[02:20] <localuser> Hello all
[03:02] <nixternal> why do people join for 3 minutes
[03:03] <Madpilot> spammers or regulars?
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[03:09] <nixternal> [19:20:25]  <localuser> Hello all
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[03:09] <nixternal> im thinking a spammer, as i have seen him on a couple of channels today with the same thing
[03:09] <Madpilot> odd
[03:09] <Plug> maybe to get /names
[11:20] <pepsiman> Can someone apply this patch to svn please http://rafb.net/paste/results/P0f6mS74.html
[07:35] <nixternal> mdke: ping?
[07:35] <nixternal> hiya LaserJock ;)
[07:35] <LaserJock> hola
[07:35] <nixternal> it seems there have been some version changes in Kubuntu since the release notes were completed
[07:35] <nixternal> Konversation is now 1.0.1 and KTorrent is now 2.0.3
[07:36] <nixternal> how do i go about getting that fixed the right way?  as if i make changes, it will break translations will it not?
[07:42] <pepsiman> Can someone apply this patch to svn please http://rafb.net/paste/results/P0f6mS74.html
[07:42] <LaserJock> pepsiman: I'll take a look
[07:43] <nixternal> well that would be LaserJock's job on that one ;)
[07:46] <pepsiman> these long lines make patches hard to read
[07:46] <nixternal> ya they do
[07:47] <LaserJock> yeah, yeah, yeah
[07:47] <nixternal> there are 2 lines i can't distinguish the changes..but it looks good to me nonetheless
[07:47] <LaserJock> I need to figure out the best way to edit these
[07:47] <LaserJock> I either get tiny little lines, or 1 line per paragraph
[07:47] <nixternal> well, im sure come 6 months from now that is all going to be different anyways
[07:47] <LaserJock> stupid line wrapping ;-)
[07:48] <nixternal> is it possible pepsiman for you to do 'svn diff > LaserJock_needs_a_grammar_checker.patch'
[07:48] <nixternal> :D
[07:48] <nixternal> i can't wink in my smiles no more, jono don't like that ;)
[07:49] <nixternal> i always do ;)...as it is one less shift
[07:49] <LaserJock> darn, I read that this morning too
[07:49] <nixternal> hehe
[07:49] <LaserJock> I was like, "Oops, that's me" :-)
[07:49] <nixternal> you are guilty as well i see
[07:49] <nixternal> haha me too
[07:50] <nixternal> in konversation i will just setup a filter to take my ;) and turn it into :)
[07:50] <nixternal> whoever came up with the smileys anyways needs a new hole in his/her head
[08:32] <pepsiman> LaserJock: patch ok?
[08:33] <nixternal> 
[08:35] <pepsiman> ;)
[08:37] <LaserJock> pepsiman: haven't looked at all of it but it looks fine
[08:37] <LaserJock> pepsiman: I'll try to commit it soon, I'm in the middle of wading through email
[08:38] <pepsiman> ok
[09:36] <mdke> nixternal: pong
[09:45] <mdke> there aren't any screenshots in our docs are there?
[09:48] <LaserJock> not in mine :-)
[09:48] <mdke> good
[09:49] <mdke> how's it going LaserJock 
[09:49] <LaserJock> busy
[09:49] <tonyyarusso> Say, why does Edgy not have the Desktop Guide, etc. format in the system documentation?
[09:49] <LaserJock> it just keeps getting busier
[09:50] <LaserJock> because we wanted to make it better :-)
[09:50] <tonyyarusso> Gotcha.
[09:50] <tonyyarusso> Haven't really poked around too much to see what is there now; just noticed it was different when I tried to point a Dapper user to something.
[09:51] <mdke> it's still there just under a different name
[09:53] <mdke> LaserJock: can you tell me what's wrong with the commit I just made on debian/rules?
[09:53] <mdke> debian/rules:29: *** missing separator. Stop.
[09:54] <LaserJock> mdke: you probably need the tab the lines
[09:55] <mdke> all of em?
[09:55] <LaserJock> yep
[09:55] <mdke> or just the indented ones?
[09:55] <LaserJock> just move everything over 1 tab
[09:55] <mdke> thanks
[09:56] <LaserJock> are the indentations you have tabs or spaces?
[09:56] <mdke> I think I will implement that for all documents, we waste so much time typing everything into debian/rules
[09:56] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:56] <mdke> that should have been debian/install
[09:56] <mdke> still.
[09:56] <mdke> ah, doesn't work
[09:57] <mdke> ah, did wrong command
[09:58] <mdke> LaserJock: ok, that doesn't work because it says: cp: target `usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu/menus/' is not a directory: No such file or directory
[09:58] <mdke> do I need to make the directory too?
[09:59] <LaserJock> oh, hang on a sec
[10:00] <LaserJock> you probably want to copy it to debian/ubuntu-doc/usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu/menus/
[10:00] <mdke> I want it to go to usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu/menus on the filesystem
[10:00] <LaserJock> right
[10:00] <LaserJock> but it's installed relative to debian/ubuntu-doc/
[10:01] <mdke> hmm. I got those lines off dholbach, it's odd he would have overlooked that
[10:01] <mdke> I'll try anyhow
[10:01] <mdke> let's see what kubuntu does
[10:03] <mdke> debian/ubuntu-docs with an "s", right?
[10:03] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:04] <LaserJock> basically what happens is that when it goes to build the .deb it makes a tmp dir, debian/<packagename>/ and you install everything in there
[10:04] <mdke> ahh
[10:04] <LaserJock> then it compresses that dir all up to make the .deb
[10:05] <mdke> cp: target `debian/ubuntu-docs/usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu/menus/' is not a directory: No such file or directory
[10:06] <LaserJock> oh darn, I don't have the edgy branch checked out
[10:07] <mdke> you can use the server for super fast downloading, if it helps.
[10:07] <mdke> if you don't have time, don't worry though
[10:22] <LaserJock> mdke: did that work?
[10:22] <LaserJock> oh wait, you had a directory error
[10:23] <LaserJock> you should be able to just do a mkdir -p debian/ubuntu-docs/usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu/menus/ before your stuff
[10:25] <nixternal> mdke: i was just going to ask you how i should go about fixing the version stuff with kubuntu edgy release notes?  there are 2 changes, konversation 1.0.1 and KTorrent 2.0.3.  will this hamper the translations?  is it ok to make these changes?  Riddell requested them btw
 nixternal, you lousy b*tard 
[10:26] <nixternal> muhahaha ;)
[10:27] <Seveas> @channel plugins.lart.enabled True
[10:27] <Seveas> @lart nixternal 
[10:29] <nixternal> hehe
[10:30] <nixternal> Seveas: i was gonna point you out for starting that craze, but decided at the last minute i wouldn't do that ;)
[10:30] <nixternal> ^^ winky smile!!!
[10:30] <Seveas> nixternal, you should have :D
[10:31] <nixternal> actually, i like the b*tard retaliation
[10:31] <nixternal> ya i can spell
[10:37] <mdke> LaserJock: trying
[10:42] <sladen> yo gang, what happened to  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCustomization* ?
[10:42] <sladen> eg.  we have external links going to  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo
[10:43] <sladen> can there at least be a redirect if things have moved
[10:43] <nixternal> there should be sladen
[10:43] <nixternal> a redirect that is
[10:43] <sladen> we lose googlefoo and people get upset if they can't find stuff :(
[10:43] <Burgwork> Seveas: can we have the ubuntu bot in -marketing?
[10:44] <Seveas> Burgwork, which one and which functions?
[10:44] <sladen> nixternal: mmm, can I at this to the todo list :)
[10:44] <mdke> sladen: might be an erroneous link? The pages LiveCDCustomization and LiveCDCustomization/Dapper work
[10:44] <nixternal> the LiveCDCustomizationsHOwTo was never there
[10:44] <Burgwork> Seveas: ubotu
[10:44] <Burgwork> for the !seen stuff
[10:44] <nixternal> !seen johnlittle
[10:44] <Seveas> factoids/package lookup as well?
[10:44] <sladen> mdke: it was the first link I found via google for   ubuntu rebuild livecd
[10:44] <sladen> mdke: I suspect it existed at some point
[10:44] <Burgwork> don't need that
[10:44] <nixternal> arg
[10:44] <Seveas> ok
[10:44] <Seveas> then you should be set now
[10:45] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo?action=info
[10:45] <nixternal> that will let you know if it ever existed
[10:45] <mdke> sladen: I don't see that for some reason. What google is that?
[10:45] <sladen> Seveas: we have redirect, 
[10:45] <Seveas> sladen, ?
[10:45] <nixternal> http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+live+cd+customization+howto&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[10:45] <sladen> mdke: http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+rebuild+livecd  second page (http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/blog/index.cgi/01147559232)  link at the bottom
[10:46] <nixternal> that is interesting
[10:46] <nixternal> that page has never been on the wiki, according to the wiki
[10:46] <mdke> either the page changed name early on, or he got the link wrong
[10:46] <nixternal> the cached page is even bogus
[10:48] <mdke> we can insert a redirect, but I'm not wholly convinced it's worth adding another page to the wiki for such links. Especially since that document is now on the help wiki
[10:48] <sladen> it's not linked on the help wiki
[10:48] <mdke> and the correct page appears quite clearly on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo
[10:49] <sladen> (not yet, but redirects will help google find it)
[10:49] <sladen> ah, I didn't give it *time* to do the redirect
[10:50] <sladen> I clicked on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCustomization and saw an empty page, clicked 'back', angsted here :)
[10:50] <sladen> anyway, this is *wrong* <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0;URL=http://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization">
[10:50] <sladen> that is not the way to do redirects
[10:50] <mdke> you'll need to report a bug in MoinMoin about that.
[10:51] <sladen> redirects need to be done at the HTTP level with a 301 Permanently Moved header
[10:51] <mdke> it depends on our wiki software
[10:52] <nixternal> any words on the future of moinmoin on the servers anyways?  it seems there has been some talk about media wiki
[10:53] <mdke> haha
[10:53] <sladen> URM.  #refresh... not #redirect?
[10:53] <mdke> sladen: #redirect in MoinMoin is used for transferring to another page on the same wiki, not external pages
[10:54] <mdke> #refresh is used to refreshing to an external url
[10:54] <sladen> so, #redirect needs patching so that if it starts http://  ...
[10:54] <mdke> LaserJock: no, I'm not getting it :/
[10:55] <LaserJock> mdke: hmm, could be because it's cdbs. is it giving you the same error?
[10:56] <mdke> LaserJock: now it says "mkdir ... file exists"
[10:56] <mdke> I think I will give up and do it the old debian/install way for now, then we can sort it out for edgy+1
[10:56] <sladen> where can I grab the moinmoin source used for the wikis from?
[10:56] <mdke> sladen: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ is the homepage
[10:56] <nixternal> i believe it is somewhere in bzr
[10:57] <nixternal> or there for the .orig
[10:57] <sladen> mdke: yup, I can get fresh source, but presumely we're already running a hacked versoin
[10:57] <mdke> we are running a slightly out of date version
[10:57] <sladen> exactly
[10:57] <mdke> it has a patch for launchpad authentication, but nothing seriously different
[10:57] <nixternal> well, that was supposed to be fixed already
[10:58] <mdke> if you want to contribute though, it's best to work on the fresh moinmoin version, or at the very least 1.5, we'll be upgrading soon
[11:01] <mdke> if you make a patch for the development version, it should work fine with 1.5
[11:04] <mdke> LaserJock: ok, I've done it the debian/install way and it seems to work
[11:05] <LaserJock> k, I must be overlooking something