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| Ubugtu | New bug: #67036 in Ubuntu "Getting Started - a gripe" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/67036 | 01:00 |
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| nixternal | hey | 01:43 |
| nixternal | that bug 67036 | 01:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 67036 in Ubuntu "Getting Started - a gripe" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/67036 | 01:44 |
| nixternal | does this guy want us to write documentation that will show him how to burn an iso? | 01:44 |
| stelis | I love these bots | 01:44 |
| nixternal | are you telling me he is a windows user, and has never downloaded software illegally? | 01:44 |
| stelis | Yes | 01:44 |
| nixternal | wow | 01:44 |
| stelis | I've seen lots of requests like this | 01:45 |
| stelis | In Linux you double-click the ISO and the right thing happens | 01:45 |
| stelis | Windows folks may have one of several applications | 01:46 |
| stelis | I don't think that Windows does anything with ISOs by default | 01:46 |
| stelis | And many people don't know what to do with them | 01:46 |
| nixternal | ya, xp knows what to do | 01:46 |
| nixternal | and if you have a cd burner, and the software installed, it will know what to do as well | 01:47 |
| nixternal | i think maybe we should explain what an ISO is i guess in documentation | 01:47 |
| stelis | I'm sure somebody addressed this complaint in Fedora | 01:48 |
| stelis | I'll have a lot what was done | 01:48 |
| stelis | "look" | 01:48 |
| stelis | Overstimulated - Too many windows | 01:49 |
| stelis | Here we go: http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/install-guide/fc6/en/ch-preparing-media.html | 01:50 |
| stelis | But yeah, "what do I with these files" is a FAQ | 01:52 |
| jjesse | also referf him to the switching to windows guide | 01:52 |
| jjesse | i'm working on updating that bug :) | 01:52 |
| stelis | "Switching *To* Windows"? :) | 01:52 |
| jjesse | switching from windows | 01:53 |
| jjesse | ask nixternal i always get that switched around | 01:53 |
| stelis | Sorry, couldn't resist | 01:53 |
| jjesse | brb coffee break | 01:53 |
| jjesse | np stelis | 01:53 |
| jjesse | btw nice to meet you stelis | 01:53 |
| stelis | Cheers | 01:53 |
| nixternal | i rejected that bad mammajamma with a nice little, borderline CoC, statement | 01:54 |
| nixternal | arg jjesse | 01:54 |
| nixternal | haha | 01:54 |
| nixternal | i just applied my 2 cents to the bug | 01:54 |
| nixternal | fix it, but i also rejected it | 01:54 |
| stelis | That's a solid reply - congrats | 01:55 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 01:55 |
| nixternal | actually...checkt his | 01:56 |
| nixternal | this | 01:56 |
| stelis | A lot of people would have basically said "shouty. idiot" | 01:56 |
| nixternal | [18:55:37] <nixternal> that guy says we should have a "hand holding document to help windows users create bootable cds from the iso files they download" | 01:56 |
| nixternal | after i said that, i thought for a second...we could use something that explains the iso and what options someone has | 01:56 |
| nixternal | not so much hand holding, but finger pointing, to google, nero, and what other garbage is out there | 01:56 |
| stelis | A FAQ item might cover it | 01:58 |
| stelis | Rather than stuffing it into the main documentation | 01:59 |
| stelis | I would have offered some text, but... | 02:01 |
| stelis | My Windows installation went away | 02:01 |
| stelis | I've never gotten round to building another VM for it | 02:02 |
| nixternal | well, it can go in the install guide | 02:05 |
| stelis | True | 02:05 |
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| stelis | I'm starting think that the people most in need of help are the least likely to read long docs | 02:06 |
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| stelis | :( | 02:07 |
| nixternal | our docs are actually read quite a bit | 02:07 |
| nixternal | more than i ever imagined | 02:07 |
| bimberi | Discussing Bug 67036? | 02:07 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 67036 in ubuntu-doc "Getting Started - a gripe" [Wishlist,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/67036 | 02:07 |
| nixternal | once you do translations, you will see just how much they are read..because as soon as 1 translation is bonkers, you will get days worth of emails about it | 02:07 |
| nixternal | ya bimberi | 02:08 |
| bimberi | nixternal: perhaps the "Burning the ISO" section could be before the mirror lists on http://www.ubuntu.com/download | 02:08 |
| stelis | I was going to say: it's the bugs that cause people to speak up | 02:08 |
| nixternal | could be, or in teh installation manual...something for mdke to work out or burg | 02:08 |
| stelis | From far-away places... | 02:08 |
| nixternal | oh well, i need some food..bbiaf | 02:10 |
| stelis | ta-rah | 02:10 |
| bimberi | hm. It's my (probably flawed) thoughts on the usability. User goes to ubuntu.com, clicks on download, then clicks on their country but doesn't realise there's more on that download page | 02:11 |
| bimberi | f = flash? :) | 02:11 |
| stelis | You're ahead of me | 02:11 |
| stelis | I hadn't clocked that | 02:11 |
| bimberi | just not sure what the "f" in "bbiaf" was | 02:12 |
| stelis | I think that are right about the page | 02:12 |
| stelis | There are too many things on it really | 02:12 |
| stelis | The Mozilla site has some code that automatically guesses the best link to present | 02:13 |
| bimberi | Having "Ordering Pressed CDs" at the bottom is OK because there are links to "ShipIT - Free CDs" on the top right anyway | 02:13 |
| stelis | I agree | 02:14 |
| bimberi | And "Source Code" is about GPL compliance and not of that much interest to the masses - so fine at the bottom as well | 02:14 |
| stelis | Perhaps list a series of stps at the top of the page | 02:15 |
| stelis | "steps" | 02:15 |
| stelis | IIRC , www.opensuse.org has nice layout for this | 02:15 |
| stelis | 1) choose a download server, 2) find the right ISO etc. | 02:16 |
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| stelis | Don't work about it, it's not how a remember it | 02:17 |
| stelis | They've got a page with lots of words on it now | 02:18 |
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| stelis | If you like, I'll try to write up something and pastebin it for you | 02:19 |
| bimberi | s'ok thanks :) I've had a look | 02:20 |
| stelis | It used to have four steps in big letters | 02:20 |
| bimberi | yes, lots of words ... in some ways a bit too far the other way - annoying for those who "just want to get to the ISOs" | 02:21 |
| stelis | As I say, it's completely different from what I remembered | 02:22 |
| stelis | It used to be a really nice layout | 02:22 |
| stelis | :( | 02:22 |
| bimberi | yes, what you were describing sounded good | 02:23 |
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| nixternal | hey | 03:02 |
| nixternal | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto | 03:02 |
| nixternal | that kills that bug | 03:02 |
| Burgundavia | nixternal: that has existed for a long time | 03:17 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 03:17 |
| Burgundavia | I am not at home, sadly | 03:17 |
| Burgundavia | still at work | 03:17 |
| nixternal | eww | 03:22 |
| nixternal | hiya jsgotangco! | 03:22 |
| jsgotangco | how's it going mr. chicago | 03:22 |
| nixternal | it be goin' lil by lil | 03:23 |
| nixternal | doing homework now | 03:23 |
| nixternal | yay | 03:23 |
| jsgotangco | i have to prepare for work | 03:25 |
| jsgotangco | brb | 03:25 |
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| nixternal | svn commit -m "The Feisty Fawn - 7.04 is in the repos - sorry, I was iching to do this one ;)" | 06:21 |
| nixternal | Sending libs/global.ent | 06:21 |
| nixternal | there we go ;) | 06:21 |
| nixternal | yes, i know i spelt itching wrong | 06:21 |
| nixternal | btw, what is up with all the different "release notes" i seen in mailing lists today? | 06:21 |
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| bimberi | I've only just received the email from Tollef Hog Feen regarding proofing the RC Announcement | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | heh | 07:25 |
| LaserJock | just a tad late | 07:25 |
| bimberi | *Fog Heen | 07:29 |
| bimberi | there's goes my proofreading credentials right there | 07:30 |
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| mdke_ | nixternal: /win 11 | 09:20 |
| mdke_ | damn, sorry | 09:20 |
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| nixternal | lol | 09:23 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | why does the Makefile have "manual_release=etch" - why etch basicly? | 10:23 |
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| tonyyarusso | It seems that the search functions on h.u.c and w.u.c don't cross over between the two. | 12:49 |
| stelis | Burgundavia: I've written up that LDAP spec | 12:54 |
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| ToHellWithGA | http://694argonne.dyndns.org/Repartitioning.html | 06:14 |
| ToHellWithGA | i'm trying to work on a guide that explains to new users how to move something under / onto its own partition and mount it without wiping the data. | 06:15 |
| ToHellWithGA | if anybody would read over that page and send me suggestions on modifications using the email address provided i would appreciate it. | 06:15 |
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| ToHellWithGA | http://694argonne.dyndns.org.nyud.net:8080/Repartitioning.html as well since my computer may be resetting a few times soon | 06:46 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #67207 in ubuntu-docs "I had to kill postinst script of 6.10.2 to upgrade to 6.10.3" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/67207 | 08:30 |
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| pepsiman | I'm fixing the grammar in the contribute doc | 09:51 |
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| pepsiman | Can someone take a look at this patch to the contribute doc please http://rafb.net/paste/results/VWOXNm72.html | 10:43 |
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| mdke_ | pepsiman: can you send it to the ML, the maintainers will take a look | 11:17 |
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| pepsiman | mdke_: ok. the doc seems incomplete, has broken URLs, factual errors, grammar errors | 11:19 |
| mdke_ | oh dear | 11:21 |
| pepsiman | the patch doesn't fix everything, just points them out | 11:21 |
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