[01:40] <Nafallo> I... LOVE... bzr :-)
[01:54] <Nafallo> hi Hobbsee :-)
[01:54] <Hobbsee> hey Nafallo
[01:56] <LaserJock> hmm, my boss just came down but I don't know that he noticed that I was not running OS X
[01:57] <Nafallo> Hobbsee_: wb :-)
[01:58] <Hobbsee_> heya :)
[01:59] <Hobbsee> hhe
[01:59] <Hobbsee> my connectoin has sucked the past couple of days
[02:00] <Nafallo> does look like that yes...
[02:03] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: we're only supposed to work on UNMETDEPS now? :-P
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: and fix bugs.
[02:04] <Nafallo> *puuh*
[02:04] <Nafallo> that list looked boring :-)
[02:05] <imbrandon> heh its not /all/ fun ;P
[02:05] <Nafallo> and probably has false positives... how can bonfire have an unmet dep? it's a dummy package ffs :-P
[02:06] <imbrandon> heh doesnt mena all the packages it depends on are installable ;)
[02:07] <Hobbsee> bonfire never built to begin with did it?
[02:08] <Nafallo> damnit. I HAVE to get my pbuilder.unionfs branch up-to-date soon...
[02:09] <Nafallo> lol
[02:09] <Nafallo> bonfire doesn't install indeed :-P
[02:09] <Nafallo> slomo: what did you think of? :-)
[02:32] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: it did. on all arches.
[02:32] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: ah. right. now I follow :-)
[02:32] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: you think we should drop the dummy?
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: i dont know.
[02:33] <Nafallo> I think slomo said something about that dummy being for the inofficial repos which had bonfire or something like that...
[02:35] <Nafallo> ajmitch: can I get a general upload exception for UNMETDEPS? :-)
[02:37] <ajmitch> that's crackful - there are all sorts of fixes needed
[02:37] <Nafallo> alright. brasero then? :-)
[02:38] <Nafallo> Depends: brasero (>= 0.4.4-0ubuntu1) instead of -1 on the dummy.
[02:39] <ajmitch> should be ok
[03:00] <Nafallo> criawips needs libgoffice-1, we have -0. *sighs*
[03:04] <Nafallo> ajmitch: bug #65451 says you are fixing it? :-)
[03:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65451 in gnomesword "[UNMETDEPS]  gnomesword has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65451
[03:05] <ajmitch> yes?
[03:05] <Nafallo> then I can ignore that one then :-)
[03:06] <Nafallo> I'll set it to in progress and assign it then :-)
[03:06] <LaserJock> Nafallo: that's stinks about criawips, I needed libgoffice-1 for gchemutils too
[03:07] <LaserJock> but gnumeric needs the latest goffice so that's what we got
[03:07] <Nafallo> LaserJock: if we find enough stuff we might need to try to sync it? :-/
[03:07] <LaserJock> we can't -0 is newer then -1 :-)
[03:08] <Nafallo> ehm. _that_ sounds like crack.
[03:08] <LaserJock> we got -0 from Debian experimental
[03:08] <Nafallo> *sigh*
[03:08] <Nafallo> WONTFIX? ;-)
[03:08] <LaserJock> basically
[03:08] <LaserJock> for edgy at least
[03:09] <LaserJock> the gchemutils developer also contributes to goffice
[03:09] <LaserJock> and he said that -0 is fairly unstable
[03:09] <LaserJock> (hence why it's been in experimental for a few months)
[03:09] <hub> fortunately we did not release abiword yet
[03:09] <hub> it depends on it too
[03:09] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:10] <LaserJock> I was going to see if we could have both versions some how
[03:10] <LaserJock> but it's just a tad late for edgy ;-)
[03:10] <Nafallo> I rejected it :-)
[03:13] <LaserJock> but I don't know what I'm going to do with gchemutils in Edgy+1
[03:13] <Nafallo> bddebian: hi :-)
[03:13] <LaserJock> I guess I'll try to patch it to work with -0
[03:13] <Nafallo> LaserJock: we'll just have to see what will happen then :-)
[03:13] <bddebian> Heya Nafallo
[03:14] <bddebian> and LaserJock :)
[03:14] <Nafallo> bddebian: are you going to squash some UNMETDEPS? :-)
[03:15] <ajmitch> Nafallo: silly question, of course he will
[03:16] <Nafallo> in that case I'm pondering what the bed might do to me ;-)
[03:16] <ajmitch> for every upload, please put the changelog entry for the upload on the bug
[03:16] <ajmitch> so that it's easy to approve
[03:16] <Nafallo> Fri Oct 20 03:16:26 CEST 2006
[03:16] <Nafallo> ah, oki
[03:16] <Nafallo> so we can't just ask you and get approved? :-)
[03:17] <ajmitch> no, because I may not be around
[03:17] <Nafallo> when you are I meant?
[03:17] <ajmitch> I still want stuff on the bug please :)
[03:18] <ajmitch> since I have to talk to archive admins when they're around
[03:18] <ajmitch> a bit too complex I think
[03:19] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  core duo's dont seem to work on edgy - this one at least
[03:19] <Nafallo> hmm, I wonder what bug I closed then... :-P
[03:20] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: got a new laptop now?
[03:21] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, core duo or core 2 duo ?
[03:21] <imbrandon> core 2 duo has an kernel pannic a while back but i thought it was fixed up
[03:21] <Nafallo> I like torrentflux upstream... he can't receive mail from me :-/
[03:22] <ajmitch> more Hobbsee_
[03:23] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[03:23] <LaserJock> I think I have a core2 duo on this iMac
[03:23] <LaserJock> or maybe I don't
[03:23] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: as I asked, new laptop?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: thinking about it, i stole dads
[03:23] <ajmitch> ah
[03:23] <ajmitch> your one not quite melted down then?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> (sorry, connection lagged)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> heh.  yeah, well.  i got it up to 87C again a couple of weeks ago
[03:24] <ajmitch> that's not bad
[03:24] <Hobbsee> no way.  dad's will boot to a dapper final cd, but not an edgy knot 1
[03:24] <ajmitch> I used to get my desktop box up to 93C before it would shutdown
[03:24] <Hobbsee> that's just crazy
[03:24] <ajmitch> that box is dead now, of course
[03:25] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: the one thing that's suprising me - this laptop isnt hot from general running :P
[03:25] <Hobbsee> yes, dad knows iv'e "borrowed" his laptop
[03:25] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, there was some issues with kernel pannics early in edgy, try an RC cd
[03:25] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: grab the RC release
[03:25] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i'd prefer not to download one :P
[03:25] <Hobbsee> but i could do that
[03:28] <Hobbsee> network controller: intel corporation: unknown device 4222
[03:28] <Hobbsee> that doesnt sound good
[03:31] <superjon> I just created a package using pbuilder build... and can't find the resulting deb
[03:31] <superjon> Where do I look?
[03:32] <imbrandon> in /var/cache/pbuilder/result if you dident change the defaults
[03:32] <superjon> find ~/packages/network-manager-vpnc -name '*.deb' doesn't give me anything
[03:32] <superjon> I looked there and it's empty
[03:32] <superjon> But $? of pbuilder build was 0
[03:33] <imbrandon> well then look at the path its pointing to in your pbuilderrc
[03:33] <superjon> Thanks, that was it
[03:34] <imbrandon> wb Hobbsee
[03:35] <Hobbsee> NEAT~
[03:35] <Hobbsee> wifi works :)
[03:35] <ajmitch> good
[03:39] <zul> tsk...shakira
[03:39] <Nafallo> libtulip-qt4-2.0-dev: Depends: libtulip-qt-2.0c2a but it is not installable <-- s/qt/qt4/ ;-). okey to upload if I add a comment on the bug I close? :-)
[03:40] <Nafallo> ajmitch: ^ :-)
[03:41] <imbrandon> lol
[03:41] <Nafallo> hehe
[03:42] <ajmitch> Nafallo: go on
[03:43] <Nafallo> ajmitch: thanks :-)
[03:51] <zul> is it just me or does the hotel doesnt have wireielss?
[04:03] <imbrandon> I might not have a pony but i have a deer http://federation.imbrandon.com/FeistyFawn.png
[04:03] <ajmitch> mmm, venison
[04:03] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:04] <zul> yeah watch canonical be sued from disney
[04:05] <Nafallo> lol
[04:11] <Toadstool> hey everybody
[04:13] <Nafallo> hej Toadstool
[04:13] <Toadstool> hi Nafallo
[04:13] <Nafallo> oops, swedish :-P
[04:13] <Hobbsee> heya
[04:13] <Toadstool> Hobbsee: \o/
[04:14] <imbrandon> ello Toadstool
[04:14] <Toadstool> hey imbrandon
[04:16] <Nafallo> ehrm..
[04:17] <Nafallo> where the hell did we get cinepaint 0.20-1-2 from?
[04:17] <Nafallo> debian has 0.20-1-1.3
[04:19] <Toadstool> Nafallo: maybe someone who did a dch -i without updating to 1.3ubuntu1 instead of 2
[04:19] <ajmitch> most likely
[04:20] <ajmitch> uh oh
[04:20] <Nafallo> looks like it
[04:20] <imbrandon> how the hell did it get -1-1.3 anyhow shouldent it have been just -1.3
[04:21] <ajmitch> imbrandon: depends on the upstream version
[04:21] <Nafallo> imbrandon: upstream 0.20-1?
[04:21] <Toadstool> imbrandon: maybe upstream version is 0.20-1 :)
[04:21] <Nafallo> three answers ;-)
[04:21] <Nafallo> most be true :-)
[04:21] <Toadstool> heh
[04:23] <Nafallo> baah. I wish it hadn't built in dapper, but it has :-P
[04:23] <ajmitch> yep
[04:24] <Nafallo> I'll just try to build the damn thing against the new libgutenprintui then. and add a comment about this in the changelog :-)
[04:32] <Nafallo> Fri Oct 20 04:32:35 CEST 2006
[04:32] <Nafallo> last bug before sleep now ;-)
[04:33] <Nafallo> in this time I will listen to myself I hope :-)
[04:34] <Nafallo> s/in/and/
[04:43] <Nafallo> I hope this bug is a quick fix...
[04:43] <Nafallo> my nose tells me to go to bed I think... nosebleed etc...
[04:46] <Nafallo> FTBFS
[04:46] <Nafallo> gnight all
[05:23] <tuxmaniac> Has edgy RC been released?
[05:23] <ajmitch> yes
[05:29] <tuxmaniac> boohoo.. An upgrade done. But my nice Human Theme (with brown tinges) which were present durng the BETA release has been replaced by the old Human theme :|
[05:29] <tuxmaniac> I mean Human Circle
[05:30] <tuxmaniac> during login
[05:31] <tuxmaniac> Ugh! Even the splash scren has been changed :-|
[05:33] <imbrandon> tuxmaniac, yea ubuntu artwork was reverted
[05:33] <imbrandon> ( not kubuntu or xubuntu or edubuntu )
[05:34] <tuxmaniac> imbrandon> Oh ok. Any reasons? IMO they were looking cool
[05:34] <imbrandon> tuxmaniac, basicly it boiled down to sabdfl wasent happy with it and said he would rather have the old then a crappy ( in his opinion ) new
[05:34] <imbrandon> more details on the -art ML
[05:35] <tuxmaniac> imbrandon> Ugh oh
[05:37] <LaserJock> they are planning on having new artwork I think
[05:37] <ajmitch> we can hope
[05:37] <ajmitch> they've got a few hours to get it done
[05:38] <imbrandon> LaserJock, the deadline is in a few hours
[05:38] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock> Hi man.. Looks like the edgy science packages are quite stable :D
[05:39] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: a bit yes. I think
[05:39] <imbrandon> hum anyone know if there are powerpc computers for workstation/desktpop from IMB ( other than apples )
[05:39] <LaserJock> what is the deadline?
[05:39] <imbrandon> IBM*
[05:39] <imbrandon> LaserJock, 12UTC today iirc ( maybe it was RC release, i know it was close )
[05:41] <LaserJock> hmm, well they contacted the doc team to say that they were changing the artwork
[05:42] <ajmitch> more last-minute changes
[05:44] <imbrandon> ugh i hate command line gpg , whats the quick way to decrypt a file
[05:45] <LaserJock> gpg -d ?
[05:46] <tuxmaniac> "Could not access GDM configuration file" Any idea why this error is happening. I have my gdm.conf file in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf. But wehn i do a sudo gdmsetup this is the error
[05:46] <tuxmaniac> This is after the upgrade I did recentl
[05:50] <tuxmaniac> err.. I can see some similar bugs bug 62342
[05:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62342 in gdm "gdmgreeter Failed to connect to socket" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62342
[06:28] <joejaxx> LaserJock: are you around?
[06:28] <LaserJock> joejaxx: kinda yeah
[06:29] <joejaxx> LaserJock: do you know how much space installed whould all the *-dev verions of the packages on the current ubuntu cd take up?
[06:30] <LaserJock> heh, nope
[06:30] <LaserJock> a fair amount
[06:30] <joejaxx> too bad i cannot do : sudo apt-get install *-deev
[06:30] <joejaxx> *-dev :P
[06:30] <LaserJock> well, that's not a normal thing to do
[06:30] <joejaxx> yeah
[06:31] <minghua> actually the part you usually need in -dev package is a very small portion size-wise :-(
[06:31] <joejaxx> i will probably go through and pick out the core dev packages that are needed for compiling building programming etc
[06:32] <joejaxx> minghua: ?
[06:32] <LaserJock> joejaxx: what are you trying to do?
[06:33] <minghua> joejaxx: you usually only need the .so symlinks and the .h headers, but the part that needs most space in a -dev pacakage is the .a static librarys
[06:34] <joejaxx> LaserJock: trying to build a list of the most needed dev packages
[06:34] <LaserJock> needed by whom?
[06:34] <joejaxx> me
[06:35] <joejaxx> i know obvious stuff like xserver-dev
[06:35] <joejaxx> and the linux headers etc
[06:37] <minghua> $ du -sh
[06:37] <minghua> 7.9M    .
[06:37] <minghua> $ find . -name "*.a" -exec rm {} \;
[06:37] <minghua> $ du -sh
[06:37] <minghua> 2.0M    .
[06:37] <minghua> joejaxx: that's an example for you, libgtk2.0-dev in dapper
[06:39] <joejaxx> oh ok
[07:03] <imbrandon> ...
[07:04] <ajmitch> imbrandon: ?
[07:05] <imbrandon> gftp is gonna make me throw this laptop accross the room
[07:08] <minghua> try a different ftp client, then
[07:09] <minghua> filezilla just entered debian unstable
[07:14] <TheMuso> lftp FTW!
[07:27] <imbrandon> mc FTW
[07:39] <TheMuso> Does mc do FTP?
[07:40] <imbrandon> yup
[07:40] <imbrandon> on either side, or both
[07:41] <TheMuso> Ah. But does it do https?
[07:48] <imbrandon> dunno never tried
[07:49] <TheMuso> Heh. Lftp can.
[07:56] <imbrandon> well i only have to ftp to art.u.c so i dont do it often
[07:56] <imbrandon> hopefully i can get by with mc ;)
[07:57] <imbrandon> ( and not have to learn something else )
[07:57] <imbrandon> wow this convo is going as fast as email
[07:57] <imbrandon> lol
[08:03] <TheMuso> hh
[08:03] <TheMuso> heh
[08:03] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Do you get shaped, or must you pay extra for any quota over?
[08:03] <ajmitch> pay extra
[08:03] <TheMuso> Ouch.
[08:03] <TheMuso> Do you have any sites or content that is quota free?
[08:03] <ajmitch> ok, just killed X
[08:03] <ajmitch> nope, none at all
[08:04] <TheMuso> That must suck.
[08:04] <TheMuso> I at least have a quota free mirror for most Linux stuff, Ubuntu included.
[08:04] <ajmitch> yeah
[08:04] <ajmitch> we used to
[08:47] <viviersf> elo ajmitch
[08:49] <ajmitch> hey viviersf
[08:49] <ajmitch> how's it going?
[08:51] <viviersf> going well just playing around with some thing
[08:51] <viviersf> there ?
[08:51] <ajmitch> fun
[08:51] <viviersf> lol
[08:51] <viviersf> tell me how does a backport work ? does some1 request a backport or what ?
[08:51] <ajmitch> yeah, a bug is opened against dapper-backports
[08:51] <viviersf> kay
[09:04] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, what are my chances of getting a UVFe for a rather obscure package at this stage? It won't start at all, the latest version (released 3 years ago) works fine.
[09:08] <ajmitch> what is the package, what are the changes?
[09:08] <ajmitch> if it doesn't start now, then you're not likely to break it any worse than it already is
[09:09] <Fujitsu> transcalc, and that's what I thought... It can't get any more broken, plus this new one uses GTK2 and actually works.
[09:10] <Fujitsu> The changes are fairly large, however...
[09:10] <ajmitch> file a bug anyway & explain your case
[09:10] <Fujitsu> There's already a bug filed, but I'll put the appropriate UVFe stuff on there shortly.
[09:10] <ajmitch> ok
[09:10] <Fujitsu> As you say, it can't break any worse than it already is.
[09:11] <imbrandon> anyone interested in some 1U rackmount servers? someone in my lug just offered them up for $200 ( has over 100 to sell ) , i can forward the email to anyone interested
[09:11] <imbrandon> ( rough specs, email has more, but p4 2.8ghz 80gig hdd 256mbram )
[09:12] <Fujitsu> Not bad.
[09:12] <imbrandon> yea , looks like a good deal, bunch of cluster nodes from an isp going out of business localy looks like
[09:14] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I'd love to, but shipping would be more than the servers
[09:14] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, the shipping costs would be absolutely insane!
[09:14] <imbrandon> well i could always bring one or two to mtv if you really wanted one heh
[09:15] <ajmitch> yeah, I can't quite fit it in my suitcase ;)
[09:15] <imbrandon> wouldent want to bring 50 or some such hehe
[09:15] <imbrandon> yea thats what i was thinking
[09:15] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:16] <Fujitsu> I'll be back in a bit, attacking this with a bigger HDD (which I obtained from an old school computer)...
[09:16] <imbrandon> man ftp is so slow, i wish i just had ssh access to the DC heh
[09:16] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, cool
[09:16] <imbrandon> LOL
[09:17] <imbrandon> on one drive in the school? no raid ?
[09:17] <imbrandon> s/on/only
[09:17] <Fujitsu> RAID 5.
[09:17] <imbrandon> ahh , they will never miss one from the array ( snickers )
[09:17] <imbrandon> well actualy only 3 they would miss one
[09:17] <Fujitsu> Heheh, I don't think anybody other than me would notice. The proper technicians don't regularly check the servers :P
[09:18] <Fujitsu> If you lose one from RAID 5, you're fine.
[09:18] <imbrandon> well yea but if there was 7 or 10 in the array it would be nicer
[09:18] <Fujitsu> True.
[09:18] <Fujitsu> Well, see you shortly! Hopefully the RC installer won't explode on me.
[09:19] <imbrandon> yea i'm installing RC on my laptop right now
[09:19] <imbrandon> hum i wonder if i should leave 5 gigs for osx
[09:20] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: no
[09:21] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, ;P
[09:22] <fdoving> imbrandon: no.
[09:23] <fdoving> if you remove it i'll remove my osx partition too. it's just a waste of space anyway. I have it installed but i never use it.
[09:23] <imbrandon> sounds like a deal
[09:25] <fdoving> I'll have to reboot to a livecd, and do some magic.
[09:26] <imbrandon> yea i'm installing from RC so its not so bad
[09:27] <imbrandon> just backup my /etc/network/interfaces and go
[09:27] <imbrandon> ( for easy wep keys recovery )
[09:27] <fdoving> brb.. livecd :] 
[09:43] <imbrandon> wow the live cd has lots of atrifacts
[09:43] <imbrandon> artifacts*
[09:44] <imbrandon> wonder if it detected the wrong video driver ( the previous edgy install worked ok )
[10:10] <imbrandon> hrm strange
[10:17] <zorglu_> "apt-get install realplayer" leads to "realplayer: Depends: xlibs but it is not installable". and "apt-cache policy xlibs" leads to "Candidate: (none)", on a dapper
[10:17] <zorglu_> seems like a broken package no ?
[10:17] <imbrandon> zorglu_, probably ( but you can also use the one from dapper-comercial that would be better imho )
[10:18] <Fujitsu> Yay, shiny old 40GB added to existing 20GB, using LVM.
[10:19] <zorglu_> imbrandon: what is the name of the one from commercial ? apt-cache policy realplayer shows only multiverse
[10:20] <imbrandon> you have to enable dapper commercial repo
[10:20] <zorglu_> i already have dapper commercial repo enable and updated
[10:21] <imbrandon> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main
[10:21] <zorglu_> yeah i have it :) Hit http://archive.canonical.com dapper-commercial/main Packages <- from my previous apt-get update
[10:21] <imbrandon> zorglu_, realplay
[10:21] <zorglu_> thanks
[10:25] <lionelp> zorglu_: it is a known bug that multiverse package is not instalable on Dapper (bug  #58554)
[10:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58554 in realplayer "Not installable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58554
[10:26] <zorglu_> noted
[10:29] <dholbach> good morning
[10:29] <ajmitch> morning daniel
[10:29] <dholbach> hiya Andrew
[11:15] <Fujitsu> That was a /big/ mistake.
[11:15] <Fujitsu> initramfs EXPLODED!
[11:17] <imbrandon> lol
[11:24] <minghua> Hmm, that's the first time I hear bad words about LVM snapshots in this channel
[11:28] <Fujitsu> minghua, I think they're a great idea, but not if they cause my machine to fail to boot.
[11:31] <minghua> Fujitsu: definitely.  I am just surprised that you seem to be the only one having problems with it
[02:43] <Q-FUNK> could anyone check and hopefuly confirm 66821, 66822, 66823 ?
[02:46] <minghua> don't those require freeze exceptions?
[02:50] <lionelp> minghua: no, there are only Debian package release, not upstream release (so no UVF needed)
[02:51] <Fujitsu> Erm:
[02:51] <Fujitsu> (from topic)
[02:51] <Fujitsu> Edgy frozen: ALL Uploads need approval
[02:51] <minghua> lionelp: but we are in deep freeze, and all uploads needs approval no matter new UV or not
[02:52] <StevenK> Fujitsu: That's right.
[02:52] <minghua> Fujitsu: maybe technically a sync is not an upload?  ;-)
[02:52] <lionelp> sorry
[02:52] <lionelp> I thought UVF with free exceptions
[02:52] <lionelp> yes, ok, needs approval
[02:59] <CarlFK> Stani, author of http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/python/spe said he would add the debian/ dir to his sources - is there a page that describes what files he needs, what his responsibilities are, etc?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> CarlFK: it's highly bad to do it that way.
[03:02] <StevenK> No, it isn't bad. Just awkward.
[03:03] <StevenK> Neither Debian or Ubuntu are really okay with upstream also being the Debian maintainer.
[03:03] <azeem> it's at least discouraged
[03:03] <CarlFK> huh.
[03:03] <CarlFK> i figured that would be ideal
[03:03] <StevenK> azeem: Yes, that's better wording. Ta.
[03:08] <CarlFK> so why is it discouraged?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> !packagingguide
[03:09] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[03:10] <Hobbsee> CarlFK: see the section on changing the original tarball.  http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-mistakes.html
[03:11] <pirast> Hobbsee, thanks for the enigmail upload :-)
[03:11] <Hobbsee> pirast: not a problem :)
[03:13] <zul_> yes you should
[03:13] <cypher1_> Hobbsee, is there anywhere a list which contains packages that need to be made for ubuntu ?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> cypher1_: as in, new packages?
[03:14] <cypher1_> Hobbsee, yes
[03:14] <Hobbsee> cypher1_: or unmet deps, or what?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> er, yeah there is, somewhere
[03:14] <Hobbsee> w.u.c/MOTU/candidates or something, iirc
[03:14] <cypher1_> do you have the URL ?
[03:15] <TankEnMate> whats the URI regular expression for a package's "hompage"?
[03:18] <ranok> hello everyone
[03:20] <pirast> hi ranok
[03:21] <ranok> I've been trying to help out Ubuntu, in any way, and I thought that I could comment code
[03:21] <ranok> which would let me help out in a way that I couldn't screw anything up ;)
[03:22] <CarlFK> ranok: that seems ... odd
[03:22] <ranok> why would you say that
[03:25] <ranok> that way I can see how it's all pieced together
[03:25] <ranok> and eventually, I could contribute code
[03:26] <CarlFK> I would think the code authors would be the only ones that could make 'reliable' comments
[03:26] <ranok> perhaps
[03:26] <ranok> what do think I should do then
[03:26] <ranok> I can program in C++, C, Java, perl
[03:26] <ranok> though I'm not very confident
[03:27] <TankEnMate> CarlFK, heh :) I have re-read comments I have added to code after five years and thought "which idiot wrote that?" :P
[03:28] <CarlFK> TankEnMate: I said you could, not that you do :)
[03:28] <TankEnMate> ranok: find a package that you are interested in and look at the bug list for it.. write patches and submit them..
[03:28] <ranok> alright
[03:29] <TankEnMate> probably one of the easiest ways to get into it..
[03:30] <TankEnMate> you'll learn packaging, how the submit process works.. and get a general feel for how it works..
[03:30] <TankEnMate> ranok: don't be suprised if you first 10 or so patches get rejected..
[03:30] <ranok> oh, I'm well prepared for that
[03:30] <TankEnMate> ranok: just take the advice givn on board and keep hacking..
[03:30] <ranok> heehee
[03:30] <ranok> alright
[03:31] <ranok> that sounds like it would work
[03:31] <TankEnMate> oh and try and find a package that has an active maintainer rather than an orphaned package..
[03:32] <TankEnMate> black holes aren't so good on the feedback side :)
[03:32] <TankEnMate> ranok: do you know how to make packages?
[03:33] <ranok> .debs?
[03:33] <TankEnMate> nod
[03:33] <ranok> nope
[03:33] <ranok> I guess that's  good place to start
[03:34] <TankEnMate> https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[03:34] <TankEnMate> that is a good intro, if you know how to code, you should be able to muddle your way through it first time..
[03:34] <ranok> ok, great
[03:35] <TankEnMate> also get a copy of the "hello-debhelper" package
[03:35] <TankEnMate> apt-get source hello-debhelper
[03:35] <TankEnMate> have a look at the source
[03:35] <ranok> ok
[03:35] <TankEnMate> it is a simple program with most the packaging stuff you need to know
[03:35] <ranok> ok
[03:35] <ranok> thanks a lot
[03:36] <TankEnMate> there are some more power tools as well, but just get a good working knowledge of dh_make and dpkg-buildpackage to begin with
[03:37] <ranok> alright, thanks again
[03:37] <ranok> I've never worked on a open source project this big
[03:37] <ranok> so I'm a little over whelmed
[03:38] <TankEnMate> take small bites and remember to breathe :)
[03:38] <ranok> yeah
[03:40] <ranok> be right back, switching servers
[03:41] <Hobbsee> yes, well, you were crazy to touch diacanvas2...
[03:42] <ranok> alright, I'm back
[03:47] <Q-FUNK> bug #66173
[03:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66173 in upgrade-system "Bad sentence:  "...cannot be canceled at any time later"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66173
[03:47] <Q-FUNK> bug #66175
[03:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66175 in upgrade-system "Usage problems in install partitioner" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66175
[03:48] <Q-FUNK> what is the correct package hint that the user should have chosen?
[03:50] <minghua> Q-FUNK: for 66173 I think the person to ask is Kamion as he is the installer guy
[03:51] <ChaosFan> u/wg 36
[04:19] <Q-FUNK> could anyone check and hopefuly confirm #66821, #66822, #66823 ?  minor changes in the debian package to make those modules build again.  nothing upstream involved.
[04:26] <tuxmaniac> bug 66821
[04:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66821 in rt2400 "Please sync rt2400 (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66821
[04:27] <tuxmaniac> bug 66823
[04:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66823 in rt2570 "Please sync rt2570 (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66823
[04:27] <tuxmaniac> bug 66822
[04:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66822 in rt2500 "Please sync rt2500 (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66822
[04:27] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:49] <CarlFK> "You can ask the author(s) to delete the debian/ dir and provide a diff.gz instead. This makes it easier to review their work, and it separates packaging from program source." http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-mistakes.html
[04:49] <CarlFK> I don't get that
[04:50] <CarlFK> I would think having debian/ under the same source control as the code would be 'best'
[04:51] <geser> but often the original debian/ dir is outdated
[04:51] <thom> CarlFK: that's only the case when the person pushing the package into debian/ubuntu has access ot that source control to keep the two in sync
[04:52] <thom> otherwise you end up patching the debian/ dir and other horrors
[04:54] <CarlFK> ah.. I think I am getting it
[04:55] <CarlFK> if Stani (the S in SPE) added debian/, and then didn't maintain it... big headache
[04:55] <CarlFK> but...
[04:55] <CarlFK> if he added it and did maintain it, all would be good, right?
[04:56] <thom> seriously. over however many years that debian has been going, it's nearly always been awful
[04:57] <azeem> I maintain a package where there is debian/files left in the release tarball
[04:57] <azeem> well, maintained, rather
[04:58] <thom> urgh
[05:44] <ubotu> Announcement from my owner (Seveas): TheFridge
[05:52] <Q-FUNK> fridge?
[05:52] <Q-FUNK> tonight?!
[06:08] <CarlFK> thom: I'm not sure I understand your "only the case" case
[06:10] <thom> CarlFK: well, if you don't, you have to rely on the upstream author fixing packaging bugs
[06:12] <CarlFK> upstream author is Stani ?
[06:12] <thom> whoever
[06:12] <Toadstool> hey everybody
[06:13] <CarlFK> how is that worse than relying on someone else ?
[06:18] <dholbach> who uploaded ajaxterm?
[06:21] <thom> CarlFK: what?
[06:24] <CarlFK> ok, lets start over only addressing the specific situation: I asked Stani "would you mind adding the debian/ dir to your svn repo?" and he said "How could I as an Ubuntu User myself? Where do you suggest. "
[06:24] <CarlFK> so I am trying to figure out what to tell him
[06:25] <thom> i'd tell him not to bother, personally
[06:26] <CarlFK> shouldn't that reply include some reason?
[06:26] <thom> haven't you been provided with enough reason over the last twelve hours?
[06:28] <CarlFK> the closest thing I have seen to a reason is  "it's bad, unless <something unclear>"
[06:28] <CarlFK> so no.
[06:30] <azeem> well, then include no reason
[06:32] <CarlFK> I am thinking I am being confused with someone that has the same question 12 hours ago
[06:33] <CarlFK> given that I am not convinced, that it is bad, and there for not convinced I should not deter him from adding debian/  -  who would it hurt if he did?
[06:34] <thom> the poor souls who have to maintain the packages
[06:35] <CarlFK> packages plural - so packages other than spe?
[06:35] <thom> i am speaking generally. i do not know or care what spe is
[06:36] <CarlFK> ah - so you are ignoring my "addressing the specific situation" requeest
[06:36] <azeem> no, it is wrong in any case
[06:36] <thom> i don't see why you think it makes any odds
[06:36] <thom> it is wrong *always*
[06:36] <azeem> or maybe s/wrong/heavily discouraged/
[06:37] <thom> unless you are both upstream and packaging it
[06:37] <CarlFK> (09:48:58 AM) thom: CarlFK: that's only the case when the person pushing the package into debian/ubuntu has access ot that source control to keep the two in sync
[06:37] <thom> and even then, don't do it
[06:37] <CarlFK> that and your current unless" is why I think
[06:37] <azeem> thom: it's wrong even then IMHO, unless it is Ubuntu (or Debian) specific as well
[06:37] <thom> yep
[06:37] <azeem> CarlFK: ok
[06:37] <azeem> CarlFK: 1. is this a ubuntu specific package?
[06:38] <azeem> 2. is that guy in a situation to maintain it in ubuntu?
[06:38] <CarlFK> 1, no.  2. yes
[06:38] <azeem> if both questions can be answered with 'yes', it would be right, otherwise no
[06:38] <thom> where 2 means "will he be uploading it to ubuntu"
[06:40] <CarlFK> that's not how I understood 2.  azeem - what do you mean by "maintain it in ubuntu?"
[06:43] <azeem> CarlFK: well, it's no to 1, so why bother about 2?
[06:44] <pirast> can a motu have a look at bug 38093?
[06:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38093 in enigmail-locales "[SYNC]  [UNMETDEPS]  engmail-locales has unmet dependencies" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38093
[06:44] <CarlFK> because I pushed a question about 1 onto my stack
[06:44] <CarlFK> which is: why does #1 matter?
[07:28] <Sp4rKy> hi motus
[07:42] <siretart> dholbach: okay, I just finished a successfull (but somehwat basic) installation with FAI 3.1
[07:43] <siretart> dholbach: this consists of 2 packages: fai-kernels, which hold install kernels which do nfsroot, and fai itself, which has scripts to setup an nfsroot and do the installation stuff
[07:43] <siretart> dholbach: do you insist on a full report for that?
[07:44] <dholbach> i suppose the changes are quite big, hm?
[07:44] <dholbach> which kernels does it install?
[07:46] <siretart> dholbach: the package itself just contains kernel configs. it  depends on linux-source-2.6.17 and kernel-package to create a binary package, which itself contains the kernel images
[07:47] <siretart> so no source is duplicated
[07:47] <dholbach> sounds like good work
[07:47] <siretart> upstream is working on making that fai-kernels unnecessary by using initramfs-tools, but that currently breaks fai-cd
[07:47] <dholbach> alright
[07:47] <dholbach> I don't think we need a full report for that
[07:48] <siretart> I think as well, but I wanted confirmation for my 'extrawurst' ;)
[07:48] <dholbach> hehe
[07:48] <dholbach> thanks for working on it
[07:48] <siretart> :)
[07:48] <hub> what is FAI?
[07:48] <siretart> the problem is that I cannot make a working ppc kernel config
[07:49] <siretart> because I don't have access to a ppc machine
[07:49] <siretart> hub: apt-cache show fai
[07:49] <siretart> hub: apt-cache show fai-server
[07:49] <hub> ah
[07:54] <siretart> I need to leave now, but if anyone has access to ppc hardware, please try to make a kernel config for ubuntu's linux-source-2.6.17 based on this config: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/fai/people/siretart/fai-kernels-ubuntu/kernel-config-2.6.powerpc?op=file&rev=0&sc=0
[07:55] <siretart> and send that to me
[07:55] <siretart> basically the work is in loading that config, and checking that nfsv4 and nfsroot is checked
[08:56] <lophyte> !seen superm1
[08:56] <ubotu> I last saw superm1 (n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1) 1d 11h 32m 20s ago, quiting: "See you in /dev/null"
[08:56] <zul> !seem zul
[08:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seem zul - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:15] <Q-FUNK> *sigh*
[09:18] <Burgwork> Q-FUNK: ?
[09:20] <Q-FUNK> nvm
[09:20] <Q-FUNK> some really sily report over what doesn't even remotely constitute a wishlist item and a user who wants to play bug reopening. :(
[10:45] <lophyte> !seen superm1
[10:45] <ubotu> I last saw superm1 (n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1) 1d 13h 21m 39s ago, quiting: "See you in /dev/null"
[11:02] <cbx33> not long till I become a proper MOTU - my key is almost signed ;)
[11:10] <crimsun> "proper"? You already have upload privs to universe.
[11:37] <superm1> I notice in universe there are a few packages of actual firmware files included.  What sort of work would be required to get a piece of proprietary firmware included?  Approval from the company to host it in an archive on universe?
[11:39] <ajmitch> universe or multiverse?
[11:40] <superm1> Well at this point either would suffice
[11:40] <superm1> I'd say multiverse probably
[11:40] <ajmitch> at the very least it needs to be freely redistributable by anyone, not just ubuntu
[11:40] <ajmitch> to get into multiverse
[11:40] <superm1> Well redistributable in the sense that it's allowed to legally be hosted by anyone?
[11:41] <ajmitch> not just hosted, but the license must say that it can be distributed
[11:41] <ajmitch> pretty much equivalent
[11:41] <superm1> Ok. i'll have to check the license shipped with it.  What if the license doesn't indicate this, but I can get explicit permission from the company?
[11:42] <ajmitch> you probably can, as long as they're willing to grant it for all, not ubuntu as a special case
[11:43] <chillywilly> is it time to go home yet?
[11:43] <superm1> I'll email them and see whats said then. Thanks
[11:44] <ajmitch> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing
[11:58] <sandrinah> Woud you know some link to documentation about how to generate new pdiff/DiffIndex into debian repos? I maintain a Debian repo, and i am interested in introducing new diff feature....