[12:16] <ryanakca> I have 5-6 licence plates for you :)
[12:17] <ryanakca> http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/kubuntu/ (8-14).png
[12:18] <ryanakca> Riddell: which one would you like, in what format? anything I should change?
[12:20] <Riddell> sorry, no time just now
[12:20] <Riddell> but if you have 8 of them I'm sure one will be perfect :)
[12:20] <ryanakca> lol
[12:20] <ryanakca> kk
[12:40] <ryanakca> Tm_T: what dependencies did you install?
[12:50] <imbrandon> ryanakca, its not a matter of amarok having the support, its taglib
[01:15] <ryanakca> imbrandon: ???
[01:15] <ryanakca> [17:52]  <ryanakca> how do you edit tag information on *.m4a ?
[01:15] <ryanakca> [17:52]  <andrewt512> ryanakca, you need Amarok to have been compiled with AAC tag editing support
[01:16] <imbrandon> ryanakca, and it has
[01:16] <imbrandon> i think, lemme look
[01:16] <ryanakca> lol, thanks :)
[01:17] <imbrandon> you are talking NON drm'd also
[01:17] <ryanakca> ?
[01:17] <imbrandon> non-drm'd aac files
[01:17] <ryanakca> I'm talking about tracks copied off a cd with iTunes and then moved over to this computer...
[01:18] <ryanakca> how do I check?
[01:18] <imbrandon> you dont buy them from itunes ;)
[01:18] <imbrandon> rips should be ok, but thats really not the best solution
[01:18] <imbrandon> anyhow lemme look
[01:18] <ryanakca> kk, ty
[01:19] <imbrandon> your better off ripping to ogg/mp3 ( itunes will rip to mp3 if you change the settings )
[01:19] <ryanakca> yeah
[01:19] <ryanakca> well, if you have a script to automagicly convert all my .a4a to .mp3, I'll gladly accept it :)
[01:28] <imbrandon> convert lossless to lossless is not great either ;(
[01:28] <LaserJock> I do .mp3 -> .ogg all the time, naughty me ;-)
[01:28] <imbrandon> nope looks like no .m4a due to lic issues
[01:28] <imbrandon> ryanakca, ^
[01:28] <imbrandon> http://librarian.launchpad.net/4843610/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.amarok_2:1.4.3-0ubuntu10_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[01:28] <imbrandon> ryanakca, ^^ look at that url , in the section "Amarok - PLUGINS"
[01:28] <imbrandon> it will tell you what it is and isnt compiled with, i'll see what the issue with m4a stuff is though
[01:28] <imbrandon> 99% likely its a lic issue
[01:28] <ryanakca> lic?
[01:28] <imbrandon> license
[01:28] <ryanakca> ah
[01:28] <ryanakca> LaserJock: I don't think iPod takes .ogg :(
[01:28] <imbrandon> sure it does if you load rockbox or ipl ;)
[01:28] <ryanakca> lol
[01:28] <ryanakca> I don't... I tried, but I don't :)
[01:28] <ryanakca> brb, shower
[01:28] <imbrandon> and mpeg video and doom and ....
[01:28] <imbrandon> ryanakca, i just looked the libs are in multiverse, i can look into compiling a version for imbrandon.com possibly that has all features enabled as something from multiverse will most certainly never make it to main
[01:40] <gnomefreak> was amarok 1.4.3 ever built for kdebase 3.5.2?
[01:47] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, the backport in dapper-backports is
[01:47] <imbrandon> why >
[01:48] <gnomefreak> 3.5.2 was missing depends for it. i had him upgrade to 3.5.4 
[01:48] <imbrandon> no something else was wrong , if he was using the backport version it could ONLY be built against 3.5.2
[01:48] <imbrandon> as there is no other version in dapper
[01:49] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: he didnt have backports enabled is my bet
[01:49] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, then how was he getting amarok 1.4.3
[01:49] <imbrandon> ?
[01:49] <gnomefreak> he wasnt was why i asked it was erroring on depends
[01:50] <gnomefreak> he wanted it
[01:50] <imbrandon> no but he was obviously trying from somewhere or else it couldent have errored
[01:50] <imbrandon> thus i'm asking where he got 1.4.3
[01:51] <imbrandon> 1.4.3 should be downloaded from dapper-backports ( its newer than kubuntu.org ) is what i'm getting at
[01:52] <gnomefreak> oh
[01:52] <gnomefreak> he used the amarok repo he found on forums i think it was
[01:52] <gnomefreak> or someone in channel
[01:53] <imbrandon> then he should be onb his own, i have no idea whats it was built against if he is getting it from some random place
[01:56] <gnomefreak> i looked at the depends for 1.4.3 and it said kdebase >=3.5.3-1 so i figured at that point it never got to dapper
[01:56] <imbrandon> looked at the depends for what version from where ?
[01:57] <imbrandon> dapper -backports has this ....
[01:57] <imbrandon> Version: 2:1.4.3-0ubuntu8~dapper1
[01:57] <imbrandon> Depends: amarok-xine, ruby, python-qt3, lsb-release, kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.2)
[01:58] <imbrandon> sooo i'm again sayying if it was from some random place i cannot tell you what it depended on
[01:58] <imbrandon> but the one in backports, the one supported is against 3.5.2
[01:59] <gnomefreak> oh ok i understand
[02:00] <gnomefreak> hes gonna break his system soon anyway ;) he wants to do edgy in a week or so
[02:00] <gnomefreak> maybe we will have update-mangler fixed by than
[02:00] <imbrandon> well he will ahve even more problems when he tries to upgrade whith packages from unknown sources installed
[02:01] <imbrandon> anyhow , dinner time bbiab
[02:19] <freeflying> morning all
[02:19] <ryanakca> imbrandon: kk, thanks
[02:34] <ryanakca> morning freeflying
[05:42] <Jucato> Hobbsee!! ;)
[05:43] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[05:43] <Jucato> O_O
[05:46] <Jucato> Hobbsee, why would you pass out?
[05:46] <Hobbsee> Jucato: because i feel like rubbish :P
[05:46] <Jucato> :(
[05:46] <Hobbsee> and i have to be here, as there's a maths test in 15 min.
[05:46] <Jucato> ouch...
[05:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:49] <Jucato> it's the first time I have gotten drunk in 6 months :)
[05:49] <Jucato> well, not really *really* drunk :)
[05:53] <Jucato> :)
[06:01] <imbrandon> ryanakca, ping
[06:01] <Jucato> imbrandon, were you able to hold your lecture  in #ubuntu-classroom?
[06:04] <nixternal> * Hobbsee hasnt had any alcohol in over 2 years.
[06:04] <nixternal> it has been since 2003 for me ;)
[06:04] <nixternal> 2002
[06:05] <nixternal> although
[06:05] <nixternal> it is october..and you know what that means
[06:05] <nixternal> OCTOBER FEST!
[06:05] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[06:05] <Hobbsee> yay octoberfest!
[06:06] <Jucato> lol
[06:06] <nixternal> so, with that being said..i just might have to drink me some sam adams or goose island..and i know if i do that..then it is on to guiness, where if they stop pouring i start screaming
[06:06] <Jucato> I wasn't able to join the local octoberfest. So I just joined a neighbor's birthday party and drank :)
[08:18] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[10:15] <Riddell> hi viviersf 
[10:15] <viviersf> hi
[10:15] <viviersf> tell me 
[10:16] <viviersf> did you need to change things in the frontend for the install
[10:16] <viviersf> to work on edgy ?
[11:34] <Tonio_> hey
[01:53] <sebas> Is knot3 the latest image?
[01:54] <abattoir> sebas: afaik beta is the latest 'release' there are daily images available too
[01:56] <sebas> Ah, where?
[01:56] <abattoir> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/
[01:57] <sebas> Hm, there's no daily Kubuntu image
[01:57] <sebas> Ow wait ... that's *all* kubuntu :>
[01:58] <abattoir> yes :)
[02:04] <Riddell> sebas: if you try a daily image, let me know how you get on
[02:05] <abattoir> hi Riddell :)
[02:08] <Riddell> afternoon abattoir 
[02:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey ;) did you touch the qt4 packages this we ?
[02:23] <Tonio_> looks like libQtCore_debug.so.4 isn't in libqt4-debug package anymore...
[02:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: I updated to qt 4.2
[02:23] <Riddell> yes, the _debug libraries don't exist any more
[02:23] <Riddell> what's the app?
[02:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah... that can explain... wengophone doesn't work anymore
[02:23] <Riddell> uh oh
[02:24] <Tonio_> I'll try to rebuild...
[02:24] <Riddell> for qmake apps you just re-run qmake
[02:24] <Tonio_> yeah that's what I though too
[02:24] <Riddell> dunno if scons/cmake will need some changes to not try and use _debug
[02:24] <Tonio_> the point is that debug is everywhere in the code.... ;)
[02:26] <Tonio_> it is not currently possible to build wengo without debug, but rebuilding it will obably help
[02:26] <Tonio_> probably
[02:28] <sebas> Do more people have stability problems with Quanta?
[02:28] <sebas> It just crashed for the second time in a couple of minutes here
[02:28] <Tonio_> hey sebas ! I don't use quanta, sorry
[02:29] <RockMan> hi
[02:29] <Riddell> yo RockMan 
[02:29] <Tonio_> hey RockMan
[02:31] <RockMan> i just release kdebluetooth 1.0_beta23
[02:31] <RockMan> *beta32
[02:31] <RockMan> grr
[02:31] <RockMan> beta2
[02:31] <Riddell> woo!
[02:32] <Tonio_> RockMan: hehe, cool !
[02:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: libqt4-debug-dev-kdecopy the equivalent of old libqt4-dev ?
[02:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's just what the kde 4 packages are built against
[02:33] <Riddell> don't use it
[02:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is no dev files for qt4-debug then ?
[02:33] <Tonio_> I can find libqt4-debug-dev
[02:33] <sebas> ey Tonio_ 
[02:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: correct, it doesn't exist any more
[02:33] <Tonio_> sebas: :)
[02:34] <Riddell> RockMan: blog!
[02:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah.... okay let's fix the package....
[02:34] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee 
[02:34] <RockMan> oh.. right! that's what i forgot
[02:34] <Jucato> which version of KDE will Edgy be released with? 3.5.4 or 3.5.5?
[02:36] <Riddell> Jucato: 3.5.5
[02:36] <Jucato> ah thanks :)
[02:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about that, I noticed an issue in knetworkmanager with 3.5.5
[02:36] <Tonio_> kdeinit sometimes fails to restore it from a saved session
[02:36] <Tonio_> I'll contact timo about that issue
[02:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: Hobbsee confirms the issue
[02:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: heliocastro is okay to commit the ark patches to kde svn
[02:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you commit ?
[02:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure, send me the diff
[02:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[02:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: sent, there are 3 patches
[03:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like I can't build wengophone... /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lQtCore_debug
[03:41] <Tonio_> dunno hw to workarround this without the libqt4-debug-dev package...
[03:42] <Riddell> ask upstream how theyir qt 4.2 support is coming along
[03:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah, there is probably a solution on the dev website.... I hope
[03:46] <jdong> Riddell: why after the latest kubuntu-default-s upgrade did konsole go back to andale mono as its font? :)
[03:46] <jdong> it kind of looks.... umm.... really really ugly :)
[03:46] <Riddell> jdong: I've uploaded a fix for that
[03:46] <jdong> cool, thanks
[03:46] <jdong> didn't see it on edgy-changes yet
[03:47] <Riddell> Accepted kubuntu-default-settings 1:6.10-59
[03:47] <Riddell> needs approved before it'll be in changes
[03:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like it is supposed to work....
[03:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: afaics qt4.2 is supposed to have debug headers....
[03:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: are your packages merges from debian ?
[03:50] <Riddell> yes
[03:50] <Riddell> ervin just told me we might be missing qdebug.h
[03:50] <Riddell> if that what you are seeing?
[03:50] <Tonio_> hehe, yes ;)
[03:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll just wait a bit... that's not an official package, so it can wait
[03:55] <Tonio_> in any case wengophone is reported to have big issues with qt 4.2
[04:33] <oslo> hi
[04:34] <oslo> i could i tape what i see on my desktop to avi ?
[04:34] <oslo> soory, how could i tape what i see on my desktop to an video file ?
[04:36] <Jucato> screenkast? (not in the repos, iirc)
[04:36] <Jucato> http://sourceforge.net/projects/screenkast
[04:37] <oslo> Jucato> i gonna see
[05:06] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I've got screenkast in my SoS repo, for dapper
[05:13] <Jucato> Hawkwind: not for me. for oslo 
[05:14] <Hawkwind> Huh ?
[05:15] <Jucato> nvm :)
[06:17] <fdoving> hmm.. the google search box on the about:konqueror page, doesn't work as expected if you change the 'konq -> settings -> web shortcuts -> keyword delimiter' from colon to space.
[06:38] <pef> hello
[06:38] <Riddell> hi pef 
[06:39] <Riddell> don't think we've seen you around for a while
[06:41] <pef> Riddell: yes, a few months, but now i have free again
[06:41] <Riddell> yay!
[06:41] <Riddell> help test edgy!
[06:41] <pef> Riddell: iso is currently downloading :)
[06:44] <Riddell> viviersf: hi
[06:45] <Riddell> viviersf: did I ever answer your question about chgning the install for edgy?
[07:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: qdebug.h is in /usr/include/qt4/Qt/qdebug.h
[07:09] <Riddell> and /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qdebug.h
[07:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'll try to patch and build
[07:25] <mhb> Riddell: did you received my message that the release notes available for translation are out-of-date? Can you poke someone to quickly fix that (since transl. freeze is in 3 days), please?
[07:26] <Riddell> nixternal: ping ^^
[07:26] <nixternal> hrmm
[07:26] <nixternal> out of date already
[07:26] <Riddell> mhb: I'm looking at the system settings .desktop translation issue now, do you know if it affects other desktop translations?
[07:26] <nixternal> i will get on that right now!
[07:26] <Riddell> mhb: remind nixternal what was out of date?  kde version was it not?
[07:26] <nixternal> oh ya
[07:27] <nixternal> it is kde version w/o a doubt
[07:27] <nixternal> easy fix there...anythign else?
[07:27] <nixternal> 3.5.5 correct?
[07:27] <Riddell> yes
[07:27] <nixternal> damn...im going to have to get an exception i bet
[07:28] <Riddell> nixternal: should be fine
[07:28] <mhb> Riddell: I'm not sure
[07:29] <nixternal> well, this will effect more than just the release notes though..it effects all kubuntu docs...as the version is stored in global.ent file, and we use like &kde-rev; to get the version into the doco
[07:29] <Riddell> nixternal: looks like we have ktorrent 2.0.3 as well
[07:29] <Riddell> nixternal: good, that makes the diff smaller
[07:29] <nixternal> hehe
[07:30] <Riddell> nixternal: konversation 1.0.1 too
[07:30] <nixternal> the .diff will be 1 line ;)
[07:30] <nixternal> 2 actually, 1 minus, 1 plus...well now it is getting bigger ;)
[07:30] <Riddell> and means translations are not affected
[07:30] <nixternal> as those aren't entities im sure...but i will make them entitieis for edgy+1
[07:31] <Riddell> nixternal: I'd be tempted not to change the konversation number then, the 1.0 is the important bit
[07:31] <nixternal> ok
[07:31] <mhb> Riddell: any possible chance to include the introduction in the hwdb-kde translation template?
[07:31] <nixternal> well, if i have to change ktorrent, i might as well change konversation, right?
[07:32] <Riddell> mhb: that's next on my list
[07:32] <Riddell> I like how mhb has got the right idea to just keep poking me on IRC :)
[07:35] <mhb> Riddell: yeah, well ... I wish there was any other way than bothering you for every little thing, you know...
[07:35] <Riddell> it's the best way there is, besides fixing it yourself of course :)
[07:36] <seaLne> could anyone that has a dapper box try installing gobby 4 following the instructions on http://darcs.0x539.de/trac/obby/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/wiki/Download ?
[07:37] <mhb> Riddell: but thanks for all the fixes :o)
[07:37] <seaLne> trying to get gobby working between dapper, sarge and edgy is fun
[07:40] <seaLne> ah ok they have got gobby to work now on dapper, nm
[07:40] <nixternal> seaLne: ya
[07:40] <nixternal> i was going to say, we send everyone to there when we do the weekly newsletter that still has dapper..so they can gobby with us on collab
[07:41] <seaLne> it seems he was just having some problems with the gpg key that was resulting in strange errors
[07:42] <seaLne> i ended up just building my own sarge sobby packages as i couldn't get theirs to work
[08:21] <GNUro> Hi!
[09:04] <Riddell> yes I am
[09:05] <nixternal> yes you are what?
[09:05] <ariya> Riddell: :-)
[09:05] <Riddell> ariya said I wasn't on this channel
[09:05] <nixternal> oh
[09:05] <nixternal> haha
[09:06] <ariya> too late
[09:06] <ariya> damage has been done :-)
[09:08] <ariya> Riddell: how can you package so many things?
[09:08] <Riddell> most of our packages are taken from debian
[09:09] <Riddell> and we have lots of cool people here who packages stuff
[09:09] <ariya> interesting
[09:37] <rideout> Riddell: your akademy libsvn-dev package depends on debian version of libapr0-dev, that doesn't exist in edgy
[09:39] <Riddell> rideout: it's intended for dapper
[09:41] <rideout> Riddell: that make sense then, I'm building from source 
[09:41] <rideout> Riddell: what is the status of the qt build?
[09:42] <Riddell> rideout: still compiling away
[09:42] <rideout> thanks
[09:57] <ryanakca_> imbrandon: pong
[09:57] <imbrandon> ryanakca, you have multiverse anabled right ?
[09:57] <ryanakca> aye
[09:58] <imbrandon> i made an amarok just for you ( since we cant do it officialy since aac is patented encombured )
[09:58] <imbrandon> wanna try ?
[09:58] <ryanakca> lol, thanks
[09:58] <ryanakca> sure
[09:58] <imbrandon> its exactly like the one in the repos except it has aac tag support
[09:58] <ryanakca> deb http://imbrandon.com/amarok?
[09:58] <ryanakca> yeah
[09:59] <imbrandon> deb http://imbrandon.com/packages edgy amarok
[09:59] <ryanakca> ty
[09:59] <imbrandon> np
[09:59] <ryanakca> could that version bge stuck into multiverse as amarok-nonfree or something along those lines?
[09:59] <imbrandon> just make sure you have multiverse anabled or it wont install
[09:59] <ryanakca> kk
[09:59] <imbrandon> ryanakca, not sure, when i get a little less busy i'll see
[09:59] <kwwii> eveniing
[09:59] <imbrandon> heya kwwii
[09:59] <imbrandon> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
[10:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 111 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:00] <kwwii> howdy imbrandon
[10:00] <imbrandon> heh
[10:00] <ryanakca> imbrandon: kk
[10:00] <ryanakca> ubotu: lol, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 =/= 111 :P
[10:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lol, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 =/= 111 :P - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:01] <imbrandon> =/= ? heh !=
[10:01] <ryanakca> meh, I wasn't sure about that... so I just used the version in my math homework :)
[10:01] <imbrandon> lol
[10:02] <ryanakca> imbrandon: is it a bug that you need to restart your scripts each time you restart/reopen amarok?
[10:02] <ryanakca> or is it supposed to be like that?
[10:03] <imbrandon> i'm guessing supposed
[10:03] <ryanakca> kk
[10:04] <ryanakca> blast those 'You've won our unexistant lottery, please send me your credit card number' e-mails...
[10:04] <ryanakca> delete, delete, delete... they've for some reason been getting threw GMail's spam filters lately...
[10:04] <imbrandon> let me know if that works ok, as i dident have any aac files to test it
[10:05] <imbrandon> anyhow , i'm gonna get some food bbiab
[10:05] <ryanakca> kk, I'll let you know :)
[10:21] <ryanakca> imbrandon: I think ubuntu's version has some unescaped HTML problems... http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/amarok.png
[10:21] <ryanakca> imbrandon: amarok is still upgrading/installing...
[10:39] <Tonio_> Sime: have you heard about bug 65873 ?
[10:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65873 in kdelibs "Konqueror doesn't show the content of CD/Dvds unless "refresh" is pressed in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65873
[10:40] <Tonio_> Sime: I can confirm that issue
[10:40] <Sime> Tonio_: what *kind* of CD/DVD?
[10:41] <Tonio_> Sime: any, data for example
[10:41] <Tonio_> I insert a cd, then choose "open in a new windows" and it is empty unless I press F5
[10:41] <Tonio_> Sime: I looked at your patches concerning the audiocd part, and I saw your changes
[10:42] <Tonio_> Sime: the code is too complicated for me but it looks supposed to work, indeed
[10:42] <Sime> Tonio_: Data DVD works here.
[10:42] <Sime> Tonio_: what you can do is....
[10:43] <Sime> Tonio_: put a DVD in your computer, then do nothing....
[10:43] <Sime> Tonio_: open up a console and run....
[10:43] <Sime> Tonio_:  "dcop kded mediamanager fullList"
[10:43] <Sime> Tonio_: put that output somewhere where  I can see it.
[10:43] <Tonio_> Sime: okay let me test
[10:45] <Tonio_> Sime: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/28
[10:45] <Tonio_> I can see the cd and it is mounted
[10:45] <Tonio_> now I choosing "open in a new tab"
[10:45] <Tonio_> I got /media/cdrom0 -> empty folder
[10:45] <Tonio_> I press F5 -> I can see the content
[10:46] <Sime> Tonio_: did you get that popup?
[10:46] <Tonio_> Sime: yes, but I didn't touch at it, I simply ran your command
[10:46] <Sime> Tonio_: so the popup is still open?
[10:46] <Tonio_> yes
[10:47] <Tonio_> Sime: if you have a few minutes to test, do you want to vnc on my computer ?
[10:47] <Tonio_> I insert a cd and you can do what you want to see what happens
[10:47] <Sime> ok, then tell it to open the disk in konq and then run that command again. Right now I can see that kde/hal sees that the disk is unmounted (good).
[10:48] <Tonio_> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/29
[10:49] <Tonio_> I did as you said -> open in konq -> command
[10:49] <nuku> i can confirm this too
[10:50] <Tonio_> Sime: media/cdwriter_mounted -> looks good but konq window is empty
[10:50] <Sime> Tonio_: it mounted it correctly, and it *should* have shown up ok in konq.
[10:50] <Tonio_> Sime: yeah I agree, but that doesn't work
[10:50] <Tonio_> but if I press F5, no pb, it works
[10:51] <Sime> Tonio_: mmmmm....
[10:51] <Tonio_> Sime: hehe, I know ;)
[10:51] <Tonio_> Sime: are you using edgy currently ?
[10:51] <Sime> yes
[10:51] <Tonio_> Sime: okay
[10:52] <Tonio_> nuku: yes, the issue is confirmed by a other people...
[10:52] <Sime> Tonio_: maybe the directory notification subsystem isn't working.
[10:52] <Tonio_> Sime: the point is that the cd drive launches the first time I press F5
[10:52] <Tonio_> seems to read the cd content
[10:52] <Tonio_> that doesn't happen when konq launches
[10:53] <Sime> Tonio_: It looks like konq isn't hearing that the contents of the directory have changed.
[10:53] <Tonio_> Sime: true
[10:53] <Sime> Tonio_: /media/cdrom0 is empty, then it gets mounted, then the contents change.
[10:53] <Tonio_> Sime: hum okay let's test this
[10:53] <Sime> Tonio_: konq should see that it has new contents.
[10:53] <Tonio_> open in konq see the empty folder and ls /media/cdrom0
[10:53] <Tonio_> that should work according to you ?
[10:53] <Tonio_> I'm testing
[10:54] <Sime> Try opening konq on a directory, then creating a file in that dir from the console. Does the file appear automatcially in konq?
[10:55] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~$ ls /media/cdrom0
[10:55] <Tonio_> dists  doc  install  isolinux  md5sum.txt  pics  pool  preseed  README.diskdefines  ubuntu
[10:55] <Tonio_> nothing in konq
[10:55] <Tonio_> Sime: you're right concerning the problem
[10:55] <Sime> Tonio_: which exactly? :)
[10:55] <nuku> Sime: yes its getting updated when i create a file in my homedir..
[10:56] <Tonio_> Sime: okay, creating a file in the shell -> appears automatically in konq
[10:56] <Tonio_> no problem there
[10:56] <Tonio_> but with a data cd, doesn't work
[10:56] <DaSkreech> Hi nixternal
[10:56] <Sime> nuku: have you got scsi hardware too?
[10:56] <nixternal> well hello DaSkreech
[10:56] <Tonio_> ls /media/cdrom0 shows the content of the cd, but konq doesn't refresh the infos
[10:56] <DaSkreech> How are you?
[10:57] <Sime> Tonio_: is it the same story for other devices? usb sticks?
[10:57] <Tonio_> Sime: let me test*
[10:57] <Tonio_> rah......; no usb key there
[10:57] <Tonio_> nuku: can you test witha use key please ?
[10:57] <nuku> Sime: well not scsi hardware but sata.. 
[10:57] <Sime> nuku: ok,
[10:58] <nuku> Tonio_: hold on i have to find it :)
[10:58] <Sime> Tonio_: are you using SATA?
[10:58] <Tonio_> Sime: yeah
[10:58] <Tonio_> scd0 -> sata device
[10:58] <Sime> I'm not.
[10:58] <Sime> ok, I thought scsi
[10:58] <Tonio_> nuku: are you using sata ?
[10:58] <nuku> yes
[10:58] <Tonio_> hum, looks like an issue with sata then......
[10:58] <Sime> yeah
[10:59] <Tonio_> konq doesn't see the content change on scd* things
[10:59] <nuku> yep usb stick works here too
[10:59] <Tonio_> Sime: and is the audiocd issue related to sata too according to you ?
[10:59] <Tonio_> refresh doesn't work in that case ;)
[10:59] <Tonio_> and shell doesn't show the cd content too
[11:00] <Sime> Tonio_: Your /media/cdrom0 is a /dev/scd0
[11:00] <Tonio_> Sime: true
[11:00] <Sime> Tonio_: it looks like SATA too.
[11:00] <Tonio_> I know
[11:01] <Tonio_> Sime: that's what I told you, my dvd burner is a sata one :)
[11:01] <Tonio_> and it looks like nuku has a sata device too
[11:01] <Sime> Tonio_: oh, my brain might have drop that info as being not relevant at the time. ;-)
[11:01] <Tonio_> Sime: hehe :)
[11:02] <Tonio_> Sime: I will search for kde bts concerning this issue
[11:02] <Sime> now if I can just figure out how search works on LP.
[11:02] <Tonio_> maybe there is a patch. the point is it looks external to your patches
[11:02] <Sime> Tonio_: it is probably a lower level issue with the kernal and inotify.
[11:02] <nuku> Sime: is there some kind of monitor to watch events?
[11:03] <Tonio_> Sime: and to be sure, is audio cd working for you ?
[11:03] <Tonio_> maybe that's sata relative too
[11:06] <nuku> just tested it on another computer without sata.. it works there.. so this really seems to be the problem..
[11:06] <Tonio_> nuku: okay
[11:06] <Tonio_> nuku: can you test with an audio cd now please ?
[11:06] <Tonio_> on sata and non sata device
[11:06] <Tonio_> can you see the cd content in /media/cdrom0 ?
[11:06] <Tonio_> doesn't work at all for me even with refresh
[11:06] <nuku> well first i have to find a audio cd.. :) i dumped them a couple of years ago :)
[11:07] <Sime> audio cds are a little bit different. They don't get mounted, but they should open in audiocd:/ in konq.
[11:08] <Tonio_> Sime: okay, the point is I have a folder with meta informations
[11:09] <Tonio_> the meta infos are audiocd:/?device=/dev/scd0
[11:09] <Tonio_> that's correct
[11:09] <nuku> hm audiocd:/ seems to work fine here..
[11:09] <Tonio_> the problem is that if I double click the icon in /media, is opens like a folder
[11:09] <Tonio_> nuku: yes, works here too
[11:09] <Tonio_> nuku: but open konq in /media and double click the cd icon, what happens
[11:09] <mhb> what package should a (guidance-)power-manager related bug be filed under?
[11:10] <nuku> Tonio_: thats empty
[11:10] <mhb> if it's probably not the power manager itself but some layer beneath it (HAL maybe)
[11:10] <Tonio_> nuku: look at the icons property
[11:10] <imbrandon> mhb, depends on the bug
[11:10] <Tonio_> it should be set as a folder, and you should have meta infos I assume
[11:11] <Tonio_> Sime: it probably shouldn't be set as a folder for konq to respect the meta infos no ?
[11:11] <Tonio_> Sime: or maybe there is something missing in the meta, dunno
[11:11] <nuku> yep meta info points to audocd:/.. but clicking brings me to /media/cdrom0
[11:11] <mhb> imbrandon: well, the new power-manager always says that my laptop lid is closed
[11:11] <Tonio_> nuku: yes, exactly
[11:11] <Tonio_> nuku: and how about the non-sata machine ?
[11:12] <nuku> hold on
[11:12] <ryanakca> imbrandon: I think ubuntu's version has some unescaped HTML problems... http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/amarok.png
[11:12] <imbrandon> mhb, probably hal then
[11:12] <ryanakca> imbrandon: I'll restart amarok after this song :)
[11:12] <mhb> imbrandon: thanks, I thought so
[11:12] <imbrandon> ryanakca, i heard you the first time ;)
[11:12] <Tonio_> Sime: concerning the refresh issue, it looks like it also doesn't work in media:/scd0 on mount, but it works on cd removing ;)
[11:12] <ryanakca> imbrandon: lol
[11:12] <Tonio_> Sime: weird......
[11:13] <mhb> imbrandon: hm, hal doesn't use malone as its bug tracker ...
[11:13] <ryanakca> imbrandon: report is as bug or no?
[11:13] <imbrandon> ryanakca, upto you , but use upstreams tracker
[11:14] <imbrandon> mhb, what ?
[11:14] <ryanakca> not launchpad? kk
[11:14] <imbrandon> ryanakca, bugs.kde.org
[11:14] <mhb> imbrandon: wait, maybe it's me getting lost in LP again
[11:15] <imbrandon> LP is pretty simple , i dont see how people get lost heh
[11:15] <nuku> so the audiocd link is not related to sata as it seems..
[11:15] <Sime> Tonio_: I just tested an audiocd here, and it opening in /media/cdrom0. (BAD).
[11:15] <Tonio_> nuku: nope
[11:15] <nuku> goes to /media/cdrom0 too on the non sata machine here..
[11:15] <ryanakca> imbrandon: works, thanks :D
[11:15] <Tonio_> Sime: you can see the cd content ?
[11:15] <Sime> Tonio_: maybe the patch didn't apply to 3.5.5
[11:16] <Tonio_> Sime: they did.... I tried to rebuild
[11:16] <Tonio_> Sime: are you using the ubuntu kde packages ?
[11:16] <mhb> imbrandon: it's quite easy :o) I tried to "jump on product" hal through https://launchpad.net/malone
[11:16] <Sime> Tonio_: yes
[11:16] <Tonio_> Sime: I too, so what can be the difference ?
[11:16] <imbrandon> mhb, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/hal/+filebug
[11:16] <ryanakca> imbrandon: oh, and is it normal that my computer slows down to a crawl and that amarok becomes unresponsive for minutes at a time when I try filling in track info with MusicBrain(s/z)?
[11:16] <Tonio_> Sime: the point is you are the only one who got it to work :)
[11:17] <imbrandon> ryanakca, yea thats normal as musicbranz sucks
[11:17] <mhb> imbrandon: thanks,I found it :o)
[11:17] <Sime> Tonio_: i'll grab the .deb source and check the patches.
[11:17] <Tonio_> Sime: they are correct
[11:17] <ryanakca> imbrandon: kk
[11:17] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~/Desktop/kdebase/kdebase-3.5.5$ grep -d recurse audiocd debian/patches
[11:17] <Tonio_> debian/patches/kubuntu_83_media_desktop.diff:+    if ( realUrl.protocol()=="audiocd" || realUrl.protocol()=="camera")
[11:17] <Tonio_> debian/patches/kubuntu_76_kickermedia.diff:+    if ( realUrl.protocol()=="audiocd" || realUrl.protocol()=="camera")
[11:18] <Tonio_> Sime: If i'm correct that is the changes you did with latest version that should make it to work right ?
[11:18] <Tonio_> if yes, the patches are there
[11:18] <nuku> ok..
[11:18] <nuku> media:/scd0 works here for audiocd..
[11:18] <Sime> Tonio_: that looks right
[11:19] <Tonio_> Sime: hehe I know, that's the problem :)
[11:20] <nuku> plus media:/scd0 works for normal data dvd/cd without refresh..
[11:20] <Tonio_> nuku: yes but that's different
[11:20] <Tonio_> nuku: that's because the cd is already mounted when you typed /media/scd0
[11:20] <Sime> Tonio_: I'm going to have to do some rebuilding here so that I can add debug info and find out what is going on.
[11:21] <Tonio_> nuku: at the same moment, if you type /media/cdrom0 it'll work too
[11:21] <Tonio_> Sime: great
[11:21] <Tonio_> Sime: concerning the refresh issue, isn't there a way to discard konq opening ?
[11:21] <Tonio_> that's a workarround, but should work no ?
[11:21] <Sime> Tonio_: what do you mean exactly?
[11:21] <Tonio_> konq should open 1/10 sec before the cd mounts, so I assume if we start it just 1 sec later, that should work
[11:22] <Tonio_> Sime: the point is that konq opens before the cd is mounted right ?
[11:22] <Tonio_> isn't there a way to invert the two processes ?
[11:22] <Tonio_> cd mounts -> konq launches*
[11:23] <Tonio_> that's in the the action selection box/popup code I presume no ?
[11:24] <Tonio_> that's a workarround but it should work I assume
[11:26] <Sime> Tonio_: no, konq is opened after the medium is mounted.
[11:28] <Tonio_> Sime: hum, okay so I have to check at the notify issue.....
[11:28] <Tonio_> Sime: I'll try to get that fixed, since you cannot test or reproduce...
[11:29] <Tonio_> nuku: if you remove any cd, and open media:/scd0 in konq
[11:29] <DaSkreech> nixternal: there?
[11:30] <Tonio_> then insert a cd and get it mounted, do you see the window refreshing its content ?
[11:30] <Tonio_> nuku: doesn't work here
[11:35] <nuku> Tonio_: yep no refresh.. i will try it on the non sata..
[11:36] <nuku> no refresh either..
[11:43] <nixternal> im somewhere DaSkreech
[11:44] <Tonio_> nuku: ah ?
[11:44] <Tonio_> nuku: no refresh on pata ?
[11:44] <DaSkreech> nixternal: If you have 20 minutes free for in depth Chit chat ping me
[11:44] <nixternal> ping
[11:45] <nixternal> you buying dinner?
[11:45] <nuku> Tonio_: for media:/... at least
[11:45] <DaSkreech> Buy?
[11:45] <DaSkreech>  What's that?
[11:45] <nixternal> hehe
[11:45] <jjesse> mmm dinner
[11:45] <nixternal> paying for dinner ;)
[11:45] <Tonio_> nuku: okay I'll investigate on that point
[11:45] <nixternal> jjesse!!!
[11:45] <nixternal> you have been hiding i see
[11:45] <DaSkreech> Not sucessfully it semms :-)
[11:45] <Tonio_> nuku: but you can try this : choose "do nothing" then the cd mounts
[11:46] <Tonio_> then open the cd in konq -> works
[11:46] <Tonio_> nuku: that confirms the problem is a refresh problem, so that's not konq itself, but kernel/inotify
[11:46] <Tonio_> nuku: Sime is right on that point
[11:46] <Tonio_> konq opens while the cd content is read and doesn't refresh when done
[11:47] <nixternal> so whats up DaSkreech? you hacking away at your landscape program?
[11:48] <nuku> Tonio_: yep with "do nothing" it works..
[11:48] <Tonio_> nuku: I have to check at konq sata related bugs
[11:48] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Kinda I was brainstorming last night instead of sleeping and wanted to run some stuff by you since you obviously want a much more detailed program than what I had planned
[11:48] <DaSkreech> nixternal: What did you like about the windows program you used?
[11:49] <nixternal> haha
[11:49] <nixternal> msg me
[11:51] <Tonio_> nuku: sometimes it works, depends if the cd content is cached or not....
[11:51] <Tonio_> strange issue
[11:51] <nuku> Tonio_: well i guess its a race condition..
[11:54] <Tonio_> nuku: race condition ? I'm limited english, can you describe more ?
[11:55] <ryanakca> for Krash, can I use kde 3.5.4 and krash apps at the same time?
[11:55] <ryanakca> or just krash or just 3.5.4 at any one time?
[11:55] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: Two or more things fighting for the same resource. Which ever process gets it first wins
[11:55] <nuku> two threads running and the wrong finishes first - put in simply words :)
[11:55] <DaSkreech> I think you can Krash apps from any KDE
[11:56] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: thanks :)
[11:56] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: you can?
[11:57] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: so no need to add that line to sources.list and install libqt4-dev (or something like that) ?
[11:57] <ryanakca> kde4base-dev
[11:57] <DaSkreech> ryanakca: maybe I shuld point out the obvious pun for the word Krash :)
[11:58] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: yes, you should :P
[11:58] <ryanakca> lol
[11:59] <DaSkreech> You asked if you could use KDe3.5.4 and krash apps . The Obvious answer is yes you can krash apps in any KDE :)
[12:00] <ryanakca> lol
[12:01] <ryanakca> Crash != Krash
[12:01] <ryanakca> 	C	 != 	K	
[12:01] <ryanakca> ;)
[12:02] <Riddell> ryanakca: krash installs to /usr/lib/kde4 so you can use alongside kde 3
[12:02] <Riddell> at last the packages I made do
[12:03] <ryanakca> and it wont mess up stuff? I'm wondering about KDEDIR=/usr/lib/kde4 ... will that make kmenu stuff open under kde4 or 3?
[12:04] <ryanakca> s/'KDEDIR=/usr/lib/kde4'/'export KDEDIR=/usr/lib/kde4'
[12:07] <ryanakca> (yes, I know it will crash a lot)
[12:07] <ryanakca> sorry if I'm not being clear...
[12:07] <DaSkreech> s/c/k/
[12:08] <nuku> Sime: is there a dcop call to initiate a mount?
[12:09] <DaSkreech> KDE4 is pushed back to Q4?
[12:09] <Sime> nuku: dcop kded mediamanager mount xxxx
[12:10] <Sime> nuku: xxx is a kind of ID, and you get it from...
[12:10] <Sime> nuku: dcop kded mediamanager fullList
[12:11] <Sime> nuku: from the second line of each section. ("sda1", "smb_fs1" etc)
[12:11] <Sime> hdd2
[12:12] <nuku> k.. thanks