[12:16] I have 5-6 licence plates for you :) [12:17] http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/kubuntu/ (8-14).png [12:18] Riddell: which one would you like, in what format? anything I should change? [12:20] sorry, no time just now [12:20] but if you have 8 of them I'm sure one will be perfect :) [12:20] lol [12:20] kk === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:40] Tm_T: what dependencies did you install? === bddebian2 [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:50] ryanakca, its not a matter of amarok having the support, its taglib === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:15] imbrandon: ??? [01:15] [17:52] how do you edit tag information on *.m4a ? [01:15] [17:52] ryanakca, you need Amarok to have been compiled with AAC tag editing support [01:16] ryanakca, and it has [01:16] i think, lemme look === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@120.15-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:16] lol, thanks :) [01:17] you are talking NON drm'd also [01:17] ? [01:17] non-drm'd aac files [01:17] I'm talking about tracks copied off a cd with iTunes and then moved over to this computer... [01:18] how do I check? [01:18] you dont buy them from itunes ;) [01:18] rips should be ok, but thats really not the best solution [01:18] anyhow lemme look [01:18] kk, ty [01:19] your better off ripping to ogg/mp3 ( itunes will rip to mp3 if you change the settings ) [01:19] yeah [01:19] well, if you have a script to automagicly convert all my .a4a to .mp3, I'll gladly accept it :) [01:28] convert lossless to lossless is not great either ;( [01:28] I do .mp3 -> .ogg all the time, naughty me ;-) [01:28] nope looks like no .m4a due to lic issues [01:28] ryanakca, ^ [01:28] http://librarian.launchpad.net/4843610/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.amarok_2:1.4.3-0ubuntu10_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz [01:28] ryanakca, ^^ look at that url , in the section "Amarok - PLUGINS" [01:28] it will tell you what it is and isnt compiled with, i'll see what the issue with m4a stuff is though [01:28] 99% likely its a lic issue [01:28] lic? [01:28] license [01:28] ah [01:28] LaserJock: I don't think iPod takes .ogg :( [01:28] sure it does if you load rockbox or ipl ;) [01:28] lol [01:28] I don't... I tried, but I don't :) === imbrandon plays ogg's on his nano all the time [01:28] brb, shower [01:28] and mpeg video and doom and .... [01:28] ryanakca, i just looked the libs are in multiverse, i can look into compiling a version for imbrandon.com possibly that has all features enabled as something from multiverse will most certainly never make it to main [01:40] was amarok 1.4.3 ever built for kdebase 3.5.2? [01:47] gnomefreak, the backport in dapper-backports is [01:47] why > [01:48] 3.5.2 was missing depends for it. i had him upgrade to 3.5.4 [01:48] no something else was wrong , if he was using the backport version it could ONLY be built against 3.5.2 [01:48] as there is no other version in dapper [01:49] imbrandon: he didnt have backports enabled is my bet [01:49] gnomefreak, then how was he getting amarok 1.4.3 [01:49] ? [01:49] he wasnt was why i asked it was erroring on depends [01:50] he wanted it [01:50] no but he was obviously trying from somewhere or else it couldent have errored [01:50] thus i'm asking where he got 1.4.3 [01:51] 1.4.3 should be downloaded from dapper-backports ( its newer than kubuntu.org ) is what i'm getting at [01:52] oh [01:52] he used the amarok repo he found on forums i think it was [01:52] or someone in channel === gnomefreak came in late [01:53] then he should be onb his own, i have no idea whats it was built against if he is getting it from some random place [01:56] i looked at the depends for 1.4.3 and it said kdebase >=3.5.3-1 so i figured at that point it never got to dapper [01:56] looked at the depends for what version from where ? [01:57] dapper -backports has this .... [01:57] Version: 2:1.4.3-0ubuntu8~dapper1 [01:57] Depends: amarok-xine, ruby, python-qt3, lsb-release, kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.2) [01:58] sooo i'm again sayying if it was from some random place i cannot tell you what it depended on [01:58] but the one in backports, the one supported is against 3.5.2 [01:59] oh ok i understand [02:00] hes gonna break his system soon anyway ;) he wants to do edgy in a week or so [02:00] maybe we will have update-mangler fixed by than [02:00] well he will ahve even more problems when he tries to upgrade whith packages from unknown sources installed [02:01] anyhow , dinner time bbiab === claydoh [n=clay@216-220-236-233.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hawkwind [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars_@AMarseille-256-1-147-163.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:19] morning all [02:19] imbrandon: kk, thanks === jjesse [i=user@69-87-140-200.async.iserv.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:34] morning freeflying === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121n9u.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.221.160.57] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-144-155-23.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.221.156.247] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121n9u.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [i=user@69-87-140-200.async.iserv.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [i=Jucato@210.213.222.49] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [i=user@69-87-140-200.async.iserv.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-72.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-72.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:42] Hobbsee!! ;) [05:43] hey Jucato === Hobbsee demands that she not pass out. [05:43] O_O === nuku [n=nuku@unaffiliated/nuku] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:46] Hobbsee, why would you pass out? [05:46] Jucato: because i feel like rubbish :P [05:46] :( [05:46] and i have to be here, as there's a maths test in 15 min. [05:46] ouch... === Jucato still feels the effects of all the drinking last night... [05:47] hehe [05:49] it's the first time I have gotten drunk in 6 months :) [05:49] well, not really *really* drunk :) === Hobbsee hasnt had any alcohol in over 2 years. [05:53] :) === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.110.114] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:01] ryanakca, ping [06:01] imbrandon, were you able to hold your lecture in #ubuntu-classroom? [06:04] * Hobbsee hasnt had any alcohol in over 2 years. [06:04] it has been since 2003 for me ;) [06:04] 2002 === Jucato now feels that he's a baaaad boy.... :P [06:05] although [06:05] it is october..and you know what that means [06:05] OCTOBER FEST! [06:05] hehe! [06:05] yay octoberfest! [06:06] lol [06:06] so, with that being said..i just might have to drink me some sam adams or goose island..and i know if i do that..then it is on to guiness, where if they stop pouring i start screaming [06:06] I wasn't able to join the local octoberfest. So I just joined a neighbor's birthday party and drank :) === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.229.44] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:18] Riddell, ping === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === FreeT15 [n=thiz@61.149.6.196] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Prezu [i=patryk@dug.net.pl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Porkotron [n=parker@dyn129-100-97-103.bc.uwo.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === FreeT15_ [n=thiz@61.149.6.196] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-033.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:15] hi viviersf [10:15] hi [10:15] tell me [10:16] did you need to change things in the frontend for the install [10:16] to work on edgy ? === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.149.6.196] has joined #kubuntu-devel === FreeT15_ [n=thiz@61.149.6.196] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@90.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:34] hey === FreeT15 [n=thiz@61.149.6.196] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [i=Jucato@210.213.222.49] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === two-face [n=jerome@mol92-4-82-227-97-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.229.79] has joined #kubuntu-devel === two-face [n=jerome@mol92-4-82-227-97-206.fbx.proxad.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Time] === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121n9u.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === torkiano [n=torkiano@cm241045.red83-165.mundo-r.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === torkiano [n=torkiano@cm241045.red83-165.mundo-r.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [01:53] Is knot3 the latest image? [01:54] sebas: afaik beta is the latest 'release' there are daily images available too [01:56] Ah, where? [01:56] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ [01:57] Hm, there's no daily Kubuntu image [01:57] Ow wait ... that's *all* kubuntu :> [01:58] yes :) [02:04] sebas: if you try a daily image, let me know how you get on [02:05] hi Riddell :) [02:08] afternoon abattoir === goldenear [n=goldenea@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato_ [i=Jucato@210.5.108.172] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:22] Riddell: hey ;) did you touch the qt4 packages this we ? [02:23] looks like libQtCore_debug.so.4 isn't in libqt4-debug package anymore... [02:23] Tonio_: I updated to qt 4.2 [02:23] yes, the _debug libraries don't exist any more [02:23] what's the app? [02:23] Riddell: ah... that can explain... wengophone doesn't work anymore [02:23] uh oh [02:24] I'll try to rebuild... [02:24] for qmake apps you just re-run qmake [02:24] yeah that's what I though too [02:24] dunno if scons/cmake will need some changes to not try and use _debug [02:24] the point is that debug is everywhere in the code.... ;) [02:26] it is not currently possible to build wengo without debug, but rebuilding it will obably help [02:26] probably [02:28] Do more people have stability problems with Quanta? [02:28] It just crashed for the second time in a couple of minutes here [02:28] hey sebas ! I don't use quanta, sorry === RockMan [n=marco@kde/developer/gulino] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:29] hi [02:29] yo RockMan [02:29] hey RockMan === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:31] i just release kdebluetooth 1.0_beta23 [02:31] *beta32 [02:31] grr [02:31] beta2 [02:31] woo! [02:32] RockMan: hehe, cool ! === Hobbsee waves [02:32] Riddell: libqt4-debug-dev-kdecopy the equivalent of old libqt4-dev ? [02:32] Tonio_: that's just what the kde 4 packages are built against [02:33] don't use it [02:33] Riddell: there is no dev files for qt4-debug then ? [02:33] I can find libqt4-debug-dev [02:33] ey Tonio_ [02:33] Tonio_: correct, it doesn't exist any more [02:33] sebas: :) [02:34] RockMan: blog! [02:34] Riddell: ah.... okay let's fix the package.... [02:34] hi Hobbsee [02:34] oh.. right! that's what i forgot [02:34] which version of KDE will Edgy be released with? 3.5.4 or 3.5.5? [02:36] Jucato: 3.5.5 [02:36] ah thanks :) [02:36] Riddell: talking about that, I noticed an issue in knetworkmanager with 3.5.5 [02:36] kdeinit sometimes fails to restore it from a saved session [02:36] I'll contact timo about that issue [02:37] Riddell: Hobbsee confirms the issue === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:56] Riddell: heliocastro is okay to commit the ark patches to kde svn [02:56] Riddell: can you commit ? [02:56] Tonio_: sure, send me the diff [02:57] Riddell: okay [02:57] Riddell: sent, there are 3 patches === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheBearded1 [n=criggs@203.39.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio___ [n=tonio@90.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheBearded1 [n=criggs@203.39.cm.sunflower.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.110.114] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:41] Riddell: looks like I can't build wengophone... /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lQtCore_debug [03:41] dunno hw to workarround this without the libqt4-debug-dev package... [03:42] ask upstream how theyir qt 4.2 support is coming along [03:42] Riddell: yeah, there is probably a solution on the dev website.... I hope [03:46] Riddell: why after the latest kubuntu-default-s upgrade did konsole go back to andale mono as its font? :) [03:46] it kind of looks.... umm.... really really ugly :) [03:46] jdong: I've uploaded a fix for that [03:46] cool, thanks [03:46] didn't see it on edgy-changes yet [03:47] Accepted kubuntu-default-settings 1:6.10-59 [03:47] needs approved before it'll be in changes [03:48] Riddell: looks like it is supposed to work.... [03:49] Riddell: afaics qt4.2 is supposed to have debug headers.... [03:49] Riddell: are your packages merges from debian ? [03:50] yes [03:50] ervin just told me we might be missing qdebug.h [03:50] if that what you are seeing? [03:50] hehe, yes ;) [03:54] Riddell: I'll just wait a bit... that's not an official package, so it can wait [03:55] in any case wengophone is reported to have big issues with qt 4.2 === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@90.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:33] hi [04:34] i could i tape what i see on my desktop to avi ? [04:34] soory, how could i tape what i see on my desktop to an video file ? [04:36] screenkast? (not in the repos, iirc) [04:36] http://sourceforge.net/projects/screenkast === goldenear [n=goldenea@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:37] Jucato> i gonna see [05:06] Jucato: I've got screenkast in my SoS repo, for dapper [05:13] Hawkwind: not for me. for oslo [05:14] Huh ? [05:15] nvm :) === Tonio_ [n=tonio@90.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@vpnb191.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === [niceday] [n=daniel@87.100.54.106] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nuku [n=nuku@unaffiliated/nuku] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@90.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:17] hmm.. the google search box on the about:konqueror page, doesn't work as expected if you change the 'konq -> settings -> web shortcuts -> keyword delimiter' from colon to space. === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:38] hello [06:38] hi pef [06:39] don't think we've seen you around for a while [06:41] Riddell: yes, a few months, but now i have free again === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:41] yay! [06:41] help test edgy! [06:41] Riddell: iso is currently downloading :) [06:44] viviersf: hi [06:45] viviersf: did I ever answer your question about chgning the install for edgy? === apokryphos [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-6.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:09] Tonio_: qdebug.h is in /usr/include/qt4/Qt/qdebug.h [07:09] and /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qdebug.h [07:11] Riddell: okay I'll try to patch and build [07:25] Riddell: did you received my message that the release notes available for translation are out-of-date? Can you poke someone to quickly fix that (since transl. freeze is in 3 days), please? [07:26] nixternal: ping ^^ [07:26] hrmm [07:26] out of date already [07:26] mhb: I'm looking at the system settings .desktop translation issue now, do you know if it affects other desktop translations? [07:26] i will get on that right now! [07:26] mhb: remind nixternal what was out of date? kde version was it not? [07:26] oh ya [07:27] it is kde version w/o a doubt [07:27] easy fix there...anythign else? [07:27] 3.5.5 correct? [07:27] yes [07:27] damn...im going to have to get an exception i bet [07:28] nixternal: should be fine [07:28] Riddell: I'm not sure [07:29] well, this will effect more than just the release notes though..it effects all kubuntu docs...as the version is stored in global.ent file, and we use like &kde-rev; to get the version into the doco [07:29] nixternal: looks like we have ktorrent 2.0.3 as well [07:29] nixternal: good, that makes the diff smaller [07:29] hehe [07:30] nixternal: konversation 1.0.1 too [07:30] the .diff will be 1 line ;) [07:30] 2 actually, 1 minus, 1 plus...well now it is getting bigger ;) [07:30] and means translations are not affected [07:30] as those aren't entities im sure...but i will make them entitieis for edgy+1 [07:31] nixternal: I'd be tempted not to change the konversation number then, the 1.0 is the important bit [07:31] ok [07:31] Riddell: any possible chance to include the introduction in the hwdb-kde translation template? [07:31] well, if i have to change ktorrent, i might as well change konversation, right? === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-144-142-67.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:32] mhb: that's next on my list [07:32] I like how mhb has got the right idea to just keep poking me on IRC :) [07:35] Riddell: yeah, well ... I wish there was any other way than bothering you for every little thing, you know... [07:35] it's the best way there is, besides fixing it yourself of course :) === Dinofly [n=dinofly@vbo91-1-82-238-217-179.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:36] could anyone that has a dapper box try installing gobby 4 following the instructions on http://darcs.0x539.de/trac/obby/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/wiki/Download ? [07:37] Riddell: but thanks for all the fixes :o) [07:37] trying to get gobby working between dapper, sarge and edgy is fun [07:40] ah ok they have got gobby to work now on dapper, nm [07:40] seaLne: ya [07:40] i was going to say, we send everyone to there when we do the weekly newsletter that still has dapper..so they can gobby with us on collab [07:41] it seems he was just having some problems with the gpg key that was resulting in strange errors [07:42] i ended up just building my own sarge sobby packages as i couldn't get theirs to work === Tonio_ [n=tonio@90.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca_ [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === andrunko [n=andrunko@200.184.118.132] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-42-178.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GNUro [n=GNUro@host174-239-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:21] Hi! === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === Tonio_ [n=tonio@210.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@210.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ariya [n=ariya@i59F546AA.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:04] yes I am [09:05] yes you are what? [09:05] Riddell: :-) [09:05] ariya said I wasn't on this channel [09:05] oh [09:05] haha [09:06] too late [09:06] damage has been done :-) [09:08] Riddell: how can you package so many things? [09:08] most of our packages are taken from debian [09:09] and we have lots of cool people here who packages stuff [09:09] interesting === magical_trevsky [n=magical@80-45-41-53.static.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rideout [n=rideout@tcom163-199-dhcp.colorado.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rideout [n=rideout@tcom163-199-dhcp.colorado.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:37] Riddell: your akademy libsvn-dev package depends on debian version of libapr0-dev, that doesn't exist in edgy === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:39] rideout: it's intended for dapper [09:41] Riddell: that make sense then, I'm building from source [09:41] Riddell: what is the status of the qt build? [09:42] rideout: still compiling away [09:42] thanks === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-44-57.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=imbrando@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-42-30.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:57] imbrandon: pong [09:57] ryanakca, you have multiverse anabled right ? [09:57] aye [09:58] i made an amarok just for you ( since we cant do it officialy since aac is patented encombured ) [09:58] wanna try ? [09:58] lol, thanks [09:58] sure [09:58] its exactly like the one in the repos except it has aac tag support [09:58] deb http://imbrandon.com/amarok? [09:58] yeah [09:59] deb http://imbrandon.com/packages edgy amarok [09:59] ty [09:59] np [09:59] could that version bge stuck into multiverse as amarok-nonfree or something along those lines? [09:59] just make sure you have multiverse anabled or it wont install [09:59] kk === kwwii [n=kwwii@p5495704D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:59] ryanakca, not sure, when i get a little less busy i'll see [09:59] eveniing [09:59] heya kwwii [09:59] !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 [10:00] Sorry, I don't know anything about 111 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [10:00] howdy imbrandon [10:00] heh [10:00] imbrandon: kk [10:00] ubotu: lol, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 =/= 111 :P [10:00] Sorry, I don't know anything about lol, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 =/= 111 :P - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [10:01] =/= ? heh != [10:01] meh, I wasn't sure about that... so I just used the version in my math homework :) [10:01] lol [10:02] imbrandon: is it a bug that you need to restart your scripts each time you restart/reopen amarok? [10:02] or is it supposed to be like that? [10:03] i'm guessing supposed [10:03] kk [10:04] blast those 'You've won our unexistant lottery, please send me your credit card number' e-mails... [10:04] delete, delete, delete... they've for some reason been getting threw GMail's spam filters lately... [10:04] let me know if that works ok, as i dident have any aac files to test it [10:05] anyhow , i'm gonna get some food bbiab [10:05] kk, I'll let you know :) === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:21] imbrandon: I think ubuntu's version has some unescaped HTML problems... http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/amarok.png [10:21] imbrandon: amarok is still upgrading/installing... === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GNUro [n=GNUro@host174-239-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:39] Sime: have you heard about bug 65873 ? [10:39] Malone bug 65873 in kdelibs "Konqueror doesn't show the content of CD/Dvds unless "refresh" is pressed in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65873 [10:40] Sime: I can confirm that issue [10:40] Tonio_: what *kind* of CD/DVD? [10:41] Sime: any, data for example [10:41] I insert a cd, then choose "open in a new windows" and it is empty unless I press F5 [10:41] Sime: I looked at your patches concerning the audiocd part, and I saw your changes [10:42] Sime: the code is too complicated for me but it looks supposed to work, indeed [10:42] Tonio_: Data DVD works here. [10:42] Tonio_: what you can do is.... [10:43] Tonio_: put a DVD in your computer, then do nothing.... [10:43] Tonio_: open up a console and run.... [10:43] Tonio_: "dcop kded mediamanager fullList" [10:43] Tonio_: put that output somewhere where I can see it. [10:43] Sime: okay let me test [10:45] Sime: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/28 [10:45] I can see the cd and it is mounted [10:45] now I choosing "open in a new tab" [10:45] I got /media/cdrom0 -> empty folder [10:45] I press F5 -> I can see the content [10:46] Tonio_: did you get that popup? [10:46] Sime: yes, but I didn't touch at it, I simply ran your command [10:46] Tonio_: so the popup is still open? [10:46] yes [10:47] Sime: if you have a few minutes to test, do you want to vnc on my computer ? [10:47] I insert a cd and you can do what you want to see what happens [10:47] ok, then tell it to open the disk in konq and then run that command again. Right now I can see that kde/hal sees that the disk is unmounted (good). [10:48] http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/29 [10:49] I did as you said -> open in konq -> command [10:49] i can confirm this too [10:50] Sime: media/cdwriter_mounted -> looks good but konq window is empty [10:50] Tonio_: it mounted it correctly, and it *should* have shown up ok in konq. [10:50] Sime: yeah I agree, but that doesn't work [10:50] but if I press F5, no pb, it works [10:51] Tonio_: mmmmm.... [10:51] Sime: hehe, I know ;) [10:51] Sime: are you using edgy currently ? [10:51] yes [10:51] Sime: okay [10:52] nuku: yes, the issue is confirmed by a other people... [10:52] Tonio_: maybe the directory notification subsystem isn't working. [10:52] Sime: the point is that the cd drive launches the first time I press F5 [10:52] seems to read the cd content [10:52] that doesn't happen when konq launches [10:53] Tonio_: It looks like konq isn't hearing that the contents of the directory have changed. [10:53] Sime: true [10:53] Tonio_: /media/cdrom0 is empty, then it gets mounted, then the contents change. [10:53] Sime: hum okay let's test this [10:53] Tonio_: konq should see that it has new contents. [10:53] open in konq see the empty folder and ls /media/cdrom0 [10:53] that should work according to you ? [10:53] I'm testing [10:54] Try opening konq on a directory, then creating a file in that dir from the console. Does the file appear automatcially in konq? [10:55] tonio@kubuntu:~$ ls /media/cdrom0 [10:55] dists doc install isolinux md5sum.txt pics pool preseed README.diskdefines ubuntu [10:55] nothing in konq [10:55] Sime: you're right concerning the problem [10:55] Tonio_: which exactly? :) === imbrandon [n=imbrando@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:55] Sime: yes its getting updated when i create a file in my homedir.. === DaSkreech [n=skreech@port0034-afo-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:56] Sime: okay, creating a file in the shell -> appears automatically in konq [10:56] no problem there [10:56] but with a data cd, doesn't work [10:56] Hi nixternal [10:56] nuku: have you got scsi hardware too? [10:56] well hello DaSkreech [10:56] ls /media/cdrom0 shows the content of the cd, but konq doesn't refresh the infos [10:56] How are you? [10:57] Tonio_: is it the same story for other devices? usb sticks? [10:57] Sime: let me test* [10:57] rah......; no usb key there === DaSkreech has a national holiday today so don't mind if I sound sleepy :) [10:57] nuku: can you test witha use key please ? [10:57] Sime: well not scsi hardware but sata.. [10:57] nuku: ok, [10:58] Tonio_: hold on i have to find it :) [10:58] Tonio_: are you using SATA? [10:58] Sime: yeah [10:58] scd0 -> sata device [10:58] I'm not. [10:58] ok, I thought scsi [10:58] nuku: are you using sata ? [10:58] yes [10:58] hum, looks like an issue with sata then...... [10:58] yeah [10:59] konq doesn't see the content change on scd* things [10:59] yep usb stick works here too [10:59] Sime: and is the audiocd issue related to sata too according to you ? [10:59] refresh doesn't work in that case ;) [10:59] and shell doesn't show the cd content too [11:00] Tonio_: Your /media/cdrom0 is a /dev/scd0 [11:00] Sime: true [11:00] Tonio_: it looks like SATA too. [11:00] I know [11:01] Sime: that's what I told you, my dvd burner is a sata one :) [11:01] and it looks like nuku has a sata device too [11:01] Tonio_: oh, my brain might have drop that info as being not relevant at the time. ;-) [11:01] Sime: hehe :) [11:02] Sime: I will search for kde bts concerning this issue [11:02] now if I can just figure out how search works on LP. [11:02] maybe there is a patch. the point is it looks external to your patches [11:02] Tonio_: it is probably a lower level issue with the kernal and inotify. [11:02] Sime: is there some kind of monitor to watch events? [11:03] Sime: and to be sure, is audio cd working for you ? [11:03] maybe that's sata relative too [11:06] just tested it on another computer without sata.. it works there.. so this really seems to be the problem.. [11:06] nuku: okay [11:06] nuku: can you test with an audio cd now please ? === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:06] on sata and non sata device [11:06] can you see the cd content in /media/cdrom0 ? [11:06] doesn't work at all for me even with refresh [11:06] well first i have to find a audio cd.. :) i dumped them a couple of years ago :) [11:07] audio cds are a little bit different. They don't get mounted, but they should open in audiocd:/ in konq. [11:08] Sime: okay, the point is I have a folder with meta informations [11:09] the meta infos are audiocd:/?device=/dev/scd0 [11:09] that's correct [11:09] hm audiocd:/ seems to work fine here.. [11:09] the problem is that if I double click the icon in /media, is opens like a folder [11:09] nuku: yes, works here too [11:09] nuku: but open konq in /media and double click the cd icon, what happens [11:09] what package should a (guidance-)power-manager related bug be filed under? [11:10] Tonio_: thats empty [11:10] if it's probably not the power manager itself but some layer beneath it (HAL maybe) [11:10] nuku: look at the icons property [11:10] mhb, depends on the bug [11:10] it should be set as a folder, and you should have meta infos I assume [11:11] Sime: it probably shouldn't be set as a folder for konq to respect the meta infos no ? [11:11] Sime: or maybe there is something missing in the meta, dunno [11:11] yep meta info points to audocd:/.. but clicking brings me to /media/cdrom0 [11:11] imbrandon: well, the new power-manager always says that my laptop lid is closed [11:11] nuku: yes, exactly [11:11] nuku: and how about the non-sata machine ? [11:12] hold on [11:12] imbrandon: I think ubuntu's version has some unescaped HTML problems... http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/amarok.png [11:12] mhb, probably hal then [11:12] imbrandon: I'll restart amarok after this song :) [11:12] imbrandon: thanks, I thought so [11:12] ryanakca, i heard you the first time ;) [11:12] Sime: concerning the refresh issue, it looks like it also doesn't work in media:/scd0 on mount, but it works on cd removing ;) [11:12] imbrandon: lol [11:12] Sime: weird...... [11:13] imbrandon: hm, hal doesn't use malone as its bug tracker ... === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:13] imbrandon: report is as bug or no? [11:13] ryanakca, upto you , but use upstreams tracker [11:14] mhb, what ? [11:14] not launchpad? kk [11:14] ryanakca, bugs.kde.org [11:14] imbrandon: wait, maybe it's me getting lost in LP again === imbrandon thinks so [11:15] LP is pretty simple , i dont see how people get lost heh === jjesse [i=user@69-87-143-43.async.iserv.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:15] so the audiocd link is not related to sata as it seems.. [11:15] Tonio_: I just tested an audiocd here, and it opening in /media/cdrom0. (BAD). [11:15] nuku: nope [11:15] goes to /media/cdrom0 too on the non sata machine here.. [11:15] imbrandon: works, thanks :D [11:15] Sime: you can see the cd content ? [11:15] Tonio_: maybe the patch didn't apply to 3.5.5 [11:16] Sime: they did.... I tried to rebuild [11:16] Sime: are you using the ubuntu kde packages ? [11:16] imbrandon: it's quite easy :o) I tried to "jump on product" hal through https://launchpad.net/malone [11:16] Tonio_: yes [11:16] Sime: I too, so what can be the difference ? [11:16] mhb, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/hal/+filebug [11:16] imbrandon: oh, and is it normal that my computer slows down to a crawl and that amarok becomes unresponsive for minutes at a time when I try filling in track info with MusicBrain(s/z)? [11:16] Sime: the point is you are the only one who got it to work :) [11:17] ryanakca, yea thats normal as musicbranz sucks [11:17] imbrandon: thanks,I found it :o) [11:17] Tonio_: i'll grab the .deb source and check the patches. [11:17] Sime: they are correct [11:17] imbrandon: kk [11:17] tonio@kubuntu:~/Desktop/kdebase/kdebase-3.5.5$ grep -d recurse audiocd debian/patches [11:17] debian/patches/kubuntu_83_media_desktop.diff:+ if ( realUrl.protocol()=="audiocd" || realUrl.protocol()=="camera") [11:17] debian/patches/kubuntu_76_kickermedia.diff:+ if ( realUrl.protocol()=="audiocd" || realUrl.protocol()=="camera") [11:18] Sime: If i'm correct that is the changes you did with latest version that should make it to work right ? [11:18] if yes, the patches are there [11:18] ok.. [11:18] media:/scd0 works here for audiocd.. [11:18] Tonio_: that looks right [11:19] Sime: hehe I know, that's the problem :) [11:20] plus media:/scd0 works for normal data dvd/cd without refresh.. [11:20] nuku: yes but that's different [11:20] nuku: that's because the cd is already mounted when you typed /media/scd0 [11:20] Tonio_: I'm going to have to do some rebuilding here so that I can add debug info and find out what is going on. [11:21] nuku: at the same moment, if you type /media/cdrom0 it'll work too [11:21] Sime: great [11:21] Sime: concerning the refresh issue, isn't there a way to discard konq opening ? [11:21] that's a workarround, but should work no ? [11:21] Tonio_: what do you mean exactly? [11:21] konq should open 1/10 sec before the cd mounts, so I assume if we start it just 1 sec later, that should work [11:22] Sime: the point is that konq opens before the cd is mounted right ? [11:22] isn't there a way to invert the two processes ? [11:22] cd mounts -> konq launches* [11:23] that's in the the action selection box/popup code I presume no ? [11:24] that's a workarround but it should work I assume [11:26] Tonio_: no, konq is opened after the medium is mounted. [11:28] Sime: hum, okay so I have to check at the notify issue..... === rouzic [n=rouzic@103.Red-88-19-115.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:28] Sime: I'll try to get that fixed, since you cannot test or reproduce... === rouzic [n=rouzic@103.Red-88-19-115.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [11:29] nuku: if you remove any cd, and open media:/scd0 in konq [11:29] nixternal: there? [11:30] then insert a cd and get it mounted, do you see the window refreshing its content ? [11:30] nuku: doesn't work here === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121n9u.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:35] Tonio_: yep no refresh.. i will try it on the non sata.. [11:36] no refresh either.. === GreyStar [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel === GreyStar [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel === GreyStar [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel [11:43] im somewhere DaSkreech [11:44] nuku: ah ? [11:44] nuku: no refresh on pata ? [11:44] nixternal: If you have 20 minutes free for in depth Chit chat ping me [11:44] ping [11:45] you buying dinner? [11:45] Tonio_: for media:/... at least [11:45] Buy? [11:45] What's that? [11:45] hehe [11:45] mmm dinner [11:45] paying for dinner ;) [11:45] nuku: okay I'll investigate on that point [11:45] jjesse!!! [11:45] you have been hiding i see [11:45] Not sucessfully it semms :-) [11:45] nuku: but you can try this : choose "do nothing" then the cd mounts [11:46] then open the cd in konq -> works [11:46] nuku: that confirms the problem is a refresh problem, so that's not konq itself, but kernel/inotify [11:46] nuku: Sime is right on that point [11:46] konq opens while the cd content is read and doesn't refresh when done [11:47] so whats up DaSkreech? you hacking away at your landscape program? [11:48] Tonio_: yep with "do nothing" it works.. === GreyStar [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel [11:48] nuku: I have to check at konq sata related bugs [11:48] nixternal: Kinda I was brainstorming last night instead of sleeping and wanted to run some stuff by you since you obviously want a much more detailed program than what I had planned [11:48] nixternal: What did you like about the windows program you used? [11:49] haha [11:49] msg me [11:51] nuku: sometimes it works, depends if the cd content is cached or not.... [11:51] strange issue [11:51] Tonio_: well i guess its a race condition.. === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:54] nuku: race condition ? I'm limited english, can you describe more ? [11:55] for Krash, can I use kde 3.5.4 and krash apps at the same time? [11:55] or just krash or just 3.5.4 at any one time? [11:55] Tonio_: Two or more things fighting for the same resource. Which ever process gets it first wins [11:55] two threads running and the wrong finishes first - put in simply words :) [11:55] I think you can Krash apps from any KDE [11:56] DaSkreech: thanks :) [11:56] DaSkreech: you can? [11:57] DaSkreech: so no need to add that line to sources.list and install libqt4-dev (or something like that) ? [11:57] kde4base-dev [11:57] ryanakca: maybe I shuld point out the obvious pun for the word Krash :) [11:58] DaSkreech: yes, you should :P [11:58] lol [11:59] You asked if you could use KDe3.5.4 and krash apps . The Obvious answer is yes you can krash apps in any KDE :) [12:00] lol [12:01] Crash != Krash [12:01] C != K [12:01] ;) === ryanakca is obstinate, I know :) [12:02] ryanakca: krash installs to /usr/lib/kde4 so you can use alongside kde 3 [12:02] at last the packages I made do [12:03] and it wont mess up stuff? I'm wondering about KDEDIR=/usr/lib/kde4 ... will that make kmenu stuff open under kde4 or 3? === rideout [n=rideout@71-218-97-137.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:04] s/'KDEDIR=/usr/lib/kde4'/'export KDEDIR=/usr/lib/kde4' [12:07] (yes, I know it will crash a lot) [12:07] sorry if I'm not being clear... [12:07] s/c/k/ === Dinofly [n=dinofly@vbo91-1-82-238-217-179.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:08] Sime: is there a dcop call to initiate a mount? [12:09] KDE4 is pushed back to Q4? [12:09] nuku: dcop kded mediamanager mount xxxx [12:10] nuku: xxx is a kind of ID, and you get it from... [12:10] nuku: dcop kded mediamanager fullList [12:11] nuku: from the second line of each section. ("sda1", "smb_fs1" etc) [12:11] hdd2 [12:12] k.. thanks