[05:02] <tonyyarusso> Is there a template page on the wiki for feature specification outlines?
[05:03] <jjesse> tonyyarusso: not that i know of
[05:03] <tonyyarusso> Hrm
[05:04] <Madpilot> I thought there was?
[05:04] <tonyyarusso> Wait, there is a god!  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecTemplate
[05:04] <tonyyarusso> :)
[05:06] <tonyyarusso> Now, oh wiki editing experts, how do I copy a template page and start a new one?  (Or should I just Ctrl-C it - I'm thinking there must be a more intelligent way)
[05:07] <Burgwork> tonyyarusso: delete the page, and then when you recreate it use the template
[05:07] <tonyyarusso> Burgwork: Page doesn't exist yet.  I need to make one from scratch, but using a template.  Wondering if there's a "start page like this" functionality from the template or something.
[05:07] <Burgwork> go to the page
[05:08] <Burgwork> in the middle, there is a box
[05:08] <Burgwork> the box has two setions
[05:08] <Burgwork> in the left section, choose spectempalte
[05:09] <tonyyarusso> Burgwork: Aaah.  I was just approaching from the wrong direction.
[05:39] <tonyyarusso> What's BoF agenda mean?
[05:40] <Burgwork> what is going to be talked about
[05:40] <Madpilot> Bag of Freaks - slang for a group of hackers
[05:40] <Madpilot> ;)
[05:41] <tonyyarusso> So if I have no idea what to put, leave it blank and wait for a "Freak" to fill it in?
[05:42] <Madpilot> hey! OK, it's actually Birds Of a Feather, which is nearly as strange as Bag o' Freaks 
[05:42] <Burgwork> tonyyarusso: leave it blank
[05:42] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[05:58] <nixternal> birds of a feather, flock together, hack together, sle......
[05:58] <nixternal> i will stop there
[06:08] <tonyyarusso> Anyone want to proofread my spec writeup and give feedback?
[06:09] <tonyyarusso> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GaimCalendarAutoAways
[06:10] <tonyyarusso> (And is this ready to propose for UDS-mtv in launchpad now, or does that sort of thing come later?)
[06:19] <tonyyarusso> (I'm also not sure whether I should be set as the drafter or not, but that's probably moving into -devel territory, if I'm not already long there)
[06:23] <tonyyarusso> I'm guessing the silence is a hint I'm in the wrong spot at this point, /me takes deep breath and steps into -devel for first time...!
[06:27] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, sounds like something the Telepathy project is doing
[06:28] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Really?  Have a link to more info on that so I can follow up?
[06:29] <Madpilot> not offhand - it's a gnome project, I think. Burgwork knows more about it.
[06:38] <Burgwork> tonyyarusso: gaim is likely going away for fiesty
[06:40] <tonyyarusso> Burgwork: Never heard of it...
[06:41] <Burgwork> tonyyarusso: telepathy is to communication like gstreamer is to media
[06:42] <Madpilot> Burgwork, I won't especially miss gaim, but what's the replacement going to be?
[06:42] <Burgwork> Madpilot: likely gossip
[06:43] <Madpilot> is gossip multi-protocol like gaim, or just jabber?
[06:43] <Burgwork> that is what telepathy does
[06:44] <Burgwork> it solves teh multiprotocol stuff
[06:44] <Burgwork> if you listened to my analogoy
[06:44] <Madpilot> ah, OK. cool
[06:55] <tonyyarusso> Burgwork: Should I mention my writeup to the telepathy/gossip people?
[07:00] <Burgwork> tonyyarusso: that is part of telepathy is trying to do
[07:00] <Burgwork> tonyyarusso: so remove the gaim and tbird stuff
[07:00] <Burgwork> tonyyarusso: add evo and telepathy
[07:01] <tonyyarusso> Burgwork: Just under dependencies you mean/
[07:01] <tonyyarusso> ?
[07:01] <Burgwork> yep
[07:01] <tonyyarusso> Okay.
[07:02] <Burgwork> specs shoudl reallly only care about packages we install by default
[07:02] <Burgwork> everything else is fluffy
[07:03] <tonyyarusso> True enough.
[07:03] <tonyyarusso> Is there a way to link to packages in launchpad, or just on the wiki?
[01:26] <carlos> hi
[01:27] <carlos> is there any ubuntu-doc maintainer around?
[01:29] <tonyyarusso> I'm mostly an observer of this group so far, and the ones I know that are active it's 04:30 for.  Maybe some Europeans are around though....
[01:39] <pepsiman> carlos: what's the problem with ubuntu-doc this time?
[01:40] <carlos> pepsiman: it's not a problem
[01:40] <carlos> we got a bunch of .pot files to import 
[01:40] <carlos> https://launchpad.net/rosetta/imports/+index?target=distros&status=NEEDS_REVIEW&type=pot
[01:40] <carlos> and I need to know whether we should import all them or not
[01:41] <pepsiman> I think one string was changed, and there's no point importing
[01:41] <pepsiman> doc translation freeze was last week anyway
[02:03] <carlos> pepsiman: well, but we got those templates, should I ignore them?
[02:03] <carlos> it's new documentation...
[02:30] <pepsiman> carlos: this is all I know: http://rafb.net/paste/results/jmLsH385.html
[02:32] <carlos> pepsiman: ok, thanks
[05:26] <mdz> greetings
[05:27] <mdz> I mailed -doc yesterday regarding the release notes; I know it's late (and we've made arrangements to do better next time) but we could use a hand in preparing them
[09:03] <mdke_> nixternal: I take it Riddell did the upload yesterday
[09:04] <nixternal> i don't know if he did or not
[09:05] <mdke_> looks like Rosetta got some new translation templates
[09:05] <nixternal> i didn't see it in the commit list
[09:05] <nixternal> ahhh
[09:05] <nixternal> let me find out
[09:05] <mdke_> maybe was from something else
[09:05] <mdke_> might have been a previous upload
[09:05] <nixternal> i seen that email as well
[09:06] <nixternal> i just asked Riddell if he committed it
[09:06] <nixternal> i have been up to my neck in school work today
[09:08] <mdke_> no worries
[09:14] <pepsiman> mdke_: the new templates are at "needs review" https://launchpad.net/rosetta/imports/+index?target=distros&status=NEEDS_REVIEW&type=pot  carlos was in here wondering if you wanted them to be imported
[09:14] <mdke_> pepsiman: I saw the scrollback yeah. I'll need to catch him and talk about that. I've pinged jordi
[09:26] <nixternal> 14:16:44]  <Riddell> nixternal: no, I don't think it's allowed
[09:26] <nixternal> mdke_: ^^
[09:26] <mdke_> ah.
[11:10] <jenda> mdke_: what's wrong with doc.ubuntu.com?
[11:13] <mdke_> jenda: dunno, what's wrong with it?
[11:13] <mdke_> oh, haha
[11:13] <jenda> hehe...
[11:13] <jenda> I get the italian forum there...
[11:13] <mdke_> that cheeky webmaster