[06:08] <sladen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo needs a redirect, It's fifth for  http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+livecd+customise
[06:08] <Burgundavia> sladen: fix it
[06:08] <Burgundavia> it is a wiki
[06:09] <Burgundavia> 'cause we haven't thought about that much
[06:10] <sladen> This probably requires a visit to the 404 logs
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[06:37] <nixternal> doh
[06:37] <nixternal> wrong chan
[06:42] <Madpilot> nixternal, no, that could have gone into nearly any IRC channel ;)
[06:43] <nixternal> ya, but i try to stay "somewhat on topic" around here
[06:43] <sladen> oops.  the wiki returns 200 Success even for non-existant pages
[06:43] <nixternal> my bip server died..so im back with local irc, and my channel locations are goofy
[06:44] <sladen> nixternal: /window layout save  or somesuch in irssi
[06:44] <nixternal> well, with bip, the irc proxy, window layout doesn't work for you, as you get your layout from the server
[06:44] <nixternal> that way there, no matter how many clients, or which clients i connect with from anywhere in the world, to my server, i get the same setup
[06:45] <nixternal> but that server went up in a blaze of glory today due to our wonderful comed electric company
[09:03] <mdke___> morning
[10:30] <dholbach> hey fellas
[10:30] <dholbach> seems there are some .omf files missing in ubuntu-docs 6.10.2 - does anybody know something about them?
[07:20] <nixternal> bug 64245
[07:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64245 in kubuntu-docs "Kubuntu Desktop Guide - Video/Kino Using Ubuntu Menu Structure" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64245
[07:21] <nixternal> i can fix that now, and fix it in everyone of the translation files as well, if that is OK
[07:38] <dholbach> it seems there are some .omf files missing in ubuntu-docs 6.10.2 - does anybody know something about them?
[07:52] <pepsiman> there are lots of .omf files in svn.  (I know nothing about them)
[07:54] <dholbach> pepsiman: aroung 6 are installed in ubuntu-docs 6.10.2
[07:54] <dholbach> seems they don't get installed
[07:54] <pepsiman> they all reference the C version of the docs (no idea if that matters)
[07:55] <nixternal> which docs are missing them?
[07:55] <pepsiman> nixternal: all
[07:55] <nixternal> doh
[07:58] <nixternal> hmmm...it seems the omf files for the docs are on the svn server
[07:59] <nixternal> not all docs have a omf file mind you
[08:23] <pepsiman> the omf files are there in dapper
[08:35] <nixternal> pepsiman, which guide to be specific?
[08:36] <pepsiman> I'll nopaste
[08:37] <pepsiman> http://rafb.net/paste/results/4onsZM11.html
[08:42] <pepsiman> nixternal: see what I mean?  all guides are missing lots of .omf files
[08:45] <nixternal> that is because we just put translations into ubuntu
[08:45] <nixternal> into edgy rather
[08:46] <nixternal> so, if and when they update the ubuntu-docs package for edgy, and grab the latest svn commits, then all of the omf files will be there
[08:47] <pepsiman> ubuntu-docs (6.10.2) edgy; urgency=low
[08:47] <pepsiman> * Adding translations for all documents
[08:47] <pepsiman> This is from the version I have installed
[08:47] <pepsiman> -- Matthew East <mdke@ubuntu.com>  Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:30:00 +0100
[08:49] <pepsiman> The .omf files were added on Friday the 13th Oct
[08:49] <pepsiman> There has been an ubuntu-docs package update since then, they are not in it
[08:50] <nixternal> interesting
[08:50] <nixternal> there in svn
[08:50] <nixternal> i wonder if there is reasoning behind it
[08:56] <pepsiman> the .omf files are in the source of the package
[08:57] <pepsiman> Only the C .omf files are in debian/install
[09:00] <nixternal> hmm...well, we will have to take that up with mdke on why he did it like that
[09:00] <pepsiman> dapper's debian/install has ann the .omf files
[09:00] <nixternal> im wondering if he just forgot to add them, or if there is some reasoning behind not adding them
[09:00] <pepsiman> I think he just forgot
[10:03] <nixternal> ahh. mr. mdke_! ;)  hey, i just created patches for Riddell for the Kubuntu Desktop Guide and Release Notes, to fix 2 bugs (also fixed the .pot files included). I did this at the kubuntu-docs package level. Is it alright if I make the changes and commit them on the server?
[10:04] <nixternal> i know the desktop guide has been translated, but the fix in it is is <guimenu> fix that should be easy to do for all of them i believe
[10:04] <mdke_> nixternal: erm!
[10:04] <mdke_> you can't change a translated string a week before release, the translators don't have time to do that
[10:04] <nixternal> didn't think so
[10:04] <nixternal> so leave the edgy branch alone then
[10:05] <mdke_> if he's uploaded already, it's too late
[10:05] <nixternal> well, he updated the package
[10:05] <mdke_> if he's uploaded already, it's too late
[10:06] <nixternal> actually, the version #'s and urls are translated though are they?
[10:06] <nixternal> s/are/aren't
[10:06] <mdke_> entities aren't
[10:06] <mdke_> but if the pot file changed, that means you must have changed a string
[10:07] <nixternal> ya, i changed a string...ok, i get it better now
[10:09] <mdke_> nixternal: so he's uploaded the string change?
[10:09] <nixternal> mdke_: ok, a little better news, he hasn't uploaded, as he doesn't know if they will get approved
[10:09] <nixternal> no he hasn't
[10:09] <nixternal> you want me to pull him in here
[10:09] <mdke_> if you like
[10:09] <nixternal> ok, i just did
[10:14] <nixternal> hrmm..he sure is taking his sweet time ;)
[10:15] <nixternal> i told him, that with the changes we made, there wouldn't be enough time for translations, and that when translations do come back, they will only break what we just fixed
[10:16] <mdke_> I don't know about the second part, but the first part is right
[10:24] <nixternal> well, ya, it wouldn't break what we fixed now that i think about it
[10:24] <nixternal> since we only fixed the C/
[10:24] <mdke_> you said you generated a new pot file
[10:25] <nixternal> in the source package yes
[10:25] <nixternal> mind you, i didn't make changes to svn stuff
[10:25] <nixternal> just to the package itself, and would make changes, only if it was OK by you first
[10:25] <mdke_> so the translators will see the untranslated strings
[10:25] <nixternal> that is correct
[10:25] <mdke_> svn doesn't matter a jot, it's the package that matters
[10:25] <nixternal> oh ok
[10:26] <nixternal> would you like to take a look at the patch i created against the package?
[10:26] <mdke_> no, that's ok
[10:26] <nixternal> hehe
[10:26] <mdke_> when you upload a package with a pot file, Rosetta imports it automatically
[10:26] <mdke_> the translators then see any changes in the strings
[10:27] <nixternal> ahhh
[10:27] <mdke_> if we don't download anything more from Rosetta, nothing will break, but it's a bit unfair on the translators to change a string then leave it unchanged in other languages 
[10:27] <nixternal> very true
[10:27] <mdke_> is everything downloaded from Rosetta?
[10:28] <nixternal> the desktopguides, server guide, and packaging guide
[10:28] <mdke_> I did aboutkubuntu
[10:28] <nixternal> then that as well
[10:28] <mdke_> releasenotes apparently isn't imported yet
[10:28] <nixternal> i fixed the makefile for pdfs today...i went to bed early last night, and didn't get a chance
[10:28] <mdke_> oh cool
[10:28] <nixternal> kubuntu makefile
[10:29] <nixternal> it seems you did the ubuntu one already
[10:29] <nixternal> for desktopguide
[10:29] <mdke_> I did the Ubuntu one for them all
[10:29] <nixternal> ok
[10:29] <mdke_> I'll check the kubuntu stuff now, thanks for doing that
[10:29] <nixternal> no problem
[10:30] <mdke_> erm. It's not looking great :)
[10:30] <nixternal> uh oh
[10:30] <mdke_> xsltproar --xinarlude
[10:31] <mdke_> xsltprobn --xinbnlude
[10:31] <nixternal> arg
[10:31] <mdke_> etc
[10:31] <nixternal> ok...i will fix that really quick
[10:31] <mdke_> you can remove the lulu targets, to simplify things
[10:31] <nixternal> well now i knod the autoreplace for a selection "C" to "whatever" doesn't work to well
[10:32] <mdke_> yes, especially if you don't do it case sensitive :)
[10:32] <nixternal> heh, i bet i had that unchecked ;)
[10:32] <pepsiman> mdke_: Only the C *.omf files are being installed
[10:34] <mdke_> pepsiman: thanks
[10:35] <mdke_> can't believe I missed that
[10:36] <mdke_> crap, what a PITA
[10:37] <nixternal> hehe, mdke_ that is why i waited for you to come around, as i was like, it is hard for me to believe he would forget that, maybe there is a reason ;)
[10:38] <pepsiman> mdke_: also, is this a problem?  http://rafb.net/paste/results/RPYCAU55.html
[10:38] <nixternal> heh, nice commit message i just left ;)
[10:40] <mdke_> pepsiman: yes
[10:42] <mdke_> pepsiman: just packagingguide, or others too?
[10:43] <pepsiman> desktopguide, packagingguide, serverguide
[10:44] <mdke_> holy crap.
[10:44] <pepsiman> aboutubuntu and getting-help are ok
[10:44] <mdke_> ok. I'll look at that
[11:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66819 in ubuntu-docs "[Edgy]  The documentation appears untranslated" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66819
[11:05] <mdke_> heh
[11:13] <pepsiman> mdke_: re bug 66581 The only word I'd change for an en_GB translation is "customize" => "customise"
[11:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66581 in ubuntu-docs "en_GB translation of default home page linked to en_US" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66581
[11:13] <mdke_> pepsiman: me too.
[11:14] <nixternal> lol
[11:16] <pepsiman> nixternal: en_GB is the most complete translation in edgy
[11:17] <nixternal> no, im laughing at the bug about what you brought up earlier and is currently getting fixed
[11:17] <pepsiman> ah
[11:17] <pepsiman> 2 hours 40minutes of translation time left
[11:17] <nixternal> ya, the whole en and en_GB switching the z's to s's gets me when im typing at times now...i am like, do i use a z or a s ;)
[11:18] <pepsiman> an s
[11:19] <mdke_> all brits know what customize means, and (all?) americans know what customise means 
[11:20] <pepsiman> that would apply to all en_GB translations
[11:21] <nixternal> mdke_: very true
[11:21] <nixternal> well, (some!) americans ;)
[11:22] <mdke_> pepsiman: no, I find some americanisms irritating. Some have become more common in en_GB than others