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[01:56] yes [01:56] ok cool === Lie_Ex [n=lieex@222.92.109.226] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jono [n=jono@88-107-14-218.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:58] hey all [01:58] hi jono [01:58] hey jono. [01:58] ello jono [01:59] jono! === joeCoT [n=joeCoT1@rh-redwood-cs2-140-210.njit.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === siccness [n=siccness@CPE-138-217-2-31.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:59] hows things folks? [01:59] good. === Kamion [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:59] jono: waiting for the cc meeting to start :> === elmo [n=james@83-216-156-21.jamest747.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:00] hey all [02:00] hi [02:00] Hello all. [02:00] mako: are you going to be here? I'm flat-out with the edgy RC === fouadbajwa [n=fouadbaj@202.125.143.66] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:00] hi! === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:01] jono: can u pls check if this looks OK or not? --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BangladeshiTeam/ApprovalApplication [02:01] Hi [02:02] hi fouad bhai :) [02:04] sorry phone, back now [02:04] wb [02:04] Ekushey, let me check [02:04] hey fouadbajwa [02:04] sure, thanks [02:05] Swaps, hi [02:05] Hi Ekushey and everyone else [02:05] any CC people here yet? [02:05] jono: ish. they're having trouble with quorum again [02:06] looks like everybody ready for the meeting, how far is it from exactly this moment, i mean in how many hours will the meeting start [02:06] trouble with quorum? [02:06] fouadbajwa, any second now :) [02:06] Hi delicious looksaus! :D === omera [n=krep@62.24.113.42] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:06] Ekushey, looks good, but could you flesh out your roadmap a little - provide some more detail :) === Ekushey gets ready [02:07] jono: I'm here, but as above I'd rather be excused if we can assemble quorum without me [02:07] right [02:07] jono: you could form part of quorum temporarily? [02:07] jono: ok thanks [02:07] Hobbsee: doesn't work that way ;-) [02:07] I am not on the CC though [02:08] jono: that surprises me. [02:08] I do intend to be on the CC when possible :) [02:08] I'm not able to reach mark or mako, we may have to postpone [02:08] hi smurf! long time no see === Hobbsee would do it, but it's not part of the KCC's job to deal with ubuntu memberships :P [02:09] jono: which is when? [02:09] elmo: *sigh* [02:09] Hobbsee, not sure really [02:09] Hobbsee, need to check into it [02:09] Hobbsee: depends when new people are nominated to the CC [02:09] jono: indeed. the other person who sometimes joins in when they're down on people is Seveas, but i'm not sure if he's here [02:09] true that [02:09] CC members are ratified by the membership [02:10] well I would be interesting in becoming a CC member at the next opportunity [02:10] naturally I would need support from the community for this [02:10] Hobbsee, Seveas told me he wouldn't be able to make it to this meeting [02:10] ahh okay [02:10] jono: we'll be talking about it at Mountain View; yours was one of the names I suggested to replace me, since I'm retiring [02:10] jono, you're the community manager, I think most members will support you. [02:10] jono: start lobbying *now* *grin* [02:10] Kamion: you're retiring? [02:10] Kamion, ahhh right [02:10] which is why he left a statement on my application page [02:10] Hobbsee: from the CC, yes [02:11] Kamion: ahh okay [02:11] hi [02:11] heh, maybe I should start a presidential campaign :P [02:11] jono: that could be interesting [02:11] jono: nah, too expensive [02:11] thoreauputic, not my campaign - 2.50 all in :P === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hobbsee idly wonders who else is on that list of names to replace with [02:11] hm, i would have thought that the CC and the Community Manager would be separate entities [02:11] Hey sabdfl! [02:11] hey sabdfl [02:11] president of what? Trying to topple sabdfl ? [02:11] hey sabdfl [02:11] looks like we have quorum. elmo *poke*? [02:12] jono: ah, you're the economy candidate then ;) [02:12] hey folks [02:12] thoreauputic, less of that.. :P [02:12] oh wait, isnt the CC three? gah, i cant count. [02:12] hi sabdfl [02:12] hi ... ajmitch ;) [02:12] hey bimberi :) [02:12] hi ajmitch [02:12] hi everyone === ajmitch couldn't sleep, so might as well sit through a CC meeting instead === mindspin [n=mindspin@p54B26DE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:13] hi Tonio_, sabdfl, Hobbsee [02:13] hey raphink [02:13] ajmitch: that should help the insomnia [02:13] ajmitch: that'll help :) [02:13] ajmitch: That must suck. [02:13] snap [02:13] Not sleeping that is. [02:13] so, let's look at the agenda [02:13] bimberi: :) [02:14] are we in a position to take the IRC issue further? === bimberi strongly suspects that Seveas would want to be here for that [02:14] sabdfl: you've probably seen seveas' comments elsewhere on that issue [02:15] sabdfl: i *doubt* anyone's prepared for that, not having expected you to be here. [02:15] sabdfl: maybe we should defer that till UDS === Hobbsee pings nalioth [02:16] we have deferred that item for so long, three more weeks won't hurt any :-/ === yarddog is present and listening.. [02:16] sabdfl: I think it's something the whole CC should discuss (which we can't seem to do often) and would benefit from higher bandwidth [02:16] but *shrug* [02:17] agree [02:17] for the record, i'm not convinced by the GetOffFreenodeSpec [02:17] it's light on substance [02:17] I also felt uncomfortable discussing it immediately post lilo's death [02:17] I agree to, and I think we need to talk about a phased move, if anything [02:17] GetOffFreenodeSpec was meant to be superseded by something more substanial [02:17] but apparently that never happened [02:17] although obviously we can't defer it forever [02:17] possibly peopel are reluctant to discuss it because it has potential for major disagreements [02:17] well, i think we take it off the CC agenda till someone does a better job of the proposal [02:18] canonical channels moving seems a reasonable reason due to privacy, but I am not convinced by public channels moving [02:18] i don't think the canonical issue is sufficient justification [02:18] wasnt there a decision to move the -dvel channels already? [02:18] we could run a private SSL-based authenticated IRC server if we really wanted a closed loop [02:18] *-devel [02:18] is everyone in Canonical who cares about the distro in a position to deal with multiple networks easily? [02:18] (in a former CC meeting) [02:18] we should be where our users and upstream developers are [02:18] (I'd hope so) [02:19] sabdfl, I agree - I just heard reports of security issues on freenode [02:19] Kamion: i think Gaim handles that [02:19] jono: irritations more than issues [02:19] I think we need a better proposal as said though [02:19] sabdfl: well, Debian moved to oftc, they're arguably a large chunk of our upstream [02:19] please notice that there are still over 600 people in #debian despite their move - do we want aplit channels? [02:19] upstream developers are on several networks already (e.g. GNOME) [02:19] Kamion: yes [02:19] i'd like to propose we remove this from the agenda till someone has done a better rationale [02:19] thoreauputic: however, that's not upstream channel === GnuKemist [n=omaciel@ubuntu/member/gnukemist] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:19] thoreauputic: that channel is the exception, all the others have moved [02:19] sabdfl: I have no issues with that [02:19] the canonical stuff is indeed irrelevant - we are going to be running a private IRC server for that [02:20] ok, what's next? [02:20] localisation team leader === GnuKemist is now known as OgMaciel [02:20] morning all [02:20] g'day OgMaciel :-) [02:20] azeem: my point is simply that splitting the community seems like a retrograde step [02:20] your timing is rather impeccable [02:20] hehehe [02:20] there was traffic [02:20] just arrived at work [02:20] ;) [02:20] thoreauputic: it's the support channel, the community (i.e. #debian-devel) actually got *merged* by the move (it was split for years) [02:20] thoreauputic: agreed, but that's off the agenda now till / unless we get a new proposal === azeem shuts up [02:21] sabdfl: yup - OK [02:21] so let's talk about ubuntu translations, and leadership === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:21] hi all [02:21] right now we have a pretty good infrastructure, in rosetta, though there are definitely issues there [02:22] some issues relate to how we coordinate with upstream - i think those are improving, socially and technically [02:22] some issues are to do with how teams are able to do QA on their membership [02:22] evening all [02:22] keeping track of new suggestions and translations by members of the teams [02:22] for teams who KNOW how all this works, it is getting better quickly [02:22] but we don't have anyone leading, championing, translation in Ubuntu [02:22] this person or team would: [02:22] - help new translation teams get started [02:23] - communicate regularly with the translation teams about release status and translation priorities [02:23] (i.e. "please translate Kamion's newest upload asap it cannot be updated post-release") [02:23] - help translation teams and LoCo teams coordinate with relevant upstreams, but telling them about best practice === pusakat [n=xenos@203.167.88.65] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:24] there's also a big opportunity to help improve the state of fontconfig and input method configuration in Ubuntu for many languages [02:24] I'd also expect: [02:24] - liaise with the development team regarding bugs/issues affecting translations [02:24] which requires working in many cases with the same groups of people [02:24] hmm something nearly like what bubulle does for debian, right? [02:25] well we do get alerts from debian to "hey update this and that" [02:25] zakame: bubulle and Denis Barbier and others, yes [02:25] elmo, mako, any other suggestions? zakame: yes, bubulle is great [02:26] bubulle is very good at making sure translators are clued up on all their technical requirements, and if necessary setting up systems to simplify and automate those [02:26] jsgotangco: we notice updates when we sync in new work from debian [02:26] so I'd hope that an Ubuntu translation coordinator would also help to liaise with the Launchpad team regarding blocking issues for translators [02:27] (as a sidenote: if that someone could deal with the rosetta/kde upstream relationship too, that'd be good.) [02:27] OgMaciel: do you want to tell us a bit about yourself, and how you see the role, and what you would bring to it? [02:27] sabdfl: sure thing [02:27] Hobbsee: i think the rosetta guys are speaking directly with kde upstream [02:27] sabdfl: oh good. === Hobbsee has heard kde upstream's opinions on it, but that's offtopic :) [02:27] sabdfl: I feel very "attracted" to this role, since my involvement with Ubuntu has always been related to translation and advocacy [02:28] sabdfl: I have formed some ideas about how things should be for things to *just work* [02:28] things that require a lot of flexibility from all parties [02:28] OgMaciel: do you have much experience with .po, gettext, fontconfig, scim? [02:29] sabdfl: not extensive for the bulk of my work has been done through Rosetta [02:29] sabdfl: but I do thing Rosetta has the potential to lessen the learning curve there [02:30] that is the beauty of things [02:30] part of this job is social - leadership and communication and advocacy [02:30] if we all can get together and talk to upstream folks, we could have a system that would benefit everyone [02:30] part of it is technical [02:30] OgMaciel, what impact would the role have with your duties in your LoCo team? [02:30] do you think that should be split into two roles? [02:31] jono: I have thought of that... and I believe it is time for someone else take the leadership of pt_BR LoCo... someone local [02:31] OgMaciel, ok === MagicFab [n=fabian@modemcable035.165-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:32] sabdfl: I actually see this as a sub-group activity [02:32] sabdfl: a couple of guys sharing these responsibilities [02:32] OgMaciel: what would you say you have learned from the pt_BR experience? [02:33] sabdfl: in terms of translations, I noticed that a few things need to be changed as far as nomenclature goes, in order for people to feel they're part of something [02:33] sabdfl: the word "leader" and "oficial" throws people off [02:33] OgMaciel: how comfortable would you be liaising with the development team, and how would you go about identifying and addressing problems affecting translations? [02:34] Kamion: for one thing, I'd set up regular meetings where groups could get together and discuss issues === merlin_the_great [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:34] Kamion: it would also serve as a source of sharing info === stgraber [n=stgraber@client80-83-51-125.abo.net2000.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:35] I also believe it is extremelly important to get upstream more involved [02:35] as in translation groups, or translators+developers, or somewhere in between? [02:35] why not revive the traffic in the -translators list as well [02:35] jsgotangco: +1 [02:35] Kamion: between [02:35] I envision a worldwide repository of translations [02:36] where upstream would step up [02:36] and actually stear things [02:36] I would gladly take their experience in account [02:36] make upstream pristine [02:37] and make Rosetta a never ending source of suggestions [02:37] OgMaciel, how would you resolve conflict? [02:37] jono: I would make upstream pristine and the default translation === omera [n=krep@62.24.113.42] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:37] jono: and would sit down with them [02:37] upstream that is [02:38] and lock them up until they were convinced to jump in and help us turn Rosetta into a repository of suggestions [02:38] and have them teach us their methods [02:38] and speed things up [02:38] easy, OgMaciel, i don't think you should base your plans on huge changes in rosetta [02:39] sabdfl: got carried away there [02:39] ;) [02:39] most of what we are looking at now is not based on rosetta, but on community leadership and coordination [02:39] or extreme cooperation from upstream :) [02:39] hehe [02:39] getting carried away won't help - we're really looking for someone who can coordinate and lead the existing effort [02:40] OgMaciel: most people will actually tell you how efficient doing translations in cvs is compared to rosetta despite the extremely low learning curve [02:40] well, I would suggest that people get a hold of their respective upstream groups and initiate some communication [02:40] OgMaciel, exactly, this role really requires diplomacy at all levels [02:40] jono: agreed [02:40] i think it most requires patience and diligence, together with some champion-advocacy [02:40] phone [02:40] OgMaciel: which is difficult when they tell you that it's a waste of time to be using rosetta? How do you deal with such things? === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-144-154-29.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:41] Hobbsee: I usually show them Rosetta in action [02:41] Hobbsee: for instance [02:41] ouch, my timing is a litle bad, sorry. === Belutz [n=belutz@ubuntu/member/belutz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:41] Hobbsee: I would pick a string that is considered to be inaccurate [02:41] is the loco meeting started yet? [02:42] Hobbsee: and would show them how to "fix" it [02:42] Hobbsee: and I would approve the fix [02:42] Belutz: this is the CC meeting === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@easyubuntu/docteam/kgoetz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:42] Hobbsee: get the PO, do a switch-a-roo, and voila' [02:42] Belutz: just over 2 more hours [02:42] gnomefre1k: oopss, must be the time difference [02:42] Belutz, not for a while yet === cyphase_ [n=cyphase@ppp-67-119-186-142.dialup.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:43] sabdfl: there is only one major issue for me [02:43] sabdfl: time [02:43] this is a somewhat huge task [02:44] and my new job doesn't give me a lot of free time [02:44] it is a big responsibility, yes [02:44] but i think you don't need a one-to-one conversation to do most of the work [02:44] so I'm here to support maybe someone else to take the role... and I would do my best to support this individual [02:44] OgMaciel: is your new job free-software-friendly? [02:44] Kamion: extremelly friendly [02:44] ;) [02:45] that often helps [02:45] my boss is very easy going === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:45] and we are on IRC all the time [02:46] I guess for starters, starting regular meetings for translators could get the ball rolling [02:46] rosetta guys could also attend them [02:46] it might be an idea to get an idea for minimum time commitment for the role and see if OgMaciel can satisfy that === omera [n=krep@62.24.113.42] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === amachu [n=amachu@61.247.245.87] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:47] jono: I like the sound of that [02:47] I am more than willing to step into this position [02:47] yes, we could definitely get the rosetta guys to those meetings [02:48] hi all [02:48] Sri Ramadoss alias amachu here [02:48] has the meeting started? [02:48] cc already [02:49] we could start holding some online "classes" for translators too === omera [n=krep@62.24.113.42] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:50] OgMaciel: hooking up with the ubuntu classroom people, maybe? === purserj [n=purserj@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:50] Hobbsee: asolutely ;) [02:50] absolutely [02:52] are there any questions for OgMaciel? [02:52] any more [02:52] if no decision is being made today, can I suggest the applicants for this position maybe write up a wiki page with their plans, experience etc for further discussion [02:52] jono: +1 [02:52] but amachu is here already might as well give him a chance as well since OgMaciel did say his piece [02:53] Isn't it an issue between those who did translation work for other projects and those who stumble into rosetta and start doing translations "from the bottom line"? [02:53] jsgotangco: +1 === merlin_the_great [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["sudo] [02:53] amachu: we are discussing the translation leadership position === OgMaciel would love to hear amachu's ideas [02:53] sabdfl: yes [02:53] could you introduce yourself, tell us a little bit about your experience with translation, fontconfig, input methods, etc [02:53] also, contributions and participation in ubuntu translation [02:53] yes.. [02:53] and how you would lead such an effort? [02:54] shall i start? [02:54] yes please! [02:54] sabdfl: perhaps it would be fair to repeat your intro from earlier? [02:54] i must unfortunately step into another meeting now. [02:54] I am sri ramadas, contact person of Ubuntu Tamil Team [02:54] Kamion: ok, can I paste? [02:54] sure [02:54] (13:21:46) sabdfl: so let's talk about ubuntu translations, and leadership [02:54] (13:21:55) zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] entered the room. [02:54] (13:21:58) sabdfl: right now we have a pretty good infrastructure, in rosetta, though there are definitely issues there [02:54] (13:21:58) zakame: hi all [02:54] (13:22:17) sabdfl: some issues relate to how we coordinate with upstream - i think those are improving, socially and technically [02:54] (13:22:28) sabdfl: some issues are to do with how teams are able to do QA on their membership [02:54] (13:22:32) quail: evening all [02:54] (13:22:38) sabdfl: keeping track of new suggestions and translations by members of the teams === Tonio__ [n=tonio@214.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:54] (13:22:48) sabdfl: for teams who KNOW how all this works, it is getting better quickly [02:54] (13:22:56) sabdfl: but we don't have anyone leading, championing, translation in Ubuntu [02:54] (13:23:01) sabdfl: this person or team would: [02:54] (13:23:08) sabdfl: - help new translation teams get started === Yann2 [n=Yann2@88.134.146.179] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:54] (13:23:25) sabdfl: - communicate regularly with the translation teams about release status and translation priorities [02:54] we started in august and is now twelve in number [02:54] (13:23:43) sabdfl: (i.e. "please translate Kamion's newest upload asap it cannot be updated post-release") [02:55] (13:24:10) sabdfl: - help translation teams and LoCo teams coordinate with relevant upstreams, but telling them about best practice [02:55] (13:24:35) sabdfl: there's also a big opportunity to help improve the state of fontconfig and input method configuration in Ubuntu for many languages [02:55] (13:24:37) Kamion: I'd also expect: [02:55] (13:24:38) Kamion: - liaise with the development team regarding bugs/issues affecting translations [02:55] (13:24:44) sabdfl: which requires working in many cases with the same groups of people [02:55] (13:24:59) zakame: hmm something nearly like what bubulle does for debian, right? [02:55] we perform translation on rosetta, [02:55] (13:25:19) jsgotangco: well we do get alerts from debian to "hey update this and that" [02:55] (13:25:22) Kamion: zakame: bubulle and Denis Barbier and others, yes [02:55] (13:25:23) sabdfl: elmo, mako, any other suggestions? zakame: yes, bubulle is great [02:55] that's it [02:55] i'll read scrollback later [02:55] hi.. sabdfl: listening to me? [02:55] cheers all [02:55] cheers sabdfl [02:55] amachu: yes, the rest of the group is, i need to step afk [02:55] take care sabdfl [02:56] cheers sabdfl :) [02:56] Bye, sabdfl_afk! [02:56] later sabdfl_afk [02:56] We all in our Team use SCIM input method for Translation [02:56] www.ubuntu-tam.org is our website [02:57] Now, my opinions of Translations and plans... === MehdiHassanpour [n=MehdiHas@85.198.25.238] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:57] 1) We need to have strong back up of vocalulary of local language, to carry out translation [02:57] vocabulary [02:58] so we tied up with Tamil Wiktionary, a Wikipedia project, to collect English words and theri corresponding Tamil words [02:59] cool [03:00] http://ta.wiktionary.org/ [03:00] amachu: how would you work on upstream with regards to translations, not just with tamil? === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D84BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:01] we find the way we work in Tamil is paying dividends and can be applied to other teams also [03:02] Rosetta as such has one disadvantage as far as developing countries.. [03:02] brb [03:02] unavailabity of broad band connections... [03:03] so colleges and other educational institutions are the key [03:04] amachu: im sorry but most of these are infrastructural and the position of translation team leader is more social in nature (but there are some technical issues as well), the model the tamil team adopts may not be as successful to other teams, for various reasons and require nurturing [03:04] sure [03:04] jsgotangco: I agree [03:05] amachu: we'd like to hear more about how you'd liaise with other teams (including Ubuntu development and Rosetta), train new translators, that ort of thing [03:05] ort -> sort [03:07] Kamion: training new translators, we should have pre-prepared documents on training tools.. the transalating tools like KBabel, GTranslator... [03:09] Next, All the words that have bee translated uptill now should be available for download collectively (one time download), since brb is not readily available.. [03:09] have you done anything to date that involved working with code changes required to support translations better? [03:09] I think amachu touched an important part, which is getting more documents about *best practices* for performing translations using Rosetta, etc [03:10] agreed [03:10] it would be interesting getting LoCo teams that share some of the languages, like spanish for instance, together [03:10] no not as yet... [03:10] there's a slight chance that they could benefit from each others efforts [03:11] Now if all translations done uptil now are available then huge amount of time will be saved in re-translating the same word [03:11] Rosetta does that but brb is concern [03:11] "brb"? [03:12] broad band connectivity [03:12] maybe someone could start a thread titled: "How we [LoCo team name goes here] operate"? [03:12] Kbabel is the best tool we have witnessed === Czubek [n=Damian@a228.t15.ds.pwr.wroc.pl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:12] it comes with Dictinary management services [03:14] a small question, shouldn't there be a feature in Launchpad for a team admin to be able to send a message to all team members [03:14] so, if the teams could download the PO file that contains all translations, add it to their local Kabel dictionary, half the time is saved... [03:14] i know the LoCo team lists are there [03:14] but still [03:15] fouadbajwa: I think that's off-topic here; #launchpad, or a bug report [03:15] oh [03:15] i was asking in light of LoCo Teams [03:15] now Teams should be encouraged to create communities dedicated for a particular application [03:15] seeking suggestion [03:15] whether to propose or not [03:15] fouadbajwa: please do file a feature request about that :) [03:15] ok [03:16] okay, this has to be done at #launchpad right [03:16] so that their translation of a particular application doesn't get obsolete when a new version of that application is released [03:16] that bug rapport exists and is a year old or something like that :) [03:16] amachu: thanks for your comments; I think the CC will need some time to consider the applications [03:16] i think if all of the teamleads here propose [03:16] it might just wokr [03:16] fouadbajwa: correct... let me know in pvt if you need help with that [03:16] work [03:16] so we will report either next meeting, or after the conference in Mountain View [03:16] hmm, [03:16] right [03:17] elmo: any idea whether sabdfl's going to be back for locoteam/membership? [03:17] Kamion: no, he's appeared but already run off to another meeting [03:17] how about we use this opportunity to trial jono [03:17] Kamion: Thank U [03:17] elkbuntu, surwe [03:17] sure [03:17] certainly for locoteams, at least [03:17] haha [03:18] get him to act as 3rd, and have sabdfl ok that and/or the applicants later? [03:18] we don't have to trial Jono [03:18] (we've never been too bothered about strict voting requirements on those) === elkbuntu redirects the comment [03:18] he has already proved his mark [03:18] with the Official Ubuntu Guide ;) [03:18] have you all read the guide [03:18] ok, so let's do locoteams [03:19]