[01:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #67036 in Ubuntu "Getting Started - a gripe" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67036
[01:43] <nixternal> hey
[01:44] <nixternal> that bug 67036
[01:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67036 in Ubuntu "Getting Started - a gripe" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67036
[01:44] <nixternal> does this guy want us to write documentation that will show him how to burn an iso?
[01:44] <stelis> I love these bots
[01:44] <nixternal> are you telling me he is a windows user, and has never downloaded software illegally?
[01:44] <stelis> Yes
[01:44] <nixternal> wow
[01:45] <stelis> I've seen lots of requests like this
[01:45] <stelis> In Linux you double-click the ISO and the right thing happens
[01:46] <stelis> Windows folks may have one of several applications 
[01:46] <stelis> I don't think that Windows does anything with ISOs by default
[01:46] <stelis> And many people don't know what to do with them
[01:46] <nixternal> ya, xp knows what to do
[01:47] <nixternal> and if you have a cd burner, and the software installed, it will know what to do as well
[01:47] <nixternal> i think maybe we should explain what an ISO is i guess in documentation
[01:48] <stelis> I'm sure somebody addressed this complaint in Fedora
[01:48] <stelis> I'll have a lot what was done
[01:48] <stelis> "look"
[01:49] <stelis> Overstimulated - Too many windows
[01:50] <stelis> Here we go: http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/install-guide/fc6/en/ch-preparing-media.html
[01:52] <stelis> But yeah, "what do I with these files" is a FAQ
[01:52] <jjesse> also referf him to the switching to windows guide
[01:52] <jjesse> i'm working on updating that bug :)
[01:52] <stelis> "Switching *To* Windows"? :)
[01:53] <jjesse> switching from windows
[01:53] <jjesse> ask nixternal i always get that switched around
[01:53] <stelis> Sorry, couldn't resist
[01:53] <jjesse> brb coffee break
[01:53] <jjesse> np stelis
[01:53] <jjesse> btw nice to meet you stelis
[01:53] <stelis> Cheers
[01:54] <nixternal> i rejected that bad mammajamma with a nice little, borderline CoC, statement
[01:54] <nixternal> arg jjesse
[01:54] <nixternal> haha
[01:54] <nixternal> i just applied my 2 cents to the bug
[01:54] <nixternal> fix it, but i also rejected it
[01:55] <stelis> That's a solid reply - congrats
[01:55] <nixternal> hrmm
[01:56] <nixternal> actually...checkt his
[01:56] <nixternal> this
[01:56] <stelis> A lot of people would have basically said "shouty. idiot"
[01:56] <nixternal> [18:55:37]  <nixternal> that guy says we should have a "hand holding document to help windows users create bootable cds from the iso files they download"
[01:56] <nixternal> after i said that, i thought for a second...we could use something that explains the iso and what options someone has
[01:56] <nixternal> not so much hand holding, but finger pointing, to google, nero, and what other garbage is out there
[01:58] <stelis> A FAQ item might cover it
[01:59] <stelis> Rather than stuffing it into  the main documentation
[02:01] <stelis> I would have offered some text, but...
[02:01] <stelis> My Windows installation went away
[02:02] <stelis> I've never gotten round to building another VM for it
[02:05] <nixternal> well, it can go in the install guide
[02:05] <stelis> True
[02:06] <stelis> I'm starting think that the people most in need of help are the least likely to read long docs
[02:07] <stelis> :(
[02:07] <nixternal> our docs are actually read quite a bit
[02:07] <nixternal> more than i ever imagined
[02:07] <bimberi> Discussing Bug 67036?
[02:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67036 in ubuntu-doc "Getting Started - a gripe" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67036
[02:07] <nixternal> once you do translations, you will see just how much they are read..because as soon as 1 translation is bonkers, you will get days worth of emails about it
[02:08] <nixternal> ya bimberi
[02:08] <bimberi> nixternal: perhaps the "Burning the ISO" section could be before the mirror lists on http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[02:08] <stelis> I was going to say: it's the bugs that cause people to speak up
[02:08] <nixternal> could be, or in teh installation manual...something for mdke to work out or burg
[02:08] <stelis> From far-away places...
[02:10] <nixternal> oh well, i need some food..bbiaf
[02:10] <stelis> ta-rah
[02:11] <bimberi> hm.  It's my (probably flawed) thoughts on the usability.  User goes to ubuntu.com, clicks on download, then clicks on their country but doesn't realise there's more on that download page
[02:11] <bimberi> f = flash? :)
[02:11] <stelis> You're ahead of me
[02:11] <stelis> I hadn't clocked that
[02:12] <bimberi> just not sure what the "f" in "bbiaf" was
[02:12] <stelis> I think that are right about the page
[02:12] <stelis> There are too many things on it really
[02:13] <stelis> The Mozilla site has some code that automatically guesses the best link to present
[02:13] <bimberi> Having "Ordering Pressed CDs" at the bottom is OK because there are links to "ShipIT - Free CDs" on the top right anyway
[02:14] <stelis> I agree
[02:14] <bimberi> And "Source Code" is about GPL compliance and not of that much interest to the masses - so fine at the bottom as well
[02:15] <stelis> Perhaps list a series of stps at the top of the page
[02:15] <stelis> "steps"
[02:15] <stelis> IIRC , www.opensuse.org has nice layout for this
[02:16] <stelis> 1) choose a download server, 2) find the right ISO etc. 
[02:17] <stelis> Don't work about it, it's not how a remember it
[02:18] <stelis> They've got a page with lots of words on it now
[02:19] <stelis> If you like, I'll try to write up something and pastebin it for you
[02:20] <bimberi> s'ok thanks :)  I've had a look
[02:20] <stelis> It used to have four steps in big letters
[02:21] <bimberi> yes, lots of words ... in some ways a bit too far the other way - annoying for those who "just want to get to the ISOs"
[02:22] <stelis> As I say, it's completely different from what I remembered
[02:22] <stelis> It used to be a really nice layout
[02:22] <stelis> :(
[02:23] <bimberi> yes, what you were describing sounded good
[03:02] <nixternal> hey
[03:02] <nixternal> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[03:02] <nixternal> that kills that bug
[03:17] <Burgundavia> nixternal: that has existed for a long time
[03:17] <jsgotangco> hey
[03:17] <Burgundavia> I am not at home, sadly
[03:17] <Burgundavia> still at work
[03:22] <nixternal> eww
[03:22] <nixternal> hiya jsgotangco!
[03:22] <jsgotangco> how's it going mr. chicago
[03:23] <nixternal> it be goin' lil by lil
[03:23] <nixternal> doing homework now
[03:23] <nixternal> yay
[03:25] <jsgotangco> i have to prepare for work
[03:25] <jsgotangco> brb
[06:21] <nixternal> svn commit -m "The Feisty Fawn - 7.04 is in the repos - sorry, I was iching to do this one ;)"
[06:21] <nixternal> Sending        libs/global.ent
[06:21] <nixternal> there we go ;)
[06:21] <nixternal> yes, i know i spelt itching wrong
[06:21] <nixternal> btw, what is up with all the different "release notes" i seen in mailing lists today?
[07:23] <bimberi> I've only just received the email from Tollef Hog Feen regarding proofing the RC Announcement
[07:25] <LaserJock> heh
[07:25] <LaserJock> just a tad late
[07:29] <bimberi> *Fog Heen
[07:30] <bimberi> there's goes my proofreading credentials right there
[09:20] <mdke_> nixternal: /win 11
[09:20] <mdke_> damn, sorry
[09:23] <nixternal> lol
[10:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> why does the Makefile have "manual_release=etch" - why etch basicly?
[12:49] <tonyyarusso> It seems that the search functions on h.u.c and w.u.c don't cross over between the two.
[12:54] <stelis> Burgundavia: I've written up that LDAP spec
[06:14] <ToHellWithGA> http://694argonne.dyndns.org/Repartitioning.html
[06:15] <ToHellWithGA> i'm trying to work on a guide that explains to new users how to move something under / onto its own partition and mount it without wiping the data.
[06:15] <ToHellWithGA> if anybody would read over that page and send me suggestions on modifications using the email address provided i would appreciate it.
[06:46] <ToHellWithGA> http://694argonne.dyndns.org.nyud.net:8080/Repartitioning.html as well since my computer may be resetting a few times soon
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #67207 in ubuntu-docs "I had to kill postinst script of 6.10.2 to upgrade to 6.10.3" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67207
[09:51] <pepsiman> I'm fixing the grammar in the contribute doc
[10:43] <pepsiman> Can someone take a look at this patch to the contribute doc please  http://rafb.net/paste/results/VWOXNm72.html
[11:17] <mdke_> pepsiman: can you send it to the ML, the maintainers will take a look
[11:19] <pepsiman> mdke_: ok.  the doc seems incomplete, has broken URLs, factual errors, grammar errors
[11:21] <mdke_> oh dear
[11:21] <pepsiman> the patch doesn't fix everything, just points them out