[01:19] <CarlFK> duh?
[06:14] <mpathy> Hi.. Is there some kind of release announcement for the 6.10 Ubuntu-Server?
[06:15] <infinity> I doubt it, since it's not been released.
[06:15] <infinity> (edgy isn't released yet)
[06:18] <mpathy> Yes, but something already prepared like at Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[06:29] <infinity> Nah, we didn't do an announce for the RC.
[06:29] <infinity> It was released, though.  Same directory.
[06:30] <infinity> Feel free to test it.
[06:30] <infinity> And report bugs to me. :)
[06:30] <infinity> Don't expect any stellar changes or cool new stuff.  -server got very little love this cycle, as I expect any sane server admins to keep running dapper.
[06:36] <mpathy> THAT would be an information for a Release Announcement :P ;)
[06:37] <infinity> The final release announcement will include an encouragement for people to consider keeping dapper, due to the 5 years' support and months we spent stabilising it, yes.
[06:38] <infinity> The RC announcement already said something like that for the desktop users, though not all that strongly-worded.
[06:38] <mpathy> okay ;) its because I set up a new server end of the month so I thought about using edgy but okay, I'll use dapper ;)
[06:38] <infinity> But we are generally encouraging anyone who needs long term support and solid stability to shy away from edgy.  It was meant to be a "fun" "break the world" release, not something to base an enterprise network on.
[06:41] <mpathy> perhaps it should be considerd to release ubuntu-server online on LTR ;)
[06:42] <mpathy> -online +only
[06:45] <infinity> It's always online-only, we don't ship -server CDs in shipit.
[06:45] <infinity> Or if we do, that new and I'm not aware of it.
[06:45] <infinity> s/that/that's/
[06:53] <mpathy> infinity: I meant only not online sorry
[06:53] <mpathy> I meant server editions only at LTRs
[07:02] <infinity> Oh, I see what you mean.
[07:02] <infinity> No, we'll continue to release it with regular Ubuntu releases, but I will make sure the release announcement has some wording to encourage people to stick with dapper unless they really want/need edgy.
[07:02] <infinity> (Which they might for hardware support, if nothing else)
[07:11] <Znuff> Hello. How does one exactly install ubuntu-server? provided that it has the ubuntu 6.06 cd image?
[07:14] <infinity> Well, one would assume you have the ubuntu-server ISO, not the plain ubuntu one?
[07:14] <infinity> If not, then go back to step 1. :)
[07:14] <Znuff> that's a flaw
[07:15] <Znuff> I always thought it's actually the same platform, but without -desktop packages 
[07:15] <Znuff> guess I was wrong
[07:16] <infinity> It is the same, but the installation media is different.
[07:16] <infinity> Mainly to install different kernels, and ship different package sets.
[07:16] <infinity> You can, however, do a no-frills install from an ubuntu alternate CD, then swap kernels, and you're pretty much there.
[07:17] <infinity> You can't even hope to do a server install from the desktop/live CD (the one we ship with shipit), because its installer isn't really bright enough to make that happen.
[07:17] <Znuff> was actually trying to take "downloading another iso" out of the ecuation
[07:17] <porkpie> hi guy's  ... just tried the latest release /ubuntu-6.10-rc-server-amd64.iso on a Dell Poweredge 1950  The install now see's the logical drive and installs but on reboot it hangs loading the kernel and I get Alert! /dev/sda1 doesn't exist Dropping into shell  
[07:18] <Znuff> infinity, and I'm reading that there are issues with already-set-up lvm groups?!
[07:18] <infinity> porkpie: Are we missing a driver in the initrd, maybe?
[07:18] <porkpie> infinity:how can I check
[07:19] <infinity> porkpie: After the install, but before the reboot, you can check to see which driver is being used. (at another virtual console in the installer)
[07:19] <infinity> Then check to see if we're actually including it in the initramfs when it drops you to a shell. :)
[07:20] <porkpie> infinity:I am in the initramfs shell now
[07:20] <porkpie> it should include the megaraid_sas driver
[07:20] <infinity> As a general rule, if the installer works, but the installed system claims not to find your root drive, we either have a subtle bug somewhere that'll be a pain to find, or we're missing a driver.  The latter is far more likely (and far easier to fix)
[07:20] <infinity> porkpie: cat /proc/modules and see if it's loaded.
[07:20] <infinity> porkpie: If not, try to modprobe it manually, and see if it exists.
[07:21] <infinity> porkpie: If it exists but isn't being loaded, we have a problem.  If it doesn't exist at all, we have a different problem.  If it's loaded but not working, problem number 3.
[07:21] <infinity> Find out which problem it is, and then we'll talk.
[07:22] <Znuff> infinity, regarding the "known issue" with already set-up lvm groups in the desktop cd... does the bug still exist in the server cd?
[07:22] <porkpie> infinity:sorry what the syntax for modeprobe ...I normally use FreeBSD  :(
[07:22] <infinity> Znuff: No, the desktop CD's partitioner is defficient.  The server CD uses debian-installer, which is much more robust.
[07:22] <infinity> porkpie: modprobe megaraid_sas
[07:22] <Znuff> then I guess I'm ok
[07:23] <porkpie> infinity:module megaraid_sas not found
[07:23] <Znuff> damn this will be a pain in the ass, download at 55k/s =( of all these days the FO could break... 
[07:23] <infinity> porkpie: A quick glance here looks like we're just missing the module.
[07:24] <infinity> porkpie: Yeah.  So, simple fix.
[07:25] <infinity> porkpie: You can boot the CD in recovery mode, mount your root partition, chroot to it, then "echo 'megaraid_sas' >> /etc/initramfs-tools/modules" and "update-initramfs -u"
[07:25] <infinity> porkpie: Then you should be able to boot fine.
[07:25] <infinity> porkpie: If that works, tell me, and I'll add it to the SCSI module list (so no one else has to do that hack)
[07:25] <porkpie> infinity:just doing it .....I have done that so many times
[07:26] <porkpie> infinity:it also not seeing the network interfaces either
[07:26] <porkpie> bnx2 drivers
[07:26] <infinity> The installer isn't?
[07:26] <porkpie> yeah the installer
[07:26] <infinity> Curious.
[07:27] <infinity> I don't know much about that driver, mind you.
[07:29] <porkpie> infinity:do I use chroot /target
[07:31] <porkpie> infinity:hmm! it will not let me add the module
[07:34] <porkpie> infinity:ok JUST REBOOTING
[07:37] <Znuff> infinity, ubuntu uses mysql4 or 5?
[07:40] <infinity> Znuff: 5.
[07:40] <Znuff> oh, then no change to the format of backup is needed
[07:41] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ apt-cache show mysql-server | grep ^Depends
[07:41] <infinity> Depends: mysql-server-5.0
[07:43] <porkpie> infinity:It has booted now and I have got the interface up and have ran the apt-get update.  I am now trying to install ssh but it keeps looking for the cdrom ...also gedit is coming back with commad not found
[07:44] <infinity> porkpie: Okay, we're well in the realm of "support questions" now. :)
[07:45] <infinity> If it's looking for the CD-ROM, and you don't like that, remove the cdrom entry from /etc/apt/sources.list, and gedit better not be found, since it's a GUI app, and ubuntu-server doesn't install X.
[07:46] <Znuff> so, I've backed up sql, /etc, named, and now files
[07:46] <Znuff> anywhere I should look for something else?
[08:42] <KurtKraut> How can I run an identd ?
[08:43] <KurtKraut> I've installed nullidentd and properly set in /etc/inetd.conf but I have no clue how it should be runned.
[08:43] <infinity> If it runs from inetd, you don't need to "run" it at all.
[08:43] <infinity> inetd will spawn it when connection attempts come in.
[08:44] <KurtKraut> infinity, when I run xchat and connect to freenode for instance it never gets my id.
[08:44] <KurtKraut> the same for all IRC networks.
[08:44] <KurtKraut> So I suppose it does not run when it should run
[08:52] <mpathy> does debbootstrap and cdebootstrap work now as it worked on Debian - but for Ubuntu?
[08:52] <mpathy> (sorry for my weird english *g*)
[08:52] <KurtKraut> anyone has any clue how I can configure a identd to reply to IRC servers ?
[11:14] <Ries> are there any lvm2 configuration tools?
[11:17] <Znuff> "lvm" perhaps?
[11:23] <Ries> Znuff: yeaa just found it ...stupid me
[11:23] <Ries> I just did add this line to my fstab: /dev/vg1/lv1    /opt            xfs     defaults,errors=remount-ro      0       1       
[11:23] <Ries> I also see soem stuff about uuid.... I never seen that :)
[11:23] <Znuff> Ries, read up on the LVM howto at tldp.org
[11:23] <Ries> Znuff: it's working already... and xfs is install on top of lvm..
[11:24] <Znuff> I'm taking care of LVM these days too
[11:24] <Ries> what is the uuid about and do I need it?
[11:24] <Znuff> no, you don't
[11:25] <Ries> is the uuid ubuntu specific, or is it used anywehre else?
[11:26] <ChaosFan> Ries: that's the "new and intuitive way" ;)
[11:26] <ChaosFan> of adressing devices
[11:26] <Ries> ChaosFan: is it a do or don't ?
[11:26] <Ries> at teh current point?
[11:26] <ChaosFan> it wants to become a do
[11:26] <ChaosFan> i personally don't like it
[11:26] <Znuff> it's interesting, anyway :P
[11:26] <Znuff> uuids are too long =/
[11:26] <ChaosFan> exactly ;)
[11:27] <Znuff> mounting the partition/disk wherever on the bus is located sounds nice for me
[11:27] <Ries> hahah... ok, I think I can leave it for now
[11:27] <Ries> since I don't see myself moving drives...
[11:28] <Znuff> I mean, I don't think there's another usefull thing for UUIDs, or am I wrong?
[11:28] <ChaosFan> Znuff: when i saw the first uuid i decided for myself not to use it or investigate on its uses until i'm forced to ;)
[11:29] <Ries> I think you can use a label aswell
[11:30] <Znuff> I never set labels
[11:31] <Ries> never seen it :s
[11:32] <Znuff> installers usually set labels :)