[12:11] <pacman> anyone even here?
[12:12] <izzyb_> what type of printer problems?
[12:13] <pacman> I tried to set mine up last night, but it never would print anything
[12:13] <izzyb_> what type of printer?
[12:13] <pacman> DJ 840C
[12:15] <izzyb_> is it a laser or bj?
[12:16] <pacman> not a laser
[12:16] <izzyb_> so a bubble jet (inkjet)?
[12:16] <pacman> yeah
[12:17] <izzyb_> I've never had much luck with them sadly.  although some are known to work
[12:17] <sergio> hello m8s
[12:17] <izzyb_> is it a newer printer or has it been around for a while
[12:18] <pacman> I think it's been around a bit
[12:19] <otaku-san> ok....I think my kdm is about to crack
[12:20] <otaku-san> has anyone tried to update (I think something tyed into kdm was among it) and when you boot up...the original bubbly background shows up before the login screen and before the start up screen?
[12:21] <shadowhywind> does anyone have any idea how to set an ip to a wireless card?
[12:21] <izzyb_> pacman: sorry, I can't help with this one.  tried a search on google, but doesn't look prommessing
[12:21] <izzyb_> maybe with some more effort, but I don't have the time atm
[12:22] <izzyb_> might be worth checking hp's site though
[12:22] <izzyb_> they sometimes have drivers for linux
[12:26] <Kim^J> Give me: Screensaver that shows pictures. Just like the picture slideshow in WIndows XP.
[12:27] <izzyb_> Kim^J: kslideshow
[12:27] <DaSkreech> Bye all
[12:28] <otaku-san> ohhh see ya DaSkreech
[12:28] <Kim^J> izzyb_: It has disturbing effects. I want it to just switch picture with no effects.
[12:29] <izzyb_> hmm, not sure then.  I'm sure there are others around
[12:29] <izzyb_> did you see if you could turn off the effects in it's setup?
[12:30] <Kim^J> izzyb_: No you can't
[12:30] <barjoh10> bye
[12:31] <BluesKaj> I have to keep resetting my slideshow scrnsaver after every bootup...it doessn't hold the settings...It's really beginning to piss me off too !
[12:32] <barjoh10> hey i wont do that silines
[12:32] <barjoh10> bye all
[12:33] <barjoh10> everyoneFUCK safe
[12:34] <steveire> Does anyone here use beryl?
[12:34] <izzyb_> Kim^J: try googling for it.  I came up with a few options, but I haven't tried any of them so cant recommend any to you
[12:35] <Kim^J> steveire: I did
[12:35] <Kim^J> izzyb_: kk
[12:35] <izzyb_> that's the best I can offer
[12:35] <steveire> Kim^J: Do you know how to make beryl start on boot instead of kwin?
[12:36] <Kim^J> steveire: Nope
[12:37] <Kim^J> izzyb_: What did you google on?
[12:37] <izzyb_> 'linux screensaver slideshow'
[12:38] <izzyb_> looks like there's one in the gnome package.  not sure if you can run gnome screensaves in kde or not, but I don't see why not
[12:39] <Kim^J> Name?
[12:39] <izzyb_> there's one called xslideshow also, but I've never used it
[12:40] <izzyb_> cosmo-slideshow I'm guessing.  although that's text from an rpm link
[12:41] <Kim^J> izzyb_: You in Dapper or Edgy ?
[12:41] <izzyb_> dapper
[12:42] <Kim^J> ok
[12:42] <Kim^J> cosmo-slideshow doesn't exist and xslideshow gives med "Dep hell".
[12:43] <izzyb_> cosmo-slideshow is part of the gnome screensavers package
[12:43] <Kim^J> ok
[12:43] <izzyb_> here's a link that may be of use:  http://mandrivausers.org/index.php?showtopic=15428
[12:45] <Age1172> hi
[12:45] <Blacken> Kaffeine SIGSEGV's when I try to play a WMV. Anyone know why this would be happening?
[12:46] <Age1172> can i access my ntfs drives and save or copy files to them in kubuntu?
[12:47] <ghost> hi, sorry if i didn't reply after my initital xfce query earlier. i minimized the konversation window and since i didn't have a taskbar i didn't know how to get it back
[12:47] <ghost> back in kde for now
[12:47] <izzyb_> Age1172:  short answer, yes
[12:47] <izzyb_> I'm not sure the details
[12:47] <Age1172> how
[12:48] <izzyb_> Age1172: it used to be a problem to get write access, but I heard recently that they solved that with the latest version
[12:48] <izzyb_> but I don't know the details sadly
[12:48] <Age1172> thanks for help
[12:49] <izzyb_> here's a link that may help though:  http://www.linux-ntfs.org/
[01:09] <tonyr> hello
[01:09] <ghost> hi
[01:10] <tonyr> SYstem Settings User management sasys something about couldn't load the module. Is this a know bug?
[01:10] <tonyr> says*
[01:10] <tonyr> nown*
[01:11] <tonyr> known*
[01:24] <ace> can anyone help me with a wireless / ndiswrapper problem?
[01:24] <campbch> Coffee. :D
[01:25] <campbch> ... ... ... i wish i could, more because it implies that i wouldn't have to ask other things.
[01:25] <ghost> heh, even the most basic kubuntu problem is way beyond me still, just trying to get amarok working ;)
[01:26] <ace> thx anyway....
[01:26] <ghost> is java still "wonky" in linux? i recall hearing awhile back that it was becomming open sourced soon
[01:26] <ghost> i recently tried to get it working in Vista and it was a disaster
[01:26] <izzyb_> k, I'm having a heck of a time trying to prevent the ehci-hcd usb driver from loading
[01:26] <zorglu_> wonky ? what does that mean ?
[01:27] <izzyb_> I added an entry to the blacklist file, but it doesn't seem to work
[01:27] <campbch> define wonky?
[01:27] <campbch> rename the file? delete it? move it? does it turn up an error? replace the file with something else? stop me if it'll break something :o
[01:28] <ghost> lol, wonky as in always asking to be reinstalled every time a page with java loads
[01:28] <campbch> im having more problems getting things to run than anything :D
[01:28] <campbch> ooh
[01:28] <campbch> :d good definition, but a tad specific
[01:29] <ghost> i just like the word, rolls off the tongue ya know?
[01:29] <zorglu_> ghost: so no, it is not 'wonky' :)
[01:29] <campbch> can use it for alot of things :D even more so with the ""
[01:29] <ghost> good to hear :)
[01:30] <ghost> will give frostwire installation a try once i get amarok up and running
[01:31] <BluesKaj> ghost, try www.imbrandon.com for the latest amarok and repos site
[01:32] <malcolm> I'm trying to install yahoo IM, I've got all but one dependency installed, that one package is xlibs...it's not in the package manager, how do i install it?
[01:32] <ghost> as i recall, last time i tried i had to use a terminal to download java, something about the agreement messin up adept installation?
[01:32] <ghost> BluesKaj: downloading the latest amarok at the moment, just slow connection thanks
[01:32] <zorglu_> ghost: yep
[01:32] <zorglu_> !java
[01:32] <ubotu> java is To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[01:33] <BluesKaj> ok ghost...good luck
[01:33] <ace> if that was to me chanserv...i have read every post on there in the last 2 days....no help
[01:33] <zorglu_> ace ?
[01:34] <ace> yes?
[01:34] <ghost> i would wage anything comin from chanserv would be automatic and not specific to anyone in particular ace
[01:34] <campbch> It seems like the Gnu Compiler Collection is installed, but i cannot make anything? is getting each compiler specifically, ie c++, c, etc redundant if you have the collection? or is it just a "base" like it notes? i need to be able to 'make all' for programs
[01:34] <ace> i thought i would through it in..i tzlk to bots too
[01:34] <zorglu_> ace: hmm nothing, just wondered to who and about what you talked about :)
[01:35] <Blacken> campbch: Just get the "build-essentials" package, you'll have everything you need.
[01:35] <campbch> alright
[01:36] <bimberi> campbch: note that it's build-essential (no s)
[01:36] <campbch> zomg! hebrew fonts...
[01:36] <campbch> :p
[01:36] <campbch> find so many crazy things in a list that long
[01:37] <malcolm> can some1 help me? i just lost my toolbar and i'm lost without the kmenu
[01:37] <malcolm> idk how to get it back
[01:37] <Hawkwind> malcolm: Hit alt-f2 and type: kicker
[01:38] <malcolm> what's that supposed to do? nothing's happening
[01:38] <Hawkwind> malcolm: kicker is the panel at the bottom
[01:38] <Hawkwind> malcolm: Type this then: killall kicker && kicker
[01:40] <malcolm> um that was wierd, all it did was bring up a window titled JDIC tray icon
[01:40] <wastrel> what's the kde version of evolution PIM?
[01:41] <Hawkwind> malcolm: Have you tried restarting KDE ?
[01:41] <malcolm> no
[01:41] <maryen> !edgy
[01:41] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[01:41] <maryen> !schedule
[01:41] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[01:41] <malcolm> it just happened and i'm not suer how much i can do if i restart kde and it's still gone
[01:42] <Hawkwind> malcolm: Restart KDE and it should appear
[01:42] <v3ctor> malcolm: crtl + alt + backspace
[01:42] <maryen> !beryl
[01:42] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[01:42] <maryen> !ubotu
[01:42] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[01:42] <Hawkwind> maryen: You could /msg ubotu and do that in pm instead of the channel
[01:42] <v3ctor> !botabuse
[01:42] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops
[01:42] <zorglu_> btw is there a special irc event for edgy release ? people seems like to expect something at this date
[01:42] <maryen> bah
[01:43] <maryen> i only did 3
[01:43] <zorglu_> kicked!!!! :)
[01:43] <Hawkwind> You did 4, and you could still do them in pm
[01:43] <v3ctor> maryen: and we appreciate the fact that you only did 3 ;)
[01:43] <Hawkwind> zorglu_: AFAIK there isn't anything planned on IRC for it
[01:43] <ghost> so next version of kubuntu due out soon hey? wonder how much different it'll be
[01:43] <Hawkwind> v3ctor: 4, not 3 :P
[01:43] <Hawkwind> ghost: 8 more days
[01:44] <Hawkwind> ghost: It's really nice in fact.  I've been running it in vmware for over a month now
[01:44] <v3ctor>  :P
[01:44] <maryen> zorglu_: rc1 was supposed to come out today
[01:44] <zorglu_> Hawkwind: lets do something :) i really feel like people expect it :)
[01:44] <maryen> but i think it was moved back to tomorrow
[01:44] <Hawkwind> maryen: Tomorrow actually
[01:44] <Hawkwind> zorglu_: What is it you would want to see done exactly ?
[01:44] <ghost> can it be upgraded to? takes me a week or two to get everything installed and working, be a shame to have to start over again
[01:44] <zorglu_> Hawkwind: dunno in fact
[01:45] <maryen> ghost:
[01:45] <maryen> ghost:  yes
[01:45] <Hawkwind> ghost: You could, but no guarantees on that as upgrades can break at any time
[01:45] <ghost> ooh, nice :)
[01:45] <zorglu_> Hawkwind: but there are a surprising number of people asking about this date... it seems like an event... something bigger that a plain software release
[01:45] <Hawkwind> ghost: However, I'd recommend against not upgrading since the entire init system has been completely redone.  So it's likely to cause issues when upgrading
[01:45] <Hawkwind> zorglu_: Maybe bring it up in the -devel channel with Riddell and see what we could do
[01:46] <ghost> ah, i know how much trouble that can cause in the windows world, didn't know it was the same in that regard here
[01:46] <wastrel> what's the palm desktop program for kde?
[01:46] <zorglu_> Hawkwind: you are a community manager, find something dammit :)
[01:46] <Hawkwind> LOL zorglu_
[01:46] <ghost> thanks for the advice, will do a clean install once i get the new iso downloaded
[01:46] <Hawkwind> zorglu_: I'm not a community manager for Ubuntu  though :P
[01:46] <Hawkwind> wastrel: kpalm maybe ?  Just guessing
[01:46] <naegling23> question, I just enabled tranlucency, how do I disable this on my kicker only?
[01:46] <maryen> ghost: a fresh install is very recommended, edgy is faster and more stable than dapper
[01:46] <Hawkwind> naegling23: Running XGL/Compiz ?
[01:46] <maryen> ghost: for me at least
[01:47] <wastrel> Hawkwind:  i know abou kpilot but there's another one i'm trying to remember
[01:47] <naegling23> kpilot is the palm program, its included with kde
[01:47] <ghost> the new buntu release for all the buntu types? kge, gmone, x, etc?
[01:47] <naegling23> no, just regular kde
[01:47] <Hawkwind> wastrel: Ah yeah, kpilot is the one I was thinking of, sorry
[01:47] <Hawkwind> naegling23: Right click on kicker and configure the panel
[01:47] <vge> maryen: well i just got it trought repos
[01:47] <wastrel> is there a kde version of evolution?  (not the email, but the PIM part)
[01:47] <campbch_> *shudder* terrible internet connection
[01:48] <naegling23> you can use evolution
[01:48] <campbch_> my adept manager keeps freezing :'(
[01:48] <wastrel> i hate evolution, and palm support in evo is kindof gross
[01:48] <campbch_> no, it's "wonky"
[01:48] <wastrel> it's both
[01:48] <campbch_> :d
[01:49] <campbch_> :d
[01:49] <campbch_> :D
[01:49] <ghost> see? he's learning :)
[01:49] <naegling23> right clicking on the kicker cycles transparency for the kicker, im talking about the translucency tab under desktop system settings
[01:49] <ghost> even remembered the quotes, i'm so proud
[01:49] <naegling23> its pretty nice eye candy, but it extends to the kicker too, and I just want that to be solid
[01:49] <Hawkwind> naegling23: Ah, I don't think you can do what you want.  You either have all translucency, or none at all
[01:50] <naegling23> poo
[01:50] <campbch_> anyways, adept manager was installing build-essential(s) and lost 2 files, where it now says error.
[01:50] <naegling23> huh, doesnt seem right, but if thats the way it is...oh well
[01:50] <campbch_> is there a way to force a redownload of those files?
[01:51] <campbch_> oo it says broken :(
[01:51] <morfic_> so new install is better than upgrading to the new version? what if i install from 6.10 right now, is an upgrade then more likely, or the changes still too big to consider that option?
[01:52] <campbch_> for the love of pete!!!
[01:52] <campbch_> now it says broken, won't install, and won't uninstall
[01:52] <campbch_> what do i do with it?
[01:56] <campbch_> ok, now i got build-essentials to uninstall, but it wont let me install
[01:56] <campbch_> stating the same error
[01:56] <campbch_> how to i tell adept to just >do< it? it keeps saying it can't
[01:57] <vge> apt-get install -f paggagename
[01:58] <vge> sorry, watch man apt-get before trying some force options
[01:58] <campbch_> there was an error... problem downloading etc etc or would break packages
[01:59] <campbch_> if i use apt-get install it would work?
[01:59] <naegling23> I must say though, even with the kicker not working quite right, the translucency is pretty cool.  It sure makes up for the fact that xgl isnt practical enough to run everyday
[02:00] <campbch_> 4.0.3-1ubuntu5_i386.deb  Could not resolve 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'
[02:00] <campbch_> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-4.0/libstdc++6-4.0-dev_4.0.3-1ubuntu5_i386.deb  Could not resolve 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'
[02:00] <campbch_> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[02:00] <cellofellow> I don't have bluetooth or RAID. Can I disable the Bluetooth and Raid services that start at boot to increase boot speed?
[02:00] <avagant> Is there actually a kopete2? Or am I dreaming?
[02:00] <campbch_> ... why?
[02:00] <avagant> cello there's a forum topic on that, hold on.
[02:01] <avagant> cellofellow: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491
[02:01] <cellofellow> thanks
[02:01] <wastrel> kpilot appears to be what i want, was confusing it with jpilot which is not integrated into gnome's pim apps
[02:02] <avagant> It cut down my loadtime a bit, even though I never really paid attention before.
[02:02] <avagant> But it's noticable.
[02:02] <avagant> So, can I just explain what a pain in the rear it is to download icon themes on kde?
[02:02] <campbch_> :o
[02:03] <avagant> I tried for the better part of a couple hours last night, with no success.
[02:03] <campbch_> why cant i install build-essential? it was installing fine, but then my internet dropped, and it broke two packages... it removed everything, but will NOT start again what should i do?
[02:03] <zubin_> did you try removing it and then installing it again?
[02:03] <campbch_>  it removed everything, but will NOT start again it removed everything, but will NOT start again
[02:04] <campbch_> damn
[02:04] <campbch_> it copied twice sorry :(
[02:04] <zubin_> interesting...
[02:04] <campbch_> i did a request remove
[02:04] <campbch_> and it did
[02:04] <campbch_> so i restarted adept
[02:04] <campbch_> and it says install, like everthing
[02:04] <campbch_> but it fetches a list of files in the package and states that...
[02:05] <zubin_> Go to the command line
[02:05] <campbch_> there was a problem fetching packages, so on and so forth
[02:05] <campbch_> i pasted some of the output from the error i got on the command line
[02:05] <zubin_> sudo apt-get remove build-essential
[02:05] <campbch_> one sec...
[02:05] <zubin_> and see what it says
[02:05] <campbch_> kk
[02:06] <zubin_> you'll probably have to close adept first
[02:06] <campbch_> Package build-essential is not installed, so not removed
[02:06] <zubin_> ok
[02:06] <campbch_> on install
[02:06] <campbch_> it says
[02:06] <malcolm> how do i install the xlibs package? yahoo IM won't work without it
[02:07] <zubin_> sudo apt-get install xlibs xlibs-data xlibs-dev
[02:07] <zubin_> (campbch) what does it say on install
[02:09] <malcolm> it tells me that the package xlibs is unavailable
[02:10] <zubin_> (malcolm) do 'sudo apt-get update' then do 'apt-get pkgnames | grep xlib'  and see if anything displays
[02:10] <zorglu_> zubin_: out of curiosity, what is your irc client ?
[02:11] <zubin_> Konversation
[02:11] <zorglu_> it is konversation which make you the (malcolm) ?
[02:11] <zorglu_> i mean instead of the usual "nickname: " ?
[02:12] <zorglu_> just curious :)
[02:12] <malcolm> ???
[02:12] <malcolm> i get E: Invalid operation pkgnames
[02:12] <zubin_> no...i typed that manually
[02:12] <dragonflyseven> I just see "malcom"
[02:12] <zubin_> lol
[02:12] <zorglu_> malcolm: sorry i just picked your nickname from a previous message
[02:12] <zorglu_> zubin_: ok :)
[02:13] <dragonflyseven> OK, I am bored. Who knows of an interesting channel I could join?
[02:13] <malcolm> i got the taskbar back if that's what ur wondering
[02:13] <zubin_> did you find xlibs?
[02:13] <malcolm> no
[02:13] <zubin_> are you using dapper / edgy?
[02:14] <malcolm> it told me E: invalid operation pkgnames
[02:14] <zubin_> sudo apt-cache pkgnames| grep xlib
[02:14] <zubin_> not apt-get... my bad
[02:14] <malcolm> same error
[02:15] <zubin_> ??????
[02:15] <zubin_> sorry... are you using ubuntu?
[02:15] <malcolm> it's still giving me E: Invalid operation pkgnames
[02:15] <malcolm> I'm using Kubuntu
[02:16] <zubin_> copy, paste this... it works for me....
[02:16] <zubin_> sudo apt-cache pkgnames| grep xlib
[02:16] <zorglu_> btw sudo is not required in this case
[02:16] <zubin_> very true
[02:16] <malcolm> yep it works, i was using apt-get
[02:17] <zubin_> cool...did you see any xlibs ?
[02:17] <malcolm> and xlibs is in there
[02:17] <zubin_> cool...
[02:17] <zubin_> sudo apt-get install xlibs
[02:17] <malcolm> it won't install
[02:17] <zubin_> what did it say?
[02:18] <malcolm> Package xlibs is not available
[02:18] <malcolm> ...
[02:18] <zubin_> did you do an 'sudo apt-get update' before....
[02:18] <malcolm> yes
[02:19] <zubin_> ok... i did it too...
[02:19] <zubin_> xlibs has been replaced
[02:19] <zubin_> try do:
[02:20] <malcolm> but yahoo im requres it
[02:20] <zubin_> sudo apt-get install libxft1 xkb-data
[02:20] <zubin_> how are you installing yahoo im?
[02:20] <malcolm> the unix version
[02:20] <zubin_> from where?
[02:20] <dragonflyseven> Why don't you just use Gaim?
[02:20] <malcolm> i can't remember i googled it
[02:20] <malcolm> cause gaim is getting anoying
[02:21] <malcolm> and is missing fetures
[02:21] <ghost> do either gaim or kopete have cam chat working yet?
[02:21] <malcolm> kopete does
[02:21] <malcolm> but it's realy anoying to use
[02:22] <unix_lappy> anyone know where i can get gaim 2.0 beta3 debs for 6.06?
[02:22] <dragonflyseven> The gaim site?
[02:23] <malcolm> anyway, i've got a deb package for the unix version of yahoo im and i can't install is cause of xlibs
[02:23] <malcolm> is there some way to get xlibs on here?
[02:24] <zubin_> how do you feel about compiling xlibs?
[02:24] <malcolm> i've never compiled a thing on linux
[02:24] <malcolm> at least not successfully
[02:24] <zubin_>  its not that tough....
[02:24] <cpk2> find xlibs
[02:25] <cpk2> !find xlibs
[02:25] <ubotu> Found: xlibs-dev
[02:25] <cpk2> you have that?
[02:25] <malcolm> i think last time i tried this it conflicted with some other package though(x11 or something)
[02:25] <cpk2> !info xlibs-dev
[02:25] <ubotu> xlibs-dev: X Window System client library development files transitional package. In component main, is extra. Version 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 (dapper), package size 8 kB, installed size 36 kB
[02:27] <zubin_> if you want to try compiling it, first install the following "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[02:28] <cpk2> zubin_: he has a .deb
[02:28] <malcolm> i think i'll use windows netime i need the other fetures, and i'll try to figure out kopete
[02:29] <zubin_> it looks like xlibs is alot of work....i was just checking...
[02:29] <zubin_> use give kopete a try... its pretty cool
[02:29] <cpk2> malcolm: you tried apt-get install xlibs-dev?
[02:29] <zubin_> i use it quite abit...
[02:29] <malcolm> if there was a way that everything could be simpler on linux and there weren't so many dependecies it would be so much easier
[02:30] <zubin_> even if he has  a deb
[02:30] <campbch> ok! build-essentials installed, but now i'm having problems getting lcc to compile :'(
[02:30] <zubin_> he can do a make check-install
[02:30] <zubin_> and that would make a deb out of the source
[02:30] <zubin_> hopefully with the name xlibs
[02:32] <PFA> kubuntu linux is not for beginners
[02:32] <cpk2> eh?
[02:32] <malcolm> i'm not a beginner at computers, but i am at linux
[02:33] <ghost> in comparison to other distros, yeah this is the beginner distro for linux
[02:33] <malcolm> and i was told kde is better than gnome so i got kubuntu
[02:33] <PFA> tell that to the guy who did the Linux Distribution Wizard
[02:33] <PFA> Kubuntu
[02:33] <PFA> Kubuntu is a user friendly operating system based on KDE, the K Desktop Environment. With a predictable 6 month release cycle and part of the Ubuntu project, Kubuntu is the GNU/Linux distribution for everyone.
[02:33] <PFA> Visit Kubuntu at: http://www.kubuntu.org/ Failed these criteria:
[02:33] <PFA> Not suitable for beginners
[02:33] <ghost> this is my first nix distro, i tried a couple others and they were much more to tackle
[02:33] <cpk2> malcolm: have you tried to install xlibs-dev or are you giving up on yahoo? =)
[02:33] <LjL> guess "suitable for beginners" might mean things like Linspire to some people
[02:34] <ghost> god, what do they consider a beginner distro there then?
[02:34] <campbch> i got slackware running, got suse running, spent some time on them, but i like this better. seems more organized, more basic, and has the ability to add things that you need rather than forcing you to remove things you don't
[02:34] <malcolm> i'm trying it now
[02:34] <ghost> yeah, would probably have to look exactly like winxp or something
[02:34] <cpk2> there is a winxp theme at kde-look.org
[02:34] <campbch> that defeats the purpose :D
[02:34] <campbch> anyways
[02:34] <malcolm> how much simpler is lindows?
[02:34] <PFA> plain ol' ubuntu is rated suitable for beginners though
[02:34] <ghost> i haven't experimented with themes in this yet
[02:35] <unix_lappy> PFA: people hate change, even the most basic of change.
[02:35] <zubin_> campbch... did you get build-essentials working?
[02:35] <cpk2> PFA: kubuntu is ubuntu...
[02:35] <unix_lappy> no green start bar...no go.
[02:35] <PFA> well i'm not the one who says that it's not
[02:35] <PFA> mandriva is rated for beginners too
[02:35] <PFA> and so is Xandros
[02:35] <ghost> PFA well, regardless of what that site says, any problems you might encounter can usually get answered here fairly promptly
[02:35] <PFA> haha, i don't use kubuntu
[02:35] <PFA> i'm just being silleeee
[02:35] <PFA> but thanks :)
[02:36] <ghost> ah, s'ok i was bein "wonky" earlier this evening
[02:36] <cpk2> well saying ubuntu is user friendly but kubuntu isnt is basically a moron...
[02:36] <cpk2> they are the same except kubuntu uses kde
[02:36] <cpk2> and I fail to see how kde can be more difficult than gnome
[02:36] <LjL> err, well, yeah, except that everything that the normal user sees *is* the DE... =)
[02:37] <zubin_> depends what people like... kde is way more flexible... and gnome is straight to the point....
[02:38] <zubin_> but kde isn't tough to use... my grandfather uses kde
[02:38] <zubin_> so does my mum, grandaunt
[02:38] <malcolm> still can't install yahoo
[02:38] <malcolm> :(
[02:38] <zubin_> lol....
[02:38] <zubin_> its really yahoo's fault...
[02:39] <zubin_> xlibs is deprecated
[02:39] <malcolm> i like the server part of linux, but i don't like using anything that doesn't install from teh package manager
[02:40] <malcolm> unix yahoo IM works on suse, but i've never used suse and don't plan on making another ajustment soon
[02:40] <zubin_> well once you learn how to compile from source... you'll find its pretty cool and very flexible too...depending on the program of course
[02:40] <zubin_> but i understand if you don't want to right now... it takes time to learn
[02:41] <zubin_> i think you should just wait a bit...sooner or later they'll update it
[02:41] <campbch> i need to install the LCC compiler, since it is the compiler we are using in class, but the make instructions are for a unix system. none of the commands like setenv work, and i get an error when i 'make all', how do i install it?
[02:41] <malcolm> well i've got too many other things i want to get on here to waste time on a stupid im program
[02:42] <zubin_> true
[02:42] <BluesKaj> i was a gnome user , but i do prefer kde and I'm a 63 yr old grandfather
[02:42] <zubin_> lcc compilter?
[02:42] <zubin_> nice...
[02:42] <campbch> i'm just jumping in, but i am having problems compiling from source
[02:42] <campbch> hmm? nice why?
[02:42] <cpk2> malcolm: why wont the .deb work now?
[02:43] <BluesKaj> always wondered what compiling from source consists of ?
[02:43] <malcolm> dependencies
[02:43] <campbch> i would use the compilers on the system, but the professor prefers that we use lcc
[02:43] <cpk2> malcolm: on?
[02:43] <BluesKaj> lcc is ?
[02:43] <campbch> lcc is a compiler
[02:44] <campbch> that i need to compile
[02:44] <PFA> lcc is my mother
[02:44] <BluesKaj> lib comp
[02:44] <campbch> because it just a particular compiler we are using in class
[02:44] <malcolm> xlibs and libssl0.9.6
[02:44] <campbch> anyone know how to build it?
[02:44] <campbch> i cant find a downloadable binary
[02:45] <cpk2> malcolm: can you link to the site you got the .deb from?
[02:45] <malcolm> ???
[02:45] <zubin_> http://messenger.yahoo.com/download/unix.html
[02:46] <LjL> campbch: pointer to the tarball? (anyway, why does it matter which compiler you use?)
[02:47] <zubin_> campbch: did you go here?: ftp://ftp.cs.princeton.edu/pub/packages/lcc
[02:47] <zubin_> aren't there binaries there????
[02:48] <avagant> So is there really a kopete2?
[02:48] <cpk2> malcolm: apt-get install libgdk-pixbuf2
[02:48] <avagant> Or am I just reading things funny.
[02:48] <MegaMasterX> Hello everyone
[02:49] <zubin_> campbch: i think the readme says how to extract the binary
[02:49] <zubin_> scroll down to Availability on : http://www.cs.princeton.edu/software/lcc/doc/linux.html
[02:49] <malcolm> i've already got that on here
[02:50] <cpk2> malcolm: and openssl?
[02:51] <malcolm> i've got everything except xlibs and libssl0.9.6
[02:51] <zubin_> hey malcom...
[02:51] <zubin_> just got an idea...don't know if it will work though...
[02:52] <campbch> one sec
[02:52] <zubin_> how about trying to apt-get install libxft1 xkb-data , because those replace xlibs, and then once thats installed... try extracting the ymessenger.deb ...?
[02:53] <zubin_> and run the binaries
[02:53] <zubin_> campbch:  this is what its says on the page:
[02:53] <zubin_> Availability
[02:53] <zubin_> lcc's C source code and Linux executables are available for anonymous ftp at URL ftp://ftp.cs.princeton.edu/pub/lcc/. It's about a megabyte, so it can be downloaded
[02:55] <zubin_> to extract a deb... first create a direcitory ie. mkdir temp, then extract the .deb: dpkg-deb -x ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb temp/
[02:56] <wastrel> hello
[02:56] <zubin_> then copy those binaries to the proper places on your system...
[02:56] <zubin_> its worth a try, its the quickest thing i can think of...
[02:56] <ubuntu> hi
[02:56] <ubuntu> how can i mount my kubuntu hd on live cD
[02:56] <ubuntu> ?
[02:56] <zubin_> gtg guys.... cu
[02:57] <malcolm> that would work if only i knew where the files go
[02:58] <malcolm> i'm used to windows, with %system root% and %system% and path$
[02:58] <malcolm> I'm not used to linux file system
[02:58] <malcolm> idk where nething is
[02:58] <Xzanron> hi.. i just installed kubuntu and it seems to be missing some basic packages. I was wondering if anyone knew where I could get them. I'm currently missing libdvdcss2, win32codecs, drivers for my broadcom wireless network card. I'd appreciate it if someone could help me find those packages
[02:58] <campbch> :D swweeettt now i have to find what it's called
[02:58] <campbch> thanks zub
[02:58] <ubuntu> how can i mount my kubuntu hd on live cD???
[02:59] <unix_lappy> anyone know the chan for the rxvt project?
[02:59] <campbch> xzanron: those are proooobably not supported because they are proprietary, you need to look for them or widen your repositories
[02:59] <yokobr> hi
[02:59] <yokobr> how can i mount my kubuntu hd on live cD???
[03:00] <marc_> Help...!!!
[03:01] <Xzanron> campbch: i suspected as much. What repositories do I need? I'm used to mandriva. Is there something like PLF for ubuntu?
[03:01] <campbch> okkay, i don't know which one to get... there are tons of files on the ftp, but i don't see any that would relate to what i am looking for
[03:01] <campbch> i don't have any idea
[03:02] <marc_> WHo might be able to help me with Ubuntu' Evolution...?
[03:02] <yokobr> how can i mount my kubuntu hd on live cD???
[03:03] <malcolm> xzanron: idk about teh libdvdccs2 but i got w32 codecs from doing this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#w32codecs
[03:04] <marc_> I can recieve  e-mail's , but I can't send...somewhere I read that we can change ports for th SMTP but I can't see where....?
[03:05] <BluesKaj> what email program are you using marc_ ?
[03:06] <marc_> Evolution Blues..
[03:07] <Xzanron> malcolm: i found the plf for ubuntu.. the world is saved!
[03:07] <Xzanron> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf
[03:08] <BluesKaj> normally the smtp port is port 110
[03:11] <malcolm> can anyone here help me with a iomega zip 250 driver?
[03:13] <campbch> ok, i cannot find the binary beside in RPM format on any part of the ftp
[03:13] <campbch> which brings me back to the installing...
[03:14] <marc_> Blues...where in Evolution would I apply that setting....for the SMTP port..?
[03:15] <marc_> I know my port setting...I just can't seem to find in Evolution...can i change it...I don;t know.
[03:16] <willreed03> wow i bet i can get some help in here
[03:16] <willreed03> if anyone is around
[03:17] <NightBird> whats up?
[03:17] <campbch> ok, scrap lcc
[03:17] <campbch> anyone know if i did a make all in a directory where those output files would go?
[03:17] <marc_> Trying to configure my Evolution e-mail app...and I can't seem to change the SMTP settings.
[03:17] <NightBird> marc_, cool....
[03:18] <willreed03> well does anyone want to listen to my woes and maybe give some helpful advice to a linux beginner
[03:18] <willreed03> ?
[03:18] <ghost> sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin still the right command to install java in kubuntu? got it from the ubuntu site
[03:18] <campbch> i like kontact
[03:18] <marc_> Nightbird...nothing cool about being able to recieve e-mail's but i can't send the darn things..LOL
[03:18] <willreed03> speaking of java i cant get it to work
[03:19] <willreed03> i installed it but when i go to a site that uses java nothing works
[03:19] <ghost> i used to have that problem last time i tried willreed
[03:20] <willreed03> what do you suggest
[03:20] <ghost> never did get it fixed so wiped kubuntu, am making another attempt now.....sometimes i need to walk away for a bit before i get too frustrated
[03:20] <willreed03> ah
[03:20] <waspius> hello..i want to install gnome and kde on the same machine..i apt-get install gnome and it requires me to choose a desired display manager...if i choose gdm will i still be able to use kde..or if i use kdm??
[03:20] <ghost> i'm using Swiftfox as my browser
[03:20] <marc_> good advise Ghost....
[03:21] <bLaZeD> willreed03, sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin ...then run sudo update-alternatives --config java and select the sun java as your defalt
[03:21] <ghost> my last attempt i got about 70% of the things i used to do in windows working, hopin to improve on that this time
[03:21] <ghost> already got swiftfox and amarok working which i couldn't do last time
[03:21] <willreed03> thanks bLaZeD ill give that a try
[03:22] <bLaZeD> willreed03, no problem...i do belive the sun java will be option # 3
[03:22] <willreed03> alrighty
[03:22] <ghost> trying that also blazed, thanks
[03:22] <waspius> anyone?
[03:22] <bLaZeD> ghost, no prob...it should work fine
[03:22] <jontec> I have a problem: all of a sudden I am denied access to the shared documents on another windows computer on the network. I've always been able to do it up to this point
[03:23] <jontec> is there any reason why this would happen?
[03:23] <bLaZeD> waspius, sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop
[03:23] <waspius> bLaZeD: ok thanx
[03:23] <bLaZeD> waspius, no prob
[03:24] <waspius> bLaZeD: so how do i remove everything i just installed?
[03:24] <campbch> how do i enable the dapper-updates repository?
[03:25] <marc_> jontec....the Windows machine might have it's firewall up...!
[03:25] <bLaZeD> waspius, well if u went ahead and installed gnome u should be all set right?
[03:25] <campbch> your neighbors found out about you :D
[03:25] <bLaZeD> !repos
[03:25] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:25] <bLaZeD> campbch, ^^
[03:25] <waspius> bLaZeD: well istoped the installation at the question of which manager i want
[03:26] <bLaZeD> waspius, just try the commadn i gave u...apt-get rules...and will probly take care of everything
[03:26] <jontec> I found the problem... iTunes is operating over my network. I think it locks down the other computer.
[03:26] <waspius> bLaZeD: ok thanx
[03:26] <rawrness> Evening Yal :P
[03:27] <bLaZeD> waspius, no prob at all :)
[03:28] <ghost> hmm, just read this on the ubuntu site: * There are no browser plugins for AMD64 and sparc. You will need to install a 32bit version of Firefox. See below.
[03:29] <lebifteksauvage> chroot
[03:29] <bLaZeD> ghost, yea.....64 bit linux is stil llackin
[03:30] <ghost> doh
[03:31] <danny500> I'm using Ktorrent and I accidently killed the Klauncher process, how do I get Klauncher to work again?
[03:31] <danny500> can anybody help me?
[03:32] <NightBird> I've noticed that 64 bit seems to be anything is lacking for the most part... unless you're talking server type applications
[03:32] <NightBird> er... no 'is' there...
[03:33] <danny500> 64 bit systems is a waist of time becuase there is virtually no programs that take advatage of them
[03:33] <ghost> still seems to be alot more 64bit software for linux than windows
[03:34] <danny500> it may say 64bit but it most likely doesn't take advantage of the 64bit at all
[03:34] <ghost> could be as much as 5 years before it becomes commonplace or the standard tho
[03:34] <ghost> indeed
[03:36] <ghost> maybe by the time Edgy's successor comes out sun will have gone open source with it's java code and we'll be able to get working 64bit java :)
[03:36] <campbch> ok, i need kdevelop then if lcc isnt going to work, but how do i know where things like qt3 and kde3 are? the directories?
[03:36] <danny500> I have a question. How come a game works on a game system with only 32mb's of RAM, a 8mb integrated graphics card and a 233mhz cpu, but you need a computer with a 256mb dedicated graphics card with 256mb of RAM and a 1.5 ghz proccesssor?
[03:36] <genus5> ummmm solaris is free
[03:37] <genus5> I have Solaris 10
[03:37] <wastrel> the computer is a general purpose machine without specialized hardware that's needed to run the game quickly, and thus more work needs to be done by the processor
[03:37] <danny500> that totally retarded
[03:37] <campbch> is kdevelop available through adept?
[03:37] <wastrel> and computer monitors have better resolution than televisions so it takes more work to make a pretty picture
[03:37] <Hawkwind> larson9999: Incase you're here, seems I was wrong.  Flash 9 beta was released today for Linux :)
[03:38] <NightBird> danny500, it's because they hate you
[03:38] <danny500> lol thanx
[03:38] <ghost> Hawkwind: is it stable? when's the non-beta due?
[03:38] <marc_> and they like your money..
[03:38] <danny500> what happened to flash player 8?
[03:38] <campbch> anyone? yes? no?
[03:38] <Hawkwind> ghost: Seems pretty stable
[03:38] <Hawkwind> danny500: We were never due to get flash 8 for linux
[03:38] <ghost> cool, will have to give it a try
[03:39] <danny500> why did they just skip to 9 then?
[03:39] <Hawkwind> danny500: It was planned all along, ask the Adobe developers maybe
[03:39] <rawrness> Btw way even1  i learned the printers will print around 5,000 pages before tonner replacements
[03:39] <danny500> are they just to lazy to make an 8?
[03:39] <Hawkwind> danny500: Ask the Adobe developers
[03:39] <NightBird> campbch, unless it's under some other name then "kdevelop".... no...
[03:39] <danny500> ok
[03:40] <campbch> how do i install it? it says i need to 'export' config files and such to qt3, kde3 directories, how do i know where these are?
[03:43] <campbch> ok, where are the kde3 and qt3 directories located in kubuntu?
[03:44] <campbch> ... anyone still there?
[03:45] <NightBird> it's used to take down servers for restart or for updates...
[03:45] <NightBird> rawrness, not nessisarily
[03:45] <rawrness> I see
[03:45] <genus5> damn this is annoying
[03:46] <marc_> back
[03:46] <campbch> ok, /etc makes no sense but they're there.
[03:46] <marc_> tried a few different settings in the SMTP...but not working.
[03:46] <NightBird> IRC servers are kind of like a spider system... where there are servers going off of other servers going off of other servers, so while a netsplit is between two servers, any one connected to a server connected to either one of those servers will appear to disconnect from those on the other side of the servers
[03:47] <rawrness> I see
[03:49] <Hawkwind> !flash 9
[03:49] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released.  You can get information and download it here: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[03:49] <Jucato> lol
[03:49] <rawrness> fun
[03:50] <rawrness> we are also talking about it in ubuntu offtopic :P
[03:50] <willreed03> so apparently java was working
[03:50] <willreed03> for some reason it just doesnt work at that site
[03:50] <ubuntu> hi, i run KDE (edgy) and when i start-up i get to the login screen enter my pass, click enter and all it does it bring me back to the login screen, anyone know how to fix this?
[03:50] <willreed03> mayhaps the server is down or something
[03:51] <rawrness> ubuntu try the edgy channel
[03:51] <rawrness> perhaps
[03:51] <ubuntu> what is the channel?
[03:51] <Agent_bob> ubuntu maybe select the session to use.
[03:51] <Jucato> ubuntu: #ubuntu+1
[03:51] <ubuntu> thank you
[03:54] <genus5> can anyone explain this grant command to me...I want to give a norm user ability to create databases http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/grant.html
[03:54] <Jucato> lol @ Hawkwind
[03:55] <tanlaan> hello everyong :D
[03:55] <tanlaan> everyone*
[03:56] <Halpo> whats the main differences between kde and gnome?
[03:56] <campbch> complexity
[03:57] <Halpo> is kde supposed to be more of a transition from a windows type environment?
[03:57] <campbch> gnome tries not to be, kde is prettier
[03:57] <Jucato> most basic difference? KDE and GNOME use different toolkits to draw their stuff
[03:57] <genus5> kde doesn't suck lol
[03:57] <tanlaan> isnt kde faster and more configurable
[03:57] <genus5> yes
[03:57] <Jucato> Halpo: not really. it may or maybe,dependingon how the distro configures KDE to look/behave
[03:58] <genus5> kde is more customizable
[03:58] <Agent_bob> Hawkwind nice quit mess.
[03:58] <rawrness> who do you emote ........ "Feeling noobish...."
[03:58] <rawrness> how*
[03:58] <Hawkwind> Agent_bob: Thanks.  I assume you read it :P
[03:58] <tanlaan> type /me
[03:58] <wastrel> /em emotes
[03:58] <Hawkwind> Ickkkkkkkkkkkkk
[03:58] <rawrness> ah
[03:58] <wastrel> er, me
[03:58] <Agent_bob> no not me
[03:58] <wastrel> that was a typo :] 
[03:59] <Jucato> ok going back to Halpo's question
[03:59] <Halpo> so if i already have ubuntu installed, i can switch it to kubuntu pretty easily to try it out?
[03:59] <Jucato> Halpo: you'd have to install it, but yeah
[03:59] <Jucato> Halpo: also, KDE apps work on GNOME and vice versa
[03:59] <tanlaan> will kubuntu be able to use my wifi card?
[03:59] <Agent_bob> Halpo sure all kubuntu is is the ubuntu base with kde in place of gnome
[04:00] <genus5> just use sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:00] <Agent_bob> Halpo just install kde
[04:00] <genus5> the apt method is easier
[04:00] <echo1> help! i need help!  I just tired to run a rather old game ive got (railroad tycoon 2) and it failed ot start.  That I can deal with, the problem is now my resolution is much smaller.  Than normal and i can move around - its like its all magnified
[04:00] <echo1> how do I unmagnify?
[04:01] <tomaz> hello darlings
[04:01] <Halpo> the apt-get failed on me
[04:01] <Agent_bob> echo1 alt+ctrl+minus
[04:01] <Agent_bob> the minus on the number pad.
[04:02] <echo1> um, im laptop
[04:02] <echo1> :/ heh
[04:02] <Agent_bob> it still has one.   try it.
[04:02] <rawrness> then buy a number pad :P
[04:02] <tanlaan> echo1 its next to backspace
[04:02] <echo1> yeah, it brings up the shutdown menu
[04:02] <echo1> restart, shutdown, suspend etc
[04:03] <tomaz> hum hum.
[04:03] <Agent_bob> you are not pressing the meta-key that shifts to the number pad
[04:03] <tomaz> ppl, anyone here tried krita over gimp?
[04:03] <echo1> ahhh
[04:03] <tomaz> i'm an graphics designer, and i was kicked out by krita.
[04:03] <echo1> found it, thanks
[04:04] <Agent_bob> echo1 that secquence will loop up or down.
[04:04] <echo1> excellent
[04:04] <Jucato> you were kicked out?
[04:06] <Agent_bob> tanlaan that all you have to complain about ?     it not only takes too long but doesn't give many options, doesn't work correctly, and is just plain irritating....
[04:06] <tomaz> yup
[04:06] <tomaz> just kicked out
[04:06] <tomaz> and nearly defenestrated
[04:06] <tomaz> because, i can do almost anything with gimp, and
[04:06] <tomaz> with krita, i just... could do nothing.
[04:07] <tomaz> i was completely... ya know? Missed.
[04:07] <tomaz> and, there's a bug that's preventing me to use krita... when i move a image with the transform tool, (but not transforming the image, just moving it), it recalculates everything.
[04:08] <tomaz> i'm trying to learn programming to remove that bug.
[04:08] <Jucato> tomaz: you could try asking in #koffice
[04:08] <tomaz> hum... nice =)
[04:08] <tomaz> i know a little c++, so i could be a helpful hand
[04:09] <Midspeed> hey guys i forgot whats the name of the windows media codec packages, i want to download it through ADEPT
[04:09] <Midspeed> can somebody tell me the name?
[04:09] <rawrness> I just tryed  to play a song in amaorak
[04:09] <Agent_bob> !codecs
[04:09] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:09] <rawrness> and it asked if i wanted to install them
[04:10] <marc_> Ciao Folks....Enjoy...
[04:10] <tomaz> hum... ppl
[04:10] <tomaz> it's normal to use nearly 400mb of Ram in a fresh kubuntu installation?
[04:10] <rawrness> holy
[04:11] <Agent_bob> tomaz linux allocates ram.  it's not actually using that much.
[04:11] <Jucato> tomaz: depends. Linux handles memory quite differently from Windows
[04:11] <rawrness> I only have 218 ramm
[04:11] <campbch_> ...
[04:11] <sorush20> where are the bugs for hplip package they are not no on launchpad?
[04:11] <rawrness> but yet my swap is bigger than my ramm
[04:11] <Agent_bob> tomaz konsole do a  free -m     and look at the  +/-  line.
[04:11] <rawrness> I have a 5 gig swap partion.
[04:11] <tomaz> when i used to have 256 of ram, it used... 230 +-, and when i upgraded to 512, it's on 400 +-.
[04:11] <rawrness> i am werid like that
[04:11] <tanlaan> ok i need some help here...
[04:12] <tanlaan> i need help setting up my wifi card
[04:12] <campbch_> ello?
[04:12] <campbch_> speak to me! disconnect?
[04:12] <tomaz> frubuntu@ubuntu:~$ free -m
[04:12] <tomaz>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[04:12] <tomaz> Mem:           440        422         17          0         46        169
[04:12] <tomaz> u.u
[04:13] <Agent_bob> the next line please.
[04:13] <tomaz> this is normal?
[04:13] <tomaz> -/+ buffers/cache:        207        233
[04:13] <tomaz> what this line means?
[04:13] <Agent_bob> used 207m
[04:13] <Agent_bob> free 233m
[04:14] <tomaz> this is a little weird
[04:14] <tomaz> someone can explain how linux uses memory? i'm a bit lost here
[04:14] <Agent_bob> tomaz the line with the +/- is the real usage.  it omits the unused but allocated ram.   (buffered)
[04:15] <tomaz> but...
[04:15] <tomaz> if the memory is allocated, it cannot be used outside the program that alloced it, right?
[04:16] <Agent_bob> linux allocates memory according to   the amount of ram that is needed + a buffer according to the ammount of free ram.   that way if the app needs more it has free ajacent ram.        but if the system needs the ram it will use the buffered ram.
[04:16] <sorush20> when I'm trying to uninstall hplip pakcage, I get the message that kubuntu-desktop will be removed.. how can i fix this?
[04:16] <ubuntu_> hi...is there any partition manager for ubuntu wich i can make a mac os file system?
[04:17] <Agent_bob> tomaz buffered/cached ram is not wasted in linux like it would be in doze
[04:17] <tomaz> hum...
[04:18] <Agent_bob> i've ran ubuntu with kde on a box with 64m ram and no swap.   so don't try to tell me that it's a ram hog.
[04:18] <tomaz> heh
[04:18] <rawrness> nice
[04:18] <ubuntu_> hi...is there any partition manager for ubuntu wich i can make a mac os file system?
[04:19] <tomaz> but i use a lot programs like gimp and inkscape
[04:19] <Agent_bob> but if you have 2g of ram it will allocate most of it.
[04:19] <tomaz> and gimp and inkscape can eat LOTS of ram
[04:19] <Agent_bob> tomaz now gimp on the other hand does hog ram.
[04:19] <Agent_bob> so does oo
[04:20] <Agent_bob> but that is an application specific issue. not really part of the over all ram usage issue.
[04:20] <letalis> ubuntu_ are you basically repartitioning a drive to add that partition or is it a new drive?
[04:21] <plugs> When i get a broken packages error, what do i do about it?
[04:21] <tomaz> yeh yeh
[04:21] <plugs> Unmet dependencies.
[04:21] <tomaz> and krita hog more ram than gimp
[04:21] <wastrel> i gave bad advice
[04:21] <dude> The void-engine claims it cannot play MP3 files.
[04:21] <dude> You may want to choose a different engine from the Configure Dialog, or examine the installation of the multimedia-framework that the current engine uses.
[04:22] <willreed03> hmm
[04:22] <Agent_bob> plugs you enable the rest of the repos and update your database
[04:22] <willreed03> it seems java only wants to work in certain web pages
[04:22] <dude> what seems to be the problem with that error
[04:22] <willreed03> any reason why
[04:22] <willreed03> ?
[04:22] <plugs> I have all the repos enabled and updated
[04:23] <dude> The void-engine claims it cannot play MP3 files. You may want to choose a different engine from the Configure Dialog, or examine the installation of the multimedia-framework that the current engine uses.
[04:23] <Agent_bob> !mp3 > dude
[04:23] <Jucato> void engine? shouldn't you be using Xine?
[04:23] <Agent_bob> plugs what package are you trying to install ?
[04:24] <dude> jucato: amarok
[04:24] <Jucato> dude: use the xine engine
[04:24] <plugs> mjpegtools
[04:24] <Agent_bob> !mjpegtools
[04:24] <ubotu> mjpegtools: MJPEG video capture/editting/playback MPEG encoding. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:1.8.0-0.0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 496 kB, installed size 1332 kB
[04:24] <dude> use xine engine in amarok?
[04:24] <tomaz> yes
[04:24] <Agent_bob> in multiverse
[04:24] <tomaz> do not use the gstreamer engine
[04:25] <Jucato> dude: yes. it should be using it by default, though. Settings > Configure Amarok > Engines > select xine Engine
[04:26] <dude> jucato: ok, tnx...
[04:26] <Agent_bob> plugs do  sudo apt-get install mjpegtools     and see if it errors out ?
[04:26] <plugs> Yeah.
[04:27] <plugs> i get Depends: like eight times
[04:27] <plugs> Broken packages
[04:27] <Agent_bob> pastebin your /etc/apt/sorces.list
[04:27] <Agent_bob> !paste
[04:27] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[04:27] <Jucato> !pastebin
[04:27] <Jucato> lol
[04:28] <Homer> !edgy
[04:28] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[04:28] <plugs> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27290/
[04:28] <Agent_bob> looking
[04:29] <Jucato> plugs: did you update (Fetch Updates in Adept) after you added the multiverse repository in sources.list?
[04:29] <Agent_bob> plugs you don't have multiverse
[04:29] <Jucato> Agent_bob: he has. scroll down
[04:30] <plugs> I'm using konsole, but i did apt-get update
[04:30] <wastrel> bye now
[04:30] <Agent_bob> oh yeah at the end...
[04:30] <GeekDoubleAgent> may i ask how you get knoppix loaded throught the live cd
[04:30] <Jucato> ??
[04:31] <Homer> #knoppix
[04:31] <Jucato> hm... Agent_bob do you thing the debian repo at the very end might conflict with ubuntu's repos?
[04:31] <plugs> I'll comment it out and try again
[04:32] <Agent_bob> ok plugs pastebin the full output of the errors
[04:32] <GeekDoubleAgent> i am new to the linux community i just switched from WindGAY XP
[04:32] <Homer> windgay xp?
[04:32] <Agent_bob> plugs first lets see the errors
[04:32] <Homer> that's a new one
[04:32] <plugs> okay
[04:32] <plugs> hahaha windgay
[04:32] <Homer> if you talking about kubuntu
[04:32] <Agent_bob> Jucato i was wondering if he has installed something from there that depends on something (version) not in his repos
[04:33] <Homer> you uh, click the "install" thingy icon on the desktop of the live cd
[04:33] <Jucato> yeah, I was wondering too
[04:33] <Homer> so edgy will have upstart
[04:33] <Homer> !upstart
[04:33] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[04:33] <plugs> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27291/
[04:33] <Agent_bob> Jucato if that's the case it will require adding more non-standard repos or down-grading the offending package.
[04:34] <GeekDoubleAgent> it was XPMCE which spands for xylophones perminently moved "into" crevases enjoyably
[04:34] <whyso> hi, could someone poitn me to a fast mirrior for dling kubuntu please im in a big hurry!
[04:34] <Agent_bob> yeah it's a version mismatch.
[04:34] <Agent_bob> that's what you get from adding forign repos to a system.
[04:34] <Admiral_Chicago> Flash 9 Beta is available for Linux
[04:34] <Jucato> !libasound2 dapper
[04:34] <ubotu> libasound2: ALSA library. In component main, is important. Version 1.0.10-2ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 303 kB, installed size 1104 kB
[04:34] <Admiral_Chicago> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[04:35] <Jucato> !flash
[04:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:35] <plugs> That's what i get shame on me
[04:35] <Jucato> !flash9
[04:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flash9 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:35] <Agent_bob> looks like an edgy package has been added.
[04:35] <Jucato> lol
[04:35] <rawrness> !flash9b
[04:35] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: the wiki's will probably need to be updated
[04:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flash9b - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:35] <Homer> they aren't kidding when they say beta btw
[04:35] <Jucato> Hawkwind: what's the command to display the info about Flash 9?
[04:35] <Admiral_Chicago> and the bots
[04:35] <Agent_bob> plugs what have you installed not using the normal package management system ?
[04:36] <Hawkwind> Jucato: flash 9
[04:36] <Hawkwind> LOL
[04:36] <Jucato> !flash 9
[04:36] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released.  You can get information and download it here: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[04:36] <Jucato> oh there
[04:36] <Jucato> :P
[04:36] <Agent_bob> !info libc6 edgy
[04:36] <ubotu> libc6: GNU C Library: Shared libraries. In component main, is required. Version 2.4-1ubuntu12 (edgy), package size 4032 kB, installed size 9988 kB
[04:37] <Homer> can you even run linux without libc
[04:37] <Jucato> !libasound2 edgy
[04:37] <ubotu> libasound2: ALSA library. In component main, is important. Version 1.0.11-7ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 316 kB, installed size 1120 kB
[04:37] <Agent_bob> hmmm no it's not an edgy package.
[04:37] <Jucato> Agent_bob: I'm gussing those packages are from the debian-multimedia repo he had
[04:38] <OOD> Hawkwind
[04:38] <Homer> someone needs to put a gnash package up too one of these days
[04:38] <OOD> funny how you said there'd be no flash 9 in a long while :P
[04:38] <Jucato> gnash? what's that? *snickers*
[04:38] <Homer> open source flash player
[04:38] <Jucato> OOD: lol... that's what I said too :P
[04:38] <Jucato> Homer: err.. you didn't get the *snickers* part? :)
[04:38] <Homer> lol
[04:38] <Hawkwind> Jucato: It's now flash9 or flash 9  either one
[04:39] <Agent_bob> Jucato yeah looks like he has installed something with a 'depends on' that ubuntu dapper wont be able to meet.
[04:39] <Homer> which I hope won't be derailed once flash 9 is out
[04:39] <Hawkwind> Homer: gnash is already packaged actually by someone here
[04:39] <Jucato> Hawkwind: by you? hehehe
[04:39] <Agent_bob> plugs ?
[04:39] <Jucato> or by Seveas?
[04:39] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Neither
[04:39] <Jucato> hm.. nvm
[04:39] <Jucato> :)
[04:39] <plugs> Hey.
[04:39] <plugs> Sorry.
[04:40] <plugs> I don't remember what i installed that needed extra repos
[04:40] <plugs> uhhh heh heh.
[04:40] <rawrness> asgjaashghohasvasv;hsdavdjlkas jsvkljasvlsjasdasfjiamborededasdfgjdsldkljgalgjawoawijbwbaw
[04:40] <Jucato> plugs: disable/comment that repo
[04:40] <Jucato> then update and try again
[04:40] <plugs> the debian one?
[04:40] <Jucato> plugs: yes
[04:40] <OOD> rawrness: o.0
[04:40] <Agent_bob> plugs what have you installed not using the normal package management system ?      well you can wait about a week and upgrade to edgy and that should fix it.
[04:40] <plugs> i'll try
[04:40] <Jucato> Agent_bob: it could be possible that the mere presence of that repo is causing the problem.
[04:41] <rawrness> theirs   something readable in their
[04:41] <yokobr> hi
[04:42] <Agent_bob> Jucato possable  but not likely... or i'll say this if that's it.  everyone should take note that adding the offending repo is a "system breaker"
[04:42] <yokobr> does anyone knows how i can create a HFS+ partition!!
[04:42] <plugs> It worked.
[04:42] <yokobr> ?!
[04:42] <Jucato> Agent_bob: it is possible
[04:42] <Agent_bob> plugs what did you comment out.
[04:42] <Agent_bob> ?
[04:42] <plugs> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ testing main
[04:42] <Jucato> Agent_bob: apt-get will always try to get the latest package. in this case, the debian repo had the latest, causing the dependency problem
[04:43] <Hawkwind> Homer: The gnash packages still aren't ready for the public, but the packager is hoping to have them ready in a few days or so
[04:43] <Agent_bob> !!! NOTICE !!!    this repo will break dapper.   <plugs> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ testing main
[04:43] <Jucato> heheh Hawkwind is a messenger :)
[04:43] <Hawkwind> If it will break Dapper, then please do *not* paste it here
[04:44] <Agent_bob> needs noted on the wiki.
[04:44] <Agent_bob> and i'm not going to register just to do that.
[04:45] <Hawkwind> Agent_bob: What wiki page ?
[04:45] <Agent_bob> the one with repos help
[04:45] <Jucato> Agent_bob: well, we can't really have a "list" of repos that will break. We just say that any non-official repo has a possibility of breaking stuff. Even Hawkwind's lol
[04:45] <ghost> how do i install the tar.gz file for flash 9 i just downloaded?
[04:46] <Agent_bob> but that one is known too
[04:46] <OOD> ghost: read the readme file
[04:46] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Hah yeah.  Mine could break at any time, and it has once or twice in the past.  But it was quickly fixed thankfully
[04:47] <ghost> it's just the one file, no readme came with it
[04:47] <Agent_bob> ghost tar -xf file.tgz
[04:48] <ghost> thanks
[04:48] <OOD> then there's a readme ;)
[04:48] <Agent_bob> cd file/ ;ls | grep -e [A-Z] 
[04:48] <Agent_bob> and read
[04:50] <Homer> Hawkwind: cool
[04:50] <Homer> it really is progressing rapidly, I think new cvs can do youtube
[04:51] <Homer> and they rebuilding it using cairo which opens up a ton of possibilites
[04:54] <Agent_bob> vini vidi jedi
[04:55] <Agent_bob> but don't quote me on that.  :)
[04:55] <Healot> veni veni venias?
[04:56] <Agent_bob> not around here, no.
[04:56] <Jucato> Veni, Vidi, Vici
[04:56] <Agent_bob> you konquwrors  are all alike.
[04:57] <Jucato> I came, I saw, I konquered :)
[04:58] <Agent_bob> or i went i observer i defeeted      depends on how you render it.
[04:59] <Agent_bob> s/*ver/*ved/
[04:59] <Jucato> hehe
[05:00] <Agent_bob> the r and the d are just do close togathed
[05:00] <Agent_bob> :)
[05:00] <Jucato> and so is the "a" and the "e"?
[05:01] <Agent_bob> oh no  that's my bad spelling i assure you.
[05:02] <Jucato> lol
[05:02] <Agent_bob> :)
[05:02] <Jucato> ok this is bad...
[05:02] <Jucato> I've been doing nothing except switch tabs/rooms for the past 3 hours...
[05:02] <ghost> ok, i read the readme now that i know tar files are archives instead of a linux type of executable, but when i try to move the .so file to the plugins dir, i don't have access
[05:02] <Jucato> signs of needing a life...
[05:02] <Agent_bob> prolly
[05:03] <genus5> is cpk2 around?
[05:03] <Agent_bob> ghost sudo
[05:03] <Agent_bob> !sudo
[05:03] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:03] <ShadowApex> I have a Dell Inspiron 2500 laptop with Kubuntu on it but it won't detect my ethernet port
[05:03] <ghost> so i gotta use the command line?
[05:04] <Agent_bob> ghost easiest way.     sudo cp flie.name /path/to/put/it/in/
[05:04] <ghost> k, thanks
[05:04] <Homer> you can do sudo konqueror I think
[05:04] <Jucato> no!
[05:04] <Jucato> kdesu please
[05:04] <Homer> or ksu or whatever
[05:04] <Homer> kdesu
[05:04] <Jucato> !kdesu
[05:04] <ubotu> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[05:04] <maryen> kdesu
[05:04] <Homer> hehe
[05:04] <Agent_bob> kdesu
[05:05] <maryen> kdesu
[05:05] <Homer> I always use sudo and nothing happen
[05:05] <Homer> :[
[05:05] <Agent_bob> yes you can kdesu konqueror    and do the pointy clicky thingy
[05:05] <maryen> it might break your system one day so dont do it
[05:05] <Jucato> sometime, something will happen :)
[05:05] <Agent_bob> vini vidi clicky
[05:05] <ghost> in konqueror?
[05:05] <maryen> kdesu is your friend
[05:06] <ghost> how do i use this mighty kdesu?
[05:06] <Jucato> ghost: yes. once you launch "kdesu konqueror" you're basically running Konqueror as root: so be *very* careful
[05:06] <ghost> ok, so open konsole and type kdesu konqueror?
[05:06] <Jucato> ghost: press Alt+F2 and enter "kdesu konqueror"
[05:06] <Agent_bob> ghost from the command line  :)    yes
[05:07] <Jucato> you could do that too
[05:07] <ghost> k
[05:07] <Agent_bob> vini vidi clicky
[05:07] <Agent_bob> :)
[05:07] <Jucato> *cough*veni*cough*
[05:07] <Homer> whats that cool term program you press f12 to get
[05:07] <Jucato> !yakuake
[05:07] <Homer> yeah
[05:07] <ShadowApex> I have a Dell Inspiron 2500 laptop with Kubuntu on it but it won't detect my ethernet port
[05:08] <ubotu> yakuake: Yet Another Kuake, KDE terminal emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.7.5-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 67 kB, installed size 488 kB
[05:08] <Homer> also ghost
[05:08] <Agent_bob> don't correct my pig-laten kid.   :)
[05:08] <Homer> type sudo apt-get install yakuake
[05:08] <Homer> it's awesome
[05:08] <Jucato> very
[05:08] <Agent_bob> ok i'll quit.
[05:08] <maryen> yakuake is an addiction for me now
[05:08] <ghost> ok, so it let me copy the file that time, now is there something i need to do to stop using konqueror as root?
[05:09] <Jucato> same here. I'm addicted to Katapult, Yakuake, and sometimes Kompose
[05:09] <maryen> kompose?
[05:09] <Jucato> !kompose
[05:09] <maryen> oh, that one that shows all the apps as little boxes
[05:09] <ubotu> kompose: full screen task manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.3-1.3 (dapper), package size 92 kB, installed size 432 kB
[05:09] <maryen> right?
[05:09] <Jucato> expose clone
[05:09] <Jucato> not as good as the original though. but quite fun/cute
[05:09] <Jucato> s/cute/qt
[05:10] <ghost> or do i cease operating konqueror as root once i close that window?
[05:10] <maryen> its not near as useable as katapult and yakuake
[05:10] <maryen> though
[05:10] <Jucato> ghost: yes
[05:10] <ghost> cool, thanks
[05:10] <Jucato> maryen: yeah, that's why I said "sometimes" :)
[05:10] <Jucato> *sometimes* I also use 3d desktop
[05:10] <whyso> hi, if i want to switch from ubuntu to kubuntu should i wait until edgy comes out, or should i just rinstall now?
[05:10] <Homer> !kbuntu
[05:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kbuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:10] <Homer> !kubuntu
[05:10] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment. For more info see http://kubuntu.org for support: #kubuntu ; to install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:11] <Homer> GNU Network Object Model Enviroment
[05:11] <Homer> err
[05:11] <Homer> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:11] <Homer> heh
[05:11] <whyso> i know what it is :)
[05:11] <whyso> just wondering how hard it would be to upgrade
[05:11] <maryen> not hard at all
[05:11] <whyso> (i want to reinstall eigher way)
[05:11] <maryen> plus you might want to install edgy rc1 tomorrow
[05:11] <Homer> oh if you do it's the same thing
[05:11] <Homer> yeah edgy is so close to cmming out
[05:12] <whyso> ah ok, so shouldnt be hard to go from regular kubuntu to edgy?
[05:12] <maryen> ??
[05:12] <Jucato> not really, unless you have lots of stuff installed from unofficial repos
[05:13] <maryen> if you install kubuntu edgy you'll have no troubles
[05:13] <whyso> thats me :\
[05:13] <whyso> (unofficial repos)
[05:13] <Healot> oh its october already, Jucato )
[05:13] <dude_> hello maryen
[05:13] <dude_> :)
[05:13] <Jucato> Healot: hehe :)
[05:13] <Jucato> 7 days more till the "planned" release
[05:14] <maryen> hi
[05:14] <Healot> what would be on the cover of the official CD?
[05:14] <Jucato> Healot: they won't be shipping Edgy through shipit
[05:14] <unix_infidel> hmm, i was actually going to order pressed CD's this time :(
[05:14] <Jucato> shipit will only ship Dapper
[05:15] <unix_infidel> until what time?
[05:15] <orient2000> Hi! I have a big problem. I downloaded some files for xserv and it was unsaccesfull. Now aftre reboot.
[05:15] <unix_infidel> or is that policy indefinate?>
[05:15] <Healot> LTS
[05:15] <Healot> i see
[05:15] <orient2000> After reboot can not connect to x server.
[05:15] <Jucato> indefinite. it might change for Feisty Fawn
[05:15] <maryen> zzzz sleepy
[05:15] <unix_infidel> Jucato: i guess they ran out of money :)
[05:16] <maryen> tomorrow santa (mark shuttleworth) comes with RC1 of edgy
[05:16] <Jucato> unix_infidel: if they did, they wouldn't be shipping Dapper at all, would they? :P
[05:16] <maryen> ill wake up and with anticipation enter 'sudo apt-get update'
[05:17] <unix_infidel> Jucato: they could always scale back the amount of cd's they release.
[05:17] <Jucato> maryen: you on Edgy Beta already?
[05:17] <unix_infidel> especially if they're limiting the variety, its cost control.
[05:17] <Jucato> unix_infidel: but then, Dapper is LTS
[05:17] <maryen> yes
[05:17] <unix_infidel> Jucato: and edgy isnt
[05:17] <unix_infidel> ?
[05:17] <Jucato> unix_infidel: of course not
[05:17] <Jucato> LTS = long term support.
[05:18] <maryen> its very stable for me, but I wanna see updates to the powernowd and other stuff
[05:18] <Jucato> 3 years support on the desktop, 5 on servers
[05:18] <maryen> im glad they fixed network manager btw
[05:18] <Jucato> stable != LTS
[05:19] <unix_infidel> *shrug* i'd be running breezy right now if i had the choice.
[05:19] <kalbs> can i connect kubuntu to the active directory of windows server 2003
[05:19] <unix_infidel> kalbs: yes.
[05:19] <poningru> kalbs: yes
[05:19] <poningru> ok duckdown
[05:19] <poningru> err dude
[05:20] <unix_infidel> dude: no special hacks required iirc.  AD is really simple.
[05:20] <unix_infidel> might wanna give FDS a try if you're into testing for production.
[05:20] <Jucato> oh it's dude again :)
[05:20] <dude> unix: what do you mean?
[05:20] <dude> jucato: :)
[05:20] <duckdown> !#@!#@
[05:20] <unix_infidel> dude: i mean if you have control over authentication schema's then you might wanna try FDS
[05:20] <unix_infidel> schemas*
[05:20] <dude> FDS?
[05:21] <dude> sorry
[05:21] <unix_infidel> fedora directory server.  good times.
[05:21] <dude> i wanna install kubuntu in the office
[05:22] <unix_infidel> dude: ahh, yea you'll have no problems.
[05:22] <dude> but our server is a windows server 2003
[05:22] <unix_infidel> dude: if you just have to authenticate to AD, you'll have no problems.
[05:22] <unix_infidel> heck, even if you CANT auth to AD, i'm sure you can hack it within a few minutes :)
[05:23] <dude> can windows server recognize kubuntu as a workstation?
[05:24] <unix_infidel> dude: dude, you're being redundant now.
[05:24] <dude> unix: :) sorry just making sure
[05:24] <unix_infidel> back*
[05:25] <Jucato> sits bag... lol
[05:25] <letalis> dude: as far as i know only samba will allow a unix system to connect and browse folders on a windows network, but anything beyond that i dont think it can
[05:26] <unix_infidel> letalis: umm, he's not talking about resource usage per se.
[05:26] <unix_infidel> he's talking about, can i communicate / authenticate with a network that my office controls.
[05:27] <orient2000> how can I remove x server from my kubuntu in konsole. I can not start up my kubuntu session.
[05:28] <poningru> dude: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-91510.html
[05:29] <Jucato> orient2000: removing x server would mean you won't be able to get into KDE at all
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> orient2000:  i think you need to clarify that question.
[05:30] <orient2000> ok system is starting up and the I am in a text mode tty1 login, password and whatether I try it sais cannot conect to x server
[05:30] <Jucato> orient2000: what did you download/do before this started happening?
[05:30] <letalis> orient2000: sounds like x server misconfiguration
[05:32] <orient2000> I started downloading difrent files x11 and some server was down and kicked me of at 7% and then I boot my system.
[05:32] <DaveyJ> whenver i open up my homefolder it says "stalled" on the bottom and looks like its continually loading
[05:32] <letalis> orient2000: were you installing things using apt-get or the like?
[05:33] <ubuntu> ok, so
[05:33] <campbch> ok so
[05:33] <orient2000> no adept
[05:33] <campbch> my kubuntu isn't starting
[05:33] <campbch> :o
[05:33] <letalis> yeah thats a frontend for apt-get
[05:34] <letalis> so it downloaded the files you upgraded and then died as it was installing them?
[05:34] <orient2000> I had some errors with frontend before but had no I dea what to do
[05:34] <campbch> im on live cd, for some reason it goes all the way to the end of the blue bar, then just the logo and empty bar... pressing power starts all of the halt procedure
[05:34] <campbch> anyone know what is stopping kubuntu from loading?
[05:35] <letalis> orient2000: what was the last thing you installed before you noticed the errors?
[05:35] <Jucato> orient2000: try "sudo dpkg --configure -a" to see if you could continue downloading
[05:35] <orient2000> yes it just backed off no installation or I did notice
[05:36] <orient2000> I tried nothing
[05:36] <Jucato> hm...
[05:36] <Jucato> orient2000: can you try "startx"? if it throws you back to the command prompt, can you give us some hint on the error messages?
[05:36] <campbch> should i just reformat? i hadn't done much anyways
[05:37] <campbch> i cant remember how to switch my screen resolutions, and it might be just a simple thing that's stopping the os from loading
[05:37] <orient2000> the message will be something about frontend and no connection to x server
[05:38] <campbch> guys?
[05:39] <orient2000> could I remove x server and reinstall it? how can I do it?
[05:39] <campbch> >.<
[05:39] <Jucato> hm.. I'm lost..
[05:39] <NightBird> campbch, if you want...
[05:39] <campbch> want to what?
[05:39] <NightBird> I dunno
[05:39] <campbch> ?
[05:39] <campbch> ok
[05:40] <Jucato> orient2000: hm.. try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to reconfigure you're xserver. try to choose the correct driver, resolution, etc.
[05:40] <campbch> dont like to spam or anything, but... my kubuntu isn't starting. im on live cd, for some reason it goes all the way to the end of the blue bar, then just the logo and empty bar... pressing power starts all of the halt procedure
[05:41] <letalis> campbch: is the disc youre using one youve just burned?
[05:41] <campbch> it freezes and refuses to get past the kubuntu logo screen at boot
[05:41] <campbch> no
[05:41] <campbch> my HD kubuntu is not working
[05:41] <campbch> i am on a functioning live cd right now
[05:41] <letalis> so youve used it before with no problems on the computer in question
[05:41] <letalis> ok
[05:41] <Jucato> campbch: my guess is that it has something to do with the video driver
[05:41] <letalis> thought you meant the live cd was dying
[05:42] <campbch> up until about an hour ago, when i went to restart the laptop to test internet connection
[05:42] <campbch> it just ddnt start back up
[05:42] <campbch> it's the strangest thing
[05:42] <orient2000> OK I will try. I am in sh windows so I will have to reboot twice see you.
[05:42] <campbch> how do i stop it? the driver is the exact one im on right now
[05:43] <campbch> because it's the default driver with the system
[05:43] <letalis> campbch: you mean the usplash screen halts
[05:43] <Jucato> campbch: so the problem is on an installed system? not on the live cd?
[05:43] <letalis> when linux is going through the init process
[05:43] <campbch> on the installed system
[05:43] <campbch> correct
[05:43] <letalis> yeah that cant be a video driver
[05:44] <letalis> unless you have funky framebuffer settings that shouldnt be the problem
[05:44] <campbch> it gets through the init process, and normally it would go to a text-only part just before loading kde
[05:44] <letalis> ok
[05:44] <letalis> thats an xserver problem
[05:44] <campbch> but it just stops at the end of the init, with the kubuntu logo in blue with the bar
[05:44] <letalis> you could try entering single user mode
[05:44] <letalis> and reconfiguring the xserver
[05:44] <Jucato> actually, you can still access your pc, pressing Ctrl+Alt+F1 there will log you into a console mode
[05:44] <DaveyJ> whenever i open up my home folder it says "stalled" on the bottom and looks like its continually loading, then eventually stops and its blank
[05:45] <campbch> boot process looks like BIOS-GRUB-kubuntu logo up-bar fills-<text>-<kde load> the last two are not happening
[05:45] <campbch> my god...
[05:46] <campbch> it took me hourrrsss just to configure my screen resolution last time, but i dont have the expertise to fix settings like that
[05:46] <letalis> you havent updated anything since the system rebooted?
[05:46] <campbch> i'll have to reinstall
[05:46] <campbch> no
[05:46] <campbch> i think if anything
[05:46] <campbch> i was getting kdevelop to run
[05:46] <campbch> but i needed packages like autoconf. and stuff
[05:46] <Jucato> that shouldn't affect your xserver though
[05:47] <letalis> yeah i agree
[05:47] <campbch> when my internet dropped, and i fiddled with the settings and wanted to restart the system to see if it helped
[05:47] <letalis> those things have nothing to do with the x server funtionality.
[05:47] <campbch> and it didnt come back up
[05:47] <letalis> what settings did you play with?
[05:48] <campbch> i deleted my dns so that it would redetect them
[05:48] <campbch> the detected servers
[05:48] <lorddark> hola alguien habla espaol
[05:48] <campbch> and the profile for my internet, so it would redetect it
[05:48] <unix_infidel> !es > lorddark
[05:48] <campbch> hay canal en los foro para hispanohablantes, lord
[05:48] <Jucato> campbch: hm... that might be the problem then
[05:48] <letalis> you deleted the files or just the contents of them?
[05:48] <campbch> how?
[05:49] <lorddark> gracias
[05:49] <campbch> its not possible, ive done it before
[05:49] <joker_bobo> hey guys....
[05:50] <campbch> in system settings, network settings there is a dns box for detected dns servers, and a profiles box... when you connect to a network it gives you dns servers, they arent there to begin with
[05:50] <joker_bobo> can i install mac os x x86 on ext2 or 3?
[05:50] <campbch> i deleted all of the settings because this is what is necessary on my particular wifi, at our university
[05:50] <willis_> joker_bobo:  i would be amazed if that was possible.
[05:50] <unix_infidel> joker_bobo: better not to.
[05:50] <campbch> theyre working out some bugs
[05:50] <campbch> but anyways
[05:51] <campbch> im just going to reinstall, since the only thing i was really able to do was fix te resolutions
[05:51] <letalis> ok so you deleted the contents of the files.
[05:51] <campbch> and since i kinda know how to do that now
[05:51] <campbch> no
[05:51] <campbch> i deleted the settings via the frontend
[05:51] <campbch> the settings that were not there to begin with
[05:51] <campbch> and the settings that are autodetected by the wireless assistant
[05:51] <letalis> thats the same as erasing them from the actual files in /etc
[05:51] <campbch> or by the server and relayed
[05:52] <campbch> no, because there may be info in the file pertaining to other things that i may have damaged
[05:52] <letalis> what i was going to say is if the init scripts cant find files funky things can happen
[05:52] <campbch> which is not possible if i do it through a frontend
[05:52] <campbch> *sigh*
[05:52] <campbch> then something bugged up and did damage somewhere
[05:52] <campbch> becuse a) ive done it before, on this install
[05:53] <campbch> and b) it's not making any sense, not being able to load the entire operating system
[05:53] <letalis> im not trying to be an ass about it im simply stating theres a difference between deleting the files and removing whats in them
[05:53] <campbch> im not saying you're an ass about it :D
[05:53] <letalis> :)
[05:53] <campbch> but i knew what you meant
[05:54] <campbch> anyways, what should i do?
[05:54] <letalis> i sympathise nothing is worse than borking a well setup linux system
[05:54] <campbch> it wasnt all that well setup
[05:54] <campbch> i was still working on getting kdevelop, which is the second thing i was able to do :(
[05:54] <unix_infidel> or else he would've created backsups.
[05:54] <unix_infidel> backups*
[05:54] <campbch> not counting buildessentials
[05:54] <letalis> id try to get it running in single user mode
[05:54] <joker_bobo> im trying to install a mac os x_x86 ....but it cant find my mouse or sata hd devices........ =/
[05:55] <campbch> nah, i havent the time ill just reinstall, start from scratch
[05:55] <campbch> :(
[05:55] <campbch> owell
[05:55] <campbch> thanks guys
[05:55] <letalis> sure
[05:59] <omar> hello do you know a xgl chat?
[06:02] <CVirus> !xgl
[06:02] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[06:02] <CVirus> omar: ^
[06:02] <omar> thanks
[06:03] <battousaix19> does anybody know if the develiopment is on time??
[06:03] <lorddark> alguien sabe cual es el irc de suse en espaol
[06:03] <battousaix19> eg expect a release candidate out within the next day or 2??
[06:04] <Jucato> battousaix19: yes
[06:04] <Jucato> RC1 is currently being tested for release
[06:04] <battousaix19> is the RC availible on mirrors yet?
[06:04] <battousaix19> or can it be expected VERY soon?
[06:05] <plugs> i'm trying to mount my hard drive. i get this:
[06:05] <plugs> mount: mount point /media/hdb1 does not exist
[06:06] <battousaix19> do a mkdir /media/hdb1 or w/e u wanna call it
[06:06] <battousaix19> like /mount/windows;) for friendlyness
[06:07] <plugs> now i get Could not enter folder /media/hdb1
[06:07] <battousaix19> did it mount??
[06:07] <plugs> looks like it
[06:08] <battousaix19> ok, if u want, u could do a kdesu konqueror and get a root filemanager running
[06:08] <battousaix19> and try browsing to it from root
[06:08] <battousaix19> or swith to root
[06:08] <battousaix19> *switch
[06:09] <plugs> The KDE mediamanager is not running.
[06:09] <plugs> that's odd
[06:11] <plugs> Okay, i got it.
[06:12] <plugs> Can i copy files from ntfs to ext3?
[06:13] <h4ck3r> wenas algun
[06:13] <Splittor> plugs, yes
[06:13] <h4ck3r> que hable espa;osl
[06:13] <Jucato> yes
[06:13] <Jucato> !es
[06:13] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:16] <battousaix19> *testing
[06:16] <Jucato> ?
[06:16] <sistemas> hola
[06:16] <sistemas> muchachos
[06:16] <Jucato> !es
[06:16] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:17] <sistemas> soy nuevo en kubuntu
[06:17] <sistemas> tengo un problema con krusader
[06:17] <Jucato> !es
[06:17] <h4ck3r> mi me da error el repositorio
[06:17] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:17] <Jucato> sistemas h4ck3r ^^^^
[06:17] <pacman_> !es
[06:18] <sistemas> trato de subir un tema a mi hosting y me dice q tengo muchas conecciones abiertas
[06:18] <Jucato> ???
[06:18] <uranos> tego drama con los repositoris
[06:19] <Jucato> grr...
[06:19] <Jucato> !es > uranos
[06:19] <Jucato> !es > sistemas
[06:20] <fdoving> have fun jucato :)
[06:20] <Jucato> fdoving: nooooh!
[06:20] <Jucato> :(
[06:20] <Healot> ay ay
[06:20] <Healot> no LTS for Edgy?
[06:20] <Jucato> Healot: err... wouldn't make sense
[06:21] <Healot> 18 months only ay ay ay
[06:21] <Jucato> yes
[06:21] <tomaz> hy darlings.
[06:21] <tomaz> little trouble here, i just upgraded from dapper to edgy beta (fresh install)
[06:21] <Healot> why mi amor, Jucato :)
[06:22] <tomaz> how i'm supposed to install libxine-extracodecs if there isn't this package?
[06:22] <Jucato> why would you want to support 2 releases for 3-5 years? specially since they will overlap
[06:22] <Hawkwind> tomaz: Enable all of your repos and there will be
[06:22] <Jucato> tomaz: you need to enable "multiverse"
[06:22] <Hawkwind> !info libxine-extracodecs
[06:22] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[06:22] <Jucato> !multiverse
[06:22] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:22] <tomaz> all my repos are enabled.
[06:22] <Jucato> tomaz: ^^^^^
[06:22] <Jucato> tomaz: let me correct that, you need to add multiverse
[06:22] <Hawkwind> tomaz: Obviously not or you'd be able to install the package :)
[06:23] <tomaz>  deb http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse deb-src http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[06:23] <tomaz> both enabled
[06:23] <tomaz> no libxine-extracodecs
[06:24] <Hawkwind> Did you do an apt-get update first ?
[06:24] <Hawkwind> tomaz: Try changing it from br.archive to just archive.ubuntu.com and update again
[06:24] <tomaz> sure.
[06:24] <Jucato> tomaz: not that
[06:24] <Hawkwind> Ummm, that's Edgy ?
[06:24] <tomaz> yup
[06:24] <Jucato> Hawkwind: and -backports
[06:24] <Hawkwind> tomaz: Those aren't the right lines actually
[06:24] <Hawkwind> tomaz: That's backport stuff anyways
[06:24] <tomaz> what?
[06:25] <Hawkwind> tomaz: Also, #Ubuntu+1 is the Edgy channel
[06:25] <tomaz> it's a fresh install
[06:25] <tomaz> humn...
[06:25] <Hawkwind> tomaz: That's edgy-backports stuff you pasted
[06:25] <tomaz> did't know.
[06:25] <Hawkwind> You want the regular repos
[06:25] <tomaz> but, how can it be the backports if it's a fresh install? i formated the / partition before installing
[06:25] <Jucato> tomaz: add "multiverse" to "deb http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe"
[06:29] <tomaz> tanks
[06:30] <Healot> viva do brasil?
[06:30] <Jucato_is_sleepy> ??
[06:30] <Jucato_is_sleepy> !br
[06:30] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[06:30] <Jucato_is_sleepy> lol
[06:31] <tomaz> what he say has no meaning
[06:31] <tomaz> he said 'great about brazil?'
[06:32] <Jucato> how should I know? I don't speak that :P
[06:32] <tomaz> =P
[06:32] <tomaz> i do, and i dont think he's brazilian or portuguese
[06:33] <tomaz> maybe some guy that 's trying to impress talking in a strange language
[06:35] <Healot> that's came out of boredom
[06:36] <Jucato> Mabuhay ang Kubuntu!
[06:36] <Jucato> (long live Kubuntu)
[06:36] <orient2000> what program will do backup files for me from console?
[06:36] <Healot> tar ?
[06:36] <jpiccolo> should it be decently easy to get the old command and conquer games to work in linux? i just bought them
[06:37] <Hawkwind> rsync, tar, and many others
[06:37] <jpiccolo> using wine that is
[06:37] <Hawkwind> jpiccolo: Might ask the guys in #WineHQ or #Cedega as they could tell you
[06:37] <Jucato> is IRC case sensitive?
[06:38] <Healot> !BR
[06:38] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[06:38] <Healot> the bot commands are not
[06:38] <Jucato> how about channels? #winehq vs. #WineHQ ?
[06:39] <Hawkwind> Jucato: No
[06:39] <orient2000> what device neme would be for dvd in backup?
[06:39] <Hawkwind> Jucato: All the same
[06:39] <Jucato> ah ok
[06:39] <Hawkwind> orient2000: /dev/hdc possibly.  Depends on how your system is hooked up
[06:39] <Healot> the symlink is /dev/dvd imho
[06:40] <Hawkwind> Could be, not always
[06:40] <Healot> yup
[06:40] <Hawkwind> Neither of mine are /dev/dvd :P
[06:41] <Healot> mine is, xine did it fur me
[06:44] <orient2000> I have a problem with ati driver. xserver does not start. how can I get back to default driver from a text mode?
[06:44] <Jucato> orient2000: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:44] <Jucato> if all else fails, choose "vesa" as your driver
[06:45] <orient2000> it sais dpkg: conflicting action --control and --remove
[06:46] <Jucato> hm...
[06:46] <Healot> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg >> after you enter this?
[06:48] <orient2000> results from startx: culd not open default cursor font 'cursor' * (RADEON.....) etc. I installed ATI by easykubuntu before that.
[06:48] <Jobberwacky> linux nvidia driver has security hole http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-6126846.html
[06:48] <Healot> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg; do this first then
[06:50] <Hawkwind> Jobberwacky: The beta fixes it though if you read the whole article :)
[06:50] <Jobberwacky> "contends"
[06:50] <battousaix19> yup, nvidia beta is better anyway
[06:50] <battousaix19> aiglx fun then too:)
[06:50] <dude_> jucato: can i use amarok for radio streaming
[06:50] <tombiggy> hi all
[06:51] <Jucato> dude_: hm.. only for japan-a-radio before
[06:51] <orient2000> sudo dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg gives me dpkg: conflicting action --control and --remove
[06:51] <Healot> udo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:51] <Hawkwind> orient2000: That's the wrong command
[06:51] <Healot> one app
[06:51] <dude_> tnx
[06:51] <Jobberwacky> the beta contends to fix it, there's nothing certain
[06:52] <Hawkwind> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  <~~~Just like that
[06:52] <battousaix19> if u have nano or sum other trminal editor installed, change the xong.conf line yourself
[06:52] <Hawkwind> Jobberwacky: It fixes it.  I've been running the beta since it was released
[06:52] <Jucato> Hawkwind: is the beta driver included in Edgy? (although I'm presuming it's not?)
[06:52] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I don't recall to be honest
[06:52] <Jucato> Hawkwind: then go to sleep :P
[06:52] <Jobberwacky> you tested it?
[06:52] <orient2000> OK got it.
[06:52] <battousaix19> yup, im runnin beta rigt now on bsd;), and was earlier today
[06:53] <battousaix19> in kubuntu taht is
[06:53] <Hawkwind> Jobberwacky: Yes.  It's been fixed
[06:53] <Jobberwacky> where did you read that?
[06:53] <Hawkwind> Read what ?
[06:53] <Hawkwind> It was in an article posted a few days ago.  That exploit has been around for a very long time actually
[06:54] <Hawkwind> They've known about it for 2 - 3 years now
[06:54] <Jobberwacky> which article?
[06:54] <battousaix19> yup, years
[06:54] <Hawkwind> I don't remember now.  I read too many things on the internet
[06:54] <Jobberwacky> heh ic
[06:54] <Jucato> I'm sure Google will yield something useful
[06:54] <battousaix19> lol, google it, youll get an answer there;)
[06:55] <Jucato> Hawkwind: is it "yield" or "yeild"? :P
[06:55] <Jobberwacky> I already did, there's nothing definite, no kind of proof
[06:55] <Hawkwind> "There have been multiple public reports of this Nvidia bug on the NVNews forum and elsewhere, dating back to 2004,
[06:55] <battousaix19> y are u compaining about it anyway??
[06:56] <Hawkwind> Nvidia, however, contends it fixed the bug over the summer
[06:56] <Jobberwacky> who's compaining?
[06:56] <Hawkwind> That's pulled from that ZDnet article
[06:56] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I'm going to bed, leave me alone :P
[06:56] <Jobberwacky> Yeah, contends
[06:56] <Jobberwacky> there's no independent analysis to confirm that claim
[06:56] <Hawkwind> Jobberwacky: I can verify it has been fixed, atleast the flaw isn't able to be done here on this box
[06:56] <Jucato> Hawkwind: sure thing. I'll laeve you alone... or is that leave? :P
[06:57] <Jobberwacky> that's what they said before
[06:57] <Jobberwacky> that's the bad thing about nvidia refusing to release the specs and keeping the driver closed
[06:58] <Hawkwind> You could always use the ever so great ATI then :P
[06:58] <Jobberwacky> ATI makes no linux driver
[06:58] <battousaix19> lol, your complaining just cuz your an ati jealot??
[06:58] <Jobberwacky> what are these words
[06:59] <battousaix19> and ati has NO support in freebsd either
[06:59] <Jobberwacky> compaining, jealot
[06:59] <battousaix19> so i go with nvidia until ati gets more freindly
[06:59] <Jobberwacky> so do I, but we'd be better off if they let open source make a driver
[06:59] <BonBonTheJon> but what do you do if you are stuck with ati, as in my laptop
[06:59] <Hawkwind> Jobberwacky: Since when do they not make a linux driver ?
[06:59] <Jucato> BonBonTheJon: use the free/open source drivers?
[07:00] <Jobberwacky> Hawkwind, since never
[07:00] <Hawkwind> My laptop uses ATI
[07:00] <Jobberwacky> is it a new card?
[07:00] <battousaix19> i wouldnt be picky about getting good 3d accel then
[07:00] <Hawkwind> Jobberwacky: Better check again.  They make several versions for Linux against XFree86 and Xorg
[07:00] <Jobberwacky> I tried the ati driver recently, I wouldn't call that a driver
[07:00] <Jobberwacky> I woud call it "crap"
[07:00] <Hawkwind> I've never had any bad luck with ATI in my laptop.  But I use Nvidia everywhere else
[07:00] <battousaix19> nor would i run bsd, 3d accel is almost needed these days
[07:00] <BonBonTheJon> no, my card is ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M
[07:01] <BonBonTheJon> can i even use the binary drivers on that
[07:01] <Jobberwacky> ati just throws out some sloppy piece of work and calls it a driver
[07:01] <Hawkwind> That'll change now though since AMD bought them
[07:01] <battousaix19> even though i actually LIKE ati better, nvidia isstill the way to go for linux or bsd
[07:01] <Hawkwind> They plan on open sourcing their drivers
[07:02] <Jucato> someone who should be sleepig is caught up in a conversation :)
[07:02] <Jobberwacky> 2 years later, we get a working beta
[07:02] <battousaix19> lol, yea
[07:03] <BonBonTheJon> does anyone here use the ati binary drivers
[07:03] <battousaix19> at least nvidia is trying to have their composite extension enabled and useful:D
[07:03] <BonBonTheJon> Hawkwind: what kind of laptop do you have
[07:03] <Hawkwind> Dell C610
[07:04] <Jobberwacky> but why not release the source or at least the specs of the hardware, what are they afraid of?
[07:04] <BonBonTheJon> Hawkwind: what graphics card is in that
[07:05] <battousaix19> i dunno, nor care, just happy aiglx is usable;), lol
[07:05] <battousaix19> closed source is closed source, intil THEY say otherwise
[07:05] <T3hWiz0rd> Jobberwacky: each competitor getting ahold of source code. Companys like ATi and Nvidia try really hard to make sure one doesn't steal the others technology. If drivers/hardware specs became open source you'd see a lot of duplicate hardware coming from the two companies.
[07:05] <battousaix19> im not gonna badged them, lol
[07:05] <T3hWiz0rd> Jobberwacky: for that reason, ati and nvidia will *not* be open source, likely EVER
[07:05] <Jobberwacky> battousaix19, then "THEY" suck
[07:06] <verbose> how do i mount a drive at a mount point read/write by all users? it's ext3
[07:06] <verbose> so far i've put in fstab the users option,rw, and chowned the mountpoint to my user and the user group
[07:06] <Jobberwacky> T3hWiz0rd, they don't need to release the hardware tech, only the specs to communicate with the hardware, that's all you need for a driver
[07:06] <T3hWiz0rd> philosophically open source would not work good in terms of nvidia and ATi, it is futile to think its a good idea without first wanting to destroy both companies.
[07:06] <verbose> but i still can't write to it
[07:07] <T3hWiz0rd> there is really nothing wrong with linux Nvidia drivers, desptie the fact that they are continually behind the windows drivers. ATi feels littlen eed to support the communities driver needs so they rarely make it more simple. Just how it goes, I guess.
[07:08] <Jobberwacky> the only thing wrong with them are security issues like what I mentioned
[07:09] <T3hWiz0rd> Jobberwacky: well sadly until linux becomes more predominate, there will be little urgency from companies who market for profit.
[07:09] <T3hWiz0rd> Jobberwacky: companies usually exist for one reason and one alone: To make profit.
[07:09] <T3hWiz0rd> linux is not a profitable industry yet, sadly.
[07:11] <Jobberwacky> oh well, I can still say nvidia sucks
[07:15] <Healot> bleh
[07:15] <Healot> Nvidia will change its name to NvIntel :)
[07:16] <Jobberwacky> that's too bad
[07:17] <[Relic] > what file holds the grub info for booting?
[07:17] <T3hWiz0rd> Healot: was that a joke?
[07:18] <BonBonTheJon> [Relic] : /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:19] <Healot> yup
[07:19] <Healot> but the takeover is real :0
[07:19] <T3hWiz0rd> Healot: okay cos if they really did that i would of puked, ate my puke, and puked it up again.
[07:20] <[Relic] > so if I switched from scsi to ide/ata I just need to switch all the sd# entries to hd## enteries?
[07:20] <Healot> ATMD :)
[07:20] <Healot> [Relic] : depends on how fdisk sees them?
[07:22] <[Relic] > guess I can reboot and see if it is corect but the disk were set up similar so all I should need is the sda2 to hdc2 converts, I'll know soon enough  :)
[07:22] <[Relic] > thanks  :)
[07:28] <Zaire> next step is the AMD Radeon I hear lol
[07:29] <[Relic] > yep I am back in business  :)
[07:29] <Jobberwacky> if only a 3rd competitor in the video card market would rise up, one which doesn't suck
[07:29] <BonBonTheJon> s3 is the way to go
[07:29] <[Relic] > nice to see only 19% drive used instead of 69% too  :)
[07:29] <Zaire> radeon is on top at the moment
[07:29] <BonBonTheJon> lol
[07:30] <BonBonTheJon> night all
[07:30] <Jobberwacky> s3? I said which "doesn't" suck
[07:30] <Jobberwacky> but of course, that's not going to happen :((
[07:31] <Zaire> wtf is an s3 lol
[07:31] <unix_infidel> Zaire: video card.
[07:31] <[Relic] > I had one of those  :)  many moons ago
[07:31] <[Relic] > think it was 8M
[07:31] <Zaire> LOL
[07:32] <Zaire> anyone know the command to give a user access to a specific database in mysql?
[07:32] <[Relic] > had a diamon stealth s540 once too. talk about annoying card
[07:32] <unix_infidel> Zaire: ask in #mysql
[07:33] <Zaire> I have and not gotten anything useful as of yet
[07:33] <unix_infidel> and i remember that being in the mysql docs too, its pretty straightforward, i dont know the exact details though.
[07:33] <unix_infidel> been a while since i did DB anything.
[07:33] <Zaire> ummm Ive seen the help on what Im asking and I didn't understand it
[07:33] <unix_infidel> Zaire: then maybe you should use MS Access or sql server 2005
[07:33] <Zaire> not bloody likely
[07:34] <unix_infidel> or learn a bit more about what you're getting into before you get started :)
[07:34] <Zaire> this is how I learn...on the go
[07:34] <unix_infidel> sql isnt easy, imho :)
[07:34] <unix_infidel> Zaire: i'm the same way.
[07:34] <[Relic] > now I have an empty case  :(  removing the old scsi server drive which was a 5.25 full sized drive makes it seem really empty  :)
[07:34] <Zaire> worst vid card I had was an ATI Rage Pro 2 32 Mb
[07:35] <[Relic] > you haven't had enough computers then
[07:35] <uranos> espa;ol
[07:36] <Zaire> the worst computer Ive had was a commodore vic 20
[07:36] <Jobberwacky> my first computer had an s3 card, it was not 3d
[07:36] <Zaire> the worst computer Ive had was a ("commodore vic 20")
[07:36] <[Relic] > I had a texas instruments computer with a 16k expansion pack  :)
[07:36] <Zaire> note the quote lol
[07:37] <uranos> cuales son los canales en espa;lo
[07:37] <Zaire> I could deff use a translator for the mysql help doc cause its beyond me
[07:38] <Zaire> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/grant.html
[07:38] <unix_infidel> Zaire: upgrade to 5.1 first of all :)
[07:39] <Zaire> ....I used apt to grab this one
[07:39] <wastrel> kpilot
[07:39] <unix_infidel> Zaire: that doc is similar to a man page, you need to read a how to specific to your requirement.
[07:39] <Zaire> thats where I go cross eyed :S
[07:40] <unix_infidel> sql docs are VERY good up until the point of advanced stuff.
[07:40] <Zaire> all I need is to give a single account permissions to a DB file
[07:41] <unix_infidel> like 4th normals and concurrency control on VOIP systems...now that's some crazy nonsense.
[07:41] <unix_infidel> Zaire: google those terms, there are lots of how-to's to basic sql stuff.
[07:43] <Zaire> according to my apt mysql is the newest version
[07:43] <unix_infidel> Zaire: that's the newest version on $release repos.
[07:43] <unix_infidel> 5.1 is the latest stable.
[07:44] <unix_infidel> hmm, nevermind me, apparrantly 5.0 is latest stable.
[07:45] <unix_infidel> 5.1 is still in beta. *shrug* i use pg anyway.
[07:45] <Splittor> 5.1 might as well be stable
[07:46] <Zaire> well Im not messing with my DB as I already have a forum running off of it
[07:46] <unix_infidel> actually been meaning to try sql server 2005.
[07:46] <Zaire> server wise I wouldn't go near windows so anything with the label MS in it is tossed
[07:47] <unix_infidel> Zaire: good for you, sequel 2005 is pretty much industry standard.
[07:47] <Zaire> I mean I have a nobody server and it gets hack attempts on it randomly
[07:48] <unix_infidel> Zaire: so dont run IIS.
[07:48] <Zaire> I wouldn't and even not windows has so many sec holes in it its not even funny :S
[07:52] <dude_> !wine
[07:52] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[07:54] <cpk2> is there a way to add a user profile in kopete like in gaim?
[07:55] <Zaire> hey cpk2 what was the command for giving a user privs to a db?
[07:55] <Zaire> I seriously need to write it down this time
[07:56] <cpk2> to add a user to a db?
[07:56] <Zaire> no give a user access to a db file
[07:57] <cpk2> you should really just get phpmyadmin
[07:57] <Zaire> I did butit wont let me login as root to create DB's and my norm account is unable to due to low level access
[07:58] <cpk2> just create another root user
[07:58] <Zaire> umm how do you do that again lol
[07:58] <Zaire> I can be forgetful :S
[07:58] <cpk2> GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO 'yourusername'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'yourpassword' WITH GRANT OPTION;
[07:59] <cpk2> this will make a new user that can use database1
[07:59] <cpk2> GRANT SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE, DELETE, CREATE, DROP, INDEX, ALTER, CREATE TEMPORARY TABLES, LOCK TABLES ON database1.* TO 'yourusername'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'yourpassword';
[07:59] <wastrel> ok mr caps lock
[08:00] <cpk2> you have to use caps in the command
[08:00] <Zaire> cool thanks much appreciated
[08:00] <wastrel> sql commands aren't case sensitive iirc
[08:00] <wastrel> it's just a convention i believe
[08:00] <wastrel> but i was just joking :] 
[08:01] <Zaire> I swear getting an answer from ppl in the #mysql help channel is like pulling teeth
[08:02] <wastrel> it's late
[08:02] <Zaire> trust me its like that during the day
[08:03] <Zaire> but same thing as the phpbb help channel....you get faster results on the forum
[08:07] <Zaire> there is an error in you sql syntax :S
[08:08] <dude_> anyone whos using wine?
[08:17] <Zaire> damnit its not working
[08:19] <Zaire> is there a way to creat a user joined with the grant command?
[08:25] <kraut> moin
[08:26] <dino_> moin
[08:37] <Zaire> there I just decided to try something and cleared everything out of the db file I did have access to and deleted phpbb3 to install 2
[08:40] <harmental> hi everybody...is there a standard folder to store jar files that are to be use as a regular piece of software?
[08:45] <bimberi> harmental: I'd put it somewhere under /usr/local/lib.  Othere may differ.
[08:45] <bimberi> *Others
[08:47] <Zaire> dude I love these phpbb themes :D
[08:47] <wastrel> i like stuff
[08:50] <harmental> thanks bimberi
[08:51] <harmental> so there is actually n "standard" folder such as the one for bin files for instance?
[08:53] <bimberi> harmental: yes, /usr/local is for your own "stuff" :)
[08:53] <bimberi> !dirs
[08:53] <ubotu> The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[08:54] <harmental> bimberi: ok thanks!
[08:55] <bimberi> harmental: er, "stuff" that's to be made available system wide that is.  /home/user is for your very own "stuff" of course
[08:55] <draik> is there a *.deb for the KDE update for 3.5.5?
[08:55] <draik> I can't seem to upgrade my laptop's KDE. It's still 3.5.2
[08:56] <draik> I have it in the repos for the KDE-latest and KDE-355, but it won't take at all
[08:57] <bmo> !paste
[08:57] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:57] <bmo> draik:
[08:57] <bmo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27300/
[08:58] <bmo> append that to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:58] <draik> will do
[08:58] <draik> Thank you bmo
[08:58] <bmo> I upgraded the other day and it worked
[08:58] <draik> but how do I acquire the KEY?
[08:58] <draik> I need the commands
[08:59] <bmo> These packages have been digitally signed using Jonathan Riddell's key. A copy of the key is also kept on people.ubuntu.com for verification. To add this key do:
[08:59] <bmo>  wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[08:59] <bmo>  sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[08:59] <draik> Thank you bmo
[08:59] <SpeedyG> hey guys, i've got a little problem running eclipse in kubuntu... when running it, i'm getting this error: opt/eclipse/eclipse: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:00] <SpeedyG> any ideas on how to solve this?
[09:00] <Zaire> I deff like phpbb2 better then 3 its much easier to manage
[09:01] <draik> bmo, do I need all of them or just the first 2 listed on there for the KDE?
[09:02] <bmo> just the kde ones if you want just kde
[09:02] <draik> ok
[09:02] <bmo> ignore the koffice ones
[09:02] <draik> will do
[09:02] <bmo> speedyg, maybe you need to install the dev package
[09:02] <SpeedyG> nope, doesnt solve it
[09:03] <draik> bmo, I already have those in my repos
[09:03] <bmo> hmm..odd.  there aren't many base libgtk 2.0 .deb files
[09:04] <SpeedyG> bmo: http://pastebin.ca/209557 <= the libgtk stuff installed
[09:04] <draik> bmo, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27302/
[09:05] <draik> That's another issue from my desktop. amaroK is held back for some reason
[09:06] <bmo> install libgtk2.0-0-dbg?
[09:08] <bmo> no, it doesn't require the dbg package
[09:08] <SpeedyG> still the same
[09:09] <SpeedyG> cant I just tell eclipse to not use gtk ?
[09:16] <bmo> hey speedy do a "locate libgtk-x11" for me
[09:17] <SpeedyG> hmz, seems that one is missing :/
[09:18] <bmo> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=libgtk2.0-0&version=unstable&arch=hurd-i386
[09:19] <bmo> about 3/4 of the way down, you see the libgtk-x11 link and its real file
[09:20] <user1> Hi all
[09:21] <udomsak_> hi all
[09:21] <SpeedyG> bmo: just install that package and it should work?
[09:21] <bmo> it should
[09:22] <bmo> the link on the right hand side leads to the .deb file http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/libgtk2.0-0
[09:22] <bmo> pick your architecture
[09:22] <bmo> download
[09:22] <bmo> dpkg -i [the package] 
[09:22] <logankoester_> anyone alive?
[09:23] <bmo> no, we're dead
[09:23] <udomsak_> I define key use for  switch my keyboard  layout by "keyboard shortcut tool "  but after I switch I can't switch back again
[09:24] <udomsak_> anybody  who know ?
[09:25] <SpeedyG> crap, dpkg gives dependency errors
[09:25] <bmo> I find it odd that search shows libgtk2 installed, yet it doesn't show up
[09:26] <SpeedyG> http://pastebin.ca/209587 <= perhaps that is one of the problems
[09:27] <bmo> yeesh
[09:27] <bmo> anyway, if you get it right, it should look like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27304/
[09:28] <SpeedyG> hmz, i'm starting to get the feeling that this might take a long time to fix :/
[09:29] <bmo> have you tried simply reinstalling libgtk2?
[09:29] <bmo> hmm
[09:29] <bmo> remove it, then install
[09:30] <Kaasklomp> i'm a newby (to both kubuntu and irc). Is kubuntu a good chose for running on a laptop and supporting wlan?
[09:30] <bmo> that depends on your wireless chipset, kaasklomp
[09:31] <bmo> and I have no clue about setting that up. heh.
[09:31] <SpeedyG> bmo: aptitude purge && aptitude install?
[09:31] <Kaasklomp> so for a newby that's no real option I guess?
[09:32] <bmo> no, I didn't say that, kaasklomp
[09:32] <bmo> I said it depends on your chipset.  people have had excellent, and terrible results, depending on the chipset
[09:32] <bmo> speedy yes
[09:33] <bmo> or maybe apt-get remove
[09:33] <bmo> instead of purge
[09:33] <bmo> purge is the nuclear option
[09:33] <Kaasklomp> so should i just install and see if it works?
[09:34] <bmo> I would, kaasklomp
[09:34] <bmo> it's the only way _I_ learn
[09:34] <Kaasklomp> thanks
[09:35] <SpeedyG> damnit, doesnt solve anything :/
[09:35] <bmo> do you get an error when you reinstall libgtk2?
[09:35] <SpeedyG> no
[09:35] <bmo> :-/
[09:35] <SpeedyG> only when I try to remove it, it starts jabbing about dependencies
[09:36] <bmo> an error would tell you what to do
[09:36] <SpeedyG> yeah
[09:37] <SpeedyG> http://pastebin.ca/209594
[09:37] <SpeedyG> thats all that happens
[09:38] <bmo> oh!
[09:38] <bmo> that's helpful!
[09:38] <bmo> The following packages are BROKEN:
[09:38] <bmo>   firefox gnome-keyring libbonoboui2-0 libeel2-2 libgail-common libgail17 libglade2-0 libgnome-desktop-2 libgnomecanvas2-0 libgnomeui-0 libgtk2.0-bin libgtk2.0-common
[09:38] <bmo>   libgtk2.0-dev libnautilus-burn3 libnautilus-extension1 nautilus-cd-burner
[09:38] <bmo> that right there
[09:39] <bmo> you have to fix the broken packages
[09:39] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:39] <Hobbsee> will tend to help
[09:39] <Hobbsee> !hardware
[09:39] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[09:40] <cpk2> its just apt-get -f install to fix broken
[09:40] <bmo> ok
[09:42] <Zaire> hey cpk2 check it out http://foxfire.hopto.org/phpbb2
[09:42] <cpk2> you can change phpbb2 to a different name
[09:43] <Zaire> I know I just haven't lol
[09:43] <cpk2> that was a layout phpbb had?
[09:43] <Zaire> nope I downloaded a theme off the phpbb site
[09:43] <Zaire> they have a bunch of cool ones
[09:44] <SpeedyG> raaah, this is really screwing my mind.. cant I just tell eclipse to use gtk1.2 ? :/
[09:44] <bmo> no, because you have bigger problems with broken packages that affect other stuff
[09:45] <SpeedyG> the install -f option also doesnt seem to fix anything :/
[09:45] <cpk2> hmm didnt know phpbb generated a faq for you too
[09:45] <cpk2> you did -f install?
[09:46] <SpeedyG> cpk2: yes
[09:46] <Zaire> theres actually a flash guide for installing themes not that you need it for phpbb2 its pretty straight forward
[09:47] <Zaire> actually I gotta see if they have any smiley packs to
[09:47] <dhq> i am tryong to install oreon but i need pear i installed it and here---->>Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 40 bytes) in /usr/share/php/PEAR/PackageFile/Parser/v1.php on line 191Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 40 bytes) in /usr/share/php/PEAR.php on line 766
[09:48] <cpk2> i always like seeing peoples hostnames when the paste and stuff =P
[09:48] <bmo> cpk2, maybe you have a bright idea, because I'm out of 'em for speedyg, and it's early in the morning, and I'm starting to burn out
[09:48] <bmo> it is almost 4am
[09:48] <cpk2> its late here
[09:48] <cpk2> 1am =(
[09:48] <bmo> and I need my nappytime
[09:49] <intelikey> anybody here on efnet right now ?
[09:49] <dhq> cpk2: where r u from
[09:50] <bmo> cpk2 is apparently on the west coast
[09:50] <SpeedyG> know what, i'll just boot back into windows and fix this some other time
[09:50] <dhq> cpk2: here its like 1pm
[09:50] <dhq> lolz
[09:50] <intelikey> SpeedyG what it is ?
[09:50] <Zaire> its 10 to 2 am here lol
[09:50] <dhq> lolz
[09:51] <SpeedyG> nearly 10AM here
[09:51] <SpeedyG> intelikey: ?
[09:51] <dhq> i am ahead of all you guys :)
[09:51] <bmo> speedyg is on the gmt
[09:51] <bmo> hmm..
[09:51] <SpeedyG> 1+gmt actually ;)
[09:51] <dhq> i am 5:30 hrs ahead gmt
[09:52] <SpeedyG> right, back in winblows again
[09:52] <bmo> bleh
[09:52] <SpeedyG> at least here eclipse works :/
[09:52] <dhq> hey i need help
[09:53] <jende> cpk2: Good morning!
[09:53] <jende> dhq: what is the prob?
[09:53] <bmo> speedyg, I noticed your prompt said "sarge", is that what you're actually using?
[09:53] <SpeedyG> nope
[09:53] <Zaire> sweet I found a tux avatar pack lol
[09:53] <SpeedyG> but its my main computer... 'the sarge' ;)
[09:53] <bmo> oh, ok
[09:53] <dhq> jende: pear problem
[09:54] <SpeedyG> its kubuntu amd64
[09:54] <bmo> er
[09:54] <bmo> 4
[09:54] <SpeedyG> hehe :)
[09:54] <jende> dhq: you meant a peer prob?
[09:54] <SpeedyG> for him being kubuntu :P
[09:54] <bmo> hahaha
[09:54] <dhq> jende: pear
[09:55] <dhq> !pear
[09:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pear - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:55] <SpeedyG> have no pear? ;)
[09:55] <bmo> !jenga blocks
[09:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jenga blocks - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:55] <jende> !peer
[09:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about peer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:55] <jende> ???
[09:55] <dhq> lolz
[09:55] <SpeedyG> !apt
[09:55] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[09:55] <jende> intelikey: howdy
[09:55] <intelikey> yo
[09:56] <dhq> jende: http://pear.php.net/
[09:56] <bmo> ! women
[09:56] <ubotu> The women and men of the Ubuntu women project hang out in #ubuntu-women. Encouraging women to use linux? Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ for some suggestions compiled by women who use Linux on how to do so effectively.
[09:57] <bmo> oh
[09:57] <bmo> not quite what I expected
[09:57] <jende> dhq: I found it...;-)
[09:57] <bmo> !libgtk2
[09:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libgtk2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:57] <Zaire> oooh and they have amd rank packs
[09:59] <jende> intelikey: how are ya today?
[09:59] <intelikey> well
[09:59] <intelikey> you?
[09:59] <jende> intelikey: not to bad, woke up way o early - but okay
[10:00] <bmo> ok, I will meditate on this problem (sleep)
[10:00] <jende> intelikey: got to prepare the rest for a meeting which I'll later this day
[10:00] <bmo> don't give up on it though, speedyg
[10:00] <jende> intelikey: got to prepare the rest for a meeting which I'll have later this day
[10:01] <bmo> bbl
[10:01] <SpeedyG> bmo: nah, i'll try it later
[10:01] <SpeedyG> got to do some schoolstuff now first
[10:01] <jende> intelikey: hopefully I get the deal to migrate a SBS2000 server to a real server; a Linux server...hehe
[10:02] <intelikey> jende ok.  you in germany ?
[10:02] <jende> intelikey: yep
[10:02] <jende> intelikey: and yo?
[10:02] <jende> intelikey: and you?
[10:02] <SlimG> Anyone know howto wget a filename with a "" character
[10:02] <intelikey> thought so.  usa
[10:02] <intelikey> and yeah it's early here.
[10:03] <jende> intelikey: *ggg* its almost 10ish am here
[10:03] <intelikey> k take care.
[10:03] <intelikey> or goodn tog
[10:03] <jende> intelikey: I will
[10:04] <jende> lol
[10:04] <intelikey> :)
[10:04] <SpeedyG> now isnt that some phonetic spelling ;)
[10:04] <intelikey> SpeedyG you like ?
[10:04] <jende> SpeedyG: it is, but doesn't matter
[10:04] <SpeedyG> nah :) its funny ;)
[10:04] <jende> intelikey: Guten Tag
[10:05] <SpeedyG> hehe, I was in doubt.. whether it should be a D or a T in guten ;)
[10:05] <SpeedyG> my german is a bit rusty
[10:05] <intelikey> i never studied any german.   i guess it shows.
[10:05] <jende> intelikey: nope
[10:06] <intelikey> :)
[10:06] <jende> intelikey: you should see most germans english, you might be scared afterwards
[10:06] <SpeedyG> haha, definately!
[10:06] <intelikey> yah
[10:07] <Bedo> Hi all people
[10:07] <jende> and they get lessons in school for years and years and the result is so badly
[10:07] <jende> Bedo: Hi
[10:08] <Bedo> hi jende
[10:09] <Bedo> I'm going to have a presentation on Kubuntu during our Linux Day
[10:09] <jende> Bedo: which linux day?
[10:09] <Bedo> Italian
[10:09] <jende> Bedo: ah, okay
[10:09] <harmental> how can i associate certain files to be opened by a java application (jar)
[10:10] <intelikey> harmental right click on one.
[10:10] <Bedo> I plug the camera on the usb-port, hal alert me that a new device has recognised, but when i try to open in a new window i see anything on it. But when i open digikam, everything works fine
[10:10] <Zaire> lol theres a prank mod for phpbb to make it so a specific user can only view posts in Binary lol
[10:12] <harmental> thanks intelikey....i was trying to do that from krusader and didnt work.....
[10:13] <Bedo> Anyone know how to solve my problem? :)
[10:13] <jende> Bedo: I didn't get it, to be honest
[10:13] <Bedo> i cut and paste now :)
[10:13] <Bedo> I plug the camera on the usb-port, hal alert me that a new device has recognised, but when i try to open in a new window i see anything on it. But when i open digikam, everything works fine
[10:13] <Bedo> arrived?
[10:14] <intelikey> Bedo set the camera to disk mode ?
[10:15] <cpk2> SpeedyG: after you killed all that gnome stuff did you get eclipse to install?
[10:15] <Bedo> uh? I simply open it, and i see a folder with the name of my machine, and into that a new file with the name of my camera, but when i open it i get an error
[10:15] <Bedo> cannot see camer, wrong parameters
[10:16] <SpeedyG> cpk2: it wasnt an issue to get it installed.. the problem was to make it run
[10:16] <cpk2> oh, well is it running? =)
[10:16] <Bedo> SpeedyG: what about running from a terminal?
[10:16] <SpeedyG> nope
[10:16] <SpeedyG> Bedo: running it from the terminal gave me the error
[10:17] <Bedo> what error?
[10:17] <SpeedyG> Bedo: eclipse: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:17] <SpeedyG> libgtk doesnt wanna get installed apparently :/
[10:18] <SpeedyG> or at least, not the way it should be
[10:18] <Bedo> try to install libgtk2.0-0
[10:18] <intelikey> most (or at least some) usb interfacing digital cameras can be set to "disk" mode, in which they store the images as jpg files (jpg iirc) on a formated partition in the cameras memory.   when in this mode accessing the file system is much easer.  "mount /dev/sda /mount/point/"   thus the system simply sees a disk with files.
[10:18] <SpeedyG> I did
[10:18] <SpeedyG> didnt solve anything
[10:18] <ilga> hello people. My english is not gut, but Itry to explain my problem. I update my proftp ftp server and then i got error "proftpd IPv6 getaddrinfo error: No address associated with hostname".
[10:18] <Bedo> mmm
[10:18] <SpeedyG> tried to remove it and reinstall it
[10:18] <SpeedyG> same thing
[10:18] <SpeedyG> tried to install dev-packages
[10:18] <SpeedyG> same thing
[10:19] <Bedo> bedo@pargrettu:~$ dpkg -S libgtk-x11
[10:19] <Bedo> libgtk2.0-0: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.800.20
[10:19] <Bedo> libgtk2.0-0: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
[10:19] <Bedo> bedo@pargrettu:~$
[10:19] <Bedo> so is on it
[10:19] <Bedo> try ldconfig
[10:19] <SpeedyG> right, that was one of the things I didnt try :/ shouldve tried it
[10:20] <Bedo> ok :)
[10:24] <ilga> hello. I have proftpd error. 'IPv6 getaddrinfo error: No address associated with hostname"
[10:24] <jordan_> trying to compile 2.6.7 kernel.....
[10:24] <ilga> ok
[10:24] <jordan_> different tutorials have different things.. but none specific for me
[10:24] <jordan_> kind of weird
[10:25] <SpeedyG> Bedo: still nothing
[10:25] <jordan_> maybe apt-get can install it automatically?
[10:25] <Bedo> SpeedyG: same problem?
[10:25] <intelikey> jordan_ 2.6.7  or  2.6.17 ?
[10:25] <SpeedyG> speedyg@sarge:~$ dpkg -S libgtk-x112
[10:25] <SpeedyG> su dpkg: *libgtk-x112* not found.
[10:25] <SpeedyG> :/
[10:26] <Bedo> there's a 2
[10:26] <SpeedyG> whoops, typo
[10:26] <SpeedyG> yeah, I noticed
[10:26] <Bedo> dpkg -s libgtk-x11
[10:26] <Bedo> :)
[10:26] <Bedo> -S
[10:26] <jordan_> intel: 2.6.7
[10:26] <SpeedyG> speedyg@sarge:~$ dpkg -S libgtk-x11
[10:26] <SpeedyG> libgtk2.0-0: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.800.20
[10:26] <SpeedyG> libgtk2.0-0: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
[10:26] <SpeedyG> libgtk2.0-dev: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.la
[10:26] <SpeedyG> libgtk2.0-dev: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so
[10:26] <SpeedyG> libgtk2.0-dev: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.a
[10:26] <SpeedyG> it is found indeed
[10:26] <Bedo> ok
[10:26] <jordan_> intel: im installing patched madwifi drivers
[10:26] <Bedo> tryied ldconfig?
[10:27] <SpeedyG> the command is just only 'ldconfig'  right ?
[10:27] <Bedo> yes
[10:27] <Bedo> sudo ldconfig
[10:27] <SpeedyG> did it, still the same problem
[10:27] <Bedo> mmm
[10:27] <SpeedyG> (i've su-'ed to root... don't like sudo if i've got to do a bunch of rootstuff)
[10:27] <Bedo> try sudo aptitude reinstall libgtk2
[10:27] <jende> Bedo: maybe a verbose ldconfig?
[10:27] <jordan_> intel: is there an easy way to do it?
[10:29] <intelikey> jordan_ that's on ubuntu's hoary hedge hog ?   if i remember correctly hoary came with 2.6.7   breazy with 2.6.10 and dapper with 2.6.15      there may be a better way to get that patch    i.e. upgrading
[10:29] <jordan_> intel: sorry the new dapper..  6.061
[10:29] <jende> jordan_: you shouldn't be on a 2.6.7 Kernel, though
[10:29] <SpeedyG> it shows work on the libgtk2 stuff, and no errors
[10:30] <jordan_> jende: theres a madwifi patch for 2.6.7
[10:30] <intelikey> jordan_ try   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:31] <jordan_> intel: when i patch files with specific versions.. is it ok to have more recent than their specs, then?
[10:31] <intelikey> maybe i better stay out of that.    i don't know for sure that the 2.6.15-26  is patched.
[10:31] <jordan_> sorry im in china so some sites are blocked
[10:31] <jordan_> http://patches.aircrack-ng.org/
[10:31] <jordan_> heres where im looking at
[10:31] <jordan_> i have to view it through a proxy
[10:31] <SpeedyG> Bedo: any more clues?
[10:32] <jende> jordan_: have you tried the 6/4 protocol of hacktivismo.com?you may have abetter access then to sites which are usually blocked in china
[10:33] <lz1gjd> what was the name of the program to speed up loading times in linux, prolink or something
[10:33] <cpk2> prelinking?
[10:33] <jordan_> heres another link.. http://aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=madwifi-ng
[10:34] <lz1gjd> cpk2: oh yeah, right :) thx
[10:34] <jordan_> hacktivismo is loading,
[10:34] <jordan_> your protocol looks fun
[10:35] <jordan_> ill dl it
[10:35] <wanrecords> hi guys
[10:35] <jende> jordan_: hope it helps
[10:35] <jende> jordan_: let me know if does
[10:36] <jordan_> jende: but that just helps my censor prob.. im really trying to patch my madwifi drivers
[10:36] <jordan_> jende: its very helpful in itself though
[10:36] <wanrecords> anyone here know about the problem with amaroK not playing mp3's on 64bit machines?
[10:37] <intelikey> jordan_ uname -r     what version kernel are you running ?
[10:38] <jende> jordan_: I know that it helps "just" your censor prob, but miight be handy to use anyway
[10:39] <visik7> .
[10:39] <windshear> anyone knows when edgy 6.10 rc1 will be released?
[10:39] <jende> windshear: 26th of oct
[10:40] <windshear> thats the final
[10:40] <windshear> !schedule
[10:40] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[10:40] <jende> windshear: ooops, sorry
[10:41] <windshear> according to timetable the rc should be released today, but when?
[10:43] <jordan_> intel: 2.6.15-26-386
[10:43] <jordan_> jende: yep
[10:43] <wanrecords> so nobody has any idea about the amaroK/xine problem?
[10:44] <pablo_> wanrecords: on dapper
[10:44] <pablo_> when I tried to play an mp3
[10:44] <pablo_> it automatically installed mp3 support
[10:45] <pablo_> at least with kde 3.5.5 and last version of amarok
[10:45] <intelikey> !mp3
[10:45] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:45] <jende> wanrecords: you may want to intsall "libxine-extracodecs"
[10:45] <jordan_> intel:  sudo apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.7 ?
[10:45] <jordan_> intel: Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.7
[10:45] <intelikey> jordan_ try   linux-*
[10:45] <jende> wanrecords: you need those extracodecs
[10:46] <jordan_> intel: i tried downloading it manually but when i extracted it, i couldnt copy to usr/src
[10:46] <jordan_> inte: but im looking for 2.6.7 specifically
[10:46] <intelikey> jordan_ kernel-* is only for 2.4.*
[10:46] <AWOSDev> I  can't figure out what the problem is, my Linux won't play an enhanced CD.   I have tried mounting it, playing it in KsCD, and VLC, and making sure I have the proper permissions.  I have also checked the disc for surface imperfections.  What else can I do?
[10:46] <momal> anyone know how to get my super(windows) key working... it doesn't seem to work :(..
[10:46] <intelikey> linux-* is for 2.6.*
[10:47] <jordan_> oh... so anything in 2.6 should work with my madwifi patch?
[10:47] <intelikey> no.   just use the word linux in place of kernel in your apt-get
[10:47] <DHGE> anyone likes the font rendering in edgy? - i find them blurry ...
[10:48] <SpeedyG> fuck it, I give up for today, back to windows
[10:48] <AWOSDev> !language
[10:48] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:48] <wanrecords> sorry, had an RSI workrave rest break ;)
[10:48] <AWOSDev> Ahhhh ubotu, how I love you.
[10:48] <intelikey> jordan_ sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.7   but i think you will have to get it from the hoary repos
[10:49] <wanrecords> re: libxine-extracodecs: it seems that one is not in the repository :(
[10:49] <SpeedyG> nothing wrong with my language
[10:49] <jende> wanrecords: it is; but your sources.list in /etc/apt/ needs to have universe enabled
[10:49] <intelikey> SpeedyG don't push it.
[10:49] <jende> wanrecords: by default it is disabled with a hash#
[10:50] <wanrecords> jende: I have universe enabled
[10:50] <jende> wanrecords: hold on a sec
[10:50] <wanrecords> jende: might it be that it's not there for 64bit machines?
[10:50] <wanrecords> deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe
[10:50] <wanrecords> deb-src http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe
[10:50] <wanrecords> ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
[10:50] <wanrecords> ## distribution.
[10:50] <wanrecords> deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted universe
[10:50] <wanrecords> deb-src http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted universe
[10:51] <jende> wanrecords: first of all
[10:51] <wanrecords> thats the sources
[10:51] <AWOSDev> !paste
[10:51] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:51] <jende> libxine-extracodecs is in the multiverse repos
[10:51] <wanrecords> multiverse? ah ok
[10:51] <jende> wanrecords: so, change your sources
[10:51] <wanrecords> k, thanks, let me try that one
[10:51] <intelikey> add multiverse
[10:52] <jende> wanrecords: add "multiverse"
[10:52] <jordan_> i pray to madwifi to inform me on aircrack's packet injection patch, and how to complie the 2.6.7 kernel if necessary!
[10:53] <jordan_> *pray*
[10:53] <jordan_> lol
[10:53] <jordan_> they did hear
[10:53] <jordan_> brb
[10:53] <AWOSDev> Hehe
[10:53] <cpk2> AWOSDev: what does enhanced cd mean?
[10:53] <AWOSDev> @time Pacific/Auckland
[10:53] <Ubugtu> Current time in Pacific/Auckland: October 19 2006, 21:53:46
[10:53] <intelikey> sed 's/main .*/main restricted universe multiverse/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:54] <Healot> IE7... perios
[10:54] <wanrecords> ah charming guys!
[10:54] <wanrecords> now it works
[10:54] <wanrecords> thanks jende
[10:54] <wanrecords> I thought having universe was enough :)
[10:54] <AWOSDev> cpk2
[10:54] <AWOSDev> cpk2 - Data and Audio on same disc.
[10:54] <cpk2> ah ok
[10:54] <intelikey> it is if you don't want propriatary krap wanrecords
[10:55] <wanrecords> let me post this on the forum, as there was someone else I think that had problems with this
[10:55] <AWOSDev> cpk2, neither data nor audio works :(
[10:55] <jende> wanrecords: no worries; good idea to post that
[10:55] <cpk2> AWOSDev: that is odd, I take it this is a commercial cd?
[10:55] <AWOSDev> cpk2, Yes!
[10:56] <AWOSDev> intelikey - Data and Audio on same disc.
[10:56] <intelikey> oh mixed cd
[10:56] <intelikey> got it
[10:57] <wanrecords> right, back to work now, thanks for the help :)
[10:57] <AWOSDev> Hehe
[10:57] <AWOSDev> Yeah that's it
[10:57] <AWOSDev> :)
[10:57] <intelikey> both data and audio work from mixed cd's here.
[10:57] <cpk2> ok this bad boy is incredibly scratched so we will see what happens
[10:58] <intelikey> planO dapper 32bit
[10:59] <AWOSDev> intelikey, yes me too, it doesn't work :(
[10:59] <cpk2> AWOSDev: ok well wine /media/cdrom0/START.EXE worked for me, didnt go farther than where it says I need quicktime though
[11:01] <intelikey> AWOSDev odd.   can you " eject ;eject -t " ?     should open and reclose the tray.   then play the audio track/s ?
[11:01] <intelikey> i say eject because it will also umount it.
[11:02] <AWOSDev> eject: unable to open '/dev/hdc': Permission denied.
[11:02] <intelikey> sudo it
[11:03] <AWOSDev> Okay well it spit it out
[11:03] <AWOSDev> but then said Permission denied when it sucked in
[11:03] <AWOSDev> so it didn'
[11:03] <AWOSDev> t take it back
[11:03] <AWOSDev> So I sudo eject -t
[11:03] <AWOSDev> and it sucked.
[11:04] <cpk2> AWOSDev: also AWOSDev using kaffeine and doing "play audio cd" plays the audio
[11:04] <intelikey> now it plays ?
[11:04] <AWOSDev> It came up 'new unmounted media!'
[11:04] <AWOSDev> Open?
[11:04] <AWOSDev> Do nothing?
[11:04] <cpk2> you can open if you want =P
[11:04] <AWOSDev> no Kaffeine options :)
[11:04] <AWOSDev> oops sorry
[11:04] <AWOSDev> I meant :(
[11:05] <intelikey> ignore and try to play it in a cdplayer app
[11:05] <AWOSDev> Is VLC okay?
[11:05] <intelikey> AWOSDev yah
[11:05] <AWOSDev> Ahhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:05] <AWOSDev> Ahhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:05] <AWOSDev> Ahhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:05] <AWOSDev> Ahhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:05] <LoRez> Warning: `AWOSDev' seems to be spamming, please discontinue or kicks/kills/klines will be issued.
[11:05] <AWOSDev> Okay fine
[11:05] <AWOSDev> shut up LoRez-bot :P
[11:06] <AWOSDev> anyway
[11:06] <AWOSDev> VLC died.
[11:06] <AWOSDev> completely.
[11:06] <AWOSDev> totally and honestly truly bluely died.
[11:06] <intelikey> !kscd
[11:06] <ubotu> kscd: audio CD player for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 409 kB, installed size 892 kB
[11:06] <AWOSDev> I checked 'probe discs'
[11:06] <AWOSDev> and instantly without even hitting okay just as soon as I checked it
[11:06] <AWOSDev> BOOM!
[11:06] <AWOSDev> Not even an 'KDE crash handler'.
[11:07] <lz1gjd> how do i install a driver for this : 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Express Chipset Family Graphics Controller (rev 0e)
[11:08] <AWOSDev> i915 = super easy.
[11:08] <intelikey> 915 or 910 ?
[11:09] <AWOSDev> EXACT error:
[11:09] <AWOSDev> CD-ROM read or access error (or no audio disc in drive).
[11:09] <AWOSDev> Please make sure you have access permissions to:
[11:09] <AWOSDev>  /dev/cdrom
[11:09] <AWOSDev> ^^^from KsCD.
[11:10] <intelikey> lz1gjd you do an  sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-driver-i810   i would assume
[11:11] <intelikey> AWOSDev permissions  error because you are not in cdrom or media group   command    groups    and   ls -l /dev/cdrom
[11:12] <AWOSDev> users audio www-data backup admin
[11:12] <intelikey> follow the link in the ls output to the real device
[11:12] <AWOSDev> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2006-10-17 13:23 /dev/cdrom -> hdc
[11:12] <AWOSDev> brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 2006-10-17 13:23 /dev/hdc
[11:12] <AWOSDev> AW CRAP...
[11:12] <intelikey> cdrom group
[11:12] <AWOSDev> okay well thanks intelikey.
[11:13] <AWOSDev> I personally think it's dumb, but I know it's for security, that's why I'm not back on Windows.
[11:15] <AWOSDev> Okay if I sudo kscd will it work?
[11:15] <intelikey> :)
[11:16] <intelikey> kdesu is safer for gui apps.   but sudo will prolly work on that one.
[11:16] <AWOSDev> Okay
[11:16] <AWOSDev> Okay it says playing track 6
[11:16] <AWOSDev> my fav
[11:16] <AWOSDev> BUT...
[11:16] <AWOSDev> no sound :(
[11:17] <intelikey> possably sound is muted ?
[11:17] <AWOSDev> No
[11:17] <AWOSDev> 100%
[11:17] <AWOSDev> 100% across the board
[11:17] <AWOSDev> speakers turned on and up
[11:17] <AWOSDev> Oh yeah I almost forgot
[11:17] <AWOSDev> no analog audio
[11:18] <AWOSDev> No not that high up :)
[11:18] <AWOSDev> not at 5:17am anyway :)
[11:18] <intelikey> it's what you said.
 100% across the board
[11:18] <AWOSDev> I mean everythings at 100% on Kmix
[11:19] <AWOSDev> not the speakers, they're like 15-20
[11:19] <AWOSDev> but turning them up makes no difference.
[11:19] <intelikey> so do you have a sound issue that you need to address ?
[11:19] <AWOSDev> Yes.
[11:20] <AWOSDev> I do not have an audio thingy on the back of my DVD drive
[11:20] <AWOSDev> that plugs into the sound card?
[11:20] <AWOSDev> I can play it in Windows without it
[11:20] <AWOSDev> using 'digital CD audio playback'
[11:20] <intelikey> hmmm   so open the case and install one :)
[11:21] <intelikey> lz1gjd yes ?
[11:21] <AWOSDev> Hehe
[11:21] <AWOSDev> I mean
[11:21] <AWOSDev> the drive doesn't have one
[11:21] <AWOSDev> or else I would have already done that
[11:22] <AWOSDev> the past five times I've had the case open since installing the drive.
[11:22] <lz1gjd> well dont know the exact model, its integrated graphics, it seems to work but not in google earth
[11:22] <AWOSDev> As soon as I can get the bleeper of a 20GB backed up I can install my other CD drive.
[11:22] <AWOSDev> with a audio CD analog port thingy.
[11:22] <intelikey> oh.  then it shouldn't need one.  but i don't have a drive like that.
[11:23] <AWOSDev> intelikey, older mobo = needs one.
[11:23] <intelikey> ok.
[11:23] <AWOSDev> intelikey, just tell me straight: Can I use digital audio CD playback in Ubuntu Dapper?
[11:24] <AWOSDev> Linux NAMERICA1 2.6.15-23-386 #1 PREEMPT Tue May 23 13:49:40 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:24] <AWOSDev>  05:23:00 up 1 day, 12:00,  1 user,  load average: 0.46, 0.43, 0.64
[11:24] <AWOSDev> 0000:01:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1969 Solo-1 Audiodrive (rev 01)
[11:24] <intelikey> lz1gjd grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:24] <AWOSDev> 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801AB IDE (rev 01)
[11:24] <AWOSDev> With a SONY DRU-710A DVD+RW drive.
[11:24] <AWOSDev> that's all my specs.
[11:24] <AWOSDev> Is it possible?
[11:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Hi guys, there's no way of switching between view modes in konqueror? i mean, i usually use only details and icon mode.. but there's no shortcut for fast change between them available.. can you give me a hint?
[11:25] <intelikey> AWOSDev it is possable.   but don't even try to get me to dive into it.
[11:25] <AWOSDev> intelikey, why not?  :(
[11:25] <intelikey> AWOSDev cause it aint my turn to start lying
[11:26] <AWOSDev> intelikey, huh?  what?
[11:26] <AWOSDev> So it isn't possible?
[11:26] <intelikey> it is possible
[11:27] <lz1gjd> intelikey: says "i810"
[11:28] <intelikey> lz1gjd that's what it should say.   i don't know anything else to tell you.  i never used google earth
[11:28] <lz1gjd> ic, thx anyway
[11:28] <intelikey> np
[11:30] <AWOSDev> I can use Google Earth on my i810
[11:30] <AWOSDev> I didn't do anything special
[11:30] <intelikey> AWOSDev when you ask "is it possible"  you are not defining the ammount of work that would be acceptable nor the changes to the system that would constitute "too much"   it is "possible".
[11:30] <AWOSDev> Make sure it is *NOT* in OpenGL render mode.
[11:30] <AWOSDev> intelikey, I will reinstall Ubuntu if necessary.
[11:31] <AWOSDev> I will crack open the case and install a new motherboard.
[11:31] <AWOSDev> *ANYTHING*
[11:31] <intelikey> will you rewrite it ?
[11:31] <lz1gjd> ic, but opengl is the only option
[11:31] <AWOSDev> Rewrite what?
[11:31] <intelikey> part of the kernel
[11:31] <intelikey> :)
[11:32] <jende> dude: howdy, still alive?
[11:32] <AWOSDev> Ohohohoh
[11:32] <AWOSDev> lz1gjd, it has to be in OpenGL Software mode
[11:32] <AWOSDev> *not* hardware mode
[11:32] <AWOSDev> software mode..
[11:32] <lz1gjd> how do i do that
[11:33] <AWOSDev> lz1gjd, type just "googleearth" on the command line.  that's it
[11:33] <AWOSDev> Is there any error you get?
[11:34] <lz1gjd> none in the console
[11:34] <AWOSDev> on screen that is :)
[11:35] <AWOSDev> No there wouldn't be in the console
[11:35] <AWOSDev> Does it just never come up?
[11:35] <lz1gjd> how do i tell it to use soft rendering
[11:35] <AWOSDev> lz1gjd, it is the default.
[11:35] <AWOSDev> have you messed with it?
[11:35] <AWOSDev> if not, then it is already using software rendering.
[11:35] <lz1gjd> well it does, but it appears in the top part of the screen and when you move earth it leaves traces
[11:36] <lz1gjd> no, nothing
[11:36] <AWOSDev> Okay, your specs?
[11:36] <AWOSDev> hardware specs that is?
[11:36] <intelikey> i should start getting ready to leave.  i dislike these rotating schedules...............................
[11:36] <AWOSDev> intelikey, G'night :)
[11:36] <AWOSDev> intelikey, or is this work?
[11:36] <jende> intelikey: have fun though, whereever you may go to now
[11:36] <AWOSDev> in that case, G'day :)
[11:37] <AWOSDev> lz1gjd, what's your hardware specs again?
[11:37] <AWOSDev> Like memory?
[11:37] <AWOSDev> processor speed?
[11:37] <lz1gjd> well im not really sure, its not my, but it goes like this : cel 3.06ghz, 512mb ram, 80gb hdd, asrock with some intel integrated graphics
[11:38] <AWOSDev> You have an i810 in that thing?
[11:38] <AWOSDev> Google Earth doesn't look nice on that thing?
[11:38] <lz1gjd> nope ;(
[11:39] <jende> lz1gjd: it looks fine on my old HP Kayak PIII-550 and just 256Megs
[11:40] <jende> lz1gjd: it seems to be that you might have messed your system somehow
[11:40] <lz1gjd> should try mess with xorg.conf to make use soft opengl, but how exactly
[11:40] <jende> !xorg
[11:40] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:40] <lz1gjd> havent touched anything in xorg except for changing some resolutions
[11:41] <jende> lz1gjd: have a look at the link
[11:41] <jende> AWOSDev: quite unreal that is, isn't it
[11:42] <cpk2> any kopete masters here?
[11:42] <lz1gjd> well it talks about fixing screen resolutions, i think my problem is different
[11:42] <AWOSDev> jende, yeah my i810 is in a Compaq Presario 5700N Celeron-500 and 256M RAM.
[11:42] <AWOSDev> lz1gjd, pretend I never said anything about software rendering...that is if your computer is 5+ years old.
[11:42] <AWOSDev> You are *fine*
[11:46] <lz1gjd> seems the problem is not only with google earth but with any opengl based application
[11:49] <bioticpro> anyone here use knemo?  I can't get it to load (kde 3.5.5)
[11:52] <joscha> anyone tried flash9 beta? it seems to play flashmovies very slow
[11:54] <cpk2> so no kopete "power users"?
[11:54] <AWOSDev> cpk2, no I use Konversation myself.
[11:55] <cpk2> this is for IM
[11:55] <cpk2> i use konv for irc
[11:55] <JohnFlux> cpk2: ask don't ask to ask.  also try #kopete
[11:55] <cpk2> #kopete is silent
[11:56] <nuku> joscha: any particular one? it seems to work fine here..
[11:56] <bioticpro> What is a good network monitor applet for kde?  I was using knetload, until 3.5.5, don't like the new version
[11:56] <joscha> nuku: tried again... myvideo.com is very slow, youtube is normal
[11:56] <cpk2> well does anyone know if you can add "user info" for yourself? like in AIM/GAIM you can add your user info
[11:58] <cpk2> bioticpro: I use gkrellm to monitor everything
[11:59] <nuku> joscha: myvideo.com?
[11:59] <bioticpro> cpk2: Im looking for something that will sit in the system tray
[11:59] <joscha> oh myvideo.de
[11:59] <nuku> joscha: seems to work here too.. hmmm
[12:00] <joscha> nuku: i have no sound too... perhaps thats the problem
[12:00] <nuku> joscha: maybe.. but flash9 is supposed to use alsa... do you start firefox with aoss wrapper (that should not be needed anymore)?
[12:04] <markey> hey guys
[12:04] <markey> just tried the latest edgy daily iso on my new box
[12:04] <markey> keyboard and mouse don't work at all :(
[12:05] <cpk2> !edgy
[12:05] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[12:05] <markey> with dapper keyboard and mouse also didn't work right. locked up randomly
[12:05] <markey> any ideas?
[12:12] <cpk2> or how about this, how does konversation handle /exec media?
[12:13] <AWOSDev> Konversation can do /media.
[12:13] <zorglu_> what is the purpose of this '/media' command ?
[12:14] <zorglu_> cpk2: btw i got 'userinfo' in kopete.
[12:14] <zorglu_> i mean i got a menu named like this at least :)
[12:14] <cpk2> zorglu_: how?
[12:14] <cpk2> zorglu_: I want to set my own user info
[12:14] <zorglu_> cpk2: oh i was talking about the one from your 'buddy'
[12:15] <cpk2> zorglu_: I like kopetes /media command, but thats about the only thing that makes me want to use it over gaim right now
[12:16] <zorglu_> cpk2: about your own userinfo, apparently you are right... i mean i fails to find how to modify it too
[12:16] <zorglu_> and what this '/media' command do ?
[12:16] <cpk2> zorglu_: 2 things making me not want to use kopete: cant have my own user info and it lists groups alphabetically
[12:16] <cpk2> it does that
[12:16] <zorglu_> ah ok
[12:17] <zorglu_> i understand your point
[12:17] <zorglu_> you may try to ask on #kopete...
[12:17] <cpk2> its silent
[12:18] <zorglu_> maouaouauoua :)
[12:18] <zorglu_> im listening to 32 :)
[12:18] <zorglu_> this is correct tho :) but i find it fun :)
[12:19] <zorglu_> i start to understand the interest in dcop/dbus concept
[12:19] <AWOSDev> Hehe :
[12:19] <AWOSDev> ")
[12:20] <cpk2> so i wanted to know how konversation handled /exec media so maybe i could get it to work in gaim
[12:20] <zorglu_> cpk2: hue ?
[12:20] <joscha> cpk2: its a script
[12:20] <AWOSDev> cpk2, GAIM = GNOME, with no understanding of DCOP.
[12:20] <cpk2> booo
[12:20] <zorglu_> cpk2: when i type /media under conversation, it does the job
[12:21] <cpk2> oh ok
[12:21] <cpk2> so it does
[12:21] <cpk2> well /exec media does the job too =P
[12:21] <AWOSDev> Hehe :)
[12:21] <AWOSDev> Yep :)
[12:21] <AWOSDev> joscha is not a native English speaker :)
[12:21] <cpk2> nope, never heard of those guys =)
[12:21] <thoreauputic> ...just what we needed - more channel spam ;-)
[12:22] <joscha> cpk2: so whats your problem?
[12:22] <AWOSDev> Mmm nice.
[12:22] <cpk2> joscha: well I was hoping i could find a way to have gaim have a /media command
[12:22] <cpk2> since kopete is lacking in too many areas for me
[12:22] <AWOSDev> cpk2, just use IRC :x
[12:22] <zorglu_> about konversation, is it possible to forward the output of a local command to the channel ?
[12:22] <joscha> look in the media script... its just a dcop call
[12:23] <joscha> zorglu_: yes but i won't tell you ;)
[12:23] <AWOSDev> joscha, oh come on :)
[12:23] <zorglu_> on old irc client, "/exec -o id" wasable to do it
[12:23] <zorglu_> mouaoua your little secret :)
[12:23] <cpk2> AWOSDev: not everyone I talk to even knows what irc is
[12:23] <AWOSDev> cpk2 hehe
[12:24] <AWOSDev> DCOP Error: Could not find script -o.
[12:25] <joscha> /exec cmd
[12:25] <joscha> /exec cmd "echo "test""
[12:25] <joscha> test
[12:25] <AWOSDev> DCOP Error: Command @ARGV doesn't exist!
[12:25] <AWOSDev> Linux NAMERICA1 2.6.15-23-386 #1 PREEMPT Tue May 23 13:49:40 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:25] <joscha> without the qoutes
[12:25] <AWOSDev> there it is
[12:25] <zorglu_> uid=1000(jerome) gid=1000(jerome) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),106(lpadmin),110(scanner),111(admin),1000(jerome)
[12:25] <joscha> /exec cmd echo "test"
[12:25] <zorglu_> here we go :)
[12:25] <AWOSDev> yeah I found that :)
[12:26] <AWOSDev>  06:24:58 up 1 day, 13:02,  1 user,  load average: 2.06, 1.77, 1.30
[12:26] <AWOSDev> uhoh, that was bad idea
[12:26] <AWOSDev> 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82810 DC-100 GMCH [Graphics Memory Controller Hub]  (rev 02)
[12:26] <AWOSDev> 0000:00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810 DC-100 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller]  (rev 02)
[12:26] <AWOSDev> 0000:00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801AB PCI Bridge (rev 01)
[12:26] <AWOSDev> 0000:00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801AB ISA Bridge (LPC) (rev 01)
[12:26] <AWOSDev> 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801AB IDE (rev 01)
[12:26] <AWOSDev> 0000:00:1f.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801AB USB (rev 01)
[12:26] <AWOSDev> 0000:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801AB SMBus (rev 01)
[12:26] <cpk2> rofl
[12:26] <AWOSDev> 0000:01:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1969 Solo-1 Audiodrive (rev 01)
[12:26] <AWOSDev> 0000:01:08.0 Serial controller: Rockwell International HCF 56k Data/Fax Modem (rev 01)
[12:26] <AWOSDev> 0000:01:09.0 Ethernet controller: D-Link System Inc RTL8139 Ethernet (rev 10)
[12:26] <AWOSDev> 0000:01:0a.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905B 100BaseTX [Cyclone]  (rev 30)
[12:26] <joscha> why did i tell you?
[12:26] <cpk2> ARGV
[12:26] <AWOSDev> lspci :P
[12:26] <zorglu_> well a dangerous tool
[12:27] <joscha> well know we know everything about you and your computer
[12:27] <AWOSDev> Hehe yep :)
[12:27] <joscha> -k
[12:27] <AWOSDev> don't know my name :)
[12:27] <joscha> AWOSDev: sure! your UID!
[12:27] <zorglu_> http://konversation.berlios.de/docs/konvi-cmds.html <- to get all the konversation command
[12:27] <AWOSDev> where?
[12:28] <joscha> oh it was zorglu_s....
[12:28] <cpk2> hmm /exec cmd "uname -u" doesnt work
[12:28] <MadRabbit> hi all, just installed kubuntu (yes, a noob)...if I run adept I can select pkgs, but once I click "fetch updates", I see a flash of a progress bar, a list of pkgs i selected(along w/links) but what do I do next? they don't show in the programs list.
[12:28] <cpk2> and by -u i mean -a
[12:29] <zorglu_> hmm i think we should do some basic konversation script and put them in the repository
[12:29] <joscha> Linux joscha-desktop 2.6.17-10-386 #2 Fri Oct 13 18:41:40 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:29] <joscha> works?!
[12:29] <joscha> without the qoutes @ cpk2
[12:30] <cpk2> tells me @argv doesnt exist
[12:30] <joscha> /exec cmd uname -a
[12:30] <cpk2> Linux snoresqueeze 2.6.15-27-686 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Sep 16 02:13:27 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:30] <cpk2> rofl i was still typoing
[12:30] <cpk2> ahahaha
[12:31] <cpk2> i was still do -u for some reason
[12:32] <zorglu_> like "/tokubuntupastebin cat /etc/apt/sources.list" will execute the "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" and send it to a pastebin, gather the url and output the message "the result of 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list' is at http://pastebin.example.com/12345"
[12:32] <zorglu_> i like this idea, would make the help a lot more efficient
[12:32] <zorglu_> joscha: is it easy to create a .deb which add script to konversation ?
[12:33] <joscha> zorglu_: it should be quite easy... easier then writing the script ;)
[12:33] <zorglu_> just have to find a pastebin which works with rpcxml or similar :)
[12:34] <zorglu_> the only 'hard' part is the autoamtic posting and get the url back
[12:35] <AWOSDev> snoresqueeze?
[12:35] <joscha> automatic posting should be not to difficult, just add the nickname and the pastecontent to the url
[12:37] <AWOSDev> Okay guys, bedtime.
[12:37] <AWOSDev> G'night all
[12:38] <joscha> pastebin doesn't work for me atm
[12:39] <BadRabbit320> hi all, just installed kubuntu (yes, a noob)...if I run adept I can select pkgs, but once I click "fetch updates", I see a flash of a progress bar, a list of pkgs I selected(along w/links) but what do I do next? they don't show in the programs list. have I missed something?
[12:41] <joscha> BadRabbit320: fetch updates doesn't install the tools you selected
[12:41] <joscha> select the tools you want (right click - request install)
[12:42] <joscha> and then click Apply changes
[12:42] <zorglu_> 'fetch updates' update the list of the package available to the list below
[12:42] <joscha> fetch updates only gets the list of tools avaible in the repositorys
[12:43] <BadRabbit320> joscha  ok, thanks for your help!
[12:43] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: also you can use apt-get via the command line
[12:43] <joscha> "sudo apt-get install <packagename>" for installing
[12:43] <cpk2> it is an easy way to make you more comfortable on the command line
[12:44] <BadRabbit320> but to use apt-get; don't I need the exact name of a pkg?
[12:44] <cpk2> and it tends to output more if there is something it tell you
[12:44] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: yes and no
[12:44] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: you can do apt-cache search
[12:44] <zorglu_> apt-cache search partofthenameyouarelookingfo
[12:44] <joscha> BadRabbit320: you can search for packages in the command line with apt-cache search
[12:44] <cpk2> and tab complete works with apt-get install
[12:45] <joscha> tab completion works? huh i have to try!
[12:45] <zorglu_> really there is tab completion ?
[12:45] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: you mean to tell me you are perusing 18k plus of packages in adept?
[12:45] <zorglu_> cool :)
[12:45] <joscha> cool works it in bash too? i use zsh?
[12:45] <jende> anyone here who is on edgy?
[12:45] <joscha> jende: yep
[12:46] <jende> have you made an upgrade today?
[12:46] <cpk2> tab completion works as long as apt-cache search can find it
[12:46] <joscha> yes but i didn't restart since then
[12:46] <jende> joscha:how many upgradable packages did you get? I just got abou 300 *g*
[12:47] <jende> joscha: but haven't restarted either
[12:47] <joscha> jende: far not so much... about 20
[12:47] <cpk2> i upgraded 285 just to go from kde .4 to .5
[12:47] <jende> cpk2: same as here
[12:48] <joscha> i already hab .5
[12:48] <elias_> What I don't understand: I run xorg with nvidia on EDGY and get "direct rendering: Yes". Then I enable xgl and suddenly I get "direct rendering: No" with the same xorg.conf!
[12:48] <jende> joscha: already hatte schon the .5 *ggg*
[12:48] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 'fraid so...(noobs don't know an easier way...yes, __itloads of pkgs (most of which don't make sense to me)
[12:48] <joscha> *g*
[12:49] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: why doesnt that make sense to you?
[12:49] <MistaED> elias_: that's perfectly normal, Xgl is using the Xglx backend which is a hack, Xegl should address this or if you want, use AIGLX instead
[12:49] <jende> joscha: so where abut in Deutschland do you wohn?
[12:49] <jende> joscha: so where about in Deutschland do you wohn?
[12:49] <cpk2> aptitude is how you should pretty much only be getting apps
[12:49] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 some of the pkgs don't make sense to me
[12:50] <joscha> jende: Koblenz and Mainz
[12:50] <jende> joscha: okay, Rinteln sdl Hannover
[12:50] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: well some are for VERY specific purposes
[12:51] <joscha> BadRabbit320: you should only install the ones you need ;)
[12:51] <cpk2> i have heard that vacuum cleaner in german is a really long wierd
[12:51] <joscha> cpk2: wierd?
[12:51] <cpk2> word
[12:51] <cpk2> hrmm maybe i should go to sleep
[12:51] <joscha> Vakuum Staubsauger
[12:52] <cpk2> thats not longer
[12:52] <jende> cpk2: Staubsauger
[12:52] <jende> cpk2: but we have Beutelstaubsauger und Zyklonstaubsauger
[12:52] <cpk2> psh and people always say its one of those words that has tons of unds (ands?)
[12:52] <cpk2> thats a bit longer =P
[12:53] <BadRabbit320> joscha so i should use the "apt-get' procedure rather than the "adept mgr"
[12:53] <jende> BadRabbit320: I'd say so
[12:53] <elias_> MistaED: what is Xegl? And I would like to but can't use AIGLX because I have a turbocache card, which don't work right yet with the beta drivers!
[12:54] <joscha> BadRabbit320: no, you can use what you want, when you want to quick install a package apt-get is faster
[12:54] <jende> joscha: apt is just nicer and faster and my darling *ggg*
[12:54] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: I was just saying that using apt-get might make you feel more secure with the command line
[12:54] <MistaED> elias_: ok, Xegl is a future Xgl which isn't really supported at all yet
[12:54] <joscha> i just tried beryl... i need a new computer ;)
[12:55] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: its always a good idea to familiarize yourself with command line, just in case x wont start one day =)
[12:55] <BadRabbit320> joscha ok, so is there a "shorter version of how to find the ones I want, or will the "apt-cache" routine above work?
[12:55] <jende> joscha: beryl just killed recently a friends computer
[12:56] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: apt-cache search iamlookingforthis will work but adept also has a filter if you would rather use that
[12:56] <jende> joscha: it was a bit of a hassle to get that box back to live
[12:56] <elias_> Anyhow, how come XGL works perfectly in dapper but does not work the same way in edgy?
[12:56] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: its all about what you want
[12:57] <cpk2> you could even use synaptic if you wanted to
[12:57] <joscha> just waiting for the memory prices to fall again too buy a new PC
[12:58] <MistaED> elias_: what's different about it?
[12:58] <BadRabbit320> joscha I just REselected the few pkgs I wanted thru adept, but even after clicking "apply changes"; same thing...flash, progress, but nothing new in the programs list...
[12:59] <joscha> are the packages installed? you can see this in adept
[12:59] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: right click on teh kmenu and go to menu editor then save it without doing anything
[12:59] <elias_> MistaED: In dapper XGL+compiz is fast and does not use my CPU in edgy XGL+beryl is slow and makes my CPU go wild!
[12:59] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 wanted diff themes to play around in and a few games (none were in the install)
[01:00] <jende> elias_: these are, AFAIR, known issues with beryl
[01:00] <MistaED> elias_: maybe it's all those bloated plugins enabled in beryl
[01:00] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: none were in the install? what did you just try to install?
[01:01] <cpk2> in the bottom left of adept it says how many is being installed/upgraded/removed btw
[01:01] <jende> !schedule
[01:01] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[01:02] <cpk2> ohh just found out you can search by pointing your browser to apt:/
[01:02] <joscha> cpk2: woooaaahhhh
[01:03] <cpk2> kde only =D
[01:03] <elias_> what should I have under [server-Xgl]  in gdm.conf-custom for nvidia?
[01:04] <cpk2> ok thats it I am getting gdb
[01:04] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 ok, menu editor saved, games showed up, but not themes.
[01:04] <cpk2> i have had it with konq crashing so much
[01:04] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: what kind of themes?
[01:06] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: actually go to kmenu run command... and run kcontrol
[01:06] <pansy> hi fans
[01:07] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: btw remember to save that menu thing everytime you get apps that should show up in the kmenu
[01:07] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 not complete themes, mainly different cursors (I'm legally blind, the cursor that came in kubuntu is hard for me to see/find most of the time)
[01:08] <jende> pansy: howdy
[01:09] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: cursor themes?
[01:09] <cpk2> its in the mouse section
[01:09] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 ok, saving the menu is now in black&white and stuck in my head.
[01:09] <magicmike> Completely new user and completely confused.
[01:09] <jende> magicmike: what confuses you?
[01:10] <cpk2> there is also a zoom app that zooms whatever is around the mouse
[01:10] <magicmike> Just getting started with this op sys. Printer doesn't work, cd drives don't mount, mp3 won't play.
[01:11] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: kmag in utilities in the kmenu
[01:11] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: might interest you?
[01:11] <magicmike> Is the root password the same password you use to log on?
[01:11] <cpk2> magicmike: for mp3
[01:11] <cpk2> oops
[01:11] <iordanis> hello
[01:11] <jende> magicmike: for mp3's you have to have in your sources.list multiverse universe enabled to get the extracodecs
[01:11] <cpk2> for mp3's do apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[01:12] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 i have a cursor i made years ago (in Windows) that I would like to use, but not enough experience in linux to make my own cursor or to transport my old one in to linux
[01:12] <jende> magicmike: next...what printer is it?
[01:13] <jende> magicmike: the root password is usually the same, unless you've changed it
[01:13] <iordanis> newbie here ... need help ... for Kubuntu regarding Greek menu support
[01:13] <magicmike> It's a Lexmark X5250/
[01:13] <iordanis> anyone interested helping me?
[01:13] <iordanis> :D
[01:13] <cpk2> icoutils - Create and extract MS Windows icons and cursors
[01:13] <jende> iordanis: have a look here
[01:13] <jende> !GR
[01:13] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr  #kubuntu-gr     /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[01:13] <jende> magicmike: hold on a sec
[01:14] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: I have no experience with doing that but icoutils would be a good place to start =)
[01:14] <iordanis> #kubuntu-gr den einai kaneis ekei mesa kai esteila emails se olous :P
[01:14] <magicmike> Thanks.
[01:14] <cpk2> big-cursor - larger mouse cursors for X
[01:15] <iordanis> I tried kubuntu-gr but no one is available for help there PLUS I emailed most of them (they have a site named in there) but no reply so far :)
[01:15] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 just did a srch for kmag; not there...
[01:15] <iordanis> I REALLY like to use Kubuntu and I am using it right now ;)
[01:16] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: try sudo apt-get install kmag
[01:16] <iordanis> btw I tried to get updates by using apt-get but nothing happened ...
[01:16] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 ok, trying now...
[01:16] <iordanis> anyone to help this lonely Kubuntu greek user? :(
[01:16] <cpk2> iordanis: I have a feeling  most everyone here doesnt have greek menus...
[01:17] <magicmike> Now I know why Bill Gates is so rich.
[01:17] <jende> magicmike: the 5250 is an allin printer, isn't it and sort of brandnew
[01:17] <iordanis> Bill Gates is SO rich because majority of people are SO poor in computing knowledge
[01:17] <cpk2> iordanis: it would be sudo apt-get update and then after that sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:18] <jende> iordanis: what is the prob, maybe i can help
[01:18] <iordanis> I would like to use Kubuntu with greek menus ... I am fine with english but my father knows only greek :(
[01:18] <magicmike> Only so poor because there is always steps skipped when giving instruction. Like the saying goes, never assume anything.
[01:19] <iordanis> and we plan to use ONLY Kubuntu and not Windows in this family ;)
[01:19] <magicmike> It's a couple years old jende.
[01:19] <cpk2> language-support-el - metapackage for Greek, Modern language support
[01:20] <cpk2> iordanis: try to apt-get install language-support-el
[01:20] <iordanis> aha trying now ! :D
[01:20] <jende> magicmike: okay and what is the prob? It didn't get recognized? or is the prob that you like to use another feature i.e. scanne?
[01:22] <magicmike> It gets recognized, but when it goes to install it only shows drivers for other Lexmark products.
[01:22] <magicmike> The one it recommends does not work with the printer.
[01:22] <iordanis> @cpk2 it keeps telling me unable to locate the package ... btw I added sudo to the command, right?
[01:22] <jende> magicmike: whichone is recommended?
[01:22] <CarD> hello all
[01:22] <magicmike> As far as the Hello.
[01:23] <magicmike> Hello. card
[01:23] <iordanis> hello to all btw :)
[01:23] <CarD> I have a problem whith "shift+backspace" ... how desable this fonction?
[01:23] <CarD> with :(
[01:23] <CarD> sorry
[01:23] <bernabe> hallo
[01:23] <cpk2> iordanis: yes
[01:23] <magicmike> If there are no other users am I by default the root?
[01:23] <jende> magicmike: whichone is recommended?
[01:24] <jende> magicmike: nope, you are default the user
[01:24] <jende> magicmike: to become root you have use sudo <command>
[01:24] <magicmike> The 5000. Okay. Then what is necessary to become the root?
[01:25] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 ok, "sudo apt-get install kmag", hit enter, nothing.  just checked for kmag...not there.
[01:25] <magicmike> Okay. Let me give it a try.
[01:25] <iordanis> @cpk2 bwt I downloaded "file:///home/iordanis/Desktop/language-support-el_6.06+20060529_all.deb" which is using the application (I assume that) Ark to open but it says something about not being in PATH...
[01:25] <jende> magicmike: good example is sudo apt-cache search libxine-extracodecs
[01:25] <jende> magicmike: you'll be asked the for a password
[01:26] <CarD> I have a problem with "shift+backspace" ... how desable this fonction?
[01:26] <cpk2> iordanis: if you want to install that .deb you can but it is probably recommended to use the one from the repos
[01:27] <CarD> please help meeeeeeeeeeeee :)
[01:27] <CarD> I reboot my server X 5 or 6 per days :/
[01:28] <iordanis> @cpk2 well that was a desperate move on my part, let me tell you that ;)
[01:28] <CarD> because "shift+bakspace" on kde
[01:28] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 i put "sudo apt-get install kmag" in the "run" dialog box, correct?
[01:29] <Joel-Wideman> Hi. When I start kicker, I get the "X Error: BadWindow" error and the taskbar disappears. Anyone know what the deal is? The problem appeared to have occured spontaneously.
[01:29] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 without the quotes, of course...
[01:29] <jende> magicmike: what if you select the 5700
[01:29] <jende> magicmike: what if you select the 5700?
[01:29] <magicmike> OOkay jende. I had forgotten that command following the sudo part.  It's installing the extra packages you told me with apt-get install libxine-extracodecs.
[01:29] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: that might work but i would just open konsole from kmenu > system
[01:31] <Windwalker> Anybody printed over xp HOME from kde?
[01:31] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 ok, did i mention I'm blonde, too?
[01:31] <jende> magicmike: the printter should have come along with a Linuxdriver, so why don't you use that one?
[01:32] <magicmike> Okay jende, I'll try the 5700 and see what gives.
[01:32] <jende> magicmike: the printter should have come along with a Linuxdriver, so why don't you use that one?
[01:32] <Joel-Wideman> Windwalker, is there a reason you can't have the linux box be the print server instead?
[01:32] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: just do konsole in the run dialog box =P
[01:32] <Windwalker> nope the printing machine is a terminal server
[01:32] <cpk2> then do sudo apt-get install kmag
[01:32] <magicmike> Let me check myand see if I can find the disc.
[01:32] <iordanis> @cp2k I am guessing here that too many people burning your brain and fingers but I also guess that no one else can help me now :( So, I recap... after typing this "sudo apt-get install language-support-el" on Terminal w/out quotes I get the message that it cannot locate the file ... in E: ???? drive or something? Is it possible that my Kubuntu needs somehow to change this in order to get files from the 'net?
[01:32] <Windwalker> Joel-Wideman: the client is in another town
[01:33] <Windwalker> not for the tests of course but at later moment
[01:33] <iordanis> to be more specific the message is this : "E:      language-support-el"
[01:34] <Windwalker> Gnome has no issues with XP home printing :(
[01:34] <cpk2> iordanis: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:35] <chrisX`> hi, how can i tweak my kubuntu.. at the moment its absolutely standart .. plz give me some tips for more performance :) !
[01:35] <iordanis> how can I do that? my knowledge in Linux is pale to say the least
[01:35] <chrisX`> i am using also i686
[01:35] <cpk2> !pastebin
[01:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:36] <cpk2> iordanis: do "cat /etc/apt/sources.list and post it at that pastebin website
[01:36] <Joel-Wideman> !samba
[01:36] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[01:36] <magicmike> jende, the disc only shows drivers for win 9x and win xp.
[01:37] <Windwalker> anbody made printing from kde to xp home. This is preventing me from migrating to KDE :(
[01:37] <kryptoz> Hi all
[01:37] <Windwalker> hi
[01:37] <magicmike> Hi
[01:38] <kryptoz> have a doubt.. new to *buntu
[01:38] <magicmike> Join the club.
[01:38] <kryptoz> why after me installing KDE the boot up logo says "Kubuntu" ?
[01:38] <chrisX`> hi, how can i tweak my kubuntu.. at the moment its absolutely standart .. plz give me some tips for more performance :) !
[01:38] <iordanis> done!
[01:38] <kryptoz> how do i change it back to Ubuntu ?
[01:38] <iordanis> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27316/
[01:38] <magicmike> Hopefully one day we'll be ble to help other hapless peeps like ourselves.
[01:38] <jende> magicmike: just read it, lexmark took the driver off the discs; even if the announced to ship a linuxdriver with the cd
[01:38] <Joel-Wideman> I don't know what gnome does differently, Windwalker, but you may need to use samba.
[01:39] <chrisX`> kryp: ubuntu with kde is actually kubuntu ^^, why do you install kde on an ubunt
[01:39] <elias_> When I run kde apps on XGL in gnome I have some distortion left of my window buttons on the top right.
[01:39] <chrisX`> kryptoz:
[01:39] <elias_> where does that come from, and how can I get rid of it?
[01:39] <kryptoz> chrisX`: why do i install kde ? cuz kde looks better in my laptop display
[01:39] <Windwalker> I use kde print manager the same way I use gnome's print manager and it will not work untill I do not set permissions on the xp side
[01:40] <kryptoz> but no matter what i choose it always shows Kubuntu logo.
[01:40] <kryptoz> the blue color is not looking good while i boot up/
[01:40] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 from konsole; sudo apt-get install kmag gives a result of: it cannot locate the file ...
[01:40] <chrisX`> kryptoz: ah you want to switch between gnome and kubuntu ? hm
[01:40] <elias_> Ok, it seems to be an unmapped help button (unmapped in the sence of, there is no image for it in the beryl skin)
[01:41] <CarD> I have a problem with "shift+backspace" ... how desable this fonction?
[01:41] <CarD> because "shift+bakspace" on kde
[01:41] <CarD> please help meeeeeeeeeeeee :)
[01:41] <Joel-Wideman> I don't know enough about gnome, but my guess is that it sets up samba for you automatically. KDE does not, AFAIK.
[01:41] <Windwalker> Joel-Wideman: I am using samba of course...but no luck with anonymous or guest logging to xp home
[01:41] <chrisX`> kryptoz:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[01:41] <kryptoz> no no .. when i first installed *buntu. while boot up it shows "Ubuntu" logo with a reddish brown color theme
[01:41] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: try doing "kmag"
[01:41] <Windwalker> I see
[01:41] <Joel-Wideman> Oh, I see....
[01:41] <kryptoz> chrisX`: thanx
[01:41] <cpk2> just plain old kmag
[01:42] <arejaytee> how do i make kubuntu scan for new hardware? if there is such a thing?
[01:42] <Joel-Wideman> if you're already using samba then i'm at a loss, Windwalker
[01:42] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: nevermind I see kmag is in universe
[01:42] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 plain old kmag where?
[01:42] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: in konsole
[01:43] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: but i dont think you will have it =) and arent we getting sidetracked from getting your mouse cursor imported? =P
[01:43] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 universe doesn't show in my repositories list...
[01:43] <iordanis> @cpk2 this is the link for my pastebin, no? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27316/
[01:43] <Windwalker> youp I am using sambe and KDE print manager offers me to choose from anonymous, guest and some account, but none of the three will let XP spool correctly under HOME
[01:43] <Windwalker> :(
[01:43] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 will try it in konsole
[01:44] <Joel-Wideman> but gnome doesn't have that problem?
[01:44] <Windwalker> at all
[01:44] <Windwalker> printed to more than 5 different printers from Dapper 6.06
[01:44] <iordanis> @cp2k from what I get I must clear the "#" infront of the lines or some lines in that sources.list in order to access the internet for updates?
[01:44] <cpk2> iordanis: exactly! =)
[01:45] <iordanis> so what do I clear? :P
[01:45] <iordanis> all? OO :$
[01:45] <Windwalker> I used Kubuntu 6.10 a month ago for similar test over XP pro and everything was OK only after I set user permissions on the XP pro side
[01:45] <cpk2> #deb http://gr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted and #deb http://gr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted should get you what you want
[01:45] <cpk2> so delete the # from those 2
[01:45] <iordanis> aha trying ;)
[01:45] <arejaytee> ive got a wireless pcmia card but its not picking it up
[01:45] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 "kmag' in konsole results in "command not found..."
[01:45] <cpk2> iordanis: do kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:46] <jende> magicmike: bad news for you
[01:46] <magicmike> Stupid question #1 What is this sources.list and where do you find it?
[01:46] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: its not installed =)
[01:46] <Joel-Wideman> ah ha... then i would say it's not kde, but your particular setup this time around, Windwalker
[01:46] <jende> magicmike: the soources list is in /etc/apt
[01:46] <jende> magicmike: the sources list is in /etc/apt
[01:46] <Windwalker> Joel-Wideman: what do you mean I tried all three choices without any positive result
[01:47] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: ok if you want kmag (which enlarges a section of the screen that your mouse is over) you will need to enable the universe repository
[01:47] <Windwalker> where am I wrong?
[01:47] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 so...find it in adept and try it since sudo apt-get didn't work?
[01:47] <jende> magicmike: you printer should work either wit the 5000 or 5700 driver iif it doesn't...errm...you'll be screwed with this printer
[01:47] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: adept is the same as apt-get
[01:47] <magicmike> Stupid question #2 How do you get to it?
[01:47] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: one second let me fire up adept to see how to add repos for it
[01:47] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 ok
[01:48] <jende> magicmike: what do you want to do with the sources.list?
[01:48] <magicmike> Okay. I just install the 5700 and am going toi try to print.
[01:48] <cpk2> magicmike: if you want to edit it do kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list from a command line
[01:48] <Joel-Wideman> If I understand you correctly, Windwalker, you used kubuntu to print a month ago, but this time around you can't. Is the windows box set up differently?
[01:48] <arejaytee> whats the shortcut to get the kill command so u can click on a program to kill it
[01:49] <iordanis> @cp2k do I have to restart or something?
[01:49] <cpk2> iordanis: do sudo apt-get update
[01:49] <Windwalker> nope I said a month ago I printed successfully over xp PRO and now I am trying the same thing over HOME. As I said PRO refused to print unless there are share permissions on at least one folder. You know user+password
[01:50] <cpk2> iordanis: then try to install the language pack again
[01:50] <magicmike> Just trying to learn this op sys and anything that has to do with it. I downloaded some tarballs (firewall, java, etc) and need to install them. Do I have to create a directory or folder for each?
[01:50] <Administrator> hello I installed a new kernel version 2.6.15 but when I boot it doesn see my network card anymore
[01:50] <jende> magicmike: nope
[01:50] <iordanis> @cpk2 u rock man! it seems to be working ;)
[01:50] <Windwalker> under Home I cannot set permission if you are familiar with HOME
[01:50] <cpk2> magicmike: you can apt-get java and firewall apps
[01:50] <Joel-Wideman> Ah ha!
[01:50] <Windwalker> stupid but fact...:(
[01:50] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: alright go to view and then manage repositories
[01:50] <jende> magicmike: you didn't have zo download tars at all; you may want to do that using apt
[01:50] <SlimG> Anyone?: i've unpacked a *.deb with ARK, is there a command to repack the folder to a *.deb?
[01:51] <iordanis> and just noticed (how dumb can I be? :P) that I was writing ur name wrong :P ;)))) cpk2 ;)))
[01:51] <frederix51> Installed KUBUNTU on a DUAL CORE P2,8 (820;smithfield), together with WIN XP SP2,DUAL BOOT, 2 hd's, problems with loading pages, they are too fast timed out,  so I have to constantly RELOAD, a page.Who knows a solution, NOT a experienced LINUX USER, just trying out and being enthousiastic, about it.
[01:51] <Windwalker> Joel-Wideman: can you suggest something?
[01:51] <Administrator> hello I installed a new kernel version 2.6.15 but when I boot it doesn see my network card anymore
[01:51] <Joel-Wideman> Now, can you use gnome to print on xp home without setting the permission?
[01:51] <Windwalker> aha
[01:51] <Windwalker> no problem at all as I said
[01:51] <cpk2> iordanis: its been showing up cpk2 this whole time for me =)
[01:51] <jende> Administrator: try in a console sudo ifconfig
[01:52] <magicmike> I downloaded the one for java because the auto install wouldn't work and I followed the instructions on their page.
[01:52] <Windwalker> just using the anonymous way like in Gnome, but the file is spooled in XP home and then halts there
[01:52] <Administrator> jende, yes it only shows lo
[01:52] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: then anything that has a universe in its line right click it and select enable (you dont need ones that say deb-src at the far left though)
[01:52] <iordanis> hehe thanx mate!
[01:52] <jende> Administrator: what NIC is it? is the NIC recogniced at all? se sudo lspci
[01:52] <jende> Administrator: what NIC is it? is the NIC recogniced at all? use sudo lspci
[01:53] <iordanis> cpk2 is THE man for the job! :D I just hope that someone is paying him VERY good ;))) :$
[01:53] <Windwalker> Joel-Wideman: Thank you for your time I contunue a little more with gnome until i find some solution for this prob
[01:53] <Joel-Wideman> so, basically, gnome lets you print as a guest, whereas kde doesn't, is what seems to be the heart of it. I bet there's a solution, but I don't know it.
[01:53] <jende> magicmike: type in a console sudo apt-cache search java
[01:53] <Administrator> jende, yes a via tech vt6102 rhine-II
[01:53] <Windwalker> I googled, but nothing reasonable yet
[01:54] <iordanis> will get back in ... bye for now :)
[01:54] <jende> Administrator: is that what lspci gave you as an ouput?
[01:55] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 ok, it will take me a min, there are a few highlighted, but finding universe will take me a bit(the poor vision thing)
[01:55] <Joel-Wideman> if it were possible, i'd try getting xp pro on that windows box :D
[01:55] <jende> magicmike: for a firewall you may want to uuse this: sudo apt-get install kmyfirewall
[01:55] <Windwalker> :)
[01:55] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: the column furthest right has whether it says universe or not
[01:55] <Windwalker> pay Microsoft no way!
[01:56] <Windwalker> Joel-Wideman: I will write a few thousand e-mail to kdeprint team :)
[01:56] <cpk2> magicmike: configuring a firewall can be a tricky thing
[01:56] <jende> Administrator: still there?
[01:57] <waspius> hello i just installed gnome on my pc and i was wondering whether gnome uses less resources than kde?
[01:57] <Windwalker> Joel-Wideman: Bye and take care
[01:57] <Joel-Wideman> see ya
[01:57] <Windwalker> waspius: on the contrary!
[01:57] <magicmike> Thanks jende. How do you find all of these applications so you don't have to download tarballs and can install them in this fashion?
[01:57] <jende> magicmike: most KDE apps are listed on www.kde.org
[01:58] <Joel-Wideman> waspius, it's like emacs vs vi
[01:58] <Joel-Wideman> with gnome being the emacs
[01:58] <cpk2> magicmike: apt-cache search helps too =)
[01:58] <waspius> Windwalker: well i dont know but it seems to run faster than kde..i also installed enlightenment but it needs allot of work
[01:58] <Joel-Wideman> gnome can do wonderful things, like using up all resources :D
[01:58] <arejaytee> how do i make kubuntu scan for new hardware? if there is such a thing? ive got a wireless pcmia card but nothing happening when i plug it in
[01:59] <Administrator> jende yes
[01:59] <Administrator> jende, yes a via tech vt6102 rhine-II
[01:59] <Administrator> jende, yes a via tech vt6102 rhine-II
[01:59] <cpk2> magicmike: apt-cache search firewall gives me a few apps i can see that you might be interested in =)
[01:59] <Administrator> jende yes lspci gave me that
[01:59] <jende> magicmike: as Linux is a package based system one package may have deendencies to other packages and once you install them with, i.e. apt, it shows you if there are depencies which aren't met
[01:59] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 1st universe listed says "## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security."
[01:59] <Joel-Wideman> arejaytee, what card is it? it might not be supported yet
[02:00] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: hehe ok well below that there should be one that begins with deb you want all the universe ones that begin with deb
[02:00] <jende> Administrator: hold on, will have a look ath this card on the net
[02:00] <arejaytee> adept is a good manager to use magicmike search on name of programs
[02:00] <arejaytee> netgear wg511 v2
[02:00] <waspius> Joel-Wideman: i love using kde..but i want to use a desktop that will not use allot of resources and will run fine on my laptop..i dont like it when things go slow
[02:01] <magicmike> Cool jende. One question after I installed kmyfirewall, where do I go to configure it?
[02:01] <cpk2> waspius: maybe you would be interested in xfce
[02:01] <cpk2> or fluxbox
[02:02] <Joel-Wideman> waspius, so you want something with a smaller footprint than kde? xfce is probably a good choice
[02:02] <Sikon> is it possible to make pressing the mouse wheel do what it does in Windows?
[02:02] <Sikon> namely, scrolling?
[02:02] <Joel-Wideman> or do without x window altogether
[02:03] <Joel-Wideman> Sikon, you mean where you hold the button down and drag the page up and down?
[02:03] <Sikon> yes
[02:03] <jende> Administrator: check in /etc/modules if there is the appropriate module listed. The module you're looking for is via_rhine
[02:03] <waspius> cpk2: i have tried fluxbox but i dont like the fact that i need to configure it all..i mean that when i installed gnome all my icons ans settings are on my desktop...when i installed fluxbox i need to make new folders etc
[02:04] <cpk2> waspius: then try xfce
[02:04] <jende> magicmike: don't know...I have a dedicated Firewall installed, so not a desktop one, but I'll have a quick look
[02:04] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 ok, enabled them
[02:04] <waspius> cpk2: ok i will thanx
[02:05] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: now close adept and try sudo apt-get install kmag (hopefully konsole is still open)
[02:06] <jende> Administrator: is the module in there?
[02:06] <Administrator> jende, the module is loaded
[02:07] <waspius> can i get xfce through konsole?
[02:08] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 ->-> Couldn't find package kmag <-<-
[02:08] <jende> Administrator: is it just there or is it loaded; try to make suure it is loaded sudo modprobe via_rhine
[02:08] <Joel-Wideman> waspius, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/xubuntu
[02:08] <jende> magicmike: kmyfirewall comes up with the configuration menu here
[02:09] <magicmike> What configuration menu?
[02:10] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: alright time to stop being nice with the guis =) use pastebin to paste the output you get from doing cat /etc/apt/sources.list in a console
[02:10] <cpk2> !pastebin
[02:10] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:10] <Joel-Wideman> magicmike, just be careful with the rulesets. It's equally easy to either exclude the world, or allow it.
[02:10] <cpk2> konsole = console
[02:10] <jende> magicmike: if you start kmyfirewall from the menu it pops up with the config GUI
[02:11] <waspius> Joel-Wideman: thanx
[02:11] <jende> magicmike: where are you from?
[02:12] <magicmike> Pennsylvania. I don't see it listed anywhere in the menu.
[02:12] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: i just realized I made a mistake, you need to do "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get install kmag" should work
[02:12] <Sikon> I also noticed that, in general, GTK apps render faster than Qt apps
[02:12] <magicmike> Naw, I don't want to cut off the world.
[02:12] <Joel-Wideman> magicmike, me too :D
[02:13] <jende> magicmike: that might be, because it comes from the deb-repos, so will have to update the men;which is easy type sudo apt-get install menus
[02:13] <Sikon> for example, gnome-terminal and Nautilus render much faster than Konsole and Konqueror respectively
[02:13] <jende> cpk2: sleep well, buddy
[02:13] <jende> magicmike: after that you'll type sudo update-menus
[02:14] <cpk2> jende: cant leave BadRabbit320 hanging, i think he will be set after an update install, then i will get a paultry 4-5 hours of sleep
[02:14] <Joel-Wideman> When I start kicker, I get the "X Error: BadWindow" error and the taskbar disappears. Anyone know what the deal is? The problem appeared to have occured spontaneously.
[02:14] <magicmike> E: Couldn't find package menus is the reply.
[02:14] <jende> magicmike: pastebin your sources.list
[02:14] <jende> !pastebin
[02:14] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:14] <cpk2> magicmike: are you trying to update your kmenu?
[02:14] <BadRabbit320> cpk2  before that; just went into adept mgr to be sure thge universe repositories were enabled, but they are not listed in the "manage repositories" list anymore!
[02:14] <jende> cpk2: yep, he is
[02:15] <jende> jende: I'll watch him...;-)
[02:15] <magicmike> Yo joel, what part?
[02:15] <cpk2> magicmike: right click the kmenu then choose menu editor then save it
[02:15] <Sikon> is there something I can do to accelerate Qt/KDE app rendering?
[02:16] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: well sources.list will tells us whats going on then
[02:16] <jende> Administrator: is the module loaded or not
[02:16] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 ok, trying the update, then kmag routine.  get some sleep, I have plenty of time on my side.  vthanks for helping!
[02:16] <cpk2> and excuse my disintegrating spelling and grammar
[02:16] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: nah I'm a college student, we dont believe in sleep =)
[02:17] <cpk2> and thursday is the new friday in college!
[02:17] <jende> magicmike: once you have pasted your sources.list to pastebin post the given URL in here
[02:17] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 np with your smelling, and i DON'T even know your gramma...
[02:17] <magicmike> Okay alacarte menu editor comes up. Do I add a new entry or add a new menu?
[02:17] <cpk2> magicmike: just save it
[02:17] <Joel-Wideman> Sikon, besides faster video card?
[02:17] <cpk2> magicmike: save it without doing anything
[02:18] <Sikon> I have GeForce 6600GT, I think it's fast enough
[02:18] <Sikon> and as I said, GTK apps render fast
[02:19] <cpk2> Sikon: funny the only apps i have problems with are gtk apps
[02:19] <Sikon> for example, MC refreshes the screen almost instantly in gnome-terminal, but it noticeably lags in Konsole
[02:20] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 ok, update says "Done".  now get kmag?
[02:20] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: yes
[02:21] <magicmike> I saw nothing there that referred to a firewall.
[02:21] <Joel-Wideman> How noticable?
[02:21] <cpk2> magicmike: saving the menu editor will update your kmenu
[02:21] <jende> magicmike: and it will not...just post yoour soources.list
[02:21] <jende> magicmike: and it will not...just post yoour sources.list to pastebin
[02:21] <jende> !pastebin
[02:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:22] <Sikon> it takes about half second to render the screen top-to-bottom
[02:22] <cpk2> magicmike: after you save it an app you just installed will show up in the kmenu if its supposed to be in there
[02:22] <Sikon> also, when I scroll the Konsole window, the entire screen is redrawn and it visibly lags as well
[02:22] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 AGAIN...couldn't find package kmag
[02:22] <magicmike> Nothing new there except root terminal which I just added to make sure I was in the right place.
[02:23] <jende> magicmike: your sources.list will need some modification to get the firewall in the menu, okay
[02:23] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: alright in konsole do cat /etc/apt/sources.list and then go to  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org and paste the output there and post he url in here
[02:23] <Administrator> jende it is loaded
[02:23] <magicmike> Explain that sourses.list again and how to access it.
[02:23] <cpk2> magicmike: follow the directions i gave BadRabbit320
[02:23] <Administrator> jende the computer is accros the room so that is why i am replying so lately
[02:23] <magicmike> okay
[02:24] <jende> Administrator: and a ifconfig didn't gave you a device "eth0"?
[02:24] <frederix51> Bye bye
[02:24] <Joel-Wideman> That's weird, Sikon. It really shouldn't do that.
[02:24] <jende> Administrator: it just gave you a "lo"?
[02:25] <Sikon> the problem disappears in Xgl+Beryl
[02:25] <Sikon> but is present with Beryl+nvidiaglx
[02:26] <cpk2> Sikon: my konsole has 1000 line history and it doesnt need to redraw when scrolling...
[02:26] <Sikon> do you have NVIDIA or ATI?
[02:26] <cpk2> nvidia 6600 =)
[02:27] <Sikon> hmm
[02:27] <Sikon> weird indeed
[02:27] <Joel-Wideman> same card
[02:27] <cpk2> but using vanilla kubuntu
[02:27] <Sikon> it lags in "vanilla" Kubuntu as well
[02:27] <Sikon> if you mean plain X.org + kwin by that
[02:27] <magicmike> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27319/
[02:27] <cpk2> yes using "nvidia" driver though
[02:28] <Sikon> same
[02:28] <dude> is there a crash recovery tool for kubuntu?
[02:28] <Sikon> ok, restarting X
[02:28] <cpk2> dude: the install cd
[02:29] <dude> cpk2: how do i use that in case my system crash
[02:30] <cpk2> dude: come in here with the livecd and ask for help =P
[02:30] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 kubuntu is running on the other machine; ur instructions above say to paste the url in here...i'm thinking it has to be posted from the kub machine...if i do that i won't be able to read anything because i can't be logged in 2 places at once...
[02:30] <Joel-Wideman> if his system crashes, likely he can't come in here :D
[02:30] <cpk2> dude: hehe, i think the install cd will give you an emergency terminal
[02:31] <Joel-Wideman> Yes, it does
[02:31] <jende> magicmike: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27320/
[02:31] <iordanis> @cpk2 : I just wanted to let you know man that YOU rule!
[02:31] <iordanis> it worked like a charm :)
[02:31] <iordanis> I can read almost anything in greek
[02:31] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: you should be able to write down/memorize the link since it is just  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org and then 5 digits after that
[02:31] <iordanis> my dad is pleased and so am I
[02:32] <cpk2> iordanis: glad to hear the language pack works
[02:32] <iordanis> Thanks man and you just converted two more people into Kubuntu and bye bye Windows ;D
[02:32] <iordanis> thanks thanks thanks ;)
[02:32] <jende> iordanis: good
[02:32] <Joel-Wideman> i've only had to use the disk tools once in about 7 years of running linux with about half a dozen different distros, and that one was a noted unstable kernel
[02:33] <apokryphos> iordanis: poli orea ;-)
[02:33] <iordanis> keep up the great job and here is wishing that we will have to say more in the future :D
[02:33] <iordanis> hehe @apokryphos
[02:33] <Joel-Wideman> you have little to worry about, dude
[02:33] <jende> magicmike: did you have a look at it and saw te difference?
[02:33] <iordanis> bye to all ... going to use / check / see my new OS a bit more ;)
[02:33] <apokryphos> enjoy =)
[02:33] <jende> iordanis: have fun
[02:34] <magicmike> No I don't.
[02:35] <jende> magicmike: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27320/
[02:36] <jende> magicmike: now you did?
[02:37] <BadRabbit320> cpk2 pasted, reading screen now
[02:38] <magicmike> They both say the same thing. Even if I did see a difference I have no idea what to do with it.
[02:38] <cpk2> BadRabbit320: ok, i can wait a little longer then =)
[02:39] <cpk2> magicmike: pay attention to the #'s
[02:39] <shadowhywind> does anyone know of a way to to manually set an ip with dhcpcd?
[02:39] <jende> magicmike: the two don't say the same, as in 27320 quite a few hashes have gone
[02:40] <cpk2> shadowhywind: err dont use dhcpd?
[02:40] <jende> magicmike: what you do now is that you open the sources.list in "kate" using kdesu kate /etc7apt/sources.list and delete the hashes accordingly to 27320
[02:40] <jende> magicmike: what you do now is that you open the sources.list in "kate" using kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list and delete the hashes accordingly to 27320
[02:40] <jende> magicmike: then save it
[02:40] <shadowhywind> if i just sue say ifconfig wlan0 <ip> i can't connect..
[02:40] <shadowhywind> sue = say*
[02:41] <shadowhywind> sue = use * lol can't spell today.. lol
[02:41] <cpk2> shadowhywind: what are you trying to connect to?
[02:41] <dude> joel-wideman: my system crashed 2X
[02:41] <shadowhywind> my wireless router.. dhcpcd connects, and works perfect i just want to change the ip addy
[02:42] <jende> magicmike: and put a multiverse before the lines where iit says universe
[02:42] <misa> pls, can you help me... i want to get some help win man command with C functions, how can i access it??
[02:42] <jende> magicmike: and put a multiverse before universe, where it just says universe; so it should say multiverse universe
[02:42] <jende> magicmike: sorry, I forgot that
[02:43] <cpk2> shadowhywind: i found for some reason the gui usually gives me better results with my wireless...
[02:43] <shadowhywind> which gui? and does it work with wpa_supplicant?
[02:43] <jende> cpk2: there was something re the KWifimanager, wasn't there?
[02:43] <magicmike> I don't have a kate on my menu.
[02:43] <misa> pls.help..
[02:44] <jende> magicmike: so use KEdit
[02:45] <cpk2> i just use the system settings > network settings gui
[02:45] <cpk2> but i need to go to sleep
[02:45] <apokryphos> ....or just alt+f2 -> kate
[02:45] <cpk2> so good night
[02:45] <misa> can someone help me?
[02:45] <jende> magicmike: cpk2good night
[02:46] <jende> cpk2: good night! til 2morrow?
[02:46] <apokryphos> !helpme
[02:46] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:46] <magicmike> No kedit either.
[02:46] <apokryphos> magicmike: alt+f 2 -> kate
[02:46] <apokryphos> *alt+f2
[02:47] <jende> magicmike: alt+F2 and then type kdesu kedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:47] <cpk2> jende: hrmm by the time I have time to use the computer I will prbably be on my way to my girlfriends, which means no irc till monday probably! =D
[02:47] <jende> cpk2: lucky you
[02:47] <jende> cpk2: go to sleep now
[02:48] <Joel-Wideman> dude, define "crash"
[02:48] <magicmike> Thanks for the help. This is like some puzzle and I'm not good with puzzles.
[02:48] <jende> magicmike: press the keys ALT+F2 together and a lil window will popup
[02:49] <jende> magicmike: that works, doesn't it
[02:49] <magicmike> I downlaoded the stuff as a text file and it comes up as plain-kate.
[02:49] <jende> magicmike: noone said anything tat you should download the file
[02:49] <jende> magicmike: noone said anything that you should download the file
[02:50] <jende> magicmike: just follow our instructions you'll be fine in a few mins
[02:50] <magicmike> Only way I could try to read to see if there were any differences as you mentioned.
[02:51] <jende> magicmike: however, just press ALT+F2 <- the function key not the chars and a window will po up
[02:52] <magicmike> Yea, I know.
[02:52] <jende> magicmike: have it
[02:52] <magicmike> Run application window opens.
[02:52] <joscha> i have two soundcards in my system (using alsa), does anybody know how to make soundcard#1 the default soundcard in also (aka hw0)?
[02:52] <jende> magicmike: in there type kdesu kedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:53] <jende> magicmike: kedit will then open your sources.list
[02:53] <magicmike> Command not found.
[02:53] <jende> magicmike: try kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:54] <magicmike> What's next?
[02:55] <jende> magicmike: it's open?
[02:55] <magicmike> After typing my password it disappeared from view.
[02:56] <jende> magicmike: is kate open?
[02:56] <magicmike> Okay, I have sources.list - kate
[02:57] <jende> magicmike: okay, now go to line 10; is there a hash#?If so, delete it
[02:58] <jende> magicmike: next line is 19 check that and go to the position where it says UNIVERSE
[02:58] <jende> magicmike: and write i front of universe multiverse
[02:58] <jende> magicmike: so it says multiverse universe
[02:58] <Xzanron> how do I force an unlock on apt-get?
[02:58] <jende> magicmike: have that?
[02:59] <jende> magicmike: hello?
[03:00] <jende> magicmike: ping
[03:01] <jende> magicmike: still there???
[03:01] <magicmike> Line 19 only has ##team in it.
[03:01] <Jucato> in my country a "magic mike" is a microphone that you can plug into a TV to let you sing video karaoke songs...
[03:02] <jende> magicmike: it's line 20 then
[03:02] <magicmike> Which line with universe do you mean?
[03:02] <jende> magicmike: we'll make it step by step, line for line...no rush...okay
[03:03] <jende> magicmike: this is how line 20 should look like -> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper multiverse universe
[03:03] <Jucato> (or "universe multiverse")
[03:03] <jende> Jucato: hehehe
[03:03] <jende> Jucato: how are ya?
[03:03] <magicmike> IOkay got it.
[03:03] <BonBonTheJon_> Xzanron: try 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[03:04] <Jucato> thought I was dying... :(
[03:04] <magicmike> Save?
[03:04] <jende> magicmike: now go to line 29 and 30 and do the same...delete the hashes and add multiverse
[03:04] <jende> Jucato: that bad?
[03:04] <admin__> can anyone suggest a systeminfo script for konversation ( kubuntu 6.06)
[03:04] <Jucato> jende: well very bad until I fell asleep...
[03:05] <Jucato> admin__: isn't there one already?
[03:05] <admin__> inbuilt ?
[03:05] <Jucato>  /sysinfo iirc
[03:05] <admin__> :o
[03:05] <joscha> /exec sysinfo
[03:05] <magicmike> Already says universe multiverse. Should I reverse the order of the wording?
[03:05] <admin__> awesome
[03:05] <admin__>  thats how much of a newb i am
[03:05] <jende> magicmike: nope, just delete the hashes
[03:05] <admin__> thx a lot
[03:05] <Jucato> well, no need for the /exec since it's aliased to /sysinfo
[03:05] <BonBonTheJon_> Sysinfo for 'lappy': Linux 2.6.15-27-386 running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Intel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.80GHz at 2791 MHz (5591 bogomips), , RAM: 435/440MB, 125 proc's, 2.14d up
[03:06] <jende> magicmike: delete, if neccessary, the hash of line 33
[03:06] <jende> magicmike: delete, if neccessary, the hash of line 33 and of 35,36,37,38
[03:07] <magicmike> done
[03:07] <jende> magicmike: no save it,
[03:07] <jende> magicmike: and open a conole
[03:07] <magicmike> Already open
[03:08] <jende> magicmike: using ALT+F2; in the console you type sudo apt-get update
[03:08] <jende> Jucato: hehe I had some fun last night...
[03:09] <Jucato> ??
[03:09] <jende> Jucato: my girl came around...*ggg*...that was nice
[03:09] <Jucato> heheh good for you
[03:10] <magicmike> Run in konsole on or using that alt F2 run app box?
[03:10] <jende> run sudo in console
[03:11] <fildo> whats sudo
[03:11] <jende> Jucato: yep, it was more than just good
[03:11] <fildo> ;)
[03:11] <Jucato> lol
[03:11] <magicmike> IT says it's done.
[03:11] <jende> magicmike: now sudo apt-get dist upgrade
[03:11] <Jucato> errr
[03:12] <Jucato> "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[03:12] <magicmike> E: Invalid operation dist
[03:12] <jende> magicmike: now sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:12] <Jucato> :P
[03:12] <jende> magicmike: just typed to fast
[03:12] <jende> Jucato: *grrrrrrrrr*
[03:13] <Jucato> jende was trying to make sure no one would give the command before him :)
[03:13] <jende> Jucato: nooooooo, I wasn't
[03:13] <davide> hi boys
[03:13] <davide> can i ask for an help please?
[03:14] <magicmike> What all is it doing? Do I have to go back and do all those other things we worked on earlier since it wasn't updating like it should when we tried before.
[03:14] <jende> magicmike: nope, no worries
[03:14] <jende> magicmike: it's all good
[03:14] <Jucato> davide: ask away. if someone knows the answer, they'll answer
[03:15] <admin__> can someone help me install firefox 2
[03:16] <jende> magicmike: and once that upgrade process has finished, type sudo apt-get install menus
[03:16] <jende> magicmike: and once that has finished you type sudo update-menus
[03:16] <magicmike> Cool. I will. Is there a newsreader that can be installed that decodes nzb files?
[03:17] <jende> magicmike: then have a look at the "debian" section in your menu, go to Application->Network and see if kmyfirewall is there
[03:17] <magicmike> Still updating.
[03:17] <jende> magicmike: if not, which I don't think, you have to install it unfortunately once more using sudo apt-get install kmyfirewall
[03:18] <jende> magicmike: I don't use newsreaders, so I'm clueless
[03:18] <PegHorse> re les amis :)
[03:18] <PegHorse> Jsuis sous Kubuntu
[03:18] <magicmike> I'll let you know when I'm done.
[03:18] <PegHorse> :)
[03:18] <magicmike> Thanks.
[03:18] <jende> PegHorse: huh??
[03:19] <jende> magicmike: no worries, I told you we'll get you there
[03:19] <Jucato> !fr
[03:19] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:19] <jende> magicmike: another important thing is to read the man page for apt-therefor type in aconsole: man apt
[03:20] <arejaytee> i love yakuake so cs feeling lol
[03:21] <wily> ciao ragazzi
[03:22] <wily> ho un problema connettendo kubuntu e winzzoz
[03:22] <wily> o meglio winzooz non vede il mio kubuntu
[03:22] <Jucato> !it
[03:22] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:23] <jende> !sp
[03:23] <ubotu> sp: James Clark's SGML parsing tools. In component main, is optional. Version 1.3.4-1.2.1-46ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 169 kB, installed size 592 kB
[03:23] <jende> !es
[03:23] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[03:24] <Jucato> jende: that was Italian, afaik. Spanish doesn't have a "ciao"
[03:24] <jende> Jucato: i didnt get the ciao?ooops
[03:24] <Jucato> hehe :)
[03:24] <Jucato> need more coffee?
[03:24] <jende> Jucato: yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees...urgently
[03:26] <jende> Jucato: I'll get some now to make sure ... you know...*ggg*
[03:26] <Jucato> hehe
[03:29] <jende> Jucato: I'm back with some black gold...
[03:30] <jende> Jucato: have you ever migrated a server from SBS2K to an Ubuntu or Debian Server?
[03:30] <Jucato> jende: err... /me doesn't even know how to run one :P
[03:30] <jende> Jucato: what
[03:30] <jende> Jucato: what?
[03:31] <Jucato> I don't know how to run a server, much less migrate...
[03:31] <davide_> hey guys,was someone able to install a printer "canon i250" ???
[03:31] <jende> Jucato: okay...could've been...
[03:32] <JosefK> assuming you're running services like MySQL/Apache/Oracle they all have their own processes for migrating data
[03:32] <JosefK> as for the server, you're bringing that up from cold :)
[03:33] <jende> davide_: there is a canon driver available in australia: http://www.canon.com.au/products/printers/colour_bj_printers/i250_drivers.html
[03:34] <jende> JosefK: No they don't run MySQl/Apache or Oracle
[03:35] <jende> JosefK: They#re using the server as yet for some resons just to shre their juridictive databases and they run on Lnux as well
[03:35] <JosefK> okay jende, what's the intended use for the server?
[03:35] <ubuntu_> hy
[03:36] <davide_> jende i tried but it doesn't function
[03:36] <jende> JosefK: the database they use is a serverbased application which runs either on SBS's or Debian-based Servers. The intend to change are the license costs and that if they
[03:37] <jende> JosefK: not change they have to buy a new server to fulfill the SBS2003 Hardware requirements
[03:37] <JosefK> if it's intended for Debian mostly there shouldn't be a problem, and indeed, it's nice to pick people up in Linux because of obsene HW requirements
[03:38] <jende> JosefK: exactly, and I'm happy to convince people using Linux rather than W$
[03:38] <davide_> the problem is that i'm unable to convert rpm in deb
[03:38] <davide_> i downloaded ALIEN
[03:38] <jende> davide_: read man alien
[03:38] <davide_> but the conversion dooesn't happen
[03:38] <jende> davide_: it tells you all you need to know: man alien
[03:39] <davide_> but
[03:39] <davide_> where is?
[03:39] <JosefK> jende: if it's for a server, while Ubuntu's nice, support licenses may dictate they run in Debian - that's up to the vendor, same for the migration docs for their database
[03:39] <davide_> is him an user?
[03:40] <JosefK> man = documentation.  ie. 'man ls'
[03:40] <JosefK> manual pages
[03:41] <jende> davide_: you'll have to be in a console
[03:41] <Jucato> actually, you don't :)
[03:41] <Jucato> man:/ in Konqueror does the same thing
[03:41] <Jucato> man:/alien for example
[03:41] <davide_> ok
[03:41] <davide_> now i test
[03:41] <jende> JosefK: you're talking now about the discussions re Jrg Schilling and CDDL vs GPL
[03:42] <JosefK> :P unfortunately not, I mean the Database Vendor may only offer support on Debian
[03:42] <jende> Jucato: I knew you'll come with konqi
[03:42] <Jucato> hrh
[03:42] <JosefK> it's worth consulting them before you get it running on Ubuntu anyway, in case you get a shock the first time you need support
[03:42] <davide_> it's written that it doesn't exist "man:/alien"
[03:42] <jende> JosefK: no, they're happy with Ubuntu as well
[03:43] <JosefK> oh, in that case go ahead :) you only mentioned SBS/Debian before
[03:43] <Jucato> davide_: in Konqueror?
[03:43] <davide_> nono
[03:43] <jende> they support debian and Ubuntiu, which is just AWESOME!!!
[03:43] <davide_> in console
[03:43] <JosefK> indeed, that's pretty good :)
[03:43] <Jucato> davide_: if you run it in Konsole, it's supposed to be "man alien". man:/ works only in Konqueror
[03:44] <jende> Jucato: now you've confused him...hehehe
[03:44] <Jucato> lol
[03:44] <jende> Jucato: hehe...it wasn't me this time
[03:44] <Jucato> fine fine :)
[03:44] <jende> Jucato: lol
[03:45] <waylandbill> hmm... didn't know konq supported man:/    My new thing for the day I guess.
[03:45] <davide_> ah ok
[03:45] <davide_> thank you
[03:45] <JosefK> I hear it does info:/ too wayland :)
[03:45] <Jucato> waylandbill: you might be interested in apt:/ as well
[03:45] <davide_> i 'm able to read
[03:45] <waylandbill> apt:/ I knew of
[03:45] <Jucato> I do hope that SUSE's sysinfo:/ makes its way too .deb soon
[03:45] <Eddy> hi what is name of the screenshot in KDE ?
[03:46] <Jucato> KSnapshot
[03:46] <jende> Eddy: knsnapshoot
[03:46] <Jucato> !ksnapshot
[03:46] <ubotu> ksnapshot: screenshot utility for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 146 kB, installed size 404 kB
[03:46] <Jucato> don't shoot :P
[03:47] <fildo> lol
[03:47] <Eddy> but how do i install KSnapshot
[03:47] <jende> davide_: the command should be, AFAIR, simply sudo alien <filename.rpm>
[03:47] <Jucato> Eddy: it's already installed there
[03:47] <fildo>  > sudo apt-get install knsapshit
[03:47] <Jucato> KSnapshot comes with every standard install of Kubuntu, or KDE for that matter
[03:47] <jende> fildo: menat ksnapshot instead of shit
[03:47] <Eddy> thx i am on FLuxbox
[03:47] <jende> fildo: meant ksnapshot instead of shit
[03:48] <ubuntu__> Hello, I got a trouble, Now I am in a Live CD, because I cannot start my kubuntu, I got the login page , but even though I wirte my password down, nothing happend, It returns to the login page, what can I do_, I can go cosole, but don-t know what to do there either
[03:48] <fildo> opps
[03:48] <fildo> didnt noticethat .. haha
[03:48] <Jucato> Eddy: you installed Fluxbox on top of Kubuntu? anyway "sudo apt-get install ksnapshot" if it's really not yet installed
[03:49] <jende> fildo: but Ksnapshit could be a nice app, once a day
[03:49] <jende> ubuntu__: start in a recovery mode
[03:49] <Jucato> except that...
[03:49] <Jucato> !language
[03:49] <fildo> lol
[03:49] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:49] <wily> hi all
[03:50] <wily> i've a problem with my windows lan
[03:50] <wily> that can't see my kubuntu
[03:50] <wily> anyone can help me?=
[03:50] <jende> ubuntu__: then check if your root partition has been mounted; using the command mount
[03:50] <ubuntu__> jende. how
[03:50] <JosefK> wily: are you running samba?  'sudo apt-get install samba'
[03:50] <Eddy> no i isntall thats on ubuntu but i like ksnapshot
[03:51] <magicmike> Gotta reboot. Be right back.
[03:51] <wily> yes
[03:51] <jende> ubuntu__: start the box, it tells you to press ESC if you want to enter the boot menu
[03:51] <jende> ubuntu
[03:51] <jende> ubuntu__: so do that, select in the menu the recovery mode
[03:51] <jende> ub#
[03:51] <wily> yes i've samba server
[03:51] <wily> installed
[03:52] <ubuntu__> jende. I did, but it gets me to the konsole
[03:52] <JosefK> wily: if you're running a firewall you'll need to open the ports, also enable Browsable in your smb.conf
[03:52] <jende> ubuntu__: you'll end up in a console and you should be automatically root. At the prompt type mount
[03:52] <JosefK> *Browseable
[03:52] <ubuntu__> jende. ok and then
[03:52] <jende> ubuntu__: if your hda1 isnt mounted you have to mount it using mount /dev/hda1/ /mnt
[03:52] <wily> JosefK: i've done it
[03:53] <JosefK> wily: you should still be able to directly access the machine, does \\192.168.*.*\ (address) on the windows boxes work okay?
[03:53] <davide_> jende
[03:53] <ubuntu__> jende. ok I will check
[03:53] <jende> ubuntu__: then you'll go into a chroot environment
[03:53] <mendred> hi i am thinking of upgrading to edgy..when i run dist-upgrade upstart doesn't appear as one of the packages to be installed..is this normal?
[03:53] <ubuntu__> jende. see you, thanks
[03:53] <jende> davide_: yes
[03:53] <davide_> i cannot convert
[03:53] <wily> no
[03:53] <wily> j
[03:53] <jende> ubuntu__: we are not ready now
[03:53] <davide_> i don't know why
[03:53] <wily> JosefK: i don't see my manchine
[03:54] <davide_> it's 3 days that i'm trying to install this printer
[03:54] <davide_> and i can't
[03:54] <davide_> ;(
[03:54] <jende> davide_: did alien create a *.deb package?
[03:54] <JosefK> wily: if you don't when you explicitly browse to it, I guess you could try restarting the server (sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart) - if that doesn't fix it, check it's logs in /var/log for a clue
[03:54] <davide_> no
[03:55] <wily> thanx JosefK i think it is a firewall problem
[03:55] <davide_> it doesn't create this package
[03:55] <jende> davide_: I'll try it quickly
[03:55] <wily> now i try to open some ports
[03:55] <davide_> well i need to convert a "rpm " to a "deb"
[03:55] <davide_> i use the command
[03:55] <davide_> but it doesn't convert
[03:55] <davide_> i tried on konqueror
[03:55] <zen2> davide_ is it a lexmark
[03:55] <JosefK> wily: port 139 for Samba
[03:55] <davide_> no
[03:56] <JosefK> wily: and port 445 ;)
[03:56] <davide_> it's a canon i250
[03:56] <wily> ;-)
[03:56] <zen2> ahh haveing same hassle here
[03:56] <zen2> only mine is a lexmark
[03:57] <Eddy> #ubuntu
[03:58] <davide_> i found an interestin webssite
[03:58] <davide_> but
[03:58] <davide_> i followed every passage
[03:58] <davide_> and nothing!
[04:00] <jende> davide_: have you tries it with the tar package as well?
[04:00] <jende> davide_: have you tried it with the tar package as well?
[04:01] <jende> davide_: in there is a ./configure skript which shoud work
[04:01] <jende> davide_: if you don't have it I could mail it to you
[04:02] <davide_> wait
[04:02] <JosefK> skript?  the 'k' thing is infectious :/
[04:02] <jende> JosefK: which "k" thing?
[04:02] <davide_> i downloaded the tar package on the website of canon
[04:02] <JosefK> heh, you'll have to forgive me, I'm migrating to KDE from Gnome, but I've noticed a lot of superfluous k's in program names
[04:03] <jende> davide_: good, unpack it
[04:03] <LjL> JosefK: kand kdoes kthat kbother kyou? kwhy?
[04:03] <davide_> ok jende i did it
[04:03] <JosefK> hehe :P just an observation ^^
[04:03] <CVirus> LOL @ LjL
[04:04] <jende> LjL: kunfortunately Kit Kreally Kbother Kme
[04:04] <davide_> and now?
[04:04] <jende> LjL: Knot kat Kall
[04:04] <jende> davide_: open the console
[04:04] <davide_> ok
[04:04] <MDCore> klosers...
[04:04] <jende> davide_: go into the directory in which you have unpacked it
[04:05] <davide_> wai jende
[04:05] <jende> MDCore: Knot Kme
[04:05] <davide_> but what console i have to open?
[04:05] <davide_> Konsole or Konqueror?
[04:05] <jende> davide_: Konsole
[04:06] <Jucato> davide_: Konsole is the console/terminal. Konqueror is the file manager
[04:06] <davide_> jende
[04:06] <jende> davide_: yes
[04:06] <davide_> how i have to open the directory
[04:06] <davide_> in konsole?
[04:06] <davide_> it's my third day without winzozz
[04:06] <jende> davide_: use the cd command
[04:06] <davide_> ah like dos
[04:06] <fildo> lol
[04:07] <fildo> ull get there son
[04:07] <fildo> indeed
[04:07] <fildo> like  DOS!
[04:07] <jende> fildo: funny you, ey
[04:07] <jende> JosefK: just a quest...are you from germany?
[04:07] <bardelcolle2> ciao
[04:07] <JosefK> nah, spent some time there though
[04:07] <LjL> !it
[04:08] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[04:08] <jende> JosefK: cause Josef sounds quite german/austrian
[04:08] <davide_> jende
[04:08] <davide_> ok
[04:08] <bardelcolle2_> fffgg
[04:08] <davide_> i opened the foulder
[04:08] <jende> davide_: you're in the directory?
[04:08] <davide_> yes
[04:08] <JosefK> heh, it's from a book by Franz Kafka, so names common to him would've been in the vicinity of Prague in the early 20th century
[04:09] <wily> Jo
[04:09] <stock> rrrrr
[04:09] <wily> JosefK:
[04:09] <wily> there are you?
[04:09] <JosefK> yeah wily, 'sup?
[04:09] <davide_> jend i opened the directory
[04:10] <davide_> and now?
[04:10] <stock> e una chat di inglesi????
[04:10] <wily> i've open some ports and by windows i see \\192.0.168.(kubuntu)
[04:10] <LjL> !it
[04:10] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[04:10] <JosefK> wily: brilliant :) any further trouble with it?
[04:10] <wily> now windows ask me password?!?!?!
[04:10] <davide_> jende i opened the directory and now?
[04:10] <jende> davide_: now type  ./autogen.sh --program-suffix=i250
[04:10] <davide_> ok
[04:10] <JosefK> yes, it will do.  run 'sudo smbpasswd *your username on the linux box*'
[04:10] <JosefK> use your username and the password you enter there to login
[04:11] <wily> doh
[04:11] <wily> doesn't work
[04:11] <JosefK> wily: you need to run 'smbpasswd' first
[04:11] <davide_> there is an error message
[04:11] <jende> davide_: which oone
[04:11] <JosefK> wily: on the server, you can enter your Linux password, or an arbitrary one.  you don't use your login password to access Samba by default
[04:11] <davide_> it's written that i need  "autoconf" installed
[04:11] <davide_> and then
[04:12] <davide_> "automake"installed
[04:13] <jende> davide_: no worries,
[04:13] <wily> JosefK: nothing to do
[04:13] <wily> doesn't worsk
[04:13] <jende> davide_: type sudo apt-cache search autoconf
[04:13] <JosefK> wily: hmm, it should do - if it failed authentication, it'll definitely be in samba's log
[04:13] <jende> davide_: you should get quite few files as an output
[04:13] <davide_> jende , i've to type it in konqueror?
[04:13] <JosefK> wily: it's case-sensitive (I think), so you'd need the exact username/password
[04:14] <jende> davide_: no, in the Konsole
[04:14] <jende> davide_: we'll stay til we finished in the Konsole and
[04:14] <JosefK> wily: unless, you can now login, and there's nothing interesting to do on the server - which is the default configuration
[04:14] <davide_> ok
[04:14] <davide_> i did
[04:14] <jende> davide_: keep rockin' in there
[04:14] <JosefK> wily: you can add browing of home directories etc. from smb.conf
[04:14] <wily> ok
[04:15] <davide_> jende what?
[04:15] <JosefK> wily: after you change it, 'sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart' :)
[04:15] <davide_> rockin in there?what does it mean?
[04:15] <jende> davide_: now as it got found in your repos type sudo apt-get install autoconf
[04:15] <jende> davide_: rockin->workin
[04:15] <davide_> ah ok jende
[04:16] <davide_> now it's downloading
[04:16] <jende> davide_: it may take a little while, get back to me once you have installed autoconf
[04:16] <davide_> i installed it
[04:16] <davide_> that's ok
[04:17] <jende> davide_: good! now type apt-cache search automake
[04:17] <jende> davide_: good! now type sudo apt-cache search automake
[04:17] <davide_> jende
[04:17] <stock> fuck off all
[04:17] <davide_> there are 4 kinds of automake
[04:18] <Riddell> davide_: you want automake1.9 not automake
[04:19] <davide_> yes
[04:19] <jende> davide_: type sudo apt-get install automake1.9
[04:19] <davide_> on the error massage
[04:19] <jende> davide_: type sudo apt-get install automake1.9
[04:19] <davide_> it's written automake 1.3 or newer version
[04:19] <jende> davide_: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ well 1.9 is newer
[04:20] <davide_> ok
[04:20] <davide_> jende
[04:20] <davide_> i finished
[04:20] <davide_> ;)
[04:20] <jende> davide_: now type  ./autogen.sh --program-suffix=i250
[04:21] <davide_> jende
[04:21] <fildo> hey why is it i have lost a kubuntu screen @ the begining . when it init all devices
[04:21] <davide_> i did
[04:21] <davide_> the operation started
[04:22] <davide_> it went out a lot of voices
[04:22] <jende> davide_: no errors?
[04:22] <davide_> and at the end
[04:22] <davide_> it's written
[04:22] <davide_> :
[04:22] <davide_> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[04:23] <tenner> fix your $PATH or apt-get an appropriate gcc?
[04:24] <davide_> tenner and how i can do?
[04:24] <davide_> jende at the end of the message it's written   "See `config.log' for more details."
[04:24] <davide_> i should read it?
[04:25] <JosefK> davide_: sudo apt-get install build-essential gcc g++ libstdc++6
[04:25] <fildo> narh
[04:25] <fildo> build-essentials
[04:25] <fildo> ah beat me to it
[04:25] <JosefK> :P
[04:26] <jende> davide_: sorry, just got me new voffee
[04:26] <jende> davide_: sorry, just got me new coffee
[04:26] <davide_> josefk i'm downloading
[04:26] <davide_> jende don't worry
[04:26] <jende> davide_: ah well, I should have told you
[04:26] <fildo> so
[04:27] <JosefK> davide_: that'll get you a good enough gcc, g++ etc. - try running the configure script again afterwards, using './configure --prefix=/usr/local'
[04:27] <JosefK> davide_: we don't want it installing into /usr/bin ;)
[04:27] <davide_> jende
[04:28] <davide_> i finished the install
[04:28] <wily> JosefK: nothing to to
[04:28] <davide_> with "./autogen.sh --program-suffix=i250"
[04:28] <davide_> and now it's written
[04:28] <davide_> now type `make' to compile the package.
[04:28] <jende> davide_: goooooood
[04:28] <jende> davide_: type make
[04:28] <davide_> but when i write "make"
[04:28] <Kennie`> is it possible to run 64bit kubuntu on a centrino duo?
[04:29] <JosefK> wily: can you login okay?
[04:29] <davide_> there are others errors
[04:29] <davide_> ;(
[04:29] <jende> davide_: like?
[04:29] <JosefK> Kennie`: only on Core 2 Duo
[04:29] <wily> JosefK: no
[04:29] <davide_> make[2] : *** [bjferror.o]  Error 1
[04:30] <wily> i can't log in linux resources
[04:30] <davide_> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/davide/bjfilter-2.3-0/src'
[04:30] <jende> davide_: type sudo make
[04:30] <Kennie`> JosefK : but the cpu is 64bit.. or wont kubuntu ever gonna make support for those intel's?
[04:30] <davide_> jende i tryed but always the same errors
[04:31] <JosefK> Kennie`: the original Core Duo isn't 64-bit.  Core 2 Duo is, and is amd64 compatible, so with a few gotcha's it works out of the box
[04:31] <jende> davide_: now, I'm clueless
[04:31] <JosefK> wily: 'linux resources'?
[04:31] <Snifouille> Hey There
[04:31] <wily> JosefK: is all ok
[04:31] <davide_> MT bjferror.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/bjferror.Tpo" -c -o bjferror.o bjferror.c; \
[04:31] <davide_>         then mv -f ".deps/bjferror.Tpo" ".deps/bjferror.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/b             jferror.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
[04:32] <wily> smbpasswd - user
[04:32] <davide_> jende this is the first part of the error
[04:32] <JosefK> wily: mhm, without the '-' though, ie. 'smbpasswd user'
[04:32] <JosefK> wily: mhm, without the '-' though, ie. 'sudo smbpasswd user'
[04:32] <wily> you are right
[04:32] <JosefK> wily: first sudo will ask you for its password, then smbpasswd will set a password for the user
[04:32] <wily> -a
[04:33] <Snifouille> I'm new to Linux and also very ashamed... I've just deleted my user directorie by the rm -Rf command, I don't know why, I just did it... Now I can't log on because conf files are not present anymore. I'm on the LiveCd and don't know what do to do... Do I have to reinstall everything, or is there a way to take those files needed back ?
[04:33] <jende> Riddell: were there any major changes in autoconf1.9 re 1.3/1.4?
[04:34] <Acidic32> Snifouille: just reboot
[04:34] <JosefK> Snifouille: if you were on the Live CD when you deleted it, rebooting will work.  if you deleted it on an installed system, you can boot into 'recovery mode' then create the /home/username directory and chmod/chown it appropriately
[04:35] <JosefK> Snifouille: press 'Escape' when GRUB asks to get the option to boot into Recovery Mode
[04:35] <Snifouille> I was on a installed system... :(
[04:35] <Riddell> jende: yes, autoconf changes lots with every release
[04:35] <JosefK> Snifouille: you'll have lost the files, but if you recreate that path you'll be able to login again
[04:35] <jende> Riddell: just wondering if the changes in autoconf might cause "davide's" problems
[04:36] <Snifouille> Okay but even if i create this directorie, KDE is trying to reach a file like .CDO_KDE.....etc, it will still need it, non ?
[04:36] <Snifouille> I didn't have any files in it... :(
[04:36] <Acidic32> Snifouille: just mkdir /home/username and reboot
[04:36] <Acidic32> :P
[04:36] <davide_> jende so i try to install autoconf 1.3?
[04:37] <davide_> we test !
[04:37] <jende> davide_: wait a sec
[04:37] <Snifouille> okay BIG THANK YOU, I'll tell you in 5 minut about what's going on :)
[04:37] <JosefK> Snifouille: no, if the path is there, it'll create that file :) it's complaining it can't create the file without the path existing
[04:37] <jende> Riddell: what do you think?
[04:37] <Snifouille> ooooh okay ! that's cool
[04:37] <Snifouille> see you in 5 minuts
[04:37] <Snifouille> and big thank you again
[04:37] <Acidic32> Sniffoule: also chown username:username /home/username
[04:37] <JosefK> Snifouille: I nuked my home folder I'd hardlinked into a chroot the other day, it happens to us all
[04:38] <Snifouille> :)
[04:38] <Snifouille> see you
[04:38] <Riddell> jende: it's possible I suppose
[04:39] <jende> davide_: type sudo apt-get remove autoconf
[04:39] <Daemonik> Kubuntu comes with a "remote desktop" client to connect to windows machines correct?
[04:39] <davide_> ok
[04:39] <davide_> i did
[04:39] <jende> davide_: no
[04:39] <davide_> it's removed jende
[04:40] <jende> davide_: now type apt-get remove automake1.9
[04:40] <JosefK> Daemonik: yes, but you need to install the 'rdesktop' package too
[04:40] <davide_> wait jende
[04:41] <davide_> i wrote sudo apt-get remove autoconf
[04:41] <davide_> and i deleted it
[04:41] <jende> and as next
[04:41] <jende> davide_: now type apt-get remove automake1.9
[04:41] <davide_> so now when i write type apt-get remove automake1.9
[04:41] <mrtaran12345> patch problem.. someone pls check it out! http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27325/
[04:41] <jende> davide_: now type sudo apt-get remove automake1.9
[04:41] <davide_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[04:41] <davide_> this is the error
[04:41] <jende> davide_: now type sudo apt-get remove automake1.9
[04:42] <yeti> alt+mouse1 is bound to moving windows in my kde, how do i unset that? i need alt+mouse1 to be recognised by a user program
[04:42] <vge> what means "Thease paggages are hold back and not upgraded"(list of paggages)?
[04:42] <JosefK> mrtaran12345: cat madwifi-ng-r1756.patch | sudo patch -Np1
[04:42] <JosefK> mrtaran12345: ?
[04:43] <davide_> jende
[04:43] <davide_> now it says that the package it's not installed
[04:43] <davide_> so it's not possible to delete it!
[04:43] <davide_> ok?
[04:43] <jende> davide_: fair enough
[04:43] <mrtaran12345> josefk: i get same response
[04:43] <jende> davide_: now type sudo apt-get install autoconf automake1.4
[04:44] <jende> davide_: just as stated in one line
[04:44] <mrtaran12345> josefk: whats possible in making it seem non existant?
[04:44] <davide_> ok jende,i did and it installed automake1.4
[04:44] <JosefK> mrtaran12345: when you do it using 'cat', is it patch complaining, or cat?
[04:44] <davide_> now i test from the beginning?
[04:44] <jende> davide_: and autoconf?
[04:44] <mrtaran12345> cat is complaining
[04:45] <mrtaran12345> cat: madwifi-ng-r1756.patch: No such file or directory
[04:45] <JosefK> ls again, see if the file's still there
[04:45] <mrtaran12345> it is
[04:45] <mrtaran12345> i check with LS
[04:45] <Daemonik> JosefK sudo apt-get install rdesktop?
[04:45] <chimaera> hi. i'm having a little problem with knetworkmanager. after i log in i have to enter the PWD for kwallet. knetworkmanager pulls the WPA-passphrase from it, everything worlks fine. if i don't immediately enter the pwd for kwallet, knetworkmanager stalls, the systray button disappears and i have to kill the process by hand before i can restart it. any ideas on this?
[04:45] <JosefK> yes Daemonik
[04:45] <davide_> jende i installed
[04:45] <vge> !pastebin
[04:45] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[04:46] <jende> davide_: now type  ./autogen.sh --program-suffix=i250
[04:46] <vge> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27326/ <-- somebody can explain this?
[04:46] <JosefK> mrtaran12345: if it's there, there's no reason for cat or patch to complain, I'd try starting another shell and trying again
[04:46] <Daemonik> JosefK It says package is missing but referred to by another source. Must I add some repos?
[04:46] <mrtaran12345> en
[04:46] <chx> hi. is it possible to boot Kubuntu from a pendrive and then run the whole thing entirely from RAM?
[04:47] <JosefK> vge: do a dist-upgrade instead of an upgrade?
[04:47] <vge> dont help
[04:47] <rag> hi *
[04:48] <JosefK> Daemonik: it should be in main :/
[04:48] <Jucato> vge: what are you trying to do?
[04:48] <mrtaran12345> josefk: i closed it, and opened a fresh one.. heres my result.. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27327/   same
[04:48] <davide_> jende bad news : this error "configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in . ./.. ./../.."
[04:48] <vge> Jucato: well normal update, but those paggages are "hounting"
[04:48] <davide_> ;(((
[04:48] <rag> help me please, i have a ssh with RSA authentication configured
[04:48] <Ash_Fox> How does one disable that blasted message pane in kmail?
[04:49] <rag> but.. i need connect without put passfhrase, is possible?
[04:49] <JosefK> mrtaran12345: that's plain obscure :/ 'sudo patch -p1 < *.patch'
[04:49] <Ash_Fox> rag, ssh-keygen, and create a key without a pass phrase.
[04:49] <Jucato> vge: the only reason I could think of is that a required repository might be disabled
[04:49] <rag> Ash Fox: thx, how to?
[04:50] <Ash_Fox> ssh-keygen
[04:50] <rag> Ash_Fox: thx, how to?
[04:50] <Ash_Fox> and it enter when it asks you for the pass phrase
[04:50] <Ash_Fox> Rather than entering anything
[04:50] <rag> Ash_Fox: nothing?
[04:50] <Ash_Fox> That's right, don't enter anything, just hit enter when it asks.
[04:50] <Ash_Fox> You need to generate the key using ssh-keygen
[04:50] <rag> Ash Fox: i have run ssh-keygen with a passfhrase
[04:50] <Ash_Fox> No you don't.
[04:51] <jende> davide_: Will you be back here tomorrow?
[04:51] <rag> Ash_Fox:  already i runned ssh-keygen
[04:51] <davide_> i don't know
[04:51] <Ash_Fox> rag, then create a new key
[04:51] <jende> davide_: I'll try to find a workaround for you til tomorrow
[04:51] <davide_> but it's for my interesting
[04:51] <davide_> ok jende
[04:51] <davide_> thank u the same
[04:51] <davide_> for your helping
[04:51] <rag> Ash_Fox: do you say me with passphrase equal nothing, Enter?
[04:52] <mrtaran12345> josef: jordan@jordan-laptop:~/madwifi-ng$ sudo patch -p1 < *.patch
[04:52] <jende> davide_: now, I cant davide cause I have a meeting at 5.30pm CET
[04:52] <Ash_Fox> Just hit enter when it asks in ssh-keygen
[04:52] <mrtaran12345> josef: bash: *.patch: No such file or directory
[04:52] <davide_> jende don't worry
[04:52] <rag> Ash_Fox: ok i test it now, yesterday test it without pass on ssh-keygen and i can't
[04:52] <davide_> you've been so good to waste time with me
[04:52] <davide_> so i really thank you
[04:52] <Ash_Fox> rag, it works for me.
[04:52] <jende> davide_: I don't worrs, I just wanted to let you know that I might find a solution for your problem
[04:52] <rag> Ash_Fox: i test it again, thx Ash_Fox, i tell you now
[04:52] <JosefK> mrtaran12345: this is beyond me - the file exists, ls says it exists, but everything else refuses to believe it.
[04:52] <jende> davide_: til tomorrow
[04:53] <davide_> i hope
[04:53] <mrtaran12345> josef: seems so ..   who should i call
[04:53] <davide_> because this printer is making me crazy
[04:53] <mrtaran12345> josef: bug?
[04:53] <jende> davide_: *ggg* it's got to work somehow
[04:53] <davide_> and now i'm not the only one who is going crazy
[04:53] <davide_> eheheheh
[04:53] <davide_> i hope!
[04:53] <davide_> have a nice day jende!
[04:53] <JosefK> mrtaran12345: I doubt it's a bug, 'ls' has practically been proven correct over the years - could be something in the filesystem, or an odd character encoding
[04:53] <rag> Ash_Fox: ssh-keygen -t rsa? true?
[04:53] <mrtaran12345> haha
[04:53] <chx> thanks for pointing me to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendriveP
[04:53] <Ash_Fox> Yes.
[04:53] <chx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[04:53] <jende> davide_: it might just needs a bit more time to investigate why it wont get installed
[04:54] <mrtaran12345> you mean the patch file could be corrupted
[04:54] <JosefK> mrtaran12345: no, the file isn't corrupt, it doesn't even get that far - cat, patch etc. don't even know it exists
[04:54] <rag> Ash_Fox: ok, ssh-keygen ok, now i go scp to remote host
[04:55] <jende> davide_: maybe there is also already somewhere a new driver available
[04:55] <mrtaran12345> jose: what can i do
[04:55] <Ash_Fox> yes, you need to put your new public key into .ssh/authorized_keys on the remote host.
[04:55] <jende> davide_: and another thing I haven't wasted time, I tries to help someone solving a problem
[04:55] <jende> davide_: and another thing I haven't wasted time, I tried to help someone solving a problem
[04:55] <davide_> ok jende
[04:56] <JosefK> mrtaran12345: nothing, really, you could run an fsck if you feel like an adventure - I'd just download the file again from somewhere and try again
[04:56] <davide_> tomorrow in the first afternoon(if u agree)we can investigate
[04:56] <davide_> ;)
[04:56] <davide_> thank you!
[04:56] <jende> davide_: if I don't like to help I shouldn't be here!
[04:56] <jende> Jucato: how much will you be here today?
[04:56] <jende> davide_: see ya tomorrow
[04:56] <davide_> i know jende, and you have to be proud about this
[04:57] <davide_> see you tomorrow
[04:57] <jende> davide_: about what?
[04:57] <Jucato> jende: not sure.. still not feeling well
[04:57] <davide_> to be here for helping
[04:58] <jende> davide_: its fun and we all learn ad due to that we all get better
[04:58] <rag> Ash_Fox: ok already! i follow http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/sshrsakey.html
[04:59] <davide_> yes jende i think it too
[04:59] <Ash_Fox> Heh, that looks overly complicated for what should be a simple operation...
[04:59] <rag> Ash_Fox: is good, yesterday i dont know test it without pass and i have some problem or i am zzzzz.... jajaj
[05:00] <rag> Ash_Fox: thx , now i'll can install with aptitude install on all machines of my network
[05:00] <rag> Ash-Fox: thx , now i'll can install with aptitude install on all machines of my network
[05:00] <Ash-Fox> rag, good :)
[05:00] <grem> hi
[05:00] <jende> Jucato: whats the name for that one linux site who has got lots of OS-printerdrivers again? I ahvent markes it as a favourite on my Notebook
[05:00] <Ash-Fox> Hello Grem.
[05:00] <rag> Ash-Fox: Ubuntu has a other solution for multiple-installations of software?
[05:00] <Jucato> jende: err.. sorry. no clue
[05:01] <jende> Jucato: now you're kidding me
[05:01] <grem> a nice flv player, anyone? :)
[05:01] <Ash-Fox> rag, I'm not aware of other solutions, but there might be.
[05:01] <rag> Ash-Fox: i want aptitude install any-software for all machines
[05:01] <Jucato> jende: no I'm not
[05:01] <rag> Ash-Fox: i think that this solution is ok, true?
[05:01] <Jucato> haven't had a printer in over 2 years
[05:02] <rag> Ash-Fox: and safe no?
[05:02] <chimaera> hi. i'm having a little problem with knetworkmanager. after i log in i have to enter the PWD for kwallet. knetworkmanager pulls the WPA-passphrase from it, everything worlks fine. if i don't immediately enter the pwd for kwallet, knetworkmanager stalls, the systray button disappears and i have to kill the process by hand before i can restart it. any ideas on this?
[05:02] <Ash-Fox> rag, it should be alright.
[05:02] <rag> Ash-Fox: ok thanks, see you
[05:03] <jende> davide_: are you still there?
[05:03] <rag> Ash-Fox: by the way, only a thing more
[05:03] <rag> Ash-Fox: do you know about kde-menu , tutorial, links ?
[05:03] <jende> davide_: Ping
[05:03] <Ash-Fox> rag, nope, but you might want to ask #KDE about it.
[05:03] <jende> Jucato: the URL is www.linuxprinting.org
[05:03] <rag> Ash-Fox: ok kde only or developer?
[05:04] <jende> Jucato: and they have heaps of drivers
[05:04] <mrtaran12345> is it against the law to send aircrack patch to someone in china?
[05:04] <rag> Ash-Fox: i need add menus to kde-menu Start KDE menu
[05:05] <JosefK> mrtaran12345: probably in the US mrtaran12345, almost certainly in China - but it's kinda fun, no?
[05:05] <jende> davide_: if you're still around I have found, I guess, what you need; at least have a look on:
[05:05] <Ash-Fox> rag, I've told you I don't know. Try #KDE
[05:05] <mrtaran12345> jose: im american but im in china
[05:05] <jende> davide_: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-BJC-250
[05:05] <rag> Ash-Fox: i am learning some files configuration like IconsPositions, etc interest a lot
[05:05] <rag> Ash-Fox: ok thanks , bye see you
[05:05] <JosefK> mrtaran12345: the first step in performing illegal activity is not to announce it in a heavily populated IRC channel
[05:05] <mrtaran12345> josef: the aircrack's site is banned, so i used a proxy server to copy the text and save as a file
[05:06] <Ash-Fox> Bye.
[05:06] <jende> Jucato: maybe I'll see you later
[05:06] <mrtaran12345> josef: but its very possible the encoding wasnt set as you said
[05:06] <Jucato> jende: maybe, maybe not :P
[05:06] <jende> Jucato: If you'll see davide would you mind telling him that I found his printerdriver?
[05:06] <mrtaran12345> josef: someone in another channale was afraid its illegal
[05:06] <Jucato> jende: yes I do mind! j/k
[05:07] <mrtaran12345> josef: i didnt know that that kind of thing gets banned, its not really an export,, its open source
[05:07] <Ash-Fox> mrtaran12345, you should contact the local authorities and ask.
[05:07] <jende> Jucato: if we don't see us take care and get a good nap!
[05:07] <JosefK> mrtaran12345: I'm not sure of Chinese laws, but from what I hear their goons don't care so much?
[05:07] <mrtaran12345> lol
[05:07] <jende> See ya late folks
[05:07] <Jucato> hehe ok thanks
[05:07] <mrtaran12345> i just want the file
[05:07] <mrtaran12345> i dont want to fly back to the states to get it :/
[05:08] <Ash-Fox> mrtaran12345, you should contact the authorities and ask about the legality.
[05:08] <mrtaran12345> why
[05:08] <mrtaran12345> i watch porn
[05:08] <mrtaran12345> thats not legal
[05:08] <mrtaran12345> do you download torrents
[05:08] <mrtaran12345> i think you do :P
[05:08] <Jucato> !language
[05:08] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:08] <mrtaran12345> sorry
[05:08] <Ash-Fox> Yes, I download plenty of linux distros off bittorent
[05:08] <Jucato> :)
[05:08] <grem> !flv
[05:08] <mrtaran12345> ash: ha .. ha .. ha
[05:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:08] <grem> anyone know a nice .flv player?
[05:08] <Ash-Fox> mrtaran12345, I'm not joking.
[05:09] <mrtaran12345> ash: you dont download anything else off BT?
[05:09] <mrtaran12345> lol
[05:09] <mrtaran12345> god...........
[05:09] <mrtaran12345> paranoid guys
[05:09] <Jucato> let's not get carried away from the topic please?
[05:09] <mrtaran12345> lol
[05:09] <Ash-Fox> mrtaran12345, yes, like, WoW patches.
[05:10] <luis_lopez> Hi, does anybody know if there's a way of doing multiterminal/multiseat in kubuntu?
[05:10] <Ash-Fox> luis_lopez, you mean something like terminal services?
[05:11] <mrtaran12345> can someone please send me madwifi-ng-r1756.patch  on this site http://patches.aircrack-ng.org/
[05:11] <luis_lopez> multiseat: having two or more displays and keyboards attached to the same CPU
[05:13] <luis_lopez> there's a procedure described in the ubuntu community documentation but  includes a step for gdm
[05:13] <Ash-Fox> luis_lopez, I'm sure it's possible with xserver configurations, but I've never done such a thing before so I can't really advise you how todo it.
[05:14] <Ash-Fox> I had a aqaitence who did such a thing -- He had multiple X server proccesses setup for each display.
[05:14] <ubuntu> i just installed kubuntu 6.06 on my old p3 laptop....last night ubuntu 5.10 is working but i decided to switch to kubuntu.... now the internet connection wont work anyone who could help?
[05:16] <Ash-Fox> ubuntu, you can setup networking under the 'System settings' icon under the [k]  menu. But I can't help you any futher without more information on how it's connected etc.
[05:16] <JosefK> gnomefreak: is it likely the RC is just the 17.1/17.2 daily's with updated artwork packages?
[05:16] <fildo> *goners
[05:17] <gnomefreak> JosefK: no not really there are updates to the installer
[05:17] <ubuntu> ok, i have a dsl connection, modem>router>2 pcs...this pc im using a live cd now of kubuntu 6.06 which i also used to install kubuntu on my other pc (laptop) that now has no connection.,.. but it did have when it was 5.10
[05:17] <JosefK> gnomefreak: ah, thanks for the heads-up
[05:17] <gnomefreak> the 18th was the closest to rc but still will need to update the iso
[05:23] <yokobr> hi9
[05:23] <yokobr> my kubuntu is not running sudo kate, or kwrite
[05:24] <Jucato> yokobr: try "kdesu kate"
[05:25] <yokobr> worked, but with some error msgs too
[05:26] <yokobr> what can it be?
[05:27] <Jucato> yokobr: those error messages are harmless
[05:27] <Jucato> they're just saying that it's trying to detect touchpad devices and failed
[05:28] <yokobr> but why i cant use sudo?
[05:30] <zoetrope> hello
[05:34] <Jucato> !kdesu
[05:34] <ubotu> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[05:34] <Jucato> yokobr: ^^^^^
[05:37] <Hawkwind> Ash-Fox: You can use kdesu and gksudo in Mandriva just like any other distro
[05:38] <floe> hi all
[05:38] <Ash-Fox> Hawkwind, that wasn't what I was saying. I just found it interesting that I could 'sudo <graphical app>' on mandriva, and not on other distros.
[05:39] <Hawkwind> It's because sudo is setup differently in Ubuntu.  You can use sudo <gui app> in any other distro except Ubuntu really
[05:40] <floe> I just did a fresh install of Kubuntu for friend of mine a few days ago. He said he isn't able to play mp3s with amarok or watch movies with kaffeine. Shouldn't that work out of the box?
[05:40] <Kennie`> what kernel package i need for SMP support?
[05:40] <Kennie`> cus i see so many lol
[05:40] <Hawkwind> Kennie`: linux-686
[05:40] <Jucato> floe: no
[05:40] <Jucato> !mp3
[05:40] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:40] <Hawkwind> !mp3 > floe
[05:40] <Jucato> floe: read the RestrictedFormats page
[05:40] <Kennie`> Hawkwind not the linux-686-SMP?
[05:41] <Blacken> Kennie`: linux-686-smp is what you need.
[05:41] <Kennie`> k
[05:41] <Hawkwind> Kennie`: No.  You can install linux-686
[05:41] <floe> ok, thx
[05:41] <Blacken> Hawkwind: You can? It refused to work with my Duo.
[05:41] <Hawkwind> Blacken: linux-686-smp won't get him what he needs
[05:41] <Blacken> Hawkwind: It's worked every time for me...
[05:41] <Kennie`> ah well will try
[05:42] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Why won't that work?
[05:42] <Kennie`> i ever had it work, cant remember wich i one picked
[05:42] <Kennie`> eh one i*
[05:43] <ubuntu> anyone can help me out setting  up my net with my laptop using kubuntu 6.06 and a pcmcia ethernet card
[05:43] <Blacken> ubuntu: Depends. What's the machine, who's the card manufacturer?
[05:43] <Kennie`> Blacken tnx worked with -smp :)
[05:44] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Seriously, though, why wouldn't 686-smp be what he needs?
[05:44] <ubuntu> its an old dell cpx p3 laptop surecom pcmcia ...last night while running ubuntu 5.10 net is working fine.,...even now when i boot windows using that same machine net is good but when i boot kubuntu no net at all
[05:44] <Kennie`> i did need to -smp i think
[05:44] <Kennie`> cus it works now with 2 cores
[05:44] <Kennie`> instead of 1
[05:45] <Kennie`> (on a centrino duo)
[05:45] <Blacken> ubuntu: Sorry, unfamiliar with the hardware. Give me a sec, I'll poke the wiki.
[05:45] <weedar> I have an mp3 player that connects fine to my laptop running kubuntu-dapper, but on my desktop (also running kubuntu-dapper) it is not mounted - nor are there any /dev/sdX files created when connecting it. It is however charging via USB
[05:45] <weedar> Does anyone have any suggestions?
[05:46] <Blacken> weedar: Is hotplug running?
[05:46] <Blacken> ubuntu: I do not see that card on the list at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[05:47] <weedar> Black: will lsmod reveal this? running "lsmod | grep hotplug" results in the following: pci_hotplug            29236  1 shpchp
[05:47] <weedar> sorry, that should've been Blacken
[05:47] <ubuntu> well its not a wifi card its a 10mb ethernet
[05:47] <Blacken> weedar: I'm not sure. I don't know much about how USB devices work under Linux.
[05:47] <Blacken> ubuntu: Oh, sorry, my bad. Hrm...
[05:47] <ubuntu> and ubuntu kubuntu 5.10 works on it ithout any configuration at all..
[05:48] <Blacken> ubuntu: In that case, I don't know. Sorry.
[05:48] <wimpies> I have this strange problemw with 3.5.5 KDE where sometimes my windows fight for focus
[05:48] <Kennie`> does hybernate work properly under kubuntu? i've read someone that you need to add boot parameter resume=/dev/xdax right?
[05:48] <Blacken> Kennie`: It works for my roommate, I've never been bothered to make it work on my Inspiron.
[05:49] <LjL> Kennie`: normally you don't, it should just work. i reckon it has problems on a few machines, though
[05:49] <Kennie`> k, gonna try
[05:49] <Kennie`> hope it does work
[05:49] <Blacken> LjL: My roommate did have to fiddle with it on his R60.
[05:49] <LjL> Kennie`: even if it doesn't, nothing too bad should happen. just close programs and save data, and perhaps type a "sync" before hibernating
[05:50] <Kennie`> had on some other systems that it crashes and crap happening
[05:51] <ricardo> hi everybody....what do u think about upgrading to edgy? is it stable enough?
[05:52] <LjL> !edgy
[05:52] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[05:54] <Blacken> Kennie`: If you are having any difficulties at all with Dapper, give it some more time.
[05:54] <ubuntu> oh well..... is there a distro that will just work hehe.... kinda getitng tired
[05:55] <Jucato> ubuntu: you can try so many others :)
[05:55] <Blacken> If Ubuntu doesn't work out of the box, few others will.
[05:55] <Blacken> If any.
[05:56] <ubuntu> it does work i really guess there msut be somehting in the settings.... i jsut find it weird that the older verison works perfectlywell but the new one doesnt
[05:56] <Jucato> Blacken: well, you can't always be 100% sure on that one.
[05:56] <zoetrope666> I love ubuntu :D
[05:56] <zoetrope666> just wanted to say that ... hehe
[05:56] <Jucato> lol
[05:57] <Blacken> Jucato: As I said. Few, if any, will.
[05:58] <Blacken> Hrm. Is it possible to add a hibernate button/widget to the K menu or to the "log out" menu?
[05:58] <Blacken> Or the panel...I'm not picky.
[05:59] <zoetrope666> does anyone know if there's an ubuntu channel for AUstralia?
[05:59] <Jucato> !au
[05:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about au - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:00] <gerhard> 073564556
[06:00] <Blacken> !hibernate
[06:00] <ubotu> hibernate: activates your computer's suspend functionality. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.12-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 66 kB, installed size 328 kB
[06:00] <trappist_> zoetrope666: create one!
[06:00] <Jucato> zoetrope666: only an #ubuntu-au
[06:01] <zoetrope666> ok.. what's LoCO?
[06:02] <Jucato> Local Community
[06:03] <zoetrope666> Ohh, ok
[06:03] <zoetrope666> lol thanks
[06:03] <Jucato> np
[06:03] <Jucato> :)
[06:03] <zoetrope666> asl??
[06:04] <Jucato> -offtopic :P
[06:04] <zoetrope666> 20/f/Perth, Australia
[06:04] <Jucato> 23/m/Manila,Philippines (but let's not talk about these things in here :P)
[06:05] <zoetrope666> Oh no worries, just wondering about where you're all from
[06:05] <gameman72> quick kde question, can you make a shell script run when you click on it?
[06:05] <zoetrope666> I've been writing on Linux/Ubuntu at uni and just interested in how international it is.
[06:05] <zoetrope666> Thanks anyway :P
[06:05] <Jucato> gameman72: afaik, yes
[06:06] <Jucato> just make it executable
[06:06] <gameman72> it opens in a text editor
[06:06] <Jucato> zoetrope666: oh it's very international.
[06:06] <rainbow> ls -l
[06:06] <Jucato> gameman72: even if it's executable already? Right-click on it, Permissions tab and double check that "Exectuable" is enabled
[06:06] <rainbow> -help
[06:06] <gameman72> Jucato: yeah its executable, i can do ./script.sh
[06:07] <Jucato> hm...
[06:07] <yokobr> hi
[06:07] <gameman72> hi
[06:08] <rainbow> hi
[06:11] <gameman72> no other ideas to run shell scripts from kde?
[06:11] <LjL> gameman72: scripts *do* run when you click on then. they just don't open a console.
[06:11] <gameman72> ohhhh...  any way to make them open a console?
[06:13] <LjL> gameman72: don't think so, at least without modifying the script somehow. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124681
[06:13] <yokobr> gnome is so much better than kde
[06:14] <LjL> yokobr: that's a good topic for #ubuntu-offtopic or #kubuntu-offtopic :-)
[06:15] <gameman72> ok so you can set konsole to run a script, thats an alternative
[06:15] <LjL> gameman72: yeah, you could do that i suppose
[06:15] <joscha> gameman72: you can open the shellscript with konsole -e yourscript.sh
[06:15] <JosefK> is there any way to delete the "Cool Streams" stuff from Amarok, because frankly, I find them neither interesting nor 'cool'
[06:15] <joscha> and add an applicationhelper (konsole -e) to .sh files
[06:16] <trappist> isn't "run in a console" an option in an icon's properties?
[06:16] <davide_> hi guys!
[06:16] <joscha> then you can right click - open with - konsole
[06:16] <joscha> trappist: no
[06:16] <gameman72> trappist: yeah but i wanted something a bit faster  (i managed to force xterm into the open with menu)
[06:17] <trappist> sure, under advanced options, run in terminal
[06:17] <trappist> joscha: ^
[06:18] <joscha> trappist: can't find that option here
[06:18] <gameman72> http://www.slexy.org/paste/159  i get that error
[06:19] <zoetrope666> hey, does anyone know a way that i can connect to the internet using my laptop without having to use modprobe to load the driver, then into networking, autodetect the modem, and then connect.
[06:20] <trappist> joscha: should be in a link to an application
[06:20] <joscha> trappist: ah you can do this with an link to an .sh script, not with an .sh script itself
[06:20] <gameman72> zoetrope666: what kind of modem
[06:20] <zoetrope666> the modem doesnt seem to install permanently
[06:20] <trappist> joscha: right
[06:21] <Chm0d> could anyone please tell me how to completely remove mythtv?
[06:21] <trappist> joscha: or you can play with the shell script file association, and treat all shell scripts that way
[06:21] <trappist> Chm0d: depends how you installed it
[06:21] <Chm0d> apt-get
[06:21] <gameman72> ok, a link works just as well
[06:21] <joscha> apt-get remove mythtv
[06:21] <gameman72> *shortcut
[06:22] <Chm0d> tried that i get an error about access denied from mythtv database
[06:23] <gameman72> ok, thanks for the help guys,  later
[06:23] <trappist> Chm0d: try removing database stuff from /var/lib/dpkg/info/mythtv*.postrm, and drop the database manually
[06:24] <Chm0d> do i just trash everything in there?
[06:26] <timothy_> what is a good samaba client for kubuntu?
[06:27] <HouseOfBugs> what is a good samaba client for kubuntu?
[06:27] <joscha> konqueror
[06:27] <joscha> smb:/
[06:27] <HouseOfBugs> ok
[06:27] <Xzanron> i'd prefer smb4k but i just cannot find a package for it :(
[06:28] <root> hi
[06:28] <rag> please, aptitude install any-software -y not works for me
[06:28] <rag> how to assume yes for all questions?
[06:29] <rag> is it dangerous?
[06:29] <root> ist hier jemand aus deutschland?
[06:29] <abattoir> !de
[06:29] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[06:30] <root> @ubotu ich wollte nur wissen ob jemand aus DE ist. ich habe keine frage
[06:31] <rag> how to assume yes for all questions? on aptitude install any-software -y
[06:32] <rag> -y not work for me!
[06:32] <joscha> with yes
[06:32] <rag> -yes?
[06:32] <rag> with -yes?
[06:32] <JosefK> --assume-yes
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Rag: Got your answer?
[06:33] <JosefK> aptitude --assume-yes install *packages*
[06:33] <DaSkreech> or yes | aptitude install *
[06:34] <rag> DaSkreech: aptitude install any-soft -y
[06:34] <JosefK> ^ dangerous
[06:34] <rag> DaSkreech: not worf for me
[06:34] <JosefK> rag: sudo aptitude --assume-yes install
[06:34] <HouseOfBugs> smb4k ?
[06:34] <rag> DaSkreech: for assume yes in all questions
[06:34] <HouseOfBugs> where can i get it
[06:34] <rag> DaSkreech: ok thx i test it
[06:34] <zoetrope> argh sorry
[06:34] <HouseOfBugs> also what is a good program that is like daemon tools?
[06:35] <DaSkreech> HouseOfBugs: smb:/ doesn't work?
[06:35] <waylandbill> yipe.. assume yes even for conflicts....
[06:35] <JosefK> HouseOfBugs: it's built in :) mount can do it
[06:35] <DaSkreech> HouseOfBugs: Which daemon tools?
[06:35] <JosefK> waylandbill: nah, afaik assume-yes fails at conflicts/GPG problems
[06:35] <zoetrope> any ideas re: my previous query on the modem?
[06:35] <rag> Josefk: why dangerous, can you explain me ?
[06:35] <joscha> mount -o loop /your/isofile /mnt/your/directory/to/mount
[06:35] <DaSkreech> !seen intellikey
[06:35] <ubotu> I haven't seen intellikey recently
[06:35] <yokobr> hi...im having trouble to install xgl beryl in kubunty
[06:35] <JosefK> echoing yes through aptitude could be dangerous
[06:35] <HouseOfBugs> DaSkreech: smb:/ works
[06:35] <yokobr> hi...im having trouble to install xgl beryl in kubuntu
[06:36] <waylandbill> JosefK, that's a good thing. :)
[06:36] <DaSkreech> HouseOfBugs: Sweet
[06:36] <rag> JosefK: why?
[06:36] <HouseOfBugs> can baryl run on an intel 855pm?
[06:36] <rag> JosefK: spanish?=
[06:36] <JosefK> waylandbill: indeed :) and rag - for the cases that waylandbill mentioned - conflicts/key problems etc.
[06:36] <JosefK> rag: nope
[06:36] <rag> nope?
[06:36] <JosefK> rag: no :)
[06:36] <DaSkreech> HouseOfBugs: Ask in #ubuntu-xgl
[06:37] <rag> JosefK: ok, jose i need doing silent installations a lot machines
[06:38] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone know why my upslash is being updated
[06:38] <Admiral_Chicago> the art that is
[06:38] <rag> JosefK: i need automatic process , i doing it with ssh and RSA without pwd
[06:38] <JosefK> rag: if you want completely silent installations you'll need to use pre-selects for debconf, for most cases 'aptitude --assume-yes install *packages*' will do
[06:38] <rag> JosefK: pre-selects for debcont, what is this, please give a link
[06:39] <JosefK> rag: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apb.html
[06:39] <rag> JosefK: thx
[06:39] <JosefK> rag: that's debian, maybe you can find a newer version for Ubuntu, but the principles are the same
[06:40] <JosefK> rag: namely, the section you need is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs04.html#preseed-other
[06:41] <dhq> i am on kubuntu is there any software to monitor apache status
[06:42] <rag> JosefK: what is preseeding concept?
[06:43] <JosefK> rag: have you ever seen the configuration dialogs that aptitude throws up occasionally?
[06:43] <rag> JosefK: but this is for a control any flow installation?
[06:43] <JosefK> rag: if you want to guarauntee a silent installation, you can't just rely on 'aptitude --assume-yes'
[06:48] <rag> JosefK: i use aptitude from console, not graphics
[06:48] <JosefK> rag: yes, you might still get debconf dialogs
[06:48] <fdoving> rag, run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow debconf' and set it to 'noninteractive'
[06:48] <rag> Josefk; ok to control the flow, true?
[06:48] <fdoving> then you won't get that problem.
[06:48] <rag> fdovin: i dont understand
[06:48] <rag> fdoving: is it for disable all interactive for any installations?
[06:48] <fdoving> rag, it disables the debconf dialogs josefk is talking about. you will still need --assume-yes for aptitude stuff.
[06:48] <rag> fdoving: JosefK: my question is , which is the risk for --assume-yes for any software-users
[06:48] <rag>  fdoving: JosefK: only software-users, typical client software
[06:48] <JosefK> no risk for assume-yes, from the manpage "Prompts for 'dangerous' actions, such as removing essential packages, will still be displayed"
[06:48] <fdoving> rag, not much. once the system is installed the upgrades shouldn't need any interaction. however, that might not always be true. removing essential packages won't happen without user interaction anyway.
[06:48] <JosefK> rag, but we're assuming you wouldn't want to do that anyway, and by the time you did you'd have bigger problems
[06:49] <rag>  fdoving: JosefK: what is your solution?
[06:50] <yokobr> please guys, take a look http://paste.ubuntubrasil.org/838
[06:50] <rag>  fdoving: JosefK: i need install software , new software on clients, each time, for a good services
[06:50] <rag>  fdoving: JosefK: is for a internet public access center, cybercafes
[06:51] <inteliwasp> has anyone have any comments on linux flash 9 beta?
[06:51] <rag>  fdoving: JosefK: idea is, renove and sorprise clients of my cyber clients with new software, eyecandys etc
[06:53] <livingdaylight> what version of flash does kubuntu come with?
[06:53] <rag>  fdoving: JosefK: then --assume-yes for all installations is problem for me?
[06:53] <willreed03> so anyone know why java doesnt work in some sites but works in others?
[06:53] <livingdaylight> is flash 8 for Linux available?
[06:53] <CVirus> nope
[06:53] <livingdaylight> thx sux
[06:53] <livingdaylight> flash7 then is it?
[06:53] <ubuntu> anyone ehre who can help me with these? at the bottom : cant creat /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.leases permission denied and cant create /var/run/dhclient.pid permission denied and drop_privileges could not set up group id :operation not permitted thats about it
[06:53] <livingdaylight> !flash
[06:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:54] <inteliwasp> livingdaylight:  kubuntu does not come with it, it needs to be downloded fom adobe
[06:54] <livingdaylight> inteliwasp: yea, but what version is it? adobe? you mean macromedia?
[06:54] <fdoving> rag, try. i doubt it will be a problem. but for some packages (mostly server apps) it can be a problem. but since you say user-apps, i don't think it will be a problem.
[06:54] <Admiral_Chicago> livingdaylight: flash  is out
[06:54] <Admiral_Chicago> 9 beta*
[06:55] <livingdaylight> Admiral_Chicago: flash is out?
[06:55] <Admiral_Chicago> li
[06:55] <Admiral_Chicago> livingdaylight: 9 beta. i'm using it now
[06:55] <rag> fdoving: it's is only for user-apps
[06:56] <fdoving> rag, then i'd say go for it.
[06:56] <livingdaylight> Admiral_Chicago: so where did flash 8 go?
[06:56] <livingdaylight> Admiral_Chicago: i don't even remember flash 8
[06:56] <inteliwasp> moved to /ev/null   :P
[06:56] <inteliwasp> i mean /dev/null
[06:56] <Admiral_Chicago> livingdaylight: thats because it wasn't released for linux
[06:56] <BonBonTheJon> where can i find a list of changes from dapper and edgy
[06:56] <rag> fdoving: JosefK: ok thx, if i fail i learning... ;)
[06:57] <livingdaylight> Admiral_Chicago: well i'm referring to Linux obviously
[06:57] <rag> fdoving: explain me, last comment please
[06:57] <ubuntu> anyone who can help me? with this at the bottom : cant creat /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.leases permission denied and cant create /var/run/dhclient.pid permission denied and drop_privileges could not set up group id :operation not permitted thats about it
[06:57] <livingdaylight> Admiral_Chicago: so you're not using LInux?
[06:57] <rag> fdoving: then id say...
[06:57] <ubuntu> kinda desperate on having internet
[06:57] <Admiral_Chicago> livingdaylight: no i am on Kubuntu Edgy
[06:58] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu: what are you doing that is making it say that
[06:58] <Admiral_Chicago> but i installed the plug in. i went from 7 to 9 beta
[06:58] <ubuntu> dhclient eth0
[06:58] <fdoving> rag, i would say, use --assume-yes, and the 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow debconf' -> noninteractive.
[06:58] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu: try 'sudo dhclient eth0'
[06:58] <livingdaylight> Admiral_Chicago: you're not making sense to me... flash 8,9 is not available for Linux but you're using flash 9beta in Kubuntu-Edgy?
[06:58] <livingdaylight> Admiral_Chicago: can you tell me how i can upgrade to 9beta?
[06:58] <Skrot> Flash 9 beta was just released
[06:59] <Skrot> for linux
[06:59] <rag> fdoving: i don't understand "dpkg-reconfigure -plow debconf' -> noninteractive"
[06:59] <livingdaylight> Skrot: where, how?!
[06:59] <rag> fdoving: what is it?
[06:59] <Skrot> http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/10/beta_is_live.html - Flash 9
[06:59] <ubuntu> eth0: error while getting interface flags:no such device...
[07:00] <ubuntu> why is it like this? i eman i jsut upgraed to 6.06 now i have no net on my laptop net was working with 5.10
[07:00] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu: so, are you sure eth0 is right
[07:00] <Skrot> livingdaylight: also; http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> livingdaylight: what i'm saying is Adobe did not realease a 8.X at all, they said they were just going to go from 7-9
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> seven to nine that is
[07:01] <ubuntu> sorry, what do you mean
[07:01] <livingdaylight> Skrot: Thx Man!
[07:01] <Skrot> No problem
[07:02] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu: try 'ifconfig -a' to see if eth0 is the right interface
[07:02] <livingdaylight> Admiral_Chicago: what is the difference? so 9 is the new 8. Basically it is the next release,
[07:02] <Admiral_Chicago> livingdaylight: there are release notes that I haven't read yet
[07:02] <ubuntu> there is no eth0 only lo and sit0
[07:03] <rag> fdoving: JosefK: 1 joke for new friends, yours! now i have to phone call to pupil-adult
[07:03] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu: try 'ifconfig eth0', sorry
[07:03] <ubuntu> device not found
[07:04] <Acidic> ubuntu do sudo modprobe net*
[07:04] <willreed03> so i have a soundblaster live 5.1 card and creative 5.1 speaker system...when i first installed ubuntu i could only get 2.1 sound...im using the ALSA guimixer and amarok to play mp3's...i can turn up the surround controls and get sound out of all my speakers but then when i use my multimedia keyboard to turn down the sound or mute it only mutes the 2.1 speakers...and i am absolutely lost as how to get it fixed....i have been trying lots of stuff and
[07:04] <willreed03> nothing seems to work...any help or advice would be greatly appreciated
[07:04] <rag> fdoving: JosefK: Sister's pupil-adult (Juan-John) say him that gnulinux not compatible with nothing!
[07:04] <Acidic> then sudo ifconfig eth0
[07:05] <ubuntu> FATAL; module net not found
[07:05] <Acidic> hold on
[07:05] <constantine-xvi> how compatible is KHTML (Konqueror) to WebKit (Safari)?
[07:06] <rag> fdoving: JosefK: i only offer courses gnu/linux , but only my last class is win, all class are gnulinux, except one, i want offer the best computer-study
[07:06] <edinaldo> hi for all
[07:06] <Acidic> type
[07:06] <constantine-xvi> just want to know so i dont need a mac to test sites
[07:06] <Acidic> ubuntu: sg | grep "net"
[07:06] <Acidic> soz
[07:06] <Acidic> ubuntu: dmesg | grep "net"
[07:07] <edinaldo> hi
[07:07] <BonBonTheJon> edinaldo: hi
[07:07] <edinaldo> hi
[07:07] <edinaldo> i'm from Brazil,So Paulo
[07:07] <rag> fdoving: JosefK: but sisters, family, girl-friend, boyfriend, and more are my competition , they never have seen linux because are adict-users of M$
[07:08] <hammer> hi ppl
[07:08] <ubuntu> initializing netlink socket (disabled)
[07:08] <fladd> hi there, has anyone got xgi and beryl run under edgy?
[07:08] <rag> fdoving: JosefK: which suggest for i tell John pupil?
[07:08] <timothy_> what is the xgl and baryl kubuntu channel?
[07:08] <rag> fdoving: JosefK: which suggest for you
[07:08] <LjL> !xgl > timothy_
[07:08] <fdoving> rag, please use #kubuntu-offtopic for non support issues.
[07:09] <JosefK> is there any way to enable scriptable plugins under Konqueror?  Realplayer complains, and the BBC Radio site doesn't really function properly
[07:09] <ubuntu>  acidic : nitializing netlink socket (disabled)
[07:10] <hammer> kubuntu's not so good as i expected...
[07:10] <BonBonTheJon> hammer: what isn't working right
[07:10] <ricanelite> Hey guys, I have a quick questions? When I open Firefox and the font size of the menus, like "File, Edit, View" It is large. How can I adjust that
[07:10] <rag> fdoving: thx, bye
[07:11] <hammer> BonBonTheJon: mp3. I've just installed it, read some faq's and still cant get everything work =(
[07:11] <BonBonTheJon> hammer: what are you trying to listen to mp3s in?
[07:11] <hammer> amarok. i've xine engine. gstremer refuses to be downloaded =)
[07:12] <BonBonTheJon> !mp3
[07:12] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:12] <JosefK> hammer: if you're on kubuntu using amarok, you only need the libxine-extracodecs package
[07:12] <ricanelite> Can anyone tell me how can I adjust my font size on Firefox and I mean the Fonts on the Toolbar, On File, Edit, it is too big
[07:13] <hammer> JosefK: where can i find it?
[07:13] <Acidic_> ubuntu: modprobe 8139too
[07:13] <JosefK> hammer: you'll need to enable Multiverse first, I'll find a link to the Wiki
[07:13] <fdoving> rag, you're welcome, bye :)
[07:13] <JosefK> hammer: after you've enabled multiverse, it's just 'sudo aptitude install libxine-extracodecs', or you can get it using Adept
[07:14] <BonBonTheJon> any one know how to view DocBook in KDE
[07:14] <hammer> JosefK: in which repository? i've just searched and didn't find it..
[07:14] <JosefK> hammer: it's in multiverse :) it isn't enabled by default
[07:15] <JosefK> hammeR: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:15] <ubuntu> acidic module 8139 noit found
[07:15] <Acidic_> noo
[07:16] <hammer> !wtf multiverse
[07:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wtf multiverse - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:16] <Acidic_> sudo modprobe 8139too
[07:16] <BonBonTheJon> !multiverse
[07:16] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:16] <JosefK> hammer: hehe, it's all explained on that page
[07:17] <hammer> JosefK: i've already added some reps...
[07:17] <ubuntu> is that too? letter o? or number 0
[07:17] <Acidic_> letter ooo
[07:17] <ubuntu> ok when i used sudo another prompt opened up
[07:17] <Acidic_> s/ooo/oo
[07:17] <Acidic_> mm
[07:17] <ubuntu> and 2 beeps
[07:18] <Acidic_> good
[07:18] <Acidic_> type cd /dev
[07:18] <Acidic_> then ls | grep "eth"
[07:18] <Acidic_> cd /dev/net
[07:18] <Acidic_> even
[07:18] <hammer> JosefK: which repository should i add?
[07:18] <ubuntu> ok
[07:19] <izzyb_> I'm pulling my hair out trying to fix a couple of printing problems.  The first is with a lexmark p3150.  I have it almost working using the z600 driver, but it prints with the black shifted to the left about half an inch or so
[07:19] <ubuntu> ok
[07:19] <Acidic_> ubuntu: type sudo ifconfig eth0
[07:19] <izzyb_> if I print just black, it's cut off on the left, if I print something with colour, the colour looks correct, but the black is shifted to the left
[07:19] <ubuntu> device not found
[07:20] <izzyb_> anyone aware of this problem?
[07:20] <Acidic_> what network card you using?
[07:20] <ubuntu> xircom rem56g
[07:20] <Acidic_> ok
[07:20] <ubuntu> it work perfectly fine with 5.10...
[07:20] <izzyb_> This link was usuful in helping me get this far, but it doesn't talk about this problem that I seen anyway
[07:20] <izzyb_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=49714
[07:21] <izzyb_> it does suggest that the driver works with the P3150, but with some shading issues.
[07:21] <Acidic_> ubuntu: is it pcmia?
[07:21] <ubuntu> yes
[07:21] <izzyb_> I can't say as I've noticed any shading issues, just the missalignment of black
[07:26] <kinema> Is it just beta isos or all kubuntu iso that aren't availialbe from tracker.ubuntu.com?
[07:26] <hammer> JosefK: no more help to lamerz? =)
[07:26] <Acidic_> ubuntu: sudo modprobe
[07:26] <Acidic_> ubuntu: sudo modprobe xirc2ps_cs
[07:26] <Acidic_> even
[07:26] <ubuntu> ok another prompt whats next
[07:26] <Acidic_> type ifconfig eth0
[07:26] <ubuntu> device not found again
[07:26] <Acidic_> ubuntu: dang, ill do some more research, hold on
[07:27] <ubuntu> thanks thnaks....really helps to know someone helps
[07:28] <jarn> Ugh, I always forget... where is sources.list?
[07:33] <fdoving> jarn: /etc/apt/
[07:33] <Hawkwind> If you forget, locate sources.list  would tell you :)
[07:33] <jarn> fdoving: Thanks.
[07:33] <jarn> Hawkwind: Thanks.
[07:33] <hammer> blin
[07:33] <hammer> zhopy
[07:33] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[07:33] <MetaMorfoziS> i have a little problem: http://metamorfozis.hu/p/Kep29.jpg [640*480 phone image] , what can i do to get it work?
[07:33] <larson999> any coders in here who have designed an app that uses a dialog for overwritiing existing files like in a bulk move or copy?
[07:33] <fdoving> MetaMorfoziS: 'mount -o remount,rw' and then 'fsck -y /dev/hda4'
[07:33] <MetaMorfoziS> okay, and can you tell me what is the problem, how importatnt it and etc?
[07:35] <izzyb_> MetaMorfoziS: looks like a disk fault
[07:35] <MetaMorfoziS> and what -y does?
[07:35] <jarn> Is there a way to force a program to open in a specific desktop from the command line?
[07:35] <TheGateKeeper> larson999: I do a fair amount of UI stuff on windows, don't know if I can help?
[07:35] <MetaMorfoziS> jarn yes: export DISPLAY=:#displaynum#
[07:36] <MetaMorfoziS> beore you start the app
[07:36] <hammer> how do i add multiverse repository in Kubuntu?
[07:36] <jarn> Thanks. :D
[07:36] <MetaMorfoziS> nm:)
[07:36] <TheGateKeeper> !repos > hammer
[07:36] <BluesKaj> tried running dapper in VMWare but  VMTools wouldn't install, so i dumped it
[07:37] <larson999> TheGateKeeper, i want to add a 'no to all' button to some of the programs i use and am wondering if there is some fundamental design reason why many of the dialogs don't have one.
[07:37] <MetaMorfoziS> okay thx all, i try that, i hope it have man...
[07:37] <izzyb_> MetaMorfoziS: the -y tells it to assume yes I believe
[07:37] <izzyb_> instead of prompting you to fix everything
[07:37] <BluesKaj> ! VMWare
[07:37] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository. Instructions to install VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMWare
[07:37] <fdoving> MetaMorfoziS: -y attempts to fix filesystem corruption automatically.
[07:37] <MetaMorfoziS> thx
[07:38] <larson999> TheGateKeeper, it bugs the heck out of me when the dialog has a 'yes to all' by no 'no to all'
[07:38] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm going to try
[07:38] <TheGateKeeper> larson999: seems reasonable to me & if that is what users want then provide them with it
[07:39] <malcolm> Does anyone know of a good image editor for Kubuntu, basicaly all i want is the equivalant of windows' paint
[07:39] <hammer> so.. as far as i know i've enabled multiverse universe everything... but no libxine-extracodecs can be found there (((
[07:39] <TheGateKeeper> larson999: got a screenshot of your dialog?
[07:40] <BonBonTheJon> hammer: did you update
[07:40] <hammer> BonBonTheJon: u mean Fetch? yes i did. and from console too =)
[07:40] <BonBonTheJon> malcolm: krita isn't too difficult
[07:40] <Hawkwind> hammer: You might want to post your sources.list to http://pastebin.ulteo.us
[07:40] <jarn> Is it possible to use multiline aliases in bash?
[07:41] <BonBonTheJon> hammer: 'sudo apt-get update'
[07:41] <malcolm> i've got krita but it tells me it's got a bug and it won't load
[07:41] <izzyb_> jarn: maybe with use of a \ at the end of the line.  never tried though.  might want to implement it as a function instead though
[07:41] <jarn> I'll just do it as a script.
[07:42] <hammer> Hawkwind: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/169
[07:42] <BonBonTheJon> !kolourpaint
[07:42] <ubotu> kolourpaint: a simple paint program for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 1030 kB, installed size 2328 kB
[07:42] <izzyb_> jarn: that works too :)
[07:42] <BonBonTheJon> malcolm: try kolourpaint
[07:42] <hammer> BonBonTheJon: thx, i know
[07:42] <jarn> izzyb_: ;)
[07:43] <Hawkwind> hammer: First things first, you've got both Dapper and Breezy repos in your sources.list
[07:43] <izzyb_> jarn: if you just want to string a bunch of commands together, there's always ; or &&
[07:43] <BonBonTheJon> hammer: try easysource
[07:43] <BonBonTheJon> !easysource
[07:43] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:43] <hammer> Hawkwind: I thought that's ok...
[07:43] <Hawkwind> hammer: Secondly, you only have multiverse and universe enabled for things like back-ports and extras.  You need them enabled for everything
[07:43] <jarn> izzyb_: Oh yeah. :P Oh well, I'll keep it as a script. Easier to edit that way.
[07:43] <Hawkwind> hammer: What are you running exactly, Dapper or Breezy ?
[07:43] <jarn> How do I make something open in a different desktop from the command line? Someone told me export DESKTOP=:desktopnumber, but that gave me errors.
[07:44] <hammer> 6.06 dapper, as far as i know
[07:44] <Hawkwind> hammer: Then you should remove all the Breezy repos.  You don't need them
[07:44] <izzyb_> silly question, but which is newer, dapper or breezy, and how do you tell which you are running?
[07:44] <Hawkwind> hammer: lsb_release -a will tell you exactly what you're running
[07:44] <BonBonTheJon> Hawkwind: do you know if there is a command to see what version you are using
[07:44] <Hawkwind> izzyb_: Dapper
[07:44] <jarn> izzyb_: Dapper.
[07:44] <Hawkwind> BonBonTheJon: lsb_release -a
[07:44] <BonBonTheJon> Hawkwind: lol
[07:45] <larson999> TheGateKeeper, oh, it's just the standard dialog you get when you want to do something like a bulk copy.  like in a filemanager.  the specific one i want to change is Thunar.  so if some of the files you want to copy already exist in the target you get a dialog that says, 'The file exists.  Do you want to replace it?'  Then there is 'Yes','No', 'Yes to all'  but there is no 'No to all'.  so if there happen to be multiple existing fil
[07:45] <larson999> es you want to replace you get a message for each.  this is common in quite a few programs i've seen over the years and i'm just curious if there is some reason i've missed.
[07:45] <Hawkwind> hammer: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=545.0
[07:45] <Hawkwind> hammer: That is a post on my forums with my exact sources.list.  You might want to take a look at it
[07:46] <izzyb_> Hawkwind, jarn: thanks.  how do you tell which you have (/me sure he is running dapper)
[07:46] <Hawkwind> izzyb_: lsb_release -a  will tell you what you are running be it Dapper or Breezy or whatever
[07:46] <ubuntu> acuduc thanks for the help burt i guess this is not going to work thanks anyway
[07:47] <izzyb_> hmm, I'd never have guessed that one.  isn't lsb linux standards base?
[07:47] <Hawkwind> izzyb_: In most cases that is what LSB stands for, correct
[07:47] <izzyb_> in this case?
[07:48] <Hawkwind> izzyb_: I can only assume it stands for the same thing in this case
[07:48] <hammer> Hawkwind: ok. Thank you very much!
[07:49] <izzyb_> Hawkwind: the man confirms
[07:49] <TheGateKeeper> larson999: now you have explained it a little more I think that extra functionality would be an excellent idea, providing users understand what that button does in the context of that dialog then I can no reason for not doing it
[07:49] <hammer> and thx to others who helped!
[07:49] <tiger_> anyone know how to get compiz up?
[07:50] <BonBonTheJon> !compiz
[07:50] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[07:51] <larson999> TheGateKeeper, i agree but in my mind it's so basic i can't believe it's not in them all.  for instance i happen to be in windows now and that's how explore works, too.  in fact it seems like most of the time there is no 'no to all'.  so i just figured i'd ask around to see if there was some reason that i haven't thought of.
[07:51] <Hawkwind> hammer: You're welcome.  Hope you get/got it working :)
[07:52] <MetaMorfoziS> heyhey
[07:52] <MetaMorfoziS> thank you guys
[07:52] <B-Minus> hey all
[07:52] <MetaMorfoziS> it worked, i'm form my sweet kubu yeah
[07:52] <larson999> maybe the great hawkwind knows why so often there is no 'no to all' in the copy/move dialogs
[07:52] <TheGateKeeper> larson999: oversight by the linux programmers by the sound of it
[07:53] <larson999> TheGateKeeper, and windows programmers it appears
[07:53] <TheGateKeeper> larson999: quite possible :-)
[07:53] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:53] <Hawkwind> larson999: No to all would be the same thing as 'Cancel'
[07:54] <berkes> does anyone know if there is a feature in KDE that lets me store a web-page together with all the CSS and images and stuff?
[07:54] <Hawkwind> So filling up a dialog with a No To All option would be pretty much a waste of space since Cancel does the same thing
[07:54] <hammer> Hawkwind: i'm updating packages. I'm on dialup =)
[07:54] <JosefK> Hawkwind: it's "no" only to the files that already exist, not all files
[07:54] <rag> aptitude --assume-yes install openoffice.org-l10n-es &
[07:54] <MetaMorfoziS> can i check what files damaged?
[07:55] <fdoving> MetaMorfoziS: check /lost+found
[07:55] <rag> with & background is possible?
[07:55] <Hawkwind> hammer: Ah ok.  That'll take a while :P
[07:55] <rag> aptitude in background with & is possible?
[07:55] <abattoir> berkes: Location->Save As in konqueror doesn't do that?
[07:55] <berkes> abattoir: nope. It stores only the HTML
[07:55] <larson999> Hawkwind, not exactly.  'cancel' stops the whole bulk copy.  'no to all' would answer no to the replace question when a file with the same name exists.
[07:56] <MetaMorfoziS> i have nothing in that folder
[07:56] <JosefK> larson999: if you're interested, that feature seems to be in Edgy
[07:56] <JosefK> larson999: "Skip" and "Auto Skip"
[07:56] <Hawkwind> larson999: Oh I gotcha.  I was misunderstanding then.  I know Konqueror has a 'Skip' and 'Skip All' option
[07:57] <Hawkwind> It's been in konqueror for years
[07:57] <Hawkwind> Not 'Skip All', but Auto Skip as JosefK mentioned
[07:57] <B-Minus> In openoffice i have very bad fonts, check this screenshot please :http://www.ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=17811&d=1161249746
[07:57] <TheGateKeeper> larson999: skip & autoskip would probable be better labels for the buttons
[07:57] <B-Minus> you see citrix thats good fonts, but in the background openoffice
[07:58] <B-Minus> its the same file
[07:58] <larson999> Hawkwind, yeah, some programs have it but most that i've used don't.  so i was just wondering if there was some reason most didn't implement it.  sounds like there might not be a good reason
[07:58] <Hawkwind> However, konqueror is one of the only apps I know that has that.  I can't recall any others that have something similar
[07:59] <abattoir> berkes: Tools -> Archive Web Page
[07:59] <larson999> JosefK, thanks.  edgy will be released soon enough.
[07:59] <JosefK> larson999: the release candidate's coming out today
[07:59] <abattoir> berkes: isn't that what you needed?
[07:59] <larson999> TheGateKeeper, maybe but if the dialog already says 'yes to all' i'll probably use no to all unless i want to change the whole dialog
[07:59] <Hawkwind> larson999: Seems there would be some good reason, but yet if enough people request it, maybe it could get added to certain apps/programs or to all apps/programs
[07:59] <rag> JosefK: hi again, aptitude backgroun, is possible? with &
[08:00] <exhale> hey, does anyone have any problem using kate from the terminal? i cant get it to launch
[08:00] <JosefK> rag: I'm not sure how backgrounding plays with GNU Readline, I guess that's one you'll just have to try?
[08:01] <rag> i try it, but no work
[08:01] <rag> JosefK: i try it, but not works
[08:01] <JosefK> rag: there's your answer then :)
[08:01] <BonBonTheJon> B-Minus: what is the problem, the fonts look fine
[08:02] <rag> JosefK: what?
[08:02] <exhale> is there an alternative to kate?
[08:02] <JosefK> rag: it looks like you can't background aptitude then
[08:02] <rag> JosefK, i test it but no
[08:02] <larson999> Hawkwind, you'd think.  i'm a programmer and filemanagers are kinda old hat.  i'm just trying to picture someone actually designing the dialog.  when i have a 'yes' option i always include the corresponding 'no' option unless there is a good reason.  maybe i'll ask one of the projects why they left it off.  in this case thunar.
[08:02] <BonBonTheJon> exhale: for basic text editing, try kwrite
[08:03] <rag> JosefK: perdon, i dont understand you jose
[08:03] <JosefK> rag: sorry, I mean - so aptitude isn't compatible with & - you'll have to find another way
[08:03] <exhale> thanks BonBonTheJon
[08:03] <rag> JosefK: ok
[08:04] <[GuS] > Hi prople, after upgrade yesterday to proftpd 1.3.0, seems i cant run the service usign the same .conf file that was working before this... but if i use the default that comes with proftpd, works fine
[08:04] <exhale> damn i just get error messeges either launching kate or kwrite through konsole :(
[08:04] <[GuS] > here my debug: http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/210350
[08:04] <[GuS] > and here my conf.: http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/210351
[08:04] <[GuS] > i will be glad if someone could help me :)
[08:04] <exhale> http://pastebin.ca/210359
[08:04] <rag> JosefK: my need is: i want run aptitude on distinct machine
[08:04] <BonBonTheJon> exhale: its common to get errors starting some apps from konsole, don't worry
[08:05] <JosefK> rag: I think you're looking for 'screen'
[08:05] <JosefK> rag: man screen - for more information
[08:05] <rag> JosefK: i run: ssh root@remote_host aptitude --assume-yes install openoffice.org-l10n-es
[08:05] <BonBonTheJon> exhale: does it still start up
[08:06] <exhale> BonBonTheJon:  no it doesnt
[08:06] <rag> JosefK: screen open other terminals....?
[08:07] <JosefK> rag: no, but you can 'detach' a screen on a remote host, and it keeps the process running
[08:07] <exhale> i really need something to edit config files.. lol
[08:07] <JosefK> rag: so you can disconnect, but leave aptitude running, for instance
[08:07] <B-Minus> BonBonTheJon: the font looks fine in citrix, but check on the background
[08:07] <rag> JosefL: i dont see it
[08:07] <B-Minus> BonBonTheJon: there is openoffice and the fonts there are ugly and bad
[08:08] <rag> JosefK: my target is: run various ssh aptitude... on various machine
[08:09] <BonBonTheJon> B-Minus: in linux you must have anti-aliasing on, so the font looks smooth, in windows it looks blocky
[08:09] <JosefK> rag: yes, you can script ssh sessions, and use shared keys to ease connecting, but you've got a lot of reading to do
[08:10] <jarn> How do I make something open in a different desktop from the command line? Someone told me export DESKTOP=:desktopnumber, but that gave me errors.
[08:10] <fdoving> jarn use kstart
[08:10] <JosefK> jarn: you need the other desktop to run 'xhost +'
[08:10] <rag> JosefK: shared keys?
[08:10] <hammer> btw, kppp won't work... it sends wrong username while logging in...
[08:10] <JosefK> rag: like I said, a lot of reading to do
[08:10] <fdoving> jarn: desktop as in kde virtual desktop?
[08:10] <jarn> fdoving: Yes.
[08:10] <fdoving> jarn: then use kstart
[08:11] <rag> Josefk: where is possible read?
[08:11] <exhale> does anyone have problems launching kwrite and kate through konsole?
[08:11] <rag> JosefK: do you know, l glad read ;-)
[08:11] <JosefK> rag: "man ssh" and "man aptitude" are good places to start, "man screen" too if you're interested
[08:11] <jarn> fdoving: Thanks.
[08:11] <JosefK> rag: after that, googling's probably best
[08:11] <fdoving> jarn: as an example: 'kstart --desktop 2 kate' for more info '#kstart' in konqueror
[08:12] <jarn> fdoving: Yep, I figured out how it works. Thanks a lot. :D
[08:13] <rag> JosefK: which is the equivalent for Menu Session --> new terminal?
[08:13] <BluesKaj> funny stuff here , http://dojaja.biz/forum/viewtopic.php?t=61
[08:13] <rag> JosefK: screen is for open other terminal?
[08:13] <TheGateKeeper> exhale: you would probable be better off launching gui apps from Run Command... rather than the cli
[08:13] <JosefK> rag: Ctl+Shift+N
[08:14] <JosefK> rag: screen does something similar to opening another terminal, but you can disconnect from it and leave it running on the machine
[08:15] <rag> JosefK: and equivalent code for ctrl+shift+n?
[08:15] <rag> JosefK: for console
[08:15] <JosefK> I don't think there is, but I also think you miss the point
[08:15] <rag> JosefK: ok , i'll try to screen aptitude ...
[08:16] <JosefK> rag: in your situation, I'd probably put a simple cron-job on the machines to have them pull a list of packages to download/changes to make from an HTTP server somewhere, and then run aptitude
[08:17] <rag> JosefK: ok screen open other session with cmd pass like parameter
[08:17] <JosefK> rag: or apt-get etc., you can watch/kill aptitude as needed (store the pid in /var or /tmp somewhere)
[08:17] <JosefK> rag: indeed
[08:20] <berkes> abbatoir, that is what I needed, yes
[08:21] <rag> JosefK: yeah is other posibility, i thought it too
[08:21] <rag> JosefK: cron , but your get pid for what?
[08:22] <rag>  JosefK: i don't understand you for get pid?
[08:22] <JosefK> rag: just so you can keep track of which aptitude you ran
[08:23] <rag> JosefK: ok you say me for kill sessions?
[08:23] <JosefK> rag: yes, that kind of thing, and you'd be able to tell if a run was terminated by a reboot etc.
[08:23] <rag> JosefK: other things , how to get trac of aptitude?
[08:24] <rag> JosefK: what you suggest command for trac? how to?
[08:25] <JosefK> rag: you'd do it by hand - you can get the PID of the program after you run it in bash, google for the "Advanced Bash Scripting Guide"
[08:26] <rag> JosefK: for example ps -aux | grep aptitude and link to awt , true?
[08:26] <JosefK> rag: no, that's dangerous - what if the user ran another aptitude?
[08:26] <JosefK> rag: you want $! - try running 'ls' a few times, then 'echo $!' immediately afterwards
[08:27] <rag> JosefK: but user not works other aptitude job because i use cron...
[08:27] <fdoving> rag, you can use 'pidof aptitude'
[08:27] <fdoving> to get the pid of a running aptitude.. that is.
[08:27] <JosefK> true, but (IMO) that's bad practice if you were the one that started the command
[08:28] <fdoving> JosefK: yeah, using something like start-stop-daemon would be much cleaner.
[08:28] <rag> JosefK: ok i run pidof aptitude and it say me , 4 jobs for aptitude
[08:29] <Vegeta^> Why is it that Azureus' message boxes (the ones that can pop up in the right low corner) can't be closed, it's like it freezes. Has anyone heard about this problem?
[08:29] <fdoving> Vegeta^: update to newest version (cvs if the newest released still gives you problems)..
[08:29] <JosefK> rag: that's exactly why I don't like using something like 'pidof' if I already know which aptitude I'm after
[08:31] <campbch> ello
[08:31] <gemidjy> can anyone give me the sources.lst file from Kubuntu Edgy Beta live cd ?
[08:31] <rag> JosefK: what? aptitude not is good?
[08:31] <campbch> anyone know how to add the repository that has the 915resolution package?
[08:31] <rag> JosefK: leave lost jobs?
[08:32] <JosefK> rag: it looks like it there rag, but I don't know what's hapenning on your system either
[08:32] <yokobr> anyone knows a good howto to install beryl under kubuntu dapper??!
[08:32] <campbch> like, 10,000 packages and nothing good on >.< for resolution fixing, that is
[08:32] <JosefK> rag: even then, it's generally bad to pray that there'll only be one instance of a program running (the one you want) at a time
[08:32] <JosefK> rag: it'll break at some point
[08:32] <TheGateKeeper> campbch: it's in universe
[08:32] <rag> JosefK: ok, i test it , thx you , you are a good computer boy ;-)
[08:33] <JosefK> rag: software engineering student ;)
[08:34] <BluesKaj> TheGateKeeper: any idea how many mirrors are being setup for Edgy on Oct 26 ?
[08:34] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj: sorry no idea
[08:35] <gemidjy> can anyone give me the sources.lst file from Kubuntu Edgy Beta live cd ?
[08:35] <BluesKaj> prolly be totally inundated with DL requests
[08:35] <BluesKaj> !Kubuntu Edgy Beta Live CD
[08:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Kubuntu Edgy Beta Live CD - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:36] <TheGateKeeper> !edgy
[08:36] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[08:36] <BluesKaj> !Edgy
[08:36] <yokobr> well......please........ i cant find a good howto............... i need a clean and dry kubuntu dapper beryl howto
[08:36] <fdoving> yokobr: try #ubuntu-xgl
[08:37] <yokobr> how can i install new themes??
[08:37] <BluesKaj> gemidjy: why not wait til next thurs when the stable official release version comes out
[08:37] <yokobr> in gnome is just paste on .theme =/
[08:37] <bLaZeD> hello whats the package name for tcl?..... apt-get install tcl says :
[08:37] <bLaZeD> Package tcl is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:37] <bLaZeD> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:37] <bLaZeD> is only available from another source
[08:38] <BluesKaj> what is tcl ?
[08:38] <gemidjy> BluesKaj: well I need to compare something, not that I need to use them
[08:38] <gemidjy> scripting language
[08:38] <bLaZeD> BluesKaj, its a programing langue
[08:39] <BonBonTheJon> !tcl
[08:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tcl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:39] <bLaZeD> !info tcl
[08:39] <ubotu> Package tcl does not exist in any distro I know
[08:39] <bLaZeD> umm yes it does
[08:39] <BluesKaj> oh, something i won' t be using in the near future or prolly never
[08:39] <bLaZeD> u silly bot'
[08:39] <JosefK> !info tcl8.0
[08:39] <ndc> Package tcl is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:39] <ubotu> tcl8.0: Tcl (the Tool Command Language) v8.0 - run-time files. In component main, is extra. Version 8.0.5-8.1 (dapper), package size 314 kB, installed size 792 kB
[08:40] <bLaZeD> ahh cool imma go give it a whirl
[08:42] <Vegeta^> fdoving: Thanks, it worked that way. Btw how do I install plugins manually? It fails to it auto and says "Permission denied".
[08:42] <rag> JosefK: where is you from?
[08:42] <JosefK> rag: from the UK, how come?
[08:43] <rag> JosefK: spanish boy
[08:43] <JosefK> rag: heh, nah, the name's from Kafka, the protagonist in "The Trial"
[08:43] <rag> JosefK: do you know gentoo?
[08:43] <JosefK> rag: I tried it once, but figured I could achieve the same level of interest by watching 'cat /dev/random' for a few hours
[08:44] <fdoving> Vegeta^: don't know.
[08:44] <rag> JosefK: its goo
[08:44] <rag> JosefK: its good
[08:44] <rag> JosefK: bye Jose and thx!
[08:44] <JosefK> rag: yeah, it looks like it, unfortunately I don't have the free time :) np's, and good luck
[08:45] <jarn> I'm trying to kill something and, even after I kill it, it doesn't kill. The process is still running.
[08:45] <JosefK> jarn: zombie?  or have you tried 'kill -9' yet?
[08:46] <jarn> JosefK: What is kill -9? And what is a zombie?
[08:47] <JosefK> jarn: 'kill -9' is lethal, it's the ninja of kill commands.  it can't be blocked, and generally processes have no choice but to die.  usually unclean too
[08:47] <jarn> JosefK: Ah, kill -9 killed it. Thanks!
[08:47] <JosefK> jarn: zombie's are a whole different cake though, you have to kill the parent (think alien), or they'll keep coming back - np's :)
[08:48] <LjL> omg zombies, aliens...
[08:48] <rag> JosefK: gentoo safe time for you :)
[08:49] <rag> JosefK: i doubt , ubuntu is open source, true? or free software?
[08:49] <boguh> just installed kubuntu and now cant listen mp3 files, what went wrong?
[08:50] <JosefK> rag: free software, although some non-free is distributed on the installation CDs these days
[08:50] <brainwashed> boguh: Nothing, It's supposed not to support mp3 out of the box.
[08:50] <jarn> How do I check the permissions on things?
[08:50] <BonBonTheJon> boguh: you need to install support for mp3
[08:50] <JosefK> !multiverse > boguh
[08:50] <B-Minus> whats the command again to check kernel version ?
[08:50] <JosefK> !mp3 > boguh
[08:50] <BonBonTheJon> B-Minus: 'uname -r'
[08:50] <B-Minus> tnx
[08:52] <fdoving> jarn: 'ls -l /path/to/thing' or rightclick -> properties in konqueror.
[08:52] <fdoving> jarn: or 'stat /path/to/thing' in konsole.
[08:53] <BonBonTheJon> boguh: did you get it working
[08:54] <BonBonTheJon> yokobr: you can get themes from kde-loo.org
[08:54] <yokobr> but how do i install them???
[08:54] <jarn> fdoving: Thanks. How do I change the permissions?
[08:54] <BonBonTheJon> jarn: chmod
[08:54] <fdoving> jarn: use konqueror -> properties, or 'chmod' on the commandline.
[08:56] <BonBonTheJon> yokobr: icons go in /usr/share/icons
[08:57] <exhale> does kubuntu allow root to run X programs via the terminal by default?
[08:57] <yokobr> i want to add themes, like window decorations , but i dont know how to install
[08:58] <jarn> !chmod
[08:58] <ubotu> The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[08:58] <fdoving> exhale: not without 'kdesu'.
[08:59] <fdoving> exhale: you would need to run 'xhost local:' as the user running the xserver, to allow other local connections to the xserver.
[08:59] <jarn> How do I make links clicked on Konversation open in a tab the Konqueror window I already have open rather than opening a new one?
[08:59] <fdoving> exhale: you can also restrict that to just root if you want.
[08:59] <exhale> ah.. thanks. that cleared up alot of issues for me. how come ubuntu allows it?
[09:00] <fdoving> exhale: do they? don't know. not familiar with the ubuntu ways of doing stuff.
[09:00] <exhale> yea it does... weird
[09:01] <jarn> How do I change the owner of a file?
[09:02] <JosefK> jarn: chown, or from Konqueror again
[09:02] <jarn> JosefK: Thanks!
[09:04] <BonBonTheJon> yokobr: look for themes that are packaged as .deb
[09:05] <BonBonTheJon> yokobr: then install them 'sudo dpkg -i file.deb'
[09:05] <ricardo> has anybody tried edgy yet?
[09:05] <zorglu_> i would bet some have :)
[09:05] <DjDarkman> I`m updating to edgy right now :)
[09:05] <JosefK> I'm using it right now :)
[09:05] <Admiral_Chicago> Edgy RC is out
[09:05] <BluesKaj> why not wait til next thurs?
[09:05] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm on edgy Beta
[09:05] <Admiral_Chicago> about to update
[09:05] <JosefK> it been uploaded to FTP servers Admiral?  nice
[09:06] <Admiral_Chicago> JosefK: let me check
[09:06] <ricardo> would you say its a safe bet? im using my laptop to work....
[09:06] <JosefK> Admiral_Chicago: yes, it's at http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[09:06] <BonBonTheJon> yokobr: you can install some themes from the repositories
[09:07] <Admiral_Chicago> JosefK: it's not on kubuntu.org yet.
[09:07] <B-Minus> !register
[09:07] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[09:07] <zorglu_> ricardo: it is up to your own estimation, personnaly i am using my computer to work as well and planned not to update to edgy. but other may say it is a 'safe bet'
[09:07] <ricardo> Admiral_Chicago: thx....
[09:07] <cpk2> BluesKaj: its next friday =P
[09:08] <ricardo> zorglu_: thank...but youre not quite answering my question ;op
[09:08] <michal_> helo all
[09:08] <cpk2> ricardo: edgy is currently beta, if you think using beta is a safe bet...
[09:08] <zorglu_> ricardo: well i did said that in *my* estimation for *my* need, it is not :)
[09:08] <boguh> BonBonTheJon amarok still doenst play mp3
[09:09] <Admiral_Chicago> cpk2: now it's an RC
[09:09] <Admiral_Chicago> pretty much stable except for last minute bug fikes
[09:09] <ricardo> ok...so ill wait a bit longer then......cant hold myself!!!
[09:09] <BonBonTheJon> !mp3
[09:09] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:09] <BluesKaj> cpk2: next thurs is the 26th
[09:09] <TheGateKeeper> BonBonTheJon: dapper or edgy?
[09:09] <cpk2> BluesKaj: so it is, i just noticed i wrote edgy on my wall calendar on the wrong day
[09:09] <cpk2> hehe
[09:10] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone know the status on python
[09:10] <BluesKaj> where i live it is anyway :)
[09:10] <zorglu_> ricardo: an alternative would be to install is on a alternative computer/partition to test its stability and switch it as usual envirtonement once you estimate it stable enougth
[09:10] <BonBonTheJon> TheGateKeeper: I have dapper
[09:10] <Admiral_Chicago> and why those packages are being held back still
[09:10] <barktpolar> Is it OK to install Kubuntu inot a USB HD
[09:10] <barktpolar> into*
[09:10] <JosefK> Admiral_Chicago: python25's in edgy
[09:10] <zorglu_> ricardo: it is what i plan to do in a 3-5 months, but appenrently i dont feel the same urge as you :)
[09:10] <ricardo> zorglu_: ok..i thnk ill wait.....(damn!)
[09:11] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: it probably is not a viable option
[09:11] <Admiral_Chicago> JosefK: my apt is still holding back about 20 odd pacakages
[09:11] <TheGateKeeper> BonBonTheJon: use the xine engine in amarok & libxine-extracodecs & mp3 should work fine, they do on mine
[09:11] <barktpolar> viable option???
[09:11] <TheGateKeeper> !libxine-extracodecs
[09:11] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[09:11] <TheGateKeeper> BonBonTheJon: ^^^^
[09:11] <BonBonTheJon> boguh: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[09:11] <barktpolar> WHat does viable mean?
[09:11] <htraki> I think U should try MPlayer
[09:12] <odla> what's the defualt kwin style in kubuntu edgy?
[09:12] <JosefK> !dict viable
[09:12] <ubotu> dict: Dictionary Client. In component main, is optional. Version 1.10.2-3 (dapper), package size 72 kB, installed size 228 kB
[09:12] <JosefK> shameful :(
[09:12] <Durman> 
[09:12] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: I mean, it would be so slow it wouldn't be very useful
[09:12] <barktpolar> WHat about Ubuntu
[09:12] <BluesKaj> latestest amarok release and repos www.imbrandon.com
[09:12] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: they are about the same size
[09:13] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: you can try it, and come and tell us how it works
[09:13] <JosefK> odla: it's plastik for windows/controls, with a kind of purple (not a fan) default colour
[09:13] <barktpolar> I'll have to do that with windows then
[09:13] <odla> JosefK: so is that the windows decorator is plastik?
[09:14] <JosefK> odla: yes, and the style
[09:14] <odla> ok
[09:14] <odla> thanks
[09:14] <B-Minus> f
[09:14] <JosefK> np, I think there was some discussion about changing style to lipstik, but I don't know if that'll get done before release
[09:15] <barktpolar> My Mom does not want the internet enabled with Kubuntu
 My Mom does not want the internet enabled with Kubuntu <- what do you mean ?
[09:15] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: may i ask why
[09:16] <barktpolar> She said that Ubuntu ruinedour dial-up once and we had to get it back
[09:16] <shanky> how could I change the codificacion from utf-8 to iso8859-15 in the whole kubuntu?
[09:16] <JosefK> shanky: advanced mode on the alternate installer, not sure how/if you can do it on an already installed system though
[09:17] <zorglu_> barktpolar: is she working with computer ? i mean is she just repeating what isp told her ? or she may have actual knowledge
[09:17] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: you can take out the hard drive and install it in your computer, then set up dual boot so you have linux and windows
[09:17] <zorglu_> what am doing?
[09:17] <barktpolar> She is a basic user
[09:17] <JosefK> maybe Ubuntu didn't have an AOL icon?  that's my guess, at least
[09:17] <barktpolar> I'm installing it in the USB HD cause I have Win2k inthe main driv eand I don't want to remove it
[09:18] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: you can switch between them
[09:18] <barktpolar> I am, I'm dual-booting
[09:18] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: Win2k and ...
[09:18] <barktpolar> Kubuntu in USB HD, Windows in Main Drive
[09:18] <barktpolar> or Ubuntu or SLAX
[09:19] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: if you put both drives in the computer, you can pick which you want to boot when the computer turns on
[09:19] <ricanelite> Hello, I have a HP All-in-one Printer 1410 series. How can I get it working on Ubuntu? Because I went to System Settings. But when I try to print out a Test Page it says it went through but my printer does not do anything
[09:19] <barktpolar> What about GRUB, Is theer a option to put it in the main drive
[09:20] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: yes, grub can go on the main drive
[09:20] <zorglu_> BonBonTheJon:  barktpolar: maybe the bios already allows to boot on usb disk if they are availble ?
[09:20] <barktpolar> No it does'nt
[09:20] <BonBonTheJon> zorglu_: he's running Win2k, did they support boot from usb back then
[09:20] <barktpolar> I'm going to go now, I'm going to install Kubuntu
[09:20] <zorglu_> ok
[09:20] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: where
[09:21] <barktpolar> The USB HD
[09:21] <barktpolar> I'll let you know what happens
[09:21] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: are you sure you can boot from usb
[09:21] <zorglu_> another possibility would be to use a cd to boot on the usb disk
[09:21] <zorglu_> just trying to find way to avoid modification of the main disk and thus avoid triggering the mom's fear
[09:21] <BonBonTheJon> yeah, but he could put the second hard drive in the computer and use grub to pick
[09:21] <cpk2> or new(er) firmware
[09:22] <BonBonTheJon> if grub goes in the mbr, and she doesn't like it, the windows cd can fix the mbr
[09:22] <zorglu_> BonBonTheJon: clearly, but seeing grub everytime you switch on the box may increase the fear
[09:23] <zorglu_> maybe a 'hiddenmenu' with a short timeout :))))))) like a sneaky one :)
[09:23] <BonBonTheJon> zorglu_: yeah, that would be good
[09:23] <cpk2> he should leave the livecd in and see what happens when mom boots up the comp and kubuntu starts >=)
[09:23] <BonBonTheJon> zorglu_: do you think running off a usb hd would work fast enough
[09:23] <cpk2> BonBonTheJon: my laptop has no internal drives and seems fine with kubuntu
[09:24] <zorglu_> BonBonTheJon: from a disk bandwidth you mean ? i dunno. yep i think it will be very usable
[09:24] <BonBonTheJon> zorglu_: it seems like usb would be too slow
[09:24] <zorglu_> cpk2: a laptop without internal drive ? which kind of beast is this
[09:24] <cpk2> zorglu_: an injured one whose internal drive died =(
[09:25] <cpk2> its way cheaper to by a standard desktop internal and case for it
[09:25] <zorglu_> BonBonTheJon: my usb disk are faster than my laptop internal one. so it is up to his own hardware
[09:25] <cpk2> whats a usb 2.0 bandwidth?
[09:25] <zorglu_> cpk2: i see..
[09:26] <BonBonTheJon> does any one have any ideas on how i can get better resolution on a laptop with a buil in card
[09:26] <zorglu_> i dunno about the nominal one, but i got 10mbyte/s from my usb2.0 disks
[09:26] <hammer> It's me again!
[09:26] <zorglu_> !resolution
[09:26] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:26] <BonBonTheJon> hi hammer
[09:26] <cpk2> so isnt that about how fast an average drive would write anyways?
[09:26] <hammer> i've removed kdelibs =D
[09:26] <zorglu_> BonBonTheJon: or if you have a 810 9xx intel there is a tool specific for it
[09:26] <apokryphos> hammer: nooo!
[09:26] <hammer> how to fix it from cd?
[09:27] <BonBonTheJon> zorglu_: my lcd and card only go up to 1024
[09:27] <zorglu_> cpk2: i dunno... it is normal
[09:27] <hammer> apokryphos: actually, it wasn't me but anyway =)
[09:27] <apokryphos> hammer: if the CD isn't a source already in your sources.list, you'll have to re-add it (should be /msg ubotu cd or apt) and then reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[09:27] <JosefK> !915resolution
[09:27] <cpk2> BonBonTheJon: 1024 x ????
[09:27] <ubotu> 915resolution: resolution modify tool for Intel graphic chipset. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5-1ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 13 kB, installed size 124 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 kfreebsd-i386)
[09:28] <BonBonTheJon> cpk2: 1024 x 768
[09:28] <cpk2> BonBonTheJon: and you cant get that right now?
[09:28] <BonBonTheJon> cpk2: I can, but i want better :)
[09:28] <hammer> apokryphos: i can't launch konqueror =)
[09:29] <cpk2> BonBonTheJon: you just said thats all your card and lcd can do?
[09:29] <apokryphos> hammer: well check your sources.list from the terminal
[09:29] <apokryphos> hammer: less /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:29] <BonBonTheJon> cpk2: is there some kind of add on graphics card i could use
[09:29] <trappist> this is awesome.  I just mounted an smb share and when I ls -l the mountpoint, it looks like this: ?--------- ? ? ? ?            ? michael
[09:29] <hammer> apokryphos: how do i add cd there?
[09:29] <BonBonTheJon> cpk2: i'm just wondering
[09:29] <cpk2> hammer: you will have to do it all from command line if you cant get kde to start
[09:30] <hammer> cpk2: what should i add to sources list?
[09:30] <cpk2> BonBonTheJon: you might be able to upgrade your video card, but if your current hw only allows you to go to 1024x 768 you shouldnt try forcing it higher
[09:30] <hammer> console isn't so much trouble =)
[09:30] <cpk2> hammer: you can still acess the internet right?
[09:31] <hammer> cpk2: but w/o browser =)
[09:31] <cpk2> hammer: then just apt-get everything you need
[09:31] <hammer> so i cant google or something
[09:31] <cpk2> shouldnt be hard at all
[09:31] <JosefK> hammer: links2 ;)
[09:31] <BonBonTheJon> hammer: install lynx
[09:31] <BonBonTheJon> !lynx
[09:31] <ubotu> Browsers available for Linux: Firefox (GTK), Opera (Qt), Konqueror (KDE/Qt), Links (terminal-based). HTTP servers: apache2
[09:31] <JosefK> !links2
[09:31] <hammer> cpk2: i'm on dial up. 18mb is too much =)
[09:31] <BonBonTheJon> that didn't help
[09:32] <BonBonTheJon> hammer: look into apt-cdrom
[09:32] <JosefK> hammer: or apt-zip, if you have access to broadband somewhere
[09:32] <chx> is there a way to limit applications CPU usage?
[09:32] <apokryphos> hammer: a simple "apt-cdrom add" should do it (make sure you have the appropriate Ubuntu cd in the drive)
[09:33] <cpk2> BonBonTheJon: now, if your hardware supports higher resolutions and kde isnt letting you pipck them then its a different story
[09:33] <BonBonTheJon> nope, i'm maxed out
[09:33] <JosefK> chx: not as such (that I know of), but you can use 'nice' to change its scheduling priority
[09:33] <zorglu_> chx: 'nice' is a command line tool for it, process accounting is another one but much harder to setup
[09:33] <BonBonTheJon> cpk2: i bought the laptop as they were ending the model, so it was old when i go it
[09:34] <chx> zorglu_: I am not afraid of hard to setup :)
[09:34] <hammer> apokryphos: right. and how do i tell apt-get to get all i need from CD, not from the internet?
[09:34] <hammer> apokryphos: i've added cd
[09:34] <apokryphos> hammer: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:34] <apokryphos> and comment out all the non-CD sources in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:34] <apokryphos> (first)
[09:34] <zorglu_> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Process-Accounting/index.html <- chx go ahead then :) the doc is old but you will have the basis to go further
[09:35] <apokryphos> you'll also have to do sudo apt-get update after that
[09:35] <mietek> 1741288
[09:35] <chx> zorglu_: this is not old, this is ancient
[09:37] <cpk2> chx: nah ancient would be early 90's =)
[09:37] <JosefK> is accounting even enabled in the generic Ubuntu kernels?
[09:37] <chx> whee Edgy RC
[09:37] <JosefK> heh, so it is "CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT_V3=y"
[09:40] <zorglu_> chx: you could try 'ulimit' stuff then
[09:40] <chx> No manual entry for ulimit
[09:42] <chx> zorglu_: http://www.ss64.com/bash/ulimit.html this tells me that " The maximum amount of cpu time in seconds. " but I need percent
[09:42] <chx> some of my processes (web browser...) run for weeks
[09:42] <trappist> is ssh://hostname supposed to open a console window, or a file manager in konqueror?
[09:43] <zorglu_> hmmmmm
[09:43] <hammer> oh man...
[09:43] <zorglu_> chx: maybe playing with the RT_SCHEDULER
[09:43] <hammer> it doesn't find kdelibs-bin on cd...
[09:43] <chx> zorglu_: thanks for your patience and kind help
[09:44] <zorglu_> np, next time you want unconclusive answer, think about me :)
[09:45] <cpk2> is kdelibs-bin old now anyways?
[09:45] <cpk2> hammer: just do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:45] <hammer> cpk2: what do you mean&
[09:45] <hammer> cpk2: no candidates to do this... (my translation of it's words =)
[09:46] <cpk2> hammer: i dont think we use kdelibs-bin anymore, just do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:46] <cpk2> hammer: no kubuntu-desktop?
[09:46] <chx> zorglu_: what should I RTFM about RT_SCHEDULER? Googling did not help
[09:46] <hammer> cpk2: yep
[09:46] <cpk2> hammer: after adding the cd did you do apt-get update?
[09:47] <zorglu_> chx: i googled a bit without much success either... i guess i lack the proper keyword, the code is calling it rt_sched
[09:47] <cpk2> hammer: yup just what i thought I dont have kdelibs-bin installed on my box
[09:48] <hammer> cpk2: yep
[09:48] <hammer> cpk2: it says, that package is unavailable, old or not found =) but is mentioned in deps list of other packages (hope u understand me=)
[09:49] <cpk2> hammer: what else did you remove besides kdelibs-bin? since removing that shouldnt of broken anything
[09:49] <chx> zorglu_: look http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/cpulimit
[09:50] <NickNak> trappist: ssh://hostname gives a console fish://hostname gives a file manager window using ssh
[09:50] <B-Minus> i cant make my kde menu transparant ??
[09:50] <hammer> cpk2: actually, i wanted to install kamera =) and before it downloaded any packages it removed previous... so if there's a log or something then i can tell u
[09:50] <B-Minus> i could do that in previous versions of kde
[09:50] <B-Minus> they disabled the option ?
[09:51] <cpk2> hammer: try apt-get -f install
[09:51] <hammer> cpk2: already tried. it wants to remove ALL packages %)
[09:52] <cpk2> hammer: ALL? or just alot? does it want to install anything?
[09:52] <hammer> cpk2: nop
[09:52] <cpk2> nope? nope to which question?
[09:52] <hammer> cpk2: nothing to install, upgrade or download
[09:53] <hammer> cpk2: remove only =) and this will free 400mb
[09:54] <zorglu_> chx: hehe :) just looked at the source. it is quite a kludge using SIGCONT/SIGSTOP :)))) might do the job fine for you tho
[09:54] <trappist> NickNak: ah thanks - also I just saw that sftp also gives a file manager window
[09:54] <Frederick> folks why in hell eclipse has mozilla as a dependencie?
[09:54] <hammer> cpk2: i've commented out all but cdrom in sources.list
[09:55] <cpk2> hammer: try enabling your other repos again and then doing apt-get update and then apt-get -f install
[09:55] <apokryphos> hammer: so all you need to do is sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:55] <hammer> cpk2: it suggests me to download and install kdelibs-bin =)
[09:55] <leonardo> ciao a tutti
[09:56] <cpk2> hammer: well then maybe you should lol
[09:56] <apokryphos> hammer: well, it's quite a different issue if you installed packs from the Internet, which is a different matter
[09:56] <hammer> cpk2: aaa blin...
[09:56] <cpk2> ??
[09:56] <leonardo> ce quakche italiano?
[09:57] <zorglu_> !it
[09:57] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:57] <hammer> apokryphos: i've installed it today from cd.
[09:57] <apokryphos> hammer: so do the command I just said and tell me the output
[09:57] <hammer> apokryphos: it's in russian =)
[09:57] <B-Minus> hmmz, anyone know if its still possible in kde to make the kmenu transparant?
[09:57] <apokryphos> hammer: can you translate it?
[09:57] <leonardo> grazie
[09:58] <hammer> apokryphos: i'll do my best =)
[09:58] <cpk2> apokryphos: apparently the cd doesnt have kubuntu-desktop as a repo
[09:58] <jpiccolo> is it safe to install xp on a partition?
[09:58] <jpiccolo> or is it going to mess up my linux?
[09:58] <apokryphos> cpk2: it's definitely on the disk
[09:58] <chx> zorglu_: I have installed cpulimit from source works very, very OK minor problem, can't be bg 'd , started screen and solved that, too
[09:58] <BonBonTheJon> jpiccolo: if its a different partition it will be perfectly safe
[09:59] <chx> zorglu_: so when the next person comes , that's the answer
[09:59] <BonBonTheJon> jpiccolo: you might have some trouble with grub afterwards
[09:59] <cpk2> BonBonTheJon: but it might ruin his grub =\
[09:59] <zorglu_> chx: noted :)
[09:59] <chx> machine is snappy again
[09:59] <BonBonTheJon> jpiccolo: but you can fix it
[09:59] <chx> happy, happy, joy, joy :)
[09:59] <apokryphos> jpiccolo: it will mess with it, but if you follow the FAQ instructions you should be ok
[09:59] <hammer> apokryphos: so, it says that kubuntu-desktop is unavailable, but is mentioned in dependencies list of other packages
[10:00] <BonBonTheJon> apokryphos: what is the address of the FAQ
[10:00] <zorglu_> !mdr
[10:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mdr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:00] <zorglu_> !mbr
[10:00] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:00] <apokryphos> hammer: it's definitely a Kubuntu CD?
[10:00] <zorglu_> jpiccolo: the above link is for you
[10:00] <apokryphos> BonBonTheJon: in the topic
[10:00] <BonBonTheJon> there we go
[10:00] <hammer> apokryphos: well, it's blue, and it has a title KUBUNTU on it =)
[10:01] <jpiccolo> the partition that i am going to be installing on is a different hd than my hd with linux on it
[10:01] <BonBonTheJon> jpiccolo: thats fine
[10:01] <hammer> apokryphos: and i've installed everything from this cd
[10:01] <jpiccolo> but that hd is divided for file storage
[10:01] <apokryphos> hammer: what about sudo apt-get install amarok?
[10:01] <jpiccolo> i will still have to edit grub right?
[10:02] <BonBonTheJon> jpiccolo: follow the guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[10:02] <jpiccolo> got it, thanks
[10:02] <hammer> apokryphos: it says, i need kdelibs4c2a and this requires kdelibs-bin which cannot be installed =)
[10:03] <apokryphos> looks like you did more than just remove kdelibs
[10:03] <hammer> apokryphos: no, it wasn't me =)
[10:03] <apokryphos> hammer: either way
[10:04] <hammer> apokryphos: format c: | enter =)
[10:04] <apokryphos> hammer: it's going to be fixable but not really easy, if you just installed today I recommend reinstalling
[10:04] <apokryphos> fixable = presumably
[10:04] <hammer> apokryphos: windoze way =)
[10:05] <apokryphos> unfortunately, yes
[10:05] <yokobr> ksudo?
[10:05] <zorglu_> yokobr: kdesu
[10:05] <apokryphos> yokobr: kdesu, probably
[10:05] <yokobr> thanx
[10:05] <hammer> apokryphos: am i able to install packages regardless their deps?
[10:06] <apokryphos> sometimes, but it'll generally create a lot more problems than solutions for more than a few packages (as in your case)
[10:07] <cpk2> apokryphos: the thing is that kdelibs-bin isnt used anymore
[10:07] <apokryphos> cpk2: but why would that matter?
[10:07] <cpk2> apokryphos: he shouldnt even need  it
[10:07] <apokryphos> I presume he's got a dapper CD, anyhow -- hammer: right?
[10:07] <hammer> apokryphos: right!
[10:07] <apokryphos> Hallonen: do not do that
[10:08] <hammer> apokryphos: all su commands complain "Conversation with su failed."
[10:08] <cpk2> hammer: also you could try the russian channel so the directions might be more clear =)
[10:09] <apokryphos> hammer: you shouldn't be using su, only sudo
[10:09] <hammer> cpk2: i understand everything, the thing is do you understand me? =)
[10:09] <hammer> apokryphos: i mean, when i try to launch adept or something
[10:09] <apokryphos> hammer: that's because you don't have kdelibs/base then, for sure
[10:10] <apokryphos> you won't have kdesu if you don't have those
[10:10] <Ash-Fox> !broadcom
[10:10] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:11] <BonBonTheJon> !pastebin > bonbonthejon
[10:11] <cpk2> hammer: can you get kdelibs-data
[10:11] <jende> cpk2: howdy
[10:11] <cpk2> jende: afternoon =)
[10:12] <jende> cpk2: good evening, as it is a bit past 10pm here
[10:12] <hammer> cpk2: i have it installed
[10:12] <jende> cpk2: whats the prob with 'hammer'?
[10:13] <cpk2> jende: ah you are  2 hours ahead utc time?
[10:13] <jende> cpk2: yep
[10:13] <cpk2> jende: he removed kdelibs-bin which apparently broke kde
[10:13] <cpk2> even though kdelibs-bin isnt used anymore
[10:14] <jende> cpk2: true
[10:14] <hammer>  #ubuntu-ru is dead =)
[10:14] <cpk2> some channels need patience =P
[10:15] <jende> cpk2: as long as he is on universe multiverse it hasn't benn used, if he is just on the standard repos he might still nedd the kdelibs-bin, AFAIR!
[10:15] <cpk2> jende: that might be it
[10:15] <jende> hammer: can ypu pastebin your sources.list?
[10:15] <jende> !pastebin
[10:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:16] <cpk2> but kdelibs-bin doesnt seem to want to install for him =\
[10:16] <jende> cpk2: really?
[10:16] <hammer> jende: there's only one line
[10:16] <JosefK> time to give the RC a try, bbl ^^
[10:16] <jende> hammer: in where?in the sources.list?
[10:17] <hammer> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 6.06 _Dapper Drake_ - Release amd64 (20060531)] / dapper main restricted
[10:17] <jende> hammer: okay, are you with a LiveCD right now?
[10:17] <hammer> jende: you mean do i run livecd or do i have one?
[10:18] <jende> hammer: do you run
[10:18] <cpk2> hammer: did kde start without kdelibs-bin?
[10:18] <jende> cpk2: what if we sent hammer into a chroot?do you think he can manage that?
[10:19] <ashwin_> hey guys is there any way to look at the process is using network resources?????
[10:19] <cpk2> as long as nothing gets lost in translation =)
[10:19] <jende> ashwin_: sudo netstat
[10:19] <hammer> cpk2: i didn't reboot since i've removed pack
[10:19] <ashwin_> oh shit yeah...i forgot thanks hammer
[10:19] <cpk2> hammer: so kde is still running?
[10:20] <jende> hammer: do you know what a *chroot* is?
[10:20] <jende> ashwin_: I'm not hammer
[10:20] <hammer> cpk2: yep
[10:20] <hammer> jende: nope
[10:20] <joscha_> ashwin_: i don't understand your question but lsof could be your friend
[10:21] <cpk2> aha
[10:21] <cpk2> i think i found it
[10:21] <ashwin_> mmmmm never heard of it let me try that
[10:21] <cpk2> hammer: try to get kdebase-bin
[10:21] <hammer> cpk2: %)
[10:21] <cpk2> which seems to have replaced kdelibs-bin
[10:21] <freechelmi> Hi all : anyone knows about problem with knetworkmanager
[10:22] <freechelmi> with dapper ? it says it did not detect any interfaces weird ?
[10:22] <jende> hammer: open a console using the keys ALT+F2
[10:22] <hammer> jende: don't be so verbose =)
[10:22] <BonBonTheJon> freechelmi: i have that problem some times, give it a minute and it might recognize them
[10:22] <jende> hammer: and then type sudo apt-get install kdelibs-bin
[10:22] <gloria49> hola
[10:22] <jende> hammer: i'm not verbose
[10:22] <hammer> jende: it's already installed =)
[10:22] <cpk2> jende: dont worry he knows how to install apps =P
[10:23] <cpk2> hammer: kdebase-bin is installed?
[10:23] <gloria49> hola
[10:23] <jende> cpk2: okay
[10:23] <BonBonTheJon> !es
[10:23] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:23] <freechelmi> BonBonTheJon :thanks but it just stays like that
[10:23] <hammer> cpk2: yesssss
[10:24] <jende> hammer: is kdelibs-data installes as well?
[10:24] <jende> hammer: is kdelibs-data installed as well?
[10:24] <BonBonTheJon> freechelmi: what happens when you try the command 'ifconfig'
[10:24] <freechelmi> ifconfig is ok , I see my wireless and ethernet
[10:24] <freechelmi> when i launch knetwork manager with the console
[10:24] <freechelmi> it says the two Dbus commands are send
[10:24] <mikeeagles> Hey jende, you around?
[10:25] <jende> mikeeagles: yep
[10:25] <hammer> jende: yep
[10:25] <freechelmi> if there was  a dbus pb , it would tell
[10:25] <gloria49> hola
[10:25] <jende> cpk2: I think we should sent him into a chroot to get the system reconfigured
[10:25] <cpk2> jende: this is really odd =\
[10:25] <mikeeagles> My mp3's play now but I lost my internet connection altogether.
[10:25] <gloria49> soy nuevaa en linux
[10:25] <BonBonTheJon> !es > gloria49
[10:26] <cpk2> gloria49: este canal en ingles
[10:26] <gloria49> estoy experimentando
[10:26] <jende> !es
[10:26] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:26] <gloria49> asi veo
[10:26] <jende> !es
[10:26] <gloria49> ok gracias por laa informacion
[10:27] <mikeeagles> When I go the system - networking tool, the only connection device shown is the dialup modem.
[10:27] <mikeeagles> I don't have a dialup modem.
[10:27] <cpk2> i think my poor spanish shows that this is an english speaking channel too =P
[10:27] <jende> cpk2: lol
[10:28] <hammer> so guys, u wanna send me somewhere?
[10:28] <mikeeagles> It should show me either my isa network card or my wireless network card.
[10:28] <amido> sera
[10:28] <jende> cpk2: i think the best solution for 'hammer' would be to sent him ino chroot to get his system reconfigured
[10:28] <amido> qualche italiano?
[10:28] <cpk2> jende: sure
[10:28] <BonBonTheJon> !it > amido
[10:28] <jende> mikeeagles: open a console and tell us what sudo ifconfig tells you
[10:28] <amido> thanks
[10:29] <mikeeagles> Okay let me get that puter back up. Give me a few.
[10:29] <jende> hammer: reboot your system in recovery mode
[10:29] <BonBonTheJon> amido: if you have a question in english, we can help you
[10:29] <hammer> jende: oh man... )
[10:29] <silox> hey how do i Record VOIP (SIP) in Ubuntu Linux?
[10:30] <jende> hammer: then you might have to mount hda1 and then moount into chroot
[10:30] <hammer> and then?
[10:30] <amido> i have problems with libraries :(
[10:30] <jende> hammer: you know how to ount hda1?
[10:31] <jende> hammer: you know how to mount hda1?
[10:31] <hyper> anyone knows a site with router ram/flash specifics (for networked routers not wireless ones)
[10:31] <hammer> jende: yep
[10:32] <jende> hammer: cool, so to mount into chroot do this: mount /chroot /mnt
[10:32] <cpk2> jende: maybe tell him how to join irc from recovery mode =P
[10:32] <amido> i have this problem --> http://phpfi.com/165512
[10:32] <amido> can anyone help me?
[10:33] <jende> hammer: and then do a apt-get -f install
[10:33] <jende> hammer: after that a dpkg --configure -a
[10:33] <hyper> amido: run that:  apt-get -f install
[10:33] <amido> done but there's an other error
[10:34] <amido> this: http://phpfi.com/165513
[10:34] <jende> hammer: then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:34] <jende> hammer: I hope you'll write all the steps down on a bit of paper
[10:34] <mikeeagles> I get lo link encap:local loopback
[10:34] <cpk2> amido: apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:34] <jende> mikeeagles: I'll be with you in a minute
[10:34] <hammer> i should keep everything commented out in sources.list, exept cdrom?
[10:35] <jende> hammer
[10:35] <jende> hammer: nope
[10:35] <amido> same error
[10:35] <amido> with dist-upgrade
[10:35] <amido> this is my sources.list --> http://phpfi.com/165514
[10:36] <jende> hammer: after you have reinstalled kubuntu-desktop make a apt-get install kde
[10:37] <fdoving> amido: what's the error?
[10:37] <Ash-Fox> !aiglx
[10:37] <ubotu> AIGLX ('Accelerated Indirect GLX') is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol.
[10:38] <amido> http://phpfi.com/165515
[10:38] <amido> this one :(
[10:38] <jende> hammer: your sources.list should look like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27320/
[10:38] <cpk2> jende: its worth noting he is on dialup
[10:38] <jende> cpk2: hammer is on dialup
[10:39] <hammer> (
[10:39] <fdoving> amido: and what do you get if you try 'sudo apt-get -f install' ?
[10:40] <jende> hammer: so leave your sources with cdrom but proceed anyway the way I've told you
[10:40] <amido> http://phpfi.com/165516
[10:41] <hammer> ok guys! c u soon!
[10:41] <jende> hammer: I'll be here
[10:41] <jende> cpk2: so so I...
[10:42] <jende> mikeeagles: what tells you a lspci re your NIC?
[10:42] <willwork4foo> is it possible to install kubuntu from the internet? rather than downloading the installation CD - can I just download the netboot stuff, then install over FTP or something?
[10:42] <jende> willwork4foo: nope
[10:42] <willwork4foo> jende: bugger.
[10:43] <amido> fdoving no ideas?
[10:43] <jende> willwork4foo: you were looking to something similar to the Debian Etch Netinstall, weren't you
[10:43] <fdoving> amido: what happens if you try to run: 'sudo apt-get update' ?
[10:43] <willwork4foo> sort of
[10:43] <amido> it's all ok
[10:44] <amido> if i run apt-get update
[10:44] <Windwalker78> Hi. Can somebody tell me how to switch input languages with CTRL+SHIFT. Tried with xkb options the gui way, but did not work.
[10:44] <jende> willwork4foo: the CD isn't that big, so it should be okay to download
[10:44] <fdoving> amido: in sources.list i suggest removing everything above the line "## Add comments (##) in front of any line to remove it from being checked."
[10:44] <willwork4foo> but the DVD is - with all the extra software :)
[10:44] <jende> willwork4foo: most of the stuff will be downloaded then anyway
[10:44] <willwork4foo> can that all be installed over the web once I've got a working system then
[10:45] <jende> willwork4foo: sure
[10:45] <willwork4foo> thing is - I've got an IBM Thinkpad X20 with no floppy drive or CDROM
[10:45] <willwork4foo> so PXE installs are the only option
[10:45] <willwork4foo> and I want kubuntu on there
[10:45] <cpk2> willwork4foo: you can actually get the iso then take out packages you dont want then burn that iso
[10:46] <cpk2> willwork4foo: you can install from usb or do a netinstall through your network
[10:46] <willwork4foo> cpk2: I actually am trying to do the opposite - install absolutely everything :)
[10:46] <mikeeagles> Not sure what you mean.
[10:46] <willwork4foo> cpk2: a netinstall is a PXE install mate.
[10:46] <amido> fdoving but this way i'll not resolve my problem...
[10:46] <jende> mikeeagles: type in the console lspci
[10:47] <cpk2> well sometimes i read without typing =P
[10:47] <cpk2> type without reading too
[10:47] <cpk2> and type without thinking apparently
[10:47] <jende> mikeeagles: will be back in a few mins...
[10:47] <mikeeagles> OKay.
[10:48] <Windwalker78> Does anybody know how to switch languages with CTRL+SHIFT?
[10:49] <Blacken> Hm, is there a way to run MSI files under WINE?
[10:50] <fdoving> amido: i think it can help.
[10:50] <fdoving> amido: if you do that, and then run 'sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get -f install;sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade' i think you'll get somewhere.
[10:51] <Windwalker78> Blacken: msiexec was the command i think
[10:51] <Blacken> Windwalker78: Yeah, I had an attack of good sense and went and asked on #winehq. Thanks though. =)
[10:52] <Windwalker78>  Does anybody know how to switch languages with CTRL+SHIFT?
[10:52] <Electrolyte> I don't get it. i686 and k7 kernels make UT2004 run slower.
[10:53] <Electrolyte> i386 kernel is the fastest out of them :/
[10:54] <excitatory> Electrolyte: when you install 686 kernels, are you installing the linux-restricted-modules-686 package as well?
[10:54] <Electrolyte> Yup.
[10:55] <excitatory> is it just ut, or other applications
[10:55] <Electrolyte> Only UT2004.
[10:55] <Electrolyte> The frame rate drops quite dramatically on i686 and k7 compared to i386.
[10:57] <jende> mikeeagles: are you around?
[10:57] <mikeeagles> Yea
[10:58] <jende> mikeeagles: okay, is there a network device listen in 'lspci'?
[10:58] <jende> mikeeagles: okay, is there a network device listed in 'lspci'?
[10:59] <Electrolyte> excitatory: I would have though either i686 or k7 would be faster for my CPU.
[10:59] <mikeeagles> it shows bnetwork controller texas instruments acx 100 22mbps wireless interface as one of the devices.
[10:59] <excitatory> Electrolyte: what is your cpu?
[11:00] <Electrolyte> excitatory: AMD FX-55 ClawHammer @ 2.6GHZ
[11:00] <mikeeagles> I set this up once before and it showed these devices in network settings.
[11:01] <parsek> How can I add a hard disk to kubuntu (Its formatted NTFS)? There is some stuff I need so i dont want to format it again
[11:01] <jende> parsek:
[11:01] <jende> !ntfs
[11:01] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[11:01] <mikeeagles> ethos1
[11:01] <jarn> How do I change the group a file is owned by?
[11:01] <mikeeagles> sorry
[11:01] <jende> mikeeagles: what you gave me before was the output of ifconfig
[11:02] <fdoving> jarn: chgrp or konqueror -> properties.
[11:02] <mikeeagles> You said wait. There about 8 lines
[11:02] <jarn> fdoving: Thanks.
[11:02] <fdoving> jarn: you can also use 'chown user.group file'
[11:03] <mikeeagles> lo link encap:local Loopback
[11:03] <wimpies> I want to use bash instead of dash as shell. what is the correct (cleanest) way to do this ?
[11:03] <mikeeagles> inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask 255.0.0.0
[11:03] <jende> mikeeagles: that is the output of 'ifcinfig'; I need the ouutput of 'lspci'
[11:04] <jarn> fdoving: Ah, thanks. I like that last one a lot more. ;)
[11:04] <mikeeagles> You want me to type it all here?
[11:04] <excitatory> Electrolyte: i wonder if you would have better luck with the linux-k7-smp, or linux-686-smp packages
[11:04] <excitatory> Electrolyte: but don't purge your working kernel right away, just in case it doesn't boot.
[11:04] <Electrolyte> They don't seem to appear in apt :(
[11:05] <Electrolyte> I have 3 kernels that work.
[11:05] <jende> mikeeagles: no, I want you to tell me, if you can, what network Interface got recognized by lspci
[11:05] <excitatory> Electrolyte: they exist.. how do you think i found them.
[11:05] <Splittor> i have a question.  All of a sudden it seems my color-coding in Konsole has disappeared, is there something I need to reset?
[11:05] <jende> mikeeagles: if you can't just pastebin the lot
[11:05] <jende> !pastebin
[11:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:05] <Electrolyte> excitatory: Ah, never mind - was searching wrong.
[11:06] <Electrolyte> Will try SMP - although it installs the same thing I already installed.
[11:06] <jende> fdoving: Howdy...!
[11:06] <fdoving> hi jende.
[11:06] <jende> fdoving: how are you?
[11:07] <excitatory> Electrolyte: otherwise, just go with 386.. 686 isn't even necessarily faster.  in fact, it's basically on par with 386 for most purposes.
[11:07] <Electrolyte> Ok, will be right back to try out k7.
[11:07] <volosolo> test
[11:07] <jende> mikeeagles: it should say something like Ethernet controller...bla...bla
[11:08] <fdoving> jende: fine, doing a test install of edgy rc. thanks, and what about you?
[11:08] <boguh> why dont i have the libxine-extracodecs package?
[11:08] <Windwalker78> Can somebody tell me how to switch languages with CTRL+SHIFT?
[11:08] <mikeeagles> 0000:00:0a.0 network controller texas instruments acx 100 22mbps wireless interface
[11:08] <cpk2> boguh: because you need to install it?
[11:08] <jende> mikeeagles: so there is no ethernet at all?
[11:09] <parsek> !ntfs??
[11:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs?? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:09] <jende> fdoving: busy again, I guesss
[11:09] <jende> parsek:
[11:09] <boguh> cpk2 aptitude search libxine-extracodecs, nothing
[11:09] <jende> !ntfs
[11:09] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[11:09] <BluesKaj> !NTFS
[11:09] <mikeeagles> It's actually None shown
[11:09] <nulix> hello ; I cannot get rid of a package declared as incoherent ; what can I do to clean this mess ? ; thanks
[11:09] <cpk2> !info libxine-extracodecs
[11:09] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[11:09] <cpk2> boguh: you need the multiverse repo enabled
[11:09] <parsek> !fuse
[11:09] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[11:09] <boguh> cpk2 think i do
[11:10] <cpk2> boguh: then try apt-get update first
[11:10] <jende> mikeeagles: it seems to be that your Network Interface dies
[11:10] <jende> mikeeagles: it seems to be that your Network Interface died
[11:10] <mikeeagles> How's that?
[11:11] <mikeeagles> I'm on this laptop on the same wireless network.
[11:11] <jende> mikeeagles: happens quite often as it is a massproduction low-budget kind of thing
[11:11] <mikeeagles> How do you get it back on?
[11:12] <osh_> Is there some applet or similar that shows the wireless signal strength? Something to have with the other small icons in the corner of the "kicker".
[11:12] <jende> mikeeagles: okay, to make sure whether it died or not, pastebin the output of lspci
[11:12] <jende> !pastebin
[11:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:13] <mikeeagles> What's that? It's not on this puter. How do I paste it here?
[11:14] <jende> mikeeagles: thats bit of prob then
[11:14] <larson999> lol@ the ntfs debate.  people scream on both sides.  it's safe! no it's not! yes it is!
[11:14] <volosolo> ci provo
[11:15] <BluesKaj> mikeeagles:  it's a website where you can copy text to and paste it there so that others can see it , without flooding this chat
[11:15] <jende> mikeeagles: lspci doesn't show anything like that: 00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet (rev 91)
[11:16] <jende> BluesKaj: Good evening buddy
[11:16] <BluesKaj> hiya jende ...how goes it / :)
[11:17] <jende> BluesKaj: not tooooooooo bad, though, yourself?
[11:17] <fdoving> mikeeagles: is it the wireless network that's not working?
[11:17] <BluesKaj> quite good thx , jende
[11:17] <mikeeagles> No, if it was that I wouldn't be here now.
[11:18] <grout_work> i have a php file i made just a simple hello world php app, i put it up on my lamp web server and it shows all the code.
[11:18] <jende> BluesKaj: thats good
[11:18] <Electrolyte> excitatory: k7-smp was slower again.
[11:18] <Electrolyte> excitatory: It seems i386 is the best one to use.
[11:18] <grout_work> http://grout.ws:85/downloads/Hello_world.php
[11:18] <Acidic32> grout_work u installed mod_php ?
[11:18] <mikeeagles> I'll do that paste thing but I'm a slow typer so give me a while to put it all in.
[11:18] <cpk2> 0000:00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet (rev 91) is what I have
[11:18] <cpk2> and it works just fine =P
[11:18] <grout_work> how can i tell if its installed?
[11:18] <BluesKaj> can't you copy and paste . mikeeagles ?
[11:18] <jende> cpk2: so does mine...hehe
[11:19] <jende> BluesKaj: nope, he is on a different box
[11:19] <BluesKaj> ok
[11:19] <BluesKaj> gotcha
[11:19] <excitatory> Electrolyte: yes, i suppose it is.
[11:19] <jende> BluesKaj: got to go for a sec...grab a new mug of coffeeeee
[11:20] <grout_work> i have ubuntu center and phpmuadmin and it all works fine
[11:24] <lele_> sera
[11:24] <jende> grout_work: you will need to get your "Hello world!" the mod_php libs as well
[11:24] <jende> mikeeagles: I'm back
[11:24] <jende> BluesKaj: strong and black...yummie
[11:26] <BluesKaj> jende , are you in  Germany  ?...I'm in Canada, 300km North of Toronto
[11:26] <jende> BluesKaj: yep, unforzunately I'm grounded in germany
[11:26] <jende> BluesKaj: yep, unfortunately I'm grounded in germany
[11:27] <BluesKaj> what's unfortunate , good ppl , good food , good roads , and best of all GOOD BEER! :)
[11:27] <jende> BluesKaj: you don't have a job vacant for linuxer in CDN?
[11:28] <BluesKaj> and of course good women !
[11:28] <fdoving> !offtopic
[11:28] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:28] <fdoving> :)
[11:28] <wimpies> does dash support arrays ? I get a syntax error when doing x=( `ls` )
[11:28] <BluesKaj> oh, there prolly is vacancies yes
[11:28] <jende> BluesKaj: ppl were good, yrs ago, good food...you must be joking...and yep the beer is still lovely
[11:29] <BluesKaj> fdoving:  don't be such a such a putz!
[11:29] <norman> is there a kubuntu version for limewire
[11:30] <fdoving> !frostwire > norman
[11:30] <BluesKaj> well, beer is important for linux lovers :)
[11:30] <BluesKaj> !beer
[11:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:30] <jende> fdoving: I think that we / I do have the right to talk about not related (K)ubuntu stuff after giving support for 10-12hours
[11:31] <fdoving> jende: sure, in #kubuntu-offtopic
[11:31] <BluesKaj> it's good know ppl who are helping you ...makes for better understandings
[11:31] <jende> fdoving: come on, we help in here with getting canon printer drivers installed, so we will not mess the channel up anyway, okay
[11:32] <mikeeagles> Okay, I pasted that info as you requested.
[11:33] <fdoving> jende: i know you help in here, but that doesn't make you immune to the rules.
[11:33] <jende> fdoving: I haven't said beig immune
[11:33] <jende> fdoving: I haven't said being immune
[11:34] <jende> fdoving: I just said 2-3 words or sentencese in offtopic shouldn't bother anyone
[11:34] <fdoving> jende: others will ask why you can talk about non-support issues, and they can't. so #kubuntu-offtopic for non-support stuff. thanks for understanding. :)
[11:34] <cpk2> apparently jende's computer isnt immune to up-arrow enter either =P
[11:35] <mikeeagles> Hey jende, I was just trying this out on a small hard drive which is running out of space. I have a new drive. Should I just reinstall on that?
[11:35] <grout> how can i tell if php_mod is installed?
[11:35] <jende> mikeeagles: yep
[11:35] <cpk2> grout: apt-cache policy php_mod
[11:35] <mikeeagles> And can I put both this and windows on the same drive, different partitions? If so, which should I install first.
[11:36] <cpk2> mikeeagles: you could just move /home to the new drive probably
[11:36] <cpk2> mikeeagles: windows first for less headaches
[11:36] <grout> says unable to locate php_mod
[11:36] <jende> @ I'm sorry that I might have not respectes the rules ant talked to Blueskaj privately!Won't happen again!
[11:36] <grout> so how do i install php_mod?
[11:36] <mikeeagles> But that won't correct my network problem cpk2.
[11:37] <mikeeagles> Aw, what's wrong with talking privately?
[11:37] <bLaZeD> how do i change the default boot level so it doesnt boot to gui(i think gui is runlevel 5 (init 5) )?
[11:37] <jende> mikeeagles: it's offtopuc, so it Shouldn't be made in here
[11:37] <cpk2> grout: php_mod doesnt exist =P
[11:37] <jende> mikeeagles: it's offtopic, so it Shouldn't be made in here
[11:38] <grout> cpk2: what do u mean
[11:38] <mikeeagles> But it's okay if it's on topic?
[11:38] <fdoving> bLaZeD: you don't want to change the runlevel, you want to disable kdm at startup. from konsole run 'sudo update-rc.d -f kdm remove' to disable. to re-enable run 'sudo update-rc.d kdm defaults'
[11:38] <jende> mikeeagles: sure is
[11:38] <Wikipedia-Gast83> I have a question
[11:38] <bLaZeD> fdoving, and that wont start any gui at boot?
[11:38] <cpk2> grout: what are you looking for?
[11:38] <fdoving> bLaZeD: correct.
[11:38] <jende> Wikipedia-Gast83: tell us your question
[11:38] <bLaZeD> fdoving, awsome man thanks =)
[11:39] <cpk2> explain it in different words besides php_mod
[11:39] <Wikipedia-Gast83> what should I ask?
[11:39] <fdoving> bLaZeD: save the re-enable command in a text-file for later use :)
[11:39] <jende> Wikipedia-Gast83: you came along asking to ask question, so...just ask!
[11:40] <Wikipedia-Gast83> ask what, jende?
[11:40] <bLaZeD> fdoving, lol....as i paste it into my kubunu.txt file(that has all kubuntu releated stuff in it)
[11:40] <mikeeagles> Did you get the lspci info I posted?
[11:40] <bLaZeD> ;)
[11:40] <edrex> google comes up with nothing helpful for a problem I'm having with mediamanager/hal
[11:40] <jende> mikeeagles: nope, cause you haven't gave me the URL, my friend
[11:40] <fdoving> bLaZeD: good :)
[11:41] <jende> fdoving: accepted my excuse?
[11:41] <Wikipedia-Gast83> I want to ask a question
[11:41] <mikeeagles> 27382
[11:41] <jende> !ask
[11:41] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:41] <edrex> I have a USB IDE enclosure with drive. hal detects it and pmount will mount the several partitions, but they don't show up in media:/ (KDE)
[11:41] <Wikipedia-Gast83> what question, ubotu?
[11:41] <fdoving> jende: of course :)
[11:42] <cpk2> Wikipedia-Gast83: unfortunately we arent mind readers so you actually need to tell us what you want =P
[11:42] <edrex> what dictates which devices/partitions show up in media:/ ?
[11:42] <steveire> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=278632&page=2 <<< Anyone have an idea how to access proxy configuration from the cli?
[11:42] <apokryphos> edrex: a combination of DBUS and HAL
[11:43] <Wikipedia-Gast83> what shall I tell you? I just want to ask a question
[11:43] <edrex> can I modify the behavior somewhere?
[11:43] <Kyral> Oh god this guy is here too?
[11:43] <cpk2> Wikipedia-Gast83: so ask it!!
[11:43] <mikeeagles> Sorry, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27382/
[11:43] <Wikipedia-Gast83> sk what, cpk2?
[11:43] <apokryphos> Wikipedia-Gast83: please don't be annoying :)
[11:44] <TheGateKeeper> cpk2: I think he is just attention seeking
[11:44] <cpk2> I have a feeling we have been trolled
[11:44] <jende> mikeeagles: if you had a PCI Ethernetcontroller...well, then its screwed
[11:44] <Kyral> He is
[11:44] <Kyral> He's trolling in the Ruby channel too
[11:44] <edrex> i'm basically looking for a pointer to documentation for how media:/ decides which devices to show
[11:44] <Wikipedia-Gast83> apokryphos: I just wanted to ask a question
[11:44] <apokryphos> edrex: google for media kde protocol
[11:44] <apokryphos> !helpme
[11:44] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:44] <apokryphos> Wikipedia-Gast83: :)
[11:44] <Wikipedia-Gast83> what question?
[11:44] <jende> cpk2: I guess wiki is just to .... to ask
[11:44] <TheGateKeeper> fdoving: time to deal with the troll
[11:44] <edrex> i've been doing alot of googling, all I get is noise
[11:45] <edrex> that's why I'm here
[11:45] <fdoving> TheGateKeeper: who?
[11:45] <Wikipedia-Gast83> what should I ask?
[11:45] <cpk2> jende: I'm disappointed in myself for getting trolled =\
[11:45] <TheGateKeeper> ^^^^^
[11:45] <jende> cpk2: so was I
[11:45] <jende> apokryphos: thaks, mate
[11:45] <cpk2> hehe bad idea to troll an op
[11:45] <fdoving> TheGateKeeper: sorry, i'm slow :)
[11:45] <jende> apokryphos: thanks, mate
[11:46] <edrex> apokryphos: just try that search yourself
[11:46] <edrex> apokryphos: noise
[11:46] <apokryphos> edrex: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=DBUS
[11:46] <TheGateKeeper> fdoving: :-)
[11:47] <jende> cpk2: wanna have agerman bee*
[11:47] <fdoving> TheGateKeeper: thanks for the notice anyway :)
[11:47] <jende> mikeeagles: did you have a normal PCI Network Interface or not?
[11:48] <TheGateKeeper> fdoving: np :-)
[11:49] <mikeeagles> I have a PCI wireless and an ISA network card. I only had the wireless connected when I was using it with you earlier.
[11:50] <edrex> apokryphos: well hal sees my device...
[11:50] <jende> mikeeagles: now you'd like to have the ISA connected?
[11:50] <edrex> apokryphos: lshal gives "storage.removable = false  (bool)"
[11:51] <edrex> perhaps that's the problem?
[11:51] <apokryphos> I really don't know, I'm afraid
[11:51] <Elwyn> Hey, Im running Kubuntu off a live CD, and I only have one optical drive- is there a way to burn a cd at all from within kubuntu? (eg take the liveCD out)
[11:51] <jende> edrex: I havent followed uo your prob, but what is ist
[11:52] <mikeeagles> It wouldn't matter. Just wanted a working internet connection like it was before I did those updates.
[11:52] <edrex> jende: i have a USB IDE enclosure with a drive in it
[11:52] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: you using windows?
[11:52] <edrex> jende: hal detects, pmount mounts, but it doesn't show in media:/
[11:52] <Elwyn> yes,  its corrupted though, so im wanting to back up a couple of files before I format
[11:53] <edrex> maybe it thinks it's not removable?
[11:53] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: does it have usable burning software installed?
[11:53] <jende> edrex: if i gets mounted...is it removeable?
[11:54] <Elwyn> Kubuntu?? I have no idea, its a standard LiveCD, let me check..
[11:54] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: no windows
[11:54] <Splittor> you can't remove the kubuntu cd while running it i don't think
[11:54] <Elwyn> Oh. Yes, it has Nero
[11:54] <jende> mikeeagles: tell me if you do have the right moduke for your wireless card in /etc/modules
[11:54] <jende> mikeeagles: tell me if you do have the right module for your wireless card in /etc/modules
[11:55] <edrex> jende: lshal gives storage.hotpluggable = true  (bool) ...  storage.removable = false  (bool) for the drive
[11:55] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: use that then to make a copy of the disc if that's what you want to do
[11:56] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: I am a little unsure of exactly what the proble, is?
[11:56] <TheGateKeeper> problem*
[11:56] <batousaix19> hello
[11:56] <Elwyn> No, I dont think you get me :p Windows is screwed, wont boot, I havnt been able to fix it. So I am using a linux LiveCD, and am wanting to back up a few files, (from within linux) before I reformat and reinstall windows.
[11:56] <batousaix19> where can the RC be found?
[11:56] <mikeeagles> I disconnected that drive. I've loaded my windows drive back on that puter and am going to try to run the live cd and then install it on one of the partitions.
[11:57] <Elwyn> But I only have one optical drive, so I dont know how to burn the cd if my drive is being used by the Kubuntu LiveCD
[11:57] <batousaix19> the Edgy RC
[11:57] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: hmmm
[11:57] <jende> mikeeagles: don't give up that quick
[11:57] <apokryphos> batousaix19: kubuntu.org
[11:58] <batousaix19> well u need the cd, unless kubuntu can be lloaded to ram with the toram boot option
[11:58] <Elwyn> ohk
[11:58] <Elwyn> if it a whole load of trouble, then nvm, I can do without the stuff lol
[11:58] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: just had an idea, hang on...
[11:58] <Elwyn> ohk.
[11:58] <batousaix19> dont have an extra drive to connect just so u can use your burner to burn?
[11:59] <fdoving> gnite
[11:59] <Elwyn> nah, I only have one IDE slot on my mobo, and thats just enough for my HDD and my DVD-RW
[11:59] <morphish> now how can one get another fs than ext3 out of qtparted/the installer?
[12:00] <anjulog> holnafor
[12:00] <anjulog> fu0erer
[12:00] <apokryphos> anjulog: what are you doing?
[12:00] <jende_> mikeeagles: still there?
[12:01] <batousaix19> how much ram do u have elwyn?
[12:01] <Elwyn> 1.5GB
[12:02] <Elwyn> (and I have a spair 512mb if needed)
[12:02] <mikeeagles> Yea.
[12:03] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: was to burn stuff from the command line, don't know if the livecd will let you take it out and do this but you could give it a try ---> http://penguinslair.org/wiki/index.php/Command_line_Burning
[12:03] <Elwyn> ok, thanks a lot, Il have a look.
[12:04] <jende_> mikeeagles: whta tells us a 'uname -r'
[12:04] <jende_> mikeeagles: what tells us a 'uname -r'
[12:04] <batousaix19> if not, elwyn, use puppy linux
[12:04] <ZeroCool> the best mp3 player, GUI and Command Line...
[12:04] <batousaix19> it loads right into ram, and it has a burning application
[12:04] <Elwyn> Puppy linux??
[12:04] <Elwyn> oohk
[12:05] <batousaix19> i do all my windows recovery stuff with that distro anyway
[12:05] <Elwyn> sounds good to. Thanks for all your help :)
[12:05] <batousaix19> yup, its only like 70 MB
[12:05] <batousaix19> thats the best thing i can think of right now, unless a toram boot option is dooable with kubuntu live-cd
[12:06] <batousaix19> but puppy would be your best bet for that task(Y), if that 1 dont work, slax it:D, lol
[12:06] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page <-- another one for you
[12:06] <batousaix19> slax at least used kde
[12:06] <Elwyn> ohk. Iv had another idea, donno why I didnt think of this first- il network with my mums laptop... jeesh, why didnt I do that first??
[12:07] <jende_> mikeeagles: ???
[12:07] <batousaix19> that would do it if u can write to it
[12:07] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: better late than never :-)
[12:08] <mikeeagles> I'll be back in a few
[12:08] <Elwyn> lol, yea. First time networking with linux, and its working perfectly ^_^
[12:08] <jende_> mikeeagles: hurry...it#s already bedtime here
[12:08] <OOD> Elwyn: are you elwyn from jcxp?
[12:09] <Elwyn> Yea lol
[12:09] <Elwyn> Hi
[12:09] <steveire> Elwyn: You home networking?
[12:09] <Elwyn> yea
[12:09] <steveire> Did you have to get some apps to do it or is it out-of-box ready?
[12:09] <Elwyn> Ohhh, OuchOfDeath, hey
[12:10] <Elwyn> steveire: I didnt need any extra apps
[12:10] <mikeeagles> I'll revisit this tomorrow then. Thanks for all your help. I'm going to try to install it again on another drive.
[12:10] <OOD> elwyn: how you liking kubuntu so far?