=== oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:21] lexual: hi [12:27] Riddell: G'Day [12:27] G'night! [12:27] Riddell: check out: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/66827 [12:27] Malone bug 66827 in kdebase "[site-issue] konqueror doesnt handle frames correctly. eg http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [12:28] lexual: seen it, there's nothing I can think of in kubuntu which would affect it [12:29] Interesting, I just installed edgy and sid side by side to test it. They definitely render it differently. [12:30] now that's weird [12:31] we don't patch khtml at all [12:31] lexual: it would probably need someone to build kdelibs without any kubuntu patches and add back the patches to work out which it was [12:36] Riddell: What did you think of my comment on filing bugs against kdebase vs konqueror? [12:37] lexual: that's a launchpad issue, you need to take it up with them [12:38] I'll start a thread in launchpad-users [12:39] lexual: the issue is being able to report in binary package names as well as source package names === claydoh [n=clay@216-220-236-233.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:42] Riddell: cool, just posted to launchpad-users, hopefully there's an easy fix. === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.110.114] has joined #kubuntu-devel === goldenear [n=goldenea@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.110.114] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === zMott [n=rick@2492160hfc23.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:57] lexual: ping ? [01:57] lexual: concerning that frame issue I already saw that and did a few tests... [01:57] I took the non working html page and put them without ANY change, on my webserver [01:57] there it works [01:58] curiouser and curiouser [01:58] looks like a very strange issue, maybe a bug with frames and certain caracters in the url or something [01:58] Riddell: yeah I couldn't bleive it myself... [01:58] beleive [01:58] rah ! "believe" [01:59] Riddell: I tried to play with charset too, doesn't change anything.... [02:05] Tonio_: good work. [02:06] Riddell: do you subscribe to kde-devel list? [02:07] lexual: found the issue :) [02:07] hard to resolve.... [02:07] lexual: yes, although I don't usually read it [02:07] lexual: get the code and test locally -> it fails [02:07] lexual: read the post about google though [02:07] change all the code to lowercase -> it works........ [02:08] Riddell: funny isn't it ? ;) [02:08] Sime: you were complaining earlier about sound being out of sync on flash [02:08] Sime: looks like adobe heard you [02:08] Tonio_: that has to be the weirdest beastie ever [02:08] lexual: so that's a lowercase/uppercase issue [02:08] Riddell: hehe, yes :) I don't see how except a khtml guru can fix this [02:09] lexual: there is also an html error, outside of [02:09] lexual: the code is crappy, don't blame khtml to fail on crappy code.... most websites with frame work here. [02:09] Interesting. [02:09] lexual: to reproduce -> [02:10] grab index.html and index_page.html [02:10] test locally and you'll see the issue [02:10] then use kate to change to lowercase on index_page [02:10] and reopen index.html locally [02:11] you should see the frames displayed correctly, can you confirm ? === orkid__ [n=orkid__@bas1-barrie18-1242378266.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:12] Riddell: yeah flash9 uses alsa by default, great news, just have to wait for beta to be out now... [02:13] Tonio_: you're so behind the times http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/10/beta_is_live.html [02:14] awesome [02:14] wow rockin [02:14] and i just packaged gnash last night [02:14] Tonio_: what do I change to lowercase? [02:14] ;/ [02:14] works fine in konqueror too [02:14] Riddell: ah ! [02:14] imbrandon: oh? [02:15] Riddell, yup ( still has a few issues but works ) i'm trying to get it ready for Feisty [02:15] imbrandon: and how is gnash now ? does it have sound now ? [02:15] Riddell, want a link ? to my work in progress ? [02:15] Tonio_, yes via GST [02:15] pity it's unlikely to be released before edgy. [02:15] imbrandon: last time I gave a try, only the standalone player worked... [02:15] imbrandon: I don't really have time just now [02:15] imbrandon: and how about the konq extention ? does it work now, or is just the mozilla plugin ? [02:16] Tonio_, http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss_gnash.png is it working on my ppc [02:16] Tonio_, just mozilla but konqui will use the mozilla one [02:16] imbrandon: yeah but there also klash supposed to be optimised for konqueror afaik [02:16] sorry, bad link http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss_gnash1.png [02:16] never worked here :) [02:17] klash dosent compile atm [02:17] that was a major headache [02:17] imbrandon: interesting indeed, I hope it'll be ready for edgy+1 [02:17] the problem is that it will not support flash9... [02:18] yea it only supports flash7 [02:18] but its a start [02:19] imbrandon: afaik flash8 video are sometimes working. [02:20] Riddell: I can't seem to find flash 9 on adobe website.... I'm redirected automatically to french page which has flash7 only...... [02:20] yea only "fully" support flash7 i should say and "some" flash 8 [02:20] Riddell: can you dcc me flash9 please ? [02:21] Tonio_: not sure if I did the right thing. grabbed index.html and index_page.html. Then I changed tags in index_page.html to lowercase, still didn't change anything. [02:21] lexual: bah I tested 3 times here with success [02:21] Did I do the right thing, did you change index.html ? === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.110.114] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:24] lexual: nope, only index_page [02:24] Tonio_: and changing tags to lowercase caused index_page to render correctly? [02:24] lexual: yes [02:25] just retested here, same result [02:25] lexual: in fact you don't need index.html to test, just open index_page in konq [02:25] Tonio_: I'll try again. i.e. wget index.html index_page.html, then edit index_page [02:26] lexual: okay [02:26] hum i cant find a download link for 9 Riddell, have you actualy downloaded it yet ? [02:26] well note that when I lowercase the code, I get a 404 error on the upper frame (good) but I don't see the forum on the bottom frame (bad) [02:26] it only partly resolve the issue [02:27] 404 is due to changing link part of UBB [02:27] http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/cgi-bin/UBB/ultimatebb.cgi [02:28] yes [02:28] lexual: another interesting test, change the code to lowercase [02:29] still fails on the bottom frame [02:29] now change the urls of the frames [02:29] for example google.com and yahoo.com -> works......; [02:29] honnestly, this website is a shit part of code...... [02:30] 2 vertical frames, with 2 horizontal frames on the right frame, plus a UBB template that causes issues........ my god...... [02:30] http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ [02:30] lexual: in my opinion, the issue is more the website than khtml, this is a horrible construction [02:30] Riddell: thanks [02:30] Riddell: where was the link ? did I miss it ? [02:30] Tonio_: The real question is why to render perfectly in debian 3.5.5 and poorly in ubuntu 3.5.5 ??? [02:31] lexual: hum, hard to say.... has riddell said, we don't patch khtml at all... [02:31] gah still no ppc or amd64 linux builds [02:31] lexual: can be due to UTF_8 by default in ubuntu [02:32] lexual: charset is generally my response when I don't see anything logical :) [02:33] I thought etch was utf8 by default. Can anyone confirm? [02:33] Tonio_: if you want me to boot back into debian and check some charset stuff I will, let me know. [02:33] lexual: I can't I didn't touch debian for a year :) [02:33] lexual: yeah okay [02:33] OK, be back in 5 [02:34] lexual: the point is there are thousands of websites with frames and I never saw that error except on that page.... [02:34] so it is hard to consider that a khtml bug since it would fail on most frame based wensites === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:36] imbrandon: when you get a spare moment (ha, I know you're a busy man), could you help me figure out why ktorrent in dapper-backports/ppc is not building, when it builds fine in edgy/ppc and in dapper-backports/all_other_archs? [02:36] Riddell: ho my god ! it is the first time I can see a flash movie in konq without sound sync issue [02:36] Riddell: very strange feeling ! but a good one [02:37] jdong: it doesn't build because autotools thinks it needs to run itself [02:37] jdong, yea i'll check it here latertonight [02:37] Riddell: make it stop.... waaah :) [02:37] actually, I don't have a PPC so as long as I do some gmail filters it doesn't bother me one bit :D === jdong ducks [02:38] Riddell: I've started to patch k3b for konqueror integration (audio cd ripping), still things to do but it works === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:40] Tonio_: sounds interesting [02:41] Riddell: well if I can do what I want, it'll be exactly the same process than with kaudiocreator, no difference [02:41] but I still have to patch to allow k3b to be launched in the shell with a --device parameter... [02:41] I looked at the code and I think I'll be able to handle this, even if k3b code is hudge... [02:42] once that done I'll be able to open k3b in audioripping mode [02:43] Riddell: and amarok integration is already finished for audiocd playing [02:44] we'll be able to test this at uds, that's the point [02:56] morning alll === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.110.114] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lexual [n=lexhider@ppp192-15.lns3.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.228.210] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:03] wow Riddell it does work really well in konqui [03:04] Tonio_: OK, back in debian. [03:07] http://librarian.launchpad.net/4889952/snapshot1.png [03:07] Tonio_: what can I do to check the charset stuff? [03:09] echo $LANG ;) [03:10] en_AU.UTF-8 [03:10] hum, and that works........ amazing........ [03:10] lexual: I may not be able to help you now...... [03:10] looks like several issues are combined... [03:11] the first one concerns the upercase stuff [03:11] the second if why the board fails to display.....; I don't have the response and may not be able to help on that point..... [03:11] You should add a comment to the bug report, of what you have found out. 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[04:11] feisty fawn ;) [04:11] Feisty Fawn [04:11] Feisty Fawn [04:11] :P [04:11] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-October/000212.html [04:11] ah [04:11] isn't the fawn that gets eaten by the tiger all the time? someone has already made the comment === Jucato glares at Hawkwind... [04:12] well a feisty fawn would certainly be able to out smart and out manouver the tiger :) [04:12] but a fawn is so small, cute, and SLOW :0 [04:12] hehe [04:12] heheh [04:13] don't know what happened to my smiley, obvioulsy missed the shift key [04:13] well, there are always some mutations in nature. this could probably be one of them :P === Hobbsee notes that there will be many packages not hitting the repos, and getting lost into the ether. [04:13] i know at least 4 of mine didn't get in [04:13] and all 4 were new upstream releases [04:14] due to typos :P [04:14] nixternal: hmmm? [04:14] nixternal: where were they? [04:14] on revu still im sure === Hobbsee wonders if you poked anyone about them [04:14] nixternal , flash9 on yoooootube http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss109.png [04:14] :) [04:15] heh, more times than you could ever imagine [04:15] ah [04:15] omg imbrandon, and it is shakira [04:15] hahahaha [04:16] and katie holmes ;) [04:16] heh [04:16] lol [04:16] ya, katie holmes before she became a retard === Jucato is not surprised seeing shakira :P [04:16] she is another basket case waiting for a space ship to come take her from this evil planet [04:16] why? [04:16] Jucato, ^ [04:17] imbrandon: coz you always listen to her? :) [04:17] ok imbrandon, and i am waiting for the link so I CAN GET FLASH9 TOO ;) [04:17] winky [04:17] i havent made a package yet but here is the direct download http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html [04:18] i'll blog with a package later [04:18] hrmm...it seems the screenshots abatoir sent me were w/o background [04:18] cool [04:18] works with konqui too just fine [04:19] evening [04:19] hiya jjesse [04:19] ello jjesse [04:19] hey jjesse : [04:19] ) [04:19] hiya [04:19] hehe [04:19] hello Hobbsee [04:19] hi imbrandon [04:19] man it sucks to only be on irc at night and the client i'm at blocks it :( [04:19] jjesse: have you tried the cgi client on ichthux.com? [04:20] no i'll hav to try it tomorrow [04:20] Does all of youtube use flash 9 ? Certainly not [04:21] no, cuz i don't have flash 9 and watch youtube like crazy [04:21] no Hawkwind thats just the site i tested it with [04:21] Hmmm, I've installed flash 9 earlier and not sure if it's working. Anyone have a site that uses flash 9 for sure ? [04:22] Hawkwind: test it with regular Flash 7 or 8 sites? [04:22] File name: libflashplayer.so [04:22] Shockwave Flash 9.0 d55 [04:22] wo0t [04:22] Not sure that will do any good. I've always had flash 7 working. But I need a site that uses flash 8 or higher to verify my flash 9 install is working [04:23] Hawkwind, just goto "about:plugins" in ff [04:23] it will tell the version loaded [04:23] Yeah just thought about that. Gotta restart swiftfox and see [04:24] heh, well it doesn't work so good [04:25] as you can't use it to play flash games, it gives you "this browser cannot play this game" [04:25] i wanna play zuma === nixternal kicks his feet and starts crying like a little school girl [04:25] lol [04:26] nixternal: user ident. [04:26] tried that already [04:26] nixternal: i thought that zuma required shockwave though [04:26] nixternal: where was the zuma? [04:26] it played frogger just fine for me === nixternal gets the link [04:27] ya, im a retard, leave me alone, i will go stand in the corner and look at the wall [04:27] w00t, flash 9 is now working [04:28] that it is..i am playing tank right now [04:29] So who's going to be the first to make deb packages :P [04:31] Hawkwind: whoever doestn make it with checkinstall [04:31] Hah [04:31] I should create a petition to get the developer/maintainer of checkinstall to stop making that damn app [04:31] lol [04:32] Hawkwind: and at the same time, put up your own howto/wiki on how to do things properly :P [04:32] Hawkwind: it segfauled mostly thru dapper. some idiot fixed it. [04:32] Hobbsee: Please don't tell me who! I'd have to find them and do serious bodily injury :P [04:32] hm... what if Hobbsee did it? :P [04:33] Jucato: She knows better :) [04:33] well, she has her days :) [04:33] or maybe jdng did it :) [04:33] oh please don't let jdong package Flash 9 heheh [04:34] He'd backport it if it were out there :P [04:34] i didnt do it === Hobbsee thinks she knows who did [04:39] imbrandon: interesting background [04:39] Who is it that has packaged gnash ? [04:40] Is it imbrandon or nixternal ?? [04:42] Hawkwind, i'm working on it [04:42] Hobbsee, hehe [04:42] imbrandon: Ah ok. Someone in #Kubuntu was just asking about it [04:42] Hawkwind, flash9 and gnash [04:42] And I knew one of you had been working on it [04:42] Hawkwind, its not ready for the public yet ( either one ) [04:42] it will be in the next day(s) [04:42] imbrandon: Right, I remembered that. Just need a brain refresher :P [04:42] :) [04:43] It's hell to get old :P [04:43] lol [04:43] Hobbsee, you dont like my background ? i was gonna petition to make it default for feisty [04:43] hm.... it's hell to be getting oldER every day... :) [04:43] hehe [04:44] imbrandon: What background ? [04:44] :P [04:44] Hawkwind: imbrandon's wallpaper [04:44] Hawkwind, http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss109.png [04:44] Ohhhhh [04:44] LOL good one! [04:44] Hobbsee, it changes daily almost though [04:44] She's feisty isn't she ? [04:44] i have lots ;) [04:44] imbrandon: maybe for the K release, Kute Katie? [04:44] Hah === Hobbsee idly wonders if they change levels of clothing too [04:45] no they are all G rated, i have kids you know ;) [04:47] :P [04:47] imbrandon: what, that makes a difference? [04:49] hehe well i dont want them walking in to a computer screen of a nekiid woman [04:49] Why not, it educates them! [04:49] Hah, just kidding [04:49] Hawkwind, hahah i would much rather they be educated at 18+ ;P [04:49] imbrandon: *g* [04:49] or 30+ or 40+ [04:49] hehe [04:49] ( in my duaghters case ) [04:50] yes i know that shovinistic but its my perogitive as a dad , shush [04:50] imbrandon: how old's your daughter? [04:50] one is almost 2 the other is 9 [04:50] ah === Hobbsee wishes her battery lasted longer. [04:51] get an apple heheh [04:51] dad's got a dual core that i'm looking to inherit [04:52] nice [04:52] he's decided he likes it though [04:52] lol [04:52] Is hoping to get a nice iBook later this year from a friend. [04:52] I believe it's a 1.8GHz or there abouts [04:52] :( [04:52] Hobbsee: if it has the intel q965 chipset it won't boot kubuntu [04:52] indeed === Hobbsee might just get a new machine herself, with extra long battery life :P [04:52] jjesse: right, good to know [04:52] thanks [04:52] not without passing commands to remove acpi [04:52] right [04:52] which i dont really want to do :P [04:52] both in dapper and edgy, created a bug on it [04:53] jjesse, 4 of my system have to remove acpi, most HP non-laptops have buggy acpi support [04:53] thats a common linux issue [04:53] imbrandon: i'm trying to use Altiris to image new DC7700's and I can't boot :( === Hobbsee notes that in 6 months people might actually know how to spell feisty. [04:56] ie7 has now released its final version :) [04:56] does it work? [04:56] yeah i like it better the Firefox in windows to be honest [04:57] i hate the way ie7 does tabs [04:57] plus its uses too much memory that way [04:57] ooh. thanks for the warning imbrandon. I just downloaded it [04:57] i have a problem w/ Firfox hogging memory [04:57] its a new instance of ie7 for each tab [04:58] really? that's not what i show in task manager, running ie7 w/ 7 tabas open right now only one instance of iexplore in task manager [05:03] yup read the ie7 blog, it explains it [05:03] hmm i'll have to look at it [05:03] says why they had to do it that way ( basicly becouse they were lazy and dident want to write proper code ) [05:03] lol [05:04] and they say "upgrade with confidence"? [05:04] Jucato: i've had no problems w/ ie7 been using it sicne beta 1 [05:05] hehe :) [05:05] still too scared to install it on my sister's PC :) [05:05] Jucato, dont worry in 2 weeks its a manditory update [05:05] so you wont have a choice [05:05] ouch [05:06] lol [05:06] unless you block it [05:06] there are several ways to do it, includign an official way from MS [05:06] ( that in turn will block other future updates and leave a security breach in ie6 ) [05:06] so companies can block it until they are ready [05:07] yea you have to officaly hack the registry if you dont want it [05:07] real user friendly [05:07] :) [05:07] :P [05:07] http://www.microsoft.com/technet/updatemanagement/windowsupdate/ie7announcement.mspx [05:07] look halfway down "Options for blocking automatic diverly === FreeT15 [n=thiz@221.216.190.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse is a windows IT consultant for a living [05:08] yea then when a security hold in ie6 comes about you will be screwed [05:08] hole* [05:08] and those are about a dime a dozzen [05:13] but i still love you jjesse ;P === imbrandon hugs jjesse === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm34.omega19.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:48] nixternal: you mean they have only a light blue background instead of the edgy wallpaper? [05:49] yo yo [05:49] ya [05:49] that your vmware doin' that ;) [05:49] no biggy [05:49] nixternal: well, that's the way it is for edgy :( [05:49] i could alway bugger it to make it look like it, but im not giong to worry about it [05:49] oh really [05:49] so that is the way it is then [05:49] ok..cool [05:49] nixternal: hopefully it'll change for edgy+1 when oem-config is restructured [05:49] you said something like 15 images or somethign right? [05:50] nixternal: no, i meant image no. 15 [05:50] oh ok..good deal...i will have them up here ina bit then [05:50] which shows the step where a user creates an account [05:50] nixternal: you want something else? [05:50] i just finished taking some ktorrent and digikam snaps [05:50] nixternal: do you want images for all the steps? [05:50] that be it...figure out why digikam keeps crashing on me [05:50] nah abattoir, im not worrying about an image for each step [05:51] just something to give an idea..but oem-config needs to be documented somewhere for sure [05:51] nixternal: i'm working on something for the wiki [05:51] nixternal: KubuntuOEMInstaller [05:51] ok, i seen that, wasn't sure if you were going to rock it there then [05:51] nixternal: should hopefully get it done by the time edgy releases [05:52] i would like to get documentation for it though to be put in with the ubuntu doc project as well [05:52] maybe we can edgy+1 that [05:52] or fawn it ;) [05:52] nixternal: oh, the current contents are just 'placeholders', till i got more time to finish it up :P [05:53] nixternal: yes, i can get that done for edgy+1 as well, if you tell me what i should exactly do [05:53] cool [05:53] sure, i can help you out there im sure === battousaix19 [n=eric@valleyeast-cable-69-60-245-132.unitz.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:29] hello [06:35] Jucato: I HEARD THAT [06:35] ;-) [06:35] lol :) === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-4-75.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm34.omega19.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm34.omega19.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === FreeT15 [n=thiz@221.216.190.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@202.107.195.52] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === FreeT15 [n=thiz@221.216.190.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:56] there is only going to be one release candidate this go round correct? [07:58] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/RC/Kubuntu [07:58] wallah [08:07] Riddell: ^^ [08:07] anyone else, feel free to review and tweak as needed === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.110.114] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:43] Tonio_: patches are in the usual place: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKDEMedia [08:44] Tonio_: You will have to ask Riddell about whether this will get into the release. (I hope so. it fixes bugs). [08:55] Sime: we need to have bugs in LP in order to have them targeted for release === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:25] Tonio_, Riddell, jdong: I think workaround in bug 65734 is probably the root cause for our DPMS problems with kde 3.5.5 upgrade... [09:25] Malone bug 65734 in kdebase "After resuming from hibernation my screen blanks after about 70 seconds (powersave)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65734 [09:27] Sime: maybe your changes address this bug 65662 [09:27] Malone bug 65662 in kdebase "Not possible to mount USB stick after upgrading to kde-3.5.5" [Undecided,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65662 [09:27] hum, yes, that was what i was going to do === Hobbsee notes that mounting her USB stick works fine here, on a clean install. === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD9E2845F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@90.131-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm34.omega19.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@202.107.195.52] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nuku [n=nuku@e178110209.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon_ [n=imbrando@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:34] does anyone use the Multiple pbuilders scripts? === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm250.epsilon197.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:35] it is complaining for me about things not being in the normal locations suce as base.tgz instead of trying to use the ones specified [10:35] note sure what scripts you mean but i have 3 or 4 pbuidrs setup [10:35] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto?highlight=%28pbuilder%29 [10:36] how do you do it? [10:36] i cant get to my scripts atm but you might poke hobbsee , she can give you a copy of them [10:36] when she gets back on [10:37] yeah tab complete was ailing there :) [10:37] i have dapper , edgy , breezy and sid all setup [10:37] failing [10:42] hmm ok it seemed to be ignoring some stuff but specifically putting it in the rc seems to work [10:46] seaLne: my script (for edgy) can be found on http://fboudra.free.fr/ubuntu/pbuilder/ if you are interested [10:46] seaLne: + http://fboudra.free.fr/ubuntu/pbuilder/.pbuilderrc-edgy [10:47] ta [10:47] i just found that the things specified in the script wern't be used [10:49] i use some personal customization and ~/pbuilder as my base dir, that can give you some ideas ;) [10:49] yeah, my problem is that my homedir is on nfs so i need to copy stuff elsewhere [10:51] easy to fix in my scripts [10:55] how does AUTO_DEBSIGN work? does it just prompt you at the end? [10:56] yes [10:56] ah, sounds usefull [10:56] :) === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@vpna184.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lexual [n=lexhider@ppp192-15.lns3.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars_@AMarseille-256-1-97-40.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@vpnb233.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:15] i'm having problems with sarge trying to use find a repository called universe :-/ [11:17] ah removing /etc/pbuilderrc solves that === FreeT15 [n=thiz@221.216.190.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:27] Riddell: got a problem with krita update : [11:27] krita: Dpend: krita-data (< 1:1.5.92) mais 1:1.6.0-0ubuntu1 est install [11:27] Dpend: koffice-libs (< 1:1.5.92) mais 1:1.6.0-0ubuntu1 est install [11:30] apt-get -f install solve the problem === mbiebl [n=michael@e180090140.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:51] marseillai: what platform, what distro version? [11:53] Riddell: on edgy [11:53] i had only koffice-latest repo [11:53] adding koffice-16 repo and apt-geet -f install solve the problem [11:56] marseillai: what hardware platform? [12:29] Riddell: i386 [12:30] Riddell: I had the same problem on edgy i386 (I sent you a note onirc) [12:30] Riddell: I had plain edgy version before (no 3rd party repo) [12:30] Lure: my most recent patches don't address any of those bugs. [12:31] Sime: another reason why we should submit every bug in LP [12:31] Lure: Perhaps Tonio_ will be kind enough to submit a bug saying "Audio CDs don't open in the right URL in KDE". [12:32] Lure: I can do it, but it won't happen until tonight. === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:34] Sime: just to tell you that even if i keep my point of view about letting people choose if they want or not show unmount device i recognize that mounting removable device on edgy works so fine! so good job! :) [12:35] marseillai: oh, thank you. ;) === zorglu_ [n=zorglub@86.73.86.179] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:35] Sime: and do you remember what i told you about kde hal rules for moutning usb devices? [12:37] just had an idea which could improve the irc help, i think. it is just for you information. imagine adding some basic script to konversation like "/tokubuntupastebin cat /etc/apt/sources.list" will execute the "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" and send it to a pastebin, gather the url and output the message "the result of 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list' is at http://pastebin.example.com/12345". i think it would speed up the help [12:37] Sime: even if i think it's an option wich don't work anymore so this is a problem now with your patch it's almost useless because device are not mount in /media/sda1 or something like that but in /media/device_name [12:46] marseillai: You're refering to the properties dialog for mount points in konq? [12:46] Sime: yes [12:47] now that mount point is fix this feature is not really so important [12:47] marseillai: My patch doesn't change where things get mounted. BTW. [12:47] so i think you should remove this properties dialog Sime if you can't fix it [12:48] Sime: perhaps but now mount point are fix even if we don't use this [12:48] marseillai: maybe it is best if you file a bug report for this. [12:48] marseillai: I agree that it should be removed. [12:48] Sime: oki i'll! on kde bugzilla? or ubuntu launchpad Sime ? [12:48] marseillai: LP. [12:48] oki [12:49] i will when i've finish with klondike! :p [12:50] Riddell: ping! [12:51] hi lexual [12:51] g'day. do you reckon I can close these bugs, as they are really kubuntu features? [12:51] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123044 [12:51] KDE bug 123044 in general "text completion in search bar ignores settings" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [12:51] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123045 [12:51] KDE bug 123045 in general "The search field autocompletion list contains never-used keywords" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [12:53] lexual: sure [12:55] Riddell: how about the font config in k-d-s? thanks [12:56] freeflying: it's been changed to Sans Serif and other generic names [12:56] Riddell: thanks === Lure_ [n=lure@BSN-77-152-53.dsl.siol.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@vpnc079.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:04] Riddell: the brackets missing for entries in kmenu is a known issue? 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[03:28] found it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/RC/Kubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:48] Howdy === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rideout [n=rideout@71-215-77-228.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:15] imbrandon: the flash beta in your repo gives a sizes mismatch error in apt === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ZeroCool [n=rick@2492160hfc23.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Zerlinna [n=Zerlinna@C2a26.c.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:25] Thought I would post this, http://www.madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=7603 [04:25] interesting article [04:27] thank you for your submission to #kubuntu-devel: News for nerds, stuff that matters. [04:27] for discussion on the development of Kubuntu, please see slashdot.org [04:27] ;) [04:27] =) [04:28] lol [04:30] ZeroCool: we have an X setup tool in kubuntu (notwithstanding kamion's comments about X setup going away), networking setup is crap we know === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@vpnd004.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:58] Riddell: when is the first major release coming out for Kubuntu [04:59] ?! [04:59] 1.5 years ago, ZeroCool. [04:59] lol [04:59] probably he meant "next"? [04:59] okay, edgy... final [04:59] Next week. [04:59] see EdgyReleaseSchedule [05:00] give link pls [05:00] !schedule [05:00] Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule === OdyX [n=Didier@martronic020.worldcom.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:01] wow the 26th great [05:02] is that why we'll only have one RC? [05:02] we only ever have one rc [05:02] if you have more than one rc it has failed in its purpose [05:02] oh... [05:03] lol I must have been dreaming sorry :) === mbiebl [n=michael@e180090140.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm250.epsilon197.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:32] Riddell: if your still here, is kde-guidance supposed to install as permssions 755? [05:33] s/as/with [05:34] gnomefreak: which files? [05:34] bug 66718 he didnt say [05:34] Malone bug 66718 in kde-guidance "XServer crashes, unable to login since" [Undecided,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/66718 [05:35] im not sure if leavin it open due to the p[ermisssions or close it as supposed to do that [05:36] gnomefreak: he said /tmp [05:36] oh sorry missed that [05:36] which isn't installed by kde-guidance [05:36] scanned right over that :( === hunger_ is now known as hunger === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm34.omega19.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:07] I have a very simple bugreport: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdegraphics/+bug/66959 [06:07] Malone bug 66959 in kdegraphics ".djvu files are not associated with KViewShell " [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === DaSkreech [n=skreech@port0034-afo-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@vpnd090.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:21] Riddell: any infos concerning Sime's patches ? are they ready for inclusion ? === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:23] Tonio_: I'd say it's too late [06:23] Riddell: we are going to release with media audiocds broken ?????? [06:24] Riddell: that's not acceptable in my opinion.... [06:24] Riddell: I agree only outstanding issues have to be resolved but shouldn't this be considered major issue ? [06:25] Riddell: or at least provide an upgrade very quickly.... [06:25] Riddell: is that your plan ? [06:26] what's the diff? [06:27] Riddell: dunno, I haven't see the patches... [06:27] Riddell: I just know it corrects the audio cd issues.... Sime is supposed to give the patches today probably... === haggai [n=halls@host81-159-149-147.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:28] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia the patches are there [06:28] we can check the diff [06:28] Riddell: want me to do a debdiff and compare ? [06:31] Tonio_: yeah [06:31] Riddell: doing this right now [06:32] :sighs as his other removes *Buntu for Suse === cmvo [n=cmvo@62.225.11.174] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:39] Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/31 the debdiff, I'm trying to build === mbiebl [n=michael@e180090140.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:48] Riddell: Hi! Have you read about the Qt/khtml security problem (CVE-2006-4811)? I think it applies to kubuntu too? [06:48] Hi all === mbiebl [n=michael@e180090140.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:50] cmvo: yes, I'm waiting for a good patch [06:50] red hat are stupidly irrisponsible with that [06:51] Tonio_: doesn't look too bad, but it has some debugging there which should be there [06:53] hi sime. any did you find out anything about my problem? (guidance modules not loading.. powerpc) [06:53] Riddell: Ok, thanks. So RH is using their own patch without waiting for the others? === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121p2u.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:54] cmvo: yes, and they're patching kdelibs when the problem is in qt [06:57] Riddell: Maybe just easier for a quick patch :-) A Qt patch shouldn't be too far away. [06:59] Riddell: yeah I agree for the debugging.... [06:59] Riddell: I'm building and testing, then adding this on my repo so that we can test, and maybe toonight ask mdz politely :) [07:00] fdoving: no. I'm out of ideas. Was displayconfig from the shell without kcmshell working? [07:00] fdoving: (I forget) [07:00] fdoving: maybe we can try strace'ing it. [07:00] Sime: yes, displayconfig from the shell works without any errors. [07:01] strace kcmshell displayconfig or just displayconfig? [07:02] strace -o displayconfig_trace.txt kcmshell displayconfig [07:02] that's the lot. ;-) [07:03] Tonio_: BTW, that fix for the Cancel button on the media popup was in that latest patch. (It got left out before. my bad, again). [07:04] Sime: great [07:04] Riddell: Will the 1019 i386 alternate daily become the RC or should I wait downloading? [07:04] Sime: and concerning the refreash issue ? any chance it is done toonight ? it is our last chance to upload probably... [07:04] Tonio_: it was accidential absent from the earilier patches. :-/ [07:04] Sime: if not we'll provide a fix after the release [07:04] cmvo: yes, it will [07:05] Tonio_: I've been looking at that problem, and now it is ok on my test machine and I don't know why. ;-/ [07:05] Tonio_: very frustrating. === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:05] Sime: what does it do now when clicking on cance [07:05] Sime: what does it do now when clicking on cancel? [07:05] Riddell: Thanks! [07:05] Sime: I think id depends on how fast the media is mounted [07:05] Tonio_: could be a race condition, yes. === Sime hears pizza. === orkid__ [n=orkid__@bas1-barrie18-1242378266.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech perks up [07:06] Sime: ho I have a question concerning my amarok integration [07:06] Sime: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/displayconfig_trace.txt [07:06] Sime: is there a way to get the real medium path with /media/cdrom0 ? [07:06] converting this to /dev/scd0 ? [07:06] any command allows this ? [07:07] I searched without success [07:07] raphink: What's the status of ichthux with Ubuntu? [07:07] how do you mean DaSkreech? [07:08] I see it turning up on Newsletters and such [07:08] sure [07:08] Is it a recognized derivative? [07:08] it's included in Ubuntu [07:08] So it supported? [07:08] it is [07:08] it's in universe [07:09] it's supported since we are several Ubuntu developers maintaining it [07:09] ;) [07:09] that's about the technical support [07:09] officially Canonical has not said whether they support it or not [07:09] So it is roughly the same as Fluxbuntu? [07:09] not that I know of [07:10] I don't think Fluxuntu has metapackages in ubuntu yet [07:10] but as of the recognition by Canonical, I'd say yes [07:21] ok === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm34.omega19.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:33] fdoving: I think I've found the cause. [07:33] Tonio_: what kind of code are you using? C++? [07:34] Sime: I'd have to do this in a desktop file, so only shell is possible..... [07:35] Sime: you rock :) [07:35] dcop or any other thing is possible, but no C++ possible [07:35] Riddell: ping [07:35] Tonio_: run kdcop [07:35] hi Sime [07:37] Sime: yeah but I didn't find any way to get that info from amarok or k3b... [07:37] Sime: already did [07:37] stat64("/build/buildd/kde-guidance-0.7.0/debian/tmp/usr/share/apps/guidance", 0x7fe19838) = -1 ENOENT (No such [07:37] Tonio_: go to kded / mediamanager [07:37] Tonio_: it has some useful methods. [07:37] Sime: let me check [07:38] Riddell: does that look normal to you? It's the "guidance crashes on PPC" problem. [07:38] Sime: looks like a problem to me [07:38] Riddell: kcmshell can't locate the displayconfig.py to load it. [07:39] Riddell: it looks like a problem in how that little stub *.so was built for displayconfig. [07:41] Sime: hmm, I also have those lines in my strace but it loads fine for me [07:41] http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/displayconfig_trace.txt === Sime is searching... [07:49] Riddell: is displayconfig.py always installed under /var/lib/python-support/... ? [07:49] Sime: never, it's in /usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/displayconfig.py [07:49] we also have /usr/share/apps/guidance/displayconfig.pyc [07:51] open("/var/lib/python-support/python2.4/displayconfig.py", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 16 [07:51] Riddell: that is from your trace. [07:52] (and why the hell doesn't konversation have an Edit->Paste menu item!!!) [07:52] hmm [07:52] /var/lib/python-support/python2.4/displayconfig.py -> /usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/displayconfig.py [07:52] i have: [07:52] kde-guidance: /usr/share/apps/guidance/displayconfig.pyc [07:52] kde-guidance: /usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/displayconfig.py [07:52] i also have the symlinks in /var/lib/python-support/python2.4 [07:52] ok, I see what is happening with /var/lib. cute [07:54] Hawkwind: ping [07:54] DaSkreech: You rang! [07:55] You were going to poke around to find out about ebuntu a month or so ago [07:55] waht came of that? [07:55] Riddell: fdoving's trace never finds displayconfig.py, and then fails. [07:55] fdoving: can you look up the version of your python package? [07:55] Sime: packagename? [07:55] DaSkreech: I got no reply at all. I sent 5 emails and got nothing [07:56] So should we stage a coup? === Sime looks it up. === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [07:57] fdoving: "python2.4" [07:57] Hawkwind: Interested in one? [07:57] Sime: Version: 2.4.4~c1-0ubuntu1 [07:58] Riddell: I'm uploading the kdebase build on my repo for testing [07:58] same as mine [07:58] DaSkreech: From my understanding Ebuntu isn't going to be an official Canonical/Ubuntu supported project. It's a shame, but I wish someone could change that === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:01] hey toma ;) [08:01] Hawkwind: Would be nice to have semi official packages though :) [08:01] fdoving: Now, go to a shell, run python then... [08:01] hi Tonio_ [08:02] fdoving: type "import sys" [08:02] fdoving: type "sys.path" === DaSkreech 's head hurts something fierce [08:02] fdoving: what's the output? [08:02] DaSkreech: Talk to gnomefreak, he was going to try and get my SoS repo added to easysource or source-o-matic or both. I have E17 packages for both Dapper and Edgy now that thousands of users seem to be using without issues [08:03] Sime: ['', '/usr/lib/python24.zip', '/usr/lib/python2.4', '/usr/lib/python2.4/plat-linux2', '/usr/lib/python2.4/lib-tk', '/usr/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages', '/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages', '/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Numeric', '/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/PIL', '/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/cairo', '/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gst-0.10', '/var/lib/python-support/python2.4', '/usr/li [08:03] I guess that for canonical to support [08:03] Hawkwind: did you fix the issue i pointed out in a forum somewhere? (packages installing to /usr/local is -bad-) [08:04] fdoving: can you pastebin that [08:04] DaSkreech: canonical isn't going to support another distro variant, it doesn't even support xubuntu [08:04] Riddell: Sorry Support was a bad choice of words [08:05] Given Recognition is probably closer to what I was thining [08:05] sort of how like UCE is not even acknowleged [08:05] I wouldn't mind ebuntu to be round about where ichtux is now [08:06] Sime: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27356/ [08:11] fdoving: I rarely visit the forums actually. Do you remember where you posted that ? [08:11] fdoving: Also, why is having them install in /usr/local bad and where would it be suggested that they install to ? [08:12] fdoving: that looks ok. === Sime checks the trace again. === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@90.131-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:14] Hawkwind: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1619275&postcount=108 [08:14] Hawkwind: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.1 [08:15] Hawkwind: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/fhs-2.3.html [08:16] more spesifically: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/fhs-2.3.html#USRLOCALLOCALHIERARCHY [08:20] fdoving: Thanks. Reading over all of it now [08:20] Hawkwind: you're welcome :) [08:21] Sime: anything i can do to help you with debugging? [08:23] fdoving: I don't think so. [08:23] fdoving: thanks, [08:24] let me know if there is anything i can do. === Tonio_ [n=tonio@88.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === XtremXpert [n=benoit@Toronto-HSE-ppp3750409.sympatico.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:30] Sime: just installed kde with your patches [08:30] I can see the changes [08:30] but konqueror segfault... [08:31] :-( [08:32] I don't know what is up with that. [08:32] if you open audiocd:/?device=/dev/hdb etc in konq, then it also likes to crash. === Tonio_ [n=tonio@88.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:33] maybe it is the ?device=xxx stuff that gives konq trouble... [08:33] audiocd:/ might just be ok. [08:33] Sime: maybe yes..... [08:34] Sime: what needs changing in you patches then ? [08:34] Sime: ho and it works for the desktop icon, but fails in /media [08:34] if I doubleclick on cdrom0 in /media, still empty folder, so the correction is only partial here (but better than nothing) [08:34] Tonio_: you won't see anything in /media for an audiocd. [08:35] Sime: ah ? [08:35] Tonio_: and there is not really simple way to fix that. Not one that will be ready in time for edgy. [08:35] Sime: yeah okay, I understand === Lure [n=administ@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:36] Sime: what do I have to change in your patches to get the desktop icon simply pointing to audiocd:/ without any parameters ? [08:37] Sime: I really would like to upload toonight, ut that's not possible with a segfault... [08:38] Tonio_: ok. :-) [08:38] Tonio_: shall I quick fix that up here and get you some new patches. [08:38] Sime: perfect [08:39] looks strange and may cause an issue when using 2 cdroms.... [08:39] konqueror shouldn't segfault btw === Tonio_ [n=tonio@88.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:45] Sime: okay I understand hte behavior [08:46] Sime: if ou have preloaded konqueror session, it works [08:46] if you don't have any konqueror process running -> segfault [08:46] Tonio_: konq crashing on audiocd:?device=xx ? [08:46] Sime: yeah [08:46] as long as you have a preloaded konq launched, it works === Sime throws his hands in the air. [08:47] Sime: lol [08:47] Sime: that's why you didn't saw the issue [08:47] if you killall konqueror before doubleclicking the desktop icon, then if crashes [08:47] I've seen it a few times. But last night it was fine. [08:47] Sime: because you had a preloaded konqueror ;) [08:47] probably the reason it worked [08:48] I would say that's a konq bug, not an issue with your patches [08:48] and it can be configured in kds > preload konqueror after kde is started [08:49] Sime: what to do according to you ? fix your patches or consider this a konqueror issue ? [08:50] "fixing" the patches is faster. [08:51] Sime: in the shell -> killall konqueror && konqueror audiocd:/?device=/dev/scd0 [08:51] that fails [08:51] Sime: in the shell -> killall konqueror && konqueror audiocd:/ [08:51] works [08:51] ok [08:51] so that's really a konqueror issue, should be reproductable on another distro I assume [08:52] Sime: well yes, fixing your patches is probably better, but we should remove your fix once konqueror handles urls correctly [08:52] Sime: so I would suggest to backup the current patches :) [08:54] Sime: kfmclient openProfile filemanagement audiocd:/?device=/dev/scd0 [08:54] works......... tricky :) [08:56] Sime: I will report to kde svn [08:57] "Feisty Fawn" (?) [09:01] Feisty Fawn, Ubuntu 7.04 :P [09:03] I'm still busy with the Erratic Eft! [09:05] Riddell: did you commit the kubuntu-docs patch yesterday/today? [09:16] nixternal: no, I don't think it's allowed [09:26] thanks Riddell! hey, how come the RC page didn't get in the release announcement this time around? [09:27] nixternal: I think because ubuntu didn't have one it wasn't in the template, it'll be the main link in a minute when I put it on kubuntu.org === toma is now known as toma_ [09:29] Riddell: I can do one or two install (possibly many more plain live CD) tests -- would you recommend I try the RC now or try a daily image in a couple of days? [09:29] apokryphos: testing in a couple of days time would probably be more helpful [09:29] I know it's not too much help, but life is too annoying atm =) [09:29] ok, no problem === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | RC out | Buglist at https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuEdgyKnownProblems [09:39] what is the reason kubuntu-desktop doesnt depend on firefox? because its GTK? [09:40] gnomefreak: because kubuntu use konqueror. [09:41] gnomefreak: Konqueror/KHTML is really quite nice 8) [09:41] fdoving: i know that is a reason but my personal thought is for ubuntu and kubuntu-desktops should include 2 browsers just incase there is an issue with one. but the reason i ask is someone want to have a mozilla-support-kde like ther eis one for gnome (cant remember the name of package) [09:42] do you mean a Qt port of Firefox? [09:43] apokryphos: he wants it to be defualt for mailto in kmail but i dont know if when installing firefox it "takes" as the default browser [09:43] is a good idea [09:43] I'm not sure how much space is left on the images, but I think Firefox would bring in a lot of extra depends [09:43] agreed [09:43] gnomefreak: nope, a browser in KDE doesn't become default unless you tell kcontrol/systemsettings for that to be the case [09:43] bug 66990 [09:43] Malone bug 66990 in kubuntu-meta "kubuntu/firefox should per default open mailto: with kmail" [Wishlist,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/66990 [09:44] gnomefreak: firefox does not take the default browser role. [09:44] fdoving: thats the point. the user would like it to [09:44] not really easy to do, as there isn't a seperate package for Firefox-KDE [09:44] and a user can quite easily always have ubuntu and kubuntu [09:44] fdoving: so installing firefox would overwrite any defaults is what it looks like he wants [09:44] gnomefreak: then they can change the settings in kde's systemsettings [09:45] that's a fairly bad presumption [09:45] perhaps some people would argue for a pop-up on firefox first-run asking it, but the general gist of Kubuntu is to minimise annoying startup-wizards, pop-upconfigurations etc [09:46] I don't really think the setting for the default browser is in an obscure place === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:47] Riddell: clean install of RC, new profile - Admin Mode in knetworkconf does not work (no password dialog= [09:47] i will reject it i just have to think what to say [09:48] gnomefreak: newly installed software should not, take over existing settings, and (possibly) break a working system or change anything without the confirmation of the user. === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["The] [09:48] Lure: works for me, any other apps work with kdesu? anyone else have the same issue? [09:49] on Firefox and KDE it should presumably take KDE's default mailclient though [09:49] fdoving: that would be the new package that he wants kde to have to do that [09:49] (which is what I think the guy means, as you mentioned before) [09:49] apokryphos: ah, that's something else. [09:49] indeed [09:50] he wants a package with : pref("network.protocol-handler.app.mailto", "kmailservice"); line in it but why doesnt he make a script for that === fdoving reads the bugreport. [09:50] :) [09:51] im sure it would have to be more than just that line though [09:52] it's more complicated than just making that file, really [09:52] i figured that much :) [09:52] nothing is that easy [09:52] it's a good start, and that will make firefox use kmailservice for mailto:s [09:52] when it should be taking the KDE default [09:53] i dont see whats wrong with konq. [09:53] it's a wishlist for a new package, that makes firefox more kde friendly. [09:53] gnomefreak: nothing, it's perfect ;-) [09:53] it should be used by default since its the only browser other than text [09:54] it is. but we're talking about a optional 'make firefox nicer with kde' package [09:54] Riddell: both kdesu, kdesu-stub and sudo are running, just no dialog [09:54] sure, but it's just fair enough if people want to use other browsers, and we should still try to make the transition as friendly as possible [09:54] fdoving: i didnt say it was a bad idea i think its a pretty good idea but is it a way kubuntu really wants to go [09:54] Riddell: will reboot now as some packages were upgraded, but I doubt it is it... [09:55] gnomefreak: can't see why supporting firefox users, and making firefox work nicer with KDE can be a problem? [09:56] i agree but the coding hasnt begun yet. but either way i thought a good idea to let you guys know. and this isnt the first time its been asked to add support for ff to kubuntu [09:57] i remeber like 4 bugs that i read the other day adding ff to kubuntu and other supportish requests [09:57] a Firefox-Qt port is very unlikely (tried in the past, got loads of hype, died before it become mature) but small things like that should be addressed === gnomefreak personally would wait until the debate is over about ff [09:57] Riddell: works after reboot :-( === Lure got strange issue for the second time today [09:58] gnomefreak: whether it should be included in the Kubu image? Not really going to happen, I think. [09:58] apokryphos: i doubt that too [09:59] there a re alot of depends (more than i would have thought) [09:59] s/a re/are [10:00] Riddell: I think bug 66813 should be targeted for release - I will look into this [10:00] Malone bug 66813 in kdeadmin "kcm_knetworkconfmodule adds hostname to 127.0.0.1 line" [Critical,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/66813 [10:02] Riddell: actually it is already targeted - is anybody working on this? === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:13] Lure: not that i know of [10:14] Riddell: ok, I am downloading source now === Riddell hugs Lure === seaLne is doing 1.4MiB/s of torrents currently mainly the rc :) [10:23] nice [10:24] is the dvd in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/ also effectivly rc? [10:24] yes, it is [10:24] although I don't know if it's linked from anywhere [10:25] its not that i can see but i'll grab to test tommorow anyway [10:26] i'm not sure what it is that causes rsyncs never to work from uni for the isos, its strange [10:27] Tonio_: testing. === toma_ is now known as toma [10:30] Sime: great === apokryphos [n=ubuntu@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:33] weirdly wget has very strange size info when getting the dvd isos [10:33] amd: -6,754,304 ppc: -78,450,688 i386: 168,402,944 [10:34] so I fired up the desktop RC image (in live session), and got a few issues so far [10:34] it's definitely taken way longer than old images to start up, and I've got Error - artsmessage on logging in - "cpu overload, aborting" [10:34] though in general, now that KDE's fired up, it seems to run quite quick [10:36] and noo! Konsole background is black :D === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:38] rc images have been released? [10:38] yeah [10:38] ok with rsync do i just rerun the same command same file also to update it? [10:39] rsync -vPz rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/*i386.iso /home/gnomefreak/edgy-desktop-i386.iso is what i ran [10:40] you can use rsync to update or download directly, yeah [10:41] announced on ubuntu-announce [10:42] yeah i got that but is it same command to update it? [10:42] i looked in the man and it really didnt say [10:43] hm, not sure, let me check the man page [10:43] the annouce is wher ei got the idea to try rsync but it also didnt state that you have to use a dir. in the command [10:44] rsync --help says to use -u but also --inplace :( than says see man page [10:44] :( [10:46] really not sure, I'd quite badly end up using trial and error perhaps [10:46] seems like it would be rsync -vPzu--inplace rsync.......iso [10:47] you'd need a space between u and --inplace [10:47] oooh === ryanakca waves at his license plate :) [10:48] anybody having trouble with kopete not singing into anything? (to the point of it not even opening kwallet for passwords?) [10:49] ryanakca: run it from konsole, I bet it doesn't reach kwallet at all. === apokryphos tries [10:49] i asked in motu to be sure [10:49] Tonio_: I've updated the wiki with the new links [10:49] Tonio_: go for it! [10:50] can't sign on too -- http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27376/ [10:50] Tm_T: QDateTime::fromString: Parameter out of range ? === nuku [n=nuku@unaffiliated/nuku] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:51] In the System Menu it says "Users Folders" [10:51] ...that really should be "Users' Folders" [10:52] yeah [10:52] apokryphos: that "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166"... nothing new... I've always had that... [10:52] ryanakca: Nah. [10:53] curious, there's no other terminal output [10:53] I haven't upgraded since tuesday... === Tm_T uses svn version [10:53] And no problems here. [10:53] was working before I logged out and in ten seconds ago... [10:53] Tm_T: straight from source? or did you make a package of it? [10:54] well it certainly doesn't sign on using msn protocol and AIM here [10:54] ryanakca: No point to make package, I follow strictly every commit. :) [10:54] lol [10:54] MSN, AIM, Jabber, ICQ are broken here [10:54] I don't get the dialog asking for my kwallet pass... === apokryphos too [10:54] IRC is working though, it appears [10:54] so, either it's kwallet, or kopete... I'll try not saving the pass... see if it's kwallet === apokryphos tries to use kwallet === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:56] umm... where the **** is my wallet... kwallet opens a window, and my wallet is usually there... [10:56] firing up kde wallet manager, then file -> new wallet, doesn't work [10:56] now I just get an empty white window with kwallet menus [10:57] ok, so, I disabled 'remember password' for msn in kopete... [10:57] though I can't find kde wallet under systemsettings, but also: going to systemsettings -> user management -> administrator mode fails [10:57] I go to sign onto the network, in msn alone, and still not prompt from kopete for the pass === apokryphos should perhaps be making bug reports [10:57] yes === apokryphos heads off to LP [10:58] here, I'll report the "kwallets mysteriously disappear after recent upgrade" one, and you can file the other ones :) [10:58] my issue is probably tied in with yours, so I'll add a comment to yours if you give me a bug no. === mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:58] hi all [10:59] kk [10:59] hello [10:59] hey mhb [10:59] Sime: okay I'm testing this, thanks ! [11:03] hmm... another thing, I go to desktop, right click cd icon -> eject: The KDE Media Manager is not running [11:04] is there going to be a meeting where we'll (you'll) discuss the features for Feisty Fawn? [11:04] Feisty Fawn? It's been decided already? heh [11:05] ryanakca: yeah ... I expected something like that (D->E->F) [11:05] mhb, yes thats what the UDS in Mountain View is for [11:05] imbrandon: hm, but not everyone is invited or able to attend, you know [11:06] yeah, look at sabdfl's user page... it explains the naming stuff === ryanakca can't imagine 10.10... it's so... far [11:06] mhb, correct but you can propose specs even if your not going [11:07] imbrandon: so propose first/discuss later? [11:08] propose --> gets accepted --> talked about and planed at mtv [11:09] imbrandon: shouldn't proposals contain some technical details already? [11:09] most of the time yes [11:10] mhb, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-October/000207.html [11:11] apokryphos: bug 67017 [11:11] Malone bug 67017 in kdeutils "KWallets disappear after 061017's upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/67017 [11:12] imbrandon: "it is wise to discuss it on (IRC) (...) before proposing [11:12] " [11:13] ryanakca: thanks [11:13] so it's discuss first/then propose/then discuss a bit more [11:13] that's what I wanted to know, thanks [11:13] mhb, not really they are discussed with those involved, not a meeting [11:14] and sometimes not at all [11:14] apokryphos: are you going to report that kopete's "remember password" is broken? (aka, it does not 'unremember' password) or can I? [11:15] ryanakca: I didn't notice that, I couldn't even log on with any of the protocols apart from IRC [11:15] kk [11:17] I'll go 'head then :) [11:17] can anyone tell my why there are python*ubuntu packages and also just normal python* packages? [11:17] imbrandon: hmm ... I read through the spec lists, not many KDE/Kubuntu-specific entries there [11:19] ooh, gaim doesn't look as bad as it used to :) [11:20] Riddell: debdiff for bug 66813 is attached to bug - luckly it is simple fix in perl script (backend) [11:20] Malone bug 66813 in kdeadmin "kcm_knetworkconfmodule adds hostname to 127.0.0.1 line" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/66813 [11:20] Riddell: not sure what is now procedure to get such changes in though (just ping anz -coredev)? [11:21] Lure: not sure what current procedure is, I'll ask [11:22] apokryphos: is that a confirm for (bug) 67017 [11:22] Lure: I can't see anything attached on that bug [11:23] ryanakca: I can confirm I experience the problem, yes [11:25] I don't want to post mindlessly a few specs just for them to get declined, so I'll rather ask first: 1. Would it be possible/desirable for the Kopete in Feisty to support libjingle (voice over Jabber)? 2. Should I write the spec about the Grub configuration tool for systemsettings I am most probably going to co-write for Feisty? [11:26] Riddell: strange... It does not get attached in konqueror... will trz again [11:26] Lure: I had the same issue earlier === Lure forgot to checkmark "Include attachement" ;-) [11:27] Riddell: you have it now [11:28] is there a fix for the critical qpixmap bug in qt / kdelibs yet? i applied the redhat proposed patch for qt which stops konqueror from crashing but in a suboptimal manner (huge picture will not be shown) :/ === ubuntu [n=ubuntu@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:36] geh! Evil amarok icons by default =) [11:37] we have the default amarok icons by default [11:37] I know, sucks :P [11:38] windeco is really very nice, clean. Artwork altogether this time round is really nice [11:38] smoother colours (splash, background, etc) [11:39] go kwwii [11:39] kwwii: speaking of you, what plans for website artwork and announcement image? [11:40] yeah, good stuff. Last time round (dapper) it pained me :P [11:41] Riddell: I have been working on them...I should have something in the next days [11:41] um ... should I write the specs or should I rather keep quiet now? [11:42] mhb: specs about what? [11:43] feisty [11:43] the two suggestions I had a few lines above [11:43] mhb: ah, missed that [11:44] mhb: adding libjingle isn't a spec issue [11:44] mhb: it just needs a main inclusion review and the right people poked [11:44] hmmm... why is it that we got rid of the option of controling the volume with the keyboard? [11:44] mhb: a spec for grub configuration would be groovy [11:44] Riddell: there are some problems involved, AFAIK [11:44] Riddell: but ok, I'll do the second spec [11:45] mhb: make sure you include UI mockups that we can run past usability dudes [11:45] ryanakca: we havn't [11:45] moins all === ryanakca had set his keyboard's volup, voldown, mute keys to their respective commands in kcontrol's keyboard shortcut's thing, and now, they don't work, and I can't find the fields to set them up again... (all after the recent upgrade that caused kopete + kwalletmanager to break :| )... [11:46] of course, I might just be having hallucinations... :D === mbiebl [n=michael@e180090140.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:46] ryanakca: dapper or edgy? [11:47] ryanakca: regional & language [11:48] edgy [11:49] apokryphos: yes, it's still the right keyboard map and model... I'm talking about 'Keyboard & Mouse' -> 'Keyboard Shortcuts' [11:50] I guess you mean hotkeys [11:51] good night all and thanks for everything [11:52] gnight mhb [11:53] hum time for some food [11:53] Riddell, is it almost cd testing time ? [11:53] i have a iBook i need to reload soonish and RC would be a good test ;) [11:53] brb, supper [11:54] imbrandon: RC images are out! =) [11:54] apokryphos, cool ( i just got on the computer a few minutes ago heh ) [11:55] havent caught up on my mail and such [11:55] imbrandon: all links on the ubuntu-announce list [11:55] k, yea like i said hadent caught up on my mail, thanks for the headsup [11:56] kk some food, bbiab [11:56] btw apokryphos long time no see, how ya been [11:56] seaLne: apt-setup upload just happened you might like, stops it validating mirrors if it doesn't need them, should stop hangs for proxies [11:57] imbrandon: yeah, I've been swarmed in from my University and moving into a new flat, but I've been good (apart from a little ill today) =). How about yourself? [11:58] great , swamped myself actualy but it seems to have died back that last few days [11:59] gnite [11:59] l8tr fdoving [11:59] 'night fdoving [11:59] imbrandon: cool, glad to hear it [12:08] Riddell: yeah saw the bug comment [12:09] said he'd wait till after rc