| ajmitch | Toadstool: usual procedure is to let one of the MOTU UVF team know | 12:17 |
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| Toadstool | ajmitch: and you're part of that team? :) | 12:19 |
| pygi | Toadstool: are you reading pm's ? :P | 12:19 |
| Toadstool | pygi: yup | 12:19 |
| pygi | oki, please respond then :) | 12:19 |
| ajmitch | Toadstool: sure | 12:20 |
| ajmitch | Toadstool: it helps if we know what's been uploaded when kamion asks for approval | 12:20 |
| Toadstool | yup, then there will be a gnomebaker upload in a few minutes | 12:21 |
| ajmitch | as I can tell :) | 12:21 |
| Toadstool | heh | 12:22 |
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| Toadstool | pygi: pdebuild-ing | 12:31 |
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| === imbrandon waves | ||
| bhale | hi imbrandon | 12:56 |
| imbrandon | ello bhale | 12:56 |
| imbrandon | nick change? | 12:56 |
| bhale | yes | 12:57 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 12:57 |
| imbrandon | you should let me have brandon ;) | 12:57 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 12:57 |
| bhale | someone has it | 12:57 |
| bhale | i believe | 12:57 |
| imbrandon | yea , i thought it was you | 12:57 |
| === imbrandon checks | ||
| bhale | [notice(NickServ:NickServ@services.)] Nickname: brandon | 12:57 |
| bhale | [notice(NickServ:NickServ@services.)] Registered: 1 year 6 weeks 5 days (3h 24m 46s) ago | 12:57 |
| bhale | [notice(NickServ:NickServ@services.)] Last Seen: 4 days (9h 19m 42s) ago (brandon|around seen 4 days (9h 19m 42s) ago) | 12:57 |
| bhale | [notice(NickServ:NickServ@services.)] Last Seen Address: n=brandon@72.158.105.2 | 12:57 |
| bhale | its not me | 12:58 |
| bhale | [notice(NickServ:NickServ@services.)] Nickname: Tseng | 12:58 |
| bhale | [notice(NickServ:NickServ@services.)] Registered: 3 years 37 weeks 4 days (22h 9m 26s) ago | 12:58 |
| bhale | he's too new :) | 12:58 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 12:58 |
| imbrandon | iirc he does linux stuff but not ubuntu | 12:58 |
| imbrandon | i talked to him long ago when i registerd on freenode | 12:58 |
| bhale | i know several brandon's | 12:59 |
| bhale | but not this one | 12:59 |
| imbrandon | bhale, you comming to mtv ? | 12:59 |
| bhale | no | 12:59 |
| imbrandon | ahh darn ;( | 12:59 |
| bhale | i'd rather have my appendix put back and removed again | 12:59 |
| bhale | sorry. | 12:59 |
| imbrandon | hahahaha | 12:59 |
| imbrandon | he registered just before me | 01:00 |
| imbrandon | [17:59] [Notice] -NickServ- Nickname: imbrandon << ONLINE >> | 01:00 |
| imbrandon | [17:59] [Notice] -NickServ- Registered: 1 year 12 weeks 5 days (20h 14m 55s) ago | 01:00 |
| bhale | the best part of that was waking up with no appendix, and finding out you are just as sick as when you started | 01:00 |
| imbrandon | well with this nick, i had another a few years back i let expire | 01:00 |
| bhale | (and sliced open twice) | 01:00 |
| imbrandon | lol | 01:00 |
| bhale | family guy preempted by baseball | 01:01 |
| imbrandon | i just got done watching the cheifs get slaughtered | 01:01 |
| bhale | baseball starts 9 months ago or something | 01:01 |
| bhale | it never ends | 01:02 |
| imbrandon | heh | 01:02 |
| imbrandon | there is a short off season | 01:02 |
| bhale | its called spring training | 01:02 |
| === imbrandon used to want to play pro baseball in highschool, and at that time i probably could have if i stuck to it | ||
| bhale | oh good, MythBusters is on | 01:03 |
| imbrandon | you know i ment mountain view cali not music television right brandon ? | 01:04 |
| imbrandon | lol | 01:04 |
| bhale | yes | 01:04 |
| bhale | Ubuntu Lockin 6 | 01:04 |
| imbrandon | kk just thought i would make sure with all the tv talk ;) | 01:04 |
| imbrandon | hahah Lockin , havent thought about that in a long time | 01:05 |
| bhale | thats what it is | 01:05 |
| imbrandon | basicly yea , heh | 01:05 |
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| imbrandon | wb LaserJock | 01:06 |
| bhale | yay LaserJock | 01:06 |
| imbrandon | hum , i need some extra contract work *thinks* | 01:06 |
| LaserJock | hi everybody | 01:08 |
| imbrandon | how go's it LaserJock | 01:09 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, I don't know | 01:10 |
| LaserJock | I'm kinda sick of reading "Why do you ignore feature/user group/package X ?" | 01:11 |
| imbrandon | heh, me too , but i kinda just give them a generic answer and go on | 01:12 |
| imbrandon | just do what i can | 01:12 |
| imbrandon | i hate it when it creeps up 2 weeks before release, i'm like youve had 4 months to mention this before | 01:13 |
| LaserJock | mhm | 01:13 |
| imbrandon | then they get all pissy | 01:13 |
| LaserJock | well, I don't want to tell people "We simply don't have time or resources" cause then it sounds like Ubuntu is in really bad shape | 01:14 |
| LaserJock | but that's usually exactly what happens | 01:14 |
| imbrandon | well it is true, we are limited | 01:14 |
| imbrandon | as bad as it sounds its not really "bad" | 01:14 |
| imbrandon | but thats hard to explain , i hear ya | 01:14 |
| imbrandon | my latest plight is trying to make libgpod work with the new ipods without introducing a new version | 01:15 |
| LaserJock | it's also a catch 22 | 01:15 |
| imbrandon | this late in the cycle | 01:15 |
| LaserJock | as you need people to test and report bugs | 01:15 |
| imbrandon | seems apple has pushed a new firmware | 01:15 |
| LaserJock | but then it becomes harder to fix bugs becuase we are trying to stabalize | 01:16 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, exactly | 01:16 |
| LaserJock | I don't know how people can stand more then 1 or 2 releases | 01:19 |
| Toadstool | pygi: great! the patch attached to the bug report is not complete :p | 01:19 |
| pygi | Toadstool: ehm?! | 01:20 |
| Toadstool | hey LaserJock & imbrandon | 01:20 |
| LaserJock | hi Toadstool | 01:28 |
| pygi | what happened!!? | 01:28 |
| Toadstool | pygi: device.h modification is missing in the patch attached to the bug | 01:28 |
| pygi | o joy, is the upstream (SF bug attachment) patch complete? | 01:28 |
| Toadstool | I don't know, I took the diff directly in the cvs | 01:28 |
| imbrandon | heya Toadstool | 01:28 |
| Toadstool | pygi: ok, with the missing chunk, it builds fine ;) | 01:28 |
| pygi | good :P | 01:28 |
| Toadstool | you sure you tested that patch thoroughly? :p | 01:28 |
| LaserJock | we're supposed to test things? ;-) | 01:28 |
| Toadstool | heh | 01:28 |
| Toadstool | pygi: uploaded | 01:30 |
| pygi | Toadstool: yes, the patch works 100% | 01:31 |
| slomo | imbrandon: for ipod stuff look at libipoddevice, the new version works with the new firmware but it's not really a trivial change | 01:32 |
| imbrandon | slomo, yea the new version of libgpod does too ( that amarok uses ) but this late in the cycle i hate for a main uvf ( and doubt it would go though anyhow ) | 01:33 |
| slomo | imbrandon: i don't think it will be approved too ;) i asked for a far more trivial upload earlier today and got a "no" as answer | 01:34 |
| imbrandon | i have a amarok package on imbrandon.com that has the stuff for mtp and mp4v2 enabled from multiverse for people that need it to make their devices work i might just put it there for now | 01:34 |
| imbrandon | and worry about a "better fix" for edgy+1 | 01:35 |
| imbrandon | and then backport it if someoen requests it | 01:35 |
| imbrandon | i hate to go that route but this late it seems to be the only good option | 01:36 |
| imbrandon | sides it will give me some good feedback for when it does get uploaded ;) | 01:36 |
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| shawarma | slomo: Do you think you could do a no-change upload of texlive-bin? See bug #65658 | 01:40 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65658 in texlive-bin "pdflatex: symbol lookup error: pdflatex: undefined symbol: _ZN4Dict3addERK10UGooStringP6Object" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65658 | 01:40 |
| shawarma | slomo: If a no-change upload can't get an exception I don't know what can. :-) | 01:40 |
| slomo | shawarma: thanks for noticing... i'll care for it :) ajmitch, what do you think? ;) | 01:41 |
| shawarma | slomo: I tend to notice when my university project report fails to compile. :-) | 01:42 |
| LaserJock | heh | 01:46 |
| LaserJock | I wondered | 01:46 |
| LaserJock | hmm, anybody know off hand how long Gnome has been around? | 01:52 |
| whiprush | 1997-ish | 01:53 |
| bhale | hi whiprush | 01:53 |
| bhale | LaserJock: shortly after KDE | 01:53 |
| LaserJock | huh, I thought it was later | 01:53 |
| bhale | i started using it in 98-99 | 01:54 |
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| LaserJock | I was probably using minux about that time ;-) | 01:54 |
| LaserJock | more likely Debian on ~11 floppy disks | 01:56 |
| bhale | i spent a week downloading redhat at 28.8 | 01:57 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I wasn't that excited | 01:58 |
| LaserJock | I just wanted a shell to play around with | 01:58 |
| LaserJock | it wasn't until I started grad school that I really started using Linux | 01:58 |
| LaserJock | :/ | 01:59 |
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| ajmitch | slomo: you're on the uvf team, you can decide :) | 02:00 |
| ajmitch | afternoon all | 02:00 |
| LaserJock | I never even tried slack | 02:01 |
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| shawarma | slack was my first distro as well. I was young and nave back then. | 02:02 |
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| shawarma | I found my first Linux CD's a couple of months ago. They were from '96, I think. | 02:02 |
| LaserJock | the first distro I used for more then 1 month was Gentto | 02:03 |
| shawarma | LaserJock: Oh, dear. When was this? | 02:03 |
| imbrandon | only becosue it took more than a month to compile the desktop | 02:03 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 02:03 |
| shawarma | heh :-) | 02:03 |
| LaserJock | haha | 02:04 |
| LaserJock | that was 2002 | 02:04 |
| shawarma | n00b! | 02:04 |
| LaserJock | I used Gentoo for about 2 years | 02:04 |
| shawarma | :-P | 02:04 |
| shawarma | :-) | 02:04 |
| LaserJock | I really liked it | 02:04 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, and still never got kde to boot ? | 02:04 |
| imbrandon | hehe \ | 02:05 |
| === imbrandon ducks | ||
| LaserJock | gentoo rocked dude | 02:05 |
| LaserJock | things "just worked" | 02:05 |
| imbrandon | yea i know, i use it on some servers here | 02:05 |
| imbrandon | but its a pita | 02:05 |
| LaserJock | and it had all the apps I wanted | 02:05 |
| LaserJock | but yeah, I was a KDE guy back then | 02:05 |
| shawarma | LaserJock: What are you doing here then? | 02:05 |
| LaserJock | and recompiling all of KDE all the time ... | 02:06 |
| imbrandon | not fun | 02:06 |
| LaserJock | shawarma: I had no need for a source distro | 02:06 |
| LaserJock | bad as it may seem, Ubuntu is like binary Gentoo for me ;-) | 02:06 |
| shawarma | LaserJock: Someone told me that you don't *have* to compile everything yourself under Gentoo. | 02:07 |
| imbrandon | shawarma, no you dopnt have to you can use grp packages if you want stuff thats months out of date | 02:07 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 02:07 |
| imbrandon | maybe more | 02:07 |
| imbrandon | the kde grp packages are still 3.4 last i looked | 02:08 |
| imbrandon | etc | 02:08 |
| LaserJock | I was never into Gentoo for the performance, I never could tell much of a difference | 02:08 |
| LaserJock | I just liked having all programs I use | 02:08 |
| LaserJock | and I liked the forum community ;-) | 02:09 |
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| imbrandon | food time, bbaib | 02:10 |
| pygi | sharms: slack rocks | 02:11 |
| shawarma | I've never been too much of a forum person. | 02:11 |
| pygi | sharms: I used it since '95 | 02:11 |
| shawarma | win 1 | 02:12 |
| shawarma | grrr.. | 02:12 |
| shawarma | Oh, dear. It's 2 AM again. I should go to bed. | 02:12 |
| shawarma | g'night, all! | 02:13 |
| imbrandon | gnight | 02:14 |
| LaserJock | cya shawarma | 02:14 |
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| LaserJock | pygi: any particular feature that makes slack rock? | 02:24 |
| pygi | LaserJock: it those days, ofcourse :) | 02:24 |
| LaserJock | I always avoided it because I didn't see any real package mangement | 02:26 |
| pygi | ah | 02:28 |
| Amaranth | there is no dependency management | 02:29 |
| Amaranth | i don't know if what they have qualifies as package management either | 02:30 |
| pygi | :P | 02:30 |
| pygi | slack packages actually allow dependencies | 02:31 |
| pygi | and you can take advantage of them using swaret or slapt-get | 02:31 |
| pygi | but nevermind, we're ubuntu here :) | 02:31 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 02:33 |
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| pygi | ok, sleep time | 02:35 |
| pygi | 2:36 AM | 02:35 |
| pygi | will sleep two hours again | 02:35 |
| LaserJock | yikes | 02:35 |
| pygi | night | 02:35 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: sorry, just remembered an earlier question. Try Thinking in C++, 2nd Ed., here: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/docs/books/eckel/ | 02:36 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: cool, thanks | 02:38 |
| LaserJock | I'm trying to dive into an established project | 02:39 |
| LaserJock | and trying to make head or tails of it | 02:39 |
| imbrandon | heya crimsun | 02:39 |
| crimsun | hi imbrandon | 02:39 |
| imbrandon | hrm anyone know the issue why faad2 in is multiverse and not universe, it dosent look to be a dependacy issue, so i'm guessing its with the program/lib its self | 02:42 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I thought it had non-free stuff | 02:42 |
| imbrandon | probably but i'm trying to see what exactly, becosue its has aac support and aac is iirc open source etc | 02:43 |
| imbrandon | thinking maybe i can do a dfsg version of it | 02:43 |
| imbrandon | *hopes* | 02:43 |
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| imbrandon | if its just a small part of it thats not dfsg etc | 02:43 |
| crimsun | imbrandon: it's patent-encumbered and we can't even legally distribute modified source. | 02:45 |
| slomo | imbrandon: patent reasons | 02:45 |
| imbrandon | faad2 or aac ? | 02:45 |
| slomo | aac | 02:45 |
| slomo | patented like all the mpeg stuff | 02:45 |
| imbrandon | hrm | 02:45 |
| imbrandon | iirc aac was open, i guess i was wrong /me *thinks* | 02:46 |
| slomo | it's "open" as in the specs are open, etc | 02:46 |
| slomo | but still the techniques (?) are patented | 02:46 |
| crimsun | gah, xmms is still in main? | 02:47 |
| ajmitch | I have no idea why | 02:47 |
| imbrandon | i would hope not heh | 02:47 |
| ajmitch | xmms | 1.2.10+cvs20060429-1ubuntu2 | http://apt-proxy edgy/main Packages | 02:47 |
| ajmitch | you'd think not, by now.. | 02:47 |
| slomo | probably the last thing in main that can decode mp3 ;) | 02:47 |
| crimsun | (and libmad) | 02:48 |
| slomo | oh mad is still there too... | 02:48 |
| imbrandon | hehe amarok can with 2 clicks now ;) /me is happy about that one | 02:48 |
| imbrandon | crap flac isnt free either ? man i need to study up some more | 02:49 |
| slomo | hmm, k3b, akode and libtunepimp are keeping it in main... so only because of kde stuff ;) | 02:49 |
| crimsun | flac is unencumbered last I checked | 02:49 |
| slomo | there were rumours that something in flac is patented but nobody could proove it | 02:49 |
| imbrandon | hum i wonder why its in extra-codecs then | 02:50 |
| imbrandon | i'm trying to do a little background work for this spec and get a clear ".plan" for the kde side for mtv | 02:50 |
| imbrandon | ( and just generaly becouse its needed ) | 02:50 |
| imbrandon | but codecs are a mess it seems , well mostly | 02:51 |
| slomo | imbrandon: in extracodecs i only have ffmpeg, faad and mad | 02:51 |
| crimsun | not sure where you're getting flac in extracodecs | 02:51 |
| crimsun | libxine1: /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.1.2/xineplug_flac.so | 02:51 |
| imbrandon | slomo, well xine engine ( specificly amarok-xine ) wont play a *.flac without libxine-extracodecs | 02:51 |
| imbrandon | hrm | 02:52 |
| slomo | interesting | 02:52 |
| slomo | any idea why? | 02:52 |
| imbrandon | no , thats what i'm trying to find out now | 02:52 |
| slomo | ok :) | 02:52 |
| imbrandon | seems it should | 02:52 |
| imbrandon | anyone else here wanna confirm what i just said ? | 02:53 |
| slomo | probably another case of xine not happy with the splitted situation... | 02:53 |
| imbrandon | e.g try to play a flac without libxine-extracodecs | 02:53 |
| imbrandon | to make sure i'm not a corner case somehow and it is truely a problem | 02:53 |
| imbrandon | before i dig way into it | 02:54 |
| slomo | one moment | 02:54 |
| slomo | ok, confirmed here... | 02:55 |
| imbrandon | kk good, well not good but makin sure | 02:55 |
| === slomo just hates xine a little bit more ;) | ||
| imbrandon | heh | 02:55 |
| imbrandon | why couldent i notice these things a few weeks ago before RC | 02:56 |
| === imbrandon mubles | ||
| slomo | maybe because it uses ffmpeg for decoding of flac | 02:57 |
| imbrandon | possibly | 03:04 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, what's do you get with an avahi-enabled gaim? | 03:22 |
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| Lathiat | LaserJock: ability to talk on the network with other people | 03:26 |
| Lathiat | e.g. they come up in your contact list etc | 03:26 |
| DarkMageZ | :o is edgy's gaim built with this? | 03:26 |
| LaserJock | on the local network? | 03:27 |
| LaserJock | how annoying ;-) | 03:27 |
| Lathiat | DarkMageZ: no | 03:28 |
| LaserJock | DarkMageZ: see the ubuntu-devel mailing list | 03:28 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: for edgy+1, telepathy should solve this issue | 03:29 |
| LaserJock | yeah, yeah, bunch of annoying stuff. I can imagine lots of people will love it though ;-) | 03:30 |
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| LaserJock | almost as bad as having to wade through everybodies printer to get to the one I want | 03:31 |
| Burgundavia | adhock networking is the future | 03:31 |
| LaserJock | I suppose, doesn't mean I have to like it :-) | 03:32 |
| LaserJock | we have maybe 100 computers on our network | 03:33 |
| LaserJock | I dislike having to wade around through everybodies service brodcasting | 03:34 |
| DarkMageZ | hmm, has to be enabled @ configure time? does it end up as a plugin? or an always enabled feature... | 03:35 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: if you are at work, you should have an admin to make a decision on it | 03:37 |
| Burgundavia | DarkMageZ: currently avahi is turned off by deafult | 03:38 |
| Burgundavia | it is likely to be on by default in edgy+! | 03:38 |
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| imbrandon | anyone ever used a curses based gnutella client? | 04:04 |
| imbrandon | i found a few on google but i mean experice if they are good/bad/ugly | 04:05 |
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| LaserJock | hi Fujitsu | 04:24 |
| Fujitsu | Hey LaserJock. | 04:24 |
| imbrandon | heya Fujitsu | 04:25 |
| LaserJock | we need to get that gcl/maxima fix in -updates or I'm going to go nuts with bug reports | 04:25 |
| Fujitsu | Hi imbrandon. | 04:25 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, true... But the proper procedure never got decided on... | 04:25 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 04:25 |
| === Fujitsu gets his scissors and aims them at the red tape. | ||
| LaserJock | do we need another MOTU meeting to finalize the Stable Release Updates procedure? | 04:26 |
| Fujitsu | Or do we just want to attempt to get gcl/maxima fixed for the moment as described on MOTU/Processes/SRU? That process is workable, though not exactly finalised.. | 04:29 |
| LaserJock | yeah, maybe we should use it as a test case | 04:31 |
| LaserJock | I think the 2 weeks in -proposed is a little odd | 04:31 |
| Fujitsu | That's more than most main stuff gets, isn't it? | 04:31 |
| LaserJock | yes | 04:33 |
| LaserJock | Main gets 1 week | 04:33 |
| LaserJock | sweet! I just found 3 Dapper CDs | 04:34 |
| LaserJock | I thought I left them in Mountain View | 04:34 |
| Fujitsu | When were you there? | 04:37 |
| LaserJock | in August | 04:37 |
| LaserJock | for Ubucon | 04:37 |
| Fujitsu | Ah. | 04:37 |
| LaserJock | kinda gave 2 presentations | 04:37 |
| === Fujitsu attacks the lack of SRU policy. | ||
| Fujitsu | It really makes things rather difficult :S | 04:38 |
| LaserJock | yeah, maybe just start the process | 04:38 |
| Toadstool | hey Fujitsu | 04:38 |
| Fujitsu | Hi Toadstool. | 04:38 |
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| Fujitsu | First up, gcl needs that patch. | 04:39 |
| Fujitsu | Now, can I remember where it is... | 04:39 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 04:41 |
| LaserJock | I guess the first question is if it is a "high profile" update | 04:41 |
| Fujitsu | Yes. It certainly is. | 04:42 |
| LaserJock | think so? | 04:43 |
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| LaserJock | personally I wouldn't think it would be | 04:43 |
| Kyral | IBM Pollyanna Principle: | 04:43 |
| Kyral | Machines should work. People should think. | 04:43 |
| imbrandon | considering i dont even know what it is i wouldnet be | 04:43 |
| LaserJock | I guess that's why we need a policy | 04:43 |
| LaserJock | and that's why the whole "high profile" thing is going to be troublesome | 04:44 |
| LaserJock | it's high profile in the sense that it's a pretty severe bug | 04:45 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, why wouldn't it be? We have a lot of people complaining, and it completely breaks that package. In main/restricted, severe regressions come under that category. | 04:45 |
| Fujitsu | This is a regression. | 04:45 |
| LaserJock | because "high profile" mean high up on the popcon stats to me | 04:45 |
| Toadstool | as long as the package is unusable, I'd say that it is a valid candidate for a SRU | 04:46 |
| LaserJock | hmm, ok well maybe I'm just thinking of this wrong | 04:46 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, high profile bug, not package. As in, it's not some obscure bug that somebody might run into once every 1,000,000 tries. | 04:46 |
| LaserJock | I was reading "high profile" as package | 04:47 |
| LaserJock | i.e. breaking Xorg is a big no no | 04:47 |
| Fujitsu | `Just high-profile bug fixes' | 04:47 |
| LaserJock | I still don't see it as a high-profile bug fix in the larger scheme of things | 04:47 |
| Fujitsu | Not in the scheme of things, no. | 04:48 |
| LaserJock | but then this is the problem with this SRU procedure | 04:48 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah, you can't have a proper, objective, quantitative assessment of the high-profileness of a bug fix. | 04:48 |
| LaserJock | ok, but I guess maybe this is what I'm getting hung up on | 04:49 |
| LaserJock | what happens to non-"high profile" bug fixes? | 04:49 |
| Fujitsu | They get their bugs spammed eternally, like #43150? | 04:50 |
| Toadstool | bug 43150 | 04:50 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 43150 in gcl "wxmaxima fails with error, can't connect to maxima" [Undecided,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/43150 | 04:50 |
| Toadstool | haha | 04:50 |
| LaserJock | I was thinking it would imply we could just upload the update | 04:50 |
| LaserJock | I guess that is an important point | 04:51 |
| Fujitsu | Oh, you think like that. | 04:51 |
| Fujitsu | I took it to mean that little tiny bugs won't be fixed at all, only big ones will. | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | to me SRU was going to be used to make sure we don't break something important | 04:52 |
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| Fujitsu | But you've taken it to mean that little ones are exempt from the procedure? | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | yes | 04:52 |
| Fujitsu | We need the almight dholbach :( | 04:53 |
| Fujitsu | *almighty | 04:53 |
| LaserJock | I figured it was trivial to decide if it goes in -updates or not, the question was "how" it got to -updates and how much testing needed to be done | 04:53 |
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| LaserJock | if it is how you are thinking then it is indeed a "high profile" bug of course :-) | 04:54 |
| Fujitsu | Yes, we were thinking of it in completely different meanings... | 04:54 |
| Fujitsu | By your definition, it's not a high profile bug. | 04:54 |
| Fujitsu | It cannot break anything further than it is now. | 04:54 |
| Fujitsu | It's already ultimately broken, so it can't get any worse. | 04:54 |
| LaserJock | but actually your reading makes more sense, as it is called StableReleaseUpdates and not HighRiskStableReleaseUpdates ;-) | 04:56 |
| Toadstool | what about: package not usable/uninstallable -> eligible for a SRU -> need debdiff, diffstat, buildlog, approval by motu-sru team -> fix uploaded to -proposed -> we ask people to test it thoroughly -> if no more complaints about the bug -> -updates ? | 04:56 |
| LaserJock | that's still a lot of "stuff" to go through | 04:57 |
| Toadstool | well, it's a stable release ;) | 04:57 |
| LaserJock | since right now it's just motu checks patch/fix -> motu uploads | 04:57 |
| Fujitsu | This fix is minor, and has no potential to break things. Toadstool's sequence there really is overkill. | 04:59 |
| Fujitsu | main stuff doesn't go through many things like that. | 05:00 |
| Fujitsu | Just debdiff, sometimes straight to -updates, sometimes to -proposed then tested. | 05:00 |
| Toadstool | and then X.org breaks :p | 05:00 |
| Fujitsu | Er, yeah. | 05:00 |
| === Toadstool ducks | ||
| LaserJock | but we have no real X.org, it's Universe | 05:00 |
| Toadstool | yeah, true | 05:01 |
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| Fujitsu | And universe != main. | 05:01 |
| LaserJock | I want to keep -updates quality high | 05:01 |
| Fujitsu | As do I. | 05:01 |
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| LaserJock | I had to fix a -updates already | 05:01 |
| LaserJock | I'd rather avoid that | 05:01 |
| Fujitsu | It's very high at the moment, 'cause there's only one or two things in there :P | 05:01 |
| LaserJock | 2 weeks is too long I think | 05:03 |
| LaserJock | I'd rather go for an "ack" system | 05:03 |
| Fujitsu | Much like UVF at the moment? | 05:04 |
| LaserJock | yes | 05:04 |
| LaserJock | but maybe a much larger group (perhaps all of MOTU) that can ack | 05:04 |
| LaserJock | I realize that -updates isn't use a ton, but I hate putting more work on the same people | 05:05 |
| minghua | Speaking of stable updates, do any of you think dapper should have different policy than other stable releases? | 05:07 |
| LaserJock | probably not | 05:07 |
| minghua | I won't bother with stable updates for edgy once edgy+1 is released | 05:07 |
| minghua | but I still want to push some stable updates for dapper after edgy release | 05:08 |
| LaserJock | I can see how in theory there would be a difference, but in practice I don't think there will be | 05:08 |
| LaserJock | if a bug need fixing it would be nice to fix it in any release we find it | 05:08 |
| Fujitsu | Dapper is different, LaserJock. | 05:09 |
| Fujitsu | Dapper will be shipped through ShipIt for quite some time. | 05:09 |
| LaserJock | I don't see how it would be fore Universe | 05:09 |
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| LaserJock | sure | 05:09 |
| LaserJock | but I think Edgy should get updates as well | 05:10 |
| LaserJock | especially as Edgy seems to be more "stable" for many people | 05:10 |
| minghua | I always feel the biggest burden of stable release updates is on the release team | 05:10 |
| minghua | preparing a update is relatively easy, but making sure it doesn't break anything else is hard | 05:11 |
| minghua | but I can see LaserJock's point | 05:11 |
| LaserJock | right, except the release team wants us to handle most of the work for Universe | 05:11 |
| minghua | If there is user interest and developer willing to work on the update, I suppose why not | 05:12 |
| minghua | the developer is responsible to fix stuff if he breaks stuff | 05:12 |
| LaserJock | Universe is Universe, we do what we can | 05:12 |
| minghua | really REALLY conservative users can always use only -security, not -updates | 05:12 |
| LaserJock | what SRU should do is provide guidance and a process wherby we can have as high of quality updates as we can | 05:13 |
| minghua | acutually that's probably what I am going to do if I run a stable release | 05:13 |
| LaserJock | the problem is the testing, I think | 05:14 |
| LaserJock | how to get an update to a decent amount of people to test before it goes to -update | 05:14 |
| LaserJock | I fixed an -update upload that didn't install because a dep was missed | 05:15 |
| LaserJock | mearly installing the .deb before you upload would help :-) | 05:15 |
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| Fujitsu | I've tested this upload on a few machines, but still... | 05:16 |
| LaserJock | I mean, you honestly could just upload the bugger I guess | 05:17 |
| LaserJock | I'm disliking this limbo | 05:18 |
| Fujitsu | Yes, it's been a couple of weeks... | 05:19 |
| LaserJock | but running by dholbach or motu-uvf wouldn't hurt | 05:19 |
| Fujitsu | I'll certainly run it by dholbach. | 05:19 |
| LaserJock | it would be good to get a list of dapper apps that are completely broken (won't install or segfault on startup, etc.) | 05:21 |
| LaserJock | I have no idea how one would do that though | 05:21 |
| === minghua has one that doesn't segfault on startup but doesn't work at all anyway | ||
| Fujitsu | I could probably whip something up to check for things that don't install... | 05:22 |
| LaserJock | don't install would be a good start | 05:22 |
| LaserJock | I could do some searching through Malone | 05:23 |
| LaserJock | but I'm not sure if that would be productive | 05:23 |
| LaserJock | this a downside of team maintainace on this scale | 05:23 |
| Fujitsu | Search in Malone? You can't use those two in one sentence, I don't think | 05:23 |
| LaserJock | heh | 05:24 |
| minghua | searching though Malone is never productive for whatever reason IMHO :-P | 05:24 |
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| LaserJock | the problem is | 05:25 |
| Fujitsu | You're not routing my IPs to here, you evil evil things. | 05:25 |
| Fujitsu | Is...? | 05:25 |
| LaserJock | we don't know most of our packages well enough to just know | 05:25 |
| LaserJock | and we have to wait until bugs reports come in | 05:26 |
| Fujitsu | This is where we have problems, yes. | 05:26 |
| LaserJock | which much of the time means waiting until after the release | 05:26 |
| Fujitsu | That's where Debian's maintainership is a good idea. | 05:26 |
| minghua | the other side of the same problem is we simply don't have enough users of the development branch, compared to debian | 05:26 |
| LaserJock | right | 05:27 |
| LaserJock | so we need to do more general testing before a release | 05:27 |
| minghua | I can easily find people to test stuff on debian testing or unstable for my input method packages | 05:27 |
| minghua | for ubuntu, very very hard | 05:27 |
| Toadstool | we could try to piuparts all Dapper's universe for a start... | 05:27 |
| LaserJock | maybe if we did a piuparts | 05:27 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 05:27 |
| Toadstool | :) | 05:27 |
| minghua | yeah, I like piuparts too | 05:28 |
| LaserJock | maybe we could do a piuparts audit of Universe for Dapper and Edgy | 05:28 |
| Toadstool | yup | 05:28 |
| LaserJock | I wonder how long that would take | 05:28 |
| Fujitsu | Quite a long time. | 05:29 |
| LaserJock | it would be nice if we could break Universe into logical chunks for these kinds of task | 05:29 |
| LaserJock | s | 05:29 |
| LaserJock | I suppose alphabetically would work | 05:29 |
| Fujitsu | Although, for that sort of thing, a few chroots running simultaneously doing that on one machine would work fine. Throw in several machines, and it should be fairly quickly. | 05:30 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, yes, that's really the only way. | 05:30 |
| minghua | it needs a big local archive, and a lot of cpu powers | 05:30 |
| minghua | not an easy thing to set up | 05:30 |
| Fujitsu | minghua, installing a package doesn't need much CPU powe. | 05:30 |
| Fujitsu | *power | 05:30 |
| Fujitsu | Especially if not much is installed. | 05:30 |
| Fujitsu | Most packages require very little post-processing, remember. | 05:31 |
| minghua | well, the way I understand piuparts, it installs and removes every package in a clean chroot | 05:31 |
| minghua | which probably means that you install and remove X for every GNOME and KDE package | 05:31 |
| LaserJock | yeah, it'd almost be like running pbuilder on Universe ;-) | 05:31 |
| minghua | and that's a lot of CPU power to me | 05:31 |
| Fujitsu | minghua, a good point, yes. | 05:32 |
| LaserJock | but if you could just set it going and after a few days come back ... | 05:32 |
| LaserJock | ok, let me add this to my MotuManagment page | 05:34 |
| Fujitsu | Where is that located? | 05:34 |
| LaserJock | perhaps a general motu-qa team that are willing to help with these sorts of things | 05:34 |
| LaserJock | wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/MotuManagment | 05:34 |
| LaserJock | heh, of course if I could spell :/ | 05:35 |
| LaserJock | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/MotuManagement | 05:35 |
| Fujitsu | Heh. | 05:36 |
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| LaserJock | hehe | 05:38 |
| LaserJock | I might ask him at Mountain View | 05:38 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, yea me too and i was going to maybe spec something too , kinda make it offical so we can auth against LP for the MOTU team etc | 05:39 |
| imbrandon | infact i was just writing some notes in kwrite about it earlier | 05:39 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I'm not sure what all to do | 05:40 |
| LaserJock | from Canonical's prespective we are "untrusted" | 05:40 |
| LaserJock | so they don't want to give us access to the inside machines | 05:40 |
| LaserJock | that's one of the reasons we didn't get our own archive admin teams | 05:40 |
| imbrandon | right , but remote auth should be possible, kinda like how we do some of the webpages | 05:41 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 05:41 |
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| LaserJock | at least having a few build/test machines would be nice | 05:41 |
| imbrandon | like i ahve access to some of the webpages and db's like art.u.c and such but its not LP based and those machines areint in the "real" dc | 05:42 |
| imbrandon | they are but they are on a diff subnet dmz etc | 05:42 |
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| imbrandon | i'm thinking we could probably set something like that up | 05:42 |
| imbrandon | where its "sponsored" by cacnonical but not dirrect access to the dc computers | 05:42 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 05:43 |
| imbrandon | err that came out wrong but you see my idea | 05:43 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: are you coming to Mountain View? | 05:43 |
| imbrandon | whereas some websites are only avail to like newzum becouse they are on the dc computers | 05:43 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, yea | 05:43 |
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| LaserJock | we need a list of MOTUs who will be in attendence | 05:44 |
| LaserJock | I didn't think Paris had too much MOTU attendence | 05:44 |
| imbrandon | isnt there an "attendies" page > | 05:44 |
| Hobbsee | true that | 05:44 |
| LaserJock | probably | 05:44 |
| imbrandon | one sec | 05:45 |
| Fujitsu | I'm not going, only 54 more to check. | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | it'd be nice to have some MOTU discussion | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | we had EasierMOTUing in paris which was fun | 05:45 |
| imbrandon | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Attendees | 05:46 |
| LaserJock | but I think we might need some MOTU process discussions | 05:46 |
| imbrandon | ^^ i'm listed ;) | 05:46 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: 54 more what? | 05:46 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, there are 55 MOTUs, and I'm not going, so you need to check if the other 54 are going to UDS :P | 05:46 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: 53. MOTU's to check | 05:46 |
| === Fujitsu strangles Hobbsee. | ||
| Fujitsu | There shouldn't have been an apostrophe there! | 05:47 |
| === Hobbsee dies bloodily all over Fujitsu | ||
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: i dont go to school anymore. my grammar is allowed to be slightly dodgy now | 05:47 |
| LaserJock | well, about 50 actually | 05:47 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, true... | 05:47 |
| Fujitsu | And quite a number of members of ubuntu-dev I haven't ever seen. | 05:48 |
| === imbrandon isnt a MOTU heheh so 49 | ||
| LaserJock | yes | 05:48 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: yes you are darn it | 05:48 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, yes i am in heart | 05:48 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, you're a super-MOTU. | 05:48 |
| LaserJock | yep | 05:48 |
| imbrandon | heh | 05:48 |
| LaserJock | we have levels of MOTUs | 05:49 |
| LaserJock | super-MOTUs | 05:49 |
| LaserJock | uber-MOTUs | 05:49 |
| LaserJock | diety-MOTUs | 05:49 |
| imbrandon | motu-aholic's ? | 05:49 |
| Fujitsu | And me, the poor little peasant-MOTU :P | 05:49 |
| LaserJock | heh, well the get to sit in the corner | 05:49 |
| LaserJock | hmm, peasant-MOTU | 05:49 |
| LaserJock | that puts Monty Python on the brain ;-) | 05:50 |
| Fujitsu | Heheh. | 05:50 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon's just better than all of us. | 05:50 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, yea but once i get the init spec for the "farm" done up , i'll poke you with the url ( ~24 hours ) and you can add/modify it | 05:50 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, nooooooooooooooooo | 05:50 |
| Fujitsu | \o/ imbrandon. | 05:50 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: hmmm? | 05:51 |
| imbrandon | but i think the "farm" is great idea, alot of intrest has been shown, it just hasent ben acted on alot , well i started it kinda but i have limited resources | 05:51 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 05:51 |
| minghua | does peasant-MOTU has any connection with build farm? :-) | 05:51 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: start utilising the money tree. | 05:51 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, heh | 05:51 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: but you *will* have to make sure everyone is using debsign -r | 05:52 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, Mark, you mean? :P | 05:52 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: whichever | 05:52 |
| Fujitsu | And, yeah. Anything else is just silly. | 05:52 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, yes thats in the spec | 05:52 |
| Hobbsee | oh good ;P | 05:52 |
| Fujitsu | What do people here think of Seveas' software channel spec? | 05:53 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, i'm not in favor of everyone and their brother putting .gnupg keys on a build farm, its ment for builds and testing , not making redistributable debs , so really there is no reason to sign it as the source can be uploaded from a local machine once its "fixed" | 05:53 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, i havent had a chance to read it | 05:53 |
| LaserJock | debsign -r? | 05:54 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, but yea if it IS to be signed debsign is definately the way to go | 05:54 |
| === LaserJock goes for the man page | ||
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, signs .changes over SSH. | 05:54 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, a way of signing a deb on a remote machine without putting your secret key remotely | 05:54 |
| LaserJock | oh nifty | 05:55 |
| imbrandon | like the way Fujitsu and Hobbsee sign stuff on my build machine without putting a gnupg key on there | 05:55 |
| imbrandon | more secure | 05:55 |
| imbrandon | but anyhow yea thats part of the "security" section of the spec | 05:55 |
| Hobbsee | Hi Sarah | 05:56 |
| Hobbsee | Writing this on Ubuntu/Firefox system at the airport - they have free internet kiosks here. But the one around the corner is spattered with all the crashy-type messages you get :( | 05:56 |
| Hobbsee | *NICE* | 05:56 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: well...true that. although some people's upload speeds are very slow | 05:56 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: indeed | 05:57 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: havent seen it either. i should, though | 05:57 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, true, it will all get worked out via the spec and bof's in mtv i'm sure | 05:57 |
| Hobbsee | nice | 05:57 |
| Hobbsee | just tell us all non-attending MOTUs waht you decide :P | 05:57 |
| LaserJock | hmm, the SoftwareChannels spec is interesting | 05:57 |
| imbrandon | and to be honest if i can get some contract work to help me pay for it even if canonical dosent sponsor it I will | 05:57 |
| === imbrandon needs a bit of contract work soon heh | ||
| imbrandon | anyone got any ? heheh | 05:58 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, it'll be interesting to see what comes of it, as it is a very big change. | 05:58 |
| LaserJock | well, it could be fairly trivial I think | 05:58 |
| LaserJock | for a basic implementation of some of the features | 05:58 |
| Fujitsu | Trivial yes, but also a big change. | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | having .deb packages install sources.list files to /etc/apt/sources.d/ | 05:59 |
| imbrandon | has anyone checked if the hotel we are at in mtv has wifi / broadband ? | 05:59 |
| Fujitsu | A very very good idea, but it diverges from Debian in a potentially nasty way. | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | all of Mountain View has wifi | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | Google did it | 05:59 |
| imbrandon | nice | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | although we aren't techincally staying in Moutain View I don't think :/ | 06:00 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 06:00 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, yea i'm wondering how we're gonna fit all this into a weeks time | 06:02 |
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| imbrandon | seems alot more this time than paris | 06:02 |
| LaserJock | we aren't :-) | 06:02 |
| LaserJock | we didn't get to quite a few of the specs in Paris | 06:02 |
| imbrandon | i noticed alot of "outsiders" are comming this time too from intel and google | 06:02 |
| LaserJock | yes | 06:02 |
| LaserJock | I think Mark wanted to call in the experts :-) | 06:03 |
| imbrandon | one thing i dident like to see but it will work out i think is some people are only there for the forums | 06:03 |
| imbrandon | i thought it was more a technical week but ..... | 06:03 |
| imbrandon | well i'll shush now | 06:03 |
| LaserJock | well it is | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | we had it in Paris too | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | it's an attempt to keep the forums from imploding, IMO | 06:04 |
| imbrandon | lol | 06:04 |
| jldugger | maybe it should implode ;) | 06:04 |
| imbrandon | i have been chastizing people on LP and the mail list for linking to the foruim about a topic and not giving a summary, if i wanted to read the forums i would | 06:05 |
| LaserJock | well, they almost died around that time | 06:05 |
| imbrandon | gah, nvm i'm gonna get OT here | 06:05 |
| imbrandon | heya jldugger | 06:05 |
| jldugger | hey | 06:05 |
| LaserJock | well, I was in on some of the BOFs with the forum guy | 06:06 |
| LaserJock | there was one especially interesting one where we discussed LP's support tracker | 06:06 |
| imbrandon | jldugger, dude someone thats gonna be at ITEC needs to come pick those ubuntu cd's from my house, i keep mailing the list and telling them in the irc room but no one listens | 06:06 |
| jldugger | on the other hand, you don't want a gentoo-wiki type situation | 06:06 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: yeah, but hopefully that whole thing will get better | 06:06 |
| jldugger | imbrandon, im two hours away from KC | 06:06 |
| imbrandon | jldugger, crap thats right | 06:06 |
| jldugger | imbrandon, my participation in #kclug is like auxiliery member ;) | 06:07 |
| imbrandon | they are gonna wait till the last minute and expect me to be there with the cd's and i have told them for WEEKS to come get them | 06:07 |
| imbrandon | that i couldent make ITEC | 06:07 |
| jldugger | put it on the ML | 06:07 |
| imbrandon | so i have 500 ubuntu/kubuntu cd's sitting here | 06:07 |
| jldugger | make up an excuse to get someone to pick em up early ;) | 06:07 |
| jldugger | jesus | 06:08 |
| imbrandon | jldugger, i did about 6 times litterly | 06:08 |
| imbrandon | no one responded | 06:08 |
| jldugger | personally, i think its wierd for kclug to attend a trade show as a vendor | 06:08 |
| imbrandon | me too, but i said i would get the cd's and did | 06:09 |
| imbrandon | but now its like ummm common guys get it togather | 06:09 |
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| jldugger | imbrandon, you put something in motion last night reguarding wacom-tools -- was there anything i needed to look at today? | 06:10 |
| imbrandon | jldugger, ahh right, i totaly forgot, give me a sec | 06:10 |
| jldugger | reguarding the forums stuff, gentoo has a somewhat similar situation -- gentoo-wiki.org is owned and operated outside the gentoo project, and apparently its the cause of a lot of users fowling their systems up | 06:12 |
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| imbrandon | jldugger, well the forums are run by us , its just honestly fragmented community | 06:14 |
| imbrandon | there are those that use LP/IRC/MailingList and those that use the Forums, with only a few crossovers | 06:14 |
| jldugger | i dont really use the mailing list | 06:14 |
| jldugger | but i can see why the forums are popular with a certain subset. | 06:16 |
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| LaserJock | imbrandon: I don't know if I'd exactly say the forums are run by us | 06:40 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 06:40 |
| imbrandon | well run by the "official" community | 06:42 |
| imbrandon | i guess | 06:43 |
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| LaserJock | I wouldn't even say that | 06:43 |
| LaserJock | it's hosted on canonical machines, that's pretty close to the extent of it | 06:43 |
| LaserJock | it's getting a little better though I think | 06:43 |
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| zakame | hi all | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | hi zakame | 06:45 |
| micahcowan | What's up with REVU being down? | 06:45 |
| crimsun | dist-upgrade to Dapper. | 06:45 |
| zakame | yo LaserJock | 06:45 |
| imbrandon | heya zakame | 06:46 |
| zakame | dist-upgrade | 06:46 |
| zakame | yo imbrandon | 06:47 |
| micahcowan | REVU (and all of tauware.de) seems to be unreachable for at least the past 24 hours... | 06:48 |
| micahcowan | Hm, except the wiki. | 06:48 |
| zakame | well tiber did need that update ;) right? | 06:49 |
| imbrandon | and since its a server it probably wont need it for anopther 5 years ;) | 06:50 |
| Toadstool | ok, started a piupart on the whole universe | 06:50 |
| minghua | I like some moves the forum recently did | 06:50 |
| zakame | Toadstool: setting it on fire? :) | 06:51 |
| Toadstool | hope I did not make any mistake 'cause it is going to take ages :) | 06:51 |
| zakame | minghua: ooh, what move? | 06:51 |
| minghua | but still don't like the forum enough to go there often, I suppose | 06:51 |
| minghua | zakame: like move the edgy sub-forum to support category, and completely nuke the development category | 06:52 |
| zakame | ah | 06:52 |
| jldugger | the only time people go the forums is when they have a problem ;) | 06:52 |
| micahcowan | Is anyone able to reach tiber? I'm hoping it might just be the route from my network... ge2-edge.mia.infolink.com reports no-route-to-host... | 06:52 |
| zakame | micahcowan: don't bother, it is indeed down | 06:53 |
| imbrandon | micahcowan, NO we said its is down right now | 06:53 |
| Toadstool | micahcowan: tiber did not survive the reboot after a kernel update | 06:53 |
| micahcowan | imbrandon, ah, I guess I didn't understand that from what was said, then. | 06:53 |
| Toadstool | hmm looks like my piupart thing is working... great! :) | 06:54 |
| micahcowan | If it's likely to be down for a bit, adjusting the topic might be helpful (first place I checked) | 06:54 |
| minghua | micahcowan has a point, if not that our topic is 3 or 4 characters from overflow... | 06:55 |
| minghua | s/if/if only/ ? | 06:55 |
| minghua | damn grammar | 06:55 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:imbrandon] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Universe Repository Maintainers | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule | REVU is DOWN for the moment, please check back later. | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | Add yourself to http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy to upload to REVU | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/UVF | Please work on this list! http://tinyurl.com/n8g6a | Edgy frozen: ALL Uploads need | ||
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:imbrandon] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Universe Repository Maintainers | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule | REVU is DOWN for the moment, please check back | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | Add yourself to http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy to upload to REVU | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/UVF | Please work on this list! http://tinyurl.com/n8g6a | Edgy frozen: ALL Uploads need approval | ||
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| minghua | Hmm, dapper's pbuilder doesn't recognize edgy as a distribution name, bugger. | 08:12 |
| imbrandon | no you have yo install the edgy debootstarp for it to work | 08:13 |
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| imbrandon | on dapper | 08:13 |
| === imbrandon beds | ||
| imbrandon | elkbuntu, ps about the blog and surveys thing , i could have told you that hehe i get well over 2000 hits a day from planet.u.c ;) | 08:14 |
| imbrandon | ayhow gnight folks | 08:14 |
| elkbuntu | imbrandon, im not used to being seen ;) | 08:14 |
| minghua | imbrandon: I'll try dist-upgrade from a dapper chroot | 08:14 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 08:15 |
| minghua | good... no text editor whatsoever in a buildd chroot | 08:19 |
| imbrandon | vi | 08:22 |
| imbrandon | wow i guess s/2000/10000 http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss_stats1.png | 08:24 |
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| zakame | hehe | 08:28 |
| minghua | imbrandon: no vi, no nano, not even ed | 08:29 |
| minghua | okay, sed to the rescue, dist-upgrade seems to be working well | 08:31 |
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| imbrandon | minghua, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26972/ | 08:34 |
| imbrandon | vi is bootstraped in default | 08:35 |
| minghua | imbrandon: thanks, but as I've said, mine is dapper chroot, and I used --variant=buildd for bootstrap | 08:35 |
| minghua | I suspect yours is a general bootstrapped chroot | 08:36 |
| imbrandon | nope pbuilders use the buildd variant and here is a dapper one | 08:37 |
| imbrandon | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26973/ | 08:37 |
| imbrandon | same thing diffrent version | 08:37 |
| imbrandon | anyhow , off to sleep | 08:38 |
| === Fujitsu slays imbrandon. | ||
| Fujitsu | You use that theme!? | 08:39 |
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| minghua | good night imbrandon | 08:40 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, i /made/ that theme ;) | 08:41 |
| imbrandon | lol | 08:41 |
| Fujitsu | Yuck. | 08:41 |
| imbrandon | just becosue i dont like their os dosent mean i dont like the way it looks or some things about it:0 but i've been over this 1000 times, and i'm tired ;) | 08:42 |
| imbrandon | thats the beuity of linux , choice heh | 08:42 |
| imbrandon | gah | 08:42 |
| imbrandon | see missspelling worse than normal | 08:43 |
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| minghua | the upload is still to ftp://upload.ubuntu.com, right? | 09:12 |
| Q-FUNK | morning! | 09:13 |
| imbrandon | minghua, yes | 09:13 |
| minghua | imbrandon: thanks! (and you should go to bed :-) | 09:13 |
| imbrandon | lol i know | 09:13 |
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| imbrandon | getting revu-tools configured on my public"ish" build box | 09:14 |
| imbrandon | minghua, well we are in a freeze did you gat an OK ? | 09:14 |
| minghua | imbrandon: unmet dep fix | 09:14 |
| imbrandon | minghua, read the last sentance in the topic ;) | 09:14 |
| minghua | imbrandon: ajmitch gave a pre-approval | 09:14 |
| imbrandon | k | 09:15 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 09:15 |
| imbrandon | just makin sure | 09:15 |
| minghua | and ajmitch said upload _then_ ping anyway ;-) | 09:15 |
| imbrandon | wow that seems odd but ok | 09:16 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 09:16 |
| minghua | damn, forgot to use --distribution edgy | 09:18 |
| === minghua rebuilds | ||
| minghua | ajmitch: scim-uim 0.1.4-1build1 uploaded, fixing bug #65478, please approve, thanks | 09:23 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65478 in scim-uim "[UNMETDEPS] scim-uim has unmet dependencies" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65478 | 09:23 |
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| Fujitsu | Any DDs around? | 09:56 |
| lucas | depends on your question | 09:57 |
| Fujitsu | I've got a new soundconverter package. | 09:57 |
| Fujitsu | So I ideally need somebody to upload it. | 09:58 |
| siretart | Fujitsu: try in #debian-mentors ;) | 10:00 |
| Fujitsu | Pfft, that'd make sense. | 10:00 |
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| siretart | reboot request for tiber sent. waiting for reply... | 11:16 |
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| Tonio_ | hi | 11:36 |
| shawarma | revu is back! Wheeee... | 11:44 |
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| herzi | good morning dudes | 12:29 |
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| shawarma | Have any of you guys ever been in Mountain View? | 12:48 |
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| mnepton | shawarma: years ago, yes | 01:01 |
| siretart | okay. tiber is online again, but with 2.6.12 kernel, most probably because of bug #48184 | 01:04 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 48184 in linux-source-2.6.15 "[regression] Fails to detect ethernet card (VT6105 via-rhine)" [Medium,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/48184 | 01:04 |
| shawarma | mnepton: Is it like an actual city where people live or is it like an industrial area of sorts? | 01:06 |
| shawarma | mnepton: I'm considering going despite not getting sponsored and I'm curious how much of a hassle it's going to be to get something to eat.. | 01:07 |
| shawarma | mnepton: Hmm... although there's probably going to be a *lot* of pizza places in that kind of area.. | 01:08 |
| shawarma | I just still remember that ridiculous small village near Paris where the last summit was held... Now *that* was a hassle. | 01:09 |
| Fujitsu | siretart, is it a commercially hosted machine? | 01:09 |
| siretart | Fujitsu: yes | 01:10 |
| Fujitsu | ServerPronto? | 01:10 |
| siretart | yes | 01:11 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah, that caused some big issues when a Dapper upgrade was performed on Mekong (the server behind about 5 LoCo teams). | 01:11 |
| siretart | Fujitsu: how did you solve the issue? | 01:12 |
| Fujitsu | siretart, still running .12. | 01:12 |
| siretart | fabolous :/ | 01:13 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah.\ | 01:13 |
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| Fujitsu | Downtime of 3 or 4 days because communication between ServerPronto and the official contact person was terrible. | 01:14 |
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| siretart | Fujitsu: then we are lucky, tiber was 'only' 2 days offline :) | 01:15 |
| Fujitsu | 4 days without my primary email address was... unpleasant :S | 01:16 |
| siretart | oh | 01:16 |
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| sivang | morning | 01:45 |
| jsgotangco | hi! | 01:46 |
| sivang | hi jsgotangco , what's up? | 01:47 |
| jsgotangco | just finished dinner heh | 01:47 |
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| sivang | jsgotangco: what's on the plate for today? :) | 02:05 |
| jsgotangco | sivang: unfortunately its not kosher :/ | 02:06 |
| jsgotangco | sivang: interesting spec though ;) | 02:07 |
| sivang | hehe | 02:07 |
| sivang | jsgotangco: :-) | 02:07 |
| sivang | the uninterrupted video playback | 02:07 |
| sivang | ? | 02:07 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 02:08 |
| sivang | jsgotangco: I do wonder who decided that some foods are and some are not, or at least have the rationale behind it :-) | 02:08 |
| sivang | jsgotangco: should have had a spec for that | 02:08 |
| jsgotangco | its an real user case scenario | 02:08 |
| sivang | ah, indeed. | 02:08 |
| jsgotangco | on some branded laptops, they actually have special power management software for that | 02:09 |
| sivang | me and my gf use the machine to watch dvds, and I recently had to do a photo presentation of my trip to the UK | 02:09 |
| sivang | and g-p-m and IM got in the way, g-p-m decided the machine is idle and lowered the brightness, | 02:09 |
| sivang | i-m kept bugging us with stupid messages from family member that could have waited :) | 02:10 |
| sivang | etc.. | 02:10 |
| sivang | so it is a real use case :) | 02:10 |
| jsgotangco | yeah if i remember it right on a toshiba windows laptop, the settings aren't that fancy and just disables stuff so it won't get in the way of dvd playback | 02:10 |
| jsgotangco | but can be done with a keyboard shortcut | 02:11 |
| sivang | also, imagine yourself sitting in a presentation in a hall, and suddenly some odd looking popups is asking you to reboot your machine, do you want your investors to see that? :) or your students? | 02:11 |
| sivang | jsgotangco: right, so we should aim at least for that | 02:11 |
| sivang | jsgotangco: see followup to t u on the ML | 02:11 |
| sivang | anyway, breakfast and sleep recovery now :) | 02:12 |
| jsgotangco | it seems dbus has been the magical hiway of anything lately | 02:12 |
| StevenK | sivang: I've had that happen with Windows. | 02:14 |
| StevenK | "Updates have been installed. I'm going to reboot in 5 minutes." You couldn't cancel it, you could only postpone it by another five minutes. | 02:15 |
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| zakame | hi all! | 02:29 |
| highvoltage | hey zakame!! | 02:30 |
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| sivang | StevenK: indeed, LOL | 02:31 |
| === Hobbsee wonders what she missed | ||
| zakame | yo highvoltage !! =D | 02:34 |
| highvoltage | hehe :) | 02:34 |
| zakame | Hobbsee: what missed? | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee | zakame: i dont know. if i did, i wouldnt be asking :P | 02:35 |
| highvoltage | Hobbsee: don't worry, there are no wild parties here while you are away | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | awww...pity | 02:36 |
| zakame | highvoltage: there was one at my place some weeks ago, during my birthday :p | 02:37 |
| highvoltage | zakame: ah yes, when you turned hex(22) | 02:38 |
| zakame | yeah | 02:38 |
| highvoltage | i mean, 16 in hex :) | 02:38 |
| zakame | well actually it was more of my cousin's b-day bash, she's a day earlier than me, but a couple of years older | 02:39 |
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| pirast | who do i have to subscribe if it's a reupload? | 02:46 |
| pirast | Hobbsee: hi.. i subscribed you to 2 bug reports.. it would be great if you could check & merge the debdiffs into ubuntu | 02:46 |
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| Hobbsee | pirast: there's a group called ubuntu-universe-sponsors - subscribe them | 02:49 |
| pirast | hobbsee, okay, sorry for bugging :-) | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | pirast: it's fine :) | 02:50 |
| pirast | hobbsee, shall i subscribe them to reupload bugs, too? | 02:52 |
| Hobbsee | pirast: yeah | 02:53 |
| Hobbsee | pirast: wait, what do you mean by reupload? does it involve a debdiff? | 02:53 |
| pirast | hobbsee, no | 02:54 |
| pirast | it just has to be rebuilt | 02:55 |
| Hobbsee | pirast: got an example? | 02:55 |
| pirast | sure | 02:55 |
| pirast | bug 65463 | 02:55 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65463 in caudium "[REUPLOAD] [UNMETDEPS] caudium has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65463 | 02:55 |
| pirast | someone said that when a package has to be rebuillt it is just reuploaded to the archive. | 02:55 |
| Hobbsee | pirast: oh yeah. yes, that does | 02:56 |
| pirast | hobbsee, so i have to subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors? | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | pirast: yep. i'm doing caudium now. | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | pirast: if you've just got rebuilds, poke me with the bug numbers in -bugs, and i'll upload them while i munch | 02:58 |
| pirast | hobbsee, k, thanks :-) | 02:58 |
| pirast | hobbsee, lol... i wrote "sarah is going to reupload the package".. sorry, im not a native english speaker :-) | 03:00 |
| pirast | its like saying the weather is going to be great :-P | 03:00 |
| StevenK | pirast: Careful. Hobbsee might rain on your uploads. | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | it's fine | 03:01 |
| === Hobbsee requests a sync for that instead. | ||
| Hobbsee | seeing as debian's fixes multiple FTBFS | 03:02 |
| StevenK | Yay me. | 03:02 |
| pirast | stevenk, lol! | 03:02 |
| pirast | hobbsee, okay | 03:02 |
| === Hobbsee :P at StevenK | ||
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| asabil | hi all | 03:07 |
| asabil | anyone willing to make a .deb package for python-gtkglext ? | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | !info python-gtkglext | 03:08 |
| ubotu | Package python-gtkglext does not exist in any distro I know | 03:08 |
| asabil | so ? | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | no | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | i just thought it was already ther | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | e | 03:10 |
| asabil | so can I ask for one ? | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | you can ask, i dont think anyone will do it | 03:10 |
| asabil | I tried to tweak the one provided by the glchess developper | 03:10 |
| asabil | :/ | 03:11 |
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| pirast | will we remove mozilla in edgy+1 like debian does? | 03:32 |
| sivang | how do I list all the binary packages coming out of a single source? | 03:40 |
| StevenK | grep ^Package debian/control ? | 03:40 |
| sivang | StevenK: and without getting the source? :) | 03:40 |
| Hobbsee | sivang: apt-cache showsrc foo | 03:41 |
| StevenK | Yeah, that. | 03:41 |
| sivang | right, thanks | 03:41 |
| Hobbsee | or apt-cache show foo | grep Binary | 03:41 |
| Hobbsee | if you prefer | 03:41 |
| sivang | i have a memory loss problem | 03:41 |
| sivang | ;-) | 03:41 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 03:41 |
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| sivang | normally, when there are unmetdeps, how do we find out if a package has been replaced by another one and we need to change depends etc? I see dpkg not laways says which packages has been replaced by which | 03:48 |
| Hobbsee | sivang: either it says, or employ guesswork. also checking debian helps with that | 03:49 |
| Hobbsee | i havent found a quicker way | 03:49 |
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| sivang | Hobbsee: yes, just attempting to install on a sid chroot really helps | 03:51 |
| sivang | I thought if there is a better way :) | 03:51 |
| siretart | pirast: this hasn't been decided yet | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | sivang: packages.debian.org :P | 03:51 |
| sivang | Hobbsee: the chroot is faster :) | 03:53 |
| Hobbsee | depends how fast the chroot is :P | 03:53 |
| sivang | better then my broken fingers searchign through p.d.o :-p | 03:54 |
| sivang | nice, debtags-edit seems to just require a rebuild | 03:54 |
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| herzi | is it known that password recovery doesn't work on the revu site right now? | 04:01 |
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| pirast | herzi, what does not work? | 04:15 |
| herzi | i get this line as the last one | 04:16 |
| herzi | Now paste the text below, and enter EOT<return> | 04:16 |
| pirast | ajmitch helped me when I had a similar issue... | 04:17 |
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| pirast | herzi, just try to catch him later | 04:27 |
| ivoks | hi all | 04:27 |
| pirast | hi ivoks | 04:28 |
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| PSUSI | how can you clean spam off a bug on launchpad? | 04:36 |
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| azeem | PSUSI: try asking in #launchpad, maybe | 04:36 |
| PSUSI | heh, didn't realize it had its own channel | 04:37 |
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| pirast | siviang, hi.. | 04:46 |
| sivang | hi pirast | 04:47 |
| pirast | sivang, i parallally chatted with infinity about bug 2253 by chance.. | 04:47 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 2253 in fpc "fpc needs bootstrapping on buildds" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/2253 | 04:47 |
| sivang | I just chatted to slomo about this :) | 04:48 |
| pirast | sivang, great :-P | 04:48 |
| sivang | Adam told me some love needed to be put up into fpc on PPC, which would help him bootstrap | 04:48 |
| pirast | yeah.. :-( | 04:48 |
| sivang | I don't owe such an arch | 04:48 |
| pirast | i dont, either.. | 04:48 |
| pirast | but the way that it is now it breaks more.. | 04:49 |
| sivang | I just can't really understand nor did I Have the time to check why the user-he package depends on it, but well :-) | 04:49 |
| pirast | sivang, i had time: 63647 | 04:50 |
| pirast | look at my first reply there | 04:50 |
| sivang | malone #63647 | 04:50 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63647 in user-he "[UNMETDEPS] Edgy, user-he, Broken dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63647 | 04:50 |
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| pirast | at that post i didnt yet understand that fpc needs debootstrapping | 04:50 |
| sivang | pirast: right, thanks for the bug | 04:52 |
| sivang | I see it now | 04:52 |
| sivang | well, they should have used another language :-p | 04:52 |
| sivang | not so exotic ones | 04:52 |
| pirast | yeah.. there is a huge bunch of packages blocked by this.. | 04:52 |
| sivang | anyway, not an excuse, fpc shouldprobably be fixed for the good of the universe :) | 04:52 |
| pirast | sivang, so what shall we do? | 04:54 |
| pirast | ask infinity to bootstrap everything excepting powerpc? | 04:55 |
| sivang | I am not sure this can be done | 04:55 |
| sivang | or if it can, desired | 04:55 |
| sivang | slomo: you have an idea? | 04:55 |
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| slomo | i see no reason why it shouldn't be possible | 04:56 |
| slomo | but no idea about the ppc problem | 04:56 |
| pirast | thanks | 04:56 |
| sivang | crimsun: could it be that mxv is not published in debian sid? | 04:56 |
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| slomo | sivang: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mxv.html | 04:57 |
| giskard | hello slomo :) | 04:57 |
| slomo | hi giskard | 04:58 |
| sivang | hey giskard | 04:59 |
| sivang | slomo: thanks :) | 04:59 |
| giskard | hello sivang :) | 04:59 |
| sivang | slomo: where can I find the reason for the package being removed? | 05:00 |
| slomo | in the bugreport about the removal | 05:00 |
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| pirast | sivang, so shall I ask infinity to bootstrap everything excepting powerpc? | 05:01 |
| zul | /win 13 | 05:02 |
| sivang | pirast: already did | 05:02 |
| sivang | pirast: he will do it when he wakes up | 05:02 |
| sivang | he had to go to sleep now, at last | 05:02 |
| pirast | sivang, great.. thanks | 05:02 |
| sivang | pirast: no problem, its all fun. | 05:03 |
| pirast | sivang, yeah.. | 05:03 |
| pirast | sivang, regarding your reply to bug 63647: you also have to sync user-he from debian because of the firefox dependency.. but as far as i know there were only changes made to the debian directory. | 05:06 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63647 in user-he "[UNMETDEPS] Edgy, user-he, Broken dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63647 | 05:06 |
| sivang | pirast: for user-he or for -locale-he ? | 05:09 |
| sivang | pirast: (e.g. debian dir changes) | 05:09 |
| pirast | sivang, user-he | 05:10 |
| sivang | pirast: okay, so two syncs then | 05:11 |
| sivang | (we had no ubuntu changes anyways) | 05:11 |
| pirast | sivang, whats the other sync about? | 05:11 |
| sivang | does anybody know what happened to ivtools-interviews in edgy? did it got removed or someting? | 05:11 |
| sivang | pirast: sorry, I mean, one sync for moz-locale-he, and one for user-he | 05:11 |
| sivang | pirast: that what you meant right? | 05:12 |
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| pirast | sivang, if you mean firefox-locale-he :-) | 05:13 |
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| pirast | it does not have to be synced, the new debian package does not have it in it's build depends | 05:13 |
| sivang | pirast: yes | 05:13 |
| sivang | pirast: ah, even better then | 05:14 |
| sivang | pirast: so only user-he from debian, thanks | 05:14 |
| pirast | sivang, np and thanks, too :-) | 05:14 |
| sivang | pirast: :) | 05:14 |
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| chantra_ | hi, as anybody ran into troubles with /tmp directory lately? | 06:19 |
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| visik7 | hi | 06:31 |
| visik7 | I've a package that genereate libs and binary | 06:31 |
| visik7 | how can I handle the packaging ? | 06:31 |
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| lotusleaf | "I have the power!" | 06:37 |
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| pef | hello | 06:38 |
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| newz2000 | hello all, working with siretart I'm trying to diagnose kernel problems on the server 'tiber' where revu is located. | 07:33 |
| newz2000 | I'll need to rebooot this server soon. Anyone in there? I'll wait about 15 min and then plan my reboot. | 07:33 |
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| newz2000 | Server will be down hopefully only about 10 min, but a second reboot may be needed, so wait for my word to go back in. | 07:34 |
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| nixternal | 5 minutes down, 5 to go ;) | 07:39 |
| _MMA_ | Hows it goin LaserJock? | 07:39 |
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| LaserJock | oh, it's going | 07:40 |
| _MMA_ | Did you talk to System76? | 07:40 |
| LaserJock | trying to figure out if I'm missing any meetings right now :-) | 07:40 |
| LaserJock | not yet, I think I'll do that today | 07:40 |
| newz2000 | nixternal: I haven't rebooted yet. I'm still waiting for my 15 min warning to expire without objections. | 07:40 |
| nixternal | ahh | 07:40 |
| nixternal | hehe | 07:40 |
| nixternal | had to have some fun with it | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon's gotten some more stuff on our build farm | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | what's going down? | 07:41 |
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| _MMA_ | Not too much. | 07:41 |
| newz2000 | LaserJock: tiber server (where revu) | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | newz2000: ah, for the dapper upgrade? | 07:42 |
| newz2000 | yes | 07:42 |
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| newz2000 | ok, tiber goes down in 5 min. | 07:44 |
| lotusleaf | timber, his arms wide | 07:46 |
| newz2000 | and fingers crossed. ;D | 07:46 |
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| newz2000 | well, server didn't reboot on its own, so I'm opening a reboot ticket. For all of those holding their breath to get back into Tiber, have a nice sleep, because you'll pass out before it's back up. | 08:06 |
| ivoks | ? | 08:08 |
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| pirast | does anyone have time to apply to debdiffs that add .desktop entries? | 08:11 |
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| LaserJock | at this point in the release I don't think so | 08:16 |
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| pirast | LaserJock, aren't patches still allowed? | 08:20 |
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| LaserJock | they have to go through an exception process | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | and I don't think .desktop files are high enough priority to be accepted | 08:21 |
| pirast | LaserJock, every little patch also? | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | yes | 08:21 |
| pirast | argh. | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | we are in Release Candidate Freeze | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | yes | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | it was kinda sudden, I wasn't expecting it | 08:22 |
| zul | uh didnt you check the calendar? | 08:22 |
| jldugger | edgy certainly will feel shorter since dapper was delayed | 08:22 |
| pirast | LaserJock, when did it begin? i do not see it there: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule | 08:22 |
| LaserJock | zul: no, I did not expect Release Candidate Freeze to mean what it does for Edgy | 08:24 |
| LaserJock | zul: it hasn't in the past | 08:24 |
| zul | ah | 08:24 |
| LaserJock | pirast: it was announced on the mailing lists (ubuntu-devel-announce probably) | 08:25 |
| pirast | LaserJock, ok, i will subscribe there | 08:25 |
| pirast | to not miss further freezes | 08:25 |
| LaserJock | this is the most conservative release I've seen in terms of Freezes that I've seen so far | 08:25 |
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| highvoltage | hey LaserJock | 08:39 |
| highvoltage | I saw your wiki subpage on the motu stuff today | 08:39 |
| pirast | in my debdiff's there are sometimes config.* entrys.. i think that they were caused by debuild.. how can i prevent them of being in my debdiffs? | 08:40 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: ah, yeah | 08:40 |
| highvoltage | I've been learning some more packaging stuff so hopefully by the end of december I could be a motu too. | 08:40 |
| LaserJock | pirast: filterdiff | 08:40 |
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| pirast | LaserJock: thanks again :-) | 08:41 |
| LaserJock | np | 08:42 |
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| Sp4rKY | hi | 08:46 |
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| Sp4rKY | does revu.tauware.de is down ? | 08:46 |
| Sp4rKY | hi raphink | 08:46 |
| Sp4rKY | i'm talking with one of the audacious dev | 08:46 |
| Sp4rKY | "cause i'd tried to package it | 08:47 |
| Sp4rKY | but i lost all my packaging work, so i hope it is on revu | 08:47 |
| bhale | revu is down for maintainence | 08:48 |
| Sp4rKY | ok | 08:48 |
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| pirast | does ubuntu have an autosync to debian multimedia? | 08:52 |
| bhale | no. | 08:52 |
| pirast | bhale, k... | 08:52 |
| bhale | there are no autosyncs | 08:52 |
| bhale | since some weeks ago | 08:52 |
| bhale | months | 08:52 |
| pirast | bhale, I know that Edgy is freezed :-) But what is about Edgy+1? Will it have new packages from Debian Multimedia? | 08:53 |
| LaserJock | bhale: what's with the nick? | 08:53 |
| dholbach | good night | 08:53 |
| bhale | LaserJock: sigh | 08:53 |
| pirast | night | 08:53 |
| bhale | LaserJock: nothing is "with" it | 08:53 |
| zul | pirast: most likely | 08:54 |
| bhale | pirast: they could, but not auto | 08:54 |
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| pirast | :-( | 08:54 |
| pirast | so i have to file sync requests when there are new versions in debian multimedia :-( | 08:54 |
| LaserJock | bhale: but what happened to tseng? :( | 08:55 |
| bhale | LaserJock: its gone | 08:55 |
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| bhale | sorry | 08:56 |
| sivang | slomo: do you have a minute? | 08:56 |
| bhale | i dont know why everyone is taking it so hard | 08:56 |
| slomo | yes | 08:56 |
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| LaserJock | well, we get used to it I suppose | 08:56 |
| sivang | bhale: not taking this hard, just got used to it :) | 08:56 |
| LaserJock | I just wondered, I've thought of changing mine too | 08:56 |
| bhale | sivang: rock | 08:56 |
| bhale | LaserJock: you should | 08:56 |
| bhale | its not as hard as you think | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | as it takes a while for people to relate my name to my nick | 08:57 |
| sivang | bhale is easier to pronounce :) | 08:57 |
| sivang | like "Hey *B* hale, whassup?" | 08:57 |
| sivang | it's groovier | 08:57 |
| sivang | slomo: anyways :) | 08:57 |
| sivang | slomo: I'm trying to fix fixedpoint (bin: python-fixed point) | 08:57 |
| bhale | sivan *G* | 08:57 |
| slomo | sivang: ok, what's the problem with it? :) | 08:58 |
| sivang | slomo: I dropped versioned dependency on python2.3-dev, building is fine, | 08:58 |
| sivang | slomo: still when I try to install it, there seem to be python2.3 dependnecies (unmet dep on 2.3) | 08:58 |
| sivang | slomo: I can't seem to find where the culprit lies, it's all subtvars dependencies anyways. | 08:59 |
| sivang | oh crap | 08:59 |
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| sivang | Depends: python2.3 | 08:59 |
| sivang | I am going blind :) | 08:59 |
| slomo | ok ;) | 09:00 |
| sivang | slomo: wait, it's not over yet, even if this is fixed to depend only on python or python2.4 as we have, there's still: | 09:00 |
| sivang | Conflicts: python2.3-fixedpoint | 09:00 |
| sivang | Replaces: python2.3-fixedpoint | 09:00 |
| sivang | should I just make those without version as per new python policy? also, in the changelog it says that it already conforms to it, and indeed has pycentral on its dependencies. | 09:01 |
| slomo | no, the conflicts/replaces are still necessary as it conflicts/replaces the old versions | 09:01 |
| sivang | ah okay, good to know | 09:02 |
| sivang | and should I touch this: | 09:02 |
| sivang | XB-Python-Version: 2.3 | 09:02 |
| sivang | ? | 09:02 |
| sivang | oh hell | 09:02 |
| sivang | Description: A fixed point math object for python [dummy package] | 09:03 |
| sivang | This module provides a fixed point math object for python for monetary- | 09:03 |
| sivang | applications. This module is not needed for python2.4 and later versions- | 09:03 |
| sivang | because they provide a built-in decimal module. | 09:03 |
| sivang | :-D | 09:03 |
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| LaserJock | darn, today apt want's to autoremove everything :/ | 09:11 |
| pirast | night | 09:15 |
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| sivang | where is her holbach when I need him? :p | 09:19 |
| bhale | herr | 09:19 |
| pirast | sivang, he went sleeping: <dholbach> good night | 09:20 |
| pirast | and i do now, too.. | 09:20 |
| pirast | night | 09:20 |
| sivang | ah, oopss, hehe | 09:20 |
| sivang | good night to you folks, in absentia | 09:20 |
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| geser | has someone here some time to upload three debdiffs fixing unmetdeps? | 09:27 |
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| crimsun | geser: bug #s? | 10:14 |
| Bensin | Is this the right place to report a problem with installing a package in the universe repository? | 10:15 |
| crimsun | technically, no. Use https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug | 10:16 |
| crimsun | In reality, you can mention it in addition to filing a bug. | 10:16 |
| Bensin | crimsun: OK. Thanks. I'll do that then. I thought launchpad was just for reporting problems with officially supported software. | 10:18 |
| crimsun | for all Ubuntu software. | 10:18 |
| ajmitch | morning | 10:18 |
| crimsun | (it's acceptable to tell us what's uninstallable, certainly) | 10:18 |
| crimsun | 'morning, ajmitch | 10:19 |
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| Bensin | crimsun: have a problem with installing vmware-player. | 10:19 |
| Bensin | on a completely newly installed ubuntu. | 10:20 |
| sivang | ajmitch: morning | 10:21 |
| crimsun | sivang: sorry, just read backscroll for your question, though it seems Sebastian answered it | 10:21 |
| crimsun | (it's not in Sid, no. Is Edgy's broken?) | 10:22 |
| geser | crimsun: bug 65411, bug 65405, bug 65347 and bug 65350 (for lophyte) | 10:30 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65411 in python-omniorb2 "[UNMETDEPS] python-omniorb2 has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65411 | 10:30 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65405 in python-pyrss2gen "[UNMETDEPS] python-pyrss2gen has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65405 | 10:30 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65347 in quixote "[UNMETDEPS] quixote has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65347 | 10:30 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65350 in projectmanager.app "[UNMETDEPS] projectmanager.app has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65350 | 10:30 |
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| geser | crimsun: could you also ACK bug 65417? | 10:31 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65417 in mknfonts.tool "[UNMETDEPS] [Sync Request] mknfonts.tool (0.5-6) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65417 | 10:31 |
| crimsun | geser: it didn't really need an ack, but I gave one anyway (sivang is a member of ubuntu-dev) | 10:34 |
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| mr_pouit | a little question : is it normal for a package to be in the "dependency wait" state, if the dependency already exists ?(https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/248162) | 10:36 |
| ivoks | i'm shocked how beryl works :) | 10:36 |
| crimsun | mr_pouit: that's because idjc's debian/control:Build-Depends is incorrect. idjc's source is in universe, whereas liblame-dev is in multiverse. A universe source package cannot build-depend on a binary package in multiverse. | 10:38 |
| crimsun | (just as a main source package cannot build-depend on a binary package in universe or multiverse) | 10:39 |
| geser | crimsun: I was used to get an ACK after a sync request not before | 10:39 |
| mr_pouit | crimsun, ah, thanks for the explanation. So what should (can ?) I do ? | 10:41 |
| crimsun | mr_pouit: fix idjc's debian/control:Build-Depends and provide a debdiff. | 10:41 |
| ajmitch | ivoks: why so? | 10:42 |
| ivoks | ajmitch: it's perfect :) | 10:43 |
| ajmitch | hardly.. | 10:43 |
| ivoks | well, on my 945 i see no problems | 10:44 |
| mr_pouit | crimsun, ok | 10:44 |
| geser | crimsun: if idjc build-depend on a multiverse package shouldn't it be moved into multiverse? | 10:47 |
| crimsun | geser: if one intends it to build with both liblame-dev and libfaad2-dev build-deps, yes | 10:50 |
| crimsun | alternately, of course, remove compile-time support for both mp3 and aac, and it can remain in universe | 10:51 |
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| lophyte | geser: what were those bugs about? | 11:01 |
| lophyte | oh, nm | 11:02 |
| lophyte | projectmanager.app | 11:02 |
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| mr_pouit | crimsun, ok, I removed liblame-dev and libfaad2-dev, and it still buils in a pbuilder. The last question: should I add a changelog entry and increment the version number ? | 11:02 |
| crimsun | mr_pouit: yes | 11:03 |
| mr_pouit | ok | 11:03 |
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| superm1 | crimsun, would you be able to take a look at / upload bug 65790 by chance? | 11:03 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65790 in mythtv "Mytharchive crashes due to buggy mythreplex utility" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65790 | 11:03 |
| lophyte | superm1: no box today either, btw | 11:03 |
| superm1 | lophyte, sounds like your friend is pulling a fast one on you. "3 day shipping". ;) | 11:04 |
| lophyte | not that I know of.. they might've came while I was out | 11:04 |
| lophyte | indeed... *shrug* | 11:04 |
| lophyte | I'll have to go check the mail | 11:04 |
| superm1 | :) | 11:04 |
| lophyte | they usually leave a slip if you're not home | 11:04 |
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| geser | lophyte: crimsun is willing to upload some debdiffs | 11:06 |
| Q-FUNK | 'evening | 11:06 |
| lophyte | geser: ahh | 11:06 |
| geser | and I've also mentioned your debdiff | 11:06 |
| lophyte | cool | 11:07 |
| geser | don't forget to subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to your debdiffs else they are sitting in LP until someone stumbles over them | 11:08 |
| lophyte | didn't I? | 11:08 |
| geser | not for the debdiff for projectmanager.app | 11:09 |
| lophyte | ack | 11:10 |
| lophyte | thought I did | 11:10 |
| geser | when the uploaded package is available from the repos you can set the bug from fix comitted to fix released | 11:12 |
| geser | crimsun: thanks for uploading | 11:24 |
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| LaserJock | is 0xffff black? | 11:26 |
| ajmitch | white | 11:27 |
| ajmitch | well, #ffffff is white for html/css :) | 11:27 |
| ajmitch | btw, hi LaserJock & Fujitsu | 11:27 |
| sivang | hey ajmitch | 11:27 |
| Fujitsu | Hey ajmitch. | 11:28 |
| ajmitch | hello sivang | 11:28 |
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| Fujitsu | Hi sivang, LaserJock. | 11:28 |
| LaserJock | hi Fujitsu | 11:28 |
| imbrandon | heya ajmitch LaserJock | 11:28 |
| sivang | ajmitch: re malone #65376 , I see that it's installable and importable now, I am going to close the bug / reject | 11:28 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65376 in pygsm "[UNMETDEPS] pygsm has unmet dependencies (and FTBFS)" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65376 | 11:28 |
| Fujitsu | Hi imbrandon. | 11:28 |
| LaserJock | I'm actually hacking on a program today! | 11:28 |
| Fujitsu | Which, LaserJock? | 11:28 |
| sivang | LaserJock: wow! which one? | 11:28 |
| LaserJock | gchemutils | 11:28 |
| imbrandon | hehe LaserJock | 11:28 |
| Fujitsu | Ooh dear. | 11:28 |
| ajmitch | sivang: ok, why tell me? :) | 11:28 |
| Fujitsu | What are you doing to it? | 11:28 |
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| LaserJock | I'm learning some C++ along the way | 11:29 |
| sivang | ajmitch: I've managed to insall it, and it seems to build fine :) | 11:29 |
| LaserJock | I'm adding a feature to gchemtable | 11:29 |
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| ajmitch | sivang: does it not have the python2.3-dev builddep? | 11:29 |
| sivang | hmm, it does, doh, but how can it build then? :) | 11:30 |
| ajmitch | it can't - python2.3 is removed | 11:30 |
| imbrandon | heya Fujitsu | 11:31 |
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| sivang | where do I find build logs? | 11:32 |
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| Fujitsu | sivang, on LP? | 11:32 |
| LaserJock | wahoo! and I just broke it :-) | 11:32 |
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| sivang | Fujitsu: what's the url? :) | 11:32 |
| Fujitsu | sivang, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/package/version | 11:33 |
| sivang | Fujitsu: thanks | 11:33 |
| Fujitsu | Then click on the architecture on the right. | 11:33 |
| Fujitsu | Oops. | 11:33 |
| Fujitsu | Left. | 11:33 |
| sivang | ajmitch: right, but how come there are no failed build logs? | 11:34 |
| sivang | ajmitch: (on LP) | 11:34 |
| Fujitsu | sivang, it hasn't been uploaded to Edgy. | 11:35 |
| Fujitsu | So hasn't built since python2.3 was removed. | 11:35 |
| ajmitch | as Fujitsu said ^^ | 11:35 |
| Fujitsu | siretart, thanks :) (re. bug 63948) | 11:37 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63948 in mpd "creating databases fails" [Unknown,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63948 | 11:37 |
| sivang | if you take a look at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/pygsm | 11:37 |
| sivang | you see that SOyuz think that it has been uploaded to edgy on 2006-06-08 | 11:38 |
| sivang | is Soyuz wrong? | 11:38 |
| Fujitsu | No. | 11:38 |
| Fujitsu | It was uploaded to Edgy automatically, carried from Dapper. | 11:38 |
| imbrandon | e.g binary uploaded, not rebuilt | 11:39 |
| sivang | imbrandon: thanks | 11:39 |
| sivang | so the binaries are just copied from the previous rlease.. | 11:39 |
| sivang | seems not the smartest thing to do. I was sure it always gets rebuilt with each new distrorelease :) | 11:40 |
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| ajmitch | sivang: certainly not - anytime a rebuild happens, the version number *must* change | 11:41 |
| ajmitch | otherwise you'd have 2 binaries with the same version, built against different toolchains & libraries | 11:42 |
| ajmitch | making upgrading a nightmare | 11:42 |
| plugwash | also if ubuntu is using the pool system then i don't think they can have more than one binary package of the same name/version in the system even if they wan't to | 11:43 |
| ajmitch | yep | 11:43 |
| sivang | I see, okay, that makes sense. but shouldn't soyuz at least provide some info that a binary was 'copied' from the previous release rather then letting me puzzled infront of missing build logs? or should I have known that? | 11:44 |
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| sivang | and if the answer is the latter, how can I know this right away without attempting to find build logs and failing? :-) | 11:45 |
| geser | from the version history on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pygsm you can see that the last upload was in hoary | 11:45 |
| plugwash | it seems odd to me that it would be listed as an upload to edgy at all, i'd have thought the bulk copy would be silent | 11:45 |
| sivang | plugwash: well, that would have helped me to remove the ambiguity just as well :) | 11:46 |
| sivang | geser: from the : | 11:47 |
| sivang | Initially uploaded to: | 11:47 |
| sivang | Ubuntu Hoary | 11:47 |
| sivang | ? | 11:47 |
| imbrandon | sivang, no look at the last time the version number changed ;) | 11:47 |
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| imbrandon | that was the last upload | 11:47 |
| imbrandon | and rebuild | 11:47 |
| sivang | imbrandon: ah, doh, ajmitch noted everytime the package is rebuild the version number must change. this is the right rule to follow then :) | 11:48 |
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| plugwash | the "every rebuild the version must change" is the reason you see binary packages with + added to the end of the version number (at least in debian) | 11:49 |
| superm1 | plugwash, what happens when there are two rebuilds then before a new version? two +'s? | 11:50 |
| geser | sivang: and here is the old buildlog http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/p/pygsm/0.1-1ubuntu1/ | 11:50 |
| LaserJock | UTC+9.5 ? that's interesting | 11:50 |
| plugwash | sorry its not just + its + followed by a numer | 11:50 |
| superm1 | oh | 11:50 |
| sivang | plugwash: can you think of an example? | 11:50 |
| imbrandon | rebuilds in ubuntu generaly get a new reversion like -XubuntuN where N is incremented | 11:51 |
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| plugwash | sivang i'll find one gimme a min | 11:53 |
| sivang | imbrandon: Kamion noted that a plain rebuild, without any ubuntu changes should get buildX | 11:53 |
| sivang | (to ease mergers/sync afterwards) | 11:53 |
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| sivang | hmm, the package I did all this fuss for is pygsm, which seems to not exist in debian | 11:54 |
| imbrandon | yea but going from 1.5.3-6ubuntu5 to 1.5.3-6buntu5-build1 is silly, it becomes 1.5.3-6ubuntu6 , BUT 1.5-3 would become 1.5-3build1 yes | 11:55 |
| plugwash | sorry its +b<number> not +<number> | 11:57 |
| plugwash | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/3270-common <-- there is an example of a package that has been rebuilt once for i386 but not for any of the other architectures | 11:57 |
| imbrandon | and that dosent happen in ubuntu, its built for all again, as we dont use binary uploads directly | 11:58 |
| plugwash | debian don't use binary uploads for rebuilds either anymore | 11:58 |
| plugwash | iirc they just have a switch somewhere that they use to tell the buildds that a package needs rebuilding | 11:58 |
| plugwash | and they can set it on a per architecture basis | 11:59 |
| sivang | imbrandon: right, all uploads are source uploads in ubuntu | 11:59 |
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| imbrandon | sivang, yea thats the point i was making | 12:00 |
| plugwash | imbrandon well it makes it much easier to get self compiling compilers in | 12:00 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I believe it also makes you prove you could build it :-) | 12:00 |
| sivang | ah right, can relieve from having to bootstrap self contained langs | 12:00 |
| imbrandon | plugwash, well thats a corner case , not needed for the vast majority of packages that can be bootstraped | 12:00 |
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| sivang | anyway, anyone have opinion on what looks to be completely deserted pygsm ? | 12:01 |
| === sivang notes p.q.d.o seems to have never heared about it as well | ||
| imbrandon | sivang, check the rdepends and file a bug for removal | 12:01 |
| imbrandon | imho | 12:01 |
| ajmitch | oh look, root exploit in the nvidia binary driver | 12:01 |
| ajmitch | what a surprise | 12:02 |
| sivang | ajmitch: hehe | 12:02 |
| imbrandon | hahahahah | 12:02 |
| sivang | who discovered it? | 12:02 |
| sivang | nvidia? :) | 12:02 |
| ajmitch | it's a familiar bug - the same one that had the code of conduct screen taking down X | 12:02 |
| ajmitch | no | 12:02 |
| imbrandon | sony rootkit ? heh | 12:02 |
| ajmitch | nvidia would have silently fixed it, I'm sure | 12:02 |
| ajmitch | http://download2.rapid7.com/r7-0025/ | 12:02 |
| ajmitch | the DoS listed is identical to one that has shown up a few times on malone | 12:03 |
| geser | sivang: pygsm seems to be also dead upstream, the last and only release was on December 27, 2003 | 12:03 |
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| sivang | geser: indeed, I am now filing a removal request | 12:05 |
| sivang | geser: (made sure that has no rdepends) | 12:05 |
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