[02:08] <pygi> I'll cry :(
[04:05] <lguerra> highvolt1ge: ping
[06:25] <BonBonTheJon> how can I help edubuntu
[06:27] <Burgundavia> BonBonTheJon: many ways
[06:27] <Burgundavia> what do you like doing?
[06:28] <BonBonTheJon> I tried looking at the web site, but I couldn't get much information
[06:28] <BonBonTheJon> I am a computer science major, so I can do some programming or documentation
[06:28] <Burgundavia> cool
[06:28] <Burgundavia> for documentation, there is a major push on right now
[06:28] <Burgundavia> HedgeMage: you around?
[06:29] <Burgundavia> currently they are wokring on the Edubuntu Handbook
[06:29] <HedgeMage> Burgundavia: FSVT
[06:29] <HedgeMage> Burgundavia: what's up?
[06:29] <BonBonTheJon> i saw a post about that on one of the news feeds
[06:30] <Burgundavia> HedgeMage: BonBonTheJon the interested in helping out on documentation
[06:31] <HedgeMage> ooh!
[06:31] <Burgundavia> BonBonTheJon: there is a programming stuff to do as well, just the current need is for documentation
[06:31] <BonBonTheJon> I'd be glad to help
[06:31] <HedgeMage> BonBonTheJon: The Edubuntu Handbook could use all the help we can get right now :)
[06:31] <BonBonTheJon> what do I do
[06:32] <HedgeMage> BonBonTheJon: know how to use Subversion?
[06:32] <BonBonTheJon> I've heard about it, but I don't really know how to use it
[06:34] <HedgeMage> BonBonTheJon: it's pretty easy... first make sure you have it installed (the package name is "subversion")
[06:35] <HedgeMage> then, check out the instructions in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository
[06:35] <HedgeMage> our stuff is, predictably, in Edubuntu/Handbook inside the ubuntu-doc repo
[06:37] <HedgeMage> BonBonTheJon: if I can answer questions or point you in a right direction, just ask... I'll be more awake in 12 hours or so... right now I'm just catching up on some things before bed :)
[06:37] <HedgeMage> feel free to poke me as long as I'm still around, though
[06:37] <BonBonTheJon> HedgeMage: thanks, I need to be going to bed soon anyway
[06:38] <HedgeMage> :)
[06:38] <BonBonTheJon> Burgundavia: thanks agian
[06:39] <Burgundavia> BonBonTheJon: no worries
[06:39] <Burgundavia> feel free to ping me if you need help
[06:39] <Burgundavia> I have been a member of the doc team for a very long time
[06:40] <HedgeMage> BonBonTheJon: thanks for wanting to help out!
[06:41] <BonBonTheJon> HedgeMage: I've been wanting to help out, and when I saw a post on one of the news feeds I thought this should be the place
[06:42] <^Ghost2U> I installed dapper default options, and it isnt running dhcpd .. I cannot connect to it via thin client..weird
[06:43] <^Ghost2U> where did i go wrong?
[06:44] <^Ghost2U> more importantly, how do i fix it???
[06:45] <^Ghost2U> wanted to run ltsp
[06:46] <Burgundavia> ^Ghost2U: did you install edubuntu or the workstation?
[06:46] <^Ghost2U> edubuntu
[06:47] <Burgundavia> the purely default install?
[06:47] <^Ghost2U> it supposedly built the chroot sucessfully, and proceeded to install packages
[06:47] <Burgundavia> ah
[06:47] <^Ghost2U> yep, except for the ip adresses
[06:47] <Burgundavia> you need two nics
[06:48] <Burgundavia> one to the outside world and one to the thin clients
[06:48] <^Ghost2U> B: care to expand on that???
[06:49] <Burgundavia> you need two network cards
[06:49] <Burgundavia> one for the thin client network and the other for the internet
[06:49] <^Ghost2U> ok ... S.A.Q: why???
[06:50] <nixternal> ;)
[06:50] <Burgundavia> 'cuase you don't want to have your dhcp server blasting out over the public interface
[06:50] <Burgundavia> nixternal: hello and greetings
[06:50] <Burgundavia> please don't knock over all the plants on the way in
[06:50] <nixternal> hehe
[06:50] <nixternal> to late
[06:50] <Burgundavia> typical americans ;)
[06:50] <nixternal> speaking of plants, ever figure out what those bugs were on your tator plants?
[06:51] <Burgundavia> nope
[06:51] <nixternal> outcome of the tators?
[06:51] <Burgundavia> but they basically ruin my crop
[06:51] <Burgundavia> some
[06:51] <nixternal> ouch
[06:51] <nixternal> that stinks
[06:51] <Burgundavia> I need to dig the rest of them up this week
[06:52] <^Ghost2U> B: I get that.. basically I have 2 pc's behind a router/access point, and i turned off dhcp for the router.. 
[06:52] <Burgundavia> right
[06:52] <Burgundavia> is your dhcpd running?
[06:53] <^Ghost2U> no, and i don't know why not
[06:53] <^Ghost2U> no errors during install
[06:53] <Burgundavia> sudo /etc/init.d/dhcpd restart
[06:53] <Burgundavia> try that
[06:53] <^Ghost2U> didn't work
[06:53] <Burgundavia> what did it say?
[06:55] <^Ghost2U> for mine it's dhcp3-server, but it fails on stop & start
[06:55] <nixternal> g'nite
[06:55] <^Ghost2U> nite nix
[06:56] <Burgundavia> right
[06:56] <Burgundavia> likely a config issue
[06:56] <Burgundavia> likely the server has a log
[06:56] <Burgundavia> find out where it is and google the specific error
[06:57] <Burgundavia> I have actually never setup LTSP
[06:58] <BonBonTheJon> how to i use kdesvn and subversion
[07:00] <^Ghost2U> I did under vmware, and connected to it from another v-m on another pc.. had it working but needed to shutdown dhcp on 2003 domain to do so, so i decided to create an isolated network to experiment
[07:01] <^Ghost2U> the real pc's are a bigger pain than the virtual ones
[07:01] <^Ghost2U> if you can believe that!
[08:14] <RichEd> morning
[08:15] <Burgundavia> morning RichEd
[08:15] <RichEd> hey corey ... how's canada ?
[08:16] <Burgundavia> good
[09:35] <luckyed> Hi guys! I need to know how to configure local device access for ltsp clients in Ubuntu 6.10. Anyone knows where to activate this?
[09:35] <cbx33> luckyed: it should be on by default
[09:37] <luckyed> Tried but it didn't work. I logged in remotely, plugged in a usb stick, but nothing happened. Also couldn't find any entries in /media or /mnt. Isn't the lts.conf used anymore?
[09:41] <cbx33> hmm.... ogra would know more
[09:42] <luckyed> It's weird, cause I found two example lts.conf files, but none that is actually being used
[09:47] <cbx33> hmmm
[09:47] <cbx33> I'm not really the best one to ask about it........but I know ogra would know for sure
[09:49] <ogra> luckyed, hey ... on a fresh edubuntu 6.10 install the localdev access is enabled by default via /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
[09:49] <ogra> but you need to grant the access rights per user through the gnome user admin guoi or by adding the users to the fuse group
[09:49] <highvolt1ge> lguera: pong
[09:49] <cbx33> ahhh.....there ya go
[09:50] <cbx33> thanks ogra I'll remember that one
[09:50] <cbx33> ogra: I can start testing today if you'd like
[09:50] <ogra> i need to document it on the wiki or something, so ubuntu users know what to do
[09:50] <cbx33> ogra: yes like on the Getting Started on the edubuntu homepage
[09:50] <ogra> cbx33, any test any time counts ;)
[09:50] <cbx33> ogra: ok dude....here I go
[09:51] <cbx33> did you get my message yesterday
[09:51] <cbx33> about testing the multiple install procedures?
[09:52] <ogra> we need to test all procedures in all variations
[09:52] <cbx33> ok
[09:52] <ogra> *and the parts i outlined on the mailing list if you have thin client HW
[09:52] <cbx33> ok I'll try
[09:53] <ogra> dont forget about /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/qemu-ltsp ;)
[09:53] <luckyed> OK, so I guess I'll just try to copy that sample lts.conf in there, cause there's none yet...
[09:53] <ogra> luckyed, thats wrong
[09:53] <ogra> are you sure you use 6.10 ?
[09:53] <cbx33> ogra: ok
[09:55] <ogra> luckyed, how did you install ? did you by chance use the liveCD which doesnt install ltsp ? 
[09:57] <luckyed> Yes, I used the live cd, but then installed ltsp-server-standalone and openssh-server and then ran ltsp-client-setup. Ltsp is working great, but there's no lts.conf in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ and when plugging in usb sticks they don't get mounted.
[10:02] <ogra> run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical edubuntu-artwork
[10:03] <ogra> that will give you the edubuntu defaults in ltsp
[10:03] <ogra> thats the part the normal installer usually does for you 
[10:03] <pygi> hi ogra 
[10:03] <ogra> (which is missing if you install ltsp-server-standalone afterwards)
[10:04] <luckyed> I'm just doing it....
[10:04] <ogra> it should tell you about setting ltsp defaults :)
[10:04] <luckyed> But after that I still need to add users to the fuse group afterwards?
[10:04] <ogra> yep
[10:05] <pygi> 
[10:06] <luckyed> OK, let's see...
[10:08] <luckyed> Ahem, if the group fuse doesn't exist, I can just create it, right? :)
[10:10] <ogra> hmm
[10:10] <ogra> ergh
[10:10] <ogra> install ltspfs  :)
[10:11] <ogra> it will do the necessary bits
[10:28] <luckyed> hmm, installed ltspfs and added the user to group fuse, but it still doesn't work. What about ltspfsd? Do I have to install it, too?
[10:28] <ogra> nope
[10:29] <ogra> it should be installed in the client environment already, ltsp-build-client does that
[10:29] <ogra> did you reboot the client after the edubuntu-artwork stuff ?
[10:29] <luckyed> yes
[10:29] <ogra> the lts.conf is only read on boot
[10:30] <luckyed> Just had a look: ltspfsd isn't installed
[10:30] <ogra> hmm
[10:30] <ogra> it shouldnt be installed on the server ... but surely in the chroot ...
[10:31] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l ltspfsd 
[10:32] <ogra> does that return something ?
[10:35] <luckyed> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[10:35] <luckyed> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[10:35] <luckyed> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[10:35] <luckyed> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[10:35] <luckyed> +++-[10:35] <luckyed> ii  ltspfsd        0.4.3-0ubuntu4 Fuse based remote filesystem daemon for LTSP
[10:35] <ogra> right, its there
[10:36] <ogra> is the fuse module loaded on the server ?
[10:38] <ogra> (it should have been loaded by the fuse-utilspackage)
[10:40] <luckyed> hmm, modprobe fuse on the server gives me back nothing. That means it's installed, right?
[10:41] <ogra> lsmod|grep fuse
[10:41] <ogra> :)
[10:42] <luckyed> OK, it's installed
[10:43] <ogra> then it should work ...
[10:43] <ogra> you dont use the same user one the server and the client, do you ?
[10:43] <luckyed> Nope, it's a different user just created for testing
[10:44] <ogra> ok
[10:45] <ogra> try: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
[10:45] <ogra> that will enable the root account on the thin client
[10:45] <ogra> then switch to console on the booted client
[10:45] <ogra> log inh as root with the password you created
[10:46] <ogra> run: ps ax|grep ltspfsd
[10:46] <ogra> and check if ltspfsd is running
[10:47] <ogra> if thats the case, plug in a device and check if it appears in /var/run/drives
[10:47] <luckyed> OK, just a sec...
[10:54] <pips1> hi ogra, do you need anything testing in particular?
[10:54] <pips1> *tested
[10:56] <luckyed> OK, I can't login as root on the client. Always says authentication failure. And there's no directory drives in /var/run
[10:56] <luckyed> ltspfsd is running on the client, though
[10:59] <ogra> how do you know if you cant log in ?
[10:59] <ogra> pips1, anything indeed :)
[11:00] <luckyed> I did ps ax | grep ltspfsd as user and it showed me the process...
[11:01] <ogra> as what user ?
[11:01] <luckyed> I slightly remember sth about the root account not being activatable on the client, has that changed?
[11:01] <ogra> there are no users on a thin client 
[11:01] <ogra> the above enabled it
[11:01] <luckyed> as the test user that's in the fuse group
[11:01] <ogra> if you followed my step by step guide
[11:01] <ogra> on the client ?
[11:02] <ogra> there is no user on the client and there shouldnt be one  
[11:02] <ogra> unless you added one (lock that please)
[11:03] <luckyed> It's the user account I created on the server to have an account to log in on the client
[11:03] <ogra> pips1, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Testing/Current as always :)
[11:03] <ogra> luckyed, ??
[11:03] <ogra> there are no accounts on the clients
[11:04] <ogra> the client just runs an X server you never log in *on the client* but on the server *via* the client
[11:04] <cbx33> ogra: just getting iso
[11:04] <luckyed> But I have to type a user name and password when I log in on the client, OK? So that's the user I'm talking about
[11:04] <ogra> the underlying linux system on the client that runs the X server has no users
[11:04] <ogra> (the one you should switch to with alt-f1)
[11:05] <luckyed> OK OK, I know that, you know what I meant...
[11:05] <ogra> ok
[11:05] <ogra> the sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd should have asked you for a password (at least twice)
[11:06] <highvoltage> ogra: it's best to test with a daily build, right?
[11:06] <ogra> use "root" for log in and the password you gave for the above command
[11:06] <ogra> highvoltage, best with the most recent, yes
[11:06] <highvoltage> ok thanks
[11:06] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/
[11:06] <luckyed> Yes it has. I have typed a password twice, it was accepted, but when I try to log in as root via the client it's not accepted as viable password
[11:06] <ogra> and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/
[11:06] <pips1> highvoltage: good question, I was about to ask that :-)
[11:07] <ogra> dont use the "current" link, iuf a rebuild is done it might get updated in teh middle of your download 
[11:07] <ogra> luckyed, but you switched to console, right ?
[11:08] <highvoltage> ooh, ok
[11:10] <ogra> well, if you test nightlies, the current link is fine
[11:10] <ogra> just not 24h before a release :) since we rebuild them often then :)
[11:10] <pips1> ogra: what happens if use rysnc and it gets rebuilt in the middle? is that a problem?
[11:11] <luckyed> I guess the reason I can't log in as root via the console is that this should be disabled. I remember that was the case with ltsp4.2...
[11:11] <cbx33> heheh
[11:11] <ogra> it is disabled through the locked password which you unlocked with the above command
[11:12] <luckyed> On the 1st console I saw a message notifying me that a device sda has been plugged in. Not visible anywhere, though...
[11:12] <ogra> thats a good sign, so the HW side should eb ok
[11:12] <ogra> *be
[11:14] <ogra> can you check that the right lts.conf is in place ?
[11:14] <ogra> [default] 
[11:14] <ogra>         X_COLOR_DEPTH=16
[11:14] <ogra>         LOCALDEV=True
[11:14] <ogra>         SOUND=True
[11:14] <ogra>         NBD_SWAP=True
[11:14] <ogra> that would be the default lts.conf edubuntu-artwork installs in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
[11:14] <ogra> (only if you didnt add one manually already)
[11:18] <luckyed> I have that same lts.conf, but at the end there's another line SYSLOG_HOST=server
[11:20] <ogra> oh, right
[11:20] <ogra> copy paste error
[11:30] <luckyed> Where would a usb-drive be mounted to anyways? /home/username/somewhere or /media/ or /tmp/ ?
[11:37] <ogra>  /media/$USER/<devicename>
[11:38] <luckyed> But it still doesn't get mounted... :(
[11:38] <ogra> but it will also show up on your desktop and in the places menu ... as well as on the left side in nautilus
[11:42] <luckyed> it doesn't :( 
[11:47] <luckyed> OK, so again these are the steps I took, perhaps you can see sth essential missing: 1. Installed Edubuntu via the live cd 2. Installed ltsp-server-standalone and openssh-server 3. sudo ltsp-build-client 4. Adjusted IP settings in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf 5. ltsp-update-sshkeys 6. sudo dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical edubuntu-artwork 7. sudo aptitude install ltspfs 8. adduser test fuse Did I forget anything???
[11:49] <ogra> not that i'm aware of
[11:52] <ogra> if you run the command fusermount as test, what do you get ?
[11:53] <ogra> s/as test/as the user test/
[11:55] <luckyed> fusermount as test gives me: "missing mountpoint argument"
[11:56] <ogra> ok, test is allowed to use fuse
[11:56] <ogra> so the group addition is fine
[12:06] <luckyed> But what could be missing, then?
[12:26] <luckyed> OK, did a stupid mistake: ltsp is currently using english keyboard layout and that was the reason why I couldn't log in as root. My password's different on a German keyboard.... :( But now I looked in /var/run/drives as root and found a usbdisk-sda listed there! Yippieh! So now my only prob is: How do I get this stick mounted?
[12:27] <ogra> well, it got mounted (literally) but the communication between desktop and client seems not to work
[12:27] <ogra> add
[12:27] <ogra>     XKBLAYOUT=de
[12:27] <ogra>     XKBVARIANT=nodeadkeys
[12:28] <ogra> to your lts.conf btw
[12:28] <ogra> thats what i use here
[12:29] <luckyed> done. 
[12:30] <luckyed> Is it maybe possible to mount that stick manually after it's discovered. The file in /var/run/drives is sth like a device file in /dev or am I missing sth? Then I could maybe mount it with an ordinary mount?
[12:30] <ogra> hmm, the only thing i can imagine would be to reboot the server, but that wuld likely only work around the preoblem if it works
[12:31] <luckyed> Or, to say it more clearly. How does a drive get mounted once it appeared in /var/run/drives? With fusermount? Maybe I could try and find the missing part if I only knew where about to look...
[12:31] <ogra> nope
[12:32] <ogra> it gets mounted by udev which then triggers the mount in the users session on the server
[12:33] <luckyed> Hmm, when I try to start the gnome user admin gui, it crashes and a bug report opens immediately. Maybe there's some connection here?
[12:34] <ogra> hmm
[12:34] <ogra> thats weird
[12:35] <ogra> works here
[12:35] <ogra> you did only run "adduser test fuse" before ? and didnt fiddle with /etc/group or something ?
[12:36] <luckyed> no, I just removed the self-created group fuse before I installed ltspfs, but after that I just used adduser test fuse
[12:36] <ogra> oh
[12:37] <ogra> how did you remove it ? with delgroup ?
[12:38] <luckyed> yep
[12:38] <ogra> hmm, but something there seems to have gone wrong if your gui doesnt start
[12:40] <luckyed> Well, in /etc/group there's the group fuse with user test added and it has a guid 115
[12:42] <ogra> and there is no other fuse entry ?
[12:42] <ogra> if so, that sounds about right
[12:42] <cbx33> ogra 17.1 instlal fine
[12:42] <ogra> great
[12:42] <cbx33> just gonna try a resize install
[12:43] <ogra> did you test the ltsp bits ?
[12:43] <cbx33> not yet....
[12:43] <ogra> ok
[12:43] <cbx33> do you want me to do those now or lateR?
[12:43] <cbx33> what is more crucial
[12:43] <cbx33> and do you have that link to the LTSP testing bits
[12:43] <ogra> i'll do them anyway ... knowing that the basic install didnt fail is already worth a lot, just go on :)
[12:44] <ogra> its on the Testing/Current wikipage
[12:44] <cbx33> u sure I don;t mind testing the LTSP extras
[12:44] <cbx33> ok
[12:44] <cbx33> I can boot up a laptop and have some test back in about 30 mins
[12:44] <cbx33> I'll do it now :p
[12:50] <ogra> pips1, can you add the other mirrors to  http://www.edubuntu.com/Download ? it currently only shows the main archive 
[12:50] <ogra> or highvoltage ^^^^
[12:50] <jsgotangco> hello
[12:51] <ogra> heya jsgotangco 
[12:51] <jsgotangco> ogra!
[12:52] <highvoltage> pips1: can you check my permissions, I can't edit that page :/
[12:52] <highvoltage> hello jsgotangco and ogra :)
[12:52] <ogra> +e
[12:52] <ogra> highvoltage, thanks for caring :)
[12:58] <luckyed> I'll try and restart the server...brb
[01:04] <pips1> highvoltage: I just noticed that authors in Drupal can only edit their own content. I'll log in as admin and do it....
[01:08] <pips1> ogra: just to make sure, do you really want me to add that whole huge table of download mirrors from http://www.ubuntu.com/download to http://www.edubuntu.com/Download ?! I would need to replace anything to make it Edubuntu-specific, or can I duplicate those links?
[01:08] <luckyed> ogra: Thanks a looooot for your help! Rebooted the server and now it works! Also the user-admin-gui works . Obviously messed sth up with the addgroup fuse...But now there's one more point: I tried to create a folder on the usbdisk and then logged out, took out the stick and checked if the folder is still there (by plugging it in the server), but it wasn't. I read about this problem and reckon it has sth to do with the stick actually being mounted in a tem
[01:10] <pips1> ogra: I don't think it makes sense to duplicate content that is maintained in one place, if it can be avoided... in this case it might be better to just link to the ubuntu download page, no?
[01:11] <pips1> oh...
[01:12] <cbx33> ogra: hmmm....evolution alarm notify just caused bugbuddy to load.....
[01:12] <cbx33> could be a memory problem.....the fact I dont have enough on the vm?
[01:12] <cbx33> never happened before
[01:14] <cbx33> i can;'t get my second user to login
[01:14] <cbx33> kicks back to the ldm
[01:14] <cbx33> just gonna check logs in a min
[01:17] <cbx33> hmmm.he nac log into the server fine
[01:18] <cbx33> after logging him into the server he can now log into the client
[01:19] <cbx33> WOW Local devices works really nice
[01:20] <pips1> I would need to change all the mirror links to the edubuntu directory...
[01:21] <pips1> cbx33: I just installed from scratch, and during the initial startup (usplash?) the artwork is fubared, colours are all distorted... ?!
[01:21] <pips1> did you get that too?
[01:21] <pips1> gdm is fine
[01:26] <pips1> strange... I can't login from a client.. hmm. 
[01:27] <cbx33> pips1: hmm....I couldn't loginto client with my second user
[01:27] <cbx33> but first user was ok
[01:27] <cbx33> the usplash was fine on mine
[01:28] <cbx33> but there is a bug about garbage usplash somewhere
[01:28] <cbx33> ogra: how do I eject a device?
[01:43] <luckyed> cbx33: Having the same prob. Just did a few checks and created a folder on the usb-drive, then logged off and unplugged it. Sometimes the folder was still there, sometimes it wasn't written to the stick. Guess this is still a bug not yet fixed, but I also wonder if there's a "safe way" to unmount it...
[01:50] <highvoltage> RichEd: hehe. sorry for that :)
[01:50] <RichEd> no problem ... I though I was honoured to get a personal call ... and then it was just a wrong number :(
[01:50] <RichEd> I was just a wrong number 
[01:50] <highvoltage> RichEd: ok, I'll owe you a personal call then!
[01:51] <RichEd> :)
[01:51] <highvoltage> phones that auto-complete numbers can be a bit of a hassle :)
[01:51] <jsgotangco> hey
[01:52] <highvoltage> hey mistir gotangco
[01:52] <jsgotangco> get one of those all-in-one phones
[01:52] <jsgotangco> hehe
[01:52] <jsgotangco> i think i'm already one of them crackberries
[01:53] <jsgotangco> if i don't stop, my thumbs will be come deformed in a few years
[01:53] <RichEd> hey jsgotangco :)
[01:54] <pips1> jsgotangco: hehe
[01:54] <jsgotangco> RichEd: very very high-level presentation coming your way
[01:54] <RichEd> claire newman will mail you soon about a hotel suggestion for Mark when he is in Philippines ... I've let her know that you would be keen for a quiet chat if he is at a loose end in the middle of his schedule/
[01:55] <jsgotangco> oh ok 
[01:56] <jsgotangco> RichEd: speak of the devil she just emailed
[01:56] <RichEd> ^^ claire newman will mail you soon : that's what I said dude !
[01:57] <RichEd> [01:57] <jsgotangco> RichEd: is she online on irc?
[01:57] <rodarvus> good morning
[01:57] <RichEd> hi rodarvus 
[01:57] <pips1> hullo rodarvus
[01:57] <RichEd> jsgotangco: msg ... she's around in #canonical
[01:57] <stgraber> hi
[01:58] <rodarvus> still in time for the meeting :)
[01:58] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[01:58] <jsgotangco> RichEd: i dont think its a good idea for me to just barge in to that channel
[01:59] <RichEd> ^ jsgotangco: msg
[01:59] <jsgotangco> doh
[01:59] <RichEd> not join :)
[02:02] <ogra> pips1, right, the same list of mirrors as on http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[02:02] <cbx33> ogra: can we eject these local devices
[02:03] <pips1> ogra: ok
[02:03] <RichEd> [02:03] <ogra> cbx33, no need to
[02:03] <ogra> they get automatically unmopuinted on the client 
[02:03] <ogra> if there was no data transfer for 2 seconds ....
[02:03] <ogra> so you can just unplug 
[02:04] <cbx33> ogra: COOL!
[02:04] <cbx33> that rocks
[02:04] <cbx33> now what about my logging in problem?
[02:04] <cbx33> I couldn't log in with my new user
[02:04] <cbx33> but once they had logged into the server directly they could login
[02:05] <ogra> hrm
[02:05] <cbx33> wnat me to try crweating another user?
[02:06] <cbx33> oh and I still have that sound problem
[02:06] <ogra> yes and please  check ~/.xsession-errors after the failed attempt 
[02:06] <ogra> file a bug for the sound prob
[02:07] <cbx33> ok
[02:08] <pips1> cbx33: let me know the bug # for that sound prob you're talking about
[02:08] <cbx33> ogra: cannot remove a gstreamer file, because it doesn't exist
[02:08] <sbalneav> Morning
[02:08] <cbx33> hey sbalneav 
[02:09] <sbalneav> There a meeting this morning?
[02:09] <cbx33> sbalneav: yup
[02:09] <pips1> sbalneav: right now
[02:09] <cbx33> ogra: what package shall I assign the sound bug to?
[02:09] <ogra> cbx33, ltsp
[02:09] <cbx33> ok
[02:09] <ogra> i'll have to find a way to reproduce it ...
[02:10] <cbx33> rm: cannot remove `/home/rich/.gstreamer-0.10/registry.*.xml': No such file or directory
[02:10] <cbx33> rich was my user
[02:10] <ogra> argh
[02:10] <ogra> ok
[02:10] <ogra> crap
[02:10] <cbx33> sorry dude
[02:11] <ogra> damned last minute fixes
[02:11] <cbx33> pips1: just reporting bug now
[02:11] <ogra> its missing an || true 
[02:11] <cbx33> heheh
[02:11] <cbx33> dude you rock
[02:11] <ogra> in the new sound handling stuff
[02:11] <ogra> please attach that to the bug 
[02:19] <luckyed> ogra: Do the local devices usually get unmounted when the user signs off? Cause I tried that and yet sth I wrote on the stick previously wasn't saved there...
[02:20] <ogra> luckyed, it unmounts two seconds after the4 last data was transferred 
[02:20] <ogra> (automatically)
[02:20] <ogra> so either you pulled it out while it was still writing or you dont have write permissions 
[02:22] <luckyed> OK, sounds good, but you don't know when a data transfer is finished, so those 2 secs are probably a bit too short for plugging out. 
[02:23] <luckyed> I'm just installing Ubuntu 6.10 on another pc and will go through all those steps again just for testing. Having 15 clients with unused harddrives improves possibilities.... :)
[02:24] <luckyed> And once 6.10 Final is out, that means migrating the server...uh*oh*
[02:25] <pips1> luckyed: if you can, try testing a dapper -> edgy dist-upgrade, that would be great
[02:26] <ogra> right
[02:26] <ogra> but it wont go flawless for the chroot i guess
[02:27] <luckyed> I will! Just not today anymore, as I'm doing this during work and there's only 90mins left :) Will post the results tomorrow
[02:27] <ogra> luckyed, schoenen feierabend dann :)
[02:28] <luckyed> You mean an upgrade with a dapper with ltsp already working, do you?
[02:28] <pips1> yes
[02:29] <pips1> well, don't test it on a productive system, but on a fresh dapper install on a test machine..
[02:31] <luckyed> Any preferences for which system I should use? I have an ubuntu +ltsp4.2 or an Edubuntu with integrated ltsp to try the update with...
[02:33] <ogra> oh, ubuntu with 4.2 to edubuntu with ltsp 5 wont work ... 
[02:33] <ogra> i need to find out how to properly uninstall 4.2 in such cases
[02:37] <highvoltage> well, normally it's just a tarball that extracted, so rm -Rf /opt/ltsp-4.2 would probably suffice :)
[02:37] <highvoltage> oh, and it installs an lts directory in /var/lib/tftpboot (or just /tftpboot), but that doesn't bother ubuntu ltsp.
[02:38] <ogra> highvoltage, right, i mean the changes it does to dhcp tftp etc
[02:38] <highvoltage> and the dhcpd settings wouldn't be a problem either since ltsp would use /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf :)
[02:38] <ogra> but it needs testing :)
[02:39] <highvoltage> ah, of course!
[02:39] <luckyed> OK, so I'll use the Edubuntu then. About uninstalling 4.2: I installed it (as far as I remember) following the ltspguide.pfd. Wouldn't it be enough to just uninstall the packets used there? That is, dhcp3-server, dhcp3-common, dhcp3-dev, tftpd-hpa, nfs-kernel-server, xinetd and libwww-perl. If the dhcp3-server is installed again with the ltsp-server-standalone, this should be working, I guess...
[02:39] <ogra> and proper documentation for people wanting to switch
[02:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi ogra :)
[02:40] <ogra> well, our ltsp uses dhcpd as well :)
[02:40] <ogra> Kamping_Kaiser, hi
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:41] <ogra> luckyed, xinetd is surely something you dont want in ubuntus ltsp
[02:41] <ogra> libwww-perl isnt used anywhere ... you can leave it or drop it
[02:42] <ogra> dhcp3-server and nfs-kernel-server are used ...
[02:42] <ogra> and will override the old config
[02:42] <cbx33> ogra: sorry to bug you, I can't scroll up here in cgi irc....I something flash by about attaching something tothe sound bug
[02:42] <cbx33> pips1: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/66735
[02:42] <pips1> ta
[02:43] <ogra> tftpd-hpa is used as well ...
[02:43] <ogra> and netkit-inetd instead of xinetd
[02:45] <cbx33> ogra: there's the bug for the sound stuff
[02:46] <ogra> got it in my inbox ;)
[02:46] <luckyed> And if you just uninstalled ltsp-utils and delete the 4.2 folder in /opt/
[02:46] <cbx33> ah yes...i forget LP does that
[02:47] <cbx33> 000b6a5631f9 there's a mac if ever I saw one :p
[02:47] <cbx33> hmmm: Asiarock Incorporatio
[02:47] <ogra> luckyed, well, you need to replace xinetd with netkit-inetd as well, but that might suffice
[02:54] <jsgotangco> Asiarock
[02:54] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:54] <jsgotangco> nice name
[02:54] <jsgotangco> actually Asia really rocks
[02:58] <ogra> we should have a conf there :)
[03:17] <jsgotangco> RichEd: you just opened up pandora's box for you call for suggestions, people will just put wishlists there ;) (it alredy started)
[03:17] <RichEd> good.
[03:17] <RichEd> that's what we want.
[03:17] <jsgotangco> really, compiz on edubuntu?
[03:17] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:20] <ogra> eek
[03:42] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:45] <jsgotangco> RichEd: on a final note though, shouldn't us techies at least know some education related stuff that may help *us* in improving stuff
[03:46] <cbx33> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-artwork/+bug/47336 - is that bug specialised to edubutnu
[03:46] <cbx33> I thought it was a generic gtk issue?
[03:49] <cbx33> ogra: comments on the above ?
[03:49] <cbx33> did you want me to add those bugs to my testing results
[03:50] <LaserJock> cbx33: dude, we're having a meeting :-)
[03:50] <cbx33> yeh I know, this is a MIW - message in waiting
[03:51] <LaserJock> cbx33: loading up the ogra queue :-)
[03:53] <cbx33> yup
[03:53] <cbx33> he loves it really ;)
[04:16] <cbx33> sorry to pile on the message ogra 
[04:17] <RichEd> jsgotangco: explain your comment ?
[04:28] <sbalneav> Heh, just realized I wasn't in here.
[04:28] <LaserJock> bad bad boy
[04:32] <RichEd> jsgotangco: yes, we will get a lot of silly wish list requests ... our attitutude must be "we are listening". We then list them on the wiki. We then organise into possible / impossible. We then prioritise by dev effort vs benefit. We then select 10. We deliver at least 5.
[04:32] <RichEd> Actions:
[04:32] <RichEd>     * Engage the Ubuntu Education community to identify 10 most desired desktop features
[04:32] <RichEd>     * Prioritise the feature list against work effort vs benefit with the developer community
[04:32] <RichEd>     * Deliver at least 5 features in Edubuntu Edgy+1
[04:33] <jsgotangco> thats reasonable for 6 months work
[04:33] <^Ghost2U> does dapper automatically continue the install when a chroot build fails
[04:34] <pips1> RichEd: when you say Desktop, you should somehow also mention "connectivity" or something. E.g. I think it is important to get edubuntu work nicely within an existing network...
[04:35] <RichEd> pips1: sure
[05:33] <^Ghost2U> can anyone help with a problem install?
[05:35] <LaserJock> not if we don't know what problem you are having :-)
[05:38] <adrian_> !ask
[05:38] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:45] <BonBonTheJon> how do i checkout the svn of the handbook
[05:46] <pips1> in a fresh server install, my second NIC doesn't seem to be configured (checking with ifconfig). What command can I use to see if the NIC is recognised by the system at all? (The cabling seems fine, router lights on..)
[05:46] <BonBonTheJon> pips1: try lspci to see if it is on the bus
[05:46] <lguerra> Hi
[05:46] <lguerra> RichEd: ping
[05:47] <RichEd> hello lguerra : we keep on missing each other
[05:47] <pips1> BonBonTheJon: thanks, did that and it shows up indeed. hmm
[05:47] <pips1> hi lguerra
[05:47] <LaserJock> BonBonTheJon: there is the Ubuntu documentation team repo
[05:47] <BonBonTheJon> LaserJock: I tried 'svn checkout http://svn.binaryredneck.net/handbook edubuntu-handbook' but it can't connect
[05:48] <LaserJock> hmm
[05:49] <RichEd> lguerra: can we make a time to chat ? I need to take care of some things and then move on to an appointment.
[05:49] <LaserJock> BonBonTheJon: you can use svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-doc to get the doc team repo
[05:49] <LaserJock> BonBonTheJon: the handbook is in the edubuntu directory
[05:49] <RichEd> lguerra: can I mail you the outline of the presentation by this time tomorrow ?
[05:49] <RichEd> and some questions for you to answer
[05:49] <BonBonTheJon> LaserJock: i have the doc team repo
[05:49] <BonBonTheJon> LaserJock: how do i look at a docbook
[05:50] <RichEd> lguerra: do you have the information we spoke about from Mauricio Hernandez ?
[05:50] <LaserJock> BonBonTheJon:  yelp <mainxmlfile>.xml
[05:50] <lguerra> RichEd: we can speak already if you desire it
[05:51] <lguerra> RichEd: no i dont have it , he told me that he sent it to you
[05:51] <RichEd> lguerra: I have 15 minutes to finish off some items for my work day and then I have an appointment.
[05:52] <RichEd> lguerra: can you give me an email address ? I will send you an email with a plan of events, and I will copy in mhz
[05:52] <^Ghost2U> ive tried to install dapper 4 times and for some reason dhcp doesn't work, so i can't run ltsp
[05:53] <lguerra> lguerra80@gmail.com
[05:53] <RichEd> okay ... I will send you an email and can you try to find me the same time tomorrow here ? I will have more time then ?
[05:53] <lguerra> RichEd: the girls ask me everyday bout you
[05:53] <RichEd> I will mail you now to confirm
[05:54] <RichEd> lguerra: I will send some information in the email you can share with them :)
[05:54] <lguerra> RichEd: ok
[05:54] <lguerra> RichEd: remember that my utc is -5
[05:55] <RichEd> and also, I have a long email from pips1 and highvoltage about the spanish edubuntu.org so we are discussing this item as well.
[05:57] <lguerra> alright, we talk about this tomorrow 
[06:02] <lguerra> when are you gonna send me the email?
[06:02] <lguerra> so then i can tell this girl who's helping me... to be there by the time it arrives
[06:03] <lguerra> RichEd: when are you gonna send me the email?
[06:03] <lguerra> RichEd: so then i can tell this girl who's helping me... to be there by the time it arrives
[06:03] <RichEd> I
[06:04] <RichEd> lguerra: I'll send you something in the next 10 minutes.
[06:04] <lguerra> ok thanks!!
[06:04] <cbx33> hi all
[06:04] <lguerra> RichEd:  ok thanks
[06:13] <cbx33> oh ogra isnt here
[06:13] <cbx33> do we have any C coders here?
[06:14] <juliux> cbx33, a little c coder ;)
[06:14] <cbx33> hey juliux c an I pm you?
[06:16] <BonBonTheJon> i do some c
[06:17] <sbalneav> ^Ghost2U: What's not working with the dhcpd?  Does it not start?
[06:22] <highvoltage> BonBonTheJon: are you affiliated with JobBonJovi? :)
[06:22] <BonBonTheJon> highvoltage: no, lol
[06:25] <^Ghost2U> nope, not starting
[06:25] <BonBonTheJon> ^Ghost2U: does it give any errors when you try to start it
[06:26] <pips1> sbalneav: I'm trying to debug this fresh server install... thin client fails at pxe dhcp discovery stage. I seems that my second NIC wasn't configured. which is strange, because I tested this with the exact same hardware with a daily 5 days ago and everything worked. 
[06:26] <nixternal> oy, sorry i wasn't a the meeting. i had midterms this morning
[06:27] <^Ghost2U> just says failed
[06:28] <sbalneav> ^Ghost2U: Can you paste your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file to the pastebin?
[06:28] <sbalneav> !pastebin
[06:28] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:28] <sbalneav> pips1: second nic on the thin client, or on the server?
[06:28] <pips1> on the server
[06:28] <sbalneav> If it's the server, you'll have to adjust your dhcpd.conf file in /etc/ltsp.
[06:29] <pips1> but it's supposed to work out-of-the-box ?!
[06:33] <sbalneav> What's the network config for eth0 and eth1?
[06:34] <pips1> sbalneav: my dhcpd.conf is in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27230/
[06:35] <cbx33> !seen ogra
[06:35] <ubotu> I last saw ogra (n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra) 47m 54s ago, quiting: "Verlassend"
[06:35] <cbx33> is he gonna be back?
[06:35] <cbx33> ping Seveas 
[06:35] <RichEd> g'night guys ... meeting with the domestic government = (the wife)
[06:35] <cbx33> nn RichEd 
[06:36] <pips1> cu RichEd
[06:39] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:39] <jsgotangco> its just 12:30am here
[06:39] <pips1> sbalneav: my ifconfig output is in http://paste-ubuntu-nl.org/27234/
[06:39] <sbalneav> Hmmm
[06:39] <sbalneav> I'm timing out on the pastebins
[06:39] <pips1> oh
[06:41] <pips1> erm, sbalneav http://paste.linux-vserver.org/505 for ifconfig
[06:42] <sbalneav> That's eth1, what's eth0?
[06:42] <sbalneav> Not a 192.168.0.xx address, I hope :)
[06:42] <pips1> that's the problem eth0 doesn't show up anywhere, although the NIC is recognised in lspci
[06:43] <sbalneav> Did it recognize during install?
[06:43] <pips1> , sbalneav http://paste.linux-vserver.org/506 for dhcpd.conf
[06:43] <pips1> yes it did, I was shown the "choose primary network interface" question
[06:44] <sbalneav> Sounds like an installer bug.
[06:44] <pips1> yes.. I was just wondering.. since it all worked 5 days ago
[06:44] <sbalneav> What's your primary interface?  i.e. your backbone address.
[06:45] <pips1> jsgotangco: did you have a chance to test the latest daily?
[06:45] <sbalneav> Maybe we're running into a "My backbone's 192.168.0.xx, and I want to configure the ltsp interface as 192.168.0.xx, so things get borked" issue.
[06:46] <pips1> sbalneav: do you mean my router's ip range?
[06:46] <pips1> my router's ip is 192.168.1.1
[06:46] <sbalneav> Hmm, should be ok then.
[06:46] <sbalneav> I'd say it's an installer bug.
[06:46] <pips1> yeah, really strange
[06:46] <pips1> right
[06:47] <pips1> I just wish I could confirm this with someone who has just installed the latest daily...
[06:47] <sbalneav> I could install it again tonight.  It worked ok for me a few days ago.
[06:47] <pips1> cbx33: are you testing the latest daily?
[06:48] <cbx33> pips1, what's up?
[06:48] <cbx33> I can get it and test if you want
[06:48] <pips1> highvoltage: and what about you ^^^ ?
[06:48] <jsgotangco> pips1: i haven't its in my todo list for tomorrow pre-RC though
[06:49] <pips1> cbx33: well, I just did a fresh server install and the second NIC isn't configured so I can't have thin clients at all 
[06:49] <cbx33> hmmm....
[06:49] <pips1> jsgotangco: oki
[06:49] <cbx33> but I can setup a VM with two
[06:49] <pips1> ah, ic
[06:50] <cbx33> what are we on 18 now?
[06:50] <pips1> hmm. maybe I did something wrong during the install. I'll reinstall it before I make a fuss about an installer bug
[06:50] <sbalneav> cbx33: I'm fine, BTW :)
[06:50] <sbalneav> You'll be at MV?
[06:50] <cbx33> no :(
[06:50] <cbx33> work won;t let me go
[06:50] <pips1> well, I rsynced this moring, about 8 hours ago
[06:51] <sbalneav> Suxxors
[06:51] <cbx33> yup
[06:51] <sbalneav> can we rsync images?
[06:51] <cbx33> yes
[06:51] <sbalneav> *really*?
[06:51] <pips1> sbalneav: I'll be at MV. cbx33 was so friendly to let me have his seat :)
[06:51] <cbx33> apparently
[06:51] <sbalneav> I've been downloading fresh everytime!
[06:51] <sbalneav> How does one do this?
[06:52] <cbx33> sbalneav, I always do anyway...as work don;t have an open port for rsync
[06:52] <cbx33> grab ogras rsync script
[06:52] <sbalneav> ok, where?
[06:52] <cbx33> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/
[06:52] <cbx33> rsyncer.sh
[06:52] <cbx33> I did start a GUI for it
[06:52] <cbx33> grasynco
[06:52] <cbx33> but it's unfinished...
[06:53] <sbalneav> oh frabjous day!
[06:53] <cbx33> (I think he's happy)
[06:53] <pips1> hehe
[06:53] <pips1> indeed
[06:54] <highvoltage> pips1: I'm downloading the 17.1 daily
[06:54] <pips1> ic
[06:54] <sbalneav> Whew.
[06:54] <highvoltage> 5 hours 34 minutes remaining
[06:54] <highvoltage> *sigh*
[06:54] <sbalneav> Finally managed to get most of the ltsp updates to the handbook done.
[06:54] <pips1> sbalneav: check the --help options. you can specify to rsync by --arch etc
[06:54] <highvoltage> I'll take it to work and install under vmware tomorrow
[06:54] <sbalneav> committed to svn
[06:55] <pips1> \o/
[06:56] <sbalneav> I'll go through tonight for a quick re-read. 
[06:56] <cbx33> hi nixternal 
[06:56] <cbx33> can you tell me how to fix my images in the handbook?
[06:58] <sbalneav> Be back in a bit.  Need to move servers.
[07:00] <nixternal> i haven't even looked at the images...what is the issue with them?
[07:01] <pawman> hi there, Does anyone know a good program to run over a LAN to chat and use whiteboard that does not go over the internet or though this could be an external option
[07:01] <cbx33> nixternal, they don't show 
[07:01] <cbx33> the directories are changed I think
[07:01] <cbx33> is that all I need tochange?
[07:01] <nixternal> hmm
[07:01] <cbx33> or is it fixed upon make?
[07:01] <cbx33> do we even make..?
[07:01] <nixternal> ya we make
[07:01] <cbx33> thought so
[07:02] <nixternal> it should be fixed in the make...i will take a look at it here in a second
[07:02] <cbx33> check my student control panel page
[07:02] <cbx33> thans
[07:02] <cbx33> thanks#
[07:02] <nixternal> no problem
[07:02] <pips1> pawman: no sorry
[07:02] <pawman> mmm
[07:03] <cbx33> pawman, hmm...
[07:03] <cbx33> does jabber do whiteboard?
[07:03] <pawman> not sure
[07:04] <pips1> highvoltage: ogra asked me to update the edubuntu.org/Download page with a table for all the mirrors by country... Now, I can copy paste the table from ubuntu.com, but I'll need to adjust all links to go to the edubuntu subdir... can you possibly help me out with a little bit of 'sed' magic or smth?
[07:05] <pips1> any sed and awk experts around? :)
[07:05] <cbx33> not an expert but what can i do to help
[07:05] <cbx33> what's the input and desired output
[07:05] <highvoltage> pips1: in cases like these I just copy and paste it into gedit and do a simple search and replace :)
[07:06] <cbx33> hehe
[07:06] <cbx33> good call highvoltage 
[07:06] <highvoltage> pips1: sed is a bit overkill :)
[07:06] <pips1> well, I need to figure it out exactly, but I think we'll need to add / change the path of all links
[07:06] <cbx33> sed rawks
[07:06] <pawman> can jabber run only in an internal network?
[07:06] <cbx33> pips1, mind if I take a look?#
[07:06] <highvoltage> pawman: if you want it to
[07:06] <cbx33> pawman, I think you can setup your own internal servers
[07:06] <pawman> Instant messaging will work
[07:06] <highvoltage> pawman: yes
[07:06] <cbx33> if you just want a central admin to message someone then Student Control Panel does that in edubutnu in edgy
[07:06] <highvoltage> pawman: by default a jabber server doesn't talk to other jabber servers
[07:07] <pawman> Wow cool!  Do I just download it and put it on the server
[07:07] <pips1> cbx33: well, ogra basically wants this http://www.ubuntu.com/download but with links to the according edubuntu dirs...
[07:08] <cbx33> ahhh
[07:08] <pawman> or Does jabber just use SIP
[07:09] <pips1> cbx33: however, I'm not familiar with the directory structure on the mirrors. Are they all standardised? they should be, right?
[07:09] <cbx33> no that's what I was thinking
[07:09] <cbx33> do they all have edubuntu
[07:09] <highvoltage> pawman: you can apt-get install it on ubuntu :)
[07:10] <cbx33> pips1, http://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/ubuntu.iso/edubuntu/edgy/
[07:10] <cbx33> seems to be the way to go
[07:10] <cbx33> http://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/ubuntu.iso/edubuntu/
[07:11] <pawman> I've got gentoo on the server?  Is there a version for that
[07:11] <cbx33> pawman, I've no idea
[07:11] <cbx33> try #jabber
[07:11] <pips1> cbx33: not sure if I got you there...
[07:11] <cbx33> pips1, http://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/ubuntu.iso/edubuntu/
[07:12] <cbx33> replace the 6.06 with edubuntu
[07:12] <pawman> thanks
[07:13] <cbx33> pips1, make sense now?
[07:13] <pips1> I'm not sure if this works for all mirrors, I just checked this one and it works rather differently? http://planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu/releases/6.06/
[07:13] <cbx33> pips1, no it's the same
[07:13] <cbx33> goto http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu/releases/
[07:14] <cbx33> into the parent
[07:14] <cbx33> and you'll see edubuntu
[07:14] <pips1> ah, you need to add the /edbuntu/ in-between the /releases/ and /6.06.1/
[07:14] <cbx33> try doing a find/replace on the code for 6.06/ to edubuntu/6.06/
[07:14] <cbx33> yes
[07:14] <pips1> right
[07:14] <pips1> ok, will do
[07:14] <^Ghost2U> got it!
[07:15] <cbx33> or which ever version he's talking about
[07:15] <pips1> and then I can use my cool new firefox plug-in to quickly open all links in tabs :)
[07:15] <cbx33> ooooh
[07:16] <cbx33> did you write it pips1 ?
[07:16] <pips1> openselectedlinks
[07:16] <pips1> no, I didn't!
[07:16] <^Ghost2U> it was my /etc/ltsp3/dhcpd.conf
[07:17] <pips1> I'm only recently getting into discovering firefox plugins... so handy
[07:17] <pips1> https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/841/
[07:20] <pips1> a useful plugin for quickly visually comparing nice site designs is "Firefox Showcase" https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1810/ 
[07:21] <^Ghost2U> gotta go to work, laters
[07:21] <cbx33> pips1, ooooh nice
[07:22] <adrian_> Have you heard about the trouble Firefox is making? google iceweasel ! I was surprised
[07:25] <pips1> adrian_: interesting
[07:25] <cbx33> bbl
[07:29] <adrian_> pipsl: It is perhaps a cautionary tale for any software that starts life on Linux and then gets Lured into the Windows world
[07:30] <highvoltage> adrian_: it actually started life on Windows :)
[07:30] <highvoltage> adrian_: and the trouble comes more from incompatible policies between Debian and Mozilla than anything else
[07:36] <adrian_> Good point :) 
[07:45] <sbalneav> Does anyone know a way to coerce firefox into changing the "close tab" button back to one on the right hand side, as opposed to a close tab button on each tab?
[07:45] <sbalneav> Because re-training muscle memory is a pain.
[07:50] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I don't think there's an option for that yet :-/
[07:50] <sbalneav> !
[07:50] <sbalneav> Foo
[07:52] <sbalneav> I know there was a spec for "tab unification", i.e. make tabs behave the same in all applications.  What would be REALLY nice would be if there was a setting in the control panel somewhere, where you could say: [ ]  individual close button [ ]  single close on left [X]  single close on right.
[07:52] <sbalneav> Then all tab interfaces would conform to that.
[07:53] <sbalneav> that would be saweet.
[07:53] <sbalneav> Hey Hedgie
[07:53] <sbalneav> svn update on the docs.  I'm proofreading my stuff now :)
[07:54] <pips1> nice ideas about the tab unification 
[07:58] <pips1> would be great to have it unified for gnome too, think gedit, etc
[07:59] <cbx33> hehe
[07:59] <Amaranth> ?
[07:59] <cbx33> funny I prefer per window buttons :p
[07:59] <cbx33> hey pips1 did it work?
[07:59] <Amaranth> have what unified?
[07:59] <sbalneav> pips1: That's what I was thinking: any gnome-aware app would treat tabs the same way.
[08:00] <pips1> Amaranth: <sbalneav> Does anyone know a way to coerce firefox into changing the "close tab" button back to one on the right hand side, as opposed to a close tab button on each tab?
[08:00] <Amaranth> ah
[08:01] <Amaranth> there is an epiphany plugin that makes it have it like firefox used to
[08:01] <Amaranth> it makes the tabs shrink instead of having a scrollbar too
[08:01] <Amaranth> but it doesn't set a maximum size so unless you have a bunch of tabs open it looks weird
[08:13] <cbx33> Amaranth, ooh ooh really
[08:13] <cbx33> I hate that stupid scrolling thing
[08:13] <Amaranth> yeah
[08:14] <cbx33> if you could link me .... petesavage@ubuntu.com
[08:14] <cbx33> when you have a sec
[08:14] <Amaranth> http://www.sstuhr.dk/epiphany-extensions/
[08:14] <cbx33> that'd be GREAT !
[08:14] <cbx33> you rock
[08:14] <cbx33> thanks Amaranth 
[08:14] <Amaranth> it almost works like firefox anyway
[08:15] <Amaranth> the X button is in the toolbar instead of the tab bar
[08:17] <sbalneav> HedgeMage: pingity
[08:17] <sbalneav> nixternal: or pingity you
[08:32] <sbalneav> !seen ogra
[08:32] <ubotu> I last saw ogra (n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra) 1h 11m 57s ago, quiting: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
[08:38] <HedgeMage> sbalneav: I'm kinda here, what's up?
[08:38] <sbalneav> hey, a goodly chunk of the docs have been adapted from ltsp.org doco.
[08:39] <sbalneav> We should attribute Jim McQuillan somewhere, as he wrote some of the original doco.
[08:39] <pygi> hello folks
[08:39] <cbx33> hey pygi 
[08:39] <sbalneav> Where would be the logical place to put copyrights/attributions in the doco?
[08:44] <sbalneav> HedgeMage: any idears?
[08:44] <HedgeMage> sbalneav: ask pygi 
[08:44] <HedgeMage> sbalneav had a good question, pygi 
[08:45] <pygi> yes Hedgie? :)
[08:45] <HedgeMage> pygi:  sbalneav> Where would be the logical place to put copyrights/attributions in the 
[08:45] <HedgeMage>                   doco?
[08:45] <pygi> well, since we have authors already, I'd say put it under that, with following notice:
[08:46] <pygi> Special thanks to:
[08:46] <pygi> Jim McQuillan
[08:46] <pygi> bla bla
[08:46] <pygi> bla bla :)
[08:49] <sbalneav> Do we have an authors section in the handbook?
[08:51] <pygi> sbalneav: I think we do
[08:52] <pygi> if we don't feel free to add it
[08:52] <sbalneav> ok
[09:02] <pips1> highvoltage: ing
[09:02] <pips1> ppp
[09:02] <highvoltage> pips1: ong
[09:02] <highvoltage> eth
[09:02] <pips1> hehe
[09:03] <nixternal> [13:39:22]  <sbalneav> Where would be the logical place to put copyrights/attributions in the doco?
[09:03] <pips1> will you be testing the server install on a machine with two NICs?
[09:03] <nixternal> there are files already that contain all that info for Ubuntu Documentation
[09:03] <nixternal> sorry...preparing for more midterms
[09:03] <highvoltage> pips1: I would normally test with one, but testing with two won't be any more effort, so I can do that
[09:04] <pips1> because there seems to be a new bug in the installer that forgets to configure the second NIC... I would like someone to be able to confirm this..
[09:05] <highvoltage> pips1: what's the second nic supposed to be configured as?
[09:06] <pips1> note, when you have two NICs, the installer will ask you which one you want to use as "primary network interface" <-- this is the outbound (internet facing) NIC
[09:06] <highvoltage> ah, I see
[09:06] <pips1> it will then automatically configure the second one as LTSP network NIC
[09:06] <highvoltage> pips1: ok then I'll definately check, because if it does that it will probably do it in Ubuntu too, which sounds like a bit of a serious bug
[09:07] <pips1> ^^^^ but the bug I encounter actually doesn't configure the second NIC as it did in the daily build 5 days ago :-/ 
[09:08] <pips1> ok, great
[09:09] <pips1> I'll write ogra a short email about my finding, and I will also remark that you'll also test this..
[09:11] <pips1> oh, and what is my @edubuntu.org email address? what is used as the name before the @? Is it the wiki name? or philipp or what?
[09:12] <highvoltage> launchpad name
[09:13] <highvoltage> so in your case, philipp-din15@edubuntu.org
[09:13] <highvoltage> but I think you can ask on #launchpad that they change that for you
[09:13] <pips1> but what is the launchpad name? ah. that's a bit bizarre
[09:14] <pips1> oh, I can simply change my launchpad name?!
[09:15] <highvoltage> I don't know.
[09:15] <highvoltage> I think even if you change it now, it will take the lp name you had whn you were added to the tem
[09:16] <pips1> I'll try to change the LP name and see what happens
[09:17] <pips1> ah, my name is already taken
[09:20] <cbx33> pips1, use www.dnsstuff.com at the bottom to check if your mailbox exists
[09:23] <pips1> cbx33: oh, that's useful. thanks!
[09:27] <pips1> hmm, my mail bounced
[09:27] <BonBonTheJon> i found an error in the handbook, how do i fix it
[09:30] <pips1> good question, how is that ^^^^ currently handled? HedgeMage? nixternal?
[09:30] <nixternal> you can grab the svn checkout, locate the file with the error, fix it, and email me a patch if you would like, or you can point out the error, and i can fix it quickly is possible
[09:30] <pips1> BonBonTheJon: they aren't currently here.. I think you need to join the documentation team to get access to the svn repository... not sure
[09:31] <BonBonTheJon> thanks pips1
[09:31] <pips1> ah
[09:31] <nixternal> hehe
[09:31] <pips1> thanks nixternal
[09:31] <nixternal> no problem
[09:32] <BonBonTheJon> nixternal: oh, sorry, i didnt see yours since you didnt say my name
[09:32] <nixternal> my apologies on that one
[09:32] <stelis> nixternal: Hi
[09:33] <nixternal> hi stelis
[09:33] <BonBonTheJon> nixternal: in Why Edubuntu?, in Compatible, halfway there is a ? in front of OpenOffice
[09:33] <stelis> Can I ask a couple of question about DocBook entities?
[09:33] <nixternal> sure
[09:33] <pips1> ack, all my test emails are bouncing back..
[09:33] <nixternal> bouncing back from lists?
[09:34] <stelis> Cheers. I've poking around and the libs/edubuntu.ent file seems to have obsolete entities
[09:34] <stelis> It specifies Breezy Badger
[09:34] <nixternal> ooh, good eye
[09:35] <nixternal> i will gix that asap
[09:35] <BonBonTheJon> nixternal: did you get mine too
[09:35] <stelis> It is the main place for custom entities, then?
[09:35] <pips1> nixternal: no, I'm trying to figure out what my new @edubuntu.org mail address is :-)
[09:35] <nixternal> i will fix that too ;)
[09:36] <nixternal> pips1: did you just get membership today?
[09:36] <pips1> yep
[09:36] <nixternal> congrats!
[09:36] <pips1> ta!
[09:36] <pips1> :)
[09:36] <nixternal> anywho, you need to give it a few days for it to kick in
[09:36] <pips1> right
[09:36] <nixternal> there is a script that will run and create the account for your automagically
[09:37] <nixternal> you can test it later today, or again tomorrow, and just keep and eye out on it
[09:37] <pips1> do you happen to know if changing my launchpad name will change my email address too?
[09:37] <nixternal> that i don't know about
[09:37] <pips1> I'll ask in #launchpad then..
[09:37] <nixternal> need to check with one of the admins many...i don't know, but maybe newz2000 would be able to answer that one
[09:37] <nixternal> ya
[09:37] <nixternal> or #launchpad
[09:38] <stelis> nixternal: I was also going ask about a new entity for the title of the Hand Book itself (if there isn't one already)
[09:39] <nixternal> well, the reason we wouldn't create an entity for the title, is because Handbook can be translated, and if we make it an entity, then it would skip translation
[09:39] <stelis> Hmm
[09:39] <stelis> So I'd probably be better saying "this document" 
[09:40] <stelis> Rather than referring to the title
[09:40] <nixternal> this document, or this handbook, yes..that will be fine
[09:41] <stelis> OK, thanks 
[09:42] <BonBonTheJon> is the dhcp client really called ipconfig
[09:42] <stelis> That's just a utility
[09:42] <nixternal> nope
[09:42] <BonBonTheJon> not to be confused with ifconfig?
[09:43] <nixternal> errr.
[09:43] <nixternal> i just caught that
[09:43] <sbalneav> It is called ipconfig.
[09:43] <BonBonTheJon> ok
[09:43] <nixternal> ya, i was thinking ifconfig
[09:43] <nixternal> ;)
[09:43] <sbalneav> I ripped apart the initramfs and checked.  
[09:44] <BonBonTheJon> ok, thank sbalneav
[09:44] <sbalneav> Anyone who's looking at the handbook, should svn update.  I've been committing changes all day.
[09:45] <sbalneav> at 35 here at my end currently. 
[09:45] <stelis> sbalneav: Thanks
[09:45] <BonBonTheJon> sbalneav: if i find errors, how do i submit changes
[09:46] <sbalneav> Well, you'd either have to email one of us, or ask HedgeMage to set you up an account on the svn archive.
[09:47] <BonBonTheJon> sbalneav: who should I email
[09:47] <sbalneav> HedgeMage
[09:48] <BonBonTheJon> ok, whats the address
[09:49] <sbalneav> Don't know.  She's on LP, so you could hunt for it there.
[09:49] <nixternal> sbalneav: it is at 36 now ;)
[09:50] <sbalneav> So it is.
[09:51] <ogra> cbx33: hmm, you didnt file the bug about the failed logins on first attempt yet
[09:52] <pygi> BonBonTheJon: how may I help you?
[09:52] <ogra> cbx33: could you do so, so i can mark it critical enough to be fixed before release ?
[09:52] <BonBonTheJon> pygi: what should I do about errors I find
[09:52] <ogra> (with the error from .xsession-errors if possible)
[09:52] <pygi> BonBonTheJon: submit a diff to me for example :P
[09:53] <BonBonTheJon> pygi: and I could write a rough draft for the networking overview
[09:53] <BonBonTheJon> pygi: how do i do that
[09:53] <pygi> BonBonTheJon: just write it in pure text, and mail it to me
[09:53] <BonBonTheJon> pygi: address
[09:54] <pygi> mario dot danic at gmail dot com
[09:54] <pips1> ogra: it looks as if there is a new bug.. my second NIC did get configured during install..
[09:54] <pips1> *didn't
[09:54] <BonBonTheJon> pygi: and how do I do a diff
[09:54] <ogra> pips1: hmm
[09:54] <pygi> BonBonTheJon: uh, just send me what needs changing :)
[09:54] <BonBonTheJon> pygi: ok
[09:54] <ogra> all my install testes were fine so far here, what kind of NIC ?
[09:55] <pips1> it's an old 3com NIC, it worked fine with the daily build 5 days ago...
[09:55] <ogra> well, nothing changed in the code
[09:55] <ogra> not the last days 
[09:56] <pips1> how strange.
[09:56] <pips1> (oh, rather, the NIC is a netgear FA311.)
[09:56] <ogra> yep
[09:56] <ogra> should work as well
[09:57] <ogra> but the other NIC is configured fine ?
[09:57] <pips1> my first hunch was also that there's a problem with the hardware, cabling... or stm
[09:57] <pips1> h
[09:57] <pips1> hmm
[09:57] <ogra> that doesnt matter
[09:57] <ogra> the code only checks /proc/net/dev
[09:58] <ogra> where every interface the kernel sees should be listed
[09:58] <pips1> yes, the first interface is fine. I can surf the web ok
[09:58] <ogra> and its really not configured or is it only not started ?
[09:59] <ogra> (is there any trace of it in /etc/network/interfaces ?)
[09:59] <pips1> no mention of eth0 there at all
[10:00] <LaserJock> wahoo! I got Edubuntu on my intel iMac
[10:00] <ogra> did you have both for selection at the start of the install ?
[10:00] <pips1> I chose eth1 as the primary interface during install
[10:00] <pips1> yes
[10:00] <ogra> hmm
[10:00] <pips1> the nic also shows up on lspci ok
[10:00] <ogra> are you sure you did a default install ? 
[10:00] <pips1> yes
[10:00] <ogra> not a workstation or something ?
[10:00] <pips1> I even redid the install a second time
[10:00] <ogra> which arch ?
[10:01] <pips1> amd64
[10:01] <ogra> hmm, i just tested amd64 before 
[10:01] <ogra> worked fine, i even tried out an i386 chroot with teh default ltsp setup that was installed
[10:01] <pips1> I asked highvoltage to try to verify this when he tests later..
[10:02] <ogra> but i test with an orinoco wlan card and a realtek gigE card ... 
[10:03] <pips1> I'm using the onboard nForce3 gigabit nic and the said netgear FA311 pci NIC
[10:04] <ogra> and the nforce works ?
[10:04] <pips1> but as mentioned before, it worked like a charm with the daily build from a few days ago..
[10:04] <ogra> the only thinng i can imagine here is the kernel has changed
[10:04] <pips1> right
[10:04] <ogra> could you try flipping teh interfaces and see if the 3com works at all ?
[10:04] <pips1> worth a try
[10:05] <pips1> erm, how do I flip the interfaces?
[10:05] <stelis> BonBonTheJon: Were you talking about the "Networks and Networking" section?
[10:05] <ogra> edit /etc/network/interfaces :)
[10:05] <ogra> change eth1 to eth0 
[10:05] <stelis> I've just started to write to it :)
[10:06] <pips1> heh
[10:06] <ogra> oh, and befgore ifdown eth1
[10:06] <ogra> else you cant bring it down if it doesnt exist in the file 
[10:06] <BonBonTheJon> stelis: yeah, "Basic Concepts: Networks and Networking"
[10:06] <stelis> OK. Can you read DocBook at all?
[10:07] <stelis> I can post the snippet I've got so far on a server
[10:07] <BonBonTheJon> stelis: what do you mean? I am viewing the handbook in yelp
[10:07] <stelis> See if you want to develop it
[10:07] <stelis> Sorry - DocBook is the file format
[10:07] <BonBonTheJon> stelis: it doesn't matter, I was just offering, trying to fill in some holes
[10:08] <pips1> ogra: after changing eth1 to eth0, I tried ifup eth0 and I got "Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0""
[10:08] <ogra> aha
[10:08] <stelis> BonBonTheJon: Not at all - please do
[10:09] <stelis> Hold on and I'll post something readable
[10:09] <BonBonTheJon> stelis: I haven't tried Edubuntu yet, but I know some stuff about networks
[10:09] <stelis> Cool.
[10:10] <stelis> I've only being running Edubuntu for 4 days, so I'm not an expert by any stretch
[10:11] <pips1> so what next?
[10:12] <BonBonTheJon> stelis just pastebin it
[10:12] <BonBonTheJon> !pastebin
[10:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:15] <stelis> ubotu: Thanks - I didn't no about that
[10:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Thanks - I didn't no about that - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:15] <stelis> or know about it
[10:15] <BonBonTheJon> stelis: lol, ubotu is a bot
[10:15] <nixternal> holy cow today is a busy day
[10:16] <stelis> :)
[10:16] <nixternal> im studying for midterms, and doing every bit of documentation for like 4 or 5 projects
[10:16] <nixternal> and then i have to get release notes ready for teh RC release tomorrow
[10:16] <BonBonTheJon> nixternal: where do you go to schooll
[10:16] <nixternal> and I have to take midterms...hahaha
[10:16] <pygi> nixternal: my exams in two days :)
[10:16] <nixternal> i have had exams all week so far
[10:16] <nixternal> im in chicago BonBonTheJon
[10:16] <cbx33> ogra I did file it
[10:17] <cbx33> I'm sure I did
[10:17] <cbx33> also how am I supposed to make a 16 colour file when, the palette is 256?
[10:17] <BonBonTheJon> where do you go pygi
[10:17] <BonBonTheJon> I go to Thomas More, a small college near Cincinnati
[10:17] <cbx33> ogra, I don;t have the gstreamer line here....I'll add that omorrow when I get work
[10:17] <cbx33> is that ok?
[10:17] <pygi> BonBonTheJon: I'm in a beautiful little country called Croatia :)
[10:17] <BonBonTheJon> stelis: whats the address of your pastebin
[10:18] <BonBonTheJon> pygi: one thing I love about linux is you get to talk to people all around the world
[10:18] <stelis> nixternal: I've done Release Notes before, if you need a hand
[10:18] <ogra> cbx33: i added the bug ...
[10:18] <stelis> BonBon: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27259/
[10:18] <pips1> ogra: what about my nic prob?
[10:19] <stelis> DocBook is XML
[10:19] <cbx33> oh ok
[10:19] <ogra> cbx33: put your line to if you have it 66808 
[10:19] <cbx33> sorry dude
[10:19] <stelis> Which is why this lookms like HTML
[10:19] <cbx33> i will have it tomrorow
[10:19] <ogra> *to 66808
[10:19] <ogra> gaim is weird for irc
[10:19] <BonBonTheJon> stelis: is there a DocBook editor
[10:20] <cbx33> ok ogra I've added that
[10:20] <cbx33> will get that done first hing tomorrow
[10:20] <ogra> pips1: do you know from teh top of your head what module usually is used for the netgear ?
[10:20] <cbx33> now about his image
[10:20] <stelis> BonBon: gedit sorts of understands it
[10:20] <BonBonTheJon> stelis: how about Kate
[10:20] <stelis> Hardcore folks uses Emacs
[10:20] <pips1> ogra: no
[10:20] <stelis> BonBon: Probably even better
[10:20] <BonBonTheJon> stelis: I still havent figured out emacs
[10:20] <BonBonTheJon> stelis: good
[10:20] <cbx33> ogra, I'll also run another test tomorrow witha  fresh cd build
[10:21] <cbx33> ogra, what do I do about the usplash image
[10:21] <nixternal> well, these are the Kubuntu release notes, which thank god, haven't changed to much since beta
[10:21] <cbx33> they cannot both share a 256 colour palette
[10:21] <ogra> make one with black background and only the logo as is 
[10:21] <ogra> and index that to 16 cols
[10:21] <nixternal> which reminds me, anyone check out the latest KDE Edu updates, and the cool new Oxygen icons ;)
[10:21] <stelis> BonBon: Emacs has a steep learning curve 
[10:21] <cbx33> ok
[10:21] <nixternal> a very steep learning curve
[10:22] <cbx33> i thought you said that the palettes all had to 
[10:22] <cbx33> match
[10:22] <BonBonTheJon> I'll just use Kate
[10:22] <ogra> i dont think they have to ... ask Seveas
[10:22] <stelis> It'll be an operating system once it's finished :)
[10:22] <BonBonTheJon> but I need to go
[10:22] <BonBonTheJon> talk to you all later
[10:22] <ogra> he knows such stuff :)
[10:22] <nixternal> LaserJock got me hooked on Emacs and this diary/wiki/addressbook/do it all note taker a couple of months back...and it seems I forgot all about it and how to use Emacs at the same time
[10:23] <LaserJock> hmm, me too :-)
[10:23] <Seveas> what do I know?
[10:23] <cbx33> ok ogra doing it now
[10:23] <cbx33> the 16 colour usplash fallback image
[10:23] <stelis> BonBon: I'll update the pastebin before I finish, so that you've got the latest
[10:23] <cbx33> it can't have the same pallete as the 256 colour ones
[10:23] <Seveas> cbx33, correct
[10:23] <cbx33> ok
[10:23] <Seveas> it needs a 16-color palette
[10:24] <cbx33> only curious
[10:24] <Seveas> cbx33, and for the sake of yourown sanity: son't use a .png progressbar on the 16-color theme
[10:24] <cbx33> what should I use?
[10:24] <cbx33> I'm just gonna supply ogra with the base image?
[10:24] <Seveas> just specify 2 colors in the theme to draw a simple progress bar
[10:25] <Seveas> ogra, btw: I finally received the usplash artwork in usable form 
[10:25] <cbx33> ogra, 16 colour doesn't look bad as it is
[10:25] <cbx33> are you sure want the black background?
[10:25] <Seveas> if you need something done for the edubuntu splash, let me know and I'll do it first thing tomorrow
[10:25] <cbx33> I'll send you both
[10:26] <ogra> cbx33: i dont think it scaloes nicely
[10:26] <ogra> *scales
[10:26] <cbx33> oh....well I'll send you both...you pick
[10:26] <ogra> the 640x400@16 one will be shown on all amd64's 
[10:27] <cbx33> ok
[10:28] <cbx33> ogra they're on their way
[10:29] <cbx33> ogra, they are flying to you now
[10:29] <cbx33> got them?
[10:31] <cbx33> going afk
[10:31] <cbx33> bbl
[10:31] <cbx33> ping me if it's not right
[10:35] <pygi> BonBonTheJon: in subject, write BIG FAT : "Edubuntu Handbook"
[10:43] <pips1> I had a look to see if anyone else has filed a bug related to NICs... nothing. Only bug 31914 might be even remotely in the area of the problem, but not really. I'm out of my depth.
[10:47] <pips1> I'm off for today, cu tomorrow
[10:48] <sbalneav> ogra: From the posts on edubuntu-users, looks like LDAP's gonna be a biiiiig priority in MV.
[10:49] <ogra> sbalneav: i hope so :)
[10:49] <ogra> thats one of my targets 
[10:49] <lucasvo> yeah, cool!
[10:49] <sbalneav> Who else would be a driver on that one?
[10:49] <sbalneav> Tollef?
[10:49] <lucasvo> I managed to install phpldapadmin, setup pam ldap, but it somehow doesn't really work yet
[10:49] <ogra> whiprish states it explicitly on the UDS wikipage
[10:49] <lucasvo> I'd be glad if ubuntu could help out
[10:50] <ogra> *whiprush
[10:50] <sbalneav> Whuprish
[10:50] <ogra> tollef will be the most knowledgeable for it i guess
[10:50] <ogra> but we have the best people there for the task 
[10:50] <ogra> thom may is coming, he's a great server guy
[10:51] <ogra> moquist is a great ldap guy ...
[10:51] <ogra> i'd say we have the creme de la creme :) how can we miss :)
[10:52] <sbalneav> My thoughts exactly.
[10:52] <sbalneav> It's a slamdunk
[10:55] <stelis> ogra: Could you post a link for that UDS page? I was actually thinking about writing a spec for LDAP support...
[10:55] <stelis> But it sounds like people are well ahead already
[11:00] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView
[11:01] <stelis> ogra: Thanks.
[11:02] <ogra> we'll need two specs, a general one for an ldap/kerberos setup for ubuntu and a more specific one for a proper preconfiguration for edubuntu setups ...
[11:03] <Burgwork> ogra: I am going to be writing an LDAP spec
[11:03] <ogra> one for a network authentication client setup is already done since several releases, but was never implemented properly
[11:03] <ogra> Burgwork: funny, me too :)
[11:03] <Burgwork> given I just went through serious pain at work setting it up
[11:03] <ogra> we'll drown in ldap specs i guess :)
[11:03] <ogra> there are so many people intrested in it this time
[11:03] <Burgwork> as long as we only write one
[11:04] <Burgwork> whiprush and wasabi are expecting me to write the specs
[11:04] <ogra> we'll need two as i said above
[11:04] <ogra> a general one and one for the specisfic setup changes ... 
[11:04] <ogra> at least from an edubuntu POV
[11:04] <Burgwork> stelis: can you create the framework and then I can edit as needed
[11:04] <Burgwork> stelis: for the general LDAP one
[11:05] <Burgwork> there is a bunch of work that Novell is doing as well
[11:05] <Burgwork> in GNOME
[11:10] <cbx33> ogra, 
[11:10] <cbx33> damn missed him again
[11:12] <pygi> cbx33: !!!
[11:12] <cbx33> hey pygi 
[11:12] <cbx33> I said hi earlier....you must have missed it
[11:12] <pygi> hey once again cbx33 :)
[11:12] <cbx33> heheh
[11:12] <cbx33> going afk again
[11:12] <cbx33> bbl
[11:12] <pygi> lol
[11:12] <pygi> wait :P
[11:17] <sbalneav> Heading home for the day.  Be on later.
[11:19] <stelis> Burgwork: Sorry for the delay in replying - I left my desk for a bit.
[11:20] <stelis> If it's useful I'll try to draft something. How do I let you know when?
[11:21] <Burgwork> stelis: ping me
[11:22] <stelis> OK.
[11:22] <stelis> It may be a couple of days.
[11:52] <pygi> jono: hey
[11:53] <jono> hey
[11:54] <LaserJock> hey jono
[11:54] <jono> hey LaserJock 
[12:02] <LaserJock> wow, there sure are a lot of governance and community specs for UDSMV
[12:03] <pygi> LaserJock: I'm still not sure mine specs will ever be accepted since I dont go to UDS :(
[12:03] <pygi> and they are all kinda important
[12:03] <LaserJock> well then I'm sure they'll be there :-)
[12:03] <pygi> dunno really :) I was supposed to explain how libburn & stuff works
[12:12] <pygi> LaserJock: basicly we lost a lot of specs :(
[12:12] <LaserJock> why?
[12:13] <pygi> well, 'cause they won't be discussed
[12:13] <pygi> and some of them are not really trivial
[12:13] <LaserJock> why are we losing specs though
[12:13] <LaserJock> we discuss what we can
[12:13] <LaserJock> and do the rest when we can :-)