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| lguerra | @schedule bogota | 04:02 |
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| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Bogota: 18 Oct 07:00: Edubuntu | 19 Oct 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Oct 14:00: Accessibility Team | 25 Oct 15:00: Edubuntu | 26 Oct 02:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 07 Nov 15:00: Technical Board | 04:02 |
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| GNAM | @schedule ROME | 10:53 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Rome: 18 Oct 14:00: Edubuntu | 20 Oct 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Oct 21:00: Accessibility Team | 25 Oct 22:00: Edubuntu | 26 Oct 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 07 Nov 21:00: Technical Board | 10:53 |
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| stgraber | @schedule Zurich | 10:57 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 18 Oct 14:00: Edubuntu | 20 Oct 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Oct 21:00: Accessibility Team | 25 Oct 22:00: Edubuntu | 26 Oct 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 07 Nov 21:00: Technical Board | 10:57 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 18 Oct 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 23 Oct 19:00 UTC: Accessibility Team | 25 Oct 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 07 Nov 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | ||
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| pips1 | hey flint | 01:52 |
| flint | yo | 01:53 |
| pips1 | flint: will you vote for me? | 01:54 |
| flint | absoultely... | 01:54 |
| pips1 | I'm applying to become an official edubuntu member | 01:54 |
| pips1 | :) | 01:54 |
| pips1 | how is it going anyway? | 01:55 |
| flint | Working on my new house and Lab facilities in Barre Vermont. It is coming along... | 01:55 |
| flint | What has happened around here lately? | 01:56 |
| pips1 | well, we are in the midst of the general pre-release rush madness... testing edgy... | 01:56 |
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| RichEd | @schedule johannesburg | 01:58 |
| jsgotangco | okayyy just sending a reply... | 01:58 |
| Seveas | RichEd, bot server is down | 01:59 |
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| RichEd | thanks seveas ... I'll keep a local log | 01:59 |
| flint | @schedule johannesburg | 02:00 |
| flint | RichEd, Top of the morning... | 02:00 |
| cbx33 | can you forward the log to me when done RichEd | 02:01 |
| RichEd | sure cbx33 | 02:02 |
| RichEd | just calling the last of the troops from #edubuntu | 02:03 |
| pips1 | here, sir! | 02:03 |
| RichEd | ogra: will you kick off with technical ? | 02:03 |
| ogra | well, not much to say ... | 02:03 |
| ogra | PLEASE TEST THE RC ISOS !! | 02:04 |
| RichEd | grrretings uberluitenant schroder | 02:04 |
| highvoltage | hi all! | 02:04 |
| rodarvus | :) | 02:04 |
| pips1 | hehe | 02:04 |
| ogra | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Testing/Current has a testing matrix and all infos you need ! | 02:04 |
| ogra | thats it with tech :) | 02:04 |
| RichEd | well I'll add in some tech from my side then ... | 02:05 |
| pips1 | ogra: how many edubuntu bugs are on your platter currently? | 02:05 |
| rodarvus | <ogra> "ok, meeting is adjourned" | 02:05 |
| flint | ogra, Oliver, that is damned efficient... | 02:05 |
| RichEd | As we wind up Edgy ... we start all over again with Edgy+1 ... | 02:05 |
| ogra | hesy flint | 02:05 |
| ogra | *hey too | 02:05 |
| ogra | btw, is the fill EC here ? | 02:05 |
| flint | ogra, at your service my friend. | 02:05 |
| ogra | *full | 02:05 |
| RichEd | I've put a call out in the edubuntu-devel and edubuntu-users mail to start suggesting features | 02:06 |
| highvoltage | ogra: I think LaserJock is asleep | 02:06 |
| cbx33 | yup I think he is | 02:07 |
| ogra | gah | 02:07 |
| RichEd | We'll need to collect a wish list from the wider audience, and then work through them here and in #edubuntu to make a short list for discussion at UDS | 02:07 |
| ogra | he said he'd be here | 02:07 |
| highvoltage | (well, he's not on IRC, so he must be ;) ) | 02:07 |
| rodarvus | he said he would come to the EC meeting this week | 02:07 |
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| RichEd | If anyone here is not on one of those lists, please ping me and I will send you the emails. | 02:07 |
| ogra | rodarvus, right | 02:07 |
| ogra | RichEd, i wont put up my specs before release i guess ... | 02:08 |
| pips1 | ogra: ? | 02:08 |
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| ogra | pips1, none ? | 02:09 |
| ogra | at least Rc ones | 02:09 |
| RichEd | No problem ogra ... this is for loose debate about what people would like to see in an ideal world. I expect people will email ideas, and we will then tighten up in to launchpad features. | 02:09 |
| sbalneav | Morning | 02:09 |
| RichEd | hello sbalneav | 02:09 |
| highvoltage | hi sbalneav | 02:09 |
| flint | sbalneav, good morning from Vermont USA | 02:09 |
| sbalneav | Morning flint! | 02:10 |
| pips1 | ogra: I can confirm https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/66726 | 02:10 |
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| RichEd | We must allow all people to offer comments and then we will consolidate into a realistic list. | 02:10 |
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| flint | pips1, I believe the colors in http://librarian.launchpad.net/4888746/IMG_1978.JPG are perfect for the Halloween release.... :^) | 02:11 |
| highvoltage | RichEd: how does that work? should people send you a list or is there a wiki page? | 02:11 |
| pips1 | flint: hehe | 02:11 |
| RichEd | We're just going with mail lists for say a week, and then we can start formally herding the cats. | 02:12 |
| highvoltage | ok | 02:12 |
| ogra | pips1, whats wrong with it ? its modern art :P | 02:12 |
| RichEd | Not all users will be confortabke with wiki editing ... we may lose comments due to techno or fear of techno hurdles | 02:12 |
| RichEd | *comfortable | 02:12 |
| ogra | pips1, a fix is underway for usplash ... i'm just waiting for the final ubuntu theme stuff | 02:12 |
| pips1 | ogra: ic | 02:13 |
| RichEd | The same thing with launchpad ... not every education person will be happy logging a feature request, and we also don't want duplicates. | 02:13 |
| ogra | its using 16colors ... and seems not to like cbx33's 256 color pics :) | 02:13 |
| pips1 | RichEd: what you are saying makes sense to me | 02:13 |
| RichEd | An area of definate need is to look at "how do we extend the current Edubuntu with a good Primary School fit to Secondary and Tertiary/University". That's a good example for a debate. | 02:13 |
| flint | RichEd, your testers and advance folks are all basically uber-geeks (or uber-geeks in training) they should know how to screw up a wiki... | 02:14 |
| === ogra doubts every user tested out the capabilities we already have for that | ||
| highvoltage | ogra: I looked at the current edubuntu firefox homepage again, does it need any updating besides the version number? | 02:14 |
| RichEd | It's not really just a feature request, it's applications as well, it may bring in LaserJocks dynamic menus, it may bring in artwork choices etc. | 02:14 |
| highvoltage | ogra: a link to schooltool would still be nice if schooltool is installed, but I think that might be a bit complicated? | 02:15 |
| ogra | we already have different themes for the different age groups ... but i doubt any admin ever runs sudo dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork to set it | 02:15 |
| ogra | LaserJocks dynamic menus were part of that, yes | 02:15 |
| ogra | but also the universe-education metapackages we planned | 02:16 |
| RichEd | So maybe the answer is a GUI to manage ? that sort of debate is good ... it will at least bring the options into people's minds | 02:16 |
| ogra | well, we have a gui | 02:16 |
| RichEd | to swop themes ? | 02:16 |
| flint | ogra, I must be getting old...running that command does not seem unreasonable to me.. | 02:16 |
| ogra | alacarete just needs a plugin or something to manage the grouped menus | 02:16 |
| ogra | i know LaserJock and Amaranth discussed that very extensive aslready | 02:16 |
| ogra | *alacarte | 02:17 |
| ogra | RichEd, oh, to swop themes ... well | 02:17 |
| RichEd | I didn't mean for us to debate the features now ... just to raise the request for suggestions. When testing is done, we can have a long meeting with sidebar discussions on specific topics. | 02:17 |
| ogra | currentlyx thats dont in the edubuntu-artwork package | 02:17 |
| ogra | i'd rather have an option during install to preselect the right setup | 02:17 |
| ogra | but our menu iws full | 02:18 |
| ogra | *is | 02:18 |
| RichEd | to paly devils advocate, there may be schols where they teach at both levels and want to swop dynamically | 02:18 |
| RichEd | *play | 02:18 |
| ogra | right, thats not implemented yet and must be done on another level | 02:18 |
| === pips1 wonders if we are following any meeting agenda today | ||
| RichEd | But I know now is testing time ... so my comments are just a heads up. | 02:19 |
| pips1 | :) | 02:19 |
| flint | RichEd, that is a version of the GIN game... where we needed to swap languages dynamically... | 02:19 |
| ogra | the theme selection from edubuntu-artwork isnt implemented as i want it due toi the space issue with the menu | 02:19 |
| RichEd | Still on tech pips1 | 02:19 |
| ogra | these are two different things | 02:19 |
| flint | ogra, the concept of dynamic switching of art, level and language is what I mean... | 02:19 |
| flint | ogra, i don't know maybe more stuff needs to a dynamic capbility just a thought. | 02:20 |
| RichEd | I hope as a first step, people will describe behaviour they would like to see. We then would look at how best to implement it. Some of the requests may group into the same technical solution. | 02:20 |
| === pips1 thinks that there is no hope for following any sort of sane meeting agenda with flint in the room | ||
| pips1 | :) | 02:21 |
| ogra | flint, yes, but one is the system default (which i'd like to be choosen on the installer level) and one is user specific | 02:21 |
| flint | pips1, no doubt | 02:21 |
| ogra | the latter should be driven by some kjind of gnome desktop profile or so | 02:22 |
| RichEd | So I am done with tech from my side ... when testing is done next week ... we can dig into the next features topic. In the meanwhile, mail suggestions to the list. | 02:22 |
| flint | ogra, this is not an easy or quick fix or concept. | 02:22 |
| ogra | flint, exactly | 02:22 |
| ogra | thats something we should spec in MV | 02:22 |
| flint | ogra, I fully intend to have my lab online and testing. This will take work. It is located in an old horse stall. | 02:22 |
| === ogra puts it on his whiteboard | ||
| === highvoltage wants one too | ||
| ogra | highvoltage, ikea 3.50 | 02:23 |
| RichEd | Note that some of the requests we get may end up being things to be addressed at an Ubuntu level. In that case we are just a channel from the Education audience to our upstream | 02:23 |
| flint | highvoltage, be careful for what you wish for Jonathan... | 02:23 |
| pips1 | highvoltage: what? a whiteboard or a horse stall? | 02:23 |
| ogra | haha | 02:23 |
| flint | hehe | 02:23 |
| highvoltage | pips1: lol, a whiteboard. | 02:24 |
| ogra | RichEd, that totally depends .. | 02:24 |
| flint | highvoltage, quit stalling... | 02:24 |
| highvoltage | pips1: I have one, but it's full and I can't take anything off, so I need a new one | 02:24 |
| ogra | i think there are many many areas where we cant exactly split | 02:24 |
| flint | ogra, we all need to test before we can pester you in any meaningful way, this i fully intend to do. | 02:25 |
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| RichEd | No one is suggesting a split ... I think it's just language we are haggling over. That's the reason for a face to face meeting so we can without keyboards and interruptions ;) | 02:25 |
| RichEd | So any more tech topics ? | 02:26 |
| RichEd | TECHNICAL DOCUMENTATION ------------------------- | 02:26 |
| === jsgotangco squints his eyes...split? | ||
| pips1 | jsgotangco: sssshhhhhtt :) | 02:26 |
| RichEd | HedgeMage and Nixternal are working hard on the Handbook to get it ready as close to release date as possible. | 02:26 |
| RichEd | We are even talking about getting it published in hard copy via lulu.com | 02:27 |
| RichEd | That's the good news. | 02:27 |
| flint | RichEd, where are the galleys? | 02:28 |
| RichEd | The sad news is that HedgeMage wants to move back into more developer volueteer work ... and we will need some new blood to help out. | 02:28 |
| RichEd | flint: I'll dig up the latest list | 02:28 |
| flint | RichEd, sweet. | 02:28 |
| ogra | also i'd like to get notifications if any documentation is in a packageable state | 02:28 |
| sbalneav | As a note, I've been working on bringing the LTSP side of the doco up to date. I'll finish in the next few days. | 02:29 |
| RichEd | So if anyone is keen to help out, or knows anyone who can help, please let me know. | 02:29 |
| ogra | edubuntu-docs is still an empty package in universe | 02:29 |
| RichEd | Let me dig up nixternal's build ... brb | 02:29 |
| ogra | well, i doubt it can go into edgy ... | 02:30 |
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| ogra | but for edgy+1 please keep me up to date if there is docs that can be packaged ... | 02:30 |
| flint | ogra, the problem with docs and space is you need then available on the disk in "N" number of languages eh? | 02:31 |
| ogra | well, i'd be happy to ship at least an english version for the beginning | 02:31 |
| ogra | currently all we have is the firefox startpage | 02:31 |
| ogra | there are no docs | 02:32 |
| jsgotangco | :( | 02:32 |
| flint | ogra, what sort of space budget are you thinking about? | 02:32 |
| ogra | and we'll likely solve the CD space problem for edgy+1 one or the other way | 02:32 |
| flint | ogra, I know this is an unreasonable question :^) | 02:32 |
| ogra | so we should have plenty of space for docs in the future | 02:32 |
| stgraber | RichEd: I told nixternal that I'm interested to help a bit with the doc, but I never worked on something like that, so it can take a while before I can work efficiently. | 02:32 |
| RichEd | great stgraber : we are relying mainly on nixternal and Hedgemage to wrap up for Edgy ... with whatever help they can get. | 02:33 |
| jsgotangco | hmm ive seen a lot of svn activity for edubuntu docs the past few days though | 02:34 |
| flint | The real problem with docs is that the pictures eat a lot. The text to pix in space is 10 or 20 to 1. | 02:34 |
| === jsgotangco checks | ||
| RichEd | Hedgemage will then move to an "Executive Editor" role where she will give guidance, but reduce her actual work load. | 02:34 |
| RichEd | She will not disappear, but wean herself off ... and remain available. | 02:34 |
| ogra | well, she told me she wants to go for MOTU at some point | 02:35 |
| RichEd | We hope to spread the load as well ... more people, with a co-orindanating head, rather than one workhorse witha huge load. | 02:35 |
| === highvoltage thinks an editor is a good idea | ||
| ogra | so we'll have her for packaging and development | 02:35 |
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| RichEd | ogra: she will do all of waht is required, until we find a replacement ... so she will do a good handover ... and remain as an emergency backstop. | 02:36 |
| RichEd | *what | 02:36 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 02:36 |
| jsgotangco | looking at the handbook in svn | 02:36 |
| jsgotangco | its pretty nice | 02:36 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Edubuntu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 23 Oct 19:00 UTC: Accessibility Team | 25 Oct 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 07 Nov 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | ||
| ogra | RichEd, well, as i understood her she wants to move over to more development as well | 02:36 |
| jsgotangco | a wee bit empty though | 02:36 |
| ogra | right, not ready to ship it yet | 02:37 |
| ogra | i dont want to have half breeded documentation on the CD | 02:37 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: where are you loojking ... I'm still struggling to find the link nixternal gave me the other day | 02:37 |
| RichEd | *looking | 02:37 |
| ogra | but i expect it to be complete enough so we can ship it in feisty | 02:37 |
| jsgotangco | its on the docteam svn | 02:37 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: that's not possible with its state | 02:38 |
| pips1 | oh, so that's what edgy+1 will be called | 02:38 |
| ogra | right | 02:38 |
| jsgotangco | i see it more viable on edgy+1 | 02:38 |
| ogra | right | 02:39 |
| pips1 | what about sbalneav's ltsp documentation though? | 02:39 |
| highvoltage | ogra: the feisty what? | 02:39 |
| RichEd | found the link: http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/handbook/C/ | 02:40 |
| RichEd | that's nixternals latest state of play for the docs | 02:40 |
| ogra | highvoltage, the feisty something ... i cant leak *everything* | 02:40 |
| pips1 | the documentation will be available online, though, or not? | 02:40 |
| ogra | ;) | 02:40 |
| highvoltage | ogra: :-D | 02:40 |
| jsgotangco | pips1: i think it should | 02:40 |
| jsgotangco | unless we make the documenation readable from the cd | 02:40 |
| jsgotangco | instead of post-install | 02:41 |
| sbalneav | The lts.conf variables section is wrong. What I've been currently working on is going through the list of valid lts.conf parms, and updating the docs accordingly. | 02:41 |
| === highvoltage bows to sbalneav | ||
| pips1 | especially the ltsp.conf bits... otherwise ogra and sbalneav will get pounded by the same questions over and over | 02:41 |
| cbx33 | sorry guys, had to pop out to assist someone | 02:41 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: that has been much needed, the world of edubuntu thanks you | 02:41 |
| sbalneav | NP | 02:41 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm | 02:42 |
| === pips1 lifts his imaginary hat off to sbalneav | ||
| jsgotangco | this thing has nice sections though | 02:43 |
| RichEd | ogra: please check out this link: it is looking a whole lot more complete than whan I last looked on Friday. | 02:43 |
| RichEd | http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/handbook/C/ | 02:43 |
| sbalneav | I need to head off to work in about 5 minutes. Will my inclusion vote be put off to next week? | 02:43 |
| flint | jsgotangco, I sort of like nixternal's toolbase... | 02:43 |
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| jsgotangco | flint: its pretty doable in edgy+1 really | 02:43 |
| ogra | sbalneav, inclusion vote ? | 02:44 |
| sbalneav | Wasn't I supposed to be voted on edubuntu membership this week? | 02:44 |
| ogra | arent you a member since weeks ? | 02:44 |
| RichEd | stgraber: can you send me an email please so I can include you in the doc volunteer loop. | 02:44 |
| RichEd | riched@ubuntu.com | 02:45 |
| sbalneav | Don't think so, thought it needed a vote. | 02:45 |
| ogra | oh, no, you arent, | 02:45 |
| ogra | sbalneav, we'll have the EC studff at the end of the meeting ... | 02:45 |
| === jsgotangco votes for sbalneav in advance for being so cool | ||
| ogra | so it should be safe for you unless you sit in a traffic jam for yours :) | 02:45 |
| ogra | *hours | 02:45 |
| sbalneav | I'll check in when I get to work. If not this week, then next :) | 02:46 |
| stgraber | RichEd: You already received one about "Ubuntu and Education: Which Ubuntu variant are you using ?" a few minutes ago | 02:46 |
| sbalneav | It's not like I'm going anywhere :) | 02:46 |
| rodarvus | heh | 02:46 |
| sbalneav | Anywho, expect to see me back on in 1/2 hour | 02:46 |
| RichEd | Thanks stgraber ... too much multi-tasking to add 2 and 2 at the moment :) | 02:46 |
| stgraber | RichEd: :) | 02:46 |
| RichEd | So any other documentation volunteers or comments before we move to artwork ? | 02:47 |
| RichEd | ARTWORK ------------- | 02:47 |
| RichEd | cbx33 & ogra ... artwork comments ? | 02:48 |
| cbx33 | nothing from me | 02:48 |
| ogra | we'll need another 640x400 16 color usplash theme | 02:48 |
| cbx33 | unless someone is expecting something | 02:48 |
| cbx33 | ogra: oh really? | 02:48 |
| RichEd | looks like ogra is | 02:48 |
| ogra | see bug 66726 | 02:48 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 66726 in usplash "edubuntu artw ork has funny colors on amd64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/66726 | 02:48 |
| cbx33 | hmm....ok | 02:48 |
| ogra | seems many (or all) amd64 systems cant handle 256 colors | 02:48 |
| ogra | so we'll need a fallback | 02:49 |
| ogra | worst i can take the old artwork, but something new would be preferable | 02:49 |
| === highvoltage wonders why that would happen on amd64 | ||
| cbx33 | ok | 02:49 |
| jsgotangco | yeah that's pretty weird | 02:49 |
| ogra | (thats nothing for RC, but must be fixed before tuesday next week) | 02:49 |
| cbx33 | ok | 02:50 |
| Kamion | highvoltage: the x86emu stuff in usplash has trouble with amd64 nvidia systems, so we made it use vga16 on amd64 as a workaround | 02:50 |
| cbx33 | I have the files on my machine at home so I can do that when I get in | 02:50 |
| ogra | Kamion, depending on nvidia | 02:50 |
| ogra | ? | 02:50 |
| ogra | or generally for all amd64 systems | 02:50 |
| highvoltage | Kamion: aah, thanks for the insight | 02:50 |
| jsgotangco | thats interesting | 02:51 |
| === ogra tries tzo determine the amount of brokeness | ||
| ogra | *to | 02:51 |
| Kamion | ogra: I think the bug only manifested on nvidia, but the fix was to switch to the bogl backend and at present that has to be a choice made at compile-time, so can't be graphics-card-specific, only architecture-specific | 02:51 |
| RichEd | any more artwork ? | 02:53 |
| pips1 | erm, I have ati radeon 9600 and I got stung by bug 66726 | 02:53 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 66726 in usplash "edubuntu artw ork has funny colors on amd64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/66726 | 02:53 |
| ogra | Kamion, thanks, so we'll have it on all amd64's | 02:54 |
| Kamion | right, afaik | 02:54 |
| ogra | pips1, we dont have a 16 color pic yet | 02:54 |
| cbx33 | but we will have | 02:54 |
| ogra | so thats the right behavior, i'm astoniished it shows something at all ... | 02:55 |
| pips1 | sure, just wanted to point out that it happens with ati graphics card | 02:55 |
| Kamion | pips1: yes, it will | 02:55 |
| ogra | i'd have expacted a black screen if it cant find something for the right resolution | 02:55 |
| pips1 | ah | 02:55 |
| ogra | *expected | 02:55 |
| ogra | but it apparently takes the 640x480 version and tries to show it | 02:56 |
| Kamion | ogra: I don't think usplash checks the theme's colour depth | 02:56 |
| ogra | Kamion, no, i know, but we also dont ahve a 640x400 pic | 02:56 |
| ogra | and i didnt expect it to just pick 640x480 :) | 02:57 |
| === pips1 looks at the clock and notes that we are 1 h into meeting :) | ||
| ogra | right ... | 02:58 |
| ogra | no more artwork from my side | 02:59 |
| RichEd | COMMUNITY AND DOCUMENTATION AND WEB ------------- | 02:59 |
| ogra | Memory Edubuntu, being a GNU/Linux based operating system, makes efficient use of memory. The usual formula that's used for adding memory to a thin client server is: | 02:59 |
| ogra | 256 + (60 * users) MB | 02:59 |
| ogra | wow thats wrong | 02:59 |
| ogra | (from the handbook) | 02:59 |
| highvoltage | gees, that's very wrong :( | 03:00 |
| highvoltage | it should be closer to 512 + (128 * users) | 03:00 |
| ogra | it also explains PXE and etherboot very detailed ... we support both out of the box ... no explanation needed | 03:00 |
| jsgotangco | i guess they haven't seen jim's server sizing wiki | 03:00 |
| jsgotangco | 60MB for gnome heh | 03:01 |
| ogra | yeah | 03:01 |
| highvoltage | even with xfce that's too little these days | 03:01 |
| flint | jsgotangco, icewm maybe... | 03:01 |
| ogra | i count on sbalneav here :) | 03:01 |
| jsgotangco | flint: heh the only place ive seem icewm used in production is with a cash register heh | 03:02 |
| highvoltage | flint: icewm would probably be fine, but things like firefox... not | 03:02 |
| flint | jsgotangco, I like cash! | 03:02 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: community side, well on my part, still doing the software thingie on top of edubuntu | 03:02 |
| flint | highvoltage, I agree the formula is broke... | 03:02 |
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| RichEd | Thanks jsgotangco .... just waiting for the sidebar thread to die down. | 03:03 |
| flint | think that docs need to be tested just like releases... | 03:03 |
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| cbx33 | LaserJock: hey dude | 03:03 |
| LaserJock | sorry, sorry, sorry :/ | 03:03 |
| flint | RichEd, sorry... | 03:03 |
| RichEd | LaserJock: hi there | 03:03 |
| pips1 | ogra: where did you quote that handbook thing from? drupal site or wiki ? link? | 03:03 |
| RichEd | no problem ... | 03:04 |
| ogra | LaserJock, perfectly in time ;) | 03:04 |
| ogra | pips1, from the link RichEd gave me | 03:04 |
| RichEd | right : COMMUNITY AND DOCUMENTATION AND WEB ------------- | 03:04 |
| RichEd | By now most you you should know that I am on a drive to find people using any Ubuntu product for Education, and bring them into our community. | 03:04 |
| ogra | http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/handbook/C/p2-hardware.html | 03:04 |
| pips1 | ic, thanks | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | i cannot do much for this late in the cycle except do some stuff on the webpage since i have access to drupal but someone might be doing that already so | 03:04 |
| ogra | right, i was asked from the DC admins that we fix the download page and add all mirrors | 03:05 |
| ogra | we only have one link there | 03:05 |
| jsgotangco | do we still do release notes and stuff with edubuntu being a special one? (ltsp and all) | 03:05 |
| ogra | yes, for the final release | 03:05 |
| jsgotangco | ok doable on my side | 03:06 |
| ogra | for the milestones we were just covered by the general notes | 03:06 |
| ogra | also note that we have a "prerelease of ltsp 5" now ... | 03:06 |
| ogra | its not just muecow or the ubuntu ltsp ;) | 03:06 |
| jsgotangco | ohhh | 03:06 |
| jsgotangco | fuse and the works | 03:06 |
| ogra | we're officially allowed to call it 5.0pre | 03:07 |
| jsgotangco | ohhh that's nice | 03:07 |
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| highvoltage | ogra: is that what the debian version of the ltsp package will be called? | 03:07 |
| ogra | feisty will have 5.0 then if we did the final merge steps | 03:07 |
| pips1 | jsgotangco: note that I'm not doing any content changes on the drupal site and I don't know anyone that would help, so any help much appreciated. Also, I can't really tell what changed on the technical side in depth, so it would be good for someone to proof read on that side... | 03:07 |
| jsgotangco | pips1: cool let's rock it then | 03:08 |
| ogra | highvoltage, http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5 its what upstream will call it | 03:08 |
| ogra | debian and we will just take over the name ... | 03:08 |
| ogra | and i'll make sure the package versioning will reflect it in feisty | 03:09 |
| highvoltage | ogra: I understand, I'm just wondering where we'll actally see 5.0pre on the edubuntu system. | 03:09 |
| ogra | highvoltage, in the announcements and docs | 03:09 |
| highvoltage | ogra: gotcha | 03:09 |
| ogra | the edgy ltsp is ltsp 5.0pre | 03:09 |
| ogra | feisty will be ltsp 5.0 | 03:09 |
| ogra | its important to point out that we didnt do a fork but implemented the next gen ltsp ... | 03:10 |
| LaserJock | OT: is "feisty" offical? | 03:10 |
| ogra | guess :P | 03:10 |
| === highvoltage guesses not | ||
| === ogra wont say anything more about release names :) | ||
| jsgotangco | we'll say "edubuntu 6.10 now has ltsp5.0pre" or something like that | 03:11 |
| Kamion | there'll be an announcement when it's official | 03:11 |
| pips1 | ogra: highvoltage anyone else: do we need to update the website and wiki pages for the release? is there any to do list of sorts? | 03:11 |
| Fujitsu | sabdfl mentioned it in one of his specs today. | 03:11 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, exactly | 03:11 |
| highvoltage | pips1: yes, the screenshots need to be updated to reflect new artwork and changes in software | 03:11 |
| highvoltage | pips1: ESA will also need an update | 03:11 |
| ogra | pips1, i'll try to get a list together ... we should have upgrade notes as well | 03:11 |
| ogra | also for the people that used ltsp 4.2 with edubuntu .. | 03:12 |
| ogra | (i.e. see the discussion in #edubuntu) | 03:12 |
| highvoltage | pips1: I'm busy rsyncing now, I'll take as much screenshots as possible over the weekend | 03:12 |
| pips1 | ESA ? | 03:12 |
| highvoltage | Edubuntu School Advocacy... | 03:12 |
| RichEd | I have nominated willvdl to be the documentation co-ordinator ... to make sure that the handbook and ESA and web etc. all tell the same story. | 03:12 |
| highvoltage | pips1: it's called 'Using Edubuntu' on the website | 03:13 |
| RichEd | He will not take away the work from each area, but will make sure it all fits cohesively. | 03:13 |
| RichEd | That's not in place yet, but we need to set up a process of what needs to be checked each release. | 03:13 |
| RichEd | Can I get back to community quickly, and then we can start wrapping ? | 03:14 |
| pips1 | ogra: regarding the ltsp 4.2 upgrade notes: it would take me a long time to compile what was said into a guide, so I'd be much better if you are someone who actually understands it, writes the upgrade notes :) | 03:14 |
| ogra | indeed | 03:15 |
| pips1 | ack, my grammer :) | 03:15 |
| highvoltage | pips1: I could put it into a short technical guide, but I'm a bt pressed for time at the moment to do a nice user-readable one. so if there's someone slightly technical that could read it and dress it up, that would be good. | 03:15 |
| ogra | i didnt mean you need to write them :) | 03:15 |
| pips1 | and spelling ;-) | 03:16 |
| highvoltage | pips1: absolutelllly | 03:16 |
| pips1 | pffft | 03:16 |
| ogra | RichEd, s/wrapping/EC-ing/ | 03:16 |
| RichEd | ??? say what ogra ?? | 03:17 |
| pips1 | ogra is saying in his very own way that we shouldn't wrap yet, but have an EC now | 03:18 |
| pips1 | :) | 03:18 |
| ogra | right | 03:18 |
| RichEd | I needed to just get my community stuff in the open ... let me do that with a cut & paste. | 03:18 |
| ogra | s/// is a code replacement command (you'll see it very often for corrections in -devel) | 03:19 |
| RichEd | By now most you you should know that I am on a drive to find people using any Ubuntu product for Education, and bring them into our community. I've sent a mail to the edubuntu-devel list asking what Ubuntu people are using and where, and have had quite a few responses already. It is interesting to note that the first response was from a Kubuntu user. | 03:19 |
| RichEd | Also this sort of thing: | 03:19 |
| RichEd | News about 5000 student machines installed with dual-boot XP and Ubuntu 6.06 | 03:19 |
| RichEd | http://linuxfr.org/2006/10/16/21479.html | 03:19 |
| RichEd | Or the google transalte version in english | 03:19 |
| RichEd | http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Flinuxfr.org%2F2006%2F10%2F16%2F21479.html&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools7 | 03:19 |
| RichEd | And we've found a really positive pocket of Ubuntu in a High School in the US, in the state of Indiana, which is one of the few States (or only State) which has an open source advocacy policy at government level. | 03:19 |
| RichEd | So people & projects like the above may be useing a different desktop to us, but they still share many issues in common with us and can give us help from their own experiences. | 03:20 |
| Riddell | RichEd: are you aware of the projects in the canary islands? | 03:20 |
| RichEd | Nope Riddell send details ! | 03:20 |
| RichEd | For example, if we are looking for the requirements for Secondary schools for Edubuntu Edgy+1, we can learn a lot from people who have customised a vanilla Ubuntu install with their own selection of applications. | 03:20 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: have you seen that edubuntu book in indonesia | 03:20 |
| RichEd | Which teachers are already using. | 03:20 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: toosa ... yep | 03:21 |
| RichEd | So, last few lines: | 03:21 |
| RichEd | I've created: #ubuntu-education | 03:21 |
| flint | RichEd, Maine and New Hampshire are worth mentioning as LTSP areas of use. | 03:21 |
| RichEd | topic: Ubuntu Education : Education Topics Across any Ubuntu Product : Edubuntu - Kubuntu - Ubuntu - Xubuntu : Ping or mail RichEd : See: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-education | 03:21 |
| RichEd | And the mail list above ^^^ | 03:21 |
| RichEd | I'll be talking to Jono about "advertising the new list" to the locos and #kubuntu and #ubuntu peopke who may be in education | 03:22 |
| RichEd | *people | 03:22 |
| RichEd | And will fridge it next week. | 03:22 |
| LaserJock | got a forum? | 03:23 |
| RichEd | PLEASE NOTE that any Edubuntu topics should stay in #edubuntu ... we do not want to fragment the existing community. | 03:23 |
| RichEd | Anyone who joins #ubuntu-education should also stay in #edubuntu ! | 03:23 |
| LaserJock | we (science guys) just got an "Education & Science" subforum on ubuntuforums.org. That might be useful | 03:23 |
| RichEd | LaserJock: under way ... will bring it up nexy week. | 03:24 |
| pips1 | LaserJock: not yet, but we are planning on having forums in the new community site... | 03:24 |
| LaserJock | k | 03:24 |
| pips1 | LaserJock: good to know | 03:24 |
| RichEd | Excellent LaserJock ... we have a lot of resources and people whop are out there, but it is a bit difficult to find them all. A lot of what we are doing will be about a map to existing things. | 03:24 |
| LaserJock | like there was just a thread asking about apps for high school biology | 03:25 |
| ogra | RichEd, you already fragment the community by that step | 03:25 |
| pips1 | ogra: ? | 03:25 |
| RichEd | ogra: explain ? | 03:25 |
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| ogra | well, you split up into products instead of tasks | 03:25 |
| flint | RichEd, I agree with ogra even ubuntu-education takes away from this effort | 03:25 |
| ogra | ubuntu vs edubuntu | 03:25 |
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| ogra | while i'd see edubuntu as the point where all educational stuff for *buntu would go on | 03:26 |
| RichEd | it's not about one vs the other, it s about people who are using any ubuntu product in education ... and they will help us improve edubuntu as a niche product which is ready for education out of the box | 03:26 |
| flint | RichEd, keep things simple the Bush administration has taught us a lot about fragmentation... | 03:26 |
| ogra | right | 03:27 |
| RichEd | the trouble is that we have people who use Kubuntu in education and who go straight to #kubuntu and don't conme near our #edubuntu channel | 03:27 |
| flint | RichEd, the idea is to start at the Edubuntu concept and move into either LTSP or mainstream *buntu. | 03:27 |
| ogra | its no complaint, but until now people who would have searched for educational stuff in *buntu would have contacted edubuntu in some way | 03:27 |
| ogra | i.e. ML or IRC | 03:27 |
| RichEd | All educational roads will lead to Edubuntu as the education product. | 03:28 |
| ogra | through that split we will probably miss stuff | 03:28 |
| flint | RichEd, I will cheerfully tell you when Oliver is wrong. He is right on in this case. | 03:28 |
| RichEd | The rest of the users are simply customising a vanilla product for education needs. | 03:28 |
| ogra | (i have ~30 IRC windows open daily and am subscribed to 60 mailing lists ... i wont monitor ubuntu-education much for tech requests for example) | 03:29 |
| pips1 | ogra: I don't quite understand why you think *you* will miss stuff? do you mean, you can only put 100% attention to one (irc) channel at the same time? | 03:29 |
| ogra | pips1, its not about *me* | 03:30 |
| highvoltage | pips1: depends which client you use, mine can do multi-screen :) | 03:30 |
| flint | RichEd, Edubuntu is your brand. Be careful you are not creating the equivalent of "New Coke" or Windows Millenium... | 03:30 |
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| RichEd | But ubuntu-education is not about tech stuff. It is about Education stuff. It is cleary promoted as "above the desktop" | 03:30 |
| flint | RichEd, Edubuntu is not about tech stuff either it is about use of computers in education. | 03:30 |
| ogra | but for the same reason i dont like to have pm discussions about stuff if possible i think its important that everybody sees every discussion | 03:30 |
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| ogra | so splitting conversations over several channels with the same topic but another label might get tricky | 03:31 |
| LaserJock | flint: I disagree | 03:31 |
| pips1 | ogra: I know you don't mean that it's all about you, of course not, but I mean you as an example (and important "hub") :) | 03:31 |
| RichEd | flint: we are not creating a new brand or product, just a space to get people into our area | 03:31 |
| LaserJock | flint: Edubuntu, right now, is clearly a distro product | 03:31 |
| ogra | pips1, i mean that the discussion about ltsp4.2 upgrades might also be important for you guys ... if i had held it in pm instead of #edubuntu you guys would have missed that | 03:32 |
| flint | RichEd, why not have #edubunt-implementation? | 03:32 |
| ogra | pips1, thats what i mean with missing stuff | 03:32 |
| LaserJock | because the issue isn't edubuntu, the issue is education | 03:32 |
| RichEd | And a user using kubuntu in 10 schools will say ... oh that's edubuntu. not me | 03:32 |
| jsgotangco | i dont get this channel differentiation | 03:33 |
| flint | RichEd, or #edubuntu-for_the_teacher | 03:33 |
| RichEd | And a user using kubuntu in 10 schools will say ... oh that's edubuntu. not me | 03:33 |
| === cbx33 doesn't get anything anymore :( | ||
| cbx33 | I have to keep running away | 03:33 |
| jsgotangco | we dont get enough traffic in the main channel at all | 03:33 |
| ogra | jsgotangco++ | 03:33 |
| pips1 | ogra: I agree with you about keeping information in the public space as much as possible 100%, I think that pm shouldn't be used unless it makes sense to have privacy | 03:33 |
| ogra | same for the ML | 03:33 |
| LaserJock | the point is that Edubuntu doesn't encompass *all* of education | 03:33 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: I can assure you with my hand on my heart that we will bring more people than we take away/ | 03:33 |
| LaserJock | it encompasses the Edubuntu distro | 03:33 |
| ogra | pips1, right and i think sacttering info isnt much help | 03:34 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: i think its easier to drive traffic to | 03:34 |
| flint | RichEd, I see your point, yet we embrace kubuntu... I just feel that Edubuntu should be inclusive of all variants. | 03:34 |
| LaserJock | ogra: I think the idea is to bring no info, not scatter | 03:34 |
| ogra | no info ? | 03:34 |
| LaserJock | new | 03:34 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: i think its easier to drive traffic to #edubuntu and when we have so many people over there that devel coordination is not possible, its the core group that creates a new channel | 03:34 |
| ogra | you mean more info = | 03:34 |
| ogra | ? | 03:34 |
| ogra | ah | 03:34 |
| RichEd | flint & ogra: so what about an education department that uses Edubuntu on the classroom desktop and Ubuntu on the Staff Admin machines and Ubuntu on the edge connectors and Ubuntu on the national Server Farm. Thats's all Ubuntu in Education, but not all Edubuntu. | 03:35 |
| flint | jsgotangco, You make a very good point here. As a core in a subcategory forms, it can make the decision on its own. | 03:35 |
| flint | RichEd, I firmly believe that it is inclusive and supportable in the #edubuntu forum system. eh? | 03:36 |
| ogra | RichEd, right, but if i were the admin of that setup and would have an edu related question i'd mail edubuntu-users or go to the #edubuntu channel | 03:36 |
| flint | Edubuntu bugs as well as all other bugs (eg support) all go to Malone anyway. | 03:36 |
| RichEd | ogra: Even the guy in the server farm who runs pure Ubuntu on his education content web servers | 03:37 |
| jsgotangco | and #edubuntu is a very logical place to go, same with #ubuntu and #kubuntu | 03:37 |
| flint | (actually Oliver fixes them all himself :^) | 03:37 |
| ogra | flint, nah, we have a bunch i havent touched :) | 03:37 |
| flint | ogra, just kidding... | 03:38 |
| cbx33 | ogra: on that note, any I can help with? | 03:38 |
| jsgotangco | we can just do #edubuntu-devel when the time comes that its needed and it won't be difficult for us since we're not herding everyone | 03:38 |
| ogra | cbx33, i think LaserJock has a link to our buglist | 03:38 |
| cbx33 | ok...cool | 03:38 |
| flint | RichEd, give our words some thought... I thank you for this time. | 03:38 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, that was the initial plan if devel related discussions rise | 03:38 |
| ogra | but currently we dont even have any traffic in #edubuntu | 03:38 |
| jsgotangco | i think its very logical | 03:38 |
| LaserJock | #edubuntu really only makes sense for people running Edubuntu. It's confusing for somebody who is running Kubuntu or Xubuntu if they should ask questions in #edubuntu (how will they know to go there?) or #kubuntu, etc. | 03:38 |
| ogra | at least not noticeable enough to split | 03:39 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: yeah when its needed | 03:39 |
| ogra | right | 03:39 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: well said | 03:39 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock: got that link? | 03:39 |
| RichEd | None of this has been a trivial decision there has been a hgue amount of thought and discussion. | 03:39 |
| LaserJock | but the idea was to not "split" anything | 03:39 |
| RichEd | We're adding, not subtracting. | 03:39 |
| jsgotangco | we need traffic | 03:39 |
| ogra | we'll see how it works out ... | 03:40 |
| ogra | but note that its way harder to colse a channel or mailing list than opening them :) | 03:40 |
| ogra | *close | 03:40 |
| highvoltage | RichEd: I think the effort put into the education part of things is good. I think people will be happy with the new list and channel once they see the results. | 03:40 |
| RichEd | ogra ... please note that we understand and respect your concerns ... we are not ignoring them, but taking them into account. | 03:41 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: see: https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-bugs/+subscribedbugs plus the +assignedbugs and +packagebugs variants | 03:41 |
| RichEd | I see that 80% of the new communtiy we bring in will be users who were too afraid to join or speak up in techno forum. | 03:41 |
| ogra | RichEd, and you please note its no rant or bad criticism ... i just want to point these things out ;) | 03:41 |
| RichEd | noted :) | 03:41 |
| ogra | :) | 03:42 |
| === RichEd shakes hands with ogra and the absent flint | ||
| ogra | heh | 03:42 |
| === ogra hugs RichEd | ||
| === RichEd returns the love | ||
| jsgotangco | i dunno lets just see how it comes out | 03:42 |
| RichEd | okay ... I'll step down now and let ogra do the EC and wrap | 03:42 |
| ogra | hmm, to sad sbalneav isnt here yet | 03:43 |
| ogra | i see pips1 applied for membership :) | 03:43 |
| === pips1 feels it was good to get every one chiming in on the channels discussion :) | ||
| ogra | and RichEd wants to be EC member :) | 03:43 |
| pips1 | yes | 03:43 |
| RichEd | Well, can I ask any of you who are concerned about the "split" to join the mail list to see for yourself how it evolves ;) | 03:44 |
| === highvoltage doesn't even see it as a split, it's just a next phase | ||
| ogra | RichEd, we will | 03:44 |
| ogra | pips1, want to do your three liner introduction ? | 03:45 |
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| pips1 | oki | 03:45 |
| ogra | (even though we all know you) | 03:45 |
| pips1 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhilippSchroeder | 03:45 |
| pips1 | My day job is web developer and ICT coordinator at the university of applied sciences Zurich. I'm particularly interested in the field of usability, information architecture and interaction design. | 03:45 |
| pips1 | My contributions so far have been mostly testing the releases and I have taken on the edubuntu.org site admin responsibility from highvoltage. | 03:45 |
| pips1 | I'm planning on building a community space where educators and foss developers can interact. The planning has started quite a while ago and has been intensifying recently with the help from RichEd. | 03:45 |
| === RichEd comments | ||
| ogra | i can just say that pips1 did and does a substantial amount of Cd tests | 03:46 |
| ogra | a very appreciated contribution on my side ... | 03:46 |
| === pips1 holds his breath | ||
| cbx33 | pips1: has been a fantastic help to me too | 03:47 |
| ogra | apart from that he did an impressive amount of web structuring for us | 03:47 |
| cbx33 | wish I could vote dude ;) | 03:47 |
| RichEd | ^^ This is a user space ..,. for normal people to talk about their own personal experiences with education issues, without being concerned if the software they are using is Open Source or FOSS or (god forbid) that their school paid for a piece of code. | 03:47 |
| LaserJock | pips1: how long have you been contributing to Edubuntu? | 03:48 |
| ogra | i think pips1 was here from the very beginning ... | 03:48 |
| ogra | he was at the first (and only) edubuntu conf as well | 03:48 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 03:49 |
| pips1 | well, I have been around ever since the inception, but I have only started becoming more active very recently. my testing started with the very first release of edbuntu, though (cf ML) .) | 03:49 |
| LaserJock | very cool | 03:49 |
| RichEd | And finally, pips1 is ery involved in IT and education ... pedagogical & human behaviour towards technuical, not technical outwards. | 03:49 |
| RichEd | *very | 03:49 |
| ogra | how do you think we should improve edubuntu in the future ? | 03:49 |
| highvoltage | I'm of course happy that pips1 can take the edubuntu website forward. I remember the huge amount of testing he did last time too. | 03:49 |
| ogra | and what will change for you with your achieved membership status ? | 03:50 |
| pips1 | I think we can improve it by bringing it closer to what educators need... | 03:50 |
| pips1 | finding out what they need from them... | 03:51 |
| highvoltage | pips1: If I may ask, what attracts you to Edubuntu? Is it technology in schools that interest you, is it more the educational part, or comminuties in education? (or other:_____) | 03:51 |
| pips1 | re membership status, hmm, don't think it will change that much, really. I think it somehow changes how I feel about "belonging" to the community. | 03:52 |
| ogra | :) | 03:52 |
| pips1 | highvoltage: all of the above? :) | 03:52 |
| highvoltage | pips1: :) | 03:53 |
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| sbalneav | Present! | 03:53 |
| pips1 | I think what is a huge motivational factor is *collaboration* | 03:53 |
| RichEd | final cut & paste from a philipp cv: | 03:53 |
| RichEd | My day job is web developer and ICT coordinator at the university of | 03:53 |
| RichEd | applied sciences, Zurich. In my role, I attend national conferences on | 03:53 |
| RichEd | ICT and education. | 03:53 |
| ogra | he just pasted that in his intro ;) | 03:54 |
| pips1 | RichEd: thanks, I put that bit onto the wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhilippSchroeder | 03:54 |
| pips1 | :) | 03:54 |
| ogra | any questions for pips1 from anybody else ? | 03:54 |
| === highvoltage thinks pips1 have been qualifying for membership for a while already | ||
| LaserJock | sbalneav: hola | 03:55 |
| LaserJock | I've seen enough :-) | 03:55 |
| ogra | me too :) | 03:55 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, ?? | 03:55 |
| RichEd | => pips1 will be representing web and community and ICT in eduation at Mountain View | 03:55 |
| ogra | highvoltage, ?? | 03:55 |
| jsgotangco | i have no questions for pips1 i know him well ;) | 03:55 |
| highvoltage | ogra: no more questions from me | 03:55 |
| ogra | then lets VOTE ! :) | 03:55 |
| highvoltage | +1 | 03:55 |
| LaserJock | +1 | 03:55 |
| jsgotangco | ack | 03:56 |
| ogra | based on former contributions and awesome testing help, a +1 from me | 03:56 |
| RichEd | RichEd: +1 | 03:56 |
| ogra | welcome aboard pips1 ! | 03:56 |
| highvoltage | pips1: congrats and welcome! | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | pips1: welcome, and I look forward to seeing you at Mountain View | 03:56 |
| === RichEd shakes the hand of our newest member | ||
| ogra | yeah, me too | 03:56 |
| pips1 | thanks guys!! | 03:56 |
| === pips1 is very excited | ||
| ogra | pips1, oh | 03:57 |
| ogra | please apply for membership in the team :) | 03:57 |
| ogra | i cant enable you without | 03:57 |
| pips1 | huh? in LP? which team? | 03:57 |
| ogra | https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-members/ | 03:58 |
| pips1 | ahh | 03:58 |
| === sbalneav waves to ogra :) | ||
| ogra | seems RichEd is eager to vote as well ;) so lets handle him now | 03:58 |
| ogra | and then sbalneav :) | 03:58 |
| pips1 | oki | 03:58 |
| ogra | i'd like to propose RichEd as a replacement for JaneW in the EC ... | 03:59 |
| ogra | so we have full voting power again | 03:59 |
| jsgotangco | did JaneW signified her intention to drop | 03:59 |
| ogra | since Jane isnt around anymore | 03:59 |
| jsgotangco | or are we defaulting her | 03:59 |
| ogra | well, she's constantly absent and it doesnt seem to me hse can make any meetings | 04:00 |
| ogra | *she | 04:00 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: she did | 04:00 |
| highvoltage | ogra: at the last meeting when she had trouble connecting she did manage to let us know that she is willing to pass the EC status on to RichEd | 04:01 |
| ogra | i think we all know who RichEd is and what he does | 04:01 |
| ogra | highvoltage, right | 04:01 |
| === RichEd it the one that starts fires ;) | ||
| ogra | she mailed | 04:01 |
| jsgotangco | well i don't think its really proper to just "pass" something | 04:01 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, make another suggestion then | 04:01 |
| jsgotangco | but since we run on a majority vote, its proper to just vote for it | 04:02 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: right, I phrased that incorrectly, perhaps. | 04:02 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, we'll need a 100% vote imho | 04:02 |
| ogra | thats why i wanted the whole EC here now | 04:02 |
| jsgotangco | we're here let's do it :D | 04:02 |
| LaserJock | and why I had to get up so early :-) | 04:02 |
| ogra | ok | 04:02 |
| ogra | +1 from me ... | 04:02 |
| highvoltage | From a practical side, and from RichEd proven dedication the last months, +1 from me too | 04:02 |
| LaserJock | ditto, +1 | 04:03 |
| jsgotangco | i think its only proper and logical, and also for RichEd to do his functions +1 | 04:03 |
| ogra | great, welcome to the EC RichEd ! | 04:03 |
| cbx33 | w00t | 04:03 |
| highvoltage | w00t++ | 04:03 |
| RichEd | thank you all ... I appreciate your support | 04:03 |
| === RichEd takes a bow ... I will be your humble servant ... | ||
| ogra | Kamion, elmo ? can some CC member please make RichEd an admin for https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-members/ ? | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | ok do the logs later | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | :D | 04:04 |
| ogra | i dont have the power | 04:04 |
| === RichEd has to start a skype call to Greece ... prebooked meeting | ||
| LaserJock | RichEd: no go fan some flames ;-) | 04:04 |
| highvoltage | Kamion, elmo: and also remove JaneW please | 04:05 |
| ogra | Kamion, elmo ... and make JaneW a normal member | 04:05 |
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| highvoltage | (sorry, what ogra said) | 04:05 |
| ogra | hmm, new EC member and already absent for the vote ... tsk :) | 04:05 |
| ogra | sbalneav, on to you ! :) | 04:06 |
| pips1 | re absent RichEd: hehe | 04:06 |
| ogra | sbalneav, do you have a three liner perpared to introduce yourself ? | 04:06 |
| pips1 | RichEd: come back here ! | 04:06 |
| RichEd | I'm here ... | 04:06 |
| sbalneav | Well, | 04:06 |
| pips1 | you need to vote :) | 04:06 |
| RichEd | for sbalneav ? | 04:07 |
| ogra | RichEd, yes, but not yet ... | 04:07 |
| sbalneav | I'm Scott Balneaves, LTSP developer, and erstwhile Edubuntu contributor. Major work has included LTSP, working on the edubuntu handbook, localdevices, and going for smokes with Ogra. | 04:07 |
| RichEd | (call postponed for 20 mins) | 04:07 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: you don't actually smoke, do you? (not that it will affect the vote ;) ) | 04:08 |
| ogra | for the protocol: sbalneav doesnt smoke he just a nice guy ;) | 04:08 |
| sbalneav | No, I just stand and chat with ogra. He does all the smoking :) | 04:08 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: second hand smoke | 04:08 |
| jsgotangco | sbalneav: lier, you dont smoke | 04:08 |
| highvoltage | I wouldn't be able to do this vote if I didn't go to UDS Paris | 04:09 |
| sbalneav | Testing, dubugging, etc. I've done it all. | 04:09 |
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| highvoltage | I was extremely impressed with sbalneav, and it's not often that I'm really that impressed by someone. | 04:09 |
| sbalneav | Also, convincing highvoltage to never go to subway again. | 04:09 |
| jsgotangco | it pretty much sucks that edubuntu didn't have a group pic in UDS Paris | 04:09 |
| ogra | we'll care to get one this time ... | 04:10 |
| ogra | we have a lot of pics though | 04:10 |
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| jsgotangco | without the cool guys? | 04:10 |
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| jsgotangco | heh | 04:10 |
| jsgotangco | j/k | 04:10 |
| ogra | just not nicely lined up :) | 04:10 |
| pips1 | sbalneav: you are currently staying with ogra, in Germany? | 04:10 |
| highvoltage | I think the work that he's done is amazing, not only for Ubuntu, but everywhere. His LTSP work is amazing, and he's been filling big gaps in Edubuntu thathas bothered me personally for a while. | 04:10 |
| ogra | pips1, nah, i'm in the US occasionally | 04:10 |
| pips1 | ah! | 04:10 |
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| ogra | highvoltage++ | 04:11 |
| LaserJock | he also completely ruined my nice python script for edubuntu-menus :-) | 04:11 |
| highvoltage | I'll go as far as to say that I'm excited to have sbalneav as part of the team, and that I'm honored to have him here. | 04:11 |
| highvoltage | </cheerleadind> | 04:11 |
| ogra | highvoltage++ | 04:11 |
| sbalneav | pips1: no, but ogra and I will be meeting pre MV for LTSP hacking with LTSP. | 04:11 |
| jsgotangco | i'd vote for sbalneav for listening to pink floyd and being at battersea power station | 04:11 |
| ogra | (even more ++++= | 04:11 |
| ogra | ) | 04:11 |
| highvoltage | eek... </cheerleeding> | 04:11 |
| highvoltage | +1 for sbalneav from me | 04:11 |
| === RichEd hands sbalneav a vote of confidence +1 | ||
| ogra | +1 from my side as well | 04:11 |
| ogra | LaserJock, jsgotangco ?? anby questions left open from your sides ? | 04:12 |
| jsgotangco | sbalneav: make ltsp5 rock | 04:12 |
| jsgotangco | +1 | 04:12 |
| LaserJock | +1 for dedication to Edubuntu and the educational community, significant and sustained for sure | 04:12 |
| ogra | welcome sbalneav ! | 04:13 |
| ogra | :) | 04:13 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: welcome, and thank you | 04:13 |
| pips1 | welcome! | 04:13 |
| cbx33 | damn I wish i could vote | 04:13 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: you can still cheerleed! | 04:13 |
| jsgotangco | go ahead for the record | 04:13 |
| ogra | there we go, approved in LP | 04:13 |
| highvoltage | Edubuntu Members LP page is starting to look more and more decent | 04:13 |
| ogra | sbalneav, joy your edubuntu.org mail address :) | 04:13 |
| ogra | highvoltage, right, we're starting to grow | 04:14 |
| pips1 | ogra: how does the mail address work? | 04:14 |
| highvoltage | pips1: it will forward to your e-mail address specified in launchpad | 04:14 |
| ogra | it forwards to the one you set in LP | 04:15 |
| pips1 | cool | 04:15 |
| === highvoltage is about 30 minutes late for a meeting, got to run | ||
| ogra | nixternal is applying for membership as well btw | 04:15 |
| LaserJock | cya highvoltage | 04:15 |
| ogra | but he's not here atm i think | 04:15 |
| ogra | so lets finish off | 04:15 |
| pips1 | highvoltage: we'll need to talk about updating website todo... | 04:15 |
| highvoltage | ciao LaserJock and other Edubuntutites | 04:15 |
| pips1 | l8r | 04:15 |
| ogra | anything left ? | 04:15 |
| ogra | going once | 04:15 |
| jsgotangco | it works? | 04:15 |
| highvoltage | pips1: ok, ping me a bit later | 04:16 |
| jsgotangco | i haven't even tried it | 04:16 |
| ogra | going twice .... | 04:16 |
| cbx33 | is nixternal around? | 04:16 |
| ogra | adjourned :) | 04:16 |
| ogra | thanks everybody | 04:16 |
| RichEd | thanks all ... | 04:16 |
| RichEd | cbx33: I'll mail logs to you | 04:16 |
| cbx33 | thanks RichEd | 04:16 |
| pips1 | thanks for all of your support, folks! | 04:16 |
| pips1 | I feel honored | 04:17 |
| cbx33 | you deserve it pips1 | 04:17 |
| === RichEd ++ | ||
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| sbalneav | :D\-< | 04:17 |
| sbalneav | :D|-< | 04:17 |
| sbalneav | :D/-< | 04:17 |
| === sbalneav dances. | ||
| sbalneav | I'd like to thank the academy | 04:17 |
| sbalneav | \o/ | 04:17 |
| === RichEd starts the music | ||
| sbalneav | Do I need to do something? | 04:17 |
| === sbalneav hands RichEd, LaserJock, highvoltage, jsgotangco, and ogra their bribe money packets. | ||
| === pips1 claps the beat | ||
| === RichEd beats the clap ;) | ||
| === cbx33 dances | ||
| === ogra quickly hides it in his pocket | ||
| LaserJock | sbalneav: oh, I just know I'll find some good food in Mountain View if I follow you ;-) | 04:18 |
| jsgotangco | that's right | 04:19 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 04:19 |
| ogra | hmm | 04:19 |
| ogra | who gave pips1 eternal membership ? | 04:19 |
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| LaserJock | I should start a wiki page, "Secrets to surviving a UDS" ;-) | 04:19 |
| sbalneav | LaserJock: :) | 04:20 |
| LaserJock | 1. If you want to eat well, follow an LTSP guy | 04:20 |
| jsgotangco | 2. if you want to be in cool places, follow an LTSP guy | 04:20 |
| ogra | ++ | 04:20 |
| jsgotangco | 3. Raw meat is always not so good | 04:21 |
| pips1 | ogra: ?? | 04:21 |
| ogra | pips1, membership is time limited and needs to be renewed ... | 04:22 |
| ogra | every 2 years ... | 04:22 |
| pips1 | ogra: oh, I was talking about membership time in LP for the edubunt-website team.. | 04:22 |
| ogra | highvoltage switched that feature off when he approved you in the LP team | 04:22 |
| pips1 | with highvoltage | 04:22 |
| pips1 | so you are saying the default policy is to set a membership to 2 years? for any LP team? | 04:23 |
| ogra | at least for the -members teams and the -dev teams | 04:23 |
| pips1 | ic | 04:23 |
| ogra | for others its up to the team lead | 04:23 |
| pips1 | and you can't limit the membership once it was set? | 04:23 |
| ogra | i did change it | 04:24 |
| pips1 | right, ok | 04:24 |
| ogra | and granted you an extra day :) | 04:24 |
| pips1 | hehe | 04:24 |
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| pips1 | ogra: we really need to get that todo list for the online docs together, should I prepare a wiki page or will you do it? | 04:25 |
| pips1 | ack.. he's gone | 04:25 |
| LaserJock | is the meeting ajourned? | 04:25 |
| pips1 | I think so, not sure | 04:27 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 23 Oct 19:00 UTC: Accessibility Team | 25 Oct 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 07 Nov 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | ||
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| Kamion | ogra,highvoltage: done | 04:42 |
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| highvoltage | Kamion: kewl. thanks. | 05:13 |
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| ogra | Kamion, thx | 05:34 |
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| Express | benc'est fois ci c'est bon :D :/ | 06:42 |
| Express | benje bon ben je crois que j'ai drang pour pas grand chose.... | 06:44 |
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| Kamion | Express: ceci n'est pas un channel franais; c'est seul pour les runions au sujet Ubuntu | 06:49 |
| Kamion | (excuse my terrible French) | 06:49 |
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| Express | Kamion= sincerelly sorry excuse for that ;) :) D | 06:50 |
| nixternal | hehe, Kamion, that is why i love google, it always helps me out in times of need ;) | 06:52 |
| nixternal | @schedule chicago | 06:52 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Chicago: 23 Oct 14:00: Accessibility Team | 25 Oct 15:00: Edubuntu | 07 Nov 14:00: Technical Board | 06:52 |
| nixternal | wow, rest of the month is rather lax | 06:52 |
| Kamion | TB and Ubuntu development meetings are cancelled for the next week-and-a-bit due to the Edgy release | 06:53 |
| Toadstool | Kamion: I've seen far more terrible French, even by French guys :) | 07:00 |
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| dipswitch | hi! | 07:27 |
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| paulvg | hi! | 07:29 |
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