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LaserJockawww shucks, looks like I don't get AIGLX12:19
LaserJockand I was sooo looking forward to the cube :-)12:19
imbrandonLaserJock, you can do aiglx with the freedrivers iirc, you just need to enable composite in xorg.conf ( thats all i did for compiz/beryl to work )12:20
ajmitchLaserJock: why not?12:20
LaserJockyeah, but I can't use the free drivers12:20
ajmitchdon't you want ultra-shiny bling to rot your eyes?12:20
LaserJockheh12:21
LaserJockimbrandon: I might be able to use XGL, but I might as well commit software suicide ;-)12:23
imbrandonnot xgl , aiglx built into 7.112:23
ajmitchLaserJock: what drivers do you use?12:23
gnomefreakbut you need the beta drivers12:23
LaserJockI use the ATI binary driver12:24
LaserJockbecuase that's the only one that supports my card12:25
ajmitchah, sucks to be you then12:25
LaserJockyes, that's what I'm saying :-)12:25
gnomefreakare we still playing with the idea of grumpy groundhog or was that stopped?12:25
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ajmitchit'll probably still happen one day12:26
LaserJockI'll just have to go stare at the Sun for a while12:26
ajmitchbut it's *not* a distro for people to run12:26
joejaxxLaserJock: how big is main + universe?12:26
joejaxx20gb?12:26
ajmitchit will be a repository of really bleeding-edge packages12:26
imbrandonhaha like 110gb12:26
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imbrandonbleeding-edgy == broken 98% of the time12:27
ajmitchmore like 99.9%12:27
LaserJockyou think?12:28
ajmitchwe're talking automated compilation from upstream CVS/SVN, etc12:28
LaserJockI wouldn't think it would be too bad12:28
LaserJockdepends on the core I suppose12:28
ajmitchcan you imagine running a system built on bleeding-edge gcc & glibc?12:28
ajmitchI know there are some people that do it..12:29
imbrandonLaserJock, heh well the core would always be changing too thats the thing12:29
imbrandonhum is TheMuso awake yet ?12:30
imbrandonscratch that12:30
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TheMusoimbrandon: Yes I am here.12:37
ajmitchmorning TheMuso12:37
TheMusoBut only for another 40 mins or so.12:37
TheMusoMorning ajmitch.12:37
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imbrandonmoins TheMuso12:38
imbrandonnevermind i dident have time to finish it up, i was going point you to the farm spec12:38
TheMusoHey imbrandon.12:39
imbrandonbut i still have a bit more to do12:39
TheMusoOh ok.12:39
imbrandon( and its dinner time )12:39
TheMusoWhat do you mean didn't have time to finish it?12:39
imbrandonmakin a proper spec12:39
imbrandonof it12:39
TheMusoWell just ping me when you finish it, and I will keep my eye out for it.12:39
FunnyLookinHatgnomesword bug12:53
FunnyLookinHatUbugtu, gnomesword12:53
LaserJockbug #6545112:58
UbugtuMalone bug 65451 in gnomesword "[UNMETDEPS]  gnomesword has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6545112:58
FunnyLookinHatheh yea I found it after a quick search01:01
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whiprushajmitch: awake?01:19
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LaserJockimbrandon: what keyboard layout do you use on a mac?01:24
imbrandonpc105 iirc01:24
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imbrandonwhat ever it defaults to01:25
minghuapc104, more likely01:28
LaserJockok01:30
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LaserJockI'm just not sure about some of the buttons01:32
imbrandonwell it should have loaded powerbuttonsd01:35
imbrandonfor those01:35
imbrandone.g. the fn+ keys01:36
LaserJockimbrandon: this isn't on a laptop, just a regular mac keyboard01:39
LaserJockimbrandon: but I don't have a numlock or insert key, etc.01:39
minghuathey are just different names01:42
minghuahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_keyboard says you use "Help" as insert, and "clear" as numlock01:42
imbrandonLaserJock, yea but iirc powerbutonsd makes mac keyboards act "right"01:46
LaserJockoh, now I'm not sure what "right" means :-)01:47
imbrandonwell act like you would expect them to in macosx01:47
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imbrandonajmitch, whoop here comes hobbsee everyone hide03:25
imbrandonheh03:25
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TheMusohahaha03:26
TheMusoHey Hobbsee.03:26
imbrandonhehe03:26
imbrandonheya Hobbsee03:26
imbrandon[20:25]  <imbrandon> ajmitch, whoop here comes hobbsee everyone hide03:26
imbrandon[20:25]  <imbrandon> heh03:26
imbrandon[20:25]  --> Hobbsee has joined this channel (n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee).03:26
zulaieee03:27
Hobbseehey TheMuso, imbrandon03:27
Hobbsee:P03:27
TheMusoimbrandon: What you got going there? ESP?03:27
imbrandonman ;)03:28
imbrandonmsn*03:28
TheMusoOh ok.03:29
TheMusoWhy bother when she is going to be on IRC at the same time?03:29
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imbrandonhehe03:29
imbrandonTheMuso, sometimes i use IM's when i'm not on irc03:29
TheMusoRight.03:30
zulimbrandon: traitor...using msn03:30
imbrandonor if i'm not on my normal computer03:30
imbrandonzul, hahah Hobbsee is my onlyu msn contact03:30
imbrandonall the rest are jabber ;)03:30
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zulimbrandon: still....we are going to have to have a little talk though03:30
HobbseeTheMuso: i'm not all the time...03:30
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ajmitchhelp!03:30
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TheMusoI use MSN for my friends who don't know any better, but I also have a Jabber account.03:31
imbrandonRUN !!03:31
imbrandonTheMuso, same03:31
zulheh there should be an motu octagon at uds03:31
imbrandona wha?03:32
zullike a ring..03:32
imbrandoni'm sure there will be plenty of motu bof's03:32
imbrandoni know what an octigon is i just dont see the corelation03:32
LaserJocklike the ubuntu logo03:33
LaserJockexcept we have more03:33
TheMusoI am really starting to feel sad about not going to this UDS.03:33
imbrandon:/03:34
HobbseeTheMuso: next tiem03:34
TheMusoheh. Gartner reckon Apple should license hardware manufacturing/distribution to Dell.03:34
TheMusoHobbsee: Depends on where it is I guess, but yeah.03:34
imbrandonwoot flash9 works great even with konqui, too bad this still isnt ppc or amd64 builds\03:40
imbrandonguess we'll still need to fixup gnash for that ( and free x86 )03:40
Nafalloamd64 is planned, isn't it?03:41
ajmitchyes03:41
imbrandonNafallo, i guess planned but when they released the beta there is only x86 ;(03:42
Nafalloyea, I've looked at it some hours ago :-)03:43
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imbrandonarg , netsplit03:43
imbrandonyea i loaded it about an hour ago and tested it with konqui and ff03:44
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imbrandoninteresting libgnash overides libflash even if both are installed03:44
imbrandonanyhow brb more mt dew03:44
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imbrandonLaserJock, what was that site your wife needs ?04:22
LaserJockhttp://www.topsecretrecipes.com/04:24
LaserJockimbrandon: does it work?04:32
imbrandonLaserJock, http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss110.png04:32
imbrandongood new eh?04:33
imbrandonnews*04:33
LaserJockyes, very04:34
LaserJockhow'd you install flash 9?04:34
imbrandonfrom the adobe site, i'm working on a deb now04:34
imbrandoni'm just hacking the flasplugin-nonfree 7 deb to make an "unofficial" one as its far to late for edgy04:35
imbrandonbut i'll put it on imbrandon.com04:35
LaserJockthat'd be awesome dude04:35
imbrandonits super simple to install from the site if you wanan grab it from there ( but your welcome to wait )04:36
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imbrandonlitterly its download a tar, untar it , copy the *.so ( one file ) to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins  then restart firefox04:37
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LaserJockimbrandon: where did you download the tar? I can't find it04:44
imbrandonLaserJock, one sec04:45
imbrandonLaserJock, http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer9_update/FP9_plugin_beta_101806.tar.gz04:46
hubimbrandon: it is not a good news04:46
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hubimbrandon: the technology is still NOT open04:46
chillywillyhi04:47
imbrandonhub, good news he can get his wife off windows now04:47
hubwho needs flash anyway04:47
imbrandonhub, i know thus i'm packaging gnash too ;)04:47
imbrandonhub, LaserJock's wife wont leave windows untill that website worked on linux , so yes good news ;P04:47
imbrandoneven if its still evil its far less evil than full blown windows04:48
hubwhat is evil is all these incompetent people that think that flash belong to the www04:49
LaserJockfor sure04:49
Nafalloyay! xen :-)04:53
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Nafallonow I just want amd64 serverkernel for it ;-)04:53
ajmitchNafallo: then wait for feisty04:53
ajmitchor roll your own, shouldn't be hard04:53
NafalloI won't run feisty on my server :-)04:54
Nafalloyea, I was about to do that at some point I think.04:54
ajmitchoh well04:54
NafalloI have sources in my develdir ;-)04:54
ajmitchI don't think we'll have another x-s-2.6.17 build through04:54
ajmitchsince it takes over the buildd for awhile04:54
Nafallowe need more of those then :-)04:54
hubedgy is still very rough04:55
hubI have to use a pre-dapper kernel to have a functionnal laptop04:55
hubcrossing my finger that all the udev thing will not break because of that04:55
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LaserJockimbrandon: wahoo, it worked04:57
imbrandonLaserJock, rockin, i almost have a deb ready too04:58
LaserJockI didn't realize it was just one file04:58
imbrandonyea just one .so04:58
imbrandonits all most plugins are that are staticly linked04:58
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crimsunoh god, please don't package the beta of flash905:34
imbrandonumm ok, why not? you know if not there will be lots of crack about getting ti working05:35
crimsunyou are virtually ensuring people will SCREW their systems AND file bugs against flashplugin-nonfree -- which I will not be pleased about.05:35
crimsun(the entire download mechanism needs to be reworked for the beta of flash9 anyway)05:35
imbrandonhrm actualy i already have it working05:36
imbrandoni just dident announce the url ( and wont now i guess )05:36
HawkwindFlash 9 just simply works.  There is no hassle with it05:36
crimsunwell, yes, it's certainly kludgeable. I did it, too, but I'm not going to condone it.05:36
imbrandoncrimsun, right05:36
imbrandoni just thought a professional doing it would be better than crack on the forums ( can we call ourselfs profesional heh )05:37
crimsunit's all crack until Bart sorts it for Debian.05:37
imbrandonright but the _level_ of crack is far less05:38
imbrandon:) but i do see your point , i'm not saying that05:38
imbrandoni just dident want to see checkinstall debs floating arround05:38
HawkwindIckkkkkkk05:40
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crimsunnote that if you make a deb available, you are breaking their EULA.05:41
imbrandoneven downloading from them like 7 does ?05:41
crimsundepends what you're doing with libflashplayer.so.05:42
crimsunEven copying libflashplayer.so across the network breaks it.05:43
imbrandonit just apt-get sourced flashplugin-nonfree from the repos and hacked it to look for the new tar.gz05:43
imbrandonchanged the versions etc05:43
crimsuns/versions/md5sums/ ?05:43
imbrandonyea05:44
imbrandonmd5sum of the tar and of the file inside05:44
crimsunthis new EULA makes my skin crawl05:44
imbrandonheh yea kinda like the gplv3 does to me05:45
imbrandonone sec more soda05:45
LaserJockcrimsun: is it much worse then for the previous version (7?) ?05:46
crimsunit's shades creepier05:46
hubit is not even free ware05:53
hubbecause you allow them to audit at YOUR expenses your use of their software05:54
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imbrandonhub, yes it is a nasty , but as i've said before without getting to much into the whole FLOSS vs propiatary talk, some things are perceived as nessesary evils such as flash ( i'm one of those ) and untill gnash is more mature I have to choose my battles, but on the flip side of that I'm am packaging gnash too to grab a wider audiance and hopefully make it more mature faster06:01
hubI choose my battle06:01
hubboycott flash06:01
imbrandonso in other words i agree with you on the ideas, but in practice the world isnt perfect06:01
hubin practice you are hypocryt06:01
imbrandonno i've never said i'm 100% floss, and never will probably in the forseeable future, so thats not a hypocryte06:02
imbrandoni beleavein floss and stand behind it 100%, that dosent mean i'm RMS and shun closed also06:02
imbrandonif there is an open alternative i use it, if there is not ( in the case of flash ) i cant so i dont shoose to do without06:03
imbrandons/shoose/choose06:03
tritiumcrimsun already gets to support users with flash 9 and sound problems ;)06:03
crimsunyeah. I /love/ it.06:04
imbrandontritium, should be alot less though as it uses alsa and gracefully fails now or so they say06:04
hubimbrandon: I do without as well. lookm, no flash06:04
tritiumimbrandon: dunno, but he's already getting questions in #ubuntu06:04
imbrandonouch06:05
hubthey is IMHO the best strategy06:05
imbrandonhub, and thats your choice, i dont say its a bad one, its just not the correct choice for me06:05
imbrandoni do without flash on my ppc every day , as its the machine i use the most06:05
imbrandonas far as a desktop06:05
imbrandonpoint is its not a perfect world, and not everyone is a floss ONLY person, nor should they be imho but that just _my_ opinion, and honestly we both know where each other stand and this isnt really the place so i'll stop here06:07
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imbrandonthats one reason i sold my nvidia cards for intel graphics06:08
hubinstead of wasting time supporting their proprietary shit, why not helping on gnash?06:08
imbrandonso i could use 3d with oss drivers06:08
imbrandonhub, I am , but is dosent happen over night06:09
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imbrandonhub, you dident see the part where i said i'm trying to bring gnash to a wider audiance in feisty so we'll get more and better bug reports06:09
imbrandonand hopefull make it mature faster06:09
imbrandonand as soon as it does i'll use it fulll time06:10
imbrandonhub, infact see http://www.imbrandon.com/packages/pool/edgy/gnash/ <-- my plem packages ( i wouldent install them though as there is some known packaging issues i have yet to upload fixes for )06:11
imbrandonbut point is i am doing both, i'm not a black or white person , there is grey for me06:11
imbrandoninfact there is grey for every person that run oo.o or ff or krita or many other floss apps on windows06:12
imbrandonits just one more step in evolution, look at it like this, flash9 has brought one more person to linux ( and a future gnash user when it works for them ) e.g. LaserJock's wife06:13
imbrandonits cases liek that that make it not black or white for me06:13
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crimsunI wonder if anyone's actually going to provide feedback on a dapper-updates package in the 'test' phase of SRU.06:29
ajmitchcrimsun: that'd require people knowing about the package & wanting to test it06:29
crimsunyou'd figure with the number of people whining about broken sound there'd be /someone/ aware of it.06:30
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crimsunI may as well just trawl the forum now and post.06:30
ajmitcheasier to just complain06:30
ajmitchI tend to trawl forums & harass users to post bugs when I get the urge06:30
LaserJockwell, that's what I'm worried about with the SRU process06:32
LaserJockare we going to get much out of it?06:32
ajmitchprobably not06:32
LaserJockthe 2 weeks in -proposed06:32
ajmitchway too many packages06:32
ajmitch2 weeks is a long long time06:32
LaserJockyes it is06:32
ajmitchI don't particularly like it since we have no way of making sure that the packages get the testing needed in those 2 weeks06:33
LaserJockit'll be interesting to see what comes of these motu specs for UDSMV06:34
ajmitchinteresting times06:34
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LaserJockit all feels quite overwhelming06:36
ajmitchwhy so?06:36
LaserJocklots of issues, things to think about, and that's beside just doing the actual package maintenance06:36
ajmitchit's always like this, we just choose to ignore it most times06:37
LaserJockI don't want us to get so bogged down that we stop actually doing any work06:37
ajmitcha constant problem06:37
LaserJockbut it seems like somebody should be working about it06:37
ajmitchthat's why we go to MV to talk about it06:37
LaserJockwe need a UDS at crimsun's house :-)06:39
ajmitchheh06:40
imbrandonhehe06:43
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tritiumLaserJock: which specs?06:48
LaserJockthere are quite a few governance specs06:49
tritiumLaserJock: is there a URL with a list?06:50
LaserJockhttps://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/motu06:50
tritiumthanks06:50
LaserJockhttps://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/new-developers06:51
LaserJocktritium: btw, the list of Mountain View specs is : https://features.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-mtv/06:52
ajmitchlots of crack06:52
ajmitch& growing06:53
tritiumLaserJock: are you going?06:53
ajmitch'beryl-by-default'06:53
tritiumI may try to go if I can combine it with a business trip.06:55
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LaserJocktritium: i've got a departmental seminar on the 7th06:56
LaserJockso I'll drive over that afternoon06:56
ajmitchLaserJock: you won't be there before then?06:57
tritiumLaserJock: nice, maybe I'll see you there06:57
LaserJockajmitch: unfortunately not06:57
imbrandonajmitch, he is comming tuesday06:57
LaserJockit's really bad timing06:57
ajmitchunfortunate06:57
LaserJockmy inlaws called and said they are coming down in like a week06:58
LaserJockthen I had this seminar planned before the UDS announcment06:58
imbrandonLaserJock, so your not comming at all , or just late ?06:59
LaserJockI'll be there Tuesday night on06:59
imbrandonahh ok07:00
LaserJockmy seminar is at noon07:00
LaserJockI plan on driving pretty much straight from there07:00
LaserJockso I should be there by dinner :-)07:00
imbrandonberyl_by_default should be feisty+207:00
imbrandonnot feisty07:00
imbrandonheh07:00
imbrandonLaserJock, yea its only like 5.5 hours right ?07:01
imbrandonfrom reno to sf that is07:01
LaserJocksomething like that07:01
LaserJock4 hrs to SF07:02
imbrandoni took a trip to SF like 2 times for concerts when i lived in reno07:02
imbrandonstoped at donner lake a few times with the kids too07:04
imbrandonheh07:04
=== minghua wonders why edgy-fontconfig is in UDSMV's spec list
minghuadeferred?07:04
ajmitchyeah07:05
minghuaa good reason not to write the release codename in your spec name :-)07:05
LaserJockyeah, wouldn't want people to know our specs were from hoary or something ;-)07:08
hubhttp://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7719803018.html <- ahahah07:10
imbrandonhub, yea good think  7.0.63 hasent been used in ages, i'm sure i could drudge up vunerabilties for linux2.4 or most anything else :)07:15
imbrandons/think/thing07:15
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minghuawe have spam in malone now?07:43
minghuawhere should I report this?  #launchpad?07:43
imbrandonminghua, i would say so07:44
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imbrandonohh ohh i soo want a sun blackbox08:09
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imbrandonactualy i could probably build one for what they cost08:09
imbrandonheya Fujitsu08:09
FujitsuHi imbrandon.08:09
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tonyyarussoHi all, I recently formally wrote up a feature specification proposal, and as I do not having coding skills it would need someone to step up for both the Drafter and Assignee positions.  I would greatly appreciate it if anyone would be willing to do that.  The spec is filed at https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/gaim-calendar-auto-aways if you'd like to take a look.09:06
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superm1imbrandon, do you think it will be possible to get two last patches in for mythtv and mythplugins prior to edgy release?09:12
imbrandonwell RC is being released in a  few hours, depends on how critiacl the fixes are09:15
imbrandonmost likely not tbh but i can look09:15
superm1i wouldn't call either of them critical.  just the mythplugins would make for a cleaner install of mythweb09:16
superm1the mythtv isn't very important at all09:16
imbrandonthen i would say not09:16
superm1bug 66564 for mythplugins if you would like to look09:16
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imbrandononly things getting in now are ultra critical09:16
UbugtuMalone bug 66564 in mythplugins "Mythweb doesn't set permissions correctly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6656409:16
superm1oic09:17
superm1well makes sense :)09:17
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imbrandonheh we are 6 days from release and all ;)09:17
superm1well it's okay, our deers will be very accepting i'm sure09:18
imbrandonfood time , brb09:18
imbrandon;)09:18
Hobbseeimbrandon: it must be some time to upload some crackful stuff, then!09:19
FujitsuHobbsee, of course.09:19
HobbseeFujitsu: :D09:20
superm1is there any particularly urgent stuff you guys will need a hand with still?  i'll have a few hours tomorrow at work that I can probably kill giving a hand.09:20
Hobbseesuperm1: unmet deps09:20
superm1hehe, thats always the story :).  Okay09:21
superm1i haven't looked at the list for a day or two.09:21
Hobbseesuperm1: well, they're very useful, assuming they actually get into the archive.  also just fixing various bugs in the archive09:21
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superm1very well.  i'll see you guys tomorrow then and see what i can do to lend a hand more.  -Night09:23
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=== ajmitch returns
FujitsuEvening, ajmitch.09:57
Hobbseehey ajmitch09:57
=== Fujitsu finally gets around to uploading that new mpd.
ajmitchput the changelog on malone?09:58
FujitsuI got a UVF for it a couple of days ago.09:58
ajmitchyeah09:58
ajmitchbut for the upload09:58
Hobbseeajmitch: with all these new MOTU recruits, i get to be the lazy MOTU instead of you :P09:58
ajmitchit helps to see changelogs on bugs when it's approval time09:59
ajmitchHobbsee: I can still be a lazy MOTU09:59
Hobbseeajmitch: not when you have to do UVFe stuff10:00
ajmitch& a whole bunch of other release-critical stuff10:01
Fujitsuajmitch, post the changelog entries since the current Ubuntu version as a comment on the bug?10:01
ajmitchFujitsu: basically I need justification for uploads - being a UVF exception it should be ok10:01
ajmitchbut for everything else I'd like to see changelogs on bugs10:02
ajmitchotherwise uploads sit & rot in the queue10:02
FujitsuOK.10:02
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Fujitsuajmitch, uploaded.10:05
ajmitchok10:05
ajmitchI'll wave it through next time I see an archive admin alive10:05
FujitsuThanks10:06
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minghuanice... xchat-gnome crashes10:06
Hobbseeajmitch: that's when they dont sit and rot on revu :P10:06
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ajmitchHobbsee: you can do something about REVU10:07
Hobbseeajmitch: no i cant.  what would i do?10:07
ajmitchreview stuff10:09
ajmitchit's the logical answer10:09
ajmitchhello Yagisan10:09
Hobbseenah...10:09
ajmitchsuggest fixes for peopl10:09
YagisanG'day ajmitch10:10
Yagisanalmost finished excising, re-implementing non-gpl code in my project, so hopefully I can get a package in edgy+110:11
Yagisanit was a pain in the arse to audit too O_o10:11
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minghuaI wonder how I can request a package removal10:11
YagisanHobbsee, ajmitch - so hows uni treating you ?10:12
ajmitchfile a bug, subscribe ubuntu-archive10:12
Fujitsuminghua, file a big `Please remove X from the archive' or thereabouts.10:12
=== minghua strongly suspect bug #41533 should be fixed by removing the package
UbugtuMalone bug 41533 in mozilla-locale-zh-cn "[UNMETDEPS]  mozilla-locale-zh-cn has unmet dependencies" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4153310:12
ajmitchgive good reasons for removing it10:12
FujitsuAnd do as ajmitch said.10:12
HobbseeYagisan: my next assignment is due next week.  all is good :)10:12
ajmitchYagisan: uni? what uni?10:12
YagisanHobbsee, I have a final exam tommorow10:12
minghuaajmitch, Fujitsu: thanks, I'll do that when I confirm in an edgy environment10:12
Yagisanajmitch, IIRC you had a uni id card when I last saw you10:13
ajmitchYagisan: that was earlier this year10:13
HobbseeYagisan: ouch10:13
Hobbseehehe, he does10:13
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FujitsuYagisan, run along and study, then :P10:13
minghua(or is there an easy way to check a binary package's dependency, like packages.d.o?)10:13
ajmitchHobbsee: quiet, you10:13
Fujitsupackage.ubuntu.com, minghua?10:13
Hobbseeajmitch: :D10:13
Fujitsu*packages10:13
Hobbseeminghua: apt-cache show foo | grep Depends10:13
minghuaFujitsu: is that up-to-date enough?10:13
YagisanFujitsu, I've not studied yet - and I don't intend to start now - 75% for lack of effort so far is perfectly acceptable10:14
minghuaHobbsee: not when I am not under edgy :-)  but thanks10:14
ajmitchpackages.u.c is generally pretty crap, I've found10:14
Fujitsuajmitch, `generally'? `Pretty'?10:14
ajmitchminghua: or you ask in the channel for someone to tell you the dependencies10:14
FujitsuAlways and very, I think you'll find.10:14
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Hobbseeminghua: ah10:15
Fujitsuminghua, LP can actually tell you all that stuff.10:15
YagisanHobbsee, ever notice that everything taught in programming class, never ever matches whats in the real world10:16
Hobbseea little10:16
Fujitsuminghua: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/i386/mozilla-locale-zh-cn/1.6-0.110:16
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minghuaFujitsu: Ahh... Thanks!10:17
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minghuaLP UI is a nightmare10:17
ajmitchminghua: launchpad is full of hidden gems10:18
Fujitsuminghua, it really is a nightmare, yes.10:18
ajmitchas well as traps which will bite your ankle off10:18
FujitsuI just go looking through it sometimes, and find all sorts of stuff.10:18
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highvoltageI find the launchpad staffers real friendly though. When I get lost they always help without complaining :)10:19
Yagisansometimes it feels you have to know a bug exists before you can find it on LP.10:19
minghuaI think package wise, I still prefer packages.d.o and packages.qa.d.o10:19
minghuaalthough malone is sometimes more handy than Debian BTS10:20
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FujitsuOh.10:20
FujitsuI forgot the -sa10:20
ajmitchcommon mistake10:20
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=== Fujitsu is surprised Soyuz noticed that.
ajmitchwhy?10:21
FujitsuI would have expected it to choke and kill itself.10:21
FujitsuLP seems to like doing that.10:21
FujitsuLike OOPSing if a bug has too many dupes.10:22
FujitsuWho knows how it manages to time out for that sort of thing.10:22
minghuaHmm, maybe this is not a case for removal, just the locale package out-of-date with mozilla10:22
LathiatFujitsu: walking the status and doing lots of queries on too many bugs?10:22
minghuabut nothing we can do here, as the Debian package is also out of date10:22
FujitsuLathiat, even so.10:22
minghuaI'll just add the comments then10:23
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ajmitchFujitsu: getting the subscribers for all of the duplicate bugs?10:24
ajmitchwhich probably is done by a massive number of joins10:25
Fujitsuajmitch, with only about 250 dupes, it can't take that long.10:25
ajmitchso you think10:25
FujitsuPlus it breaks what are the most common bugs completely, so it's sort of important to not stuff up things like that.10:26
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dholbachgood morning11:02
ajmitchhey dholbach11:04
dholbachhi ajmitch11:07
imbrandon_moins dholbach11:08
dholbachheya imbrandon_11:08
imbrandon_Fujitsu: we were both way off on the path thing, but i got it fixed up now for sure, started a new build and i'm off to sleep11:09
imbrandon_see ya in a few hours11:09
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sivangdholbach: we should improve the unmetdeps script to actually tell which bin packages out of a source are the ones broken,12:42
sivangdholbach: surely there should be a way for this if the script manages to actully find any12:42
dholbachsivang: go ahead :)12:42
sivangdholbach: I've done something locally for my usage, but I wanted to ask you if you know if this can be checked without attemptong to install the packages?12:43
sivangmy script for running iside a chroot looks like:12:43
sivangBINS=`apt-cache showsrc $1 | grep Binary | sed -e s/Binary\:\ // | xargs -d ","`12:43
sivangfor bin in $BINS;12:44
sivangdo12:44
sivang sudo apt-get -y install $bin  | grep -A5 "unmet dependencies"12:44
sivangso you get only those that didn't install due to unemtdeps12:44
sivangdone12:44
dholbachwhy now parse the output of   apt-cache -i unmet  ?12:44
=== StevenK has an unmet deps upload in unapproved.
sivangdholbach: right, I'll try that, for myself I wanted to have a script that actually installs them for some tests I am doing (like after fixing)12:46
sivangdholbach: hmm, this is easier that I thought :)12:47
dholbachenjoy it12:48
minghuadholbach: you maintain the glom package in ubuntu, don't you?12:51
dholbachminghua: yes12:51
minghuadholbach: did you see glom author's new blog entry?12:51
dholbachyes12:51
dholbachI'm just busy with stuff and we don't have a policy for SRUs in Universe yet12:52
minghuawhat do you think the chance is for glom 1.0.8 to enter dapper-update?12:52
dholbachwe release in 7 days12:52
dholbachatm I don't really care much about dapper-updates to be honest12:52
dholbachdon't get me wrong, I like Murray very much and I'll think about it and see what can be done12:52
minghuadholbach: no, I am not pushing you12:52
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minghuadholbach: I am thinking of working on getting glom 1.0.8 into dapper-update once we have SRU policy in place12:53
dholbachI'm happy to do that and work on it12:53
dholbachbut we need the policy first12:53
dholbachthere's a document on the wiki about it12:53
dholbachbut nobody bothered to add something to it after our meeting12:53
minghuadholbach: I see.  just checking with you, thanks.  I know you are busy about edgy release :-)12:54
dholbachThanks :-)12:54
dholbachglom kicks ass and I want to do for it what I can12:54
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kkubasikAccording to the wiki I'm supposed to ask here to get my gpg key synced to I can upload to REVU01:22
minghuakkubasik: please read topic01:23
minghuathere is an URL for you to add your key01:23
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kkubasikalright, I joined the group ;)01:24
kkubasikits ok that I upload packages to revu even though were in a freeze?01:24
minghuakkubasik: yes, REVU is not affected by freeze01:25
kkubasikI'm working on merging a couple different things, but I'm new to packaging so I wanted to get some feedback01:25
kkubasikawesome, thanks!01:25
geserminghua: it was necessary that a revu admin synced the gpg keyring manually. has this changed?01:25
minghuageser: I have no idea :-)  I don't use REVU myself01:25
minghuaI don't think it changed though.  so kkubasik you probably need to wait a while before you can upload to REVU :-)01:26
kkubasikno problem ;)01:27
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geserkkubasik: I might be helpful to ping the REVU admins to get their attention01:34
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edscho1Anyone know what the Debian way is to replace one official package to the latest compiled from source? Removing the package first with apt-get will also remove dependencies. Can I make a stub package to prevent this?02:20
minghuaedscho1: Yes, you can.  You want to look at equivs package.02:32
edscho1minghua: thanks :)02:32
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gnomefreaklibflash-mozplugin is non-free as well is flashplugin-nonfree?03:29
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bddebianHeya gang03:48
bhalehi03:48
bddebianHello bhale03:49
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bhalehm, kkubasik is here03:56
Q-FUNKhttp://q-funk.iki.fi/2006-10-19_Eesti_Ekspress_Linutop.pdf04:07
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fowlduckshould i scratch building new packages in an edgy environment and just wait until feisty is available?04:54
Riddellfowlduck: no04:55
Riddellwhen feisty is available it'll be much the same as edgy04:55
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chantrahi guys, how to you make a dpatch patch?04:55
bhaleman dpatch-edit-patch04:55
chantrais it diff -ruN ?04:55
bhaleno.04:55
chantrabhale: arf :)04:56
sivangchantra: what bhale said, dpatch-edit-patch will provide you anything you need, you just need to follow it precisly04:56
fowlduckRiddell, ok, thanks :)04:56
bhalehttp://blog.brandonhale.us/articles/search?q=dpatch04:56
bhalethe dpatch manpage admittedly sucks04:56
chantrabhale: :)04:57
bhalethat post was famous when MOTU first started04:58
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chantrabhale: , actually, I already made the patch in a diff -ruN format05:00
bhaleok?05:00
chantracan I easily convvert it ?05:00
bhaleyou can copy the header into it from a real dpatch05:01
chantraor maybe just user my patch and exit05:01
bhaleor you can use dpatch-edit-patch on a clean source t ree05:01
bhaleand apply the patch05:01
bhalethen exit the shell05:01
bhaleif you try it, you will get it05:02
bhalejust have to do it05:02
chantrabhale: cheers05:12
chantrathe trick is to copy the patch into the package directory05:12
chantraas I could not get my patch from the parent directory :s05:12
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bhaleit should be in debian/patches05:24
bhale(sigh)05:24
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Admiral_Chicagonetsplit?06:42
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LaserJocklucas: I didn't know you had a 40 node cluster to build on07:48
LaserJockthat's quite cool07:49
lucasI have more nodes than that, but 40 is enough :)07:49
LaserJocklucas: is that at your uni?07:50
lucasit's a french research project on grid computing, so there are resources shared by different laboratories07:50
lucasthe goal is to reach 5000 CPUs. We have about 1200 nodes currently (so 2400 CPUs)07:51
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LaserJockholy cow07:52
LaserJockand they run Debian?07:52
lucasdepends on the cluster. some of them, yes. some of them run ubuntu, or fedora core or rocks07:53
lucasbut one can "deploy" his own work environment on the nodes07:53
lucasso, if you want to work on debian/ubuntu, you just have to deploy a debian/ubuntu environment07:54
LaserJockcrazy07:54
LaserJocklucas: how much access do you have to it?07:56
lucaswell, I can run jobs on it, and I'm part of the technical committee for it07:58
LaserJockcool07:58
LaserJockI just wondered if we need to do Universe-wide audits it would be a whole lot easier on something like that07:58
LaserJockwhere you did the FTBFS run in 4-5 it would have taken us forever07:58
lucasit takes about 10 days on a single node07:59
lucasmy plans are to improve my tools, and then to run other tests07:59
cbx33LaserJock, where are the menu files stored....08:00
cbx33i know you did that dynamic menu thing08:00
LaserJockcbx33: my menu files or the general ones?08:00
cbx33the general ones08:00
LaserJocklucas: that's super cool08:01
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fowlduckhow do I report a package for which no binaries have been built in edgy?  It appears libapache2-mod-mono and libapache-mod-mono don't have anything.09:19
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thiagocmartinscHi! who is working on asterisk package ?!09:22
thiagocmartinsc I see that's asterisk.init doesn't manage varrun correctly...09:22
LaserJockfowlduck: you could file a bug :-)09:23
LaserJockthiagocmartinsc: not sure09:23
fowlduckLaserJock: hmm, i can download it manually, erg09:24
thiagocmartinscmy asterisk.init is right at this time.. for asterisk-1.2.12.109:24
LaserJockthiagocmartinsc: looks like shawarma_away maybe is the last uploader09:24
thiagocmartinscI see Soren Hansen in the last entry on changelog for 1:1.2.12.1.dfsg-1ubuntu109:25
thiagocmartinscmaybe send an email..  :-P09:26
LaserJockfowlduck: mod-mono is FTBFS09:27
LaserJocklooks like an unmet dep problem from the build log09:28
slomofowlduck, LaserJock: no, just broken apache or apache2... they must be installed both at the same time but one of them is broken to not allow this anymore09:28
slomoinfinity already promised me more than once to fix it ;)09:29
fowlduckya, found that bug now :)09:29
LaserJocksladen: right, it was a unmet dep in apache2-threaded-dev09:29
Burgworkthiagocmartinsc: again, bugs go to the bug tracker, along with patches to fix it09:30
slomoLaserJock: i'm not sladen ;)09:31
slomopoor sladen :P09:31
LaserJockbah09:32
LaserJockI didn't even see that09:32
sladenmooo09:35
LaserJocksorry sladen09:37
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thiagocmartinscBurgwork, Ok!09:37
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Burgworkthiagocmartinsc: that way, it doesn't get lost, as Ubuntu doesn't have such strong package ownership, like Debian09:38
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sladenthiagocmartinsc: like Burgwork says, ideally copy the upload to a mailing list, or attach the patch to the corresponding bug report09:40
thiagocmartinscBurgwork, but, on asterisk-1.2.12.1.dfsg-1ubuntu1 found on edgy, Soren Hansen says "create /var/run/ directory if necessary and set proper permissions"09:40
thiagocmartinscbut it's not happening...!09:41
sladenthiagocmartinsc: _what_ is not happening09:41
Burgworkthiagocmartinsc: regardless of who introduced the bug, it is a bug09:41
sladenthiagocmartinsc: what error message do you get?09:41
thiagocmartinsc/etc/init.d/asterisk doesn't create /var/run/asterisk like /etc/init.d/ssh ... remember... /var/run is mount at boot.. ok?!09:42
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thiagocmartinscI'm talking about the check_privsep_dir() func on init.d...09:44
sladenthiagocmartinsc: have you filed all of this in a bug report, then we can keep everything in one place and not loose information09:45
Burgworksladen: where is my "irc is a not a bug reporting tool" spec09:45
thiagocmartinscno, this is my first report....09:45
sladenI'm not sure who Soren Hansen is, are they the Debian maintainer, one of the upstream authors, another user?09:45
LaserJocksladen: it's shawarma09:46
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sladenLaserJock: ta09:46
thiagocmartinscSoren Hansen is the guy that's upload the asterisk-1:1.2.12.1.dfsg-1ubuntu1 to EDGY!09:46
thiagocmartinscapt-get source asterisk and you see it...09:47
thiagocmartinsc:-P09:47
sladenthiagocmartinsc: can you go to  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/asterisk/+filebug  and include all of the information you've pasted into IRC so far09:47
thiagocmartinscof course!09:47
sladenthiagocmartinsc: thank you for that.  You can also see the changelog by do  less /usr/share/doc/asterisk/changelog09:47
thiagocmartinscsladen, yes.. I know that...  but I don't have asterisk of edgy installed here... sorry...09:48
ajmitchmorning all09:49
thiagocmartinscI'm working with pkg-voip-maintainers...09:49
sladenthiagocmartinsc: right, so where are you seeing this bug if you don't have asterisk installed?09:49
thiagocmartinscbecasuse I know that.09:49
sladenhow do you know?09:50
thiagocmartinscasterisk.init on edgy sources don't manage the /var/run ... so, after a reboot.. asterisk don't found /var/run/asterisk.09:50
thiagocmartinscon Debian we don't have /var/run on a tmpfs...09:51
sladenthiagocmartinsc: right, so give the bug a title "asterisk.init fails when /var/run is tmpfs"09:53
sladenthiagocmartinsc: and please, please, please, pretty please, file a bug report09:53
thiagocmartinscOk man!09:53
sladenthiagocmartinsc: excellent! :)09:53
thiagocmartinscYou don't need to tell me 2 times!!! :-D09:53
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sladenthiagocmartinsc: so, do we have bug number yet?10:10
sladenthiagocmartinsc: there are people who are happy to work on this, but can't without a bug number10:10
sladenthiagocmartinsc: and if I asked you again, that would be nagging, right :)10:10
thiagocmartinscsladen, I forgot my password on launchpad..   hehehe10:12
thiagocmartinscin a few minutes I will post a BUG report...10:13
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thiagocmartinscsladen, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/asterisk/+bug/6700110:32
UbugtuMalone bug 67001 in asterisk "asterisk.init fails when /var/run is tmpfs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 10:32
sladenthiagocmartinsc: woooooooo!10:33
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thiagocmartinscsladen, what's up man?!10:34
sladenyou deserve a lollipop reward10:34
ajmitchman, I wish I got rewards10:35
sladenare you able to get a copy of  'asterisk.init' before and after you modified them and type   diff -u old-asterisk.init new-asterisk.init10:35
sladenthiagocmartinsc: having a diff would help us enormously since it shows the changes and can be applied automatically10:36
thiagocmartinscyes.. I have a diff10:36
sladenthiagocmartinsc: if you do Add comment  then Add attachment, you can upload it and tick the 'patch' box10:37
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thiagocmartinscMmmm... Ok!10:39
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gnomefreakhow do i update the iso using rsync i used -vPz rsync://server  ~/edgy-desk....iso  there is a -u option but do i need to run the --inplace flag also?10:48
fdovingno. --inplace should not be needed.10:52
gnomefreakso -vPzu should be all10:53
fdovingyou don't need -u either.10:54
gnomefreakit will update the iso as long as i add the dir?10:54
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LaserJockgnomefreak: rsync -az --progress is what I use10:56
gnomefreakthat updated the iso10:56
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fdovinggnomefreak: i use 'rsync -vPz --progress --bwlimit=100'10:56
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gnomefreakty in 40minutes i will play with those commands10:58
gnomefreakbbl gotta get dinner ready for oven11:00
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