| Sime | Zzzzz | 12:13 |
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| Sime | cya | 12:13 |
| oslo | i didn't manage to use screenkast to make videos of my desktop | 12:14 |
| oslo | ??? | 12:15 |
| DaSkreech | Oh? | 12:16 |
| DaSkreech | Why not? | 12:16 |
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| ryanakca | KDE4 bugs are reported where? bugs.kde.org or launchpad.net? | 12:34 |
| Riddell | bugs.kde.org | 12:35 |
| ryanakca | kk | 12:35 |
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| ryanakca | will export KDEDIR=/usr/lib/kde4 apply/affect kmenu? or just apps run from that konsole | 12:37 |
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| kwwii | Riddell: what is the time-frame for including usplash artwork | 12:44 |
| kwwii | ? | 12:44 |
| kwwii | note that ubuntu received an exception to include new artwork pretty much everywhere | 12:45 |
| Riddell | kwwii: not sure, what do you want to change? | 12:45 |
| Riddell | kwwii: do you know anything about the KDE patron logo? | 12:45 |
| kwwii | I would like to make the progress bar in the kubuntu usplash look similar to the ubuntu usplash version | 12:46 |
| kwwii | nope, I saw a mail about it with Nuno saying he would do it or such | 12:46 |
| Riddell | kwwii: commit it to bzr and I'll see if I can upload | 12:46 |
| kwwii | or am I crazy? | 12:46 |
| Riddell | hmm, Nuno denied all knowledge | 12:46 |
| kwwii | hehe | 12:47 |
| kwwii | then nobody is doing it | 12:47 |
| Riddell | groovy, I'll ask the board what's going on with it | 12:47 |
| kwwii | there is also an open request for a KDE ev logo | 12:47 |
| kwwii | I mean, how many kde logos can one make | 12:47 |
| kwwii | ? | 12:48 |
| Riddell | well e.v. and patron should be variants of the KDE logo | 12:48 |
| Riddell | just some text in the right place would be fine | 12:48 |
| kwwii | that is my opinion too | 12:48 |
| oslo | DaSkreech? | 12:48 |
| DaSkreech | Skreenkast? | 12:49 |
| oslo | ya | 12:49 |
| oslo | i got an isdnvcserver error | 12:49 |
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| DaSkreech | vnc eh? | 12:49 |
| oslo | when i tried to reachit, & when i start it i see nothing new | 12:49 |
| kwwii | Riddell: send an email to the board and include all@oxygen-icons.org in CC with these thoughts | 12:50 |
| kwwii | (just so they notice it, david and nuno are both members but they rarely read the list | 12:50 |
| kwwii | ) | 12:50 |
| === DaSkreech still votes for an optional one that shows progress :) | ||
| kwwii | artists are wierd people...sometimes I think I am the most normal of all :-) | 12:51 |
| kwwii | I bet that would scare some people | 12:52 |
| Jucato | heh :) | 12:52 |
| Riddell | kwwii: let me know when you commit to bzr | 12:52 |
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| kwwii | Riddell: it will probably be tomorrow as I talked one of the ubuntu artists into doing it, he mentioned it would take a while | 12:54 |
| Riddell | delegation! excellent | 12:54 |
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| kwwii | funnily enough, the ubuntu artists are really keen on working on kubuntu atm | 12:55 |
| Riddell | excellent | 12:56 |
| DaSkreech | Cool | 12:56 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell got a lot of buzz this week | 12:57 |
| kwwii | I thought that the progess bar in the usplash is a good place to start unifying thing | 12:57 |
| kwwii | s | 12:57 |
| kwwii | :-) | 12:57 |
| Jucato | kool! more artists for Kubuntu :) | 12:58 |
| kwwii | I was lucky to have had time working on dapper artwork to understand the system behind things....I think that the new stuff will hopefully interest a few new artists | 12:59 |
| kwwii | kubuntu enjoys many freedoms that ubuntu does not | 12:59 |
| DaSkreech | Go K! | 01:00 |
| DaSkreech | Freeedommmmmmmm | 01:00 |
| Jucato | and Kubuntu is lucky to have kwwii on the team for Edgy. really really nice :) | 01:01 |
| kwwii | thanks :-) | 01:02 |
| kwwii | the point is that is has to lead somewhere | 01:03 |
| kwwii | but good artists are so hard to come by | 01:03 |
| kwwii | anyway.... | 01:04 |
| kwwii | time for sleep | 01:04 |
| DaSkreech | Night | 01:04 |
| Jucato | night! :) | 01:04 |
| kwwii | night all | 01:04 |
| Jucato | btw, just out of curiousity, when is Kubuntu's birthday? | 01:04 |
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| ryanakca | hmmm.... no clue... not on the wiki? | 01:08 |
| jjesse | Jucato: its the day that Riddell posted his blog entry about wanting to help w/ ubuntu | 01:08 |
| jjesse | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/591 | 01:10 |
| Riddell | note how I cleverly search engine optimised the title of that blog :) | 01:10 |
| jjesse | still the first entry for google search: jonathan riddell and ubuntu | 01:11 |
| ryanakca | lol | 01:11 |
| Riddell | used to be first for ubuntu :) | 01:11 |
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| DaSkreech | Yeah I remember that | 01:11 |
| ryanakca | ubuntu version of tomsrtbt :) | 01:12 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: Do we care that Edubuntu is excising the KDE apps? | 01:12 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: yes, but I don't really blame them | 01:13 |
| DaSkreech | Well seeing as most of the Edu apps are KDE I'd think they would want to excise Gnome :( | 01:14 |
| Riddell | that would be a logical approach | 01:16 |
| DaSkreech | ah well | 01:16 |
| Jucato | jjesse: oh thanks :) | 01:17 |
| Jucato | so that would make Kubuntu's birthday Aug. 28, 2004? | 01:17 |
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| ryanakca | heh... | 01:23 |
| === ryanakca wonders why we didn't have e-cake and e-balloons and e-banners and a big b-day party :D | ||
| Jucato | probably being 2 years old isn't worth a big celebration just yet? | 01:26 |
| DaSkreech | That's e-kake | 01:26 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: would white around klippers' icon in the systray and around the ok/cancel pics on their respective buttons count as a bug? or would it just be style/theme problems? | 01:26 |
| ryanakca | lol | 01:26 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: sounds like a bug | 01:27 |
| ryanakca | kk | 01:27 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 01:36 |
| DaSkreech | Hi | 01:36 |
| ryanakca | hey bddebian | 01:36 |
| bddebian | Hello DaSkreech, ryanakca | 01:37 |
| DaSkreech | Can someone give some X help on edgy in the main chan? | 01:37 |
| ryanakca | I can try :) | 01:41 |
| DaSkreech | ryanakca: Hooray | 01:42 |
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| DaSkreech | nixternal: I'm going to ponder it some more this weel | 03:14 |
| DaSkreech | k | 03:14 |
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| jjesse | oin #ichthux-devel | 04:09 |
| Jucato | heheh :) | 04:09 |
| jjesse | doh | 04:10 |
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| Hawkwind | Ahhh, finally got xchat-2.6.8 to build for dapper and Edgy as it was just released today :) | 05:00 |
| Jucato | nice one. | 05:01 |
| Hawkwind | Ohh! Good mornin` sir Jucato! | 05:01 |
| Hawkwind | I've had my head stuck in deb and rpm building. Didn't see ya come in :P | 05:01 |
| Jucato | come in? I've been here for 4 hours now :P | 05:01 |
| Hawkwind | I was playing darts for a while. Then helping Liz with insurance choices. Then got right back to building KDE rpms and xchat debs | 05:02 |
| Jucato | ah | 05:03 |
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| Hawkwind | Nope | 05:04 |
| Hawkwind | There is no new Windows version though today :P | 05:05 |
| Hawkwind | Windows is still at 2.6.7 and Linux is now at 2.6.8 | 05:05 |
| Jucato | yeah | 05:05 |
| Hawkwind | I've got a free official build since I've done quite a bit of work, features requests and all for Xchat. So my dad gets to use the official version on his PC | 05:05 |
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| ZeroCool | when will they fix the system Monitor & Display issue | 08:06 |
| nixternal | what is the issue ZeroCool? | 08:09 |
| ZeroCool | well, its like this: when opening system setting and selecting monitors & display, it tell me that it can't load the module due to.. | 08:15 |
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| ZeroCool | its late... zzzzzzzzzzzzz | 08:20 |
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| Sime | Tonio_: I've found the audiocd problem. Patches tonight. Some kind of behavour difference between 3.5.4 and 3.5.5. | 08:44 |
| imbrandon | Sime, rockin | 08:51 |
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| Lure | Sime: is there a bug opened? If we want this in Edgy, we need to target it for the release | 09:13 |
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| Lure | Riddell: what is going on with kubuntu.org (website and repositories)? | 09:20 |
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| Lure | Riddell: just fyi - I had to run apt-get -f install to install koffice 1.6 correctly http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27070/ | 10:27 |
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| freeflying | imbrandon: arounds? | 11:31 |
| imbrandon | freeflying, wasup | 11:32 |
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| Tonio_ | Sime: you rock ! | 12:18 |
| === Jucato wonders what Sime did this time :) | ||
| Sime | Lure: I don't know. If there is one let me know and I will mention it in my changelog. | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | Sime: bah you fixed the issue hehe :) | 12:20 |
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| rideout | Riddell: ping | 01:18 |
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| Riddell | hi rideout | 02:31 |
| rideout | Riddell: the qt4 you uploaded had a build failure, but infinity and dholbach are on it, after i discovered the culprit | 02:35 |
| Riddell | yeah, just been looking at that | 02:35 |
| Riddell | qmake really is crap for make clean | 02:36 |
| rideout | Riddell: i have about one hour more that i can spend on helping with edgy, any suggests, should i just head off to malone? | 02:38 |
| Riddell | you could tell me if bug 66442 is an issue | 02:39 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 66442 in kdebase "No keyboard layouts available in settings after upgrade to kde 3.5.5" [Undecided,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/66442 | 02:39 |
| rideout | ok, i'll check it out | 02:39 |
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| rideout | it was for me, when i first upgraded to edgy a few weeks ago, i had to manually set up a symlink, i'll delete the xkb folders and reinstall to see if works now | 02:41 |
| Riddell | rideout: how did you fix qt4? | 02:43 |
| Riddell | ah, your e-mail says | 02:44 |
| rideout | yeah | 02:48 |
| rideout | Riddell: what packaged should be in charge of /usr/share/X11/xkb ? | 02:49 |
| Riddell | xkb-data? | 02:50 |
| Riddell | at least that's what does /etc/X11/xkb/ | 02:50 |
| Riddell | but presumably we want to change KDE to use the correct /etc/X11/xkb/ location | 02:51 |
| rideout | yep, apt-file didn't say though | 02:51 |
| rideout | i just was being thourough in my investigation | 02:53 |
| rideout | the location changed with xorg 6.9/7.0 to 7.1 i think, i'll have to check | 02:53 |
| Riddell | so nothing should have changed for kde 3.5.5 | 02:54 |
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| MidMark | ma salva un cookie? | 03:01 |
| MidMark | sorry | 03:01 |
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| rideout | Riddell: kde changed the order of the paths it seached from /etc/X11/, to /usr/share/X11/ first | 03:03 |
| rideout | a function looks in a list of directories and the first one with an xkb subdirectory it sees it uses it | 03:04 |
| rideout | http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/3.5.4/kdebase/kxkb/x11helper.cpp?rev=565692&view=markup | 03:04 |
| rideout | http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/3.5.5/kdebase/kxkb/x11helper.cpp?rev=591452&view=markup | 03:05 |
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| rideout | Riddell: power failure, i'm back | 03:16 |
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| rideout | Riddell: we have a few options, but the best is just to change kde's behaviour back to 3.5.4 | 03:18 |
| mhb | hi all | 03:18 |
| Riddell | rideout: that sounds like the best thing to do | 03:18 |
| rideout | i'll send you a diff in a minute or so | 03:19 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I don't find kdebindings 3.5.5 on launchpad... any url ? | 03:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: os does it need packaging ? | 03:48 |
| Tonio_ | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/kdebindings that's all I can find | 03:48 |
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| rideout | Riddell: http://ats-pos.com/tmp/kdebase_3.5.5-0ubuntu4.diff.gz | 03:49 |
| bddebian | Howdy | 03:51 |
| Tonio_ | yo bddebian | 03:53 |
| bddebian | Hi Tonio_ | 03:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: current package fails on configure (gcj detection), want me to fix this or upgrade to 3.5.5 ? | 03:55 |
| Jucato | hi bddebian | 03:56 |
| bddebian | Hello Jucato | 03:59 |
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| ZeroCool | Thought I would ask, is there a secure method of deletion of folder with files, & files..eg: .xls .html .doc..etc | 04:17 |
| rideout | ZeroCool: secure meaning, that they can't be recovered by someone who knows what their doing? | 04:19 |
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| ZeroCool | rideout did you get that | 04:25 |
| rideout | ZeroCool: no | 04:29 |
| ZeroCool | Yes, secure delete NO-ONE can recover it, NO-ONE nor NO-Thing Gone forever... | 04:30 |
| rideout | ZeroCool: i've sent you some ideas and solutions in private chat | 04:38 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: you can try 3.5.5 if you want but it didn't work for me | 04:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm just building, let's see what happens | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I was thinking about the view mode switcher button in konq.... lots of people seem to prefer the 3 buttons mode, since that allow quick switch between several views | 04:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I know you don't want to have too many buttons in the bar, and I just found this :http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=47354&PHPSESSID=7b6de2894cebccf264d5d4e6edb86a4e | 04:41 |
| ZeroCool | rideout: got them, however I try to sent some messages back, but they where block , some spam filter is on. | 04:41 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: they prefer the 3 buttons over your single button solution? | 04:41 |
| Tonio_ | stop/reload button merged, so that switching back to 3 modes button would only cost one more button than now | 04:42 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: something to look at | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: looks like yes, especially for quick change | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, that's of course for edgy+1, but I'm starting collecting ideas | 04:42 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: they're crazy, then! :P | 04:42 |
| Jucato | doesn't Opera merge the stop/reload button, too? | 04:43 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: bah, I can understanf the point when you switch very often, 3 buttons (at least 2 makes sense | 04:43 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: yes opera does, and that's a good idea in my opinion | 04:43 |
| rideout | ZeroCool: no filters on my side | 04:43 |
| Jucato | hm... but if you switch very often, wouldn't keyboard shortcuts be even faster? oh well :) | 04:43 |
| Tonio_ | the point is having 3 buttons isn't that a problem if we reduce the bar space usage on the oposite side | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: bah they like clicking :) | 04:44 |
| ZeroCool | it must be on my side.. odd | 04:44 |
| Jucato | lol | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: but there are at least 2 launchpad bugs, confirmed by lots of people, that ask for 3 buttons back.... | 04:44 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: and I presume they seen/tried the single button solution you made? | 04:45 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: sure | 04:45 |
| Jucato | ah ok :) | 04:45 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: strange indeed.... it doesn't find libgcj.so, in libgcj7-dev, installed by builddep java-gcj-compat-dev | 04:47 |
| Tonio_ | doesn't make sense....... | 04:47 |
| Riddell | that's why I didn't update to 3.5.5 | 04:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll investigate toonight... | 04:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the amazing thing is that 3.5.4 ftbfs too | 04:51 |
| Tonio_ | it build before but fails, probably due to 3.5.5 deps | 04:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I confirm libgcj.so isn't in /usr/lib during the build...... let's understand why... | 04:58 |
| ZeroCool | now, for the major problem: is there a fix for going into system, select monitor & display ? | 05:00 |
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| rideout | ZeroCool: user questions for #kubuntu | 05:01 |
| ZeroCool | oh, thought this was also reporting bugs | 05:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: libgcj7-dev content has changed... /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/libgij.so -> ../../../libgij.so.70 | 05:05 |
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| Tonio_ | that's probably an issue in the package I assume | 05:05 |
| rideout | ZeroCool: malone is for bugs, but yes, this is for discussing them, what what is wrong with monitor & display ? | 05:05 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: I seem to remember that even if I manually added the libgij.so symlink it failed later on | 05:06 |
| ZeroCool | goto: system setting, select monitor & display, get message, saying module could not load | 05:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah ? | 05:07 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: but should we fix libgcj7-dev first ? that'll probably impact lots of packages no ? | 05:08 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: doko may have had a reason for removing it | 05:11 |
| rideout | ZeroCool: that is an issue either with kde-guidance or python, are you using edgy or dapper? | 05:11 |
| ZeroCool | using edgy 6.10 | 05:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum probably... | 05:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm trying to add the symlink during the build process | 05:12 |
| Tonio_ | we'll see what happens | 05:12 |
| Riddell | you can't do that, only root can do that | 05:14 |
| Riddell | unless you mean build of libgij | 05:14 |
| sebas | ZeroCool: Can you try "kcmshell displayconfig" please? | 05:14 |
| sebas | That gives meaningful errors in the best case. | 05:14 |
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| ZeroCool | yeah, its the same error fail to load monitor & display module | 05:16 |
| ZeroCool | ImportError: No module named displayconfig | 05:16 |
| ZeroCool | error: ***failed to import module | 05:16 |
| ZeroCool | rick@KB32bit:~$ | 05:16 |
| dinosaur-rus | I have problems with compiling 32-bit apps that use X Window system (Wine, particularly) | 05:18 |
| sebas | Hm, it doesn't even find it. | 05:19 |
| sebas | So python-related stuff is OK. | 05:19 |
| nixternal | hrmm...i thought that error was gone | 05:20 |
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| nixternal | it went away for me almost 2 weeks ago i would say | 05:21 |
| === nixternal shoves the bug back ;) | ||
| === nixternal checks his system settings | ||
| nixternal | works here | 05:22 |
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| ZeroCool | sebas, what do you think about the error | 05:22 |
| nixternal | ZeroCool: i am willing to bet that User Management and Disk & Filesystems is bad as well | 05:22 |
| ZeroCool | ?? | 05:22 |
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| nixternal | in system settings, check user management and see if you get that same error | 05:22 |
| ZeroCool | user managment YES, bad | 05:23 |
| nixternal | same with advanced Disk & Filesystems | 05:23 |
| ZeroCool | DISK & Filesystem too, YES BAD | 05:23 |
| nixternal | and there is another one that is bad as well in the advanced section, however i can't remember what it is | 05:23 |
| ZeroCool | okay, what up | 05:23 |
| ZeroCool | as they say | 05:23 |
| nixternal | hehe | 05:24 |
| ZeroCool | someone fell asleep in the last distro | 05:24 |
| nixternal | recent updates fixed this for me | 05:24 |
| ZeroCool | did all mine.. nope | 05:24 |
| nixternal | i think it was due to a muckup in a apt-get upgrade | 05:24 |
| ZeroCool | aptitude update | 05:24 |
| ZeroCool | every hour | 05:25 |
| nixternal | ya, well that will keep her up to date for sure | 05:25 |
| sebas | ZeroCool: I'm ignorant. It's a packaging issue. | 05:25 |
| nixternal | im checking my logs to try and see when mine was fixed | 05:25 |
| nixternal | lol sebas, you are far from ignorant | 05:25 |
| ZeroCool | k, | 05:25 |
| sebas | Are you running some strange thing, amd64, ppc or something? | 05:25 |
| sebas | nixternal: If you say so :) | 05:25 |
| nixternal | hehe | 05:26 |
| ZeroCool | nope, drop that 64bit stuff, running straight i386 | 05:26 |
| nixternal | well, someone else had the same issue with ppc when i had it with i386 | 05:26 |
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| ZeroCool | there where more issues with 64bit | 05:26 |
| sebas | Alogobie | 05:26 |
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| ZeroCool | so, how come nixternal system is working and ours are not? | 05:27 |
| rideout | ZeroCool: i had similar issues and the problem for me was python, i reinstalled all my python-* stuff and it worked | 05:27 |
| ZeroCool | pyton ? you mean reload python itself | 05:27 |
| nixternal | ya, it was python related...a python-central error i believe | 05:27 |
| ZeroCool | okay, give me the command line snytax to re-install all the python stuff | 05:28 |
| rideout | i had to manually delete /usr/share/python-support/ and reinstall for it all to work | 05:28 |
| ZeroCool | and then | 05:29 |
| ZeroCool | wouldn't this break other packages, that have python libs | 05:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I removed patch 040-configure-give-kde_java_libgcjdir.diff | 05:30 |
| rideout | ZeroCool: it did in my case for some python programs, like meld, but not others | 05:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that helped passing the configure correctly.... | 05:30 |
| Tonio_ | the build is going on, let's see what happens | 05:30 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: cross fingers | 05:30 |
| ZeroCool | man, I not looking to do a hack, or hack / patch to the system | 05:31 |
| nixternal | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/62223 | 05:31 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 62223 in kde-guidance "Monitor & Display, User Management, Disk & Filesystems - All Broken" [Undecided,Fix released] | 05:31 |
| nixternal | there is that bugger | 05:31 |
| dinosaur-rus | hmmm, can anyone help me with my problem? | 05:32 |
| rideout | dinosaur-rus: what is your problem? | 05:32 |
| ZeroCool | they have not fix it... | 05:32 |
| dinosaur-rus | rideout: I have problems with compiling 32-bit apps that use X Window system (Wine, particularly) - linker looks in /usr/lib with 64-bit libraries | 05:33 |
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| rideout | ZeroCool: do you have python 2.3,2.4 or 2.5 installed, you should at lease have 2.4... | 05:33 |
| rideout | dinosaur-rus: i don't know how to work with 32/64 bit stuff, good luck! | 05:35 |
| ZeroCool | what is that pyton -v ( for version ) | 05:35 |
| ZeroCool | pyhon | 05:35 |
| ZeroCool | python | 05:35 |
| ZeroCool | one more time... is it python -v | 05:35 |
| dinosaur-rus | rideout: it's the linker problem... :P | 05:36 |
| ZeroCool | got python 2.4.4 installed | 05:36 |
| rideout | ZeroCool: what do you get for ls /usr/bin/python* | 05:37 |
| ZeroCool | hmm, don't know if I did this right, but no file or directory | 05:41 |
| ZeroCool | I get this: /usr/bin/python ( back ) | 05:42 |
| rideout | run "ls /usr/bin/python*" | 05:43 |
| rideout | without the qoutes | 05:43 |
| ZeroCool | k | 05:45 |
| ZeroCool | got this /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/python2.4 | 05:46 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: still building :) cross fingers with me !! | 05:49 |
| Tonio_ | I really wonder why we ship kaudiocreator and kscd... they duplicate amarok, kaffeine K3B | 05:51 |
| Riddell | what's duplicated? | 05:52 |
| Tonio_ | and kaudiocreator is really slow (40 min to rip a cd while k3B takes 4 minutes) and has no gui tools to configure encoding settings.... | 05:52 |
| Tonio_ | kaudiocreator -> ripping a cd can be done with konqueror, k3b, kaffeine | 05:52 |
| Tonio_ | and honnestly, kaudiocretor is nasty to configure, and amazingly slow... | 05:52 |
| Tonio_ | and kscd duplicated amarok who can read audiocds very easilly too | 05:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://www.google.fr/search?q=kaudiocreator+slow&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 and speed issues in kaudiocreator are whidely known... | 05:53 |
| ZeroCool | rideout: you got it python 2.4 | 05:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: build successfull :) | 05:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hehe | 05:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: can I ping mdz or kamion directly or does it need uvf er ? | 05:54 |
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| mhb | Riddell: any progress with the bugs I keep bugging about? :o) | 06:00 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: according to mdz it is too late to upgrade to 355 | 06:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm fixing 354 package since the fix is the same | 06:05 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: does that mean Edgy will be released with KDE 3.5.4 only? | 06:06 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: no that concerns kdebindings | 06:07 |
| Jucato | ah ok. :) | 06:07 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: I agree - we should have kubuntu-simplify-multimedia spec for edgy+1 | 06:12 |
| Lure | Tonio_: we should look complete picture (from media players, rippers, browser plugins...) | 06:13 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yeah, 2 ripping solutions are enought | 06:13 |
| Tonio_ | konqueror is very easy and a bit slow, and k3b is more complicated but powerfull and performant | 06:14 |
| Tonio_ | that's enough in my opinion | 06:14 |
| Tonio_ | if I could I would even patch kaffeine to remove the ripping options | 06:14 |
| ZeroCool | fabo: got the url link: can't post replies as of yet, how does one install this.. | 06:15 |
| Lure | Tonio_: yep, duplication is an issue in FOSS ;-) | 06:15 |
| Lure | Tonio_: but we have at least a choice ;-) | 06:15 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: hehe, yes :) | 06:15 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: you are there in uds no ? we can discuss this then | 06:15 |
| Lure | Tonio_: yep, I am there | 06:15 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: okay let's book this then ! | 06:16 |
| fabo | ZeroCool: i'm testing it right now on my edgy | 06:16 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: and also we need to free space on the cd because that'll handicap further development | 06:17 |
| ZeroCool | k, how does one install it... | 06:17 |
| Tonio_ | that's something we have to discuss too, and removing duplication is one of the solutions | 06:17 |
| Lure | Tonio_: true, but kscd and kaudiocreator does not bring us much (I already checked last time when we discussed digikamplugins) | 06:17 |
| fabo | ZeroCool: dpkg -i kde-guidance_0.7.0-1ubuntu1_i386.deb | 06:18 |
| fabo | ZeroCool: wait, i test it before you screw up your system :) | 06:18 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: well for example we don't ship imagemagik which is required for certain kipi-plugins options | 06:20 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: kaudiocreator + kscd size is the same than imagemagik :) | 06:20 |
| Tonio_ | that's what I would do for example | 06:20 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: seya | 06:20 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I'll probably write a spec concerning multimedia simplication | 06:21 |
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| fabo | ZeroCool: seems okk for me | 06:26 |
| fabo | ZeroCool: you can try to install :) | 06:27 |
| Tonio_ | fabo: just saw your transcode package, we need that in universe ! | 06:28 |
| Tonio_ | fabo: can you ping us to revu it at the very begining of edgy+1 dev cycle ? | 06:28 |
| fabo | Tonio_: sure | 06:28 |
| Tonio_ | fabo: just concerning the build options, will that go in multiverse or not ? | 06:29 |
| fabo | fabo: universe | 06:29 |
| Tonio_ | I think you built it with the maximum formats enabled didn't you ? | 06:29 |
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| Tonio_ | fabo: ah ? it only recommends mencoder and other binaries then ? | 06:29 |
| Tonio_ | I don't remember the complete packaging | 06:30 |
| fabo | yes, i used all package available | 06:30 |
| Tonio_ | fabo: then it you have deps on multiverse components, it'll go in multiverse | 06:30 |
| fabo | i've doen a readme with format supported | 06:30 |
| fabo | done | 06:30 |
| Tonio_ | fabo: well we'll make a point when we can upload it ;) but I really would like to have that in the repos | 06:31 |
| fabo | Tonio_: i'm packaging also another alternative -> soundkonverter | 06:32 |
| fabo | ZeroCool: i'm leaving in approximatively 5 minutes) could you confirm bug resolution plz :) | 06:33 |
| Tonio_ | fabo: I have already done a package for this no ? | 06:33 |
| Tonio_ | maybe it is not up to date now we're in freeze, but you should use my package as a base | 06:34 |
| Tonio_ | it is in multiverse | 06:34 |
| fabo | Tonio_: already done :) it is based on yours, then sync'ed with mine :p | 06:34 |
| Tonio_ | fabo: you are the man :) | 06:34 |
| Tonio_ | fabo: I just noticed I was included in kde-extra debian team during introduction in akademy ;) | 06:35 |
| Tonio_ | that surprised me since I never uploaded anything to debian (although I regularly contact debian maintainers to get my changes in) | 06:35 |
| fabo | Tonio_: ah i wasn't aware, i was really busy since akademy | 06:36 |
| Tonio_ | fabo: hehe, that just surprized me to see my name on the pdf document... | 06:37 |
| Tonio_ | maybe I was in because lots of my changes have been added to debian packages I don't know... | 06:37 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I'll subscribe to alioth toonight, for info (finally) | 06:37 |
| fabo | you've got a link to the pdf, i didn't read it yet | 06:37 |
| Tonio_ | fabo: let me find it | 06:38 |
| Tonio_ | fabo: http://conference2006.kde.org/conference/slides/debian_kde_extras_aKademy2006.pdf | 06:39 |
| allee | Tonio_: we'll see ;) | 06:39 |
| bobesponja | does anyone know why I get little square instead of quotes ' ? | 06:40 |
| bobesponja | like this http://p80.free.fr/konqy.png | 06:40 |
| bobesponja | I'm on 3.5.5 with edgy | 06:40 |
| Tonio_ | allee: when I promiss something I do it :) I never promissed till now | 06:40 |
| Riddell | abattoir: just did a complete oem install, works beautifully | 06:41 |
| allee | Tonio_: :) | 06:41 |
| Tonio_ | allee: well it looks like I'm already considered as part of the kde-extra team somehow (don't ask me why but that's it) so I need an account now ;) | 06:41 |
| abattoir | Riddell: great :) | 06:41 |
| DaSkreech | How does Debian Firefox/Thunderbird affect Ubuntu? | 06:41 |
| Jucato | lol! didn't know abattoir was not "away" :) | 06:42 |
| Tonio_ | allee: look at the pdf, "Team" section.... I don't understand that, but that's it ;) | 06:42 |
| allee | Tonio_: are you this 'forgotten his name' in the mail about basket ;) | 06:42 |
| abattoir | Jucato: away from IRC for a few days ;) | 06:42 |
| allee | Tonio_: PDF? | 06:42 |
| Jucato | heh :) | 06:42 |
| allee | Tonio_: ah the url above | 06:43 |
| Tonio_ | allee: yes | 06:43 |
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| fabo | ZeroCool: i must go | 06:50 |
| fabo | if someone want to test : http://fboudra.free.fr/ubuntu/kde-guidance_0.7.0-1ubuntu1/ | 06:50 |
| fabo | Tonio_: thks for the link :) | 06:50 |
| fabo | see you later | 06:51 |
| Tonio_ | fabo: seya | 06:51 |
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| Riddell | mhb: the strings issue looks like a general problem with the .desktop translations, I have half a fix for it but I need to work on it some more | 07:02 |
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| Riddell | mhb: still to look at hwdb translations, although maybe we could ask mvo to look at it since he did that before | 07:02 |
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| ZeroCool | fabo: ask how does one install it via apt-get ? | 07:12 |
| ZeroCool | is it tested | 07:13 |
| ZeroCool | ran out | 07:13 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I uploaded a fixed kdebindings 3.5.4 | 07:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: upgrade should now work for 3.5.5 if you reuse that package | 07:24 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: did mdz look at the debdiff first? | 07:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, he was okay, but he told me is was too late for upstream update | 07:25 |
| Tonio_ | so I fixed 3.5.4 package | 07:25 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: just removed the same patch from 3.5.4? | 07:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes | 07:26 |
| Tonio_ | that was the fix | 07:26 |
| Riddell | thanks Tonio_ | 07:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: you're welcome :) | 07:27 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll probably write 3 specs for the UDS | 07:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kubuntu-multimedia-simplification, kubuntu-samba-integration and kubuntu-voip-solution | 07:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: are you okay for those subjects to be discussed ? | 07:34 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: sure | 07:34 |
| Tonio_ | great | 07:34 |
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| Tm_T | Hmm, when next LTS release is coming? | 08:03 |
| Riddell | we don't know yet | 08:04 |
| Tm_T | I see | 08:04 |
| DaSkreech | I would guess infour cycles? | 08:04 |
| Riddell | there's no set time for it | 08:05 |
| Riddell | http://yamefa.linux.free.fr/ another kubuntu derived distro | 08:05 |
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| abattoir | shiny :P | 08:09 |
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| claydoh | what no Konversation in yamefa??? | 08:17 |
| claydoh | I am shocked and stunned! | 08:17 |
| claydoh | buy it is shiny:) | 08:18 |
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| DaSkreech | claydoh: I think the expression is shocked and in awe | 08:23 |
| claydoh | awe? | 08:24 |
| claydoh | as in awe, shucks do I have to use Xchat? | 08:24 |
| sebas | irssi! | 08:25 |
| claydoh | so we can have yamefa, sebasOS and of course claydOS | 08:26 |
| mhb | anyone considered inclusion of kdict in the edgy+1? | 08:26 |
| DaSkreech | 3.5.5. shipping with Edgy? | 08:26 |
| sebas | DaSkreech: The other way round, KDE doesn't ship linux :> | 08:26 |
| Riddell | kopete would be the alternative they leave in] | 08:26 |
| mhb | I know, little place and all ... but Ubuntu already contains a DICT client | 08:27 |
| DaSkreech | Sebas it ships with it :) | 08:27 |
| sebas | DaSkreech: Nope, Edgy ships with KDE, not KDE with Edgy :P | 08:28 |
| DaSkreech | Yes but KDE ships with Linux :) | 08:29 |
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| sebas | No, it doesn't (pointless word fucking) | 08:29 |
| sebas | Distros ship Linux with KDE. | 08:30 |
| DaSkreech | Until KDE4 which should in theory work on Windows | 08:30 |
| sebas | What about BSD then? | 08:30 |
| sebas | Solaris? | 08:30 |
| DaSkreech | >_< | 08:30 |
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| DaSkreech | Edgy shipping with 3.5.5? | 08:30 |
| sebas | Yes | 08:31 |
| DaSkreech | Good :0 | 08:31 |
| DaSkreech | :-) | 08:31 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: how many kubuntu derivatives are actually known ? | 08:58 |
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| Tonio_ | I'm always wondering why so many distros do exist.... foss would be better if more people would concentrate on a less number of projects | 08:59 |
| Tonio_ | s/less/few | 08:59 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDerivedDistros | 09:01 |
| toma | Tonio_: did you sign up for debian kde-extra's ? | 09:01 |
| Riddell | up to 10 | 09:01 |
| Tonio_ | toma: I will today, I promissed :) | 09:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: totally crazy....... | 09:01 |
| Tonio_ | can you imagin the power of kubuntu if all those guys where helping us directly instead of duplicate again and again ? ;) | 09:02 |
| jdong | aww... there goes jdongbuntu.... :( | 09:02 |
| Riddell | well some of them are, e.g. ichthux | 09:03 |
| Tonio_ | although certain projects like ulteo are providing something new | 09:03 |
| Riddell | and some of them can't e.g. mepis which is based on not caring about copyright | 09:03 |
| jdong | lol, nice summary of Mepis :) | 09:04 |
| ZeroCool | I notice in Kubuntu there are allot of reduntant apps, are some going to be filter out? | 09:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yeah I agree, but I wonder what's the purpose of Yamefa for example.... if it is just a set of graphical elements and changing 3 programs by default, that doesn't require a new complete distro to be maintained.... well that's my opinion | 09:04 |
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| Riddell | you're right there | 09:05 |
| Tonio_ | ZeroCool: yes I just discussed about that this afternoon | 09:05 |
| jdong | Tonio_: how would you suggest customizations off k/ubuntu to be done then? | 09:05 |
| Riddell | ZeroCool: like what? | 09:05 |
| Tonio_ | ZeroCool: talking about the multimedia part or anything else ? | 09:05 |
| ZeroCool | k | 09:05 |
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| Tonio_ | jdong: a kde theme packaged | 09:05 |
| ZeroCool | like konversation & KSirc | 09:06 |
| Tonio_ | and if you want distros that already mix gnome and kde, you have the choice with fedora, mandriva, suse etc...... | 09:06 |
| Riddell | ksirc isn't in kubuntu by default | 09:06 |
| Tonio_ | ZeroCool: ksirc isn't installed by default | 09:06 |
| jdong | Tonio_: if I were to, say, make a jdongbuntu-desktop metapackage and a Kjdongbuntu metapackage, would there be any chance of acceptance? ;-) | 09:06 |
| ZeroCool | understand by default, however, its in the mix | 09:06 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: why not, but I wouldn't see the point in doing that... | 09:07 |
| ZeroCool | same with media players.... | 09:07 |
| ZeroCool | which one, hmmm | 09:07 |
| Riddell | ZeroCool: no, ksirc is in universe | 09:07 |
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| Tonio_ | jdong: I prefer to push kubuntu-desktop to what I think is the best instead of forking with a tonio_desktop :) | 09:07 |
| jdong | Tonio_: on a typical fresh install, the first 30 minutes of my customization process is basically enabling universe/multiverse and installing packages :) | 09:07 |
| Riddell | ZeroCool: what about media players? | 09:07 |
| Tonio_ | ZeroCool: yes, we have 2 media players | 09:07 |
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| Tonio_ | kaffeine and kmplayer, and we target to have one only, but that'll have to wait for oskar (kmplayer replacement) | 09:08 |
| jdong | Tonio_: and a lot of the stuff I pull in are multiverse / universe, and thus not suitable for the average kubuntu-desktop | 09:08 |
| ZeroCool | use, the following: (test them: kaffeine, mplayer, kmplayer, Noatun...) | 09:08 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: yes I know, but well, we are not going to have one distro per software combinason by the end ! | 09:08 |
| Tonio_ | ZeroCool: noatun is not by default, mplayer too | 09:09 |
| jdong | Tonio_: right, I agree, but what is a distro and what is a customization of ubuntu? ;) | 09:09 |
| ZeroCool | understood, however, it would applear mplayer does more.. | 09:09 |
| Tonio_ | ZeroCool: if you talk about duplication, please talk about the softwares provided by kubuntu-desktop ;) | 09:09 |
| jdong | Tonio_: if I respun some DVD's with Java and codecs, I'd personally still call it Ubuntu/Kubuntu | 09:09 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: kubuntu is a distro, Yamefa is a customisation of ubuntu ;) | 09:09 |
| jdong | I wouldnt' consider it a new distro | 09:09 |
| Tonio_ | the different is really easy to figure out | 09:10 |
| ZeroCool | it trying out apps, to see what really works, AND what really does not... | 09:10 |
| ZeroCool | So, hence... the different media players.. | 09:10 |
| ZeroCool | I really like moc for playing mp3, flac...etc | 09:10 |
| ZeroCool | its a command line app | 09:11 |
| claydoh | I like the *-desktop idea, I could spin my own desktop setup and such, then in a reposomewhere just have a claydOS-desktop metapackage | 09:21 |
| claydoh | custom K-D -s wallpapers, etc | 09:21 |
| claydoh | why would I want to have to work involved in supporting a whole distro | 09:22 |
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| jdong | claydoh: respinning a CD is not the work of supporting a whole distro... | 09:29 |
| claydoh | but if you set up a whole site, forums wiki, etc it can be | 09:29 |
| jdong | claydoh: now if you built a full clone of archive.ubuntu.com, then fine, you've made your own distro... | 09:29 |
| jdong | claydoh: well, bombing current support channels / resources with questions specific to your customization isn't all that nice either ;-) | 09:30 |
| claydoh | but not if its just colors, graphics, etc | 09:31 |
| jdong | and any customizations beyond trivial colors/graphics/default package changes can easily generate bugs | 09:31 |
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| steveire_ | hey. I want to make a new applet for the system tray. Where do I start> | 09:54 |
| Sime | Riddell: ping | 09:54 |
| Riddell | hi Sime | 09:54 |
| Tonio_ | hey Sime ;) | 09:55 |
| Sime | Riddell: what is this story about libhal and 3.5.5? | 09:55 |
| Riddell | steveire_: #kde-devel | 09:55 |
| Sime | Riddell: is there some weirdness going on? | 09:55 |
| ryanakca | how do I uninstall kde 4? or can I just leave it and not worry about any problems? | 09:55 |
| steveire_ | cheers | 09:55 |
| Riddell | Sime: not that I know of | 09:55 |
| Sime | http://tsdgeos.blogspot.com/2006/10/solution-for-kubuntu-355-and-usb-not.html | 09:56 |
| Sime | Riddell: I'm just wondering. | 09:56 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: have you had a chance to look at licence plates yet? (just in case one of the 6 isn't "perfect"), anything I can add, remove, change? | 09:57 |
| Riddell | Sime: oh, that's dapper | 09:57 |
| Riddell | I need to add the newer dbus to the repo | 09:58 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: URL? | 09:58 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/kubuntu/ (8-14).png | 09:58 |
| Sime | Riddell: and edgy has been using the newer version of hal for a while now, I assume? | 09:59 |
| Riddell | Sime: yes | 09:59 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: I think 5 is as good as any | 10:01 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: sure? kk | 10:01 |
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| Sime | Tonio_: I'm seeing strange "konq not refreshing" issues now. | 10:08 |
| Sime | Riddell: you might be interested in this. | 10:08 |
| Sime | I've got a few partitions here, and if I park konq in /media/backup1 then I can see the contents (GOOD, NORMAL) | 10:09 |
| Sime | now from the console I sudo umount that partition. Konq now shows an empty dir (GOOD). | 10:09 |
| Sime | I mount that partition. Konq does not automatically refresh to show the contents... (BAD) | 10:10 |
| Tonio_ | Sime: fantastic, you finally finished patching for audiocd then ? | 10:10 |
| Sime | Tonio_: I've patched up the audiocd stuff, then I noticed this problem. | 10:11 |
| Tonio_ | Sime: yes I tested here, and it works nicelly for umount but not for mount | 10:11 |
| Sime | yeah, that is what I'm seeing. | 10:11 |
| Tonio_ | Sime: but refreshing works for folders for example, no issues there | 10:11 |
| Sime | it has nothing to do with media, just with mounting and konq | 10:11 |
| Tonio_ | that's why me yesterday tests touching a file a on desktop worked | 10:11 |
| Tonio_ | Sime: I know ;) | 10:11 |
| Tonio_ | Sime: as I said this morning, you rock :) | 10:12 |
| Sime | thanks, but we have still go a problem here... | 10:12 |
| Sime | anyone know which subsystem KDE uses for dir notification? | 10:12 |
| Tonio_ | Sime: better ask #kde-devel probably no ? | 10:13 |
| Tonio_ | allee: tonio-guest already exists on alioth......... :( | 10:14 |
| Riddell | Sime: it should use inotify | 10:14 |
| Tonio_ | why is my nick that simple ? | 10:14 |
| Riddell | in dapper we built against gamin but not any more | 10:14 |
| fdoving | guys, bug 62223 is still not fixed for me on my ppc box. | 10:14 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 62223 in kde-guidance "Monitor & Display, User Management, Disk & Filesystems - All Broken" [Undecided,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/62223 | 10:14 |
| fdoving | current edgy. | 10:14 |
| Sime | fdoving: what do you see when you run "displayconfig" from the shell? | 10:16 |
| fdoving | then it works. | 10:17 |
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| fdoving | 'kcmshell displayconfig' returns this: | 10:18 |
| fdoving | http://rafb.net/paste/results/SkDvk027.html | 10:18 |
| fdoving | and it doesn't work. | 10:19 |
| fdoving | i get the 'Couldn't load module..'-page.. | 10:19 |
| orkid__ | koffice 1.6 not in edgy yet? | 10:20 |
| fabo | Sime: after this issue http://rafb.net/paste/results/No6dYF76.html ;) | 10:20 |
| Sime | fdoving: just run "displayconfig", no kcmshell. | 10:21 |
| fdoving | Sime: 'displayconfig' works. | 10:21 |
| Sime | Riddell: it looks like inotify is borken. | 10:21 |
| fdoving | no errors, and the correct window appears. | 10:22 |
| Sime | Riddell: install package python-pyinotify, it has a good little test, diagnostic prog. | 10:22 |
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| jjesse | /msg nickserv identify jes478SE | 10:24 |
| fabo | oups | 10:24 |
| ryanakca | jjesse: ouch... might want to change your password(s) now... | 10:25 |
| jjesse | doh | 10:25 |
| jjesse | bummer | 10:25 |
| Sime | fdoving: it looks like the python interpreter is not starting up from kcmshell. (It is called from out of C++ code) | 10:25 |
| jjesse | it usually does it automatically :( | 10:25 |
| ryanakca | jjesse: why don't you just stick it into the konversation startup settings? | 10:25 |
| ryanakca | ah | 10:25 |
| fdoving | Sime: anything i can do to find out why? | 10:25 |
| ryanakca | hehehe... your nickserv password is much more complicated than mine :) | 10:26 |
| jjesse | ah but its one i've memorized :) | 10:26 |
| jjesse | but i just changed it | 10:26 |
| ryanakca | lol | 10:26 |
| Sime | fdoving: run "ldd /usr/lib/kde3/kcm_displayconfig.so.0.0.0" and put the output somewhere. | 10:27 |
| Sime | where I can see it. | 10:27 |
| ryanakca | to all you evil minded people *cough* pointy stick wielders *cough* : jjesse has outsmarted you by changing his password :) | 10:27 |
| fabo | oh nice, i never notice "/" shortcut in konqueror before ... | 10:27 |
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| ryanakca | fabo: what does it do? it shows me 'home' and 'media' | 10:28 |
| fabo | it's a text search command like firefox | 10:29 |
| fdoving | Sime: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/ldd_kcm_displayconfig.out | 10:29 |
| ryanakca | ah | 10:29 |
| fabo | it is in edit menu also | 10:29 |
| Sime | fdoving: what arch are you on? | 10:31 |
| fabo | ppc | 10:31 |
| fdoving | Sime: ppc. | 10:31 |
| Sime | 64? | 10:32 |
| fdoving | no. | 10:32 |
| fdoving | it's an iBook G4 | 10:32 |
| fdoving | however.. it doesn't work on my i386 box either. | 10:33 |
| fdoving | also up2date edgy. | 10:33 |
| fdoving | looks like the x86 box only got issues with the 'display & monitor' module.. | 10:34 |
| fabo | fdoving: i have done a package for i386 : http://fboudra.free.fr/debian/kde-guidance_0.7.0-1/ | 10:34 |
| fabo | tested on my edgy, it works | 10:34 |
| fdoving | nevermind the x86 issue.. it's just because i run in NX-mode. | 10:35 |
| fdoving | monitor & display shouldn't work there. | 10:35 |
| Sime | fdoving: displayconfig will fail on NX. | 10:36 |
| fdoving | i found out. | 10:36 |
| fdoving | so, i only have the issue on powerpc. | 10:36 |
| fabo | fdoving: i suggest that because another guy (nick zeroconf) have an issue on x86 | 10:36 |
| fdoving | fabo: what's different in your kde-guidance package? | 10:37 |
| fabo | fdoving: nothing interesting, i used sime source archive and rebuild against up2date edgy | 10:39 |
| fabo | Sime: and source archive provide some typos error in setup.py ... | 10:39 |
| fabo | fdoving: i changed a bit the rules file but it is for powermanager | 10:41 |
| allee | Tonio_: sit down, relax and think about a more unique nick ;) | 10:44 |
| Tonio_ | allee: already done hehe :) | 10:47 |
| allee | Tonio_: heh, heh | 10:47 |
| allee | Tonio_: tell fabo your new nick. He modify the commit access file. | 10:48 |
| allee | fabo: can you login to svn.debian.org and svn up too? | 10:49 |
| fabo | allee: yes | 10:49 |
| allee | ^^ as Thu<imposible to remember> explained | 10:49 |
| fabo | sure i know what to do :) | 10:50 |
| allee | fabo: sorry ;) | 10:50 |
| fabo | no no, it isaac fault ;) | 10:50 |
| fabo | last i remember there's 2 thing to do so i asked isaac: no just update commit file ... | 10:51 |
| fabo | +time | 10:51 |
| Tonio_ | fabo: tonio-ubuntu-guest | 10:56 |
| Tonio_ | not very original I know, but that's all I've been able to find :) | 10:56 |
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| fabo | Tonio_: done :p | 11:03 |
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| allee | Tonio_: welcome | 11:07 |
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| allee | fabo: did you had time to look into where kubuntu stuff should be to be picked up by build.net? | 11:08 |
| fabo | allee: no, i was busy last week so i didn't find time to update the wiki page and the build.net stuff :( | 11:09 |
| allee | fabo: np | 11:09 |
| allee | fabo: same problem here :( | 11:10 |
| Tonio_ | fabo, allee: my account isn't confirmed yet, as I didn't receive the validation email | 11:12 |
| fabo | Tonio_: i don't remember how many time you must wait before alioth account is enabled and synced over servers | 11:14 |
| fabo | Tonio_: you can ask lo-lan-do (alioth admin) for more informations | 11:15 |
| allee | Tonio_: please consider: kscd is also usable by your grandma. amarok is not without help of the grantchild ;) | 11:16 |
| fabo | ah sorry he isn't connected ... | 11:16 |
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| Tonio_ | allee: heh, indeed but well... | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | allee: amarok for an audio cd is very simple too | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | allee: btw that's just a global idea, I don't say that we have to remove kscd :) | 11:20 |
| toma | do people use kubuntu on openbsd? or is that a weird question? | 11:24 |
| allee | Tonio_: yeap. It's hard to find a balance between kscd/codeine and kaffeine/amarok target groups ;) | 11:24 |
| allee | toma: eh? you mean the openbsd kernel in a kubuntu env? Weired. No, I don't | 11:24 |
| Tonio_ | allee: true, the firsts are noobs softwares and the others 2 are geek softwares | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | allee: but in my opinion, if my grandmother can use windows media player, she can use amarok | 11:25 |
| toma | allee: hmm, hmm | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | allee: it is more a matter of "do we want users that don't want to learn or not" | 11:25 |
| allee | toma: afaik there only a freebsd port to debian but *ubuntu does not care about this flavour | 11:26 |
| Tonio_ | allee: honnestly, I wouldn't suggest kubuntu for someone who absolutly doesn't want to learn anything and have something as simple as possible | 11:26 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I would suggest ubuntu/gnome | 11:26 |
| allee | Tonio_: It's much about first time experience | 11:26 |
| toma | allee: ok, fine, edgy is unaffected then | 11:26 |
| Tonio_ | allee: bah, most people using windows are used to complex multimedia apps (realone player, windows media player, winamp etc....) | 11:27 |
| Tonio_ | allee: most of those are 10 times more complicated than amarok | 11:27 |
| Tonio_ | allee: and btw if we only have *one* audio application, it can be documented widely, that's the point too | 11:27 |
| allee | Tonio_: seriously, my kids and wife, failed to use amarok and kaffeine -> linux is shit. With kscd and codeine they are pleased and very happy. | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | allee: yeah I understand that, but that's a matter of default orientation, as long as they can install apps they want.... | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | allee: osx is supposed to be simple, and has itunes by default for everything related to audio | 11:29 |
| fdoving | i must say i can't stand amarok and kaffeine myself. | 11:29 |
| fdoving | waaaay to much stuff. | 11:30 |
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| fdoving | i just need a music player with a playlist, and a videoplayer that plays whatever i click in konqueror. | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | allee: if we have an "play the audio cd in amarok" when inserting a cd, that makes it simple | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: what if you don't go in kaffeine menus ? it just plays what you are clicking on in konquror | 11:31 |
| Tonio_ | most of the time that's the way I use it | 11:31 |
| allee | Tonio_: if amarok can be tweaked to make it very obvious how to play the inserted CD. That's it ;) | 11:32 |
| Tonio_ | allee: did you play with amarok on edgy ? | 11:32 |
| Tonio_ | allee: lots of useless options have been removed, it is really easier to use now | 11:32 |
| Tonio_ | allee: well what I'm thinking about is you insert a cd, choose "play with amarok" and it launches automatically | 11:33 |
| Tonio_ | this is really feasible | 11:33 |
| fdoving | Tonio_: might be usable, i haven't used it in a while. codeine is so nice. | 11:34 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: yes, but limited to xine... | 11:34 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: doesn't handle subtitles etc..... | 11:34 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: it is nice for very limited usage, I agree | 11:34 |
| fdoving | Tonio_: my codeine handles subtitles. | 11:35 |
| Tonio_ | I think most people (even non geeks) have learned how to use complicated softwares now | 11:35 |
| Tonio_ | consider the incredible success of picassa for example | 11:35 |
| Tonio_ | very complex, and even my mother loves it | 11:35 |
| fdoving | sure, but having simple apps that just does what it should and works is always a good idea. | 11:35 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: what about a divx with external .str file ? doesn't work | 11:36 |
| allee | Tonio_: heh, only kscd and kaffeine are offered on my edgy system on 'insert audio cd' | 11:36 |
| fdoving | i have never seen such a thing. | 11:36 |
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| Tonio_ | allee: yes, that has to be done or amarok, but that's feasible, as long as we can call amarok with a dcop call to launch the cd reading or soemthing like that | 11:37 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: bah you play legal files, that's why ;) | 11:37 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: I have a lot of avi files with subtitles, since I generally prefer to watch with original language | 11:37 |
| fdoving | Tonio_: kaffeine is da h4x0rz player then :) | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: yes :) | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | but honnestly, kaffeine isn't that complicated....... that because you go in the config menus etc.... | 11:39 |
| fabo | kaffeine isn't only a media player compared to other player | 11:39 |
| fdoving | no, it's way better now, than a few months back. | 11:39 |
| Tonio_ | my girlfriend for example uses it very basically, she never plays with options, and doesn't find it complicated | 11:39 |
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| fabo | she never used DVB support ;) | 11:40 |
| Tonio_ | fabo: nope :) | 11:41 |
| Tonio_ | fabo: is that complicated to use ? | 11:41 |
| Tonio_ | I though kaffeine had a superb dvb support | 11:41 |
| fabo | one of the best | 11:41 |
| fabo | upstream is focused on the DVB support more than media player capabilities | 11:42 |
| Tonio_ | allee: but I agree, simplifying the multimedia part on kubuntu is hard to figure out and needs debatting, that's why I only gave example on the wiki page | 11:44 |
| Tonio_ | https://launchpad.net/bugs/66620 | 11:47 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 66620 in kaffeine "Kaffeine DVB stopped working in latest edgy " [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 11:47 |
| Tonio_ | pfffffff those bugs really make me shit.... | 11:47 |
| Tonio_ | "I'm using XGL + Compiz and I cry because I have an issue with kaffeine" | 11:47 |
| Tonio_ | then don't use alpha state software like xgl......... | 11:47 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: i need a bip server, mine went up in a blaze of glory | 11:48 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, let me wakeup; a bit and i'll set you one up | 11:50 |
| nixternal | im just messin' | 11:50 |
| nixternal | mine died during our little comed explosion here in chicago | 11:50 |
| nixternal | surge protectors don't work as they are supposed to | 11:50 |
| imbrandon | heh brb shower | 11:50 |
| nixternal | about time ;) | 11:51 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, sarah ( the mexi ) kept me up late, i'm just now wakin up | 11:51 |
| nixternal | gahahhaa | 11:51 |
| nixternal | omgbum | 11:51 |
| imbrandon | heh | 11:51 |
| allee | Tonio_: yes, finding a solution for noops and geeks is far from easy. But it's not only releated to multimedia. kedit/kword, kview/krita, gwenview/digikam etc | 11:53 |
| Tonio_ | kview/krita ? | 11:53 |
| Tonio_ | whay is kview ? | 11:54 |
| Tonio_ | never seen this | 11:54 |
| allee | Tonio_: kview was a simple show this picture viewer. | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | bah, to be compared to gwenview then, not krita :) | 11:56 |
| Riddell | kpaint/krita | 11:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, or kolourpaint | 11:56 |
| Tonio_ | maybe it is the same ? :) | 11:56 |
| allee | Tonio_, Riddell: more good examples ;) | 11:57 |
| allee | Maybe a 'Open with' in the apps or a common sub description like 'simple, easy' versus expert, power' or what used common | 11:58 |
| allee | categorie of apps can help here | 11:58 |
| Tonio_ | allee: better having 2 desktops files then :) | 11:58 |
| Tonio_ | kubuntu-desktop-expert and kubuntu-desktop-easy : | 11:58 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 11:58 |
| allee | Tonio_: lol | 11:58 |
| Tonio_ | allee: in my opinion, when I see the softwares that are used on windows by noobs, I don't think kaffeine or amarok could be an issue | 11:59 |
| Tonio_ | krita is different, since it is very strange to use, very special (and complicated) | 11:59 |
| Tonio_ | honnestly, if my syster can use itunes/ipod, she can use amarok :) | 12:00 |
| Riddell | I have trouble with amarok | 12:01 |
| allee | Tonio_: it's just a matter how long it takes | 12:01 |
| imbrandon | yea amarok is trickey if you do some of the advanced features | 12:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: you mean ? | 12:02 |
| imbrandon | like DAAP etc | 12:02 |
| Tonio_ | the point is do we want a grandmothabuntu or supergeekbuntu | 12:02 |
| Tonio_ | I think a compromise is possible | 12:02 |
| allee | Tonio_: both | 12:02 |
| Riddell | we want a worksforeveryonekubuntu | 12:02 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, both, linux for humans ;) | 12:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I agree, but for the same reason than simplicity <> security, I would say than functionnalities <> simplicity | 12:03 |
| imbrandon | btw moins Riddell Tonio_ allee | 12:03 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: ;) | 12:03 |
| Tonio_ | in my opinion, we should provide accessible apps, that's true | 12:03 |
| allee | Tonio_: if amarok can be made 'easy' for noobs when an audio cd is inserted. GREAT! Get rid of kscd. If not, sadly, keep both | 12:04 |
| allee | imbrandon: :) | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | but I don't care people that "don't want to understand and learn anything in front of the computer" | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | I had to learn for my car licence, and that's the same for computers | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | I don't want to consider the 40% of windows users who don't use an antivirus in 11/2006 | 12:05 |
| imbrandon | you dident have to learn to watch tv, and computers are entertainment for some , just as a tv | 12:05 |
| Tonio_ | 40%........ I was about to die when I read this..... | 12:05 |
| allee | Tonio_: but you would complain it, it learn a car you would need an education like for an areoplane :) | 12:05 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: bah, have you used a recent tv ? they are complicated to use | 12:05 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: same for cellphones etc...... | 12:05 |
| imbrandon | heh yea i have a 62 inch rca infronty of me, many options and intutive are diffrent, it can have many many options and featuires and still be easy to use ;) | 12:06 |
| fdoving | it's not that users can't figure out how to do stuff. but they want it to be easy, fast and painless. | 12:06 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: the point is "what means simple" ??? | 12:07 |
| Tonio_ | people find windows easy | 12:07 |
| allee | Tonio_: I agree, one has to learn if one what's to get most out of the computer. But many don't care. They just want to 'play this CD/DVD' | 12:07 |
| Tonio_ | they have 400 spywares installed, 4 IE toolbars, buttons everywhere etc...... | 12:07 |
| Tonio_ | they don't understand anything of their computer, but they claim windows is easy | 12:07 |
| Tonio_ | that's just a matter of "beeing used to", nothing else | 12:07 |
| allee | Tonio_: show them codeine. My Fam never ask for windows since they first used codeine. | 12:07 |
| imbrandon | no for the most part people dont find windows easy, they find trhe taskes they do daily like play a dvd or cd easy but the OS is complicated , ask one of them to run chkdsk on next boot, or add a new user, they will shit | 12:08 |
| Tonio_ | people prefer norton antivirus to another one.... that sounds crazy because it is completly ununderstandable, but they are used too | 12:08 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, exactly its not whats easy, its what they are used to | 12:09 |
| imbrandon | we are trying to make it easy ( but not dumbed down for the expers too ) | 12:09 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I like codeine too :) don't forget I did the package with you, and I use it too, the point is just that is doesn't support gstreamer, which is an issue (and is unmaintained) | 12:09 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: easy doesn't exist in my opinion | 12:09 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, your exactly right, thus we have "jobs" to do ;) | 12:09 |
| Tonio_ | everything is a matter of beeing used to or not | 12:10 |
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| imbrandon | if it was already easy we wouldent be doing this would we ;) | 12:10 |
| Tonio_ | intuitive may exist, but not "easy" | 12:10 |
| Tonio_ | look at photoshop | 12:11 |
| imbrandon | well imho those go hand in hand, if i can figure out how to use it without reading the readme , its easy ( but a better word is intutive ) | 12:11 |
| Tonio_ | how many people, totally noobs winth windows, are using it, simply because they had too ? | 12:11 |
| imbrandon | yea it took me many years to get good at photoshop | 12:11 |
| Tonio_ | and that a monster software, incredibly complicated | 12:11 |
| Tonio_ | but now they are used too | 12:11 |
| fdoving | Tonio_: the problem is to force users to get used to the advanced (and probably best) way to do it. Monopoly is the way to go :) | 12:11 |
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