[02:32] <ryanakca> Riddell: hey, I've got 3 licence plates for you, pick the best one :)
[02:34] <ryanakca> Riddell: http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/kubuntu/     (8 - 12).png   tell me if you want a modification on the sticker :)
[01:39] <fdoving> hmm..
[01:39] <fdoving> why is arts in the archives 1.5.4 and on kubuntu.org it's 1.5.5 ? 
[01:39] <fdoving> for edgy,thatis.
[01:53] <tvo> hmm apt-get and aptitude perform quite differently when attempting to dist-upgrade, apt-get seems to be ok, aptitude complains about dependencies (even with --without-recommends)
[01:53] <tvo> (dapper->edgy that is)
[02:23] <Hobbsee> hey all
[02:24] <mhb> hey
[02:35] <fdoving> hey.
[02:36] <fdoving> Hobbsee: have you seen that the arts version on archive.ubuntu.com is 1.5.4, and kubuntu.org got 1.5.5? is that intentional? 
[02:36] <Hobbsee> !info arts edgy
[02:36] <ubotu> arts: sound system from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.4-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 5 kB, installed size 36 kB
[02:36] <Hobbsee> not sure on that one
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell?
[02:45] <two-face> Hi
[02:46] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: if you throw a disk in your cdrom/dvdrom in kubuntu can you view the files? i have someone asking me in #ubuntu+1 and im trying to fix eclipse atm
[02:46] <two-face> I'd like to point out that kubuntu beta still does not boot on my system
[02:47] <two-face> as in knot3
[02:47] <two-face> Bug #61987
[02:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61987 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Kernel boot failure with Kubuntu knot3 on amd64+nforce4+sata2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61987
[02:47] <gnomefreak> two-face: is it dumping you into busy box?
[02:47] <two-face> gnomefreak: no it isn't
[02:48] <gnomefreak> oh ok not the issue everyone else has than
[02:48] <two-face> right after unpacking the initrd it enters an endless loop
[02:50] <fdoving> woohooo.. i have sysinfo:/ running on kubuntu :)
[02:53] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i'm currently on a live cd.  sometimes, i think
[02:56] <gnomefreak> ok ty
[03:00] <mhb> KDE 3.5.5 will be the default in Edgy, right?
[03:03] <Hobbsee> mhb: yep
[03:04] <mhb> hmm
[03:04] <mhb> as usual nobody bothers to change the facts in Rosetta
[03:05] <mhb> Riddell: release notes in rosetta talk about KDE 3.5.4, somebody should fix that
[03:06] <mhb> Riddell: and nobody bothered with adding the Kubuntu introduction lines into hwdb-client Rosetta translation, as I mentioned to you a while ago
[03:07] <mhb> it's a bit frustrating when you translate the release notes but in the end they are either incorrect or your translation is not used
[03:11] <Hobbsee> as far as upstream seems to be concerned, it's a waste of time for kde, as the translations are in svn
[03:12] <mhb> Hobbsee: yes, we actually do
[03:13] <mhb> Hobbsee: you cannot translate ubuntu-docs in svn .o)
[03:13] <mhb> Hobbsee: or release notes
[03:14] <Hobbsee> mhb: i was meaning the kde specific stuff. 
[03:15] <mhb> Hobbsee: yes, it is mostly unused there
[03:16] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian 
[03:17] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[03:23] <mhb> Hobbsee: Rosetta has its flaws
[03:24] <Hobbsee> mhb: so i hear
[03:25] <mhb> Hobbsee: it's low on features (still we cannot even search through strings or through package names)
[03:26] <mhb> Hobbsee: you have to flip throught 10 pages of package lists to find a package (or do a workaround and search for its source)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> ouch
[03:27] <mhb> Hobbsee: and it seems to me that it's overlooked a bit by the LP maintainers
[03:28] <Hobbsee> mhb: i cant speak for them - i've got nothing to do with it
[03:29] <mhb> Hobbsee: well I talked with them once and little changed
[03:31] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:31] <Hobbsee> mhb: i cant do anything about it, as it's LP
[03:31] <mhb> Hobbsee: I know it well, that's why I stopped .o)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:32] <Hobbsee> .....
[03:32] <Hobbsee> why are we installing libgtk2.0in a default kubuntu install?
[03:33] <gnomefreak> kubuntu getting rid of qt ;)
[03:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:34] <Hobbsee> well, i wouldnt mind grabbing their update manager, as that looks neat
[03:35] <mhb> Hobbsee: I think it's edgy+1 for it
[03:35] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[03:35] <mhb> Jonathan mentioned that, IIRC
[04:10] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  libxine1 has a lot of the same files as libxine-main1
[04:10] <Hobbsee> and amarok depends on one, kaffeine-xine depends on the other.  impressive.
[04:44] <ryanakca> eh, kubuntu getting rid of qt?
[04:44] <ryanakca> Qt vs GTK... Qt wins anyday :)
[04:45] <gnomefreak> lol ;)
[04:45] <gnomefreak> was in the middle of eclipse issues and taht sounded good at the time :(
[04:46] <ryanakca> lol
[04:46] <ryanakca> eclipse.. isn't that some HTML / PHP IDE?
[04:46] <ryanakca> rings a bell... 
[04:47] <gnomefreak> java + others
[04:47] <gnomefreak> it doesnt build :)
[04:47] <ryanakca> odd
[04:47] <nuku> jubuntu the java only ubuntu based distro? :)
[04:47] <ryanakca> hmm... I think I had used it on FC a year ago..
[04:48] <gnomefreak> i filed bug fixed one depends and now i have to build a lib to get it to build and check it again but not today
[04:48] <ryanakca> nuku: wouldn't that be uber uber slow?
[04:48] <ryanakca> either that or it's just my computer that java runs slowly one
[04:49] <gnomefreak> -slow + garbage ;)
[04:49] <ryanakca> lol
[04:49] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: I guess that class never happened last night ?
[04:49] <nuku> ryanakca: well java is not that slow with jit .. only the awt and swing stuff really really sucks...
[04:49] <gnomefreak> ok i go away and try to get my mind on something else. i dont know about lastnights class
[04:49] <gnomefreak> later all
[04:49] <ryanakca> see yah
[05:03] <ryanakca> edgy uses amarok 1.4-beta3, right?
[05:05] <nuku> ryanakca: no 1.4.3
[05:08] <ryanakca> nuku: I don't see 1.4.3 on bugs.kde.org...
[05:08] <ryanakca> it only goes up to 1.4.1
[05:08] <ryanakca> nevermind :)
[05:13] <nuku> there are no more bugs in 1.4.3 *scnr* :)
[05:16] <ryanakca> ??
[05:34] <Tm_T> Hmm...
[05:34] <Tm_T> Anyone here who's using bluetooth?
[05:35] <ryanakca> hey kwwii
[05:35] <ryanakca> Tm_T: not here... what's happenning?
[05:36] <Tm_T> Behaviour differences between Dapper and Edgy, now my devices doesn't discover each other unless I make them.
[05:37] <Tm_T> I mean I have to trigger some transport myself.
[05:47] <Tm_T> Hmm, some problems with kcontrol & bt.
[06:00] <nuku> Tm_T: hm bluetooth works here.. whats the problem?
[06:01] <Tm_T> nuku: kcontrol -> internet -> bluetooth services -> device discovery
[06:02] <Tm_T> nuku: Those scripts doesn't affect at all, also I'm wondering why "also execute job regularly" is greyed out.
[06:03] <nuku> hm i see
[06:04] <Tm_T> That means, I can transfer files but discovery jobs are retarted.
[06:05] <nuku> yes i just used file transfer until now ...
[06:06] <Tm_T> My desktop supposed to lock/unlock depended to my position.
[06:07] <Tm_T> Also could sync stuff but haven't needed it yet.
[06:07] <nuku> there also seems to be a missing dependecy to kedit in kdebluetooth..
[06:08] <Tm_T> Yeah, though that editor part is defined in scripts.
[06:09] <Tm_T> So maybe just patching default scripts to point to kate is all we need.
[06:09] <ritch_> Have the fix the cups issue with edgy 6.10 as of yet ?
[06:09] <nuku> sure that would be another option
[06:20] <Tm_T> nuku: Also, because KBluetoothD doesn't see my devices all the time, I can't use bluetooth to modem connection. ;(
[06:20] <Tm_T> Have to plug in USB.
[06:24] <nuku> Tm_T: hm this stuff seems to be broken indeed..
[06:25] <Tm_T> nuku: Thanks for confirming, now we need to find out where is the actual problem.
[06:28] <nuku> hmm i think i have to reboot.. my dmesg is spammed by "VFS: busy inodes on changed media." never saw this before :/
[06:30] <nuku> i wonder why its not set to filter out repeated messages..
[06:37] <Tm_T> nuku: All searches I tried, finds nothing, so I presume if I remove predefined device (my phone) I can't send files at all then. :p
[06:45] <nuku> Tm_T: mmh beta2 of kdebluetooth seems to work ...
[06:54] <nuku> hi rockman :)
[06:54] <RockMan> hi
[06:54] <nuku> so it seems that the device search does not find any devices that are not paired yet..
[06:55] <nuku> and that for example the discovery service does not react..
[06:56] <RockMan> could you try beta2?
[06:56] <RockMan> i updated the package, just waiting some testers to publish it
[06:56] <nuku> beta2 seems to work.. :)
[06:56] <nuku> question is.. is this due to a bug in beta1 or a packaging issue..
[06:56] <RockMan> http://zerogoki.homelinux.org/kdebluetooth-1.0_beta2.tar.bz2
[06:57] <RockMan> mh.. dunnow.. but beta2 is known to be patched to work better with newer version of some packages (bluez, openobex...)
[06:57] <RockMan> i would reccomend including beta2 in next kubuntu.. it's not a heavy upgrade, just some patches, and well tested
[07:01] <nuku> Tm_T: might want to test the beta2 too if it solves your problems?
[07:05] <nuku> i wish my computer would be faster .. building takes still so long :/
[07:07] <Tm_T> ?
[07:08] <Tm_T> nuku: Oh, great, I'll test it then. :)
[07:19] <Riddell> RockMan: looks like it compiles and installs for me
[07:20] <RockMan> Riddell: yep, i fixed the package
[07:20] <Riddell> looks like ubuntu has two openobex packages though, libopenobex-1.0-0-dev and libopenobex1-dev
[07:20] <RockMan> there was a warning where there should be an error, so the user was not notified about missing packages
[07:21] <RockMan> (i imagine you installed libopenobex for the error, right?)
[07:22] <Riddell> I got an error saying openobex >= 1.1 not installed
[07:22] <Riddell> and installing libopenobex-1.0-0-dev fixed it
[07:22] <RockMan> yep
[07:27] <Riddell> that's not the version of libopenobex we currently use so I'll need to talk to dholbach about moving to that version for edgy+1
[07:31] <Sime> I was just investigating those "monitor powersave timeouts go crazy after logout" bugs, and the problem isn't in /usr/bin/startkde. It must be something that kde_init runs.
[07:56] <Tm_T> nuku: Roger, now it works :)
[07:57] <nuku> Tm_T: ah fine.. sorry had to go to lunch :)
[07:58] <nuku> Tm_T: so not that fine anyway as this means the kdebluetooth is still broken for edgy :/
[07:58] <Tm_T> Yes
[08:08] <ryanakca> Riddell: ping
[08:42] <oslo> i'm on kubuntu edgy with beryl & aiglx its working great !!!!! thks
[08:52] <TIMo0-> whos lilo
[08:53] <TIMo0-> Wh is lilo
[08:55] <oslo> like grub
[08:55] <nuku> lilo as in LInux LOader is a bootloader like grub
[08:56] <oslo> ^^  ;  exactly
[08:58] <TIMo0-> OHH i see :s
[08:59] <Tm_T> TIMo0-: What's the problem?
[09:00] <Tm_T> TIMo0-: Referring to topic? lilo was the man behind freenode.
[09:00] <TIMo0-> im im realy :S
[09:01] <TIMo0-> Freenodeb is a irc server right
[09:02] <Tm_T> Irc network and more.
[09:02] <Tm_T> IIRC
[09:03] <TIMo0-> lilo as in LInux LOader is a bootloader like grub ,is this bull then ?
[09:03] <Tm_T> Well, lilo was person and also lilo is bootloader.
[09:03] <Tm_T> Same name, two things.
[09:04] <nuku> i suppose lilo got his name from the bootloader lilo :)
[09:04] <nuku> but thats just a blind guess ..
[09:06] <TIMo0-> Good guess thou :D
[09:17] <TIMo0-> kubuntu-devel whats it about
[09:28] <mhb> good evening
[10:17] <ryanakca> bug 64573, http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135688    
[10:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64573 in amarok "Amarok crashes on iPod connection" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64573
[10:17] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 135688 in Mediabrowser "Amarok Crashes when setting /dev/sda2 to Apple iPod" [Crash,Unconfirmed]  
[10:17] <ryanakca> [16:08]  <aumuell> ryanakca: perhaps you can push the ubuntu people a bit to include libgpod 0.4 in edgy ...
[10:18] <ryanakca> in order to get iPods that upgraded to firmware 1.2.x to work with edgy's amarok, edgy would need to include libgpod 0.4 as a dependency of amarok... problem is, we only have libgpod 0.3.2 in the repos at the moment...
[10:18] <crimsun> and being less than two weeks out of release, I don't see that happening.
[10:18] <ryanakca> (or so I was told in #amarok)
[10:19] <ryanakca> crimsun: Nope :)
[10:19] <crimsun> or just use edgy+1 when it opens
[10:20] <crimsun> I'm sure it'll be a {dapper,edgy}-backports request anyhow
[10:21] <ryanakca> yeah
[10:31] <oslo> no way to have differrent wallpaper on beryl with kde ???
[10:31] <oslo> i'm on kubuntu edgy
[11:00] <windshear> anyone has a floppy drive and is using kde 3.5.5 on edgy on a physical computer?
[11:54] <ryanakca> was amarok compiled with aac tag editing support?
[11:57] <Tm_T> I'm sure not.
[11:58] <Tm_T> IIRC you can't get dependencies from repo.
[12:03] <ryanakca> pitty
[12:04] <ryanakca> ummm... I think you can...
[12:04] <ryanakca> Tm_T: apt-cache search aac... if those aren't it, then nevermind :)
[12:05] <Tm_T> ryanakca: Hmm...
[12:11] <Tm_T> ryanakca: I see if svn compiles, I think repo stuff wasn't enough in dapper atleast.
[12:12] <Tm_T> ryanakca: Whops, seems to work.
[12:14] <ryanakca> lol
[12:14] <ryanakca> it's a pain importing songs into iTunes, moving over, and not being able to edit their tags in amarok
[12:16] <Riddell> hi ryanakca 
[12:16] <ryanakca> hey Riddell