=== tonyyarusso [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [i=user@69-87-142-45.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:00] New bug: #67036 in Ubuntu "Getting Started - a gripe" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/67036 === rob [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jono [n=jono@88-107-14-218.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:43] hey [01:44] that bug 67036 [01:44] Malone bug 67036 in Ubuntu "Getting Started - a gripe" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/67036 [01:44] does this guy want us to write documentation that will show him how to burn an iso? [01:44] I love these bots [01:44] are you telling me he is a windows user, and has never downloaded software illegally? [01:44] Yes [01:44] wow [01:45] I've seen lots of requests like this [01:45] In Linux you double-click the ISO and the right thing happens [01:46] Windows folks may have one of several applications [01:46] I don't think that Windows does anything with ISOs by default [01:46] And many people don't know what to do with them [01:46] ya, xp knows what to do [01:47] and if you have a cd burner, and the software installed, it will know what to do as well [01:47] i think maybe we should explain what an ISO is i guess in documentation [01:48] I'm sure somebody addressed this complaint in Fedora [01:48] I'll have a lot what was done [01:48] "look" [01:49] Overstimulated - Too many windows [01:50] Here we go: http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/install-guide/fc6/en/ch-preparing-media.html [01:52] But yeah, "what do I with these files" is a FAQ [01:52] also referf him to the switching to windows guide [01:52] i'm working on updating that bug :) [01:52] "Switching *To* Windows"? :) [01:53] switching from windows [01:53] ask nixternal i always get that switched around [01:53] Sorry, couldn't resist [01:53] brb coffee break [01:53] np stelis [01:53] btw nice to meet you stelis [01:53] Cheers [01:54] i rejected that bad mammajamma with a nice little, borderline CoC, statement [01:54] arg jjesse [01:54] haha [01:54] i just applied my 2 cents to the bug [01:54] fix it, but i also rejected it [01:55] That's a solid reply - congrats [01:55] hrmm [01:56] actually...checkt his [01:56] this [01:56] A lot of people would have basically said "shouty. idiot" [01:56] [18:55:37] that guy says we should have a "hand holding document to help windows users create bootable cds from the iso files they download" [01:56] after i said that, i thought for a second...we could use something that explains the iso and what options someone has [01:56] not so much hand holding, but finger pointing, to google, nero, and what other garbage is out there [01:58] A FAQ item might cover it [01:59] Rather than stuffing it into the main documentation [02:01] I would have offered some text, but... [02:01] My Windows installation went away [02:02] I've never gotten round to building another VM for it [02:05] well, it can go in the install guide [02:05] True === bimberi [n=dave@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:06] I'm starting think that the people most in need of help are the least likely to read long docs === highvoltage [n=jonathan@196.1.61.12] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:07] :( [02:07] our docs are actually read quite a bit [02:07] more than i ever imagined [02:07] Discussing Bug 67036? [02:07] Malone bug 67036 in ubuntu-doc "Getting Started - a gripe" [Wishlist,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/67036 [02:07] once you do translations, you will see just how much they are read..because as soon as 1 translation is bonkers, you will get days worth of emails about it [02:08] ya bimberi [02:08] nixternal: perhaps the "Burning the ISO" section could be before the mirror lists on http://www.ubuntu.com/download [02:08] I was going to say: it's the bugs that cause people to speak up [02:08] could be, or in teh installation manual...something for mdke to work out or burg [02:08] From far-away places... [02:10] oh well, i need some food..bbiaf [02:10] ta-rah [02:11] hm. It's my (probably flawed) thoughts on the usability. User goes to ubuntu.com, clicks on download, then clicks on their country but doesn't realise there's more on that download page [02:11] f = flash? :) [02:11] You're ahead of me [02:11] I hadn't clocked that [02:12] just not sure what the "f" in "bbiaf" was [02:12] I think that are right about the page [02:12] There are too many things on it really [02:13] The Mozilla site has some code that automatically guesses the best link to present [02:13] Having "Ordering Pressed CDs" at the bottom is OK because there are links to "ShipIT - Free CDs" on the top right anyway [02:14] I agree [02:14] And "Source Code" is about GPL compliance and not of that much interest to the masses - so fine at the bottom as well [02:15] Perhaps list a series of stps at the top of the page [02:15] "steps" [02:15] IIRC , www.opensuse.org has nice layout for this [02:16] 1) choose a download server, 2) find the right ISO etc. === bimberi looks (on his v e r y s l o w dialup link :| ) === trappist [i=trappist@linuxkungfu.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:17] Don't work about it, it's not how a remember it [02:18] They've got a page with lots of words on it now === jjesse [i=user@69-87-142-45.async.iserv.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [02:19] If you like, I'll try to write up something and pastebin it for you [02:20] s'ok thanks :) I've had a look [02:20] It used to have four steps in big letters [02:21] yes, lots of words ... in some ways a bit too far the other way - annoying for those who "just want to get to the ISOs" [02:22] As I say, it's completely different from what I remembered [02:22] It used to be a really nice layout [02:22] :( [02:23] yes, what you were describing sounded good === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:02] hey [03:02] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto [03:02] that kills that bug [03:17] nixternal: that has existed for a long time [03:17] hey [03:17] I am not at home, sadly [03:17] still at work [03:22] eww [03:22] hiya jsgotangco! [03:22] how's it going mr. chicago [03:23] it be goin' lil by lil [03:23] doing homework now [03:23] yay [03:25] i have to prepare for work [03:25] brb === jjesse [i=user@69-87-142-45.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:21] svn commit -m "The Feisty Fawn - 7.04 is in the repos - sorry, I was iching to do this one ;)" [06:21] Sending libs/global.ent [06:21] there we go ;) [06:21] yes, i know i spelt itching wrong [06:21] btw, what is up with all the different "release notes" i seen in mailing lists today? === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bimberi_ [n=dave@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bimberi_ is now known as bimberi === bimberi glares at his email forwarding [07:23] I've only just received the email from Tollef Hog Feen regarding proofing the RC Announcement [07:25] heh [07:25] just a tad late [07:29] *Fog Heen [07:30] there's goes my proofreading credentials right there === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:20] nixternal: /win 11 [09:20] damn, sorry === mdke_ rubs open his eyes [09:23] lol === jono [n=jono@88-107-14-218.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:23] why does the Makefile have "manual_release=etch" - why etch basicly? === highvoltage [n=jonathan@196.1.61.12] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _froud_ [n=froud@dsl-145-1-48.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:49] It seems that the search functions on h.u.c and w.u.c don't cross over between the two. 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[06:15] if anybody would read over that page and send me suggestions on modifications using the email address provided i would appreciate it. === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:46] http://694argonne.dyndns.org.nyud.net:8080/Repartitioning.html as well since my computer may be resetting a few times soon === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke__ [n=matt@85-210-255-245.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:30] New bug: #67207 in ubuntu-docs "I had to kill postinst script of 6.10.2 to upgrade to 6.10.3" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/67207 === RichJ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === RichJ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=mario@83-131-9-158.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === RichJ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Plug [n=crb@203.167.190.117] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-86-98.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:51] I'm fixing the grammar in the contribute doc === pygi [n=mario@83-131-13-101.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@d235-240-148.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@modemcable041.216-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:43] Can someone take a look at this patch to the contribute doc please http://rafb.net/paste/results/VWOXNm72.html === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:17] pepsiman: can you send it to the ML, the maintainers will take a look === jenda` [n=jenda@195.47.80.185.adsl.nextra.cz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:19] mdke_: ok. the doc seems incomplete, has broken URLs, factual errors, grammar errors [11:21] oh dear [11:21] the patch doesn't fix everything, just points them out === rob [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [i=user@69-87-139-49.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc