[12:33] <ryanakca> back
[12:36] <ryanakca> apokryphos: yes, well, the hotkeys are given a value, ex: XF86HOME or XF86VOLUP (or something simillar), and then I just used those keys in the keyboard shortcuts menu
[12:36] <apokryphos> right
[12:38] <ryanakca> XF86Mail, XF86HomePage ... I just reset those to kontact and FF... but I can't seem for find the ones that go for the mutilmedia ones...
[12:39] <ryanakca> they're given values by selecting your keyboard model in Regional & Languages 
[12:40] <apokryphos> ryanakca: just to be clear, are you wondering what the XF86XXXX name should be for vol up/down, or are you looking for where to alter the "Volume Up/Down" shortcut?
[12:40] <ryanakca> where to alter
[12:40] <ryanakca> XF86(VolUp, VolDown, Mute) are already assigned...
[12:41] <apokryphos> ryanakca: from kmix global shortcuts, right?
[12:41] <ryanakca> just need to find where to stick them so that it controls the sound
[12:43] <apokryphos> ryanakca: ...and for other multimedia stuff I'd really just presume that it's set in each application (kaffeine, amarok)
[12:43] <apokryphos> though GNOME does handle that differently, I know (global multimedia shortcuts with "clever" app detection)
[12:44] <ryanakca> aha, found it... it used to be under System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcutes -> (Global shortcuts) iirc
[12:44] <apokryphos> I kind of presumed you were just looking there :P
[12:45] <ryanakca> lol
[12:45] <apokryphos> (and saw that it wasn't there, not sure if it should be though, really; kmix global shortcut definitely does just the job though)
[12:46] <ryanakca> now, while setting it up in kmix, for some reason, the systray icons went single row instead of double row like I set them... odd...
[12:46] <ryanakca> I'll ask in #ubuntu+1 or #kde or #kubuntu...
[12:46] <apokryphos> hm, can't reproduce here
[12:47] <ryanakca> apokryphos: settings, configure kmix, apply
[12:47] <apokryphos> ryanakca: not settings -> configure global shortcuts?
[12:48] <ryanakca> you can set the shortcuts in the configure global shortcuts
[12:48] <apokryphos> yeah
[12:48] <ryanakca> however, I had misclicked, so I hit apply, instead of ok. when I opened the Comfigure KMix dialog...
[12:48] <ryanakca> misclicked = Configure KMix instead of Configure Global Shortcuts
[12:49] <apokryphos> right
[12:49] <apokryphos> hitting apply there for me still doesn't do anything weird to the panel
[12:49] <ryanakca> odd...
[12:49] <nuku> the osd volume is from the kmilo service not kmix
[12:50] <apokryphos> nuku: so?
[12:51] <nuku> so the X86Vol* keys are binded there..
[12:51] <nuku> i think they are even hardcoded..
[12:51] <ryanakca> bash: kmilo: command not found
[12:51] <ryanakca> sorry, ignorance :)
[12:51] <ryanakca> hmm...
[12:51] <nuku> see kcontrol -> kde compontents -> services and stop kmilo
[12:51] <apokryphos> I'm pretty sure they're not
[12:52] <ryanakca> well, not that doesn't work point, just that it stopped working...
[12:52] <apokryphos> because I always used my volume multimedia key shortcuts specifically with amarok's global shortcuts
[12:52] <ryanakca> 'Unable to contact KDED'...
[12:53] <ryanakca> ok, this is wierd... reboot?
[12:53] <nuku> apokryphos: maybe amarok remaps them..
[12:54] <apokryphos> I'm pretty sure they'd be remapped even in kmix
[12:54] <nuku> anyway this kmilo thing handles them in the first place.. 
[12:56] <ryanakca> ok, I'm going to reboot...
[12:59] <apokryphos> seems to work fine straight away, I guess they are set like that by default
[12:59] <apokryphos> though, again, there'd be no problem in such a case of altering the kmix global shortcuts (since it's just a front-end to alsamixer)
[01:00] <apokryphos> that is, in the case of things not working properly
[01:00] <apokryphos> ryanakca: have you updated your kde?
[01:02] <ryanakca> I ran dist-upgrade on tuesday, and I installed KDE4 as well
[01:02] <ryanakca> but I logged out-in, 
[01:02] <apokryphos> that should be all you'd need
[01:02] <ryanakca> and KDE4 is installed seperately...
[01:03] <ryanakca> yeah
[01:03] <ryanakca> brb, reboot, now that the upgrade (started 3 min ago) is finished
[01:03] <jjesse> edgy is w/ kde 3.5.5 right?
[01:04] <apokryphos> yeah
[01:04] <apokryphos> don't know how that was managed, but very cool ;-)
[01:05] <jjesse> very carefully :)
[01:20] <ryanakca> apokryphos: nuku: wierd... works now...
[01:20] <ryanakca> hmm... just as wierd... kwallet works now
[01:20] <apokryphos> heh
[01:21] <ryanakca> KDE + upgrade = wierdness
[01:21] <ryanakca> log(out/in) usually does it...
[01:27] <apokryphos> that you could have those changes after an upgrade isn't surprising, but after a restart and not a logout would be
[01:27] <apokryphos> damn, I gotta head off to bed, see you :)
[01:39] <nixternal> bug 66858
[01:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66858 in digikam "[Edgy]  Adding a Tag + Icon Crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66858
[01:39] <nixternal> someone confirm that please
[01:39] <nixternal> it happens on every install i have here
[01:40] <ryanakca> erm... sure
[01:40] <ryanakca> just a sec..
[01:40] <nixternal> all you have to do is, add a tag to an image, and then select the icon thing to add an icon, and it should segfault on you
[01:41] <ryanakca> kk
[01:43] <ryanakca> I have all the comp teachers agreeing with me on the fact that it's stupid wasting money when you have a free (and better) alternative at hand...
[01:43] <nixternal> omg
[01:43] <nixternal> bug 67036
[01:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67036 in Ubuntu "Getting Started - a gripe" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67036
[01:43] <nixternal> will someone tell me, does that guy want us to write documentation to show him how to burn a damn iso?
[01:45] <ryanakca> yes
[01:45] <ryanakca> nixternal: he does
[01:45] <nixternal> holy shnikey this bug irks the hell out of me
[01:45] <ryanakca> reject? :D
[01:46] <nixternal> my daughter is 10 and she burns iso and music cds all day long
[01:46] <nixternal> im lost
[01:46] <ryanakca> same here...
[01:46] <nixternal> i don't want to reject, but maybe we should look at explaining an ISO in our documentation
[01:46] <nixternal> this is a wishlist bug i feel
[01:46] <ryanakca> yeah
[01:47] <ryanakca> iirc, when you right click on an iso in windows, it gives you the option to burn it onto a disc...
[01:48] <ryanakca> I might look into doing that one day...
[01:50] <ryanakca> I wonder, could Kubuntu stuff (bug triaging, teaching classroom classes, packaging, making the rc logo, etc) could towards volunteer hours? (In ontario, we need 40h of volunteering for our high school diploma)
[01:51] <ryanakca> digikam is installed
[01:54] <nixternal> sorry..was responding to that horrid bug
[01:54] <Riddell> ryanakca: it entirely depends on the definition used by your school, but I don't see why not
[01:54] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[01:54] <Hobbsee> which bug?  arent they all horid?  :P
[01:55] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal, Riddell 
[01:55] <ryanakca> Riddell: who would I bug to sign the slip?
[01:55] <nixternal> bug 67036
[01:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67036 in Ubuntu "Getting Started - a gripe" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67036
[01:55] <Riddell> ryanakca: me
[01:55] <ryanakca> Riddell: mail it to the canonical office in montreal?
[01:55] <ryanakca> Air Mail! :D
[01:55] <nixternal> that guy says we should have a "hand holding document to help windows users create bootable cds from the iso files they download"
[01:55] <Riddell> could do that too, if you need an insecure physical signature
[01:55] <nixternal> actually, after i put it like that, i think we should have something
[01:56] <ryanakca> insecure physical signature?
[01:56] <ryanakca> G'night
[01:58] <ryanakca> nixternal: yep :)
[01:58] <nixternal> it buggered on you too?
[01:58] <Hobbsee_> ugh
[01:58] <ryanakca> bug 66858
[01:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66858 in digikam "[Edgy]  Adding a Tag + Icon Crashes" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66858
[01:58] <ryanakca> yep, crashed... 
[02:02] <jdong> nixternal: hehe, I think you got the wrong 3 new features for ktorrent 2.0.3 ;-)
[02:02] <nixternal> well, the NEWS file was blank, so that is what they get
[02:03] <jdong> nixternal: yeah, I've called them out openly about their crummy changelogs :D
[02:03] <jdong> nixternal: btw, they're increased download speeds, improved private tracker compatibility
[02:03] <nixternal> fix it homer!
[02:03] <nixternal> ;)
[02:03] <jdong> and the third one, I guess, is increased version number ;-)
[02:03] <nixternal> you can edit da wiki
[02:03] <nixternal> fix her up, as i did notice your name on their site for the ubuntu package ;)
[02:04] <Hobbsee> hey jdong 
[02:05] <jdong> hey Hobbsee
[02:09] <jdong> nixternal: all happy now :)
[02:09] <nixternal> hehe
[02:09] <nixternal> i need fo0d
[02:10] <Tonio_> Sime: tested your patches, they are okay
[02:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[02:10] <jdong> mee too
[02:11] <Tonio_> Sime: I'll report the issue concerning konqueror segfault, so that once resolved, we can switch back to the previous patch version
[02:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: can we try to ping mdz maybe tomorrow to try to get those patches in ?
[02:34] <ryanakca> can anybody reproduce bug 67044 ?
[02:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67044 in kaffeine "Kaffeine crashes when attempting to play CD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67044
[02:40] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: nope
[02:41] <Jucato> morning Hobbsee!
[02:41] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[02:41] <ryanakca> hmmm, kk, ty (btw... attempting to play a cd when cd drive = empty... I might want to add that to the title...)
[02:48] <ryanakca> lol
[02:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: because you can :P
[02:49] <jsgotangco> because its possible?
[02:49] <ryanakca> imbrandon: no clue... I was just wondering if it would work under kaffeine
[02:51] <Tonio_> hum, I really have to patch kaffeine to remove the audio features.......
[02:51] <Tonio_> that would avoid stupid bugs :)
[02:51] <Jucato> because it's.. there? :)
[02:51] <imbrandon> Tonio_, my thoughts exactly
[02:51] <Tonio_> imbrandon I have a patched version here
[02:51] <Tonio_> works for me :)
[02:52] <imbrandon> well its a bit late now, but bring it to mtv
[02:52] <Tonio_> imbrandon that work my uds work, prepare the stuff to make multimedia simple so that we can play with it
[02:52] <ryanakca> imbrandon: why would you want to rip a cd in KAudioCreater CD ripper, when you can do so in K3b?
[02:52] <imbrandon> Tonio_, exactly
[02:52] <Tonio_> imbrandon I'm also patching k3b to replace kaudiocreator
[02:52] <imbrandon> ryanakca, i dont use kaudiocreator ;)
[02:52] <Tonio_> and allow good konqueror integration
[02:53] <imbrandon> and audiocd -> amarok != kscd
[02:53] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:53] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I plan to get kaudiocreator removed from kubuntu for edgy+1
[02:53] <ryanakca> Tonio_: good
[02:53] <Tonio_> and kscd removed too, aswell as kaffeine simplified to get rid of audio functions
[02:53] <imbrandon> Tonio_, we just have to make sure it can rip mp3/ogg/flac and we're good
[02:54] <Tonio_> they are not supported much, unstable, and duplicate amarok
[02:54] <Hobbsee> we'd better not become like gnome though
[02:54] <Tonio_> imbrandon it can
[02:54] <Tonio_> I tested widely
[02:54] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, how is having one app for one job gnome ;)
[02:54] <Tonio_> imbrandon the only problem is that there is no command line option to launch k3b opening the audio device
[02:54] <Tonio_> that's what I'm patching
[02:54] <Tonio_> k3b --device /dev/cdrom should be possible
[02:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: well, it always occurs to me when i'm on a gnome based live cd how *little* software there is on it.
[02:55] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: but one app for one job tends to be good
[02:55] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, few "supper" apps has always been the kde way 
[02:55] <Hobbsee> true
[02:55] <imbrandon> lots of little apps that do an indivudaul job is the gnome way
[02:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: 3 apps doing the same thing means -> 3 more bug reports -> 3 more time spend fixing them -> duplication is evil
[02:55] <Jucato> Hobbsee: there are some apps hidden from the menu but are installed. like BitTorrent.
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: indeed :)  i was meaning in the general case.
[02:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well I'm not against duplication, I just think we don't need to ship kaudiocreator and kscd
[02:56] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, trust me kde couldent be as dumbed down as gnome even if it tried
[02:56] <Hobbsee> yeah, fair enough :)
[02:56] <Tonio_> especially while kaudiocrator is a peace of shit.....
[02:56] <imbrandon> hahaha
[02:56] <Tonio_> sorry for this but that's true
[02:56] <Tonio_> configuration is a pain, performance are a pain
[02:56] <imbrandon> Tonio_, no i agree, and plan to help you lots in mtv
[02:57] <imbrandon> one of my main goals
[02:57] <Tonio_> k3b is by far better
[02:57] <Jucato> imbrandon: some people (actually just 2 or 3) are complaining that Kubuntu might be doing a GNOME (specific reference to System Settings)
[02:57] <imbrandon> i was just laughing ;)
[02:57] <Tonio_> imbrandon by chance the work will be over at mtv :)
[02:57] <imbrandon> Jucato, you cant please everyone, let them bitch its better than kcontrol , although not perfect ;)
[02:57] <Jucato> (make that System Settings and the KDEMedia)
[02:57] <Tonio_> Jucato: kubuntu is doing a compromise
[02:58] <Tonio_> take the best of kde and good ideas from gnome
[02:58] <Jucato> yeah I know... it's quite tough trying to reason with closed minds, though...
[02:58] <Tonio_> systemsettings UI has been redisigned with the help of el
[02:58] <Tonio_> she is from kde
[02:58] <ryanakca> g'night
[02:58] <Tonio_> and you can be sure kde4 will use the same principle
[02:58] <imbrandon> Jucato, then dont, tell them to use what they are confrotable with ;) they can easly make a shorcut for kcontrol 
[02:58] <Jucato> yeah. this guy's complaining that he can't find the Launch Feedback options in System Settings, and insisting that it has been removed (even if it's still in KControl)
[02:58] <Tonio_> imbrandon yes exactly
[02:59] <Jucato> and another has been complaining about the changes that Sime made. oh well...
[02:59] <Tonio_> Jucato: Sime patches need love, that's true
[02:59] <Tonio_> it is a first shot
[02:59] <Tonio_> that's edgy goal
[02:59] <imbrandon> Jucato, do what i do, dont feed the trolls, if they have positive critisim or feedback great, if its just bitching , ignore it
[02:59] <Jucato> heh
[02:59] <Tonio_> but they are on the good way, and will be improved in the future
[02:59] <Jucato> very hard not to feed trolls... :)
[03:00] <imbrandon> and thats the reason for EDGY , thus the name EDGY , expirments, to get stuff polished for feisty to rock ;)
[03:00] <Tonio_> Jucato: respond this to them :
[03:00] <Tonio_> "if it is just to package kde without any attempt or implementation, kubuntu doesn't have to exist, mandriva is already there, as well as slack or suse"
[03:01] <imbrandon> or debian
[03:01] <Jucato> I have this feeling that if some KDE core devs sort of "praised" or acknowledged these changes (System Settings, KDEMedia, etc.) they'd just shut up...
[03:01] <imbrandon> or better yet, dont respond at all unless its positive critisim or help not just bitching
[03:01] <Tonio_> Jucato: aseigo for example is very pleased of how kubuntu works
[03:02] <Tonio_> of course he doesn't like everything, but thinks there are very good ideas behind this
[03:02] <imbrandon> Jucato, it dont matter if you are joe blow, it should take a kde "developer" to make it "good" thats the whole thing behind fee open source software, ANYONE can improve it
[03:02] <imbrandon> shouldent*
[03:02] <Tonio_> and if they are not happy, they can switch, install slackware and get a perfect untouched kde
[03:02] <Tonio_> ;)
[03:02] <Tonio_> that already exist
[03:02] <imbrandon> and besides sime and riddell are "kde devs'"
[03:03] <Tonio_> they even can fork kubuntu to unpatch it
[03:03] <Jucato> anyway, most of those "complaining" are power users. they feel that things are being dumbed down. My argument is that since they're power users, they'd know a way to go around these new features,like using KControl instead or removing/editing the /.hidden file
[03:03] <Hobbsee> what were the plans with smart?
[03:03] <imbrandon> Jucato, exactly
[03:04] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, there arent any really, packagemanagement needs to be spec'd at mtv
[03:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ahh okay
[03:05] <Jucato> but Adept needs even more loving :P
[04:06] <jjesse> didn't amarok have a first run wizard in the version that came w/ dapper?
[04:06] <jjesse> can't find it in the version that comes ww/ edgy\
[04:07] <Tonio_> Sime: ping ?
[04:07] <imbrandon> first run wizards are disabled by default in all kubuntu apps
[04:07] <jjesse> it wasn't that way in dapper was it?
[04:07] <jjesse> w/ amarok?
[04:07] <imbrandon> yes
[04:08] <jjesse> hmm ok
[04:09] <jjesse> i question that  cause i referenced it in the kubuntu chapter in the offiical ubuntu book
[04:57] <ZeroCool> Riddell: r u in
[04:59] <ZeroCool> anyone home..
[05:01] <imbrandon> wasup ZeroCool
[05:01] <imbrandon> ?
[05:03] <ZeroCool> notice another bug, with edgy, (not the RC) but what I'm running, 6.10 xine is not running
[05:05] <Hobbsee> ZeroCool: uh, why should xine be running?
[05:05] <ZeroCool> have several apps that are using it, like kaffeine, and kmplayer
[05:05] <ZeroCool> went to play some music, and yes... can't
[05:06] <imbrandon> what kinda of music, with what player and what was the error
[05:06] <imbrandon> "dosent work" is kinda hard to debug
[05:06] <ZeroCool> however, noatun could
[05:06] <ZeroCool> .flac file
[05:06] <imbrandon> do you have libxine-extracodecs installed ?
[05:07] <ZeroCool> checking
[05:07] <imbrandon> ZeroCool, " sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs "
[05:07] <ZeroCool> yes
[05:07] <ZeroCool> installed
[05:07] <imbrandon> and you restarted amaarok after it was installed ?
[05:08] <ZeroCool> amarok can play just fine..
[05:08] <ZeroCool> its kaffeine and kmplayer
[05:08] <ZeroCool> just sit there acting stuiped
[05:08] <imbrandon> ahh ok, amarok is the music player in kubuntu
[05:08] <ZeroCool> noatun can play it
[05:08] <imbrandon> but if amarok can play it xine is working
[05:08] <ZeroCool> ?
[05:08] <imbrandon> amarok uses xine
[05:09] <ZeroCool> odd
[05:09] <ZeroCool> sure
[05:10] <ZeroCool> okay I check, then why would not kaffeine, or kmplayer handle it..??
[05:10] <ZeroCool> is there something not in sync
[05:11] <ZeroCool> because, if all three apps are using xine, then all three should be able to play it.
[05:13] <ZeroCool> hello
[05:14] <Hobbsee> kaffiene requres a different package to play mp3's, last i knew
[05:14] <Hobbsee> !mp3
[05:14] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:15] <ZeroCool> okay, but this is a .flac file
[05:16] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  perhaps not
[05:17] <ZeroCool> what I saying, if amarok, and kaffeine, and kmplayer are using the xine engine.. 
[05:17] <ZeroCool> they should all be able to play that song file
[05:17] <ZeroCool> Right?
[05:18] <ZeroCool> what I'm seeing a is a blur between music and video and players, kaffeine is trying to cross the gap, and do both ( as a multi-media player)
[05:18] <ZeroCool> is this not correct ?
[05:19] <ZeroCool> instead of having several players..
[05:30] <imbrandon> ZeroCool, correct but this will be fixed in feisty
[05:30] <imbrandon> e.g. kaffeine wont play music
[05:30] <imbrandon> amarok is the music app
[05:30] <imbrandon> personaly if amarok plays your .flac fine , i wouldent worry about it much
[05:31] <imbrandon> and to answer about xine and players, each app uses it diffrently so no
[05:31] <imbrandon> if it plays in xine in one dosent mean it will in all
[08:17] <Tonio_> imbrandon: amarok integration to the action chooser popup is finished and works with Sime's patches.
[08:17] <Tonio_> imbrandon: kaffeine patches are done too... the only thing to be done now is k3b (partly works at the moment)
[08:17] <Tonio_> now -> bed, since it is 8 am in france..... ;)
[08:18] <imbrandon> Tonio_, great, gnight
[08:18] <Jucato> heh
[08:18] <Jucato> night Tonio_ :)
[08:18] <Sime> Tonio_: good morning!
[08:18] <Tonio_> Sime: bah.....
[08:18] <imbrandon> lol
[08:18] <Sime> I just got up.
[08:18] <Tonio_> Sime: ho, I have done the package but didn't include the last patches version
[08:18] <Sime> huh?
[08:19] <Jucato> so France is -6 hours from me. :)
[08:19] <Tonio_> I took the previous one, since it is a konqueror issue, and I have a good workarround with kds
[08:19] <Tonio_> to avoid the crash
[08:19] <Sime> we'll have to explain this all to Riddell.
[08:19] <Tonio_> I configured konqueror to preload at kde start and always maintain 1 preload version
[08:19] <Sime> give him the option.
[08:19] <Sime> ok
[08:19] <Sime> that is not so bad. ;)
[08:20] <Tonio_> Sime: yes, I have kdebase and kds packages ready
[08:20] <Sime> cool
[08:20] <Tonio_> Sime: I prefer to include correct patches instead of tricky ones to workarround a konq bug
[08:20] <Tonio_> Sime: better you remove the latest patches from the wiki page then....
[08:20] <Sime> but people who upgrade probably won't get the new setting automatically.
[08:21] <Tonio_> Sime: unless they already set those parameters manually, they will
[08:21] <Tonio_> because the profile file is merged with kds one
[08:21] <Tonio_> so if the profile file doesn't have anything set, it'll be merged
[08:21] <Sime> for everyone?
[08:21] <Tonio_> yup
[08:22] <Sime> I just learnt something
[08:22] <Tonio_> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135999
[08:22] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 135999 in general "Konqueror segfault with audiocd:/" [Crash,Unconfirmed]  
[08:22] <Tonio_> if you could confirm this, would be cool aswell :)
[08:22] <Tonio_> okay now bedtime !
[08:23] <Tonio_> Sime: nex patches will have an issue -> what if there are 2 drives ?
[08:24] <Tonio_> Sime: old patches are better since they put the device as a parameter...
[08:24] <Tonio_> Sime: ho and thanks for the kdcop thing :) that helped for amarok
[08:24] <Tonio_> amarok --cdplay `dcop kded mediamanager fullList | grep -B1 $DEVICE | head -n1`
[08:24] <Sime> I know
[08:24] <Tonio_> hehe :)
[08:24] <Tonio_> this is how I extract the device on your icon with the v9 patch, works nice
[11:06] <seaLne> did we ever come up with a solution to it being impossible to reuse cdrws?
[11:07] <seaLne> (impossible for a normal user)
[11:45] <seaLne> has anyone tried to use k3b recently?
[11:46] <seaLne> /dev/sg0 is root:root rather than cdrom for me
[11:51] <imbrandon> seaLne, yea i just burned a RC cd
[11:51] <imbrandon> a few hours ago
[11:52] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~$ ls -l /dev/hdc
[11:52] <imbrandon> brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 2006-10-16 06:46 /dev/hdc
[11:52] <seaLne> i burnt a dvd, earlier then rebooted and can't burn anything now
[11:52] <imbrandon> but k3b shoudl start with kdesu iirc
[11:52] <seaLne> why?
[11:52] <sebas> k3b doesn't need root privs
[11:52] <seaLne> the devices are supposed to be writable
[11:53] <imbrandon> ahh yea by the cdrom group probably
[11:53] <seaLne> yep
[11:53] <seaLne> sebas: what perms do you have on sg0?
[11:53] <imbrandon> anyhow i just checked on my laptop too, its fine there also
[11:54] <sebas> crw-rw---- 1 root root 21, 0 Aug 31 13:40 /dev/sg0
[11:54] <seaLne> imbrandon: sg0?
[11:54] <sebas> This is dapper, still.
[11:54] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~$ ls -l /dev/sg0
[11:54] <imbrandon> crw-rw---- 1 root root 21, 0 2006-10-16 11:47 /dev/sg0
[11:57] <seaLne> so i don't see how cdrecord could write to it
[11:57] <imbrandon> it did but it write to /dev/hdc ( my burner iirc ) why would it write to sg0
[11:57] <seaLne> http://rafb.net/paste/results/BqHE4u53.html
[12:01] <seaLne> what does k3b -> settings -> devices say your device is called?
[12:02] <seaLne> i have scd0
[12:02] <imbrandon>  /dev/hdc
[12:03] <seaLne> could you do me a favour and delete all your k3b settings then check again?
[12:03] <imbrandon> seaLne, http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss111.png
[12:04] <imbrandon> sure but this install is only about 2 hours old
[12:04] <imbrandon> as i said i used it to burn an RC disk heh
[12:05] <Jucato> ooh all default looks :)
[12:19] <seaLne> imbrandon: ok just tested on a fresh rc install and it is using hdd and is fine...
[12:19] <imbrandon> great
[12:20] <seaLne> dosen't explain why i can't :-/
[12:23] <seaLne> even removing my settings i still get scd0
[01:18] <fabo> Riddell: is it possible to have a ktorrent dfsg modified version ?
[01:18] <Tm_T> I just found best support channel ever, there's chanserv with me.
[01:18] <Tm_T> I wonder if he does help me... :p
[01:18] <apokryphos> ChanServ is certainly a she
[01:18] <Riddell> fabo: what's not free about it?
[01:18] <fabo> Riddell: geoip stuff
[01:18] <Riddell> what licence is that under?
[01:19] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: you can try
[01:20] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: Trust me I am trying. =)
[01:20] <Tm_T> Funny thing is, it even gives me rules when I join in...
[01:20] <Tm_T> Looks like chanserv is familyguy afterall. ;)
[01:21] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: do the rules state that the channel is an auto-kline one, then go bye?
[01:21] <fabo> Riddell: open data license : www.maxmind.com/download/geoip/database/LICENSE.txt
[01:21] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: Er, chanserv is only op there ;(
[01:21] <Hobbsee> awwww
[01:22] <fabo> Riddell: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/06/msg00093.html
[01:22] <fabo> Riddell: database file and country flags are affected
[01:22] <fabo> ktorrent-2.0.3/plugins/infowidget/geoip/GeoIP-LICENSE.txt
[01:23] <fabo> ktorrent-2.0.3/plugins/infowidget/geoip/FLAGS_LICENCE
[01:24] <Riddell> fabo: ye gods
[01:26] <fabo> Riddell: if it is possible, just tell me. Then you can do it or if you don't have time, tell me too and i'll prepare one
[01:28] <Riddell> fabo: that flags licence is especially evil
[01:29] <fabo> Riddell: i talked with upstream some time ago and he introduced a nogeoip flag at build time
[01:30] <fabo> Riddell: but he prefer to keep geoip stuff for people not interested in licenses ...
[01:30] <Riddell> for people who don't mind blatant copyright infringement
[01:31] <Riddell> it's not like there aren't free flag images out there
[01:36] <fabo> Riddell: what is your proposal ?
[01:36] <Riddell> hmm, we don't build with   --enable-geoip Enables GeoIP database installation  but the geoip files are installed
[01:36] <fabo> Riddell: in debian package changelog ->   * built with GeoIP support enabled, but removed the database file
[01:36] <fabo>        and country flags due to licensing restrictions (see README.Debian)
[01:36] <Riddell> so debian already has a dfsg version?
[01:36] <fabo> yes but outdated, it is 2.0.2
[01:38] <Riddell> so why build with it enabled?
[01:38] <mhb> good afternoon
[01:39] <fabo> Riddell: joel (debian maintainer) decides to built it like that ...
[01:39] <Riddell> I know, I just don't understand why to enable it when the files are no longer there
[01:39] <fabo> Riddell: i mailed him about the option but he seems to have uploaded the package without using it
[01:41] <fabo> Riddell: maybe because i sended him each week a mail for updating ktorrent :p
[01:41] <Riddell> fabo: which option?
[01:41] <fabo> since june :)
[01:41] <fabo> --enable-geoip
[01:42] <Riddell> he has used --enable-geoip, that's what I don't understand
[01:43] <fabo> Riddell: i can't really answer to that. ask him
[01:43] <fabo> maybe take a look at the README
[01:44] <fabo> The binary package *is* built to support it
[01:44] <fabo> however (the API is GPL, but data used from ARIN to generate the data files
[01:44] <fabo> is *not* DFSG compliant).
[01:44] <fabo> If you wish to use the GeoIP support, there are free
[01:44] <fabo> databases made available at the following URL ...
[01:45] <Riddell> fabo: so sounds like previously the data was installed but the program couldn't use it, now the program can use it but you have to download manually
[01:45] <fabo> Riddell: he proposed to download the database from website
[01:46] <Riddell> I'll ask the ubuntu release team if they care about this
[01:46] <fabo> ok
[02:09] <danimo> Riddell: now that qt 4.2 is in edgy, can we either update qt-4.2-kdecopy or get rid of it?
[02:11] <Riddell> danimo: I was minded to keep it incase we needed to use it in feisty
[02:13] <danimo> ok
[02:13] <danimo> Riddell: is threre a featureplan for feisty already?
[02:13] <Riddell> nope
[02:13] <Riddell> but we're open to suggestions
[02:13] <danimo> ok
[02:14] <Hobbsee> and learning how to spell
[02:14] <Hobbsee> oh damn.  it is feisty.
[02:14] <imbrandon> lol
[02:15] <Hobbsee> that so doesnt look right
[02:18] <danimo> for kubuntu it's probably more suitable for endusers than dapper
[02:18] <danimo> too bad I managed to break device mounting on my system
[02:20] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:20] <Hobbsee> danimo: you broke it!  bad danimo!
[02:22] <Riddell> fabo: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/ktorrent.debdiff
[02:22] <Riddell> I presume 2.0.3+dfsg1-0ubuntu1 is larger than 2.0.3-0ubuntu1
[02:25] <Riddell> dpkg --compare-versions 2.0.3-0ubuntu1 lt 2.0.3+dfsg1-0ubuntu1  says it is
[02:26] <imbrandon> hum i need the edgy xubuntu,edubuntu,ubuntu wallpapers
[02:26] <imbrandon> are they in a package i can grap ? or somewhere on the web
[02:26] <Hobbsee> $distro-artwork ?
[02:27] <apokryphos> kde has a kdewallpapers; /me checks if the others do too
[02:28] <Riddell> there's an edubuntu-artwork and xubuntu-artwork
[02:28] <apokryphos> don't seem too, they're likely in what Hobbsee suggested
[02:28] <Riddell> actually I think xubuntu-artwork is for usplash only
[02:28] <apokryphos> s/too/to/
[02:28] <Riddell> need to ask dholbach where ubuntu wallpaper is these days
[02:28] <imbrandon> gah okies
[02:28] <apokryphos> hm, or just empty http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=xubuntu-artwork&searchmode=filelist&case=insensitive&version=dapper&arch=i386 
[02:30] <apokryphos> ah, there's an edgy-wallpapers, edy-community-wallpapers
[02:30] <imbrandon> kwwii, ping
[02:35] <imbrandon> kwwii, wanna guiney pig the new art.ubuntu.com site before i poke sabdfl ?
[02:35] <imbrandon> brb more mt dew
[02:35] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: Ok, I solved my problem without help from chanserv, looks like Celestia doesn't like g++ newer than 3.4 :p
[02:35] <danimo> Hobbsee: bah, wasn't me!
[02:35] <danimo> Hobbsee: but it would be helpful if somebody could lend me a hand on that issue
[02:35] <danimo> Hobbsee: any clue who knows the hal stuff?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> danimo: sure sure, that's what they all say....
[02:35] <Hobbsee> danimo: anyone but me.  i'd poke Riddell 
[02:35] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: ahhh.  tell it to update
[02:36] <danimo> Riddell: can you help me?
[02:52] <Riddell> danimo: what's up?
[02:56] <danimo> Riddell: I wanted to find out why usb mounting doesn't work
[02:56] <danimo> Riddell: I installed my system via debbootstrap, and I assume something is missing because of that
[02:56] <Riddell> danimo: edgy or dapper?
[02:57] <danimo> Riddell: edgy
[02:57] <Riddell> you need libhal and dbus and hal and a running system dbus
[02:57] <danimo> Riddell: the kded dialog appears, but if I click "ok", it just tells "unknown url"
[02:57] <danimo> Riddell: ack, up and running
[02:57] <Riddell> does it say what the URL is?
[03:01] <danimo> Riddell: nope
[03:02] <Riddell> danimo: do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[03:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: should k-d depend on ubuntu-base?
[03:03] <Hobbsee> er, ubuntu-minimal?
[03:04] <Riddell> Hobbsee: seems not to
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: indeed.  at this point, im asking if it should
[03:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: seems we do want ubuntu-minimal, yes, else you dont necessarily get upstart installed.
[03:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I generally just trust kamion on these matters
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the same thing was being discussed w.r.t ubuntu-desktop, with the possibility of getting no sysvinit or upstart
[03:10] <kwwii> imbrandon: let's see it!
[03:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: then we'll follow what they do
[03:12] <imbrandon> kwwii, hehe ok one sec, lemme sync one last thing
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hmmm okay, they havent changed it yet
[03:14] <imbrandon> kwwii, http://art-staging.ubuntu.com/  ( seems to be really slow right now, dunno if thats becouse of the system its on or the bandwidth to the DC )
[03:14] <imbrandon> kwwii, upload an image or two and test it out
[03:14] <kwwii> I'll do that
[03:14] <kwwii> once it opens :p
[03:14] <imbrandon> thanks ;)
[03:14] <imbrandon> yea i'm thinking the DC computers are really bogged down for some reason
[03:15] <imbrandon> dunno why its so slow, only started doing that the last 1hour or so
[03:16] <kwwii> I like the bg image :-) nice
[03:17] <apokryphos> so what ever did happen with smart? Has it been postponed or its more major implementation been cancelled?
[03:17] <imbrandon> ;P i dident wanna use the old brown
[03:17] <imbrandon> since its for all the deritives
[03:17] <danimo> Riddell: yes
[03:18] <danimo> Riddell: kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-minimal are installed
[03:18] <Riddell> danimo: I'm out of ideas then
[03:19] <Riddell> mhb: is there a bug report for your hwdb strings issue?
[03:19] <danimo> Riddell: is there a diagramm on the process that could help me debugging this issue?
[03:20] <danimo> Riddell: I dislike the idea of reinstalling my production system
[03:23] <Riddell> danimo: not that I know of
[03:28] <kwwii> imbrandon: created an account, logged in, uploading now
[03:28] <imbrandon> cool
[03:28] <kwwii> imbrandon: the upload interface is amazing
[03:28] <imbrandon> yea tons of options
[03:29] <imbrandon> it auto scales the images too and makes 
[03:29] <kwwii> I read that
[03:29] <imbrandon> diffrent sized wallpapers like you upload 1600x1200 and it make 800x600 1024x768 etc
[03:29] <imbrandon> and the thumbnail
[03:30] <kwwii> hehe, cool
[03:30] <kwwii> so is the site only for wallpapers?
[03:32] <imbrandon> it will handle any images and sounds 
[03:32] <imbrandon> but geared for wallpaper
[03:32] <kwwii> cool
[03:32] <kwwii> the file uploaded ok
[03:32] <kwwii> it is really slow though
[03:34] <imbrandon> yea thats the computer its on, they gave me a crappy staging site to work with heh
[03:34] <imbrandon> it seems
[03:34] <imbrandon> sabdfl is in priv now looking it over also ( but he's on a call or something too at the same time so kinda slow to respond )
[03:35] <imbrandon> hopefully we can make this liveish by the end of the weekend ( i hope )
[03:35] <imbrandon> i would love for this to have art ready for the edgy release
[03:35] <imbrandon> ( would stifle some of the stuff on the art -ML about the community artwork too )
[03:36] <kwwii> hehe
[03:36] <kwwii> it would be a better forum than a wiki to really look at different kind of artwork
[03:37] <imbrandon> yea
[03:45] <imbrandon> kwwii, add a comment to your image , just to test the commenting system
[03:45] <imbrandon> i dunno if you get notification of it or not
[03:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[03:46] <Riddell> hi Tonio_ 
[03:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: hi :) I have packages ready with Sime patches, should we ask on devel for upload ? I have a kds upload to workarround the kde bug with konqueror and audiocde urls too
[03:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: I saw an update to the wiki page by simon yesterday, does that mean there's even more patches?
[03:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: no I didn't use those patche, but the previous version
[03:48] <Tonio_> in fact the latest update was to workarround a konqueror bug, but I have another way to workarround with kds
[03:48] <Tonio_> I reported the bug, and added the trik in kds with the previous version of the patches
[03:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: your workaround looks to be turning on preloading in konqueror
[03:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes
[03:49] <Riddell> that's too big a change without us having time to test it
[03:49] <Tonio_> preloading and keep one session everytime
[03:49] <Riddell> it also adds instability
[03:49] <kwwii> imbrandon: how does one add something to the "kubuntu" album? or is that only for official kubuntu stuff which is included in the release?
[03:50] <Tonio_> what adds instability ? Sime's patches ?
[03:50] <imbrandon> only offical stuff was my plan
[03:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point is what is the worst, something that doesn't work at all or something that causes a konq crash on very rare occasions ? ;)
[03:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: if we release without audiocd support, lots of people will complain that, honnestly
[03:52] <kwwii> imbrandon: might want to add a "best of community" or "most often viewed from community" or even just a "random community" pic next to those, so that one knows that the community stuff is there
[03:53] <imbrandon> yea there is a random community on the right , but it needs to be prominate
[03:53] <imbrandon> yea
[03:53] <imbrandon> s/right/left
[03:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: what to do then ? don't change anything and release as it is ?
[03:55] <kwwii> imbrandon: to be honest, the slowness of the machine makes it hard to really test :8
[03:55] <kwwii> :(
[03:55] <imbrandon> yea its discouraging
[03:56] <kwwii> I assume that is just an issue with the staging server
[03:56] <kwwii> assume=hope
[03:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: I really don't want to change the way we load konqueror at this stage
[03:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: and there's kaudiocreator for novices and people who know what they're doing can type audiocd:/ themselves
[03:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, so you would suggest to discard those uploads for edgy+1 ?
[03:58] <imbrandon> kwwii, yea i'm doing a install on my imbrandon.com to make sure
[03:58] <imbrandon> but i'm pretty positive it is
[03:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: or do we include the latest patch, and keep the old ones for fiesty ?
[03:59] <Tonio_> that's another possibility
[04:00] <Riddell> Tonio_: we could include the latest patch, if you can convince the release team to let them in
[04:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, but the problem with latest patches if that they'll cause issues for people using 2 cd drives.....
[04:00] <Tonio_> that's why I searched another workarround.....
[04:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: but as long as kaudiocreator is still there, maybe we can release as it is...
[04:01] <Riddell> I think that would be easiest
[04:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, let's focus on fiesty then...
[04:06] <imbrandon> kwwii, yea its definately the server , i'm downloading a copy to upload to my server and its only going at 233B/s
[04:06] <imbrandon> LOL
[04:12] <kwwii> hehe
[04:13] <imbrandon> heya el
[04:14] <Tonio_> hi el
[04:15] <el> hi imbrandon, hey Tonio_ 
[04:23] <danimo> heya el!
[04:27] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:38] <Tonio_> let's clean my ubuntu box....
[04:38] <Tonio_> sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:38] <Tonio_> I'm not affraid hehe :)
[04:40] <Hobbsee> hey el :)
[04:41] <el> heya Hobbsee :)
[05:40] <Tonio_> imbrandon: http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/capture5.png
[05:40] <imbrandon> rockin
[05:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: what are we looking at?
[05:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: kaffeine without audio
[05:41] <imbrandon> Riddell, no more audio in kaffeine 
[05:41] <Riddell> mmm, interesting
[05:41] <Tonio_> imbrandon: still have to remove the servicemenus
[05:41] <Riddell> might get a few complaints about that
[05:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know, as we did with kcontrol removal
[05:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: people will get used to it, and new users will get simplicity
[05:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's just for testing, we need to debate that at uds, that's why I'm preparing the stuff
[05:42] <imbrandon> rather than trying to play an audio cd ( that is broke ) and file a bug
[05:43] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ah, and look at this :
[05:43] <ubotu> Announcement from my owner (Seveas): TheFridge
[05:43] <fabo> Riddell: Qt 3.3.7, 4.1.5 and 4.2.1 Now Available
[05:44] <fabo> security update
[05:44] <Riddell> fabo: erk
[05:44] <Tonio_> imbrandon: http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/capture6.png
[05:44] <Riddell> fabo: mm, if it's just that patch then that's on my todo for today
[05:44] <fabo> ok
[05:44] <Riddell> maybe I should bump it up my todo
[05:45] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i cant read french ;)
[05:46] <Tonio_> imbrandon: look at the icons.... amarok and k3b are in the right click menu
[05:46] <imbrandon> ahh 
[05:47] <Tonio_> amarok is fully implemented, k3b needs to be patched yet
[05:48] <imbrandon> wow i learned something crazy today, kwwii newz2000 ( canonical webmaster ) jane siber and me are all from the same part of the country ( ok that was silly but i'm tired )
[05:48] <Jucato> lol
[05:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon: lol
[05:49] <kwwii> imbrandon: we are all rednecks :p
[05:49] <imbrandon> hahaha yea
[05:50] <imbrandon> makes an awesom ubuntu-midwest loco team lineup though ( even if two of you can only be honorary members lol )
[05:50] <imbrandon> kwwii, ^
[05:51] <kwwii> hehe
[05:52] <Tonio_> imbrandon: http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/capture7.png
[05:52] <Tonio_> imbrandon: final target, which is in my opinion by far cleaner than the current context menu
[05:52] <Tonio_> 2 actions -> 2 entries
[05:52] <Tonio_> using the most adapted softwares
[05:52] <imbrandon> Tonio_, yup, looks great, i agree
[05:53] <Riddell> fabo: where did you find the new qt releases?
[05:54] <Tonio_> bah I need to remove kmplayer mimetypes for context menus too.....
[05:54] <imbrandon> Riddell, btw i did a fresh install of Kubutnu RC on my ppc lappy last night, everything went perfect as far as i can tell just fyi
[05:54] <Tonio_> on audiofiles
[05:56] <Riddell> imbrandon: yay!
[05:58] <mhb> Riddell: so what will happen with the hwdb-kde translations (since it's after langpack deadline)?
[05:59] <Riddell> mhb: I uploaded a fix, it's not been accepted yet
[05:59] <mhb> Riddell: ok
[06:00] <mhb> Riddell: great ... what about the other one (systemsettings failed to load .mo) ?
[06:01] <Riddell> mhb: still working on that
[06:01] <Riddell> but qt security now takes priority
[06:02] <mhb> ok
[06:02] <mhb> I'm sure you'll manage to fix that before the final release
[06:02] <Riddell> you have such faith in me :)
[06:04] <mhb> Riddell: yes, I *really* don't want to explain to all the Czech Kubuntu users why keyboard is labeled "Users&Groups"
[06:05] <mhb> :o)
[06:06] <fabo> Riddell: informed by trolltech mailing list and http://www.trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2006-10-19.5434451733
[06:08] <Riddell> fabo: hmm, not the best of descriptions
[06:10] <fabo> Riddell: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=394192
[06:11] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 394192 in libqt4-core "Security:  integer overflow in pixmap handling (CVE-2006-4811)" [Critical,Open]  
[07:13] <Tonio_> toma: ping ?
[07:18] <Tonio_> Lure: ping ?
[07:18] <Lure> Tonio_: pong
[07:19] <toma> Tonio_: hi
[07:19] <Tonio_> hey :)
[07:19] <Tonio_> I may need help concerning a k3b patch...
[07:20] <Tonio_> here is the idea : adding a command line option to be able to do k3b --device /dev/scd0 for example
[07:20] <Tonio_> I have been able to add the option in the code, but I don't find the method to call to to go the device... and k3b code isn't that simple :)
[07:21] <Tonio_> anyone of you fancy helping me ?
[07:21] <Lure> Tonio_: I can download code...
[07:21] <Tonio_> Lure: okay
[07:21] <toma> Tonio_: i lack time this evening
[07:21] <Lure> Tonio_: what action would you like to perform?
[07:22] <Tonio_> Lure: you mean ?
[07:22] <Tonio_> toma: no pb
[07:22] <Tonio_> Lure: well the idea is that if you open a device directly, k3b opens with the good mode selected (can be a dvd or an audiocd)
[07:22] <Lure> what should this command line option do? just select the appropriate writer or perform some action?
[07:22] <Tonio_> that works when you click on the cd device in k3b UI
[07:22] <Tonio_> I'll like to be able to do the same with a command line
[07:23] <Lure> Tonio_: so multiple writer support?
[07:23] <Tonio_> Lure: this command line should jsut open k3b on the device
[07:23] <Tonio_> nothing more
[07:23] <Tonio_> k3b is able to choose the good context depending what the device is
[07:23] <Tonio_> Lure: bah RC release :)
[07:24] <Tonio_> Lure: want a dcc of the package ? that'll be better
[07:24] <Tonio_> Lure: dcc sent, you have to accept :)
[07:25] <toma> btw, except for the xorg-ati driver, the upgrade from dapper to edgy went flawless! great work guys!
[07:25] <Lure> Tonio_: much better ;-)
[07:25] <Tonio_> Lure: so the idea is just to reproduce the call done when you click on a media device
[07:25] <Tonio_> that calls something, I would like to do the same call with the shell...
[07:25] <Tonio_> there is no dcop call possible, I already checked.....
[07:26] <Tonio_> should be hard but I'm a bit lost in the code :)
[07:28] <Tonio_> Lure: looks like it is in ./src/k3bdirview.cpp
[07:28] <Lure> Tonio_: setWriterDevice() looks goot candidate
[07:29] <Tonio_> Lure: omg, how did you find so fast ? ;)
[07:29] <Tonio_> Lure: Writer ? can be a simple cd drive
[07:29] <Lure> grep -i device * 
[07:29] <Lure> then search for obvious canddiates ;-)
[07:29] <Tonio_> Lure: not sure that's the good one but we can check
[07:30] <Lure> when do you need CD device?
[07:30] <Tonio_> Lure: that's for audiocd ripping
[07:30] <Lure> oh, for ripping
[07:30] <Tonio_> when you open a device in k3b, the context depends on the menu
[07:30] <Tonio_> s/menu/content
[07:30] <Tonio_> so the idea is to be able to call k3b with any kind of device
[07:31] <Tonio_> can be done by clicking, should be possible in command line though :)
[07:31] <Lure> Tonio_: where do you choose device? (I only have one on laptop though)
[07:31] <Tonio_> Lure: click on it :)
[07:32] <Tonio_> when you click on the device, and a cd is in, k3b sets the context depending of the cd content
[07:32] <Tonio_> I would just like to reproduce the same click but with a command line
[07:32] <Lure> Tonio_: true - I always use shortcuts at bottom
[07:33] <Lure> will try on my desktop with two devices
[07:33] <Tonio_> Lure: I don't think that's necessary :)
[07:34] <Tonio_> Lure: We only need to find what is called when we click on a device
[07:34] <Tonio_> KAction* actionLoad = new KAction( i18n("L&oad"), "", 0, this, SLOT(slotLoadDisk())
[07:34] <Tonio_> interesting
[07:35] <Lure> Tonio_: there is also setDevice()
[07:35] <Tonio_> Lure: yeah just seen that, I'm investigating
[07:36] <Lure> Tonio_: K3bDirView::slotDiskInfoReady is interesting - here decision is made what to do depending on type
[07:36] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, but that'll be done automatically, I need the "before" thing :)
[07:37] <Tonio_> Lure: just found a bug hehe, "load" ejects and "eject" loads........ stupid :)
[07:37] <Tonio_> maybe that's just me
[07:39] <Tonio_> lure m_noViewView->setDevice( dev ) seems what I need
[07:40] <Lure> Tonio_: showDevice is interesting: it triggers detect disk info, which then does type stuff
[07:40] <Lure> Tonio_: it is also public method so you can call from outside
[07:41] <Lure> setDevice only sets devices, but does not perform any action on it
[07:43] <instructor> Kopete doesn't connect on RC?
[07:56] <Tonio_> Lure_: setDevice is defined 30 times in .h files......
[07:56] <Tonio_> dunno which one to use
[07:57] <Lure_> Tonio_: use K3bDirView::showDevice or K3bDirView::showDiskInfo
[07:58] <Lure_> they call appropriate setDevice() in slotDetectDiskInfo
[07:58] <Tonio_> Lure_: yeah but they don't do what I want
[07:58] <Lure_> Tonio_: why not?
[07:58] <instructor> Is it true that kopete doesn't work in RC?
[07:59] <Lure_> they open the apporpriate device
[07:59] <Tonio_> Lure_: yes but they do more
[07:59] <abattoir> instructor: it works fine here
[07:59] <Tonio_> I just need to open it, not displaying infos
[07:59] <Lure_> instructor: works for me
[07:59] <instructor> OK 
[07:59] <Tonio_> Lure_: unless I missunderstand you....
[07:59] <instructor> Lure_: Ok jumping to RC then :)
[08:00] <Lure_> Tonio_: you said that you want the same as clicking on disk - and this is what it does
[08:00] <Tonio_> Lure_: showDevice may, yes, but showDiskInfo will de more.....
[08:00] <Tonio_> let's try with showDevice
[08:00] <instructor> Should I dist-upgrade from the CLI or is adept ok?
[08:00] <Lure_> Tonio_: exactrly - it is up to you what is better
[08:01] <Lure_> instructor: from dapper?
[08:01] <instructor> From Beta 2
[08:01] <Lure_> instructor: adept should be fine
[08:03] <Riddell> instructor: commend line
[08:03] <Riddell> Lure_: adept seems to have problems
[08:04] <Lure_> Riddell: really? dist-upgrade?
[08:05] <instructor> Riddell: Kill KDE or adist-upgrade from tty1 should be sufficient?
[08:09] <nixternal> argh konversation + mass amount of channels == not good at all
[08:09] <instructor> nixternal:  :)
[08:09] <instructor> Excess Flood?
[08:09] <nixternal> i have to manually /who each channel
[08:09] <nixternal> ya
[08:09] <nixternal> i had to shut off the /who in settings just to connect
[08:09] <instructor> Needs scripting eh?
[08:09] <nixternal> looks like it, or upstream fixing
[08:09] <nixternal> i myself am all for upstream fixing
[08:10] <nixternal> creating scripts to fix issues is to much like our mortal enemy
[08:10] <nixternal> you can only shore up the holes so much, before the structure gets weak and crumbles
[08:10] <instructor> Oh I meant that konversation needs scripting support so that you can have a random delay for a /who when you connect
[08:11] <nixternal> that would work
[08:11] <nixternal> is there a way to do a silent who?
[08:12] <instructor> Oh Why isn't kdesud working?
[08:13] <Tonio_> :q!
[08:13] <Tonio_> oups
[08:13] <instructor> Heehee
[08:14] <Riddell> instructor: just leave it and it'll happily kill itself
[08:15] <instructor> Riddell: I think it does that before I start the machine
[08:15] <instructor> Isn't the point of it to keep the password for kdesu for a short time
[08:15] <instructor> Doesn't work at all with me
[08:27] <n8k99> help me find out why my sound keeps dying
[08:27] <n8k99> please
[08:27] <instructor> n8k99: Have you asked in #kubuntu ?
[08:28] <n8k99> is #kubuntu supporting edgy?
[08:29] <instructor> no that's #ubuntu+1
[08:29] <n8k99> thanks
[09:21] <nixternal> imbrandon: ping?
[09:47] <ZeroCool> Riddell: when are they going to fix the Monitor & Display , User Management and Disk & Filesystem module CAN'T load bug?
[09:47] <Riddell> ZeroCool: I can't recreate it so I can't fix it
[09:47] <ZeroCool> its post on launch pad..
[09:48] <ZeroCool> some say its a python issue
[09:49] <ZeroCool> Riddell: do you have just the distro (installed) software install on your test machine
[09:50] <Riddell> ZeroCool: I have edgy on my machines yes
[09:50] <ZeroCool> not what I meant, is it a virgin system only
[09:51] <ZeroCool> or is a install all KDE apps, and see where it breaks...
[09:51] <mhb> ZeroCool: is it hardware-specific?
[09:51] <mhb> (the bug)
[09:51] <ZeroCool> well, I back down from the 64bit version (too buggy ) few bugs on the 32bit ver
[09:51] <Riddell> mhb: I doubt it, it'll be something breaking with system settings/kdesu+sudo/libpythonise
[09:52] <Riddell> ZeroCool: it was reinstalled for rc testing yesterday
[09:52] <ZeroCool> 32bit runs faster
[09:52] <mhb> Riddell: well it could be 64bit specific,that's common
[09:52] <ZeroCool> what was
[09:52] <ZeroCool> I run 32bit only
[09:52] <mhb> ZeroCool: really?
[09:52] <ZeroCool> yes
[09:52] <ZeroCool> 64bit too buggy
[09:53] <mhb> ZeroCool: well I'm going to have a running virgin system in a few minutes ... I can check it
[09:53] <mhb> ZeroCool: bug number?
[09:53] <ZeroCool> cool
[09:53] <ZeroCool> how do I find it by my email address on launch pad
[09:54] <mhb> ZeroCool: if you're logged in, click on your name in the top right corner
[09:54] <ZeroCool> they should have a menu selection item, when you login its hightlighted all the bugs sent in
[09:54] <mhb> ZeroCool: then choose Bugs on the left menu
[09:54] <ZeroCool> okay trying
[09:55] <mhb> ZeroCool: and then choose "Reported" on the top left menu
[09:56] <ZeroCool> okay, I in the main menu "tracking system"
[09:57] <ZeroCool> here is the link: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135725
[09:57] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 135725 in general "Monitor & Display Module can't load" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[09:57] <ZeroCool> please note: its also effects uers management, disk & fileystem module as well.
[09:58] <ZeroCool> running kubuntu edgy on a AMD64 bit 4000+ laptop with ATI X600 1.0GB RAM ( running kubuntu 32bit)
[09:59] <ZeroCool> Riddell: please note: I installed KDE Multimedia, KDE Graphics, KDE Utilities, Koffice, KDE Desktop extras.... wanted to try all the apps... then dump the ones, I did not like
[10:00] <Riddell> ZeroCool: you think it broke after installing apps?
[10:00] <ZeroCool> YES>>> somewhere turning the process..
[10:00] <ZeroCool> something may of have gotten overwritten
[10:00] <ZeroCool> that when I have some said to re-install python
[10:01] <ZeroCool> first remove all, then re-install
[10:01] <nixternal_> imbrandon: you around?
[10:01] <nixternal_> konversation has a nasty connect bug that causes excess floods. psn just released a fix to the channel.cpp
[10:03] <ZeroCool> Riddell: also did all my updates, as usually...  notice that the network connection goes sleep, like the other night in IRC, saw the user list disappear  
[10:04] <ZeroCool> then did a ping to ibm.com, could not reach them..
[10:04] <ZeroCool> re-set the linksys router, and rebooted.. all fine again
[10:05] <mhb> Riddell: is there a list of packages that someone suggests for inclusion in the CD?
[10:06] <mhb> Riddell: I know I'm translator-centric but I'd like to include Kdict in the next one (Ubuntu has a similar tool too)
[10:07] <ZeroCool> Riddell: please also note: the fonts are much smaller when accessing the system setting..
[10:09] <fdoving> mhb: i like 'dict word' in the konqueror address line :)
[10:09] <fdoving> or in the 'Run Command' (alt+f2) dialog.
[10:09] <mhb> kwwii: is the CD boot splash going to get a new Edgy splash? This one looks "dappery" - http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/scaled/Kubuntu%206.10%20RC/1.gif
[10:09] <mhb> fdoving: that's not what Kdict is about
[10:10] <kwwii> mhb: amd64?
[10:10] <fdoving> mhb: i know, but 'dict word' is nice too :)
[10:11] <mhb> kwwii: I think all arch CDs look the same (i386 RC looked like that too)
[10:12] <mhb> kwwii: it's the CD boot splash
[10:12] <kwwii> mhb: on amd64 I think it defaults to 16 colors
[10:12] <kwwii> otherwise there is a problem
[10:12] <kwwii> and/or nobody told me that this was the case
[10:13] <kwwii> I tried to make the new logo in 16 colors but it did not work at all
[10:13] <mhb> fdoving: dict word triggers "locate" here :oI
[10:14] <fdoving> mhb: oh.. weird. it's enabled by default in my clean edgy install.
[10:15] <mhb> fdoving: my install's no virgin anymore :o) I'll take a look at it when I have a clean install ready
[10:15] <fdoving> you actually have to put it in the konq address line.. you can't use Run Command.. 
[10:15] <fdoving> the settings is in konq -> settings -> configure konqueror -> web shortcuts
[10:16] <mhb> kwwii: the first screen I see when booting from the CD looks exactly like in the screenshot
[10:16] <mhb> kwwii: and it's i386 RC
[10:16] <kwwii> bad
[10:16] <kwwii> bad, bad, bad
[10:18] <mhb> kwwii: I understand you already made some artwork for the CD boot splash screen, right?
[10:18] <fdoving> mhb: you might also have to use dict:word, as that's the kubuntu default. i have changed my separator to ' '. that might be it.
[10:18] <kwwii> mhb: I tried to make the 256 color version work in 16 colors because of the problems with amd64
[10:19] <kwwii> at least on installed machines other than amd64 you should see the 256 color verson
[10:19] <kwwii> Riddell: do you know anything about this?
[10:20] <mhb> fdoving: that works, thanks :o)
[10:21] <mhb> fdoving: seems useful for english-speaking countries
[10:22] <fdoving> mhb: you can create your own similar shortcuts I have a norwegian one, searching a norwegian online dirctionary. just chaning the first word. 'dictno:word' for example. 
[10:22] <fdoving> of course, you need a online dictionary, and internet access.
[10:22] <mhb> fdoving: but the main advantage of Kdict is that it is able to make use of the DICT servers, which we (translators) can use to build our Ubuntu dictionary upon
[10:22] <fdoving> with dict you can have stuff locally.
[10:22] <fdoving> mhb: understand.
[10:28] <marseillai_> Riddell: there is not freenx in edgy ?
[10:30] <mhb> ZeroCool: I tried to replicate that bug on a clean Kubuntu machine
[10:31] <mhb> ZeroCool: and failed ... it works fine
[10:31] <ZeroCool> ??? 
[10:31] <ZeroCool> how can this be..
[10:31] <ZeroCool> mhb: please install the following and see where it breaks..
[10:32] <Riddell> mhb: kubuntu meetings are probably the best place to suggest applications
[10:32] <Riddell> kwwii: about what?
[10:33] <kwwii> Riddell: that the liveCD boots with the old usplash
[10:33] <ZeroCool> mhb: install koffice, kde utilities, kde, kde multimedia, kde graphics, kde addons, kde games... (all major kde extras, and add-ons. )
[10:34] <Riddell> kwwii: only on amd64 I'd hope
[10:34] <Riddell> kwwii: the gfx splash is 16 bit too
[10:35] <ryanakca> nobody knows the answer in #ubuntu+1, so, Why can't I play *.mp3 in amarok anymore? (Yes, I have libxine-extracodecs installed)
[10:35] <Riddell> ryanakca: do you have libmad installed?
[10:36] <kwwii> mhb: sounds like a funky bug to me
[10:36] <nixternal_> Riddell: http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/konversation.debdiff   <- did i do that correct, or did i mess it up?
[10:37] <kwwii> Riddell: you mean that gfx boots with 16bit? or 16 colors, I guess you mean
[10:37] <kwwii> erm, gfx-boot 
[10:37] <nixternal_> i am trying to fix konversation so i can join up here. but this auto /who flood bug with konversation is killing me
[10:37] <mhb> Riddell: http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/scaled/Kubuntu%206.10%20RC/1.gif
[10:37] <Riddell> kwwii: I mean gfx-boot it 16 colour
[10:37] <ryanakca> Riddell: yep
[10:37] <kwwii> Riddell: that would be the problem then
[10:38] <kwwii> is grub graphical by default now?
[10:38] <mhb> Riddell: the old one or the new one? That's what I saw today on i386 RC install
[10:38] <mhb> kwwii: sadly not yet
[10:38] <kwwii> this is what happens when you only can use yaboot
[10:38] <ryanakca> kwwii: grub graphical?
[10:38] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm really bad with c++.... 2 hours to get the patch written lol
[10:38] <Riddell> nixternal_: you had the patch applied while taking the debdiff
[10:38] <nixternal_> yes
[10:38] <kwwii> ryanakca: sure, suse did it :-)
[10:39] <Lure> Tonio_: you got it?
[10:39] <ryanakca> heh, sounds interesting
[10:39] <nixternal_> oh no..i didn't apply the patch, but it was located in the debian/patches
[10:39] <Tonio_> Lure: building
[10:39] <nixternal_> i dont' think
[10:39] <Tonio_> Lure: wanna see the patch ?
[10:39] <Riddell> http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/scaled/Kubuntu%206.10%20RC/2.gif  has the nice splash
[10:39] <Lure> Tonio_: sure
[10:40] <nixternal_> Riddell: i see what i messed up
[10:40] <mhb> Riddell: well, yes
[10:40] <Tonio_> Lure: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/32
[10:40] <ZeroCool> so, do I need to re-install 
[10:40] <nixternal_> there is no need for the patch if i had applied it already
[10:40] <mhb> Riddell: I was actually talking about the CD bootloader splash
[10:41] <mhb> ZeroCool: I can't test the packages today, sorry
[10:43] <ZeroCool> k
[10:44] <ZeroCool> I was hoping some of these updates would fix it..
[10:45] <mhb> kwwii: so what about the CD bootsplash (ISOLINUX splash)?
[10:45] <mhb> kwwii: boot loader splash
[10:45] <Tonio_> Lure: ../../src/k3bapplication.cpp:290: error: incomplete type 'K3bDirView' used in nested name specifier
[10:46] <Tonio_> any idea what I'm missing ?
[10:46] <Lure> Tonio_: I am just looking into this - problem is that you are calling it as if it would be static, but it is not
[10:46] <Tonio_> Lure: ah..... well I'm not able to do more, hope you can help :)
[10:47] <Lure> Tonio_: need to find where is K3bDirView object created and then use that object
[10:47] <Tonio_> hard to spec spannish if you never learned :) same for me with cpp
[10:47] <kwwii> mhb: well, it is 16 color, I guess and we have no nice 16 color graphic
[10:47] <kwwii> and making the 256 color one work with 16 colors will never happen
[10:47] <Tonio_> Lure: look ./src/k3bdirview.cpp
[10:48] <kwwii> sooooo...the only thing I can really think to do is to make a simple 2D version using the official logo, etc.
[10:48] <kwwii> not sure if it is not too late already
[10:48] <Tonio_> Lure: the class definition is in ./src/k3b.h
[10:50] <Lure> Tonio_: you need to do something like this: m_mainWindow->mainWindow()->showDevice( args->url(0) );
[10:51] <mhb> kwwii: oh well, it's no big deal anyway
[10:51] <kwwii> mhb: acutally it is, and if I had known about it earlier we might have fixed it
[10:52] <Tonio_> twice mainwindow ?
[10:52] <Tonio_> Lure: m_mainWindow->showDevice( args->url(0) ); that's not valid ?
[10:52] <Lure> yes
[10:53] <Tonio_> Lure: hum, okay testing
[10:53] <nixternal_> Riddell: http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/konversation.debdiff
[10:53] <nixternal_> i think that one is correct
[10:53] <Lure> in k3bapplication, you have m_mainWindow which is K3bMainWindow, in K3bMainWindow you have then mainWindow() method that returns you K3bDirList
[10:53] <seaLne> anyone know how to build a dapper pbuilder that uses 355?
[10:54] <seaLne> oh actually it might be working
[10:54] <Riddell> nixternal_: needs the name of the patch in the changelog and a bug reference
[10:54] <nixternal_> gotcha
[10:54] <Tonio_> Lure: okay I'm testing with your command then
[10:54] <Riddell> seaLne: pbuilder --save-after-login login  is your friend
[10:54] <Riddell> at last it's my friend
[10:55] <Lure> Tonio_: it compiles? that is suprising... ;-)
[10:55] <Tonio_> Lure: bah I'm testing :)
[10:55] <fdoving> Riddell: is it possible to fix bug 67080 before release?
[10:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67080 in kdeutils "[Edgy]  dependencies conflict with kubuntu-desktop" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67080
[10:56] <Riddell> fdoving: I don't see a way to fix that
[10:56] <fdoving> Riddell: removing klaptopdaemon from kdeutils meta isn't possible? 
[10:57] <Riddell> fdoving: it is part of kdeutils
[10:57] <fdoving> so editing the meta is not an option? 
[10:58] <Riddell> that would defeat the point of the meta
[11:00] <fdoving> hum..
[11:01] <nixternal_> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/konversation.debdiff
[11:01] <instructor> where are the sound system logs kept?
[11:01] <nixternal_> i think that is better this time around
[11:02] <fdoving> i would, personally, prefer a kdeutils meta without klaptopdaemon, and have the possibility to install the rest of kdeutils, without removing kubuntu-desktop and kde-guidance-powermanager.
[11:02] <fdoving> bbl. food.
[11:05] <Riddell> nixternal_: I don't seem to be affected by that bug
[11:05] <Riddell> nixternal_: who made the patch and what does it do?
[11:06] <nixternal_> psn from the konversation crew
[11:06] <nixternal_> it is supposed to fix the excess flood issue with konversation and the /WHO command at connect
[11:07] <nixternal_> i was only messing with patching stuff to see if i was going about it right, not to have it applied just yet
[11:07] <nixternal_> i want to test and make sure it fixes the issue here. but i did create bug 67200 concerning it
[11:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67200 in konversation "[Edgy]  v1.0.1 Excess Flood due to /WHO on connect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67200
[11:07] <nixternal_> and there is a kde bug 111129 i believe upstream
[11:07] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 111129 in general "auto /who causes konvi to disconnect from network" [Normal,New]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=111129
[11:08] <nixternal_> that bug is over a year old though, and is still in the "NEW' cat
[11:09] <nixternal_> right now, in order for me to connect to irc with konversation, i have to turn off the /WHO
[11:11] <Tonio_> Lure: ../../src/k3bapplication.cpp:290: error: invalid use of undefined type 'struct K3bDirView'3bDirView'
[11:12] <Tonio_> Lure: with your code :)
[11:12] <Tonio_> Lure: ../../src/k3bapplication.cpp:290: error: invalid use of undefined type 'struct K3bDirView'
[11:12] <Tonio_> sorry for the bad copy/paste
[11:12] <Lure> Tonio_: strange...
[11:13] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm sure the principlke is good, just I don't how to call that correctly
[11:13] <Tonio_> Lure: miss a .h file maybe ?
[11:14] <Tonio_> Lure: there is a second issue -> ../../src/k3b.h:45: error: forward declaration of 'struct K3bDirView'
[11:18] <Lure> Tonio_: yep try to include k3bdirview.h in k3bapplication.cpp
[11:18] <nixternal_> now we shall see if there comes the excess flood
[11:18] <nixternal_> Riddell: that patch works
[11:20] <nixternal> woohoo
[11:20] <nixternal> im back
[11:21] <Riddell> nixternal: that patch seems to do more than just change a default settings
[11:21] <mhb> goodnight all
[11:21] <nixternal> well, that change is from the channel.cpp file that psn uploaded to the konversation svn today
[11:23] <nixternal> hrmm..i just noted to them Riddell, that with that fix, i don't get all the hostmasks
[11:24] <nixternal> arg, he changed channel file and inputfilter file
[11:27] <instructor> mhb: night
[11:35] <nixternal> the corrected debdiff i believe would now be http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/konversation.debdiff
[11:35] <nixternal> this one includes the channel.cpp & inputfilter.cpp fix
[11:35] <nixternal> if it works local, i will update, if i crash and burn, don't laugh at me to hard ;)
[11:39] <instructor> Feisty!
[11:40] <nixternal> like jjesse told me earlier, it is going to take the complete 7.04 release cycle for me to spell that correctly
[11:40] <instructor> don't fawn over it too much and it will come to you
[11:40] <nixternal> hehe
[11:40] <instructor> Gregarious Gorilla!
[11:41] <nixternal> i doubt we will ever have a gorilla
[11:41] <nixternal> we are into small, cute, and harmless animals
[11:41] <instructor> Galumphing gazelles?
[11:41] <instructor> Gargling Gargoyles
[11:41] <nixternal> as it is our cuteness that gets us in the door to everyones house, and from there we can take over
[11:41] <instructor> And brownitivity :)
[11:41] <nixternal> i mean, who wants to let in a Panther, a Tiger, or a Leopoard into their house. What was Apple thinking?
[11:42] <instructor> Segfried and Roy?
[11:42] <nixternal> im thinking that ;)\
[11:42] <nixternal> i think i just came up with a marketing campaign for Ubuntu on that one
[11:43] <instructor> >_0
[11:47] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27566/
[11:47] <nixternal> lol, there it is ;)
[11:50] <kwwii> nixternal: oh man....oh man
[11:50] <kwwii> bambi linux fun
[11:52] <Tonio_> Lure: 
[11:52] <Tonio_> ../../src/k3bapplication.cpp:291: error: no matching function for call to 'K3bDirView::showDevice(KURL)'
[11:52] <Tonio_> ../../src/k3bdirview.h:69: note: candidates are: void K3bDirView::showDevice(K3bDevice::Device*)
[11:52] <Tonio_> that's better, I may just have to convert the parameter...... but how ?
[11:53] <Lure> better yes, but stil not there...
[11:54] <nixternal> hahaha kwwii
[11:56] <Lure> Tonio_: you would probably need to go though the list with iterator
[11:57] <Lure> and compare with specified one
[11:58] <Tonio_> Lure: argh...
[11:58] <Tonio_> are you able to write this ? I am not
[12:00] <instructor> nixternal: Well if https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/beryl-by-default gets through Then bambi will look even better than the big kats
[12:01] <kwwii> hehe, no doubt
[12:02] <nixternal> you know, beryl reminds me of the stuff you drink before having an MRI
[12:02] <nixternal> the name just doesn't appeal to me
[12:03] <instructor> It's a Gem I think
[12:03] <kwwii> yeah, but it is a bad name
[12:03] <kwwii> it sounds like a 40 year old fat balding man
[12:03] <Lure> Tonio_: m_core->deviceManager()->deviceByName( args->url(0) )
[12:03] <kwwii> erm...then again, that could almost be me :p
[12:03] <instructor> You'd prefer nipplet?
[12:03] <kwwii> I like beryl
[12:04] <kwwii> hehe
[12:04] <kwwii> yeah
[12:04] <Tonio_> Lure: great, but does that set the device ?
[12:04] <Lure> Tonio_: just not sure if device is not found - you should test by putting in trash instead of device file
[12:04] <instructor> kwwii: http://static.kdenews.org/jr/akademy-2006-group-photo.html
[12:04] <instructor>  :-)
[12:04] <Lure> Tonio_: this should return device - see k3bwriterselectionwidget.cpp:
[12:04] <instructor> I like strigi :)
[12:04] <Tonio_> ah okay ;)
[12:04] <Lure> K3bDevice::Device *current = k3bcore->deviceManager()->deviceByName( k3bcore->config()->readEntry( "current_writer" ) );
[12:04] <Tonio_> perfect
[12:04] <kwwii> :-)
[12:05] <Tonio_> Lure: m_mainWindow->mainWindow()->showDevice( m_core->deviceManager()->deviceByName( args->url(0) ) );
[12:05] <kwwii> getting that many developers to stand still and take a photo together is not easy
[12:05] <Tonio_> should do like that then ?
[12:05] <Lure> Tonio_: ;-)
[12:05] <instructor> Ber gets you 6 hits all guys
[12:05] <instructor> Nip gets you none :(
[12:05] <kwwii> hehe
[12:06] <kwwii> I think in the end that the name for such functionality is unimportant, actually
[12:06] <kwwii> the effects themselves are the important part
[12:07] <instructor> They probably could have called it Pooca and peopel woould still be on the forums and IRC saying I NEED Pooca! 
[12:07] <instructor> kwwii: seen the new one?
[12:07] <instructor> Where the application catches fire and burns to nothing when you close t?
[12:07] <instructor> it
[12:07] <kwwii> instructor: as I run ppc, I cannot really keep up on this stuff
[12:07] <kwwii> hehe, sounds awesome
[12:08] <instructor> Umm sure that's an excuse .. :)
[12:08] <kwwii> I have thought several times about buying a computer that will run "well" on linux including xgl stuff, but nobody can tell me which computer that is
[12:08] <instructor> Lubos is doing a nice bit of work on kwin-composite though :)
[12:09] <kwwii> I have actually bought two computers, installed linux and tried to get everything working with no luck (so I brought them back to the store, god love teh EU)
[12:09] <nixternal> Riddell: that patch fixes konversation, however i will have imbrandon look at it in detail, as this is his baby, i was only messing around learning how to do the patching stuff..thanks though for the help with it
[12:09] <instructor> Yeah I've done that here as well :)
[12:10] <Lure> Tonio_: I might fell a sleep - if I do not respond, drop me an e-mail and we will try to solve this tommorow
[12:10] <Lure> (actually today, just later) ;-)
[12:11] <nixternal> who is our resident digikam hacker?
[12:11] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm not there tomorrow, but I'll send you the patch
[12:11] <Tonio_> Lure: thanks for your help.... I'm so limited with c++ code...... :)