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ddaaMaybe one of the big challenges of Launchpad is achieving something lovable, while we need to something so broad. Lovable needs depth, and we cannot really go as deep as we would wish...12:18
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lifelessthe dep on gnarly is gone now right ?01:13
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ckdakeanyone around that can answer a few questions about putting a new project into rosetta?02:08
LarstiQckdake: I probably can't, but go ahead and we'll see how far I get. Someone else can pick up the pieces :)02:28
ckdakeI'm the project manager for Gallery, and we've been looking at rosetta as a possibility to manage translations02:28
ckdakewe want to allow translators to continue submitting things they way they currently do, which it sounds like rosetta can play nicely with02:29
ckdakeand we have a makefile target that needs to be run to update the compiled translation files when new pos come in02:29
ckdakeI was curious about how rosetta can tie in to our svn and if there would be a way to run makefile things before commits from rosetta02:30
LarstiQAfaik, you can (periodically) get an export of the .mo's from rosetta02:30
LarstiQwhich you would do, say, prior to release02:31
LarstiQnot sure about continously syncing02:31
ckdakethe main reason for it is that most of our translators like to be able to test out how their translation works immediately after doing it02:31
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ckdakeright now they can just run make, but having to wait for a release would be less than ideal02:32
LarstiQckdake: ah well, people could still work directly on a .po02:32
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LarstiQckdake: you're probably better off asking someone in the know like jordi/carlos/danilos, or mailing launchpad-users02:33
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ckdakeheh. ok. thanks for trying!02:33
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kikoWOO WOO WOO03:10
kikoguns don't kill PQM03:10
kikoI DO!03:10
lifelesskiko-zzz: for the win03:19
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wasabiSo, has anybody thought of hosting virtual machines through launchpad?03:42
wasabiOdd idea I know, just thought of it.03:42
wasabiYOu'd have some "machine" launchpad structure, a lot like you do with bzr branches.03:42
wasabiIt'd run Xen someplace.03:42
wasabiYou could group machines togehter... assign permisions for people to send signals to reboot, or get a console.03:43
wasabiJust throwing it out there. Later. :)03:43
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lifelessmeep03:44
ajmitchhehe03:44
lifelesssomething is whack with the branch mirror03:45
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lifelesswheres the 'getting started developing lp' wiki pages these days ?05:00
jameshlifeless: we don't have a single up-to-date set of instructions at the moment05:03
lifelesshmm05:03
lifelessthat was really useful. I think it would be a good idea to pull that back together05:03
lifelesswe're hiring sufficiently fast its worth it IMO05:03
jameshthe DatabaseSetup page is pretty up to date as far as getting Postgres configured locally05:04
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lifelessya, my pgsql is fine AFAIK05:04
jameshI walked _thumper_ through some of the initial setup manually05:04
spivIt's a bit odd that some info is on the wiki, and some (doc/localdomain-setup.txt) is only in the source tree.05:05
jameshspiv: ... and its out of date05:05
lifelessyay static doc05:05
spivjamesh: it's documentation, of course it's out of date ;)05:06
jameshI should see how my "bzr repo-push" plugin performs with smart server05:08
jmllifeless: "sufficiently fast" wouldn't be my choice of words :P05:11
spivjamesh: have you taken a look at the pygettextpo breakage carlos reported on the list?05:15
mptGooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!05:16
jameshspiv: was going to investigate that.  Hopefully we can use an #ifdef to make it function for both versions05:16
lifelessjml: blue proseth05:17
jmllifeless: what's a proseth?05:18
spivjamesh: I hope so.  I took a brief stab at it, and it reminded me how terribly rusty my C is...05:18
spivjamesh: so you're probably the best person to fix it, assuming you have time.05:19
lifeless'due process'05:19
jmllifeless: the problem with such processes is you can't figure in advance out how long they take to run. 05:24
lifelessthats why we call them 'due'05:24
lifelessrather than 'overdue'05:24
jml:)05:24
mptWhat the hell?05:27
mptI have to register my times of presence at a sprint in UTC??05:27
BjornTmpt: bug 6586805:31
UbugtuMalone bug 65868 in launchpad "Sprint attendance times should be considered local wallclock time" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6586805:31
mptahh, thanks BjornT 05:31
mptI was just about to report that05:31
mpt(and was about 7 seconds away from finding it myself:-)05:31
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nictukuhi, is "download / +export"  the only way to get the a current .po from rosetta?05:49
jameshnictuku: that or wait for the language pack to turn up in the Ubuntu repository (for Ubuntu translations)05:50
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UbugtuNew bug: #67058 in blueprint "Person's specifications don't show what project each spec is for" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6705806:00
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UbugtuNew bug: #67062 in blueprint "Specification page doesn't show who approved/declined it for meetings or when" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6706206:40
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jameshin gettext-po.h: "int multiline_p" <- spot the lisper08:00
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_thumper_morning all08:22
_thumper_could someone email me the pass phrase for the test user in the test suite?08:23
_thumper_or private chat thingy08:24
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spiv_thumper_: look at lib/canonical/launchpad/pagetests/README.txt08:25
SteveAjamesh: it's a boolean?08:27
jameshSteveA: yeah08:27
SteveAor rather "boolean-p" ?08:28
SteveAstu1: ping08:28
stubSteveA: pong08:28
_thumper_jamesh: just say no08:29
jameshspiv: btw, did the gettextpo test suite pass with the change you made?08:29
spivjamesh: no, as I said in my mail it still segfaulted.08:30
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jameshspiv: so you did.  Looks like a NULL check from previous versions disappeared.08:31
SteveAstub: is staging doing something interesting?  I just got a timeout from it?08:32
stubSteveA: daily jobs are running. Currently the librarian garbage collector08:34
stubBit of a worry as I've proposed that box as the host for {beta,edge}.launchpad.net. Might need to move staging to carbon at some point, or at least the db.08:38
SteveAmpt: ping08:53
mptSteveA, pong08:54
SteveAmpt: conf call in 508:54
mptyes, thanks08:54
SteveAmy hierarchy menu merge to mainline failed08:55
SteveAthere's something weird with one of the tests that I'm looking into08:55
SteveAI also mailed you about a CSS weirdness08:55
SteveAmpt: also, merging from mainline, there are many conflicts08:57
SteveAI will work on resolving these08:57
SteveAWe must coordinate so we both don't try to resolve conflicts at once08:57
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mptSteveA, do you want me to fix the tests in the conflict-resolution branch, or should you?09:26
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SteveAI'm going to revert my confict resolution now, and get some breakfast09:26
SteveAso, do as much as you like / can on that09:26
SteveAand let me know when you're done, and I'll merge from you09:27
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carlosmorning09:28
mdkecarlos: morning. I wanted to chat about those templates09:32
carlosmdke: hi09:32
mdkehiya09:33
carlosmdke: I did nothing because no one was able to give me an answer 100% sure about what to do with it09:33
mdkequite right, thanks09:33
mdkeif you can talk to me, it's always better09:33
mdkeso anything with installation-guide should NOT be accepted. Sorry about that, I've removed them from the latest source package09:33
mdkecontribute.pot should be accepted. And with the kubuntu ones, I'm curious myself why they are there - kubuntu-docs has those templates already09:34
carlosperhaps you changed the path09:34
carlosor the filename09:35
carlosok, I'm going to do it right now09:35
mdkecan you tell me what package they were uploaded with?09:35
carlosyou can see it in the import page09:35
mdkeah, ubuntu-docs09:35
carlosyep09:36
mdkethat is a mistake by dholbach then. Reject them and I'll let him know09:36
carloshmm09:36
carlosin fact the kubuntu ones09:36
carloscome from ubuntu-docs too09:36
carlosthat's the reason they are not being imported automatically09:36
mdkeyes. I know what's going on there09:37
mdkewe have a script which removes some stuff from the source package, but daniel must have forgotten to run it before uploading09:37
carlosok09:39
carlosso I should only accept contribute.pot09:39
carlosright?09:39
mdkeyes. I noticed recently that we forgot to include that pot file in previous uploads09:39
mdkea bummer for translators :/09:39
carlosI see09:40
carlosok09:40
mdkeguys, any plans for getting malone to strip pgp stuff out of emails? I send my bugmail with enigmail and it kinda clogs up the comments screen09:44
BjornTmdke: there is a bug open for that (bug 40526), but it's low priority for the moment since we have a lot of other stuff to do.09:51
UbugtuMalone bug 40526 in malone "strip inline pgp noise from bug messages" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4052609:51
mptmdke, there's a bug reported about it, if that's what you mean by "any plans for"09:51
mptd'oh, too slow :-)09:51
mdkempt: yes it is09:51
mdkeBjornT: thanks09:51
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carlossee you later09:53
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mptSteveA, I've fixed the pagetests, pushing now10:20
SteveAmpt: great10:20
SteveAI've fixed the hierarchy menus test10:21
SteveAif you can tell me what CSS to change, I'll do that before I merge with pqm10:21
mptugh, it'll take a while for me to fetch your branch10:24
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mptsorry, should have started that while I was working on the tests in the other branch10:24
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SteveAlatest is in sftp://devpad.canonical.com/code/stevea/launchpad/devel10:25
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SteveAit shouldn't take long for you to get my branch if you're using a repository10:26
mptIndeed I am10:26
SteveAare you using jamesh's setup now?10:26
SteveAI need to switch over to that10:26
mptyes10:26
SteveAspiv: ping10:27
lucasvoare there any plans to include a better source code browser into LP10:31
lucasvosuch as bzr webserve?10:31
jameshSteveA: I've got a plugin that can do a full repository push, but it is a fair bit slower than using rsync (the method I documented on the wiki page for pushing your changes)10:31
jameshSteveA: maybe it'll have acceptable performance with the smart server10:32
SteveAlucasvo: yes10:32
lucasvoSteveA: when?10:32
SteveAwe're going to use that, and have links from it to launchpad and back10:32
SteveAI expect in december10:33
lucasvogood. I really miss this feauture10:33
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mptSteveA, push finished10:37
mptShall I send it to PQM, or would that just complicate things?10:38
SteveAthe push of which is fininshed?10:38
SteveAyour latest UI work?10:38
mpt2006-10-ui-one-zero10:38
SteveAdon't send it to pqm.  I'll merge that into my UI branch, then I'll merge in new menus, then I'll push it to PQM10:38
mptThat's the 1.0 help slot, and (more interesting to you) resolving recent conflicts with mainline10:39
SteveAok10:39
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mptSteveA, in launchpad.css, line 1180 (in the "ul.menuroot" rule), change "font-size: smaller;" to "font-size: 0.675em;"11:07
mptThat's the only change necessary11:07
SteveAok11:09
SteveAI'll do that11:09
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carlosSteveA: hi, do you have time for a brief meeting with me?11:17
SteveAcarlos: I will have, but I'd rather have later today11:18
carlosok11:18
SteveAis that okay, or do you need to tal know?11:18
carlosno it's not urgent at all11:18
SteveAok11:19
carlosSteveA: I have to go to the doctor in less than an hour, so I guess we could have it after lunch, if you have time11:19
SteveAfine11:19
SteveAmpt: darn... still get lots of conflicts11:19
SteveAsome "path conflicts" too this time11:19
carlosSteveA: ok, thanks11:20
SteveAvery exciting, I haven't had those before11:20
SteveAddaa: what's a "path conflict" ?11:20
ddaafor example, the other branch tries to create a filename that's already in the working tree, but with a different file id11:20
ddaaor it tries to add a file in a directory you have deleted11:21
ddaathis sort of shit, when the conflict is in the tree structure11:21
ddaawell, I presume...11:21
SteveAmpt: did you do anything where you did the same thing, but in two divergent trees?11:22
SteveAI'm trying to figure out how these conflicts arose11:22
ddaait's the dark side of having extensive support for renames... the richest the rename tracking, the more complex the possible conflicts11:22
mptSteveA, no.11:23
mptAnd I'm deliberately (for example) blanking obsolete templates instead of deleting them, so if anything changes in them it will be a text conflict rather than a more complicated one11:24
ddaamh... actually I remember when you get this sort of conflict you do not get a path conflict, you just get a conflict with only file.BASE and file.OTHER11:25
SteveAvery strange11:25
mptThat makes sense, if there's no .THIS file left11:26
ddaait's a bit surprising the first time though... anyway it's not the current problem11:26
mptSteveA, will you have time for bug 65629 today?11:28
ddaaSteveA: do the conflict tree contains files or dirs whose name ends in ".moved"?11:28
UbugtuBug 65629 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/65629 is private11:28
SteveAmpt: yes11:28
mptgreat11:29
jameshmaybe if you deleted a file that has since been modified in the branch you're merging from?11:29
ddaa"when you get this sort of conflict you do not get a path conflict, you just get a conflict with only file.BASE and file.OTHER"11:30
ddaagot that at some point when I merged your bzr compatibility fixes into my cscvs-partial-copy branch, that deleted some of the files you modified11:31
SteveAddaa: no .moved files11:31
jameshor if someone deleted a file and then recreated it with a different file ID11:31
ddaajamesh: that should cause .moved files to pop around, so the two file ids are kept around11:31
ddaaIIRC11:32
SteveAmpt: how did you do the rename to the help_bg.gif icon from options_info_bg.gif ?11:32
ddaaSteveA: no idea, would need to get my hands on the tree11:32
mptSteveA, with bzr mv11:32
SteveAthanks for confirming the revert bug with a test case11:32
ddaaso, do I get my leave? :)11:33
UbugtuNew bug: #67091 in malone "Izzuezilla bug watches are failing to update" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6709111:35
SteveAmpt: in the style.css, there are changes removing ^M at the end of certain lines11:36
SteveAbut not all11:36
mptI have no idea what that's about11:37
SteveAI'll just use the one from your branch in that case11:39
mptSteveA, merging fresh rocketfuel into 2006-10-ui-one-zero I get one conflict, in Makefile11:39
mptso I guess I can't help with any of the problems you're having11:39
SteveAI think there are tabs in the main template11:39
SteveAplease look see11:39
mptthere are indeed11:40
mptI don't know why that is, I've had "Insert spaces instead of tabs" turned on the whole time11:41
mptOne of them is a line I copied and pasted from Usman's work11:41
mptbut the rest aren't11:41
SteveAplease put the 1.0 in progress comments at the end of files11:41
SteveAnot in the middle of files11:41
SteveAmpt: in your branch, did you merge my initial bugfix for showing bug pages?11:42
mptWhat file are you talking about?11:42
SteveAspecification-index.pt11:42
mptSteveA, not in this branch, no11:42
mptThis branch doesn't have any structural headings in it11:42
SteveAok11:43
SteveAI think that will explain my conflicts11:43
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SteveAmpt: what branch have you been merging from my ui branch into?11:44
mptWhen you said you'd fixed bug 65629, I merged it into 2006-08-ui, because that's the branch I was doing structural headings on11:45
UbugtuBug 65629 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/65629 is private11:45
jordicarlos?11:46
jordicarlos: I need your help here: why does http://librarian.launchpad.net/4734954/silva.pot fail to import?11:46
mptSteveA, and while I haven't been able to land that branch, I've been doing the help slot on 2006-10-ui-one-zero11:47
mptwhich is what you just merged from11:47
carlosjordi: let me see...11:47
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carlosjordi: msgfmt accept it so it's a problem in our side11:52
carloslet me see if I find what's going wrong...11:53
jordiok11:53
jordicarlos: I need to leave for 30 mins, but I invited thisfred here11:57
carlosjordi: I'm leaving in 10 minutes to the doctor...11:57
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SteveAhello thisfred 11:58
carlosthisfred: hi12:00
UbugtuNew bug: #67095 in malone "Support status updates of Trac bug watches" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6709512:00
thisfredsry: hi SteveA, hi carlos12:05
_thumper_SteveA: your thoughts on using SoftRequestTimeout for shortlist hardlimit?12:07
UbugtuNew bug: #67102 in malone "Support status updates of Roundup bug watches" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6710212:10
SteveA_thumper_: I agreed a way forward with spiv on this yesterday.12:11
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SteveAit was on irc, and I expect spiv to carry this onto the mailing lists etc.  are you blocked on this right now?12:12
_thumper_only on that branch12:12
_thumper_can get back to spec-branches12:12
_thumper_I was just trying to finish that off today12:12
SteveAhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/launchpad-2006-10-19.html12:13
SteveA03:35 or so12:13
SteveAstarts at 03:3212:13
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SteveAuntil 03:3912:17
_thumper_ok, I'll update my branch based on this and push it up and poke spiv for a quick sanity check12:17
SteveAgreat12:17
eleusiskiko-zzz: ping12:26
eleusisdoh12:26
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SteveAkiko is in brazil12:31
SteveAso, wait a couple of hours12:31
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ddaaSteveA: apparently, we are no longer (have we ever been) firewalled by the debian svn. Succeded at an test import of devscript. Debconf test import is failing because of some known bug.12:44
jordithisfred: ok, so carlos had to leave to the doctor12:56
jordithisfred: we can have a deeper look when he's back, but this is a flaw in rosetta.12:56
jordithisfred: I'll file a bug so it's tracked.12:56
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thisfredjordi: ok, thanks for your help!12:57
jordithisfred: np!12:58
thisfredas I've said: no real emergency, though I'd like to be kept informed if amything changes 12:58
jordithisfred: I subscribed to to the bug report12:59
jordihttps://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+bug/6710901:00
UbugtuMalone bug 67109 in rosetta "Rosetta fails to import a valid silva.pot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  01:00
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UbugtuNew bug: #67109 in rosetta "Rosetta fails to import a valid silva.pot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6710901:06
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SteveAthisfred: feel free to discuss things in person if you like too :-)01:13
SteveAI am after all sitting in the next room01:13
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ddaa*sigh* people are so creative with svn...01:18
ddaahttps://launchpad.net/products/listen/trunk01:18
ddaahttps://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/listengnome/trunk-0.501:18
eleusisSteveA: ah right01:18
ddaaso is that trunk, or is that 0.5? Eh?01:18
_thumper_ddaa, sounds like someone wants that to be trunk of 0.501:19
_thumper_bit screwy though01:19
eleusislooks like GMT-201:19
ddaa_thumper_: a bit misguided...01:19
ddaaCurrently deleting spurious non-trunk imports01:19
SteveAmaybe it's half of the trunk01:22
SteveAand the other half is elsewhere01:22
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ddaaand the last log entry on the trunk branch (not trunk-0.5) is "Release 0.5b1"...01:22
ddaa...01:22
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carlosthisfred, jordi: It's an encoding problem01:28
jordicarlos: silva.pot: ASCII PO (gettext message catalogue) text, with very long lines01:29
jordibecause it declares UTF-8?01:30
carlosit should work01:30
carlosASCII is a subset of UTF-801:30
jordiyes01:30
carlos('ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc2 in position 0: ordinal not in range(128))01:31
carlosthat's the error01:31
jordia pot should probably say CHARSET, not UTD-8, but anyway01:31
carlosnot really01:31
carlosit should say CHARSET if you are completely sure whether it's ASCII01:31
carlosbut if it includes UTF-8 chars, it should be UTF-801:31
jordiI thought CHARSET is used as a template, that needs subtitution01:31
jordinod01:31
carlosgettext works that way01:32
carloswhen there is a msgid with non ascii chars01:32
jordiI see01:36
carloswell, with UTF-8 chars, I guess that it would say something else if your msgid is using other encodings01:36
ddaaActually, it looks like trunk became effectively a stable branch, and the new head is trunk-0.5. All recent development was in trunk-0.5, and trunk merged it when 0.5b1 was released.01:36
_thumper_ddaa, how often are the merge status diffs updated on pending reviews?01:37
ddaaEverytime I peek out into the real world, I become painfully aware of how much "vcs import == series" is a bad model...01:37
ddaahttp://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2006/09/easeofuse_shoun.html01:38
ddaa_thumper_: every now and then, give or take a few minutes :)01:39
ddaaIOW, I dunno, really...01:39
_thumper_ok01:39
UbugtuNew bug: #67115 in rosetta "No easy way to copy and paste the original English translation if it contains special characters" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6711501:40
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carlosthisfred, jordi: I found the problem01:46
carlos#: /views/edit/VersionedContent/tab_status_get_status_link_title.py:3701:46
carlosmsgid "view \302\253${version_title}\302\273"01:46
carlosmsgstr ""01:46
carlosthe \302\253 and \302\273 chars are the problematic ones01:47
carlosthisfred: what's that?01:47
carlosI see... '' and ''01:48
mptbother!01:55
mptjamesh, still around?01:55
UbugtuNew bug: #67118 in rosetta "Two adjacent "To continue, you must log in" messages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6711801:55
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thisfredcarlos: yes those are correct01:58
thisfredare they not encoded as UTF-801:58
thisfred?01:58
carlospython doesn't accept them as UTF-8 valid, or at least as we parse it01:59
carlosI'm doing some testing to see how could we fix it01:59
carlosthisfred: in the mean time, If you want, I could upload a .pot file without that msgid so the others can be translated while we fix this issue02:00
thisfredcarlos: thanx, but if we take out that one, we may find others, I think there are more, so I'll have a look myself to see what is best. I could try giving all special characters symbolic names, and use that as a work around for now.02:02
SteveAmpt: ping02:02
mptSteveA, pong02:02
carlosthisfred: before you change anything, give me one day to see if I figure an easy fix for this issue02:02
thisfredBut it could be that one of my tools fouled up the actual encoding, in which case correcting that might fix the file...02:03
thisfredcarlos: sure, there is no great hurry at my end02:03
SteveAmpt: can you resolve the css file too?02:04
carloswell, printing that text in python shows that it's valid UTF-802:04
carlosso I don't think it's a problem in your side02:04
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SteveAmpt: I've done all the rest02:06
mptgreat, another entire-file conflict02:07
mptthis should take about half an hour :-(02:10
ddaampt: you know about extmerge?02:13
mptno02:13
ddaauses an external app to resolve merge conflicts, I use kdiff302:13
ddaahttp://erik.bagfors.nu/bzr-plugins/extmerge/02:13
ddaaapt-get install kdiff302:13
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ddaampt: it's amazing how much pain you guys are willing to endure without asking if there's a better way.02:13
SteveAmpt: It's easier with gvimdiff too02:13
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ddaakdiff3 is really great, but you need a large screen and a small font to fit all the information02:14
SteveAmpt: try gvimdiff style.css.THIS style.css.OTHER02:14
ddaaSteveA: the thing is that extmerge automates that for you02:14
ddaa"bzr emerge style.css" and it calls your tool of choice with the conflict files02:15
SteveAgentoo!02:15
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ddaanah... it helps you "emerge from your pit of textual conflicts"02:16
SteveAmpt: you don't need the syntactic sugar of emerge02:16
ddaaright02:16
SteveAfrom the gvimdiff, I see there are only about 20 lines different02:16
SteveAmost of these are to do with the change from "options" to "help"02:16
mptddaa, there is a better way, which is for bzr merge to be less dumb :-)02:16
ddaampt: unattended merging is hard02:17
SteveAmpt: do you understand what you're seeing with gvimdiff style.css.THIS style.css.OTHER ?02:17
ddaabetter safe than sorry02:17
mptSteveA, kdiff3 has only just finished installing02:18
SteveAI said to use gvimdiff02:18
mpt1.15am is not the time to learn vim02:18
SteveAwhich you may have already02:18
SteveAyou don't need to do anything with it except look02:18
mptbash: gvmdiff: command not found02:19
SteveAgvimdiff02:19
mptE: Couldn't find package gvmdiff02:19
SteveAyou're missing the I02:19
mptgahhh02:19
SteveAgvimdiff02:19
SteveAbut the kde tool should be equivalent02:19
mptThat package is unknown either02:19
mpts/either/too/02:20
thisfredmeld is also nice :)02:20
SteveAit's a command02:20
SteveAdid you try the command gvimdiff ?02:20
ddaathisfred: meld does not do merges AFAIK02:20
SteveAor just vimdiff ?02:20
SteveAddaa: we're just trying to compare two files02:20
salgadogvimdiff is from vim-gnome02:20
salgadompt, ^02:20
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SteveAddaa: so I think meld would be fine02:21
SteveAbut I just want to get mpt using something here02:21
ddaameld's great for viewing diffs02:21
ddaathere's a plugin do do "bzr diff" with meld too :)02:21
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mptok, kdiff3 show me the diffs very nicely, but how to resolve them is completely non-obvious02:22
SteveAmpt: privmsg02:22
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SteveAcarlos: ping02:46
carlosSteveA: pong02:49
SteveAcarlos: do you know well about how staging is set up?02:49
carlosI think so, yes02:49
SteveAI tried doing some stuff on there, and it looks like rf-built is rsynced over to there02:49
carlosno02:49
carlosit uses a local mirror02:49
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SteveAbut that the launchpad bzr tree is broken, maybe it was rsynced mid-way through a pull02:50
SteveAor push02:50
carlosI don't remember how is prepared the mirror02:50
carlosand I don't have access to that machine anymore02:50
SteveAok, don't worry then02:50
carlosI think you can force the mirror, though02:51
SteveAany idea how?02:52
carlosdo a 'crontab -l' as launchpad user02:52
carlosI think it was executed from there02:52
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SteveAcarlos: don't see anything useful there03:00
carloswell you could always do the rsync against devpad yourself directly03:03
carlosSteveA: and start it later03:03
SteveAyeah, I'll try doing that03:03
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carlosthisfred: I think I found a solution03:13
carlosthisfred: I will try to get it merged as soon as possible so this unblocks you product03:14
thisfredcarlos: great! thank you very much!03:15
SteveAI obviously have no clue how to drive rsync03:18
carlosthisfred: https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+bug/6713803:21
UbugtuMalone bug 67138 in rosetta "poparser should use unichr instead of chr for escaped chars" [Medium,Confirmed]  03:21
carlosSteveA: rsync -avzH --delete devpad.canonical.com:/code/warthogs/rocketfuel-built/launchpad/ launchpad03:23
carlosSteveA: I think that's what you need03:23
SteveAhow do you remember all that?03:24
carloswell, I use it quite often ;-)03:25
thisfredcarlos: thanks: I subscribed03:26
SteveAfuck03:26
SteveAhalf the problem is that "bzr" on staging for some reason runs the bzr in the launchpad tree03:26
SteveAthe PYTHONPATH is arsed up too03:26
carloshmm, that means that a broken launchpad tree will break bzr too...03:28
carlosfunny...03:28
kiko-zzzyawn03:28
kikohello handsome03:29
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kikono, not you03:29
UbugtuNew bug: #67138 in rosetta "poparser should use unichr instead of chr for escaped chars" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6713803:30
carlosSteveA: are you able to tell me any problem I could have if I move from chr() to unichr() when using it as: "u'foo' + chr(integer)" ?03:30
j-a-meinelTreMobyl: who is coming from uiowa? (I went to school there)03:30
carlosI think it should not introduce any problem and I'm sure it fixes bug #67138, but I don't know whether it would introduce any other problem03:31
UbugtuMalone bug 67138 in rosetta "poparser should use unichr instead of chr for escaped chars" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6713803:31
SteveAcarlos: uchr03:31
SteveAdon't concatenate unicode and str object03:32
carlosatm we do it with chr, I want to move to unichr03:32
TreMobylj-a-meinel: what are you talking about?03:32
carlosso I guess that's a confirmation that it's the right way to do it03:32
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SteveAnow the initscript doesn't work anymore on staging03:32
TreMobylj-a-meinel: well, then I would be, no?03:33
j-a-meinelI was trying to figure out who you were, as I don't recognize your IRC nick.03:33
carlosSteveA: if you want, add my ssh certificate to launchpad's user and I will fix staging for you. I will remove it once it's done03:33
TreMobylah, just a hacker wannabe03:33
TreMobylwhat did you study here?03:33
j-a-meinelBiomedical Engineering.03:33
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TreMobylinteresting03:34
j-a-meinelyourself?03:34
erdalronahihi doko_, hi carlso03:34
erdalronahihi carlos03:34
carloserdalronahi: hi03:34
erdalronahishould we talk here or there03:34
TreMobylj-a-meinel: physics, but we're off-topic.  :)03:34
doko_carlos: erdalronahi says, that the latest rosetta export doesn't contain the current ku translations03:34
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carlosdoko_: does your source package include it?03:35
erdalronahiwell, there were some bugs, which I will explain later.03:35
erdalronahiTo correct them, we uploaded fixed files on 12.10.03:35
kikocarlos, did you see my gift?03:35
doko_you did export on 2006-10-15, but apparently this was before the import of the OOo translations from the last upload did finish?03:35
erdalronahibut they were imported on 16.1003:35
erdalronahidoko pulled the stuff on 15.1003:36
erdalronahiso they are not there03:36
carlosdoko_: could be, because I saw new uploads later...03:36
erdalronahithe problem is massive03:36
carlosdoko_: do we have time for a new version before final release?03:36
doko_carlos: http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/GSI_ku.sdf is what I got ...03:36
carloskiko: wow, I just saw it03:36
carloskiko: thanks!!!03:36
doko_time probably, but I want to make sure that we get it right this time ...03:37
erdalronahithe up to date files are at http://download.ferheng.org/ooo2/GSI_ku.sdf.bz203:37
doko_so if you can export new translations, I could do test packages.03:37
erdalronahiand in Rosetta03:38
carlosok, I will prepare a new export today03:38
carloserdalronahi: so Rosetta is up to date right now, right?03:38
erdalronahiyes03:38
kikocarlos, you're welcome.03:39
carlosok03:39
carlosdoko_: I'm going to request a new export right now03:39
erdalronahiI will tell you what the problem was, I think it is important03:39
erdalronahiStrings that appear in several .po-files and are translated differently in one of them do not appear at all03:40
erdalronahiif "file" is translated 3 times the same and once differently, it will not appear anywhere in OOo03:40
erdalronahithat affects large parts of the menus03:40
carlosoh, really???03:40
carlosis that a bug in pootle or OO.org ?03:41
erdalronahiWell, rather in Rosetta > GSI as you do it03:41
erdalronahiWe didn't use pootle, just Rosetta03:41
erdalronahiI always wondered why it was like this03:41
erdalronahiwhen I converted the Rosetta stuff with po2ooo, I saw that these strings were marked as fuzzy03:42
erdalronahiand didn't make it into the GSI03:42
erdalronahiobviously that also happens when you are compiling your langpacks03:42
carloserdalronahi: well, Rosetta -> GSI is pootle's code 03:43
erdalronahithe translate-toolkit, isn't it?03:43
carlosat least until Danilo finish the native support for GSI files03:43
carloserdalronahi: right, sorry, I keep mixing them...03:43
erdalronahiMay be their bug03:44
erdalronahiBut I am not sure, since Rosetta uses different templates03:44
erdalronahiso it could well be a Rosetta bug03:45
carlosdoko_: ?03:46
carloserdalronahi: the .po to GSI conversion is done by doko_03:46
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erdalronahiI can file a but in Launchpad and explain this issue03:46
carloserdalronahi: yeah, do it, bug against oo.org, It sounds to me that it's a problem with the .po -> GSI step03:48
doko_carlos: does rosetta marks these as fuzzy?03:48
carlosno, because every .po file is its own context and the same .po file cannot have more than one msgid with the same value03:50
erdalronahino, it doesn't03:50
carlosthat should be done when all .po files are linked back to the same single file03:51
erdalronahiyes, that is when it happens03:51
erdalronahiit happened about 1500 times for ku03:51
erdalronahibecause some translations are used at 50 places03:51
carlosand that step is done outside Rosetta03:53
doko_erdalronahi: strange, I can start po2oo with --fuzzy, but I'm unsure how this helps ... if these are not marked fuzzy03:53
UbugtuNew bug: #67145 in malone "Linkify Debian bug numbers in comments correctly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6714503:55
kikojamesh, you rock03:57
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Kamping_Kaiserhi all.04:01
Kamping_Kaiseri just commented on a (ubuntu) bug in launchpad, and no carrage returns were inserted, so its one big block of text04:01
Kamping_Kaiseris that a bug in launchpad, or do i no know what i'm doing? :|04:01
Kamping_Kaiseri shold clarify that:04:03
Kamping_Kaiserthe comment down the bottom of the page is properly set out, but the "Comment on most recent change" where you set status' and whatnot is messed up04:04
kikoKamping_Kaiser, humm humm. what bug is that?04:12
salgadoSteveA, around?04:12
Kamping_Kaiserbug 57861 is the one i put the comment on04:12
UbugtuMalone bug 57861 in linux-source-2.6.15 "usb key producing address errors on dapper kernel." [Undecided,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5786104:12
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erdalronahidoko_, I didn't try that one, 04:15
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erdalronahidoko_, should I file a bug for this problem04:20
dokoerdalronahi: please do, did you try with --fuzzy?04:21
erdalronahino, I corrected 910 translations manually :)04:22
erdalronahibut maybe I did something very different than you do04:23
erdalronahimine is described here: http://wiki.ferheng.org/doku.php/wergerandin:tim_morley04:26
erdalronahiI used that script in the box04:27
erdalronahiMaybe your are using another script04:27
SteveAsalgado: hi.  I have a conf call very soon.04:28
salgadoSteveA, hmmm. okay. I was wondering if you'd have some time to review my latest shipit-for-edgy changes04:28
SteveAsalgado: maybe later today.  ask me in 2 hrs04:29
erdalronahidoko, file the bug against what?04:29
salgadoSteveA, will do. thanks04:30
dokoerdalronahi: openoffice.org-l10n04:32
erdalronahidoko: in ubuntu or where04:34
erdalronahino such packet, no such product04:34
dokoyes, ubuntu04:36
erdalronahibut there is no package openoffice.org-l10n04:37
erdalronahiha, ok, found it04:37
erdalronahiSo I didnt file bug #60570 and bug #67003 against the correct package04:39
UbugtuMalone bug 60570 in openoffice.org "Edgy, OOo 2.0.4: Localization, dissapearing menu strings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6057004:39
UbugtuMalone bug 67003 in language-support-ku "Edgy: openoffice.org-l10n-ku is very outdated" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6700304:39
erdalronahiI can't change that, can I?04:39
bradbjamesh: review reply sent. can i merge?04:43
erdalronahidoko, just filed Bug #6715804:45
UbugtuMalone bug 67158 in openoffice.org-l10n "Translations done in Rosetta do not appear in Ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6715804:45
SteveAkiko: ping, conf call04:46
SteveAsalgado: kiko around?04:48
salgadoSteveA, I just went downstairs and didn't see him. let me check again04:49
salgadoSteveA, yeah, he's not at the office, but should be back shortly04:50
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SteveAsalgado: it's fine, kiko called mark on the phone05:29
UbugtuNew bug: #67167 in launchpad "Mirror prober fails to check ftp.fu-berlin.de release mirror" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6716705:35
salgadospiv, not around, I guess?05:39
carlosjordi: ping05:40
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flacostewhat happened to the support requests portlet on staging?06:07
flacostecompare https://launchpad.net/people/jjesse with https://staging.launchpad.net/people/jjesse ?06:07
salgadoflacoste, staging may be broken; have you seen SteveA's email to launchpad about it?06:10
flacostesalgado: yes, I read, but I wasn't sure if that was the cause seems it seems otherwise to work kind of ok06:10
flacostei had problem earlier with the hierarchical menu, but it is not better, altough the layout is still a little weird06:11
carlossalgado: I did an staging update two hours ago06:15
carloswhat staging has atm is exactly rocketfuel tree06:18
flacostecarlos: that's weird because if I run rocketfuel locally, the support requests portlet does appear06:25
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carlosflacoste: did you forced a css update so you don't use cached files? (if that portlet depends on css changes)06:26
flacostecarlos: if I do View Source, the portlet is just not there 06:27
carlosflacoste: this is latest commit on that tree:06:27
carlosrevno: 417706:27
carloscommitter: Canonical.com Patch Queue Manager<pqm@pqm.ubuntu.com>06:27
carlosbranch nick: launchpad06:27
carlostimestamp: Fri 2006-10-20 13:31:26 +010006:27
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flacostecarlos: yeah, same here,06:33
highvoltagehi. does bounties still exist in Launchpad?06:34
highvoltages/does/do06:34
kikohighvoltage, not really.06:34
kikoeleusis, hey06:34
highvoltagekiko: ok. could I still somehow access the bounties that have been registered, or are they gone too?06:35
kikohighvoltage, I think the URLs are still there.06:36
highvoltageok thanks, I think I'll google to find the bounty :)06:36
eleusiskiko: done anything on the mantis thing? :)06:37
kikoeleusis, no, nothing worth noting. :-(06:37
eleusis:)06:37
LarstiQeleusis: did you find out if bits were disabled in the xmms2 instance?06:38
eleusisno, there's nothing to disable..06:38
eleusisseems it works if you search for something, then export06:38
LarstiQah ok06:38
carlosSteveA: will you have time to meet with me or do you prefer to leave it until next week?06:59
SteveAcarlos: let's talk now07:00
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carlosjordi: ping07:24
highvoltagehi, who can I ask about @ubuntu.com e-mail address? I had problems with the mail address it is forwarding to and I think it's been disabled :/07:27
elmohighvoltage: it doesn't work that way, it's a simple email forward - it doesn't react to any problems on your end07:30
elmohighvoltage: (i.e. it hasn't been disabled)07:30
highvoltageelmo: ok, I've tried sending myself and e-mail and haven't received it yet, but I'll be a bit more patient, perhaps it's still on its way. thanks.07:31
highvoltageelmo: it's been about 10 minutes since I sent the mail and it hasn't come through, is it possible that the server couldn't reach my mail server for long enough and gave up? my local lug address also comes through a simple forward and that is what happened there.07:40
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bradbjamesh: I use BugView instead of context/bug because context is IBug for some pages on which the portlet is shown, and IBugTask on others08:44
UbugtuNew bug: #67212 in launchpad "Need a way to identify distribution mirrors that support IPv6" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6721208:50
Nafalloword! nice bug :-)08:51
Nafallodoes the DC support IPv6 today?08:53
salgadoNafallo, I don't think so.  but that bug is just about knowing which mirrors support IPv6 and telling that to users08:57
Nafalloyea, but I followed the link to bug #44841 :-)09:00
UbugtuMalone bug 44841 in launchpad "Mirror prober should be able to probe IPv6-only mirrors" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4484109:00
Nafalloif the DC needs IPv6 anyway they might as well publish their services through it :-)09:01
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carlossee you09:23
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UbugtuNew bug: #67233 in launchpad-support-tracker "Assignee should be considered indirect subscribers" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6723310:10
salgadoSteveA, around?10:23
SteveAyes10:41
salgadoSteveA, will you be able to review my shipit branch today? :)10:41
SteveAsalgado: maybe... I have a landing of my own to do10:43
SteveAI'll ping you when I'm done10:44
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SteveAsalgado: is the branch up on pending-reviews?10:51
salgadoSteveA, yes, it's shipit-for-edgy10:51
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SteveAsalgado: reviewed11:08
salgadowow11:08
salgadothat was quick11:08
salgadothanks a lot, SteveA11:08
SteveAthe code was easy to follow11:09
SteveAalthough I wish the diff for review showed a better order to review11:09
SteveA - page tests11:09
SteveA - interfaces11:09
SteveA - system tests11:09
SteveA - implementation11:09
salgadoyeah, I wish we had that too11:11
SteveAit wouldn't be too difficult11:14
SteveAjust split the diff output into sections of files11:14
SteveAthen match files based on location against those categories11:14
SteveAand put the rest at the end11:14
salgadoor we could bzr diff on a set of directories11:15
salgadoand then join all diffs together11:15
salgadoin the order we want11:15
flacostethe problem is that some directories are contained in others11:16
flacosteand there is no way in saying diff that directory but not that one11:16
salgadoyeah, that'd be a problem, unless we have something like --exclude11:16
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