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[08:23] Yes, they were rejected because the Conflicted with sysvinit. [08:23] interesting... [08:23] who rejected them? [08:23] Random-J? [08:23] jvw [08:23] *nods* [08:23] It's because sysvinit is essential. [08:23] mbiebl: will you use diversions then? [08:23] arguably, sysvinit should not be Essential [08:24] Md, yes I'll use that for the meantime and target experimental first. [08:24] be prepared for a world of pain. m-i-t was not fun... [08:24] Keybuk: Yes, but this won't change for etch. [08:25] Md: I don't like this idea either. [08:25] On the other hand that seems to be the only way to get upstart into the archive now. === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #upstart [08:28] mbiebl: you targetted it to experimental, yes? [08:29] The one that got rejected? No, it was for unstable. [08:30] ahh [08:30] if it were experimental, it may have got through [08:30] though one of jvw's comments amuses me [08:31] Propably. [08:31] which one? [08:31] - Being not yet an init replacement it's also of limited use yet, [08:32] This was a misunderstanding of jvw. He though upstart installed the init binary as /sbin/init and so was not a "drop-in" replacement, yet. [08:32] s#/sbin/init#/sbin/upstart# [08:33] so he rejected it coming AND going? [08:33] he rejected it for not replacing /sbin/init and for replacing it? :p [08:34] The main point was, that upstart conflicted with sysvinit, which is essential and that's not allowed by policy. [08:34] heh [08:34] so is it Debian policy that they will never allow sysvinit to be replaced? [08:35] not in etch, and in etch+1 it may still be hard [08:35] As long as the essential tag is not removed from sysvinit, yes. [08:37] I made a proposal, how we could deal with this by introducing a new base package called "init" [08:37] which is essential and depends on "sysvinit | init-system". [08:37] This package would be essential and the essential flag from sysvinit would be removed. === ..[topic/#upstart:Keybuk] : Upstart 0.3.0 | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/doc/getting-started.html | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpstartDesignChanges | irc logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | http://www.lugradio.org/episodes/61 | http://enterprise.linux.com/enterprise/06/09/18/1623244.shtml [08:38] Other sysvinit replacements (like upstart, runit etc.) could then add a Conflicts/Replaces/Provides: init-system. [08:39] I hope to get that done for etch+1. [08:39] the interesting trick will be complying with the invoke-rc.d/update-rc.d policy :) [08:39] Yes, the "init" package would provide invoke-rc.d/update-rc.d as mere wrappers. [08:40] but how do they work in upstart? [08:40] The init systems would install the actual implementation. [08:40] "stop 0 23" doesn't mean much [08:40] anyway, dinner, bbl [08:42] Md, I have asked jvw if he'd accept an upstart package in experimental which does not use diversions but Conflicts/Replaces: sysvinit. [08:42] He hasn't answered yet. [08:42] Depending on his answer I'll decide to use diversions or not. [08:42] cool === mbiebl [n=michael@e180067083.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #upstart === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #upstart === Snderfox [n=Sanderfo@84-104-194-100.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #upstart === Snderfox [n=Sanderfo@84-104-194-100.cable.quicknet.nl] has left #upstart ["I'll] === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D84BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #upstart === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #upstart === johnnybuoy [n=johnny@unaffiliated/johnnybuoy] has joined #upstart === johnnybuoy [n=johnny@unaffiliated/johnnybuoy] has joined #upstart === johnnybuoy [n=johnny@unaffiliated/johnnybuoy] has joined #upstart === johnnybuoy [n=johnny@nilus-1890.adsl.datanet.hu] has joined #upstart === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #upstart === johnnybuoy [n=johnny@nilus-1890.adsl.datanet.hu] has joined #upstart === johnnybuoy [n=johnny@nilus-1890.adsl.datanet.hu] has joined #upstart === johnnybuoy [n=johnny@nilus-1890.adsl.datanet.hu] has joined #upstart [11:35] aw [11:35] oops === maro_ [n=mark@0x55511dab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #upstart [11:45] is my setup screwed or is initctl list supposed to look like this? ;) http://borkware.net/~mark/initctl_list.txt [11:45] (0.2.7 looks fine) === johnnybuoy [n=johnny@unaffiliated/johnnybuoy] has joined #upstart === johnnybuoy [n=johnny@nilus-1890.adsl.datanet.hu] has joined #upstart [12:07] maro_: I noticed the same. [12:07] Maybe you just file a bug.