[12:21] <Riddell> lexual: hi
[12:27] <lexual> Riddell: G'Day
[12:27] <DaSkreech> G'night!
[12:27] <lexual> Riddell: check out: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/66827
[12:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66827 in kdebase "[site-issue]  konqueror doesnt handle frames correctly. eg http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[12:28] <Riddell> lexual: seen it, there's nothing I can think of in kubuntu which would affect it
[12:29] <lexual> Interesting, I just installed edgy and sid side by side to test it. They definitely render it differently.
[12:30] <Riddell> now that's weird
[12:31] <Riddell> we don't patch khtml at all
[12:31] <Riddell> lexual: it would probably need someone to build kdelibs without any kubuntu patches and add back the patches to work out which it was
[12:36] <lexual> Riddell: What did you think of my comment on filing bugs against kdebase vs konqueror?
[12:37] <Riddell> lexual: that's a launchpad issue, you need to take it up with them
[12:38] <lexual> I'll start a thread in launchpad-users
[12:39] <Riddell> lexual: the issue is being able to report in binary package names as well as source package names
[12:42] <lexual> Riddell: cool, just posted to launchpad-users, hopefully there's an easy fix.
[01:57] <Tonio_> lexual: ping ?
[01:57] <Tonio_> lexual: concerning that frame issue I already saw that and did a few tests...
[01:57] <Tonio_> I took the non working html page and put them without ANY change, on my webserver
[01:57] <Tonio_> there it works
[01:58] <Riddell> curiouser and curiouser
[01:58] <Tonio_> looks like a very strange issue, maybe a bug with frames and certain caracters in the url or something
[01:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I couldn't bleive it myself...
[01:58] <Tonio_> beleive
[01:58] <Tonio_> rah ! "believe"
[01:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tried to play with charset too, doesn't change anything....
[02:05] <lexual> Tonio_: good work.
[02:06] <lexual> Riddell: do you subscribe to kde-devel list?
[02:07] <Tonio_> lexual: found the issue :)
[02:07] <Tonio_> hard to resolve....
[02:07] <Riddell> lexual: yes, although I don't usually read it
[02:07] <Tonio_> lexual: get the code and test locally -> it fails
[02:07] <Riddell> lexual: read the post about google though
[02:07] <Tonio_> change all the code to lowercase -> it works........
[02:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: funny isn't it ? ;)
[02:08] <Riddell> Sime: you were complaining earlier about sound being out of sync on flash
[02:08] <Riddell> Sime: looks like adobe heard you
[02:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: that has to be the weirdest beastie ever
[02:08] <Tonio_> lexual: so that's a lowercase/uppercase issue
[02:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe, yes :) I don't see how except a khtml guru can fix this
[02:09] <Tonio_> lexual: there is also an html error, <link> outside of <head>
[02:09] <Tonio_> lexual: the code is crappy, don't blame khtml to fail on crappy code.... most websites with frame work here.
[02:09] <lexual> Interesting.
[02:09] <Tonio_> lexual: to reproduce ->
[02:10] <Tonio_> grab index.html and index_page.html
[02:10] <Tonio_> test locally and you'll see the issue
[02:10] <Tonio_> then use kate to change to lowercase on index_page
[02:10] <Tonio_> and reopen index.html locally
[02:11] <Tonio_> you should see the frames displayed correctly, can you confirm ?
[02:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah flash9 uses alsa by default, great news, just have to wait for beta to be out now...
[02:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: you're so behind the times http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/10/beta_is_live.html
[02:14] <lexual> awesome
[02:14] <imbrandon> wow rockin
[02:14] <imbrandon> and i just packaged gnash last night
[02:14] <lexual> Tonio_: what do I change to lowercase?
[02:14] <imbrandon> ;/
[02:14] <Riddell> works fine in konqueror too
[02:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah !
[02:14] <Riddell> imbrandon: oh?
[02:15] <imbrandon> Riddell, yup ( still has a few issues but works ) i'm trying to get it ready for Feisty
[02:15] <Tonio_> imbrandon: and how is gnash now ? does it have sound now ?
[02:15] <imbrandon> Riddell, want a link ? to my work in progress ?
[02:15] <imbrandon> Tonio_, yes via GST
[02:15] <lexual> pity it's unlikely to be released before edgy.
[02:15] <Tonio_> imbrandon: last time I gave a try, only the standalone player worked...
[02:15] <Riddell> imbrandon: I don't really have time just now
[02:15] <Tonio_> imbrandon: and how about the konq extention ? does it work now, or is just the mozilla plugin ?
[02:16] <imbrandon> Tonio_, http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss_gnash.png is it working on my ppc 
[02:16] <imbrandon> Tonio_, just mozilla but konqui will use the mozilla one
[02:16] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yeah but there also klash supposed to be optimised for konqueror afaik
[02:16] <imbrandon> sorry, bad link http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss_gnash1.png
[02:16] <Tonio_> never worked here :)
[02:17] <imbrandon> klash dosent compile atm
[02:17] <imbrandon> that was a major headache
[02:17] <Tonio_> imbrandon: interesting indeed, I hope it'll be ready for edgy+1
[02:17] <Tonio_> the problem is that it will not support flash9...
[02:18] <imbrandon> yea it only supports flash7 
[02:18] <imbrandon> but its a start
[02:19] <Tonio_> imbrandon: afaik flash8 video are sometimes working.
[02:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can't seem to find flash 9 on adobe website.... I'm redirected automatically to french page which has flash7 only......
[02:20] <imbrandon> yea only "fully" support flash7 i should say and "some" flash 8
[02:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you dcc me flash9 please ?
[02:21] <lexual> Tonio_: not sure if I did the right thing. grabbed index.html and index_page.html. Then I changed tags in index_page.html to lowercase, still didn't change anything.
[02:21] <Tonio_> lexual: bah I tested 3 times here with success
[02:21] <lexual> Did I do the right thing, did you change index.html ?
[02:24] <Tonio_> lexual: nope, only index_page
[02:24] <lexual> Tonio_: and changing tags to lowercase caused index_page to render correctly?
[02:24] <Tonio_> lexual: yes
[02:25] <Tonio_> just retested here, same result
[02:25] <Tonio_> lexual: in fact you don't need index.html to test, just open index_page in konq
[02:25] <lexual> Tonio_: I'll try again. i.e. wget index.html index_page.html, then edit index_page
[02:26] <Tonio_> lexual: okay
[02:26] <imbrandon> hum i cant find a download link for 9 Riddell, have you actualy downloaded it yet ?
[02:26] <Tonio_> well note that when I lowercase the code, I get a 404 error on the upper frame (good) but I don't see the forum on the bottom frame (bad)
[02:26] <Tonio_> it only partly resolve the issue
[02:27] <lexual> 404 is due to changing link part of UBB
[02:27] <lexual> http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/cgi-bin/UBB/ultimatebb.cgi
[02:28] <Tonio_> yes
[02:28] <Tonio_> lexual: another interesting test, change the code to lowercase
[02:29] <Tonio_> still fails on the bottom frame
[02:29] <Tonio_> now change the urls of the frames
[02:29] <Tonio_> for example google.com and yahoo.com -> works......;
[02:29] <Tonio_> honnestly, this website is a shit part of code......
[02:30] <Tonio_> 2 vertical frames, with 2 horizontal frames on the right frame, plus a UBB template that causes issues........ my god......
[02:30] <Riddell> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/
[02:30] <Tonio_> lexual: in my opinion, the issue is more the website than khtml, this is a horrible construction
[02:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks
[02:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: where was the link ? did I miss it ?
[02:30] <lexual> Tonio_: The real question is why to render perfectly in debian 3.5.5 and poorly in ubuntu 3.5.5 ???
[02:31] <Tonio_> lexual: hum, hard to say.... has riddell said, we don't patch khtml at all...
[02:31] <imbrandon> gah still no ppc or amd64 linux builds
[02:31] <Tonio_> lexual: can be due to UTF_8 by default in ubuntu
[02:32] <Tonio_> lexual: charset is generally my response when I don't see anything logical :)
[02:33] <lexual> I thought etch was utf8 by default. Can anyone confirm?
[02:33] <lexual> Tonio_: if you want me to boot back into debian and check some charset stuff I will, let me know.
[02:33] <Tonio_> lexual: I can't I didn't touch debian for a year :)
[02:33] <Tonio_> lexual: yeah okay
[02:33] <lexual> OK, be back in 5
[02:34] <Tonio_> lexual: the point is there are thousands of websites with frames and I never saw that error except on that page....
[02:34] <Tonio_> so it is hard to consider that a khtml bug since it would fail on most frame based wensites
[02:36] <jdong> imbrandon: when you get a spare moment (ha, I know you're a busy man), could you help me figure out why ktorrent in dapper-backports/ppc is not building, when it builds fine in edgy/ppc and in dapper-backports/all_other_archs?
[02:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho my god ! it is the first time I can see a flash movie in konq without sound sync issue
[02:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: very strange feeling ! but a good one
[02:37] <Riddell> jdong: it doesn't build because autotools thinks it needs to run itself
[02:37] <imbrandon> jdong, yea i'll check it here latertonight
[02:37] <jdong> Riddell: make it stop.... waaah :)
[02:37] <jdong> actually, I don't have a PPC so as long as I do some gmail filters it doesn't bother me one bit :D
[02:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've started to patch k3b for konqueror integration (audio cd ripping), still things to do but it works
[02:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: sounds interesting
[02:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: well if I can do what I want, it'll be exactly the same process than with kaudiocreator, no difference
[02:41] <Tonio_> but I still have to patch to allow k3b to be launched in the shell with a --device parameter...
[02:41] <Tonio_> I looked at the code and I think I'll be able to handle this, even if k3b code is hudge...
[02:42] <Tonio_> once that done I'll be able to open k3b in audioripping mode
[02:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: and amarok integration is already finished  for audiocd playing
[02:44] <Tonio_> we'll be able to test this at uds, that's the point
[02:56] <freeflying> morning alll
[03:03] <imbrandon> wow Riddell it does work really well in konqui
[03:04] <lexual> Tonio_: OK, back in debian.
[03:07] <lexual> http://librarian.launchpad.net/4889952/snapshot1.png
[03:07] <lexual> Tonio_: what can I do to check the charset stuff?
[03:09] <Tonio_> echo $LANG ;)
[03:10] <lexual> en_AU.UTF-8
[03:10] <Tonio_> hum, and that works........ amazing........
[03:10] <Tonio_> lexual: I may not be able to help you now......
[03:10] <Tonio_> looks like several issues are combined...
[03:11] <Tonio_> the first one concerns the upercase stuff
[03:11] <Tonio_> the second if why the board fails to display.....; I don't have the response and may not be able to help on that point.....
[03:11] <lexual> You should add a comment to the bug report, of what you have found out.
[03:12] <Tonio_> lexual: will do
[04:10] <Hawkwind> So Edgy+1 finally has a name :)
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: and it is?
[04:11] <nixternal> feisty fawn ;)
[04:11] <Hawkwind> Feisty Fawn
[04:11] <Jucato> Feisty Fawn
[04:11] <Jucato> :P
[04:11] <Hawkwind> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-October/000212.html
[04:11] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:11] <nixternal> isn't the fawn that gets eaten by the tiger all the time?  someone has already made the comment
[04:12] <Jucato> well a feisty fawn would certainly be able to out smart and out manouver the tiger :)
[04:12] <nixternal> but a fawn is so small, cute, and SLOW :0
[04:12] <nixternal> hehe
[04:12] <Jucato> heheh
[04:13] <nixternal> don't know what happened to my smiley, obvioulsy missed the shift key
[04:13] <Jucato> well, there are always some mutations in nature. this could probably be one of them :P
[04:13] <nixternal> i know at least 4 of mine didn't get in
[04:13] <nixternal> and all 4 were new upstream releases
[04:14] <Hobbsee> due to typos :P
[04:14] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hmmm?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> nixternal: where were they?
[04:14] <nixternal> on revu still im sure
[04:14] <imbrandon> nixternal , flash9 on yoooootube http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss109.png
[04:14] <imbrandon> :)
[04:15] <nixternal> heh, more times than you could ever imagine
[04:15] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:15] <nixternal> omg imbrandon, and it is shakira
[04:15] <nixternal> hahahaha
[04:16] <imbrandon> and katie holmes ;)
[04:16] <imbrandon> heh
[04:16] <Jucato> lol
[04:16] <nixternal> ya, katie holmes before she became a retard
[04:16] <nixternal> she is another basket case waiting for a space ship to come take her from this evil planet
[04:16] <imbrandon> why?
[04:16] <imbrandon> Jucato, ^
[04:17] <Jucato> imbrandon: coz you always listen to her? :)
[04:17] <nixternal> ok imbrandon, and i am waiting for the link so I CAN GET FLASH9 TOO ;)
[04:17] <nixternal> winky
[04:17] <imbrandon> i havent made a package yet but here is the direct download http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[04:18] <imbrandon> i'll blog with a package later
[04:18] <nixternal> hrmm...it seems the screenshots abatoir sent me were w/o background
[04:18] <nixternal> cool
[04:18] <imbrandon> works with konqui too just fine
[04:19] <jjesse> evening
[04:19] <nixternal> hiya jjesse
[04:19] <imbrandon> ello jjesse
[04:19] <Hobbsee> hey jjesse :
[04:19] <Hobbsee> )
[04:19] <jjesse> hiya 
[04:19] <nixternal> hehe
[04:19] <jjesse> hello Hobbsee
[04:19] <jjesse> hi imbrandon
[04:19] <jjesse> man it sucks to only be on irc at night and the client i'm at blocks it :(
[04:19] <nixternal> jjesse: have you tried the cgi client on ichthux.com?
[04:20] <jjesse> no i'll hav to try it tomorrow
[04:20] <Hawkwind> Does all of youtube use flash 9 ?  Certainly not
[04:21] <nixternal> no, cuz i don't have flash 9 and watch youtube like crazy
[04:21] <imbrandon> no Hawkwind thats just the site i tested it with
[04:21] <Hawkwind> Hmmm, I've installed flash 9 earlier and not sure if it's working.  Anyone have a site that uses flash 9 for sure ?
[04:22] <Jucato> Hawkwind: test it with regular Flash 7 or 8 sites?
[04:22] <nixternal>     File name: libflashplayer.so
[04:22] <nixternal>     Shockwave Flash 9.0 d55
[04:22] <nixternal> wo0t
[04:22] <Hawkwind> Not sure that will do any good.  I've always had flash 7 working.  But I need a site that uses flash 8 or higher to verify my flash 9 install is working
[04:23] <imbrandon> Hawkwind, just goto "about:plugins" in ff
[04:23] <imbrandon> it will tell the version loaded
[04:23] <Hawkwind> Yeah just thought about that.  Gotta restart swiftfox and see
[04:24] <nixternal> heh, well it doesn't work so good
[04:25] <nixternal> as you can't use it to play flash games, it gives you "this browser cannot play this game"
[04:25] <nixternal> i wanna play zuma
[04:25] <Jucato> lol
[04:26] <Hobbsee> nixternal: user ident.
[04:26] <nixternal> tried that already
[04:26] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i thought that zuma required shockwave though
[04:26] <Hobbsee> nixternal: where was the zuma?
[04:26] <imbrandon> it played frogger just fine for me
[04:27] <nixternal> ya, im a retard, leave me alone, i will go stand in the corner and look at the wall
[04:27] <Hawkwind> w00t, flash 9 is now working
[04:28] <nixternal> that it is..i am playing tank right now
[04:29] <Hawkwind> So who's going to be the first to make deb packages :P
[04:31] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: whoever doestn make it with checkinstall
[04:31] <Hawkwind> Hah
[04:31] <Hawkwind> I should create a petition to get the developer/maintainer of checkinstall to stop making that damn app
[04:31] <Jucato> lol
[04:32] <Jucato> Hawkwind: and at the same time, put up your own howto/wiki on how to do things properly :P
[04:32] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: it segfauled mostly thru dapper.  some idiot fixed it.
[04:32] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Please don't tell me who!  I'd have to find them and do serious bodily injury :P
[04:32] <Jucato> hm... what if Hobbsee did it? :P
[04:33] <Hawkwind> Jucato: She knows better :)
[04:33] <Jucato> well, she has her days :)
[04:33] <Jucato> or maybe jdng did it :)
[04:33] <Jucato> oh please don't let jdong package Flash 9 heheh
[04:34] <Hawkwind> He'd backport it if it were out there :P
[04:34] <Hobbsee> i didnt do it
[04:39] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: interesting background
[04:39] <Hawkwind> Who is it that has packaged gnash ?
[04:40] <Hawkwind> Is it imbrandon or nixternal ??
[04:42] <imbrandon> Hawkwind, i'm working on it 
[04:42] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, hehe
[04:42] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Ah ok.  Someone in #Kubuntu was just asking about it
[04:42] <imbrandon> Hawkwind, flash9 and gnash
[04:42] <Hawkwind> And I knew one of you had been working on it
[04:42] <imbrandon> Hawkwind, its not ready for the public yet ( either one )
[04:42] <imbrandon> it will be in the next day(s)
[04:42] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Right, I remembered that.  Just need a brain refresher :P
[04:42] <imbrandon> :)
[04:43] <Hawkwind> It's hell to get old :P
[04:43] <imbrandon> lol
[04:43] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, you dont like my background ? i was gonna petition to make it default for feisty
[04:43] <Jucato> hm.... it's hell to be getting oldER every day... :)
[04:43] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:44] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: What background ?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:44] <Jucato> Hawkwind: imbrandon's wallpaper
[04:44] <imbrandon> Hawkwind, http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss109.png
[04:44] <Hawkwind> Ohhhhh
[04:44] <Hawkwind> LOL good one!
[04:44] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, it changes daily almost though
[04:44] <Hawkwind> She's feisty isn't she ?
[04:44] <imbrandon> i have lots ;)
[04:44] <Jucato> imbrandon: maybe for the K release, Kute Katie?
[04:44] <Hawkwind> Hah
[04:45] <imbrandon> no they are all G rated, i have kids you know ;)
[04:47] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: what, that makes a difference?
[04:49] <imbrandon> hehe well i dont want them walking in to a computer screen of a nekiid woman
[04:49] <Hawkwind> Why not, it educates them!
[04:49] <Hawkwind> Hah, just kidding
[04:49] <imbrandon> Hawkwind, hahah i would much rather they be educated at 18+ ;P
[04:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: *g*
[04:49] <imbrandon> or 30+ or 40+ 
[04:49] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:49] <imbrandon> ( in my duaghters case )
[04:50] <imbrandon> yes i know that shovinistic but its my perogitive as a dad , shush
[04:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: how old's your daughter?
[04:50] <imbrandon> one is almost 2 the other is 9
[04:50] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:51] <imbrandon> get an apple heheh
[04:51] <Hobbsee> dad's got a dual core that i'm looking to inherit
[04:52] <imbrandon> nice
[04:52] <Hobbsee> he's decided he likes it though
[04:52] <imbrandon> lol
[04:52] <Hawkwind> Is hoping to get a nice iBook later this year from a friend.  
[04:52] <Hawkwind> I believe it's a 1.8GHz or there abouts
[04:52] <Hobbsee> :(
[04:52] <jjesse> Hobbsee: if it has the intel q965 chipset it won't boot kubuntu
[04:52] <Hobbsee> indeed
[04:52] <Hobbsee> jjesse: right, good to know
[04:52] <Hobbsee> thanks
[04:52] <jjesse> not without passing commands to remove acpi 
[04:52] <Hobbsee> right
[04:52] <Hobbsee> which i dont really want to do :P
[04:52] <jjesse> both in dapper and edgy, created a bug on it
[04:53] <imbrandon> jjesse, 4 of my system have to remove acpi, most HP non-laptops have buggy acpi support
[04:53] <imbrandon> thats a common linux issue
[04:53] <jjesse> imbrandon: i'm trying to use Altiris to image new DC7700's and I can't boot :(
[04:56] <jjesse> ie7 has now released its final version :)
[04:56] <Hobbsee> does it work?
[04:56] <jjesse> yeah i like it better the Firefox in windows to be honest 
[04:57] <imbrandon> i hate the way ie7 does tabs
[04:57] <imbrandon> plus its uses too much memory that way
[04:57] <Jucato> ooh. thanks for the warning imbrandon. I just downloaded it
[04:57] <jjesse> i have a problem w/ Firfox hogging memory
[04:57] <imbrandon> its a new instance of ie7 for each tab 
[04:58] <jjesse> really?  that's not what i show in task manager, running ie7 w/ 7 tabas open right now only one instance of iexplore in task manager
[05:03] <imbrandon> yup read the ie7 blog, it explains it
[05:03] <jjesse> hmm i'll have to look at it
[05:03] <imbrandon> says why they had to do it that way ( basicly becouse they were lazy and dident want to write proper code )
[05:03] <Jucato> lol
[05:04] <Jucato> and they say "upgrade with confidence"?
[05:04] <jjesse> Jucato: i've had no problems w/ ie7 been using it sicne beta 1
[05:05] <Jucato> hehe :)
[05:05] <Jucato> still too scared to install it on my sister's PC :)
[05:05] <imbrandon> Jucato, dont worry in 2 weeks its a manditory update
[05:05] <imbrandon> so you wont have a choice
[05:05] <Jucato> ouch
[05:06] <Jucato> lol
[05:06] <jjesse> unless you block it
[05:06] <jjesse> there are several ways to do it, includign an official way from MS
[05:06] <imbrandon> ( that in turn will block other future updates and leave a security breach in ie6 )
[05:06] <jjesse> so companies can block it until they are ready
[05:07] <imbrandon> yea you have to officaly hack the registry if you dont want it
[05:07] <imbrandon> real user friendly
[05:07] <imbrandon> :)
[05:07] <Jucato> :P
[05:07] <jjesse> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/updatemanagement/windowsupdate/ie7announcement.mspx
[05:07] <jjesse> look halfway down "Options for blocking automatic diverly
[05:08] <imbrandon> yea then when a security hold in ie6 comes about you will be screwed
[05:08] <imbrandon> hole*
[05:08] <imbrandon> and those are about a dime a dozzen
[05:13] <imbrandon> but i still love you jjesse ;P
[05:48] <abattoir> nixternal: you mean they have only a light blue background instead of the edgy wallpaper?
[05:49] <nixternal> yo yo
[05:49] <nixternal> ya
[05:49] <nixternal> that your vmware doin' that ;)
[05:49] <nixternal> no biggy
[05:49] <abattoir> nixternal: well, that's the way it is for edgy :(
[05:49] <nixternal> i could alway bugger it to make it look like it, but im not giong to worry about it
[05:49] <nixternal> oh really
[05:49] <nixternal> so that is the way it is then
[05:49] <nixternal> ok..cool
[05:49] <abattoir> nixternal: hopefully it'll change for edgy+1 when oem-config is restructured
[05:49] <nixternal> you said something like 15 images or somethign right?
[05:50] <abattoir> nixternal: no, i meant image no. 15 
[05:50] <nixternal> oh ok..good deal...i will have them up here ina bit then
[05:50] <abattoir> which shows the step where a user creates an account
[05:50] <abattoir> nixternal: you want something else?
[05:50] <nixternal> i just finished taking some ktorrent and digikam snaps
[05:50] <abattoir> nixternal: do you want images for all the steps?
[05:50] <nixternal> that be it...figure out why digikam keeps crashing on me
[05:50] <nixternal> nah abattoir, im not worrying about an image for each step
[05:51] <nixternal> just something to give an idea..but oem-config needs to be documented somewhere for sure
[05:51] <abattoir> nixternal: i'm working on something for the wiki
[05:51] <abattoir> nixternal: KubuntuOEMInstaller
[05:51] <nixternal> ok, i seen that, wasn't sure if you were going to rock it there then
[05:51] <abattoir> nixternal: should hopefully get it done by the time edgy releases
[05:52] <nixternal> i would like to get documentation for it though to be put in with the ubuntu doc project as well
[05:52] <nixternal> maybe we can edgy+1 that
[05:52] <nixternal> or fawn it ;)
[05:52] <abattoir> nixternal: oh, the current contents are just 'placeholders', till i got more time to finish it up :P
[05:53] <abattoir> nixternal: yes, i can get that done for edgy+1 as well, if you tell me what i should exactly do
[05:53] <nixternal> cool
[05:53] <nixternal> sure, i can help you out there im sure
[06:29] <battousaix19> hello
[06:35] <jdong> Jucato: I HEARD THAT 
[06:35] <jdong> ;-)
[06:35] <Jucato> lol :)
[07:56] <nixternal> there is only going to be one release candidate this go round correct?
[07:58] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/RC/Kubuntu
[07:58] <nixternal> wallah
[08:07] <nixternal> Riddell: ^^
[08:07] <nixternal> anyone else, feel free to review and tweak as needed
[08:43] <Sime> Tonio_: patches are in the usual place: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKDEMedia
[08:44] <Sime> Tonio_: You will have to ask Riddell about whether this will get into the release. (I hope so. it fixes bugs).
[08:55] <Lure> Sime: we need to have bugs in LP in order to have them targeted for release
[09:25] <Lure> Tonio_, Riddell, jdong: I think workaround in bug 65734 is probably the root cause for our DPMS problems with kde 3.5.5 upgrade...
[09:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65734 in kdebase "After resuming from hibernation my screen blanks after about 70 seconds (powersave)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65734
[09:27] <Lure> Sime: maybe your changes address this bug 65662
[09:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65662 in kdebase "Not possible to mount USB stick after upgrading to kde-3.5.5" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65662
[09:27] <Hobbsee> hum, yes, that was what i was going to do
[10:34] <seaLne> does anyone use the Multiple pbuilders scripts?
[10:35] <seaLne> it is complaining for me about things not being in the normal locations suce as base.tgz instead of trying to use the ones specified
[10:35] <imbrandon_> note sure what scripts you mean but i have 3 or 4 pbuidrs setup
[10:35] <seaLne> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto?highlight=%28pbuilder%29
[10:36] <seaLne> how do you do it?
[10:36] <imbrandon_> i cant get to my scripts atm but you might poke hobbsee , she can give you a copy of them
[10:36] <imbrandon_> when she gets back on
[10:37] <seaLne> yeah tab complete was ailing there :)
[10:37] <imbrandon_> i have dapper , edgy , breezy and sid all setup
[10:37] <seaLne> failing
[10:42] <seaLne> hmm ok it seemed to be ignoring some stuff but specifically putting it in the rc seems to work
[10:46] <fabo> seaLne: my script (for edgy) can be found on http://fboudra.free.fr/ubuntu/pbuilder/ if you are interested
[10:46] <fabo> seaLne: + http://fboudra.free.fr/ubuntu/pbuilder/.pbuilderrc-edgy
[10:47] <seaLne> ta
[10:47] <seaLne> i just found that the things specified in the script wern't be used
[10:49] <fabo> i use some personal customization and ~/pbuilder as my base dir, that can give you some ideas ;)
[10:49] <seaLne> yeah, my problem is that my homedir is on nfs so i need to copy stuff elsewhere
[10:51] <fabo> easy to fix in my scripts
[10:55] <seaLne> how does AUTO_DEBSIGN work? does it just prompt you at the end?
[10:56] <fabo> yes
[10:56] <seaLne> ah, sounds usefull
[10:56] <fabo> :)
[11:15] <seaLne> i'm having problems with sarge trying to use find a repository called universe :-/
[11:17] <seaLne> ah removing /etc/pbuilderrc solves that
[11:27] <marseillai> Riddell: got a problem with krita update :
[11:27] <marseillai> krita: Dpend: krita-data (< 1:1.5.92) mais 1:1.6.0-0ubuntu1 est install
[11:27] <marseillai>          Dpend: koffice-libs (< 1:1.5.92) mais 1:1.6.0-0ubuntu1 est install
[11:30] <marseillai> apt-get -f install solve the problem
[11:51] <Riddell> marseillai: what platform, what distro version?
[11:53] <marseillai> Riddell: on edgy
[11:53] <marseillai> i had only koffice-latest repo
[11:53] <marseillai> adding koffice-16 repo and apt-geet -f install solve the problem
[11:56] <Riddell> marseillai: what hardware platform?
[12:29] <marseillai> Riddell: i386
[12:30] <Lure> Riddell: I had the same problem on edgy i386 (I sent you a note onirc)
[12:30] <Lure> Riddell: I had plain edgy version before (no 3rd party repo)
[12:30] <Sime> Lure: my most recent patches don't address any of those bugs.
[12:31] <Lure> Sime: another reason why we should submit every bug in LP
[12:31] <Sime> Lure: Perhaps Tonio_ will be kind enough to submit a bug saying "Audio CDs don't open in the right URL in KDE".
[12:32] <Sime> Lure: I can do it, but it won't happen until tonight.
[12:34] <marseillai> Sime: just to tell you that even if i keep my point of view about letting people choose if they want or not show unmount device i recognize that mounting removable device on edgy works so fine! so good job! :)
[12:35] <Sime> marseillai: oh, thank you. ;)
[12:35] <marseillai> Sime: and do you remember what i told you about kde hal rules for moutning usb devices?
[12:37] <zorglu_> just had an idea which could improve the irc help, i think. it is just for you information. imagine adding some basic script to konversation like "/tokubuntupastebin cat /etc/apt/sources.list" will execute the "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" and send it to a pastebin, gather the url and output the message "the result of 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list' is at http://pastebin.example.com/12345". i think it would speed up the help
[12:37] <marseillai> Sime: even if i think it's an option wich don't work anymore so this is a problem now with your patch it's almost useless because device are not mount in /media/sda1 or something like that but in /media/device_name
[12:46] <Sime> marseillai: You're refering to the properties dialog for mount points in konq?
[12:46] <marseillai> Sime: yes
[12:47] <marseillai> now that mount point is fix this feature is not really so important
[12:47] <Sime> marseillai: My patch doesn't change where things get mounted. BTW.
[12:47] <marseillai> so i think you should remove this properties dialog Sime if you can't fix it
[12:48] <marseillai> Sime: perhaps but now mount point are fix even if we don't use this
[12:48] <Sime> marseillai: maybe it is best if you file a bug report for this.
[12:48] <Sime> marseillai: I agree that it should be removed.
[12:48] <marseillai> Sime: oki i'll! on kde bugzilla? or ubuntu launchpad Sime ?
[12:48] <Sime> marseillai: LP.
[12:48] <marseillai> oki
[12:49] <marseillai> i will when i've finish with klondike! :p
[12:50] <lexual> Riddell: ping!
[12:51] <Riddell> hi lexual 
[12:51] <lexual> g'day. do you reckon I can close these bugs, as they are really kubuntu features?
[12:51] <lexual> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123044
[12:51] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 123044 in general "text completion in search bar ignores settings" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[12:51] <lexual> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123045
[12:51] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 123045 in general "The search field autocompletion list contains never-used keywords" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[12:53] <Riddell> lexual: sure
[12:55] <freeflying> Riddell: how about the font config in k-d-s? thanks
[12:56] <Riddell> freeflying: it's been changed to Sans Serif and other generic names
[12:56] <freeflying> Riddell: thanks
[01:04] <abattoir> Riddell: the brackets missing for entries in kmenu is a known issue?
[01:05] <abattoir> Riddell: "Adept Manager Manage Packages" instead of "Adept Manager (Manage Packages)"
[01:06] <Riddell> abattoir: hmm, I'd noticed that but not registered it before
[01:07] <Riddell> must be a 3.5.5 feature
[01:08] <abattoir> Riddell: oh... i didn't notice it either, till i did a fresh amd64 install :P
[03:09] <Tonio__> hi all
[03:09] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio__ 
[03:09] <Tonio__> http://youtube.com/watch?v=aYlx5gW90Aw
[03:10] <Tonio__> pfiou..... not the first time paul gilbert makes me that feeling, but WOW !
[03:26] <Riddell> nixternal: where is your release candidate page?
[03:28] <Riddell> found it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/RC/Kubuntu
[03:48] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:15] <rideout> imbrandon: the flash beta in your repo gives a sizes mismatch error in apt
[04:25] <ZeroCool> Thought I would post this, http://www.madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=7603
[04:25] <ZeroCool> interesting article
[04:27] <jdong> thank you for your submission to #kubuntu-devel: News for nerds, stuff that matters.
[04:27] <jdong> for discussion on the development of Kubuntu, please see slashdot.org
[04:27] <jdong> ;)
[04:27] <Tm_T> =)
[04:28] <Jucato> lol
[04:30] <Riddell> ZeroCool: we have an X setup tool in kubuntu (notwithstanding kamion's comments about X setup going away), networking setup is crap we know
[04:58] <ZeroCool> Riddell: when is the first major release coming out for Kubuntu
[04:59] <Riddell> ?!
[04:59] <sebas> 1.5 years ago, ZeroCool.
[04:59] <Jucato> lol
[04:59] <Jucato> probably he meant "next"?
[04:59] <ZeroCool> okay, edgy... final
[04:59] <sebas> Next week.
[04:59] <Riddell> see EdgyReleaseSchedule
[05:00] <ZeroCool> give link pls
[05:00] <Jucato> !schedule
[05:00] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[05:01] <ZeroCool> wow the 26th great
[05:02] <Jucato> is that why we'll only have one RC?
[05:02] <Riddell> we only ever have one rc
[05:02] <Riddell> if you have more than one rc it has failed in its purpose
[05:02] <Jucato> oh...
[05:03] <Jucato> lol I must have been dreaming sorry :)
[05:32] <gnomefreak> Riddell: if your still here, is kde-guidance supposed to install as permssions 755?
[05:33] <gnomefreak> s/as/with
[05:34] <Riddell> gnomefreak: which files?
[05:34] <gnomefreak> bug 66718   he didnt say
[05:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66718 in kde-guidance "XServer crashes, unable to login since" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66718
[05:35] <gnomefreak> im not sure if leavin it open due to the p[ermisssions or close it as supposed to do that
[05:36] <Riddell> gnomefreak: he said /tmp
[05:36] <gnomefreak> oh sorry missed that
[05:36] <Riddell> which isn't installed by kde-guidance
[05:36] <gnomefreak> scanned right over that :(
[06:07] <jeroenvrp> I have a very simple bugreport: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdegraphics/+bug/66959
[06:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66959 in kdegraphics ".djvu files are not associated with KViewShell " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[06:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: any infos concerning Sime's patches ? are they ready for inclusion ?
[06:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'd say it's too late
[06:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: we are going to release with media audiocds broken ??????
[06:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's not acceptable in my opinion....
[06:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: I agree only outstanding issues have to be resolved but shouldn't this be considered major issue ?
[06:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: or at least provide an upgrade very quickly....
[06:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that your plan ?
[06:26] <Riddell> what's the diff?
[06:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: dunno, I haven't see the patches...
[06:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just know it corrects the audio cd issues.... Sime is supposed to give the patches today probably...
[06:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia the patches are there
[06:28] <Tonio_> we can check the diff
[06:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: want me to do a debdiff and compare ?
[06:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: yeah
[06:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: doing this right now
[06:32] <DaSkreech> :sighs as his other removes *Buntu for Suse
[06:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/31 the debdiff, I'm trying to build
[06:48] <cmvo> Riddell: Hi! Have you read about the Qt/khtml security problem (CVE-2006-4811)? I think it applies to kubuntu too?
[06:48] <Sime> Hi all
[06:50] <Riddell> cmvo: yes, I'm waiting for a good patch
[06:50] <Riddell> red hat are stupidly irrisponsible with that
[06:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: doesn't look too bad, but it has some debugging there which should be there
[06:53] <fdoving> hi sime. any did you find out anything about my problem? (guidance modules not loading.. powerpc)
[06:53] <cmvo> Riddell: Ok, thanks. So RH is using their own patch without waiting for the others?
[06:54] <Riddell> cmvo: yes, and they're patching kdelibs when the problem is in qt
[06:57] <cmvo> Riddell: Maybe just easier for a quick patch :-) A Qt patch shouldn't be too far away.
[06:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I agree for the debugging....
[06:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm building and testing, then adding this on my repo so that we can test, and maybe toonight ask mdz politely :)
[07:00] <Sime> fdoving: no. I'm out of ideas. Was displayconfig from the shell without kcmshell working?
[07:00] <Sime> fdoving: (I forget)
[07:00] <Sime> fdoving: maybe we can try strace'ing it.
[07:00] <fdoving> Sime: yes, displayconfig from the shell works without any errors.
[07:01] <fdoving> strace kcmshell displayconfig or just displayconfig? 
[07:02] <Sime> strace -o displayconfig_trace.txt kcmshell displayconfig
[07:02] <Sime> that's the lot. ;-)
[07:03] <Sime> Tonio_: BTW, that fix for the Cancel button on the media popup was in that latest patch. (It got left out before. my bad, again).
[07:04] <Tonio_> Sime: great
[07:04] <cmvo> Riddell: Will the 1019 i386 alternate daily become the RC or should I wait downloading?
[07:04] <Tonio_> Sime: and concerning the refreash issue ? any chance it is done toonight ? it is our last chance to upload probably...
[07:04] <Sime> Tonio_: it was accidential absent from the earilier patches. :-/
[07:04] <Tonio_> Sime: if not we'll provide a fix after the release
[07:04] <Riddell> cmvo: yes, it will
[07:05] <Sime> Tonio_: I've been looking at that problem, and now it is ok on my test machine and I don't know why. ;-/
[07:05] <Sime> Tonio_: very frustrating.
[07:05] <Riddell> Sime: what does it do now when clicking on cance
[07:05] <Riddell> Sime: what does it do now when clicking on cancel?
[07:05] <cmvo> Riddell: Thanks!
[07:05] <Tonio_> Sime: I think id depends on how fast the media is mounted
[07:05] <Sime> Tonio_: could be a race condition, yes.
[07:06] <Tonio_> Sime: ho I have a question concerning my amarok integration
[07:06] <fdoving> Sime: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/displayconfig_trace.txt
[07:06] <Tonio_> Sime: is there a way to get the real medium path with /media/cdrom0 ?
[07:06] <Tonio_> converting this to /dev/scd0 ?
[07:06] <Tonio_> any command allows this ?
[07:07] <Tonio_> I searched without success
[07:07] <DaSkreech> raphink: What's the status of ichthux with Ubuntu?
[07:07] <raphink> how do you mean DaSkreech?
[07:08] <DaSkreech> I see it turning up on Newsletters and such
[07:08] <raphink> sure
[07:08] <DaSkreech> Is it a recognized derivative?
[07:08] <raphink> it's included in Ubuntu
[07:08] <DaSkreech> So it supported?
[07:08] <DaSkreech> it is
[07:08] <raphink> it's in universe
[07:09] <raphink> it's supported since we are several Ubuntu developers maintaining it 
[07:09] <raphink> ;)
[07:09] <raphink> that's about the technical support
[07:09] <raphink> officially Canonical has not said whether they support it or not
[07:09] <DaSkreech> So it is roughly the same as Fluxbuntu?
[07:09] <raphink> not that I know of
[07:10] <raphink> I don't think Fluxuntu has metapackages in ubuntu yet
[07:10] <raphink> but as of the recognition by Canonical, I'd say yes
[07:21] <DaSkreech> ok
[07:33] <Sime> fdoving: I think I've found the cause.
[07:33] <Sime> Tonio_: what kind of code are you using? C++?
[07:34] <Tonio_> Sime: I'd have to do this in a desktop file, so only shell is possible.....
[07:35] <fdoving> Sime: you rock :)
[07:35] <Tonio_> dcop or any other thing is possible, but no C++ possible
[07:35] <Sime> Riddell: ping
[07:35] <Sime> Tonio_: run kdcop
[07:35] <Riddell> hi Sime 
[07:37] <Tonio_> Sime: yeah but I didn't find any way to get that info from amarok or k3b...
[07:37] <Tonio_> Sime: already did
[07:37] <Sime> stat64("/build/buildd/kde-guidance-0.7.0/debian/tmp/usr/share/apps/guidance", 0x7fe19838) = -1 ENOENT (No such
[07:37] <Sime> Tonio_: go to kded / mediamanager
[07:37] <Sime> Tonio_: it has some useful methods.
[07:37] <Tonio_> Sime: let me check
[07:38] <Sime> Riddell: does that look normal to you? It's the "guidance crashes on PPC" problem.
[07:38] <Riddell> Sime: looks like a problem to me
[07:38] <Sime> Riddell: kcmshell can't locate the displayconfig.py to load it.
[07:39] <Sime> Riddell: it looks like a problem in how that little stub *.so was built for displayconfig.
[07:41] <Riddell> Sime: hmm, I also have those lines in my strace but it loads fine for me
[07:41] <Riddell> http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/displayconfig_trace.txt
[07:49] <Sime> Riddell: is displayconfig.py always installed under /var/lib/python-support/... ?
[07:49] <Riddell> Sime: never, it's in /usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/displayconfig.py
[07:49] <Riddell> we also have /usr/share/apps/guidance/displayconfig.pyc
[07:51] <Sime> open("/var/lib/python-support/python2.4/displayconfig.py", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 16
[07:51] <Sime> Riddell: that is from your trace.
[07:52] <Sime> (and why the hell doesn't konversation have an Edit->Paste menu item!!!)
[07:52] <Riddell> hmm
[07:52] <Riddell> /var/lib/python-support/python2.4/displayconfig.py -> /usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/displayconfig.py
[07:52] <fdoving> i have:
[07:52] <fdoving> kde-guidance: /usr/share/apps/guidance/displayconfig.pyc
[07:52] <fdoving> kde-guidance: /usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/displayconfig.py
[07:52] <fdoving> i also have the symlinks in /var/lib/python-support/python2.4
[07:52] <Sime> ok, I see what is happening with /var/lib. cute
[07:54] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: ping
[07:54] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: You rang!
[07:55] <DaSkreech> You were going to poke around to find out about ebuntu a month or so ago
[07:55] <DaSkreech>  waht came of that?
[07:55] <Sime> Riddell: fdoving's trace never finds displayconfig.py, and then fails.
[07:55] <Sime> fdoving: can you look up the version of your python package?
[07:55] <fdoving> Sime: packagename? 
[07:55] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: I got no reply at all.  I sent 5 emails and got nothing
[07:56] <DaSkreech> So should we stage a coup?
[07:57] <Sime> fdoving: "python2.4"
[07:57] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Interested in one?
[07:57] <fdoving> Sime: Version: 2.4.4~c1-0ubuntu1
[07:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm uploading the kdebase build on my repo for testing
[07:58] <Sime> same as mine
[07:58] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: From my understanding Ebuntu isn't going to be an official Canonical/Ubuntu supported project.  It's a shame, but I wish someone could change that
[08:01] <Tonio_> hey toma ;)
[08:01] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Would be nice to have semi official packages though :)
[08:01] <Sime> fdoving: Now, go to a shell, run python then...
[08:01] <toma> hi Tonio_
[08:02] <Sime> fdoving: type "import sys" <return>
[08:02] <Sime> fdoving: type "sys.path" <return>
[08:02] <Sime> fdoving: what's the output?
[08:02] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Talk to gnomefreak, he was going to try and get my SoS repo added to easysource or source-o-matic or both.  I have E17 packages for both Dapper and Edgy now that thousands of users seem to be using without issues
[08:03] <fdoving> Sime: ['', '/usr/lib/python24.zip', '/usr/lib/python2.4', '/usr/lib/python2.4/plat-linux2', '/usr/lib/python2.4/lib-tk', '/usr/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages', '/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages', '/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Numeric', '/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/PIL', '/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/cairo', '/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gst-0.10', '/var/lib/python-support/python2.4', '/usr/li
[08:03] <DaSkreech> I guess that for canonical to support 
[08:03] <fdoving> Hawkwind: did you fix the issue i pointed out in a forum somewhere? (packages installing to /usr/local is -bad-)
[08:04] <Sime> fdoving: can you pastebin that
[08:04] <Riddell> DaSkreech: canonical isn't going to support another distro variant, it doesn't even support xubuntu
[08:04] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Sorry Support was a bad choice of words
[08:05] <DaSkreech> Given Recognition is probably closer to what I was thining
[08:05] <DaSkreech> sort of how like UCE is not even acknowleged
[08:05] <DaSkreech> I wouldn't mind ebuntu to be round about where ichtux is now
[08:06] <fdoving> Sime: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27356/
[08:11] <Hawkwind> fdoving: I rarely visit the forums actually.  Do you remember where you posted that ?
[08:11] <Hawkwind> fdoving: Also, why is having them install in /usr/local bad and where would it be suggested that they install to ?
[08:12] <Sime> fdoving: that looks ok.
[08:14] <fdoving> Hawkwind: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1619275&postcount=108
[08:14] <fdoving> Hawkwind: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.1
[08:15] <fdoving> Hawkwind: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/fhs-2.3.html
[08:16] <fdoving> more spesifically: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/fhs-2.3.html#USRLOCALLOCALHIERARCHY
[08:20] <Hawkwind> fdoving: Thanks.  Reading over all of it now
[08:20] <fdoving> Hawkwind: you're welcome :)
[08:21] <fdoving> Sime: anything i can do to help you with debugging? 
[08:23] <Sime> fdoving: I don't think so.
[08:23] <Sime> fdoving: thanks,
[08:24] <fdoving> let me know if there is anything i can do.
[08:30] <Tonio_> Sime: just installed kde with your patches
[08:30] <Tonio_> I can see the changes
[08:30] <Tonio_> but konqueror segfault...
[08:31] <Sime> :-(
[08:32] <Sime> I don't know what is up with that.
[08:32] <Sime> if you open audiocd:/?device=/dev/hdb etc in konq, then it also likes to crash.
[08:33] <Sime> maybe it is the ?device=xxx stuff that gives konq trouble...
[08:33] <Sime> audiocd:/ might just be ok.
[08:33] <Tonio_> Sime: maybe yes.....
[08:34] <Tonio_> Sime: what needs changing in you patches then ?
[08:34] <Tonio_> Sime: ho and it works for the desktop icon, but fails in /media
[08:34] <Tonio_> if I doubleclick on cdrom0 in /media, still empty folder, so the correction is only partial here (but better than nothing)
[08:34] <Sime> Tonio_: you won't see anything in /media for an audiocd.
[08:35] <Tonio_> Sime: ah ?
[08:35] <Sime> Tonio_: and there is not really simple way to fix that. Not one that will be ready in time for edgy.
[08:35] <Tonio_> Sime: yeah okay, I understand
[08:36] <Tonio_> Sime: what do I have to change in your patches to get the desktop icon simply pointing to audiocd:/ without any parameters ?
[08:37] <Tonio_> Sime: I really would like to upload toonight, ut that's not possible with a segfault...
[08:38] <Sime> Tonio_: ok. :-)
[08:38] <Sime> Tonio_: shall I quick fix that up here and get you some new patches.
[08:38] <Tonio_> Sime: perfect
[08:39] <Tonio_> looks strange and may cause an issue when using 2 cdroms....
[08:39] <Tonio_> konqueror shouldn't segfault btw
[08:45] <Tonio_> Sime: okay I understand hte behavior
[08:46] <Tonio_> Sime: if ou have preloaded konqueror session, it works
[08:46] <Tonio_> if you don't have any konqueror process running -> segfault
[08:46] <Sime> Tonio_: konq crashing on audiocd:?device=xx ?
[08:46] <Tonio_> Sime: yeah
[08:46] <Tonio_> as long as you have a preloaded konq launched, it works
[08:47] <Tonio_> Sime: lol
[08:47] <Tonio_> Sime: that's why you didn't saw the issue
[08:47] <Tonio_> if you killall konqueror before doubleclicking the desktop icon, then if crashes
[08:47] <Sime> I've seen it a few times. But last night it was fine.
[08:47] <Tonio_> Sime: because you had a preloaded konqueror ;)
[08:47] <Tonio_> probably the reason it worked
[08:48] <Tonio_> I would say that's a konq bug, not an issue with your patches
[08:48] <Tonio_> and it can be configured in kds > preload konqueror after kde is started
[08:49] <Tonio_> Sime: what to do according to you ? fix your patches or consider this a konqueror issue ?
[08:50] <Sime> "fixing" the patches is faster.
[08:51] <Tonio_> Sime: in the shell -> killall konqueror && konqueror audiocd:/?device=/dev/scd0
[08:51] <Tonio_> that fails
[08:51] <Tonio_> Sime: in the shell -> killall konqueror && konqueror audiocd:/
[08:51] <Tonio_> works
[08:51] <Sime> ok
[08:51] <Tonio_> so that's really a konqueror issue, should be reproductable on another distro I assume
[08:52] <Tonio_> Sime: well yes, fixing your patches is probably better, but we should remove your fix once konqueror handles urls correctly
[08:52] <Tonio_> Sime: so I would suggest to backup the current patches :)
[08:54] <Tonio_> Sime: kfmclient openProfile filemanagement audiocd:/?device=/dev/scd0
[08:54] <Tonio_> works......... tricky :)
[08:56] <Tonio_> Sime: I will report to kde svn
[08:57] <Sime> "Feisty Fawn" (?)
[09:01] <Hawkwind> Feisty Fawn, Ubuntu 7.04 :P
[09:03] <Sime> I'm still busy with the Erratic Eft!
[09:05] <nixternal> Riddell: did you commit the kubuntu-docs patch yesterday/today?
[09:16] <Riddell> nixternal: no, I don't think it's allowed
[09:26] <nixternal> thanks Riddell! hey, how come the RC page didn't get in the release announcement this time around?
[09:27] <Riddell> nixternal: I think because ubuntu didn't have one it wasn't in the template, it'll be the main link in a minute when I put it on kubuntu.org
[09:29] <apokryphos> Riddell: I can do one or two install (possibly many more plain live CD) tests -- would you recommend I try the RC now or try a daily image in a couple of days?
[09:29] <Riddell> apokryphos: testing in a couple of days time would probably be more helpful
[09:29] <apokryphos> I know it's not too much help, but life is too annoying atm =)
[09:29] <apokryphos> ok, no problem
[09:39] <gnomefreak> what is the reason kubuntu-desktop doesnt depend on firefox? because its GTK?
[09:40] <fdoving> gnomefreak: because kubuntu use konqueror.
[09:41] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: Konqueror/KHTML is really quite nice 8)
[09:41] <gnomefreak> fdoving: i know that is a reason but my personal thought is for ubuntu and kubuntu-desktops should include 2 browsers just incase there is an issue with one. but the reason i ask is someone want to have a mozilla-support-kde like ther eis one for gnome (cant remember the name of package)
[09:42] <apokryphos> do you mean a Qt port of Firefox?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> apokryphos: he wants it to be defualt for mailto in kmail but i dont know if when installing firefox it "takes" as the default browser
[09:43] <gnomefreak> is a good idea
[09:43] <apokryphos> I'm not sure how much space is left on the images, but I think Firefox would bring in a lot of extra depends
[09:43] <gnomefreak> agreed
[09:43] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: nope, a browser in KDE doesn't become default unless you tell kcontrol/systemsettings for that to be the case
[09:43] <gnomefreak> bug 66990
[09:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66990 in kubuntu-meta "kubuntu/firefox should per default open mailto: with kmail" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66990
[09:44] <fdoving> gnomefreak: firefox does not take the default browser role.
[09:44] <gnomefreak> fdoving: thats the point. the user would like it to
[09:44] <apokryphos> not really easy to do, as there isn't a seperate package for Firefox-KDE
[09:44] <apokryphos> and a user can quite easily always have ubuntu and kubuntu
[09:44] <gnomefreak> fdoving: so installing firefox would overwrite any defaults is what it looks like he wants
[09:44] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: then they can change the settings in kde's systemsettings
[09:45] <apokryphos> that's a fairly bad presumption
[09:45] <apokryphos> perhaps some people would argue for a pop-up on firefox first-run asking it, but the general gist of Kubuntu is to minimise annoying startup-wizards, pop-upconfigurations etc
[09:46] <apokryphos> I don't really think the setting for the default browser is in an obscure place
[09:47] <Lure> Riddell: clean install of RC, new profile - Admin Mode in knetworkconf does not work (no password dialog=
[09:47] <gnomefreak> i will reject it i just have to think what to say
[09:48] <fdoving> gnomefreak: newly installed software should not, take over existing settings, and (possibly) break a working system or change anything without the confirmation of the user.
[09:48] <Riddell> Lure: works for me, any other apps work with kdesu?  anyone else have the same issue?
[09:49] <apokryphos> on Firefox and KDE it should presumably take KDE's default mailclient though
[09:49] <gnomefreak> fdoving: that would be the new package that he wants kde to have to do that
[09:49] <apokryphos> (which is what I think the guy means, as you mentioned before)
[09:49] <fdoving> apokryphos: ah, that's something else.
[09:49] <apokryphos> indeed
[09:50] <gnomefreak> he wants a package with : pref("network.protocol-handler.app.mailto", "kmailservice"); line in it but why doesnt he make a script for that
[09:50] <fdoving> :)
[09:51] <gnomefreak> im sure it would have to be more than just that line though
[09:52] <apokryphos> it's more complicated than just making that file, really
[09:52] <gnomefreak> i figured that much :)
[09:52] <gnomefreak> nothing is that easy
[09:52] <fdoving> it's a good start, and that will make firefox use kmailservice for mailto:s
[09:52] <apokryphos> when it should be taking the KDE default
[09:53] <gnomefreak> i dont see whats wrong with konq.
[09:53] <fdoving> it's a wishlist for a new package, that makes firefox more kde friendly.
[09:53] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: nothing, it's perfect ;-)
[09:53] <gnomefreak> it should be used by default since its the only browser other than text
[09:54] <fdoving> it is. but we're talking about a optional 'make firefox nicer with kde' package
[09:54] <Lure> Riddell: both kdesu, kdesu-stub and sudo are running, just no dialog
[09:54] <apokryphos> sure, but it's just fair enough if people want to use other browsers, and we should still try to make the transition as friendly as possible
[09:54] <gnomefreak> fdoving: i didnt say it was a bad idea i think  its a pretty good idea but is it a way kubuntu really wants to go
[09:54] <Lure> Riddell: will reboot now as some packages were upgraded, but I doubt it is it...
[09:55] <fdoving> gnomefreak: can't see why supporting firefox users, and making firefox work nicer with KDE can be a problem?
[09:56] <gnomefreak> i agree but the coding hasnt begun yet. but either way i thought a good idea to let you guys know. and this isnt the first time its been asked to add support for ff to kubuntu
[09:57] <gnomefreak> i remeber like 4 bugs that i read the other day adding ff to kubuntu and other supportish requests
[09:57] <apokryphos> a Firefox-Qt port is very unlikely (tried in the past, got loads of hype, died before it become mature) but small things like that should be addressed
[09:57] <Lure> Riddell: works after reboot :-(
[09:58] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: whether it should be included in the Kubu image? Not really going to happen, I think.
[09:58] <gnomefreak> apokryphos: i doubt that too
[09:59] <gnomefreak> there a re alot of depends (more than i would have thought)
[09:59] <gnomefreak> s/a re/are
[10:00] <Lure> Riddell: I think bug 66813 should be targeted for release - I will look into this
[10:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66813 in kdeadmin "kcm_knetworkconfmodule adds hostname to 127.0.0.1 line" [Critical,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66813
[10:02] <Lure> Riddell: actually it is already targeted - is anybody working on this?
[10:13] <Riddell> Lure: not that i know of
[10:14] <Lure> Riddell: ok, I am downloading source now
[10:23] <Riddell> nice
[10:24] <seaLne> is the dvd in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/ also effectivly rc?
[10:24] <Riddell> yes, it is
[10:24] <Riddell> although I don't know if it's linked from anywhere
[10:25] <seaLne> its not that i can see but i'll grab to test tommorow anyway
[10:26] <seaLne> i'm not sure what it is that causes rsyncs never to work from uni for the isos, its strange
[10:27] <Sime> Tonio_: testing.
[10:30] <Tonio_> Sime: great
[10:33] <seaLne> weirdly wget has very strange size info when getting the dvd isos
[10:33] <seaLne> amd: -6,754,304 ppc: -78,450,688 i386: 168,402,944
[10:34] <apokryphos> so I fired up the desktop RC image (in live session), and got a few issues so far
[10:34] <apokryphos> it's definitely taken way longer than old images to start up, and I've got Error - artsmessage on logging in - "cpu overload, aborting"
[10:34] <apokryphos> though in general, now that KDE's fired up, it seems to run quite quick
[10:36] <apokryphos> and noo! Konsole background is black :D
[10:38] <gnomefreak> rc images have been released?
[10:38] <apokryphos> yeah
[10:38] <gnomefreak> ok with rsync do i just rerun the same command same file also to update it?
[10:39] <gnomefreak> rsync -vPz rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/*i386.iso /home/gnomefreak/edgy-desktop-i386.iso   is what i ran
[10:40] <apokryphos> you can use rsync to update or download directly, yeah
[10:41] <apokryphos> announced on ubuntu-announce
[10:42] <gnomefreak> yeah i got that but is it same command to update it?
[10:42] <gnomefreak> i looked in the man and it really didnt say
[10:43] <apokryphos> hm, not sure, let me check the man page
[10:43] <gnomefreak> the annouce is wher ei got the idea to try rsync but it also didnt state that you have to use a dir. in the command
[10:44] <gnomefreak> rsync --help says to use -u but also --inplace :( than says see man page
[10:44] <gnomefreak> :(
[10:46] <apokryphos> really not sure, I'd quite badly end up using trial and error perhaps
[10:46] <gnomefreak> seems like it would be rsync -vPzu--inplace rsync.......iso
[10:47] <apokryphos> you'd need a space between u and --inplace
[10:47] <ryanakca> oooh
[10:48] <ryanakca> anybody having trouble with kopete not singing into anything? (to the point of it not even opening kwallet for passwords?)
[10:49] <Tm_T> ryanakca: run it from konsole, I bet it doesn't reach kwallet at all.
[10:49] <gnomefreak> i asked in motu to be sure
[10:49] <Sime> Tonio_: I've updated the wiki with the new links
[10:49] <Sime> Tonio_: go for it!
[10:50] <apokryphos> can't sign on too -- http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27376/
[10:50] <ryanakca> Tm_T: QDateTime::fromString: Parameter out of range       ?
[10:51] <apokryphos> In the System Menu it says "Users Folders"
[10:51] <apokryphos> ...that really should be "Users' Folders"
[10:52] <ryanakca> yeah
[10:52] <ryanakca> apokryphos: that "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166"... nothing new... I've always had that... 
[10:52] <Tm_T> ryanakca: Nah.
[10:53] <apokryphos> curious, there's no other terminal output
[10:53] <ryanakca> I haven't upgraded since tuesday...
[10:53] <Tm_T> And no problems here.
[10:53] <ryanakca> was working before I logged out and in ten seconds ago...
[10:53] <ryanakca> Tm_T: straight from source? or did you make a package of it?
[10:54] <apokryphos> well it certainly doesn't sign on using msn protocol and AIM here
[10:54] <Tm_T> ryanakca: No point to make package, I follow strictly every commit. :)
[10:54] <ryanakca> lol
[10:54] <ryanakca> MSN, AIM, Jabber, ICQ are broken here
[10:54] <ryanakca> I don't get the dialog asking for my kwallet pass...
[10:54] <apokryphos> IRC is working though, it appears
[10:54] <ryanakca> so, either it's kwallet, or kopete... I'll try not saving the pass... see if it's kwallet
[10:56] <ryanakca> umm... where the **** is my wallet... kwallet opens a window, and my wallet is usually there...
[10:56] <apokryphos> firing up kde wallet manager, then file -> new wallet, doesn't work
[10:56] <ryanakca> now I just get an empty white window with kwallet menus
[10:57] <ryanakca> ok, so, I disabled 'remember password' for msn in kopete... 
[10:57] <apokryphos> though I can't find kde wallet under systemsettings, but also: going to systemsettings -> user management -> administrator mode fails
[10:57] <ryanakca> I go to sign onto the network, in msn alone, and still not prompt from kopete for the pass
[10:57] <ryanakca> yes
[10:58] <ryanakca> here, I'll report the "kwallets mysteriously disappear after recent upgrade" one, and you can file the other ones :)
[10:58] <apokryphos> my issue is probably tied in with yours, so I'll add a comment to yours if you give me a bug no.
[10:58] <mhb> hi all
[10:59] <ryanakca> kk
[10:59] <apokryphos> hello
[10:59] <ryanakca> hey mhb
[10:59] <Tonio_> Sime: okay I'm testing this, thanks !
[11:03] <ryanakca> hmm... another thing, I go to desktop, right click cd icon -> eject: The KDE Media Manager is not running
[11:04] <mhb> is there going to be a meeting where we'll (you'll) discuss the features for Feisty Fawn?
[11:04] <ryanakca> Feisty Fawn? It's been decided already? heh
[11:05] <mhb> ryanakca: yeah ... I expected something like that (D->E->F)
[11:05] <imbrandon> mhb, yes thats what the UDS in Mountain View is for
[11:05] <mhb> imbrandon: hm, but not everyone is invited or able to attend, you know
[11:06] <ryanakca> yeah, look at sabdfl's user page... it explains the naming stuff
[11:06] <imbrandon> mhb, correct but you can propose specs even if your not going
[11:07] <mhb> imbrandon: so propose first/discuss later?
[11:08] <imbrandon> propose --> gets accepted --> talked about and planed at mtv
[11:09] <mhb> imbrandon: shouldn't proposals contain some technical details already?
[11:09] <imbrandon> most of the time yes
[11:10] <imbrandon> mhb, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-October/000207.html
[11:11] <ryanakca> apokryphos: bug 67017
[11:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67017 in kdeutils "KWallets disappear after 061017's upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67017
[11:12] <mhb> imbrandon: "it is wise to discuss it on (IRC) (...) before proposing
[11:12] <mhb> "
[11:13] <apokryphos> ryanakca: thanks
[11:13] <mhb> so it's discuss first/then propose/then discuss a bit more
[11:13] <mhb> that's what I wanted to know, thanks
[11:13] <imbrandon> mhb, not really they are discussed with those involved, not a meeting
[11:14] <imbrandon> and sometimes not at all
[11:14] <ryanakca> apokryphos: are you going to report that kopete's "remember password" is broken? (aka, it does not 'unremember' password) or can I?
[11:15] <apokryphos> ryanakca: I didn't notice that, I couldn't even log on with any of the protocols apart from IRC
[11:15] <ryanakca> kk
[11:17] <ryanakca> I'll go 'head then :)
[11:17] <Sime> can anyone tell my why there are python*ubuntu packages and also just normal python* packages?
[11:17] <mhb> imbrandon: hmm ... I read through the spec lists, not many KDE/Kubuntu-specific entries there
[11:19] <ryanakca> ooh, gaim doesn't look as bad as it used to :)
[11:20] <Lure> Riddell: debdiff for bug 66813 is attached to bug - luckly it is simple fix in perl script (backend) 
[11:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66813 in kdeadmin "kcm_knetworkconfmodule adds hostname to 127.0.0.1 line" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66813
[11:20] <Lure> Riddell: not sure what is now procedure to get such changes in though (just ping anz -coredev)?
[11:21] <Riddell> Lure: not sure what current procedure is, I'll ask
[11:22] <ryanakca> apokryphos: is that a confirm for (bug) 67017
[11:22] <Riddell> Lure: I can't see anything attached on that bug
[11:23] <apokryphos> ryanakca: I can confirm I experience the problem, yes
[11:25] <mhb> I don't want to post mindlessly a few specs just for them to get declined, so I'll rather ask first: 1. Would it be possible/desirable for the Kopete in Feisty to support libjingle (voice over Jabber)? 2. Should I write the spec about the Grub configuration tool for systemsettings I am most probably going to co-write for Feisty?
[11:26] <Lure> Riddell: strange... It does not get attached in konqueror... will trz again
[11:26] <Riddell> Lure: I had the same issue earlier
[11:27] <Lure> Riddell: you have it now
[11:28] <nuku> is there a fix for the critical qpixmap bug in qt / kdelibs yet? i applied the redhat proposed patch for qt which stops konqueror from crashing but in a suboptimal manner (huge picture will not be shown) :/
[11:36] <apokryphos> geh! Evil amarok icons by default =)
[11:37] <Riddell> we have the default amarok icons by default
[11:37] <apokryphos> I know, sucks :P
[11:38] <apokryphos> windeco is really very nice, clean. Artwork altogether this time round is really nice
[11:38] <apokryphos> smoother colours (splash, background, etc)
[11:39] <Riddell> go kwwii 
[11:39] <Riddell> kwwii: speaking of you, what plans for website artwork and announcement image?
[11:40] <apokryphos> yeah, good stuff. Last time round (dapper) it pained me :P
[11:41] <kwwii> Riddell: I have been working on them...I should have something in the next days
[11:41] <mhb> um ... should I write the specs or should I rather keep quiet now?
[11:42] <Riddell> mhb: specs about what?
[11:43] <apokryphos> feisty
[11:43] <mhb> the two suggestions I had a few lines above
[11:43] <Riddell> mhb: ah, missed that
[11:44] <Riddell> mhb: adding libjingle isn't a spec issue
[11:44] <Riddell> mhb: it just needs a main inclusion review and the right people poked
[11:44] <ryanakca> hmmm... why is it that we got rid of the option of controling the volume with the keyboard?
[11:44] <Riddell> mhb: a spec for grub configuration would be groovy
[11:44] <mhb> Riddell: there are some problems involved, AFAIK
[11:44] <mhb> Riddell: but ok, I'll do the second spec
[11:45] <Riddell> mhb: make sure you include UI mockups that we can run past usability dudes
[11:45] <Riddell> ryanakca: we havn't
[11:45] <imbrandon> moins all
[11:46] <ryanakca> of course, I might just be having hallucinations... :D
[11:46] <Riddell> ryanakca: dapper or edgy?
[11:47] <apokryphos> ryanakca: regional & language
[11:48] <ryanakca> edgy
[11:49] <ryanakca> apokryphos: yes, it's still the right keyboard map and model... I'm talking about 'Keyboard & Mouse' -> 'Keyboard Shortcuts'
[11:50] <apokryphos> I guess you mean hotkeys
[11:51] <mhb> good night all and thanks for everything
[11:52] <imbrandon> gnight mhb
[11:53] <imbrandon> hum time for some food
[11:53] <imbrandon> Riddell, is it almost cd testing time ?
[11:53] <imbrandon> i have a iBook i need to reload soonish and RC would be a good test ;)
[11:53] <ryanakca> brb, supper
[11:54] <apokryphos> imbrandon: RC images are out! =)
[11:54] <imbrandon> apokryphos, cool ( i just got on the computer a few minutes ago heh )
[11:55] <imbrandon> havent caught up on my mail and such
[11:55] <apokryphos> imbrandon: all links on the ubuntu-announce list
[11:55] <imbrandon> k, yea like i said hadent caught up on my mail, thanks for the headsup
[11:56] <imbrandon> kk some food, bbiab
[11:56] <imbrandon> btw apokryphos long time no see, how ya been
[11:56] <Riddell> seaLne: apt-setup upload just happened you might like, stops it validating mirrors if it doesn't need them, should stop hangs for proxies
[11:57] <apokryphos> imbrandon: yeah, I've been swarmed in from my University and moving into a new flat, but I've been good (apart from a little ill today) =). How about yourself?
[11:58] <imbrandon> great , swamped myself actualy but it seems to have died back that last few days
[11:59] <fdoving> gnite
[11:59] <imbrandon> l8tr fdoving
[11:59] <apokryphos> 'night fdoving
[11:59] <apokryphos> imbrandon: cool, glad to hear it
[12:08] <seaLne> Riddell: yeah saw the bug comment
[12:09] <seaLne> said he'd wait till after rc