random familiar errors...
[01:48] <Hawkwind> max_: It will tell you if p7zip is installed on Kubuntu or not
[01:49] <max_> it  is
[01:49] <Hawkwind> ad: You don't have to *change* it, you need to supply the argument
[01:49] <Hawkwind> max_: Are you sure ?
[01:49] <RogueJediX> hazard2: Think it's contagious? I'm about to run make.
[01:49] <max_> it says it is
[01:49] <hazard2> RogueJediX: I'd hope not.
[01:49] <Hawkwind> max_: Now use it to unzip the file you want
[01:49] <v3ctor> max_: 7za e <watever it is called>.7z
[01:50] <max_> i cant
[01:50] <max_> errors
[01:50] <v3ctor> why not?
[01:50] <v3ctor> show errors
[01:50] <v3ctor> pastebin
[01:50] <max_> Error: <filename> is not supported archive
[01:51] <v3ctor> please use actual filename
[01:51] <max_> Error: CB3.7z is not supported archive
[01:51] <v3ctor> ok: file CB3.7z
[01:51] <hazard2> Jedi: install libaa1 and libaa1-dev, its fun to play with (in conjunction with mplayer)
[01:51] <cpk2> max_: did you get p7zip?
[01:51] <v3ctor> cpk2: he has it
[01:51] <max_> yes
[01:51] <ad> Hawkwind: it did not work
[01:51] <hazard2> watching stuff in ASCII has a certian geeky factor asccoated with it.
[01:51] <v3ctor> max_: file CB3.7z
[01:51] <ad> owner is still roo :\
[01:52] <v3ctor> run that please
[01:52] <ad> *root
[01:53] <max_> CB3.7z: empty
[01:53] <v3ctor> see corrupt archive
[01:53] <T3hWiz0rd> if i want to join kubuntu to a windows smb domain
[01:53] <max_> ive tried on other archives though
[01:54] <T3hWiz0rd> how do I do it so I can log in with smb users?
[01:54] <max_> i have mroe Dling now to test
[01:54] <v3ctor> max_: should say something like: p7zip-test.7z: 7-zip archive data, version 0.2
[01:54] <RogueJediX> hazard2: Way ahead of you. Already included it and libcaca too
[01:54] <v3ctor> max_: how are you doanloading them?
[01:54] <v3ctor> downloading* even
[01:55] <max_> firefox
[01:55] <hazard2> what's that other one?
[01:55] <RogueJediX> Same as aa, only in color
[01:55] <hazard2> Ahh....
[01:55] <hazard2> I knew there was one, but I couldn't ever find it.
[01:55] <Hawkwind> max_: How big is the file ?
[01:55] <max_> 104mb
[01:56] <Hawkwind> max_: use wget http://url-here  from a terminal to download it
[01:56] <max_> i have another 7z almost done, ill just try to use it, its at 90%
[01:57] <Hawkwind> Are you downloading it with firefox too ?
[01:58] <max_> no
[01:58] <hazard2> You know, it seems that my System ONLY crashes when it has 512Ram....
[01:59] <hazard2> because I've put my 256meg chips though EXTENSIVE testing, and NOTHING is wrong with any of them.
[01:59] <RogueJediX> It's voodoo, swear to god.
[01:59] <hazard2> Its a Vaio.
[01:59] <hazard2> Swearing to god isn't neccessary.
[01:59] <ad> In my hda2 vfat I have square instead eacute
[02:00] <ad> How to solve it ?
[02:00] <hazard2> well, what are you talking about exactly?
[02:00] <RogueJediX> Isn't there a Vaio specific panel in KDE's Control Panel?
[02:00] <hazard2> Not that appears to do anything.
[02:01] <hazard2> I think its meant for Vaio laptops, this is a minitower.
[02:01] <ad>  is a square
[02:01] <RogueJediX> At the risk of sounding ignorant, I thought Vaios were laptops only?
[02:01] <hazard2> vfat won't display those chars right.
[02:01] <ad> is this because the fstab option is set to default ?
[02:01] <hazard2> Nope, they aren't.
[02:01] <hazard2> Look up a PCV-LX700
[02:02] <ad> hazard2:  do you mean there is no solution ?
[02:02] <hazard2> change the drive from VFAT to something not-VFAT (like ext3 or something)
[02:03] <hazard2> Or don't use extended characters.
[02:03] <ad> it is windows !
[02:03] <hazard2> Oh...
[02:03] <ad> I must use fat32
[02:03] <hazard2> then Don't use extended characters.
[02:03] <hazard2> You could use NTfs.
[02:03] <ad> I m french i need it :)
[02:03] <hazard2> I think it supports extended chars.
[02:03] <ad> linux write ntfs ??
[02:03] <hazard2> (but then linux couldn't write to the drive)
[02:03] <hazard2> Nope.
[02:04] <ad> that s a problem ...
[02:04] <hazard2> Indeed.
[02:04] <ad> No fix ?
[02:04] <hazard2> I guess you're stuck with boxes.
[02:04] <hazard2> Windows XP?
[02:04] <ad> FAT 32 = no extended char ?
[02:04] <RogueJediX> Oh, yeah. I've been meaning to ask this. Is NTFS write support in edgy or will it be in the next version?
[02:04] <ad> yes xp
[02:04] <hazard2> I'm pretty sure NTFS write support is still highly 'experiemental' and doing excessive writing currupts the drive.
[02:05] <hazard2> ad: I'm pretty sure that fat32 won't take extended chars correctly.
[02:05] <RogueJediX> What about this? http://www.linux-ntfs.org/
[02:05] <ad> For all linux ?
[02:05] <mando> i am desperate
[02:05] <mando> i have a major problem
[02:05] <RogueJediX> Got a newsfeed about it a few months back saying that it should work with it
[02:06] <mando> ok yesterday i installed kubuntu and had some problems with it.. so i formated the kubuntu partition
[02:06] <ryanakca> What's the kubuntu motto again? Humanity to others or something of the sort?
[02:06] <mando> now grub doesnt load and i get an error 17.. and i can load windows
[02:06] <hazard2> I think that ones still has experiemental write support
[02:06] <v3ctor> ntfs write support is fairly stable as long you you are not editing exist files...but i still don't recomend it
[02:07] <mando> how can i remove grub and get back to the normal os choice menu
[02:07] <hazard2> I hate NTFS
[02:07] <RogueJediX> Okay, just checking
[02:07] <hazard2> but for windows is SO much better than Fat32
[02:07] <mando> anyone?
[02:07] <mando> please i need urgent help
[02:07] <hazard2> I recall doing that once.
[02:07] <ad> I m stucked with this charset ?
[02:08] <hazard2> I MAY or *MAY NOT* have fixed it by overriting GRUB using a windows installer CD's fix MBR command
[02:08] <hazard2> But I don't remember
[02:08] <ad> hazard2:  no solution with any linux dist ?
[02:08] <hazard2> it isn't linux, its fat32.
[02:08] <hazard2> its just the way it is (being all old and stuff)
[02:08] <mando> what does mbr do?
[02:08] <mando> i have a kubuntu live cd and i have a windows bootable cd
[02:08] <hazard2> its where GRUB is, it tells the computer where to boot the system
[02:09] <mando> so give me stepwise instructions please
[02:09] <mando> i'm a newbie
[02:09] <mando> and i have to do some work on my computer tomorrrow so i gotta get it ficked now
[02:09] <ad> hazard2:  why charset is correct under windows ? There should be a solution ... I don't understand ...
[02:09] <mando> fixed*
[02:09] <hazard2> since you killed kubuntu, part of grub is missing (but the main entry is still in the MBR), SO when the system runs the bit O grub still there, it just suffers a heart attack as it can't find the rest of itself anymore.
[02:09] <hazard2> because windows is 'special' and isn't actually storing the characters ON the drive.
[02:09] <mando> ok so what shall i do?
[02:10] <hazard2> Its likely storing them in some DB file somewhere along with the long filenames (which I don't know if linux acceses correctly)
[02:10] <hazard2> Mando: boot off a winXP cd and get to the recovery console
[02:10] <ad> hazard2: if it is not on the drive where is it ?
[02:10] <mando> ok
[02:10] <hazard2> ad: I don't know.
[02:10] <mando> i'm on the recovery console now
[02:10] <hazard2> Oh, ok.
[02:10] <mando> and then?
[02:11] <ad> fix mbr ?
[02:11] <hazard2> umm...fixmbr or maybe its fixboot (they're both commands, but they do slightly diffrent things)
[02:11] <hazard2> I'd try fixmbr I guess.
[02:11] <mando> fixboot writes a new bootsector it says
[02:11] <hazard2> Like I said, I don't remember if I was sucessful.
[02:11] <ad> I d do fixmbr too ..
[02:11] <ad> and d pray :)
[02:11] <hazard2> Sure, why not.
[02:12] <flaccid> plug n pray
[02:12] <mando> i dont wanna lose any info on my hard drive
[02:12] <ad> this won't
[02:12] <hazard2> jedi: there's no end to my bad luck....mplayer is refusing to compi9le now
[02:12] <flaccid> those two commands won't do that
[02:12] <francois> i tried installing beryl and it just crashes when kubuntu loads up, any ideas ?
[02:12] <hazard2> You won't.
[02:12] <flaccid> beryl
[02:12] <hazard2> at worst, this will must murder the rest of GRUB
[02:12] <flaccid> !beryl
[02:12] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[02:12] <hazard2> and it still won't work
[02:12] <flaccid> if grub is in boot sector
[02:12] <flaccid> or called from boot sector
[02:12] <ad> GRUB killer !!!
[02:13] <mando> i should run it on the drive where linux was
[02:13] <mando> ?
[02:13] <hazard2> I'm not sure.
[02:13] <ad> I think you should do it in the system with windows on
[02:13] <hazard2> I'd think you'd need to run it on whatever drive the systembooted from (EG the 'c' drive from the bios's point of view)
[02:13] <flaccid> on windows c drive
[02:13] <ad> stop repeat guys ! :o)
[02:13] <mando> ok
[02:14] <flaccid> repeat
[02:14] <hazard2> but the windows 'c' drive isn't NECCESSILIRY the drive with the MBR for the system
[02:14] <mando> are you positive this wont cause me any data loss?
[02:14] <ad> yes
[02:14] <flaccid> c is a partition
[02:14] <hazard2> yes, at worst it still won't work though
[02:14] <ad> just mbr grub killer
[02:14] <flaccid> not master boot record
[02:14] <hazard2> ....
[02:14] <mando> mbr is master boot record
[02:14] <flaccid> do you want grub killer? sorry i came in late
[02:14] <ad> GRuB R.I.P.
[02:14] <hazard2> there is a diffrence between the 'c' drive/partition/whatever
[02:15] <xtracto> hello
[02:15] <Subnormal> c is not a partition, c is the best language programing of the history
[02:15] <hazard2> and the FIRST DRIVE that the bios will try to boot from
[02:15] <mando> yes a grub killer
[02:15] <ad> Subnormal: lol
[02:15] <mando> i fromated the drive where kubuntu was and i can load windows no
[02:15] <Subnormal> :)
[02:15] <flaccid> Subnormal: hehe yeah i'm talking in windows terms
[02:15] <hazard2> THAT drive is the one with the MBR you need to be concerned with
[02:15] <xtracto> I am looking for a way to change how the icons are shown in the main kde pane
[02:15] <Subnormal> was a joke
[02:15] <mando> cant*
[02:15] <xtracto> panel
[02:15] <flaccid> but you are right
[02:16] <ad> xtracto: i am too .
[02:16] <xtracto> I moved the main kpanel to the right of the screen
[02:16] <mando> so how can i kill grub and then load windows normally without losing anything on the windows partition?
[02:16] <hazard2> who? what? where?
[02:16] <mando> flaccid?
[02:16] <flaccid> fixboot
[02:16] <flaccid> fixmbr
[02:16] <flaccid> reboot
[02:16] <mando> ok the c drive right?
[02:16] <ad> I like the way kaella/knoppix is : good layout / icons :)
[02:16] <xtracto> and I modified the size to something like 80 pixels
[02:16] <hazard2> By overwriting the MBR of the drive to have it relink the bootloader of windows correctly
[02:16] <flaccid> thats from booting off windows cd and doing recovery console
[02:16] <xtracto> but now the icons are too big
[02:16] <ad> mando I think in 99% C
[02:16] <hazard2> fixboot on the primary master drive
[02:16] <flaccid> and mounting the cd parition with the RC
[02:17] <RogueJediX> Grr. After 20 or so minutes of compiling, mplayer gives me an error and who else would be the cause than x264.c
[02:17] <xtracto> I would like to know if there is a way to make it look similar to Windows quicklaunch bar
[02:17] <mando> ok
[02:17] <ad> come on do it ! Kill it !!!
[02:17] <flaccid> err selecting the windows c partition to mount in RC
[02:17] <ad> oops ...
[02:17] <xtracto> where I had some small icons with all the apps I used
[02:17] <T3hWiz0rd> how do you restart apache2 on kubuntu?
[02:17] <mando> ok doing it
[02:18] <hazard2> Yup, that's my present issue too
[02:18] <flaccid> T3hWiz0rd: by cli? sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[02:18] <mando> cool it seems like it worked!!!
[02:18] <flaccid> or sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 reload
[02:18] <ad> mando We told you !
[02:18] <hazard2> except your processor is twice as fast as ming
[02:18] <hazard2> e
[02:18] <flaccid> hehe
[02:18] <ad> mando : you are a real grub killer :)
[02:18] <xtracto> ooh well..
[02:18] <flaccid> why were we killing grub for again?
[02:19] <hazard2> chickens like grubs
[02:19] <flaccid> and letting windows boot?
[02:19] <ad> :)
[02:19] <Domiii> is there a possibility to add for each desktop a different icons on it?
[02:19] <mando> i love u guys lol
[02:19] <hazard2> I have no idea *sky turns red*
[02:19] <mando> it worked
[02:19] <Domiii> on kde of course :-)
[02:19] <mando> can't thank you enough
[02:19] <flaccid> hehe
[02:19] <ad> I just need 10000000$ :)
[02:19] <mando> done lol
[02:19] <ad> it will be a big thanks :)
[02:20] <hazard2> I'd be happy with a NOT-5 year old computer.
[02:20] <flaccid> i need $1,000,000,000,000,000M
[02:20] <ad> Just a beer in fact
[02:20] <RogueJediX> I think that's how old mine is
[02:20] <hazard2> While we're at it, I'll take 47E8344M
[02:20] <flaccid> i'm going to get a beer
[02:20] <ad> And windows boots again and again ...
[02:20] <hazard2> yes, well, ALL mine are that old (even the ones not-made-entirely of junk)
[02:20] <flaccid> mando: so why you booting windows?
[02:21] <hazard2> to doom us all...duh
[02:21] <ad> I boot it too .. Linux is not so easy ...
[02:21] <ad> But I try it ...
[02:21] <hazard2> I wouldn't say windows is easier...
[02:21] <RogueJediX> I have it for games, for when wine and cedega fail
[02:21] <flaccid> dualboot w/ grub is good. why no grub?
[02:21] <hazard2> have YOU ever had to de-infest a windows box from AOL -AND- spyware at the same time?
[02:22] <flaccid> hazard2: yep
[02:22] <qor> grub is touchy-feely... 2 out of 3 boxes made a grub indigestion
[02:22] <hazard2> (AND 4 diffrent virus scanners each pointing at the other for being a virus because one of them actually found and quarentined a virus)
[02:22] <ad> hazard2: when you started with windows it is difficukt with linux
[02:22] <ad> command line everywhere ...
[02:22] <flaccid> hazard2: kill it all. use security task manager.
[02:23] <flaccid> cli is good
[02:23] <RogueJediX> Does anyone here actually have clamav installed, while we're on the topic of AV apps?
[02:23] <hazard2> In the instance I had, they kept regenerating.
[02:23] <ricanelite> Quick question guys, When I open up Adept Manager and when I click on "Fetch Updates" it goes all the way to 99% and then stays there
[02:23] <hazard2> and from the CLI it was impossible to find them.
[02:23] <ricanelite> what is the problem???
[02:23] <T3hWiz0rd> where does apache store conf file that says the default server path
[02:23] <flaccid> but default kubuntu little need for cli use for normal person
[02:23] <sorush20> hi just wanted to know why I can't connect my hardware to ehci usb, everything is connected to the normal ohci? am I making any sence?
[02:23] <flaccid> T3hWiz0rd: /etc/apache2/httpd.conf
[02:24] <Dark_Vampire> !de
[02:24] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[02:24] <T3hWiz0rd> flaccid: okay and changing ServerRoot should change the default directory right?
[02:24] <ricanelite> anyone know about that?
[02:24] <flaccid> T3hWiz0rd: you probably want to change DocumentRoot
[02:25] <flaccid> ?
[02:25] <qor> ricanelite, one of your sources might be out-of-date, or down for some reason
[02:25] <T3hWiz0rd> flaccid: ahh right
[02:25] <ricanelite> okay, so it is not anything I did then??
[02:25] <T3hWiz0rd> flaccid: its not in there
[02:25] <flaccid> ServerRoot is where binaries etc. are
[02:25] <qor> ricanelite, heh, I doubt it :)
[02:25] <flaccid> T3hWiz0rd: sudo updatedb && locate httpd.conf
[02:25] <ricanelite> Okay cool, I try again
[02:25] <flaccid> you have apache2 right?
[02:25] <hazard2> RogueJediX: you gotten it compile yet?
[02:25] <ricanelite> later...Thanks!!! alot qor
[02:26] <T3hWiz0rd> flaccid: i am looking right at httpd.conf
[02:26] <T3hWiz0rd> flaccid: its a blank document though
[02:26] <qor> ricanelite, try to see which url gets stuck
[02:26] <RogueJediX> hazard2: Nah, googling around for an answer
[02:26] <qor> when it updates.... check which one it is
[02:26] <flaccid> T3hWiz0rd: what user did you open it with?
[02:26] <T3hWiz0rd> sudo
[02:26] <ricanelite> well it says everything is done and then when it gets to "Waiting for Headers (99%)
[02:26] <hazard2> That's a fimilar error to me, I seem to recall doing some things (like trying again and again, and disabling random crap) then it worked.
[02:26] <ricanelite> it just stops there
[02:26] <hazard2> Of course, I don't remember what exactly that was.
[02:27] <flaccid> oh thats right dif in ubuntu
[02:27] <hazard2> I wonder if I have a working junk DVD drive?
[02:28] <T3hWiz0rd> i think i found it
[02:28] <ricanelite> Haha it worked
[02:28] <qor> :)
[02:28] <ricanelite> lol it might have been down
[02:28] <ricanelite> lol
[02:28] <flaccid> T3hWiz0rd: ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/
[02:28] <ricanelite> thanks alot!!!
[02:28] <flaccid> change the symlink for default
[02:28] <qor> shure thang
[02:29] <flaccid> T3hWiz0rd: or change /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[02:30] <T3hWiz0rd> flaccid: alrigt i got it
[02:30] <T3hWiz0rd> flaccid: i also have a .htaccess file in there
[02:30] <flaccid> some people agree with this model, some don't
[02:30] <T3hWiz0rd> how do i configure that again btw?
[02:30] <T3hWiz0rd> flaccid: i need to path it to the htpasswd2 file
[02:31] <flaccid> T3hWiz0rd: you shouldn't use a .htaccess if you can help it
[02:31] <T3hWiz0rd> flaccid: i meant htpsswd2
[02:31] <T3hWiz0rd> flaccid: i forgot how to path to that, like the command to put in <directory>
[02:31] <flaccid> use /etc/apache2/conf.d/yourcustomhtaccess.conf
[02:31] <flaccid> that whole dir gets included
[02:32] <flaccid> what is the .htaccess for?
[02:32] <T3hWiz0rd> flaccid: i like using .hpasswd2
[02:32] <T3hWiz0rd> flaccid: its a .htpasswd2 file
[02:32] <ad> Does anyone know a remote control faster than vnc to control linux from windows XP ? VNC is too slow. I used TS for Win to win .. but now I can 't ...It is in a LAN
[02:32] <flaccid> T3hWiz0rd: HTTP Authentication?
[02:32] <T3hWiz0rd> flaccid: yup
[02:33] <flaccid> T3hWiz0rd: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/howto/auth.html
[02:34] <flaccid> ad: which vnc server were you using?
[02:34] <shaslap> the touchpad on my compaq laptop will randomly stop being able to click things, except sometimes in one window, anyone have the same problem or a possible solution?
[02:35] <ad> flaccid: i tried thin and real
[02:35] <flaccid> ad: is the server computer running X ?
[02:35] <RogueJediX> Isn't UltraVNC supposed to be optimised for Windows?
[02:36] <ad> yes it is for kubuntu "basic"
[02:36] <ad> flaccid:
[02:36] <flaccid> !x11vnc
[02:36] <ubotu> x11vnc: VNC server which uses your current X11 session. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.1-5 (dapper), package size 318 kB, installed size 820 kB
[02:36] <flaccid> reduce resolution, color depth from client or server side as required
[02:37] <flaccid> it can be used with display :0
[02:37] <flaccid> its fast
[02:37] <flaccid> realvnc client from windows works well
[02:37] <ad> flaccid: i ll try but i m not so sure;;; but i ll try :)
[02:37] <ad> ts for windows works better :)
[02:37] <flaccid> i use it
[02:37] <flaccid> over wireless and its fast
[02:37] <flaccid> ad: have you used x11vnc yet?
[02:38] <ad> flaccid: on a lan ?
[02:38] <flaccid> yeah or at all?
[02:38] <shaslap> is it possible to use synaptic or some such to upgrade to edgy eft?
[02:38] <ad> flaccid:  i don't know ... I ve just install kubuntu ... What is the basic version of remote control in kubuntu ?
[02:38] <flaccid> !vnc
[02:39] <ubotu> vnc is a way of doing remote desktop.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !freenx.
[02:39] <shaslap> grand, there went the touchpad again
[02:39] <flaccid> ad: this is pretty easy. install the package x11vnc with your favourite package manager, then run the command x11vnc then done.
[02:39] <ad> !freenx
[02:39] <ubotu> freenx is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[02:40] <ad> flaccid: gonna do it .. So it is really faster than ... than what afterall .. What is the basic package ?
[02:40] <flaccid> you can get a windows client for freenx
[02:41] <flaccid> ad: i dont understand
[02:41] <ad> flaccid:  gonna try both to see the difference ...
[02:41] <flaccid> try x11vnc and freenx and compare the speed
[02:41] <flaccid> yeah sweet
[02:41] <ad> flaccid: do you know ntrconnect ?
[02:41] <flaccid> no sorry
[02:41] <flaccid> !find ntrconnect
[02:41] <ubotu> Package/file ntrconnect does not exist in dapper
[02:41] <shaslap> is there anything that i could be doing to cause the mouse to only work in one or no windows?
[02:42] <ad> no it is not a linux package ... activeX only :) it is for remote control but the difference is that you don't need port forwarding if you have a riouter
[02:42] <ad> It is pass through 80 port
[02:43] <ad> port 80
[02:43] <ad> you have remote control using ie
[02:43] <ad> just wonder if there such a thing in linux world ?
[02:45] <hazard2> why would you want such a thing?
[02:45] <ad> flaccid: I asked you the name of the package for remote control installed in kubuntu (the basic one). IS it simply called vnc ?
[02:46] <hazard2> I think so.
[02:46] <ad> hazard2: faster to deploy
[02:46] <flaccid> ad: i said x11vnc
[02:46] <ad> No port forwarding to do :)
[02:47] <hazard2> AKA: Security risk.
[02:47] <hazard2> AKA: ActiveX
[02:48] <ad> nothing 100% secure anyway ;)
[02:48] <flaccid> activex = bad
[02:48] <coreymon77> kubuntu=good
[02:48] <flaccid> proven insecure is different
[02:49] <ad> flaccid:  can not see the x&&vnc package in my gui :\
[02:49] <hazard2> anything that mindlessly executes what it downlaods is bad
[02:49] <flaccid> ad: have you got universe repos enabled?
[02:50] <ad> flaccid:  good question ... Got a fresh breezy ... so maybe not
[02:50] <flaccid> !universe > ad
[02:50] <ad> source.list to change no ?
[02:50] <ad> !universe
[02:50] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:50] <flaccid> yes add to /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:53] <ad> flaccid:  i used adept ... and enabled 4 thing (universe )
[02:53] <ad> but when i fetch i got a error
[02:53] <flaccid> whats the error
[02:54] <ad> "there was a error dowloading updates" is the error
[02:55] <ad> flaccid: do i need to disable something ?
[02:55] <RogueJediX> hazard2: Know anything about a missing libmpencoders.a file?
[02:55] <flaccid> ad: sudo apt-get update
[02:55] <flaccid> ad: then get the error from there
[02:56] <hazard2> nope...
[02:56] <hazard2> soz
[02:56] <hazard2> I haven't done this in a while.
[02:57] <hazard2> (given I have systems building the binaries all the time, but they're headless GUIless, and for dedicated functions)
[02:57] <Jarn> I am having problems installing Dapper. When I select "
[02:58] <Jarn> "Start or Install", it freezes trying to uncompress the kernel.
[02:58] <Jarn> My guess is that it is a hardware problem.
[02:58] <Jarn> But is there any way to fix it?
[02:58] <hazard2> well, that explains why I can't ssh to this machine, OpenSSH isn't installed
[02:58] <ad> flaccid: message is in french .. Try to translate : ressource temporaly non available
[02:58] <hazard2> you're sure you have enough ram?
[02:59] <Schuenemann> ricanelite: hey, I just installed it :)
[03:00] <flaccid> ad: is adept or any other package managers running? or is that error after it tries to get the update list from the universe mirror?
[03:00] <T3hWiz0rd> I feel bad for abandoning the boys in #suse :-(
[03:01] <Schuenemann> suse is still nice
[03:01] <ad> flaccid:  adept is closed . but error occurs few secons after command line... Maybe adept is not well closed
[03:01] <ad> there is no try to update
[03:01] <flaccid> check processes
[03:02] <ad> flaccid: looking for the command ...
[03:02] <flaccid> ps aux | grep -i adept
[03:02] <flaccid> ps aux | grep dpkg
[03:03] <coreymon77> yast sucks
[03:03] <flaccid> !yast
[03:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yast - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:03] <flaccid> looks like it
[03:03] <Schuenemann> lol
[03:03] <coreymon77> yast deleted my entire home firectory during an upgrade
[03:04] <Schuenemann> hey, how do I change user to root?
[03:04] <flaccid> wtf is it/?
[03:04] <flaccid> Schuenemann: does root have a password?
[03:04] <Schuenemann> is there a default pass?
[03:04] <Schuenemann> I wasn't asked about one
[03:04] <flaccid> no there isn't
[03:04] <flaccid> Schuenemann: why do you need su ?
[03:04] <Schuenemann> ?
[03:04] <ad> flaccid:  what i suppoed to see with the first command ?
[03:04] <Schuenemann> many reasons
[03:05] <flaccid> Schuenemann: have you used sudo before?
[03:05] <Schuenemann> nope
[03:05] <Schuenemann> I just installed it
[03:05] <flaccid> ad: if an adept process is active
[03:05] <flaccid> ok cool
[03:05] <flaccid> !find sudo
[03:05] <ubotu> Found: gksu, sudo, dpsyco-sudo, gnome-sudoku, ksudoku (and 1 others)
[03:05] <flaccid> !sudo
[03:05] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:06] <flaccid> the default user is in the admin group which means you can sudo out of the box
[03:06] <flaccid> sudo command
[03:06] <ad> flaccid: ok but whatever the name a line apeears ... How to know it is on ?
[03:06] <flaccid> and then specify your password
[03:06] <flaccid> i mean enter your passwd
[03:06] <Schuenemann> the password for my user?
[03:06] <flaccid> ad: how many lines does that command return?
[03:07] <ad> flaccid:  one
[03:07] <flaccid> Schuenemann: yes, yourself
[03:07] <flaccid> ad: none is running
[03:07] <Schuenemann> but what if I want to login as su?
[03:07] <flaccid> Schuenemann: for what?
[03:08] <ad> flaccid: if one is running how many lines ? 2 ?
[03:08] <Schuenemann> who knows?
[03:08] <flaccid> yes
[03:08] <flaccid> its not required
[03:08] <Schuenemann> every distribution I used had it, it seems weird not having one
[03:08] <flaccid> its better for security
[03:09] <flaccid> but you can enable it by doing sudo passwd root
[03:09] <ad> flaccid: can not locked /var/lib/apt/lists/lock" is a part of the error
[03:09] <Schuenemann> I see the instructions on that page
[03:09] <Schuenemann> thanks
[03:09] <flaccid> but there is no reason to have root access normally. never login to X as root etc.
[03:10] <Jarn> When I try to start Dapper off the CD, it freezed at "Booting the kernel". Anyone know how to fix this?
[03:10] <flaccid> ad: what does: ps aux | grep apt | grep lock return?
[03:10] <Schuenemann> jarn: did you check if the media is ok?
[03:10] <Jarn> As in the disk?
[03:10] <Schuenemann> the CD
[03:10] <Jarn> The disk is fine.
[03:10] <Jarn> Yes.
[03:10] <ad> flaccid:  nothing !
[03:11] <flaccid> ad: ps aux | grep -i apt
[03:11] <RogueJediX> Yeesh, 3 o'clock already. Gotta get to bed
[03:11] <flaccid> what does that return
[03:11] <RogueJediX> hazard2: Would you mind giving me a shout if you find anything out about that error?
[03:11] <ricanelite> Where you live Rogue?
[03:11] <Jarn> Schuenemann: I am fairly certain it's not a problem with the disk since it happens with both a Kubuntu 32-bit disk and a Kubuntu 64-bit disk.
[03:12] <flaccid> Jarn: could be hardware hard to tell
[03:12] <Jarn> flaccid: Is there anyway I can find out?
[03:12] <flaccid> there might be but i don't know
[03:12] <flaccid> sorry
[03:12] <Jarn> flaccid: I /think/ that this might be my problem: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/38263
[03:12] <Schuenemann> I don't know, I asked because I just had that problem and it was the CD
[03:13] <Jarn> flaccid: But the only fix there is to use Edgy.
[03:13] <ad> flaccid: something hard to understand for me :\
[03:13] <flaccid> hmm yeah acpi seems to interfere quit a bit with kubuntu
[03:13] <Jarn> What is acpi?
[03:13] <flaccid> !acpi
[03:13] <ubotu> acpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.09-1 (dapper), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64)
[03:14] <hazard2> alrighty jedi
[03:14] <flaccid> power manager
[03:14] <ad> flaccid: there is that too : apt-get install mysql-server
[03:14] <flaccid> ad:huh?
[03:14] <RogueJediX> Thanks, hazard2
[03:14] <RogueJediX> Well, nighty night
[03:14] <hazard2> night
[03:15] <Jarn> flaccid: Is that what all these (https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/38263/comments/4) are for, to stop acpi from starting?
[03:15] <ad> flaccid: i install mysql few hours ago
[03:15] <Jarn> flaccid: I tried several of those and got errors.
[03:15] <flaccid> Jarn: i wish i could help further
[03:15] <Jarn> flaccid: Okay, thanks anyway.
[03:15] <flaccid> i had to disable acpi on my kubuntu server because it stopped the cpu fan. now i think the cpu is stuffed.
[03:15] <tk> Jarn: I had the same problem and it was because the CD didnt pass the checksum despite the download reporting no errors
[03:16] <Jarn> tk: My CD did pass the checksum.
[03:16] <mini_g> how do i edit a file from within bash?
[03:16] <tk> jarn: ok, disregard then :P
[03:16] <Schuenemann> I had problems with the checksum too
[03:16] <Jarn> tk: Or atleast, when I did the ISO. Is there a way to check the CD after the burn process to make sure it burned correctly?
[03:17] <fignew> mini_g: nano
[03:17] <Schuenemann> yes
[03:17] <Schuenemann> after you boot, there is that option
[03:18] <mini_g> fignew: kk
[03:18] <Schuenemann> and that was exacly what happened to me: the ISO was ok, the burning process not
[03:18] <Jarn> Schuenemann: Check the CD for Defects?
[03:18] <Schuenemann> yes
[03:18] <ad> flaccid: maybe i should kill mysql-server install ?
[03:18] <Jarn> That freezes at "Booting the Kernel"
[03:18] <Jarn> Apparently that also needs to boot the kernel.
[03:18] <Jarn> And anything that would need to boot the kernel is not working, apparently.
[03:18] <Schuenemann> ouch
[03:19] <flaccid> ad: pastebin the whole output of sudo apt-get update
[03:19] <Jarn> And again, I do not think that it is the CD since I burned a 64-bit and a 32-bit, and both do the same thing.
[03:19] <Schuenemann> I'm sorry I can't help
[03:19] <Jarn> I guess I'll just install
[03:19] <Jarn> I guess I'll just install Breezy.
[03:19] <Jarn> Or wait till Edgy comes out.
[03:21] <flaccid> or try ubuntu then install kubuntu-desktop
[03:21] <ad> http://pastebin.ca/201919 flaccid
[03:22] <thul> hmm, how long will an average kubuntuinstall take?
[03:22] <Torched_> 45 minutes
[03:24] <flaccid> hmm restart, ad
[03:24] <flaccid> unfortunately
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Torched_: only on a very slow machine, surely
[03:25] <Hobbsee> thul: probably about 30 mins - you dont need to be there all the time though
[03:25] <flaccid> ad: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2008362#post2008362
[03:25] <ad> flaccid: ok ...
[03:26] <flaccid> if you don't wanna reboot ^^
[03:27] <T3hWiz0rd> suppose i want kde 3.5.5 on kubuntu... is there a repo out for it right now?
[03:28] <fignew> T3hWiz0rd: kubuntu homepage
[03:28] <coreymon77> ya
[03:28] <coreymon77> how do i get kde 3.5.5
[03:28] <coreymon77> apt-get install what?
[03:28] <Astro-Freshmex> hi can i receive some support please?
[03:28] <Schuenemann> apt-cache search kde ?
[03:28] <flaccid> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:29] <flaccid> after you add a mirror repos for kde 3.5.5
[03:29] <flaccid> to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:29] <coreymon77> doesnt the dapper-update repo include it?
[03:29] <Astro-Freshmex> anyone who knows samba?
[03:29] <flaccid> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-355.php
[03:29] <flaccid> Astro-Freshmex: i do
[03:30] <mini_g> !grub
[03:30] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:30] <Astro-Freshmex> hi flaccid
[03:30] <Astro-Freshmex> okay when i use a program such as komba2
[03:30] <Astro-Freshmex> i mount the share but it wont stay mounted
[03:30] <ad> flaccid: i m back :)
[03:31] <T3hWiz0rd> brb+
[03:31] <Astro-Freshmex> i.e. once you click mount it doesn't really mount.
[03:31] <flaccid> ad: cool
[03:31] <ad> no sudo apt-get update work ...*
[03:31] <flaccid> Astro-Freshmex: sorry never used komba2
[03:31] <Astro-Freshmex> what did you use?
[03:31] <hazard2> 'doh
[03:31] <flaccid> for client?
[03:31] <Astro-Freshmex> yes
[03:31] <ad> flaccid: so no i need universe
[03:31] <hazard2> I forgot that the fb2 driver in mplayer _ALWAYS_ KPs.
[03:31] <flaccid> like gui to mount network smb shares?
[03:31] <coreymon77> do i need to add the mirrors?
[03:32] <coreymon77> or is the kubuntu.org repo enough?
[03:32] <flaccid> coreymon77: just 1 of them
[03:32] <Schuenemann> which one is the grub conf file?
[03:32] <coreymon77> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355 dapper main
[03:32] <thul> Hobbsee: hmm, ok, I tried to boot kubuntu now, but it would not boot at all.. so I guess I'm kind of stuck anyway:)
[03:32] <Astro-Freshmex> yes please flaccid
[03:32] <T3hWiz0rd> okay to update kde what would i put in? just apt-get install kde?
[03:32] <coreymon77> that one is already in my soureces.list
[03:32] <Astro-Freshmex> i get suid root errors (not root)
[03:32] <coreymon77> is that alright?
[03:32] <flaccid> Astro-Freshmex: smb4k
[03:32] <flaccid> !smb4k
[03:32] <Astro-Freshmex> i had that one
[03:32] <felixjet> !wine
[03:32] <ubotu> smb4k: A Samba (SMB) share advanced browser for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.5-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 489 kB, installed size 2032 kB
[03:32] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:32] <Schuenemann> !grub
[03:32] <Astro-Freshmex> hang on i'll get it again
[03:32] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:33] <Astro-Freshmex> also chown isn't working as well as i want to
[03:33] <Astro-Freshmex> london@london-medic:~$ sudo chown london /home/london/sDisk
[03:33] <Astro-Freshmex> chown: changing ownership of `/home/london/sDisk': Operation not permitted
[03:33] <coreymon77> will deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355 dapper main be okay?
[03:33] <Astro-Freshmex> sDisk being my mount disc
[03:33] <Astro-Freshmex> disk*
[03:34] <mini_g> *sigh* i hate reinstalling an os over'n'over
[03:34] <Astro-Freshmex> london@london-medic:~$ sudo chown london /home/london/sDisk
[03:34] <Astro-Freshmex> chown: changing ownership of `/home/london/sDisk': Operation not permitted
[03:34] <Astro-Freshmex> ops :s
[03:34] <flaccid> is it mounted?
[03:34] <thul> Any suggestions? Kubuntu boots up fine, I come to the menu, choose "start or install kubuntu", then kubuntu does "loading important drivers (or something like that ok" and Loading kernel... ok
[03:34] <thul> and there it stops.
[03:34] <Schuenemann> bad CD?
[03:34] <coreymon77> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355 dapper main is already in my sources.list
[03:35] <Schuenemann> flaccid: hey, what is the grub conf file?
[03:35] <coreymon77> so do i just do apt-get update then apt-get upgrade
[03:35] <flaccid> coreymon77: update and upgrade with your fav pacakage manager
[03:35] <Astro-Freshmex> yes
[03:35] <coreymon77> or should i do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[03:35] <Astro-Freshmex> i used the smbmount command
[03:35] <flaccid> coreymon77: negative
[03:35] <coreymon77> my fav package manager is konsole
[03:35] <Astro-Freshmex> poor you :P
[03:35] <flaccid> Astro-Freshmex: unmount it first
[03:35] <coreymon77> :P
[03:35] <ad> flaccid: oh i lost your link to get universe repos ...
[03:36] <thul> Schuenemann: well, when i mount it in poweriso, it works fine in windows too
[03:36] <coreymon77> whats the konsole command
[03:36] <thul> i guess I'll redownload and reburn
[03:36] <Astro-Freshmex> which command do i use please? i knwo mounitng but not the unmounting of it
[03:36] <flaccid> !source-o-matic try that ad
[03:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about source-o-matic try that ad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:36] <Schuenemann> thul: was the ISO checksum ok?
[03:36] <flaccid> !source-o-matic > ad
[03:36] <T3hWiz0rd> okay can somoen tell me what to run in apt-get to upgrade kde 3.5.5? i have the deb added now
[03:36] <coreymon77> flaccid, whats the terminal command
[03:37] <thul> Schuenemann: i can check.
[03:37] <flaccid> T3hWiz0rd: fetch list of of updates, then install
[03:37] <flaccid> coreymon77: for what?
[03:37] <Astro-Freshmex> T3hWiz0rd: sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[03:37] <coreymon77> kde 355
[03:37] <coreymon77> the apt command
[03:37] <flaccid> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:38] <T3hWiz0rd> okay
[03:38] <T3hWiz0rd> i wasn't sure if i was supposed to put "upgrade kubuntu-desktop" or something.
[03:39] <T3hWiz0rd> hmmm
[03:39] <Astro-Freshmex> flaccid: whats the command to unmount?
[03:39] <T3hWiz0rd> to link a program you type ln -s right?
[03:40] <flaccid> Astro-Freshmex: sudo umount /home/london/sDisk
[03:40] <hazard2> alright
[03:40] <hazard2> that's it
[03:40] <hazard2> now I'm confused
[03:41] <hazard2> I changed the hostname in the /etc/hostname file
[03:41] <hazard2> now, I can't sudo (again), just like when I changed it with sudo hostname [name]  (except restarting after that didn't keep the change)
[03:41] <Astro-Freshmex> ah right okay cool done
[03:41] <hazard2> why can I not change the hostname without breaking sudo?
[03:41] <coreymon77> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:42] <flaccid> hazard2: did you change /etc/hosts
[03:42] <hazard2> ah...
[03:42] <hazard2> no...
[03:42] <coreymon77> it wont let me upgrade
[03:42] <Astro-Freshmex> once i unmount it the group changes back to mine
[03:42] <ccherrett> anyone know what the dev packages for alsa are?
[03:42] <hazard2> why does the local hostname need to be bound to 127.0.1.1?
[03:42] <Astro-Freshmex> smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)
[03:42] <Astro-Freshmex> smbmnt failed: 1
[03:42] <ad> flaccid: yeah ok ! i got universe and pick up x11vnc :)
[03:43] <coreymon77> how do i check what version of kde i have?
[03:43] <Astro-Freshmex> is it possible to mount it whilst not being root?
[03:43] <ad> What was the second one I ve forgotten :\
[03:43] <hazard2> isn't the normal loopback localhost fine?
[03:43] <flaccid> ad: cool
[03:43] <flaccid> Astro-Freshmex: yes chown it to your username, then mount using smbmount
[03:43] <flaccid> chown the mountpoint ie. /home/london/sDisk
[03:43] <ad> flaccid: wht was the second one you talked to me .... freenx ?
[03:44] <flaccid> !freenx > ad
[03:44] <Astro-Freshmex> yeah its already mine
[03:44] <flaccid> cool
[03:44] <ad> flaccid: don't see your > :(
[03:44] <ad> !freenx
[03:44] <ubotu> freenx is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[03:44] <Astro-Freshmex> but when i sudo smbmount, it changes to root
[03:44] <Search4Lancer> has anyone here installed Firefox 2 yet?
[03:45] <flaccid> Astro-Freshmex: don't use sudo just use smbmount
[03:45] <flaccid> but you also need to supply a umask
[03:45] <ad> flaccid: freenx is multiverse ?
[03:45] <coreymon77> guys
[03:45] <Schuenemann> flaccid: how can I edit /boot/grub/menu.lst without having su?
[03:45] <coreymon77> i cant install kde 3.5.5
[03:45] <Schuenemann> I want to edit with kate or similar
[03:45] <flaccid> Schuenemann: kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:45] <ccherrett> I used apt-cache but I cannot tell wich packages hold the header files?
[03:46] <Schuenemann> so kdesu is for graphical UI?
[03:46] <T3hWiz0rd> its now showing any upgrades available for kde for me :-(
[03:46] <flaccid> Schuenemann: yeah you get a prompt
[03:46] <Astro-Freshmex> london@london-medic:~$ smbmount //MEDIC-S01/iDisk /home/london/sDisk -o username=~~,password=~~
[03:46] <Astro-Freshmex> smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)
[03:46] <Astro-Freshmex> smbmnt failed: 1
[03:46] <flaccid> if you have apt-cache try this sudo apt-cache madison kdebase | grep 3.5.5
[03:46] <Schuenemann> hmm, let me try
[03:48] <flaccid> Astro-Freshmex: sudo chmod u+s /usr/bin/smbmount
[03:48] <Astro-Freshmex> that's what i get
[03:48] <T3hWiz0rd> this is dumb it won't let me upgrade to kubuntu-desktop 3.5.5
[03:48] <flaccid> then try the smbmount command again
[03:48] <Astro-Freshmex> oh kay
[03:48] <ad> flaccid: ok I going to sleep ... 3 48 here .. Thanks for your support ByE !
[03:48] <flaccid> ciao
[03:49] <T3hWiz0rd> i added one of the repos for the 3.5.5 upgrade, ran update, ran upgrade... nothing.
[03:49] <Astro-Freshmex> london@london-medic:~$ smbmount //MEDIC-S01/iDisk /home/london/sDisk -o username=~~,password=~~
[03:49] <Astro-Freshmex> libsmb based programs must *NOT* be setuid root.
[03:49] <Astro-Freshmex> 6246: Connection to MEDIC-S01 failed
[03:49] <Astro-Freshmex> SMB connection failed
[03:49] <flaccid> Astro-Freshmex: so that will give you user mount access
[03:49] <ccherrett> anyone know what package holds the alsa headers
[03:49] <ccherrett> for development?
[03:50] <Schuenemann> flaccid: sorry for the silly questions, but how do I change the default boot partition?
[03:50] <flaccid> Astro-Freshmex: i made a mistake
[03:50] <Schuenemann> almost every entry has a "savedefault"
[03:51] <Astro-Freshmex> it's okay
[03:51] <Astro-Freshmex> what happens next?
[03:51] <King_Brad> how do i configure xdcmp to allow connections?
[03:51] <flaccid> Astro-Freshmex: one sec
[03:53] <coreymon77> guys
[03:53] <flaccid> Astro-Freshmex: run this sudo chmod u-s /usr/bin/smbmount && sudo chmod u+s /usr/bin/smbmnt
[03:54] <flaccid> then try the smbmount command under your username again
[03:54] <coreymon77> i just didapt-get upgrade and it said that a ton of packages were held back and only 8 would be upgraded
[03:54] <coreymon77> why is that?
[03:54] <King_Brad> newest version already installed??
[03:55] <coreymon77> no
[03:55] <coreymon77> well i dont know
[03:55] <Astro-Freshmex> oh yeah cool it works a charm :P
[03:55] <coreymon77> how do i check
[03:55] <Astro-Freshmex> thanks flaccid
[03:55] <Astro-Freshmex> and it would now work a-ok for smb4k as well?
[03:55] <King_Brad> can i use xdmcp to remotely login to one of my nix box's that is on my network?
[03:55] <coreymon77> how do i check which version of kde i have
[03:55] <flaccid> Astro-Freshmex: yes
[03:55] <King_Brad> and if so, how do i configure it to allow that?
[03:55] <Astro-Freshmex> what's and u and s in that chmod command? s is sticky, right?
[03:55] <flaccid> coreymon77: pastebin the output of sudo dpkg -l | grep 3.5.5
[03:56] <flaccid> SUID
[03:57] <flaccid> coreymon77: see kde version by right click on kmenu > help > about kde
[03:57] <ricanelite> does anyone here know about MOL??
[03:57] <wizard> now kubuntu wont boot into kde again people
[03:57] <wizard> all i did was reboot the system xorg is exaclty the same everything is exactly the same, it wont boot
[03:57] <coreymon77> o
[03:57] <coreymon77> i have 3.5.3
[03:57] <coreymon77> should i still put the output on pastebin
[03:58] <flaccid> yep
[03:58] <scott__> can anyone tell me how to install kde?
[03:58] <scott__> if I am using ubuntu?
[03:59] <flaccid> scott__: install kubuntu-desktop with your favourite package manager
[03:59] <King_Brad> can i do a "new session in window" instead of full screen and having to switch back and forth?
[03:59] <flaccid> coreymon77: what do you get for sudo apt-cache madison kdebase | grep 3.5.5
[04:00] <coreymon77> i put the sudo dpkg thing on pastebin
[04:00] <coreymon77> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26694/
[04:00] <flaccid> do you have the dapper-updates repos enables as well?
[04:00] <LESBOTRONIC> pants a drop out
[04:01] <nonaino> ola alguien habla espaol
[04:01] <thul> hmm
[04:01] <thul> can my problems with installing be related to my sata-disk?
[04:01] <coreymon77> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26695/
[04:01] <LESBOTRONIC> oops Astro-Freshmex is still connected
[04:01] <coreymon77> that is the apt-cache thing
[04:01] <coreymon77> yup
[04:01] <LESBOTRONIC> anyways, flaccis just wanted to thank you so um yeah. thanks :P
[04:01] <scott__> there was a way of installing kde through a terminal..I forget the command?
[04:01] <LESBOTRONIC> falccid*
[04:01] <flaccid> LESBOTRONIC: np
[04:01] <LESBOTRONIC> flaccid**
[04:01] <LESBOTRONIC> ciao
[04:02] <LjL> !apt-get
[04:02] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[04:02] <flaccid> scott__: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:02] <coreymon77> so ya\
[04:02] <coreymon77> why are over 100 packages being held back
[04:02] <coreymon77> ?
[04:02] <flaccid> do you have dapper-updates repos enabled?
[04:03] <coreymon77> yes
[04:03] <coreymon77> they doint have a # beside them
[04:03] <wizard> lol so sad
[04:03] <flaccid> try a dif mirror perhaps
[04:03] <wizard> i have to reinstall my drivers everytime kubuntu boots
[04:03] <coreymon77> ill putn my sources.list on pastebin
[04:04] <coreymon77> and my apt-get upgrade output
[04:04] <ceros> try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:04] <ricanelite> how do i edit this file /etc/mol/molrc.video?
[04:05] <coreymon77> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26696/ - my sources.list
[04:06] <wizard> fhdf
[04:06] <wizard> ghdf
[04:06] <wizard> gfd
[04:06] <wizard> woop
[04:06] <wizard> ss
[04:06] <wizard> sorry!!!
[04:06] <wizard> wrong window
[04:06] <wizard> won't happen again, my bad everyone
[04:06] <coreymon77> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26697/ - my apt-get upgrade output
[04:07] <wizard> this driver thing is beginningb to fluster me to no ends reach
[04:07] <wizard> i don't get what i am doing wrong
[04:07] <ceros> coreymon77, you could do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:08] <wizard> every single time i reboot kubuntu
[04:08] <wizard> i have to reinstall the nvidia drivers
[04:08] <wizard> EVERY time...
[04:08] <wizard> anyone have a solution?
[04:09] <wizard> !nvidia
[04:09] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:09] <coreymon77> so flaccid
[04:09] <coreymon77> anything?
[04:10] <flaccid> coreymon77: can you try this sources.list : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26699/
[04:10] <wizard> i don't get this :-(
[04:10] <wizard> if kubuntu can't manage my drivers right its sadly going to get booted out of my distro list like suse did
[04:14] <coreymon77> same thing flaccid
[04:14] <coreymon77> 8 upgraded 111 not
[04:15] <wizard> anyone got a good explination as to why kubuntu just sits on the kubuntu splash when i restart kdm?
[04:15] <wizard> i've gone through every possible explination
[04:15] <ceros> coreymon77, sudo apt-get upgrade --ignore-hold
[04:15] <flaccid> coreymon77: got me on that
[04:17] <coreymon77> do that command flaccid?
[04:17] <coreymon77> the ingnor-hold thing
[04:17] <flaccid> yep
[04:17] <coreymon77> that will help it?
[04:18] <wizard> can someone please help me with a major nvidia problem?
[04:18] <coreymon77> exact same thing
[04:18] <coreymon77> it keeps on saying packages have been held back
[04:18] <coreymon77> why?
[04:18] <King_Brad> wizard: are you always this demanding?
[04:19] <coreymon77> why are the packages beeing held back?
[04:19] <wizard> King_Brad: is saying please demanding?
[04:19] <ceros> that's wierd
[04:19] <ceros> can you post your sources.list again?
[04:19] <flaccid> its weird coz kdebase is not in there
[04:19] <flaccid> and lots of other stuff
[04:19] <coreymon77> im using the one that flaccid provided me
[04:19] <flaccid> coreymon77: try commenting out the src entries
[04:19] <coreymon77> do you want my original
[04:19] <King_Brad> wizard:  no, but asking your questing 10 times in 5 mins is... if noone has answered, its prolly because noone is sure...
[04:20] <coreymon77> huh?
[04:20] <coreymon77> do what flac?
[04:20] <wizard> King_Brad: its been driving me nuts pretty much all day
[04:20] <coreymon77> should i use my original sources.list again?
[04:20] <ceros> no
[04:20] <ceros> just show me what you have now
[04:20] <wizard> the thing just returns to the kubuntu splash and sits there, never moves from it
[04:21] <King_Brad> i understand that, this is linux after all
[04:21] <ceros> you should take out deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest dapper main
[04:21] <King_Brad> drivers may have bugs..
[04:21] <wizard> King_Brad: every other distro i've used never did this..
[04:21] <King_Brad> what about suse? i saw you mention that eairler...
[04:22] <wizard> it never did it
[04:22] <coreymon77> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26700/
[04:22] <King_Brad> hrm
[04:22] <wizard> suse never gave me a driver problem... ever
[04:22] <coreymon77> thats it
[04:22] <King_Brad> maybe the drive was not installed correctlY?
[04:22] <King_Brad> have you tired to update kde to latest version?
[04:23] <coreymon77> okay ceros?
[04:23] <ceros> ok
[04:23] <ceros> take out deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest dapper main
[04:23] <ceros> do sudo apt-get update
[04:23] <felixjet> i hate when im editing a file with kate and it auto-create a "backup" file. it is possible to prevent it?
[04:24] <ceros> sudo apt-get upgrade --ignore-hold
[04:24] <RobNYC_> I have a problem with my kde wallet
[04:24] <RobNYC_> i enter the password and it comes up saying is wrong
[04:24] <intelikey> wizard if you don't like *buntu don't use it.   you wont hurt our feeling by not using it.   if you like it use it if not, then 86 it and move on.
[04:24] <felixjet> nevermingd, found
[04:24] <wizard> King_Brad: i imagine that after 9 times or so of installing the driver it should be installed just fine... everytime i boot to kubuntu i have to reinstall the driver.
[04:25] <wizard> King_Brad: because it just sits on the kubuntu splash and does nothing
[04:25] <King_Brad> have you tried updating kde?
[04:25] <wizard> King_Brad: i ran the updates a little while ago
[04:25] <King_Brad> hrm
[04:25] <wizard> i just reinstalled the nvidia driver again and changed some stuff in xorg.conf to match my own prefs.
[04:25] <wizard> it sets the card name as NVIDIA generic graphics card
[04:25] <Momal> garr damn kopete >_<
[04:25] <wizard> which isn't what it is at all lol... Renamed it to NVIDIA Geforce 7800GS
[04:26] <King_Brad> well to be honest with you, this is way beyond the scope of my knowlage, i dont use video drivers other then the ones that it auto loads, because i use this machine for well, messing around... my gameing pc is winblowz still...
[04:26] <wizard> King_Brad: just rebooted again and back to splash
[04:26] <Momal> wizard: mine does that as well i have a geforce7800GT and it just says generic graphics card
[04:26] <King_Brad> maybe the video driver for the 7800 for kubuntu is buggy... that is a fairly new card...
[04:26] <intelikey> the card idintifyer could read "bob died last week"  it's just an id nothing more.
[04:27] <wizard> its been out over a year 0.o
[04:27] <Momal> Im runing the latest from the website :)
[04:27] <King_Brad> thats new in my book
[04:27] <King_Brad> lol
[04:27] <Momal> 8774 or something like that
[04:27] <wizard> intelikey: then why is it everytime i boot into linux i have to reinstall the drivers over and over and over.
[04:27] <King_Brad> it always loads the :generic" driver and u just rename it?
[04:27] <intelikey> you don't have too.  like i said if you don't like it don't use it.
[04:27] <wizard> intelikey: i can reinstall the drivers right now, they'lll work, i'll reboot, and they'll stop
[04:28] <intelikey> if you don't like it don't use it.
[04:28] <King_Brad> okay, well back to my problem, is thier a GUI in kubuntu to configure remote logins via xdmcp?
[04:29] <intelikey> wizard if you really want to fix it.   fix the "totally stupid" ubuntu init script that sets up xorg automatically at boot time.
[04:29] <wizard> is there a guide to it?
[04:30] <intelikey> i don't recall the name of the script  but it's in the /etc/init.d/ dir  and it reconfigures xorg at boot time.
[04:30] <intelikey> and i doubt that there is any guide.
[04:30] <intelikey> first thing i did when i installed is rebuild init to suit myself.
[04:31] <ceros> coreymon77, is it working?
[04:31] <intelikey> so i get along with this linux software just fine.  but i'm kinda like you wizard i don't get along with "*buntu" spicific anything.
[04:32] <wizard> intelikey: nvidia-installer --uninstall uninstalls the drivers from the website right?
[04:32] <wizard> now i am trying to use the onesp roviding on the apt-get repositories
[04:33] <intelikey> there is a guide for the nv drivers
[04:33] <wizard> intelikey: i simply followed the guide as close as i could.
[04:33] <intelikey> !ati
[04:33] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:33] <wizard> intelikey: http://cholito.org/2006/03/17/installing-nvidia-drivers-in-ubuntu/ << this is what i followed
[04:33] <King_Brad> !xdmcp
[04:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xdmcp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:34] <hazard2> SUCESS!!!
[04:34] <hazard2> sudo is FINALLY fixed.
[04:34] <intelikey> but there is an init script that messes with your xorg.conf   you can sudo chattr +i /etc/X11/xorg.conf   and boot and watch which script complains about it.
[04:35] <King_Brad> how can i check what version of KDE i am running?
[04:35] <intelikey> dpkg -l kde
[04:36] <King_Brad> brad@brad:~$ dpkg -l kde
[04:36] <King_Brad> No packages found matching kde.
[04:36] <intelikey> kde-core then
[04:36] <King_Brad> same thing
[04:37] <intelikey> kde-core - the K Desktop Environment core modules
[04:37] <King_Brad> brad@brad:~$ dpkg -l kde-core
[04:37] <King_Brad> No packages found matching kde-core.
[04:37] <intelikey> i guess you don't have kde .....
[04:38] <King_Brad> kde-config --version  <--- that worked
[04:38] <ryanr> King_Brad try dpkg -l kdm
[04:38] <intelikey> if you are pretty sure that you do   try    dpkg -l | grep kde
[04:38] <King_Brad> well, im using it right now
[04:38] <King_Brad> so im sure its there somewhere
[04:39] <intelikey> ryanr would the version of kdm and kde be the same ?
[04:39] <ryanr> I believe they are the same thing
[04:40] <King_Brad> yes
[04:40] <King_Brad> it will show u the version of KDE
[04:40] <King_Brad> with that dpkg -I kdm command
[04:40] <coreymon77> sorry
[04:40] <coreymon77> i was in the shower
[04:40] <coreymon77> what were you saying ceros
[04:41] <intelikey> i didn't know if the versions matched or not.  you can have one and not the othere....
[04:42] <intelikey> ah maybe it's kdebase-bin
[04:43] <wizard> intelikey: can you tell me what to remove in init.d so that it won't reconfigure xorg on boot?
[04:44] <coreymon77> hey
[04:44] <coreymon77> ceros
[04:44] <coreymon77> what you said didnt help
[04:44] <coreymon77> i deleted that repo and nothing changed
[04:45] <intelikey> wizard no but you can   grep -Hie'xorg' /etc/init.d/*     and prolly find it pretty quick.
[04:45] <coreymon77> ceros, it didnt help
[04:46] <coreymon77> ceros: what did flac mean when he said comment out the src entries
[04:46] <wizard> i was starting to like kubuntu again too :-(
[04:46] <intelikey> oh don't do that.
[04:46] <coreymon77> what do i do now ceros
[04:46] <ceros> probably meant deb-src entries
[04:47] <ceros> but i never comment those out
[04:47] <wizard> it looks like autoruns dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[04:47] <coreymon77> okay
[04:47] <coreymon77> what do i do now?
[04:47] <ceros> i'm going to send you my sources.list file
[04:47] <wizard> displayconfig-hwprobe.py
[04:47] <wizard> should i remove it intelikey?
[04:47] <intelikey> wizard yep look in that one.
[04:47] <intelikey> edit
[04:48] <Momal> anyone know much about kopete here? or might know how to fix my prob: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/202037
[04:48] <intelikey> edit   not remove.  edit
[04:48] <ceros> oh
[04:48] <ceros> never registered
[04:48] <ceros> hold on
[04:48] <wizard> intelikey: remove the line dpkg-reconfigure?
[04:49] <intelikey> wizard you know anything about init scripts ?    or shell scripts in general ?
[04:49] <coreymon77> never registered for what ceros?
[04:49] <ceros> to send messages through freenode
[04:49] <coreymon77> oh
[04:49] <wizard> intelikey: not really... i blanked out the command line where it reconfigures itself
[04:49] <coreymon77> you idnt register with nickserv?
[04:50] <intelikey> wizard try commenting the line out.     prepend #
[04:50] <wizard> just did that
[04:50] <wizard> intelikey: i guess i knew a little eh?
[04:50] <intelikey> # this line is commented out.
[04:50] <wizard> intelikey: its rebooting
[04:50] <wizard> intelikey: i did two of them lol
[04:50] <wizard> ##cmd
[04:50] <wizard> same difference though, makes ite asier for me to see
[04:51] <intelikey> yeah what ever feels right.
[04:51] <coreymon77> you registered yet ceros?
[04:51] <wizard> intelikey: i just want it to boot up and work... you think that line could of been it?
[04:52] <ceros> yeah
[04:52] <wizard> intelikey: :-(
[04:52] <wizard> it still isn't loading X
[04:52] <intelikey> wizard but did it change your xorg.conf file this time?
[04:53] <coreymon77> so now what?
[04:53] <wizard> intelikey: let me look
[04:53] <ceros> hold on
[04:54] <wizard> nothing that i can see
[04:54] <intelikey> k then that problem is solve'ed   now as to why you have no X on boot ....
[04:54] <ceros> ok
[04:54] <ceros> did you get it
[04:55] <intelikey> what do you get wizard ?
[04:55] <intelikey> does the screen blank and then flash back to the frame buffer ?
[04:56] <intelikey> wizard or does it never even try to start xorg ?
[04:56] <mabreaux> Trying to install a network printer on edgy and it is not working.  Says can not load printer list.
[04:56] <wizard> intelikey: it blanks
[04:56] <wizard> intelikey: then goes back to the kubuntu splash
[04:57] <rexbron> what command do you use to list pids from the command line?
[04:57] <intelikey> k look at   cat /var/log/xorg.0.*   error should be last thing printed
[04:58] <intelikey> or last few lines.
[04:58] <wizard> intelikey: "fatal error: no screens found"
[04:58] <wizard> and above that
[04:58] <intelikey> rexbron i use pid  but you need to use   ps -A x
[04:58] <wizard> EE Screens found but none have a usable configuration
[04:59] <Torched_> !permissions
[04:59] <ubotu> The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[04:59] <wizard> intelikey: it also says it failed to initialize the nvidia kernel module
[04:59] <wizard> ohhh...... OHHH
[04:59] <wizard> aren't you supposed to modprobe -v nvidia?
[05:00] <ceros> you there coreymon?
[05:00] <intelikey> wizard ok  then the xorg.conf is not right for the driver selected and monitor discriptor   if you have nvidia drivers properly installed and your xorg.conf lists the driver as "nvidia"   NOT  'nv'   then it's in the monitor section.  else check the drivers again.
[05:00] <rexbron> intelikey: Thanks
[05:00] <mabreaux> I am trying to install a network printer on edgy. and getting the can not load printer list. error.  is there a work around?
[05:00] <ceros> coreymon?
[05:00] <wizard> intelikey: shouldn't i also add modprobe -v nvidia
[05:01] <coreymon> who is the op here
[05:01] <coreymon> can they kick coreymon77
[05:01] <coreymon> something messed up with my internet and now  cant use the name anymore
[05:01] <intelikey> wizard you can put that in /etc/modprob.d/  i think
[05:01] <coreymon> ceros
[05:01] <ceros> yeah
[05:01] <coreymon> how do i kick my nick
[05:02] <coreymon> coreymon77 isnt actually online
[05:02] <coreymon> my internet messed
[05:02] <intelikey> or in /etc/modules   it's deperciated but still useful
[05:02] <ceros> don't know
[05:02] <ceros> i'm new to irc
[05:02] <coreymon> konversation restarted
[05:02] <coreymon> i cna tuse my name anymore
[05:02] <rexbron> !kill
[05:02] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[05:02] <coreymon> wait a sec
[05:02] <wizard> intelikey: i forgot to add the mobprobe
[05:02] <intelikey> coreymon /msg nickesrv help
[05:02] <wizard> modprobe*
[05:02] <intelikey> nickserv ^
[05:03] <soundmaster80> is anyone here using edgy?
[05:03] <wizard> intelikey: and that can cause conflicts cant it? if the nvidia module isn't laoded into kernel?
[05:03] <soundmaster80> i just updated networkmanager and for some reason it's either not starting or hanging
[05:03] <intelikey> then do the modprobe and sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[05:03] <wizard> intelikey: it came back up
[05:03] <wizard> intelikey: i am rebooting now
[05:04] <intelikey> ok but this is not M$ reboot...
[05:04] <Momal> anyone know where Ican find a kopete 0.12.2 deb? or earlier ?
[05:04] <coreymon77> sorry bout that
[05:04] <coreymon77> im back
[05:04] <ceros> ok
[05:04] <coreymon77> ceros
[05:04] <ceros> yeah
[05:04] <coreymon77> im back now
[05:04] <coreymon77> i just ctrl+alt+bkspced
[05:04] <ceros> alright
[05:04] <ceros> go to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185758
[05:05] <wizard> intelikey: nopeeeee
[05:05] <wizard> intelikey: bye bye kubuntu
[05:05] <ceros> use the sources.list there
[05:05] <wizard> i've had enough
[05:05] <intelikey> wizard don't blame you really.   i put it on the list a long time ago.
[05:05] <ceros> than add deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355 dapper main
[05:05] <ceros> and deb-src http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355 dapper main
[05:06] <thul> hmm, I had to give kubuntu up.. :-( but thanks for the help!
[05:06] <ceros> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:06] <wizard> intelikey: i cna't believe how difficult its been to set up... DRIVERS...
[05:06] <ceros> sudo apt-get update
[05:06] <intelikey> wizard but it could be much worse.  it could have costed you M$  :)
[05:06] <wizard> simple, basic, nvidia drivers that never gave me a single problem elsewhere.
[05:06] <ceros> sudo apt-get upgrade --ignore-hold
[05:06] <wizard> intelikey: i tried, i really did... i came from suse and gave kubuntu my best run
[05:06] <wizard> ITS LISTED
[05:06] <wizard> and now suse is listed
[05:07] <wizard> so i need to find a new distro :-(
[05:07] <linuxbomb> How can i tell adept that I don't want to upgrade this package and quit showing me a !
[05:07] <intelikey> mandriva slackware fedora-core debain gentoo puppy colage ....  you name it.
[05:08] <Dr_willis> LinuxXP
[05:08] <Dr_willis> or XPLinux :)
[05:08] <wizard> intelikey: it just crashes to that stupid splash screen everytime i boot
[05:08] <wizard> slack is too hard for me to figure out its all source lol
[05:08] <intelikey> i thought you just said you gave up on it.
[05:08] <coreymon77> ahh!!!
[05:08] <coreymon77> this doesnt have the sources repos!
[05:08] <ceros> it should
[05:09] <coreymon77> wait
[05:09] <coreymon77> i think it may
[05:09] <coreymon77> does this have everything i do
[05:09] <ceros> except for dapper-proposed
[05:09] <coreymon77> does this have everything i would need
[05:09] <intelikey> slack != all source    gentoo == all source   slack == tar archives  but they are packages
[05:09] <ceros> i don't use it though
[05:09] <coreymon77> should i get that?
[05:09] <wizard> intelikey: looking at it frustrates me
[05:09] <ceros> no
[05:09] <wizard> intelikey: it REALLY frustrates me
[05:09] <tmdx120_> does anyone know abou a program called citrix?
[05:09] <wizard> intelikey: i am thinknig about fedora core but fedora core and I don't bond well
[05:10] <ceros> did you remember to add deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355 dapper main
[05:10] <wizard> i'ven ever tried mandriva
[05:10] <ceros> and deb-src http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355 dapper main
[05:10] <coreymon77> it doesnt have them?
[05:10] <ceros> you have to add the last two in
[05:10] <intelikey> that tells me you are so addicted to ubuntu linux that you are willing to pull your own hair out just to fight with it wizard
[05:10] <coreymon77> okay
[05:10] <wizard> i thought debian would be nice, intelikey... lots of packages for it.
[05:10] <wizard> intelikey: i am addicted to linux... period
[05:10] <ryanr> is anyone using edgy having problems with firefox with the flash 7 plugin?
[05:11] <wizard> intelikey: doesn't matter where it comes from its linxu
[05:11] <Momal> anyone know where Ican find a kopete 0.12.2 deb? or earlier ?
[05:11] <intelikey> the only reason i still have *buntu installed ^  it's linux
[05:12] <phoenix_> anybody know how I'd go about deleting /home/user/.local files?
[05:12] <wizard> intelikey: i am considering reinstalling suse 10.1 from the ground up
[05:12] <wizard> intelikey: today they finally released the respins
[05:12] <wizard> intelikey: so it may be better
[05:12] <phoenix_> I have 15gb of trash there
[05:12] <Torched_> i don't seem to have permission to copy things to hda2
[05:12] <Torched_> how do i change that
[05:12] <Dr_willis> phoenix_,  how many users do you have?
[05:12] <wizard> intelikey: sadly suse does beat kubuntu
[05:12] <intelikey> phoenix_ rm
[05:12] <wizard> intelikey: i always try to be fair first
[05:13] <phoenix_> It's from a previous install
[05:13] <Dr_willis> Torched_,  what kind of drive/partition is hda2?
[05:13] <coreymon77> just add those 2 anywhere in my sources.list file?
[05:13] <Torched_> ntfs
[05:13] <phoenix_> I've allready changed ownership
[05:13] <ceros> yeah
[05:13] <Torched_> it's not a separate drive, just a partition
[05:13] <intelikey> wizard imo mandrake beet ubuntu  but don't tell anyone in here i said that.
[05:13] <coreymon77> same think
[05:13] <Dr_willis> Torched_,  thats SUch a faq. to let Users access the ntfs drives the fstab needs to be similer to... (let me paste mine)
[05:13] <intelikey> ooops !
[05:13] <coreymon77> samething i mean
[05:14] <Dr_willis>        /dev/hda1       /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[05:14] <ceros> you're leaving an extra line at the end right?
[05:14] <ceros> a blank line i mean
[05:14] <Torched_> yeah that's how mine looks Dr_willis
[05:14] <phoenix_> rm won't remove directories
[05:15] <coreymon77> ???
[05:15] <coreymon77> yup
[05:15] <ceros> ok
[05:15] <Dr_willis> Torched_,  is your FIRST user the one accessing it? or some other user?
[05:15] <ceros> and did you do sudo dpkg --configure -a ?
[05:15] <Torched_> there is only one user
[05:15] <coreymon77> i am
[05:15] <ceros> you mean you did?
[05:15] <Dr_willis> Torched_,  Hmm...  this is the only user youve ever had on the system? youve not moved/added/removed any?
[05:16] <Torched_> nope, never
[05:16] <Torched_> when i look at the permissions in konqueror, it says it's owned by root
[05:16] <Dr_willis> what group does it say its owned by?
[05:16] <coreymon77> i did
[05:16] <Torched_> plugdev
[05:16] <ceros> ok
[05:16] <intelikey> Torched_ sudo rm /home/<username>/.local -fr
[05:16] <Dr_willis> Torched_,  identical to mine..
[05:17] <ceros> do sudo adept_updater
[05:17] <Dr_willis> Torched_,  if you can see the files... then whats the problem? or am i missing somthin ghere.
[05:17] <Torched_> i want to copy something to it
[05:17] <coreymon77> cer0s
[05:17] <Torched_> i don't have that right
[05:17] <ceros> yeah
[05:17] <Dr_willis> Torched_,  you do realize that NTFS is a READONLY thin gunder linux eh?
[05:17] <ceros> sudo adept_updater
[05:17] <Torched_> no
[05:17] <coreymon77> cer0s
[05:17] <Torched_> why is that
[05:17] <Dr_willis> Torched_,  you do Now. :P
[05:17] <intelikey> oh i thought you asked about deleting
[05:17] <Dr_willis> Writing to ntfs is risky
[05:17] <Torched_> why
[05:18] <Dr_willis> Torched_,  go ask MS to release the specs for NTFS>. and you will find out why
[05:18] <coreymon> oh damn
[05:18] <Torched_> oh ok
[05:18] <linuxbomb> Dr_willis: can't you write ntfs using fuse
[05:18] <Dr_willis> Theres ways TO write to ntfs.. but they are considerd risky
[05:19] <Dr_willis> so the bottom line is - how much do you want to gamble.
[05:19] <Torched_> it's ok, i'll use a cd
[05:19] <intelikey> yes linuxbomb    and you can without it  but you can also end up with a hosed ntfs
[05:19] <ceros> you still there coreymon?
[05:19] <Dr_willis> I just set up XP to read/write my ext3 drives. :)
[05:19] <morghanphoenix> how do I delete /home/user/.local/share/trash files? It's wasting 15gb of space on my hard drive
[05:19] <Torched_> what about fat32?
[05:19] <Torched_> can it do that?
[05:19] <morghanphoenix> sorry
[05:19] <Dr_willis> fat32 is very well supported
[05:19] <linuxbomb> xp is already hosed
[05:20] <morghanphoenix> wrong channel
[05:20] <intelikey> or so i hear.    i'm not totally convinced that it's not M$ hosing it and linux getting the blame....
[05:20] <morghanphoenix> allready asked here
[05:20] <coreymon77> ceros
[05:20] <ceros> yeah
[05:20] <ceros> did you do sudo adept_updater
[05:21] <intelikey> "your linux crap ruined my beautiful wonderful perfect Micro-Soft Windows partition."
[05:21] <intelikey> "and i just got it back out of the shop too."
[05:21] <intelikey> :)
[05:22] <ceros> coreymon77, when you use adept_updater, tell me if it say "hold" anywhere
[05:22] <coreymon77> i dont use adept
[05:22] <coreymon77> i use apt-get
 "your linux crap ruined my beautiful wonderful perfect Micro-Soft Windows partition." <--no such thing
[05:23] <ceros> ok
[05:23] <ceros> when you use apt-get
[05:23] <ceros> at the beginning, does it keep telling you that there are holds
[05:23] <intelikey> alienjeff don't quote my quote.  that's my quote of the day.... :)
[05:23] <alienjeff> heh
[05:23] <alienjeff> understood
[05:24] <intelikey> but yeah i totally agree.
[05:24] <Momal> kopete crashes as soon as It loads my contact list on this 1 msn account: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/202037 | console and backtrace output from the crash... Happens no matter which version i choose. #kopete doesn't believe its kopete related but something in kubuntu. HELP :)
[05:24] <alienjeff> intelikey: ...I noted the <facetous> tags
[05:24] <intelikey> :)
[05:25] <Lam_> does anyone use konquerer as their default browser?
[05:25] <Lam_> and why?
[05:25] <ceros> coreymon77, did you add in the keys
[05:25] <alienjeff> Lam_: Speed?
[05:25] <coreymon77> yup
[05:25] <coreymon77> two secs
[05:25] <coreymon77> ill brb
[05:25] <intelikey> Lam_ when i had kde installed i did.  cause it worked well for all i wanted...
[05:26] <alienjeff> intelikey: Ever use dillo or hv3?
[05:26] <linuxbomb> I like the idea of konquerer but it makes me feal funny using it
[05:26] <intelikey> alienjeff yes but dillo has no js support.  not that i like java but my web mail needs js
[05:27] <alienjeff> Gotta love the speed of dillo and hv3 for mainly text based browsing.
[05:27] <intelikey> hv3   mmmm no.  m3b yes  lynx links links2 and elinks
[05:27] <alienjeff> hv3 is alpha, but very slick.
[05:28] <intelikey> k i'll have to give it a look see
 I like the idea of konquerer but it makes me feal funny using it <-- define "feel funny"
[05:28] <intelikey> or maybe not....
[05:28] <intelikey> linuxbomb we might not want to know.
[05:28] <alienjeff> lmao
[05:29] <linuxbomb> its kinda like how in windows you could use explorer as internet explorer and how ie has security holes, but i'm sure konquerer is better
[05:29] <alienjeff> ah....that's a relief.
[05:29] <intelikey> there you go reading on the lines again.   i though i tought you to always read between them....
[05:30] <alienjeff> Konquerer is nice. It's just all the other KDE bloat that I don't care for.
[05:31] <intelikey> so use kde-core + konqueror   and don't install the bloat
[05:31] <mabreaux> !buglist
[05:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about buglist - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:31] <linuxbomb> I like kde bloat
[05:32] <mabreaux> !bug
[05:32] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/
[05:32] <alienjeff> linuxbomb: If you like KDE bloat, double your pleasure and install kubuntu! Oh wait. That's right. I'm in #kubuntu, aren't I?
[05:32] <alienjeff> nvm
[05:32] <linuxbomb> thats why i got rid of suse
[05:33] <intelikey> yes sudo apt-get install *buntu-desktop
[05:33] <ceros> you still there coreymon77
[05:33] <coreymon77> yup
[05:33] <coreymon77> but brb
[05:33] <intelikey> that should bloat the thing pretty good
[05:33] <Lam_> is there a Qt based Xchat?
[05:33] <Lam_> or an equivalent
[05:34] <intelikey> konversation  ?
[05:34] <Dr_willis> There are several kde irc clients
[05:34] <Dr_willis> I perfer xchat :)
[05:34] <coreymon77> okay
[05:34] <coreymon77> im back for a sec
[05:34] <ceros> alright
[05:35] <ceros> do you see a message asking to accept a file i'm sending to you?
[05:35] <Dr_willis> hmmm
[05:35] <Lam_> its nice talking in here
[05:35] <Lam_> a lot less hectic than #ubuntu
[05:35] <intelikey> if it aint broke don't replace it.   if it is broke, bx about it.
[05:36] <Dr_willis> !info sirc
[05:36] <ubotu> sirc: The full-featured Perl IRC client. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.211-9 (dapper), package size 104 kB, installed size 396 kB
[05:36] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:36] <intelikey> !kirc
[05:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kirc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:36] <coreymon77> brb again
[05:36] <Dr_willis> !info ksirc
[05:36] <ubotu> ksirc: IRC client for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu6.2 (dapper), package size 696 kB, installed size 2384 kB
[05:37] <intelikey> ah yea ksirc it is
[05:37] <Lam_> neat. i'll look that up. thanks
[05:37] <Dr_willis> Judge declines to restrict sale of Bully... :)
[05:37] <Dr_willis> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061013-7985.html
[05:37] <Dr_willis> Heh heh -- 'computer games make kids violent!"
[05:37] <Lam_> ha yeah i read about that
[05:37] <Lam_> he said he wouldn't let his kids play it, but that's no reason to not let it sell
[05:38] <ceros> coreymon77, http://pastebin.ca/202085
[05:39] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:39] <Dr_willis> Gamers get political action group http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061012-7975.html
[05:39] <Dr_willis> Woo Hoo.. a PAC!
[05:39] <Dr_willis> we need a Linux/GPL/OpenSource Pac!
[05:39] <intelikey> coreymon77 just a thought, but if you are going to continue to use the ctrl+alt+bs   you might find it to your advantage to exit the irc client first, so you don't have to recover your nick on each subsecquent session.
[05:40] <intelikey> quit       then kill x   ?
[05:41] <intelikey> /quit       then kill x   ?
[05:41] <intelikey> //\/\\/\\\/?
[05:42] <Search4Lancer> anyone here try upgrading to Firefox 2 yet?
[05:42] <zer0hour> nope
[05:42] <zer0hour> is it up?
[05:42] <rocabaar> hola todos, me gustaria saber como utilizo los themes de kde en mi kubuntu.  he intentado varias cosas pero las bajo de www.kde-look.org pero no se pueden instalar
[05:43] <Lam_> !es
[05:43] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[05:43] <Lam_> :)
[05:43] <intelikey> i wasn't sure that was  es
[05:43] <Lam_> no i'm pretty sure it was
[05:44] <Lam_> i understood everything he said lol
[05:44] <Lam_> i just don't know how to answer him
[05:44] <m4jqp> how do i stop X ? i want to run xorg -configure
[05:45] <intelikey> m4jqp sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop     but use  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   to reconfigure X
[05:45] <Lam_> doesn't that only stop kdm and not X?
[05:45] <Dr_willis> if kdm dies.. it kills off X
[05:45] <intelikey> Lam_ try it and see
[05:45] <Dr_willis> try it and see. :)
[05:45] <Dr_willis> famous last words!
[05:45] <Lam_> i'll take your word on it
[05:45] <Dr_willis> "hay watch this!"
[05:45] <Lam_> ctrl+alt+backspace for hacks!
[05:45] <m4jqp> intelikey, does Xorg -config not work ?
[05:46] <m4jqp> im sort of an ubuntu noob
[05:46] <intelikey> Lam_ that doesn't stop X
[05:46] <Lam_> of course not, but it's still fun :)
[05:46] <intelikey> m4jqp it's depreciated in *buntu
[05:46] <lainproliant> hello :)
[05:46] <lainproliant> how are you all today?
[05:46] <zer0hour> ANGRY!
[05:46] <m4jqp> intelikey, why's that? it doesn't set up an xorg.conf.new ?
[05:47] <lainproliant> i am sorrie to hear that you are angry zer0hour
[05:47] <intelikey> m4jqp use it if you want.....   but i gave you the info that i have.
[05:47] <m4jqp> intelikey, k k thanks
[05:47] <lainproliant> A few weeks ago, i installed Kubuntu on my desktop system and it works flawlessly and i love it ^_^
[05:47] <Lam_> i would run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, or if you know what you're doing, just edit the xorg.conf
[05:47] <intelikey> lainproliant but noe ?
[05:47] <lainproliant> I decided to put it on my laptop, i used GNOME Partition Manager to resize my NTFS, and i installed Kubuntu
[05:47] <intelikey> now
[05:48] <lainproliant> i have  having a really wierd problem
[05:48] <lainproliant> i had to start the installer with a special VGA setting
[05:48] <lainproliant> it boots into X (KDE) perfectly fine, but text mode won't work
[05:48] <lainproliant> if i type CTRL+ALT+F1, the screen fades to white
[05:48] <lainproliant> i think that this is because of a console mode incompatability
[05:48] <alienjeff> lainproliant: let me guess...neomagic video system?
[05:49] <lainproliant> nope
[05:49] <lainproliant> ATI Rage Pro on a Compaq Armada M300
[05:49] <intelikey> lainproliant try adding  vga=0x0f05  in your boot command   /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:49] <lainproliant> ah cool ^_^
[05:49] <intelikey> i make no promices
[05:49] <lainproliant> and that will change how the console is setup through the life of the linux session?
[05:50] <lainproliant> its worth a try :)
[05:50] <intelikey> it's worth a try yes
[05:50] <lainproliant> hey intelikey?
[05:50] <lainproliant> is there a place where i can get a list of possible VGA values so i can try lots of them out?
[05:50] <alienjeff> Farking NeoMagic.
[05:50] <lainproliant> if necessary
[05:50] <lainproliant> let me try and search for the file on google
[05:51] <lainproliant> that might return some results lol
[05:51] <Lam_> !sudoku
[05:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sudoku - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:51] <Lam_> bah
[05:52] <intelikey> lainproliant yes.   i have seen one.... but don't ask me where.  some place on the installed system....   a grep -Rie'vga=' / | less  might find it for you....  heheh
[05:52] <ceros> gtg coreymon77
[05:52] <lainproliant> okies
[05:52] <coreymon77> shoot
[05:52] <coreymon77> alright then
[05:52] <lainproliant> i have one more question before i go?
[05:52] <ceros> maybe tomorrow
[05:52] <ceros> see ya
[05:53] <alienjeff> Nite, folks.
[05:53] <Dr_willis> hmm
[05:53] <lainproliant> is there any way that i can implement a click lock system?
[05:53] <Dr_willis> define 'click lock'
[05:53] <lainproliant> hehe ^_^
[05:53] <lainproliant> okies
[05:53] <lainproliant> well, a mouse panel, if you click and drag and let go, and then drag again, it remembers that you are dragging a window or object or else
[05:54] <intelikey> the left alt key
[05:55] <lainproliant> hmm
[05:55] <lainproliant> not working ^_^ its okay though
[05:55] <lainproliant> i will figure it out eventually lol
[05:55] <lainproliant> thank you for your help intelikey ^_^
[05:55] <lainproliant> byebye for now
[05:55] <intelikey> welcome
[05:57] <intelikey> i think left alt drag only works on window drags...
[05:58] <Dr_willis> i though alt-mouse click - grabbed a window from anywhere.
[06:01] <Momal> kopete crashes as soon as It loads my contact list: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/202037 | console and backtrace output from the crash... Happens no matter which version i choose. #kopete doesn't believe its kopete related but something in kubuntu. HELP :)
[06:01] <osiris> what is the = to alsaconfig in kubuntu ?
[06:01] <intelikey> Dr_willis it does.
[06:01] <Dr_willis> the = ?
[06:02] <intelikey> osiris alsaconfig ?
[06:03] <osiris> cant find it
[06:03] <intelikey> alsa is basic  not gui property.  so  *buntu is all the same there
[06:03] <osiris> does it go by a different package name
[06:03] <Dr_willis> I tend to install the different alsa mixers
[06:03] <Dr_willis> alsactl       alsamixer     alsamixergui
[06:04] <intelikey> apt-cache search alsa
[06:04] <osiris> i have alsamixer and alsactl
[06:04] <osiris> i need to reasign audio devices basicly
[06:04] <intelikey> alsaplayer is ok
[06:05] <osiris> if i boot with my usb headset in, it takes over alsa, andi  rather have my main sound come out through my soundblaster
[06:05] <Dr_willis> hmm not tried a usb headset yet.
[06:05] <intelikey> alsa-tools - Console based ALSA utilities for specific hardware
[06:05] <intelikey> alsa-tools-gui - GUI based ALSA utilities for specific hardware
[06:05] <intelikey> alsamixergui - graphical soundcard mixer for ALSA soundcard driver
[06:05] <intelikey> alsaplayer-alsa - PCM player designed for ALSA (ALSA output module)
[06:06] <intelikey> i know.  don't flood.
[06:09] <Linux_Galore> Ive tried a usb headset, they work just you have to reboot to get HAL to use them
[06:10] <Linux_Galore> its the only issue I still have with Linux these days, Linux doesnt switch between sound devices on the fly very well
[06:10] <Linux_Galore> although apparently there is a fix in the wings for this issue
[06:11] <Momal> kopete crashes as soon as It loads my contact list: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/202037 | console and backtrace output from the crash... Happens no matter which version i choose. #kopete doesn't believe its kopete related but something in kubuntu. HELP :)
[06:11] <intelikey> have to reboot ???   that doesn't even sound *nix'ish
[06:11] <Dr_willis> You dont want to know the fighting ive done with windows and usb-sound devices. :P
[06:12] <Momal> linux_galore: guess what kopete now crashes everywhere on this acccount >_< no matter what login >_<
[06:12] <Dr_willis> Most likely - you could unplug the device and restart that hal service
[06:12] <Linux_Galore> Momal: I noticed when I installed kubuntu allot of things that I would have thought would be installed were not
[06:13] <Linux_Galore> Momal: so I manually went through the kde stuff in adept and installed all the bits and pieces
[06:13] <Hawkwind> Momal: Have you tried completely removing ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete and then trying to run kopete ?
[06:13] <Momal> Linux_Galore: what typa pieces?? :S
[06:13] <Momal> yup many times
[06:13] <Linux_Galore> Momal: Ive done it for both of my machines and I dont seem to have issues when I do updates like everyone else
[06:14] <Momal> If i clear all the config for it Ican run kopete login to msn and it works fine... when i goto login to my main msn account i use it crashes kopete
[06:14] <Momal> crashes just after the contact list loads
[06:14] <Linux_Galore> Momal: have you looked on the kopete home page to see if there is anything
[06:14] <Linux_Galore> Momal: might be a bug
[06:15] <Linux_Galore> Momal: or ask in the kopete room
[06:15] <Linux_Galore> channel*
[06:15] <Momal> hasn't been anything that Ican see.. tried older versions as well thats what #kopete suggested and cna't seem to get any of it to work
[06:16] <Linux_Galore> Momal: go into adept and search under kde and check to see that all the base 3.5.5 stuff is installed
[06:16] <Momal> http://kopete.kde.org doesn't even say that 0.12.3 has been released >_<
[06:16] <Hawkwind> Momal: Because it hasn't
[06:16] <Hawkwind> Momal: You running Edgy or Dapper ?
[06:17] <Momal> what about package just called kde?
[06:17] <Momal> dapper
[06:17] <Linux_Galore> Momal: kde and check the version
[06:17] <Hawkwind> Momal: Where did you install 0.12.3 from ?
[06:17] <Momal> just updated kde to 3.5.5 via adept
[06:17] <Hawkwind> Ahhh, 3.5.5, that's why
[06:18] <Blacken> How *is* 3.5.5, anyway? I've heard some people say it's pretty good, but others have said it's painful.
[06:18] <Hawkwind> Momal: dpkg -l kopete
[06:18] <Hawkwind> Blacken: It's got lots of issues in Dapper
[06:18] <Linux_Galore> I swapped to 3.5.5 with zero issues on both my machines
[06:18] <RobNyc_> how can i boot kubuntu edgy in console mode only ?
[06:18] <Hawkwind> Blacken: Though it works quite well in Edgy
[06:18] <Hawkwind> RobNyc_: Might try #Ubuntu+1 as that is the Edgy channel
[06:18] <RobNyc_> ty
[06:18] <RobNyc_> Hawkwind, i thought the linux commands works everywhere
[06:19] <Linux_Galore> RobNyc_: in the login window you can swap to term login
[06:19] <intelikey> RobNyc_ add  1   to the boot line in grub
[06:19] <Dr_willis> I got 3.5.5 working.. but really aint seen much of a diff between it and the earlier.
[06:19] <RobNyc_> thanks intelikey and Linux_Galore
[06:19] <Hawkwind> RobNyc_: They probably do, but best to talk to the channel that is for Edgy
[06:19] <RobNyc_> tru ty
[06:19] <RobNyc_> Hawkwind, :)
[06:20] <Linux_Galore> RobNyc_: in one of the drop downs in the login it allows you to swap to a terminal login so you can install nvidia etc
[06:20] <RobNyc_> i dont see that
[06:21] <Hawkwind> RobNyc_: It's in the KDM GUI login screen
[06:21] <Linux_Galore> RobNyc_: hold on a sec
[06:21] <Momal> yea kde 3.5.5 is fine just when i went to latest kopete that messed up >_<
[06:21] <Momal> hawkwind: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/202133
[06:21] <Hawkwind> RobNyc_: Hit the button on the left
[06:21] <Lam_> does kubuntu have the gnome login screen?
[06:21] <Hawkwind> Lam_: No, it has the Kubuntu screen
[06:21] <Lam_> i wonder where i read that it said instead of kde's login, it had a gnome login
[06:21] <Lam_> thanks for the clarification
[06:22] <RobNyc_> when i get the boot screen press esc,, and now im in the boot screen.. i typed failsafe but that didnt do.. it said could not find kernel image lol
[06:22] <Linux_Galore> yeah in the Kubuntu login screen in the menu there is a option for "console login" select that
[06:22] <RobNyc_> sorry im gonna take it over to ubuntu+1 since its edgy so i wont bother anyone here
[06:22] <Momal> the package called "kde" under adept shouldi have that installed becuase when i select to install it there is abunch of stuff it wants to get
[06:22] <RobNyc_> thanks
[06:22] <Hawkwind> Momal: Try it and see
[06:23] <Linux_Galore> Momal: check the version it might be uninstalling 3.5.5 and swapping back
[06:23] <Lam_> what's kde's window manager?
[06:23] <Lam_> gnome has metacity
[06:23] <intelikey> Momal kde is a meta package the is designed to depend on ....
[06:23] <Linux_Galore> Lam_: kdm
[06:23] <Lam_> how integrated. thanks
[06:24] <Linux_Galore> sorry
[06:24] <Momal> doesn't give a version just has: candidate version: 5:45ubuntu1
[06:24] <intelikey> kde is prolly version 45  for dapper
[06:24] <KDEfanboy> no, the window manager is kwin. kdm is the display manager
[06:24] <Linux_Galore> Lam_: kwm sorry
[06:25] <Linux_Galore> Momal: when you select it you can see a more detailed view it should show you what its going to install
[06:25] <Lam_> ok thanks
[06:26] <Momal> linux_galore: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/202139 <,-- thats what it wants to do when i try to install it
[06:27] <Hawkwind> Momal: Looks like you didn't install much of 3.5.5 then.  I'd suggest you install that stuff.
[06:27] <Hawkwind> Momal: Are you sure you're using Dapper sources and not Edgy ?
[06:28] <Linux_Galore> Momal: so thats what "Preview Changes" shows
[06:29] <jontec> anyone have anything that I should know before I install the ruby and rails packages?
[06:29] <jontec> !ruby
[06:29] <ubotu> ruby: An interpreter of object-oriented scripting language Ruby. In component main, is optional. Version 1.8.2-1 (dapper), package size 18 kB, installed size 96 kB
[06:29] <Momal> yea... when i updated i just did the fetch updates then full upgrade and let it to the rest... | http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/202143 <-- my sources list|
[06:29] <jontec> !rails
[06:29] <ubotu> rails: MVC ruby based framework geared for web application development. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.2-1ubuntu0.1 (dapper), package size 1723 kB, installed size 12820 kB
[06:30] <Linux_Galore> Momal: dont install that its the old stuff
[06:30] <Momal> so i shoudl go ahead and let it install all the stuff ?
[06:30] <Momal> k
[06:30] <Linux_Galore> no I have the same on my machine and its not marked as installed and when i look at the package details its comes from the old kde repo
[06:31] <Linux_Galore> Momal: you can see in details were the packages are coming from
[06:32] <goofy> anyone know a good guide to install xlg ang compiz
[06:33] <Momal> use beryl
[06:33] <Momal> if you have nvidia card: http://forum.beryl-project.org/topic-5063-howto-xgl-beryl-kubuntu-dapper-with-nvidia
[06:33] <Linux_Galore> Momal: it should show  4:3.5.5  in the version
[06:33] <goofy> thanks
[06:33] <wizard> intelikey: i still wanna fix dapper if i can i just don't know how.
[06:33] <Momal> if ati there should be a howto in the same forum
[06:33] <Linux_Galore> Momal: if its new
[06:34] <Momal> Linux_Galore: arr ok... hmm now what to do to try and fix kopete :(
[06:37] <aosinski> hey all. has anyone tried the photoshop cs2 under wine trick?
[06:39] <Linux_Galore> Momal: just go through them all and check for 3.5.5
[06:40] <Linux_Galore> Momal: I suspect it missed something
[06:40] <unix_infidel> aosinski: PS7 runs flawlessly in cxoffice and wine respectively.
[06:40] <Linux_Galore> or there is a dep change were a lib is now in another package but was never updated
[06:40] <Momal> though all the kde related stuff ?
[06:40] <Linux_Galore> yes
[06:40] <unix_infidel> CS and CS2, respectively, have not been so fortunate.
[06:40] <aosinski> there have been reports circulating of CS successfully running under wine
[06:40] <ccherrett> I don't have a /etc/firefox/firefoxrc to add the aoss to make flash play sound. Can I just create the file?
[06:41] <Dr_willis> yes
[06:41] <unix_infidel> aosinski: right, what did i say exactly?
[06:41] <Hobbsee> Momal: is this for dapper?
[06:41] <Linux_Galore> someone posted on dig a howto on running photoshop under wine for ubuntu
[06:41] <unix_infidel> i said pc7 works flawlessly, and CS and Cs2 havent been so fortunatey, as they do not run as "flawlessly"
[06:41] <Momal> in the candidate version it should have 3.5.5 in there?
[06:41] <Linux_Galore> just a few days ago
[06:41] <Momal> hobbsee: yes
[06:42] <Hobbsee> Momal: and you're missing kopete?
[06:42] <unix_infidel> CS and CS2 require multiple reg hacks in wine and must be run as a win2k
[06:42] <Hobbsee> STRIKE!
[06:42] <Hobbsee> Momal: my fault.
[06:42] <aosinski> i know that.
[06:42] <aosinski> but i was wondering if anyone was able to test it out and see how functional it is.
[06:43] <Linux_Galore> Hobbsee: no he has kopete but it crashes but I have the same version as he does and it works fine
[06:43] <Hobbsee> Linux_Galore: ahh.  but the lack of kopete for kde 3.5.5 is my fault though
[06:43] <Hobbsee> is there a good backtrace for it?
[06:44] <Momal> Hobbsee: kopete crashes as soon as It loads my contact list: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/202037 | console and backtrace output from the crash... Happens no matter which version i choose. #kopete doesn't believe its kopete related but something in kubuntu. HELP :)
[06:44] <unix_infidel> aosinski: #winehq would be a good place to ask.
[06:46] <Hobbsee> oh yay, those packages got done anyway :)
[06:46] <Momal> eh?
[06:46] <Hobbsee> the kopete 0.12.3 packages for kde 3.5.5
[06:47] <Momal> yea.. and what about them ?
[06:47] <Hobbsee> i didnt think they'd been made
[06:47] <Momal> oh
[06:48] <Hobbsee> Momal: what happens if you rm /home/sniperzero/.kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf?
[06:48] <Hobbsee> i wonder why it thinks it has 0 size...
[06:49] <Momal> konversaion jsut had an error instantly saying it can't open it
[06:49] <Momal> konversation*
[06:49] <Momal> want me to run kopete?
[06:49] <jontec> okay, I have a problem trying to install packages T_T this hasn't happened before. Are there any problems with the servers? I am using the ones without any prefixes (no us.*)
[06:49] <Hobbsee> yeah, try it
[06:50] <Hobbsee> jontec: want to pastebin the errors you get please?
, looked up the wine db but so far no recent comments on the actual usability.
[06:50] <Momal> all the console output and backtrace seem to be the same
[06:50] <unix_infidel> aosinski: like i said, i run native.  no need for wine unless its some productivity software like office 2003
[06:51] <Hobbsee> Momal: okay, i'd try closing konversation and kopete, and running rm -r .kde/share/apps/kabc
[06:51] <Hobbsee> and i'm not sure what happens if you remove the lock while it should be in action
[06:51] <Momal> k will kill konversation remove it and return
[06:51] <jontec> It's only the general Adept error.
[06:52] <Hobbsee> jontec: try with "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[06:52] <Hobbsee> jontec: and pastebin what that says
[06:52] <jontec> As in "there was a problem downloading the packages or it will break pacakges" something along those lines... I checked the details and didn't see any conflicts though...
[06:52] <Hobbsee> jontec: or hit show details, if it'll let you
[06:52] <jontec> k, one sec.
[06:53] <Hobbsee> it's probably trying to install an extra package or something, and adept is dying over it
[06:53] <Momal> kopete still crashses with same info
[06:54] <Manyfold> i have a with wine everytime i mount a cd and use it under wine i don't get it umounted again always get that device busy error
[06:55] <Momal> Hobbsee: any other ideas :S...
[06:55] <pacman> I've got a couple questions......
[06:55] <Momal> Linux_Galore: Ilooked though all the kde stuff and doesn't eem to be anything not installed that i think should be :S
[06:56] <Hobbsee> pacman: shoot
[06:56] <pacman> How can I set it up that when I right click on the top of the window, it automatically minimizes
[06:56] <jontec> I have results, I'm about to pastebin them...
[06:56] <Hobbsee> Momal: none, except for moving ~/.kde out of the way, restarting kde, and seeing if you can login to kopete iwthout a problem then.  if you can, it's a config problem somewhere
[06:57] <Momal> nope still crashes... tried that already and on another user login it crahses now as well
[06:57] <Hobbsee> pacman: i'd try right clicking on the top of the window, clicking advanced, special application settings or something, but i think you're after something else
[06:57] <Hobbsee> Momal: damn.
[06:57] <Hobbsee> Momal: got kopete-dbg installed?
[06:57] <jontec> Hobbsee: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26711/
[06:57] <goofy> if i were to type: sudo gedit     a text editor should open right?
[06:58] <pacman> hobbsee: yeah, I looked in there, but didn't see what I was after
[06:58] <Momal> kopete-dbg isn't in my list :S.. only have kopete, kopete-dev and kopete-meanwhile
[06:58] <goofy> sorry wrong windo
[06:58] <Hobbsee> Momal: sorry, kopete-dev
[06:59] <elknof1> hi everyboy...  how do i format a floppy disk??
[06:59] <Momal> Hobbsee: nope will install it now
[06:59] <elknof1> do i need to use qtparted?
[07:00] <Momal> Hobbsee: same errors still :S
[07:00] <Hobbsee> Momal: i was hoping it'd give you a better backtrace
[07:01] <T3hWiz0rd> !nvidia
[07:01] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:02] <Momal> Hobbsee: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/202177 <-- thats just from latest one maybe you can see something different in it :S
[07:05] <Momal> this sucks
[07:09] <Hawkwind> Momal: Famous saying out there....latest and greatest isn't always the best
[07:09] <Momal> can someone find me a deb of kopete 0.11.x ? it worked thats what i had before update
[07:09] <Hawkwind> Momal: Many hits on google for it
[07:10] <Momal> many hits that lead to nothing that helps me.. already looked on google for ages for one
[07:12] <Momal> how do i remove everything to do with kde? and then redownload/install it all ?
[07:12] <jontec> Hobbsee: no errors on apt-get when I use the .us for the repo mirrors that didn't work
[07:13] <Hobbsee> jontec: try what you just tried in adept?
[07:14] <wizard> ZOMG
[07:14] <wizard> i reformatted kubuntu and reinstalled the nvidia drivers and... behold the beaver! it works
[07:14] <jontec> hobbsee:I just tried installing the package that wouldn't install in adept and it is downloading the files fine.
[07:14] <Hobbsee> jontec: nice
[07:15] <wizard> Hobbsee: !!! my old friend
[07:15] <jontec> hobbsee: any reason why they both shouldn't work?
[07:15] <Hobbsee> hey wizard
[07:15] <wizard> Hobbsee: hey, you ever talk to kkathman anymore?
[07:16] <jontec> I wasn't using them at the same time, but yeah.
[07:18] <wizard> Hobbsee: im testing the waters of kubuntu again
[07:18] <Hobbsee> wizard: i havent in a while, no :(
[07:18] <Hobbsee> jontec: i'm keeping my mouth shut on that one :P
[07:19] <wizard> Hobbsee: hes around... can find him in #suse sometimes.
[07:19] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[07:19] <jontec> k
[07:22] <jontec> I have an awesome project ahead of me. I'm going to be working with ruby on rails.
[07:23] <jontec> I cannot wait.
[07:23] <jontec> lol.
[07:23] <Momal> garrr... there is no other damn kde package that can be installed that isn't just another program freeken hell >_<
[07:25] <jontec> momal: what else are packages for? O_o in other words, i don't know what you mean... lol.
[07:26] <charlie5> hi
[07:26] <charlie5> i can;t seem to get port forwarding working with ktorrent ... can anyone help ?
[07:26] <Momal> well basically kopete wont run because its been stupid and there aren't any other kde dependencies or libs or what ever to install that might make it run
[07:28] <jontec> install gaim
[07:28] <augie-> are there any other irc clients other than Konversation for kubuntu?
[07:28] <jontec> gaim
[07:28] <jontec> !gaim
[07:28] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[07:28] <augie-> i dont like kopete :|
[07:28] <augie-> i`ll try gaim
[07:29] <qor> PSI?
[07:29] <CVirus> !java
[07:29] <ubotu> To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[07:29] <qor> unless it's dead... haven't used it in a while
[07:29] <jontec> lol. hmm... now this is the part I am a little shaky on. I think adept will install the dependencies so that you can run it.
[07:29] <jontec> since gaim is gnome.
[07:30] <Momal> but i want kopete >_<
[07:31] <Momal> Idont' see how it can just not work :S
[07:31] <jontec> so the dependencies for kde aren't setup correctly?
[07:31] <jontec> like they aren't all there or what?
[07:31] <Momal> they are according to everything... kopete just crashes when it logs into one of my msn accounts
[07:32] <jontec> I'm just curious
[07:32] <Momal> i have a console output and backtrace if that is any use to you
[07:32] <Hammad> i need help with konqueror
[07:32] <jontec> nope.
[07:32] <jontec> coz I am a noob.
[07:32] <Hammad> Open konqueror and select the top most tab in the sidebar. Right click on it then Configure > New > Add Baghira Sidebar . A new tab appears on top of the sidebar, select it.
[07:32] <Hammad> in konqueror where the hell is the "top most tab in the sidebar"
[07:32] <Hammad> im confused as hell
[07:32] <Momal> someone want to tell me what to do to remove everything kde releated and reinstall?
[07:33] <Hammad> any one hlello?
[07:33] <jontec> um.,..
[07:33] <augie-> will kubuntu setup a dual boot automatically?
[07:33] <jontec> okay hammad...
[07:33] <Hammad> jontec - yes?
[07:33] <jontec> press f9
[07:33] <jontec> sorry for the delay
[07:33] <jontec> I think that is what you meant?
[07:33] <Hammad> in konqueror?
[07:34] <Hammad> f9?
[07:34] <jontec> yeah
[07:34] <jontec> yes
[07:34] <jontec> taht shows you the tabs on the side of the window
[07:34] <jontec> that*
[07:34] <Hammad> Open konqueror and select the top most tab in the sidebar. Right click on it then Configure > New > Add Baghira Sidebar . A new tab appears on top of the sidebar, select it.
[07:34] <Hammad> ugh right click and i shud get configure?
[07:35] <jontec> no, if it's not there try right-clicking and choosing add new
[07:35] <Hammad> hmm
[07:35] <Hammad> it doesnt say "add baghira sidebar"
[07:36] <Hammad> and im guessing this has somethin to do with a sidebar and not tab....
[07:36] <jontec> I'm sorry. I don't have any clue then.
[07:36] <jontec> well the side bar comes out from the tab.
[07:36] <jontec> like the amaroK one
[07:36] <Hammad> how do i access amarok
[07:37] <jontec> it's the top button on the sidebar
[07:37] <jontec> it's blue and has a wolf in the middle
[07:37] <jontec> but ouside of Konqueror.. it is...
[07:37] <jontec> KDE menu> Multimedia
[07:38] <Hammad> hmm
[07:38] <Hammad> do you get that im trying to add a baghira sidebar
[07:38] <Hammad> and i dont see option saying add baghira sidebar anywhere
[07:38] <Hammad> this is so frustrating hm
[07:38] <Hammad> i cant believe im stuck at this step
[07:39] <KDEfanboy> Hammad: is the sidebar open in Konqueror on the left side?
[07:39] <feet> hey. im trying to repair a botched grub setup. but it keeps complaining that it cant find the bios drive for /dev/evms/hdb ... what could be causing that?? thanks
[07:39] <Hammad> yes it is
[07:39] <Hammad> KDEfanboy - yup
[07:40] <Hammad> KDEfanboy - i see amarok n everything
[07:40] <KDEfanboy> Hammad: is the the top button with the wrench icon there?
[07:40] <Hammad> KDEfanboy - nope
[07:40] <Hammad> KDEfanboy - any clue how to get this button ur talkin about?
[07:41] <kenox> while booting video mode not supported comes
[07:41] <KDEfanboy> Hammad: right click any of those buttons
[07:41] <kenox> the message goes
[07:42] <kenox> and everything is fine
[07:42] <kenox> what is the problem
[07:42] <KDEfanboy> Hammad: then from the menu that pops up when you right click, go to "Configure Navigation Panel'
[07:43] <Hammad> KDEfanboy - yup okay i got it there ... k i guess im in the right spot now... just i cant see Baghira sidebar in my options when i go add new
[07:43] <KDEfanboy> Hammad: if you just installed it, you need to restart Konqueror first
[07:46] <jontec> adios you guys.
[07:54] <CVirus> Hammad: an Egyptian you are ?
[08:00] <Crissi> hello
[08:00] <Crissi> i just installed dapper and additional kde 3.5.5
[08:01] <Crissi> if i put a usb stick on my laptop i got the popup but nothing happens (it should open a konqueror)
[08:01] <Crissi> whats missing/wrong?
[08:01] <Hawkwind> Known issue
[08:02] <Hawkwind> Everyone on the ML's have been talking it about it for a couple of days
[08:03] <Crissi> Hawkwind: how to fix?
[08:03] <Hawkwind> There isn't one according to everyone on the mailing lists
[08:03] <Hawkwind> It's a known issue
[08:03] <Crissi> i still know it .
[08:04] <Crissi> but i want to know how fix
[08:04] <Hawkwind> There isn't one, hence it is a known issue currently
[08:04] <Crissi> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[08:04] <Crissi> this is bad
[08:04] <luca_> hi everyone
[08:05] <Hawkwind> Mount it manually from a terminal, not very hard to do
[08:05] <Crissi> debian packages work fine... whats different from debian packages
[08:05] <Crissi> if i had know that before i dont had installed dapper
[08:05] <luca_> does anyone know how to fix the not-unicode character problem with knonversation and kopete?
[08:05] <luca_> what's the problem Crissi?
[08:06] <Crissi> luca_: kde media mount doesnt work
[08:06] <Crissi> on 3.5.5
[08:06] <Hawkwind> luca_: Automount doesn't work in KDE 3.5.5, it's a known issue without a fix at the moment
[08:07] <luca_> what does this imply? I work fine with usb pens and cds...
[08:08] <Crissi> i find out some...
[08:08] <Hawkwind> luca_: In KDE 3.5.5 on Dapper ?
[08:08] <Crissi> pmount manually from ternimal works as user
[08:08] <luca_> Ubuntu 6.06
[08:08] <luca_> kde
[08:09] <luca_> is dapper 6.10?
[08:09] <Crissi> http://paste.debian.net/14852
[08:09] <Hawkwind> luca_: No, 6.10 is Edgy, still beta, not final
[08:09] <luca_> uhm if kubuntu 6.10 has such a big issue...why should I ever install it? o_O
[08:10] <luca_> ah ok
[08:10] <Hawkwind> luca_: He's having issues with KDE 3.5.5 on 6.06, Dapper
[08:10] <Crissi> i use dapper -> stable
[08:10] <luca_> uhm nothing I had heard of sorry...
[08:10] <Crissi> pmount is called from kde i guesss... pmount works
[08:11] <Crissi> now we have to find the reason whats missing on kde
[08:11] <luca_> does anyone know how to solve the unicode problem with kopete and konversation by the way?
[08:11] <Crissi> interesting... after mount with pmount the desktop icon came
[08:12] <luca_> I am italian, and every time i try to use a character with an accent...well, e.g., e' = 
[08:16] <Momal> hawkwind: how can I go about removing kde... and everything to do with kde then reinstall(download) it again
[08:17] <|GaiJin|> anyone mind helping me with nvidia and twinview??
[08:17] <luca_> there was a page somewhere, linked to from the forums...
[08:17] <luca_> noone knows for kopete?
[08:17] <Momal> your lucky kopete even works for you >_<
[08:19] <|GaiJin|> hmmm... my special chars are working in kopete..... 
[08:20] <Crissi> luca_: i use sim :)
[08:22] <|lostbyte|> Momal, sudo apt-get remove --purge kubuntu-desktop;sudo apt-get clean;sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:23] <Momal> will that remove all the configs as well? I want to make sure no trace of kde was there so its pretty much impossible for it to screw up again
[08:23] <|lostbyte|> Momal, Yes, the config
[08:24] <|lostbyte|> s as well. make sure you have no ~/.kde/ after the first command. If so Rename it or remove it.
[08:26] <arukuro> is there anyone here i just got linex and im trying to learn a bit
[08:26] <|lostbyte|> Momal, By the way, the above is to get a KDE updates, but you could always do. sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop. If you want no updates. :)
[08:27] <|lostbyte|> arukuro, We all are..
[08:27] <arukuro> its nice to know im not alone
[08:27] <Momal> arr yea i want it to remove it all then to get all the latest
[08:28] <|lostbyte|> :)
[08:28] <arukuro> :)
[08:29] <arukuro> i actually was wondering about games i downloaded wine and I got a game on the way do most games work
[08:30] <|lostbyte|> !wine
[08:30] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[08:30] <|lostbyte|> huh, Go to their official website, They have an open db of what apps/games work. Check it out.
[08:31] <arukuro> thanks very much
[08:31] <|lostbyte|> np ;)
[08:32] <arukuro> ill try not to ask to many perverbial stupid question but since i just got this today there may be more to come but so far im glad i got this instead of windows
[08:33] <mikael_> lu :)
[08:33] <|lostbyte|> arukuro, it would be better asking wine questions at #winehq
[08:35] <arukuro> ok thx
[08:36] <arukuro> does anyone know if wine will work with americas army
[08:36] <Momal> apt-get remove --purge kubuntu-desktop | that just removed one package :S not all of kde
[08:37] <|lostbyte|> Momal, thats what you call a meta package.
[08:38] <|lostbyte|> Momal, TO see what all it installs, which is alot. do...
[08:38] <|lostbyte|> apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop
[08:39] <pculler> Hello all I just installed kde 3.5.5 and hard disks desktop icons seems not to have connection with hal at all
[08:39] <pculler> anyone is experiencing the same?
[08:39] <Momal> then how I make it remove all of kde?
[08:40] <|lostbyte|> Momal, the command you just asked about, that will remove.
[08:40] <Momal> Reading package lists... Done
[08:40] <Momal> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:40] <Momal> Package kubuntu-desktop is not installed, so not removed
[08:40] <Momal> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:43] <|GaiJin|> what does the option "screen 0" in device section in X do??
[08:45] <pculler> Afaik it takes the default screen available
[08:49] <rredd4> how can i check the integrity of kubuntu desktop cd without installing kubuntu.  I am installing it in a friends computer and i want to check before i go to there house.
[08:49] <rredd4> i md5 the d/l, it was ok
[08:50] <|lostbyte|> rredd4, That should do it.
[08:50] <T3hWiz0rd> is there a command in console to say what name of the distrobution you're on is?
[08:51] <rredd4> lostbyte  i have done this before, and the cd failed on me... i guess the cd burn was bad..
[08:51] <rredd4> and md5 was good
[08:51] <rredd4> thats why i want to check the cd after its burned
[08:52] <|lostbyte|> do the md5sum on the device directly, should get you the same hash too.
[08:52] <rredd4> ok
[08:52] <rredd4> ty
[09:01] <Momal> How can i remove everything related to kde ??? removing kubuntu-desktop doesn't remove anything but just kubuntu-desktop package even with the --purge command
[09:12] <Linux_Galore> Momal: removing kde-base should remove everything
[09:13] <Momal> its not :S
[09:13] <Linux_Galore> well without kde base nothing works really
[09:14] <Momal> cant' even find kde-base but kdebase wants to just remove:  kde-core kde-devel kdebase | whats it mean if it shows kde-core* kde-devel* kdebase*
[09:14] <Linux_Galore> Momal: thats basically all of kde
[09:15] <Momal> so that will remove everything ?... then just apt-get install kdebase for it to all come back ?
[09:15] <Linux_Galore> Momal: no just  install kubuntu-desktop  the rest will install
[09:16] <Momal> k will try that
[09:16] <Momal> if it doesn't work i'll be back signing in from crappy mirc >_<
[09:19] <Momal> I removed that stuff and kde is still running :S
[09:19] <zarrelli> hi
[09:23] <hyper> good morning every1
[09:23] <nyb> Hej
[09:24] <nyb> Jag har problem med att styla kde, hur kan man gra fr att f det snyggt mm.?
[09:24] <hyper> allanick: what language is that?
[09:24] <hyper> allanick: swedish?
[09:25] <allanick> ja
[09:25] <hyper> !swe
[09:25] <hyper> !sw
[09:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about swe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sw - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:25] <allanick> alla nick var upptagna, s jag bara tog ngot na,mn
[09:25] <allanick> sorry, i thougt it was ubuntu-se
[09:25] <hyper> it's ok :)
[09:25] <allanick> how to style kde?
[09:25] <hyper> you have problems adding a new style to KDE?
[09:26] <allanick> for example ;) i am newbie, i dont know how to get it cool ;)
[09:26] <hyper> allanick: same here... at least considering using on guis :) I also need a small adviceon kde :)
[09:27] <allanick> i join a swedish channel  ;)
[09:27] <chimaera> good morning. i'm installing 6.10 atm. since when can't i install /boot on a XFS partition? isn't kubuntu using GRUB anymore?
[09:30] <hyper> chimaera: kubuntu is still using GRUB
[09:32] <livingdaylight> Good Morning Vietnam
[09:37] <chimaera_> sry, got DC. has there been an answer to my question?
[09:39] <hyper> chimaera_: Kubuntu still uses GRUB
[09:40] <hyper> but I have some GUI question: You can between KMenu und the programs that run on this dekstop create shortcuts for other programs. How can I make the icons smaller and appear on two lines, so that I can add more icons without using more horizontal space?
[09:40] <chimaera_> mhhhh. strange world. now kubuntu bosses me around. neat
[09:41] <hyper> chimaera_: I use Edgy and it runs fine for me...
[09:41] <hyper> but then I don't know what XFS is :)
[09:42] <orient2000> I erased 2 files. Is it pissiblbe to get them back?
[09:43] <DemonThing> not easily
[09:43] <DemonThing> if it's possible at all
[09:43] <hyper> orient: if you have backupped them its easy
[09:43] <DemonThing> true
[09:43] <chimaera_> hyper: it'S a file-system i've been using for years. edgy won't let me install /boot on such a filesystem.
[09:43] <hyper> chimaera_: And what makes it different from ext3?
[09:44] <DemonThing> it's fancier I suppose
[09:45] <DemonThing> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS
[09:45] <abattoir> chimaera_: xfs and grub don't behave well together
[09:45] <orient2000> if it's not easy I will not bothrer. thks. how is new kda33.5.55?
[09:45] <hyper> chimaera_: is there a howto on ubuntuforums.org ? that says it makes the system quite a bit faster?
[09:45] <abattoir> chimaera_: this has apparently been fixed, but ubuntu still doesn't allow them to reside together
[09:45] <abattoir> chimaera_: so you'd need a separate non-XFS /boot partition if you need XFS
[09:45] <hyper> orient2000: well, I don't see any difference but then I'm a noob and I don't use any eye candys and stuff...
[09:45] <abattoir> hi hyper :)
[09:45] <hyper> hello abattoir :)
[09:46] <hyper> abattoir: I have a KDE question: You can between KMenu und the programs that run on this dekstop create shortcuts for other programs. How can I make the icons smaller and appear on two lines, so that I can add more icons without using more horizontal space?
[09:46] <orient2000> I SEE diference when I log in don't you?
[09:46] <chimaera> abattoir: this was never required until now. this is what i'm wondering about..
[09:47] <DemonThing> grub >=0.91 supports XFS
[09:47] <abattoir> hyper: from what i remember, the size of those icons are determined by the size of your kicker, i've never used them, so am not sure
[09:47] <abattoir> chimaera: afaik, its always been that way, maybe you installed lilo on the xfs partition instead of grub
[09:47] <chimaera> my prob is not grub not supporting XFS but edgy not allowing be to istall on it. actually it's not that big of a prob, but i don't see the point.
[09:48] <hyper> abattoir: hmmm, well I'd just liked to have them in two lines (and hence smaller icons) so that I can add more programs there :)
[09:48] <chimaera> abattoir: nope. using grub & XFS for years now
[09:48] <hyper> chimaera: can't you install edgy now and then afterwards chaning /boot to xfs?
[09:49] <chimaera> for starters, i dont went a separate /boot partition, i like it to be on /. and changing this would be a pain in the arse. anyhow. i can simply use ext3, i was just wondering.
[09:49] <abattoir> chimaera: as i said, afaik, having grub on an XFS /boot always creates problems(till it was fixed recently), maybe you were lucky ;)
[09:49] <hyper> abattoir: I wrote a small backup script ( http://www.phpfi.com/163499 ) but I wonder if I should add the u/mounting of the backup partition in the script also and not have it mounted by default?
[09:50] <chimaera> abattoir: maybe.
[09:51] <abattoir> hyper: well, depends on your needs i guess :P
[09:51] <abattoir> hyper: if you use that partition only for backup, then makes sense adding it into the script
[09:51] <abattoir> hyper: else, if you use that partition for other stuff as well, then you might want it to auto mount at boot
[09:52] <hyper> abattoir: well, currently I have auto mount it at boot but it's only for backup...
[09:54] <hyper> abattoir: well, then I will mount it for the script only :) thx
[09:54] <abattoir> :)
[09:56] <hyper> abattoir: any suggestions for the script are welcomed ;)
[09:58] <orient2000> W: GPG error: http://packages.freecontrib.org dapper Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F120156012B83718
[09:59] <orient2000> how can I fix it?
[10:03] <Xzanron> Hi.. i'm trying to install kubuntu. I've managed to get into the live CD ok.. but there are a couple of problems.
[10:03] <student> what problem?
[10:03] <Xzanron> My screen resolution is wrong, and it won't let me change it.
[10:04] <Xzanron> and 2.. it doesn't detect my hard drive properly.. so i can't install
[10:04] <student> is your HD SATA?
[10:04] <Xzanron> yes and raided
[10:05] <student> oh, i see. you've changed your bios setting. make it compatible mode, (PATA + SATA)
[10:06] <student> i have an experienced like that before
[10:06] <Xzanron> ok.. i'll be back in a bit.. if i can figure out how to change that
[10:07] <student> ok.
[10:11] <Xzanron> hmm.. can't find a setting for that
[10:14] <orient2000> what shout I use to open .gz?
[10:23] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey everyone
[10:23] <MilhousePunkRock> I upgraded to Edgy lately, was ok so far...
[10:24] <MilhousePunkRock> Now after yesterday's upgrades, my wireless card is not working anymore...
[10:24] <|GaiJin|> anyone knowof a good working guide for twinview or anything like that....
[10:24] <|GaiJin|> MilhousePunkRock: your using EDGY.... it suppose to fuck up your system....
[10:24] <crazy_penguin> Good morning to all!
[10:25] <MilhousePunkRock> Well. I knew about the risk, but it worked fine for like 2 weeks.
[10:25] <hyper> |GaiJin|: Edgy works fine on my comp
[10:25] <MilhousePunkRock> Besides that. |GaiJin|, watch the language
[10:26] <crazy_penguin> Is kde 3.5.5 working properly? It's safe to upgrade?
[10:26] <|GaiJin|> on my too.... but I wouldn't be supprised if I installed something that made it not to work.... and yes... sorry bout the language
[10:26] <TheGateKeeper> MilhousePunkRock: what edge!! thought you where using arch?
[10:26] <MilhousePunkRock> TheGateKeeper: Hey... It's dual boot, remember?
[10:26] <TheGateKeeper> ohhh I forgot
[10:26] <MilhousePunkRock> Though the upgrade to edgy messes up the menu.lst
[10:26] <MilhousePunkRock> messed*
[10:27] <TheGateKeeper> ohh joy
[10:27] <MilhousePunkRock> Arch with E17 was not in a condition to use it for everyday tasks...
[10:27] <TheGateKeeper> that is why I don't like doing upgrades you can never be sure what it breaks
[10:28] <MilhousePunkRock> Since Edgy was supposed to cure my trouble with Kubuntu, I upgraded
[10:28] <MilhousePunkRock> The look'n
[10:28] <MilhousePunkRock> The look'n'feel is really nice, but it's still kinda ... edgy ;-)
[10:29] <TheGateKeeper> hmm I shall wait untill at least the end of november
[10:31] <Xzanron> anyone able to help me get kubuntu installed please?
[10:31] <Xzanron> it refuses to detect my hard drive
[10:34] <khirr> ello
[10:34] <khirr> i've one question
[10:34] <khirr> i've installed ubuntu, but i wanna change my resolution
[10:35] <cpk2> crazy_penguin: it should be safe to upgrade, I upgraded last night and havent seen any problems yet
[10:36] <crazy_penguin> cpk2: i see. thx
[10:37] <khirr> i wanna change my resolution
[10:37] <khirr> plz
[10:37] <khirr> help
[10:37] <khirr> for default there ir 640x480
[10:37] <khirr> :(
[10:38] <fdoving> !xconfig
[10:38] <ubotu> xconfig is To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[10:38] <fdoving> khirr: ^^
[10:39] <khirr> i'll check this now
[10:39] <aanarchy> how i can get help here?
[10:39] <fdoving> !ask
[10:39] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:39] <aanarchy> heh ok
[10:39] <aanarchy> I have dapper installed. The / and /home are on the same partition. I want to change my /home folder to be on a separate HDD/partition. anyone knows how i can do that without destoying my system?
[10:39] <khirr> how can i open the console, i'm new in ubuntu, is so diferent to kde
[10:40] <Xzanron> anyone able to help me get kubuntu installed please?
[10:40] <Xzanron> it refuses to detect my hard drive
[10:41] <aanarchy> alt-F2  and type konsole
[10:42] <aanarchy> hm...noone knows?
[10:43] <khirr> o gonna restart
[10:43] <chimaera> aanarchy: not a big thing: create a partition, log out all users, login as root, copy the data to the new partition and change the mountpoint in /etc/fstab accordingly.
[10:44] <aanarchy> can you please tell me how the mount point in fstab will look like? thanks
[10:45] <chimaera> just look at the file. it's like "/dev/hda4      /home      ext3      defaults        0       0 "
[10:46] <aanarchy> Thank you very much chimaera !
[10:46] <chimaera> you're welcome
[10:46] <fdoving> aanarchy: first, reboot to 'recovery mode' then partition the disk 'cfdisk /dev/disk' (replace /dev/disk with the /dev/entry of the disk with the new partition on) then format it to ext3, 'sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/newpartition' (replace /dev/newpartition with the /dev/entry of your new partition) continue with 'sudo mkdir /home2' then 'mount /dev/newpartition /home2' then copy the data 'rsync -av /home/ /home2' move the old home out of the way and put the 
[10:46] <khirr> cant change :(
[10:46] <khirr> now apeear, but i cant change
[10:46] <khirr> what is the command on konsole?
[10:46] <Jazon> hi channel
[10:46] <Jazon> is it possible to stick katapult up something where the sun doesn't shine???
[10:47] <anders__> I have tried to install synce so I can sync my windows mobile 5 phone with my laptop but can't get it to work! Any ideas?
[10:47] <aanarchy> ok, thanks fdoving
[10:47] <khirr> what is the command to xong
[10:47] <khirr> ?
[10:47] <Firetech> Jazon: check if you have a sling shot in the systray
[10:47] <Jazon> Firetech: nope
[10:47] <khirr> ?
[10:47] <khirr> pls
[10:48] <Firetech> Jazon: also, katapult should only popup when you press alt+space
[10:48] <khirr> i cant change my resolution
[10:48] <Firetech> khirr: sudo dpkg-reconfigure  xserver-xorg
[10:48] <khirr> thanks
[10:48] <Firetech> when it asks for a password, type YOUR password
[10:48] <fdoving> Jazon: in the run command dialog (kmenu -> run command) type 'dcop katapult MainApplication-Interface quit'
[10:49] <khirr> i see the option now in my system list, but when i select, this doesnt run
[10:49] <Jazon> fdoving: thx
[10:49] <anders__> Is it possible to install SynCE under kUbuntu?
[10:49] <Jazon> but why was it popping up when typing numbers?
[10:51] <Jazon> fdoving: will that disable it permanently or do i need to do it again next boot?
[10:51] <fdoving> Jazon: don't know. if you manage to make it pop-up again, you can hit ctrl+c, and configure it.
[10:51] <Jazon> fdoving: ok.   thx
[10:51] <fdoving> Jazon: if you logout cleanly, it should not restart.
[10:56] <khirr> guys
[10:56] <khirr> one question
[10:57] <khirr> my micro is AMD54
[10:57] <khirr> 64
[10:57] <khirr> should i install 32 bits verion or 64?
[10:57] <fdoving> 32
[10:57] <khirr> why?
[10:57] <fdoving> then you'll get all the codecs, and flash and everything.
[10:58] <khirr> mean, better is have 32 bits version?
[10:58] <fdoving> yes. it's better to have the 32bit version.
[10:58] <khirr> thanks, i gonna download it now
[10:58] <khirr> cya guys
[10:59] <Martyo> If I install edgy, can I upgrade it to the final version when it's available? or will I have to do a fresh install?
[10:59] <fdoving> you can upgrade.
[10:59] <fdoving> easily.
[10:59] <Martyo> excellent
[11:00] <fdoving> it's a matter of clicking the 'update icon' in the lower right corner when it pops up :)
[11:00] <fdoving> pops up/appears
[11:00] <Martyo> great
[11:01] <Martyo> what is the status of the ATI direct renderer? is it stable?
[11:02] <morghanphoenix> Has it ever been? I think it may just be my card, but I've had no end of problems with direct rendering.
[11:06] <Martyo> morghanphoenix: do you use the ATI.com official driver instead?
[11:07] <morghanphoenix> I tried, but ended up just using xorg config, seems ATI drivers don't have good support for the rage 128 series.
[11:07] <Martyo> ah
[11:07] <morghanphoenix> I'm getting a Radeon 9600 soon, that'll hopefully solve a few problems.
[11:27] <DarkWizzard> hello all
[11:27] <DarkWizzard> can anyone help me configure my tv tuner ?
[11:28] <DarkWizzard> when I enter xawtv the screen goes blank
[11:28] <DarkWizzard> and I cant exit from it
[11:32] <plasmonet> when will kubuntu edgy be fully released approx?
[11:33] <milan> hi
[11:33] <milan> i've got a little problem :P
[11:33] <milan> i tried to install gpar2
[11:33] <morghanphoenix> Seems like a lot of things make the screen go blank
[11:33] <milan> but theres a broken install
[11:33] <milan> it's missing libpar2
[11:33] <milan> can't find that package
[11:33] <milan> and i can't remove gpar2 either
[11:33] <morghanphoenix> ooh, root login to irc?
[11:34] <chupa> hi 2 all
[11:35] <morghanphoenix> that was fast, think I scared him off?
[11:35] <plasmonet> when will kubuntu edgy be fully released approx?
[11:35] <ubuntu> hello, pls help. Kubunt installation wants to reformat my xfs disks to ext3. do you know any way how to stop it?
[11:36] <chupa> october 26
[11:36] <plasmonet> ok thanks two day before my birthday
[11:36] <chupa> ;)
[11:37] <morghanphoenix> I like kubuntu for linux evangelism
[11:37] <morghanphoenix> All those free CDs and so simple to install and use anybody can do it.
[11:38] <chupa> thats my first visit to irc chat.. was finding it boring and now understand i was wrong
[11:39] <morghanphoenix> irc is either so boring you pass out in front of the screen or so active your fingers start to hurt from typing too much.
[11:40] <morghanphoenix> Still trying to figure out this xchat though, konversation was much simpler, can't even figure out how to auto identify with xchat.
[11:40] <chupa> anyone here from ukraine?
[11:40] <method|> why are you using x-chat?
[11:40] <morghanphoenix> I'm trying out slackware
[11:40] <morghanphoenix> x-chat is the default irc client.
[11:41] <marek-sk> it says its going to format my partitions and does not give any options
[11:41] <method|> ic
[11:41] <morghanphoenix> I never liked the kubuntu partition editor
[11:41] <method|> me either
[11:41] <method|> pclinux's is way better
[11:41] <method|> plinuxos's
[11:42] <morghanphoenix> The regular debian one is fine, slackware's is great, kubuntu's seems oversimplified.
[11:42] <marek-sk> I dont like it either. I had to use fdisk because the editor messed up
[11:42] <Xzanron> what is the linux-image package? seems rather big... guessing by the version number it might be the kernel?
[11:42] <chupa> yes
[11:43] <Xzanron> ok thanks
[11:43] <morghanphoenix> I also didn't like the lack of root user on kubuntu, keeps it simple though so I guess it's good.
[11:43] <chupa> 12 days left till edgy release.. and then 2-3 days to download
[11:43] <morghanphoenix> what kind of connection you have
[11:44] <morghanphoenix> takes me 20 min
[11:44] <cpk2> lack of root?
[11:44] <plasmonet> me too
[11:44] <cpk2> there is no lack of root...
[11:44] <marek-sk> but anyways, is there any advanced option somewhere?
[11:44] <morghanphoenix> it's there, it's just not turned on to begin with.
[11:44] <chupa> i have 64 kbps
[11:44] <morghanphoenix> Ahh
[11:44] <chupa> its average speed here
[11:45] <morghanphoenix> I have 7000kbps, that's right, you said ukraine, yes?
[11:45] <cpk2> surprisingly much of america is still stuck with incredibly slow connections too
[11:45] <cpk2> all those people in th emiddle of no where in the mid west
[11:45] <chupa> ye.. 1Mbit cost 400$ here.. and salary is about 200$ =)
[11:46] <morghanphoenix> Yeah, guess I'm lucky to live in Seattle.
[11:46] <chupa> and 64k cost 10$
[11:46] <momal> the joys of irssi
[11:46] <morghanphoenix> I pay about $80 for 7Meg ADSL
[11:46] <chupa> lol
[11:47] <marek-sk> morganpheonix: where can I find it_
[11:47] <morghanphoenix> eh?
[11:48] <morghanphoenix> marek-sk: find what?
[11:48] <morghanphoenix> :x
[11:48] <morghanphoenix> how do you do that emote thing in irc?
[11:48] <marek-sk> morghanphoenix: the advanced option
[11:48] <morghanphoenix> I never found it for the kubuntu installer
[11:49] <chupa> will be back in 5 min
[11:49] <Martyo> how do I update kubuntu? I can't find any update links/icons
[11:49] <morghanphoenix> I had to do full drive installs both times I set up kubuntu.
[11:49] <morghanphoenix> apt-get update?
[11:50] <Pazuzu> apt-get upgrade
[11:50] <morghanphoenix> the little adept icon should show up in your systray when there's updates
[11:50] <morghanphoenix> One thing that sucks about slackware, slapt is nothing compared to apt.
[11:51] <ccherrett> how can I get mplayer with apt-get?
[11:52] <Martyo> morghanphoenix: ah, thanks
[11:52] <Martyo> reason I ask, last time I updated via the systray icon, I got an error half way through, and then kubuntu wouldn't boot
[11:52] <morghanphoenix> apt-get install m-player
[11:52] <Martyo> I'm trying via the console now
[11:52] <morghanphoenix> ah, try dpkg-a
[11:53] <morghanphoenix> that seems to help adept errors out.
[11:53] <fdoving> !adept crash fix
[11:53] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[11:53] <baptiste_> bonjour  tous :)
[11:53] <morghanphoenix> that too
[11:53] <morghanphoenix> lol
[11:53] <Martyo> ah, thanks ;)
[11:53] <ccherrett> morghanphoenix: could not find package
[11:53] <morghanphoenix> have you tried add programs from the k-menu?
[11:54] <fdoving> ccherrett: mplayer, and it's in multiverse.
[11:54] <fdoving> !repos
[11:54] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:54] <morghanphoenix> are your repos enabled?
[11:54] <baptiste_> xchat marche pas sous kubuntu?
[11:54] <morghanphoenix> fr?
[11:54] <pavero> HATTRICK
[11:54] <baptiste_> oups =D
[11:54] <ccherrett> I have universe uncommanted
[11:55] <neio> anyybody know where I can get the SAP gui for Kubuntu?
[11:55] <baptiste_> im on a chan english???
[11:55] <morghanphoenix> multiverse
[11:55] <morghanphoenix> yes
[11:55] <baptiste_> sorry :P
[11:55] <baptiste_> i said, xchat don't work on Kubuntu?
[11:55] <morghanphoenix> worked for me
[11:56] <baptiste_> ok...
[11:56] <morghanphoenix> Konversation is the default for kubuntu
[11:56] <morghanphoenix> You know xchat?
[11:56] <ccherrett> then sudo apt-get update?
[11:56] <baptiste_> yeah i read ot
[11:56] <charlie5> dec, but i thought i had them all installedhello ... how can i play .wmv movies ? ... all players say i need some co
[11:56] <baptiste_> yeah i know xchat on win32
[11:56] <morghanphoenix> How do you set up auto-identify?
[11:56] <mangor> hi, have someone an idea how to configure a ISDN Card? Are ther some How To ?
[11:56] <charlie5> :/ ... try that again ...
[11:56] <lupine_85> konversation >> xchat ;)
[11:57] <charlie5> how can i play .wmv movies ? ... all players say i need some codec, but i thought i had them all installed
[11:57] <lupine_85> w32codecs
[11:57] <fdoving> !codecs
[11:57] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:57] <morghanphoenix> w32codecs
[11:57] <lupine_85> snap ;)
[11:57] <baptiste_> bye all :)
[11:57] <charlie5> :) ... thaks guys
[11:57] <lupine_85> it's all the windows .dll files that some players can use in linux
[11:57] <morghanphoenix> Can't seem to find w32codecs for slackware
[11:57] <lupine_85> mplayer, kaffeine are your best bet
[11:57] <lupine_85> morghanphoenix: you can probably just ar -x the .deb file and copy them into the right place
[11:57] <morghanphoenix> kaffeine is great
[11:58] <mangor> newer .wmv files are not supported
[11:58] <ccherrett> morghanphoenix: do you have the source url for multiverse?
[11:58] <lupine_85> or ask in #slackware or... something ;)
[11:58] <morghanphoenix> !source-o-matic
[11:58] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:58] <morghanphoenix> that's where I got mine.
[11:58] <ccherrett> cool thanks
[11:59] <mangor> sweet
[11:59] <lupine_85> you'd just copy the deb line and replace deb with deb-src ...
[12:00] <T3hWiz0rd> what is flash and mozilla firefox plugin fore it called in apt-get on kubuntu?
[12:02] <mangor>  have someone an idea how to configure a ISDN Card?
[12:03] <morghanphoenix> no idea on the ISDN here.
[12:03] <mangor> yupp, looks like this
[12:03] <morghanphoenix> do people still use those?
[12:03] <mangor> of course
[12:04] <fdoving> T3hWiz0rd: flashplayer-mozilla
[12:04] <mangor> there are also some people who use modems
[12:04] <lupine_85> !info flashplayer-nonfree
[12:04] <ubotu> Package flashplayer-nonfree does not exist in any distro I know
[12:04] <fdoving> !info flashplayer-nonfree
[12:04] <mangor> modem is no problem
[12:04] <fdoving> !info flashplayer-mozilla
[12:04] <ubotu> Package flashplayer-mozilla does not exist in any distro I know
[12:04] <lupine_85> bah, low ubotu-fu
[12:04] <chupa> some people? modems are still popular here
[12:05] <fdoving> it's in multiverse anyway.
[12:05] <morghanphoenix> Modems seem to set up automatically on all distros nowdays
[12:05] <mangor> where is here? chupa
[12:05] <chupa> ukraine
[12:05] <lupine_85> there's flashplayer-mozilla and flashplugin-nonfree
[12:05] <mangor> ok
[12:05] <morghanphoenix> I used to own a shotgun modem
[12:05] <morghanphoenix> that was interesting
[12:05] <chupa> hehe
[12:05] <lupine_85> I suppose since Ubuntu is for Humans, you can't assume everyone has BB :(
[12:05] <lupine_85> morghanphoenix:  MLPPP?
[12:05] <mangor> and ISDN is still popular here
[12:06] <morghanphoenix> linked 56k modems
[12:06] <mangor> ok was
[12:06] <chupa> you will laugh if you hear what computer do i have :)
[12:06] <lupine_85> yes, then :)
[12:06] <morghanphoenix> eh lupine?
[12:06] <lupine_85> mlppp == multilink point-to-point protocol
[12:06] <mangor> something less P1?
[12:06] <morghanphoenix> ah
[12:06] <lupine_85> rather than bonding at. say, the IP layer
[12:06] <morghanphoenix> I just got rid of a 386sx2
[12:07] <morghanphoenix> Used to have an 8086
[12:07] <lupine_85> you can do it with BB as well but you get strange latency effects
[12:07] <mangor> i dont laugh about someones computer ...
[12:07] <chupa> nah, a bit better.. celeron 600/256ram/geforce 2
[12:07] <morghanphoenix> yup, wish I had linux then, win 1.0
[12:08] <morghanphoenix> Your video card is better than mine chupa
[12:08] <chupa> really?
[12:08] <morghanphoenix> Yup, ATI Rage 128 Pro
[12:08] <chupa> cool)
[12:08] <morghanphoenix> vram measured in k
[12:09] <mangor> Thinkpad?
[12:09] <chupa> here computers as well as other imported goods are very expensive
[12:09] <lupine_85> toshiba tecra
[12:09] <lupine_85> not sure how I'm going to cope without Beryl :(
[12:09] <morghanphoenix> Getting a geforce 6 series or radeon 9600 for my birthday next month
[12:09] <morghanphoenix> hopefully
[12:09] <morghanphoenix> Can't even enable transparency with my current card.
[12:09] <lupine_85> chupa: can't you buy one on eBay and get it imported as a "gift"? :)
[12:09] <mangor> got some problems with S3 Savage on a Thinkpad 20  and Kubuntu 6.06
[12:10] <maryen> hey, anyone good with CUPS?
[12:10] <chupa> lupine, i dont think it will be delivered ;)
[12:10] <lupine_85> it'll be running edgy, and if it goes wrong I have a crowbar to hand ;)
[12:10] <mangor> ubuntu 5.10 works ....
[12:10] <mangor> ... ok Standby isnt working proper
[12:11] <B-Minus> hey all
[12:12] <momal> Fresh install of dapper and everything completly updated with kopete WORKING!!!!! finall
[12:12] <morghanphoenix> hmm, kopete, I miss that one.
[12:12] <morghanphoenix> Don't like gaim much
[12:12] <B-Minus_> hey all
[12:13] <lupine_85> I like kopete but it doesn't work through HTTP method for me, here
[12:13] <morghanphoenix> hey
[12:13] <momal> Linux_Galore: adept still didn't say about the configure -a but I ran it anyhow but didn't show anything.. but kopete is working thank freeken hell >_<
[12:13] <B-Minus_> im trying to install kubuntu on a dell latitide D620 but the install cd (6.06) just locks up after some time :( the same cd works on my other laptop
[12:13] <B-Minus_> is there anything i can try
[12:13] <B-Minus_> maybe install ubuntu or something ?
[12:13] <lupine_85> use the alt install cd instead?
[12:14] <B-Minus_> alt install cd ?
[12:14] <lupine_85> !alternate
[12:14] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-installation CD, with no live session. Use this if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an expert install.
[12:14] <morghanphoenix> if ubuntu installs it's really easy to switch over.
[12:14] <B-Minus_> expert :(
[12:14] <lupine_85> ignore the "expert" thing, it's dead easy
[12:14] <lupine_85> just text-mode
[12:14] <B-Minus_> :(
[12:14] <morghanphoenix> ooh
[12:14] <lupine_85> nice ncurses interface
[12:14] <morghanphoenix> that sounds nice, I hate that live CD
[12:14] <marek-sk> morghanphoenix: the installer got it right after 3rd try
[12:14] <lupine_85> seriously, the hardest bit is the partitioning
[12:14] <Sergo> hello
[12:15] <Sergo> and how to configure my netcard in kubuntu 6.10?
[12:15] <Sergo> i'm the administrator and i cannot configure it
[12:15] <lupine_85> Sergo: K -> System Settings -> Networking
[12:15] <Sergo> it's not available
[12:15] <B-Minus_> !alternate
[12:15] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-installation CD, with no live session. Use this if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an expert install.
[12:15] <Sergo> lupine_85 the administrator mode is required!
[12:15] <B-Minus_> hmmmm
[12:15] <mangor> partitioning is a piece of cake, ive got several problems with install from the Live system
[12:15] <Sergo> how to enable this mone?
[12:15] <Sergo> mode?
[12:15] <lupine_85> Sergo: in that case, run kdesu kcontrol
[12:16] <lupine_85> (in alt+f2 or a terminal or something)
[12:16] <morghanphoenix> I love manual partitioning.
[12:16] <T3hWiz0rd> morghanphoenix: i love pepperjack cheese
[12:16] <morghanphoenix> That's always been my biggest bitch about kubuntu
[12:16] <morghanphoenix> ooh, mee too
[12:16] <morghanphoenix> and colby jack
[12:16] <T3hWiz0rd> haha
[12:16] <B-Minus_> or maybe i can try 6.10 ?
[12:16] <B-Minus_> not ?
[12:17] <lupine_85> B-Minus_: you "can"
[12:17] <lupine_85> whether it'd make life easier is another matter
[12:17] <B-Minus_> but its still beta :s
[12:17] <lupine_85> they've got a fortnight before release, so it's not *that* beta
[12:17] <morghanphoenix> This close to release it should be fine
[12:17] <lupine_85> I installed just before knot 3, and then it *was* painful ;)
[12:17] <morghanphoenix> is it even that
[12:18] <B-Minus_> first im going to try with ubuntu and install kde
[12:18] <lupine_85> !schedule
[12:18] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[12:18] <morghanphoenix> I think it's under a fortnight now.
[12:18] <B-Minus_> if thats not working i try the alternate cd
[12:18] <xst> I have problems installing amarok 1.4.3. apt-get gives me an "amarok: Depends: libvisual-0.4-0 (>= 0.4.0) but it is not installable". What to do?
[12:18] <morghanphoenix> How do you manage two different distros on the same HDD?
[12:19] <morghanphoenix> You need to use a boot partition?
[12:19] <morghanphoenix> I had that same problem, couldn't fix it so I used automatix.
[12:19] <morghanphoenix> It installed amarok perfectly for me.
[12:20] <morghanphoenix> I was having lots of repo problems with kubuntu in the last few weeks.
[12:20] <lupine_85> morghanphoenix: you can give them separate /boot if you like
[12:20] <lupine_85> it doesn't matter too much, as if they're decent OSes they should detect each other
[12:21] <lupine_85> my problem with separate /boot partitions is that I always - always - run out of space
[12:21] <morghanphoenix> I want to put Kubuntu back on beside slackware, I love slackware, but it's not the best for trying to convert windows users with.
[12:21] <drbreen> i tried to convert one windows user to slackware
[12:21] <morghanphoenix> I have 20 gigs for root
[12:21] <drbreen> it was slick and stuff, but he switched to win98 after a few months
 how to enable administrator mode in kubuntu 6.10 what i can configure network ??!
[12:21] <Sergo_> =] 
[12:22] <Sergo_> sergo is ping time out
[12:22] <Sergo_> is needed to use "su" ?
[12:22] <TheGateKeeper> Sergo_: use sudo
[12:22] <morghanphoenix> I didn't mind win98
[12:22] <Sergo_> sudo? LOOL
[12:22] <Sergo_> what a lame
[12:22] <morghanphoenix> su doesn't work right in kubuntu unless you give root it's own password.
[12:22] <TheGateKeeper> !sudo > Sergo_
[12:22] <lupine_85> I quite liked 95 ;)
[12:23] <Sergo_> I need to configure my netcard
[12:23] <drbreen> lupine_85: bah windows is the shit
[12:23] <lupine_85> Sergo_: kdesu kcontrol
[12:23] <Sergo_> and administrator mode is required
 Sergo_: kdesu kcontrol - what is this?
[12:23] <morghanphoenix> add a password to root then
[12:23] <lupine_85> don't use sudo or su for GUI apps if you can avoid it
[12:23] <TheGateKeeper> Sergo_: you can use sudo su
[12:23] <morghanphoenix> You'll get su working fine.
[12:23] <Sergo_> kdesu kcontrol ?LOL
[12:23] <lupine_85> it'll run the KDE control centre
[12:23] <lupine_85> as root
[12:24] <Sergo_> how to set "su" ?
[12:24] <Sergo_> =] 
[12:24] <Sergo_> password to su
[12:24] <lupine_85> sudo passwd
[12:24] <TheGateKeeper> Sergo_: just do sudo su
[12:24] <morghanphoenix> add password to root account in kcontrol users
[12:25] <Sergo_> konsole have a lame shrift
[12:25] <Sergo_> =[
[12:25] <Sergo_> ok
[12:25] <Sergo_> thanks
[12:25] <lupine_85> wha?
[12:26] <morghanphoenix> I need to play with lilo, that cute little penguin is starting to bug me.
[12:26] <momal> umm after updating kde my default font looks really choppy :S.. I reisntalled video drivers any other idea to fix?
[12:26] <morghanphoenix> is anti-aliasing on?
[12:26] <serenity> There is a Releaseparty for edgy eft in Hannover, Germany (28.10.06), have a look: http://www.ubuntuusers.de/ikhaya/307/
[12:27] <momal> yup just checked then its on (Use anti-aliasing for fonts) that one is on
[12:27] <morghanphoenix> hmm, only thing I know.
[12:27] <momal> I had the problem before I reinstall dapper and I just reinstalled vid drivers and that fixed it :S
[12:28] <zorglu_> sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig <- you can play with the option in that momal
[12:28] <zorglu_> i had trouble with my fonts too and fixed it with that
[12:30] <momal> i'll need to logout then back in or restart kdm for changes?
[12:30] <DjDarkman> hy ,wich object can display a picture?
[12:30] <zorglu_> momal: i think so
[12:30] <DjDarkman> oups sorry :)(
[12:30] <DjDarkman> wrong channel
[12:30] <morghanphoenix> payaso, eh?
[12:31] <Payaso> upgrading to edgy.... :)
[12:31] <morghanphoenix> what does that mean?
[12:31] <morghanphoenix> my roomate used to call me that all the time.
[12:31] <Payaso> morghanphoenix: payaso is... a person that work doing joke... Krasty on simpsons is a Payaso :)
[12:31] <morghanphoenix> lol
[12:32] <morghanphoenix> He never would tell me what it meant
[12:32] <morghanphoenix> thanks
[12:32] <momal> thanks for that all good now :D
[12:32] <chupa> lol
[12:32] <Payaso> morghanphoenix: how is named payasos in english?
[12:32] <morghanphoenix> clown
[12:32] <Payaso> :)
[12:33] <chupa> dont anybody want to visit ukraine the nearest time?
[12:33] <Payaso> someone had upgrade to edgy?
[12:33] <flaccid> i do
[12:34] <momal> hmm for some reason the font prob is now when ever I run something under root lol? eg kdesu
[12:34] <morghanphoenix> I'm hopefully going to ireland next year if I can get the money.
[12:34] <Payaso> ukraine capital, kiev
[12:34] <morghanphoenix> Want to get married where my family was from.
[12:34] <Payaso> flaccid: and had you been problems in the upgrading?
[12:35] <chupa> payaso where are you from?
[12:35] <Payaso> chupa: from spain
[12:35] <flaccid> no i want go to to ukraine
[12:35] <flaccid> Payaso: a lot of people are. this is because it is beta.
[12:35] <Payaso> flaccid: lol
[12:36] <chupa> flaccid just like a tourist or because of work?
[12:36] <mangor> ive got no time to travel around the world
[12:36] <Payaso> flaccid: i have not problem with edgy, i am upgrading now :)
[12:36] <flaccid> chupa: anything if someone pays for me
[12:36] <Payaso> 89,0kB/s 3h16m7s
[12:36] <flaccid> you may run into problems
[12:36] <flaccid> that is only the downloading yes
[12:36] <Payaso> 3h16m for edgy :)
[12:37] <flaccid> yet to do anything i assume
[12:37] <Martyo> I've just installed kubuntu edgy, updated everything, and now when I click 'Log off', nothing happens
[12:37] <zorglu_> Payaso: is that the max your isp can provide ? or the servers are slow ?
[12:37] <Sergo_> what is wrong this kubuntu
[12:37] <Sergo_> i cant configure netcard..
[12:37] <Sergo_> i have no privileges
[12:37] <Payaso> zorglu_: my max speed is 100Kb/s
[12:37] <zorglu_> ok
[12:37] <Payaso> zorglu_: why?
[12:37] <mangor> have to write some exams in the next weeks
[12:38] <zorglu_> Payaso: just wondering
[12:38] <morghanphoenix> I get about 600k and pay for 7m
[12:38] <chupa> arghhh.. i also have exams in 2 weeks :(
[12:38] <morghanphoenix> kinda annoying
[12:38] <Payaso> in spain the conection are very slow and very expensive
[12:38] <Sergo_> this kubuntu sux
[12:38] <Sergo_> a lot
[12:38] <morghanphoenix> Old wiring in the building won't support my DSL speed
[12:38] <morghanphoenix> Have you given root a password?
[12:38] <zorglu_> Payaso: really ? i was in spain 2years ago and some very good deal was advertized in the street
[12:39] <morghanphoenix> nice one sergo
[12:39] <morghanphoenix> ignore the help, tell us it sucks and log off.
[12:39] <morghanphoenix> should just told him rtfm
[12:39] <zorglu_> Payaso: in france, isp are really cheap and i was under the impression that spain was the same
[12:39] <Payaso> zorglu_: in spain ADSL 1Mb/300kbps 50/month...
[12:39] <mangor> this isnt very cheap at all
[12:39] <morghanphoenix> woah
[12:40] <zorglu_> Payaso: ok... maybe i misread the advertizement...
[12:40] <chupa> payaso, that isnt slow.. i have 64kbps for 10$ per month
[12:40] <morghanphoenix> what's the exchange to usd?
[12:40] <morghanphoenix> like 75 isn't it?
[12:40] <zorglu_> i have 20mbit/1mbit for 20euro/month
[12:40] <Payaso> zorglu_: in the advertized not appear tax, line cost, etc...
[12:40] <kubuntu-sux> hello, how to switch to administrator user mode?
[12:40] <zorglu_> Payaso: oh this may explain it then :)
[12:40] <morghanphoenix> hello sergo
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[12:41] <thoreauputic> !root > kubuntu-sux
[12:41] <chupa> gonna eat something
[12:41] <morghanphoenix> !root >morghanphoenix
[12:41] <mangor> ADSL 1500kbit/s plus telephone Flat 53 Euro
[12:41] <thoreauputic> !root
[12:41] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:41] <Payaso> zorglu_: in my university i have 50Mb/50Mb :)
[12:41] <kubuntu-sux> is not more simple like in ubuntu.. there are automatic password required and want to configure something?
[12:42] <morghanphoenix> I add a password to root in users tab of kcontrol
[12:42] <zorglu_> Payaso: neat :)
[12:42] <morghanphoenix> lets you use su
[12:42] <m4x1mum> guys which vim is the gui version?? i installed vim gtk, but no gui came out if i run from terminal?
[12:42] <kubuntu-sux> and konsole is not required..
[12:42] <kubuntu-sux> to configure netcard
[12:42] <Martyo> when I click Launch -> Logoff, nothing happens - what could be causing that? it's a fresh install of kubuntu edgy + updates
[12:42] <Martyo> it's the AMD64 version
[12:42] <Payaso> m4x1mum: gvim
[12:42] <morghanphoenix> what kind of net card are you using that kubuntu didn't detect and configure it automatically?
[12:43] <kubuntu-sux> i'm to lame to call program from konsole
[12:43] <morghanphoenix> I do it all the time, but I use blackbox.
[12:43] <kubuntu-sux> is there another way..
[12:43] <m4x1mum> i cant find gvim in adept :(
[12:43] <kubuntu-sux> to run program with all privileges?
[12:43] <morghanphoenix> kdesu program
[12:43] <morghanphoenix> do that from the run line
[12:44] <zorglu_> kubuntu-sux: kmenu->system setting->network settings
[12:44] <morghanphoenix> alt-f2 I think
[12:44] <Payaso> m4x1mum: sorry vim-gnome - Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - with GNOME2 GUI
[12:44] <morghanphoenix> kdesu
[12:44] <kubuntu-sux> zorglu_ this is right, but when want to configure IP is not available ..
[12:44] <kubuntu-sux> this is becouse i'm not under administrator
[12:44] <morghanphoenix> I use kdesu konqueror all the time to work on my root file system.
[12:44] <zorglu_> kubuntu-sux: so pass adminitrator ? there is a button for it
[12:45] <kubuntu-sux> zorglu_ from User account?
[12:45] <morghanphoenix> yeah
[12:45] <puttlick> in which packet is /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.us ?
[12:45] <zorglu_> kubuntu-sux: ? click on the button and give the password
[12:45] <Payaso> puttlick: in xomodmap
[12:45] <m4x1mum> Payaso: thanks, i'll try that
[12:45] <kubuntu-sux> zorglu_ on what button to click
[12:45] <kubuntu-sux> ?
[12:46] <zorglu_> kubuntu-sux: the one with 'adminitrator' displayed on it :)
[12:46] <kubuntu-sux> zorglu_ from user account??
[12:46] <lackdiant> hi, I have a problem with youtube sound
[12:46] <lackdiant> I can't hear the audio
[12:46] <suredo> i want to try ubuntu's gnome desktop on my kubuntu. is that safe? i've read some posts about loginproblems when doing that
[12:46] <zorglu_> kubuntu-sux: ok try to make complete sentence, i dont understand what you mean
[12:46] <morghanphoenix> go to accounts, click the box to show system accounts, edit root.
[12:47] <zorglu_> suredo: yep it is supposed to work
[12:47] <Payaso> suredo: yes, it is sure, you will can to choose gnome or kde in kdm
[12:47] <kubuntu-sux> zorglu_ ok, but i didn't found administrator button in kmenu->system setting->network settings
[12:47] <suredo> thanks, both of you :)
[12:47] <m4x1mum> still the same the vi only came out within the terminal not gui on its own
[12:47] <morghanphoenix> have you tried runnung kdesu program?
[12:48] <zorglu_> kubuntu-sux: hmm well i got one. which kubuntu version are you running ?
[12:48] <kubuntu-sux> i ubuntu is more simple... when want to configure network there is a password require and this is all
[12:48] <Payaso> m4x1mum: vim is vim, the gui must to have another command, i think that is gvim but i dont remember i always use vim from console
[12:48] <kubuntu-sux> zorglu_ an 6.10
[12:48] <zorglu_> kubuntu-sux: ohh this is edgy.. i dont use develpement version so i dunno it
[12:48] <morghanphoenix> Something may be wrong with your install, it's just as simple in kubuntu normally.
[12:49] <kubuntu-sux> ok
[12:49] <morghanphoenix> oh, edgy
[12:49] <kubuntu-sux> i will need probaly to delete it.
[12:49] <kubuntu-sux> (
[12:49] <morghanphoenix> what program are you trying to run?
[12:49] <zorglu_> kubuntu-sux: as a side note, beginner may gain in using the stable version because they wont have to deal with all the issue of devlopement version
[12:49] <m4x1mum> aaah, its vim -g, gvim is for windows
[12:50] <zorglu_> kubuntu_: in short i advise you to install dapper 6.06.1 instead
[12:50] <kubuntu_> ok
[12:50] <morghanphoenix> I should try edgy
[12:50] <suredo> one more q, anyone know the date for 6.10 release?
[12:50] <Payaso> m4x1mum: i see
[12:50] <Martyo> lol, kubuntu won't boot again...
[12:50] <morghanphoenix> in les than a month
[12:50] <Martyo> I give up, I'm trying the 32bit version
[12:50] <Payaso> suredo: 26
[12:50] <morghanphoenix> there it is
[12:50] <suredo> thanks, again :)
[12:50] <m4x1mum> for vim settings, i just create .vimrc in my home directory?
[12:51] <morghanphoenix> see, I told ya it wasn't even a fortnight.
[12:51] <Payaso> m4x1mum: i use /etc/vim/vimrc
[12:52] <morghanphoenix> yeah, now for editing xorg.conf and fstab
[12:52] <morghanphoenix> Kubuntu spoiled me, it was so simple.
[12:53] <morghanphoenix> great, need to write udev rules too
[12:53] <morghanphoenix> I don't think I'm sleeping tonight.
[12:53] <T3hWiz0rd> `behave
[12:53] <chupa> is there a irc client better then konversation?
[12:53] <morghanphoenix> or this morning as the case may be.
[12:53] <morghanphoenix> Define better.
[12:54] <Payaso> chupa: yes, bitchx but is for console
[12:54] <morghanphoenix> There's lots that are different.
[12:54] <morghanphoenix> I have x-chat and bitchx
[12:54] <morghanphoenix> bitchx for blackbox
[12:54] <morghanphoenix> Am I delusional or does anyone else remember a distro named blackbox?
[12:54] <Payaso> i want to see a blackbox with xgl :)
[12:55] <morghanphoenix> didn't last long, but boy was it fast.
[12:55] <T3hWiz0rd> Payaso: irssi pwns bitchx
[12:55] <Payaso> irssi is gay
[12:55] <T3hWiz0rd> you wish itwas
[12:55] <kubuntu_> why there is more users that use ubuntu then kubuntu?
[12:55] <flaccid> i just plugged my usb flash drive in. didn't seem to automount, what can i do?
[12:55] <kubuntu_> =] 
[12:56] <T3hWiz0rd> kubuntu_: ubuntu is concidered to be easier since gome is less... functionable? than kde
[12:56] <Payaso> flaccid: mount it.... probably mount /dev/sda1 /mount/point
[12:56] <T3hWiz0rd> kubuntu_: kde can be very confusing to a basic user.
[12:56] <flaccid> Payaso: why won't it automount. where is the settings for this?
[12:56] <Payaso> gnome is easier for home desktops, kde is better for developers and for work
[12:56] <chupa> anybody tried xfce4?
[12:57] <T3hWiz0rd> Payaso: and for those who like a "do it yourself" approach at things.
[12:57] <teledyn_k> how different is kubuntu from ubuntu?  is it as current?
[12:57] <morghanphoenix> I need to add my ext-hdd to fstab, I hate mounting everything in konsole all the time.
[12:57] <Payaso> flaccid: i dont know, my kubuntu always automount it
[12:57] <chupa> i prefer kde for my desktop
[12:57] <m4x1mum> the only difference that i know is that ubuntu use gnow and kubuntu use kde
[12:57] <m4x1mum> gnome
[12:57] <morghanphoenix> I use KDE, fluxbox and afterstep normally.
[12:57] <flaccid> Payaso: ah its got no active partitions
[12:57] <Payaso> teledyn_k: no diferences, only gnome or kde, i have now kgubuntu because i had installed gnome in my kubuntu
[12:58] <kubuntu_> m4x1mum ubuntu is more simple
[12:58] <T3hWiz0rd> !mount
[12:58] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted  -  Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs")  -  Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks
[12:58] <T3hWiz0rd> perhaps?
[12:58] <T3hWiz0rd> hmmm...
[12:58] <kubuntu_> =] 
[12:58] <T3hWiz0rd> you're not very descriptive there is more to linux than gui controls
[12:58] <T3hWiz0rd> I know ubuntu/kubuntu focus purely around a gui-controlled os
[12:58] <morghanphoenix> Only one I had problems with was sawfish, kept crashing my computer.
[12:58] <T3hWiz0rd> but it simply doesn't ALWAYS work that way.
[12:59] <T3hWiz0rd> speaking of CLI... is there a command in the CLI that reports the distribution name?
[12:59] <T3hWiz0rd> I know uname can report kernel and whatnot, but what about distro?
[01:00] <morghanphoenix> there is, but I don't know it, something about deb version.
[01:00] <m4x1mum> i've been using kubuntu for over a week now!!
[01:00] <morghanphoenix> I used kubuntu for a month, then debian, now slackware.
[01:00] <T3hWiz0rd> m4x1mum: kubuntu is a nice os. Don't be afraid to test new waters as you gain experience though ;-)
[01:00] <T3hWiz0rd> my list of approved OS's is very small lol
[01:00] <morghanphoenix> Still keep kubuntu around for evangelism though
[01:00] <T3hWiz0rd> Mac OS X, Kubuntu/ubuntu, debian, Suse, Slack
[01:00] <T3hWiz0rd> everything else is on "the list."
[01:01] <Payaso> T3hWiz0rd: i dont know but Debian and old his fork like ubuntu has /etc/debian_version that indicate you that it is a debian like
[01:01] <morghanphoenix> haven't used SuSe yet
[01:01] <DjDarkman> hy ,how can I make the compiler to use qt4 insted of qt3?
[01:01] <m4x1mum> anyone know any CASE tools ?
[01:01] <T3hWiz0rd> morghanphoenix: despite the fact that 10.1 shipped totally broken, its a nice OS
[01:01] <Payaso> m4x1mum: hid Case Ud
[01:02] <T3hWiz0rd> morghanphoenix: my server is hosted pure suse 10.0 and I would never choose another os for my server uses. I back suse 100% as a server... however, as a client, it did make me REALLY mad
[01:02] <morghanphoenix> I still need to try BSD.
[01:02] <T3hWiz0rd> morghanphoenix: hopefully 10.2 will be more promissing and I can return to my world of suse... or maybe i'll like kubuntu more and stick around... I tend to drift too often
[01:02] <T3hWiz0rd> if I was married to an OS i'd of been arrested for adultry by now... I can't stay loyal.
[01:02] <m4x1mum> hid case ud?
[01:02] <Payaso> m4x1mum: i workedon hids case ud a lot of time -> http://sourceforge.net/projects/hidscaseud
[01:03] <morghanphoenix> I've been moving to progresivly "harder" distros.
[01:03] <morghanphoenix> I think slackware is going to stick if I can get dvd playback working right.
[01:03] <T3hWiz0rd> morghanphoenix: suse isn't really hard. Yast simplifies life even further than apt-get
[01:03] <T3hWiz0rd> morghanphoenix: i don't care about harder or easier, i go where the packages are... and frankly, debian is the leading os in packages
[01:03] <morghanphoenix> MP3 support on a fresh install, can't beat that.
[01:03] <morghanphoenix> yeah
[01:03] <mangor> "harder" distros? Gentoo without LAN on an 486?
[01:04] <morghanphoenix> I miss apt too
[01:04] <morghanphoenix> slapt is nearly worthless
[01:04] <morghanphoenix> but pkgtool is great
[01:04] <T3hWiz0rd> He who cannot get laid shout Gentoo Gentoo! rah rah rah!
[01:04] <T3hWiz0rd> I would love to play with gentoo... sadly,  I don't feel like living in my mothers basment while i emerge kde lol
[01:04] <m4x1mum> this case tools is UML compliant right?
[01:05] <morghanphoenix> I'd try red hat, but I hate RPMs so much from the Kubuntu period I'm afraid I'd be biased.
[01:05] <T3hWiz0rd> morghanphoenix: Yum isn't as nice as YaST
[01:05] <T3hWiz0rd> and rpm distros certainly don't install and resolve like .deb distros do
[01:05] <T3hWiz0rd> nowhere near as good
[01:06] <DjDarkman> how can I add something to the sudoers list ,to make it run with root priveleges?
[01:06] <T3hWiz0rd> morghanphoenix: I've always gone with whatever fits me best and never zealoted... my home network is very diverse and multicultral to keep me guessing...
[01:07] <morghanphoenix> lol
[01:07] <mangor> i like suse but if you want to habe mp3 support or anything else (flash etc.) you have to buy the fullversion
[01:07] <mangor> open Suse supports nearly nothing
[01:07] <T3hWiz0rd> morghanphoenix: my primary domain controller, smb share, and web server is all on a suse 10.0 box. My FTP/SFTP box is a fedora core 5 machine, my laptop is OS X, my desktop is kubuntu/dual boot windows, and my other laptop is soon to be mephis.
[01:07] <morghanphoenix> I've liked kubuntu, debian and slackware so far, if I had enough computers I'd have one of each and a distro test computer for playing with.
[01:07] <mangor> so ive canged tu (k)ubunto
[01:08] <morghanphoenix> I kinda miss windows for one reason only
[01:08] <morghanphoenix> I loved UO
[01:08] <morghanphoenix> I miss Britania
[01:08] <morghanphoenix> Only UO I get now is from snes ROMs
[01:08] <T3hWiz0rd> morghanphoenix: i keep windows around because it supports my uvc webcam and i gotta keep up the naughty shows ;-) pay the rent lmao
[01:08] <flaccid> !mame
[01:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mame - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:09] <flaccid> !find rom
[01:09] <ubotu> Found: genromfs, libroman-perl, python-roman, asterisk-prompt-de, asterisk-prompt-fr (and 29 others)
[01:09] <morghanphoenix> !mess
[01:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mess - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:09] <Tm_T> Please stop fishing.
[01:09] <morghanphoenix> nothing's biting
[01:09] <T3hWiz0rd> mangor: openSuSE is a really good os, its just very buggy at the moment and its been undergowing a lot of changes.
[01:10] <T3hWiz0rd> mangor: it'll improve... for now, if you use suse i'd recommend sticking by 10.0... fewer bugs.
[01:10] <flaccid> i am just waiting for edgy to be a stable horse
[01:10] <T3hWiz0rd> why is hurd illegal?
[01:10] <mangor> ive got 10.1 on my samba server
[01:11] <morghanphoenix> hurd?
[01:11] <T3hWiz0rd> GNU/Hurd
[01:11] <T3hWiz0rd> its illegal.
[01:11] <morghanphoenix> no idea what hurd is
[01:11] <mangor> yast is a great configuration tool ... and it supports ISDN Card :)
[01:12] <mangor> i dont have found any howtos  to  configure a ISDN Card wit kubuntu
[01:12] <T3hWiz0rd> mangor: kubuntu supports them too... YaST is not what makes suse works, its simply a localization of the tools that do.
[01:12] <morghanphoenix> I like the irssi themes
[01:13] <Martyo> T3hWiz0rd: GNU Hurd illegal?
[01:13] <T3hWiz0rd> Martyo: isn't it illegal? or having lots of legal problems? or something.
[01:13] <mangor> Hurd is released next year
[01:15] <teledyn_k> hurd is a totally different OS
[01:15] <mangor> there is a release????
[01:17] <hyper> abattoir: you know how ubotu works here and whether it's possbile to get one for other ubuntu channels also?
[01:18] <abattoir> !ubotu
[01:18] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[01:18] <abattoir> hyper: its run by Seveas, you might want to speak w/ him
[01:18] <hyper> abattoir: thx :) I thought you know the answer :)
[01:19] <abattoir> :)
[01:21] <sorush20> does gmail mean gay mail, only jocking.. my computer keeps crashing badly and my root partitions which I install all my lovely programs on keeps failing and I have to reinstall kubuntu again.
[01:28] <Develop> msg nickserv  register 2Kgjk
[01:28] <|GaiJin|> thank you:P
[01:28] <|GaiJin|> we all saw it:P
[01:30] <|GaiJin|> oki... i am using 2 monitors atm without using twinview... buit... when playing WoW (for example...) I have to go in wondow mode to enter the other monitor... and I'd rather avoid that... how can I fix this??
[01:34] <morghanphoenix> got my sound working
[01:35] <morghanphoenix> this is quite the project
[01:35] <sorush20> did anyone here answer me before I had to leave.. I keep getting crc check error on uncompressing linux
[01:35] <sorush20> I'm using jfs
[01:37] <sorush20> hi
[01:37] <Hellvie> how to check for errors an ntfs partition using kubuntu?
[01:37] <Hellvie> !ntfs
[01:37] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[01:37] <Hellvie> !fuse
[01:37] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[01:39] <manjunatha> how to join into windows domain
[01:39] <thoreauputic> that's a very bad factoid for fuse...
[01:39] <thoreauputic> fuse does way more than just ntfs with ntfs-3g
[01:40] <thoreauputic> !sshfs
[01:40] <ubotu> sshfs: filesystem client based on SSH File Transfer Protocol. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 23 kB, installed size 100 kB
[01:40] <thoreauputic> Ok well at leastthat's there too
[01:40] <Hellvie> hehe
[01:40] <Hellvie> thanks anyway
[01:44] <sorush20> just reflash the kernel partition again from the bootloader console., how do I do this?
[01:47] <fabio> ciao
[01:52] <ad> Hi ! I got square instead of accent (eacute) on vfat windows fat32. Why ?
[01:53] <nuku> ad: probably because the partition is mounted with the wrong encoding
[01:55] <ad> nuku: well it is defaults
[01:55] <ad> in option
[01:57] <nuku> ad: kubuntu uses utf8 as default.. you may have to use something like iso8859-1 or iso8859-15 or what other locale you may used under windows..
[01:59] <nuku> (or convert your filenames to utf8)
[02:00] <ad> nuku: where can i set kubuntu default charset ?
[02:01] <nuku> ad: i would personally not mess with it and leave it to utf8 as that supports nearly every character set you can imagine..
[02:02] <RogueJediX> Anyone know anything about applying patches?
[02:02] <nuku> ad: you can set the nls page for your fat partition so it will be converted to your local (utf8) charset transparent..
[02:02] <morghanphoenix> anyone know anything about ogg video?
[02:02] <morghanphoenix> I can't find a channel for it.
[02:03] <morghanphoenix> Thoggen DVD rips playing as audio after a reinstall
[02:05] <ad> nuku: nls page :\ what is it ?
[02:05] <cpk2> RogueJediX: what do you mean applying patches?
[02:06] <nuku> nuku: national language support
[02:06] <RogueJediX> cpk2: I'm trying to compile mplayer, but I need to apply three or so patches before I start running make
[02:06] <RogueJediX> cpk2: And I have no idea how to do that
[02:06] <cpk2> RogueJediX: you know mplayer is in the repos?
[02:06] <Martyo> heh, just did a fresh install of kubuntu 32bit over 64bit, and I still can't logoff/restart/shutdown
[02:06] <RogueJediX> cpk2: Yeah, but I'm trying to compile it for x264 support
[02:07] <Martyo> anyone else have the same problem?
[02:07] <cpk2> RogueJediX: you have build essentials?
[02:07] <RogueJediX> cpk2: I do.
[02:08] <nuku> ad: you could try to edit your /etc/fstab and remove the utf8 and then do a "mount -o remount /media/yourpartition" ... i am not quite sure about the vfat thing as there is no nls option for it as it seems :)
[02:08] <cpk2> RogueJediX: wouldnt it work if you made the package with apt-get?
[02:09] <cpk2> assuming your compiling on the coomputer using it
[02:09] <RogueJediX> cpk2: Yes, I am trying to compile it on this computer and I didn't know you could compile stuff with apt-get
[02:10] <ad> nuku: no nls option for vfat so that is no the solution , is it ?
[02:11] <cpk2> RogueJediX: apt-get build-dep mplayer
[02:11] <cpk2> RogueJediX: and then after that apt-get -b mplaye
[02:11] <nuku> nuku: well remove the utf8 from the line of your vfat mountpoint in the fstab and try to remount it and see if it fixed the filename
[02:11] <RogueJediX> cpk2: Thanks. I'll try that now
[02:11] <cpk2> RogueJediX: then you will have your very own .deb
[02:11] <steveire> Hey. Does anyone here use a creative jukebox and have it connected to amarok?
[02:12] <nuku> nuku: on the other hand you might want to convert your filenames to utf8 anyway and stick with utf8 :)
[02:12] <nuku> !info convmv
[02:12] <ubotu> convmv: filename encoding conversion tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.08-1 (dapper), package size 17 kB, installed size 88 kB
[02:13] <RogueJediX> cpk2: Er, one problem, though. I see it's trying to get its own version of x264. The forums said it's better if I build that on my own too, which I already did
[02:13] <nuku> ad: ~
[02:13] <ad> nuku: i wonder if it is easy to do in windows ... Do you know if there is a option for this ? Maybe you don't know windows :)
[02:13] <cpk2> RogueJediX: you lost me there
[02:14] <SlimG> in edgy, shouldn't /bin/sh be linked to /bin/bash instead of /bin/dash ?
[02:14] <RogueJediX> cpk2: After typing sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer, it showed me the new packages it needed for mplayer to build, but I already built one of them manually
[02:15] <nuku> ad: well windows support utf8.... but i am not 100% sure how it determines if a fat partition is using utf8..
[02:15] <cpk2> RogueJediX: well i dont think it would hurt to build it again?
[02:16] <ad> nuku:  on thanks ...
[02:16] <RogueJediX> cpk2: You'd think I'd figure out something as obvious. Thanks.
[02:16] <ad> IS there a FTP client in default kubuntu .
[02:16] <ad> ?
[02:17] <cpk2> RogueJediX: getting x264-bin wont add support for it to mplayer?
[02:17] <ad> I can not find it
[02:17] <nuku> ad: well maybe just try to remove the utf8 option from the vfat in fstab first, remount and see if it works...
[02:18] <RogueJediX> cpk2: It would, but apparently it's better if I build it myself, since the package is not very optimised for specific computers
[02:18] <nuku> ad: no there is not ftp client installed by default, but there are various in the repository..
[02:18] <ad> nuku: can i remove with something like "defaults,iocharset=noutf8" ?
[02:18] <nuku> ad: no.. there is no "noutf8" .. where are you from?
[02:18] <cpk2> RogueJediX: so you could probably "apt-get build-dep x264-bin" and then apt-get -b x264-bin" and then do the same for mplayer
[02:18] <ad> I used filezilla on wondows ... I think it is in kubuntu but is there another good one ?
[02:19] <morghanphoenix> anybody know a linux avi encoder?
[02:19] <cpk2> what is avc anyways?
[02:19] <nuku> ad: i suppose it will be iso8859-15 thats western europe with euro char support
[02:19] <ad> nuku: I just meant to let defaults and take utf8 away with a special option (utf8 is in defaults i think
[02:19] <morghanphoenix> or any format really, as long as it'll let me put my dvds on the hard drive.
[02:20] <nuku> nuku: yes just remove the utf8 and try it..
[02:20] <RogueJediX> cpk2: No dice. It doesn't recognize x264-bin, as well as libx264-dev, x264 and libx264
[02:20] <nuku> why am i talking to myself constantly :p
[02:20] <ad> nuku: how to remove it if i let defaults ?
[02:21] <cpk2> i can build dep x264-bin...
[02:21] <cpk2> !info x264-bin
[02:21] <ubotu> x264-bin: a free library for encoding H264/AVC video streams. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:0.cvs20060210-0.0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 165 kB, installed size 496 kB
[02:21] <nuku> ad: yes defaults is fine there should be something like defaults,utf8,... and remove the utf8
[02:21] <ad> no filezilla :\ Is there another FTP client ?
[02:22] <ad> nuku: no there is no utf8 :)
[02:22] <nuku> ad: hmm
[02:22] <ad> only defaults
[02:22] <ad> That s why I thought it could be include in the defaults :=
[02:23] <steveire> ad: If you use firefox get fireFTP. It's very good.
[02:23] <nuku> ad: maybe try to add iocharset=iso8559-15 but i'm not sure
[02:24] <nuku> sorry 8859-15
[02:25] <nuku> ad: you might want to checkout krusader its a twinpanel filemanager and supports ftp
[02:28] <ad> nuku: no it does not work :) thanks anyway
[02:29] <nuku> ad: have your remounted the partition?
[02:29] <morghanphoenix> do 10.1 packages work on 10.2?
[02:29] <ad> steveire: fireFTP is included in firefox ? Extension ?
[02:29] <Tm_T> ad: Use Konqueror
[02:29] <nuku> ad: well i'm out of ideas for no otherwise.. or just use some tools like convmv to convert your filenames to the right encoding :)
[02:29] <Tm_T> nuku: Konqueror can bee split too.
[02:30] <ad> Tm_T:  konqueror for ?
[02:30] <Tm_T> ad: ftp/sftp for example.
[02:30] <RogueJediX> cpk2: You did sudo apt-get build-dep x264-bin?
[02:30] <ad> is there a connections manager int it ?
[02:30] <ad> Tm_T:
[02:30] <cpk2> RogueJediX: yup
[02:31] <Tm_T> ad: You can bookmark it
[02:31] <nuku> Tm_T: well yes but krusader has some nice additional features.. plus supports the "good old hotkeys" :)
[02:31] <cpk2> but aborted after that
[02:31] <Tm_T> nuku: I see. :)
[02:31] <RogueJediX> cpk2: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. <- That's what it gives me
[02:31] <RogueJediX> No errors, nothing.
[02:32] <cpk2> RogueJediX: you have multiverse enabled?
[02:32] <RogueJediX> cpk2: Yup, checked it twice
[02:33] <yuma> hi there
[02:33] <yuma> anyone using konqi 3.5.4 could open http://ju-ni.net and tell me if it works?
[02:34] <tsdgeos> what's the definition of work?
[02:34] <cpk2> RogueJediX: try sudo apt-get source -b x264-bin that will get the source and then compile it into a .deb
[02:34] <tsdgeos> it displays a menu here
[02:35] <tsdgeos> but probably has some flash i can not see because of missing flash palyer
[02:35] <cpk2> my syntax earlier for compiling source with apt-get was a little off =P
[02:35] <yuma> tsdgeos: no, it's not flash
[02:36] <tsdgeos> ok
[02:36] <yuma> tsdgeos: you should see some posts like wordpress, or that kind
[02:36] <tsdgeos> yuma: nothing
[02:36] <tsdgeos> only menu
[02:36] <tsdgeos> that's 3.5.5 btw
[02:36] <yuma> tsdgeos: oh, well, that happens for me too
[02:36] <cpk2> RogueJediX: I have never compiled with apt-get but am trying it out now with kopete to see if it really does work =P
[02:36] <cpk2> I already build-dep and am getting the src right now =)
[02:37] <RogueJediX> Ah, okay then
[02:37] <yuma> I need someone with konqueror <3.5.5 so we can determine if it's a thing of new code in 3.5.5 or something that's usupported
[02:37] <cpk2> i have kde 3.5.5
[02:37] <yuma> tsdgeos: I know that in 3.3.2 it works, but maybe the code of the AJAX only is ignored
[02:38] <tsdgeos> yuma if you are sure it works in 3.3.2 and not it 3.5.5 file a bug
[02:38] <tsdgeos> bugs.kde.org
[02:38] <ad> I d like to install something that is not in a repository : how to proceed ? it is xnview ?
[02:38] <yuma> tsdgeos: I'm on it
[02:38] <tsdgeos> and put [Regression]  on the header
[02:38] <ad> should I download a tar.gz or a rpm ,
[02:38] <cpk2> yuma: cool, I love bleach =D
[02:38] <yuma> tsdgeos: but I wanted to determine if it works on 3.5.4 to write it on the desc.
[02:39] <yuma> cpk2: I'm getting more and more complicated to read it! Now I have to install firefox to read it, and I refuse :)
[02:40] <cpk2> yuma: the page works, maybe, i can see "home" "forum" buttons etc but nothing below that
[02:40] <yuma> tsdgeos: I think if they know that in 3.5.4 works but in 3.5.5 doesn't their search for the bug will be shorter than if they know that in 3.3.2 works but in 3.5.5 don't
[02:41] <yuma> cpk2: it's supposed to see some post of new and a shoutbox done with AJAX
[02:41] <ad> Should I use alien ,
[02:41] <yuma> the AJAX shoutbox is new, from 2 weeks ago or so
[02:41] <ad> ?
[02:41] <cpk2> ad: you can use the tar
[02:42] <ubuntu> hey kubuntu power users :) ... i'm currently on the LiveCD and i'm stuck
[02:42] <yuma> maybe that's what's breaking the page
[02:42] <ricanelite> does anyone here have any experience using MOL??
[02:42] <cpk2> RogueJediX: btw this is why precompiled packages are nice, still compiling measly ol kopete =)
[02:42] <Hobbsee> cpk2: er, why?
[02:43] <declan> What does peacekpr mean stuck?
[02:43] <cpk2> Hobbsee: because I've never tried -b with apt-get?
[02:43] <RogueJediX> cpk2: I know. I wouldn't be trying to compile mplayer if the prepackaged one didn't drop frames playing x264 files like crazy
[02:43] <peacekpr> installation fails at partitioning ... "failed to create filesystem" ... i opened qtparted and it shows /dev/hda1 as "busy" - is that the issue?
[02:43] <ad> cpk2: ok how to install please if I download the tar.gz ? Is there a tool ? I thought I must convert package to .deb with alien .
[02:43] <Hobbsee> cpk2: you could have picked something smaller than kopete.  it'll take you about an hour to build, give or take.
[02:43] <Hobbsee> !compile
[02:43] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[02:43] <peacekpr> i'm not the biggest know-all when it comes to partitioning
[02:43] <Hobbsee> !compile > ad
[02:43] <declan> Nor am I... it always worked fine for me.
[02:44] <declan> I hope someone here can help peacekpr with his partitioning query
[02:44] <yuma> !compile > yuma
[02:44] <peacekpr> yeah, i'm in a tight spot, and don't know what to do
[02:44] <yuma> cool :)
[02:44] <cpk2> Hobbsee: err why would it take an hour?
[02:45] <peacekpr> i'm loving Kubuntu on the livecd, but it'd be much nicer if i could get it installed to /dev/hda :)
[02:45] <Hobbsee> cpk2: well, that's how long it takes here.  without ccache
[02:45] <ad> Hobbsee: thanks . Why must we use pre-built package first before all ?
[02:45] <declan> You don't have any idea, peacekpr, why /dev/hda1 is busy, do you?
[02:45] <Hobbsee> cpk2: huh?
[02:45] <david> Anyone know how to add LDAP users and groups to be used on the client filesystem for access rights?
[02:45] <peacekpr> unfortunately, no ... i read somewhere that it could be used as swap space, but I'm not sure
[02:45] <Hobbsee> cpk2: as in, why dont we all use the pre-built packages instead?
[02:46] <cpk2> Hobbsee: hrmm well apt-get -b kopete just finished after about 4 minutes but with errors
[02:46] <peacekpr> i did a lazy umount: "umount -l /dev" but that didn't help me
[02:46] <Hobbsee> yeah, well.  a complete build takes around an hour
[02:46] <Hobbsee> cpk2: which are you compiling, anyway?
[02:46] <declan> It's up to you to tell it how you want to use /dev/hda1. I doubt that it is swap space. How big is that partition?
[02:47] <cpk2> Hobbsee: I wanted to test out making your own .deb with apt-get so i did "apt-get build-dep kopete" and then "apt-get source -b kopete"
[02:47] <peacekpr> dev/hda1 is about 41GB
[02:48] <Hobbsee> cpk2: right, so 0.12.2, iirc
[02:48] <cpk2> .3
[02:48] <Hobbsee> cpk2: the one that i last modified :P
[02:48] <declan> Well, swap partitions are more likely to be around twice the size of your ram.
[02:48] <Hobbsee> ahh...okay, i never touched that one
[02:48] <declan> That's your main partition.
[02:48] <cpk2> i would assume
[02:48] <declan> And it's busy right now?
[02:48] <cpk2> the prepackaged one is .3
[02:48] <Hobbsee> cpk2: what repo are you getting it from?  kubuntu.org, i take it
[02:48] <declan> Even though you're using kubuntu from the live disk
[02:48] <Hobbsee> cpk2: unless you're on edgy
[02:49] <cpk2> nah i'm on dapper
[02:49] <peacekpr> declan, yes... apparently
[02:49] <peacekpr> heh
[02:49] <peacekpr> qtparted says it is
[02:50] <cpk2> i guess i should start with something even more simple than kopete?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> cpk2: er, okay then.  which kde?
[02:50] <cpk2> 3.5.5
[02:50] <Hobbsee> cpk2: could be a good idea
[02:50] <Hobbsee> ah, that's why
[02:50] <Hobbsee> well, you can compile it, and it will compile, but once you get past all the build deps, it will take you a while
[02:51] <declan> Well, peacekpr, as I understand it, when you run from the live disk, the hard disk shouldn't even be mounted, never mind busy. So I'm confused.... Can anyone else help the man?
[02:51] <declan> Or woman?
[02:51] <lupine_85> apparently it automounts swap
[02:51] <lupine_85> so sudo swopoff -a
[02:52] <charlie5> does anyone use a netcomm NBS+4 modem/router ... who could help me set up ktorrent port forwarding to allow ktirrent ot work properly ?
[02:52] <peacekpr> yeah, that's what i figure... (man) :)
[02:52] <lupine_85> if that isn't it, then sudo mount -l (that's L) then sudo umount <whatever>
[02:53] <declan> I think lupine_85 meant sudo swapoff -a the first time (not swopoff). Is that right?
[02:53] <lupine_85> erm, yep :_
[02:53] <declan> Tasty?
[02:53] <lupine_85> so-so
[02:53] <lupine_85> stir fry & rice
[02:53] <declan> MMmmm
[02:53] <peacekpr> here goes nothin
[02:54] <declan> Glory and fame will soon be yours!
[02:54] <peacekpr> lupine_85: qtparted now shows it as "available" after the "sudo swapoff -a"
[02:54] <peacekpr> let's see what the installer does :)
[02:54] <declan> Yeh!
[02:57] <cpk2> I am kind of bumme though i thought apt-get -b was supposed to be some super easy way of compiling
[02:58] <declan> I have a question, while we're waiting for peacekpr's results: How can I find out if "ati" is the correct driver for Radeon 7000IGP? It worked fine when I installed Edgy flight (or whatever it's called now) 3 Ubuntu, but now it doesn't work with kubuntu edgy beta. I've all the bouncy effects working fine with Mandriva One, but I prefer the planet kubuntu.
[02:59] <moneyfirst> hi, my laptop with kubuntu 6.06 suddenly stop after a reboot. Then from the onward, the sytem refuse to load the X. is there any clue why? thx
[02:59] <peacekpr> heh... installer is lagging on the keyboard setup step (step 3 of 6) *sigh*
[03:00] <msm_> hi all
[03:00] <declan> Buon giorno!
[03:00] <yuma> moneyfirst: we need more information, but I have a question, could you open a konqueror on a computer with 6.06?
[03:00] <msm_> declan: Ciao, Italiano?
[03:00] <moneyfirst> yuma, sure I can
[03:01] <declan> No, irlandese
[03:01] <yuma> moneyfirst: could you please try http://ju-ni.net/ and tell me if you can read some posts, or if you just can see the header and footer of the page?
[03:01] <lupine_85> !it
[03:01] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:02] <moneyfirst> during the boot, the kubuntu load the usual routine.. restricted driver.. etc.. then when it come to loading X, it shows the same boot loading instead of loading the X
[03:02] <msm_> There is someone that can say me if there is some way to videocall with skype on Linux?
[03:02] <Martijn81> when aptitude thinks a package is not trusted, what does it say?
[03:02] <cpk2> probably that it isnt trusted =P
[03:02] <yuma> moneyfirst: video card?
[03:02] <moneyfirst> yuma, i'm not using Kubuntu right now as you can see I'm not able to boot my Kubuntu
[03:02] <cpk2> i think it says it cant be authenticated
[03:03] <yuma> moneyfirst: that why I asked if you could open a konqueror, hehe
[03:03] <moneyfirst> yuma, don't think so. Everything works fine and suddenly after a usual reboot, it happened
[03:03] <moneyfirst> yuma, oh sorry, I don't get what you mean. hehe
[03:03] <yuma> moneyfirst: did you do an upgrade before the fatal reboot?
[03:03] <Martijn81> right, that was what i was thinking, but i have imported the keys... and koffice i one of those general packages that should be normally trusted, right?
[03:04] <yuma> moneyfirst: sorry about my english, I'm doing my best
[03:04] <moneyfirst> yuma, no. I did fresh install and update the sytem. After few reboots it is just fine
[03:04] <moneyfirst> yuma, same here I'm not an english native speaker
[03:06] <yuma> moneyfirst: it's really strange that it stops working because so, so maybe you configured something wrong or something like that
[03:06] <cpk2> Martijn81: are you using the kubuntu.org repo?
[03:07] <nhoca> hi
[03:07] <yuma> moneyfirst: just before the reboot that broke the X
[03:07] <cpk2> whenever I try apt-get -b package i get the same errors at the end, any tips on using the apt-get -b function?
[03:07] <nhoca> can anyone give a quick help about kate please
[03:07] <Martijn81> cpk2: apt-cache policy koffice says so
[03:07] <moneyfirst> yuma, I remember that I did configure the display power management from KDE. Arghh that must be the cause
[03:07] <cpk2> Martijn81: i think it says that for the kubuntu.org repos =P
[03:07] <moneyfirst> yuma, but then how could I get into the Safe mode. Is there any?
[03:07] <yuma> moneyfirst: that sounds quite good!
[03:08] <cpk2> i think it should be safe using packages from kubuntu.org =)
[03:08] <yuma> moneyfirst: you remember what did you change?
[03:08] <Martijn81> cpk2: yeah, but why do i have those keys then? should be trusted, nothing less
[03:08] <yuma> moneyfirst: paste the logs of the X in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[03:08] <morghanphoenix> any suggestions for a dvd to mpg ripping program?
[03:09] <moneyfirst> yuma, I can't get in. Even to the console. It just stops there. All I can do is shutdown the computer using the power button
[03:09] <morghanphoenix> or at least something to convert my ogg video files to mpg/avi
[03:10] <yuma> moneyfirst: that's so drastic...
[03:10] <yuma> anyone remembers how to specify the init level on grub?
[03:10] <cpk2> Martijn81: huh?
[03:10] <moneyfirst> yuma, that's why I'm asking whether there is safe mode or somethign
[03:10] <msm_> nobody use skype on kubuntu???
[03:10] <yuma> moneyfirst: you can enter in safe mode changing the init level in grub
[03:10] <yuma> moneyfirst: but I don't know how
[03:10] <yuma> msm_: I do
[03:11] <moneyfirst> yuma, thx for the hint, I'll try to figure it out.
[03:11] <msm_> yuma: There is a way to using video ?
[03:11] <yuma> msm_: I don't know
[03:12] <msm_> yuma: I'm going crazy to understand if there is a way
[03:13] <msm_> yuma: I can't find any plugin running on Linux and skype support video from ver 2.0
[03:14] <steveire> Hey, I'm looking to get my creative player supported in amarok. Could amarok in the edgy repos be compiled with the njb plugin?
[03:14] <yuma> msm_: I'm using skype 1.3...
[03:14] <yuma> msm_: maybe there's no version 2 for Linux yet
[03:14] <msm_> yuma: me too. Is the only available for all Linux distro
[03:14] <steveire> yuma: 1.3 is the latest for linux
[03:14] <yuma> msm_: that seems to be the reason you didn't find any plugin
[03:15] <yuma> anyone, anyone of you is using konqueror 3.5.4?
[03:16] <msm_> yuma: there is a plugin that has support for Red Hat. the only one that i've found
[03:16] <yuma> (the first "anyone" is a "by the way", hurray for my english)
[03:16] <yuma> msm_: but for which version?
[03:17] <msm_> yuma: I'm trying to understand it. Anyway I use kubuntu, so...
[03:17] <yuma> msm_: if the plugin is for skype, there's a change you could use it
[03:18] <yuma> msm_: maybe you should do a bit of tweaking before
[03:21] <steveire> yuma: What do you mean? A skype plugin for konqueror?
[03:22] <yuma> steveire: I don't think so!
[03:22] <Payaso> Reaming time for Edgy 106kB/s 41m38s
[03:23] <yuma> steveire: I meant that maybe you could use the plugin for _skype_ made for Red Hat, work on Kubuntu, but the plugin will be for _skype_ always
[03:25] <cpk2> !info libfam.la
[03:25] <ubotu> Package libfam.la does not exist in any distro I know
[03:27] <msm_> yuma: I'm verified it. OpenWengo its not a plugin. It's an Open Project that work as Skype
[03:28] <LjL> WengoPhone is a generic SIP client (with special provisions for working with Wengo accounts, but that's all)
[03:29] <msm_> Right.
[03:29] <LjL> other SIP clients for KDE are KPhone, Twinkle and KCall (this one however is not packaged for Ubuntu)
[03:29] <lupine_85> linphone is better than any of them :(
[03:29] <yuma> msm_: no plugin then
[03:29] <LjL> lupine_85: unfortunately the current KDE SIP clients all leave something to be desired, yes
[03:29] <lupine_85> ekiga is quite good though
[03:29] <msm_> yuma: i think there's nothing to do
[03:29] <lupine_85> of course, Skype doesn't use SIP...
[03:30] <LjL> of course not. which is why i don't recommend using Skype (well, not specifically because it doesn't use SIP, but because it uses its own closed protocol)
[03:30] <lupine_85> mm, SIP or IAX 4eva!
[03:30] <msm_> LjL: Today I discover that! :(
[03:31] <cpk2> has anyone tried to do apt-get -b since upgrading to 3.5.5?
[03:32] <steveire> Will I ever be able to use wengophone or ekiga or whatever to talk to people who use skype?
[03:32] <LjL> steveire: uhm... perhaps there are SIP to Skype gateways. i doubt it though.
[03:32] <yuma> LjL: the thing of using Skype is the same as using MSN Messenger, all your not linux friends use it
[03:33] <LjL> yuma: well, then convince them doing otherwise. there are fine SIP clients for Windows
[03:33] <LjL> at least try
[03:33] <cpk2> sudo dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc gives me an error that libfam.la cant be found and if i try to apt-get install -f libfam0 it wants to install what appears to be everything that got updated when i upgraded to 3.5.5
[03:33] <msm_> LjL: Which SIP clients do you suggest?
[03:33] <cpk2> uninstall stuff from 3.5.5*
[03:34] <msm_> LjL: Sorry about my english..
[03:34] <yuma> LjL: I've tried, but if a friend has to change, all the friends of my frieds have to change, and so on; and that's a task so close to imposible
[03:34] <LjL> msm_: well, the two most well known ones are SJPhone and X-Lite (which has probably changed name recently). they're not open source. also, there's WengoPhone for Windows
[03:34] <yuma> LjL: it was just a comment, nothing so deep :)
[03:35] <Telroth|Sigh`> there's KDX
[03:35] <Telroth|Sigh`> mac os 9/X/linux/windows/bsd
[03:35] <LjL> yuma: it could also become a virtuous circle. i know perfectly well how hard it is to achieve, but
[03:35] <Telroth|Sigh`> does anything skype can and more
[03:36] <LjL> doesn't seem to be a SIP client...?
[03:36] <Telroth|Sigh`> what' is a SIp client?
[03:36] <fildo> !seen flaccid
[03:36] <ubotu> flaccid is on IRC right now!
[03:36] <Telroth|Sigh`> i know what skype is, but i'm unsure of the definition of "SIP"
[03:36] <LjL> Telroth|Sigh`: a client for the SIP protocol. a VoIP phone, in other words -- one using a standard, open and widely used protocol
[03:36] <Telroth|Sigh`> oh.
[03:36] <Telroth|Sigh`> no clue what protocol it uses
[03:37] <LjL> Telroth|Sigh`: SIP and H323 are the most used VoIP protocols. H323 is fading out in favor of SIP right now, i think. any other protocol is usually proprietary and closed -- or, at any rate, not a good idea, since SIP is the one you'd want to use for decent interoperability
[03:38] <LjL> http://www.voipuser.org  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H323
[03:39] <LjL> Ekiga for instance can behave as both a SIP and a H323 client
[03:39] <LjL> the first site i mentioned also lists various (Windows and Linux) SIP client implementations, free and not free
[03:42] <msm_> LjL: I'm surfing about Wengo. It semms that rates for Call Out are better than skype rates
[03:44] <Jonty> Hi. This bug https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/uim/+bug/64111 is affecting me. Does anyone have any suggestions how to get around it, as I can't use apt while it's still there
[03:45] <bogo> does anyone know how to configure the Nvidia driver? it's already working but the screen is glued to the left side of my monitor
[03:45] <thul> Ok, I have downloaded and burned 2 kubuntu cds now, but kubuntu just will not boot. w2k, freebsd and xp boots and installs ok, but kubuntu hangs after the menu where i choose "start or install kubuntu".
[03:45] <thul> can it be sata-related? must sata-settings be in some special way in bios?
[03:50] <LjL> msm_: a few services give better rates than Skype afaik... other ones (though a bit less transparent, since sites change, rates change, and it's basically a network of different sites doing the same thing) are the Betamax services, such as www.voipbuster.com -- which have their proprietary Windows client, but allow SIP access as well
[03:50] <cpk2> whenever i try to do sudo dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc i get an error that it cant find libfam.la but when i try to apt-get libfam-dev it says i have a broken dependency, libfam0, but when i try to apt-get -f it it wants to uninstall all of my kde stuff
[03:50] <chimaera_> hi. i installed the fglrx-driver and now i can't switch to a console using ctrl+alt+F1-6. that is, i can switch, but i only get strange graphics when doing so.
[03:51] <momal> The font under root login or when i use a program with kdesu is all choppy looks really bad... but under normal user its fine :S
[03:55] <thul> don't log graphically in as root
[03:55] <thul> today's lesson:P
[03:57] <dhq> !kio_http
[03:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kio_http - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:57] <gogeta> i got a god one for everyone
[03:58] <gogeta> good
[03:58] <gogeta> frends kubuntu pc is launcing popups at boot
[03:59] <dhq> i get msg when i open  konqror unable to connect to kio_http
[03:59] <msm_> LjL: Thank you LjL. Thanks you to all. I understand more about freedom of comunication
[04:00] <momal> thul: it appears on anything that i use root with... eg adept
[04:00] <dhq> Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_http'.
[04:00] <momal> Any time i click administrator button put in pw it puts font all choppy
[04:02] <chimaera_> anyone experiencing problems after upgrading to edgy/kde3.5.5? the logout-button of kmenu doesn't work anymore..
[04:02] <flavioribeiro> my pc dont recognize automatically the things that i plug in usb.. just when i start x, what can i do to make their works without reboot the start?
[04:02] <|lostbyte|> dhq, i belive kio_http has to do with the internel components of KDE..
[04:03] <thul> momal: opk
[04:03] <dhq> |lostbyte|: lolz upgrading to edgy
[04:03] <dhq> |lostbyte|: guess i will reboot and lets seee
[04:04] <|lostbyte|> dhq, Stuff, are being replace, so let it download and set it up..
[04:04] <|lostbyte|> yeah, so that.
[04:04] <|lostbyte|> do*
[04:04] <dhq> |lostbyte|: all the upgrade is almost over i guess i will have to reboot
[04:05] <|lostbyte|> yes..
[04:07] <gogeta> anyone
[04:08] <gogeta> konqueror is opning shit at boot ads on my frends pc
[04:08] <gogeta> i didnt think that was possable on a linux system
[04:12] <thul> does kubuntu have known problems with sata-disks?
[04:12] <yarddog> !language
[04:12] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:15] <cpk2> thul: whats your problem?
[04:15] <cpk2> I am using a sata drive right now
[04:16] <thul> cpk2: well, it won't boot, at all. It boots from cd, comes to the menu where I choose "start or install kubuntu"
[04:16] <thul> and that is about it
[04:17] <thul> i get a loading screen with: "loading essential drivers - ok"
[04:17] <thul> and then it stops.
[04:17] <cpk2> thul: well I had trouble having the installer recognizing my sata drive
[04:17] <thul> hmm, ok, what did you do?
[04:17] <cpk2> I installed to an ide drive and then formatted and then partitioned the sata
[04:17] <cpk2> using command line
[04:18] <thul> hmm
[04:18] <thul> well, i CAN boot from my external disk
[04:18] <thul> or, my bios supports that
[04:18] <thul> do you think ubuntu will install on the external disk?
[04:18] <cpk2> i think its the gui partitioner that doesnt like satas
[04:18] <thul> hmm, ok
[04:19] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. its possible its your sata driver/chipset/controller
[04:19] <cpk2> thul: my laptop doesnt have an internal drive and runs kubuntu off an external only
[04:19] <thul> ah, ok
[04:19] <Dr_willis> Im using sata also.
[04:19] <thul> I'll try to install it on my external drive when i come home then
[04:19] <cpk2> thul: but i dont know if installing to the external will fix your problem
[04:19] <cpk2> I was able install to the ide because thats where i wanted / to be at
[04:20] <cpk2> and /home is solely on the sata
[04:20] <thul> hmm, ok
[04:20] <thul> maybe i should just install kubuntu on the external
[04:20] <thul> and run it off it?
[04:20] <thul> no speed-problems?
[04:21] <cpk2> i dunno about that, plus it loses its flexibility when its ext3 because windows has problems reading ext3
[04:21] <thul> true that..
[04:21] <thul> arrgh
[04:21] <thul> oh world, why art thou so evul.
[04:22] <cpk2> hrmm if I make my own .deb package and install it apt-get wants to "upgrade" it right away
[04:22] <thul> is there any "expert mode" i can do kubuntu in? install manually?
[04:22] <dennister> good morning all
[04:22] <cpk2> thul: you can get the alternate cd, that doesnt have any live functionality and is all command line install
[04:22] <mangor_> alternative install cd thul
[04:23] <thul> ah, ok
[04:24] <kynek> witam
[04:24] <thul> I guess I'll have to get someone to burn that for me then
[04:24] <dnt_> hallo
[04:24] <thul> thanks.
[04:24] <kynek> jest jakis polak?
[04:24] <dennister> I'm wondering if I shouldn't start from scratch... clean reinstall of ubuntu-lamp-server, then ubuntu-desktop, then kde...
[04:24] <dennister> but it's a lot of work
[04:24] <Timo12378> Its ok you can do it =p
[04:25] <dnt_> any one to help about bridging network cards
[04:25] <dnt_> i have just installed kububtu
[04:25] <momal> any ideas how to use super(windows key) with beryl? doesn't seem to work for me.. im running kde
[04:25] <|Mikael|> hi together; i am trying to config my wlan. I have a wlan pci card (marvel). When i modprobe ndiswrapper the whole WindowManager freezes (kde)
[04:25] <dennister> my partimage backup didn't restore properly :(
[04:25] <momal> bleh my bad wrong chan
[04:26] <|Mikael|> any way to make my wlan work?
[04:26] <mangor_> witch marvel?
[04:26] <|Mikael|> mangor_: just a moment
[04:27] <|Mikael|> mangor_:  Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas]  802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03)
[04:27] <mangor_> wait a moment
[04:27] <|Mikael|> :)
[04:27] <livingdaylight> I believe i setup my printer, but...
[04:27] <|Mikael|> mangor_: btw, i am new to kubuntu
[04:28] <livingdaylight> when i tried to print from Open Office, it couldn't and when i went to properties it crashed and told me there was signal 11
[04:28] <dnt_> Mikael may you help
[04:28] <steveire> what's the command to get the source of a package from apt?
[04:28] <cpk2> steveire: apt-get source packagename
[04:28] <livingdaylight> Printing was never an issue for me in Ubuntu, but seems to be in Kubuntu which is two days old on my pc
[04:28] <mangor_> looks like you need ndiswrapper
[04:28] <|Mikael|> mangor_: :)
[04:29] <|Mikael|> mangor_: it freezes when i use modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:29] <cpk2> steveire: you dont need to be root and it will download the source to the current directory
[04:29] <|Mikael|> mangor_: sometimes it says also "segmentation fault" and freezes too
[04:29] <livingdaylight> anyone know about printing in Kubuntu?
[04:29] <mangor_> whoops tricky
[04:29] <livingdaylight> Are there any specific tips i should know about?
[04:29] <cpk2> !print
[04:30] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[04:30] <livingdaylight> In Ubuntu setting my printer up was as easey and straightforward as 1,2,3. Why would it be different in Kubuntu?
[04:30] <|Mikael|> dnt_: what do u mean
[04:30] <livingdaylight> cpk2: i have it set to cups. And the test page printed beautifully, but it just doens' tappear to work in any other apps
[04:30] <cpk2> livingdaylight: you probably need to configure koffice to use cups correctly?
[04:31] <mangor_> there is a german installatin guide for this card with suse10 i  found nothing for kubuntu (yet)
[04:31] <livingdaylight> I tried to print a pdf file from Adobe and now from Open Office aswell and its no-go
[04:31] <livingdaylight> cpk2: you lazy bum... :)
[04:31] <|Mikael|> mangor_: url? (for suse)
[04:32] <mangor_> http://de.linwiki.org/index.php/Netgear_WG311v3
[04:32] <livingdaylight> cpk2: i don't have koffice - using Adobe and Open Office. How would they need to be configured exactly?
[04:32] <|Mikael|> mangor_: will look through it; thx anyway
[04:32] <livingdaylight> cpk2: i don't recall needing to configure anything in Ubuntu to get apps to print other than the printer itself, which was a matter of just setting it up
[04:34] <cpk2> livingdaylight: file > printer settings make sure it is using the printers name
[04:34] <cpk2> in open office
[04:34] <livingdaylight> I've got an EpsonStylus RX425 which appears to be supported and as i say configured straight off in Ubunt. I'm disappointed that it doesn't work in Kubuntu
[04:36] <LjL> livingdaylight: elaborate on "doesn't work"
[04:36] <cpk2> remember when you were a kid and your parents wouldnt get mad at you they would get "dissapointed" think about how you are making kubuntu feel now =(
[04:36] <livingdaylight> LjL: ok, i got sgs signal 11
[04:37] <livingdaylight> LjL: i set the printer up using the wizard for want of another word, did a test page which came out beautiful
[04:37] <livingdaylight> LjL: but neither Adobe nor Open Office could print.
[04:37] <LjL> "druids", they're usually called in linuxland. just call them whatever you like anyway, they don't even deserve a name ;)
[04:38] <LjL> livingdaylight: what about actual KDE apps? dunno, Kate... KWord, if you have it?
[04:38] <livingdaylight> LjL: Open Office i went to File/print right-clicked to go to properties and it crashed!
 LjL: but neither Adobe nor Open Office could print.
[04:38] <cpk2> livingdaylight: you go to file > printer settings and made sure it was using the correct printer name?
[04:38] <LjL> livingdaylight: neither is a KDE application
[04:38] <PiR> Is it possible, a pannel is transparent and not the other in KDE ?
[04:39] <livingdaylight> LjL: your point?
[04:39] <LjL> livingdaylight: no point. i just asked if you can get a page printed *in a KDE application* such as Kate, KWord, KPDF, KWhatever. it was a troubleshooting question.
[04:39] <Hawkwind> It won't matter if it's a KDE app or not.  If it doesn't print, it doesn't print
[04:40] <LjL> Hawkwind: well apparently the test page did print though.
[04:40] <livingdaylight> LjL: ok, i didn't understand
[04:40] <Hawkwind> I've had the very same problem in other distros.  The test page will print, but nothing else.  I never could figure it out
[04:40] <psb154> livingdaylight: which version of kde? there are some cups bugs with 3.5.5
[04:41] <livingdaylight> psb154: sorry, i dunno :s
[04:41] <moneyfirst> hi, does anybody know which file is the configuration file for display power management?
[04:41] <LjL> Hawkwind: in my last Kubuntu (well, Kubuntu with also Gnome added) installation, the printer wouldn't work in KDE (no error, no anything, just no print). i tried it in Gnome, and in printed. then again in KDE, and it printed.
[04:41] <livingdaylight> LjL: hey, kate is printing... so that narrows things down?
[04:41] <psb154> cups related
[04:41] <cpk2> actually my room mate seems to be hit and miss with printing depending on which app he tries to print from
[04:42] <livingdaylight> In Ubuntu the same printer worked fine with Open Office and anything else i can recall
[04:42] <LjL> livingdaylight: i suppose so, though i personally still cannot pin it down to something specific. care to try from OpenOffice again? (i know, i know, but read what I told Hawkwind just above, to see why i'm saying this)
[04:42] <Hawkwind> LjL: Very odd indeed
[04:43] <livingdaylight> LjL: that is ODD! but i'm happy to try again :)
[04:43] <Payaso> hi jpatrick
[04:43] <jpatrick> hi Payaso
[04:43] <LjL> Hawkwind: ah, wait, that was Edgy admittedly, didn't specify... though it's no less odd even so
[04:43] <josh_> omg
[04:43] <josh_> i was just about to install f.e.a.r. but the stupidest thing ever happened!
[04:44] <josh_> the cd key was fine all the way through
[04:44] <josh_> except teh first 4 digits
[04:44] <Payaso> jpatrick: hi clown there :)
[04:44] <chimaera_> but you were till running linux?
[04:44] <cpk2> to test out making my own debs with apt-get i did it with adept (something simple and fairly quick) but after I did dpkg -i with it apt-get wants to upgrade the adept I just compiled and installed
[04:44] <chimaera_> still
[04:44] <josh_> the first 4 digits dont fit in the box
[04:44] <josh_> yeah i'm in linux
[04:44] <josh_> all the other ones do
[04:44] <josh_> but since its RUR7
[04:44] <cpk2> is this because the source is actually outdated? or apt-get being dumb?
[04:45] <josh_> it wont fit
[04:45] <momal> Hawkwind: you might beable to help me.. for some reason anything run under root (eg logining into kde under root or using adept) the fonts look really bad... but under everything of this user account or another user is fine :S
[04:45] <livingdaylight> LjL: OpenOffice is now Printing!!!
[04:45] <Hawkwind> momal: You should *never* log into X, KDE, or anything of that nature as root user, NEVER
[04:45] <josh_> is there any way to let this happen
[04:45] <cpk2> josh_: fear has a linux client?
[04:45] <LjL> livingdaylight: well, i shouldn't be saying "case closed", because it's as odd as it can get, but if it were my computer, knowing how this sort of things go, i would just say "case closed"... at least until it stops printing again ;)
[04:46] <josh_> if i put RLR7 or something it fits
[04:46] <josh_> no im using wine
[04:46] <momal> Hawkwind: It was doing it before I loged in as it lol
[04:46] <josh_> does that make any sence?
[04:46] <momal> Hawkwind: I needed to see if it was all of the root user or just when running kdesu / sudo
[04:46] <livingdaylight> LjL: hahaha...a case of, if it doesn't work, try, and try, try again ;)
[04:46] <cpk2> josh_: did you look at the game db at winehq?
[04:46] <josh_> RIR7 or RLR7 works but RUR7 wont
[04:46] <josh_> cuz the U is too wide
[04:47] <LjL> livingdaylight: why unfortunately is also the hardest sort of bug to pin down :\
[04:47] <josh_> that is the most stupid thing i've ever seen
[04:47] <LjL> not as bad as heisenbugs, but still :)
[04:47] <LjL> livingdaylight: s/why/which/
[04:48] <cpk2> so no one on why apt-get wants to reinstall over .debs you made using apt-get?
[04:49] <LjL> cpk2: what's the version your own binary .deb sports, and what's the one of the repository's binary .deb?
[04:50] <mangor_>  have someone an idea how to configure a ISDN Card wiht kubuntu
[04:51] <cpk2> well i was about to ask if apt-cache search will show versions
[04:52] <LjL> cpk2: apt-cache show will do
[04:52] <nuku> cpk2: apt-cache policy ...
[04:53] <chimaera_> anyone experiencing problems after upgrading to edgy/kde3.5.5? the logout-button of kmenu doesn't work anymore..
[04:54] <LjL> chimaera_: works for me. anyway you should ask about Edgy in #ubuntu+1
[04:54] <Hawkwind> chimaera_: I haven't heard anything really, but you might ask in #Ubuntu+1 since that's the Edgy channel
[04:54] <chimaera_> thanks, i'll join the discussion there.
[04:55] <cpk2> it says i have 2.0 installed and the candidate is 2.0...
[04:55] <LjL> cpk2: just 2.0? not 2.0-something? anyway, what package is that, and are you on dapper?
[04:55] <cpk2> Installed: 2.0ubuntu2
[04:55] <cpk2>   Candidate: 2.0ubuntu2
[04:55] <cpk2> its adept and i am on dapper
[04:56] <LjL> cpk2: well, i'm on edgy and the version is different... but i'll try recompiling and seeing. what you did is "apt-get build-dep adept; apt-get -b source adept" i suppose?
[04:57] <cpk2> LjL: yes and then i did dpkg -i on the .deb it gave me
[04:58] <Ropechoborra> Hi =)
[04:58] <Ropechoborra> How do i set Firefox to be my default browser instead of Konqueror?
[05:00] <Crissi> hi
[05:01] <Crissi> there are news abound the non working media mount on dapper?
[05:01] <m4x1mum> there is a kubuntu for i586??
[05:01] <Crissi> use 386
[05:01] <Hawkwind> m4x1mum: i386 will work on i586
[05:01] <m4x1mum> but the distro for i586 exist?
[05:02] <LjL> no, there is 386 and 686. oh and, i believe Edgy will not have 386
[05:03] <ubuntu_> [BusyBox]  can't access tty: job control turned off
[05:03] <m4x1mum> ooh, i found a torrent that have kubuntu i586 DVD
[05:03] <momal> If edgy doesn't have 386 then what about amd processors? will it have K8 ? or will the 686 ones work fine
[05:03] <ubuntu_> |lostbyte|: i get error [BusyBox]  can't access tty: job control turned off
[05:03] <m4x1mum> maybe its a typo
[05:04] <Hawkwind> momal: It'll work fine, just like always
[05:04] <Hawkwind> Everyone reads too much into a name tag of i386, i586, i686 and so on.  It wouldn't be popular and be used by millions if it didn't work on all arches
[05:04] <m4x1mum> and how many Mb is kde? i want to update them,
[05:05] <ubuntu_> Hawkwind: do you have any idea of the problem i facw
[05:05] <ubuntu_> face
[05:05] <Hawkwind> m4x1mum: KDE is quite large.  Just update it but be warned if you're on Dapper, KDE 3.5.5 still has quite a few issues
[05:05] <Hawkwind> ubuntu_: Nope, sorry
[05:06] <ubuntu_> when i load kubuntu i get the error
[05:06] <m4x1mum> ooh nevermind then
[05:06] <m4x1mum> im still on kubuntu 6
[05:06] <momal> and if you kopete breaks good luck getting it to work again without formatting and reinstalling everything :p
[05:06] <momal> lol... I had to >_<
[05:06] <m4x1mum> my screen saver still doesn't work :(
[05:07] <m4x1mum> my monitor is so gonna have a short life
[05:07] <cpk2> LjL: i just finished making a kopete.deb and that i *know* is the .3 version and as soon as i installed it with dpkg apt-get wants to upgrade kopete
[05:07] <Hawkwind> momal: No you didn't.  You could easily have reverted back to an older version of KDE
[05:08] <momal> I only would have had to have gone back to kopete 0.11.3... but I think something else was messing with it.. but now my box is fresh install fully updated and everything back how I ike :)
[05:08] <Hawkwind> The revert takes about 10 minutes, tops
[05:09] <Hawkwind> I did it when I upgraded to 3.5.4 and had issues with konqueror running outside of KDE.  Worked like a charm
[05:09] <momal> ..... but I think it was something else causing it because buttons starting dispearing when i used xgl lol.. and now they dont :p
[05:10] <cpk2> 3.5.5 seems to be working fine unless this thing with adept not liking the .debs i build *using adept* has something to do with it
[05:10] <m4x1mum> is sourceforge working now?
[05:11] <linuxkid2> hey, how do I share a printer with Samba so it's "Annonymous", no username and password?
[05:11] <m4x1mum> or maybe its my internet connection :(
[05:13] <james> slt ya des francais dan la conversation
[05:14] <Jucato> !fr
[05:14] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:14] <james> ya kelkun
[05:17] <linuxkid2> hello?
[05:19] <milan> hi, im trying to install compiz on kubuntu
[05:19] <milan> but it won't work
[05:19] <milan> when i start the session xgl, it returns to the boot screen
[05:19] <milan> with the kubuntu logo, and then it does totally nothing
[05:19] <linuxkid2> x crashed
[05:19] <linuxkid2> when you see that, CTRL+ALT+F1
[05:20] <milan> ok...
[05:20] <cpk2> LjL: I am going to sleep soon, but if you get an answer for me I would be very happy to hear it =)
[05:20] <milan> and then it works?
[05:20] <linuxkid2> that gives you the console and youcan fix things
[05:20] <milan> i can also reboot... or are you talking to cpk2?
[05:20] <linuxkid2> milan
[05:21] <milan> ok
[05:21] <milan> when im in the console
[05:21] <milan> what do i have to do?
[05:21] <linuxkid2> milan" try to fix your XGL configs so that it works.
[05:21] <LjL> cpk2: adept is still compiling, and i have to go out soon too... not sure it'll finish in time
[05:21] <milan> i think xgl is working fine...
[05:22] <linuxkid2> why?
[05:22] <milan> because i can log in to the default session
[05:22] <milan> but not to xgl session
[05:22] <milan> so im now in KDE
[05:22] <cpk2> LjL: ok, i guess I will just bug more people about it later then =P
[05:23] <milan> the problem is that it seems i have to select the xgl session to use compiz
[05:23] <LjL> cpk2: what i would do if i couldn't find the actual problem, anyway (i.e. a hack), would be to open the binary .deb manually, change the version to something higher, and install that
[05:23] <linuxkid2> milan: hmm, I guess when you start the system it starts regular X, and not XGL, so it's still XGL.
[05:23] <LjL> cpk2: a .deb is an "ar" archive containing two tarballs
[05:23] <milan> ah..
[05:23] <milan> can you tell me how to fix XGL?
[05:23] <milan> or check if it is working?
[05:23] <linuxkid2> that, I can't, as I don't have a computer that can handle it.
[05:24] <linuxkid2> so I've never used it.
[05:24] <milan> ah
[05:24] <milan> maybe my computer cant handle it too?
[05:24] <linuxkid2> Not neccessarily. I only have a PIII and TNT2 video, so that's why I don't try
[05:25] <milan> ok
[05:25] <linuxkid2> milan: maybe it's drivers. I really don't know.
[05:25] <milan> athlon 3000 with radeon 9800pro... think that should work
[05:25] <linuxkid2> did you install the ATI driver?
[05:25] <milan> yes
[05:25] <livingdaylight> WoaH!!! #kubuntu from Kopete land!
[05:25] <milan> but not the drivers from ati
[05:26] <linuxkid2> well, your beyond myhelp nw, keep asking.
[05:26] <milan> xgrlx driver or something like it
[05:26] <LjL> cpk2: http://groups.google.com/group/muc.lists.debian.user/browse_thread/thread/2e917760390fa4c8/005fb7837e629751?lnk=st&q=%22apt-get+-b+source%22+package+upgraded&rnum=1#005fb7837e629751
[05:26] <milan> fglrx
[05:27] <milan> thats the driver i installed
[05:27] <linuxkid2> I don't know anything about ATI, milan, I've got an nvidia card instead.
[05:27] <milan> ok
[05:27] <milan> thanks for your help
[05:28] <KDEfanboy> milan: #ubuntu-xgl
[05:28] <milan> KDEfanboy: can they also give me information about xgl on kubuntu
[05:28] <milan> because it seems to be different on KDE
[05:29] <KDEfanboy> yep
[05:29] <milan> ok :)
[05:31] <ubuntu> edgy failed when it boots before it reaches the loading of modules it says busty box v1.1.3 ./bin/sh cant access tty job controll turned off
[05:31] <Martijn81> can anyone tell me why aptitude keeps jelling me that "kword-data koshell kivio-data koffice kthesaurus kpresenter kformula kugar kword kchart karbon kspread kivio kexi kpresenter-data" can not be trusted?
[05:31] <ubuntu> please some one help me
[05:32] <|lostbyte|> busty box.. lol
[05:35] <|lostbyte|> !+one
[05:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about one - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:35] <|lostbyte|> !+1
[05:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 1 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:35] <linuxkid2> I get a "Segmentation Fault" error when trying to connect to a Windows SMB server.
[05:36] <|lostbyte|> linuxbomb, you connect using ?
[05:37] <linuxkid2> Hello, anybody there? I can't connect to windows computers with smb.
[05:37] <livingdaylight> and that is  a good thing?
[05:37] <KDEfanboy> !patience
[05:37] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:38] <|lostbyte|> lol :)
[05:38] <linuxkid2> sorry, everyone else seemeb wrapped up in other problems or something.
[05:38] <linuxkid2> wait, answered that for myself.
[05:39] <|lostbyte|> linuxbomb, You connect using ?
[05:39] <|lostbyte|> linuxkid2, ^^
[05:40] <linuxkid2> so,why can't smb connect to some computers?
[05:41] <|lostbyte|> linuxkid2, You connect using ?
[05:41] <linuxkid2> jlostbyte: smb:/ in konqueror, smbclient. neither work.
[05:42] <|lostbyte|> linuxkid2, try using an ip instead of a host, and try calling the dir /folder directly..
[05:43] <linuxkid2> that worked.?
[05:44] <linuxkid2> brb
[05:44] <|lostbyte|> !blog
[05:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blog - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:45] <Jucato> ?
[05:45] <Jucato> !botabuse
[05:45] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops
[05:47] <momal> lolL!
[05:47] <|lostbyte|> : - o
[05:47] <jpatrick> hi Jucato
[05:47] <|lostbyte|> :D
[05:48] <n8k99> does anyone in here have a mac ppc?
[05:49] <n8k99> a powerbook or ibook, and have you tried to use a projector with it?
[05:49] <Jucato> oh jpatrick! hi! :)
[05:50] <Jucato> jpatrick: you've been gone for a very, very long time
[05:50] <larson9999> n8k99, i have a ppc but i haven't booted it up in a long time
[05:50] <jpatrick> Jucato: problems, problems, and more
[05:50] <dude> what is the command to create a shortcut in desktop
[05:50] <Jucato> jpatrick: aw... :(
[05:51] <Jucato> jpatrick: and while you were gone, I slowly crawled over and parked at -devel :p
[05:51] <jpatrick> Jucato: ha :)
[05:52] <n8k99> larson9999: so i guess you haven't used it with a projector under kubuntu?
[05:54] <dude> what is the command to create a shortcut in desktop
[05:54] <larson9999>  n8k99 nope.
[05:55] <Jucato> dude: right-click on the desktop
[05:55] <n8k99> larson9999:ok thanks, - have a presentation next month and am trying to solve this before it is a problem
[05:59] <Staren> Hi, I'm a windows user but I'd like to learn to use linux. SO I'm thinking of making a dual-boot machine.
[05:59] <francois> if I have a p4, should i be running the 386 or the 686 kernel ?
[05:59] <Staren> Linux can't write to NTFS partitions though, right?
[06:00] <momal> Staren: It can but its not 100% perfect yet and isn't recommended
[06:00] <Payaso> Staren: linux can write to ntfs partitions, the best way now is use ntfs-3g driver from the linux-ntfs projects
[06:00] <LastMall> francois  I'd think the 686
[06:02] <ubuntu_> hola buenas tardes
[06:02] <KDEfanboy> !es
[06:02] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:02] <akn> Hi, my PC is running very slow sine I istalled Kubuntu. How can I fix it?
[06:03] <Staren> So what's the reccomendation? See, I've got a new 100GB drive, and I'm going to copy my current 20GP NTFS partition over to it... Should I make it Fat32? Or, how much room should I leave for Kubuntu?
[06:05] <francois> how do I keep the 686 kernel but install the nvidia legacy drivers ? its asking for the 386 image
[06:06] <momal> staren: ext3 is good filesystem to use... as for size depends how much you want use give at least 5-10gb for kubuntu+installing apps then how ever much extra you think you might use :)
[06:06] <josh_> why cant i get guild wars running
[06:06] <josh_> it crashes x server
[06:08] <Staren> Well... if writing to NTFS isn't perfect, how dangerous would it be to get a linux version of, say. Quake 3 and let it download new maps when I connect to a server using a map I don't have?
[06:08] <Hawkwind> Staren: Unfortunately, your first adventure in partitioning a drive won't be the best.  You'll find ways later to better suit your needs.  It's one of those things that noone else can really tell you how to do it best for you.  You do it, see how it works, then change it later as you think of a better way it can be done to suit  your needs.
[06:08] <francois> partitionmagic
[06:08] <Hawkwind> Staren: IIRC you can run quake 3 natively in linux
[06:08] <Staren> I've partitioned drives before, just not for two operating systems.
[06:09] <momal> yea copy quake 3 over onto a linux partition and run it :)
[06:09] <Hawkwind> Staren: Best to just do it how you think will be best.  You'll end up changing it later, guaranteed
[06:09] <Staren> Yes, but I've got a years-old Windows installation with all the mapfiles it's downloaded. So I'd have to have 2 copies of all my games?
[06:09] <OOD> ntfs writing is pretty safe with ntfs-3g
[06:10] <rich_> hi
[06:10] <yeti> are there any problems with updating to kde3.5.5? what cool new features does it have ;) ?
[06:11] <rich_> no i have a problem downloading stuff
[06:11] <MenZa> yeti: http://kde.org
[06:11] <MenZa> Should be a changelog somewhere.
[06:12] <OOD> not much change, just the usual bugfixes and khtml improvements
[06:12] <thunderstorm> hi@all
[06:12] <MenZa> Why, hullo thar!
[06:12] <yeti> OOD, good enough for me :) thanks
[06:12] <thunderstorm> i'm a guy from germany - i need your help
[06:12] <rich_> i have a problem downloading things
[06:13] <rich_> i have a problem downloading things
[06:13] <rich_> hi
[06:13] <francois> how do I keep the 686 kernel but install the nvidia legacy drivers ? its asking for the 386 image????
[06:13] <thami> Hi
[06:13] <thunderstorm> i have a notebook from sony, typ vaio pcg-fr415b with a ati radeon igp 345 m graphic-chip
[06:13] <rich_> i have a problem downloading things
[06:14] <Timo90> What kind of things
[06:14] <pandamonium> greetings all, I keep getting applications closing on me and wondered if anyone can help me make sense of the xsession-errors logs?
[06:14] <thunderstorm> the 3d-mode, e.g. "glxgears" is very slow - i cannot find a solution for it
[06:14] <Timo90> Are you using 64 bit
[06:14] <rich_> music any thing
[06:14] <rich_> what is a 64 bit
[06:15] <Timo90> dont worry about it
[06:15] <Timo90> Could you tell me more about this,are you yusing firefox to download
[06:15] <rich_> i hate my computer
[06:15] <thunderstorm> can somewhere help me, too?
[06:15] <pandamonium> rich_, i'll have it :p
[06:16] <lupine_85> !ati
[06:16] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:16] <lupine_85> thunderstorm: do that
[06:16] <rich_> yes i am using fire fox
[06:16] <DaSkreech> !seen sexie
[06:16] <ubotu> I last saw sexie (i=laalchee@221.134.48.10) 18h 7m 18s ago, quiting: "gotta sleep."
[06:17] <thunderstorm> lupine_85: i'm looking for it
[06:17] <Timo90> What does firefox say,when you try to save a file
[06:17] <rich_> it doesent
[06:17] <hazard2> Darnit, I need a faster drive.
[06:18] <rich_> when its done it says it cant open
[06:18] <hazard2> This old 4gb Ultra 33 is...so..slow it seems
[06:18] <Timo90> Do you know were the file is saved to,rich
[06:19] <stefg_vm> !codecs
[06:19] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:19] <rich_> yes me desktop
[06:19] <Timo90> Try opening the file from there tell me what happends and what kind off file it is.
[06:20] <DaSkreech> How does it do that?
[06:20] <josh_> omg of course
[06:20] <josh_> its ide 33
[06:20] <DaSkreech> I have no DNS yet I can get on IRC
[06:20] <josh_> thats like the first ever
[06:20] <rich_> chat with me in privat
[06:20] <akn> I just installed Kubuntu and sometime my PC becomes very slow, does any one know what can I do?
[06:21] <CVirus> DaSkreech: maybe your client is caching your DNS's
[06:21] <DaSkreech> akn: Run less processes?
[06:21] <DaSkreech> CVirus: And not google.com ?
[06:21] <CVirus> huh ?
[06:22] <DaSkreech> I'm >,.,< that far away from a google adminstrator's useage of Google and that isn't cached?
[06:22] <rich_> Unhandled MIME type: 'application/x-ms-dos-executable'
[06:22] <hazard2> is it possible to bind commands to the windows key in konqueror?
[06:23] <DaSkreech> hazard2: Yes
[06:23] <rich_> that is what it says
[06:23] <rich_> Unhandled MIME type: 'application/x-ms-dos-executable'
[06:23] <DaSkreech> It's called the super key
[06:23] <lupine_85> rich_: associate it with wine
[06:23] <hazard2> It should be called the "special" key.
[06:23] <akn> Daskreech: sometime gets very slow with just Kontact and Konqueror
[06:23] <steveire> If I do kate & I can still use the command line in konsole. What if I only did kate and now want to use that shell again without closing kate?
[06:23] <rich_> Timo 90
[06:23] <DaSkreech> Kontact is huge. Ummm I guess KOnqueror might be loading up some huge file or somethig
[06:23] <steveire> I remember reading it in linuxcommand, but that site is down.
[06:23] <rich_> Timo 90
[06:23] <DaSkreech> akn: While browsing the local filesystem?
[06:23] <rich_> Timo 90
[06:24] <rich_> Unhandled MIME type: 'application/x-ms-dos-executable'
[06:24] <rich_> Unhandled MIME type: 'application/x-ms-dos-executable'
[06:24] <rich_> Unhandled MIME type: 'application/x-ms-dos-executable'
[06:24] <rich_> Unhandled MIME type: 'application/x-ms-dos-executable'
[06:24] <LoRez> Warning: `rich_' seems to be spamming, please discontinue or kicks/kills/klines will be issued.
[06:24] <Timo90> yess yess, what is the file,
[06:25] <rich_> google talk
[06:25] <akn> Daskreech: doing anythig, but not all the time. Just sometimes.
[06:25] <DaSkreech> akn: Might want to run top or system guard
[06:26] <Timo90> did you donload the linux one,not a windows application =p
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Timo90: The Linux GTalk?
[06:27] <hazard2> a pentium III is a 686 yes?
[06:27] <rich_> o that is the problem
[06:27] <DaSkreech> No A a586
[06:27] <hazard2> really?
[06:27] <hazard2> Hrm....
[06:27] <Payaso> hi from kubuntu edgy :)
[06:27] <akn> daskreech: yes, I do. do you need any information about my Systemguard?
[06:28] <Timo90> That type of windows software dosnt work on linux ;)
[06:28] <DaSkreech> akn: What's taking up the most Memory?
[06:28] <DaSkreech> Payaso: Welcome :)
[06:28] <Martijn81> DaSkreech: if you run a modem+router, and your /etc/resolv.conf file point to your router, i think you might have been using the router internal dns cache
[06:28] <hazard2> the package list indicates that the PIII uses the 686 kernel
[06:28] <DaSkreech> Martijn81: Well it just rebooted does that help ? :)
[06:29] <rich_> thanks
[06:29] <rich_> bie
[06:29] <Timo90> bye
[06:29] <Martijn81> dunno really how they run inside
[06:29] <Timo90> Good luck
[06:29] <akn> DaSkreech: Vm = Kopete
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Hmm OK now I can ping by name but not browse
[06:30] <DaSkreech> akn: Seriously? how much % is it using?
[06:30] <Martijn81> DaSkreech: personally i use my ISP's nameservers directly, because my router makes a mess of it
[06:31] <DaSkreech> Martijn81: Me too It was erased from my resolv.conf though not sure why
[06:31] <akn> DaSkreech: wich row do I have to see? "User", "System", "Vm"?
[06:31] <DaSkreech> System or user I think
[06:31] <DaSkreech>  I normally just look at one that jumps out at me
[06:32] <DaSkreech> If something is using excessive Vm that would definirtly affect your system btw
[06:32] <_Shade_> i get this error when i am trying to launch an opengl application
[06:32] <_Shade_> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:32] <_Shade_> Unhandled exception: Couldn't get double-buffered visual
[06:33] <_Shade_> what can i do about that?
[06:33] <akn> DaSkreech: "User" = ksysguard 13%, Xorg 4%
[06:33] <DaSkreech> ok
[06:34] <akn> DaSkreech: "system" i running with low levels
[06:35] <akn> DaSkreech:  Kopete Vm = 121300
[06:35] <_Shade_> could anyone solve my problem?
[06:36] <DaSkreech> I think you need a package :-( Not sure thuogh just started playing with OPenGL myself
[06:36] <DaSkreech> _Shade_: Ask in #ubuntu-xgl as well :-)
[06:36] <DaSkreech> they are all up on the lingo ;-)
[06:36] <DaSkreech> akn: I think that's a reasonable amount
[06:37] <akn> DaSkreech: so, I should don`t have problems?
[06:37] <DaSkreech> akn: how  bad is the slow down?
[06:38] <akn> for ex. when I change from Kmail to Kontact I have to wait 6 to 8 seconds
[06:38] <akn> DaSkreech: for ex. when I change from Kmail to Kontact I have to wait 6 to 8 seconds
[06:39] <DaSkreech> akn: Again Kontact is a large app. If it's mostly in VM then it is going to take a littel while to swap it out to memory
[06:39] <DaSkreech> akn: Same issue with OpenOffice
[06:39] <lupine_85> buy more RAM ;)
[06:39] <DaSkreech> I'm not so sure about why konqueror is doing that as well
[06:40] <DaSkreech> Well Xorg is using 4% of his RAM whereas it's using like 35% of mine :)
[06:41] <DaSkreech> Ok How do I clear a single file from kaffiene's playlist?
[06:41] <akn> DaSkreech: Ok but is too slow. With Mandrake was faster
[06:42] <DaSkreech> akn: Hmm I guess you can kill services you don't need
[06:42] <DaSkreech>  It comes with things like Bluetooth on by default
[06:43] <oworty> hola
[06:43] <oworty> hello
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Hello
[06:44] <oworty> somebody to talk?
[06:44] <oworty> hello
[06:44] <DaSkreech> oworty: This is a support channel if you just want to chat try #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:44] <oworty> ok thanks
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Omg Kaffiene is a terrible media player
[06:45] <akn> DaSkreech: for ex. Is very slow to change from one email to other email un Kmail. Takes 4 second to show de next email.
[06:46] <DaSkreech> Do you get a lot of attachements?
[06:46] <lupine_85> Kaffeine is OK...
[06:46] <lupine_85> superior playlist management to Mplayer
[06:46] <DaSkreech> lupine_85: how do I remove a single item from a playlist?
[06:46] <OOD> it plays a lot of media once you get the win32 codevs
[06:46] <lupine_85> click it and press the del key?
[06:46] <DaSkreech> It asks me to delete the actual file
[06:47] <lupine_85> doesn't here
[06:47] <lupine_85> are  you sure you're in kaffeine, and not konqueror?
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :-)
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Well it just dumped the entier playlist :-(
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Man Why don't media players have like a two day history?
[06:47] <akn> DaSkreech: attachments? not in every email. but when there`s an atachment it takes like 10 second to load the email.
[06:48] <DaSkreech> Hmm that sounds pretty bad
[06:51] <hazard2> if I just upgraded my kernel is there any way to easily remove all the old kernel packages?
[06:52] <DaSkreech> fdisk?
[06:52] <lupine_85> ...
[06:53] <lupine_85>  /spank DaSkreech
[06:53] <lupine_85> hazard2: easiest to do in adept. Search for linux-image and mark for removal everything that isn't the latest
[06:53] <lupine_85> same for linux-headers and linux-source
[06:53] <hazard2> yea, that's what I've been trying, but for some silly reason it keeps wanting to reinstall them all
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Ok why can't I start new Gui processes?
[06:54] <lupine_85> peculiar
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Oh ok just moving a bit slow I guess
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Though Firefox is still not opening
[06:55] <DaSkreech> 0_-
[06:56] <bob> Hey there
[06:56] <DaSkreech> Umm ok how do I debug not being able to browse?
[06:57] <DaSkreech> I can't get links2 to browse
[06:59] <deathfenix> hello all
[06:59] <deathfenix> pls help in wireless
[06:59] <Random_Transit> hey, quick question...is there any way for me to reinstall windows on one drive and not have it screw with GRUB?
[06:59] <deathfenix> not up my wireless =
[06:59] <DaSkreech> !wireless
[06:59] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:00] <deathfenix> tkx
[07:00] <ubuntu>  do you find any thing wrong in this UUID=ab6677d3-66fd-4ee0-aa63-ebf89bed185f / ext3 nouser,defaults,errors=remount-ro,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 1
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Random_Transit: Usually not worth the pain unless you reinstall Windows a few times a month
[07:01] <DaSkreech> Ah this sucks!!
[07:01] <kkrizka> I keep getting "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" when trying to remove some packages
[07:01] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Where do you want us to start?
[07:02] <wimpies> I have a core 2 duo processor is that a 64 bit processor ? if so do I need the 64 edge image ?
[07:02] <deathfenix> [17183733.388000]  ndiswrapper (iw_set_freq:375): setting configuration failed (C0010015)
[07:02] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: well i installed to edgy
[07:02] <deathfenix> [17183733.388000]  ndiswrapper (iw_set_ap_address:668): setting AP mac address failed (C0010015)
[07:02] <DaSkreech> wimpies: Yes and no
[07:02] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: no i reach busty box
[07:02] <deathfenix> error connect
[07:02] <deathfenix> not set essid =/
[07:03] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: so there is sothing wrong wit fstab and menu.lst
[07:03] <deathfenix> sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid wire  not change
[07:04] <wimpies> DaSkreech : Ok not needing but is it worth using the 64 image ?
[07:04] <deathfenix> x-/
[07:05] <kalm> iv got a lot of noises in kubuntu (especially when the computer "think" that I don't had on suse, what could be the reason?
[07:06] <kkrizka> I also get the following error when installing cpanel-data: "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1"
[07:07] <DaSkreech> wimpies: Depends. There is more software for the 32 kernel but there is more efficent use of resources in a 64 kernel
[07:08] <DaSkreech> Yep I'd Mostly recode kaffiene
[07:08] <Mando> aloha
[07:09] <DaSkreech> Aloha!
[07:09] <Brydenn33> blah, i need some quick help guys
[07:09] <Mando> i need some help
[07:09] <Brydenn33> i'm trying to install Gaim-vv
[07:09] <Mando> i've installed kubuntu successfully
[07:10] <Mando> but when i try to load it
[07:10] <Brydenn33> and it keeps telling me i need
[07:10] <Brydenn33> libgnutls11 (>= 1.0.16); however:
[07:10] <Brydenn33>   Package libgnutls11 is not installed.
[07:10] <Mando> i get a whole bunch of Buffer I/O errors
[07:10] <Mando> and then kubuntu loads
[07:10] <DaSkreech> Brydenn33: Install it maybe?
[07:10] <_Rover_> Mando: check your memory :)
[07:10] <DaSkreech> Mando: Back up your hard drive
[07:10] <Brydenn33> DaSkreech: DUH! but i have version 13 not 11
[07:10] <Brydenn33> and its not in the package system
[07:10] <Mando> buffer i/o error on ha2 bla bla
[07:10] <Brydenn33> well not on Edgy anyway
[07:10] <DaSkreech> I assume you are installing gaim-VV from code?
[07:10] <Brydenn33> there is version 12 and 13 no 11
[07:10] <Mando> daskreech: why is that?
[07:11] <Brydenn33> no i'm installing it from a .deb i downloaded
[07:11] <lupine_85> they are bad error messages :(
[07:11] <DaSkreech> Mando: My Hard drive started faiing aafter like a month of that
[07:11] <DaSkreech> Mando: Much better safe :)
[07:11] <arunkale> hey people
[07:11] <DaSkreech> Hi arunkale
[07:11] <Mando> i made a disk check on my hard drive from windows right before installing kubuntu
[07:11] <_Rover_> busy chan :)
[07:11] <Mando> and had absolutely no errors
[07:11] <arunkale> Hey, DaSkreech.. how are things?
[07:11] <DaSkreech> Brydenn33: and it doesn't have a deb for the dependecies?
[07:12] <DaSkreech> arunkale: Butt Sucky
[07:12] <_Rover_> Mando: it might have phisical errors, windows doesnt see everything
[07:12] <Brydenn33> well i found a .deb for the libgnutls11 (>= 1.0.16)
[07:12] <Brydenn33> but keeps giving me an error too
[07:12] <Mando> well i've clicked the check box where it says check for bad sector
[07:12] <DaSkreech> anything that involves retirieving from the internet seems dead
[07:12] <Mando> and yet nothing
[07:12] <arunkale> DaSkreech: what happened?
[07:13] <DaSkreech>  I think the Country got cut off from the internet again
[07:13] <Brydenn33> DaSkreech:
[07:13] <Brydenn33> dpkg: error processing libgnutls11_1.0.16-14_kfreebsd-i386 (--install):
[07:13] <Brydenn33>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[07:13] <Brydenn33> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:13] <Mando> is there any other possible cause for this error?
[07:13] <DaSkreech> Brydenn33: It's a aBSD Deb?
[07:13] <DaSkreech> How does that work?
[07:13] <Brydenn33> not sure DaSkreech hehe, it was on debian.org though
[07:13] <Brydenn33> crap
[07:14] <Brydenn33> i think it is for BSD
[07:14] <DaSkreech> Mando: quite a few i would suspect anything that is a block device can throw that error but as I said backup never killed anyone
[07:14] <Brydenn33> blah
[07:14] <DaSkreech> Again how does that work?
[07:14] <DaSkreech>  Brydenn33: I really advise hunting a deb for the lastest gaim 2 beta
[07:14] <Mando> ok sure backup is out of question here.. but how can i get past this error.. i cant wait 5 min everytime i start kubuntu
[07:14] <DaSkreech>  it is trying to incorporate the gaim -v stuff
[07:15] <Brydenn33> DaSkreech: well if gaim beta has webcam support i'm all over it
[07:15] <Brydenn33> but i dont think it does
[07:15] <DaSkreech> Brydenn33: Don't like Kopete?
[07:15] <DaSkreech>  it has webcam support
[07:15] <DaSkreech> arunkale: I can ping places but I can't browse.. at all
[07:15] <arunkale> DaSkreech: Ouch
[07:16] <DaSkreech> I have no idea how to debug that
[07:16] <Mando> anyone? how can i fix this error? or other possible causes
[07:16] <Brydenn33> no i dont really like Kopete
[07:16] <DaSkreech> Brydenn33: More power to you :)
[07:16] <Mando> bare in mind my pc is an acer aspire 1692 wlmi laptop
[07:16] <Brydenn33> haha i'm gonna go see if it really has webcam support or not, cuz i dont think gaim does
[07:16] <DaSkreech> Well forget this
[07:17] <_Rover_> Mando: magnetic errors on your hard driver might cause failure, find a prog called hdd regenerator, it is not free though...
[07:17] <DaSkreech> See if the country gets back on to the internet later
[07:17] <Mando> ok will do
[07:18] <ricanelite> Anyone here know about MOL?
[07:20] <carsten> Anyone on Edgy Eft here? I upgraded from Dapper and now my xserver does no longer start. No clue what to do now, google doesn't help :(
[07:20] <mabreaux> yes
[07:21] <mabreaux> I had the same problem, had to install from disc.
[07:21] <carsten> mabreaux: that is not really an option :(
[07:21] <_Rover_> carsten: eh
[07:21] <_Rover_> let me think
[07:22] <ricanelite> Anyone here knows about MOL??
[07:22] <carsten> mabreaux: Well, I could backup everything, of course and I even have a  backup. But a full reinstall mean that I have to reconfigure everything.
[07:22] <_Rover_> ctrl alt f1
[07:22] <mabreaux> I checked the bug list and they claim it is fix for release but the iso has not been updated
[07:22] <_Rover_> log in
[07:22] <pa> carsten: what's the error message you get while trying to start X?
[07:22] <_Rover_> apt-get update
[07:22] <_Rover_> eh
[07:22] <carsten> pa no error, that is the weird thing :(
[07:22] <pa> check out the X.org.log
[07:23] <pa> Xorg.0.log that is
[07:23] <_Rover_> i had it too you have to upgrade just as long till everything is there
[07:23] <_Rover_> but i am seeking thee right commandos moment
[07:23] <carsten> pa: complaining about missing wacom for exampple, but that cannot be the reason, of course
[07:23] <carsten> no real err-msg
[07:23] <_Rover_> meebie reinstall xserver.xorg
[07:23] <pa> yes it could
[07:23] <pa> if x misses a device in xorg.conf
[07:24] <pa> x wont start
[07:24] <pa> so you should check out your xorg.conf
[07:24] <Sanne> carsten: to see if the problem is with your video driver you could try the vesa driver temporarily.
[07:24] <carsten> I am on vesa
[07:24] <carsten> and never used anything else :)
[07:24] <pa> the problem lies in the config file i'm pretty sure
[07:25] <pa> do you have a backup of your old config file before the update?
[07:25] <pa> you could try it
[07:25] <Sanne> pa: The missing wacom shouldn't be a problem, it seems it's in xorg.conf by default. I get those errors also and have no wacom device.
[07:25] <_Rover_> apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade might do the job
[07:25] <Sanne> carsten: oh, ok, then it's not the video driver.
[07:25] <SkyMountaineer> has any one seen this error when booting the live CD.. XXXXXXX.XXXXX PCI: BIOS BUG: MCFG area at f00000 is not e820-reserved ?
[07:25] <carsten> it seems that the dist-upgrade is  not yet working. I will try to reinstall the kubuntu-desktop
[07:25] <pa> Sanne:  oh sorry, i dunno, i come from gentoo, only installed ubuntu yesterday, so i'm not used the way ubuntu works
[07:26] <_Rover_> carsten: that is also an option
[07:26] <_Rover_> but try xserver.xorg
[07:26] <Sanne> pa: don't be sorry, I also wondered about those errors. In fact they annoyed me enough so I commented out the wacom lines ;)
[07:26] <_Rover_> pa: it is mostly debian
[07:26] <pa> Sanne :)
[07:27] <naegling23> please help, I cant read the screen, is there a hotkey to change my screen resolution, Im running xgl so I cant use the display settings
[07:28] <Hawkwind> !xgl
[07:28] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[07:28] <eric_> Does anyone know what files store XFCE desktop configuration data? part of my XFCE desktop is hosed.
[07:28] <Hawkwind> naegling23: Does ctrl +/- not work ?
[07:28] <_Rover_> i have an inconveniance... i would like to have thunderbird and mozilla systemwide as my default e-mail and browser prog and although i checked everything it still doesnt work, it still starts konquorer and kmail
[07:29] <_Rover_> anyone?
[07:30] <naegling23> I didnt know about ctrl +/- but it doesnt seem to be working, for some reason, I think xgl is using some insanely high resolution
[07:30] <Hawkwind> naegling23: Try asking in #Ubuntu-XGL then
[07:30] <pa> _Rover_ you checked in kcontrol default application?
[07:31] <_Rover_> yep
[07:32] <_Rover_> nicely fixed it there but kde doesnt listen to me :)
[07:33] <pa> i dunno, i dont use pop mail, and i start firefox by using the firefox button i put in the taskbar :)
[07:33] <_Rover_> mozilla works, thunderbird works but even from thunderbird links will open in konquorer
[07:33] <pa> hmmm
[07:33] <pa> check out firefox and thunderbird config?
[07:33] <_Rover_> yep and i couldnt find anything on google
[07:34] <_Rover_> pa: nothing there to check :)
[07:34] <_Rover_> spooky :)
[07:34] <_Rover_> meebie small bug?
[07:34] <carsten> ok folks, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop fixed my isseus
[07:35] <_Rover_> carsten: now upgrade just as long till everything is there
[07:35] <hammad> how do i switch to gnome
[07:35] <hammad> if i installed kde
[07:35] <mabreaux> install ubuntu-desktop
[07:35] <_Rover_> mabreaux: i dont like gnome :)
[07:36] <foosdfsdf> _Rover_: upgrade what?
[07:36] <mabreaux> neither do I that is why I run kde
[07:36] <thami> KDE looks nice
[07:36] <_Rover_> foosdfsdf: carsten was upgrading
[07:36] <hammad> i cant play games or anything
[07:36] <hammad> heard gnome is faster
[07:37] <_Rover_> foosdfsdf: and it went wrong
[07:37] <steveire> Hey, I'm trying to install this >>> http://kionjb.cvs.sourceforge.net/kionjb/kionjb/. There's no ./configure script. Should I run autogen?
[07:37] <arunkale> are there any good kde browsers other than konqueror?
[07:37] <foosdfsdf> _Rover_: I am carsten, just on the other machine :) No loggin off here
[07:37] <_Rover_> ag shit :)
[07:38] <_Rover_> carsten: upgrade kubuntu till everything is there... not all packages might be there yet
[07:39] <carsten> _Rover_: what do you mean, it seems everything works
[07:39] <carsten> just the fonts in edgy look strange
[07:39] <_Rover_> carsten: apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:39] <_Rover_> now it prolly does something
[07:40] <pa> i dunno if you guys knows about this program, but if you often spend time in the konsole, you should try yakuake.  It's a quake style konsole for kde, you install it, run it, and there is a konsole always ready for you by pressing F12
[07:40] <Dr_willis> I hate Yakuake :P
[07:40] <_Rover_> pa: i always am in Konsole :)
[07:40] <Dr_willis> I always got a konsole open anyway
[07:40] <Dr_willis> and about 8 tabs in it
[07:40] <_Rover_> pa: and sometimes in screen :)
[07:40] <pa> i cant live without my yakuake
[07:40] <_Rover_> screen rulez
[07:41] <Dr_willis> screen and mc - dont play nicely last i tried.
[07:41] <carsten> does anyone know about a mule-client which sucks less than amule?
[07:41] <pa> mc is nice :)
[07:41] <_Rover_> screen works
[07:41] <pa> amule is pretty much the best you can get
[07:41] <pa> you have problems with amule?
[07:42] <_Rover_> well, i guess no one knows about my mozilla and thunderbird prob?
[07:42] <carsten> pa: of course I do :-) It looks ugly for example, it has display bugs, it feels slow as hell, I cannot configure with which app I want to see a avi-file...
[07:43] <_Rover_> that mule prog is a peer to peer prog?
[07:43] <carsten> I think so
[07:43] <_Rover_> what is wrong with gtk gnutella
[07:43] <_Rover_> ?
[07:43] <pa> carsten: well, last time i checked you can configure amule to play with the media player you want, as for it's ugliness, depends if you have it gtk1 or 2, 2 is a bit better
[07:44] <carsten> pa: I have whatever comes with kubuntu
[07:44] <_Rover_> and for your torrents, azareus runs on linux too
[07:44] <pa> and slowiness, i dunno, i dont feel it so slow, and imo, it's a better client and emule on windows.. i get better results at least with it
[07:44] <pa> yes
[07:44] <pa> but i found ktorrent pretty decent
[07:44] <pa> i was used to azureus before
[07:45] <carsten> pa: only that torrent != p2p :)
[07:45] <carsten> pa
[07:45] <_Rover_> pa: azareus can run on linux, i have it
[07:45] <_Rover_> it is java based
[07:45] <pa> yes i know
[07:45] <carsten> pa: for example, I downloaded this loose-change-thing. You need p2p for that, afaik
[07:45] <pa> i was using it on my gentoo before
[07:45] <Alberto> Hi ! Got a problem with my network interface eth0 : I can ping the gateaway (router) and access it but can not go on the internet .
[07:45] <_Rover_> pa: aha
[07:45] <pa> but i tried the one that was bundled with kubuntu, and found it nice
[07:46] <arunkale> are there any good kde browsers other than konqueror?
[07:46] <_Rover_> arunkale: i use mozilla
[07:46] <pa> me too :)
[07:46] <_Rover_> konquorer sucks imho
[07:46] <pa> firefox that is
[07:46] <_Rover_> :)
[07:46] <arunkale> is that kde-based?
[07:46] <arunkale> or gnome-based
[07:46] <arunkale> firefox is gnome-based
[07:46] <_Rover_> arunkale: gnome but it runs on kde
[07:46] <pa> konqueror doesnt sucks so much.. it's pretty quick.. but some pages have problems with it
[07:46] <arunkale> yeah, i know it does
[07:46] <pa> but for most uses, it can be faster than firefox
[07:47] <carsten> since when is firefox gnome-based!?
[07:47] <_Rover_> pa: exactly
[07:47] <arunkale> i'm just asking if there are kde specific browsers
[07:47] <andrew_> can somone help me? im a newbie
[07:47] <Alberto> Someone to help me understand why I can not go on the internet but only on the LAN ?
[07:47] <arunkale> other than konqueror
[07:47] <yeti> konqueror is quick if you disable the IPV6 lookup, but it's still not nearly as fast as firefox with pipelining
[07:47] <arunkale> whats up andrew_
[07:47] <Alberto> andrew : may help you ...
[07:47] <Alberto> I have prob too :)
[07:48] <_Rover_> yeti: i need a browser that displays as much as possible and konquorer fails somethime :)
[07:48] <Alberto> arunkale: maybe yoiu can help me ...
[07:48] <_Rover_> Alberto: we al have our probs ;)
[07:48] <andrew_> i downloaded some games to try out, planeshift - i figured out how to install and run, legends - says that i need libgtk-1.2 which i just installed
[07:48] <arunkale> what's up?
[07:48] <andrew_> so im not too sure why that isnt finding libgtk
[07:49] <Alberto> _Rover_: sure
[07:49] <_Rover_> :)
[07:49] <Alberto> arunkale: my eth0 is ok for LAN .. I can ping my gateaway but I can not go on the internet ...
[07:49] <pa> andrew i had planeshift running on my gentoo before, and i can tell you that i remember spending days to get this game to work
[07:49] <gsnedders> when booting the Desktop CD (on a Duron 700) I get "invalid compression format (err=1)" no matter which option I choose
[07:50] <_Rover_> Alberto: payd your internet bill? nah that one is not nice :)
[07:50] <Alberto> I got kubuntu on my laptop and ubuntu on my desktop machine
[07:50] <pa> i did so many things to have it works, that i really cant remember, but look in the forums and google
[07:50] <andrew_> :D well i think i have it going, the legends game is the problem, not finding libgtk
[07:50] <Alberto> It works for ubuntu but not for kubuntu :\
[07:50] <Alberto> _Rover_: yes ... not nice :)
[07:51] <Alberto> My DNS seem are correct ...
[07:51] <pa> andrew but you might want to try eternal lands instead
[07:51] <andrew_> whats that?
[07:51] <_Rover_> Alberto: does your provider support dhcp?
[07:51] <Flosoft> hey
[07:51] <Flosoft> I want to install Kubuntu on my laptop
[07:51] <andrew_> ohhh i think i may have just found the problem
[07:51] <_Rover_> Flosoft: than do so :)
[07:51] <Flosoft> how do I resize my NTFS partition?
[07:51] <pa> andrew as planeshift is very early and you'll be strong enough to beat the toughest mob in about 1 month of play
[07:51] <_Rover_> Flosoft: partiton magic
[07:51] <andrew_> oh thats no fun
[07:52] <pa> andrew eternal lands is another mmo avail on linux
[07:52] <andrew_> ahh ok ty
[07:52] <yeti> Flosoft, if you don't want to lose data, use partition magic or windows for that
[07:52] <Flosoft> can't the Kubuntu Live CD do that?
[07:52] <pa> andrew www.eternal-lands.com
[07:52] <Alberto> _Rover_: my provider ?! I m on a lan : ubuntu is ok but kubuntu is not
[07:52] <Flosoft> ah ... how can I do it in Windows?
[07:52] <Alberto> Statix IP
[07:52] <pa> or .net
[07:52] <pa> cant remember
[07:52] <_Rover_> Flosoft: i dont know... better you down pm somehwere...
[07:52] <andrew_> i figured out the problem installing Legends! i had installed lib<somethingwrong> instead of libgtk01.2
[07:53] <_Rover_> Flosoft: but if you tasted kubuntu your windows will dissapear forever!!! :P
[07:53] <_Rover_> :)
[07:53] <Flosoft> well I use Kubuntu
[07:53] <Flosoft> on my Server @ Home
[07:53] <_Rover_> Flosoft: dutch?
[07:53] <Flosoft> but I need Windows as I need Macromedia
[07:54] <Flosoft> German / Danish from Belgium .. but dutch is no problem
[07:54] <andrew_> i have another question though, i want to install to /usr/loca/games/Savage, so i have to sudo the installer.. but then it gives me permission denied when it has finished and i try to run the newly installed program on this user...
[07:54] <andrew_> i understand why its doing that, just not how to fix it
[07:54] <lupine_85> sudo chmod a+x binary-file
[07:54] <pa> are you member of the games group?
[07:54] <lupine_85> it needs to be set to be executable
[07:55] <ytrere> hi
[07:55] <andrew_> yeah i tried that too, i got it to launch the installer fine,
[07:55] <pa> the file should already be executable after an installation
[07:55] <steveire> Flosoft: look for hirens boot cd. It's good for partitioning
[07:55] <pa> check out the group on the game binary
[07:55] <lupine_85> indeed, but "should" and "is" are two different things ;)
[07:55] <_Rover_> steveire: yeah hiren roelzzz
[07:56] <pa> if it is games, ensure that you also belong to the games group
[07:56] <andrew_> im too new to linux to really understand how to make links and what not to programs(games) the installer makes some icons for the game for me on my desktop, but when i try to run them i get permission denied
[07:56] <andrew_> ok games group
[07:56] <andrew_> hmm
[07:56] <lupine_85> or maybe it's got a config file which is own3d by root but not writable by andrew_
[07:56] <pa> andrew do ls -l in the directory where the games exectuable is
[07:56] <lupine_85> personally, I'd have installed it into ~/opt
[07:56] <andrew_> ahh confusing
[07:57] <andrew_> what if
[07:57] <andrew_> i install it into say /home/andrew/games/savage
[07:57] <andrew_> then ill have permission to open it once its done right?
[07:57] <pa> yes if you dont sudo the installer
[07:57] <andrew_> hrmm ok ty
[07:57] <pa> i just checked my account, and by default kubuntu doesnt add you to the games group
[07:58] <andrew_> another thing.. it is asking me if i want to install a symbolic link into the path /usr/local/bin
[07:58] <pa> so that is possibly your problem
[07:58] <pa> yes
[07:58] <andrew_> im not too sure what the games group is
[07:58] <pa> so you can start the game without typing the path
[07:58] <andrew_> ohhh
[07:58] <pa> since /usr/local/bin is by default in the path variable
[07:58] <lupine_85> note that it's a PITA to get working anyway
[07:58] <andrew_> :D
[07:58] <lupine_85> it relies on lots of olllllllld libraries
[07:59] <pa> cause in linux, when you type something without a path
[07:59] <pa> it doesnt look into the current dir
[07:59] <pa> it look in the $PATH variable
[07:59] <pa> you can see it by doing echo $PATH in the konsole
[07:59] <andrew_> ohhh
[08:00] <andrew_> okay well i just added my user to the games group
[08:00] <andrew_> i tihnk
[08:01] <pa> well as i said, this was the default behavior on gentoo, when you installed a games, it would require the user to be part of the game group, i havent installed a game yet on kubuntu, but that would make sense
[08:01] <pa> i'll try to install one
[08:01] <andrew_> hrmm
[08:02] <andrew_> i think ive got it working :D
[08:02] <andrew_> the installer installed fine, then launched the game fine
[08:02] <andrew_> and now it appears to be updating the game fine
[08:02] <kolin> anyone know a nice bit about amarok in here?
[08:03] <steveire> kolin: Try #amarok
[08:03] <matrix> hi
[08:03] <pa> :)
[08:03] <arunkale> whats up kolin
[08:03] <andrew_> and legends is working too
[08:03] <pa> so adding yourself to the group fixed it?
[08:03] <pa> :)
[08:03] <andrew_> yes
[08:03] <andrew_> ty
[08:03] <pa> np :)
[08:04] <matrix> i tried xgl some time ago with no success. Now that my ati9000 moblility is no longer supported in the official ati drivers a friend told me the opensource driver might be even better an work with aiglx
[08:04] <matrix> there are so many differen voices out there. can anybody help me find a howto for my card with ubuntu and a 3d desktop
[08:05] <andrew_> oh no new problem
[08:05] <matrix> do i just have to update to efty and switch to the opensource ati drivers (which are they)?
[08:05] <_Rover_> bye all...
[08:06] <andrew_> pa are you still ther
[08:06] <andrew_> e
[08:06] <ismael_> Can anybody help me with an edgy problem? -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26772/
[08:07] <pa> yes
[08:08] <kolin> what ports does kopete use?
[08:08] <andrew_> okay fixed the next problem by sudo Savage
[08:08] <andrew_> instead of just savage
[08:08] <andrew_> i wonder why they dont make it sudo in the first place
[08:09] <pa> you shouldnt have to do that
[08:09] <Martijn81> kolin: depends on the IM network in use i guess
[08:09] <pa> you have another permission problem
[08:09] <andrew_> doh
[08:09] <przemek> ismael_: For my mind you don't have some libraries for instance libdl.so.2
[08:09] <BluesKaj> matrix, "fglrx" drivers for most ati cards
[08:09] <kolin> cause i am using msn on it and im getting a file from someone and it is going very slow
[08:09] <kolin> i know many factors could cause this
[08:10] <pa> andrew: type this in konsole -l `which savage` and look at the user and group name on the file
[08:10] <ismael_> przemek: "locate libdl" does find libraries
[08:10] <pa> if you see root games or something like this
[08:10] <_Shade_> does anyone know how can i set xgl up on my kubuntu edgy beta?
[08:10] <pa> if your user is really part of the games group, it should work
[08:11] <andrew_> ok im not too sure what to type
[08:11] <matrix> BluesKaj: can i start an 3d desktop like aiglx or xgl with them?
[08:11] <andrew_> where you put which savage
[08:11] <pa> you could always chown the file to your name using chown andrew:andrew `which savage`
[08:11] <pa> cut and paste what i wrote
[08:11] <pa> ls -l `which savage`
[08:12] <przemek> ismael_: yes but library loader ( ld - program ) search only in some paths
[08:12] <andrew_> it says: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 2006-10-14 13:58 /usr/local/bin/savage -> /home/andrew/games/Savage//Savage
[08:12] <Martijn81> kolin: AFAIK msn IS slow in files, no matter what client in use, but i think forwaring of ports has helped me in the past. Wait i'll look in my router for the ports, then you can at least try it
[08:12] <pa> ok
[08:12] <pa> type this
[08:12] <ismael_> przemek: how do I fix the search path?
[08:12] <pa> sudo chown root:games `which savage`
[08:13] <pa> and try it again without sudo savage
[08:13] <andrew_> says sudo chown root:games `which savage`
[08:13] <andrew_> whoops
[08:13] <andrew_> hold on
[08:13] <przemek> ismael_:I do not know but there's another way
[08:13] <andrew_> System_Init()
[08:13] <andrew_> Game error during initialization:
[08:13] <andrew_> Couldn't open scripts.log
[08:13] <andrew_> it opens it ok with sudo savage though
[08:14] <pa> hmmm do ls -l /home/andrew/games/Savage
[08:14] <pa> and check out the user and group on those files
[08:14] <przemek> ismael_: We can try it , but I'm not shure if it'll work copy all needed libraries to some folder
[08:14] <Martijn81> kolin: TCP  6891 - 6900, and maybe Any(both TCP and UDP)  6901 - 6901 too, not sure about that one (pre-configured rules from router company)
[08:14] <pa> if it says roots
[08:14] <pa> root
[08:15] <pa> it's because you installed the game using sudo in your account
[08:15] <pa> easily fixable
[08:15] <ismael_> przemek: how do I find out which is the default search path? I could then try to make some symbolic links, right?
[08:15] <andrew_> it says root root for everything except for savage which says root games
[08:15] <pa> ok
[08:15] <pa> type this
[08:15] <przemek> ismael_:yes
[08:15] <pa> sudo chown andrew:games -R /home/andrew/games/Savage
[08:16] <pa> and try savage again
[08:16] <jontec_> can anyone tell me why perl scripts are running from my public_html and cgi-bin folder?
[08:16] <pa> cause you really shouldnt run games with sudo
[08:16] <DaSkreech> !xgl > matrix
[08:16] <jontec_> aren't*
[08:16] <przemek> ismael_:You can use environment variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH to tell ld which path it should search first
[08:16] <andrew_> it says unkown command :'/home/andrew/games/savage'
[08:17] <andrew_> couldnt open debug.log for writing
[08:17] <andrew_> singal SIGABRT received.
[08:17] <matrix> !aiglx > matrix
[08:17] <pa> when you typed savage you got this?
[08:17] <andrew_> yes
[08:17] <przemek> ismael_:for example " LD_LIBRARY_PATH="."  mercury "
[08:17] <pa> do a ls -l /home/andrew/games/Savage again
[08:18] <pa> everything is andrew games?
[08:18] <andrew_> yes
[08:19] <andrew_> crap brb
[08:19] <pa> ok
[08:20] <przemek> ismael_:Did you break it :)?
[08:20] <ismael_> przemek: I'm trying to make it work :P
[08:20] <przemek> ismael_: OK
[08:22] <ismael_> przemek: nope... It still can't find them
[08:22] <BluesKaj> matrix yes if your card can handle 3d
[08:22] <jontec_> why aren't perl scripts running from my public_html and cgi-bin directories?
[08:23] <jontec_> I'm using apache2 and I just installed the perl mod for apache
[08:23] <przemek> ismael_: You've made  links in some dir then cd that dir and write "LD_LIBRARY_PATH="." ; mercury"
[08:23] <matrix> BluesKaj: it can run google maps with opengl at the moment. but i never had luck with xgl. so i would like to know if something has changed
[08:24] <ismael_> przemek: I was pointing ld_lib._path to where those files are... I'll try what you suggest now
[08:24] <andrew_> back
[08:25] <ubuntu> hello, what's the best virusscanner for kubuntu that works with a gui, something like avast?
[08:25] <andrew_> pa are you still there
[08:26] <przemek> ismael_: but remember that variables are case sensitive
[08:26] <przemek> :)
[08:26] <ismael_> przemek: Yes, I know
[08:26] <pa> yep
[08:26] <andrew_> hey
[08:26] <przemek> ismael_:OK
[08:27] <orchid> hi all
[08:27] <ubuntu> and no answer ...
[08:27] <Zenethian> Why does KDE hide certain directories in my root filesystem now?  I can't see /mnt at all from konqueror, and that sucks.  It's interfering with Amarok, because I cannot choose a directory in /mnt for my music.
[08:27] <orchid> can I upgrade from kubuntu breezy to edgy?
[08:27] <Zenethian> orchid: I'd upgrade from breezy to dapper, then dapper to edgy.  Just in case.
[08:27] <fdoving> Zenethian: because the rest are hidden. go to view -> show hidden files to view them all.
[08:27] <andrew_> im going to try eternal lands
[08:27] <ismael_> orchid: No, upgrade to dapper first
[08:27] <przemek> ismael_:you can also check needed libraries using "ldd mercury "
[08:27] <fdoving> Zenethian: you can also edit /.hidden and remove the dirs you want to see.
[08:28] <orchid> Zenethian: ok,..It will be safer
[08:28] <orchid> thanks!
[08:28] <Zenethian> thanks.  :)
[08:28] <orchid> http://www.desdeguate.com/blog/2006/09/09/kde-4-para-kubuntu-edgy/
[08:28] <andrew_> anyone know of a good guide to install compiz with
[08:28] <ismael_> przemek: mercury is a script
[08:28] <orchid> have u tried that?
[08:28] <Zenethian> the .hidden change will be what i need.
[08:28] <fdoving> orchid: you need to go all the steps, like zenethian says.
[08:28] <ubuntu> andrew: do you mean tar.gz-files?
[08:28] <jontec_> why won't perl scripts exectue from my cgi-bin folder? (one of the last times I'll ask)
[08:29] <fdoving> jontec_: are they executable?
[08:29] <fdoving> jontec_: does other cgi-scripts execute?
[08:29] <przemek> ismael_:Can you give me a link to script output again?
[08:29] <ismael_> przemek: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26772/
[08:29] <andrew_> im not sure.. its called compiz its a 3d desktop sort of thing
[08:30] <ismael_> przemek: doing the symbolic links isn't helping. It still can't find the libraries
[08:30] <jontec_> fdoving: I don't have any others to run
[08:30] <jontec_> all that I have done is dropped the perl files in.
[08:30] <ubuntu> well, on the ubuntusite you'll find a lot of info
[08:30] <jontec_> into the folder I mean
[08:30] <ubuntu> how to install files
[08:31] <fdoving> jontec_: what happens when you try to execute them?
[08:31] <jontec_> it asks me to download them
[08:31] <fdoving> jontec_: ok, what's the extension? of the scripts?
[08:31] <jontec_> .pl
[08:31] <ubuntu> somebody knows how to update kde?
[08:32] <Martijn81> ubuntu: update sources.list and then trigger aptitude upgrade
[08:32] <przemek> ismael_: So maybe try ldd awk to get info what it needs
[08:32] <Martijn81> and aptitude update, of course..
[08:33] <ubuntu> martijn: ok, thnx
[08:33] <fdoving> jontec_: do you have mod_cgi enabled?
[08:33] <andrew_> so confusing
[08:33] <jontec_> fdoving:don't think so... I just installed the mod-perl
[08:33] <jontec_> I wasn't aware that that had to be installed as well O_o
[08:34] <andrew_> pa - legends doesnt work anyways as i cant run the update program
[08:34] <ismael_> przemek: I don't get it... it says it can't find awk... but it can't find ls either :S I think I broke something
[08:34] <kolin> how do i make kmixer open on start
[08:35] <kolin> it used to open when i started my comp and now it doesn't and the little speaker doesn't come up on the sys tray
[08:35] <fdoving> jontec_: you actually don't need mod_perl, you can just use mod-cgi for cgi-bin stuff. mod-perl is faster and advanced. but you don't need it for simple scripts in cgi-bin.
[08:35] <mabreaux> has any one install noteedit and got it running?
[08:35] <jontec_> fdoving: which one do you recommend as in fast-cgi and some others I see in adept?
[08:35] <ismael_> przemek: ldd /usr/bin/awk seems to work and finds that "missing" library
[08:36] <przemek> ismael_: OK
[08:36] <przemek> ismael_: What library?
[08:36] <Martijn81> ubuntu: be sure you have dapper-updates in the sources.list file too, best to make a fresh one on source-o-matic
[08:36] <Martijn81> !easysource
[08:36] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:36] <przemek> ismael_:libdl.so.2?
[08:36] <ismael_> przemek: yes
[08:37] <fdoving> jontec_: you don't need to install anything. mod_cgi is included with apache. use 'sudo a2enmod cgi'
[08:37] <andrew_> could somone help figure out why sudo apt-get install xserver-xgl compiz compiz-plugins compiz-core compiz-manager csm cgwd cgwd-themes
[08:37] <ismael_> przemek: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26773/
[08:37] <przemek> ismael_:Did you try export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="."
[08:37] <andrew_> cant find compiz-manager?
[08:37] <lupine_85> you want beryl not compiz
[08:37] <lupine_85> !beryl
[08:37] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[08:37] <ismael_> przemek: yes
[08:37] <lupine_85> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/ for install instructions for edgy and dapper
[08:37] <andrew_> isee
[08:37] <andrew_> ty
[08:38] <ubuntu> martijn: can you tell me where is an explanation in dutch for it, or can you tell me in dutch in a private session or something like that
[08:38] <przemek> ismael_:try to invoke awk
[08:38] <jontec_> fdoving: it yells at me... it says that it's already enabled
[08:38] <fdoving> jontec_: then it's enabled :)
[08:38] <ismael_> przemek: it works
[08:39] <przemek> ismael_:can you give me listing of mercury?
[08:39] <ismael_> przemek: what do you mean?
[08:39] <jontec_> umm... why doesn't it work then?
[08:40] <Martijn81> ubuntu: i have nothing against that, but i guess you need to be registered to private message me. You can also try channel #ubuntu-nl though ;)
[08:40] <przemek> ismael_: cat mercury and paste it on paste.ubuntu...
[08:40] <jontec_> fdoving: http://localhost/~jontec/cgi-bin/dvd11.pl (I removed the name of my local host)
[08:40] <fdoving> jontec_: you can try to add 'AddHandler cgi-script .pl' to your vhost.
[08:40] <ubuntu> ok, I'll register, but I'm using the livecd so it will take a minute
[08:41] <jontec_> fdoving: how?
[08:41] <jontec_> fdoving:and what is vhost?
[08:41] <ismael_> przemek: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26775/ it's quite long
[08:41] <jontec_> fdoving: is it a program or do you mean virtual host?
[08:41] <BluesKaj> matrix, sorry but I haven't had much luck with xgl either , my system is capable of it but i lack the knowledge to set it up properly...every time i try to set up XGL it fails to show up ...dunno what I'm doing wrong.
[08:42] <fdoving> jontec_: i mean virtual host.
[08:42] <fdoving> jontec_: you can take a look at this: http://www.cs.wcupa.edu/~rkline/apache-cgi-lin.html
[08:43] <Martijn81> ubuntu: i will be here for some hours, no rush
[08:43] <matrix> BluesKaj: me too so I descided to whait till this is more stable as i already dumped more than enought hours into it
[08:43] <fdoving> jontec_: it's written for  gentoo/redhat, but you'll find much about the same on ubuntu.
[08:43] <BluesKaj> martix, I have been advised the the fglrx driver is XGL capable
[08:44] <matrix> BluesKaj: i know that ati stops supporting the ati9000 with its current drivers. but a friend pointed out that the opensource drivers for ati should work even better for my card and are compatible with aiglx. so new hope grew. he is a gentoo user
[08:45] <BluesKaj> maybe when 6.10 is released it will be easier to set up
[08:45] <BluesKaj> I'd like to try XGL too but.... :(
[08:45] <ismael_> przemek BRB
[08:45] <przemek> ismael_:?
[08:45] <andrew_> arggh
[08:46] <fdoving> jontec_: the apache config on ubuntu is /etc/apache2/apache2.conf - open it in a editor with sudo (kmenu -> run command 'kdesu kate /etc/apache2/apache2.conf'  ) search for 'AddHandler' and uncomment the line "AddHandler cgi-script .pl"
[08:46] <matrix> is there a tool telling me witch is the fastest mirror for me? do the mirrors have the latest edgy packages?
[08:46] <andrew_> guys
[08:46] <andrew_> i installed beryl, and it tells me to restart then type beryl-manager
[08:46] <BluesKaj> 6.10  official release will be on OCT 26 afaik
[08:46] <andrew_> and it says it cant find a display
[08:46] <Ghostrider4444> martijn: I'm ubuntu, now I'm registered as Ghostrider4444
[08:46] <bLaZeD> hello all can someone help me get my sound working when watching videos off the net.......my sound used to work great with sites like break.com and others like it...but now i get no sound...only video...whihc sucks cuz sound DID work
[08:47] <Sanne> matrix: I remember a tool called apt-spy from my Debian days, maybe it's also in Ubuntu.
[08:47] <fdoving> andrew_: i suggest askin in #ubuntu-xgl
[08:47] <przemek> ismael_:I think that I can't help you any more
[08:47] <andrew_> ok thanks
[08:47] <andrew_> #
[08:47] <przemek> ismael_: maybe try on #bash?
[08:48] <bLaZeD> ive got firefox and a few video plugins installed for it....but noen give me sound.....
[08:48] <Sanne> matrix: it's in universe (I just checked)
[08:48] <BluesKaj> ubuntu-xgl ppl aren't paying attn mosty of the time , in my experience there
[08:48] <matrix> sanne: thanks i will have a look at it
[08:49] <Sanne> matrix: you're welcome
[08:49] <soulrider> can someone help me set up dual screens ?
[08:49] <andrew_> i havent got an answer yet on ubuntu-xhl
[08:49] <andrew_> xgl
[08:49] <KDEfanboy> bLaZeD: you run aRts?
[08:49] <BluesKaj> err #ubuntu-xgl
[08:49] <soulrider> y connected another monitor to my HD TV in my video card
[08:49] <andrew_> im going to try rebooting
[08:49] <andrew_> brb
[08:49] <soulrider> but i cant see anything there
[08:49] <bLaZeD> KDEfanboy, yea ive tried killing artsd restartiung firefox..nothing......
[08:49] <soulrider> while my pc was loading i could see a clone of my toher monitor
[08:49] <Crissi> hi!
[08:49] <Crissi> i got the media mount problem solved
[08:49] <Crissi> !!!
[08:50] <jontec_> fdoving: still have an error
[08:50] <KDEfanboy> bLaZeD: have this file? /etc/firefox/firefoxrc
[08:50] <jontec_> wait never minf.
[08:50] <Crissi> how i can report that
[08:50] <jontec_> gimme a sec
[08:50] <bLaZeD> KDEfanboy, yes i do
[08:50] <bLaZeD> KDEfanboy, # which /dev/dsp wrapper to use
[08:50] <bLaZeD> FIREFOX_DSP="none"
[08:51] <bLaZeD> KDEfanboy, am i gonna want to change that to like artsd?...or somthng
[08:51] <BluesKaj> bLaZeD, try this : http://mediawrap.mozdev.org/
[08:51] <Crissi> who is responseable for the kde packages
[08:52] <KDEfanboy> bLaZeD: you can edit that to change globally or edit ~/.mozilla/firefox/rc. to pipe through aRts, set to "artsdsp"
[08:52] <jontec_> fdoving: okay, yeah I still have the same error
[08:52] <KDEfanboy> otherwise, "auto", "esd", etc
[08:53] <bLaZeD> k cool KDEfanboy ill try that
[08:53] <fdoving> jontec_: try to rename it to .cgi
[08:53] <peacekpr> lupine_85: i just wanted to say thanks for helping me get kubuntu installed... "sudo swapoff -a" did the trick
[08:54] <ismael_> przemek Thanks for your help!
[08:54] <KDEfanboy> actually i think valid options are "auto" "audiooss" "esddsp" "artsdsp" "aoss" and "none"
[08:54] <ismael_> przemek: I'll keep looking
[08:54] <peacekpr> now that i am up and running on kubuntu, i have other questions of course.  I did some reading about enabling MP3 format and it seems as though libxine-extracodecs is the package i need, but it's not in multiverse.  has it been replaced by libxine-main1 ?
[08:55] <bLaZeD> KDEfanboy, i changed /etc/firefox/firefoxrc to use artsdsp then closed firefox and retsrted it.....went to the site and no sound
[08:55] <Blacken> peacekpr: Use easyubuntu, it'll save you a lot of time.
[08:55] <Danilo2> hello
[08:55] <bLaZeD> KDEfanboy, i also didnt have a ~/.mozilla/firefox/rc
[08:56] <mabreaux> what is easyubuntu?
[08:56] <jontec_> fdoving: it tries to open the file in kate now
[08:56] <Brydenn33> how do i uninstall a program if i instaled it from source?
[08:56] <fdoving> jontec_: hmm.
[08:56] <KDEfanboy> bLaZeD: you said you killed aRts, so make sure you restart it then try again.
[08:56] <claydoh> peacekpr: did you reload after editoing your package list?
[08:57] <steveire> Brydenn33: Did you use sudo make install? And do you still have that directory?
[08:57] <bLaZeD> KDEfanboy, i have a artsd already running....i just did ps x
[08:57] <KDEfanboy> bLaZeD: if that file doesn't exist you can create it
[08:57] <fdoving> Brydenn33: if you used 'make install' to install it, it's kinda hard. you can try to go to the source directory, and run 'make uninstall' if that doesn't work you'll need to delete it file by file manually.
[08:57] <Brydenn33> ya i used sodu and no i dont think i still have the directory
[08:57] <Danilo2> I need a user of live cd
[08:57] <Brydenn33> lol
[08:57] <Brydenn33> that sucks fdoving
[08:57] <KDEfanboy> bLaZeD: what video play is it?
[08:57] <Sanne> peacekpr: this might also be helpful: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[08:57] <KDEfanboy> *player
[08:57] <Brydenn33> thanks though fdoving
[08:58] <steveire> Brydenn33: Pity. It's easy if the directory is still there. Just sudo make uninstall
[08:58] <bLaZeD> kde i do belive its using the mplayer one
[08:58] <bLaZeD> * KDEfanboy
[08:58] <KDEfanboy> oh..i thought by plugins you meant flash, etc
[08:58] <jontec_> fdoving: the file points to /usr/bin/perl, that is correct for kubuntu, right?
[08:59] <bLaZeD> KDEfanboy, well even with the flash it plays no sound..at break.com u can choose flash or windows media
[08:59] <fdoving> jontec_: yes, but that's not the problem, the problem is the webserver, most likely, as you get the option to download it.
[08:59] <Crissi> hi sredna
[09:00] <Crissi> sredna: you remember the lde media mount problem?
[09:00] <kyaneos> hi
[09:00] <Crissi> i found the solution for fix it
[09:01] <KDEfanboy> bLaZeD: i haven't used the mplayer plugin so I don't know where the settings would be for that. if it reads mplayer's, it would be in ~/.mplayer/config where you can change the ao device. the flash should still work though. but test another one.. kill aRts and try "auto"
[09:01] <Crissi> sredna: http://paste.debian.net/14885  <[09:01] <Danilo2> hello i cant boot properly from 6.06 live cd
[09:02] <sredna> Crissi: Thank you
[09:02] <fdoving> jontec_: i recommend reading: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/httpd.html
[09:02] <Crissi> sredna: can you update the package?
[09:02] <sredna> Crissi: I can
[09:03] <bLaZeD> well thanks for trying to help KDEfanboy but this f'in thing wotn play sound......used to but now nothing
[09:03] <bLaZeD> i killedall artsd...i changed that file to use "auto" i restarted firefox...but nothing
[09:04] <Raven301> Hey Hawkwind  Linux raven301-laptop 2.6.18.1-01 #1 Sat Oct 14 12:34:16 EDT 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[09:05] <giovanni> hi there
[09:05] <BluesKaj> uhoh, adept update failed , now I'm unable to open my home folder , this is the error message ;  /usr/lib/kde3/konq_iconview.so: undefined symbol: _ZN6KParts16BrowserExtension12itemsRemovedERK8QPtrListI9KFileItemE
[09:06] <Crissi> sredna: if you need these files i can mail you
[09:06] <giovanni> can someone tell me why kde do not want to shut down anymore? when i click on terminate session simply nothing appens... why?
[09:06] <sredna> Crissi: Better fix the hal package, is there a issue posted?
[09:07] <T3hWiz0rd> kubuntu ate my girlfriend :-(
[09:07] <peacekpr> claydoh, package is installed, but i see no difference for MP3 playback ;/
[09:08] <yuma> T3hWiz0rd: how was that?
[09:08] <joscha> can i upgrade a running dapper drake to 6.10?
[09:08] <T3hWiz0rd> yuma: lol its something i had put on a t-shirt
[09:08] <joscha> stop... ok
[09:09] <joscha> dont answer ;)
[09:09] <yuma> T3hWiz0rd: haha, cool!
[09:09] <T3hWiz0rd> uhm
[09:09] <T3hWiz0rd> kde isn't 10
[09:09] <T3hWiz0rd> who ever put that in that topic
[09:09] <T3hWiz0rd> its only like... 7 or 8
[09:10] <T3hWiz0rd> or actually
[09:10] <T3hWiz0rd> wow im dumb, nevermind
[09:10] <T3hWiz0rd> *sits in corner*
[09:10] <sleon> hi
[09:10] <alyn3d> hello all....
[09:11] <sleon> how can i set up this kubuntu box es client of a remote cups server? client.conf in /etc/cups is ignored
[09:11] <alyn3d> Did anyone upgrade to KDE 3.5.5 ? Does it worth it ?
[09:11] <bLaZeD> well i uninstalled all the mozzillia video plugins....one by one....and it turns out that it was using a xine one....so uninstalled them all then resinatlled just the mplayer one and it now i have sound again
[09:12] <fdoving> T3hWiz0rd: check kde.org i think they know what they are talking about.
[09:13] <Crissi> i dont know if there is a ticket open
[09:13] <T3hWiz0rd> fdoving: i already corrected myself thank you.
[09:13] <fdoving> T3hWiz0rd: :)
[09:13] <Jonty> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/uim/+bug/64111 is affecting me. Is there any way to remove it without it calling that script, or does anyone know why it's failing in the first place?
[09:13] <Crissi> i just installed dapper yesterday and got this issue
[09:13] <T3hWiz0rd> fdoving: recorrecting the already corrected only makes them want to put a boot in your ass :-P lmao jk
[09:14] <fdoving> T3hWiz0rd: understand that.. didn't see your own correction before correcting you, sorry about that :)
[09:14] <T3hWiz0rd> fdoving: im just kiddin with you, im feisty when i just woke up
[09:16] <sleon> hi
[09:16] <jontec_> fdoving: I see this: "ExecCGI - Allow execution of CGI scripts. CGI scripts are not executed if this option is not chosen." but it doesn't tell me how to change it or add it.
[09:16] <sleon> why is /etc/cups/client.conf ignored? is it not possible in 6.0.6 to use remote cups server??
[09:17] <Crissi> sleon: its not working? I'll try
[09:18] <sleon> Crissi: echo ServerName yourserver > /etc/cups/client.conf , then try with kprinter
[09:18] <sleon> Crissi: you can also stop cupsd before it
[09:18] <fdoving> jontec_: it must be set in the <Directory> section, for the directory containing your cgis. if you have the cgis in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ you must have a <Directory> entry for /usr/lib/cgi-bin allowing ExecCGI
[09:18] <Crissi> thats not a good idea
[09:18] <sleon> Crissi: kprinter then complains that it can not connect to server on local host and ignores client.conf
[09:18] <Crissi> you w'll overwrite this file
[09:18] <sleon> Crissi: there is not client.conf althought cupsys-client is installed
[09:19] <sleon> Crissi: thats why i tell say echo
[09:19] <Crissi> now i'll configure a remote printer
[09:19] <sleon> Crissi: not a remote printer
[09:19] <jontec_> fdoving: so is the public_html/cgi-bin/ directory not the default directory? Do I have to set the directory entry for it?
[09:20] <fdoving> jontec_: yes, you have to set a directory entry for it.
[09:20] <sleon> Crissi: you need add a server and then you get all printers and theirs settings that are on that server. you need only one line in client.conf
[09:20] <Crissi> rigth
[09:20] <sleon> Crissi: and you do not need to run cups server localy
[09:20] <fdoving> jontec_: the default is /usr/lib/cgi-bin
[09:20] <sleon> Crissi: but again, client.conf is comehow ignored
[09:21] <fdoving> jontec_: either you need to change /etc/apache2/apache2.conf to point to your cgi-bin directory, or you have to put your cgis in /usr/lib/cgi-bin
[09:22] <thunderstorm> hi@all
[09:23] <fdoving> jontec_: i recommend not to user public_html/cgi-bin though. put the script in for example ~/cgi/ or something not public. and make a 'ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /home/jontec/cgi' for example. That way users browsing your webserver won't be able to download your scripts, just execute them the proper way.
[09:23] <Reuben> kubuntu makes me cry.
[09:23] <thunderstorm> i want to change text "abc" to "xyz" in all *.tpl files incl. all subdirectory's - is that possible?
[09:24] <Reuben> anyone know how to configure a broadcom wireless card?
[09:25] <jontec_> fdoving: I see a reference to the document root (which I cannot find inside the ,conf file): Will that affect my reference to the cgi-bin folder because it is in the home directory? I'm not sure how my server is setup now because I have php scripts in the public_html folder that run fine.
[09:25] <jontec_> fdoving: I also am only running this locally
[09:26] <guest1447> can somebody help me? i want to change text "abc" to "xyz" in all *.tpl files incl. all subdirectory's - is that possible?
[09:26] <Reuben> yes.
[09:27] <fdoving> jontec_: php scripts are not handled the same way as cgi scripts.
[09:27] <fdoving> jontec_: and no, the DocumentRoot doesn't affect your cgi-bin folder.
[09:27] <joscha> sed -e 's/\sabc/ xyz/g' -i *.tpl
[09:27] <guest1447> i think, its possible with the "sed" command - i can do that with single-files like overall_header.tpl - but i don't know how i can change all tpl-files
[09:27] <Reuben> joscha, that'd only do it in the current domain
[09:28] <Reuben> **directory
[09:29] <fdoving> guest1447: use find. something like 'find . -name "*.tpl"|xargs sed...
[09:30] <routh> Theoretically - If I have a laptop that the IDE is gone in, but it works great - and live cd's were too slow for me, I should be able to install Kubuntu on a USB hard drive and boot to it from a floppy correct?
[09:31] <joscha> routh:  yes... perhaps your mainboard can directly boot from the usb disk
[09:31] <jontec_> fdoving: so my directory reference would look like this? "<Directory "/home/*/public_html/cgi-bin"> and I would have to have on the line before it "Alias /cgi-bin/ "/home/*/public_html/cgi_bin"" ?
[09:31] <joscha> then you wouldn't need a floppy
[09:32] <fdoving> jontec_: ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/home/*/public_html/cgi-bin"
[09:32] <fdoving> jontec_: as i said before, i don't recommend having cgi-bin inside public_html
[09:33] <Ash-Fox> ARGHAWDADA I can't take these annoying Russians and Chinese contacting me on ICQ all the time.. Why can't kopete have privacy settings
[09:33] <T3hWiz0rd> why is it when i click administrator mode in the system settings the window gets a red ring around ti but never prompts me for a password
[09:33] <T3hWiz0rd> literally none of it is working
[09:34] <jontec_> fdoving: and then the directory entry (with the execcgi) below the line you just sent me? My school's linux admin (who is also a student) has it setup for all the users this way so that we can upload scripts. I'm trying to model the setup that he has.
[09:35] <jontec_> fdoving: for my testing before I distribute a copy
[09:35] <routh> joscha: was hoping so - but no such luck - cheap laptop brand - I need to load grub on a floppy - I used the alt install cd to install and then went into rescue mode and installed grub on a floppy - but I get a grub hard disk error - do I have to load some type of usb support?
[09:36] <fdoving> jontec_: yes, 'Option ExecCGI' below the first directory line.
[09:36] <jontec_> fdoving: now, where do I put it?
[09:37] <joscha> routh: grub can't open the kernel on the usbdisk when there is no support in the mainboard
[09:37] <joscha> you have to install the kernel on the floppy disk to
[09:37] <fdoving> jontec_: below the '<Directory "/home/*/public_html/cgi-bin">' line
[09:37] <fdoving> jontec_: and before the closing </Directory> line
[09:37] <guest1447> fdoving: you are wonderful - thats it ! :-)
[09:38] <fdoving> guest1447: glad you like me :)
[09:38] <routh> joscha: do you know a good tuturial I can use as guidance on that? installing the kernel on a disk other than the hard drive would be a new one for me
[09:39] <joscha> routh: sorry, i have never had to do this (luckily)
[09:39] <guest1447> fdoving: i have another question... can i compare two textfiles and save the differences in an seperate file?
[09:39] <routh> Anyone else know how to install a kernel and grub on a floppy?
[09:39] <fdoving> guest1447: yes, with 'diff'
[09:39] <jontec_> fdoving: I mean where do I put the whole thing as in the scriptalias and directory... I should have been more clear
[09:39] <fdoving> guest1447: 'man diff' for info.
[09:40] <guest1447> fdoving: thank you very much
[09:40] <fdoving> jontec_: ah.. you can put it in a separate file named whatever you want in /etc/apache2/conf.d/
[09:40] <joscha> routh: the problem would be that the default kubuntu kernel is > 1.44MB
[09:40] <joscha> and that usbstorage would have to be compiled-in
[09:41] <crazy_penguin> Good night to all!
[09:42] <fdoving> nite crazy_penguin.
[09:42] <routh> is there a cd or floppy that would allow me to boot from usb rather than the first hard disk which could work around this? Or would I be looking at compiling a custom kernel that could load the partition and then call the ubuntu kernel?
[09:42] <jontec_> fdoving: any kind of preamble or just the text that we discussed?
[09:42] <fdoving> jontec_: just the text.
[09:42] <fdoving> jontec_: with </Directory> at the end. to close the directive.
[09:44] <soulrider> does anyone here have experience with dual monitors ?
[09:44] <fdoving> soulrider: running two now.
[09:44] <soulrider> ok
[09:45] <soulrider> i followed the howto
[09:45] <soulrider> and i got 2 working
[09:45] <soulrider> but i wanna change the resolution
[09:45] <soulrider> and when i go to system settings
[09:45] <soulrider> in distaply
[09:45] <soulrider> it tells me one of ym modules is broken
[09:46] <fdoving> soulrider: try to run 'displayconfig' from kmenu -> run command..
[09:47] <fdoving> soulrider: make that 'kdesu displayconfig'
[09:47] <soulrider> yup
[09:47] <soulrider> i get this:
[09:47] <soulrider> the module Display could not be loaded:
[09:47] <fdoving> soulrider: from 'displayconfig' too?
[09:47] <soulrider> it sais that maybe during my last KDE upgrade an orphan control module was left
[09:47] <soulrider> yup
[09:48] <soulrider> want a screenshot ?
[09:48] <fdoving> soulrider: no, i know what it looks like.
[09:48] <soulrider> ok =)
[09:49] <BluesKaj> howdy, whats the command to upgrade to kde 3.5.5 ?
[09:49] <Hawkwind> fdoving: What was that command you gave me to fix the apt-get from telling me it wants to remove everything ?  And also the directory to delete ?
[09:49] <soulrider> i think you gotta add the kde repo
[09:49] <soulrider> and then just do update and dist-upgrade
[09:49] <soulrider> hey Hawkwind
[09:49] <Hawkwind> Hey soulrider
[09:50] <soulrider> i stole my dads monitor so im playing with dual displays :P
[09:50] <Hawkwind> Heh, very kewl
[09:50] <soulrider> yup yup
[09:50] <fdoving> Hawkwind: /var/lib/apt/extended_states is the file to delete if you want to remove all the packages from the autoremove list. and 'apt-mark unmarkauto <pkgs' to remove a list of packages from the autoremove list.
[09:50] <Hawkwind> fdoving: Thanks
[09:50] <fdoving> you're welcome :)
[09:51] <soulrider> so, fdoving any ideas? maybe configuring it by hand ?
[09:51] <soulrider> i also need to invert wich screen is on the right and which on the leftr
[09:52] <soulrider> these dual displays are quite glitchy =/
[09:52] <fdoving> soulrider: i did everything manually in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:52] <soulrider> O.O
[09:52] <fdoving> i can guide you if you want me to.
[09:53] <fdoving> or you can have my xorg.conf as a reference.
[09:53] <fdoving> or both.
[09:53] <soulrider> it would be cool, but i dont wanna waste your time since i wont be using them for too long
[09:53] <soulrider> my dad is gonna want his monitor back :P
[09:53] <soulrider> i think guiding is better
[09:53] <fdoving> i can put the xorg.conf online, you can try, if you get problems you can ask. if i'm busy with other stuff i simply don't aswer :)
[09:54] <soulrider> ok :)
[09:54] <charlotte> avond
[09:55] <fdoving> soulrider: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/xorg.conf
[09:55] <charlotte> vraagje... ik krijg m'n kersvers logitech quickcam express niet werkend...
[09:55] <soulrider> thanks!
[09:55] <charlotte> heb al op het forum gekeken, maar volgens de documentatie zou het met dapper gewoon moeten werken
[09:55] <soulrider> argh, i got an NVidia card
[09:55] <fdoving> !nl
[09:55] <ubotu> Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[09:55] <charlotte> whoops
[09:56] <charlotte> sorry
[09:56] <fdoving> soulrider: i think that's much about the same setup. don't know, i have ati on all computers.
[09:56] <charlotte> question - I can't seem to get my fresh logitech quickcam express working
[09:56] <soulrider> oh
[09:56] <Hawkwind> soulrider: http://SeerOfSouls.com/miscfiles/xorg.conf
[09:56] <Hawkwind> soulrider: I use Nvidia with twinview.  That's my xorg.conf file there
[09:56] <charlotte> I checked the forums and read there that it should be working out of the box in dapper
[09:57] <charlotte> but it doesn't :|
[09:57] <soulrider> grat!
[09:57] <soulrider> great*
[09:57] <soulrider> Hawkwind: same card :)
[09:57] <Hawkwind> soulrider: Nope.  I have an FX5200 actually :P
[09:58] <Hawkwind> soulrider: The card name doesn't mean anything.  I got that file from a friend when I installed Dapper :)
[09:58] <soulrider> oh lol k
[09:58] <[RV] ThaPriest> Hey, i just installed kubunto on my pc. And i manged to access my windows drives with my mp3's but i can't play them
[09:58] <soulrider> youre using composite? i wanna get that
[09:58] <soulrider> beryl or whatever :P
[09:59] <zorglu_> !mp3 > [RV] ThaPriest
[09:59] <Hawkwind> soulrider: I'm not, no
[09:59] <Hawkwind> soulrider: I have lines in there for an E17 module that does compositing, but I don't use it
[09:59] <soulrider> oh
[09:59] <zorglu_> q. under dapper, i got an important memory leak for 2 apps (eclipse and azureus) using java and gtk, does anybody knows if it is fixed in edgy ?
[09:59] <grasshopper> i've installed google earth but its not in my applications/Internet as its supposed to be?
[09:59] <soulrider> i was thinking of trying out SUSE
[09:59] <soulrider> until edgy comes out
[10:00] <Hawkwind> soulrider: Better hurry.  Edgy comes out in 12 days
[10:00] <soulrider> to eb hones, i dont understand anythign in xorg :P
[10:00] <fdoving> you'll miss apt.
[10:00] <soulrider> yea Hawkwind
[10:01] <soulrider> ive been using the beta
[10:01] <soulrider> sicne know 2 :P
[10:01] <soulrider> i upgraded from dapper
[10:01] <soulrider> but i got some broken packages and stuff
[10:01] <zorglu_> btw edgy will replace dapper ?
[10:01] <Hawkwind> I'm very seriously considering installing Edgy on this main box within the next couple of days
[10:01] <soulrider> i wanna make aclean installation
[10:01] <zorglu_> what is the status of edgy ? the new stable release ?
[10:01] <oworty> hola
[10:01] <Hawkwind> zorglu_: It won't replace it, no
[10:01] <soulrider> hola oworty
[10:01] <Hawkwind> zorglu_: It's simply the next release of the OS
[10:02] <soulrider> !es
[10:02] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:02] <grasshopper> you guys are brazen adrenalin junkies
[10:02] <oworty> gracias soulriver
[10:02] <soulrider> lol
[10:02] <Hawkwind> zorglu_: Edgy becomes final on the 26th of this month
[10:02] <grasshopper> fdoving: Edgy is not stable yet!
[10:02] <soulrider> ive been using edgy since knot 2 and it NEVER crashed
[10:02] <soulrider> actually, it allways worked better than dapper
[10:02] <oworty> tengo un problema con el ktorrent+
[10:02] <oworty> ktorrent
[10:02] <soulrider> !es
[10:02] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:02] <Hawkwind> grasshopper: Pretty darn close to it actually.  It's due out in 12 days so not far from being stable
[10:02] <zorglu_> Hawkwind: ok thanks
[10:02] <soulrider> o hablamos por PM
[10:02] <grasshopper> please don't keep talking about edgy, i'm gonna have to get it now!
[10:02] <oworty> ok gracias
[10:02] <soulrider> lol
[10:02] <soulrider> geeeet iiiiitttt
[10:02] <BluesKaj> Hawkwind, have you been using edgy ?
[10:03] <grasshopper> Hawkwind: 12 days is a long time
[10:03] <soulrider> less than 2 weeks :P
[10:03] <Hawkwind> grasshopper: LOL no it's not
[10:03] <grasshopper> alot can happen in 12 days
[10:03] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: For well over a month in vmware.  Hence why I'm about to make my main box Edgy too.  It's pretty darn stable
[10:03] <grasshopper> if it was ready they'd release it today wouldn't they?
[10:03] <BluesKaj> cool!
[10:03] <Hawkwind> grasshopper: Not really since most things are at a freeze version wise
[10:03] <soulrider> grasshopper: it never crashed on me :P
[10:03] <Hawkwind> grasshopper: No
[10:04] <soulrider> and im a n00b, i do all sorts of bad things to my system :P
[10:04] <Hawkwind> livingdaylight: Join #Ubuntu+1 and talk about edgy there.  They can tell you all about it
[10:04] <BluesKaj> vmware stable ? wow there's something new :)
[10:04] <Karol84PL> Hello, does anyone know an application to read .lit (Microsoft Reader Ebooks) files on Linux?
[10:04] <livingdaylight> Hawkwind: ok, never mind just give me the link, i need my fix now!
[10:04] <soulrider> BluesKaj: it is
[10:04] <soulrider> lol
[10:04] <livingdaylight> where can i get Edgy right now!
[10:04] <T3hWiz0rd> BluesKaj: what is unstable about vmware?
[10:05] <soulrider> change dapper to edgy in all source sin your repos
[10:05] <soulrider> and update :P
[10:05] <soulrider> easy as that
[10:05] <Hawkwind> livingdaylight: #Ubuntu+1
[10:05] <livingdaylight> soulrider: no, i aint doing that
[10:05] <Hawkwind> I would not suggest an update really
[10:05] <[RV] ThaPriest> zorglu_ i manged to run sudo apt-get install libmad0 libxine-extracodecs and so on
[10:05] <livingdaylight> soulrider: i'm stupid but not that stupid
[10:05] <soulrider> livingdaylight: thast how i updated my system
[10:05] <livingdaylight> crazy but not that crazy! hehe
[10:05] <soulrider> im NOT joking
[10:05] <BluesKaj> my experience with it wasn't anything to write home about, T3hWiz0rd
[10:06] <livingdaylight> soulrider: NO, i think you are joking... hehe
[10:06] <[RV] ThaPriest> but i got problems updating amarok
[10:06] <soulrider> read the wiki
[10:06] <jontec_> fdoving: same problem T_T
[10:06] <soulrider> i dont joke witht hat kinds of stuff
[10:06] <soulrider> if i did it would make me a terrible person
[10:06] <soulrider> \i know it sounds stupid, but thats how i did it
[10:06] <soulrider> ask anyone here how to upgrade
[10:06] <BluesKaj> T3hWiz0rd, had to reinstall a whole lotta drivers after it crashed my system
[10:07] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: How is vmware not stable ?
[10:07] <jontec_> fdoving: I tried renaming the files and everything, but to no avail.
[10:07] <T3hWiz0rd> BluesKaj: i even use vmware on a few big servers and stand behind it
[10:07] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: It's used to run many servers in this world.  I'd say it's pretty darn stable
[10:07] <fdoving> jontec_: did you restart apache?
[10:07] <BluesKaj> dunno how it's unstable Hawkwind, hust was on my AMD64
[10:07] <BluesKaj> just
[10:07] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: That's 64Bit stuff for ya.  It's far from ready for primetime
[10:08] <BluesKaj> servers ...I don't run servers
[10:08] <gupta> is it ok to upgrade libc6 from 6.0 to 6.6 ??
[10:08] <BluesKaj> running 32 bit dapper on my AMD64 ...runs fine
[10:08] <Hawkwind> gupta: You mean to get it from 6.10 and put it on 6.06 ?
[10:09] <gupta> stalonetray depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6); however:  Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.
[10:09] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Vmware is one of the most stable apps out there today really.  It wouldn't be used by major corporations for servers if it wasn't
[10:10] <soulrider> livingdaylight: you there ?
[10:10] <livingdaylight> yea
[10:10] <livingdaylight> soulrider: i'm downloading it now!
[10:10] <soulrider> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades chekc out stem number 2 in the upgrading using atp-get section
[10:10] <jontec_> fdoving: that'd be why. what's the command?
[10:10] <livingdaylight> soulrider: nah...upgrading is not my style
[10:11] <livingdaylight> soulrider: i'm a firm believer in the fresh install
[10:11] <BluesKaj> why use vitual machine in the firstplace? don't understand the advantages ?
[10:11] <soulrider> me too
[10:11] <fdoving> jontec_: 'sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart'
[10:11] <livingdaylight> soulrider: oh, good :)
[10:12] <Flosoft> hey
[10:12] <livingdaylight> soulrider: i thought you were pointing me to a apt-get distro-upgrade how to
[10:12] <raetsel99> handy for trying stuff out BluesKaj in a safe environment
[10:12] <Flosoft> what GUI can I use to manage WPA and WPA2 Connections?
[10:12] <Flosoft> maybe KNetworkManager?
[10:12] <soulrider> no, i was showing you that you can upgrade by changing the repos from dapper to edgy
[10:12] <soulrider> abd that i wasnt joking :P
[10:12] <Flosoft> what packages do I need for that?
[10:13] <raetsel99> and for example CentOS doesn't recognise my Sata card but in a VM machine under Kubuntu I can install and run Centos
[10:13] <livingdaylight> soulrider: lol, i know buddy... You can do that - its just not my style
[10:15] <jontec_> fdoving:'didn't ask me to download the file, but now I can't access my cgi-bin folder... O_o
[10:16] <jontec_> I can access the file... and it gives me an internal server error.
[10:16] <jontec_> I'm going to try one of those test scripts
[10:17] <blu3fir3> hey got a problem with ma avi files...   only found divx 4 codec and i need divx 5 someone can help ?
[10:17] <fille> Bonjour
[10:18] <blu3fir3> Bonjour fille :)
[10:18] <fille> On s'amuse avec Kubuntu
[10:18] <fdoving> jontec_: that's progress. the cgi-bin folder behaves like a real cgi-bin folder. you shouldn't be able to browse it and see the list of files.
[10:18] <raetsel99> formidable, fille :o)
[10:18] <fdoving> !fr
[10:18] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:19] <fille> d'accord
[10:21] <Rapidwolve> any body know
[10:21] <Rapidwolve> a good free ISO burner?
[10:21] <Rapidwolve> I need it to burn Kubuntu onto a blank cd
[10:22] <Kyral> k3b?
[10:22] <raetsel99> What o/s Rapidwolve?
[10:22] <Kyral> oh wait you meant for Windows...
[10:22] <Kyral> Nope sorry :P
[10:22] <Rapidwolve> yeah
[10:22] <Rapidwolve> z.z
[10:22] <jontec_> fdoving:the test script runs when it has the proper permissions.. 755.
[10:22] <Kyral> Rapidwolve: just get a CD from Shipit
[10:22] <fdoving> jontec_: great :)
[10:22] <jontec_> fdoving: but the other one doesn't, the fact that the test file is owned by root wouldn't have any effect would it?
[10:23] <Rapidwolve> Err why do that when I have the .iso file and a blank cd with me right now
[10:23] <Rapidwolve> ,kyral
[10:23] <fdoving> jontec_: not sure, try to change it then.
[10:23] <Kyral> Rapidwolve: do you have any other Linux live CDs laying around?
[10:23] <Rapidwolve> Ordering a CD and waiting 4 weeks would be the stupidest thing to do
[10:23] <Rapidwolve> and no
[10:23] <Kyral> (Preferably KNOPPIX)
[10:23] <Hawkwind> Rapidwolve: alcohol120
[10:23] <Kyral> yah and also burn a copy of Knoppix (IMO the best LiveCD going)
[10:24] <Rapidwolve> Hawkwind: is that free?
[10:24] <Hawkwind> Rapidwolve: Absolutely
[10:24] <raetsel99> have a look on downloads.zdnet.com Rapidwolve there are a few freeware burners on there
[10:24] <Rapidwolve> I always thought I had to pay for that o_O
[10:24] <T3hWiz0rd> Kyral: knoppix is annoying sometimes.
[10:24] <Hawkwind> Rapidwolve: http://www.sharewareriver.com/product.php?id=10870
[10:25] <jontec_> fdoving: it doesn't look like it... but let me try changing the owners of the others, they access other parts of my computer, I think
[10:25] <Kyral> T3hWiz0rd: for a general rescue style cd, its awesome
[10:25] <T3hWiz0rd> kubuntu live CD is also pretty good but lacks all the same tools.
[10:25] <Rapidwolve> I can install Kubuntu on a partition from hte Live CD right?
[10:25] <fdoving> Rapidwolve: yes.
[10:25] <Kyral> Rapidwolve: the Live has an installer
[10:25] <Kyral> but I've heard mixed reactions...
[10:26] <Kyral> (I always liked the Debian-based NCurses installer anyway...)
[10:26] <Rapidwolve> Ok good I was worried for a minute
[10:26] <T3hWiz0rd> Kyral: its aa highly compressed light distro installing from it can be a major pain later on.
[10:27] <raetsel99> yes rapidwolve just boot from live CD then click the Install icon on the desktop I've used it a  half dozen times on different machines no problem
[10:27] <T3hWiz0rd> i had a knoppix box once
[10:27] <Kyral> T3hWiz0rd: I never use Knoppix as an installed system :P
[10:27] <T3hWiz0rd> Kyral: i tried it... about 3 years ago there was a hype about knoppix goingf around
[10:27] <jontec_> fdoving: no, that doesn't help either, but we've been having trouble with this .pl file anyway... at least it's giving me a server error and not making me download it
[10:27] <jontec_> fdoving: thanks so much for your help this far, though. :D
[10:28] <Rapidwolve> So my dell 2400 can run kubuntu
[10:28] <Rapidwolve> stock btw
[10:29] <T3hWiz0rd> Rapidwolve: so can most other computers lol
[10:29] <fdoving> jontec_: i think you're up and running with perl cgis. now it's just writing usable scripts left :)
[10:29] <T3hWiz0rd> its been a long time since i used kubuntu last
[10:29] <Rapidwolve> Last time when I installed through netboot it gave me the network version for some reason :\
[10:30] <T3hWiz0rd> my last endulgance dapper was still highly beta.
[10:30] <Rapidwolve> like when it booted it was just a command line
[10:30] <Rapidwolve> x.x
[10:30] <T3hWiz0rd> now dapper is about to be cycled out for edgy
[10:30] <Rapidwolve> ubuntu drapper drake btw
[10:30] <T3hWiz0rd> I left the project for suse
[10:30] <T3hWiz0rd> Breezey was way too slow for me
[10:30] <T3hWiz0rd> I've come back now, trying dapper drake on a desktop computer... its changed a bit, nicer, leaner, faster.
[10:31] <BluesKaj> !Edgy Eft
[10:31] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[10:31] <T3hWiz0rd> kubuntu and I didn't get along very well at first.
[10:33] <T3hWiz0rd> hmmm theres no gui app that shows how much disk space is taken up?
[10:34] <T3hWiz0rd> one thing I like about kubuntu next to rpm based is that it seems to install lighter. I only issue 20GB to my / partition
[10:34] <T3hWiz0rd> and suse almost filled that up. I have all the same apps now and they're not even over 3 gb yet
[10:34] <BluesKaj> looks like edgy won't run well with frglx drivers...is this true ?
[10:35] <T3hWiz0rd> frglx? ati?
[10:37] <T3hWiz0rd> once i add the kde 3.5.5 repo i run apt-get update and then dist-upgrade right?
[10:37] <fdoving> T3hWiz0rd: correct.
[10:37] <T3hWiz0rd> fdoving: alright.
[10:37] <Flosoft> hey
[10:37] <Flosoft> does anyone know if Knetworkmanager and WPA2 work?
[10:37] <T3hWiz0rd> anyone in here ever get a uvc webcam to work?
[10:37] <Flosoft> it doesn't seem to work here
[10:38] <T3hWiz0rd> I have the kernel module for it but its... iffy...
[10:38] <BluesKaj> ok , I was going to try edgy right now but kubuntu-desktop won't install due to probs with language-selector-qt
[10:39] <T3hWiz0rd> BluesKaj: punch it in the head
[10:39] <T3hWiz0rd> be like "IM THE BOSS! ME! NOT YOU!"... works for me
[10:39] <T3hWiz0rd> BluesKaj: but then again, im married.
[10:39] <fdoving> Flosoft: should work, i can't confirm it does, since i don't use it.
[10:39] <Flosoft> well .. .any other GUI for WPA2?
[10:40] <BluesKaj> well, I guess this is why I still use a dual boot with windows...if something doesn't work in kubuntu I have a fallback ...
[10:40] <T3hWiz0rd> BluesKaj: 0.o!!!!!!!!
[10:40] <fdoving> Flosoft: wpagui
[10:40] <T3hWiz0rd> BluesKaj: I'm not your friend anymore... give me back the power ranger toy i gave you.
[10:40] <Rapidwolve> I booted Kubuntu from the Live CD and clicked install on the desktop
[10:40] <Rapidwolve> but nothing happens
[10:41] <Rapidwolve> can somebody help?
[10:41] <T3hWiz0rd> Rapidwolve: perhaps a bad spin?
[10:41] <BluesKaj> T3hWiz0rd, I'm married too ...for 41 yrs
[10:41] <T3hWiz0rd> my first 2 kubuntu CD's were rather jacked up.
[10:41] <T3hWiz0rd> BluesKaj: haha nice.
[10:41] <Rapidwolve> Is it possible to boot Kubuntu from Harddisk completely
[10:41] <Rapidwolve> instead of using the cd
[10:41] <Rapidwolve> because when I boot my computer it says Ubuntu but it looks like it needs the CD to run
[10:41] <Rapidwolve> and I dont like it like that
[10:42] <T3hWiz0rd> BluesKaj: i move around linux distros so often i keep my home folder backed up on a 5 GB thumbdrive... and my music and important files all sit on a 250gb drive that never gets edited and all back up to my server nightly
[10:43] <BluesKaj> yes Rapidwolve, you install kubuntu on a seperate partition
[10:43] <T3hWiz0rd> BluesKaj: so when i go to a new distro i format my / partition, preserve my /home, and keep a spare of /home just incase.
[10:43] <Rapidwolve> I ran the CD and it did all that partition stuff
[10:43] <Rapidwolve> but when i boot my computer
[10:43] <Rapidwolve> i select ubuntu
[10:43] <Rapidwolve> it reboots
[10:43] <BluesKaj> yeah, good policy T3hWiz0rd
[10:43] <Rapidwolve> and doesnt start it
[10:43] <T3hWiz0rd> alright, I gotta end session to load into kde 3.5.5 brb
[10:44] <Rapidwolve> im gonna try again
[10:44] <BluesKaj> Rapidwolve, do you see bootup screen with kubuntu in the list ?
[10:44] <BluesKaj> geezuz...linux takes patience
[10:45] <Kyral> Espcially if you use Gentoo :P
[10:45] <BluesKaj> Kyral :)
[10:46] <BluesKaj> I've gentoo is a bitch
[10:46] <BluesKaj> heard
[10:46] <Kyral> Well, once its going its fine
[10:46] <BluesKaj> the install
[10:46] <Kyral> unfortunately I was using Gentoo during my learning time with Linux...
[10:46] <Kyral> which meant I broke things on a daily basis and needed to reinstall often :P
[10:47] <BluesKaj>  started with debian
[10:47] <Kyral> Started with Slackware
[10:47] <yeti> Kyral, unfortunately?! gentoo is a great distro for your 'learning time', the downside is the compiling times
[10:47] <Kyral> Slackware is great too :P
[10:47] <BluesKaj> but i was so green i had no idea about cmd line uses etc
[10:48] <Kyral> Heh first thing I had to do was flash my BIOS because there was an error in the version that Windows worked around and Linux didn't
[10:48] <Kyral> (This is why I am skeptical of newbies whining that its hard :P)
[10:48] <ricanelite> Hello all what is XGL-Compiz??
[10:48] <Kyral> !xgl
[10:48] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:48] <BluesKaj> still pretty greennoob , but I like learning new stuff ...being retired gives me lots of time fiddle with this stuff :)
[10:48] <Kyral> Basically really frickin' awesome desktop eye candy
[10:49] <Kyral> (Windows Vista eat your heart out)
[10:49] <yeti> i think the most important thing about a linux distro is the package management, and i think that portage and apt are the best you can get
[10:49] <Kyral> pacman is nice too
[10:49] <yeti> never used arch, so i can't comment on that
[10:49] <BluesKaj> portage?
[10:49] <Kyral> Gentoo's package manager
[10:49] <BluesKaj> ok
[10:49] <yeti> rpm is a real pain though
[10:50] <Kyral> and IMO, Portage is the bastard stepchild of BSD's Ports :P
[10:50] <pacman> someone said my name?
[10:50] <Kyral> lol
[10:50] <BluesKaj> tried suse but i got to hate yast it was so f...ked up
[10:50] <manu_> someone speak italian?
[10:50] <BluesKaj> !it
[10:50] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:51] <manu_> ok bye
[10:51] <BluesKaj> yer welcome :)
[10:51] <yeti> i'm still unsure whether i like kde ;) i've been using ion3 for 2 years now, and am trying kde at the moment
[10:52] <Kyral> I've used prolly every WM out there
[10:52] <Kyral> I used to use GNOME, but design decisions in 2.14 pissed me off
[10:52] <Kyral> ..and GConf is too much like the Windows Registry
[10:52] <yeti> Kyral, i think that kde is nice because it has all those hal/dbus/automount stuff really well integrated
[10:53] <yeti> but compared to ion3 it's like all messy and slow imo
[10:53] <T3hWiz0rd> BluesKaj: i've always made good practice out of baking up. Its why i made my server.
[10:53] <Kyral> I use Fluxbox on my 5 year old laptop :P
[10:54] <yeti> fluxbox is great, too
[10:54] <yeti> but since i'm a big console fan, ion3 really rocks for me... it lacks window decorations though, so it's not really perfect for, say, firefox or k3b
[10:55] <Ace2016> Hi all
[10:55] <Ace2016> does the kubuntu dvd have extra packages? if so where can i obtain a list?
[10:55] <Kyral> Acutally on my laptop I have my ~/.xinitrc detect if I'm on AC power or Battery power and start KDE or Fluxbox depending on such
[10:55] <Ace2016> Is there an alternative install dvd also?
[10:56] <BluesKaj> got some  broken pkg sources
[10:56] <BluesKaj> time to redite my sources list
[10:56] <BluesKaj> re-edit
[10:58] <Rapidwolve> What is supposed to happen when I click Install on my Kubuntu desktop
[10:58] <Rapidwolve> is anything suppoesd to pop up?
[10:59] <Rapidwolve> ?
[11:01] <TIM67> HI my sound has stoped working,but the cd works fine can any some one please help
[11:02] <TIM67> im useing the amarok player
[11:02] <TIM67> Using*
[11:04] <igor> how i configure the programs that inicialize with the linux..?
[11:04] <igor> anbody knows?
[11:05] <TIM67> Try and be specific
[11:08] <Rapidwolve> Help!
[11:08] <fdoving> igor: when do you want it to start? at boot before login? or when you login? what typeof program?
[11:08] <Rapidwolve> When I boot Ubuntu it reboots my computer
[11:08] <Rapidwolve> here is my boot.ini
[11:08] <Rapidwolve> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\
[11:08] <Rapidwolve> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\="Ubuntu"
[11:08] <mkquist> !pastebin
[11:08] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:08] <Rapidwolve> Whats wrong?
[11:08] <mkquist> nm
[11:09] <mkquist> thought that might go long....=p
[11:09] <fdoving> Rapidwolve: ask ##windows if you have a boot.ini why don't you use grub?
[11:09] <Rapidwolve> Ahh ok I will thanks
[11:10] <_Shade_> how can i set up an xgl in kubuntu edgy?
[11:10] <igor> fdoving: hey...the problem is...when the linux starts...the program 'Kate' for example is already runing...how i chose the programs that will be already runningg when the system boots?
[11:10] <method|> _Shade_: what kind of video card?
[11:11] <method|> actually nevermind i missed the 'edgy' part of your question
[11:11] <xavier> hi where can i get help regarding STATIC SOUND for all TV stations in KdeTv?
[11:11] <igor> fdoving: in windows...i used 'msconfig'....in execute (run comand)
[11:11] <fdoving> igor: if you leave programs running when you logout they will be 'remembered' as something you want to start when logging in. if you just close the programs and login they should not be there.
[11:11] <_Shade_> method|: so does it make a difference ?
[11:12] <routh> would it be possible to use the ubuntu cd to start a system mounted on a usb disk with a manually entered root= command>
[11:12] <routh> ?
[11:12] <fdoving> igor: make that.. if you close the programs, logout and re-login they should be gone.
[11:12] <method|> honestly i wouldnt know
[11:12] <method|> i dont want to give you any bad direction since i have never used edgy
[11:12] <_Shade_> method|: well anyways my videocard is an archaic riva tnt 2
[11:13] <igor> fdoving: i know that...but is that possible to i chose a program to start when login
[11:13] <igor> always
[11:13] <igor> even when i closed it...
[11:13] <serishema> igor: add it to your ~/.Xsession?
[11:14] <igor> umm
[11:14] <igor> :)
[11:14] <fdoving> igor: yes, you can make a symlink to the binary in ~/.kde/Autostart/
[11:14] <_El_Chojin_> can someone help me to configure my modem?
[11:14] <igor> thanks.... :D
[11:14] <serishema> ah that probably works better
[11:14] <igor> good
[11:16] <clyrrad> Hello room - can someone please tell me how to change the Icon name for mounted shares?  By default it Puts "Remote Share (//blah blah) - I would like to rename it to say something like ShareFolder
[11:16] <xavier> hi where can i get help regarding STATIC SOUND for all TV stations in KdeTv?
[11:17] <nightwolf_> How do I change my nickname?
[11:17] <fdoving> nightwolf_: /nick newnickname
[11:17] <nightwolf_> Cool.
[11:18] <T3hWiz0rd> uhm... interesting
[11:18] <T3hWiz0rd> my 2 other partitions aren't recongnized as media anymore, just systme files?
[11:19] <clyrrad> does anyone know how to rename the ICON mounted shares that gets automatically placed on the desktop?
[11:19] <nothi> hello
[11:19] <coreymon77> is ceros here?
[11:20] <clyrrad> the name is to long and I would like to shorten it - but its getting set automatically...
[11:20] <nothi> i'm lookin; for persons using XGL @ kde
[11:20] <LjL> !xgl
[11:20] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:20] <nothi> hm?
[11:21] <The_Night_Wolf> How do I get the REAL Linux?
[11:21] <Tm_T> The_Night_Wolf: Define real.
[11:21] <Jonty> Is there a way in dpkg (or apt) to remove a package without it excepting it's post and prerm scripts?
[11:21] <Tm_T> The_Night_Wolf: Atleast my Kubuntu is imo very real. :)
[11:22] <The_Night_Wolf> I'm useing Ubuntu.  Is that's Linux?
[11:22] <Jonty> The_Night_Wolf: Are you joking, or don't you realise Linux is only the kernel on which distributions build on. The kernel isn't very useful on its own, but very useful with other programs serving
[11:22] <Tm_T> The_Night_Wolf: Yes.
[11:22] <The_Night_Wolf> Cool.
[11:22] <nothi> is there any other compiz/XGL installation HOWTO? i've got this one, there is a proble with missing packages. i've got all needed repos added. sudo apt-get install compiz xserver-xgl libgl1-mesa libglitz-glx1 compiz-gnome cgwd cgwd-themes compizthemer gconf-editor
[11:22] <Tm_T> Jonty: Don't split hairs, just mess his head more. ;)
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Tm_T, methinks he's pulling yer leg :)
[11:23] <Jonty> ok
[11:23] <nothi> i mean this one howto: http://noiesmo.dnsalias.net/article.php?story=20060602173658632
[11:23] <fdoving> Jonty: you can edit the scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.prerm , just add 'exit 0' somewhere near the top.
[11:23] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: As long as he don't shag, I'm fine. ;)
[11:23] <Jonty> ok
[11:24] <BluesKaj> ok Tm_T
[11:24] <coreymon77> is ceros around?
[11:24] <nothi> hmmm?
[11:24] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: Here you have to be ready to answer really weird questions sometimes as you see. ;)
[11:24] <fdoving> !away
[11:24] <ubotu> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[11:24] <fdoving> The_Night_Wolf: ^^
[11:25] <BluesKaj> yeah Tm_T , ive tried to answer a few myself altho i still have a lot to learn
[11:26] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: Sometimes answering is best way to learn. :)
[11:26] <Jonty> How to I get apt-get to tell me which scripts it is excecuting when?
[11:26] <Tm_T> Good night kids, behave and have fun. ->
[11:27] <fdoving> Jonty: what do you mean?
[11:27] <BluesKaj> Tm_T, gawd i hope so :)
[11:28] <Jonty> I want to know when it is excecuting the scripts, like postrm and things. I want to make the output more verbose
[11:28] <Jonty> I think I know the dpkg option to do it - how would I do it in Apt?
[11:29] <fdoving> Jonty: what's the dpkg option?
[11:30] <Jonty> -D-Doctal | --debug=octal
[11:30] <Jonty> is the line from the man page, so, say --debug=10
[11:31] <fdoving> you can't do that with apt-get with a switch.. as far as i know..
[11:31] <fdoving> or with -o you can do much about everything. but i don't know what configuration option it would be.
[11:32] <Jonty> Ah, I'm trying to remove something - of course, I can actually do it with dpkg. Never mind.
[11:34] <fdoving> Jonty: you can try to set dpkg options with apt-get with 'apt-get -o DPkg::Options "--debug=10"'
[11:34] <Jonty> ah, Ill bear it in mind
[11:34] <BluesKaj> dpkg -i file directoty/file
[11:36] <Jonty> Whoever it was who told me how to stop postrm scripts excecuting, thankyou very much. It's helped me sort out a major annoyance.
[11:36] <fdoving> :)
[11:36] <T3hWiz0rd> !dvd
[11:36] <ubotu> See http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html  Libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[11:37] <coreymon77> anywho
[11:37] <coreymon77> i got kde 3.5.5 installed and working
[11:37] <coreymon77> whats the dif?
[11:37] <T3hWiz0rd> coreymon77: its 3.5.5
[11:38] <T3hWiz0rd> and .5 is 1337!!!
[11:38] <coreymon77> between 3.5 and 2.5.5
[11:38] <thelostbyte> Help, Could not find kdeinit ?
[11:38] <coreymon77> ???
[11:38] <T3hWiz0rd> coreymon77: just some bug fixes a lil better stability.
[11:39] <Martijn81> where should one complain when some packages from kubuntu.org aren't signed?
[11:39] <coreymon77> i guess that there wont be any actual real noticible changes till kde 4 right?
[11:40] <T3hWiz0rd> odd, some of my media isn't showing up
[11:40] <Rapidwolve> Help! How do I boot Kubuntu from my Hard disk
[11:42] <Jonty> Rapidwolve: Have you installed it?
[11:42] <scion> hello
[11:43] <Rapidwolve> Jonty: Im not sure
[11:43] <Rapidwolve> I put in the CD, and then i clicked install on the desktop. When I clicked Ubuntu after reboot it just kept rebooting my computer.
[11:43] <Rapidwolve> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\="Ubuntu"
[11:43] <Rapidwolve> that was what was in my boot.ini
[11:43] <Rapidwolve> in C:\
[11:44] <clyrrad> is there a way to rename mounted media?
[11:45] <method|> clyrrad: check out /etc/fstab
[11:45] <method|> man fstab
[11:45] <clyrrad> method - yes that is where I mount the media
[11:45] <scion> !fstab
[11:45] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file lists all drives and partitions that are mounted on the system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !partitions
[11:45] <coreymon77> guys
[11:45] <clyrrad> but is it possible to set a name for whats mounted?
[11:46] <coreymon77> is it possible to install firefox 2 through apt
[11:46] <clyrrad> I have it mounting 2 network shares
[11:46] <coreymon77> or do i have to do it manually
[11:46] <clyrrad> in fstab
[11:47] <coreymon77> guys
[11:47] <coreymon77> is there ff2 rc2 in a repo anywhere
[11:48] <coreymon77> or am i forced the old fashioned way
[11:48] <Di> hi, can someone help me with automatix please :(
[11:48] <Martijn81> coreymon77: very unlikely for dapper, maybe in edgy, if lucky
[11:48] <coreymon77> so i have to do it the old fashioned way?
[11:48] <clyrrad> scion - the link that you send me does not show how to name the mounted device - just how to mount it - I am already able to mount the shares - I just want to change the name that appears on the desktop - how can I do this?
[11:49] <Whopper> :)
[11:49] <coreymon77> hey guys
[11:49] <fdoving> !automatix > di
[11:49] <coreymon77> this is my friend whopper
[11:49] <Whopper> hey coreymon :)
[11:49] <scion> clyrrad: can you not right click and edit it in properties
[11:49] <coreymon77> ive just revently converted him to kubuntu
[11:49] <clyrrad> nope
[11:49] <clyrrad> I already tried that
[11:50] <coreymon77> so hes just hanging around here to learn a bit before his cds arrive
[11:50] <Martijn81> coreymon77: yep, or you have to find some source on the internet you can add to sources.list (but you should be able to trust the source AND the source should be for dapper, so that's unlikely)
[11:50] <clyrrad> in Properties the name is set how I want it - but on the desktop that is not how it appears.....
[11:50] <Whopper> yea, they take so long :(
[11:51] <coreymon77> lets make sure his first linux experience is a good one, okay guys
[11:51] <coreymon77> ?
[11:51] <clyrrad> by default it puts "Remote Share (//path/to/share) ShareName"
[11:51] <Di> hi, i know what automatix is, i added the automatix Repositoy but when i want to update the automatix-en package it says 'broke'
[11:51] <clyrrad> but I want the icon to only show the "ShareName"
[11:52] <clyrrad> there must be a way to do this somehow - but for the life of me I cant find it
[11:52] <clyrrad> getting no luck on Google either
[11:52] <Whopper> Hey.
[11:52] <Martijn81> coreymon77: from normal sources, firefox 2.0 is only in edgy, look here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=firefox&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[11:53] <coreymon77> okay
[11:53] <Whopper> I'm wondering if I should have put (for example: 1111 Wally St. for my address to get the cds; I put 1111 E. Wally Blvd. which is what it says on he sign, is that right?
[11:53] <coreymon77> iif thats the case
[11:53] <coreymon77> i can just do it the old fashioned way
[11:53] <larson9999> wholly smokes!  i bought a p4 at the salvation army for $30.  it's got one of those cases in which the cards aren't held in by screws.  every time i boot at least one of the cards isn't making a good connection.  i reseat one and mess another up.  finally got them all situation but not before i went completing insane
[11:53] <coreymon77> it should be alright
[11:53] <Whopper> ok :)
[11:54] <The_Night_Wolf> How do I get "wine" for Ubuntu?
[11:55] <gingillo> hi, i'd like to download some programs from adept, can someone give me some urls to add?
[11:55] <larson9999> The_Night_Wolf, i add "deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main" to my sources list and then 'sudo apt-get update' ,'sudo apt-get install wine'
[11:55] <fdoving> The_Night_Wolf: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine
[11:55] <clyrrad> The_Night_Wolf - use APT-GET
[11:56] <gingillo> im a real newb in linux ambient, :P
[11:56] <gingillo> oh, they are called "repositories"
[11:58] <larson9999> gingillo, i don't know what the sop in here is, but i think the unofficial ubuntu guide does a good job of spelling things out for setting things up.  one caveat is some of the programs it tells you to use might be gnome and you'd have to figure out the kde equivalent or install the particular app it talks about.  give it a go if you like: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper
[11:58] <The_Night_Wolf> I'm at: http://winehq.org/site/download-deb now how do I download it?
[11:59] <larson9999> The_Night_Wolf, did you get my post?
[11:59] <clyrrad> use wget to download it
[11:59] <fdoving> clyrrad: what do you do to get the samba share icon onto the desktop? i can't even make it appear :)
[11:59] <larson9999> The_Night_Wolf, i add "deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main" to my sources list and then 'sudo apt-get update' ,'sudo apt-get install wine'
[11:59] <clyrrad> fdoving - i MOUNT the share
[11:59] <larson9999> The_Night_Wolf, that's the easiest way, IMHO
[11:59] <fdoving> clyrrad: do you have it in fstab?
[12:00] <clyrrad> as soon as  you mount it - an icon gets placed on your desktop
[12:00] <clyrrad> yes in fstab
[12:00] <clyrrad> but I cant figure out how to name the ICON
[12:00] <clyrrad> its set by default and I cant find where to rename it
[12:00] <clyrrad> it makes a big ugly name - and I want it to be 1 line and say Share Folder
[12:00] <The_Night_Wolf> What one do I get at: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/
[12:01] <clyrrad> I cant see if fstab has an option that lets you set a "user firendly" name for the mount
[12:01] <larson9999> The_Night_Wolf, you just add that to your repository list and then do a 'sudo apt-get update'  then 'sudo apt-get install wine'
[12:01] <T3hWiz0rd> if i want to have uptime post on my /etc/motd how would I do that?
[12:01] <T3hWiz0rd> like what command would I add?
[12:01] <larson9999> The_Night_Wolf do you know how to add a repository?
[12:02] <The_Night_Wolf> I did: "sudo apt-get install wine" and it's installing I think.
[12:03] <larson9999> The_Night_Wolf, that repository gets updated pretty quickly with the new versions of wine.  check which version you're installing.  it might be old.
[12:03] <The_Night_Wolf> How do I start "wine"?
[12:04] <larson9999> The_Night_Wolf, maybe you should do as fdoving said, "The_Night_Wolf: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine"  you really need to read a bit about it.
[12:05] <larson9999> The_Night_Wolf, or winehq
[12:05] <The_Night_Wolf> Okay.
[12:05] <clyrrad> I found the answer to my quesion - since no one seemed to know - here it is - hope it saves someone else trouble: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RenameUSBDrive
[12:06] <fdoving> clyrrad: glad you found it, and thanks for letting me know the solution :)
[12:06] <fdoving> i'll call it a day. nite all.
[12:06] <pierres> hello, I'm french
[12:07] <blackflag> I can not login to webmin as root
[12:07] <pierres> I want to have a iso image of Ubuntu on Kubuntu, and
[12:07] <blackflag> I changed the password but can not login
[12:07] <fdoving> blackflag: known bug, in konsole,run 'sudo passwd' to set a root password, then you'll be able to login to webmin.
[12:07] <blackflag> can someone help
[12:07] <pierres> it's always an error: binaries and so one
[12:07] <fdoving> blackflag: if that doesn't work i don't know.
[12:08] <fdoving> i'm off to bed anyway.. gnite.
[12:08] <pierres> who knows how to load an iso image on Kubuntu?
[12:08] <gsnedders> does Kubuntu (and Amorak) support AAC out of the box?
[12:09] <larson9999> pierres, you mean mount it so you can see what's on it?
[12:09] <danny500> #icculus.org/quake2
[12:09] <Rapidwolve> Can somebody please help em
[12:10] <Rapidwolve> Somebody please help me with my linux installation
[12:10] <Rapidwolve> I downloaded the LiveCD but now I want to boot from my hard disk
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Rapidwolve, what's your problem?
[12:11] <Rapidwolve> BluesKaj, well before I booted from the liveCD of Kubuntu Drapper drake, clicked Start or Install Kubuntu
[12:11] <Rapidwolve> Then I logged on and clicked the install icon on the desktop
[12:11] <Rapidwolve> But nothing happened and when I rebooted my computer it had two options, Windows XP Home Edition and Ubuntu
[12:11] <Rapidwolve> I selected Ubuntu but everytime i select it it just keeps rebooting my computer
[12:11] <The_Night_Wolf> You need to change your BIOS to boot from CD-ROM first then your HD 2nd.
[12:12] <danny500> !quake 2
[12:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about quake 2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:12] <danny500> !quake
[12:12] <ubotu> Quake runs natively under linux see http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/quake4/ for details
[12:12] <Rapidwolve> The thing is, the_night_wolf, I want to boot Kubuntu from my hard drive
[12:12] <BluesKaj> yeah, take yer cd out of the drive
[12:12] <Rapidwolve> and throw the CD away
[12:12] <Rapidwolve> BluesKaj, I tried that it still kept rebooting it
[12:12] <Rapidwolve> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\="Ubuntu"
[12:12] <Rapidwolve> That is what is in my boot.ini
[12:13] <Rapidwolve> along with my other window's stuff