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| Riddell | Kamion: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/66022 | 12:31 |
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| Ubugtu | Malone bug 66022 in ubiquity "Can't pass map page in Kubuntu Ubiquity" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 12:31 |
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| Kamion | Riddell: "won't let" as in the forward button isn't displayed? | 12:36 |
| Kamion | oh, enabled, hmm | 12:37 |
| Kamion | ok, probably due to the back/forward handling changes I made; I'll investigate | 12:37 |
| Kamion | need to do another ubiquity upload before RC anyway to back out the orca stuff | 12:37 |
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| Kamion | Riddell: ah, the problem is that it doesn't think a timezone is selected until slightly after the decision whether to enable the forward button is made | 12:43 |
| Riddell | Kamion: how fixable is that? | 12:45 |
| Kamion | Riddell: well, it works in GTK, shouldn't be too hard to fix | 12:45 |
| Kamion | Riddell: I'm happy to take care of it | 12:46 |
| Kamion | in the meantime, the workaround is either to go back/forward as you did, or just to click on a city on the map | 12:46 |
| Riddell | I did click on a city | 12:46 |
| Kamion | er. worked for me. | 12:48 |
| Kamion | which city? | 12:48 |
| Kamion | oh, hey, I see what you mean | 12:48 |
| Kamion | it's probably related ... | 12:48 |
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| Kamion | elif city == "Edinburgh": | 12:50 |
| Kamion | self.city = "London" | 12:50 |
| Kamion | sigh :) | 12:50 |
| Kamion | oh, right, got at least part of it | 12:51 |
| Kamion | missing conversion to allow_go_forward | 12:52 |
| Kamion | well, that was easy | 12:54 |
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| Kamion | keescook: re bug 65616, exit code 10 is often debconf's "bad parameters" exit code | 01:02 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65616 in torrentflux "Upgrade fails" [Undecided,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65616 | 01:02 |
| keescook | Kamion: good to know; I haven't had time to dig much further with it yet. | 01:03 |
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| Kamion | which can include "the question you tried to operate on doesn't exist" | 01:03 |
| jdong | evening | 01:03 |
| Kamion | also, this should be done to debian/torrentflux.prerm, although it's not the cause of the bug: | 01:03 |
| keescook | Kamion: what's the best way to get all the debugging output from these kinds of situations? | 01:03 |
| Kamion | - db_input torrentflux/restart-webserver high || true | 01:03 |
| Kamion | + db_input high torrentflux/restart-webserver || true | 01:03 |
| Kamion | keescook: DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer in the environment turns on debconf debugging, and will tell you exactly what the problem is if the exit code 10 is coming from debconf | 01:04 |
| keescook | okay, thanks. | 01:05 |
| Kamion | mdz,tfheen: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/ubiquity-1.2.1.diff - OK to upload? | 01:09 |
| mdz | Kamion: absoloodle | 01:11 |
| Kamion | ta | 01:16 |
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| Kamion | oh, damnit, I meant to fix bug 62479 before release - I guess it's not technically RC but it's an easy and fairly innocent-looking way to get ubiquity to crash | 01:42 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 62479 in ubiquity "canonicalise grub device names" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/62479 | 01:42 |
| pirast | any xubuntu dev around? | 01:43 |
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| FireRabbit | hey, im trying to set up an apt mirror, do i need an account to rsync from the servers listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive ? | 01:45 |
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| FireRabbit | oh nevermind, i see .. the documentation on the website is horribly wrong | 01:50 |
| Burgwork | FireRabbit: which website? | 01:51 |
| FireRabbit | i found this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Debmirror | 01:52 |
| FireRabbit | i guess this page is supposed to be the official documentation, but it doesnt explain how to do anything other than mirror EVERYTHING http://www.ubuntu.com/download/mirror | 01:52 |
| FireRabbit | (it doesnt mention debmirror at all) | 01:54 |
| Burgwork | FireRabbit: both of those pages are wikis | 01:55 |
| Burgwork | please fix them | 01:55 |
| FireRabbit | huh? /download/mirror isnt a wiki | 01:55 |
| Burgwork | for that, file a bug against ubuntu-website | 01:55 |
| FireRabbit | ok | 01:55 |
| FireRabbit | ill rewrite the Debmirror page as soon as i get it set up here | 01:55 |
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| gnomefreak | dholbach << is that his nick? | 02:57 |
| azeem | somebody is impersonating him right now | 02:58 |
| gnomefreak | working on banning him if i find out he is | 02:59 |
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| doko | mdz, Kamion, infinity: please approve openoffice.org 2.0.4-0ubuntu1, survives oosmoketest on i386 | 03:49 |
| doko | infinity: please build on palmer | 03:49 |
| BHSPitLappy | can anyone tell me, has keybuk just not been on in a few days, or do I just not coincide with the right hours of the day? | 03:51 |
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| ajmitch | BHSPitLappy: wrong time of day | 03:52 |
| BHSPitLappy | oh... | 03:53 |
| BHSPitLappy | so I might catch him tomorrow morning then? | 03:53 |
| BHSPitLappy | since the school week has ended | 03:53 |
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| ajmitch | perhaps | 03:53 |
| BHSPitLappy | well thanks | 03:53 |
| wasabi | Kernel panic - not syncing: no cpio magic. I ask here because I'm hacking my boot loader. =) | 03:55 |
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| wasabi | What's expected out of Ubuntu's initrds? | 03:55 |
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| Riddell | tfheen, mdz: kubuntu-default-settings uploaded to fix some issues and do the artwork Ken said, http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/k-d-s.debdiff | 04:16 |
| Riddell | tfheen, mdz: also kdelibs to fix printing issues, just a revertion to the 3.5.4 code | 04:16 |
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| samuel | you guys to a wicked job... | 04:22 |
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| infinity | doko: No -l10n upload to go with it? | 04:32 |
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| infinity | keescook: netkit-base fix approved. | 04:47 |
| infinity | doko: openoffice was pre-approved at the meeting, afaict, so accepting and building it. | 04:47 |
| infinity | keescook: autogen fix approved at well. | 04:50 |
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| infinity | Hug yourself instead, you're doing great work. | 05:05 |
| infinity | Nice catch on pitti's ping.c breakage, BTW. | 05:05 |
| Hobbsee | infinity: but hugging oneself tends to looks weird. | 05:05 |
| infinity | Hobbsee: Still feels oddly comforting sometimes, though. | 05:06 |
| Hobbsee | true that | 05:06 |
| keescook | infinity: thanks. :) | 05:06 |
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| ajmitch | infinity: not only that, he caught the same issue in the john debdiff | 05:08 |
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| keescook | ajmitch: well, you mentioned you'd seen the fix before; else I would never have seen pitti's. :) | 05:09 |
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| infinity | keescook: You're booked for UDS-MV, right? | 05:14 |
| keescook | infinity: I'll be there, but the booking folks are running behind with me for some reason. clan is on it. :) | 05:14 |
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| infinity | keescook: I think I already owe you a drink or two, which may be a new record for a new employee. | 05:14 |
| keescook | woohoo! :) | 05:14 |
| keescook | I think I owe pitti drinks forever. :) | 05:15 |
| infinity | given that my very first exposure to you was reverting one of your uploads, things are looking up. ;) | 05:15 |
| ajmitch | heh | 05:15 |
| ajmitch | that's a good improvement | 05:15 |
| wasabi | Hmm. Where's the best place to get teh debian/ dir for building a debian kernel image? | 05:16 |
| keescook | infinity: *sob* yeah. that was bad build environment #1. #2 was on python breakage. #3 is looking up (sbuild+schroot+lvm snapshots) | 05:17 |
| infinity | keescook: Fancy. I just use a chroot cleaning script. LVM snapshotting sounds saner, but was never high on my TODO. :) | 05:18 |
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| keescook | it's really sweet. Writing up a wiki for it is on my list. | 05:19 |
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| ajmitch | keescook: I'd like to see that - currently I just use pbuilder | 05:20 |
| keescook | ajmitch: cool, I'll write it up tomorrow. | 05:21 |
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| infinity | My directory naming scheme leaves something to be desired... | 05:28 |
| infinity | adconrad@lucifer:~/fuck/ktorrent-2.0.3$ | 05:28 |
| infinity | I don't think I was in the best of moods last night. :) | 05:28 |
| keescook | heh | 05:29 |
| infinity | 109474 | S- | agave | 0.4.0-0ubuntu3 | 33 minutes | 05:33 |
| infinity | | * agave/0.4.0-0ubuntu3 Component: universe Section: gnome | 05:33 |
| infinity | ajmitch: Was that uploaded with your approval? | 05:33 |
| infinity | Hobbsee: Or, rather, would you like to tell ajmitch why I should accept it? :) | 05:34 |
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| ajmitch | I'm thinking we should get people to attach debdiffs in malone for things they upload | 05:35 |
| ajmitch | given that everyone is just fixing bugs now | 05:35 |
| infinity | Up to your. Your workflow, your process. :) | 05:36 |
| infinity | I'm just driving the big red button. | 05:36 |
| ajmitch | approve agave, if you will - Hobbsee did put the changelog in there :) | 05:36 |
| infinity | Accepted. | 05:36 |
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| keescook | is there a way to make sure an otherwise not-autoloaded module loads at boot-time? (Normally I'd just echo module >> /etc/modules ...) | 05:41 |
| infinity | That would do it, yes. | 05:41 |
| infinity | If you need it in the initrd, you cant it in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, if you can wait until after / is mounted, /etc/modules | 05:42 |
| keescook | so no magic debian tool to do it Right? | 05:42 |
| keescook | yeah, totally afterwards. | 05:42 |
| infinity | s/cant it/can put it/ | 05:42 |
| infinity | No idea what my fingers were thinking there... | 05:43 |
| keescook | I think it's a bug that lvm tools don't attempt to load the snapshot module when you ask it to do snapshot work. | 05:43 |
| infinity | Yeah, I'd call that a bug in the tools. | 05:43 |
| infinity | Manual module loading in /etc/*/modules should really be a last resort. | 05:43 |
| keescook | yup, that's why I was wondering. :) | 05:44 |
| infinity | There used to be a Debian tool back in the boot-floppies days (so, woody?) that listed all the modules based on descriptions from modinfo, would let you try to insert them, etc, and would append to /etc/modules as appropriate. | 05:44 |
| keescook | heh | 05:45 |
| infinity | I can't seem to find it on my system now, so I assume we did away with it when we decided that hardware detection actually worked well enough to not require it. | 05:45 |
| keescook | yeah, normally udev and friends handle it all, but not for the LVM tools (dm_mirror for pvmove, and dm_snapshot for lvcreate) | 05:46 |
| infinity | Yeah, it's my opinion that any userspace utility that needs a kernel module should really be trying to load it on the fly. | 05:46 |
| keescook | and the error message is really not helpful. :) | 05:47 |
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| Hobbsee | infinity: ajmitch: was a 1 line fix. and ajmitch will accept it, else havoc will come to him when he next visits sydney :P | 05:59 |
| ajmitch | threats won't help. much | 05:59 |
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| Hobbsee | ajmitch: much. | 06:00 |
| ajmitch | but thanks for putting the changelog on the bug :) | 06:00 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 06:00 |
| ajmitch | just don't close it so quick next time, it makes it harder to find | 06:00 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: what, instead of my "fixed, thanks" way? | 06:01 |
| ajmitch | fix committed, not fix released | 06:01 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: just subscribe to the entire bugtracker, like you do for the wiki. no more problem | 06:01 |
| Hobbsee | then i tend to forget about ever marking it as released | 06:01 |
| ajmitch | ubuntu-bugs mailing list, great thing | 06:01 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, well | 06:02 |
| Hobbsee | so you shouldnt have a trouble finding the bug. | 06:02 |
| ajmitch | sigh | 06:02 |
| ajmitch | you just want to make things hard for me, I know it | 06:02 |
| Hobbsee | indeed. | 06:02 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: you mean you didnt know that before? | 06:03 |
| ajmitch | oh I knew | 06:03 |
| Hobbsee | you just underestimated, it seems. | 06:03 |
| ajmitch | obviously | 06:04 |
| ajmitch | we shall have to discuss this later | 06:04 |
| Hobbsee | hah. later when? | 06:05 |
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| fabbione | morning | 06:05 |
| ajmitch | hi fabbione | 06:05 |
| ajmitch | you're up early :) | 06:05 |
| fabbione | as usual | 06:06 |
| Hobbsee | hey fabbione! | 06:06 |
| fabbione | yoyo | 06:06 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: lets be fair here. if i wanted to make life hard for you, i'd make sure the search was disabled for you in mutt. | 06:08 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: it takes a little while to search on 140K bug mails | 06:09 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: then you need a quicker search algorithm. or maybe to just delete some of the mail | 06:09 |
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| fabbione | infinity: ping? | 06:34 |
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| Hobbsee | BenC: it seems like the latest update has broken some people's X. you want syslogs, xorg.0.logs, from them? | 07:14 |
| BenC | Hobbsee: If it broken i965, then I blame Intel | 07:14 |
| tfheen | k-d-s looks good to me, approved if nobody else has approved it yet. | 07:15 |
| BHSPitMonkey | why do I always hear this kind of stuff WHILE synaptic is updating | 07:15 |
| tfheen | Kamion: ubiquity looks good, approved (if mdz hasn't already) | 07:15 |
| Hobbsee | BenC: at least 1 is a nvidia card. | 07:16 |
| tfheen | hiya Sarah | 07:16 |
| Hobbsee | hey tfheen :) | 07:16 |
| BenC | Hobbsee: Can you point me to some info? Nothing I just uploaded should break X in any way | 07:17 |
| BHSPitMonkey | Hobbsee, are you looking for users of that specific card, or users of the broad i9xx category | 07:17 |
| Hobbsee | BenC: i've been trying to grab the people who *arent* running beryl. There are two on irc so far. | 07:17 |
| Hobbsee | the beryl-running people are screaming the loudest though. in #ubuntu+1 | 07:18 |
| BHSPitMonkey | that's because they're the most concerned with visuals | 07:18 |
| BenC | i965 is probably broken, but then again i965 drm/dri never worked before the latest kernel | 07:19 |
| Hobbsee | BenC: chuckyp is one user, if you wanted to query him. i cant debug X terribly well - only what i learned when mine broke | 07:19 |
| BenC | and the problem is userspace i965_dri.so in mesa, not the kernel driver | 07:19 |
| Hobbsee | apparently the update was due to a kernel | 07:19 |
| Hobbsee | ahh right | 07:19 |
| tritium | Hobbsee: Toshiba acpi? | 07:19 |
| Hobbsee | tritium: that was mine, yes. | 07:20 |
| tritium | Hobbsee: me too. All better now :) | 07:20 |
| === Hobbsee got her computer running about 10 degrees C hotter than usual, from that :P | ||
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: and you were so ready to blame GNOME, too | 07:20 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: that was later. much later. | 07:20 |
| BenC | if i965 is causeing problems, I suggest "sudo rm -f /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so" | 07:20 |
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| Hobbsee | hmmm. seems that the problem isnt fixed in .31, so it's not a kernel problem | 07:22 |
| Hobbsee | sorry for the noise | 07:22 |
| BenC | Hobbsee: See my last comment wrt to i965 | 07:23 |
| Hobbsee | BenC: yep, saw it, thanks | 07:24 |
| fabbione | hey BenC ! | 07:24 |
| BenC | hey fabio | 07:24 |
| fabbione | BenC: do you think you can look at sparc-utils FTBFS? | 07:24 |
| BenC | fabbione: in the morning, just heading to bed | 07:24 |
| fabbione | otherwise i can look at it later, but the error is a bit obscure to me | 07:24 |
| fabbione | sure that would do fine | 07:24 |
| fabbione | thanks man! | 07:25 |
| BenC | np | 07:25 |
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| keescook | infinity, ajmitch: I've got a prototype for my sbuild/schroot/lvm script up: | 08:15 |
| keescook | http://people.ubuntu.com/~kees/scripts/mk-sbuild-lv.sh | 08:15 |
| ajmitch | yay, thanks | 08:15 |
| keescook | no problemo. I'm off to bed. *wave* | 08:16 |
| ajmitch | now I should modify it to work with xen :) | 08:16 |
| keescook | heh | 08:17 |
| ajmitch | though I think that sbuild should be getting xen support soon | 08:17 |
| keescook | probably need to patch schroot for that. | 08:17 |
| keescook | nice | 08:17 |
| ajmitch | yep | 08:17 |
| ajmitch | I should find out where that's at | 08:17 |
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| imbrandon | eh | 08:18 |
| keescook | I haven't tried it lately, but pre-3.0 hand nasty whole-system hangs when using LVM snapshots. Hopefully that's fixed by now. | 08:18 |
| keescook | oh, and as noted in the script's comments, see my patch to schroot to handle stray processes in the chroot when shutting down: | 08:19 |
| keescook | at the end of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=391319 | 08:19 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 391319 in schroot "schroot: leftover processes cause umount to fail" [Normal,Open] | 08:19 |
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| ajmitch | night keescook | 08:20 |
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| ogra | Seveas, Bug 65693 is no bug in usplash, our progressbar image is broken | 11:18 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65693 in edubuntu-artwork "progressbar is distorted " [Medium,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65693 | 11:18 |
| ogra | but i'll happily try a fixed usplash as well indeed | 11:19 |
| fabbione | ajmitch: 4000 pkgs to go in universe/multiverse | 11:23 |
| fabbione | ajmitch: main/restricted are almost done | 11:23 |
| Tonio_ | tfheen: ping ? | 11:23 |
| infinity | 109473 | S- | kubuntu-default-sett | 1:6.10-58 | 7 hours 20 minutes | 11:26 |
| infinity | | * kubuntu-default-settings/1:6.10-58 Component: main Section: kde | 11:27 |
| infinity | 109420 | S- | xorg-server | 1:1.1.1-0ubuntu12 | 14 hours | 11:27 |
| infinity | | * xorg-server/1:1.1.1-0ubuntu12 Component: main Section: x11 | 11:27 |
| infinity | tfheen: Were either of those approved at any point? | 11:27 |
| fabbione | infinity: who uploaded xorg-server? | 11:27 |
| Hobbsee | infinity: i think the k-d-s ones were. if that's the change to adept, and font. | 11:27 |
| infinity | Changed-By: Sebastien Bacher <seb128@canonical.com> | 11:28 |
| infinity | xorg-server (1:1.1.1-0ubuntu12) edgy; urgency=low | 11:28 |
| infinity | . | 11:28 |
| infinity | * debian/patches/17_no_composite_for_xvfb.patch: | 11:28 |
| infinity | - fix a crasher by not using composite for Xvfb when using -render | 11:28 |
| infinity | * debian/patches/18_no_composite_for_xvfb_run.patch: | 11:28 |
| infinity | - use "-extension Composite" to fix xvfb-run crashing | 11:28 |
| infinity | Hobbsee: I tried to find mention of it in backscroll and could only find Riddell asking for approval, but no one approving it.. | 11:28 |
| Hobbsee | infinity: ahhh...was that it | 11:29 |
| fabbione | infinity: right.. that was an important bug to fix.. if you want i can review the debdiff | 11:29 |
| infinity | 20:16 < Riddell> tfheen, mdz: kubuntu-default-settings uploaded to fix some issues and do the | 11:30 |
| infinity | artwork Ken said, http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/k-d-s.debdiff | 11:30 |
| infinity | 20:16 < Riddell> tfheen, mdz: also kdelibs to fix printing issues, just a revertion to the 3.5.4 | 11:30 |
| infinity | code | 11:30 |
| infinity | 20:16 * Riddell beds | 11:30 |
| infinity | Yeah, no response after that. | 11:30 |
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| infinity | fabbione: http://cerberus.0c3.net/~adconrad/xorg.diff | 11:32 |
| mdke_ | if I have a script that is doing a grep, how can I avoid it pasting the output and simply tell me if there is output or not? (is that a clear question?) | 11:33 |
| infinity | mdke_: grep -q | 11:33 |
| infinity | mdke_: RTFM, please. :) | 11:34 |
| mdke_ | sorry. I thought it would be something clever with another command | 11:34 |
| infinity | if grep -q pattern file; then echo "It found stuff!"; fi | 11:34 |
| infinity | For instance. | 11:34 |
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| mdke_ | infinity: so is this going to work? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26720/ | 11:36 |
| mdke_ | (adding the -q) | 11:36 |
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| fabbione | infinity: there is something fishy in that upload | 11:38 |
| fabbione | infinity: like a patch patching debian/local/ | 11:38 |
| mdke_ | infinity: seems to work, thanks | 11:38 |
| fabbione | infinity: we will need to talk to seb.. the 017 seems sane, but the 018 is wrong | 11:39 |
| fabbione | infinity: it shouldn't be in a patch in the first place and i am not sure why he is forcing Composite | 11:40 |
| giftnudel | he is not | 11:41 |
| giftnudel | fabbione: - is unforcing, + is forcing | 11:41 |
| giftnudel | so +extension enables, -extension disables | 11:41 |
| fabbione | giftnudel: yes unforcing.. | 11:42 |
| fabbione | the patch is still wrong there... | 11:42 |
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| giftnudel | ok, just wanted to make that clear | 11:42 |
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| infinity | Uhm, yeah, patching debian/local looks pretty suspect. :) | 11:43 |
| fabbione | there is also another thing i am not sure it will work properly | 11:44 |
| fabbione | Xvfb extends the cmdline parsing for it's own options | 11:44 |
| fabbione | like -render | 11:44 |
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| fabbione | but there is no guarantee that it will be executed after +extension Composite | 11:44 |
| fabbione | so -render might disable composite, while a +extension will reenable it | 11:45 |
| fabbione | it's kind of fishy IMO | 11:45 |
| giftnudel | that's probably why he forces -extension | 11:45 |
| fabbione | giftnudel: you can call Xvfb in several ways.. not necessarely via xvfb-run | 11:46 |
| giftnudel | oh, so that won't work | 11:46 |
| fabbione | the latter is only a convenient wrapper | 11:46 |
| infinity | I dunno, that may just be an "enough rope" scenario. | 11:46 |
| fabbione | infinity: i think he is fixing the buildd case | 11:47 |
| fabbione | that's the most common one to be executed via xvfb-run | 11:47 |
| infinity | If you intentionally call Xvfb directly with incompatible args, I'm inclined to let you keep both pieces. | 11:47 |
| fabbione | infinity: i tend to agree. | 11:47 |
| fabbione | i am worried about wrappers around wrappers here | 11:47 |
| fabbione | anyway let's talk with seb again | 11:48 |
| fabbione | i wouldn't approve it personally.. | 11:48 |
| infinity | I'm fine with not touching it -- it is my weekend, afterall. :) | 11:49 |
| fabbione | yeah well i am we mode too.. just babysitting the buildd | 11:50 |
| fabbione | root@sunfire:/home# for i in buildd*/build/build-progress; do cat $i |grep -v "^ "; done | wc -l | 11:50 |
| fabbione | 24 | 11:50 |
| fabbione | it's all good :) | 11:50 |
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| infinity | doko: idlc is hanging on sparc during the OpenOffice.org build. :/ | 12:03 |
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| kristog | HELLO | 12:17 |
| highvoltage | EHLO kristog | 12:18 |
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| Tonio_ | any release manager available ? | 12:34 |
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| infinity | Tonio_: Not *the* RM (tfheen is playing that role this time around), but a member of the release team, yes. | 12:36 |
| infinity | Tonio_: What do you need? | 12:36 |
| Tonio_ | infinity: dholbach released a couple of patches for kdebluetooth yesterday | 12:37 |
| Tonio_ | infinity: they work fine except the autostart desktop file, which requires & end of the Exec command, otherwise kde is blocked and cannot shutdown | 12:38 |
| Tonio_ | infinity: I have a debdiff and I was searching for someone to approve the upload | 12:38 |
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| infinity | Tonio_: Show me the diff. | 12:39 |
| Tonio_ | infinity: sure | 12:39 |
| Tonio_ | infinity: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/27 | 12:40 |
| doko | infinity, fabbione: that's bug 59537, apparently a kernel or glibc problem. that's a smp kernel on the buildd? should work fine with a non SMP one. | 12:40 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 59537 in Ubuntu "[sparc] OOo build hangs in futex call" [High,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59537 | 12:40 |
| infinity | adconrad@artigas:~$ uname -a | 12:41 |
| infinity | Linux artigas 2.6.15-26-sparc64 #1 Mon Jul 17 19:54:18 UTC 2006 sparc64 GNU/Linux | 12:41 |
| infinity | doko: An strace is going nowhere, fwiw. | 12:42 |
| Tonio_ | infinity: that debdiff will close milestone bug 56651 | 12:42 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 56651 in bluez-utils "Impossible to do pairing in Kubuntu" [Unknown,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/56651 | 12:42 |
| infinity | Tonio_: That looks fine to me. | 12:43 |
| Tonio_ | infinity: okay, can I upload then ? | 12:43 |
| infinity | Please do. | 12:43 |
| Tonio_ | infinity: done, thanks ;) | 12:44 |
| doko | infinity: yes, and restarting, the build will continue, and randomly hang in a following idlc run | 12:45 |
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| infinity | doko: It's hung in the same idlc run twice in a row this time. | 12:45 |
| infinity | doko: And it's a UP kernel, so if it's the same bug, you're theory's shot. | 12:46 |
| doko | infinity: well, you could retry, setting AVAIL_CPUS to 1 in debian/rules. | 12:47 |
| infinity | 29115 ? R 180:15 idlc @/tmp/mklNOCAb | 12:47 |
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| ajmitch | infinity: zodb uploaded, if you could approve please. drops a python2.3 dependency | 01:05 |
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| infinity | ajmitch: Done. | 01:13 |
| infinity | doko: OOo is building on the other sparc buildd this time, if it hangs and fails again, we'll have to look at it later. I'm out for the night. | 01:13 |
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| doko | infinity: have fun! | 01:16 |
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| tfheen | infinity: both kde-default-settings and xorg-server were approved, yes | 01:47 |
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| wiggy | anyone here familiar with what russkaya.ubuntu.com is doing with svn servers? | 01:58 |
| tfheen | wiggy: probably importing the repos to bzr. | 02:01 |
| wiggy | I it would be much appreciated if you contact a project before putting that load on a svn server | 02:02 |
| wiggy | 1gb of traffic in a day is insane if the normal load is 30mb | 02:02 |
| tfheen | that's excessive, agreed. | 02:02 |
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| tfheen | I'll send a mail to the people who are responsible for it and they'll get in touch. | 02:03 |
| tfheen | sorry about it. :-/ | 02:03 |
| tfheen | at least, I'll send a mail once my mail server is back up. | 02:04 |
| wiggy | heh | 02:04 |
| wiggy | thanks | 02:04 |
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| Riddell | tfheen: did kdelibs get approved? | 02:24 |
| tfheen | Riddell: I haven't seen any kdelibs upload? | 02:24 |
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| Riddell | and I don't have an accepted e-mail either. strange, the .upload file suggests it got uploaded | 02:27 |
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| Kaleo | Hello guys | 02:54 |
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| Viper550 | Excuse me, but I have a pretty good Usplash bug to share | 03:51 |
| Viper550 | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/usplash-theme-ubuntu/+bug/66107 | 03:51 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 66107 in usplash-theme-ubuntu "Placeholder Theme is a Regression (and is ugly)!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 03:51 |
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| Kamion | tfheen: kdelibs is in unapproved | 03:54 |
| tfheen | Kamion: I haven't seen the debdiff, but Riddell seems to want it and it'll only affect kubuntu, so approved. | 03:57 |
| Riddell | the debdiff is large and not really readable | 03:57 |
| Riddell | but it's just a revertion to known good code | 03:57 |
| tfheen | 'k; your choice. | 03:58 |
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| Kamion | http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/kdelibs.diff | 03:59 |
| Kamion | Riddell: there seems to be a lot of stuff outside the kdeprint directory in there; was that intentional? | 03:59 |
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| Riddell | hmm | 04:05 |
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| Riddell | Kamion: they're all fine, it's just caused by me not running a clean rule at the correct time, but I'll upload a cleaner version to do it properly | 04:16 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 05:47 |
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| Seveas | ogra: all progressbars are broken because usplash_put_part is broken | 06:04 |
| bluefoxicy | what's the ETA for Edgy | 06:05 |
| bluefoxicy | I still have imake as obsolete and removing it removes xorg | 06:05 |
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| Amaranth | bluefoxicy: I remember that one | 06:41 |
| Amaranth | bluefoxicy: Another package provides imake but it doesn't seem to pick it up | 06:41 |
| Amaranth | bluefoxicy: Install xutils-dev | 06:41 |
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| lordpatman | hi | 07:27 |
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| licio | how can I view usplash in verbose mode? | 07:35 |
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| siretart | does anyone here know hendrik's aka hno73 email address? does he irc? | 07:38 |
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| AlinuxOS | mjg59, ping | 09:15 |
| _lemsx1_ | siretart: did you try looking for that information in Malone? | 09:18 |
| _lemsx1_ | siretart: or better said, launchpad.net | 09:18 |
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| siretart | lemsx1|gone: I did, but I didn't find him | 09:25 |
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| Kamion | siretart: he's /people/henrik | 09:34 |
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| siretart | Kamion: oh, thanks. do you know if he is still an (active) canonical admin? | 09:35 |
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| Kamion | siretart: er, depends what you mean by "admin" (he's never been on the sysadmin team), but he's still employed by Canonical yes | 09:36 |
| Kamion | I think Matthew Nuzum does most of the webmastering now, but I'm sure Henrik can point you to the right person | 09:37 |
| siretart | he was the one who arranged the machine for revu | 09:38 |
| siretart | I need to contact him because of that | 09:39 |
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| Seveas | siretart, his current nick is heno and afaik he can be found in #ubuntu-accessibility | 09:50 |
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| siretart | Seveas: thanks. I thought heno was someone else than hno73 | 09:55 |
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| exarkun | Is there any dapper configuration where the powernow-k8 kernel module is loadable? I can't seem to find it, if so. It says "powernow_k8: disagrees about version of symbol cpu_data" and "Unknown symbol cpu_data" when I try to load it. | 10:57 |
| exarkun | Uh, or maybe I forgot to reboot after the last kernel upgrade. | 11:00 |
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| exarkun | Oh well, that's a different failure mode anyway... | 11:08 |
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| rawler | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XlessLoginSpec <- my first spec.. please tell me what you think, both of the structure of the spec, and of the proposal as such.. :) | 11:11 |
| mjg59 | rawler: We don't use framebuffers by default now | 11:14 |
| mjg59 | And when we did, they were 640x400 in 16 colours | 11:14 |
| rawler | hmm, allright.. there goes that idea, then.. ,) | 11:14 |
| rawler | what does the bootsplash use then? | 11:15 |
| mjg59 | vesa | 11:17 |
| wasabi_ | Wonder how long until X desktop migration becomes something people will want. | 11:20 |
| tfheen | wasabi_: X desktop migration as in "connect to running X session"? | 11:21 |
| rawler | wasabi_: how do you mean? | 11:21 |
| wasabi_ | Gtk had the beginnings of it, a long time ago. | 11:21 |
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| wasabi_ | THe ability for one app, or all of them, to disconnect from X, and reconnect to another X. | 11:22 |
| wasabi_ | Reprobe screen layout, readjust self, etc. | 11:22 |
| wasabi_ | Reupload images, etc. | 11:22 |
| AlinuxOS | mjg59, ping (may I disturb you?) | 11:22 |
| tfheen | wasabi_: doable, but ugly. | 11:22 |
| wasabi_ | I don't really think it's ugly. ANything that connects to something should be able to cleanly disconenct and reconnect again. :) | 11:22 |
| wasabi_ | Makes stuff like VNC nice too. You'd have a system VNC server, that when you logged in, GDM popped up on. | 11:23 |
| wasabi_ | GDM would then migrate your existing desktop to the VNC, and put it's login screen back on the old X server. | 11:23 |
| wasabi_ | Not saying it isn't massively hard though. Stuff very deep in Gdk. ;) | 11:24 |
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| tfheen | hiya maswan! | 11:24 |
| tfheen | maswan: how's the crowd? | 11:24 |
| wasabi_ | I have seen it work, a long time ago, with a little sample program. | 11:24 |
| rawler | I kindof agree.. however I would prefer a proxied solution in that case, something like what Y-windows were considering.. | 11:24 |
| tfheen | wasabi_: sure, I've written software to make it work. That doesn't mean it's pretty. | 11:24 |
| maswan | tfheen: It's neat, I just sat opposite a bunch of PVVers at the dinner | 11:24 |
| wasabi_ | Proxies, like X move, do suck. | 11:24 |
| wasabi_ | First off, one more layer for everyting to talk to. | 11:25 |
| tfheen | maswan: did quarryman (Jens dne) get my sms? | 11:25 |
| rawler | wasabi_: you know, our competitor from bug #1 can do JUST that.. ;) (remote login and takeover session) | 11:25 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 1 in ubuntu-meta "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1 | 11:25 |
| maswan | tfheen: yup, their singing was somewhat uncoordinated though | 11:25 |
| wasabi_ | rawler: Yup. | 11:25 |
| tfheen | maswan: heh. :-) The message was about 8 sms-es long.. | 11:25 |
| wasabi_ | They do it quite a bit differnet though. | 11:25 |
| rawler | they usually do.. :) | 11:26 |
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| wasabi_ | They have a single central place where all apps talk to, and THAT redirects to different display devices. | 11:26 |
| wasabi_ | Anyway. I'd be neat. Stick an X property someplace that instructs all the apps to move. Wait until they're gone, GDM covers screen with login screen. | 11:26 |
| rawler | (often to some 5 or ten years later "upgrade" to a solution more like what Unices have been doing for decades) ;) | 11:27 |
| maswan | tfheen: :) | 11:27 |
| shawarma | Does anyone know why user-mode-linux is not in edgy? | 11:27 |
| maswan | tfheen: torben is getting all the chicks, as usual (for a chicken) ;) | 11:27 |
| maswan | tfheen: anyway, 'night, I only popped in before sleep and thought I should say hi since you were referenced at dinner | 11:28 |
| tfheen | maswan: good to hear that you brought him. I'm not enough in with the crowd that I felt like going this year.. getting old. | 11:28 |
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| tfheen | maswan: oh, please say hi to everybody I know there tomorrow. | 11:28 |
| maswan | tfheen: will do | 11:28 |
| tfheen | and 'night to you too | 11:28 |
| rawler | wasabi_: as far as I recall, that's kindof what Y-windows had in mind for connecting and disconnecting.. the notion of a "session" built into the display server, that could then transition to new displays, and the only thing applications would notice was a resolution change | 11:29 |
| rawler | wasabi_: don't really know how this would fit into "special" apps like xv-equivalents and gl-apps, though.. | 11:30 |
| jdong | is there any chance of anything getting a freeze exception? | 11:31 |
| wasabi_ | I suspect it's not the biggest thing in the world to make Gtk do. I mean, massively difficult, sure. And GL would probably suck. | 11:31 |
| wasabi_ | Gtk certainly has full knowledge of what widgets it has, and what X structures they are mapped into. | 11:31 |
| rawler | I guess.. :) only problem is few people are using GTK-only desktops.. :) | 11:32 |
| wasabi_ | Yeah. It'd obviously involve X. Standards to disconenct and reconnect, GDM would have to do "something" if a program didn't leave. | 11:33 |
| rawler | yeppers.. neat idea, though.. next part is to be able to bring your programs on a USB-drive, connect them to a terminal, work for a while, then disconnect and go somewhere else.. :) | 11:34 |
| wasabi_ | That's a bit far fetched. | 11:34 |
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| tfheen | rawler: trivial; just use xen vms. | 11:34 |
| wasabi_ | And cool but unneccassary. :) | 11:34 |
| rawler | I've seen there ARE a few working complete computer on USB2 nowadays.. just plug them in and they run.. :) | 11:35 |
| wasabi_ | Oh. Yeah. Heh. Put a Xen VM on the drive. | 11:35 |
| wasabi_ | I'm more fond of the completely networked world... you don't need to carry your stuff with you. | 11:35 |
| wasabi_ | But you shoud be able to get to it, wherever it is, from wherever you are. | 11:35 |
| wasabi_ | Being able to sit down in an airport at GDM, specify a username in the form of wasabi@mydomain.com, and a password. | 11:36 |
| wasabi_ | (or smart card) | 11:36 |
| wasabi_ | and having it just pop up. | 11:36 |
| wasabi_ | Sun-style. | 11:36 |
| rawler | wasabi_: definitely cool, definitely fat-fetched, but not entirely fictional.. | 11:36 |
| wasabi_ | Companies do it internally now. | 11:36 |
| wasabi_ | (Sun) | 11:36 |
| wasabi_ | Heck I do it to an extent with Windows. | 11:37 |
| tfheen | SSO isn't hard to do, it's just a lot of work. | 11:37 |
| wasabi_ | tfheen: We're going to be talking about SSO a lot at the summit apparently. | 11:37 |
| tfheen | wasabi_: we as in you and I or as in everybody? | 11:37 |
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| wasabi_ | Me as in me and some other people. ;) | 11:37 |
| tfheen | heh, 'k | 11:37 |
| tfheen | it'd be nice if networkauth was completed, since it's kinda essential for SSO to be meaningful | 11:38 |
| wasabi_ | network auth = ? | 11:38 |
| tfheen | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkAuthentication | 11:38 |
| rawler | I've heard the Swedish police is working on a setup running Linux on 1Gb USB drives, and a floppy.. they the floppy, which in turns load a autoconfiguring DE from the USB drive, and they can work securely and disconnected wherever they go, and in most (x86) machines they encounter.. | 11:39 |
| wasabi_ | Oh neato. | 11:39 |
| wasabi_ | whiprush and I have been talking about that. | 11:39 |
| rawler | I heard the patrol-cars had some sw integrating to this as well, but don't remember exactly how.. | 11:39 |
| tfheen | rawler: you can do that trivially with Ubuntu; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent and a floppy with grub on it. | 11:39 |
| rawler | clever.. :) I'll tip the police.. ;) | 11:40 |
| wasabi_ | First step, authentication against common Kerberos/LDAP systems with optional components (Samba/Windows) | 11:41 |
| wasabi_ | Second step, construction of authentication servers. | 11:41 |
| wasabi_ | Second step is going to take a few years. ;) | 11:41 |
| tfheen | wasabi_: oh? What auth servers are you missing? | 11:41 |
| wasabi_ | Say that again? | 11:42 |
| tfheen | 23:41 < wasabi_> Second step, construction of authentication servers. | 11:42 |
| rawler | from what I've heard they (swedish police) have been looking quite a lot into linux solutions recently, both for increased security and more efficient costs.. | 11:42 |
| wasabi_ | Installation of a LDAP server + Kerberos + DNS in a supported and common format. | 11:42 |
| tfheen | wasabi_: samba is probably going to grow into some sort of a super-server integrating a lot of this, I think. | 11:42 |
| wasabi_ | I don't think so. | 11:43 |
| wasabi_ | Samba is going to help drive the pieces out, but they are still seperate. | 11:43 |
| wasabi_ | You don't need MSRPC for a unix network. | 11:43 |
| wasabi_ | But, a MS network is still plain LDAP/Kerberos/DNS... so those need to be tight for Samba to accomplish their goal. | 11:43 |
| wasabi_ | And we get the benefits of that, without bringing Samba into the mix. | 11:43 |
| tfheen | you need to integrate the DHCP server into it too. | 11:44 |
| wasabi_ | Yup. | 11:44 |
| wasabi_ | Well, maybe not, actually. | 11:44 |
| wasabi_ | MS doesn't really do so. | 11:44 |
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| wasabi_ | Also, with ipv6, removing DHCP, it's best to not plan in that direction. | 11:44 |
| tfheen | you need something like it for ddns. | 11:44 |
| wasabi_ | MS DHCP doesn't update DNS. | 11:44 |
| wasabi_ | The workstatiosn themselves do, using their computer accounts. | 11:44 |
| wasabi_ | Key missing piece from Bind. | 11:45 |
| _ion | Avahi! | 11:45 |
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| wasabi_ | Bah. | 11:45 |
| wasabi_ | insecure. ;) | 11:45 |
| tfheen | wasabi_: uh, that's utter crack. | 11:45 |
| tfheen | not hard to implement in bind though. Just crackful. | 11:45 |
| _ion | More insecure than workstations telling bind "yo, my address is now 1234:5678::42"? | 11:45 |
| wasabi_ | tfheen: MS DNS has ACLs. | 11:45 |
| wasabi_ | tfheen: Integrated exactly like FS ACLs. | 11:46 |
| tfheen | wasabi_: that makes it more, not less crackful. | 11:46 |
| wasabi_ | Joining a computer creates an A record, and sets permission for the host/computername principal to update it. | 11:46 |
| wasabi_ | So, the hosts update themselves. | 11:46 |
| wasabi_ | tfheen: It's the only feasible method. DHCP is going away. | 11:46 |
| wasabi_ | It also works quite nice in practice. | 11:47 |
| wasabi_ | Since leasing a DHCP address is not a secure operation. | 11:47 |
| tfheen | wasabi_: people have been talking about ipv6 almost being here for ten years. I don't think dhcp or ipv4 is going away anytime soon. | 11:47 |
| wasabi_ | Me neither, but it's true some networks don't use it. | 11:47 |
| wasabi_ | With ipv4. | 11:47 |
| wasabi_ | zeroconf, etc. | 11:48 |
| tfheen | *shrug* | 11:48 |
| wasabi_ | Anyways, the Samba guys have been working on the changes to Bind. | 11:48 |
| wasabi_ | Bind supports signed updates, just not with a KRB5 principal. | 11:48 |
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| whiprush | wasabi_: tfheen: that sounds awesome | 12:06 |
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