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| Keybuk | mbiebl: did your upstart packages never make it through Debian NEW? | 08:22 |
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| mbiebl | Yes, they were rejected because the Conflicted with sysvinit. | 08:23 |
| Keybuk | interesting... | 08:23 |
| Keybuk | who rejected them? | 08:23 |
| Keybuk | Random-J? | 08:23 |
| mbiebl | jvw | 08:23 |
| Keybuk | *nods* | 08:23 |
| mbiebl | It's because sysvinit is essential. | 08:23 |
| Md | mbiebl: will you use diversions then? | 08:23 |
| Keybuk | arguably, sysvinit should not be Essential | 08:23 |
| mbiebl | Md, yes I'll use that for the meantime and target experimental first. | 08:24 |
| Md | be prepared for a world of pain. m-i-t was not fun... | 08:24 |
| mbiebl | Keybuk: Yes, but this won't change for etch. | 08:24 |
| mbiebl | Md: I don't like this idea either. | 08:25 |
| mbiebl | On the other hand that seems to be the only way to get upstart into the archive now. | 08:25 |
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| Keybuk | mbiebl: you targetted it to experimental, yes? | 08:28 |
| mbiebl | The one that got rejected? No, it was for unstable. | 08:29 |
| Keybuk | ahh | 08:30 |
| Keybuk | if it were experimental, it may have got through | 08:30 |
| Keybuk | though one of jvw's comments amuses me | 08:30 |
| mbiebl | Propably. | 08:31 |
| mbiebl | which one? | 08:31 |
| Keybuk | - Being not yet an init replacement it's also of limited use yet, | 08:31 |
| mbiebl | This was a misunderstanding of jvw. He though upstart installed the init binary as /sbin/init and so was not a "drop-in" replacement, yet. | 08:32 |
| mbiebl | s#/sbin/init#/sbin/upstart# | 08:32 |
| Keybuk | so he rejected it coming AND going? | 08:33 |
| Keybuk | he rejected it for not replacing /sbin/init and for replacing it? :p | 08:33 |
| mbiebl | The main point was, that upstart conflicted with sysvinit, which is essential and that's not allowed by policy. | 08:34 |
| Keybuk | heh | 08:34 |
| Keybuk | so is it Debian policy that they will never allow sysvinit to be replaced? | 08:34 |
| Md | not in etch, and in etch+1 it may still be hard | 08:35 |
| mbiebl | As long as the essential tag is not removed from sysvinit, yes. | 08:35 |
| mbiebl | I made a proposal, how we could deal with this by introducing a new base package called "init" | 08:37 |
| mbiebl | which is essential and depends on "sysvinit | init-system". | 08:37 |
| mbiebl | This package would be essential and the essential flag from sysvinit would be removed. | 08:37 |
| === ..[topic/#upstart:Keybuk] : Upstart 0.3.0 | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/doc/getting-started.html | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpstartDesignChanges | irc logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | http://www.lugradio.org/episodes/61 | http://enterprise.linux.com/enterprise/06/09/18/1623244.shtml | ||
| mbiebl | Other sysvinit replacements (like upstart, runit etc.) could then add a Conflicts/Replaces/Provides: init-system. | 08:38 |
| mbiebl | I hope to get that done for etch+1. | 08:39 |
| Keybuk | the interesting trick will be complying with the invoke-rc.d/update-rc.d policy :) | 08:39 |
| mbiebl | Yes, the "init" package would provide invoke-rc.d/update-rc.d as mere wrappers. | 08:39 |
| Keybuk | but how do they work in upstart? | 08:40 |
| mbiebl | The init systems would install the actual implementation. | 08:40 |
| Keybuk | "stop 0 23" doesn't mean much | 08:40 |
| Keybuk | anyway, dinner, bbl | 08:40 |
| mbiebl | Md, I have asked jvw if he'd accept an upstart package in experimental which does not use diversions but Conflicts/Replaces: sysvinit. | 08:42 |
| mbiebl | He hasn't answered yet. | 08:42 |
| mbiebl | Depending on his answer I'll decide to use diversions or not. | 08:42 |
| Md | cool | 08:42 |
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| Md | aw | 11:35 |
| Md | oops | 11:35 |
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| maro_ | is my setup screwed or is initctl list supposed to look like this? ;) http://borkware.net/~mark/initctl_list.txt | 11:45 |
| maro_ | (0.2.7 looks fine) | 11:45 |
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| mbiebl | maro_: I noticed the same. | 12:07 |
| mbiebl | Maybe you just file a bug. | 12:07 |
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