[12:13] that reminds me that I have to get a proper e-mail address for all of my Ubuntu/GNU/FSF dealings [12:14] well if you are looking for an @ubuntu.com address, look into the process for applying as an ubuntu member [12:14] the entire thing is described on the wiki [12:14] don't I need a resume the length of your arm to get a membership? [12:15] alternatively, I guess I could use my sourceforge address or create a g-mail one... [12:15] well you have to contribute to the community. [12:15] it's just that all of my spam gets sent to my canada.com address [12:15] the wiki page lists lots of ideas how you can [12:15] You should have an email with the attachment [12:16] how big was the file again? some 200-some-odd-K? [12:16] i made a tar.gz with the entire package [12:16] 2.9 megs [12:16] nm, I have it now... thank you! === Tonio__ [n=tonio@109.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:17] I'm thinking of dusting off my tablet and making some icon themes... [12:17] well then getting into the art team can be a great way to membership [12:18] well I can't thank you enough again [12:18] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember?highlight=%28member%29 [12:18] not a problem. glad to help === Tonio___ [n=tonio@200.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@127.Red-83-50-221.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] could anyone have a look and apply the debdiff in bug 65617? [12:43] Malone bug 65617 in dvdrip "menu item??" [Low,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65617 [12:50] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=391613 [12:50] Debian bug 391613 in tsclient "tsclient: ignores selected keyboard map and resets to US map over XDMCP" [Important,Open] [12:51] *sigh* odes not pass the -xkbmap to xnest as it should [12:51] affects ubuntu too === schultmc_gpg is now known as schultmc_ === Dominus_Suus [n=borden@206-248-162-135.dsl.teksavvy.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ppp-70-129-4-63.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=alessand@host96-234-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:45] what does < 2:0.94 in build dependencies mean? that the version has to be bigger or smaller? [01:50] it means the version has to be smaller than === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:02] !ping [02:02] ping: connection timeout === chillywilly [n=danielb@CPE-69-76-83-131.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable134.202-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:14] whom else is doing upload exceptions for main besides tfheen ? [02:18] anyone notice eclipse doesnt build? 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[03:56] heh [03:56] heya StevenK === StevenK waves === StevenK idly wonders if kdebase-dbg could be any larger. [04:03] LOL [04:03] how big is it , i havent looked in a while === imbrandon idly wonders what GR means in p.d.o context [04:05] StevenK: you mean you're touching kde stuff again? [04:05] are you sick? [04:05] s/sick/ill/ [04:07] imbrandon: you really don't know? GR in any debian context should mean General Resolution [04:08] minghua, no i really dident know, i have been disilussioned by debian , i came to ubuntu from many years of SuSE use/devel so i know very little of "pure debian" and from what i've seen on the public face of it i dont care to know alot [04:09] thus i do my stuff and go about my day for the most part ;) === micahcowan [n=micah@adsl-69-236-102-93.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pirast_ [n=martin@p508B08CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:11] ajmitch, isnt there a mono specific packaging policy doc somewhere kinda like the python one ? [04:12] dh_make creates a dirs file in debian/... is this necessary/useful? What purpose does dh_installdirs actually serve, since the actual installation will ensure that the appropriate structure is set up, regardless? [04:12] ( mono apps not the compilers/runtime ) [04:12] micahcowan: The appropriate structure may not be set up. [04:12] micahcowan: The build may also want to create other directories not mkdir'd by the build system. [04:12] micahcowan, thats just a general guide , rarely is it correct for every/any app [04:13] Ah: so it's really only useful for specifying that directories be built that aren't actually part of the build? But if all I care about are dirs that actually get things installed to them, I shouldn't need a dirs file, correct? [04:13] night [04:15] do I have that right? [04:16] micahcowan: Sure. You don't need a dirs file, or to even call dh_installdirs, it's only there if you need it. === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:17] Am I right in believing that an awk of some sort is part of essentials or build-essentials? My pbuilder environment has it installed... basically I'm wondering if it's necessary to put "awk" in the Depends of an awk-script package. [05:19] Hm... it doesn't seem to be /directly/... [05:22] i wouldent count on anything being installed, if your package needs awk , dep on it [05:23] Okay. I note that sed is an essential, though :) ...but, yeah, I'm guessing it might be possible to have a system without awk, then. Anyway, can't hurt to specify it explicitly... [05:24] Er, huh. lintian gives a "needlessly-depends-on-awk depends" error. Guess I'd better leave it out after all... [05:34] you don't need to depend on awk, unless you need specifically mawk or gawk [05:35] awk is a virtual package, and base-files (which is essential) depends on it [05:35] so it's very unlikely that you have a system without awk [05:36] Yeah: and lintian gets upset if I depend on it, so I'll leave it off (I specifically wrote for POSIX awk, so no need for explicit mawk/gawk dependencies) === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:39] If I'm an ubuntero, does REVU already have my key, or is that a separate keyring? === jcape [i=jcape@c-71-194-178-104.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@154-45-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:06] gnight folks === DarkMageZ [n=richard@59.167.29.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.160.57] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:56] imbrandon: you awake? [06:57] LaserJock, barely [06:57] heh [06:57] wasup? [06:57] you us Gnome at all? [06:57] a tad here and there, not alot [06:58] i dont have a gnome install at the moment though [06:58] why ? [06:58] I'm running some KDE apps in Gnome but some of the apps don't show up right in the notification area [06:59] ahh yea , that is a issue i've run into before [06:59] kwallet is now sitting on top of the Ubuntu icon on the menu bar [06:59] i dont quite know how to fix it tbh [06:59] the gnome and kde systrays are differnt api's afaik but similar enough to "kinda" work [06:59] or something like that [07:00] funny enough though gnome apps run in kde systray fine, so i really dont know the cause tbh [07:00] hmm, interesting [07:02] I just wondered [07:02] yea its not just you or your install [07:02] if thats what you mean [07:02] heh [07:03] i just dont know how to fix it, and its not a ubuntu/kubuntu issue, i ran into it back in the suse days too [07:03] its a kde/gnome thing [07:03] well, I remember it happening waaaay back in the Gentoo days when I used to run all kinds of crazy stuff [07:03] yea [07:03] but there are a few KDE apps I really like [07:04] can you add a kdesystray to a gnome pannel ? i dont rember [07:04] so it's kinda weird having icons in odd places [07:04] that might "fix" it [07:04] I don't see one [07:04] hrm [07:05] darn, new openoffice [07:05] the only other thing i could think of is add a kicker pannel on the right or left of your screen with only a systray applet and reduced in size to like 5% and auto hide it, but thats an ugly hack [07:06] and I suspect some icons can appear on both panels' notification area [07:07] yeah [07:07] right now, kopete and konversation are sitting in the gnome-panel just fine [07:07] and there is a blank space were kwallet should be [07:07] but the icon is all the way to the left [07:08] LaserJock: !!!!!! [07:08] its probaby a bug in the way ( or use of an undocumented api *gasp* ) by kwallet then [07:08] LaserJock: you coming to mountain view? [07:08] If I were LaserJock, I probably would just run a separate KDE session in Xnest [07:08] whiprush: but of course [07:08] LaserJock: got stuff to do? [07:08] whiprush, yea you have to put up with me too ;) [07:08] whiprush: btw, just a little upset about Mozilla [07:09] LaserJock: join the club [07:09] imbrandon: you coming too? [07:09] yup [07:09] sweet [07:09] you both bored? [07:09] heh [07:09] during the show? [07:09] We need help during the ldap show. [07:10] minghua: just for kopete and maybe a couple other apps? ;-) [07:10] whiprush, i can probably lend a hand, dunno how but i can try ;) [07:11] imbrandon: LaserJock: so ... I am bringing a buddy, myself, wasabi, and probably matt oquist and infinity will care about doing ldap stuff [07:11] the problem is [07:11] we need people who know how to spec [07:11] and write [07:11] and generally be sane [07:11] LaserJock: well, if you have enough hardware power, why not? [07:11] so I am looking for people who can help [07:11] whiprush: excellent, LDAP was a bit of an issue for LTSP in Paris [07:12] whiprush, sure, i love specing stuff ( just not when i'm soo sleepy ) [07:12] LaserJock: bonus, the ltsp guy is my lug president. [07:12] I don't know if you can copy & paste between Xnest windows though [07:12] excellent. [07:12] well, I can't come over to the summit until Tuesday [07:12] I will come find you guys if we need help then [07:12] I have a department seminar to give [07:12] LaserJock: oh snap. [07:13] I brainstormed what we need today with some friends. [07:13] i'll be there like 10am on the 4th ( crazy plane schedule ) [07:13] I have it broken down into 2 parts. [07:13] the first piece is "catch up to other distros with AD integration" [07:13] pretty sure that can be done in a day or so [07:13] the second part [07:13] is "Active Directory Killer" [07:13] that will take 5 years. [07:13] s/day/week/ [07:14] so a day or two won't matter. :p [07:14] but yea i'm right with ya [07:14] nis needs some love too but thats another story all togather [07:14] hey has anyone started any specs yet? [07:14] imbrandon: NIS is dead. [07:14] skipping it [07:14] whiprush, i know ;( [07:14] heh [07:15] ubuntu needs a developer fund [07:15] for Edubuntu we are waiting until after the Edgy release to do much specing [07:15] would love to have ajmitch to come [07:15] whiprush, nah i've been going through all the old specs for edgy that got defered that i care about [07:15] but there's no money theyre [07:15] imbrandon: if you spent all your time going over specs that didn't get implemented you'd be out of time. [07:16] last i heard ajmitch was gonna try to swindle some way to make it /possible/ [07:16] been that way since warty [07:16] possibly* [07:16] imbrandon: too expensive. can't make it. :-/ [07:16] RichEd is starting a "Education" forum and we are going to get a "Top 10" list from the educational community and try to spec from that [07:16] well, I actually need to maybe poke mdz about my Edgy spec [07:16] whiprush, yea i mean the "ones i cared about" heh ( mostly CommonCustomizations ) [07:16] it's implemented but not approved :-) [07:17] heh [07:17] it was approved, but then got bumped back down at the distro sprint [07:17] but I was able to pull it off before Feature Freeze anyway [07:17] but nobody reapproved it :/ [07:17] heh === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:18] it happens [07:18] personally, I'd love to see a cycle of no new specs, and just clean out the wiki [07:18] whiprush: I'd move to epiphany if it wasn't for one annoying thing === imbrandon has moved to konqueror [07:19] LaserJock: tabs? [07:19] god i hate those tabs [07:19] lol [07:19] oh, they are a minor problem [07:19] ;-) [07:19] I don't like the location bar and how you can't do URL editing [07:20] you cant edit the url ? [07:20] imo it's easier to fix epi (or konqueror) than convince people who ship windows software to fix their software for us. [07:20] whiprush, +1 [07:20] like in FF (and pretty much any other browser) the auto-completion of URLs you can edit the URL [07:21] in epiphany if you hit enter it takes you straight to that site [07:21] so I end up going to a site and *then* editing the URL [07:22] which is really annoying [07:22] unfortunately the epi bar has been broken for months in edgy [07:22] what about hitting tab [07:22] there was this bad bug [07:22] typically the epi addressbar can be just as flexible as the ff search bar [07:22] but all built in [07:23] CTRL-L, search term, up arrow, enter [07:23] for the win [07:23] well, but I just want to start typing a URL, and then edit it [07:23] I can't figure out how to do that in epi [07:23] LaserJock, konqi FTW ;) [07:24] imbrandon: yeah, it's not bad for sure [07:24] LaserJock: show me IRL when we meet next, I can't visualize what you mean [07:24] LaserJock, have you tried 3.5.5 konqui ? its TONS faster , and i honestly have no idea why [07:24] but I DE mixed up as it is [07:25] LaserJock, after a few days in mtv i'll have you a true kde convert ;) [07:25] whiprush: ok, so what happens when you start typing a URL, you get a list of previous URLs you've got to that are the same, right? [07:25] right [07:25] but then what if you want to edit one of those URLs? [07:25] LaserJock, i have never used epi but what happens if you start typing and hit tab then edit [07:25] ah i see [07:25] I have to hit down arrow to complete [07:25] no middle ground [07:26] tab moves to the next field [07:26] thats how i do it in koqi ( although enter works the same ) [07:26] ahh not cool [07:26] right, all other browsers I know of, you can go to one of the previous URLs and hit enter or right arrow [07:26] yea that would bug me too [07:26] and that puts the URL in the location bar without actually going to the site [07:26] right [07:27] LaserJock: one of my hopes is that epi will become more popular and get more fixed [07:27] heh, and Corey just told me I wasn't using my browser right :-p [07:27] slap him [07:27] it's ironic. [07:28] it was like, over a year ago when jdub sent a mail to the epi list and was like "dudes, make it rock, people are sick of FF." [07:28] and no one listened. [07:28] that was the deal breaker for me [07:28] I could handle the nasty tabs [07:28] yeah the tabs do suck [07:28] LaserJock, heh thats like billy saying we dident need tabs ( untill ie7 of course ) [07:28] heh [07:28] but the URL thing is totally not cool when you navigate LP via URLs [07:28] ( e.g. not useing the browser right ) [07:29] yea i navigate via urls alot, specialy on my domain becouse i have alot of unlinked directorys i use [07:29] LaserJock: I believe mpt has the ear of the epi guys, might be a good suggestion at mountain view [07:30] so are we going the fds way or the suse way for ad ? === imbrandon votes the fds way , even with its quarks [07:30] doesn't work that way] [07:30] the suse way is the samba way [07:30] we get that for free [07:30] right [07:30] doing our own non-windows way means FDS. [07:30] or another ldap server [07:31] imo, FDS is the natural choice [07:31] right [07:31] suse's is pure samba ? [07:31] imo we can build something that does what AD does on FDS and other unix stuff [07:32] for the AD client stuff [07:32] yeah [07:32] but they're not trying to replicate AD. [07:32] you have to buy edirectory if you want that [07:32] their "join an AD" client stuff is all in samba, and free [07:33] ahh ok i see [07:33] ok, I gotta go, just wanted to drop by and pick imbrandon's brain about KDE apps in Gnome [07:33] I soooo wish it didn't matter [07:33] if you want to do a huge server thing where you want to manage linux clients and servers, you have to pay for that [07:33] me and DEs have a definite love-hate relationship [07:33] LaserJock, it really shouldent , i'm thinking its a buig in kwallet [07:33] bug* [07:34] whiprush, ahh i see , ok yea i'm rembering now [07:34] maybe I'll have to start every KDE app I have and file bug reports ;-) [07:34] imbrandon: me and wasabi want to do a big demo where we install an AD and some clients [07:34] and show people what the competition is like [07:34] deploy software, etc. [07:34] whiprush, yea that would be awesom [07:34] a "where we stand" kinda thing [07:34] yeah [07:34] except that might kind of suck [07:34] since we're like, a decade behind. [07:35] but hey, let's roll with it. [07:35] yea , but it will hilight where we need to go more ina real world sense i think [07:35] at leaste to those watching [07:35] sometimes "crap, we're a decade behind" gets people motivated ;-) [07:35] imbrandon: I already have where we can rule already highlighted. [07:35] :) [07:35] ;) [07:36] there are some areas where's we [07:36] LaserJock, yea heh [07:36] re ahead actually. [07:36] alot of the auth side we are i think [07:37] but .... well hell to be honest i havent tried it in a real world situation for a few 4 years [07:37] sooo [07:38] i'm a decade behind too but it is something that needs to rock for enterprise ( and even small business ) [07:38] small business dosent have the bankroll to have an IT department , they need something they can manage with a "part time guy" [07:38] if you know what i mean [07:40] ( small business == ~30 to ~50 wkstations ) [07:40] well 5 to 50 heh [07:40] but you get the idea [07:43] imbrandon: I've got a plan [07:43] it sucks [07:43] but it's a plan [07:43] ;) [07:44] a plan is better than no plan, at leaste its something to build from === jldugger [n=jldugger@adsl-66-142-214-78.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@81.10.9.182] has joined #Ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:45] imbrandon: about your question earlier, yes there's a CLI policy to follow :) [08:46] I'm interested in pulling a newer version of a package that's in debian into edgy, not nessecarily for inclusion in edgy, but at least for my own purposes [08:46] is it usally pretty simple to just download the files from debian and rebuild the package? === ChaosFan [i=sithjanu@faui01.informatik.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:51] jldugger: if said package doesn't have Ubuntu specific changes (i.e., the version number ends with -X, not -XubuntuY), then that usually works [08:51] jldugger, yea its pretty simple if you just want it for your self [08:52] hmm [08:52] this is probably not one of those simple cases [08:52] wacom-tools ;) [08:52] whats the package ? [08:53] is the results of motu-meeting anywhere on the web ? === cypher1_ [n=cypher1@59.92.133.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-25-183.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:11] jldugger, ping [09:11] pong [09:12] hey it seemed to build fine but i've never used this packages in my life so take this with a grain of salt, but its built in a clean pbuilder, grab the debs from herer to test them and let me know [09:12] http://federation.imbrandon.com/wacom-test [09:13] see, i was having problems with the kernel module [09:13] something bout linux headers and such [09:13] yea thats why its good to build it in a pbuilder ;) [09:13] i already had a build env all setup [09:14] well, apt-get build-dep usually takes care of the trivialities [09:14] so which ones do i want here? [09:14] yea mostly but then it builds it against /your/ system, pbuilder makes it distributable ;) [09:14] the two debs [09:15] the other is the source, no need unless you want it [09:15] ah [09:15] it seems like there should be more than just one [09:15] http://federation.imbrandon.com/wacom-test/wacom-kernel-source_0.7.4.1-5_all.deb [09:16] and [09:16] http://federation.imbrandon.com/wacom-test/wacom-tools_0.7.4.1-5_i386.deb [09:16] is all you should need [09:16] edgy right ? [09:16] yea [09:16] k yea [09:16] just grab those two, and dpkg -i *.deb [09:16] building the apt-get source stuff puts out like four .debs [09:17] xserver input [09:17] not from debian [09:17] ahh see they might not work then [09:17] i just grabed the debian souce, see the thing is they were both packages diffrently [09:17] hrm [09:18] e.g. ubuntu packaged it /then/ debian packaged it diffrent and thats NOT a merge [09:18] thats a streight debian compile soooooo [09:18] heh [09:18] doh [09:18] in that case better not [09:18] and i'll do a proper merge for ya tomarrow [09:18] if you can wait === imbrandon is sleepy [09:19] of course === AnAnt [n=anant@81.10.9.182] has left #Ubuntu-motu [] [09:19] i should get to bed myself, but i just got in a new toy [09:19] heh [09:19] a tiny remote control helicopter [09:19] ahh cool [09:20] so one quick question: /usr/src/linux should be symlinked to...? [09:21] /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` [09:21] eg apt-get install linux-headers-{generic,386} === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:22] and it will symlink it and all for you [09:22] it didnt [09:22] ive got two header packages and no symlink [09:23] link it you the one that matches your running kernel ( but make sure you installed linux-headers-* not kernel-headers-* ) [09:23] dunno why there is both , its a mess but thats the cookie for now ;( [09:23] yay. i now have two new bugs, as of yesterday morning. [09:24] so linux-headers-`uname -r`, not linux-source [09:24] no linux-headers-generic OR linux-headers-386 depending on your kernel not uname -r , you want the meta packge so it updates [09:25] so what the hell is the ones without generic or 386? [09:26] are you running the -generic kernel ? [09:26] they will get pulled in by the meta package [09:26] yes [09:27] ok then install linux-headers-generic and it will pull the correct one in, then next time the kernel updates it will update the headers too [09:27] eg from the meta package === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:29] okies i'm off, gnight all [09:30] nite === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feaff900-158.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zdra [n=zdra@76.250-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:10] ajmitch: if a package with unmet dependency can be fixed by a simple rebuild, should I upload -Xbuild1, or there is some simpler way? [10:11] minghua: no, that's the only way to replace a package in the archive [10:11] (no ubuntu specific change by the way) [10:11] ajmitch: and I should just upload, then ping you to let you know? or some other way is preferred to request motu-uvf's approval? [10:12] yes, just upload & ping [10:12] what's the package? === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:17] scim-uim, bug #65478 [10:17] Malone bug 65478 in scim-uim "[UNMETDEPS] scim-uim has unmet dependencies" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65478 [10:19] I tested in Debian, but not in Ubuntu. I'll build in an edgy pbuilder before I upload [10:19] thanks [10:21] is there any way to put a warning to someone about to file a bug on a package to make sure that they are filing against the right package? [10:22] I keep on getting bug reports on upgrade-system that are really meant for update-manager [10:23] not that I know of [10:23] and others yet who seem to mistake upgrade-system for a virtual package that means "anything that failed in installation or upgrade". [10:25] :( [10:25] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=391613 [10:25] Debian bug 391613 in tsclient "tsclient: ignores selected keyboard map and resets to US map over XDMCP" [Important,Open] [10:26] anyone who could help me with this one? [10:26] Q-FUNK: Choose a better package name next time :-) [10:26] it probably is really simple to fix, except that I don't code in C. [10:26] minghua: I never had that problem in Debian. :) [10:27] I actually pinpointed the source of that tsclient bug. I just don't code in C, so I'm at loss on how to patch this. [10:28] Q-FUNK: yeah, I hate LP for uninformed bugs too === minghua hates to ask the dapper or edgy and package version questions every time === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:32] minghua: of course, it's a catch-22: reportbug requires knowing exactly which package is faulty. the user might not know. meanwhile, LP allows too many wild guesses, but lets the user try. [10:34] Q-FUNK: yes. my conclusion is that Debian BTS is more designed to reduce the maintainer's work, while LP is designed to make it easy for users to report bug === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-25-183.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [10:35] the former needs some nice people in the user list/forum who can help the less clued users to diagnose the problem and report bugs accordingly; [10:35] while the latter needs a strong bug triage team [10:37] that's the scary part. strong triage only happens with active maintainers or otherwise with packages in main. [10:40] Q-FUNK: I think I have some idea about your debian bug 391613 [10:40] Debian bug 391613 in tsclient "tsclient: ignores selected keyboard map and resets to US map over XDMCP" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/391613 [10:40] Q-FUNK: are you willing to test my untested (i.e., not even sure if it compiles) patch? [10:41] sure === Q-FUNK boots the x86 buildd [10:41] minghua, ideally, problems in universe are reported to upstream authors [10:42] jldugger: I mailed him last night, but my hopes are not too high on him fixing it. he reports on his homepage that tsclient essentially does what he wants aleady so that's it. [10:43] indeed, upstream authors aren't always enthusiastic about bug reports [10:43] we should blame esr [10:43] jldugger: by upstream, you mean software author? [10:43] for writing those cathedral vs bazaar where he suggested that open source was fantastic because users submit patches to fix bugs ;) [10:43]