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| Nafallo | I... LOVE... bzr :-) | 01:40 |
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| Nafallo | hi Hobbsee :-) | 01:54 |
| Hobbsee | hey Nafallo | 01:54 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, my boss just came down but I don't know that he noticed that I was not running OS X | 01:56 |
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| Nafallo | Hobbsee_: wb :-) | 01:57 |
| Hobbsee_ | heya :) | 01:58 |
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| Hobbsee | hhe | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | my connectoin has sucked the past couple of days | 01:59 |
| Nafallo | does look like that yes... | 02:00 |
| Nafallo | Hobbsee: we're only supposed to work on UNMETDEPS now? :-P | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | Nafallo: and fix bugs. | 02:03 |
| Nafallo | *puuh* | 02:04 |
| Nafallo | that list looked boring :-) | 02:04 |
| imbrandon | heh its not /all/ fun ;P | 02:05 |
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| Nafallo | and probably has false positives... how can bonfire have an unmet dep? it's a dummy package ffs :-P | 02:05 |
| imbrandon | heh doesnt mena all the packages it depends on are installable ;) | 02:06 |
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| Hobbsee | bonfire never built to begin with did it? | 02:07 |
| Nafallo | damnit. I HAVE to get my pbuilder.unionfs branch up-to-date soon... | 02:08 |
| Nafallo | lol | 02:09 |
| Nafallo | bonfire doesn't install indeed :-P | 02:09 |
| Nafallo | slomo: what did you think of? :-) | 02:09 |
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| Nafallo | Hobbsee: it did. on all arches. | 02:32 |
| Nafallo | Hobbsee: ah. right. now I follow :-) | 02:32 |
| Nafallo | Hobbsee: you think we should drop the dummy? | 02:32 |
| Hobbsee | Nafallo: i dont know. | 02:32 |
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| Nafallo | I think slomo said something about that dummy being for the inofficial repos which had bonfire or something like that... | 02:33 |
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| Nafallo | ajmitch: can I get a general upload exception for UNMETDEPS? :-) | 02:35 |
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| ajmitch | that's crackful - there are all sorts of fixes needed | 02:37 |
| Nafallo | alright. brasero then? :-) | 02:37 |
| Nafallo | Depends: brasero (>= 0.4.4-0ubuntu1) instead of -1 on the dummy. | 02:38 |
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| ajmitch | should be ok | 02:39 |
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| Nafallo | criawips needs libgoffice-1, we have -0. *sighs* | 03:00 |
| Nafallo | ajmitch: bug #65451 says you are fixing it? :-) | 03:04 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65451 in gnomesword "[UNMETDEPS] gnomesword has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65451 | 03:04 |
| ajmitch | yes? | 03:05 |
| Nafallo | then I can ignore that one then :-) | 03:05 |
| Nafallo | I'll set it to in progress and assign it then :-) | 03:06 |
| LaserJock | Nafallo: that's stinks about criawips, I needed libgoffice-1 for gchemutils too | 03:06 |
| LaserJock | but gnumeric needs the latest goffice so that's what we got | 03:07 |
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| Nafallo | LaserJock: if we find enough stuff we might need to try to sync it? :-/ | 03:07 |
| LaserJock | we can't -0 is newer then -1 :-) | 03:07 |
| Nafallo | ehm. _that_ sounds like crack. | 03:08 |
| LaserJock | we got -0 from Debian experimental | 03:08 |
| Nafallo | *sigh* | 03:08 |
| Nafallo | WONTFIX? ;-) | 03:08 |
| LaserJock | basically | 03:08 |
| LaserJock | for edgy at least | 03:08 |
| LaserJock | the gchemutils developer also contributes to goffice | 03:09 |
| LaserJock | and he said that -0 is fairly unstable | 03:09 |
| LaserJock | (hence why it's been in experimental for a few months) | 03:09 |
| hub | fortunately we did not release abiword yet | 03:09 |
| hub | it depends on it too | 03:09 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 03:09 |
| LaserJock | I was going to see if we could have both versions some how | 03:10 |
| LaserJock | but it's just a tad late for edgy ;-) | 03:10 |
| Nafallo | I rejected it :-) | 03:10 |
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| LaserJock | but I don't know what I'm going to do with gchemutils in Edgy+1 | 03:13 |
| Nafallo | bddebian: hi :-) | 03:13 |
| LaserJock | I guess I'll try to patch it to work with -0 | 03:13 |
| Nafallo | LaserJock: we'll just have to see what will happen then :-) | 03:13 |
| bddebian | Heya Nafallo | 03:13 |
| bddebian | and LaserJock :) | 03:14 |
| Nafallo | bddebian: are you going to squash some UNMETDEPS? :-) | 03:14 |
| ajmitch | Nafallo: silly question, of course he will | 03:15 |
| Nafallo | in that case I'm pondering what the bed might do to me ;-) | 03:16 |
| ajmitch | for every upload, please put the changelog entry for the upload on the bug | 03:16 |
| ajmitch | so that it's easy to approve | 03:16 |
| Nafallo | Fri Oct 20 03:16:26 CEST 2006 | 03:16 |
| Nafallo | ah, oki | 03:16 |
| Nafallo | so we can't just ask you and get approved? :-) | 03:16 |
| ajmitch | no, because I may not be around | 03:17 |
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| Nafallo | when you are I meant? | 03:17 |
| ajmitch | I still want stuff on the bug please :) | 03:17 |
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| ajmitch | since I have to talk to archive admins when they're around | 03:18 |
| ajmitch | a bit too complex I think | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm. core duo's dont seem to work on edgy - this one at least | 03:19 |
| Nafallo | hmm, I wonder what bug I closed then... :-P | 03:19 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: got a new laptop now? | 03:20 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, core duo or core 2 duo ? | 03:21 |
| imbrandon | core 2 duo has an kernel pannic a while back but i thought it was fixed up | 03:21 |
| Nafallo | I like torrentflux upstream... he can't receive mail from me :-/ | 03:21 |
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| ajmitch | more Hobbsee_ | 03:22 |
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| Hobbsee | indeed. | 03:23 |
| LaserJock | I think I have a core2 duo on this iMac | 03:23 |
| LaserJock | or maybe I don't | 03:23 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: as I asked, new laptop? | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: thinking about it, i stole dads | 03:23 |
| ajmitch | ah | 03:23 |
| ajmitch | your one not quite melted down then? | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | (sorry, connection lagged) | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | heh. yeah, well. i got it up to 87C again a couple of weeks ago | 03:24 |
| ajmitch | that's not bad | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | no way. dad's will boot to a dapper final cd, but not an edgy knot 1 | 03:24 |
| ajmitch | I used to get my desktop box up to 93C before it would shutdown | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | that's just crazy | 03:24 |
| ajmitch | that box is dead now, of course | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: the one thing that's suprising me - this laptop isnt hot from general running :P | 03:25 |
| Hobbsee | yes, dad knows iv'e "borrowed" his laptop | 03:25 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, there was some issues with kernel pannics early in edgy, try an RC cd | 03:25 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: grab the RC release | 03:25 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: i'd prefer not to download one :P | 03:25 |
| Hobbsee | but i could do that | 03:25 |
| Hobbsee | network controller: intel corporation: unknown device 4222 | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | that doesnt sound good | 03:28 |
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| superjon | I just created a package using pbuilder build... and can't find the resulting deb | 03:31 |
| superjon | Where do I look? | 03:31 |
| imbrandon | in /var/cache/pbuilder/result if you dident change the defaults | 03:32 |
| superjon | find ~/packages/network-manager-vpnc -name '*.deb' doesn't give me anything | 03:32 |
| superjon | I looked there and it's empty | 03:32 |
| superjon | But $? of pbuilder build was 0 | 03:32 |
| imbrandon | well then look at the path its pointing to in your pbuilderrc | 03:33 |
| superjon | Thanks, that was it | 03:33 |
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| imbrandon | wb Hobbsee | 03:34 |
| Hobbsee | NEAT~ | 03:35 |
| Hobbsee | wifi works :) | 03:35 |
| ajmitch | good | 03:35 |
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| zul | tsk...shakira | 03:39 |
| Nafallo | libtulip-qt4-2.0-dev: Depends: libtulip-qt-2.0c2a but it is not installable <-- s/qt/qt4/ ;-). okey to upload if I add a comment on the bug I close? :-) | 03:39 |
| Nafallo | ajmitch: ^ :-) | 03:40 |
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| imbrandon | lol | 03:41 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 03:41 |
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| ajmitch | Nafallo: go on | 03:42 |
| Nafallo | ajmitch: thanks :-) | 03:43 |
| zul | is it just me or does the hotel doesnt have wireielss? | 03:51 |
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| imbrandon | I might not have a pony but i have a deer http://federation.imbrandon.com/FeistyFawn.png | 04:03 |
| ajmitch | mmm, venison | 04:03 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 04:03 |
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| zul | yeah watch canonical be sued from disney | 04:04 |
| Nafallo | lol | 04:05 |
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| Toadstool | hey everybody | 04:11 |
| Nafallo | hej Toadstool | 04:13 |
| Toadstool | hi Nafallo | 04:13 |
| Nafallo | oops, swedish :-P | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | heya | 04:13 |
| Toadstool | Hobbsee: \o/ | 04:13 |
| imbrandon | ello Toadstool | 04:14 |
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| Toadstool | hey imbrandon | 04:14 |
| Nafallo | ehrm.. | 04:16 |
| Nafallo | where the hell did we get cinepaint 0.20-1-2 from? | 04:17 |
| Nafallo | debian has 0.20-1-1.3 | 04:17 |
| Toadstool | Nafallo: maybe someone who did a dch -i without updating to 1.3ubuntu1 instead of 2 | 04:19 |
| ajmitch | most likely | 04:19 |
| ajmitch | uh oh | 04:20 |
| Nafallo | looks like it | 04:20 |
| imbrandon | how the hell did it get -1-1.3 anyhow shouldent it have been just -1.3 | 04:20 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: depends on the upstream version | 04:21 |
| Nafallo | imbrandon: upstream 0.20-1? | 04:21 |
| Toadstool | imbrandon: maybe upstream version is 0.20-1 :) | 04:21 |
| Nafallo | three answers ;-) | 04:21 |
| Nafallo | most be true :-) | 04:21 |
| Toadstool | heh | 04:21 |
| Nafallo | baah. I wish it hadn't built in dapper, but it has :-P | 04:23 |
| ajmitch | yep | 04:23 |
| Nafallo | I'll just try to build the damn thing against the new libgutenprintui then. and add a comment about this in the changelog :-) | 04:24 |
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| Nafallo | Fri Oct 20 04:32:35 CEST 2006 | 04:32 |
| Nafallo | last bug before sleep now ;-) | 04:32 |
| Nafallo | in this time I will listen to myself I hope :-) | 04:33 |
| Nafallo | s/in/and/ | 04:34 |
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| Nafallo | I hope this bug is a quick fix... | 04:43 |
| Nafallo | my nose tells me to go to bed I think... nosebleed etc... | 04:43 |
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| Nafallo | FTBFS | 04:46 |
| Nafallo | gnight all | 04:46 |
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| tuxmaniac | Has edgy RC been released? | 05:23 |
| ajmitch | yes | 05:23 |
| tuxmaniac | boohoo.. An upgrade done. But my nice Human Theme (with brown tinges) which were present durng the BETA release has been replaced by the old Human theme :| | 05:29 |
| tuxmaniac | I mean Human Circle | 05:29 |
| tuxmaniac | during login | 05:30 |
| tuxmaniac | Ugh! Even the splash scren has been changed :-| | 05:31 |
| imbrandon | tuxmaniac, yea ubuntu artwork was reverted | 05:33 |
| imbrandon | ( not kubuntu or xubuntu or edubuntu ) | 05:33 |
| tuxmaniac | imbrandon> Oh ok. Any reasons? IMO they were looking cool | 05:34 |
| imbrandon | tuxmaniac, basicly it boiled down to sabdfl wasent happy with it and said he would rather have the old then a crappy ( in his opinion ) new | 05:34 |
| imbrandon | more details on the -art ML | 05:34 |
| tuxmaniac | imbrandon> Ugh oh | 05:35 |
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| LaserJock | they are planning on having new artwork I think | 05:37 |
| ajmitch | we can hope | 05:37 |
| ajmitch | they've got a few hours to get it done | 05:37 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, the deadline is in a few hours | 05:38 |
| tuxmaniac | LaserJock> Hi man.. Looks like the edgy science packages are quite stable :D | 05:38 |
| LaserJock | tuxmaniac: a bit yes. I think | 05:39 |
| imbrandon | hum anyone know if there are powerpc computers for workstation/desktpop from IMB ( other than apples ) | 05:39 |
| LaserJock | what is the deadline? | 05:39 |
| imbrandon | IBM* | 05:39 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, 12UTC today iirc ( maybe it was RC release, i know it was close ) | 05:39 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, well they contacted the doc team to say that they were changing the artwork | 05:41 |
| ajmitch | more last-minute changes | 05:42 |
| imbrandon | ugh i hate command line gpg , whats the quick way to decrypt a file | 05:44 |
| LaserJock | gpg -d ? | 05:45 |
| tuxmaniac | "Could not access GDM configuration file" Any idea why this error is happening. I have my gdm.conf file in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf. But wehn i do a sudo gdmsetup this is the error | 05:46 |
| tuxmaniac | This is after the upgrade I did recentl | 05:46 |
| tuxmaniac | err.. I can see some similar bugs bug 62342 | 05:50 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 62342 in gdm "gdmgreeter Failed to connect to socket" [Undecided,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/62342 | 05:50 |
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| joejaxx | LaserJock: are you around? | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: kinda yeah | 06:28 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: do you know how much space installed whould all the *-dev verions of the packages on the current ubuntu cd take up? | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | heh, nope | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | a fair amount | 06:30 |
| joejaxx | too bad i cannot do : sudo apt-get install *-deev | 06:30 |
| joejaxx | *-dev :P | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | well, that's not a normal thing to do | 06:30 |
| joejaxx | yeah | 06:30 |
| minghua | actually the part you usually need in -dev package is a very small portion size-wise :-( | 06:31 |
| joejaxx | i will probably go through and pick out the core dev packages that are needed for compiling building programming etc | 06:31 |
| joejaxx | minghua: ? | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: what are you trying to do? | 06:32 |
| minghua | joejaxx: you usually only need the .so symlinks and the .h headers, but the part that needs most space in a -dev pacakage is the .a static librarys | 06:33 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: trying to build a list of the most needed dev packages | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | needed by whom? | 06:34 |
| joejaxx | me | 06:34 |
| joejaxx | i know obvious stuff like xserver-dev | 06:35 |
| joejaxx | and the linux headers etc | 06:35 |
| minghua | $ du -sh | 06:37 |
| minghua | 7.9M . | 06:37 |
| minghua | $ find . -name "*.a" -exec rm {} \; | 06:37 |
| minghua | $ du -sh | 06:37 |
| minghua | 2.0M . | 06:37 |
| minghua | joejaxx: that's an example for you, libgtk2.0-dev in dapper | 06:37 |
| joejaxx | oh ok | 06:39 |
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| imbrandon | ... | 07:03 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: ? | 07:04 |
| imbrandon | gftp is gonna make me throw this laptop accross the room | 07:05 |
| minghua | try a different ftp client, then | 07:08 |
| minghua | filezilla just entered debian unstable | 07:09 |
| TheMuso | lftp FTW! | 07:14 |
| imbrandon | mc FTW | 07:27 |
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| TheMuso | Does mc do FTP? | 07:39 |
| imbrandon | yup | 07:40 |
| imbrandon | on either side, or both | 07:40 |
| TheMuso | Ah. But does it do https? | 07:41 |
| imbrandon | dunno never tried | 07:48 |
| TheMuso | Heh. Lftp can. | 07:49 |
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| imbrandon | well i only have to ftp to art.u.c so i dont do it often | 07:56 |
| imbrandon | hopefully i can get by with mc ;) | 07:56 |
| imbrandon | ( and not have to learn something else ) | 07:57 |
| imbrandon | wow this convo is going as fast as email | 07:57 |
| imbrandon | lol | 07:57 |
| TheMuso | hh | 08:03 |
| TheMuso | heh | 08:03 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: Do you get shaped, or must you pay extra for any quota over? | 08:03 |
| ajmitch | pay extra | 08:03 |
| TheMuso | Ouch. | 08:03 |
| TheMuso | Do you have any sites or content that is quota free? | 08:03 |
| ajmitch | ok, just killed X | 08:03 |
| ajmitch | nope, none at all | 08:03 |
| TheMuso | That must suck. | 08:04 |
| TheMuso | I at least have a quota free mirror for most Linux stuff, Ubuntu included. | 08:04 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 08:04 |
| ajmitch | we used to | 08:04 |
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| viviersf | elo ajmitch | 08:47 |
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| ajmitch | hey viviersf | 08:49 |
| ajmitch | how's it going? | 08:49 |
| viviersf | going well just playing around with some thing | 08:51 |
| viviersf | there ? | 08:51 |
| ajmitch | fun | 08:51 |
| viviersf | lol | 08:51 |
| viviersf | tell me how does a backport work ? does some1 request a backport or what ? | 08:51 |
| ajmitch | yeah, a bug is opened against dapper-backports | 08:51 |
| viviersf | kay | 08:51 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, what are my chances of getting a UVFe for a rather obscure package at this stage? It won't start at all, the latest version (released 3 years ago) works fine. | 09:04 |
| ajmitch | what is the package, what are the changes? | 09:08 |
| ajmitch | if it doesn't start now, then you're not likely to break it any worse than it already is | 09:08 |
| Fujitsu | transcalc, and that's what I thought... It can't get any more broken, plus this new one uses GTK2 and actually works. | 09:09 |
| Fujitsu | The changes are fairly large, however... | 09:10 |
| ajmitch | file a bug anyway & explain your case | 09:10 |
| Fujitsu | There's already a bug filed, but I'll put the appropriate UVFe stuff on there shortly. | 09:10 |
| ajmitch | ok | 09:10 |
| Fujitsu | As you say, it can't break any worse than it already is. | 09:10 |
| imbrandon | anyone interested in some 1U rackmount servers? someone in my lug just offered them up for $200 ( has over 100 to sell ) , i can forward the email to anyone interested | 09:11 |
| imbrandon | ( rough specs, email has more, but p4 2.8ghz 80gig hdd 256mbram ) | 09:11 |
| Fujitsu | Not bad. | 09:12 |
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| imbrandon | yea , looks like a good deal, bunch of cluster nodes from an isp going out of business localy looks like | 09:12 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: I'd love to, but shipping would be more than the servers | 09:14 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, the shipping costs would be absolutely insane! | 09:14 |
| imbrandon | well i could always bring one or two to mtv if you really wanted one heh | 09:14 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I can't quite fit it in my suitcase ;) | 09:15 |
| imbrandon | wouldent want to bring 50 or some such hehe | 09:15 |
| imbrandon | yea thats what i was thinking | 09:15 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 09:15 |
| Fujitsu | I'll be back in a bit, attacking this with a bigger HDD (which I obtained from an old school computer)... | 09:16 |
| imbrandon | man ftp is so slow, i wish i just had ssh access to the DC heh | 09:16 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, cool | 09:16 |
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| imbrandon | LOL | 09:16 |
| imbrandon | on one drive in the school? no raid ? | 09:17 |
| imbrandon | s/on/only | 09:17 |
| Fujitsu | RAID 5. | 09:17 |
| imbrandon | ahh , they will never miss one from the array ( snickers ) | 09:17 |
| imbrandon | well actualy only 3 they would miss one | 09:17 |
| Fujitsu | Heheh, I don't think anybody other than me would notice. The proper technicians don't regularly check the servers :P | 09:17 |
| Fujitsu | If you lose one from RAID 5, you're fine. | 09:18 |
| imbrandon | well yea but if there was 7 or 10 in the array it would be nicer | 09:18 |
| Fujitsu | True. | 09:18 |
| Fujitsu | Well, see you shortly! Hopefully the RC installer won't explode on me. | 09:18 |
| imbrandon | yea i'm installing RC on my laptop right now | 09:19 |
| imbrandon | hum i wonder if i should leave 5 gigs for osx | 09:19 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: no | 09:20 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia, ;P | 09:21 |
| fdoving | imbrandon: no. | 09:22 |
| fdoving | if you remove it i'll remove my osx partition too. it's just a waste of space anyway. I have it installed but i never use it. | 09:23 |
| imbrandon | sounds like a deal | 09:23 |
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| fdoving | I'll have to reboot to a livecd, and do some magic. | 09:25 |
| imbrandon | yea i'm installing from RC so its not so bad | 09:26 |
| imbrandon | just backup my /etc/network/interfaces and go | 09:27 |
| imbrandon | ( for easy wep keys recovery ) | 09:27 |
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| fdoving | brb.. livecd :] | 09:27 |
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| imbrandon | wow the live cd has lots of atrifacts | 09:43 |
| imbrandon | artifacts* | 09:43 |
| imbrandon | wonder if it detected the wrong video driver ( the previous edgy install worked ok ) | 09:44 |
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| imbrandon | hrm strange | 10:10 |
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| zorglu_ | "apt-get install realplayer" leads to "realplayer: Depends: xlibs but it is not installable". and "apt-cache policy xlibs" leads to "Candidate: (none)", on a dapper | 10:17 |
| zorglu_ | seems like a broken package no ? | 10:17 |
| imbrandon | zorglu_, probably ( but you can also use the one from dapper-comercial that would be better imho ) | 10:17 |
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| Fujitsu | Yay, shiny old 40GB added to existing 20GB, using LVM. | 10:18 |
| zorglu_ | imbrandon: what is the name of the one from commercial ? apt-cache policy realplayer shows only multiverse | 10:19 |
| imbrandon | you have to enable dapper commercial repo | 10:20 |
| zorglu_ | i already have dapper commercial repo enable and updated | 10:20 |
| imbrandon | deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main | 10:21 |
| zorglu_ | yeah i have it :) Hit http://archive.canonical.com dapper-commercial/main Packages <- from my previous apt-get update | 10:21 |
| imbrandon | zorglu_, realplay | 10:21 |
| zorglu_ | thanks | 10:21 |
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| lionelp | zorglu_: it is a known bug that multiverse package is not instalable on Dapper (bug #58554) | 10:25 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 58554 in realplayer "Not installable" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/58554 | 10:25 |
| zorglu_ | noted | 10:26 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 10:29 |
| ajmitch | morning daniel | 10:29 |
| dholbach | hiya Andrew | 10:29 |
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| Fujitsu | That was a /big/ mistake. | 11:15 |
| Fujitsu | initramfs EXPLODED! | 11:15 |
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| imbrandon | lol | 11:17 |
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| minghua | Hmm, that's the first time I hear bad words about LVM snapshots in this channel | 11:24 |
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| Fujitsu | minghua, I think they're a great idea, but not if they cause my machine to fail to boot. | 11:28 |
| minghua | Fujitsu: definitely. I am just surprised that you seem to be the only one having problems with it | 11:31 |
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| Q-FUNK | could anyone check and hopefuly confirm 66821, 66822, 66823 ? | 02:43 |
| minghua | don't those require freeze exceptions? | 02:46 |
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| lionelp | minghua: no, there are only Debian package release, not upstream release (so no UVF needed) | 02:50 |
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| Fujitsu | Erm: | 02:51 |
| Fujitsu | (from topic) | 02:51 |
| Fujitsu | Edgy frozen: ALL Uploads need approval | 02:51 |
| minghua | lionelp: but we are in deep freeze, and all uploads needs approval no matter new UV or not | 02:51 |
| StevenK | Fujitsu: That's right. | 02:52 |
| minghua | Fujitsu: maybe technically a sync is not an upload? ;-) | 02:52 |
| lionelp | sorry | 02:52 |
| lionelp | I thought UVF with free exceptions | 02:52 |
| lionelp | yes, ok, needs approval | 02:52 |
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| CarlFK | Stani, author of http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/python/spe said he would add the debian/ dir to his sources - is there a page that describes what files he needs, what his responsibilities are, etc? | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee | CarlFK: it's highly bad to do it that way. | 03:02 |
| StevenK | No, it isn't bad. Just awkward. | 03:02 |
| StevenK | Neither Debian or Ubuntu are really okay with upstream also being the Debian maintainer. | 03:03 |
| azeem | it's at least discouraged | 03:03 |
| CarlFK | huh. | 03:03 |
| CarlFK | i figured that would be ideal | 03:03 |
| StevenK | azeem: Yes, that's better wording. Ta. | 03:03 |
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| CarlFK | so why is it discouraged? | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | !packagingguide | 03:09 |
| ubotu | The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | 03:09 |
| === CarlFK clicks | ||
| Hobbsee | CarlFK: see the section on changing the original tarball. http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-mistakes.html | 03:10 |
| pirast | Hobbsee, thanks for the enigmail upload :-) | 03:11 |
| === pirast hugs Hobbsee | ||
| Hobbsee | pirast: not a problem :) | 03:11 |
| === Hobbsee should actually do some work, from time to time :P | ||
| zul_ | yes you should | 03:13 |
| cypher1_ | Hobbsee, is there anywhere a list which contains packages that need to be made for ubuntu ? | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | cypher1_: as in, new packages? | 03:14 |
| cypher1_ | Hobbsee, yes | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | cypher1_: or unmet deps, or what? | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | er, yeah there is, somewhere | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | w.u.c/MOTU/candidates or something, iirc | 03:14 |
| cypher1_ | do you have the URL ? | 03:14 |
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| TankEnMate | whats the URI regular expression for a package's "hompage"? | 03:15 |
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| ranok | hello everyone | 03:18 |
| pirast | hi ranok | 03:20 |
| ranok | I've been trying to help out Ubuntu, in any way, and I thought that I could comment code | 03:21 |
| ranok | which would let me help out in a way that I couldn't screw anything up ;) | 03:21 |
| CarlFK | ranok: that seems ... odd | 03:22 |
| ranok | why would you say that | 03:22 |
| ranok | that way I can see how it's all pieced together | 03:25 |
| ranok | and eventually, I could contribute code | 03:25 |
| CarlFK | I would think the code authors would be the only ones that could make 'reliable' comments | 03:26 |
| ranok | perhaps | 03:26 |
| ranok | what do think I should do then | 03:26 |
| ranok | I can program in C++, C, Java, perl | 03:26 |
| ranok | though I'm not very confident | 03:26 |
| TankEnMate | CarlFK, heh :) I have re-read comments I have added to code after five years and thought "which idiot wrote that?" :P | 03:27 |
| CarlFK | TankEnMate: I said you could, not that you do :) | 03:28 |
| TankEnMate | ranok: find a package that you are interested in and look at the bug list for it.. write patches and submit them.. | 03:28 |
| ranok | alright | 03:28 |
| TankEnMate | probably one of the easiest ways to get into it.. | 03:29 |
| TankEnMate | you'll learn packaging, how the submit process works.. and get a general feel for how it works.. | 03:30 |
| TankEnMate | ranok: don't be suprised if you first 10 or so patches get rejected.. | 03:30 |
| ranok | oh, I'm well prepared for that | 03:30 |
| TankEnMate | ranok: just take the advice givn on board and keep hacking.. | 03:30 |
| ranok | heehee | 03:30 |
| ranok | alright | 03:30 |
| ranok | that sounds like it would work | 03:31 |
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| TankEnMate | oh and try and find a package that has an active maintainer rather than an orphaned package.. | 03:31 |
| TankEnMate | black holes aren't so good on the feedback side :) | 03:32 |
| TankEnMate | ranok: do you know how to make packages? | 03:32 |
| ranok | .debs? | 03:33 |
| TankEnMate | nod | 03:33 |
| ranok | nope | 03:33 |
| ranok | I guess that's good place to start | 03:33 |
| TankEnMate | https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html | 03:34 |
| TankEnMate | that is a good intro, if you know how to code, you should be able to muddle your way through it first time.. | 03:34 |
| ranok | ok, great | 03:34 |
| TankEnMate | also get a copy of the "hello-debhelper" package | 03:35 |
| TankEnMate | apt-get source hello-debhelper | 03:35 |
| TankEnMate | have a look at the source | 03:35 |
| ranok | ok | 03:35 |
| TankEnMate | it is a simple program with most the packaging stuff you need to know | 03:35 |
| ranok | ok | 03:35 |
| ranok | thanks a lot | 03:35 |
| TankEnMate | there are some more power tools as well, but just get a good working knowledge of dh_make and dpkg-buildpackage to begin with | 03:36 |
| ranok | alright, thanks again | 03:37 |
| ranok | I've never worked on a open source project this big | 03:37 |
| ranok | so I'm a little over whelmed | 03:37 |
| TankEnMate | take small bites and remember to breathe :) | 03:38 |
| ranok | yeah | 03:38 |
| ranok | be right back, switching servers | 03:40 |
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| Hobbsee | yes, well, you were crazy to touch diacanvas2... | 03:41 |
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| ranok | alright, I'm back | 03:42 |
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| Q-FUNK | bug #66173 | 03:47 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 66173 in upgrade-system "Bad sentence: "...cannot be canceled at any time later"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/66173 | 03:47 |
| Q-FUNK | bug #66175 | 03:47 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 66175 in upgrade-system "Usage problems in install partitioner" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/66175 | 03:47 |
| Q-FUNK | what is the correct package hint that the user should have chosen? | 03:48 |
| minghua | Q-FUNK: for 66173 I think the person to ask is Kamion as he is the installer guy | 03:50 |
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| ChaosFan | u/wg 36 | 03:51 |
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| Q-FUNK | could anyone check and hopefuly confirm #66821, #66822, #66823 ? minor changes in the debian package to make those modules build again. nothing upstream involved. | 04:19 |
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| tuxmaniac | bug 66821 | 04:26 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 66821 in rt2400 "Please sync rt2400 (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/66821 | 04:26 |
| tuxmaniac | bug 66823 | 04:27 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 66823 in rt2570 "Please sync rt2570 (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/66823 | 04:27 |
| tuxmaniac | bug 66822 | 04:27 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 66822 in rt2500 "Please sync rt2500 (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/66822 | 04:27 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 04:27 |
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| CarlFK | "You can ask the author(s) to delete the debian/ dir and provide a diff.gz instead. This makes it easier to review their work, and it separates packaging from program source." http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-mistakes.html | 04:49 |
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| CarlFK | I don't get that | 04:49 |
| CarlFK | I would think having debian/ under the same source control as the code would be 'best' | 04:50 |
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| geser | but often the original debian/ dir is outdated | 04:51 |
| thom | CarlFK: that's only the case when the person pushing the package into debian/ubuntu has access ot that source control to keep the two in sync | 04:51 |
| thom | otherwise you end up patching the debian/ dir and other horrors | 04:52 |
| CarlFK | ah.. I think I am getting it | 04:54 |
| CarlFK | if Stani (the S in SPE) added debian/, and then didn't maintain it... big headache | 04:55 |
| CarlFK | but... | 04:55 |
| CarlFK | if he added it and did maintain it, all would be good, right? | 04:55 |
| thom | seriously. over however many years that debian has been going, it's nearly always been awful | 04:56 |
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| azeem | I maintain a package where there is debian/files left in the release tarball | 04:57 |
| azeem | well, maintained, rather | 04:57 |
| thom | urgh | 04:58 |
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| ubotu | Announcement from my owner (Seveas): TheFridge | 05:44 |
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| Q-FUNK | fridge? | 05:52 |
| Q-FUNK | tonight?! | 05:52 |
| CarlFK | thom: I'm not sure I understand your "only the case" case | 06:08 |
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| thom | CarlFK: well, if you don't, you have to rely on the upstream author fixing packaging bugs | 06:10 |
| CarlFK | upstream author is Stani ? | 06:12 |
| thom | whoever | 06:12 |
| Toadstool | hey everybody | 06:12 |
| CarlFK | how is that worse than relying on someone else ? | 06:13 |
| dholbach | who uploaded ajaxterm? | 06:18 |
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| thom | CarlFK: what? | 06:21 |
| CarlFK | ok, lets start over only addressing the specific situation: I asked Stani "would you mind adding the debian/ dir to your svn repo?" and he said "How could I as an Ubuntu User myself? Where do you suggest. " | 06:24 |
| CarlFK | so I am trying to figure out what to tell him | 06:24 |
| thom | i'd tell him not to bother, personally | 06:25 |
| CarlFK | shouldn't that reply include some reason? | 06:26 |
| thom | haven't you been provided with enough reason over the last twelve hours? | 06:26 |
| CarlFK | the closest thing I have seen to a reason is "it's bad, unless <something unclear>" | 06:28 |
| CarlFK | so no. | 06:28 |
| azeem | well, then include no reason | 06:30 |
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| CarlFK | I am thinking I am being confused with someone that has the same question 12 hours ago | 06:32 |
| CarlFK | given that I am not convinced, that it is bad, and there for not convinced I should not deter him from adding debian/ - who would it hurt if he did? | 06:33 |
| thom | the poor souls who have to maintain the packages | 06:34 |
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| CarlFK | packages plural - so packages other than spe? | 06:35 |
| thom | i am speaking generally. i do not know or care what spe is | 06:35 |
| CarlFK | ah - so you are ignoring my "addressing the specific situation" requeest | 06:36 |
| azeem | no, it is wrong in any case | 06:36 |
| thom | i don't see why you think it makes any odds | 06:36 |
| thom | it is wrong *always* | 06:36 |
| azeem | or maybe s/wrong/heavily discouraged/ | 06:36 |
| thom | unless you are both upstream and packaging it | 06:37 |
| CarlFK | (09:48:58 AM) thom: CarlFK: that's only the case when the person pushing the package into debian/ubuntu has access ot that source control to keep the two in sync | 06:37 |
| thom | and even then, don't do it | 06:37 |
| CarlFK | that and your current unless" is why I think | 06:37 |
| azeem | thom: it's wrong even then IMHO, unless it is Ubuntu (or Debian) specific as well | 06:37 |
| thom | yep | 06:37 |
| azeem | CarlFK: ok | 06:37 |
| azeem | CarlFK: 1. is this a ubuntu specific package? | 06:37 |
| azeem | 2. is that guy in a situation to maintain it in ubuntu? | 06:38 |
| CarlFK | 1, no. 2. yes | 06:38 |
| azeem | if both questions can be answered with 'yes', it would be right, otherwise no | 06:38 |
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| thom | where 2 means "will he be uploading it to ubuntu" | 06:38 |
| CarlFK | that's not how I understood 2. azeem - what do you mean by "maintain it in ubuntu?" | 06:40 |
| azeem | CarlFK: well, it's no to 1, so why bother about 2? | 06:43 |
| pirast | can a motu have a look at bug 38093? | 06:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 38093 in enigmail-locales "[SYNC] [UNMETDEPS] engmail-locales has unmet dependencies" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/38093 | 06:44 |
| CarlFK | because I pushed a question about 1 onto my stack | 06:44 |
| CarlFK | which is: why does #1 matter? | 06:44 |
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| Sp4rKy | hi motus | 07:28 |
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| siretart | dholbach: okay, I just finished a successfull (but somehwat basic) installation with FAI 3.1 | 07:42 |
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| siretart | dholbach: this consists of 2 packages: fai-kernels, which hold install kernels which do nfsroot, and fai itself, which has scripts to setup an nfsroot and do the installation stuff | 07:43 |
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| siretart | dholbach: do you insist on a full report for that? | 07:43 |
| dholbach | i suppose the changes are quite big, hm? | 07:44 |
| dholbach | which kernels does it install? | 07:44 |
| siretart | dholbach: the package itself just contains kernel configs. it depends on linux-source-2.6.17 and kernel-package to create a binary package, which itself contains the kernel images | 07:46 |
| siretart | so no source is duplicated | 07:47 |
| dholbach | sounds like good work | 07:47 |
| siretart | upstream is working on making that fai-kernels unnecessary by using initramfs-tools, but that currently breaks fai-cd | 07:47 |
| dholbach | alright | 07:47 |
| dholbach | I don't think we need a full report for that | 07:47 |
| siretart | I think as well, but I wanted confirmation for my 'extrawurst' ;) | 07:48 |
| dholbach | hehe | 07:48 |
| dholbach | thanks for working on it | 07:48 |
| siretart | :) | 07:48 |
| hub | what is FAI? | 07:48 |
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| siretart | the problem is that I cannot make a working ppc kernel config | 07:48 |
| siretart | because I don't have access to a ppc machine | 07:49 |
| siretart | hub: apt-cache show fai | 07:49 |
| siretart | hub: apt-cache show fai-server | 07:49 |
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| hub | ah | 07:49 |
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| siretart | I need to leave now, but if anyone has access to ppc hardware, please try to make a kernel config for ubuntu's linux-source-2.6.17 based on this config: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/fai/people/siretart/fai-kernels-ubuntu/kernel-config-2.6.powerpc?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 | 07:54 |
| siretart | and send that to me | 07:55 |
| siretart | basically the work is in loading that config, and checking that nfsv4 and nfsroot is checked | 07:55 |
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| lophyte | !seen superm1 | 08:56 |
| ubotu | I last saw superm1 (n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1) 1d 11h 32m 20s ago, quiting: "See you in /dev/null" | 08:56 |
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| zul | !seem zul | 08:56 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about seem zul - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 08:56 |
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| Q-FUNK | *sigh* | 09:15 |
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| Burgwork | Q-FUNK: ? | 09:18 |
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| Q-FUNK | nvm | 09:20 |
| Q-FUNK | some really sily report over what doesn't even remotely constitute a wishlist item and a user who wants to play bug reopening. :( | 09:20 |
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| lophyte | !seen superm1 | 10:45 |
| ubotu | I last saw superm1 (n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1) 1d 13h 21m 39s ago, quiting: "See you in /dev/null" | 10:45 |
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| cbx33 | not long till I become a proper MOTU - my key is almost signed ;) | 11:02 |
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| crimsun | "proper"? You already have upload privs to universe. | 11:10 |
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| superm1 | I notice in universe there are a few packages of actual firmware files included. What sort of work would be required to get a piece of proprietary firmware included? Approval from the company to host it in an archive on universe? | 11:37 |
| ajmitch | universe or multiverse? | 11:39 |
| superm1 | Well at this point either would suffice | 11:40 |
| superm1 | I'd say multiverse probably | 11:40 |
| ajmitch | at the very least it needs to be freely redistributable by anyone, not just ubuntu | 11:40 |
| ajmitch | to get into multiverse | 11:40 |
| superm1 | Well redistributable in the sense that it's allowed to legally be hosted by anyone? | 11:40 |
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| ajmitch | not just hosted, but the license must say that it can be distributed | 11:41 |
| ajmitch | pretty much equivalent | 11:41 |
| superm1 | Ok. i'll have to check the license shipped with it. What if the license doesn't indicate this, but I can get explicit permission from the company? | 11:41 |
| ajmitch | you probably can, as long as they're willing to grant it for all, not ubuntu as a special case | 11:42 |
| chillywilly | is it time to go home yet? | 11:43 |
| superm1 | I'll email them and see whats said then. Thanks | 11:43 |
| ajmitch | http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing | 11:44 |
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| sandrinah | Woud you know some link to documentation about how to generate new pdiff/DiffIndex into debian repos? I maintain a Debian repo, and i am interested in introducing new diff feature.... | 11:58 |
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