[01:31] <ctrlsoft> ajmitch: Is there some ubuntu equivalent to the NEW queue or incoming?
[01:55] <imbrandon> ctrlsoft, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue
[01:55] <imbrandon> and s/edgy/dapper/
[01:56] <secretlondon> We need some motu advice re: bug #65451. gnomesword is borked and only compiles with old libraries. the old library has the same name as current library, and other stuff depends on it. what's the protocol for this sort of thing?
[01:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65451 in gnomesword "[UNMETDEPS]  gnomesword has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65451
[01:59] <imbrandon> secretlondon, fix gnomesword to use the new libs ;)
[01:59] <secretlondon> imbrandon: if I was christian, and I could code then maybe..
[02:00] <ajmitch> ctrlsoft: as imbrandon said, but uploads are going into unapproved at the moment, which we can't see
[02:00] <imbrandon> well i dident mean YOU specificly, you asked the proceedure
[02:00] <secretlondon> we wondered whether we should upload the old library with a -old suffix
[02:00] <ajmitch> I did get a mail about bzr-svn going into NEW
[02:00] <secretlondon> imbrandon; ok
[02:01] <imbrandon> secretlondon, no
[02:01] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch
[02:01] <ajmitch> seems that gnomesword is a popular package to look at these days
[02:01] <secretlondon> imbrandon: ok thanks
[02:01] <ajmitch> I've seen at least 5 different people mention it
[02:01] <pirast> :-P
[02:01] <secretlondon> ajmitch: it's the christian ubuntuista's software program
[02:02] <ajmitch> secretlondon: yes, I find it quite useful
[02:02] <secretlondon> ajmitch : cool
[02:03] <pirast> how can I see which packages depend on skribe?
[02:03] <ajmitch> apt-cache rdepends skribe
[02:03] <ajmitch> or whatever the binary package name is
[02:04] <pirast> ajmitch, thanks
[02:04] <secretlondon> imbrandon: everyone's been speculating for weeks
[02:04] <secretlondon> maybe announced when edgy is released?
[02:04] <ajmitch> I've heard rumours
[02:04] <ajmitch> no more
[02:06] <imbrandon> ajmitch, Riddell and a few others ( canonical employees ? ) know but cant say and like a week ago said he was about to send the email out to the -devel-announce , but it never came accross
[02:06] <imbrandon> soooo /me has just been wondering
[02:06] <secretlondon> we're presuming it's going to be an 'F' - so a theme with F for the release.
[02:07] <secretlondon> my guess is 'flashy' something
[02:07] <ajmitch> my guess is 'feisty', given comments made in -devel
[02:07] <imbrandon> secretlondon, yea thats kinda given ;)
[02:07] <secretlondon> with the talk of eye candy and gadgetry
[02:07] <secretlondon> imbrandon: I think officially we can miss letters out
[02:07] <pirast> ajmitch, does the command also look for build dependencies?
[02:08] <bddebian> No, you have to use something like grep-dctrl for build-deps :-(
[02:08] <ajmitch> pirast: no
[02:08] <secretlondon> I like ferret for the animal ;)
[02:08] <ajmitch> that's not particularly hard though
[02:08] <imbrandon> pirast, no
[02:08] <imbrandon> pirast, apt-cache show <source package>
[02:09] <pirast> re..
[02:09] <imbrandon> pirast, apt-cache show <source package>
[02:09] <secretlondon> re
[02:09] <pirast> k... im just wondering because of bug 65289.. it would be probably the best to remove it from the ubuntu archive since the devs do not fix the problem..
[02:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65289 in skribe "[UNMETDEPS]  not installable, not buildable" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65289
[02:10] <pirast> as long as it does not break anything other..
[02:17] <StevenK> Something else uses skribe.
[02:18] <imbrandon> looks like it just needs a rebuild, checking it now
[02:18] <StevenK> imbrandon: It also said "not buildable"
[02:18] <StevenK> That implies it needs more than just a rebuild.
[02:18] <ajmitch> morning StevenK
[02:18] <StevenK> Er, back
[02:19] <StevenK> It's morning?!
[02:19] <StevenK> Oh, it is.
[02:19] <ajmitch> for you, at least
[02:19] <secretlondon> its 1.20 am here - def morning ;)
[02:19] <StevenK> That's morning.
[02:20] <imbrandon> 7:15 pm for me ;)
[02:20] <secretlondon> cts?
[02:20] <secretlondon> cst?
[02:20] <imbrandon> that would be me , yes
[02:21] <StevenK> 6am flight?
[02:21] <ajmitch> lucky you
[02:22] <imbrandon> yea 6am flight
[02:22] <StevenK> imbrandon: Yeah, but you'll get there the same day. ajmitch and I (if I was going) would be flying over a day.
[02:23] <imbrandon> yea, that kinda sucks
[02:49] <imbrandon> hum i wonder how good celular broadband support is
[02:50] <imbrandon> anyone ever used it in debian/ubuntu ?
[02:50] <secretlondon> like 3g mobile phones?
[02:51] <secretlondon> I'm not sure there is an international standard - mobile phone related stuff seems quite regional
[02:51] <imbrandon> the would be one way yes ( via a usb adapter i'm assuming you mean )
[02:52] <imbrandon> secretlondon, do you normaly go by another name? or have i just not seen you before?
[02:52] <secretlondon> imbrandon: I'm not sure what you meant by "cellular". I think WiMax may be more interesting as it has a larger range than 802.11
[02:52] <secretlondon> this is my normal name. i'm a bug squad person
[02:53] <imbrandon> ajmitch, have time to sponsor a DD upload sometime today ?
[02:53] <secretlondon> i don't normally hang out in -motu
[02:54] <imbrandon> secretlondon, ahh ok no wonder i have never seen you arround, anyhow i ment exactly what i said celular broadband ;) not WiMax
[02:54] <imbrandon> StevenK, haha
[02:55] <secretlondon> imbrandon: which is called different stuff in different countries i think. US English calls mobile phones - cell phones so presuming what is sold here as "3g" I think
[02:56] <secretlondon> imbrandon: I probably should know as I'm a networking student but I don't tbh
[02:56] <imbrandon> well it really has very little to do with cell phones , or even cellular phone networks unless you use the fallback 144k
[02:57] <imbrandon> secretlondon, here is more about what i'm talking about http://www.barefeats.com/mbcd5.html
[02:58] <imbrandon> just fyi
[02:58] <secretlondon> imbrandon: thanks. i was looking in wikipedia with no luck
[03:00] <ajmitch> imbrandon: depends on what it is
[03:00] <imbrandon> apt-mirror ( trivial changes , not the repackageing like i was talking )
[03:01] <imbrandon> not a NMU
[03:01] <ajmitch> I'll consider it :)
[03:01] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:02] <secretlondon> imbrandon: don't think we have that in the uk. (but i'm not sure what it is exactly). I was thinking you meant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access
[03:03] <imbrandon> secretlondon, you probably dont , afaik its only avail in US / JP and only on some networks
[03:03] <imbrandon> e.g. Verizon
[03:04] <secretlondon> imbrandon: looks like it.
[03:04] <imbrandon> guess i'll just play with it and find out, wifi spots suck
[03:05] <imbrandon> moins Hobbsee
[03:05] <secretlondon> hi Hobbsee
[03:06] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon, secretlondon
[03:12] <secretlondon> imbrandon: still can't work out exactly what verizon are selling ;)
[03:13] <imbrandon> celular broadband ;)
[03:13] <secretlondon> imbrandon: yeah, but which standard ;)
[03:13] <imbrandon> 2mb down , 384kb up
[03:14] <imbrandon> anywhere you can get celular service, even driving down the road
[03:14] <imbrandon> verizons ;)
[03:14] <imbrandon> there isnt really a standard used by them all yet
[03:14] <secretlondon> imbrandon: "cellular broadband" is a bit like "wireless internet" - it can refer to all sort of stuff;)
[03:15] <secretlondon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband_wireless_access
[03:15] <imbrandon> exactly
[03:16] <imbrandon> e.g. i dont want wifi, i want broadband over celular networks so i dont have to find hotspots
[03:16] <imbrandon> i dont care what standard, tyhus the generazation
[03:16] <imbrandon> it was intentiaonal
[03:18] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: deal with the mess in #ubuntu please :P
[03:18] <imbrandon> ugh , ok
[03:22] <imbrandon> seems to have been over before i looked
[03:24] <Hobbsee> yeah, until they hit again
[03:25] <imbrandon> rob and nailoth are both arround now too
[03:25] <imbrandon> so hopefully* it wont happen again
[03:25] <imbrandon> lol, who am i kidding
[03:25] <imbrandon> anyhow , i'll try to keep an eye out
[03:26] <StevenK> Oh yes, the ever-vigilant ops of #ubuntu
[03:26] <imbrandon> hum what package provides afile ?
[03:26] <imbrandon> lol
[03:27] <Hobbsee> StevenK: that's what we have !ops for
[03:27] <Hobbsee> you cant.
[03:27] <StevenK> Sure I can. I just did.
[03:28] <StevenK> Ouch
[03:32] <StevenK> That's going to bleed when my heart beats.
[05:27] <imbrandon> ...
[05:37] <TheMuso> Hey imbrandon.
[05:37] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[05:43] <imbrandon> you know, hrm i dont even know how to explain it, but anyone else ever get the feeling that Ian "gets it" be debian as a whole dosent ( atleaste the _loud minority_ )?
[05:43] <imbrandon> s/be/but
[05:48] <imbrandon> see i told you emacs is a OS not a text editor , look it has an IRC Client
[05:56] <BHSPitMonkey> it's more of a desktop shell
[05:56] <BHSPitMonkey>                ^multi-platform
[05:58] <imbrandon> BHSPitMonkey, that was sarcasim ;)
[06:03] <imbrandon> heya elkbuntu
[06:05] <Hobbsee> hey elkbuntu!
[06:05] <elkbuntu> hi :)
[08:21] <imbrandon> ajmitch, so whats that script for? i'm looking at it now
[08:21] <imbrandon> looks like a pbuiler kinda
[08:23] <ajmitch> yes
[08:23] <ajmitch> sbuild, schroot & lvm snapshots
[08:23] <ajmitch> maybe it can be an excuse for me to extend my RAID array & get some slack space for LVM ;)
[08:24] <imbrandon> so whats the advantage over pbuilder
[08:24] <imbrandon> this might be nive to setup on the build machine i have
[08:24] <ajmitch> there are a few differences, and it's often faster
[08:24] <imbrandon> for us to use
[08:24] <ajmitch> siretart can tell you more
[08:24] <imbrandon> if it has advantages
[08:24] <ajmitch> as I said in -devel, I'd like to set this up with xen vm snapshots
[08:25] <Burgundavia> hmm, fracking gmail died
[08:25] <ajmitch> so you can effectively bootup a machine in a couple of seconds
[08:25] <ajmitch> hey Burgundavia
[08:25] <Burgundavia> means not only can I not read my email, I can't even write the UWN
[08:25] <ajmitch> uh oh\
[08:25] <imbrandon> yea
[08:25] <ajmitch> that's not good
[08:25] <imbrandon> that would rock for the x86 arches
[08:26] <imbrandon> ouch
[08:26] <imbrandon> gmail seems ok here Burgundavia whats the issue ?
[08:27] <imbrandon> i just logged in and checked ( as all my mail gets shipped though gmail )
[08:29] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: gmail is very regional
[08:30] <imbrandon> ahh
[08:31] <imbrandon> can you get to it from a proxy ?
[08:32] <Burgundavia> no
[08:33] <imbrandon> ouch
[08:35] <Burgundavia> there we go
[08:35] <Burgundavia> hey jsgotangco
[08:35] <ajmitch> jsgotangco!
[08:35] <jsgotangco> hi Burgundavia how are you doing?
[08:37] <Burgundavia> not bad
[08:37] <Burgundavia> fighting with nfs and openldap at work today
[08:37] <Burgundavia> I officially declare that setting up ldap sucks
[08:38] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: of course, we all know that
[08:38] <jsgotangco> well it is quite a bit of work on gnu/linux
[08:38] <Burgundavia> plus there are no good gui tools that run on dapper
[08:39] <Burgundavia> lat is only the half decent one, and it needs edgy's mono
[08:39] <ajmitch> the question is how can it be fixed *right*?
[08:39] <ajmitch> sigh, more tools I didn't know about, which we could have put in edgy :)
[08:39] <Burgundavia> installing openldap needs to ask more questions and then tell you at the end of debconf how to connect to the server
[08:40] <Burgundavia> lat is already in edgy
[08:40] <Burgundavia> lat rocks
[08:40] <ajmitch> oh good
[08:40] <Burgundavia> proposed for 2.18 admin upstream
[08:40] <ajmitch> 1.0.7 in edgy
[08:40] <Burgundavia> ugh, only 1.0.7?
[08:41] <Burgundavia> newest is 1.2
[08:41] <ajmitch> yep
[08:41] <ajmitch> looks like 1.0.7 is fairly recent though
[08:41] <Burgundavia> the 1.0 series is pretty crappy
[08:41] <ajmitch> excellent, the package even follows the CLI policy for mono apps
[08:43] <Burgundavia> Ubuntu needs to say "here is our preferred graphical ldap client"
[08:43] <Burgundavia> one click client side
[08:43] <ajmitch> spec it
[08:43] <Burgundavia> I plan to, this weekend
[08:43] <ajmitch> sure, glare at me..
[08:44] <Burgundavia> you're the one that didn't finish your bloody SoC to make it easy, dammit
[08:44] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: it sounds like a good plan
[08:44] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: yeah, I'd be more welcome :)
[08:44] <Burgundavia> heh
[08:44] <Burgundavia> if I didn't love you ajmitch, I wouldn't give you such a hard time
[08:44] <ajmitch> I'm sure
[08:44] <jsgotangco> heh ive been doing a lot of slackware myself lately
[08:45] <jsgotangco> :P
[08:45] <Burgundavia> I need to figure out how to connect my FC4 clients at work to my ldap machine
[08:45] <Burgundavia> sigh, more frakking learnign
[08:45] <ajmitch> I suppose I should hack some more on that code
[08:46] <ajmitch> annoying deadlines at work sucking up time..
[08:46] <Burgundavia> how advanced is tasksel?
[08:47] <Burgundavia> can you do configuration stuff to packages?
[08:47] <ajmitch> not particularly
[08:47] <Burgundavia> ie: instlal openldap and ssl (or something else) and configure them to work together?
[08:47] <ajmitch> the config stuff has to be done in package maintainer scripts, or externally
[08:47] <ajmitch> I went for the external route
[08:48] <Burgundavia> ah
[08:48] <ajmitch> since most of the maintainer scripts did what I wanted
[08:48] <Burgundavia> I want a "directory server" task
[08:48] <ajmitch> so do I :)
[08:48] <Burgundavia> install everything, configure securly, ask me for a password and then tell me to install lat on my desktop
[08:48] <ajmitch> as much as I'd love to have FDS working, it's a nightmare
[08:48] <Burgundavia> everything else would happen via lat
[08:49] <ajmitch> to get it packaged properly would probably mean that FDS is converted to use autotools
[08:49] <Burgundavia> ah
[08:49] <ajmitch> & even then it's a pain
[08:49] <Burgundavia> doesn't FDS have some non-free Java stuff?
[08:49] <Burgundavia> luckily it didn't go throught Novell or it might have some mono stuff alongside that Java
[08:50] <ajmitch> I thought they managed to get the java stuff working with gcj, last I heard
[08:50] <ajmitch> at least it'd run with gcj stuff
[08:50] <ajmitch> I could be quite wrong as usual
[08:51] <Burgundavia> I think FDS is the future of free ldap
[08:51] <ajmitch> it has a lot of potential
[08:51] <Burgundavia> You'll need an http server installed and a Sun Java Runtime Environment.
[08:51] <Burgundavia> http://linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/6310/1/
[08:51] <ajmitch> but it can't be the future in its current state
[08:51] <Burgundavia> no
[08:52] <Burgundavia> it seems like RH has done its initial work and has dropped it
[08:52] <ajmitch> hoping that a community will spring up magically to work on it
[08:53] <Burgundavia> very RH
[08:54] <ajmitch> "Unfortunately, the console does not (yet) build and run with the open source GNU gcj/Classpath java implementation, but we are working on it. We thought that gcc/gcj 4.1 included with Fedora Core 5 would work, but it still has many problems, so your best bet is to use Sun or IBM JRE."
[08:55] <Burgundavia> upsream devel list is mostly bug fixing
[08:55] <Burgundavia> no vision there
[08:56] <Burgundavia> cvs shows activity
[08:56] <ajmitch> yeah, I have cvs checked out
[08:56] <ajmitch> it's not a lot of activity
[08:57] <ajmitch> there's some progress on buidl system stuff
[08:57] <ajmitch> finally
[08:57] <Burgundavia> Mark is working on his shiny landscape stuff
[08:57] <Burgundavia> which he refuses to tell us about
[08:57] <ajmitch> free software development at its best
[08:57] <Burgundavia> ugh
[08:58] <Burgundavia> at least the client must be open source, as it will be part of the defauklt Ubuntu instlal
[08:58] <Burgundavia> although it will be interesting to see what happens with the actual code
[08:58] <ajmitch> hasn't he learnt from the feedback & ideas that come out of openly developing code?
[08:58] <Burgundavia> will they follow policy and put it into dapper-updates
[08:58] <Burgundavia> or will Mark overrule them and change the dapper package directly
[08:58] <Burgundavia> ?
[08:59] <Burgundavia> Mark is a very secretive person
[08:59] <ajmitch> most likely -updates
[08:59] <ajmitch> I really hope so
[08:59] <Burgundavia> he likes to be able to surprise people, please he is a little gunshy about preannouncing stuff
[08:59] <Burgundavia> however, yes, he needs to be more open
[08:59] <ajmitch> seems like FDS should have 1.0.3 out soon
[09:00] <ajmitch> reading the recent commits
[09:00] <Burgundavia> very cool
[09:00] <Burgundavia> what does .3 give us?
[09:00] <ajmitch> no idea, it's hard to get an overview from a changelog
[09:01] <Burgundavia> idiots
[09:01] <ajmitch> I'm looking at the cvs2cl output, not any NEWS file
[09:02] <ajmitch> so you can't blame them
[09:02] <Burgundavia> even bigger idiots for not having a NEWS file
[09:02] <Burgundavia> however, here is one issue I see
[09:02] <Burgundavia> currently sudo-ldap is in universe
[09:02] <Burgundavia> it shoudl not be
[09:02] <ajmitch> they probably do have a NEWS file for each module
[09:02] <ajmitch> there's plenty of stuff in universe that shouldn't be
[09:02] <ajmitch> like libnss-ldap
[09:03] <ajmitch> which has had so many problems
[09:03] <Burgundavia> you serious?
[09:03] <ajmitch> quite
[09:03] <Burgundavia> don't I need that for client side ldap stuff?
[09:03] <ajmitch> yes
[09:03] <Burgundavia> crap
[09:03] <ajmitch> but it had 5 RC bugs open in debian until recently
[09:03] <ajmitch> and hung udev, etc
[09:04] <ajmitch> still has issues, I have to change the default bind-policy
[09:04] <Burgundavia> ok, I have lots of spec out
[09:04] <ajmitch> since the debian fix won't work for us - requires newer initscripts
[09:04] <ajmitch> great
[09:04] <Burgundavia> can you email me a list of things you think I need?
[09:04] <ajmitch> I'll probably sit at home drinking that week :)
[09:04] <Burgundavia> or better yet, create some sort of wiki page?
[09:05] <ajmitch> I can look around for some spare time & what's needed
[09:05] <ajmitch> easy part is that the code I wrote has sets of required packages for each auth method :)
[09:06] <Burgundavia> perfect
[09:06] <ajmitch> of course libnss-ldap didn't want to cooperate there & still needed to throw up debconf questions inside my app
[09:07] <Burgundavia> can I just reup the network auth stuff for the client side?
[09:07] <Burgundavia> the spec, that is
[09:07] <ajmitch> do what you want with it
[09:08] <ajmitch> someone will probably decide what way it should be implemented for edgy+1, my code probably won't be it
[09:08] <Burgundavia> please edit that spec with as much info as you have
[09:08] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: are you going to mtv?
[09:08] <Burgundavia> links to your code, pitfalls, etc.
[09:08] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: work and I are negotiating
[09:08] <jsgotangco> nice
[09:08] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: are you?
[09:09] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: can't afford it
[09:10] <jsgotangco> aww
[09:16] <Burgundavia> come this time next year, I think I should be in the position to sponsor at least one person to conference
[09:17] <Burgundavia> given my fetish for all things adminy, don't be surprised if I choose somebody who can do that kind of stuff
[09:17] <ajmitch> depends where it is
[09:18] <jsgotangco> lol
[09:19] <jsgotangco> userful sponsoring someone to fix something for them to sell?
[09:19] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:19] <Burgundavia> Maintainer: Andrew Hodgkinson (Sr. Software Engineer) <ahodgkinson@novell.com> <-- things I thought I would never see
[09:19] <ajmitch> yeah, that was funny
[09:19] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: the world changes rapidly
[09:19] <Burgundavia> this time next year I hope to have a Fedora free office
[09:20] <ajmitch> by this time next year, I have no idea what I'll be doing :)
[09:20] <jsgotangco> well the world is flat anyways, some people will bite that offer
[09:20] <Burgundavia> colleague of mine just rippped out 100 Ubuntu thin clients and installed 100 DiscoverStations
[09:20] <Burgundavia> Yakima Valley, WA
[09:21] <ajmitch> what reasons?
[09:21] <Burgundavia> not certain
[09:21] <Burgundavia> think admin was tired of dealing with it
[09:21] <ajmitch> probably to do with admin stuff
[09:21] <Burgundavia> absolutely
[09:21] <ajmitch> somewhere that we know ubuntu sucks
[09:21] <Burgundavia> I need to get him on the phone
[09:22] <imbrandon> mcs /out:ktunes.exe *.cs /r:System.Windows.Forms.dll /r:System.Drawing.dll
[09:22] <jsgotangco> what for? have him reconsider?
[09:22] <imbrandon> err
[09:22] <imbrandon> whoops
[09:22] <ajmitch> imbrandon: impressive
[09:22] <Burgundavia> no, to find out what things sucked, specifically
[09:23] <jsgotangco> ahh
[09:23] <jsgotangco> im going to do some work
[09:23] <jsgotangco> bbl
[09:23] <imbrandon> ajmitch, heh not really
[09:26] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: so apart from a few packages in main, what do you really want? :)
[09:26] <imbrandon> bah, i'm going to bed, nuff fighting with qt c# bindings for one night
[09:27] <imbrandon> gnight all
[09:27] <ajmitch> night imbrandon
[09:27] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: glue, lots and lots of glue
[09:27] <Burgundavia> we need to first match AD as of W2K
[09:28] <ajmitch> that's a 2-3 year task at least to get all the tools & integration
[09:28] <Burgundavia> lets figure out what needs to be done and break it out into little tasks
[09:29] <ajmitch> seems like you've got a few good notes from boston
[09:30] <Burgundavia> Novell is about to do a bunch in GNOME
[09:30] <ajmitch> even simple things like preconfiguration of clients on install
[09:30] <Burgundavia> I think the process can be made massively parallel
[09:31] <Burgundavia> I disagree about the 2-3 year timeframe
[09:31] <ajmitch> I think 2-3 years can be optimistic for the details
[09:31] <ajmitch> the bulk of the work can be done in less
[09:32] <ajmitch> but it's only when you're using everything together & run into the corner cases that you get the details down
[09:33] <Burgundavia> right
[09:33] <Burgundavia> we can't afford to take 2-3 years todo this stuff
[09:33] <Burgundavia> admin stuff is murdering us in the enterprise space
[09:34] <Burgundavia> now, of course, admin stuff is killing jsut about everybody
[09:34] <ajmitch> we're missing stuff that even NT4 could do well
[09:34] <Burgundavia> that is the sad part
[09:34] <Burgundavia> I don't see anybody really building a community around their admin stuff
[09:35] <ajmitch> isn't that what Ubuntu is meant to be about? :)
[09:35] <ajmitch> community & all that?
[09:35] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:36] <ajmitch> Ubuntu is conspicuous that there just aren't the upstream developers employed by canonical
[09:36] <ajmitch> unlike novell or RH
[09:39] <Burgundavia> dave camp was giving jdub crap about that in Boston
[09:39] <ajmitch> so I heard
[09:39] <ajmitch> hello daniel
[09:41] <dholbach> hi Andrew
[09:41] <dholbach> just popped in to change my password, as some idiot used my nick in #ubuntu yesterday
[09:41] <ajmitch> yes, I saw that, I was worried about it..
[09:41] <dholbach> and gnomefreak banned my hostmask and all :-)
[09:41] <dholbach> about my sanity? ;)
[09:41] <ajmitch> I was hoping that it was actually you now :)
[09:41] <dholbach> hehe
[09:42] <ajmitch> no, that your box wasn't compromised
[09:42] <dholbach> at 1 utc all my boxes were turned off
[09:42] <ajmitch> ok :)
[09:43] <Burgundavia> ok, firefox has a nasty memory leak with gmail
[09:43] <Burgundavia> epiphany was using 300 of resident memory
[09:43] <Burgundavia> MB, that is
[09:46] <Burgundavia> well, my inbox is clean and my UWN queue is full
[09:46] <Burgundavia> time for me to sleep
[09:46] <ajmitch> night Burgundavia
[09:47] <dholbach> OK fellas see you around!
[09:47] <ajmitch> you away for the weekend?
[09:47] <ajmitch> ok :)
[09:47] <dholbach> byeeeeeeeee :-)
[09:47] <ajmitch> bye dholbach
[10:59] <siretart> morning
[10:59] <siretart> ah, sbuild + lvm snapshot rocks. :)
[11:02] <ajmitch> hey siretart
[11:02] <ajmitch> do you know if the xen support is there yet?
[11:02] <ajmitch> yay, f-spot built on powerpc (debian)
[11:02] <ajmitch> soon I can stop getting the bugs about it being broken in testing
[11:10] <siretart> ajmitch: I don't think so.
[11:11] <siretart> ajmitch: In fact, I'm not that impressed by xen anymore. compared to the work you need to setup lvm+schroot+sbuild, xen setup seems to me not appropriate
[11:11] <siretart> ajmitch: but I'm comparing pines with apples, I know
[11:14] <siretart> ajmitch: but seriously. how should a build environment work with xen? sbuild/pbuilder mounting the volume, preparing boot scripts which build the package and shutdown the machine again?
[11:15] <ajmitch> starting a xen snapshot vm, then clearing it
[11:15] <siretart> ajmitch: I could imagine setting up wanna-build in dom0 and buildd in the domUs
[11:15] <ajmitch> I'm not sure how the build source gets copied in - probably with some native host fs
[11:16] <ajmitch> iwj has some scripts for using xen with autopkgtest
[11:17] <ajmitch> with a chroot, you can bind mount, but a xen domain is fully self-contained
[11:21] <siretart> that scripts could be useful, indeed
[11:22] <siretart> but honestly, for me, I'm pretty sold with sbuild+schroot
[11:22] <siretart> it would be great if I could somehow make it work with i386 chroots on amd64
[11:22] <ajmitch> I'd be happy getting sbuild+schroot setup
[11:23] <ajmitch> except I have no spare LVM space at the moment :)
[11:23] <siretart> thats easy :)
[11:23] <ajmitch> unless I put it on loopback
[11:23] <siretart> you can also use tarballs
[11:23] <siretart> then you'll have something similar to pbuilder
[11:23] <ajmitch> yep
[11:23] <ajmitch> and what's the point of that?
[11:23] <ajmitch> why would I choose sbuild over pbuilder?
[11:23] <ajmitch> since I have pbuilder working now :)
[11:24] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: until it breaks
[11:25] <ajmitch> she's so friendly
[11:26] <Hobbsee> indeed :)
[11:28] <siretart> ok, I'm off to my parents, see you later this afternoon
[11:28] <ajmitch> bye siretart, have a good day
[11:31] <tepsipakki> ajmitch: libpam-krb5 got accepted ;)
[11:31] <tepsipakki> 2.4-1 that is
[11:32] <ajmitch> yep
[11:37] <babo> Hi guys
[12:17] <kristog> hello
[12:53] <zakame> hi all
[12:53] <ajmitch> hi
[12:56] <zakame> yo ajmitch
[12:56] <ajmitch> hey zakame
[12:56] <ajmitch> how's it going?
[12:57] <zakame> here I am, just figured out how to get irc access via a socks-acting ssh proxy
[12:57] <ajmitch> yay :)
[12:57] <ajmitch> at work?
[12:57] <zakame> release is on the 26th, right? :)
[12:57] <zakame> no, at the mall
[12:59] <ajmitch> yep, on the 26th sometime
[01:00] <zakame> hmm should start planning for the release-party then :)
[01:00] <zakame> heh I should haveplanned for that earlier
[01:53] <ajmitch> night all
[01:54] <phanatic> night ajmitch
[03:50] <siretart> hm. I hope sistpoty does find me...
[04:00] <lfittl> hmm, do I need permisson to upload bug fixes to universe now because of RC freeze? And if yes, who should I talk to?
[04:02] <Hobbsee> lfittl: yes and no - ajmitch, etc, will ask you when they see the upload, usually.  if it's got a bug number in the changelog, it's good
[04:03] <lfittl> Hobbsee: ok, thanks
[04:44] <siretart> Revu is going down for maintenance now
[05:27] <steveire> hey. Do new packages ever get added to universe or is it just for updating packages?
[05:28] <steveire> I'm thinking edgy here.
[05:29] <tseng> new packages arent particuarly likely to be added at this point
[05:29] <tseng> in a few weeks they could be added to edgy+1
[05:29] <beligum> revu site down?
[05:29] <steveire> I thought that's what universe was for. Is universe just for updates?
[05:29] <steveire> And not new packages?
[05:29] <tseng> edgy (including universe) is frozen
[05:30] <tseng> it is for packages that are not given the same level of support as main
[05:30] <tseng> after a certain point we stop adding things
[05:30] <tseng> focus on fixing bugs
[05:31] <steveire> ok, cheers. Is there any way the latest version of k3dsurf would get into universe?
[05:32] <tseng> not in edgy
[05:32] <tseng> release is in 2 weeks
[05:34] <lophyte> !seen superm1
[05:34] <ubotu> I last saw superm1 (n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1) 20h 59m 18s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection
[05:47] <bddebian> Heya gang
[05:47] <lophyte> hey :)
[05:48] <bddebian> Hello lophyte
[05:50] <Adri2000> beligum: siretart said it was going down for maintenance
[05:50] <beligum> ic, thx
[05:50] <lfittl> hey bddebian
[05:51] <bddebian> Hi lfittl
[05:58] <beligum> Is it normal that the packages-database reading takes ages when apt-getting something?
[06:06] <siretart> status update: sistpoty and me are currently upgrading revu's postgresql from version 7.4 to 8.1
[06:06] <Q-FUNK> oho
[06:09] <siretart> things looking good so far
[06:09] <siretart> please don't use revu yet, we want to reboot the machine for kernel upgrade in about 1h
[07:12] <Dominus_Suus> is this where I come to report a problem with a supported package?
[07:16] <superm1> Dominus_Suus, you should file a bug on launchpad
[07:16] <superm1> or at least search and see if one is filed yet.  if not, then you should file one :)
[07:16] <Dominus_Suus> well the bug has been fixed upstream
[07:17] <superm1> is it a new version? or just a patch to a current version
[07:18] <Dominus_Suus> I'll be more specific - poppler has a problem in its pdftohtml program that produces a blank output.  This problem has been fixed in version 0.5.4 but Dapper still uses the buggy 0.5.1
[07:19] <superm1> Well in order to get in then, a UVFe bug will have to be filed
[07:19] <superm1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/UVF
[07:19] <Dominus_Suus> thanks
[07:19] <superm1> follow the procedure ther
[07:19] <superm1> if you have any questions about the procedure, we'd be glad to help you through it
[07:20] <Dominus_Suus> thanks, superm1, that's great
[07:47] <siretart> ok. tiber's dead. didn't survive the kernel reboot.
[08:18] <giskard> LALALA :)
[08:19] <giskard> bddebian, ajmitch  :)
[08:42] <Q-FUNK> What was the item I needed to attend the CC meeting for, again?
[08:42] <Q-FUNK> Approval to some team, I think, but I forgot which one.
[08:43] <giskard> Q-FUNK, no, you have to put yourself in the next CC agenda
[08:43] <giskard> and you have to find someone who can speak for you
[08:44] <giskard> someone == UbuntuMember
[09:24] <Toadstool> siretart: tiber still down?
[09:25] <siretart> Toadstool: I need to contact an admin. We tried to boot a new kernel, but the machine didn't come up
[09:26] <Toadstool> uhuh
[09:33] <siretart> Toadstool: yeah :/
[09:34] <siretart> if someone knows how to contact hno73, please tell me
[09:52] <ajmitch> morning
[10:46] <Dominus_Suus> superm1, are you still there?
[10:47] <superm1> yea
[10:47] <superm1> whats up?
[10:49] <Dominus_Suus> the poppler bug that I was talking about has already been filed: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/poppler/+bug/41758.  I added a comment mentioning the updated package.  Should I post a message to the mailing list asking someone to take up the project?
[10:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41758 in poppler "pdftohtml in popper-utils 0.5.1-0ubuntu6 doesn't work at all." [Medium,Confirmed] 
[10:50] <Dominus_Suus> it should be a fairly simple process, and it looks like they're already adding the updated package to Edgy...
[10:51] <superm1> give me a moment to pull up the bug.  my machine is crawling as i'm compiling something, running something in VMWare and doing some other stuff. :)
[10:51] <Dominus_Suus> flipping hackers - all the processing power in the world and no clue what to do with it :-P
[10:54] <superm1> Well if this newer version is already in edgy, have you tested the edgy version?
[10:54] <superm1> i would say the best bet is to file a backport request on LP to get it pulled back into dapper
[10:55] <superm1> and for now locally, you can grab edgy sources
[10:55] <superm1> and build then in dapper using prevu or a dapper pbuilder locally
[10:55] <Dominus_Suus> not as such - I downloaded the 0.5.4 package directly onto my machine and it works
[10:55] <Dominus_Suus> *from the poppler website
[10:55] <superm1> ah
[10:55] <Dominus_Suus> where do they keep the .deb files - do I have to load the repository?
[10:56] <superm1> Well, i'll do this.  i'll grab the sources for the edgy version and run it through a dapper pbuilder
[10:56] <superm1> if it comes out okay, then I can file a backport request for you ok?
[10:56] <superm1> and i can post up the debs for you to use somewhere in the meanwhil
[10:57] <Dominus_Suus> that would be great, thank you!  In general, where would I file a backport request?
[10:58] <superm1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=153402
[10:59] <superm1> That post should describe the backports project and how it works
[11:00] <Dominus_Suus> super, thank you again!
[11:12] <superm1> Dominus_Suus,  are you by chance on amd64? I just realized I am locally building amd64 :)
[11:18] <superm1> Dominus_Suus, bug 66168 if you would like to follow progress.
[11:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66168 in dapper-backports "Update poppler to resolve pdf2html problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66168
[11:19] <Dominus_Suus> oohh, thanks - no, I'm on a 586
[11:20] <superm1> Ok. well it'll be  a little bit then for me to build for x86 too.
[11:22] <Dominus_Suus> sorry, I'm still learning how to use make and it'll be a while before I get around to learning .deb packaging
[11:23] <superm1> https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html is a good start to learn about packaging
[11:23] <shawarma> Does anyone know why user-mode-linux is not in edgy?
[11:24] <Dominus_Suus> hehe, thanks superm1... I'm still trying to get to the bottom of my Safari reading list... it'll probably take years :-D
[11:50] <superm1> Dominus_Suus, do you want me to CTCP to you or how?
[12:05] <Dominus_Suus> superm - CTCP is fine... if there's a link on the packages/archives/repositories page I can take that too
[12:06] <superm1> well my repository is a mess right now, i'm not gonna put it up there right now. i'll ctcp then
[12:06] <Dominus_Suus> thank you so much for your help
[12:06] <superm1> Not a propblem
[12:07] <pirast> anyone here who wants to apply two debdiffs to edgy?
[12:08] <superm1> Dominus_Suus, are you seeing my offer for sending the file?
[12:09] <Dominus_Suus> I'm in Gaim and I just accepted it
[12:09] <superm1> timed out....
[12:09] <Dominus_Suus> reattempt?
[12:09] <superm1> are you on anyhting else right now too, aim, msn ,yahoo?
[12:09] <superm1> i can send on there
[12:09] <Dominus_Suus> I'm on MSN
[12:10] <Dominus_Suus> I can switch into XIRC
[12:10] <superm1> well however you want to do.  i have an old msn account i can jump on in gaim
[12:10] <Dominus_Suus> hislordship@canada.com
[12:11] <Dominus_Suus> that was really quick :-P
[12:11] <superm1> well hopefully this goes thru :)
[12:11] <Dominus_Suus> oh, what's the problem now...
[12:12] <superm1> okay hmm..... that an email address?
[12:12] <superm1> i'll email it
[12:12] <Dominus_Suus> yep
[12:12] <superm1> ok